The Iced Coffee Hour - Meet The Entrepeneur Leading The NFL In Touchdowns | Austin Ekeler

Episode Date: April 9, 2023

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I took a game jersey and I sold it. I put it on for $4,000 and it sold instantly. I've led the NFL and touchdowns for the past two years. No one scored more than me. Austin Echler is a football running back for the Los Angeles Chargers. And in the last two years, he has the record for the most touchdowns in the season. And he's also known pound for pound as being the strongest person in the NFL. And on top of his incredible NFL accolades,

Austin has an amazing story about what unrelenting perseverance and dedication can do. This is really a story of someone who should not have made it, according to pretty much all statistics, but has overcome every single obstacle along his way. Oh, what is up, guys? I'm out here streaming in my yard. I just wanted to ask, if you guys could please tap the like and subscribe button,

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please comment what you want to see in the next Streamyard integration. Thank you so much, Streamyard. Let's get back to the episode. Welcome back to the Ice Coffee Hour. I am Austin Eckler, and I'm today's guest, and I cannot wait to dive into it, man. Welcome. Thanks for coming on, man. It means a lot.

Yes, thank. That was the third time we had to take that, by the way. Very good. Well, done, man. Thank you so much for coming on. I got to say, I've been watching a few of your plays lately. I'm not a huge, like, sports person. Yeah.

But I started watching, like, how versatile you were on the field. It is so impressive. I appreciate it, man. And the nickname Pound for Pound. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's an old one, but yeah. Where did that come from? So basically my rookie year, I was coming into the Chargers.

No one really knew anything about my background. And I was just this, I'm still like one of the smallest guys on the team. I was just this little guy, a little running back, you know, let's see if this guy can make the team. Right. I was six-string, no expectations. And then they started seeing kind of just my work ethic and kind of started seeing me in the weight room. And they're like, okay, maybe there is something to this guy that, you know, sets him apart. And so one of those was my strength, right?

And it was just me. I just fell in love with being in the weight room. And it's kind of just shown over the years where now I just kind of have like anomaly of strength. We're like doing one arm pull-ups and stuff like that, like squatting a bunch of weight. And so my strength coach gave me the nickname pound for pound after that. And so I haven't approved of the name, but it stuck so much. And every time I hear it. No, it's not.

What does it mean? Pound for Pound for Pound. Just like pound for pound strongest. He's like, you're probably the pound for pound strongest guy on the team. the ratio to my body and how much I'm actually able to lift is probably greater than anyone in the league is what he was saying. Basically, I lift with the big guys, but I run with the small guys. So it's kind of how it goes for me.

They call me inch by inch. Someone has to say it. Wow. That was good. That was really good. I'm not sure. I'm not sure we went to definition on that one. We'll leave it.

Yeah, we'll leave it up to interpretation, guys. That's better that way. Better that way, yes. Okay. So, wait, so how tall are you, just for reference? I am 5-8 and 5-8s is what I registered at. Got it. I know.

I am probably the shortest. Nah, I'm not the shortest, but as far as, like, weight-wise, probably the smallest, one of the smartest money. It's incredible because in person, I mean, you definitely have, like, a lot of stature when you walk in. Right. But then you see you on the field. Yeah. Like, all these dudes are like six foot four, six foot five.

Right. You see the difference there. Right. But don't you feel like that gives you, like, this advantage where you could, like, be nimble and, like, in some ways. And it's harder to. Yeah, in some ways. For the most part, it just hurts even more when I get hit because the people that are hitting me are also that big as well.

Which is, I mean, I'm compact, right? I can take it. It's my job not to get hit, so I try to avoid those scenarios. But it's fun. No, I have a great time. This is my position. My position, you're able to be this size and continue to have success, right? It's like you have guys, like the opposite end of me is like Derek Henry, who's 6, 3, 255.

And he plays the same position that I do at, you know, 58, you know, 195. And so it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool to see the different types of bodies, right? And we make it work. That's what it comes down for me. It's it's been let's be consistent right. We can talk about the journey of how I've been consistent and built on my role, but be consistent and be efficient, right? And you do that. They're going to continue to build on your role. And that's what I've been able to do for the past six years. Yeah, I got to ask. I feel like I've been thinking about I've been watching a lot of basketball. Yeah. People exaggerate their size in basketball. Yeah. You know, they put their seven one. They're actually like six eight. You know like Chris Paul. We know you're five nine. Don't avoid it. Is that common in football? Like, do you see that a lot? As far as what? Exaggerating your size. I mean, look, the team has me on the roster like 5'10, which I'm not 510.

Oh, they have you in the roster? Yeah, they, so the team's all exaggerating me. Yeah, it's 510. Why is that? Is that just to be more intimidating? I don't know. I don't know. You know what, maybe with the shoes.

Like if you wear the shoes. If I wore platform shoes, yes, then I would be. Yeah. I make it work so it doesn't really matter. Or maybe with the helmet. The helmet. The helmet. Yeah.

That's interesting. And everyone else is, you should put that there. I should have football. Interesting. You know, Graham, the last time we were around each other, you were about to go fight somebody. Oh, that's right. Michael Reed. Yeah.

Yeah. You were stepping into something. I was terrified of it. Yeah. How did they go? Good and bad. I'm glad I did it. Good and bad.

Okay. Did not win. Okay. Way different than expected. Yeah. I was watching all the guys go up before me. And I was thinking, they're all putting their hands down. And it's like, as long as I just remember, keep my hands up, I don't get hit.

It's easy. Mm-hmm. And then as soon as you get up there, everything goes out the window. It's so much different than you would expect. Your adrenaline kicks in. You kind of lose. Right. I mean, you get hit all the time.

What's that? How do you get used to that? It's pretty brutal. You don't really get used to it. That's the thing. Like, if you look at our injury rate, it's 100%. If you make the 53 and you're on for the entire year, there's a 100% chance you're going to be in the training room for some reason.

Is that probably actually over because you go multiple times and have some type of report. And so with us, like that's one of the biggest things in the NFL is stay health. right who can stay the healthiest right is probably gonna have the best chance at the end just because there's such a big drop off as far as top talent to the to the backups right you lose that consistency and so like for me during the year like I'm always I feel like playing it hurt it's just are you able to go through it right can you put enough can you tape it up you need to sit a few days off because you spray your ankle it's going to take weeks to heal but guess what you got a game in five days so I mean it don't matter you got to play you know as long as you can move and you can continue to go

that's kind of what the what the standard is and so So really you just kind of try to maintenance everything. It's just maintenance, right? Prehab, right? You can try to just get your body to this as compact thing as it can possibly be. So then when you actually get out there, you can sustain hit, especially at my position where we get hit the most. Now what about head injuries?

Yeah. So, I mean, those have been big, especially this last year, because we had some major ones, especially the quarterbacks with the concussions and stuff like that. And so, you know, the NFLPA has been doing a good job, making sure that we have the correct rules that's going to happen, right? but it's more so how can we prevent it with rules as far as the game, right? We're trying that.

And then also how can we make sure that we are taking the proper steps to not let people come back too early? And so we have all these protocols that we put in through the PA and they're ever evolving just as we continue to go. And so, yeah, because we don't know, right? It's going to be a long-term thing, but we're trying to mitigate as much as we can right now. And that actually reminds me, have you guys ever seen that slap, like, fighting thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. That's the you thought about head injuries.

I'm like, these guys are straight up. Yeah. Like straight concussion every hit. It's bad technique on some of them. Just like hitting the guy like right. Yeah. Sometimes you feel like they hit him with the,

yeah. Yeah. Just straight up just like, yeah. I've seen some of the ones where they hit the guy. The guy just like is like just like stiff. Yeah. I was back and is confused.

Like where am I? What just happened? How is that? I don't know how this is a thing. I feel like it should not be a thing. You know, I feel like it was one of those things like maybe someone was doing it back in their backyard with their buddies.

And like some, and it went too far. And it was like, how is, yeah, yeah, sorry. So, I don't know. Is that something you worry about often, though? Like, does it ever keep you up at night? Or is it kind of just a byproduct? Yeah. Or is it just a byproduct of the work that you're in?

You know, it's like a risk reward thing, you know? It's like, man, you're putting yourself through this, but the platform of playing, you know, with the NFL and being in this environment is, like, is it worth it? And so it's hard to tell right now because we're young and we're not older yet. But it's like as far as right now, the value that I get from this and the trajectory of what has put my life where it was from to where it is now, I would say yes. It's worth it going through and going out there and putting yourself in harm's way,

so to speak. And it's been something I've done ever since I can remember. I've always played football, right? And I've played other sports, but now football for the past, you know, like 10 years. And so I don't know. You hope it never happens to you. I know it definitely can. I know I get hit and head every game, right?

