The Iced Coffee Hour - Meet The 23 Year Old Making $200,000 Per Month On OnlyFans | Stella Barey

Episode Date: December 16, 2021

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Hey guys, so before we go into the episode, we got to give you a quick disclaimer. This episode contains a lot of sexually explicit content, and I know this is out of the norm, but this guest is someone we are so excited to have on. So if you're sensitive to any of these topics, I don't recommend you watch this one, but it's a great insight into a lot of the details that people are just curious about. And our guest comes from a very interesting background with lots of crazy stories to tell. Mom, Dad, Gigi, I know you guys watch every episode. This is one I would prefer you guys do not watch.

With that said, Pond of the Show. No kids. Welcome back to the iced coffee hour. I'm Stella Berry, and I already know how much they made off AdSense, so I can't say. All right. It's $126,000. Thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate it.

We're trying something new here, and you are, to my understanding, one of the top creators of on OnlyFans. I'm top. 0.01%. How do you know the top 0.01? They tell you. That's right there on the statement. Really? Yeah.

And that's the highest it goes. So there are girls that make much more. and me too, but we're all just lumped in that category. How much does it take to get in like the top 1% versus like the top 0.1%? I think I made top 1% really fast. Probably once I was making, probably when I had around 6,000 subscribers and maybe made 40,000 a month. What?

Gosh. That's a lot. That's a lot. A lot of girls like on there making good, good money. But that's not that hard to get on. Only fans, it's not that hard to do. Then why is it everyone doing that? If it's not that hard, then why...

I think the social aspect, like the reputation, really for sure. I mean, it's bold. Okay. Move. But what does it take then to get to the top 0.1%? I'm curious of just like, if you could give us some broad numbers here, we're going to hook the viewers early on. So, I mean, it takes...

A lot of people can make it maybe one month, but to do it for now almost two years. and being that is like fan loyalty and actually having a personality and a product that people buy every month. But then earning wise, I don't know when I probably hit top 0.01% when I got to 20,000 or 15,000, maybe 15,000 subscribers, monthly subscribers that were paying. And then the money aspect goes up and down like crazy. probably once I made over $100,000 a month. Yeah. $100,000 a month.

Okay. And most of your, because they have like pay per view content and then also subscription content. Yeah. So you pay like for mine, you pay $7 a month to subscribe and you can access the main feed, which is like every, I post every single day and I make that content that day.

So I just post my life sexually every single day, like whatever I'm doing. And then I sell long form. Every girl does it differently. but it's still then you have the messages where you can sell long form content in there for pay-per-view prices. So I sell everything from $3 to $10 in the messages, depending on the type of video. So what does $10?

What does $10 get you? But like what is someone paying $10 for? $10? Well, I'll give you my menus. So I have four menus. So I have a $3 menu that's all my solo videos. Then I have a $5 menu that is all of my videos and videos. Okay.

And then I have a $7 menu that is my boy girl videos. And then I have a $10 menu that is like group things. Got it. And girl, girl videos. So then you're setting off the same things, because you're not doing this custom for everybody per se, but you're setting up the same videos to the people who do it. I actually don't do any customs at all. I take people's ideas.

I always tell, because people have a million ideas that they want. So I tell them, send me your ideas and I might be inspired by it because I often am and incorporate it into my videos that I then sell to everybody, but it's just time-wise, I can make the content that I want and then sell it. Got it. And I don't have to make time just for one video for one person. So custom is just for one single person.

Well, I mean, sometimes people do customs, and then they'll send it to everybody. But I just don't find the need I've got enough up in my brain to just make the stuff that I want to make. Got it. Yeah. Are you ever worried about it becoming repetitive? Like one person, let's say they get a month.

You're like, all right, I've kind of like seen it all. Yeah. How do you keep people engaged to stay subscribed? It is interesting, and I did worry about that in the beginning because in porn, like, girl has a career path. And you start out doing solo stuff. And then you start out girl, girl, and then you do boy girl, and then you do more extreme things and group things. And you always do it in that order. Yeah.

And on my site, I didn't want to feel like I, and I think girls can feel this way. They constantly have to up themselves. Like girls will start with just bikini pictures and then they'll feel pressured into showing more and doing more. And then they've wound up in a situation where they're doing porn and they didn't. want to do that. Whereas I was never in that situation. I just was wanting to make videos that I wanted and I take inspiration from what my fans want.

But I've realized that once they like you for your personality, like they're there for that, I could be doing something completely alone or a group scene and they really sell in the end the same and they enjoy it the same because they're there for me and the energy that I bring, which is why I take my job very seriously that way. A lot of girls don't. Like some people just, or men too, like they just post, you know, videos. And they can follow the algorithm of constantly up one-upping themselves and constantly getting new engagement for that. And I think that's probably YouTube too.

Like people will do more intense pranks, right? Like every time and they're constantly trying to one-up themselves. But the way I've tried, I'm a lazy person in the end. Like I want to do the least amount of work and enjoy myself the most and still have like a really loyal band base. Right. So I've built it that way where they're there for my personality and the energy that I bring to every scene, whether I'm alone, doing something really innocent, doing something really and naughty, whatever it is. Yeah.

Yeah. What were you doing before this? Like, take us back before OnlyFans. I was applying to med school. Really? Yeah, when I started. So you had good grades. You must have had good grades throughout high school, right?

I, yeah. In high school, I went to high school in London, private school in London. And I always had a four point in my whole life. Like, I'm a big school girl. I wanted to be in school for the rest of my life. And then I did four years at NYU. where I was literally home library, home library every single day. I took school super seriously and I love it.

And then I did two years at UCLA straight after that all to do my sciences to then go to med school. And I was taking the MCAT. I was super stressed. COVID had just hit. And so I was doing all my like final really intense labs, like my organic chemistry lab and my physics lab over Zoom. And so I was at home totally isolated. And I'm a girl that likes to go to class. I like to have relationships with my teachers and sit in the front of class so I can focus.

Sure. And so I was stuck at home just out of my element and really stressed applying to med school. And I started talking on TikTok. Like that was when TikTok was booming during COVID. And so I started just sharing videos thinking no one would really see them because I didn't really know how the algorithm worked. And they were all sexual themed. And then I started getting people, I started getting traction really fast.

And people, it was kind of honestly, it was a completely. Like a sexual compulsion for me in an outlet Which wasn't and like I knew the whole time I was having panic attacks knowing it wasn't smart to do Because I'm applying to med school Right. And I'm doing this thing on the internet that I thought was like the secret little hole in the internet And now thousands of people are seeing it.

So did you just think that you could post these videos? No one would see them but it would be your like little fun of the outlet I mean of course it's like a thousand views on a video at first I was like wow Attention yeah so of course that's exciting but I was always like I I deeply wanted to be a surgeon like I I deeply What sort of a surgeon? that. My mom is an obstetrician gynecologist, so she delivers babies and a women's doctor, and that's

what I thought I wanted to do. Okay. But I could have, I also thought I might want to do plastic surgery or something. I just like, I want, I would, I still want to be a doctor someday. Yeah. I want to go back because I want to, I feel like that's one of the most important things about being a human. Like you study what this magical phenomenon of existing.

Yeah. And also in college, I studied the philosophy of life and death. And so I, I'll just. deeply wanted to do that. But then with COVID happening and everything, my faith in society and also realizing that I was going to be a slave to that industry. It's nuts. Yeah, it's not. It's, it's not a great. And it ruins your love of it. Yeah. Were you in the UCLA medical program? I was in a post-back program there because I didn't do any sciences in college. I got all like philosophy. I made my own major in college and it was all policy-based and philosophy-based. And then I

decided right when I graduated that I now, I had studied the public health side and rarely, like public health and surgeons are usually on opposite sides of the spectrum and fighting about a lot of things because it's like population-based outlook at healthcare versus individual outlook at healthcare. And so I wanted to do both and then combine it. And so that's why right when I graduated, I was like, I want to go to med school. So I went to UCLA and I did a two-year program where I did all my maths and sciences. And I got like a pre-medical certificate from UCLA. Yeah. So basically, you were at a point in your life where you were so stressed out with school and, like, panic and stuff like that.

I'm still having a little bit of trouble, like, recognizing why you were posting those TikToks. Like, what was- I'm a very sexual person. So that's another aspect of it. Like the whole time I was going to UCLA, the girls in my classes, intense people do intense things, right? So, like, the girls I was studying with in my classes in organic chemistry and the top physics labs were going to sex parties every weekend. What? doing crazy things.

Like they're very intense. And you find that a lot. Like most of the people at these very intense sex parties are very high earning individuals with very stressful jobs. Because intense people just do intense things. The same as my parents are both very type A. And they sat me down when I was eight years old and told me we are very sexual people. And you're going to have to learn how to control that and not let it control you. So it was that kind of, I've always been that way.

I lost my virginity when I was 13. So my relationship with sex has always been very strong in my life. And at that point, too, I was doing some pretty sexually risky things. So that's what I was talking about on TikTok. It's basically the thing I like to talk about most. It's how I relate to people. It's like I'm passionate about it. And I like sex for the same reason.

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So the biggest thing for me was guilt when I started realizing that I would make more money and that I wanted to go into this as an actual business. Because people started being like, oh, do you have an only fans? Do you have an only fans in all the comments on my videos? And so I was like, what's only fans? And so I downloaded it. And I was like, oh, I'll just post bikini pictures and I'll make like a couple thousand a month before I go to med school just for the next few months. And then every month I was like, wait, the money's going up. And, like, I don't want to quit yet.

And I also had always wanted to do porn, like, my whole life. But I never would allow myself to do that because my parents have a lot of hope in me. And I also love school. I love so many things. Like, if I love medicine, I love policy. There's so many jobs I could do. I love writing. I love, like, broadcast journalism.

So to do porn when I've been set up and my parents have paid for private school, my whole life, paid for all of NYU, paid for UCLA. So that's six years of post-grad school, post-high school I'd already done. And they supported me. I didn't work once throughout that whole thing for money. I worked for volunteering a bit. Sure. So the biggest part was that they'd invested so much money in me.

And to then tell them, hey, I'm actually going to do porn was a huge deal for me. A huge deal. And how did that conversation go? like I didn't tell them. Thankfully my whole family's not on TikTok, including my little brother because he's anti-China having all his information. So thanks. All right.

But now he knows and he's very proud of me. And so is my whole family because they're super open-minded. They never pushed me towards any career. They've never pushed me to do. They never even pushed me to have good grades. They were just like, do your best. And so I did know at the end of the day I'd be okay if I told them I was doing anything.

Right. But I braced myself for them never speaking to me again. Was that something you were willing to sacrifice? Is that like you're willing to risk it? Yeah. I mean, so I was doing this for a couple months and I knew what I wanted to do. I knew at this point that the porn industry was immensely because I had done so much research and I love porn stars. Like there's a lot of them that I do idolize, not all of them.

