The Iced Coffee Hour - Life After Breaking Bad: Walt Jr. Exposes The Dark Side Of Child Acting, Money, & Greed | RJ Mitte

Episode Date: November 2, 2025

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Visit edc.ca to learn more. Did you know how big of a deal it was going to be? No. No. My mother would tell me so many stories about my father. Breaking Bad changed my life in a great way. It was a dream come true. But it also showed me how dark this industry can really be.

How have you seen money corrupt people in Hollywood? People will sacrifice who they are for money, for clout, for whatever that is. When you have someone that desperately needs it, willing to do anything, that's where you get into a very dangerous scenario of power. It was just one of those days. You get a letter and it's like, your heart drops. I trusted them and they basically stole every time. And because of that, I paid more in taxes than I got from breaking bad. Were these like Hollywood elites? Were these people that people would know? Arj, thank you so much for coming on the ice coffee hour.

Dude, such a pleasure to be here. appreciate it, man. You seem very well adjusted. Why do you think so many child actors end up going off the rails or having difficulty later in life? So I started when I was 12.

I was doing like extra work and stuff like that and, you know, living in, the industry's very different, but living in California and, you know, when you're hot, you're hot and you're not, you're not. And when you're a young kid and you're easily influenced and, you know, It's the stars.

It's the people. It's like it's glitz and glamour and all these things. And, you know, you don't, I find you don't see like the force through the trees, right? And, you know, you hear a lot about drug abuse and a lot of, like, drug activity and kids getting into stuff young and then affecting them and they come out later in life. And when you're popular, it's free, right? Everyone's like people offer me stuff all the time. I'm like, I'm good on that.

I've seen enough problems. I don't need any problems. Who is offering you stuff? Random. Random people. Like Hollywood just. I was speaking at university and, and you know, with Breaking Bad with the drug content, people are like always talking about different types of drugs.

And, like, different types of comments. And it's there. Like, you know, like, you don't have to look very far anywhere in the world to find these types of entities that will be offering or trying to sell and trying to hook. And, you know, for, for years, it's like people will be like, here you go. Here's free drinks. I mean, look at every event that you'll go to, like at clubs and parties. It's all open bar. So imagine young kids are going to open bars.

They're hot. They just want an Emmy. They just want an Oscar. They just, whatever it is. and like no one's no one's really protecting them because they're a star they don't need protection and let's go fast forward 10 years well the bar's not open anymore so now you have people that have been partying and living a certain life for so long and you everyone fades out over time you know you can't be on you can't be at the top of the mountain forever and it's a long way down

from the top. And so you've lived this lifestyle for so long, you know, that's where you see people that are making a lot of money and their bills get bigger and bigger and bigger. And then the money stops. And then it's like, everything's gone. And there's no protection in that. There's no one saying like, hey, slow down. Like it's like, no, you got to keep going. You got to make that check. You got to get out there and keep pushing until one day you either, I say pressure is great for making. diamonds, but it also can make rubble and it can destroy people. And I just think you can't always keep pushing hard. You got to take time for yourself. What was the closest you got to falling into that pressure? I don't really like, you know, I grew up in a weird environment where I was very

family-oriented at a young age. So, so like I would like to go out and I like to go out and have fun. but my responsibilities have kind of always overshadowed what I want to go have fun versus me having a greater responsibility and the consequences. Everything I do, I look at, all right, cause and effect, what is the consequence to my action? Is it a positive consequence or is it a negative consequence? And I think throughout my life, I've had very different. like positive influences and negative influences. But I've always saw the aftermath in different capacities.

And I think it's really just about, you know, staying true to who you are. And, you know, going to the parties, going to the Hollywood stuff, it's cool, but, but like, it wears on you. And you just can't do it forever. What do you think should be done for child actors in the future to prevent them from falling into that? I mean, there's not really a way to prevent people from living life. Like, you know, you, as I'm not a parent yet, but I have many friends who are parents, and I've raised my sister in a capacity and take care of my family.

And, you know, I think it's, we always want the best for our children. And I think it's, it's think of their needs before your own, and especially when it comes to an industry where it's very predatory. like the entertainment industry i mean you can go back and look at history on it it's not the kindest business and it's not a very forgiving business and i think it's about staying true to who you are instilling in your children instilling in your in your team that's like hey like these are the these are not the avenues you want to go and using previous examples of look at what happened when they did these things, do you want to be like that?

You know, it's like, do you want to be like your uncle? Like, do you want to be like this? And it's like, you know, again, when you're at the top of it, no one's telling you these things. No one's like, no one's encouraging you to be good. They want you to be out there. They want this is nationalism. And I think it's about, you know, saying like,

it's like you don't have to get out there to be whatever it is. They think you are as long as you stay true to yourself. And I think that kind of will protect you. Did you see the Charlie Sheen documentary? I haven't but I want to. Oh my gosh, I just started it. He was able to hide a lot of this stuff. A lot of his usage, you would have no idea.

And he would just go to such an extreme, but he was able to get his work done, which is the most mind-boggling thing about it. And that's all they care about, really. It's like, are you showing up to time on work? Are you saying your lines? Are you hitting your marks? And that consistency, people can hide their problems outside of that.

Like drug abuse is such a rampant issue. And like it happens under people's noses all the time. Like with Breaking Bad, I did work with the DEA and we had different enforcements and educational type structures in the show on like what these things, what bees are. And people hide it really well. Some of your closest friends and family that you would never guess might, you know. I know it's really common or more common than one would think in like investment banking and private equity.

Like people are doing a lot of like C-O-C-A-I-N-E in that industry as well as other like crazy, crazy drugs. And those are high performers. Those are people that working like 80 to 100 hour weeks. Well, that's why they're doing those substances. Like that's why you'll see a lot of that. I mean, look at Wolf of Wall Street. You know, look at these types of investment movies and shows where it's like they have that high pressure, high stress, where they're putting, you know, 24-hour days and, like, taking

clients out. And, and it's, it's the game, you know, the game of, the game of whatever they're trying to play. And it's wild. It's out there. The stuff's out there. But if you're smart about it and you just kind of mind your own business and don't tattle, like, be like, I'm not involved, but you do what you want? Like, what was the. main reason you wanted to get into acting? I started acting to meet kids my own age. So my sister got cast out of a water park when she was one and a half years old.

And that took us to California. It was for a Luso ball campaign. And I was around 11, 12. My mom, right after my sister was born, was in a car accident and was partially paralyzed for about seven years. and my grandparents were both sick one living in Texas one in Louisiana and so we were traveling between the two a lot and this was kind of an opportunity for us to have a vacation you know this this job that my sister got as a baby

was a six-month run at universal and we're like yeah let's do this thing it's a six-month paid vacation and I just was with them and was like, okay, I guess I'm going to try doing it as well, and I started doing extra work. And I was on shows like Hannah Montana, I hate Chris, weed, Seventh Heaven, drill bit Taylor, as an extra. And that's the one thing that, like, I recommend to people is if they want to get in the entertainment industry, especially acting, extra work is like my number one step to getting into it. because you're going to find out if you like it or not.

If you can handle being an extra, you can handle all the other stuff. There's a lot of people that can't handle the extra work because, like, they don't always treat you right. It's super long hours. And, you know, you're low men on the totem pole. They could be like, you know, you're a disruption. Never come back.

And so I just started doing that to meet kids my own age and was auditioning as well for other shows. Actually, my very first audition was an anti-meth campaign. No. The state of California. And I didn't get it, of course. What do they have you say? Well, it wasn't really having me say anything.

The commercial aired. I saw the commercial many, many years ago. You could probably find on YouTube. But it's this guy that comes in high on meth. And I auditioned for one of the kids, the family, right? There's like a mom and two kids and the dad comes in high on meth

and like screaming and throwing things and it was just like us being afraid and I didn't get it. I didn't get the audition. But about six months to a year later I started auditioning for Breaking Bad and that changed my life. So who gave you the script for this?

So I was auditioning through my agent and my manager at the time just in general, and Breaking Bad came along, specifically seeking people with disabilities. And what was funny is, at the time, I didn't, like, you know, there were certain auditions I would send in my resume

that had cerebral palsy on it, and they're more often than not, the ones that did not say that I had a disability on my resume. And this one specifically came in, looking for song with cerebral palsy. And at the time, there wasn't really a lot of us in the media.

You know, there wasn't really a lot of diversification as far as people with disabilities. And so they really wanted song with disability. And Sharon Barley, the casting director for Breaking Bad, who had already cast Brian, Aaron, Betsy. The whole family was cast, except for me. I was the very, well, Walt Jr. was the very last cast.

part and so I auditioned over six months. And my last two auditions were I auditioned in LA. They're like, hey, so they like you. You're moving on. They're already filming in New Mexico the show at the time in Albuquerque. So we're going to fly you to New Mexico to meet the team there to audition for Vince in person, as well as do a test screening with Brian and Anna. And I literally They flew in, got in at like 6, 7 the morning, auditioned at 9. They sent me away. It was against one other person at the time. It was narrowed down between the two of us.

And they called me back in for a test screening. And then they were like, okay, thank you. I met Brian and Anna. They sent me to my room, and I went to bed. I had a flight at like 2 o'clock that day. They called me. Vince calls me and goes, hey, so you got the part. Congratulations.

Go pack your bags because you're already late. We're already filming, so we need you back here. Did you know how big of a deal it was going to be? And at what point did you realize, oh, like, this is going to be one of the biggest shows of all time? You know, we knew we had something special. Like, we knew the show was like, when you read the script, I recommend people all the time, like, read the pilot. If you're going to be in the industry at all, read the pilot episode, Breaking Bad, because that is, in my opinion,

one of the best written episodes, movie, whatever you want to consider it. Because I consider it more of a movie than a show that, that pilot episode, because there's this beginning, middle, and end. And when you read it, it just leaves you with this, like, what moment? And, again, we knew it was special, but you just don't know. And Breaking Bad was not liked in the beginning.

Like, how long did you think that the show was going to be? Did they fully write out the entirety of the show in the beginning, or did they write it as they were filming? You know, every season kind of was written as the seasons progressed. We had an amazing writing team, you know, Vince Gilligan, Peter Goal, and so many other amazing writings. Like, a lot of them still work together, you know, with Belder Carlisle and El Camino.

But it was kind of one of those things that we We could kind of see where it was going, but we really didn't You know, at any moment something could happen to these characters And they felt very real and organic And in the scenes, everything just kind of made sense But we got the, you know, as the series went on later and later They had to be careful with the scripts. People were leaking in the beginning

everyone got a script. Towards the end, you got your parts. So a lot of times you didn't really know, you know, Brian and Aaron, they knew because they were in every scene. But we really just didn't know. So you wouldn't get the entire script? At the last two seasons,

that we didn't get the entire scripts. What would you say was the pivotal moment of the show where it went from something that wasn't very well liked to something that was like, okay, everyone is obsessing over this? I think Netflix. I think Netflix really put Breaking Bad on the map as far as just accessibility to the show.