Like every game my neck is sore right I don't always have a headache But sometimes I do Every game your neck is sore Oh every game right Because we have an eight pound helmet That we have all for three hours right And we're getting hit around

Right and so Yeah it's brutal It's brutal Let's talk about where this work ethic came from That you mentioned earlier You have a really interesting story From when you were a kid to how you got To where you are now

Can you walk us through that? Yeah man So I'm from Colorado And my mom She was a teacher she had married my stepbrother or my half-brother's dad so he was my step-dad and this guy was the hardest working guy I've ever met in my life and I despised him because he made me work and do all the stuff that he didn't want to do around the house like take care of all of his animals and then he

had this fencing company during the during the summer that we'd go help build barbed wire fence and we didn't have all the best equipment so it's straight manual like manual labor type stuff and like huge jobs Like he had a, you know, really good reputation in the fencing business, like 25 mile long jobs along the highways along the railroads. So he was getting big jobs. Big jobs. Big, yeah, big railroad government jobs, federal jobs. And so we'd have like a crew of five of us that, you know, go build these during the summer. I'd only be there for like two months.

But during those two months, it was just a hell. And that was kind of just like the atmosphere in my home, right? In my home when I was growing up, it was just really intense as far as when we work, like we get, we get it done and we get it done efficiently and fast. Like we go. Like you're running. to the next thing. And so growing up in that environment, right, really put me in a place where, like,

things just became easy when I went to, like, school, when I came, like, when I went to, like, sports, like, is because what other people thought was hard. I was like, this is not hard, you know? Like, at the time, I wasn't thinking like that, but it was just like, this is easy. Like, I can do this schoolwork. I can go push myself on a, on a basketball court.

Like, that's nothing. Because I, I had grinded through manual labor. How old were you when you were doing that? Were you getting paid doing that? No, I didn't get paid. No pay in this. So how old were you doing that? I think they got married when we were, I was four years old when they got married.

So I was around then. And as I started to get older, I started to have more of a role in the actual way. And how did you keep motivation to go do that? I just wanted to get out of there. So you just finished it up as fast as possible. I left the day I graduated. I was like, I got to get out of here. So I literally went through my hat in the air and my truck was packed to go up to

western Colorado to go play college football. Had a job and everything set up for me. So I was trying to get out of there as quick as I could. And just being in that, Right? It changed my mind where it's like it became really just like hearty like my head is like really just in the rain to continue to work and build because that's all I've ever been doing. And so I was like, I want to build myself out of here. And I thought I was going to be with my education. And it was never thought about the NFL. I was going to a small division to school. And so it was like, okay, let me go get my education in business. Let me go start something of my own or attach myself to someone else. And I was going to start getting into real estate and I was going to start house hacking actually. That was my plan. You know, and then I was able to play football well enough where that became an opportunity for me. me, but that's where my mindset comes from is just being in an environment where it was just, it wasn't hostile, but it was, there was tension. It was always like pressure. It was always pushing on you, you know. How do you get you to go do that work? Like, was it, there was no other choice.

Here for free, you got to go and do this. There was another choice. It was even from growing up from when I was small, especially when I was really independent, it was either that, it was beat. Right. And so it was like an environment where it's like, you get shit done. You just get it done. Yeah. You know, because you don't want that, right? Are you grateful for that type of childhood? Or do you sometimes wish that you had a little bit more leniency and freedoms as a kid? Am I grateful? Wow. It's maybe who I am. For that specific part of your child.

Yeah, yeah. I would say I have twisted it to get the positive out of it. Like, I think it has made me who I am today, which I'm very grateful for as far as me being able to really stay focused and build myself up. Is there a different way, probably? But I think the tough love aspect got me really ready for really the world, right? and just being able to, like I said, commit myself and understand that not everyone has your best interest in mind. And guess what?

Like, things aren't always going to work out for you. And there's not always going to be a why, but you might have to do something. But you might not get the reward that you're actually expecting. Like, I was just working just to work. I didn't get anything for it. Sure, I had the home, right? The home life. That was great.

But it wasn't like I was getting paid or any of these benefits or anything like that. So I would say, yes, I am appreciative of the tough love, how it was done. Probably not the best way, but I did love the tough love. And why do you think you were, able to find a silver lining in that and find the positives in that. What makes you different from someone else who's experienced a similar, like maybe like turbulent type of thing growing up or forced work or something like that? And then turned out negative. Yeah. So I was able to attach to that mindset. I didn't know at the time until I started talking about it more. I was really able,

what I was able to do was attach to that type of mindset and I was put it into something that was beneficial towards me and had some type of structure. Right. So that was at the time, it was sports and school. My mom was a school teacher. She was hard on me in school, making sure I did well. So I was taking my mindset of just right undeniable right determination to get something done fast efficient and i put it towards football or not football but my sports and my education right and so that's i was putting that that same energy into those and it's continued to build me up right and so i had the saying where it's like don't shoot for the stars but build up your floor right because if you build up your floor and you fall down you're still you're still up here you still have all these

core values your education your network right and your experiences all these different things that you can that don't take money to they just took effort to do and so i was putting all that effort to this and I started to build myself up. And so now I started to have value to people. That's where I got my college, right, my opportunity to go play at college. And so that stayed with me. It's basically became who I am. And so I have all these opportunities that are, not all of these, but I have opportunities that continue to present themselves. And I'll take it and I'll just immerse myself into it, right? And not just do it, but learn about it. Learn the people in it, right? Make sure I'm an expert at it, right? Really try to encompass and bring on everything that is in an opportunity and try to

take advantage of it and be consistent at that, right? And I do that. And guess what comes from that? Hey, you're good at this. Hey, try this. Or here's, here's more. Right. And so that's how I've been able to continue to build up to this point now where, you know, I use the NFL, which is a huge platform. And then, you know, all of the status and all of the, you know, the money, all of the, right, the experts that, you know, the people that you can get connected to is just blossomed, you know, into what it is today? So how did you get scouted in college? What was that process like? Yeah. When do you start playing football, by the way? I don't know, seven or eight.

Like, you just, whenever I could play flag football, is when I started. But as far as scouting, so this was interesting for me because my senior year, well, even my junior year, I had a decent junior year, but my senior year, I had 43 touchdowns, which is a ton and ran for like 2,300 yards, and I averaged like a first down and carry.

So basically I was at a small school, so what do you have to do at a small school to get recognized? Well, you better absolutely dominate. And so that's exactly what I did. And I think it was, just the nature of where I was. It was literally Eat in Colorado. It's a one stop light town, right? One of those towns that you're on the highway

driving, you're like, hey, who would live here? You know, that's where Austin Eckler is from, you know? So as far as the nature of that, I think, kind of limited my exposure and kind of the credibility of my school and able to put out, like, Division I had no Division I talk to me. Actually, I had a Division I talk to my friend who's the long snapper for the Cowboys right now.

We graduated together. But they would never talk to me. And so I was like, okay, well, I had a couple of Division II come talk to me and they would offer me there was a couple that offered me to come out and I was like a corner come and play as athlete and kind of see where I fit in because I was 5-8 186 pounds at the time right not the fastest guy I was really strong but they what they couldn't measure was was my heart and my intensity that I brought right the things that the immeasurables right the things that continue to make me successful today so they're just looking at me on paper and being like ah

we don't like this guy right and so finally Western Colorado University comes to me is like hey they just won two games. They were terrible. We were still terrible when I was there too. But they had won two games. We got a spot. We want you to play running back. And I was like, sign me up.

I can get my business degree here. I'm going to play football here. So that's how my recruiting process went. And then what about during college? How often were you playing? What was that schedule like? How did you balance it to do between like schoolwork? Like I said, I left the day graduated because I was like this is going to be my way out.

I'm going to go get on my own. And so went up, started working. working out with the team immediately realized that I was stronger than a lot of these guys already. That was just part of, I was working out. I just fell in love with working out because it was away for me to get away and kind of get my mind off of things. And so once I got to college, it was pretty evident like, oh, like I'm already stronger than a lot of these guys have been here three, four years. And so I was like, okay, maybe I can fit in. That was kind of like my realization. Like, am I going to be able to do this? I don't know from a small school. And for me, I was there

really to get my education, like, because I knew people in the field that I wanted to go to, They had been getting into the field, getting jobs. It was kind of like a streamline for business and energy management. And so was really focusing everything on school, but in Division II, you don't get full rides. So I didn't have a full ride. So how was I supposed to increase my scholarship? Well, you have to get the accolades. You have to get all conference.

You have to get all American. And so I'm just focusing on playing football as well as I can and going to school, all right, and getting my education. And then up at Western, it's in the Colorado. It's in the mountains. So the girl, the guide ratio, it was two guys for every girl. And so that kept me really focused too As far as the outside college party Like because I'm going to a party and it's like

There's a lot of dudes here, you know So I was like okay, this ain't for me I'm gonna go work out, you know So I was able to stay focused there Whether I wanted to or not And it was kind of like okay I did a lot of fishing with my buddies out there There's no aspect that you wanted to compete

With like all the other guys here Be like yeah two to one and like all right I'm gonna get into I'm a football player I got this Yeah look no disrespect to ladies up there But it was just it was just not where I was. Not your cup of tea.