But there are certain ones who you, when you start looking more into industry, you realize it's run by people who have, normal lives and families and like live in normal neighborhoods and make a great amount of money every year and you don't really see that when you're just a consumer of it. Yeah. But I had done my research and I knew that I could make, I mean, internet money was the future as well. Like I knew that internet money was unlimited, whereas the money going into medicine was not. And I also knew that I only had a certain time frame that I could do this job really because, or at least market myself at first because it was a young girl. Like I'm not, I'm going to do much better if I start young than if I start at 40.

So I already knew that it was a smart decision for me, but I still went to bed every night before I told my parents, having a panic attack for about a month, thinking, am I being smart or am I ruining my life? I knew that my values aligned with porn. I knew that I didn't think it was wrong, but then I was like, but do I need to do what society thinks is right? Or what, like, am I destroying my life by trying to think that I can just act

within my own values? Sure. And I went to bed for about a month every night having an immense panic attack. Like really, it was really hard. But it made me justify this job to myself so much that no one can convince me now that what I'm doing is wrong. I'm really proud of what I do. And I was proud to tell my parents.

But I waited until I was making $40,000 a month. And I knew I could support myself. And I knew that it was going up, which was about five months in to tell my mom. And then when she figured out how much I was making, she was like, you're making more than me. and you don't even have to work. And so she, I mean, she thought I went crazy for like two days, but then she started realizing that I now have so much time. I can just go and walks with her.

I can hang out at her house. I'm not studying 24-7 so stressed and also relying on her for all my rent and money. But I was prepared. I got to the point where I was like, if they never speak to me again, like that is something I'm prepared to do because I want to live my life in a way where I feel challenged and have new experiences and where I don't die feeling like I lived my life because I didn't want other people.

people to shun me. Yeah. Were you ever worried though about like a algorithm affecting something or like something happens to only fans and all of a sudden like Apple just takes them dead of, of course. Yeah, I was so worried. Yeah. But, um, but it was also having confidence in myself, which I think I, I could have never done this job if I was 18 fresh out of high school. I would have never had the self-confidence. But after six years of school, I knew that I understand better than most people how to make something work. Like I'm a super hard worker. and I've taught myself enough, like, in terms of all the different things I've done, that I can do whatever I want if I work hard enough at it.

And also that I see patterns in society really well. And that I constantly am proving to myself that if I act on that, I really can sell about anything that I want. And I can do about anything that I want. And so my confidence has gone up, like, crazy in the fact that even if the algorithms change and there's new sites or anything, that I will be able to find a way to make it profitable for myself. Let's talk about this trends. What trends are you seeing now?

I think what I see, so what I see, I studied philosophy in college. So I look at things through that a lot. And I realize that vulnerability and intimacy and human connection is so powerful. Like so, so powerful. People crave it and they respond to it. And it takes a strong person to put themselves out there in a way that makes yourself actually vulnerable, actually have flaws. and also draw people in with that.

And also creating a safe space where people feel understood and their inner desires and their inner thoughts that they think, but they never tell people, is expressed. And so I knew that if I can create a safe space for that, and if I can create videos that are mildly controversial, but also represent my views on the world or the things that I think are okay, especially sexually, it's controversial enough to create a lot of comments and engagement,

but it also gives people a feeling. If you can make people feel a certain way and feel understood and feel, like connected to you through vulnerability and feel heard, you have so much brand power, right? Like you can really sell anything through that. Can you give us an example of something that would be controversial? Or like what you would Yeah, I mean

As an exact I'm just curious, yeah I mean my The first TikTok I ever made Was about how I lost my butt virginity In the back of my ex's car On a first date And he was an ex-marine

From the veteran's homeless shelter That I was working in So that is like A very crazy sexual experience That is also super controversial And shocking, right? Okay And I talk a lot about that kind of stuff.

Okay. A lot of backdoor stuff. So doing porn was never completely out of the realm of possibilities, at least in your mind. Yeah. In my mind, I was so sexual. Yeah. But at what age do you think like, okay, this could be a potential like career choice? I never thought it could be a career choice until I started making TikToks and I started

only fans. And I was like, no, there's no way I'd do porn. I'm just going to make money for a few months. And then I realized, wait, like, I have a lot of fans. like I have I'm getting getting the opportunity of a lifetime right now and I either take it or I don't. And so I decided to run with it. But I had already at that point amassed a good amount of followers. I was probably making, I mean, in the first month I made $8,000.

Next month I probably made $20,000. And so then I was like, okay, I have paying people here and everything's just continuing to go up. Do I take this opportunity or not? And I was like, this is the opportunity of a lifetime. I'm like being handed to me. Right. So I'm curious, what do you do with the money? Where does it go?

Before I told my mom, so about for the first five or six months, I was being fully supported by my family and everything, so it all went to savings. I didn't spend a penny of it. So that was amazing. Then when I told her, it was right when I told her because I wanted to move out of the apartment she was paying for and move into my own and pay for myself completely because I was a financial burden on her. Yeah.

And so then I started paying rent with a little bit of it. And I really had no, like no expenses at all. I had no write-offs. I had nothing. I had my iPhone and myself. That was it. I didn't have Sawyer. I didn't have an employee.

And so then all my money went to savings. And my savings just shot up like hundreds of thousands of dollars within the first eight months of my job. So you never had expensive taste? I was raised very privileged. And, but by parents who were both dirt poor growing up that worked really hard for their money. And so they, I was spoiled as a kid. And then I learned how to handle money really fast.

Like in college, my dad gave me an unlimited credit card so that I wouldn't tell my mom about his mistress. No. And I racked up a good $200,000 in six months. No, you didn't. And he didn't punish me at all. Wait a sec. So we got to think about this. So how did you find out?

So I'm taking you found out about the mistress and then he said, okay, here's a credit card. And what credit card was it? Because he's getting the points. It was an Amex. It was an Amex. Platinum, I'm guessing. I don't remember. Or the black one.

You would know if it was the black credit card. It was not black. It was platinum. It had to be. He wouldn't give you the gold. No way, not for 200. No. All right.

So I'm guessing he knows now because you just said that on the pocket. Wait, what do you mean? No, he was aware of the two. Oh, my parents are divorced. My mom made me go through every single transaction on the card because she got the bank statements in the divorce. They accidentally sent them to her house and she was like, wait, this has your name on it. And then she figured out all of it. Tell us a store.

Oh, wait, hold on. So what happened? Yeah, yeah. How did this, the mistress come up? So we were going on a, gosh, I could start so early. I mean, my parents, I grew up in Montana in a tiny ski town of 6,000 people. My dad worked for a finance. He runs a financial firm based in L.A.

But he just did everything remotely from Montana because he was too stressed out in L.A. And then when I was 13, he had the opportunity to open up the international side of his business in London. And so we moved there within. I mean, he figured that out. And two weeks later, I was starting school in the center of London, in a private school. Crazy. Okay. But first, I want to think our sponsor, Grammarly.

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That was because he was already done with his marriage and his family lifestyle and he wanted to get away and he basically said, like, my mom didn't want to go. My little brother didn't want to go. And he was like, I'm going. You can come with me or not. So that was the start of that already. Then we all end up going to London and my parents are like, I didn't know from when I was about 10 years old. I knew that my parents were going to get divorced. They just didn't have like a good marriage. And so, I mean, I think I knew he was cheating on her always. So that wasn't that big of a surprise.

But we had a family trip we were going on to Greece. And the night before he said, I'm not going. And he, like, threw his ring at my mom or something. And instead he went to Ibiza with his friends. And that's where he met his mistress that weekend. And my dad and I were always super close. And so he just told me about it. He was like, I met a girl when I went there instead on the family trip.

And about two months later or so, I think she was like living in her house. I don't know the exact specific. But then how did your mom not know about the mistress? So he, after that Greece trip, my parents got in such a bit like, we're so separated. So even though they were so married, he basically canceled my mom's visa, like the visa to stay in the UK. Not the paying visa, but the visa to stay in the UK and canceled my brothers because they got it through his work. And so they had to move back to our home in Montana. He basically forced them back there.

and she stayed married to him, shockingly, but that's because he was moving in his mistress into the family home in London. Oh my gosh. Yeah. So you lived with your dad and his mistress? No, so I was already in college. That was the summer before I went to college. So I wasn't, my dad waited for me to leave the house.

And then he was like, all right. Got it. Sending your mom and brother back to Montana. No, it seems like you received special treatment here. is is how is the really his relationship with your brother and your your mom um he with my mom he was not the most respectful um but very like close he he definitely has like a narcissistic personality disorder i think my dad is an absolute genius but he's not the best like socially it's that kind of everyone loves him and he's very charismatic but you know that inside he's very insecure

when you live with him you learn those that things those things about him and him and i always had a connection like he's wild and he's so smart and And so my dad and I were super close growing up. And then my mom and brother were very close. And so he wasn't very respectful to my mom. And, you know, would just go out drinking all night and that kind of partying. He was crazy. And she was very stable.

Took care of the whole family aspect. I mean, my mom is a surgeon and very type A. They're both very type A. But she retired when I was a kid to raise my brother. Right. And then so my brother, he wasn't very sweet to me either. I mean, he was kind of, he was much harder on him than he was on me. I mean, I could steal money from his safe every time he'd leave the house and go

shopping with it. I'd sneak out six nights a week and go clubbing. I would date, I was dating a 26-year-old when I was 15. No way. Yeah. And my dad didn't punish me once. My mom would be yelling at me and my dad would come in the room and be like, Shelly, can you leave?

And then she would leave. And he would be like, he'd sit me down and say, I understand. I went through the same type of. of stuff. Your mom gets very riled up about this stuff, but I understand. And that's all he'd never punish me, even though he'd punish my brother. So I think he liked the validation of me just being this wide-eyed girl, being like, okay. You're my like idol. But he was not a disciplinarian for me at all. And he definitely was for my little brother. So then if you have such a great relationship, why did you charge 200 grand? Because that to me seems almost like a punishment.

He told you and trusted me. I mean, see how, like, even in high school when I was stealing money out of a safe to go shopping, he never punished me. He knew I, he'd know I'd do it. And he would catch me on it. Why didn't he care? Do you know why? He just didn't want to punish me, I think. He's always been like really a yes man to me, I guess. And so in that case, too, I mean, he makes a lot of money.

He runs a hedge fund in London. And he spends his money. He chases his tail like crazy. But he doesn't like spending money on other people. But maybe I was the exception for him. Because I always, I always yes manned my dad right back. Whereas my brother and mom didn't do that. I'd be like, where do you want to go tonight, dad?

I want to go there too. Like, I was just this little mini-me. Sure. So I think he loved that. And he would pay for that. Got it. And then he gave you his Amex and you spent $200. Yeah, I remember on my birthday.