That's when I found it. Yeah. You know, we were actually one of the most pirated shows in the history of television, huge in Eastern Europe. Wow. Huh, who would I think, right? It's funny. It's funny you mention that.

I read something that said that after Breaking Bad, meth quality actually went up? I would believe that. I would definitely, I would, I mean, I don't condone in that as bad drug, but hopefully it's better products for people. No, you know, I think it really spotlighted, you know, this form of drug abuse in communities. You know, in the early 2000s, meth was kind of more of like out in the woods. No one's doing meth.

It's these far away places. And in reality, it's in our backyard. And I think it really, breaking bad, really opened the doors on the awareness of methamphetamine in our communities. And, you know, some people really thought that we were glorifying it in the beginning, that we were promoting it. And if you really watch the show, it doesn't end well for Walter White. Like, it really destroys his whole entire family. And I think it's something that really was an eye-opener for many people. And really quick, before we go on to that, in business, they say that you could have better, cheaper, or faster, but you could only pick two.

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Dude, 16-hour days. Like, like, we were sometimes shooting six, seven days a week, two-man teams. one time our film got run over by an airplane. Yeah, and leaving studio, because we shot on film. We were one of the last series and shows, I guess, to shoot on film, 35 millimeter. And so we would film, and that's what really, when it comes to like time restrictions and pressure on set, we have finite amount of film. You know, some of these film rolls, you're talking like 250,000. thousand dollars, seventy five thousand dollars just for like the roles of these films and uh one day

it was being shipped because because we had albuquerque being you know one of the main bases for us but we also had the the editing studios in california and so we would have to send those to california and apparently one day some of them got left out and a plane ran over them and we had to reshoot that whole i don't know how many days it was But that was a nightmare. And we were running camera teams A and B and trying to make it up to get back on top of the schedule. How do you memorize your lines? I have a couple of different ways to memorize lines, and I think it's different for everyone.

I say lines rhythmically, you know. I kind of, when I talk and when I'm reading my line, reading my lines, I read them in a rhythm. And so it gives you the basis of kind of what they're saying. And then I sleep on it. I read my lines the night before of when I'm doing that next day. And I go to sleep on those lines. And so I kind of believe that when you read at the end of the night, whatever you're reading, it soaks in your brain more. You know, you sometimes like, I'll sometimes run my lines in my dreams. And I find it helps it be more organic. What was the most difficult line for you to present? See, in Breaking Bad, none, man, because it was so well written. Like, Breaking Bad was, oddly, one of the easiest jobs I've ever had in the sense of just quality. And when you've set a line, it made sense.

Like, I've done some movies and stuff where I'm really, reading and I got big monologues and I'm like, man, how am I supposed to say this? And they're like, yeah, you just say it. And I'm like, you say it and they can't. But let's just say you get like two paragraphs. Yeah. Do they want it to be said verbatim like word for word or do they say just get this point across and how you do it, we don't care? It depends on the director. Depends on the writer and it depends on the director. Sometimes they want you to say what they wrote. Like, like, every writer does not want you to ad-lib. Any, any writer that's very proud of their work, they're definitely not going to want you to ad-lib. But as far as, like, with Breaking Bad and in some other projects, if the ad-lib makes sense, or, like, you know, the,

in the pilot episode, the do I look like a skater stuff, some of that was ad-lived, and it worked. but when it came down to like a lot of it, you did what they put on the page. But again, with Breaking Bad, it was so well written, like the lines, the movement even, the environment, like on the page. So when you read it, you saw it.

There was no question about it. Was there any impromptu lines or impromptu things that just kind of happened that ended up making it into the show that were a fan favorite? I always think about this one clip I see all the time. I think it's Tom Holland, and Robert Downey Jr.

And they were in the back of a car and they were filming a scene for Avengers or something. And Tom Holland like, or Robert Downey Jr. goes to like assist Tom with like opening up the car door or something. And then Tom thinks he's going in for a hug and so he hugs him. And it's like super, super awkward.

And then they just rolled with it and it was like a fan favorite. And you could see like the natural reaction of... The cohesiveness. Yeah. Yeah. No. There was lots of different moments like that.

And I think a lot of, of it was pausing. Like a lot of it was looks on the show. It was more of like just like a look that you would give. And, um, you know, nothing's sticking out, but I think one of the things I always sticks out that's a fan favorite, um, is the pizza on the roof. That was a one and done because they tried to recreate it and it didn't happen again. Uh, have you seen the videos of the lady coming out of the house yelling at people? What do you think of that? I think when you have one of the, the most famous houses in the world and definitely one of the most infamous houses in the state of New Mexico. It comes with a responsibility and it comes with accountability and I think you kind of have to

to, you know, have some leeway with it. I knew the lady that owns the house now. I knew her parents really well. And, you know, during breaking bad in the beginning, you know, they got at the show in they got much older, and people were breaking into their house. They were waking up finding people in their living room. It wasn't just like people going, people were trying to get into the house, and that's why they raised the fence. Sadly, it just keeps, you know, escalating. And I think she's trying to sell it at the moment.

Yeah, she's asking $3.9 million. See, that just seems like she doesn't care that much about the attention. Because if she really cared, she would sell it at market or even a little bit above market. She said that it was her family's house. It's been in the family for a long time. You just can't sell it. But if she were to sell it, she must $4 million. It seems people are speculating online that she does actually enjoy the attention a little bit.

I don't know how true that is. Because she goes and yells at everybody. I think she does. I think it does give her purpose a little. You know, again, it's a fine line. Like, she's nice to me. Do you talk to her? We saw her, we saw her, we were just in New Mexico

Not too long ago, and we saw her And so, like, because like Did you hit her up? No, no, it was just, you know, it's Albuquerque Do you just show up to the house? No, no, no, I, back in the day Because I was really close to the family Because we spent a lot of time there

But like people all think that the inside Is what this inside of the show looks like And it's not We shot all the interior, most of the interior Like on a soundstage. thing about the house is the exterior in the backyard. But like,

yeah, I'm not going to touch that with a 10 foot full, man. I think like, you know, maybe 2 million? A mill and a half. What makes so much money giving tours of the house? Someone can pay a lot of money to go up on the roof to try to find a little bit of pizza and sell that. Airbnb would be

crazy it, even like 1,500 and nights. It's not the same inside of it. It doesn't matter. Just to be able to stay at the house? To be able to stay at the house, people would pay... I would pay $1,500. I think that would be the smart. I agree. I agree with that, but like, I think it would take a lot of infrastructure. Would you buy the house? Oh, yeah. How much would you pay? Not four mil, I'll tell you that. I mean, so everything in that house value is around 350. I've, you know, I've looked at this estimate. Yeah, I've looked at the numbers. So my number for the house, the actual number that I've come up with,

I think Walter White, the White House value, I'm thinking 1.2. Just out of names, out of, like, the environment. But, like, if the neighborhood's nice, but it's not a $4 million, nice neighborhood. You know what I mean? You can't have that. You're going to destroy the market in that community. But here's the thing. She putting it up at that price gets a lot of publicity because I saw that listing went up.

It was on the front page of Yahoo and CNN and all these places, the Breaking Bad Houses for sale. asking four million bucks. It drives a lot of people to go and just take a look at it again. But there's a fence, though, man. That's my thing is I wish, like, the city of Albuquerque or, like, the state would, you know, redo it. You know, she put up the fence. They've done a lot of remodeling. It's not the same house.

But I wish whatever, like, the state or someone would come in and bring it back to what it originally was. Because it was a great house. And, you know, it really means a lot to a lot. fans and I think the impact that that breaking bad has had on the city in New Mexico you know there has been positive aspects there's been negative aspects but there's also been many positive aspects I think yeah Brian Cranston should buy it if anyone could buy it Brian could probably buy it there's a Simpsons house in Vegas you know that really yeah what do you mean Simpson's house it's the house that was identical to the Simpsons it was either the Simpsons was based on this

house or this house was created to be identical to the Simpson's house. And you could drive by it. I had no idea. Yes. That's really cool. Yes. And it looks almost identical to the real Simpson's house. See, the question is, how many people try to break into it, though?

Nobody breaks into it as far as I'm aware. But it does become a bit of a tourist attraction where you could go and look at the Simpsons house in Las Vegas. That's pretty safe. I think I've seen it on Instagram. There's a lot of, you know, I think what they've done, like, you know, the Sopranos home. Yeah.

And, you know, Beverly Hills, like the houses in, like, First Prince of Belaire and stuff like that, I find these are like staples of television history. And I think when a house gets to that point, there should be some form of historical preservation. You know what? You're right, because the Home Alone house, they were asking $5.9 million. And I actually thought objectively it was a good deal. The Brady Bunch House, I remember when that got listed, they got like a lot.

100 offers on this house. And it sold way over asking, I believe, to HGTV, because they were going to do something with it. But their other bidder was either from, like, in sync or backstreet boys. Like, it was some musical artist who was, like, bidding against HGTV to buy the Brady Bunch House. But it's a one-of-a-kind house.

See, that's the thing. It's you're not necessarily buying the property. You're buying the history. Like, you know, I do a lot of work with historical preservation and restoring history. historical stuff in Texas. And, you know, it's, it's one of those things that, that, you know, 100 years, 50 years will go, being generous with 100, 50 years will go by and these, like, people will still go visit

these iconic locations. And it carries over. And so I think that's what your, that's what the number is, is the history. I'm telling you, we could make a fortune. If we go 50, 50 on this house, do Airbnb on it, but you promote. the house. That would do so well. Like 80-20.

Like, yeah. 80-20. There's got to be some component of you marketing the house, but I honestly think as an Airbnb, it would do insane numbers. Someone has to plug the cash flow on this because at a certain price, you could overpay for it and make your money back in the first year. Graham, you're giving away some sauce, right? I mean, someone's going to do this.

No one. No one's going to do it. That's what I'm saying. If we did it. I mean... It would do so well. I'll keep an eye on it. I think it would do well.

I think it would be more than a year to get your capital, especially... No, but just the amount you overpay. I'm saying if it's worth 1.2 and you pay like 1.5, let's just say. You make your money back. You whittle it down. I think you're probably going to make it back

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Minimum, because it was my very first speaking job ever. Like, ever. So I got the regular SAG minimum for it. I heard, or I was researching online. We did not have a lot of money. Like, Breaking Bad was not, like, very lucrative as far as, like, um, across the board. Every season, we were told that we were canceled.

We just did not have the viewership until streaming, you know, that was, again, that was our big moment was when streaming came in and people binge viewed Breaking Bad. But up until that point, it was a struggle every year. And Vince and the writing team, they fought. And a gentleman who worked at AMC at the time named Charlie Cawyer, and he really fought to keep Breaking Bad on AMC. Like, it was a battle. So I read online it was $250 for the pilot.

Like, for who? For you? 250. Was it just for the pilots? Yeah, I read something online. And again, this is online. No, it was either like a Wikipedia or like. The basic sad.

sag recurring scale. I don't, I don't, trust me, it wasn't much. It's crazy to me. Do you get residuals though on streaming? Because I thought that was the big, No, it doesn't exist anymore. Like that's been a big issue over the past decade in our industry, especially with older actors.