Right. At the time. Right. But anyway, so I'm going through college, right? And I'm just focusing on these, these are the main two things I'm doing, right? It's football and education, right? I don't know why, but I think, well, I do know why,

because my same energy, it just follows me. It just follows me and I just put it into the things that I care about. I started as a true freshman, right? Was like freshman offensive player of the year, right? And then continued to increase my scholarship, continue to got accepted into the program that I went to. You had to go through this, like, acceptance thing. And so it was just moving in the right path because I was putting the effort

in where it was supposed to be. And it was really structured for me. So it was streamlined. So I was able to kind of have a line as far as where I wanted to continue to follow and push. And I think that's important because when I got to the NFL, that line was gone. But we can talk about that when we get to there. So you're playing college football. And how was your work ethic relative to the average other athlete on the team? I'm way more committed. Just way more. All night and day. Was it close? When I got there, there was three seniors on. on the team. And I remember, I'm not like a huge vocal guy. I wasn't at the time anyway. And I remember getting there. There was three seniors, which means that we don't recruit three seniors, right? It means

only three or left out of the entire, you know, 50 that you recruited. And so the commitment was terrible. The leadership was terrible. And I remember our first away game. I didn't really know everybody yet. I was, I was just kind of starting to get my footing. And I remember everyone just kind of messing around. Everyone's on their phones. No one's really listening to meetings. Everyone's kind of treating like a vacation. And I remember as a freshman, like, like, coach asked at the end, if like, hey, does anyone have something to say? And I remember I had to say something. Like I said, I was a very big vocal guy, but I was like, coach, I got something. And I remember, I don't even remember what I said. I was just so nervous. I had like tears in my eyes because I cared

so much, but I wanted to say something, but I didn't know what to say. And I was just talking about how like, this is in a vacation. We're here on a work trip. And ever since that moment, they made me a captain. Jeff versus Taco Truck Salsa, whether it's Verde, Roja, or the orange one. For Jeff, trying any salsa is like playing Russian roulette with a flamethrower. Luckily, Jeff saved with Amazon and stocked up on antacids, ginger tea, and milk. Habaniero?

More like habanier, yes. Save the everyday with Amazon. Since that moon? Yeah, the moment. Yeah, so yeah, after the first away game, yeah, I became one of the team captains. Is this like a brave heart moment where you gave like a speech and you guys win. No, no, this was not like a, everyone stands up here. This was like me nervous.

Like I don't know what I'm saying. It probably came out terrible, but they probably got the message, you know. But you felt so strongly to say like, I had to. I had to say something because I cared so much because for me, this is a way for me to get to the next thing, right? This is a way for me, right? And I need the team, the team. There's more, there's a lot of us involved in this. It's not just me that can go out there and do it.

Right. We need all of us to be locked in because the success relies within all of us. So when I see everyone's messing around, I'm like, no. And I came from an organization. We didn't lose games. We lost one game a year in my football, right? And so, you know, using the playoffs, unfortunately. But so I'm coming to that where a game program, we won two games last year. And I'm like, what are you all doing? And so my senior year, we graduated 25 seniors, right? And so it shows you just like, our group bought in. Like we bought into something bigger. and committed to it. And so even the guys up there now,

like when I go back to college guys, I'm like, even just younger guys in general, I'm like, look, even if you're not going to go playing the pros, you should still commit yourself to this. Because this is practice of mental, you got to practice mental toughness. And this is a way for you to do it, right? This is a way for you to practice staying on task, right?

Working as a team, building something. And then you can transfer those skills to something else, whatever's next in your life. And so that's how I saw it. I didn't know I was going to go to the NFL. I wasn't to think about that at all. But I knew I could transfer that. What was your training like at that point?

Like how many days would you train? What was that looking like? And then diet too. So it was funny, actually. So there was like three of us in my group that I worked out with. We'd work out with the team. But then we actually got in trouble because we would go work out in the rec weight room by ourselves. And we just do extra because we can do a little bit more.

And that was just kind of we probably didn't need to do more. But we did because that's who we were. And was me, Ty, and Travis Haney. I remember us. My guys helped me just continue to grind through college. And so, I mean, we work out four days a week. and usually in the morning and then you go through school and all that

stuff you have practice in the afternoon and then meetings in the evening and then after the evening meetings right we go back to the gym after dinner and then do homework and stuff like that after and so that was pretty much the weekly grind so you're getting in like three workouts in the day we're working out a lot

yeah training yeah yeah was that over training so we were smart about it like if our legs were done like we'll go get some arms we'll get some chest like so We were smart about it. But yeah, we were definitely training a lot and got really strong. And what about diet back then?

Did it matter? Because it's like, I feel like you're working out so much. Like you could eat whatever you want. So yeah, yeah, you could eat whatever you want. Phelps diet. I mean, we didn't have, I didn't have like a table for like the athletes like you see on these bigger campuses. There's one table for the entire campus. And it was eh, it was eh.

And then, I mean, we're in college. We don't have money. So I remember eating macaroni and I put tuna in the macaroni. And that was like my go-to lunch. Are you serious? Yeah, yeah. You know those little macaroni cups? You put water in there?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I put like a cup of tuna in there. We're talking about, like, the cheddar cheese ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, man. That was, like, my go-to. That was, like, it didn't smell great. It didn't smell great.

Oh, I can, oh, wow. That probably smell rancid. Like, missing mayonnaise in there. Oh, geez. Yeah, so that was the go-to. I tell Wyatt all my little brother. He plays the Wyoming right now. I was like, hey, man, your boy, your big brother is eating macaroni and tuna.

Look where he's this. Look what I'm doing, you know. But yeah, I mean, in college, you just make it work. Were you bigger back then, like size-wise? No. No, no. I'm definitely bigger now. I would imagine, like, you would get just, like, huge, just eating, like, macaroni.

Tuna. It wasn't like an everyday thing. That was the go-to lunch, though. And it was like, they're small. It was like a one little packet is tiny compared to how many calories you're burning. And, I mean, your workouts, you have a running workout, right? You have weights, and then you have practice, you know? And then if you do the extra stuff, you know, like, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're,

burning a lot of calories, you know. Wow. Yeah. And then how did that transition from that to being in the NFL? Yeah. And then shoot, you know, it's, it's kind of just kind of continue to go down the progression. Like, right, become a captain and start having success, you know, early on, do well all four, all four years. And it kind of goes back to the same thing I said about my high school.

Or it's like, you're in a small school. So what do you got to do? We got to dominate. And I dominated every single year. Had all the accolades, all of that. And so I had scouts for the first time. come up to watch my practice my senior year and these are like aliens I'm like who like we've never seen scouts on our campus right like I'm the only guy from our school that's made to the NFL ever so like

yeah this is this organization actually exists they came for you yeah it came to watch me practice wow it was so yeah well here the thing the thing is the NFL they put a ton of money and ton of effort into finding these types of people right and going out and vetting making sure everyone every rock is turned right and so people are coming up talking to me people are asking my coach like what's wrong with him? You know, like, why is he here? Like, he's, he's got good numbers, but, like, is he not bad grades, right? Like, is he legal trouble? Like, why is he division two if he's doing this? Because they're, like, trying to figure out why I ended up there. Like, no, man, like, he was just overlooked. And he's been here and he stuck it out with this, didn't transfer,

anything like that. And so sure enough, that, that was what it came to be. And then, you know, I finished my senior year. And I dropped out the last semester. We played in the fall. I dropped out the last semester because I made a realization where it was like, like I have an opportunity that could put my life on a new trajectory, right? Like I can change the course of my entire lifestyle with this opportunity that I didn't know I could have. And I was building towards that, but I didn't realize I was building towards that. And so I wanted to make sure that there was every ounce of me that went into taking advantage

of this opportunity. And so I went and trained at this place because you have to do these things called pro days. And at the pro day, you get like evaluated and stuff. And so I needed to make sure that my numbers as far as my attributes, right, were able to be comparable, you know. And so went and dropped out. committed everything I possibly could to that.

And it's probably the best decision I've made as far as committing to myself as any point. And so ended up obviously getting an opportunity with the Chargers. And so for me, coming into the Chargers, I was six-string, right? There was really no expectation for me. I wore number three. Running backs aren't allowed to wear number three at that time anyway. I found out my head coach didn't even know my name until I made the team. And so we were together for like, I don't know, six weeks or no, I mean like four months.

Yeah. So whatever that is. 12 weeks um 16 weeks and so yeah that was just there was no expectation for me right there's zero but it comes back to the way i said before the things you can't measure right it was i had so much heart i had so much effort and passion that i put into it and i remember one time like i was trying so hard like i was i was going i called it full try hard um all the time and so like when it came to the studies like i was putting in so much extra work i was the only rookie running back that they had at the time so i didn't really have anyone to bounce anything off of and

It was just so overwhelming, I remember, because I was sixth string. I never moved up the depth chart one time. I was always sixth string. And so it wasn't like I was doing terrible, but I wasn't doing amazing. I was kind of just being consistent, right? And I remember I literally went into my coach. I started break, I just broke down because I was so stressed because I'm like, bro, I'm trying so hard. I'm doing everything right.

