The Iced Coffee Hour - Losing Weight | A Serious Talk With My Assistant

Episode Date: July 14, 2022

Alex Nava enlisted Jack Selby's help to start his ambitious weight loss journey, but Graham's finance, Macy, (a personal trainer) deeply disagrees with Jack's unorthodox methods. Elevate your writing with 20% off Grammarly Premium by signing up at https://grammarly.com/icedcoffee Check out the Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/icedcoffeehour  Add us on Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/jlsselby https://www.instagram.com/gpstephan https://www.instagram.com/alex_nava_photography Official Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeBQ24VfikOriqSdKtomh0w For sponsorships or business inquiries reach out to: [e-mail] GET YOUR FREE STOCK WORTH UP TO $1000 ON PUBLIC & SEE MY STOCK TRADES - USE CODE GRAHAM: http://www.public.com/graham  MY NEW COFFEE IS NOW FOR SALE: http://www.bankrollcoffee.com/ The Equipment used: https://tinyurl.com/y78py5g2 Audio Equipment Used In Podcast: Rode NT1, Rodecaster Pro The YouTube Creator Academy:   Learn EXACTLY how to get your first 1000 subscribers on YouTube, rank videos on the front page of searches, grow your following, and turn that into another income source: https://bit.ly/2STxofv $100 OFF WITH CODE 100OFF  For Podcast Inquiries, please contact [e-mail] *Some of the links and other products that appear on this video are from companies which Graham Stephan will earn an affiliate commission or referral bonus. Graham Stephan is part of an affiliate network and receives compensation for sending traffic to partner sites. The content in this video is accurate as of the posting date. Some of the offers mentioned may no longer be available. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I'm going to sit down and I'm just going to start this episode because I set this camera up and the first thing Graham says, can I look at that angle because it doesn't look like it's set up right? How can you tell just by looking at the camera? It's closer than usual. How many times, Jack, does Alex set up that camera and the shot's not good? I don't want to get in between you two. What would you ask you?

50, 50? Okay, so I'll say how many times you set it up and Graham has a problem with that? And that's about 95% of the time. How many times do you agree with? Majority. What? There you go. It's like a coin toss.

It's like I like I like to leave enough space on that camera to crop in a tiny bit so we could adjust in post because inevitably one of you guys always shifts. Okay. It happens. And it's not only you guys, Jeremy, when he sits there for millennial money, same thing happens. So somebody always shifts. And I like to leave just a little. It looks good.

You know, it's funny. I remember the time one of the first podcast we did where Alex uploaded it and I looked at the screen and it was like bright yellow. Remember that? Oh yeah. But then we color graded it. It would color grade but it still wasn't. And we asked Alex to like, does this look good?

You're like, it's fine. When? So basically he's saying he now questions your judgment from that one encounter. Wait, when was that? We are at Jeremy's house playing poker. That was As Seby's. Because, okay, here's what happened, guys. It was whatever the first episode of the impulsive when they went to Brit

England was. They did it in True Jordy's studio. And they have like this very like washed out kind of look. And so you guys were like, hey, can we do kind of something similar? So I, so I shot in a different profile picture. And I edited it and it looked very color graded. Because that's what you referenced that. Didn't look like that though.

What are you trying to say? Honestly, I would say I really like the final product. I think it looked pretty good. Yeah. It looked as though we were under a lizard's heat lamp. Like, that's what it looked like. We practically are, dude. Graham leaves this room at like 80 degrees.

Okay, it gets crazy. Right now, it's probably like 77. And it's only going to get hotter. It doesn't get any seizure here. But anyway, the reason we started this episode here is because Jack and I got into a bit of a scuffle. Yes, a scuffle. Because of Facebook. Yeah.

Now, we... Put it Mark Zuckerberg. Yeah. We should be posting these episodes, maybe clipped up on Facebook. Facebook is a good platform for video creators. and we want to take that route. So I had a guy who's all lined up, ready to go. Jack said, no, I've been talking to this guy for months.

He's going to do Facebook, and he's going to do Snapchat for us. I said, okay, if we get it all under one umbrella, Facebook and Snapchat, it makes sense. Okay, fine. But a week has gone by, Jack, and we're nowhere closer to getting Facebook done. Meanwhile, I have my guy, and I said, I just want to go with my guy. He matched the offer. He's good. He'll get on it tomorrow.

What's the hold of, Jack? So in my defense, you initially worked with your guy on your main channel because you're posting on Facebook. And then you ended up terminating that contract. False. I like how I just stopped these ex-mulse. Because I don't want to keep going on all three tests. It was through a company. He left that company within a few weeks of me signing on.

I kept with that company for four, six months, and I discontinued because it wasn't seeing an ROI. This guy left. This guy comes back and says, hey, your page is actually doing really well. I just noticed it. I left to do my own thing. Would you consider reposting on Facebook? I could help you.

And so I went with him directly. There we go. I was totally under the impression that he was working. Because Graham would say this is the guy that initially did my stuff. I didn't know he left that company. Real time.

Yep, we do work on Snapchat as well. My guy does both. And he could start tomorrow. So what's the hold of Jack? My main thing is the guy that I was talking to. I've been talking to for a while. Yes, he was slow, but I knew he also had some internal issues that he was kind of working out at the moment. But he did tell me the other people that he works with.

And there are some massive creators. Is it bad if I say their names? Maybe. I don't know. I'm sure it's fine. It's probably fine. Yeah, he does like KSI. He does No Jumper, Adam, that we had on here.

And No Jumper was doing like six figures per month with their podcast on Facebook. So I knew that this guy checked out. Adam's a cool guy. He was basically, you know, giving the stamp of approval on this guy, Adam from No Jumper. and I just figured this guy, he's really good. Yes, he may be slow, but I know that the work that he does is guaranteed effective. And I remember your initial impression of this guy when you started working with him. I didn't know that he left the company, but it didn't work out that first time you did it.

And slowly over time, your video started to do better. But initially, they were really struggling. And that's why I thought, you know, we could choose this guy. Sure, he's a little slower, but he has guaranteed quality. And he also does Snapchat. I didn't know your guy did Snapchat, which we just found out right now. We just found out real time. So I just figured we go, even if this route,

is slower. We have basically guaranteed success because of the big clients. You know what I don't like about this guy is that he's not on it. He's not following up with you. He doesn't want it bad enough where he's like, Jack, where's the contract? This has been going on for months. I know because you ask him every time. Every time we come to do this before the show guys, Graham's asking about it. And so this is working out. I wouldn't go that far because Graham has only really been pressing this for the past week.