You know, the streaming services, you don't really get your residuals. And your residuals, once you get older, your residuals are pretty much what keeps your insurance. and it's alive, like once you can't work anymore. And so, so like it's a very niche industry, you know. I've seen like, you know, how these types of interviews work and how the new media structure works.

As far as like television and film, you know, streaming is good for the networks themselves, but as far for the artists, you're kind of getting the minimum. You get more reach. You can make a name for yourself, but it's not like it used to be. So when they took it from TV to Netflix, you didn't see a huge skyrocket and income despite the show being viewed more times than ever. No, you get one check in, you're like, catch you in nine years.

And like that check is like, oh, I mean, I'm not saying that they weren't paying people on Breaking Bad, but like I was the youngest kid on this show. You know what I mean? It was my very first role. So what could happen if you're like six seasons in or five seasons into Breaking Bad? And you're just like, I'm done. What are, like, are you contractually obligated to keep going for as long as they want you to go? Or, like, what happens if you just want to step back?

Well, with a show like Breaking Die, you usually die. They write it in. But then sometimes they revisit it, like, in Dexter, you know, how his dad always comes back? And it's like. See, but if you look at, like, some of those connections and relationships with, like, with, like, like, like, the actual main character. like number one on the cost sheet right like those those people were really ingrained deep into like the producing writing opinions like they're not just acting they're they're across the board on decision making for the show and so like they will be like i like this guy i don't care what y'all say

we're bringing them back and again that can create conflict but that's interesting so they just like if you want to step back they just basically make it so you've died like if you wanted if you want it out in like an asshole-y kind of way. Yeah. Like, show's like Breaking Bad. Shows like Dexter. Like, oh, dude, you, accidents happen all the time.

Like, especially for these characters. But then you also probably ruin your reputation in that circle. Like, this guy just walked out on us. Let's not work on. Why would you work with someone that's kind of like, like, you know, so here's, it's funny that you bring that up. So I was in a roller coaster accident while I was filming Breaking Bad. I have like a little barge on my arm

What? Ripped out all my like elbow stuff I was like 15 Oh wait how does this happen So it uh you know Don't go the first week to a brand new roller coaster And it was you that got hit Was someone else around you that also?

Oh I was like the ninth person That got injured that day Did they have insurance? That's the first thing in my life So where I messed up was I didn't want to wait for the ambulance It was like a 45 minute wait And so I was like I'm going to my hospital right now because like this kid's like I'm like bleeding out of my elbow well here the ride starts

it hits me in the arm and then the ride takes off so the pressure builds and builds and builds in my elbow and as we're going through this I'm like in my head I'm like man this is going to hurt tomorrow like because of the adrenaline and the ride stops I just hear screaming and I'm like oh my god what happened behind me and we go to get off and everyone behind me just wiping, like, blood off of them. And I'm like, what happened? And this worker, like, that was working the ride. It's like, you're bleeding.

And I'm like, huh? And I looked down, and I'm just like, remember. Wait, so what exactly did you hit your arm on? So apparently that's a very good question that we never fully found the answer to after a lawsuit. But going to my point of why I bring this up is they told me, Because I went through like three surgeries and like they gave me a bunch of pills and I'm like, I'm not taking these pills. And after three surgeries after that, they're like, look, like you're injured. But if you were that injured, you should quit your job. And my job was breaking back. And so like I made the decision. I was like, I'm done with you guys. Whatever. I can, I've done the surgeries. I've done the things. I've done the nerve testing. Like, I'm not. I'm, not quitting my job and and and just like buried it like you know like just did the physical therapy you

didn't get like a huge payout from this or maybe there was some something I didn't get it I got my I got my medical bills covered which was like a lot still oh my gosh but that was the point if I wanted to pay out I had to quit so your elbow was like kind of like oh dude I mean you can't see it on camera but you see there's like a little hole right yeah yeah it like shot in and like rotate it see the right it didn't hurt it didn't hurt at all but what hurt the most is when I got to the hospital because they're like hey so we can't x-ray it because it's a puncture wound we have to um we got to make sure there's no metal in it and that in my opinion was probably I'd probably say in the top five most painful things I've experienced in my life and this dude

set on top of me because of the angle I had to lay like this and there's this big nurse with these big old long fires just digging in my arm and like I had like headphones I'm just like listening to something and like I'm just like and good times but but the reason why but like the reason why I bring that is they they wanted me to quit the show you know and when you have a show and you have something that you feel very passionate about, there's no reason to walk away from it. You know, there's like, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, every reason to no matter what, push forward and make it happen regardless. Jeez. So we're mostly like a financial podcast. It's sort of where we're coming from.

And you've claimed before that Breaking Bad did not make you a millionaire. No. No, not even, not even close. I, I've, I've paid more intact. than I got from breaking bad. How is that, how is that possible? It's just the name of the game with it. Like, you know, young kid, like, you just, you, like,

I didn't really see a lot of, like, like, I, you know, I had a team, a big team at one point, and I was traveling the world, doing stuff, and, like, so mostly my team, like, I'm, like, I was paying to keep my career going, you know? Oh, I see. Like, I was paying to keep pushing forward and to keep doing that.

And everything went back into the business. So, like, as far as, like, excess... Did you have the Coogan account as a kid? So it was that that was going in there. Yeah, but not even close to triple digits. See, what's crazy is that Google says your net worth is $5 million. Where do they get that number from? I honestly don't know.

I think it's so what I've earned in my entire life. Um, one thing that did put a damper on me, I did have a bad business manager. I did. I got, I got royally, like, hammered. So what had... In my last four years of my highest earning series. What was the justification behind the business manager making certain decisions? Um, I wanted to protect my funds.

So I got a, you know, I was 18, 19, like 17, 18. You hear all the bad stories, right? You're like, hey, I wanted to like, I was like, okay, I'm going to get a business accountant. Like, up until that point, I always managed it. My family, we always, you know, felt the sheets out, did the things, always had it. And then I was like, you know, I really, everyone's kind of pushing me to make sure that I have a proper accountant. Dude, I got eaten. So did he just invest your money poorly or did he siphon funds from you?

Like, what was the main? And what year was that? So I was around 17. So I'd probably say this was around like 2011. Rough time in the market. Like 2011, 2012, 2013. And so like I can't go into details because this person, I don't know is still out there. But I know she got 14 other actors.

I was like one of this big group. that she was targeting, like, primarily people with disabilities, elderly, like older actors in the industry, and worked at the sheriff's department where she had her office at. So she could, you would have to file at that. Sure.

And so... How does she lose the money? Like, is it poor investments? Is it high expenses? You just didn't get it? Just, no, she didn't lose it. She was a siphoning funds. Like, like, literally, she would,

I would write a check. I write a check to go pay my taxes. And instead of her using it to pay my taxes, she would send me a fake filing of taxes and take that money. And so at the end of the day, though, it's my negligence. So regardless with that, the IRS doesn't really care about you. The only care of that you make sure that you're, that you are paying it. And anyone else that handles that is your fault because you did not do your due diligence.

Is she still working today or is she like in jail? She's around. That's what happened to the guy. I'm blanking on the name. It's very common. This is a very, it only took me 10 years to pay it off. Ten years to pay off your taxes?

It was a rough thing. But like, you know, it was a lesson learned. And it's like, you know, I, I've always been very savvy in my finances. You know, I was treasurer from our organization for eight years and we've always done well and I've always been very good about it and you know I'm I look at as a blessing um and a curse um but it gave me knowledge that like no one has

Steve Harvey had the same thing happened to him yeah same thing he was paying his accountant the accountant will cash the check and then he would just get a fake receipt yeah they just make a mock of it it all looks legit and they're like here you go and then like like like three or four or five years later with compound interest at like 13, 14 percent or 17 percent interest on that total number for each year, you get this nice big check coming for you. How did you get a letter from the IRS? I didn't get one until it was like too late. Like, yeah.

Did people show up at your house? No, I had, you know, I have attorneys and stuff that I've like, because I work, you know, I'm on top of stuff. I wasn't on top of that. And so, um, so like it was just one of those days you get a letter and it's like, your heart drops. Who do you call after you get that letter? Call your CPA.

You call it, you call a license. Well, you don't, not her. You call another attorney. You call a forensic accountant. And then you figure out, okay, how, what happened? What did she say? Good luck. How?

Would she even talk to you? I mean, it was comp, it was really, really, really. complicated. Like it, it, it, it, it, so I was able, I was young enough to really, like, be able to, like, you know, I just, I cut her off. I changed, I canceled the accounts. We shut down the system. We shut down the bleeding. Um, and, and luckily I, like, I immediately was like, hey, guys, like, like, we're good. Let me go. I'm just gonna go work for the next whatever, however long to pay this all. And, um, And so other, though, there were 13 others. I actually want to make a show about it. I've actually been writing a show on this. I'm not even going to mention it yet. How do you not go after her criminally?

Well, when the same person that you're trying to go after criminally is the same person you have to report the criminal filing to. Couldn't you report it anywhere else? Stayed California, you have to do it in the area that she's licensed in. Couldn't you just have a lawyer do it on your behalf? and it's going to be filed. Yeah. I'd be gone after every... For tens of thousands of dollars,

which you don't have at that point. Any lawyer would take that... Any lawyer would take that on contingency. Yeah, you still owe it. But my point being is that if she... Just as an example, got 100 grand. I guarantee she has 100 grand of assets that you could seize. I think it's criminal.

It's not like you would go both. You'd be going after her personally and... Yeah, but it's also wired. It's not in her name. It's all... Like, it's very complicated. Like, I can't go into detail because this is still an ongoing investigation. Like, we've, we've tracked it to offshore account shell companies.

Like, no, this is a, we're not talking hundreds of thousands of dollars. We're talking tens of millions of dollars. And once it's out of the country, there's really not much you can do. And when you're targeting older actors and you're targeting people that, like, are structured pay. And once they lose that foundation underneath them, they kind of just can't fight. anymore. It's super messed up. And this happens to millions of people. Did you talk to all of the other victims of this? Oh yeah. No, no, no. We're all in connection. We're all still in contact. There's still a whole thing going on right now. But they're pursuing it. No. There's nothing to pursue.

There's no. Yeah, I know once the money goes beyond a certain point, you can't get it back. There's nothing there. But you could at least put this person behind bars. We know some great lawyers. I'm telling, It's a little more complicated than that, though. You think, yes, you can, but you're talking like years of litigation, years of appeals, years of forensic accountants. Okay, so the cost of that's probably going to be in the millions, and then it's like, can you recover? Probably not. What do you do, put her in jail? Yeah.

It's conflict. Wow. Again, though, this is very, very common, especially the young actors. Like like mind-blowing And it happens every day It's probably happening right now somewhere So what's your advice to newer actors today When it comes to their finances

You know I Record it Mark down every dollar You know Keep track of it You know stay on top of it You know Know where you're spending your money

How you're spending your money I think technology today Is getting stronger and stronger In where you can't hide money Like he used to Like used to is like Oh yeah We have this

stack of paper yeah just get put in a shelf no one's going to find it now today it's more digital ties i mean again you know i i do my best i'm i'm a fairly a frugal person um but like it's it's really about just knowing where your money where your money's coming in and where your money's going out and once you have those two basic things down there's more learning but but if you know you know where every dollar's going now i can tell you where every dollar that I have goes. Like down down to where it came in to where it's going. Yeah.