I'm putting in the work. I'm doing what I'm supposed to, but I'm not seeing any like affirmation. Like, hey, you're doing good, anything like that. I don't know. So I'm just, I'm losing my mind, right? going through training camp because I'm like I'm doing I'm doing well but I don't know and so you know I just continued to go through that and then we have four preseason games and I thought the last preseason game I did pretty well and I had stayed consistent made a few plays I had been doing that

throughout the entire I had a reporter come up and asked me like hey Austin how you felt like you did I was like I don't know how I did but there is nothing else you could have got for me like that was everything that was everything in the table like there's nothing else I could have done so if if it works out then great if not then you know I can go find something else to And then sure enough, you know, we have cuts. And if you get a call by like 130, you're probably getting cut. I never got a call. And then I had my player director guy be able to, hey, man, we got to get you a spot to find an apartment, right?

And so that was kind of my journey to make the team. So why did you stick with the college and not transfer out earlier? Like what made you go that almost four years? I wasn't trying to get to the NFL. It wasn't like, oh, I need to get to a different school to get to the NFL. I was getting my degree. I actually had an internship. it got offered a job with Noble Energy and oil and gas company.

So that's why I was going. So I was there for my education. Yeah. And then what was that like your first day at the NFL? Like how was that different from college? Yeah. So in the NFL, really there's no one to hold your hand. And it's just throughout the entire year, not just in season,

but really in season in the college world. Like we have meetings at this time. We have workouts. We have meetings, you're pretty much scheduled all day, right? In the NFL, it's not like that. Like, people have families, people go back home. It's like it's almost like a nine to five during the week for us, right? And then you have whatever you do after.

We don't have any school anymore, right? So it's like, what do I do now? You know, so there's a lot of video games and a lot of studying, right? It's just kind of just keeping myself, I guess, trying to pick myself up. And so really from the day to day, after setting up your time and getting everything scheduled, there's nothing that's really different during season, besides you get paid. Right? You don't get paid in college, right?

So that was the biggest difference. For instance, I remember I left my truck at home for my little brother to have, and I would Uber to the facility for like the first, like, I don't know, four weeks until I got my first paycheck. And I finally went and bought a car. And so that was kind of the situation we were in. So just out of curiosity, because I don't really understand the whole timeline once you go from college to NFL. So you had one semester left. Yeah. You recognize the fact that there was a chance you could go to the NFL.

Correct. So you signed up for this basically four week period that. So, yeah, let me take you through. I'm assuming to apply for, right? No. No, anyone can try out, you know, but if you get the recognition is a different story. So let me, I'll do a fast story. So after college, you go through what's this evaluation period where you have like the pro day and the combine.

Basically you just get all your attributes so you can be compared to all the other players. And so before you get to those, you do a bunch of training just to make sure you're good with the technique and stuff like that. So there's probably, I don't know, eight weeks of that type of training because I think the, I think the combine's in March, I believe. I think it just happened. And so you train for the combine, and then after the combine is, right, the draft and all these before the draft is pro days. So you do one,

you do pretty much the same thing of the combine, but you do it at your school now. And so now you'll do more drills and stuff like that. And then is the actual draft where you actually get selected to a team. And then between the draft and actual getting to the team, there's like another month and a half. And so there's a big off season, right?

Like during this time now it's a vet, like I'm just training and building my businesses, right? And so that's what I'm, I do now. But during that, it was just train, train, train, train, to make sure that I... Try to make the next level, make the next level. Right, exactly. Because there, you don't know any better. So you think you need to train as much as you do. You really do just to make sure you get your reputation when you get that. Then you start to get your routine as far as how you actually want to be a pro. Interesting. How much was the first check? The first check. I think

my minimum is almost doubled since I've been in the league, which is crazy. I think my minimum was like 430,000. And we would get two game checks and one check. And so, And I live in California. So, yeah. So there's a big chunk out of that. So I don't remember. I think checks were like 19,000. And you would get, I forgot however many of those.

And so two of those combined or whatever it was, right? It would be like $40,000. You're right. $40,000 every two weeks. Wow. Yeah. Or every four weeks, actually. Whatever it is.

Every four weeks. So whatever, whatever, it was like a 17, 17 week pay schedule. Or no, eight week pay schedule because it was 16 games and then you get paid every two games, right? So you just get two game checks every Friday, right?

Every other Friday. And it's just direct deposit. Just direct deposit, yeah. Just big checks, right? Boom, I'm like, oh, I didn't know that was real money. Like, what the heck? And even for me then, right? Making $430,000 was insane, right?

Or just came from college. I'm not making any money. Now people in college are making 400, like, because of NIL stuff. But yeah, for me at that time, it was just like, okay, like now I have a real opportunity to actually get myself financially set up as well, you know. So you're making the minimum

because you kind of just got your foot in the door through all of the training and everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just made it. And then walk us through what happens next. You get that $30,000 check. You buy a car. Yeah, finally buy a car.

What do you spend it on? So the first thing was the car. I was renting, which my rent was like $2,300, which I just came from college where my rent was $400 a month. And now I'm like, this is disgusting, right, for my one bedroom. Right. You know, rent's crazy.

Really, I mean, $2,300 isn't bad nowadays now. I'm looking out there. It's crazy. What's going on in that market? I barely think so, too. And so, right, start to get some checks coming in. Really, I'm just saving up. Like, that's what I was advised.

Like, we have, like, these little seminars are like, hey, just save your money. Don't spend it on anything until you figure out kind of like what a plan is after. So I really didn't buy anything major. The first thing I ever bought was actually after my second year. I bought my first duplex. And that's kind of what I think sparked off because I knew I wanted to get back in real estate. So this is a way for me too. And that's pretty much what sparked off kind of like my entrepreneurial phase again,

being back in the business space is when I started to accumulate rental properties. And I actually had a connection to a house flipper out in my area. And he had been flipping single families, but it was starting to get into multifamilies. And so he had a couple duplexes coming up that he was going to be flipping. I was like, hey, I'll buy him from me. kept me a deal and I was buying for me right right off the rip. And so that's how I actually started building up my real estate portfolio. And then that turned into, right, I started a foundation, right?

And then that turned into, right, I started a streaming company. And then the streaming company turned into the app. And then, you know, it's just continuing to start to just sprout out as I continue to learn. I continue to connect. And now during my off seasons, now it's just full of just that, right? Connecting, learning, right, talking about these types of things, meeting types of people, that can possibly, right, we can add value to each other. So it's been a fun journey.

And, you know, I planted a seat a long time ago. That's what I talk about, you know, today when I tell these young guys, like, what you should do right now, don't spend any money, just learn and connect with people. Like, that's all you should be doing, right? Because that's going to present you your next opportunity if we're talking off the field. The ride that steals the spotlight every time it hits the road, that's the Volkswagen TIG-1. Its sleek exterior makes a first impression you can't ignore.

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actually, my rookie year, I really just mainly played special teams. Actually, my favorite stat to this day is that I led the NFL and tackles on punt on my rookie year. And so I was on special teams, right?

And so not offense or defense, it's everything else in between the kicking game. And so for me, that was how I was making my living. And so I treated it like it was everything. Like that was my starting role. That was everything for me. And so I treated like my life dependent on it. You have to go down there and make these plays. And so that was the severity that I put it in my life.

Like this is everything to continue on this trajectory, continue growing myself down this path. And that's how I continue to add on to my role. I took advantage of that I was having success, so they started putting me on offense. I started scoring touchdowns. They started giving me more offense. I started scoring more touch than being even more efficient. And then I just continue. Now I'm just fully offense.

And I became the starter, right? And then I, you started leading categories in the NFL. And then now for the past two years I've had the most touchdown scored by anybody. So it's like I just continue to build on the roles that have been given to me. And not only on the field, but even off the field, as I can continue to grow professionally as well. What year would you say your career really took off? Was it two years ago? And what was that that really was the big catalyst?

Was there a moment that you made a touchdown? It was like that guy. Yeah. So actually, so after my second year, my second year, I still kind of split special teams. And then the following year,

the guy that was starting in my position, because I was still a backup, he held out. And he held out because he was trying to get a bigger contract. He was trying to renegotiate the teams. They weren't in agreements yet. And so it gave me an opportunity where I was the second string. Well, guess what?