At my birthday, he was like, just don't tell your mom about the card or about his new girlfriend. But the thing is, like, he didn't have to tell you about that. And he didn't have to give you a card to keep you. He didn't have to do a lot of things in his life. He's not smart in that aspect. Right. But I feel like it wasn't about like your, it didn't seem like a bribe to me because otherwise he would just come to you and say, hey, listen, just keep it between us.

We'll deal with it later. And you would have done that. Yeah, I would have done that. So why 200, why do you feel bad about that? Oh, why did I spend that much? That's a whole other thing. I mean, I was 17 years old living in Manhattan for the first time ever. And I was shopping.

I was eating out for every meal. I was partying. I mean, I just, I had never. been taught like I'd always had money that my parents gave me like I never had been super had to really budget but I'd never been given something like that like that's why I used to steal money out of a safe because I wanted to go shopping and they wouldn't let me and they're not my parents aren't big designer people or spenders on that kind of stuff and so I just I mean you can't put an unlimited credit card with and not say only use it from he never said use it for

emergencies they just said you know use it all what you want and I was 17 in Manhattan what was what are you living alone what do you expect? You were living alone, 17? Yeah, I was living in a dorm for six months. And then I was living in my own apartment. But yeah. What was the craziest thing you bought? Honestly, it's sad.

I didn't really buy anything crazy that I can think of. Like, I just bought, I don't know how it racked up that fast. That's a thing. Like, I was 17. I didn't realize that every sushi dinner you buy and every, like, little sweater and is just so expensive. But I bought a lot of, I didn't buy, like, designer, but I bought expensive clothes. I loved shopping for clothes.

So that was. Wait, you said that was six months? Or how long was that? Yeah, it was about like six or seven months until I had, because at the same time he was cutting off my mom and my little brother. So my mom was living off credit cards in London. She had gone back there because my brother had begged because he didn't want to live in Montana anymore. All his friends were in London now. So she went back there.

She went to school. She got into a school there to do health policy so that she could get a visa and be there with my little brother and put him through school, the rest of his high school in London. And so she just and she had no, he cut her off from everything. He had all the money in the divorce overseas. So she got nothing. And she was living off credit cards. And he was completely iced her out, like didn't answer her calls or anything. Meanwhile, I am racking up so much money on his card card in Manhattan.

So I had immense guilt every night. So about after six or seven months, I gave the card back to him. And I was like, I can't do this anymore. I want to learn how to budget. I want to be responsible. I don't want to buy things and it's not worth it for the guilt. So I learned that really fast

and I gave the card back to him and after that I lived he gave me an allowance of I think $800 a month and I lived off that so easy. Like I think I got the shopping out of me my whole childhood and then then that big phase and then I was like

I don't need any of this and I went completely simplistic like I don't buy any designer I don't buy much at all. Is that the same today? Yeah. So what do you? Maybe in the last few months, I've been treating myself to a few more things. But up until then, all, so basically all of my college career, all of the three and a half last years of NYU and then the two years at UCLA, I was so frugal.

I wouldn't spend money on a thing. I would just had no clothes, like gave everything up. I would sell, I actually sold all my designer clothes that I bought my senior year of, college. I sold them on Poshmark and made like $10,000. So I was like, that was all the stuff I bought with his money and then I sold it all and I had a good money back. Yeah, I got the money. I got some money back. It was helpful for me. That's interesting. So now what you told me earlier, which I found pretty cool, is that you moved to Puerto Rico. Yes. Do you know this trick? I live in Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico. Yeah. I moved there in May. With the Puerto Rico. What? Yeah. For taxes. Are you serious? Because I want to hold on to as much of my only fans.

money as possible. I want to be there during my highest earning years, which this says very likely going to be one of my highest earning years. Can you give us a ballpark of what you think it's going to be? The IRS is watching. Luckily, I do everything very legally. So it's good. But I mean, my highest earning month thus far, which has been not that long ago, probably four months ago, was I think 285,000. Not that. And I mean, there's girls that in the top 0.01% that make 700,000 a month. So there's really no cap.

It goes up and down a lot. Yeah. But what was it, Corinna Cop? She made $4 million in like... Two weeks. Yeah. See, that's the power of celebrity as well. Yeah.

And Belle Delphine, what was she saying? A million a month? A million a month. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know if she's still doing this sort of numbers? I have no idea. And I know with a lot of girls.

girls like especially when they have celebrity power that first month they make crazy money and then it's up to them to stick with it like with me i did it so different where i built up a fan base from literally zero like i'd never done social media before and then created a product where i keep loyal fans like i i keep a lot of people every month resubscribing and i mean there's a lot of girls that have no fame at all that make a million a month like you don't even they don't even show their faces but they make tictocks and they don't show their faces in them and they have have such a niche that they literally can get all these people to pay. Can you walk us through like a like an average day? In my life. Yeah. Like in terms of like a work day. Like I'm just curious like what time you wake up like if you have a routine. Yeah.

If you have like a do you stick with the schedule? Is it just kind of like I need to get these things done? It's whenever I get them done. It used to be more of a schedule because I did have another job and I worked for my mom for a while in her medical office. and but ever since I stopped all my other jobs and this has been my main focus I wake up I stay on a schedule in general always I'm pretty much a home body like I don't party or do anything like that so I go to bed pretty early and I wake up probably around 8 or 9 a.m. And then I just take nudes all day and when I had a boyfriend I would I mean we had a schedule where every day

we'd film a porn together like just like we'd wake up in the morning. I want to have morning sex and we would just film it. And that was an amazing lifestyle. Whereas now I'm single. And so now I kind of just take nudes and film the sex I have with myself every day. And then sometimes I fly my friends out and or my cousin out too. I do stuff with my cousin. Biological?

I mean, we're not blood related cousins. It's by it's through marriage. Yeah. Oh. But still. Still. Okay. Jack got excited.

Who was blown away from one second. I mean, that's like part of the craziness that you can market on the controversial, the control of controversy. And people enjoy that. Yeah. I mean, that's taboo incest is the most viewed genre in all of porn. I have two questions before I forget. One, do you find that it makes a difference for your earnings between being single and being in a relationship? I definitely took a hit the month that I was going through a breakup because I wasn't fully sure how I wanted to make content because I'm great on my own, but I personally enjoy having sex with other people.

Like that is my favorite thing. And so I'm going to be enjoying it more. I'm going to not burn out as fast. So it definitely makes a difference for me. I think that girls can make, there are girls making a million. a month with no celebrity power that do all solo stuff. So it's very possible. But just my own niche and my enjoyment levels and my charisma on camera are better when I have a man with me.

Girls are good too, but men really like. Do you worry that that would ever impact a future relationship knowing that all that content is online? Or if it maybe makes someone feel insecure or if you're like, well, now I just feel like if I am going to be in a relationship now, it's all going to be films. Like, are you worried about that at all or not so much? I just feel like if I find the right people. I've been lucky in my past relationship. We dated for a year before I decided to do OnlyFans. And then I was doing it alone for a while.

And then he wanted to join in. I mean, he was homeless at the time. So he had no other job. And he was very open-minded sexually. Sure. But I found most men are. Like, if you want them to film a video where their face isn't in it, they're like, sure. I'm flattered.

I'd love to. More men than I would have initially thought. So I'm just not that worried because I know I can make my career with or without a partner. I don't need a boyfriend for it, especially now two months after my breakup, I've found a good. I mean, I love, like I now can fly around and work with people that I idolize. Got it. Or men that I have good charisma with that want to be on camera. And if I would happily be in a relationship with someone where we didn't film it.

Got it. And if you were in a relationship with someone where you didn't film it, would you still like be doing stuff with other guys and stuff? I definitely want to date. Like, I like people who are very free sexually. And I like, I find people very often who understand the difference between sex and love. For some people, there's no difference. For me, there's a huge difference. What's the difference?

I think I make love to everyone when I have sex with them. But there's immense difference between, I just don't see sex. For me, I wouldn't feel cheated on if someone had sex with someone else for work or for whatever, because they find them attractive. Because when you go to bed every night with that person and you try. trust each other with your lives and you you have that that connection that you know is different it's just that's the magic of love to me and you don't have that with everybody or just people you have sex with do you ever feel like you could be in a monogamous relationship yeah i've only

ever been in monogamous relationships so this is my first time like i did only fans and i didn't have sex with anyone except him for two years and that was my highest turning months on only fans So I was able to be fully monogamous and do it. And before this last two months, I've only had sex with five men in the last seven years. So I'm like a very, I'm a relationship girl. Like I,

the reason I think I have such a good relationship with sex is my whole life I've had sex with people I'm in love with and in long-term relationships with. And I have sex every single day, sometimes multiple times a day. And so I've learned so much about myself and I'm comfortable with myself sexually. And you can't do that if you're having one night's dance.

Because you're just learning about that person for the first time. If you're in a four or five-year relationship, since you're 13 years old, you have a lot of sex with people you're very comfortable with and you explore a lot more things. Now, I'm curious. With your ex, do you, do you, he's seeing how much you're making and he's like, yeah, I'm in them. Like, you'll technically now, this is like half months. Yeah.

Did you guys ever get into disagreements or do you, do you give him something? Or like, what about people? Yeah. With him, it was really hard. because he was, so I was working in the homeless shelter, a VA homeless shelter that was for 30 veterans and they lived there for six months at a time and it's like harm reduction shelter

so they all have mental health issues or drug addictions. And I found him there and we just had a connection immediately and we were friends for about six months and then we started having an affair basically like not allowed and in secret. And then I quit that job and we still stayed together and then I started OnlyFans about a year in. and it was always me.

Like he doesn't, he's a genius. Yeah. But he's bipolar. And he's, he was an alcoholic, so he's sober now. But he's a genius, but cannot work.

Like bipolar and been to nine psych units and refuses to take medication. So his brain is so creative. And the most magical person I've ever met. And I truly believe, like one of the few geniuses I've ever met. But he cannot work. And he doesn't want.

to work. And that gave me the confidence to start this whole job and to make my life how I wanted to and basically make my dreams and fantasies into my reality. And so he did he was like a muse for me. And I think that provides monetary value, even though like since the first day I met him, I supported him financially. And he never put in, I mean, he, he doesn't even, he didn't even have a phone, let alone a computer or even know how to log into his bank account online. Yeah. So he was very aware that I did all the work and he was shocked when I started making this much money because he was like, how do you even do this?

Like he has no self-confidence himself financially or work-wise. And so he always really respected what I did and he knew that he could never do it and that I could do it without him. And so it was never like he felt like he was owed a percentage or anything like that. Got it. Then when we started filming videos and everything, he, I mean, he's so creative that he was amazing with filming and directing videos. And so in the beginning, I used to pay him.

I used to, because I wanted him to feel respected. So I'd pay him like, okay, if we filmed this kind of scene today together, I'll pay you $600 or I'll pay you $600. Wow. And I would just deposit it in his account. And then, of course, like, he'd just spend it on rocks or something. Like literally just gems or like, you know, something. They're minerals, Murray.