In fact, one of the main delays in this was the fact that I requested a contract from this guy. and he sent it over to Graham and I, I checked it out. I, like, I sent it over. And I think I texted you actually multiple times. Hey, check out the contract. It should be an inbox. And then you lagged on it. And it ended up taking like weeks until we finally had, we forgot about it.

And then we revisited it. I like the scuffle you guys. So he says weeks. What do you say? He sent the contract over. I forget what happened. It may have been a week. Not weeks.

It may have been a week. But anyway, I came back with some changes. We talked about the changes. We came to an agreement on that. and then this guy had internal problems. I'm sure it's fine. Ever since you came back with the changes, it's only been a week and a half, right?

But ever since the changes, we're like, we're good to go. Let's just get started on it. And it's been a week since getting started on it. I agree. I think it's starting to get into that point where like, hey, man, if you aren't urgent on this, we're going to go to this other guy.

My only logic was initially when you worked with this guy, I thought it was him and the guys. It was just the guys, the organization, and it wasn't working out initially. But this guy has really good clients and guaranteed success. So I figured we go with him. What I like, what I've heard from my guy, and he has big clients too, but is that he was the guy who's really making this happen within the company.

And he went off to do his own thing. I think the company that was with was good, but maybe they weren't on it like this guy is. And also he noticed my page got monetized six months later. Like after I canceled the whole contract with them, they never reached back out and said, like, hey, your page is monetized. He just said he saw, what was it? Oh, he saw the engagement video and said from that video, he went to like look me up on Facebook or something, saw the page,

noticed it was monetized on his end and gave me a heads up. Like, hey, you should turn on monetization. So my guy's on it. And I think we got to make a decision. And my guy did his Snapchat. Let's just do it. Let's just say yes to this guy and get started tomorrow.

What do you say, Jack? I would say, honestly, I would say wait until 9 a.m. tomorrow. If this guy does not get back to me with one final thing, then I'm fine going with you guy. I think it's already gone a week. I, if, if it were up to me, I just say, let's go with this guy. My thing is that probably that guy's really good, but he has such big clients that right

now an unmonetized page starting off from the very beginning is not a priority for him. That makes sense. So my guy, he is incentivized to like build up with the entire brand. So it could be my main channel. It could be the podcast. Now, now I didn't know he did Snapchat. Now I wanted to do Snapchat with him. Yeah.

So it would help to have everything under the umbrella. He's also month the month. So if we're not happy with this. guy, we could always change. Month to month to month. That's true. I'm actually down to get started month to month. Did we do it?

Do we sure? Do we have a yes? Let's get started right now, month to month. See what happens. Because realistically, if this guy doesn't, I mean, I texted him. He didn't get back to me. That was yesterday. Since we're over here, we're having our work meeting and we're filming it.

And we like breaking up stuff that Jack hasn't done. I figured I'd bring up another thing. Maybe a year ago. Yeah, about a year ago. Jack, why are you laughing? Stuff that Jack hasn't done. Yeah. What do you think I'm going to bring up that you haven't done?

that you haven't done, Jack. You mentioned about a year ago. Got my free stock on public, link down below in the description. Yeah, you just got to go to public. com slash Graham. What are you saying? What do you mean?

You're just kidding. Oh, you mean like how they can follow me on Instagram and Alex underscore, not only, nobody wants to say. No, about a year ago, Graham said he wanted to work on

Graham Stephan and Espaniel. Oh, I did not say it. Did I actually say that? No, no, no, no. That was something where I was like, you know what? I want to get started on that.

That sounds really cool. Oh, you did. Yeah. Yeah. But realistically, I've understood that's not that great of an idea because yeah I figured that people that speak Spanish or live in other countries that predominantly speak Spanish probably would not I don't think Graham's content would catch as much because they all have different rules and regulations in these

countries and sure US does have a pretty decent amount of Spanish speaking people I just think it'd be as great of a hit as something that's entertainment rather than or sorry yeah entertainment rather than education what are your thoughts on that I agree with that okay yeah the thing is uh I think 70% of my audience is U.S. based. And when I'm talking to like a Roth IRA or credit cards to get or, you know, getting a free stock on public, you can't do that in some other countries. So it doesn't make a lot of sense. I still think there's a market for that because growing up in a predominantly Hispanic

neighborhood where people don't know about that, I think there needs to be education. But I think that there's a market for a specific type of person who can speak fluently in Spanish to. I agree. I agree that there's a market. I mean, if someone wants to do it, I'd be open to it. if they do all the work on their end, I'd be open to it, but I just don't think it's worth the time.

Yeah, gotcha. Yeah, but you know what? We got a guest on here. We're going to bring in Macy and stir up some drama, right, Jack? Yep. Jack's heart is beating now. Oh, my gosh. But you know what?

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I already wanted to chime in on the last thing. Speaking for, like, the other countries thing, we were just in Canada. And a lot of people are like, oh, yeah, we kind of know who you are, but we don't watch you because it's not applicable, because the laws are different, even in Canada. Yeah, it was atrocious. I went out in public. Atrocious. Barely got recognized. Holy cow.

Barely. Atrocious. Atrocious. It was devastating. That is an atrocity. So we got to build our audience in Canada more. Yeah. It was unacceptable.

In Canada, we were like, yeah, we pretty much only watch when you talk about like Bitcoin because nothing else really applies. That's true, actually. Yeah, Bitcoin content could be universal. Yeah, that's true. Good point. But a lot of the investing, even with real estate in Canada, the whole structure is a lot different.

Spanish Bitcoin channel. I'm happy with that. I mean, they have to be pretty quick on it, though, because some of the Bitcoin videos are so, like, urgent. The turnover would have to be like 24 hours because afterwards the price is going to be totally different. All right. Well, I don't think we brought you on here

to talk about Bitcoin. We brought you on here because you guys recently went on a vacation. And I know that's something that you want to do quite often. But Graham's pretty apprehensive when it comes to vacationing

because he thinks we should buckle down to focus on the business. Now, what do you guys think about that? Is that a soft spot within the relationship? Not trying to stir up anything. Macy first. What does that mean by a soft spot? Like, like...

That's not really... That wouldn't be a soft spot. That wouldn't be a soft spot. That would be a point of contention. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Let's talk about this point of contention. What do you think, Ms? You first.