So where are you making most of your money today and how are you investing? I make most of my money through speaking, speaking engagements. I shoot about a movie a year. I do a lot of, you know, I raise more funds, though, for nonprofits than I make, like, by a lot, which is how it should be. but most of my income comes from movies I try to shoot a movie a year

they're nothing crazy for the most part low budget but you know that's kind of it's about grinding you know and staying in it and staying active and constantly putting yourself out there for different projects like like here today

you know like you know people are going to see this and they're going to be inspired and who knows since we met with Ian and now this and we've kind of kept this waterfall effect going through this trip, and just enjoying it, you know. It is crazy how we got here.

So for those that don't know, I saw Beast Games on Amazon. And it was Macy's idea to send Jeff, the winner, a DM on Instagram. Yeah. Just sent him a DM, and he was here a few days later to talk about it. And then we became really great friends of them. And then through them, we met Madge. And he was also a winner on Mr. Beast. We became friends.

And then through that, Ian Bick. And then through Ian, us. And then on top of that, after this, we're going to go try the best stakes in the world with Joshua Weissman, who's here in Vegas and he invited us to go eat some steaks with him. We're like, oh, well, we're filming a podcast. You know, can we bring RJ?

And he's like, absolutely. Yeah. That sounds amazing. So now, like, it's weird, like the cobweb of a connection. You never know what's going to happen, man. It's a very small world. And I find if you treat everyone with grace and kindness and care, like you really don't know how.

far it goes and and the impacts I can have and it's definitely been a fun uh fun 24 hours yeah so when you got your first big paycheck though for breaking back yeah what did you spend it on i'd probably say it was in the second season when i got a nice when i got my first nice check like and i bought me a pair of lily vaton shoes no yeah i still have them today i wear them yeah i still wear them yeah they still they look brand new Why? How do they look brand new? I just took care of them. You don't take care of your shoes? I guess not. No, not like that.

Yeah, like that. No, that was one of my first. Like, I honestly don't collect a lot of things. Like, I pretty much have everything that I've ever significantly been given or got myself since I was like nine. And I've carried this stuff around the country. Do you have like a ton of things then? Yeah. I got a ton of things.

What do you have? I got lots of things. No. So, like, I mean, as far as, like, what? Like, breaking bad stuff? Like, I got a bunch of meth from the show. Okay. Like, but, like, from season one.

Okay. So it's, like, matured as time has gone on. It's like a fine wine. I don't know about that. It's still rock candy. I have, like, my crutches. You know, I have the shoes I bought. I have, like, you know, memorabilia.

Yeah. I always, I have. I, when I'm given like art and stuff, I can't throw it away. I, I, I, I would, I went to try to clear out some stuff and I felt so guilty when I tried to throw this one piece. I'm like, I can't. I put it back in the box. I'm like, you know, I always want to have that. If one day I run into them and they're like, hey, remember that thing I gave you? I can say without, without like question, yes, I do still have it. It's, it's, it's in my, it's, it's, it's in my storage.

That's dangerous because now I feel like most people when they see it, they're like, okay, if I ever see them, I got to give them something because they'll hold on to it forever. You're just going to have people like screening lines, just giving you. Yeah, new thing. It's quite the way. But, but, um, I'm a collector. Like, I have all my original Pokemon cards since I was a child. Like, like, like, every pack that I opened when I was like nine years old.

And they're all still in the condition. What sort of Breaking Bad memorabilia, did you keep? I have my crutches. That's cool. Yeah, and they're pretty sick. I, you know, I have, I have a, I have a Heisenberg hat. I got some pairs of underwear.

I have some of my clothes. You know, we, you know, I took, really, the only thing I truly wanted after the show was my crutches. And I was, like, my big, my big one grab was, like, at the end of the series, these are mine. So, did they want to fight you? on that they're like well i kind of want it like um how do you sneak things away off of set yeah and do they allow you to take these or do people just kind of like take you know that you know that saying it's better ask for forgiveness

and permission so so i kind of asked the right people was like hey you think this is going to cause a problem and they're like do it and i was like okay and and then a few years later The Smithsonian wanted him. And I was like, no, I'm kidding. And you just, like, you just store them. I have them, yeah. Do you ever use them?

No, no, they're memorabilia. You got them. Why wouldn't you give it to the Smithsonian, though, for display? They're mine. Couldn't you give it on a loan? No, they don't do consignment. Oh, really? At all.

They have to own it. But they're missing out. I mean, these are like... Well, they have another pair, but they're not the originals. You know? I think about this. I use these crutches for seven. seven years straight.

Like, I was on those crutches for seven years. And, like, they, they, they just, I, I had a hard time, like, when they were, like, I thought about giving them, you know, I thought about, like, yeah. And then I was like, I was like, man, I, I, I rather have them with me. I know they're safe. It makes sense. It's not like something that was kind of fly by night. Like, this was something that you held on to for a long, long time.

Yeah. Yeah. What about high. Heisenberg's hat. So I don't have an original, I don't have an original Heisenberg hat. Brian has his hat. But I have the same guy who made the, I forget the style of cap, not a bowler cap, but that type of hat, the hatmaker who made all of them, we have like a box. And it's like a photo of Brian as Heisenberg with the glasses.

And it's like a yellow top and has this gorgeous hat in it. That has to be crazy valuable. Like the authentic crutches, like a hat. Like, what do you think it's worth? Have you been offered money for it before? I did get offered some money for it. The crutches got to be, they have to be over $100. Yeah, it was over $100,000.

Yeah, they have to be. No. I got offered. I don't exactly remember the amount, but I do remember it was very significant. Is there a price where you would say, no, right? A million dollars for the grudges? Two million.

No. Wow. I think movie memorabilia is so cool to buy and collect. I remember the original Beetlejuice book went up for auction, and it sold it some crazy price. The guide, right? The guide? Yeah, but it sold some crazy price. But I think stuff like that is so cool to collect. It's one of a kind. It's so memorable. We were watching Gremlins the other night. I was thinking, how cool would it be to get an original little gremlin thing? Like an original gizmo? Yeah. My dream would be able to get something from the nightmare. before Christmas. Like one of the actual little...

Stock motion guys? Like a jack skeleton? I would do anything. To get one of those little things or about like this tall, I would do anything for... I'm sure they would sell for a stupid price,

but I can't see how that wouldn't be worth a ton of money in the future. I love that. I mean, I think again, though, it's all about perspective. But I, you know, why don't you just like hit up Tim Burton

and be like, hey, you mind making me a little jacks So what's funny is I met Danny Elthman at his warehouse, and he had them everywhere. And I couldn't help but just think, oh, my God. Like all the little ones just around, all the memorabilia from all of his films were just, with Tim Burton, were there. And just to be able to look and be like, that was it. How special is that? Insane.

Like, you know, I'm one of those people, I tell my family, it's going to be my will. No one, it's going to be like no one's allowed to sell my stuff. Even after I'm dead. I'm already putting it in there. I'm like, no one's allowed to like, I'm going to like, it's going to be like a little museum. It's like it's all yours. I'm not here. It's all yours.

But see, if you put them in the Breaking Bad house that you purchase behind some glass could just be an artifact that people walk in. That's a money right there. That you could get such a good ROI on that. I really do. But like the thing is, though, is like what would be like how long before return? what's your initial investment? Like, because, you know, we're talking, she still wants $4 million, and that's not including the, uh, the real estate fee.

I bet you could negotiate the price down. She would sell to you cheaper than she would sell 100% to other people. I mean, possibly, maybe like a, uh, a 100 year, uh, lease purchase, uh, where it's like, okay, hey, look, we're going to do this. I want to pay you $4 million in my lifetime. So speaking of money, though, you've said before that you respect money, but you don't like what it does to people. I'm curious, how have you seen money? I hate money.

How have you seen money corrupt people in Hollywood? Hollywood, you mean the world. Like, like, literally, like, you know, money is a tool. Like, I look at money as, you know, it's a tool. It's sadly a necessity in life. We need money to survive. It doesn't matter who you are. unless you are rural, local, native, populate.

Like, you know, there's people that have lived a certain way for hundreds of years, you know. But in a modern day society, you know, capital, money, you can't do anything without it pretty much. You can't, you have to have these structures. And sadly, people, like, as you offer, like, what's my number, right? You're like, a mill, two mil. People do have numbers, sadly. and what someone is willing to do for the right number never ceases to amaze me. And people will sacrifice who they are for money, for clout, for whatever that is.

And, you know, growing up, I've always worked. I've never, I've never not had a job in my life. Even as like a five-year-old kid, I would be like chores around the house. Let me go help pick fruit. let me go do this. Let me go whatever, whatever it may have been. I always, I always liked working. And so for me, it's not about necessarily like, I need money to survive, but I enjoy the working. I enjoy the camaraderie. I enjoy what I'm doing out there. And money just helps it get that way. But I don't really set a number for myself. It's does it have, does it make sense? Are we helping people? Are we

changing lives? Are we having an impact? And then it also goes the opposite way, you know, with what's your number? What, what, what will you be willing to do for a million? Oh, we do this all the time. It gets, it gets horrible. Dude, this is her favorite, the most depraved things in the car of like, yo, what would you do that for like 50 grand, 100 grand? And we always get to a number. We're like, all right, I got to say. Graham's numbers for some pretty like suss things are pretty low. I'm just willing to put that out there, guys. You know what's funny? They're surprisingly low. Jack paid me once.

I thought it was the easiest money ever. We have it on video, a licking a moldy bagel. And it was right on the mold. Yeah, and it was blue mold. And I said, 15 bucks. And Jack says, all right, you have to leave it on there for how many seconds? Yeah, I said you gotta leave it on there. Like five seconds.

Like $15 for five seconds is a great ROI. And I just do it. And I feel some like burning sensation of my time. Like, you know what's funny is what is $15 doing for you? Welcome aboard via rail. Please sit and enjoy. Please sit and sip. Play.

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It's how we're making banking more human. Right now. I don't regret doing it. I don't regret doing it at all. But that's crazy, dude. Because that could be why you are the way that you are. Like that is a mold? I don't know, man.

That can have some long-term ramifications. I just, I lifted it. I lifted it. And then I just washed my mouth afterwards. It was so easy. I'm just saying $15 to gram now. It's like, like he can refresh his Schwab account and instantly. In like literally the millisecond, in the millisecond he refreshes it, it could vary by probably $1,000.