Just wasting it. And so then I was like, okay, you need to get a savings account. Like, you need, if I'm going to be paying you, you can't just be throwing this money away because we're, like, we were so in love that I wanted. wanted to be with him for a really long time. And so I was like, the money is better with me or in your savings account because then you'll actually hold on to it and it'll be yours someday when you need it.

So just running through it. And he didn't like having the money himself either. So then, I mean, then we got so about a year and a half in. So all of our expenses were the same and everything where I just, he had my cards always. And so he would just spend what he wanted. And I trusted him to spend it wisely. It's like a married couple almost. You know, he spent it so wisely and he was very respectful about it because he was just thankful he even had a house to live in.

Like I, we broke up about a union and he went to a psych unit and I didn't think I'd take him back. And then I did. And I went and picked him up from the psych unit. And I was like, I'll give you a place to live. I'll put food on the table. And I'll give you a purpose. If you want to work for me, you can. You can film these videos and you can have a responsibility, which is very important to someone who's recovering from a mental health crisis, but also someone who's trying to stay sober.

Yeah. And I cared about him and I knew he was so smart. So I did that. And so he was immensely thankful to me always because he knew I didn't need him for it. But now, then we broke up again because he went through immense mental health crisis a year later. Yeah. And he's actually just got out of a psych unit last week and he's in a homeless shelter right now. And I sent him five.

I couldn't get him out of my house. Like he was in a full on psychosis with schizophrenia and everything. Oh, geez. And I had to leave my own home and he trashed it. And so I was like, I couldn't get him. him to go to psych unit no matter what I did and so I was like I will buy you a flight and I'll give 5,000 dollars to go anywhere you want in the world and just get out of my house like I can't even work anymore and I can't get you to go to psych unit I can't get you to help yourself and so he

wanted to go to Florida so I flew into Florida and I gave him $5,000 and the $5,000 I mean he was manic like yeah but I just had to give him what he wanted and I knew that was a loss he spent it in seven days maybe less he bought dresses or friends to not at all and so I mean he bought dresses he was getting his name He was getting acrylic. This is an ex-marine, like a manly, simple man. But in a manic episode, they're going to spend their money like crazy. He literally had acrylic, like long acrylic nails on.

Like he was wasting the money in a second. But I had to get him out of my house. And so then, of course, he'd been begging me for money saying, like, threatening me, saying that he was owed so much money, saying he was going to sue me. but every time that I like either shut off his phone or didn't send him more money, that's when he go get help. That's why he went to the psych unit the first time, the second time.

He's been in four psych units in the last two months. And so I realized like I'll give him money when I feel like he, because I love him and I care about him and people like that I hold on to for the rest of my life even if I can't have them in it. Like I'm somebody who will send him money if he ever really needs it. But I wasn't going to tell him that while he was manic. Yeah, of course. So every time that I would cut him off, he'd actually go get help for the first time

instead of just being a maniac in society and wasting so much money, which he wouldn't want to do anyway. Did you ever have him sign a contract? No. Oh, I had him sign a model release form basically. So I own all the videos that he shows me. And I have the rights to them and I can post them where I want. And that's a contract. It's pictures of him with his ID, everything.

Okay. So they are all my videos and I can legally post them. But I never had a contract with him where it's like, you're paying. this much for this. But luckily, he is a good person when he's not out of his mind. Sure. So now that he's coming back around, I sent him, I sent him money. I sent him $10,000 two days ago because he's in a homeless shelter.

He's taking his medications. He's working with them to get benefits and things to take care of him. He's really like, and he's not begging to come back. Like he understands that he ruined it. It's been two months of me dealing with cutting him off from everything. But now I feel like, you know, even if maybe legally he's not owed anything because I supported him and gave him an amazing lifestyle for, I mean, he knew he did no work all day. He just go up and paint all day in his studio and sometimes have sex with me and film it. So he knew that he wasn't owed that much.

Yeah. But I feel like he was amused to me. Like I never would have done this job without him and the impact he had on me. And so I have no problem giving him $10,000 or $5,000 when he needs it, even though I'm trying to. not give that to him right now all the time because it's like a parent role because they'll be I mean he'll be dependent on me forever if he never finds something that actually pay for it but his life was basically destroyed by himself you know being manic and he came out of a two-month spell of destroying his entire life and realized whoa like what happened to me you know I'm I'm aware now

again and I ruined everything and I felt really bad for him so that's why I sent him money because I was like that has to be I mean that has to be the hardest thing you can have to know so I'm nice. I'm not like, you know, it works. I think it's complicated, right? Like, that's so complicated. And I probably should have had a contract so that I felt safer and didn't feel like he could sue me. But also, if he ever got the like mental power to contact a lawyer and sue me, I'd be so proud of him that I'd probably pay him. I'd be like, wow. So now with people that you bring on, do you have them sign contracts with you? Okay. I've model release forms for everybody

that I work with. Even though OnlyFans, you don't necessarily need that if the person already has an OnlyFans, you can just tag their name and it's assumed. Got it. But it's like, okay, then if their account is deleted or they quit porn,

I can't use those videos anywhere anymore. Sure. You have to sign a model release form of everybody. I'm curious between you and the custom. Yeah. How do you approach that topic? Is it like at a Thanksgiving, like, hey, listen.

No, we're so distantly related that it's not really like ever. I mean, I don't even know yet how to deal with family, like Thanksgiving dinners since I started this job. I haven't been to one. Yeah. My family, though, also, like we, most of my family is in Montana and we moved to London. And even in Montana, we lived six hours away from them. So I was always, I have a big family that I love and I'm sure that they support what I'm doing.

But because they're, you know, poor in Montana, having kids at 16 and super open-minded and cool. and not like high aspirations in terms of like, oh, you wouldn't become a doctor. So I'm sure I can show my face at Thanksgiving and they'll be fine with it, but I have not yet roached that topic. That's going to be, you know, when you see me in a year or two, be like, are you going to family Thanksgiving yet? Like I've told my parents what I do, but I haven't told my larger family. What do you think makes you so uniquely successful in this space?

Like, what about you is different? I think I'm confident in myself. I don't think I could have done this if I hadn't gone to six years of school and known that if I work hard at anything, I can make it work. And I probably think I have a good eye. Like how I said, I trust that I can see patterns or that I have, I can look at the content I'm making and I can, I'm not sure why, but I know that one video is better than the other one, you know?

Like you kind of get, you get an eye for things. So it's probably that is what. was I have a niche and I really take it seriously as a business. I take it immensely serious as a business. Now, what do you do during those days where you don't feel like filming? It's just you wake up. It's not in the mood to do this, but I have to get something out today. I used to have that a lot.

And so I would shoot, you know, once or twice a week. I take nudes and little videos and then I'd share them throughout the week. So I always had something. But now there are days where I don't want to film and I have such an immense amount of that I've never released or old content I've content that I've released and I can re-release and it does just as well. So there isn't like I have to always have something new. Like I can send out an old video and like even a video I made two weeks ago I can send out and it will sell the same amount that it did the first time. So yeah. Why is that just because there's a large churn? There's just

there's always new people but it's also I mean men bookmark their favorite porn and they watch that porn over and over again. It's not like you watch a porn video once and you never watch it again. You know, like you find what you like and you like to rewatch it. So I don't have to. You specifically. Oh, okay. No. But, but it's, that's the unique thing about it. With YouTube, you probably can't. Oh, you can't post the same podcast two weeks in a row, right? And have it do as well. But with me, if I, every time I resell a video, it sells just the same, if not better as the time before because it's to new people it's people that maybe didn't buy it last week and this week want to um or they just like to watch the same things over again or see the same nudes they're like

oh that i liked that one i like it i still like seeing it you know you save your you save the nudes your girlfriend sends you you bookmark the your favorite porno is online or you download them and you watch them again so with porn it's like if you like something you want to keep seeing the same thing yeah got it how was the business broken down at this point between uh I guess subscribers. Do you get paid for messages? How was that all broken down? Yeah, I make the most from monthly subscriptions.

Also because I like to give a lot for a low amount of money. $7 is a lot of money. And when I didn't have a lot of money, that was a lot of money to me. And I like, I mean, to me, I want to build more than anything, I want to get my face out there, and I want to build a brand and have people recognize me

and just build my brand as fast as I possibly can. So it's less about making the most. as it is bringing people into my world because I know once they're in there, once they subscribed, they'll remember it forever. I mean, once a man orgasms see you once, he will love you forever.

He'll remember you forever. So I make the most from subscriptions. Okay. And then I make... What percentage would you say? Did I make... I think I probably make 80% or 70% subscriptions and 30, 60, 40?

Like when I met you, it was like, yeah. Yeah, 60% I make just from the $7 subscription fee every month. And then 30 to 40% I make in the messages. And that's it. Those are the only two income sources and all my income comes from OnlyFans too. Got it. So what I'm curious about is if you have like, I was thinking about this in the car driving over here, what if you have a fan encounter somewhere?

Oh, yeah. How often does that happen? And also. Like when people recognize it? Yeah. Like how odd are those? So weird you asked that because I've never been recognized in person until last night. Are you serious?

And the guy tapped me on the shoulder when I was walking through the casino and he said, Hey, are you on TikTok? And he was this young, really cute guy. And I was like, yeah. I was like, are you serious? You recognize me? And he was like, can I get a photo with you? And so I did.

And it was a blast. Oh, wow. That is so weird. You haven't tried to get your number though. I know. He was so respectful. He was really. And then he was like, okay.

Like he, I even had him. I took multiple Snapchat pictures with him, like kissing him on the cheek and stuff where he just wanted to leave right away. He was like nervous probably. Yeah. Probably just didn't want to mess it up. A lot of people, a lot of people have messaged me saying, hey, I saw you at this place and I was there. They'll be like, oh, I saw you at Union Station in Denver today at 3 p.m. I'm like, yeah, that was sitting on the bus bench. And he was like, yeah, I was 25 feet away with binoculars. Yeah, that was 100% me. But they didn't want to say hi. And I didn't really think about it. But I mean, I don't like to

say hi to people. If I ever recognize them in person, I never say hi. Yeah, a few people, Jake Cutler was one of them for me. I saw Jay Cutler, the bodybuilder. Are you someone at the gym? No, I didn't see about the gym. Did you go up and say hi to him? Yeah, he was at a casino.

But he was one of the few people where I feel like he was nice enough where I could go up and be like, hey, man, can I get a picture? He's so cool. Because I never want to hold people. But then, I was thinking about, and I don't, you guys would have to tell me, like, is it different with porn? Like, is it different to come up to someone and be like, hey, like, I've got off to you.

Well, I've, I've, I feel like that would probably, no, I feel like that would probably be more different, right? Yes. Because it's like a different relationship, but it might be. Then just like, it's a very intimate thing. It's not like you'd be like, hey, I follow you. I mean, I'm sure some men are super proud of that. And they'd love, like, I know my ex whenever you saw porn star that he knew at the movie theater.