Well, I mean, you know, I get really stressed out. Like, I will keep overcommitting myself to things, and I get really stressed out. So I don't think that's my place to say, like, we should be traveling all the time. I do want to start traveling a little bit more. But, like, you even know if her Canada, I was getting myself super stressed out because I was throwing around my streaming schedule. Then it's just like, I mean, like, that was tricky for me. And to try to keep my stress levels down.

I was trying really hard. Yeah. Macy met my Canadian family for the first time ever. How was that? Yeah. Do they have accents? No. I think they do.

But they do drink a lot of beer. It's certain words. Like certain words, some people are like, oh, you can't tell until you say about. Aboot. About. About. They're like, go out. And I'm like, I'm like, I feel like you have to do that with your face, too, to go.

A boot. Yeah. A boot. And like, it's about. I'm like, when you get Canadian singers and they sing in English, they always say about or out. So I'm like, why? Why when you don't sing? I mean, people copy accents and music all the time.

So, yeah. But, so you don't want a vacation, right? I'm good on vacations for right now. Yeah. What was that three days? Four, actually. Oh. There's a full four day vacation.

Two full days of travel. Yeah. And yeah. You want to know the funny part. Graham and I worked ahead so that he can go on vacation. And we got probably like four videos ahead. and Graham leaves on Friday, which he used one of the videos that we posted.

But then on Monday, it was the 4th of July, so he didn't post. So we got ahead and we didn't need to get ahead. And now we're ahead. And Graham prefers it that way. Yeah. Now I want to stay ahead. I actually got a video film today. So I could continue staying the same length ahead.

And I want to keep that like buffer. It feels so relaxing to know I have like four videos done. It feels so good. So now that we've talked about points of contention between us. Let's talk about points of the opposite of that. Okay. Now, regards. Yeah. Now, regarding. Yeah, I guess. I guess so.

Unconvention. Is that even a word? I don't know. No, it's not, but that was what made it funny. Decontingion. Points of love. Okay. So, contention. Contingion, it already is a negative. So it gets to be tension. Unconvention. Unconvention. Yeah. So between you two, because I know something recently just happened, the proposal. We haven't brought you on to discuss it yet.

I'm getting so confused about it because we've talked about it on so many things at this point. I know Graham was like, I thought we talked about it on the podcast. It was my channel, but I thought we did it here too. But I just have to know. So confused. Did you cry? Yeah. Yeah, it did.

Yeah, after we were getting off the Ferris wheel, like, is my mascara running? And he's like, no, you're fine. But yeah, a little bit. Like, I didn't like like, like, or anything like that. Yeah. You're laughing. You're laughing because the video that we did together, we were talking about this.

And I think we somehow. Bailey went nuts. She went nuts. She was like trying to put her snoot in Graham's mouth. Yeah, you do that. She'll go, just get like right in your face. She'll want to put her face in your mouth. All right.

So you cried. I did. And were you surprised or did you expect it to happen? I mean, like, because we discussed doing our pre-dump first, definitely I knew it was coming at some point because we had gotten her pre-empt done. And so I'm like, all right, this is kind of an expensive process. He's not going to just do it and be like, all right, I'm going to break up with her in like two months from now. Or, you know, I'm going to do this, but I don't see any kind of a future with her sort of thing.

So I was expecting that it was going to happen like sometime. But I don't know. I don't know how to explain this properly. It's like, you know how in the spring you're like, oh, you know, it can rain in the spring. But it can also rain in fall on the random fall day. So I felt like we'd look in the spring and be like there's a higher chance of rain on any day during the spring. spring. I kind of felt that way about our anniversary. I'm like, there's probably a higher chance he would do it on our anniversary, but I don't necessarily mean or think that he's going to do it on

this day. I just recognize that there was a chance more than like a random Tuesday while we're sitting at home looking like little trash pandas. All right. That makes sense. What else do you want to know, Jack? Back to points of contention. So what is your, no, I'm kidding. Actually, maybe not. I actually kind of want to know. I think it's kind of funny. What is one thing you like about each other and what's one thing you guys think the other person can work on? Jack, what are you trying to do here? Are you trying to stir up some size?

I just think the drama. People like it. I like it. I'll go. I could go. You want me to go first? Yeah, I like,

I like how caring and selfless may see it. She'll put, she'll put so many people before herself. She really cares about the other person really deeply. And I think that's a really important quality that is really comforting and really nice. I agree with that. I came over here for Graham's pool day and I forgot a towel.

And I requested a towel from Graham and Graham was like, you forgot a towel. Oh, Jack, come on. Making a huge deal because I forgot a towel. And then I asked Macy, I told you, I said, hey, I used a towel and you're like, oh, that's totally fine. Just toss it in here. I'll just do it with my next load. It'll be no big deal.

Seriously, whenever you need a towel, just take one of ours. It's totally fine. So I agree. Yeah, she's definitely, she's very sharing. and compassionate. You know what cracks me up about the towels too? I have bought

every single one of those pool towels in there and you're like Jack, you forgot I'm very, very frugal with those pool towels. You honestly have like 30 towels

so I'm surprised you guys are gonna use all 30 towels? Well, it's nice to have them you never know. I bought that many towels that way if someone came over they could just grab a towel

and use it. I don't know. I think we got to use them sparingly. Yeah, right. It was put on my credit card. I don't care. It's like I do

all the laundry. I pay for the detergent. Like, I don't care. Well, thank you, Macy. And when I should tell, like, what's that going to do to my load of laundry, really? Even, like, five. Thank you, Macy. I appreciate that. Graham, now you go.

One thing you think she can work on, maybe. I would say, I would, sometimes the organization. There's things that maybe are on the floor for a little bit too long, things that could be put away. It's odd because some areas, is like the laundry room.

I've never seen a room more organized than that. Like everything is labeled. The pantry. Yes, in the beginning, yeah, the pantry. But we've all kind of like had our fair shit with the pantry. So it's like it's not going to stay like that forever. But then other areas, you know, it could be just, you know, tidy.

But I'm not, I'm not perfect either. I'm not, you know, a saint when it comes to that. But I will go through every now and then just like, I habitually, like, every time Macy leaves, she'll come back and like everything is like made. and tidied up and I just I get on a cleaning spree. All right, Macy, it's your turn.