Now you've got to start for us, Austin. And so I had never. started before. So it was kind of a moment where I was like, okay, let's see if this kid can do it. And for the first three games, I was lights out, scoring touchdowns. I remember the first game of the season came out and we went to overtime and I like scored the game winner in overtime and, you know, places going crazy, you know. And so was able to kind of show that I can carry the load as a starter. And that was probably my biggest year. I had, you know, like 11 touchdowns. That was the most I had scored that year. I almost had a thousand yards receiving as

a running back, you know, had like 450 or something like that. that rushing yards. And so that was where I really showed that, hey, I could be reliable on offense as well. And that's really, after that year, I got my big contract, my second contract, where I signed, I signed four years for 26 million. And that was like the moment. That was like the year that really kicked off where I am today. Then I take it when that happens, now you're on everybody's radar. Yeah. Does it almost work at like a group think effect where it's like, you send one deal and all the other teams are like, wait a second, they just signed him. Hmm. Like, does some kind of work like that?

So for me, I was in a scenario where I was, I was trying to get extended. I wasn't, I was restricted. So I wasn't free. Basically, only, I can only do with the chargers unless they didn't want me. If they didn't want me, then I was able to go out to the open market. How does that work? It's like, when you sign your first deal with them, they say like, all right, if we want you back, you have to sign an exclusive option with that.

So I was the undrafted route. So undrafted, you signed for three years. And then you have a fourth year. where you can basically be what we call like tendered, where they can put like a draft pick on you and that's slotted to a certain amount of money. If a team wants you, they can trade you, but they have to give up that draft pick that they put on you, right?

So they're, hey, Austin's a second round draft pick and that gets slotted for, you know, I don't know, $6 million. So someone has to give up a second round draft pick if they want me. And so we wanted to get around all that. We're like, hey, let's get something a little bit longer, longer done, right? I've added a lot of value.

I think I can go beyond that. I think I'm worth more than that. And so that's exactly what we did. And we're like, hey, let's not do the tender and do it one year, but let's do a four year. And so that's, I'm in the fourth year of my four year deal right now. Got it. And of the 26, is it like, you know, 26 is the total, but then like agents take their lawyers and like this and that and then California.

California six. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How much whittles down from that amount? Yeah. Where does it go and like what, how many people are on your team? Yeah. So it's changed over time. It's a ton now.

And so at the very beginning, right? Yeah, like you said, California takes half, right? 13's going to California, 37 or whatever is, 33. 37's going to the feds, right? So right, off the bat, 50%, right? Half. And then my agent's taking 3%. Some goes to the union for dues and things like that.

And then, so yeah, you're left with, I don't know, 45% at the end of it. At that time where I didn't have any like people helping me work or things like that. And so then that's really where my entrepreneurial side started to kick up. And I started to do the foundation. I started to do my streaming company. So I needed to start hiring people to help me. And so my manager right now, Madison,

she became like the first, my right-hand man. Right. And so it was like she helps me manage everything. And right, that became an expense. So it just gets chipped down, chip down, chip down. But I mean, the reason to hire someone is because they're helping me make more somewhere else, right? So endorsements also started to pick up.

And so I think two years ago was like the first year I ever passed seven figures or yeah, seven figures in endorsement money. And so yeah, that started to really pick up, right? And so your name starts to get bigger in these different communities as you have more success, right? So you can need more infrastructure to help you manage it all. Right. And so now I have, right, I have a marketing team that helps me continue to get endorsements

and keeps me in that. I have a PR team that helps me to get interviews and get on podcasts and push different stories that I want to do. obviously the agency as well. We have Nick, Madison, and right, so you start to really build out and out the team for the app, the team for the foundation. And so I have a real estate fund as well. And so all these things start to, right, start building up.

You have to build teams around these as they continue to grow. And so they've been pretty self-sufficient to this point now because I've been growing them for about three years. And, but yeah, it's been a ton. So you can kind of see me really putting myself in a position to when I'm done playing. Like I have all these avenues where I can. still have some type of, right, some type of traction in as far as gaining income and things like that. Now, is that common for people to do? Like, what about for your teammates? No, not common at all.

You know what the one thing? I've been hearing a lot of stories about this of the initiations, all going out to dinner and someone picks up. Yeah, the $60,000 meal. I've watched a lot of GQ sports and they'll talk about like the $60,000 meals. It's a real thing. It's a real thing, but usually only for like the first or second rounders, right? This guy is getting a $7 million signing, bonus. So you kind of like pay your dues. And especially if you're an O-Lignment, it's the worst because you have 12 guys in your room, right, that are all huge human beings. Right. So if you go out to dinner, drinks, several drinks, lots of plates of food, every appetizer times three probably. And yeah, you're getting stuck with a $20,000, $30,000 for sure. Did that happen to you? Or had you

participated? I was undrafted. So my signing bonus was $5,000. Like I was like, who I got some money. You know, like that was my signing bonus. So my like rookie. duties where I had to snack the room, right? I had to make sure the room was full of snacks all year. And so it was something more manageable within my price range at the time. But you never partook on the other side. No, I never had to. No, no, no, yeah, I'm running up the bill for one of my other guys.

I just feel so bad about doing that. I don't think I could do that. Yeah, so that's what we do now. Like with our current workies, like we don't, no, I'm not, not run up the bill on it, but we make them, like they'll pay, they'll get us dinners on Thursdays, and they'll make sure all of our snacks are still there. So, yeah, it's probably, it's probably a thousand. 1500 bucks at the end of the year that you spent, but it's manageable.

But now what about for your other teammates? Are they, is it typical that they spend just a ton of money in general? Or are people smartening up a little bit now that's trying to save? Yeah. For the most part, most of our guy, like the bankrupt and like, oh, all these pros going. Like that's, I feel like that was so like old school, like back in the day. Now, I mean, it wouldn't be that hard, but it would be really hard to spend our minimum now. I think the minimum was like $7,800,000.

And so if you had a real problem, you could get it done. But for the most part, most of our guys, I think there's like 3%. I saw a number of our guys are actually going broke now. So it's, yeah, it's dramatically different. And I think that's just access to more stories, more information. We have more resources to make sure we're protecting our guys. And so also now something that we've done is instead of getting paid eight times that they're here, huge fat checks, now we get paid 34 times.

So we cut it so you get half a game check, right? So you get half a game check throughout the year. Right. So you play a game, right? Over the next two weeks, you'll get that full check. And then it pushed it out. So now your checks are significantly smaller, right? So it kind of helps you kind of budget throughout the rest of the off season as well.

Because during the off season, you don't get paid. Got it. You know? How do you approach your spending at this point? Is there any temptation when you see such a large amount where you're like, oh, man, I could afford this if I wanted to? So I bought a Corvette. That was like my big ticket. What year?

The C8, the 2020. Oh, nice. Okay. Convertible or the coup? The convertible. I want to push the button. I didn't want to have to get up. I love the Zos.

The Zos, yeah. So nice. I thought about trade mine in, but I didn't end up pulling the trigger. I'm just going to keep the original 2020. And so that would be like, I guess, my big purchase. I have two houses. So that's actually some significant money as well. But I keep a roommate in California to mitigate some of that cost.

And then I also rent out my house to the Raiders players here in Vegas. So kind of just pay for one and a half. houses, you know, throughout the year. How do you rent out a house here to other players? How does that work out? I just get in contact with their player director. I had a friend that played with Trent that I just grew up with who was his long snapper for the Cowboys.

He was on the Raiders. And so I kind of got to end with them. And then, I mean, we're all one phone call away. Like we all somewhat know each other. We're part of the same brotherhood. So there's always new guys that are coming in. And so it's like, hey, if you want to use the house, right? Here's rent.

It's already furnished. And so a lot of guys that signed one years will take it. interesting jack's thinking about doing that yeah you need play i've never heard of that but that's cool i was like how do i justify having these two houses well first of all i can't get away from taxes with football money but i could get away with it for my for my endorsements because my endorsements were just paid to wherever i lived in my my residency was in california and so i was like well just moving to right nevada alone right i saved 13% of my seven figure right endorsement money so that's just paying for the house itself just by coming over

And then I was like, okay, well, still don't want to have these huge mortgages, you know. And so I was like, okay, let me rent it out. Let me get a roommate out there. Like, I'm not single, but I'm not living with my lady right now. And so it's like, it's no big deal. Where do you think that frugality came from? Graham Steffen. Oh, there we go.

Because you subscribe. That's right. Got to hit the like button and subscribe. You too could save a lot of money. That's right. Really? I think it came from just my simple life growing up where it wasn't. I didn't have any elaborate things or have any big desires.

It was really just what I needed to get by. I always wanted a Corvette. And so now I kind of have my Corvette. Other than that, it's like, sure, I have two houses, but it's more so just for the, to save some money there. And then everything else is really just invested, right? Invested in just different businesses that I try. I have a really creative mind.

And so it's like a blessing and a curse where you try things. And, you know, it's a curse because you're trying all these things and some of them don't work out. Yeah. Or some of them evolve. and things like that. And so, yeah, that's where a lot of my money goes. Like, what didn't work out?

Like, what were some of those businesses? It wasn't necessarily that didn't work out, but things were, you know, I get, especially like during COVID, there was this time where, right, there was, there was a low, everyone was home, content was booming. And I invested in the company, which I don't want to say the name right now. But basically they were like a streaming company for athletes, right? And it was like, I just kind of impulse, put it in $375,000. And I was like, boom, here.