It's not going to make any. It was so easy to do. It's not, see, that's where people mix up. It's not about the money or how much the money. It's just about, it's the action of it. It's the bet of it. No, it's just the ratio. To grandma, it was literally like, if I can make $15 in five seconds,

then my minute wage is this, my hour wage is this, and that's higher than I make when I'm editing. And it's like, dude, I just, per hour, that's a really high amount per hour. I mean, that is, that is, if you, if you, if you, take that to minutes to hours to months that is quite a career and be a billionaire by just licking moldy bagels

with that. If I could just do that for eight hours a day straight for $15 Let's make sure your health insurance and life insurance policies in check for that though. Going back to that point about my comment, people desperate people,

you know, money doesn't like people with money or people that have power with money, don't freely give anything. It all comes out of cost. And when you have someone that desperately needs it that's willing to do anything, that's where you get into a very dangerous scenario of power. And, you know, what that person is willing to give up who they are willing to be to get that power. You know, and we see it in social media, you know, with videos and YouTube and stuff, people that, that hurt themselves sometimes to get the sensationalism is, in my opinion, like, it's a dangerous

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If you think that money in and of itself is of value, instead of seeing money as a tool or a vessel to get something else, to help other people, to be able to provide for your family, to be able to go on a trip. Maybe it's been years

since you've been on a trip, and you're like, well, if I get this amount of money, I can now do that. Instead of just like getting money for the sake of it, I saw this one video that went super viral.

It's unfortunately hilarious, but it's also bad. This guy pays another guy like 100 bucks to drink a little bit of Ipicac. Oh, I saw that. Yeah. Dude, that's like 20 years ago. Yeah, but that video, like, too,

like, it grosses you out and it also is kind of like... I always think of the Family Guy episode. What's that one? With the Ippocat. I don't remember that. Where they all drink the I pickac and they're throwing up all over the...

I've seen that. Oh, man. I got to check that out. That's what initially that video I feel comes from. But yeah. No, it... When you start putting yourself in harm to make a quick buck, like the mold. I don't think that's harmful, though.

See, if I genuinely thought I'd be, like, sick or out the day, I wouldn't do it. Yeah. No, but, but, but like, take that scenario times 50 or times 100 of whatever that is. People do do stuff like that, though. We asked Togi recently, it was like a viral clip. He's a gambling, like, fitness influencer sort of guy. We asked him if you'd remove a pinky finger for $10 million, and he said he'd remove his foot if he could for $10 million.

And this guy makes a lot of money. I mean, you could buy a lot of feet for $10 million. That's a good point. I didn't think about that. It reminded me, though, I did get paid to eat a snail in Japan. I didn't want to eat the snail. Was it an edible snail? Yeah, it was cooked and garlic.

But I didn't want to eat it. And then a buddy was like, I'll pay you $10 to eat it. And I said, sure. And I ate the snail. do this same to me all the time. Like, he was, he was always like, he'd be like, here, eat this, eat this fat. I'm like, for the sake, I'll give you a hundred bucks.

We do that with wasabi all the time. Oh, yeah. Like the whole thing of wasabi, 20 bucks. 20 bucks. But, you know, I think there's a game, a friendly game of it, but then there's the, the darker version of that. And that's, and that's

where the, the power is. And it's like, what would you, because, you know, it's, we're talking like, 20 bucks, like a hundred bucks, but there are people that are doing this with hundreds of millions of dollars. It's a squid games, hunger games,

sort of. But how is that much different from working a job, like a high paid, high stress job that you really dislike, but it pays you 200 grand a year? I mean, there's a lot of people that live in lives that hate their jobs, but they stay because they,

it's kind of an endless circle. You know, I've definitely done jobs that I did not want to do. but I did it because it was I was free and it was paying yeah like it like well then it's a win win it's a win

but I find you cannot once you start questioning your morals like like I believe everyone has a moral accomplice and sometimes it doesn't always point the way it should but I believe once you start sacrificing who you are and like what when you start sacrificing your dreams to chase something else, like chasing someone else's dream, chasing someone else's money, when you start losing what made you you and what made you have passion or art,

because people get in the industry and they struggle. The acting industry is not like a very welcoming and warm industry. Everyone's, we're all competing for the similar job. We're all, there's one role that we're all trying to get, right? To zero some. Yeah. And so, like everyone's fighting for that one big break. And it's then it's like, okay, you had the big break. Where's the next big break? And where's the next big break? And people were like, okay, well, I'll be willing to do this

if I can get into this movie or I can get on this show. And it's not just money. Are we talking like predatory behavior of like that, that sort of stuff? Yeah. Like, I mean, but that all is all money related. It's all based in money. It's all based in capital. and what are you willing to do to be on this show?

What are you willing to do to get what you want? And I find you always have to stay true to yourself. And I know that's some lame thing that people say, but it's a reality of it. Because once you start losing who you are as a person, what makes you, you've lost the game. Were you ever presented with any moral dilemmas like that where you had to like think inwardsly,

okay, well, what is the ethical thing to do here? I had a moment where I had some people approach me and they're like come with us we're going to make you a star and I always said no and that was the last time I modeled so what did they want I'm not going to detail but I

stopped it before like it you could sense it was gone on my job I knew I knew they wanted something that I was not willing to pay you know it's there's something in life that we we have and how far are you willing to go you know breaking bad is a great example of how far are you willing to go to get what you want is either for your family for for power for whatever it is how far are you willing to go and and for me i've always kind of had like um like uh i'm not going to step past it

how common do you think that is and do you think it's more common with with men or women or do you think it's equal you know i think it's a fine line i don't think it's a fine line i don't think it's It's because like, it's not, it's not a, it's not a sex-based thing, in my opinion. It's a, it's a power. Again, it's, it's power, it's money, it's fame. It's, it's all these things that's, the sex, drugs, and rock and roll of, of, what are you willing to do to be at top? What are you willing to do to be a star?

And there are certain people that, like, you see it happen where it's like, they're a hit, and everyone comes from you. And it's sharks, you know, blend the water, the sharks come, they eat, everyone gets, it's fed and then hopefully you stay the biggest shark until another day a bigger shark comes in each you. It sounds really stressful. I love what I do. Yeah.

I love I get to do amazing things around the world. You know, I work with numerous charities globally and it definitely is stressful. But when you can see change in the world that you've done, like, and knowing, like, I've seeing where my work was when I started with Breaking Bad in disability communities and advocacy and awareness to today. I feel very proud of all the people that I worked with and all the teams and organizations and nonprofits that we've worked with and helped and raised funds. And I raise about, I'd probably say, $2 to $3 million a year for nonprofits. And annually.

And so, like, being able to see that change is, in my opinion, the most valuable thing in this world. Could you shout out some of those nonprofits right now? We can leave links down below in the description to if you're interesting. You know, I'm a big supporter of Shriners Hospital for children. I was a Shriver's kid when I was younger. I went to Shriner's Hospital from 2 to 18. And they do amazing things, not just for people with disabilities, but just across the board for families. United Serble Palsy, I'm actually going to go.

in the next couple of weeks to do it for United Cerebral Pauzy, San Diego. But they're national. You know, both of these organizations are nationally. And then I work with lots of local municipalities. And, you know, I've done stuff with the UN in, like, Eastern Europe and Germany. But those are my main two. I like to shout out. And I'm curious, in terms of investing, do you invest in, like, stocks, ETFs,

real estate. Like how good reet. A good reed goes a long way. Okay. Sorry, what were you about saying? Bitcoin. I, I, I, I missed the biggest bullet of my life in 2009, man. I remember being at Hollywood Tower.

I don't know if y'all, y'all know where Hollywood Tower is off of, um, by the, by the 101 freeway. My friends live there. And I remember being at this, um, this, this, this, this, this, this, radio, I forget what radio station it was, but they would have these concerts and stuff. And this dude's telling me about Bitcoin. He's like, you got to get it right now. It's going to revolutionize, blah, blah, blah, like all the things. And I was like, yeah, I'm going to get it. I'm going to get it. And I don't know. I thought I bought some. I might have a

laptop with some on it somewhere that I really hope that I find one day. But I missed it. But like I like Ethereum. I do do a little gambling like Shiva Inu. Did you make money on it? No, I mean, I think, well, well, I, I, um, I'd probably say up on like 20% on my crypto market. I don't have a lot of crypto. Like, we're not, we're talking like a couple of G's.

We're not talking like tons of money. I'm, um, I'm very careful with my personal funds as far as investing. Um, professionally I, I, with the companies I work, we have different firms and stuff. And I've been the treasurer for many organizations over the years. And, you know, I'm a big fan of due diligence and transparency. And most of my work I do, it's like, oh, if here it is, it's publicly. But Charles Schwab. Good?

Yeah. Yeah, they're great. I love them. I've had an account with them for a decade. Do you have a Charles Schwab guy, like a guy you reach out to? No, I just do it. We have a guy on the inside. We can put you in contact him.

Yeah. He's great. It's good to call. It's kind of like, I just, I, I like to, I treat my stock account like gambling. So I like penny stocks. No. Are you serious? Yeah, I'm one of those guys.

How do you get your penny stocks? Where do you find them? So lately I've been using chat cheap T to do a lot of the research. I say, hey, find me these types of dividend stocks. Find me these types of structures with large cap capital and no debt. and I then have it pull up companies that have, like I've gotten some that have a 1,200 X on it. Like, we're not talking like a lot of money,

but like it went from a, I bought like 200 of it, and now it's like 800 bucks. Do you, do you have like index funds? I have a couple. Do you have, uh, any real estate? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have, I want one.

I don't like to, I also don't like to plug, plug like capital stuff but um there's like a couple i look for for like index funds or real estate funds that again have high asset allocations that that have minimal debt and that show um gross income coming in and so i mean i you can't go wrong if they're making money right and so so i look at it across the board of okay is it losing money but it has a lot high asset valuation or is it gaining money and have a low asset valuation and so i always tend to choose something with assets you know something with tangible resources and growth potential very interesting well you got to take a thing or two about it's a different strategy it's almost it's

kind of like gambling it sounds like it you know typically i'm a whole i'm a long-term holder so like i'm someone that like i i have this one stock it's a interstellar mining company. They have rights to asteroids. How do you even get a right to an asteroid? You file for the right to asteroid. File who? With the government. With the Russia.

Who owns it? How do we know America owns it instead of like... No one owns it. Exactly. But then how do they own it? No one owns these flying rocks. So like you have to... So like it's like so NASA identifies these types of structures and you have all this like

extra like space and they can hit it with. certain telescopes. Like, you have asteroids that are made out of solid gold. But how do you get money off this? So over the next 30 years, um, like they're going to mine these things.

With what? With drone, drone hypes, structured stuff. They're going to break off pieces, drop it, some of it allegedly in orbit. I would sell,

man. I would get out of this thing. Um, but how do we know that like, they have the right? We don't. This is a great business to be in. Is this a large,

percentage of your portfolio. No, no. If it's money that you're comfortable playing around with, you know? We're talking like, like, it's increased in value. But again, I don't, I, most of my, most of my income that I make, it literally, I make it myself. As far as, like, my stock stuff in my portfolio, I use it with long term, like, I got a couple, like, million shares of some stuff for a hundred bucks.

But, like, you know what I mean? Like, he's buying like 30% of the company I love Monopoly. Are you like a like more than 50% owner of any of these? No, no. He has like 300 files. Well, the one that I'm talking about, you see Mattress Warehouse. He's buying like some kids lemonade stand.