What's one thing you like about Graham and one thing you don't like? With Graham, I really like how passionate he is about things. He has so many interests and so many things he's really passionate about and it's really inspiring to be around. Like, just as a person, when Graham's into something, he's in like 100%. And that was something like even link with our relationship was really cool to see in the beginning. He was just like, this is my girlfriend.

We had been like, we'd gone on like four days. at this point and you were like we're filming a video for my second channel together. I was for the algorithm. Yeah. And he's really into. But like even like with how he is about YouTube, the fish tank, just, you know, anything he's passionate about. He's a very busy person, but he will find the time for.

And I think that something is just super inspiring and something super cool and something that's honestly like one of my favorite things about him. Things I don't like. I think sometimes, which is so funny because I'm like it's not. meaning for this to be on the same thing as what you said. Sometimes I think your brain, you get caught up in things, and then you just don't have any kind of an organization system or you can't follow an organization system in H.RFC nuts.

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Oh, this is me putting things in the wrong drawers. That's what this is about, probably. Like, and the rare occasion you unload the dishwasher, he'll, like, put all the forks and spoons in the same thing, even though we have, like, all the organization's sponsor them. Or, like, sometimes the big spoons end up in, like, And then over here. It's just different little things like that.

I feel like I'm always kind of fixing where I'm like, where, where's the, the thinking in this? No, there's some of them. I don't, I've never seen this thing before. And I'm just like, put it in a drawer. You've never seen it before? Yeah, it's some random cooking stuff. I've never, I've never seen it before. That's very descriptive.

I don't know. It's like a strainer of some sort or like some weird contraption. I don't know. See, he'll say that and be like, I've never seen it. And then he'll go and he'll make himself pocket. So while I'm gone, he knows where to find it. Oh, I don't know. They'll be like, where do this end up over here?

Why is this here? I'm like, I don't know. It's just it's there. At this point, though, I'm like, who is doing this? Because this is a constant battle I have with the kitchen. I know sometimes it's like the cleaners, sometimes. But like there's stuff I find. Sometimes I know it's you.

Sometimes I don't know who it is. I'll blame it on Alex. Probably Alex. I found a knife one time in one of my pots and pans. Graham. I don't know what that is. I don't know who did it. Graham doesn't even know what a knife.

I don't even use knives. Not really. I use a fork for everything. Same. Yeah. That is crazy person talks. You're telling me if you had something that needs to be cut like a potato or a steak. You know what I do?

Actually, as I stab it, as I stab it, and I just eat it like a popsicle. It's just like bite off it. Like a chicken breast, they'll stab like this and that. That's actually what Kelsey does. Yeah. But I have a better system. I use a fork, but then I use the fork sideways to cut things. Oh, I've done that too.

Yeah. But only if it's like cuttable that way, though. Chicken can be, fish could be, but not steak. You were a caveman. That is what you are. If I could eat with my fingers, I would. Honestly, I'm 100% with you on that. But I know it's not a sight.

Other people probably enjoy seeing as if I'm like mangling. Yeah. I'm fine with Graham, like when it's just him and I, but when other people I'm here, like, okay, stop doing that. Or like, if we're out at a restaurant, I'm like, okay. Like, we can be uncivilized at home. And I use the fork to pick my teeth afterwards.

Do you really? No, I'm kidding. No, he just gets in. there with his fingers. Yeah. Yeah. Super deep in there. Yeah.

That one long nail that just gets everything. Alex, I have to have a little moment in brags to switch back to your camera. I figured out how to get that to disappear on my camera and it took me like five minutes. Oh, we don't want it to disappear. Oh, I was so excited. No, we want that to stay here. Yeah. That's on purpose.

Yeah. I hooked up my streaming set to my camera. So I'm feeling pretty good. Yeah. We like that. What else do you want to know? Well, to be honest. I don't want to be seen as that guy who just like instigates things, you know what I mean,

and creates drama out of nothing. But, you know, since you're asking me, it just seems like you guys went a little easy on each other. Or if you didn't go easy on each other, your guys' relationship must be perfect. And I'm not saying it's not perfect because perfection can still have flaws. But it's gotten good. It's gotten really good. Oh, it's got. So where were we before?

I think at the beginning of our relationship, just there was a lot of adjustments both of us had to make and we learned how to make them together. And so I feel like we've really worked on our relationship together. Like we didn't have this perfect relationship from the beginning. But like there was no one else I'd rather work on on it. And I admit, I'm not an easy person to both live with or even work with. Like I understand that you guys have to put up with a lot. And I'm not always simple. So, uh, I feel like this is a tough.

Like, am I supposed to be like, no, no, Graham? No, you guys can try man. Like, I, I know, I don't think I work that well with other people. Really, I don't. I would say select, I would say select people. Graham's a cat. Graham is literally like the human embodiment of a cat. And I think I am more of the human embodiment of a dog.

You are. So it was, yeah. So it was definitely an adjustment. You definitely very much liked your alone time. And because I was so used to having like, you know, I was one of three. And there was always somebody home and stuff. and always having somebody around, somebody I'm constantly interacting with.

That was like a big thing for us to work on because I wanted like hanging out constantly. And you were like, I will see you on the weekends even though we live in the same house. Yeah. Yeah, for me, because I've always just like I loved my alone time. And like just I love getting home.

I just like piece. It's space. It's just like mentally I need that sort of like calmness to like to think. And to get through the thoughts. And so like. But I think. That was a big adjustment. I think it's hard for people that don't spend a lot of time with you, people that just see you on occasion, to understand that that's who you truly are.

Yeah. And not that you're just some standoffish person who like doesn't care about them or interact with them, right? That's just who you truly are. You enjoy being by yourself. It's not like you don't like them. That's why you're not talking with them. Yeah. So I think that's something that is hard for people that don't truly know you to understand.

And also it's funny you mentioned that you're hard to work with. And I remember in the beginning, it was a lot more challenging, but now since I know you very well, I'm able to to definitely change the way that like I talk to you to be in an engaging way for Graham. You know what I mean? Like I definitely talk to me differently. Well, I try to condense the information that I'm telling you into the fewest amount of words possible. Yeah. Because if you drone with Graham at all, tunes out.

Immediately tunes out. Yeah. No, I, I've learned. And the longer we've been together, the more blood I've been. I'm like, you know, he'll, you'll, you'll see his mind go. And Graham's someone that like, as soon as his brain goes, this is what. he looks like. It's pretty much sad.