Something, he'd be like, oh my God, this is the day of my life. But how would you feel about that? But some people might be like, if a fan comes up to you, be like, hey, I'm a big fan. I just want to say hi. Can I get a picture? Like, how would, how would that come across to you? I love that because I love that. because I feel like my fans are I mean they're just people right like I like having sex with

people I like talking to people that's like my whole my whole life I just love human connection so much and my fans are and I'm sure most peoples are in this world like they are a huge source of inspiration for me they are a lot of them way crazier than I am and they they teach me so much about sex and they teach me they give me new ideas on things I want to try. So I'm super thankful to them and I feel like they're cool. And I would probably, I mean, most of them are young, even old guys, but I like men a lot. And I like would probably love to sleep with a lot of them.

So I feel like a marketing ploy or is that like a, because I feel like that that would be the smart thing to say. Yeah. I mean it. I mean it. But I actually mean it. Like I really. I want to do something. When I get like 500,000 Twitter followers.

or like a million or something. I don't know if this is possible, but I feel like with enough effort put into it, it is. I want to do a tour of all 50 states and I want to have sex with a fan from every state. I like having sex with real people.

What if you're not attracted to the guy? It's good marketing, I mean, right? I mean, I'd probably pick a fan where I feel like, you know, we have a similar interest. But I also, I mean, I don't just have sex with people because I'm attracted to how they look.

Like I like I more than anything I mean my ex was homeless like I'm attracted to a personality type and an openness and I like showing people how to feel new things and I like challenging people and I like giving people appreciation and making them feel special through sex. So it's really not about how they look or anything. Like I just that's my passion. I think it's also coincidence. It's a good marketing tactic. You know a lot of like one every state and every fan's could be like well I'm in that state. So let me. I already get that.

I mean anyone that knows me. knows that I probably talk about having sex with fans like all the time. And they're always in my messages being like, hey, this is my application. Like, everybody is like, hey, I'm, I'm six, four. I've got seven inches. And I really like stuff in the back door. So this is my official application. Like, please message me. I will do things on camera. Does it work? Well, can you say? Has it ever worked? Like, if I, I've never had sex with a fan. Okay. And I don't plan to any time soon because I have so many people I want to work with. It's just not something I'll do right now. But in the future, 100%. Like, if they're down to get tested and everything, that's like a great video. That's a great video, a regular guy.

Right. Yeah. I mean, I've only, I've only had sex with porn stars the last two months. Never in my life had I had sex with a porn star before. Especially my whole career. It was just me and my normal boyfriend. Is it different with it, like a professional versus like someone you're in a relationship with? It really more depends on the person. Yeah. There's people in porn. who are super sexual people like me. And that has been some of the best sex of my entire life. And it's like, they're the same type of person

where they want to show you appreciation and love when they're with you. And that's a beautiful thing when you find someone like that. And there's probably more people in porn like that, but there's also so many people that do many jobs that are like that. And then there's people I filmed with who are not sexual people,

but they're just in porn for money or for fame. or whatever other reason. That's a great reason because this is a great, very profitable job, but they're taught porn acting. And so then it's, that was a crazy experience for me.

I'd never had sex with somebody who was acting. If you can't do it for real and you're not in it for real and you're not a real sexual person, you're acting. Or if you're insecure and you don't know how to, you don't know how to be yourself on camera, which is something I've always pushed myself to just look ugly. Like just be my actual self,

have real passionate sex on camera and then see, you know, then just post it. Sure. Because people don't like that's, and that's why I have fans who love my product is because I am myself. Like I am confident enough to put myself out there and not cut things out and have it be messy

and have it be not always look attractive in it. But I think sex is probably better when you look like a demon. I know that when people watch my videos, they feel like it's real sex. Is there anything you wouldn't do? Like, what's off limits? You know, I actually don't have any boundaries. It's crazy.

I don't believe that. I don't have. I don't believe. I refuse to believe that. It's got to be something. I have gotten strep five times from licking my own poop off of people. I'm telling you I have no boundaries. I was not to say, I was meant to say like you wouldn't do that.

You were wrong. But is that, is that on? Is that on Only fans? I mean, I don't want to see like, like, marketing. No, no, it used to be, but it's not even allowed on there. Anything like messy isn't allowed on there. That stuff has been, that stuff's off camera. Because I like new experiences.

Like why not? Like we all have bodies. We all do it. Like, why not just see, if you can do it in a safe way where it doesn't give you menagitis and you, you know, die. Then like, why not? I just don't, I don't get awkward with that kind of stuff. I think it's really interesting to see how someone reacts when you put them in that scenario. Got it.

And that to be very, the amount of knowledge you get from a person when you put them in these crazy scenarios. Like, you learn a lot about people. Right? Huh. Would you do that? No. And what holds you back from not doing it? I have no interest. It's just like I have no interest in skydiving.

So it's like, I don't want to do it. So I don't really want to skydive. So, you know, I have boundaries in other areas of my life. Got it. Got it. So how do you like Puerto Rico? Love Puerto Rico. No.

You have to have something that you can actually post. I want to know because you said that you get sent stuff from fans. Yeah. Like what are some of the things that a fan would send you? You know, I haven't gotten sent anything in a while because I don't have an Amazon wish list anymore, but a lot of girls in porn have Amazon wish lists where they can, fans can go on and send you something to you anonymously and they can't see your address, you know? Have you ever done that?

Do you know that exists? So I set up an only fans. Oh. Yeah. I remember. I did. I did. What do you post on there?

It's not good. Say it. I post my stock picks up there So it's like Your personal If you want to see Right

If you want to see what I'm buying And selling I posted up there No I made the rookie mistake Because you know I had such high expectations No I had such high expectations

I honestly thought it's like Oh Be easy to grow this to 10,000 a month And I and I Charged $50 a month And I got And no one cares Well I got 10 people who signed up

And then it was done But all of those 10 people Pretty much just messaged me And they were just like, hey, I just want to get in contact. And, you know, I don't really care about topics. But because I didn't follow anyone there. I had a few surfy followers.

I'd respond to everybody. So there's like, oh, it's just an easy way to contact to. Yeah. And then, basically. But then I took the price down. I think how much is 20 bucks? I have no idea. Five people.

But it's at a weird place where I wouldn't mind growing it. But I don't know if I have the consistency quite yet to dedicate when I don't have 100 of people. You don't like if you're not making crazy. Right. It's hard. It's easy to forget. And that's why I have fallen into that trap.

I don't think Only fans is that profitable for people that don't do sex related things. The sex drive is so powerful. People will pay for things that their sex drive is driving them towards. So that's why. And it's not stocks. I really don't think the Only fans business model is going to work that well without porn. Like when the Only fans wanted to ban porn, I mean, they realized they backtracked really fast. Yeah.

Were you nervous at that time? Super nervous. But I know I have such loyal fans that, and I had so much savings at that point. That's what I always, I was very insecure about, like, how you asked earlier about, you know, the algorithm changing or only fans going down or TikTok going down. And so that's why I saved very aggressively for a while so that I could have enough money to live off of even for two years straight if I couldn't figure out how to make money for two years. But then I figure, okay, if I have two years, I can figure out how to make money. go to a whole new site. There's an OnlyFense isn't the only site.

There's millions of sites, thousands of sites, not millions, but. Got it. Like it. Were you investing? I have a financial advisor that was my mom's financial advisor during the divorce. And I just send her. And I, so I got her when I was, like, long before I even made money. And I would just put a little bit of money from, like, you know, my volunteering job at the,

because I made a little bit of money working at the homeless shelter. and then I would put money into my retirement account with her. Because my mom was very, after the divorce and my dad took everything. She was like, you need to be in charge of your finances always. So I've had her since then. And she invests in like mutual funds for me. And she invest in like some, I think I told her mostly long term. Like I plan to not take that stuff out for 10 years.

Okay. And so, so, yeah, exactly. Flokey. So she invests in like, I don't want to take that money out for at least 10 years. if not like ever maybe you know and so I put a lot of money in my retirement accounts and then I think she invests in like mutual funds and some real estate and then a few higher risk

Oh it seems like it seems like mutual funds and reits that's what it seems like I'm really curious to see how much she's charging you on that Do you buy any chance of a statement or something? I do actually Can I see it? Yeah okay I was so I was figuring I think that they take she runs like a very women

focused brand like she retired and then she restarted because she wants to do finances for women. Okay. So my mom was telling me that from her account, because my mom used the same woman, on a million dollars, she paid her $5,000. Oh, that's, yeah, half a percent.

That's half a percent. That's a lot. That's a lot. So you could pay 10 times less than that by doing this yourself through Vanguard or for free. But I just feel like I don't, my time is so limited. Because she'd have to learn about it all.

Yeah, that's true. And also, I wanted to be in there so long term that like, I feel, my mic it's at that point, but right now my time is so limited that like every second I'm making content that it's like just not worth it for me. The price of me paying her is worth, is worth it for me. Right. It's just a time's favor. Yeah. Yeah, the only downside is that it's not just a million, it's not just a million dollars. It'll be five million dollars pretty soon. Then it's $25,000 a year that you're paying her. And then that's every single year, 25, 25, 25, four years, it's 100 grand.

Yeah. That's that 100 grand over 30 years. Then all of a sudden it's a million. It's a billion dollars. So what do I do? Like, do I just start learning? It's so easy. For you, for you, honestly, all you need to do is VT Sachs or VTI and that's it because it's so, because it's so long term. Yes. It's already diversified. So something like VT Sachs or Fidelity, Fidelity has something called FISRRRX. It's just a total stock market index. It's free. You just buy that one fund and that's it. Nothing. Just that. And you could have it automatically buy It'll pull money from your checking account Be like every month, 50 grand buys Fizz Rocks or whatever.

That's it. And that's free. So I don't think it's the $5,000 per million. What do you do it through? Like I don't even, do you do it through a certain website? Like is it? Yeah. Like Fidelity would be a website or it would be like a nap.

Like with her, it's through Charles Schwab. Schwab is great. Or you could get your free stock down below in the description when you send up for public using the code Graham. And you could follow me in there because I post my stock trades. And how much percent do you expect to make a year off of that? On average, it's going to be 6 to 8%. Because with her, like last year I made 13%.

That's bad. That's really bad. If you put it in next year. Wasn't it like 20 something? It was like 30 something percent. You underperforms a lot. So I should be making it. What?

Here's the thing. I want to see what she's investing in. But chances are if she's investing. Should I show you? Should I pull it up? Let me see. All right. So it's in GWPDX, American Funds Growth Portfoles.

Foli, I've never heard of that before. That could be your own fund. She's charging you a half a percent to invest in a fund that charges you 0.38%. No. You're raising her right now. You're paying. That's a publicly trade. Basically.