Like, I love this. It's a great idea. Let's do it. And that was like the year after I had just gotten paid. And so when I realized, like, it takes, you know, 700,000 to make that, you know, 300 and something thousand. And it's like, that was probably too big of an investment, right? Just me getting educated the hard way of overpaying for things, investing too much. One thing that, like, I started a streaming company.

It's not that it failed, but I realized I learned that I only have some. much bandwidth, you know, and so I was basically having to do everything, all the creative, getting everyone set up, all the streams, executing it at all. And so that just knew, okay, I got, I got burnt out, right? I couldn't do it anymore. And so it just really took a lot of learning that I went through. I invested in a company that was one of my teammates in college company, and it was like lamps and stuff like that. And it was just like, sure, you're my buddy. This seems like a good idea, right? And it was just like, yeah, that didn't really work out. I've got pitched the restaurant, you know, from a family member that wants to start a restaurant.

Luckily, I didn't get into that one. But it's like, ah, like, there's things that were, it's like early on I was getting pulled different directions and I kind of just got burned a few times. And so it's like, okay, now that I'm older, I've been investing more in myself and the things that I want to do. I still invest here and there, but it's really, it's really tight and since. It's hard to say no when you have so many opportunities. And a lot of them sound pretty good.

You don't know which ones are going to hit. until you say yes to them and then follow through. Right. And I was young. And so I was like, oh, let's try this, try this, try this. And then you're like, oh, wait, where'd my money go? You know? Yeah.

For startups, you basically assume it's going to be zero. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and if it's not, hopefully it's right, a 10x, right? It was like, okay. So that's why you had the risk reward. Yeah. But for the most part, I put my money into real estate.

Like I was telling you, I continued to buy. Ended up buying 30 from that, well, not from that guy, but in that area. Some multifamily, some condoms. and then actually teamed up with that same flipper and we wanted to go bigger. And that's when we started the fund together and bought a mass foreclosure out in Missouri and had been basically turning that one over for the past year and a half. And so it's kind of like my portfolio. That's like my baby is the real estate portfolio.

So we had Stephen Jackson and Matt Barnes ex-NBA players on this podcast. And I asked the question of what percentage of professional athlete success is some form of like, say physiological superiority. So just like natural inborn, you know, biological superiority versus luck versus hard work. Yeah. It's a combination. It depends on who you're asking. Because if you look at me, like, sure, I'm strong, but I'm also 5'8, right?

I'm not the fastest guy in the field. So how am I getting it done? Well, a lot of the things come down to the things that we said, like, that can't be measured for me, right? Just I have like an obsession with the things that I'm involved with. and I immersed myself into them to be as efficient as possible. And it worked perfectly on the football field, right? Where it's like that's what you need to do to be a good player.

You need to be consistent. You need to continue to make sure you're incrementally having some type of right growth. And I've done that forever. And so for me, I think it was more mental for me, right? Yeah, absolutely you had to have the physical makeup to do it, right? Like I didn't have a lot of injuries. I still don't have a lot of injuries. So whatever my body composition has worked.

But then the mental part. So as far as percent, but I know guys on the team that, They're just huge or they're just like, why do you look like that? And you, because I know how you work out and it doesn't match. Where it's like, and they can get it done and they're going to get paid $20 million a year because they have that type of, right, they have that type of body type. And then when you get the guys that put it together, those guys are honestly, take off.

And so I would say it depends. It really depends. For me, it's mostly mental. But in general. in general, I think the average career is like three years. And so if I think more guys had the mental to actually commit like I have or even more, than I think that career length would be longer. But I think guys just get fizzled out because they don't have their handheld anymore.

Right. When you're in college, you got to go to this, you got to go to this, you got to go to this. In the NFL during the off season, you can do whatever you want. It's left up to you and you can do what you want. You can do what you want. And guess what? Those rookies are coming out. They're hungry.

They're ready to go right now. You know, and if you're not, guess what? You're losing your job, right? Because I remember me, I was doing everything I could. I dropped out of school for this, right? I got nothing. I had nothing. You got, you know, you got the contract, you got all that.

I got nothing. I'm coming for everything that you got, right? And so that's the mentality I had. So if you got guys like that, thousands of them coming out every single year and you're not on your game, you're going to get weeded out real quick. And so for the guys that stick, mental is huge. For the guys that don't, I feel like there's probably some mental capacity. There's physical capacity.

Some guys just aren't good enough or you just hurt and things. like that. But I don't know, I could say 50-50. Yeah. Where some of the other businesses that you've done that are doing well? Doing well. Yeah, you reached out to me about one business you wanted to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so experience. So really what I've learned is that there's so much power in different types of communities, right? Like I came from a small town. I got into, right, the Chargers organization and I started to have all this unconditional love from all these Chargers fans. I don't even know these people that don't know me, but I was so, I was so just like thankful, like people that were like cared about me like they hit me up or they follow me like that thought that was so cool

and i was like i didn't really realize what i was giving to them but was just entertainment but i was just like this is amazing like i just go out there and play football and people follow me and then i get endorsements and stuff like that and so i was like there's so much power in that and then i started meeting people that were doing cool things right actors like other influencers right different experts and fields and so and i was like let me use this community and can try to continue to build it so i can continue to have more opportunities And so that's when I started the streaming company and was helping people stream. I was streaming a bunch of opportunities. And I was like, okay, streaming is kind of too niche.

Like, it's like really just there's not a lot of people that stream. And so let me pivot that and let me start a platform where you can engage with your fans and basically set up a menu of what types of engagements you want to do and what you're willing to do and put your prices next to them. And so I wanted to create things because people were always asking like, hey, can you sign my jersey? Hey, like, can I donate to you? Hey, where can I talk to you about fantasy? Right.

Fantasy football is huge. And so I was like, well, I don't want to just DM all these people and stuff. I was like, let me create this. So that's what experience is. It's a platform where you can engage with fans. Like there's a way you can get your jersey signed. You can do a video chat. Like I set up all these different interactions I'm willing to do and put a price next to them.

And so I've been, I've done like 300 engagements. We've been launched for like three months now. So we're inviting other influential people on just to continue to. That's really neat. So is it similar to cameo or is it like cameo plus like other stuff? Well, so yeah, cameo is known for like their personalized video. And so really I wanted to be more innovative in the space. So it was kind of more unique experiences.

So we do have like the personalized videos. You can do that. But like we have game with me. So there's a lot of people that game. So if you want to set up and game with somebody, right, you can set up an opportunity to do that. If you want to get something like jersey, like how you can get your jersey sign? Well, you better go bag at the sideline or so I put a sign that I do once a year. You know, if you don't do that, you ain't getting the thing signed.

So I was like, let me make a virtual version so you can get you this thing signed. Right. So basically how it works, you pay, I think mine's $99 bucks to get your Austin Neckler jersey sign. You send it to experience. we verify it, send it to me with a return address back to them. And so that's kind of like our flow goes. And so we'll continue to innovate. I have some other opportunities and we'll continue to add other experiences.

We have six right now. Wait, so can people, can I, if I go on there and say like, hey, if you want to grab dinner with me, X amount like you can't? No in person. No. Why? Just liability. Liability.

Because I don't know everybody. Right. If I know someone's competent enough to like do in person, that would make sense. I guess so. You're facilitating a meeting of two people and something crazy. Like if it's a super fan and some way. Yeah. So and it's about to say, man, like the spend a day like hanging out would be huge.

But huge. Come train with me for an hour. Or like, hey, come speak to our fans or our students or something like that. I get that, but I didn't want to deal with the liability of the person. Fair enough. Yeah. I got a question. So if you're a YouTuber, let's say you're a, there's this guy, Patty Galloway.

He's like a YouTube consultant. He knows about the algorithm. If he wants to go on there and critique someone's YouTube video editing or something like that just very custom services that he can provide to his fans can he do literally anything so yeah so with that I would either say do a social media offering we have a social media category and then you could put YouTube on there and you could say like video review thumbnail advice you can do thumbnail advice right you can put basically I mean we can pull it up but we can create categories within our different offerings like social media so you can create categories within that with

In personalized video, like I have workout advice. I have workout tips, things like that. So you can customize things that are relevant to you and your audience. Yeah. That's interesting. Yeah. So what was your involvement in that? I built it.

Well, I was a creative. I was a creative for all of it. And then I hired a dev team to build it all for me. So we've been developing it for the past two years. What was the cost to make that? And then what's the back end look like? Yeah. So this is where we learned the hard way again.

Yeah. overspending, right? Coming into a new field, don't have the expertise. Sometimes you touch the stove. During the time where you have a worker shortage for engineers. Yes. Oh, man. Yes.

Double right now. So touching the stove, you're getting burned. And so really, I think, shoot, probably like 800,000. Whoa. Big, big, big, big, big. How to get to 800K? Two years of development. Two years of development.

For an app. How? How? How. How many people were working on that? Four? Wow. Four.