But you also notice, Graham will start going, he'll start going. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And he just starts agreeing with everything that you're saying. You can say anything. And he'll be like, yep. Grandma, I'm gone for two years. I'm going to Thailand.

Yep. Okay. All right. Yeah. So what I've started doing to him is the longer, we've gotten, yeah, the more blood we've gotten.

I'm like, so yeah. By the way, you know, I'm pregnant. It's not yours. And he'll be like, yep, yep. And I'm like, Well, because then I know she's joking. And I'm like, I'll be like, what did I just say?

And then he's like, No, but sometimes it'll be like your friend. And I'm like, no. No. And there's been a few times you've been like the, and I'm like, mm. And also another thing is you're extremely blunt. To a point where I'm like, it really surprises me because you call yourself a person who is not confrontational.

But at the same time, you're very comfortable saying you do not like something. For example, like the Alex will work hours on a thumbnail. He'll present it to you. and you'll be like, nope. Or all with the Patreon. Like I drafted up the entire thing. I designed it and I was like, and for some reason that was already my responsibility.

And I went in, I did all the work and everything. I presented it to you. Like, I don't like that. I don't like that. Change that, change that.

I'm like, Graham, you gave me the authority to make these decisions in the first place. And it's fine. I totally get it. But it's something that I have to understand when I start doing stuff like that.

Graham's got worse at this. I would say because of, because of me, because that's how I am. I'm pretty straightforward. You're both very, very particular and very blunt. Yeah.

I like to say I'm like nice blunt, but yeah, if somebody does something that I have no issues with confrontation. But I think honestly. Like normal levels of issues. I won't like go out of my way and avoid confrontation. But if Graham's like zoning out, I'll be like, hey, are you? I'll like put my hand between him and the phone. I'm like, I feel like you're not listening to me when you're on your phone.

He's like, oh, yeah, I'm not. But at the end of the day, I think that that's a heck of a lot better. than not being blunt, blunt, and like hiding how you feel. And I honestly, I really admire it. And that's something that I definitely try to do in my own life. Because if I'm going to act like I like something to someone who's telling me something, I clearly don't, I think we're just going nowhere with that conversation. Because we're not, you know what I mean?

I'm not being honest with my intention. He's not being honest. You know what I mean? Yeah. And there's no progression. So I think it's a great way to communicate. I respect it. Yeah.

I'm not like one of those. Like, oh, you know, I'm not me and I'm just blunt type of girl. out there. I think I'm definitely one of the nice one because if somebody came to me with like a thumbnail like that I'd be like, you know, I can tell how much work you put on it.

I do like the compliment sandwich, you know? Yeah. But like, tell how much work you put on it, but I don't really like this aspect. Can you change it? But like, you know, you worked really hard on this

and I can tell you're getting better. And I always kind of do the like blunt compliment sandwich. And I'll find like, I'll find like, oh. Yeah, he's just like, no carbs. No carbs.

I'll find like two things I like with it and then the one I dislike. And usually that is true with most things. is like there's not like there's not something that somebody will come to me and be like oh you know I hate this whole absolute thing so I try to point out the things that I like when and I'm like and I'm like there we go it's a blunt assessment because I'm bluntly telling you what I like and also what I don't like and that I don't know I think that's what's made me such a good like personal trainer with people too is like when you know I had I had a client who just who was able to do a pull

up and then she's like how is that I'm like you know what you start off you couldn't even get your arms to contract so that's amazing that you're able to do it just next time try holding you know try holding your body a little bit more still your legs are wiggling it's probably making a little bit more difficult have you seen people when they're really straining they're kind of kicking their legs and stuff to get them as you're gonna do that all the time they almost flies like a helicopter yeah a little bit so it's just like you know try not doing that might make it a little easier because you're probably strained i feel like a lot of the times it's harder when your legs are kicking all over the place

because your arms are trying to figure how to stabilize for very rapid movement and then end off with like, but I'm so proud of you. Like getting a pull-ups really hard. And so that I feel like is what's made because it's like you leave them feeling good but also with like

it's the compliment sandwich. Yeah. And I really love using the compliment sandwich. And like I'm really careful with it too not to say anything that I don't believe. Like I won't just like throw out a compliment that I'm like, I don't believe this at all. Like I will say,

genuinely like that's amazing you were able to get a pull up and you know we got it in like a month it's incredible that is so fast but i won't like sit there and like hype somebody up on that or give them compliments if i don't truly believe them either you guys are going to have to teach me how to do a compliment sandwich in real life because um yes i'm blunt at work but i work with graham and jack so it works uh but i think i'm too blunt in real life so i don't think so at all like maybe not I've never noticed it as a problem. And let me explain. So let's take my like mother-in-law, for example.

She'll say, I think you need, or I think that you should do X. And I'll be like, I think that's stupid. Like what? Like not being. You don't need to say stupid. Like what? What does she ask you do? And that is a stupid suggestion.

What she has to do? Like, okay. For example, yeah, go on. Alex, because you're around us all the time. That's just the way we all communicate. You'll be like, do you think this is stupid? I'll be like, yeah. What she asked you to do.

So, okay. No, no, no. So I think I might have mentioned this before. She asked you to put on hand sanitizer. Guys, oh my God, I'm not going to live that down. So, like, for example, one, she, she wanted her, her best friend's husband to, like, marry Kelsey and I. And I, and I, I didn't say it was stupid. I said, I think he's a little weird.

You know what? That's fine. I'm going to sit here as the annoying. fiancee here and say it's your thing wedding. I do. Let who you want to officiate it. Officiate it. Okay.

I mean, I agree. You should let your, whoever you want to officiate it. But at the same time, I wouldn't just say, what's their relation to the stepmom or the mother-in-law? It's just her best friend's husband. So that's someone who she obviously probably thinks pretty fondly of.

And I definitely wouldn't just say, I think that they're weird. Because I just think that's like, feel like you're attacking this person. Okay, okay. Let me give you a different example. So like, a family member recently bought a house, right?

And like my first instinct is like, like how much you pay for it. And like I get these weird looks like I shouldn't be asking this. How much you buy? Oh yeah, you overpaid big time. Well, like, I don't know.