Yes. You guys just give me this for free? Yeah, but you're just giving me this advice for free. You could literally buy this for free without paying her, half a percent. Give away the half percent. Yeah. But you don't even need this one. Like, the year to date returns 16 percent.

This is, well, let's see what's. in it because maybe she's putting you in a fund that, yeah, in the last year it's up 13%. And what's like the S&P up last year? Hold on. Now, this might not be fair. So, well, hold on. Let's see. Just, so the S&P's up

23%. I won't judge her. I'm not going to like, I'm not going to go off on her after that. No, I'll defend her for a second, okay? S&P's up 23%. This fund is up 13%, under 13%. So you've, you've gotten half the returns to the overall market. in the last year on top of paying a fee.

And that's a bad thing. Now here's the thing. She could be having you invest in this fund because it's going to be more stable. You're not going to see the wild fluctuations up and down. And chances are if you're unsure about your income, this is pretty safe. But honestly, a total stock market would be just as safe with a higher yield and not a 0.3%. an expense ratio. But she, to me, she has you investing as though you're 60 years old.

You don't need to, yeah. Which, you know, I've worried about it too because she is like 65 years old. She's investing as though you were one of her clients. And I was thinking, you know, maybe even just through Schwab, I'll contact people who work there that are younger and see what they're on. I don't think, I don't think you need any idea. Yeah, I do. Well, now that I know, here's a deal. Just automatic deposit.

Don't blame us if the market goes down. Yeah. You'd be like, I would have been down 20% But you'd even have 50%. But would I still have been down if I was with her versus a loan? Or like, is there some benefit to having her? You've missed out on probably 50 grand because she played it a little bit more safe

over the last few years. That's it. Okay. So honestly, in the big picture, it's not that big of a deal. And most people would have just spent it anymore. But you're saying as I put more and more money into this, I'll be losing maybe more and more money. Right.

Or like not gaining. I think, yeah, you're young enough where you could just do a total stock market index get 90% of the value for free. And I can just, can I like just put it in there and not look at it for years? That's the point. They're very, I'm sure that there's somewhat.

It's better actually that you don't look at it. Yeah. Because if you look at it, you're like, ooh, I'm up today. Maybe I see, I don't want to get in that mindset at all.

I want to put my money away somewhere where it's growing and then just leave it. Yeah. If it were me, I do like 95% VT Sacks or Fizz Rocks. Just fidelity. I've heard the first one you said. I've not heard of the second one.

Phizrox. It's just the same thing. but a free fund. That's it. Just automatic deposit. And all of, like, I could put a million in that if I wanted to. Just let it sit. Yeah, you could put many millions in that.

That's all you need. That's really the only fund you would ever need. It's all in one. Poor lady's going to lose her job. But then, and this would be the controversial part, to take 5% and split it between Bitcoin and Ethereum. Just 5%. That way, if you lose all of it,

It's 5%. You've paid her basically. Yeah, exactly. But you could play it riskier in case it works. And if it doesn't, it's 5%. Or 3%. I see, because I'm already paying that to her. So I could just put that money I'm now.

Bitcoin. Yeah. But it's small enough where you could lose it all. I did buy, you know, I bought some crypto yesterday. What do you buy it? Because I met this man on the beach in Puerto Rico. Yeah, that's why it. No, no.

He made me buy it low. Like he made, he was like, okay, he met me. Imagine if it's fluff coin. Oh my God. He made me by B-chain. Okay. And the crypto.com coin. I'm not familiar with that.

And a few others. But all he does is crypto. There's a lot of crypto people. Oh, that would make sense. Yeah. So I met him on the beach. This is a random guy. And he's giving me a crypto advice.

And for some reason, I just really like, you know, semi-homeless, like kind of crazy people. So I just felt the vibe. So I was like, you know what? I'll invest 5,000. in the things you tell me to when the market drops, like right now. And he was like, get a ton of stuff. So yesterday he was like telling me what to buy.

But it was nothing. But the market dropped this morning. Yeah, it was this morning. The market did it this morning. That's why I thought it this morning. I actually think I did. I thought it was yesterday. But I've been in Vegas.

It couldn't have been yesterday because I got to Vegas yesterday. But I feel like I've been in Vegas for like four days straight. That time. Vegas screws your time up. I swear. Maybe it was this morning. Was I sitting on the. bed this morning with my laptop. I was. So it was this morning. Okay, well, then you, he did well.

Yeah. He actually did really well. He, that's all he does. He just smokes weed in his apartment on the beach in Puerto Rico and watches, uh, crypto all day long, which is terrifying. But I told him, you know, I don't want to have to touch this stuff like right away. But he was like, I'll just tell you what to do. And if you make money off this first 5,000, then you can start, then we can start investing more money and you can pay me percentages from it. Oh, that sounds like a, that's a sketch. Yeah. No, it is. It is, but what if I just don't do that? Like, what if I just invest in these, make some money off it?

And I'm like, cool. And I'm done. I would just take Bitcoin Ethereum. Okay. That's good to know. So you're much more like stable choices. Yes. Yeah.

I play safe. But safe. Right, right. From all the research I've done, it's basically Bitcoin Ethereum make up the majority of the gains over the last like seven years. It's pretty much all isolated to that. And then I forget what it was. I think it was like a one in 50 chance.

If you're randomly investing of a coin game. more than 10,000 percent. It was one in 50, but you had a 60 percent chance of like losing everything. So Bitcoin Ethereum consistently have done well. I put money into Dogecoin like $500 for my little brother. He was like, please, I don't have anybody and I really want to put money in it. So I was like, okay, I'll put $500 in. And I think it made like $7,000 on it. Because that was like a year ago or something. Yeah. And then I just took it out and I was like, okay, cool. Jack has you beat. Jack invested $100. How much? And its peak it was 17,000.

But I exited at like, I think it was like 14,000. That's amazing. Yeah. He had $500 in, but he sold out. I mean, I said just goodbye to that 500. I was like, I'm doing this for my little brother so he can feel excited. And then I was like, wow, he's actually pretty smart. Yeah.

Which one was nuts. Yeah, it was. I feel like we should have your manager on. Yeah. And get a different perspective on things. She's pretty cool. Alex, can you? So we have two chair.

Micah. Or can we do two chairs or is it, is it going to be too weird with the camera? Um, it'll be a little odd. She can sit on my lap. We decided it would be a great idea to bring on Stella's manager, Sawyer, so we can get maybe a more in-depth look on, like, how you can scale and, yeah. Yeah. First of all, how did you guys meet and how did you know that you wanted to be a manager?

So I am a writer, and I was working for like a subsection of Forbes. And at the time, and then I wanted to, I got fired, basically. And it was like really devastating because I had like just put faith into that career so hard. And it was like pretty much a corporate job and was like crying into my boyfriend's lap for like three weeks. And then finally picked myself up and was like I want to go back to what I was doing before even making money, which is just posting articles on medium. And so I was, I interviewed some YouTubers and, um, I interviewed some YouTubers and, um, um, Just any celebrity I could get my hands on, basically, and putting out just intimate interviews. And they did really well.

My first article was called How to Train a Boy. And it was talking about an experience I had with a man I had a situation ship with before I met my boyfriend. Anyways. How do you train it? Yeah, now we got to be. Well, the last line in the article is, how do you train a boy, you let them off the leash? You don't give into their games. Yeah, you basically, well, that in, that does train them.

You got to read the article. Oh, yeah. How do you identify a boy? What is an F boy? What is that? Do you not know? Or are you saying that from the audience? Basically, it's someone that takes one, so two people are in a relationship.

It's someone who takes one step back intentionally because they know that the person that is left, standing their ground will probably not stand their ground and take two steps forward and make a fool out of themselves. That's the way I define it in the article. It's been a while. I have a very loving relationship now. But yeah, I have to reread it, like to see my exact definition of it. But anyways, I got fired and then it had been about a month. And then I wanted to like monetize. my articles because before I was just making like pennies on medium. It's basically like the YouTube of journalism. It's like anyone can post anything.

And so I was like I knew I was going to create my own website where basically it was like a pay per article type of thing. But then I just wanted to do it on OnlyFans before like that website was being built. And so I didn't feel comfortable. putting like a celebrity on only fans in terms of like I basically upload documents to like upload an article to only fans and have it at pay per view like I didn't feel comfortable and I also didn't think that any celebrity would want to be on there probably sure so the only solution that I felt was appropriate was to ask people that were already on only fans and um aka like porn stars yeah I literally

just found Stella on TikTok like I just was scrolling through TikTok and she just made me laugh talking about like having sex with her homeless boyfriend. I was like, what is going on? But it was like a relentless laugh because I cringed at TikTok at the time. I hated it. I was just like kind of being on there. And then I was like, this girl is amazing.

I have to DM her. So I found her on Instagram. She had like 10,000 followers at the time thinking like probably wouldn't respond, but also, like, if she does respond, she's probably not doing that well on OnlyFans. She doesn't have that many followers. But I definitely want to talk to her, no matter how much she was making. And the interview was incredible. We sold it on my OnlyFans and her OnlyFans.

Like, it just, it did so well and just got such a positive response. And then I later released it for Free On Medium. and that was like my best read count ever. During the actual interview, she told me that she was starting to feel stress. She wanted to focus more on filming with a boyfriend that was like getting out of a psych unit now. And I was like, I am jobless right now.

Like, I'll help you. And I feel like it's my calling. Like I really feel like I was meant to do this. So what exactly does your job, entail because you have no training you've just gone to do you you just have it you think you just have an eye be like this is what I think we should do what sort of management does uh so does this require I uh I help her plan every like piece of content that she puts out and give her advice on everything um and I like will set up like I'll find people to collab with for her and um at the

beginning at the beginning it started super i just i needed help with organization of my site like i was at a crossroads where i wanted to expand my business more and i didn't have enough hours in the day i couldn't respond to every single person and make new content and organize all of the like almost 100 videos that i had and she's like organization queen so um i told her i just wasn't maximizing certain areas of only fans like I could be. And because of that reason, I wasn't getting as many resubscribers. And so I needed her, like while I was spent making

TikToks to market myself and making my videos and uploading them, I needed someone to be there organizing all of the content and making menus out of it and, you know, incentivizing resale purchases and things like that. And so we just trained each other together. Like I literally taught

her, like, I mean, I didn't even know how to train you. We just did, started doing everything together. It's like a school project that we just. Yeah, it really feels like, and we're just, yeah, very profitable school projects. It doesn't even feel like she's a manager. It feels like you are a business partner with me,

and it's like two people working on a project together. And we're just two young girls. Like in the beginning, too, it was a wild, wild west. Yeah, it just feels like we are, like, running a company together. Like, I'm half of Stella in a way. Yeah. I'm sure somewhat like Jack is to you. Yeah.

Now, I'm curious, how much income did you start making more? Or how much did your income go up once you made this change? I made like, oh, I can turn this. You can turn it. I made, I was making like 60, I think I made 66,000 the month before I had you. No, I made 66,000 the month before I met you. Then I had a low when I met you and I was like, oh, God, I only made like 40,000 that month. Oh, it was 40,000 like that month because we did the interview.