Yeah, oh, dude, man. There's this hustler. There's these two kids in South Dakota who sell the best lemonade. Like, great ROI. Do you have? Do you have any desire to also have some, like, like, other more conservative investments, like an index fund or anything? No, I do, like, you know, like, S&P type stuff.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, for the most part, like, I do, I do consultant for different firms and stuff like that, joking aside, like, funny and so. Like, I'm, those are my joke ones. But, like, you know, it's for me, it's all about, like, long-term structure growth, we reinvest dividends um you know power utility stuff structure like that okay yeah i was just i was just curious though as long as like you could do all that stuff as long as you're also doing like no yeah no i'm

i'm um my like look i'm not rich or anything everyone always assumed everyone assumes i'm loaded but like i i work hard for every dollar i have and and since i over the past 20 years of learning in and doing different structures and running boards. There's certain things that, like, you know where to invest. And then there's the gambling. Do people ever hit you up for money

because they see you on the show and they're like, dude, you must have? All the time. When the show first came out, someone hit me up to pay for their son's rehab. Oh, wow. Like, blamed us and, like, a whole thing about, like, the show.

And it's like, we've just had one episode. One episode? And they already were. Yeah, coming down pretty hard on it. In the beginning, you know. But like, I, you know, I'm really good about protecting myself. I have a very tight-knit family. Yeah.

I don't really do anything or put myself to, I really don't. I do my best to keep my, keep myself out of vulnerable positions, you know. Do you have any financial goals? Yeah, to just. No. That mining stock. That mining stock. I'm telling you what, though, bring it down.

If you end up, I should sell all of my gold right now because you're going to devalue the heck out of gold. If we have an asteroid that's made a 24-carat gold and it comes down, I want to invest in a company. Basically anyone that's holding gold right now, the gold will be, yeah, it'll become worthless. Well, it's a little more complicated than that. Gold will always have value. It's in all the technologies. Like, it's in your cars. It's in your phones.

It's in this microphone. Yeah, but your asteroid could bring it down like 50%. Or raise technology because we use some little gold. Imagine if we had more of it to create stronger technology. That's true. You could hedge your asteroid gold position with like some silly stuff. A tech, biotech. Oh, yeah.

You could put Bitcoin mining facilities on the asteroid. Well, it's cooling. Yeah. Anyways. No, but, you know, I think it's really, when it comes to investments, you always have to have to do diligence. You always have to do your research and structure. And like, like I find, again,

knowing where your money's coming in and where your money's going out, like really managing that, there's a lot of people that don't know where their assets are going. And there's a lot of money that just like, it's like, oh, you know, oh, it was a dollar here and a dollar there

and a dollar there. But over time, those dollars really add up. And, you know, knowing what your bills are, what your structured system is and the life that you want to live you know you mentioned financial goals earlier i do and i do have a lot of financial goals that i'm working towards and um you know i'm a big fan of like real estate and stuff like i have a property i live in california never could afford a house in california but moved into texas within a year bought a home and so um you know i think having strong assets are key in your life and you know the politely cards don't don't

hurt. You know, they've been going up. They've been going up a lot this last year, apparently. But, you know, really creating kind of a steady, stable portfolio income-based structure. You know, my overall goal for me over the next, like, 15 years is to really just get a nice portfolio where it has regularly structured systems and kind of just making it where it's like, okay, I don't have to go take that job next Tuesday. So what do you think separates actors who have really long great careers versus those? who fade out? I think it varies depending on the actor.

I mean, you know, I think it also depends on the civilization and the time that we're in. You know, what, you know, if we look at actors going back since the creation of television specifically, you know, you look at the starlets of 1940s and 50s and 60s and 70s to the starlets today, it's a different market. It's a generational growth. It's a different type of,

either a resurgence or a desergence of like industry and you know I find it's about being consistent showing up on time knowing your lines being again punctuality is like so important in the industry because if if you miss a day like like it was about $25,000 a day for breaking bad so if you messed up that day that's 25 that's that's that's time and money like you're you're you're everyone's hurting and so and that can come from the smallest little thing and having a strong chain of people that really um work together that show up on time that keep pushing for it i think that's what makes that's where you see these actors that are that are popping off and then right place at the right time one thing i learned and i was told at a young age life is the most important thing is

is when readiness meets opportunity. I don't know we all heard this, but, you know, we're so often not ready, but we have the opportunity. And then we're so often ready, but there's no opportunity. And I find when that iron strikes and you're ready to strike it,

and that opportunity comes and you're ready for it, that's where you launch, and that's where you grow from. How important are relationships in networking? Like, how much is it who you know? I mean, how else did I get here? Like, you know what I mean? This is a great example of networking right now.

From Ian to here to late. Like, you know, I think it's about networking, but not just networking and partying and doing all the things, but networking in a way that puts you in a light where people see your assets versus like, oh, that's that guy. Yeah, we see him all the time. Versus like, oh, he's coming through. You know, but like there are these stars out.

Like, you know, like, if you, when you see Brian walk into a room, right, it's a thing. It's not like, it's not some simple, like some random dude walking into the room. It's like an energy. And that's something that over time you grow and you learn with and you create this energy. And I think like through trial and error, but being at the right place and the right time with, carrying yourself properly and carrying yourself in a way that that actually helps the community. Now, does playing Walt Jr. make it harder to get other work in the future? Or does it make it, does it open doors?

So hard, man. Like, like, it opened a lot of doors. But, I mean, you're still Walt Jr. Regardless, like, you know, I was so young on that show. And so that was kind of like everyone else, you know. you know, Brian and Betsy and Anna, they've all had years of experience in shows and movies before they, breaking bad was it?

Like, a show that changed everything, right? And for me, that was kind of like the, like that was like my first experience of actually being a speaking role and having that ability to walk into this. So for me, I kind of like, where everyone else kept building, I kind of had to go back. I had to, after the show was done, I kind of had to backstep into like a guest art role or smaller parts that that weren't so

because they're like no he's great he's great but he he looks like Walt Jr. And it's like no one as an actor you can't carry that. You don't want to carry your roles in every role, you know. And so for me, I've worked really hard in selecting my movies that really highlight my acting ability versus just they hired me because of I was Walt Junior I was on Breaking Bad But you know what Brian Cranston did a great job

because when I first watched Breaking Bad the first few episodes I couldn't get it out of my mind that this isn't how from Malcolm in the middle and I was like that's the dad from Malcolm in the middle and it took me maybe a half a season to get that out of my head like he transitioned that really really really well same with Ed O'Neill I would think of him from married with children

nonstop and it took a long time but he was able to even now I still think that's married but but he did it very successfully but it takes time yeah and it takes like it takes

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It's about getting that one. And being ready for it when you get it that can't pull you into that next thing. And that's kind of where I'm working on right now is trying to find a show that fits me. I shoot like two movies a year. But something that really is that next step. And it's kind of, but it's really hard to, to make another Breaking Bad again, you know, you don't. Well, I don't think there will ever be. No, no. It's in Boston. But I've seen with quite a few people like McCauley Colkin. Yeah. Like after Home Alone, like he's been in plenty of movies since then. Like,

I'll see him. He's a great job. Same thing is, like, oddly enough, Nat Wolf, if you know who that is from naked, naked brothers band. Like, he was that when he was a kid. And they had a TV show. And then, and then, like, he's been in some really interesting movies since then. But you look at how long after that, though. It was, you know. It's almost like a change. of appearance that McCullough and really changed from being a kid to now. But there's always like this gap of societal

transition because they love you so much as this role and then you're 30. You know? It's like you were a child then and now you're an adult. So the transition is almost like a shock. Yeah. Same with Harry Potter, Daniel Radcliffe.

Yeah. And like look at his content though. Like he does some really far out movies. And it's I find it's all about stretching that view of you and breaking that barrier of like, okay, you were this character for so long, and we love this character, and we want more of this, but oh, let's see this.

Oh, and then they go, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then five years later, they go back to that movie, they go, you know, I really like that movie. So what do you think, though, with the future of acting right now with AI and being able to clone people's voices and aesthetics. Like, for background actors,

you could theoretically, like, I think in the news gladiator, like a lot of those people, just complete AI. Yeah, AI. I think it, every, everything serves a purpose. And again,

as I look at it, as money as a tool, AI is a tool. Do I think it can replace everyone? No. Do I think it will, change how we do things, how we see things, the information that we receive, very big, very big way. I think though it's, it's as the industry comes together, right? And you know, you see like AI boycotts,

like for voice acting. And you see these structures of like, of, of, of the union pushing back on AI. I think we need a better understanding. I think the tech. technology is still so fresh and so new, and it's growing rapidly. I think it's about being able to still protect artists, but using different capacities to do that. You know, with the dot-com, remember when, like, computers were created. No one, no one, like, wanted computers. No one wanted the structure. Like, people are like, these are just a fate. And now they're essential in our everyday life. we carry a computer every day, I think it's a double-edged sword, but as every industry grows and changes, I think we have to rise above it. You know, as an artist, as someone that protects our brands,

our art, are who we are. I don't believe AI can replace us. I think that that is impossible. There's something about humanity than nothing else in this world, in this, this galaxy, ever, like, we are very unique in one phase that we continue, no matter what, we grow, we evolve, we adapt. So as we evolve and adapt, and as this new emerging industry of technology evolves and adapts and creates new problems, we create problems to fix it, and identifying the issues, identifying the structures, and being able to utilize it in a way that is conducive for growth in art versus being

replacing art, you know? I'm curious, do you find any issue with non-disabled people playing disabled people in TV shows and movies? And what about dwarves? Because I know that there was like this big thing. I don't know what the politically correct term.

Little people. Little people, people that aren't little people playing little people. This is how I look at able-bodied actors playing disabled roles. I think that if you can hire someone with a disability for a role that highlights a disability, you should always do that.