Well, maybe how do you deal with that, grandma's a, you feel out this tweet. You don't automatically just say like how much. But I can't, but that's what I'm trying to say like, I,

I sometimes I feel like I don't have a filter And I don't think about this But you could pry You could just say like You know So there are a lot of offers No you could say like Were there a lot of offers

Like did you have to pay over asking on it? Honestly I would just check Zillow That's what I would know What's the address? The Zestimate comes in under you Is this accurate? Sometimes if I catch myself doing that Because I'm around these two so much

And all the finance guys Is that if I say that to someone I can see They're uncomfortable be like, oh, you know, I'm so sorry. I work with, like, a lot of people in the finance industry and they just kind of ask. And I'm sorry if that made you uncomfortable. Kind of like, oh, just because I'm curious, working around people who are in the finance industry. And usually, like, when you say that, then people are like, oh, okay.

Yeah. I would say most of the times, it's pretty excusable. I don't think that you're the type of person that could mess up so horribly that you actually destroy a relationship. No. Jack, by the way, before I forget, I wanted to ask you this, would you, you, would you, you be willing to become what it takes to officiate a wedding? Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes. I was actually just going to bring that up to you. Really? I was waiting for my. Graham was going to ask that. Yeah,

because Macy brought it up. I was like, that's a funny idea. I was like either Jack has to be the ring bear or he, or he has to be the official. I call the ring bear. Yeah. You could be the ring bear, but we were going to think Anthony too.

Anthony would be a phone. But, but. Yes. Okay. I was actually going to pitch that to you. I feel like you've been around for so much for both of us that it kind of makes sense. I also knew both of you guys

before the relationship even started. You would do that? You're probably the only person that can say that. Yeah. All right. I'm good with that. That'll be funny.

Let's go. I would love to. All right. Oh my gosh. You got to get a haircut, though. Well, I don't know. What is the bride's side? Do you think I should get a haircut?

I just do your hair. I don't mind it long. I just think, see, that doesn't, that can switch the camera. That, like you have had hair. All right. That looks bad. It does.

I'll agree with you on that. Yeah, just as long as you do it. I look like a homozy. It works. I'd be lucky if I look like him. All right, so Jack, speaking of weddings, I've got to bring this up because I think it's a highly requested topic and I figured I'd bring it up on the podcast. We should have another first date on the podcast here as a midweek.

You know, it doesn't have to be, you know, full thing, but having a first date, you know, and just seeing how it goes. What are your thoughts? Okay. So we've done two things similar to this before. We had a girl on that was supposed to be my date, and we also did a quadruble, me, like, blind dating for women. Okay. And both of them ended out with all of the people in the comment section.

She was like, what's going on with this girl? How is she? What's up with her? And I feel like that's not necessarily like, I just don't like answering those questions. You know what I mean? Because most of the time, it doesn't go anywhere. I just don't like answering those questions. I'm going to make a, I walked 100 miles for a Tinder date video.

Oh, yeah. Explain that, Jack. Oh yeah, that's a good point. Well, honestly, most of that was the fact that I wanted to walk 100 miles, but if I was going to attach to a piece of content, it had to be towards a Tinder date. And I feel like that we have so many other good potential guests' opportunities rather than a girl that's coming on here for a date.

Plus, my channel would get like 10,000 views. The Ice Coffee Hour will get more, hopefully. So I don't know. I just don't like answering those questions. I think we should. Let's say you don't get those questions. Would you do it? What if we did?

If I could basically snap all of like the tangential effects of a girl coming on here, I would do it. Yes, I just don't like it if I do meet a girl in real life and she looks me up or I am talking to someone on Bumble and she looks me up. You know what I mean? I think it's that she sees that I had it's a for content. It's just a, we make it clear from the beginning. It's just for fun.

I think Jack needs a date like another content creator. I think that would be really well. I agree with that. Alex, you know what? Let's talk about your weight loss journey. How's that gone so far? Yeah, of course. So if you guys didn't know, I'm on a lot.

a weight loss journey. Jack is helping me out and we started, uh, Jack, how long has it been? I actually don't know. It's probably about three, three, three and a half four weeks. All right. So the first two weeks, absolute hell. Um, but now we're rocking and rolling. I feel very sustainable sending Jack pictures of my food. And I have a couple of things that, you know, I kind of fall back to make. So one of the things in the morning I like to make is like a spinach and turkey omelet. Um, that's kind of one of my go-toes. And I've been just alternating dinners. Um, and, Yeah, what questions do you have about it? So the main thing is I remember we went and got sushi.

This was probably like two weeks ago and you kind of were disagreeing with Alex's weight loss methods. And I've faced a lot of people that are saying you shouldn't be doing this Jack or this bad advice. And I've never proclaimed to be like a nutritionist expert whatsoever. But I do like to think that whatever Alex is doing currently is probably better than what he was doing previously with like the snacking and everything like that. So I want to know what your perspective is on this as someone who knows.

knows a decent amount about it. So my whole issue was that you put him on calories, based off of where his maintenance calories were, not knowing what he was already eating. You don't want to, like, cut someone's calories. Like, let's say even he's eating double what he should be. You don't want to cut out half of what someone's eating down to where they should be at. You want to slowly work them down, not necessarily do a big cut. My whole issue was you don't really know what you should be doing diet-wise for him

because you have no idea where he was starting. Why do you have had it in tracking for three to four days? Why is that bad? So that's bad because it can put your body into survival mode if you cut out too many calories too quickly. This is an issue. See like it's really like unfortunate. Obviously I'm not a doctor when I'm speaking about this. But you see this a lot with people who struggle with eating disorders is that they'll gain a lot of weight back really fast because their body when they start eating again.

Because their body all of a sudden is like, oh, we have stuff and like it'll hold on to. It'll hoard it. Yeah, it'll hoard it. That's exactly the word I was looking for. There's also that and you don't want to mess up your metabolism. Like, messing up your metabolism is awful. Trying to fix that is a mess. And so you just want to make sure you're keeping the metabolism up.

One of the ways to do that is working out. So always in addition to nutrition, I think you should be exercising. I get like if somebody's starting a new nutrition plan and an exercise plan, if they know themselves, they know that they have a hard time sticking to it. You definitely, I get not starting both at first. think that was why you wanted to kind of wait with Alex. And I get that mentality. I think he has at the point, though, where he's been consistent with it for three,

four weeks now that he could start working out. But yeah, it's mainly just you don't want to mess up metabolism and you don't want to put your body into survival mode. Wouldn't that eventually just balance out? Like, let's say initially it's a shock. It goes into survival mode. But then if he's doing it for like a month, then wouldn't that just like set the bar then? You don't really know.