No, it was because I made it before. And then I had a low month and I was interviewing you. I was like, I hope I can afford her. Like, I hope that it doesn't just keep going down. But I was like, I did have a higher month before. Like, it'll be fine. And then we hit 100,000 within two months probably. Yeah.

And then ever since then it's been going up like crazy. How much she's made. She's made so much money for me that like she's, I've made more since I've had her with me. And I feel like that's a thing. Like when you're, when you feel your business stagnating, right? The one thing you do is like hire someone new to outsource the work you can't do anymore. Right. So what have you.

done in a sense of, have you ever told her like, this is a bad idea? Like, don't do this. We should focus on this instead. I'm curious, like, what those strategies are. I don't have, like, authority over her. Maybe, like, some managers have over their clients, and I never want that to be our relationship where she has a ton of authority over me or vice versa. The only concerns that I have for her are her safety. Like, that's, I'm like a worrying mother all the time. And, and I'm just kind of a paranoid person. Oh, okay. So I'm just concerned about her safety and people, you know, finding out where she is in the

world. So I don't let her post like, I'll have her delay posts sometimes and, you know, just share every detail when she's doing a collab with me because I'm just concerned. It's interesting because I remember when I first started working like more so full time with Graham, like the main thing that I was supposed to be doing was like editing second channel videos and kind of just like menial stuff here and there. But I feel like where Graham got the most value out of everything was just finally to have someone that's a part of the team

that's like really in deep with like the entire business and someone to bounce ideas back and forth with. My sister said that that was your best move you've ever made is hiring Jack. Oh, there we go. And I'm not just saying that because of earmuffs. Yeah, you're going to let us get to his head. No, I really.

I really think that, like, it was very smart of you to, like, hire someone. You're super young, but, like, hire someone younger and, um, yeah. That's sweet of your sister to say that. Thanks. You're a youthful. I agree with her. No, not, not because of, like, optics or anything. Just because you just have, like, a different, like, you're from a different generation,

even though you're a millennial, you're a genzy. Yeah. It's just, like, inherently valuable to have someone like that on your team. I don't know. I remember how I was when I was, like, under 25, just I would do anything. It didn't, it didn't matter. And I, and I had all the. time in the world, I wouldn't care if I was up until 2 a.m. every night.

I just, that's what you need to do. Yeah. But I found that like, not always, but the older you get, the less you kind of care sometimes. Or like the less time you want to put into it. When you're young, you could do it. And you're just at a point where you are making so much money that you, you don't mind spending to like get a new perspective or giving a percentage of it. I still do.

Well, yeah. I heard that about the 45. percent thing. I listened to that. Oh, yeah. Let's not go that far. Well, we weren't making any money on the podcast then,

so that's why the 45% was. Jack tries to give me to spend money every day. Like giving him such a big percent from the beginning? No, I don't have any regrets. Because the podcast, it turned into something, like I could have never imagined

like a studio like this. So does he get any, like, or any of your editors or anything, get any kind of percentage on your main channel? No. So Alex now is editing my main channel videos. Okay. We're spending a lot of time.

Hey, there he is. Yay. So he's just starting to learn that. So right now I have Alex on a flat fee per video on that. But part of that, the main channel is different because I've spent five years doing it all myself. So I can't, I couldn't ever give away a percentage of that because a lot of that is a backlog of like five years for the work. When Jack came in with this podcast, it was brand new. Like it made no money.

So I could have given Jack 80% and it would be like $50. Like it wasn't any of it. But Alex is getting a much larger cut on the vlog channel. Oh, cool. So we're posting every Thursday now on the Stif Family. So subscribe. On the Stifamily. What do you think of the name?

Guys, please subscribe. It's the only place I make money and I need to eat. Please go subscribe to the Stif family. Alex's dinner tonight is depending on you subscribing to the Stif family. So we could actually do well on that channel. But what do you think of the name Stifamily? I thought like Graham's step. And then I was like Staphimbley.

I think it's or is it is it too a little cheesy. A little cheesy. Okay. I think that the point of it was kind of to be cheesy. Like in the beginning when we started the channel, we were trying to be like like kind of cringy family vlog. You know, like we jump up like, welcome back to this to family. And it's like the dynamic between Graham and I is like it's so far from that type of like channel that I think it makes it kind of like satirical.

I do have like no offense, but you have like a little bit of like a dorky vibe to your, um, hands in my opinion. Yeah, cool. All right. I think it's perfect. I think it's perfect. I don't know. Stella did something like that.

I personally think Dworky is good. Like, I think making fun of yourself, like, people take social media and everything too seriously, it doesn't sell as well. Yeah. You're supposed to be fun and be partly like comedy. Yeah. Part of me thought Graham Steffin vlogs and just like, just keep it simple like that. Yeah.

No, I think it's fabulous for you. I think that you should, I think you should embrace a fun side of yourself. There we go. Yeah, now that I think about it, like, it's perfect. All right. Yeah, I think it's funny. All right. And you can't change a name.

Like, I hate when when people change the names of their YouTube channels. We changed the name of the podcast. Yeah, we used to be the iced coffee hour with what, with Graham, Graham, Stefan. But we did that for SEO. Yeah. It was the ice coffee hour with. Was it the, with Graham, Stefan? It was it Jack and Graham and Jack.

No, no, it was with Graham Stephan because we used Graham Steffin for SEO. So my name would come home. No, it was Jack and. Graham Stephan is what it was. That was, we, I remember because we didn't include my last name because there's no SEO for my name, but then we just included it. And then we're like, with Jack and Graham Stefan, and people thought we were like brothers because they're like, we're both Stephens or something. So that was, and now it's just the ice coffee hour. Because now it has like enough SEO for itself. Do you go by your last name or is it just Jack? Well, if someone asked

me my last name, right? Selby. Yeah. That's similar to me. I don't really go by my last name because I just am not your publicist on everything. And I just, kind of just want to erase my name like from the internet. Why do you not want your name out? I just, I, I, I did when I was a writer,

um, but I just like, don't really like my last name either, but, can you tell us? It's Gilly. Oh, okay.

Yeah, I mean, I mean, that's, that's not bad. Yeah, my sister embraces it. That's her,

like, uh, handle, but I just like, I don't think it's bad, yeah. I don't want to like, I'm not interested in,

like, sharing who Sawyer Gillie is anymore. And I barely did that like in high school. neat names. Sawyer Gillie. I mean, it's just like that, it flows and it's unique.

Thank you. I was, yeah, it is unique. I mean, I'm just not interested. I think in like my youth, I was interested in like,

having my name out there and like, getting famous or something. I don't know. Like, I just had like ideas about that. But I don't, I really just want like my company to be out there. Okay.

And I don't want, I want people to remember not your publicist. Yeah. And like, my ideas behind that besides myself. I mean, that makes sense. Yeah.

I think I have a theory. Is Stella Barry your actual name? Yeah. That's kind of what I figured. I wouldn't. Because it's too, it's too perfect. Porn names,

you have to have a porn name. Like one, because you can't, like just, you can be, basically the advice they give you going into it is that never tell someone, especially in a bank

or when you're getting anything, what your actual job is because there's so much discrimination. Yeah. And so you don't want your real name when people search your real name online for whatever reason for all of your videos to pop up and everything.

So it's like a, it's a safety aspect and just makes your life a lot easier. I won't be applying for loans or applying for anything. Yeah. They have to search my name and say some one. Like people, porn stars have had their full bank accounts. Like they won't be able to invest or put their money in certain banks

because they don't like the adult, nature of their business. Yeah, Chase. Chase. Chase Bank was one of them. Really? Yeah, with Only fans. Yeah, so. Or is J.P. Morgan. It was one of them. So, um, you got to have a porn name. How did you decide on that name? I was talking to a 44 year old director in Hollywood, um, that I had met at a sex party. And I, he had always wanted me to go into porn, like in that kind of creepy, like predatory way and I didn't want to go into it like at that time. But then when I did decide to go into it, um, I messaged him and was like, hey, what should my name be?

And I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, like, I, I, like, I, I, I, like, I, I, I, like, I, I, because I have a long list. I don't know. I don't, I don't, I don't, I list. You do? Wait, what? Really?

Like, the, the name I want to name my name. Yeah. Like you kind of like think of names you like I make a whole list of like ones as I come across them and Stella was on there But it wasn't so high that I'm like I'm probably gonna name my kid this so I was like okay I like this name sure and then he sent he was like okay either Stella Barry And it was spelled like berry B-E-R-R-R-Y or Stella Zane and I thought Zane sounded like zany Yeah right. And so then I was like what about Barry like B-A-R-E-Y like bear? Yeah and and then it just stuck and I never as a kid could have imagined picking a different name or even picking a company name or a podcast name and knowing that I can't get tired of it. And I now love my name.

Is there anything that Stella's like how could Stella improve? How's that? When she does collabs, she needs to fly to a neutral location and people meet her there. Like that's really the only like just for safety. and I and yeah and that's what she's going to do now but tell them what I do now like I don't do that right now do what oh right she flies people out to yeah I I fly people like she wants me to be so much more protected from lawsuits because I literally fly people to my home yeah I have insurance no like I got to find some sort of business insurance and I that girls that do porn or guys and I put them up in a hotel and I film with them and she doesn't

And there's been multiple times that's worked super well, and there's multiple times that has not worked well. And so that's her biggest thing. How is it not worked well? Like what? The porn world is a dark world, and I didn't know that because I was a TikTok only fans girl. And I've flown out girls that their boyfriends beat them, and I flew them and their boyfriend out. And he beat her up and almost killed her. And she spent the first night she was there in the hospital.

And then with the concussion, and he went on the run from the police and craziness. And then another one where, you know, the guys I just flew out, they both, I was with Hannah, my cousin and them. And we had four days with them and both of the guys fell in love with me basically. And like literally one of them confessed that he loved me like probably 30 times. And that dynamic was absolutely terrible. And then Hannah felt like so jipped and unwanted. And then it was basically like a terrible, terrible situation. And then they're stuck on the island.

So it's like, I get that. Yeah. Yeah, like Stella is, if you know her as a friend and a person and a business partner, is that she wants to be close to everyone. Like that's just the way that she does business. The way that she films, it's real. It's not acting. And it was a bit of a shock.

I was there for her first collab with a porn star that was acting. Like very, and she was made it very clear beforehand. Like, I'm going to fake my orgasm. This is all fake. Like, you know, and that's not, it was a little bit of a shock. Like, it worked out really well and nothing. Like, it didn't. It's sold well and everything, but that's just not the way that Stella has done it.