Yeah. So it's a big, it's a huge project. It's huge project. We have. But you do get an R&D credit, I believe, for taxes. There's a whole bunch of stuff you could use on that, too. And then there's, I mean, there's two sides to it too, right?

That's just the dev side. But basically we're done. Like, it's built. Like that, it's done. Right. So now it's like, okay, now it's just put efforts, right? Our dev costs are way down now compared to what they used to be. It's really just maintenance.

And so the app's built. It's like a house. It's already built. We just got to get people to use the house, you know. And so that's where we're reaching out, and we'll continue to strategize on getting people on the site. And so that's where we're positioning ourselves. And we'll continue.

Like, I have some other ideas. We're like, like, right now with our game jerseys. We don't do anything with our game jerseys. And it's like, so I sold, I took a game jersey and I sold it. I put it off for $4,000 and it sold instantly. And I was like, um, uh, this is the one you wore in the game. This is one I wore in a game. Yeah.

So can you just wear a different jersey every game. Yeah. You can give you a new. So you have to buy it. You have to buy it. So I'm going to buy all my jerseys this year. And I sold, and I was like,

let me try to sell one. Can you say how much you pay for him? $375 bucks. Oh. So, I mean, it's kind of expensive. But still,

but it's in the game. It's like, in the game. There's only, there's only going to be 17 of these a year plus playoffs, which are going to be even more premium. And especially if it's a good game. Right.

Or playoffs. Yeah. Is it that you could like, not like, not number it, but like this is the jersey in this game in particular. Yeah. You could like,

you could lay like, Oh, I have a Thursday night game against a division rival or something. And like it's a really anticipated game. So could you buy my shirts like just right now? Grimm, you're not. You could. You could. I'm a guy that offered to pay for my shoes.

Wow. Yeah. Well, we know, we know about your bathwater. Yeah. Yeah. I got a question. So could you technically buy four jerseys and then just wear like a different jersey in different parts of the game?

Just every quarter have a different one. This is the famous like, probably going to score touchdown on this play. put this jersey on yeah like you one plate i have a question outside of finance and money yeah how do you combat uh performance anxiety because even for me and i play ping pong like casually i'll play with my friends i went to a ping pong tournament okay first turn i ever did and i lost a lot of games i should not have lost and ended up getting like nearly dead last in the tournament and then after the tournament i I played the guy who won the tournament and I beat him. And now you guys are probably thinking he wasn't trying.

Trust me when I say, he probably hopefully was. Okay. I get performance anxiety sometimes. Man. How do you go out on the field when you have like 40,000, however many thousand people watching you live on top of however many people are watching you online and not get nervous or like fumble the ball? Well, you do fumble sometimes, but you're not trying to.

Sure. But no, man, I mean, for us, especially us in the athlete world, I feel like we've been performing since we could walk, you know, like it's like once we, like I started playing soccer like four years old, right? And you start to do that. I've done that forever. I've always played in front of a crowd in the fall playing football, right? And so you start to, you start to get out there and you start to it becomes a routine for you.

Now when it got really big because I went from about a couple thousand to, right, 60,000, 70,000, you definitely got some. Like I still get nervous before games, right? I feel those, those butterflies, you know. But really, I think the premoner. reparation and then holding yourself to the highest standard, putting the most pressure on yourself is what's helped to me. Like, no one can ever put any more pressure on myself than I put on myself. You know, like I have fans that will call me X, Y, Z.

I need to do this, do that. Coaches on my ass all the time. And it's like, that's great. I need that push, but you're not going to push me more than I'm going to push myself, especially because where I've came from, how I've got there and what I'm doing right now. And so that really helps me push through. You literally just, it's just blinders. It becomes like I'm in a trans. Like I'm just like so focused on just what's in front.

in me as far as just all the, there's football, right? I don't even hear the crowd when you're on the field. And so it's kind of, it's kind of trippy, actually, because it's like, you know they're there, but it's like I'm just locked into signals and things like that. And there's times where you can't not hear them, you can't hear anything, right? But you can still communicate where we have all, we prepare like crazy for those scenarios. So we can just basically go out there and perform under so much noise where we can't hear yourself, yourself think. I remember playing Kansas City one night. And it was a loudest stadium. I've, ever been in a lot of environment had ever been in and it was Philip rivers we were a few years ago

but everything was just signals everything was just signals get it done and so talking and boom he's back there clapping trying to get the snap you know and uh it's pretty epic though man like moments like that or like man like when you look back you're like man that game like things like that you never forget oh i'm really curious now when you're in the middle of a game coming up with the different strategies how much of that evolves like on the field yeah i bet you go into a thinking, all right, we're going to do this and this and this, but then that could change in like a second time. Oh, yeah.

You know how to adapt. You can change one play. Really? What's working? That's what's going to, that's what's going to, you know, guide your game plan. Because you have different matchups on the field, right? They have strengths to their defense. We have strengths to our offense, right?

And so can we exploit those? And maybe it changes. Maybe, okay, this player is playing, right, really good this game. We didn't expect that or vice versa. And so really it comes down to, okay, what's working for us? And guess what? It's going to be some trial on air. You come out, you have, usually your first 10 plays are scripted.

Like, we know what we're going to run on the first 10 plays, right? No matter what, we're running these plays. Just to see what they're in, how they're reacting, how they're adjusting. And then from then on, that's play ball. Let's adjust and go on the fly. But how do you know what the other person's going to be doing? Do you just have you just played with each other long enough that you could kind of anticipate, like, hey, if I run over here, this guy is.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. That's just hours, countless hours of film study and then practice, right? And it's like, hey, if they're in this coverage, we're doing this. If they switch to this coverage, we're doing this. And so it's all, it's all an art, right? Defense are trying to disguise, you know, are they playing it this way? Or they playing it that way? And for the most part, there's no new defenses getting created.

Like the ones that work are the ones that are already implemented. And so you pretty much know the lingo and know what the structure of different defenses look like. And so then you try to basically adjust with different route concepts in between those and give yourself options. When it's like, if it's cover two, we're working over here. Right? If it's man, we're working over here.

Right. So that's why the quarterback position is getting paid $50 million a year now because you have to see all this and adjust on the fly. What's the craziest fan experience you've had? Hmm. Faisiest fan experience. Like as far as like, I'm trying to think. There's nothing that really stands out.

Someone ever try to like rip your shirt off your back or something like that? Oh, I mean, so people are just like, they like getting, they're like almost in. shock like when they see me sometimes because a lot of people it's mainly fantasy football fans right that have had me on the fantasy I scored all those points for them they won the championship like I think it was like some number it was like it was like 12 percent or maybe it was like some it was I had the highest number if you had me on the team I was the highest percentage of fantasy championships or if you had me on your team you won my brother has a team yeah yeah yeah yeah and so if you

had me our team you had a very good chance to win your championship and so when people see me because now they finally see me a person. Like they like become like over excited. And so a lot of times it's like they like want to like touch me. And they're like, hey man, like try to put my arm around me or they're like getting really close to me. And they're like, hey, oh, oh, like, you want me all my. This money and my fantasy championship.

Because they're passionate about this stuff, right? So they're just like overjoyous all of a sudden because they weren't expecting it. And it's like, whoa. Like like, these people with me are like, like, is this okay? And they're like my little brother one time. It's like, yo, bro, back off. Like it's like people just like. are so excited.

And so that's usually the one, the experience that I'm like, okay, like, yeah, well, I mean, I'll take pictures with anybody, but it's like, okay, like, this is getting a little too much, bro. And I might, you know, be a little bit more assertive in those scenarios than I usually am. But as far as, like, crazy fan experiences, for the most part, people are cool, almost too cool like that. Where it's like, yes, I know, I want to take a picture. I'm excited.

You're excited about it, me too. So, but yeah, yeah, that's the one thing, especially, like, there's so many different communities that tap into, right? you have the Chargers community in the fantasy football. I don't know if you guys ever play or like do sports betting or stuff like that. It's huge, right? It is massive. And so that's what's continued to make the NFL grow, right?

Because you got people that don't even watch, we don't even Charger fans, but they got Austin on their team. So now they're watching the Charger games, right? So that's more viewers, you know, across the entire globe, right? I did a podcast for some people in Indonesia that were fans, and they were in one of my charity fantasy leagues. And they wanted me to come on their podcast.

And I was like, yeah, absolutely. I'll come on your pocket, but it's global, right? I do streams. I have people from Iceland that watch and tune in and stuff like that. So it's pretty cool. Do you or have you ever fan-girled being on the same field as someone else? Ooh. So I'm going to say no.

Just because I never watched the NFL growing up. So I didn't like look up to these guys. I never watched the NFL until about my, after my junior of college. When I was like, oh, you might have an opportunity to watch this and play this. But it was funny. the first time ever saw Philip Rivers, who was my quarterback at the time, back in when they were in San Diego, and we just moved to L.A. He had like nine people out there talking to him and stuff like that, and I thought he was like doing a meet and greet. And come to find out, those were all of his kids.