Now, with that being said, if you're going to get someone like a Brad Pitt to play something, the amount of media you're going to get for that, either positive or negative, is going to raise a question, right? It's going to be thought-provoking. It's going to inspire. It's going to be like,

you know, we need more change on this. we need social this, we need structure on this, we need these opportunities. And I feel that in the industry, we kind of go through these phases of where we see a increase of people with disabilities. And not necessarily disabilities, but accurate representation, right? Diversified casting, I think there's a fine line of bringing it positively, like positively, into the mainstream media or negative. I see there's both a purpose in that

because no one's always 100% accurate. But I think if you have someone with a disability that can play the role, that is that part, there's no reason why you shouldn't hire them. But if you want to try to sensationalize or something, that's what you can do with a bigger name. So I have a question about some of the lore of Breaking Bad. I'm curious, what scene was the most difficult to film,

either because people kept breaking character because it was funny or because it was just logistically challenging? I know the desert. The desert was definitely challenging for the crew. I didn't spend a lot of time in the desert. I mostly because I was either eating breakfast or chilling in my room. I think one of the hardest, not the hardest, but I guess emotional parts for me during the series was when,

Junior fines, Brian beat up at his new apartment. And he has a conversation with Brian about his father dying of emphysema and of lung cancer. And at the same time, my grandfather was dying of emphysema and lung cancer. And so it just, that kind of scene really meant a lot to me and was definitely one of those high, high emotional kind of grass that I really wanted to make sure we got right. What's the craziest thing that you've seen someone do to get in character? I've, I can't go into detail about some things, but I've worked with a few method actors. Do you believe in that? I believe there's a fine line of it. You know, I believe, like, because like I'm, I wouldn't call myself a method actor, but, but I do my best to always feel

what my character is feeling. I always, I do, I find acting really is important on an emotional level, like what those characters are feeling, how that character is feeling, and I use basis of my life and life experiences to make these characters feel a certain way. Um, so as far as that aspect, yeah, but I don't, when you see people being an ass to people or like getting, aggressive and it's like I'm method I'm like I'm like dude like you don't have to be a dick you're supposed to be playing a nice person

well no that's usually because they're not playing a nice I don't joke but no but but like I think it's a fine line but I also think sometimes it's an excuse to be an ass that's interesting like and get away with things so that's what you've seen is that people like you get into character like that and they won't break

it they don't break it and and and they carry it off and I'm like I'm like part of me doesn't think you're acting man like like it's like I think you're like this 24-7 was there ever seen was that tucco no no no no dude I would love that right bad from from every single person on there was a gym like really like quality very meticulous thought out casting it's on some of the other movies that I've done that that. Now, I'm like, I'm... Speaking of Tuko, you know, have you seen the lawsuit recently? With the hose?

Oh, so stupid, you hear about this, Jen? Man. He was washing his car and, like, he sprayed some kid with water. And they sued him. So it goes a little deeper than that. So I found out some information, and there's a statement by his team. Because I know, I know Raymond Cruz very well.

Like, like, I see Raymond. I probably hang out with Raymond, like, Raymond and Daniel and Louis Moncotta, who played the Salamanca Twins. No way. I hang out with them, like, because, like, I'll go do Comic-Con and stuff with them. That's so cool.

And so, from what I understand, these, like, three girls parked, like, ride on his bumper while he was washing his car, and, like, and started recording him. And he's like, hey, can you move? And he'd flashed, and they called the cop. Like They want attention

They want attention And money That's all it is But I think I don't necessarily Look at you That's a bad Bad thing for him

Because he was in the national news Man Everyone brought him up late Yeah brought him back to the top Right to the top Raymond Cruz So are you saying You need to spray someone of water

We can go down to the strip And just have some mayhem I'm good on that I don't need headaches Did any cast member have like the giggle? Like they would have a hard time. Really? All the time.

We were all laughing. Which scene elicited the most amount of laughs where you had to just redo it because it was too funny? It wasn't about like redoing it or too many laughs. It kind of, you know, Brian having such a comedic background. Like everything he brought into it was very comedic. Even when he did serious roles, he really was good about creating an environment on set where, you know, we had really heavy. content and it was it was very stressful content but as soon as we said cut everyone was cheering everyone smiled especially on the hard days we had full support from our staff from from from

from grips electric like painting like set to every it was all hands on deck every single time it has been single one of the best crews i probably that i've ever worked with and probably will ever work with in my life. How were your nerves in the beginning of the show to the end of the show? I imagine stepping in and being your first, like, talking role. I mean, it's a pretty important moment in your life. Were you super nervous in the beginning?

And I imagine you found your rhythm. I didn't understand. I was such a kid. I didn't understand what this show would be. Like, you know. Did you watch Malcolm in the middle? So I watched Malcolm in the middle, yeah. But that would be intimidating to be like

in the same room. I watched it after Breaking Man. Oh, I see. So I watched it, I watched it later. And I saw it, but I also, I'm one of those people that I don't correlate people in TV and film together. So when I watch a show, I watch a movie, I don't carry the other work. I only see them in that role. Got it.

How did fame affect your friendships early on? I worked really hard on keeping on my friends. You know, I'm still very close with most of, my old friends. Like, do we still talk regularly? No, but, like, I can pretty much pick up the phone and call my best friend from high school. Like, and he'd be like, hey, what's happening? Now he's like, now he has, like, all my friends now are, like, settled down and, like, family of four.

Like, um, but I worked really hard to not lose, like, not let fame affect me, not let the the whatever the the the LA New York what I I really tried and I continue to try to always never let my word get to my head do you remember the first time you got recognized I it was probably I first time I got recognized was probably around like season four five yeah not until later that's crazy again we were really popular in Eastern Europe I imagine now though that like I mean you still have a like a young face like you still look yeah you i was about to say like you look the same yeah you look like basically the same which is great like that's that's a compliment yeah that's a good thing i imagine this being like you know arguably the biggest show of all time

one of the biggest shows of all time certainly that like anywhere that you go it's got a probably i normally grow beard really like today yeah like do you do a mask and like a hat no no no i i grow the beard, people don't expect me to walk. Interesting. But you get looks everywhere, I imagine. Does that, like, there's a complete difference in, like, your life and Graham's life, I imagine, like, going out. Like, it's...

There's accountability, right? Like, and for me, with this role, with this, with this medium, right? You know, and one day you'll get there now. Thanks, man. But, um, but, like, it... Amazon presents Jeff versus Taco Truck Salsa, whether it's Verde, Roja, or the orange one. For Jeff, trying any salsa is like playing Russian roulette with a flamethrower. Luckily, Jeff saved with Amazon and stocked up on antacids, ginger tea, and milk.

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And the impact that I've seen on fans' lives, where you can change. someone's perspective or have a conversation with them that they'll never get an opportunity to do or ask a question like this or you know i get a lot because of my disability i get a lot of disability related like young parents that love the show with a kid with a disability and you know people see you and and now more than ever it people see y'all people watch y'all they they listen to it they rewatch y'all and and there's an impact on them from that and they have their favorite episodes and their favorite structures. And I find when you're out in public, um,

especially having a show like Breaking Bad specifically, there's a certain accountability you have to carry with you. And, and for me, I want every person I engage to leave it with a positive experience, to leave it, leave whatever we're talking about and being like, I can go tackle whatever it is I'm tackling. And, and that's something I, I, I truly always carry with. me in the back of my mind.

How did you navigate dating? Because I saw Brian Cranston on Howard Stern said you were crushing it with the ladies. Not anymore. I just got one lady. Um, I... We got earmuffs.

No, no, no, we're good. We're good. If you can step, no, I'm kidding. No, no, no, she knows everything. Everything. Um, no, you know, I, um, just went out of time. No, it's, it's, I don't know, I think I did pretty well. I'm pretty happy with my dating life.

But would they approach you or would you approach them? Or how did that come to be? I was always leery of people that kind of approached me. I was, I'm more of like, was more of a, be like, hey, you want to, like, I never use dating apps. So, like, I've never used a dating app. They always scared me. Like, that's like... People wouldn't believe it if it were you.

They wouldn't believe it. No, they wouldn't believe it. And there's actually been people that have pretended to be me on dating apps. Because, like, I have friends that use that stuff. And like... Are they successful on there? I think... My friends are very successful on their apps. No, no, I met people pretending to be you.

I would hope not. Oh, do they have you in some pictures? Yeah. I get... My buddy would send me a... screenshot like on Instagram or something be like yo but but it's not me it's Walt Jr. That's honey. Maybe it happened as Walt Jr. Yeah.

Like it was it was pretty funny. I think when we're a swipe on that just to have you ever been rejected once? Oh yeah. Yeah. Everyone gets rejected. It's funny because you know it's people see the show right and they're like the show the show the show and they don't really care about you. Like, like, it's, and, and that's fine. Like, if you love, if you love Breaking Bad and I appreciate it, I'm grateful for it. Like, but like, it's like knowing, and this is something that I've learned to protect myself at a young age too, was, but knowing not everyone's your friend. I think that's something that we, that, even I forget sometimes, but not everyone's your friend. Not everyone's there of kindness.

Not everyone's there to support you. Like, sometimes people really want to. see you fail. And, and sadly, when you go into life, dating, whatever it may be, you always have to remember, not everyone's there for good intentions. And you give people the benefit of the doubt. You give them what you, you give what you get. And for me, I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but also knowing that not everyone's your friend. And you do have to be careful. And especially in an industry like this, like sexuality, like dating, it's a tool. And until you find that right person, that person that, like, is thick and thin, you, you know, you find it and you can recognize it

once you have it, but it takes time. Do you still speak with Brian and Aaron often? Occasionally. Like, I, every once in a while, probably like once every year. So we, we just, did a um yeah we had a reunion yeah we did the um sag awards and we um presented i want to say best drama to succession um i heard that show is really good it's really good yeah it's very good um yeah uh i'd probably say last year or year before last so we all got together and that was the first time we got together in in quite some time so could you just call them up if you wanted to yeah theoretically i mean Yeah, I wouldn't, but yeah. That's crazy.

Yeah. They call, we call it. Yeah, it's not a problem. That's cool. Yeah, I wouldn't be like, I, you. Hey, man, I'm just sitting here, hang out. What's up? I do get people to ask me to call Brian, and I'm like, dude.

That's just, I'm going to tell you what would actually do incredible for you on TikTok. There's this trend where you call people and just wish them a good night. If you called Brian and you said, hey man, just wishing you a good night. That would go insane. That would go. That would probably get 10 to 20 million views if you were to do that. I don't do TikTok though.

But if this were your first... This is your spraying down the people with the hose moment. Yes. This is that. This would go so viral online. You just calling him, hey man, just want to wish you a good night and just pause. See what he says. See, yeah, but I could...

Because he is such a recognizable voice. He does, but I couldn't post that. Like, I don't... I would feel like I would have to be like, hey, I'm doing this to post. You know what I mean? I couldn't. I bet he would love it. I don't know.

I don't know him. I mean, he would laugh. But like I also have worked really hard not like as much as like my life is entwined with Breaking Bad. I've definitely worked really hard to to to not infringe on, you know, Brian Cranston and Paul. You know what I mean? Because like that's that's the number one for the show. I understand that. Like, so I do my best.

No, I agree. It would pop off. We'll just consider it putting, it's in your back pocket, and you could pull it out at any time. I'll hide it back there. All right. I want to bring this up, too. Yes, sir.

I bet this is not what you expected. Oh, no. But you did some modeling. Yes, I did. And I wanted to know the story behind this. I'm assuming it's me with tits. Yeah. I don't need to pull it up.

No, I don't know exactly what you're talking about. What's the story behind? Why? Vivian Westwood. No, I modeled for like four years in, like, in Germany and France. And like across the board, I did modeling. And that was kind of like after breaking bad, it was like, okay, what should I do next, right? What should that next be that's going to make me stand out from the show?

And so that started with modeling. And luckily I was super thin at the time, not so much anymore. But I really wanted to try to create something that was unique to only me, apart from the show. And so I was modeling and met some of the Vivian Westwood people. And so that was one of the Vivian Westwoods. They got like a little bag. Yeah. But some of these fashion shows, they're wild.