So it's a striking of balance, and I think a great way to, like, protect herself from these trips that can get emotional and tied emotional is just meet in L.A. Or meet in a random state, get a hotel room. And I would prefer L.A. because that's where I live. But, you know, and just, just meet them for an hour. and like you can talk to them over FaceTime and create an emotional relationship, but I just, the vacation aspect, even when you go on a vacation with someone that you think is your friend, sometimes it can get like very weird vibes and like, you're like, oh, I didn't know this about you. And that's just prone to happen when you're flying people out.

And it's a vacation. The other thing that I know that she wants me to improve on and that also is like where her business is expanding with mine is that now she's starting, like, this is a first. thing she's booked for me like I've always done it all myself in terms of like you know I haven't done that many I haven't done any podcasts or anything like that so that's something that we can do that you will now take business inquiries for me cool um and like work with other people and do collaborations and things like this that aren't just in the porn world and that I don't have enough time to do in the day so diversifying my income where my face is and my and the things I'm talking about and the sites I'm on um

are all things that you're going to help me expand on and that we need to expand on. Yeah, Stelle, what about what could Sawyer do better? Yeah. I think we communicate so well and our personalities are so different. Like, she's very organized and very, like, neurotic in a good way. And we communicate like crazy. Like, I just tell her everything that I think. And she knows when I tell her anything that, like, I think she is amazing what she does.

And so she doesn't ever take it, like, personal. I wish I had her as my partner in college on any group project because we work so well together and I do not meet people like that very often. Also the fact she makes a percentage of what I make means that she, I've never met someone that works as hard as I do and she does. Like we both work 24-7 on Stella Berry and that just makes Stella Berry a hundred times more capable of becoming a real brand. So I mean her work ethic is amazing. Her ideas are amazing whenever I. No, I really, I honestly can't think of anything because it feels not just like an assistant, but also like a friend and someone like you said to bounce ideas off of. And I just, I don't expect a ton of you.

Like I don't, you do everything that I need you to do and you work harder than I could have ever. I mean, she even apologized. You know what you could do better? You honestly could take more time off and not feel guilty about it. Oh, my God. No, and I'm not even kidding. Like she apologizes like crazy when she's like sick or has like. you know, she had like a legal thing she was dealing with.

And she had to take time off for it. And I was like, you know that like you make a percentage because I know that you work really hard. And you can take that time. Like if she burns out, I will be left with a crater in my life and in my business. Like I need her because I know I won't burn out because I do take care of myself that way. And burnout is a huge thing that I'm trying to avoid. And with you, I also like I want her to always communicate with me more than she probably does. and I want her to take care of herself because we're in this for the long haul together.

And burnout is a real thing. And you lose employees and you lose people who are super valuable to you because of that. So how about this? What questions do you have for us? You could ask us questions, whatever you want. Well, I want to talk about your only fans. Okay. I also want to talk a little bit about just advice, like, for girls that maybe want to start only fans or like have a manager.

whatever you want to talk about first. Go for it. Well, it just, it struck me because you were like asking, um, like what Stella can do better, but I have way more advice for girls that are doing the same thing as she's doing. Okay. Which is when you get to a point, hopefully you started your only fans because you wanted to, first of all and not because a management company reached out to you and said, we can take you to the next level and make you $50,000 the first month, which tons of, and the only reason I really found out about this type of job was because my sister worked for a huge agency,

a huge OnlyFans agency. You need to find someone like me instead of going to a management company, or you need to sign with a management company who doesn't use a contract, doesn't use any contracts you're not locked in. You need to hire someone that you are willing to meet and talk to and like text every day before you go to a management company. The only thing a management company will do is maybe post you on their huge Instagram, but it's probably a lot of fake followers and you probably won't get on their Instagram the first time. And like what a management company does is literally girls take their nudes, take their

content, upload it to a Google Drive and that's it. That's the whole control they have or their whole brand. Like they post everything for them. They make all the captions. They message all of their fans. And that's terrifying one. And so many girls have so much anxiety. A lot of them don't have confidence in themselves when this job is not like I could have done it and not even hired her

I could have done it completely alone and made good money. I just recognized if there was two people I could make a lot more money. Sure. But they have no control over their brand and what also ends up happening is like you can tell that it's basically a bot like it's dirty talk learned off of a how to on Google and it's like it's fake and it ruins your connection with your fans like they don't know who you are anymore. It's all lot like and it definitely gives girls anxiety and no control over their brand or their career and like like Stella has um like she can she can log me out of the only fans anytime she wants to and that's the way I want it and that's the way that um you should have your relationship with your manager or your partner whoever like you should never be the you should never be in a position as a creator

where your management team can lock you out of your own only fans where you, Their bank information is in your only fans and they pay you out a paycheck. Like that should never, ever be the case. And if you're in a situation like that, please get out and like try to find a friend or someone to be your assistant first. Do you genuinely like want to spend a little bit of time on only fans? Or do you just, was it more of an experiment? It was an experiment. It was really a proof of concept to see if people are interested.

It doesn't seem like there's enough demands to really justify it, at least for, posting stock trades. So I wanted to see what would happen. If I got 100, 200 people signing up instantly, I'd be like, oh, wow, there's potential here. But usually when I do a launch like this, if there's not immediate demand, I kind of know, okay, it's not usually something to put a lot of time into. Can I tell you some things?

Yeah, please. Okay, first of all, like right after this podcast, make it $5 a month. Like 50 is way too high. Okay. Even if you're a major porn star, like no one, not a lot of people are going to spend that. A lot of people on only fans are like pretty broke. So they don't want to spend any like higher amount of money.

Also I know you have like frugal fans that he said trained very well. So that can be like difficult. So you might just want to make a free page honestly as well. If you're if you're interested in wanting to do this. But like there's so many things that I would be interested in seeing because I am a fan of yours. Yeah. And it's like I would love to see like. You, I know you have amazing sponsors, so I wouldn't want that to, like, ruin anything.

But I would just, like, people love vulnerability. And I would love if you did, like, even like a drunk Q&A with your girlfriend. Oh, no. Okay, not drunk. There's no way. No, no, no, no. Okay. Yeah.

I don't think I've ever had a drink on the channel. Okay. He wanted to before this podcast. I was nervous. I was nervous, too. I was going to drink. I was going to be too uptight. And I was like, what if I, what if you mentioned something?

And I'm like, I just freeze. Yeah. Like, I don't know what to say. So I was like, maybe we could just take a shot before. I just, it'll calm my nerves a little bit. But, you know, I think like, I would, I feel like I don't really know your girlfriend that much. And I've seen every video that you've posted of her.

So I would love to like have you guys just sit down and like film like a Q&A, like a playful Q&A, like an intimate, like it doesn't have to be sexual. It doesn't have to be anything just like post like Q&A, like say personal Q&A. like send in your questions on Instagram. Okay. And then just like film a video. And you can either sell that video like in the messages or you can just post it on your feed and that's included in the subscription.

And then you could post like behind the scenes of your podcast. Like you can post like, you know, maybe some cuss words. I don't know. I don't want anything to like ruin your rant. I know. Drinking and cuss words. Geez. Okay.

I don't want to pressure you. But I'm just saying there's so many things that I would be. Only fans doesn't allow anything even remotely related to intoxication. So I have the same thing where I don't even want to do a drunk anything. Because one, I don't really drink. I didn't know that actually. Yeah, like I'm, but they don't allow anything like that. So they couldn't do that.

But the idea is there of vulnerability. And people pay for that more than, I mean, but you could even do what you're doing like how, what you invest in, but just videos of you talking about it. Like where they feel close to you because people will feel close to you. So whether it's a free page that you entice them and then sell that full video or like what you're really investing in in the messages or you just do it and it could

literally just be a 10 second clip on your iPhone when you're like waking in your bed like like it like it doesn't have to be this full production sure I get that it's better not it's better not it's better not then I'm almost thinking I may as well that just put it on this to family I would just I would like pick a like pick a site like because I'm sure this to family is still going to be like very family friendly and like very, like, you're kind of, it's not like they're cap, maybe it is like you're capturing you like, not like, hi, I'm Graham Stephan. Yeah. But you can get even more intimate in that way.

And in a very non-sexual, like my ideas were, you know, not what you wanted to do, but there's cursing and drinking. Cursing and I rarely drink. And now in my life, I've stopped cursing. That's not true, Graham. Really? What? No, that's not.

He's just saying, not an only thing type of guy. Like, you've got a thing something people would pay for behind a paywall. And like I said, like most people don't make any money if it's not sex related on only fans. Because sex drive is so powerful. Like, how much money, though, did you make off your articles? Oh, so, yeah, I posted my articles. I mean, I made, like, when I was posting every day, I was making, like, $500 to $1,000 a month. Yeah, there's so many things that you can do.

Vulnerability. That's, I get that. Okay. Like, yeah, and just like you, I would love to see Graham stuff and, like, learning how to snow board and like playing bowling like it was it just be like a funny very low effort thing and no one can get mad at you for like this is five dollars you know like for like say it's like home videos that are filmed on an iPhone that kind of stuff like not the things you film for YouTube but just like because everything I do is on iPhone on only fans and that honestly everything that's like that does immensely better than any professional photo shoot I've ever done like people like to see me when I just

woke up brushing my teeth on my iPhone like in grainy lighting. Sure. So you could do, you know, you could do this is my like, be roll of like my life on my own iPhone versus. And you can even do it with Jack and split the money. Like I know that like maybe you don't want to do that, but like you can talk about. He might, he might just be not only fans friendly. I have a feeling it's, yeah.

You sound like you don't curse and you don't even drink. I don't. Yeah. But how often do I say the F word, Jack? A lot. No, I don't. Oh, not. You have made your life family friendly.

I spilled your coffee and we put it on the last family vlog. I know, but that's the one time that Alex spilled my coffee. It was like, oh, and then yes word. I really resent, like, the idea that only fans, like, is not brand friendly. I know that that may be true. Like, my boyfriend is an athlete and has a lot of sponsors. And I always was trying to convince him, like, let's just, like, do a Q&A. Like, I can film you, like, doing stupid stuff around the house.

Like, it does not have to be inappropriate. and I really resent that idea. But I am maybe just being like my inner activist. It's probably better for me to do this to family. But I do agree with the vulnerability in trying something now. I agree with that. Yeah. So maybe that can just be shown through your vlogs.

But like I noticed that you did like the Tinder thing on Jeanette McCurdy on a different channel. Like that's the kind of thing that you can put on only fans and sell. You know, I have a question. Yeah. And it's been a while since we did this, but you guys are a new level of people that we've had on this podcast. For the Clips exclusive, would you be open to checking out Jack's Tinder and giving some feedback? Yes. Yeah.

If you're comfortable with it. Jack, you've got to say yes. So interested. that coffee and then Macy said she has cookies. Yeah, yeah. I love it here. Yeah, if you guys... I feel like I have a family. Yeah, come back because usually we go out for dinner or something like that,

but just given the situation, I'm not going out. But if you come back, come back, we can always do a follow-up. That was so fun.