But it's just dangerous and you don't know exactly how your body is going to respond to it. And just, it's hard because even if you go off of his maintenance calories, when I jump on a scale, my maintenance calories don't really account for everything I do. So like I have a scale that tells me where my maintenance calories are at. But cool, I'm working out like hours and hours a week. And that's more calories on top of that than I'm burning. So you could also be putting him into a really, really deep deficit. Right. So my whole logic is we knew Alex was fairly sedentary outside of like, you know, coming here and whatnot.

and I just figured, although everyone has all these scientific methods and all these ways you can get someone to lose weight and do it safely and whatnot, I figure anything that we're trying to do now is going to be better than what he was doing previously because he was telling me that sometimes he would go and he would sit with like a huge bag of chips,

not the fun size, and you would eat like half of it. And that's probably, like, there's no nutritional value. Sure, it's a lot of calories and I understand like setting off your metabolic rate or metabolism or whatever by like decreasing the calories. I still think it's better just to eat clean foods to the point of being full and you'll be okay. The problem with clean foods is like a banana is not even 100 calories.

So I can eat a whole banana and be full, but it's not really, if I have only 100 calories in the morning, I'm not eating what I need to for the day. But if you eat until you're full, wouldn't that generally kind of average out? Healthy foods make you feel full faster. so you end up cutting calories down really fast just by eating cleaner. That was something that before I started doing all this and like I did a contest at my gym and worked with the nutritionist and everything, we looked at what I was eating and I was severely under eating because I was thinking,

oh, well, I'm full because I was eating a lot healthier. But did it lead to any actual impact? I wasn't able to gain muscle mass. And it was very fatigued. And I had to take iron supplements. So that was my, like I didn't mess up my memory. metabolism, thank goodness, but I couldn't also build the muscle like I was wanting to, because it wasn't giving my body enough to be able to build muscle and repair properly.

So it was getting fatigued for a lot longer. I was, it wasn't, it wasn't fun. Definitely then when they put me on, they had me track and they were like, you're, it's just tracking for three days. It's not like he is 600 pounds and I'm worried about like organs shutting down. Or like he's not having the same issues that, for my 600 pound life is having where she was just hospitalized because the lung collapsed. So it wouldn't have been really that much different to have him track for three days to see what he's doing and then just cut him down.

Why not gastric bypass? Seems like that's almost like a sure thing. Like I don't know anybody who's gotten that surgery. Is that the one where they make your stomach smaller? Yeah. But then wouldn't that just put you in a severe caloric deficit and mess up your metabolism? Yeah. I don't know.

But it seems like everyone's done that. I think what people tend to say, Graham, is that you should try everything before gas. Yeah, sure. That's true. I've never personally looked into it. But I know that that can also change, like, how and what you eat for the rest of your life, I believe. Yes. Yes.

Yeah, it's kind of like the nuclear option in terms of weight loss. And then also, too, because you go into such a bad caloric deficit, you also have issues like having loose skin because you're not losing the weight slowly. So a lot of these people don't have to get other cosmetic surgeries because then they end up. I think regardless, I will probably end up having loose skin if I do end up losing that much weight, just because of the size that I am now. And something that I've talked to Graham and Jack about, but not all the people know. And this is kind of what has helped me stay like really focused. I really want to do things that I cannot do now. Like I can't walk into Macy's or H&M and go and expect them to have my size.

It's like, that's just not a thing. Or, like, one of my biggest things that I told Jack is, like, I want to get a pilot's license, right? I want to learn how to fly a plane, which when you start off flying planes, they're generally pretty small. So there's just, like, tons of stuff that I want to do that, you know, I definitely am, like, hoping that, you know, I think so far I've created a routine that is a lifestyle change that I could sustain for the rest of my life. but I've never thought about gastric bypass before. So that's interesting. Just they kind of say it's like the last because like there are you could mess up your metabolism. Like the risks are higher.

And then also a lot of these people will just go back to eating the same diet that they did before. If that makes sense. A lot of them will go back and then there are issues. I have seen it where people have gotten it and then they need to get a second one because they end up just kind of eating and getting themselves back to that point versus. is like the mentality shift of like I'm going to start working out. I'm going to start doing eating better and different little things. I think that's also why a lot of the doctors have the patients lose like 30 pounds,

you know, or whatever before to kind of show that they're dedicated towards losing the weight. Yeah. I have heard that's something that they've started doing now because it was, it has been an issue with that with gastric bypass that a lot of people end up back there. And I have heard that now doctors are kind of like you're going to have to lose 30 pounds in your own without this. but yeah it's just that it can cause more loose skin i mean you could still end up with loose skin afterwards that would need to be fixed but it can end up being not as bad as if like gastric bypass

all right so one more question i think it's kind of we asked this maybe a year and a half ago i want to know everybody in this room their biggest insecurities you first jack me i gotta think of Sound fun. Sure. My biggest insecurity. I've gone on the record and said it. Body hair. Still?

Yep. Nothing. Okay. How about you can't mention the thing that you mentioned before? I mentioned body hair. I mentioned asymmetrical face. I hate my stomach. Hate it.

And I got to work harder to get rid of the line of fat. Like around the midsection, I can't stand it. I hate looking at myself in the mirror because of that. Did you feel really insecure during the Michael Reeves fight about? that? Um, no, because actually the, uh, the, the waistband went above that, so it made me kind of feel better about it. Oh, so you're talking about like love handles. Like the low stuff. Yeah, it's, it's just like, kind of. It's just like around the bottom. It's like a little tube. A tube. I hate it. And part of me keeps thinking like, okay, when I scale back on like making videos as much,

I want to get like, uh, like a really strict routine. At least that's something you can just like, yeah, but I want to get like a really strict routine and get rid of it and like stick with that and get more into fitness. But I'm putting it off. You know, and it's just I'm making excuses. Yeah. Because I could start that today. Yeah. Macy?

My answer was so much different than yours. I don't think I deserve anything good that's happened in my life, to be honest with you guys. And I'm worried that I'm very insecure at some point. It's just all going to fall apart and everyone's going to realize, like, how undeserving I am of it. The ride that steals the spotlight every time it hits the road, that's the Volkswagen Tiguan, its sleek exterior makes a first impression you can't ignore. Step inside to find available

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I don't know. That's a probably imposter syndrome with self. Just general self-esteem. Probably a mix of both. I don't feel like I hate myself. No, but feeling undeserving of it. Like you're not deserving of these things that you have. I personally felt imposter syndrome for sure.