Why? And so when you saw that, did they present that to you? Oh, yeah. And then what was your initial reaction? Down. Well, at the time, like, you know, at the time, that type of content was very sensitive, you know? And, like, let alone walking with, walking, doing runway shows with a disability. Yeah.

At the time, too, was something that was very unique. And so, like, like, it was a very unique thing. And fashion is all about sensationalism, right? It's like, you know, what are the statement pieces? And Vivian Westwood was very, she since passed, but she was such an icon when it came to punk and grunge and these types of abstract thinking and eco-environment growth. And so I went into it, though, with modeling being like, yeah, whatever you all want.

I just don't go nude. Like, so I was pretty much up for anything. And they were like, okay, we're going to put this bag. They're like, here's this bag. I'm like, oh, how do I care? No, no, we're going to strap it to your chest. and um how is that artistic i mean maybe i just i just don't

i mean a dude with boobs at what i think that was what 2014 it was a while ago 2014 2013 maybe like the world is very different than than it is today you know what what socially acceptable then and socially acceptable now like it it's so wishwashy like but but when it comes to fashion, it's all about abstract and pushing the envelope and

getting people to think, especially with like Vivian Westwood and Kenneth Cole and, you know, these types of entities that really want to change a narrative and change a perspective. And so I remember at some time, I think it was like Free the Nipple or was one of the really big campaigns at the time because women nudity was like not okay, like it is today. And so I think when it comes to these statement pieces, like I did another one where they covered us in grass. It was like this line, we're walking through these like ruins and like I'm covered in grass.

It seems like a social experiment. It is. It are social experiments. How I feel about it, yes. and it's pushing the envelope you know it's like who can be the weirdest I mean have you seen the garbage dresses

yeah I've seen the meat dress with like lady Gaga Jaden Smith even shows up he wore like the castle on his head recently I saw that I'm thinking what's the point like you could wear a nice well people were talking about it right now

is that so the point is just to be talked about in which point then I get it I get it to be the most absurd you can so people are like yo did you see that you know it's all about absurdity and again, pushing the envelope, pushing perspective. A lot of these types of like designers are very entwined into, thank you.

Entwining communities. And, you know, they're not all from the U.S. They're not all from one country or another. They all have unique different statements that they're making, like, where they're at. Like, if it's in Germany or UK or here in the States, like, you see it more related to societal reflection a lot of times. What's the weirdest opportunity you've had being famous in Hollywood?

Have you ever been able to lick mold? Graham would maybe be $15 for it. He just goes from Jack to meet to you. And then it's Jackster. I've eaten mold. It's okay. You're fine. No, no, no, no.

I would, hey, I'd, 50. 25. 25? I guess with inflation and everything. That's fair. No, it's all good. I'm glad there's no mold. I don't know.

What's the weirdest thing? I've had some weird instances, though, where I've had someone try to cut my hair. Like, well, like, straight up came at me with scissors. And I grabbed the hand and was like, whoa. Wow. Like a fan? Yeah.

Because she wanted your hair? Or was it a heat? No, was she? It was she, but yeah, I don't know where she wanted, but she... Did you let her? No. I don't mess with me, dude. Get out of here.

I'm like, what do you want my hair for? Yeah, no. No. I don't know. I did a survival show. I did the Island with Bear Grills. Oh, that's cool. That was insane.

I had a blast. I really enjoyed it. That's really cool. That's neat. I've done a lot of little odd parts I did a series that was super weird called The Guardians of Justice It was the Guardians of Justice

We'll save you now I don't know if you know the director Addie Shankar He did like Dred, the New Dread He has Captain Laser Hark Castlevania Those types of shows And so I did a series with him

It took 11 years And it's live action And animation and stock motion It's like very, very niche market. But I'm very lucky that I get to do a lot of fun stuff. So we have some rapid-fire questions right before we wrap this up. What is the best breakfast item? Bacon.

When people recognize you, do they call you Flynn, Walt Jr., or do they call you R.J.? Flynn. Really? I get Flynn a lot, which I prefer, like, first of all, I prefer R.J. My real name. But, yeah, Flynn all the time, dude. What's the most common reference you get? Um, I get a lot of people that, that ask me to, like, curse them out, like, how I did my dad, like, call them, like, call them, like, say it just like the show that you're a pussy, like, all the time.

Could you say that? Definitely. Go ahead, yeah. Curse, Graham. Yeah, dude, that would be an honor. Well, here, let me. Let me. Let me.

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It's good. Right? It's almost there. Ten years later. That's great. I felt that. Yeah. Do you feel like one?

No. A little bit. No, no, no, no. I feel like I just got hit by some shrapnel over here. No, yeah. I get a few lines, but that's a lot of people want that. First, I'm like... Do you enjoy doing that, or do you feel like a bit like...

Like, what if someone, like, nearby, you know, didn't really know what's going on? They just see you calling someone that. I mean, I do it very selectively. Okay, so you're not going to be in a crowded area. Well, no, and I'm not just going to go. Like, if it makes sense or, like, whatever, like, I appreciate people appreciating my work. I have, like, so if taking that two-minute time to call them that, Like, I'm cool with it

And it's like they, you know A lot of them will like run off giddy like schoolgirls I'm like, that's a grown-ass man You made my day Oh, thank you That's cool What's the craziest fan encounter you've ever had? I mean the scissors thing

With the hair was pretty crazy I have a phase where people were trying to break into my house Oh, whoa And And it got handled. Wow. That's crazy. What's the most bizarre gift you've ever received from a fan?

Their hair. You received hair? Have you kept that? No. No, I did not. You said you kept everything. I did not keep that one thing. I did get it.

I got a weird box one time and it had to go to a police department. Wow. What's your favorite meme you? ever seen of yourself um i think my 21st birthday name is pretty wild i honestly did not expect that video to still be circulating 12 years later i miss the video what's the video it's it's me over at the um the palm at the uh ghost bar for my 21st birthday um and um and it's just me walking into like the club with my friends and they recorded the whole thing and people cut it.

It's on TikTok. I'll check it out. It's pretty funny. I'm like wired all Red Bull. You didn't seem pretty locked in. Oh, dude, I was so locked. I was like, because like my buddies, we just came from the tables. We were winning.

Like, we went to a show. We were like, we were having a good time. That's fun. What's the best piece of advice you've ever received? I think, I think always be prepared for when readiness meets opportunity. I think that's kind of the best advice that I was given. Who would win in a prank war? You versus Brian versus Aaron?

Oh, Brian all day. Brian would take us both down. Wouldn't be close? Wouldn't even be close. What do you have next on the horizon? What do you got going on in your life? So right now I have a movie called West Hampton with Finn Whit Rock.

I don't know if he'll know of him from American Horror Story and a bunch of other movies and shows. We just did Tribeca. We just did another film festival in New York, well. So that that's really doing, um, really proud of it. It's a great team of people. Uh, I have a couple movies that I'm in talks with at the moment. So I'm, um, been attached to for a few years, um, that I'm really hoping that finally get their funding. Uh, I have another movie, um, coming out. Hopefully, either at the end of this year, um, beginning and next year, uh, that

they're still working on title stuff and where and, but, but really, um, A lot of my work is foundation work based in Texas. So I've been doing this project down there with the community in like community development, parks, parking, entrepreneurship type stuff. So that's really kept me very busy for the past few years. But I'm working on getting on another show. Just auditioning, man. What's your dream gig?

Who would you want to work with? See that, man, that's the hardest thing. It's not necessarily who I want to work with. I just want another well-written show again. I miss that. I work on TVs and movie. I work on TV and movies that it's like it's good, but it's so rushed.

And like one of my things, I really don't like to be rushed. Like especially when I create a character and I try to put myself out there. And it's like, like we're trying to rush through stuff that normally would take, well, usually we don't have budget. But like it's like I really want to be able to go back to kind of how where we had the ability to grow these characters in an environment with well written, with a well-oiled team.

Do you think something like Breaking Bad can ever be written again? I don't think, I don't necessarily think something like Breaking Bad, but it's all about growth, you know. I do think there'll be another show that like caps it, you know. It's just in time. It just, I just, the game was close, the first season,

but it was not, it didn't have that longevity, though. I think what made Breaking Bad so unique was the time that it came out in the content of the show. Nothing had been like it. The type of,

the type of drugs, the type of environment, like, you know, this was 2008. The economy crashed during the first season of Breaking Bad.

So there were a lot of people with a Walter White mentality of how do I survive, how do I grow? And most shows I find today aren't based in realism. You know, I found Breaking Bad was very real as far as what these characters were doing, the family dynamic, the environment that they were having, and their impact on each other. It wasn't like controlled or contrived. forced. It just

made sense. Everything that each of these characters made sense and what didn't make sense was like, well, it makes sense now. You know? And I think that's something that's really hard to capture. And I just saw Vince stayed on to

Sony for more, another four years or so, which one of the best writers, man. Vince Gilligan is Yeah. Even better call Saul. I really enjoyed it. This is a fun episode. You're a funny, You're pretty funny. You got to be doing more podcasts.

Why don't you create a podcast or something? We've been talking about it. It's a lot of work, guys. What y'all do is not easy. I don't know. We are willing to help you with anything. We can tell you what equipment you need, what cameras, what mics,

we could put you in touch with editors, producers, whatever you need, it can happen. See, like, that's, I just, I'm hoping, I'm trying to get, Let me get back on a show. I'm definitely in talks on having my own podcast, but I just want to make sure whatever it is, it makes sense. And I've actually been talking to a local radio station

about doing some radio for local community stuff. You would do very well as a podcast. I'm just saying with your reach, with the connections that you've built, these discussions are very interesting, and a lot of people don't get to hear them. Also just motivation. Yeah. Yeah.

No, I'm, I'm in. I'm definitely in. I just, it's, it's, it's, it's what's, it's timing for me. And I think that's kind of what, why I was interested in doing this and, and Ian's, and I really want to, you know, I'm trying to get back out there more. I've, I've kind of been hiding for the past few years, just, just in like my work and my philanthropy. and I think it's finally time to save us up again. Well, you're going to make some great cameos. And Joshua Weissman's video, I don't know when that's coming out.

Yeah, that's going to be hilarious. People are just not going to be like, wait a second. Yeah. So anyway, thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate it. We'll link to all of your charities and everything you've shouted out down below in the description. Yeah, really, really, really, really enjoyed this. One thing that I think that I did want to mention as far as, like, charity work and growth,

the one thing that I can recommend to people about getting into philanthropy, you don't have to give money. Like this is the number. Everyone always thinks it's like money, money, money, money. It's not. It's about your time and willing to volunteer and willing to put out there. And like I think that's one thing as far as charity work. With my charities, like please support them whatever.

But at the end of the day, it's what's important to you? Like what directly impacts you? I look at one thing and it's called direct impact programming. And it's what do these programs directly do? Who do they directly impact and how are they directly impacted? And when we do philanthropy and we do like organization or community growth, I always remember to look at are you directly impacting the community that you want to serve? And that to me is most step number one when it comes to philanthropy.

I love it. Thank you very much. Thank you. No, thank you, man. Thank you to everyone for watching. Hope you enjoyed. Oh, make sure subscribe to him. Subscribe.

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