In the beginning of the work that I was doing with Graham, I was like, what led for Graham to pick my email? What led for me to be able to do this work for him? What led for all of this stuff? and after I associate with a lot of other people that would be conventionally deemed as successful, you understand that, like, most of them, they benefited because of connections that they made and, you know what I mean? Like, it's very rare that someone just comes up independently.

You know what I mean? And also, another thing is it's hard to feel good about yourself when you're surrounded by people that are, like, amazing. And we're very fortunate to be around people that, like, are, conventionally deemed as successful. And when you see that all the time, it's like you compare yourself to them. And I think that's just an unhealthy thing. And I've worked on it and I don't have imposter syndrome anymore. And I don't know. Yeah, I would agree with that. And I have the same experience as Jack where I was like, well, how did I get here? And then the beginning, I was like, I don't know,

I just gram randomly picked my video. But then the longer that I thought about it, I think about about like, oh, well, I was putting work into doing TikToks and stuff. And because I was making TikToks, I made YouTube videos. Because I made YouTube videos, I had a video set up already going. Like I had my lights set up and everything. And it helped me be like one of the first people out there. And, you know, it goes on and goes on. And you have to also think about it.

Like, if you hadn't put in the work to upload as much as you do on that YouTube channel, you wouldn't have the subscribers that you do. because otherwise, you know, I would just have 50, how many do you have, Macy? How many subscribers? 53,000. Yeah, otherwise, why wouldn't people go subscribe to me on Alexander Nava on YouTube? No, I'm just kidding. But, you know, it's really the work that you put in, obviously knowing Graham helps, but

because if you don't put in any of the work, you're not going to get there. Everyone knows someone. Graham knew Jason, you know, when he created that other brokerage. you just so happen to be placed in a location that is very near a place that sells a really expensive real estate, you know? A bunch of just things happen by chance, but it's your choice to, you know, capitalize on those opportunities. Alex, your turn. Well, have I said my weight in the past? Yes.

Oh, crap. All right. Well, you got a few options. You got physical or you got the deep, emotional. It's interesting how. I'm almost going to cry. I feel like, yeah, guys went for the physical. And I feel like if you didn't bring that up to Alex, his was also going to be physical.

Let's all, I would love to switch the roles and then you say something emotional. Oh, but let's let's have Alex. Yeah, yeah, let's get Alex to go first. Okay, I'm trying to think. I was preparing for my weight, but I guess I can't use that. No, you can use that. I mean, if that's really your, I'll do a new physical one. All right, let me, you want me to do another physical one?

okay my i only have other than my weight i only have one physical like thing that i'm insecure about and i don't mind sharing it um i'm missing a toenail on my big toe and uh so when i go to the beach and i'm like oh i have to take off my socks and it feels weird um and uh the story behind that is my friend in high school kicked my toe like on as a joke and i guess she has at the right angle and it went sideways and I had to get it removed so yeah alright I think are good

yeah cool cool all right well Macy thank you so much for coming on we'll link to your info down below in the description the same place by the way that you can get a free stock that you can send to the Patreon oh yeah our page we got to talk about it we got to give a shout-outs to the Patreon members are we back oh let's see yeah we're going to be spending a lot of that money

back on um setting up the event of a lifetime we're going to do two events a year. So basically whatever you spend on that goes towards these events. And we'll do something fun. Depending on the size of the group, if it's two people, it's going to be way more intimate. And maybe we do something a little bit like, I don't know. We'll figure something now.

We could rent out a bowling alley, top golf. You know what it would be funny, Jack, if we get everyone chips to go gamble out at the casino. That would use some bit. And we say like, hey, we're going to be doing top golf. We got a private driver, Alex, you could drive us, a private driver down to Yellowtail. and then everyone has $500 to go and we could like put it on the table. That would be fun. I actually really like that.

Yeah. And they could keep and they could keep whatever they win. Yeah. But they have to gamble it. They have to gamble it. But they could keep the winnings. I actually like that. Yeah, that would be funny.

Red Rock would probably let you guys do that. Yeah. You had like your own blackjack table or something. That's true. That would be fun. Yeah, we want to make the event really cool. Yeah. It's going to be sweet.

So Matana asks, it was cool seeing you at the creator clash. Should Jack box at the second event? So I know Macy's trying to box at the second event. She really wants to. made a video on it. I would probably be down to box at the second event, but I just don't think I really want to commit myself to something else that's like so exhausting,

time intensive and whatnot. So I get that. Yeah. I think you would do well, but you would have to dedicate every day. I'd say an hour a day, realistically. If I got in the ring,

I would not lose. That's all I'm going to say. And I would train. It depends who you're fighting to. Graham. What? I wouldn't lose. That's what everybody says,

Jack. Everybody's like, if there were me, I wouldn't lose. Well, guess what? One person out of the two has to lose. That's true. You know, I could be a draw.

Maybe I would lose. I recognize there's a chance if I do this. I could lose. I just like as long as I can get in quite a few good punches, I'm okay. You're happy. Because like some, especially with like people that are amateurs at this, all it takes is like one good punch and you have a concussion because you don't know how to block very well. It's not instinct to know how to block at that point.

So I'm like as long as I get in a few good ones, you just see like spit lying out of their face. I'm good. What's the next question? The next one is why Patreon now? Whose idea was it? The main idea was the fact that we really want to take this podcast to the next level. And we felt like Patreon would be a good way to get us there. And also the event thing sounds super fun to be able to like meet up with you guys,

put out a bunch of money for a fancy dinner and maybe gambling or whatever. That also sounds fun. And I don't know, it just sound like it was your idea though. No, no, it wasn't. It was your idea. What? I thought it was your idea. I kept telling you that you needed to start a Patreon.

I thought it was a big idea. I kept telling you. Okay, it's basically's idea. Macea came up with it. But it's also a good way for it. for us to get up the podcast early, take questions and do all these other things. You were saying no,

and I said you guys should do longer forms of them, just like how Logan Paul has that exclusive end bit where they're answering questions. Yeah, it was Adam 22. Was it that? Oh, you know what? Because he's monetizing and all these other, like, yeah, it was Adam.

And we're like, oh, Patreon sounds pretty sweet. We can offer bonus content and a bunch of other really cool. That was it. Yeah. All right. Well, I think we're good. Cool.

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