The dude has nine kids. So I thought that was hilarious. It was kind of like a wake-up call, like, oh, like these are actual grown men with real families here. I'm 21 coming into the league. This guy's 30-something, right, with nine. kids and they're just like oh okay this is a this is a real like business with grown people that are doing things out in the real world too so that was pretty funny but no no real like fan girls moments and when you're on the field how much

of your mind is there in the game versus how much of your mind is thinking about the past of the future just like other random stuff that might be passing wow I'm you have to lock in so hard that like you can't think about anything else because just blinders literally you have to focus on what you're doing or you will get hurt. Like, I realize, especially the old line, if they miss somebody, if they don't block somebody, he's drilling me, right? And it's like, that's my, literally my livelihood out there on the field. I rely on these guys being locked in. And it's same for me. If I'm not locked in, I miss step. I go the wrong direction. I'm getting pile drive by a 300 pound dude, right,

into the ground. And it's not, it's not soft, right? It's on turf most of the time. So, no, your livelihood depends on you being locked in. So at that level, you don't have time to be, right, second guessing and things like that. How do you get your mind right, though? Let's just say you have like a bad day. Maybe you get in an argument or something like that. Like your mind's not in the right place. How do you lock in like that? Ooh.

Ooh. Man, how do I lock in? I don't know. It's one of those things where you show up and when it's game day. There's really nothing that matter. Like you stay at the hotel the night before to kind of get away from everything. Kind of just reset. It's just all football.

You're all around your guys. So it kind of helps you get into just a mode where you're just getting ready for this game. Right. So everything's preparing. up to the game all the meetings all the final adjustments right going over the things for the fifth time of the week right everything's just focused on just hyper focusing on the game and so really it's hard to get distracted I feel like if you're doing the right things um if you're getting distracted then you're probably right right you're probably not doing the right things you're probably

not going to be playing very long if you're able to get distracted on game days because that's for us in our career or our profession like that's the the ultimate test you know and that's how you're going to get paid or is what you do on game day right and so if if you're not if you're not if you're not locked in if you're not paying attention making sure you're doing the right thing you're probably going to lose some opportunities and guess what those college kids they're coming. How do you get over the fear of potentially getting

hurt? Like I'd be terrified of getting on the field and just knowing that like all these people are chasing me and just won't knock me down. So really it comes down to your intentions you know and especially in my position you got to run through you got to run through somebody

like I'm not taking any hits I'm hitting you you know you're not hitting me, right? So it's really fight energy with energy. Like in my, especially at my spot where I have the ball in my hands most of the time, you're not touching me. And if you are, you're going to feel me,

right? And so it comes down to have to have the intent and running with that. And so you have to. Like, these guys are actually trying to rip your head off. They want to hurt you. Like they want, because you're one of these teams's best players.

They want you out the game, right? They're trying to take you out. And so how do you not get taken out? Well, you try to take them out by hitting them, right? And so that's the intensity of what it comes to, you know, in the trenches.

So it's why I love it because it just fits my mindset And what I've been growing through and what I've been been been through so it's been great So do people rarely ever pull their hits like if they're coming after you you have the ball and they're coming from an angle that could maybe be kind of dangerous for you They will not pull their hit. It's just all in no yeah. Yeah, yeah, you take this take this dude out 100% yeah Yeah, that's what gets people high if if you do that especially in front of your sideline your sideline erupts going crazy Whoa right everyone's juice right because you just smoke this dude you know and so yeah On your side that happens, you're like, oh, shit. But how do you do that if the guy's like 300 pounds, 6 foot 4?

Like, how do you go up against that? So for me, for me, it's different. I'm trying not to get tackle, right? But if it comes down to it, yeah, look, look, I got leverage. I'm probably going to get lower than you. And so we're going to see how it plays out. And I'm pretty strong too. So, you know, people underestimate me.

They try to throw their body at me, throw shoulders. I'm going to bounce right off of that. I'm running through that. And so sometimes you get got for sure. I've been destroyed a couple times. I remember we playing Denver this last year. Whole stadium heard that one. Everyone,

oh, yeah! Because I came through, I actually didn't see a guy and my right tackle kind of like tripped going up to him. And so I see daylight. And this guy, he's on the right side. He's supposed to be getting blocked.

He's not. And he's coming from my blind spot and just straight right underneath my pad. Wack. And just straight to the ground. And, you know, like I said, it's football. Sometimes you get them, sometimes you get guy.

Just get them more than you get guy. Now, when you wear the helmet, how much do you not see in that? I mean, you can pretty much see out of your entire peripherals. Like, it comes back far enough where you can, you can see. And so it is, you don't even really notice it when it's on. Just started curiosity, who was that guy that, that hit you right there? Josie Jewel.

Josie Jewel with Denver. You can find the clip. You can find the clip. You can find the clip. Yeah, yeah. Josie Jewel, Denver. He's been there for a minute. We both been, we play against each other twice a year because we're in the same division. So, are you guys cool after that or how, like, what heads afterwards?

Yeah, like, I mean, we'll dab it up afterwards. Like, really, the NFL, PA, like, our Players Association, we're all, like, a brotherhood. Like, we all need each other. And so, like, after the games, like, the fans, right? For them, it's like, oh, these are arch rivals. Like, we hate them. But it's like, for us, sure, we're trying to kill each other for three hours. But then after them, like, hey, how's your family?

Like, how's everything going? Like, you know, I hope everything's well. Because we switch teams a lot, too. Right. So you'd be on different teams. These might be your teammates, right? You know, we're all in this together. So you couldn't, like, hold the garage against this guy.

You could. personal beefs, you know, but it's more like individuals that don't like each other. How often does that affect the game? Like I sometimes see on hockey, like two guys. Oh, yeah. Like not really, you know, get along. Yeah, and they get a fight. That's sick.

They go after each other. You'll be like, I'm going to get this guy. Yeah. The whole game, they kind of like, does that happen? Yeah, it'll happen. But the NFL, they're stingy. They're stingy. They're really fine, happy.

Sure. So if you want to pay a lot of fines, you know, donate a lot of money to charity unwillingly, then sure. But, like, for instance, like, Personal fouls, it was like a $20,000 fine. You know, so you're giving up, you know, if you're, especially on minimum, you're playing for free that game, you know. And what would constitute a personal fine? Like, fighting or?

Yeah, if you're fighting, I mean, roughing the passer, like, if you hold onto someone's face mask. Have you ever been fined? I have been fined. I was fine for lowering the helmet. Is that man, you flick pulling down? Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So I was running with a ball and someone was coming to tackle me and you're not allowed to leave. with the top of your head and apparently I led with the top of my head which I did I did

that's why I got fined and so I got fined $20,000 and then I went and appealed it and I think I got it dropped a quarter so I ended up paying like I don't know 17 15 15 something's 16000 $16,000 does that go to the NFL or like to yeah so go the NFL has a collection bucket that they get and they decide where it goes and so yeah we don't really don't like that as players It's like so you're taking our money and then using it as a ride off when we could be taking it as a ride off But it's a it's a fine so it's yeah, so you know we don't think about that what so I think it's a good idea We should do fines like that you should do fine start doing fine That's a good. I'm sorry Alex. They're going to start finding every minute the video doesn't post by 9 a man

Oh my mouth We're to take your money and we're going to donate it for you So you're on your fourth year of the contract can you talk about like maybe what's next? Yeah like what the process. Yeah. So actually it's it's kind of like a hot topic right now. Um, kind of went viral the other day. But because basically I have my last, um, last year my contract, nothing's guaranteed, meaning they can cut me at any time and they're not, they don't owe me anything, right? If you get, you see guys getting guaranteed because you want security with the team that you're in. And so I had three years of that and now I just lost that. And so now is the time where, you know, players will go and

try to re-up and try to get more security long term. Um, and so, um, and so, we did that and basically kind of just got the door shut and like hey we'll offer you this and it was not a great deal and then after that they like it was a negotiation it would just take this or basically now we're just don't want to do anything right now why why would that be your stance let's go ask what their stance yeah because my thought is that if you're a good player they'd want you to like they wouldn't be afraid unless they're just like yeah hardball and the negotiations is just a part Well, so first off, running backs, we are probably the position that offers a ton of value, but there's a lot.

There's more liability with our position because we get hurt. We tend to get hurt more. Not saying we all do, but right, I think I've missed like eight or nine games in my six years. Most of them in one year where I messed up my hamstring pretty bad. So I have a pretty good track record, right? So if you look at an individual case, like, okay, injury is not really a factor in mine. As far as my stats, as far as my contribution to the team, I've led the NFL and downs for the past two years. No one scored more than me as far as scrimmage yards.

That's like excluding like quarterbacks. And so it's like, okay, I have the peak, right, efficiency and peak production out there. And so for me, I don't know if it's because I'm 27. I don't know what is going on, but I'm like for me, I don't know why they don't see me in a long term position. So we, when they immediately is like, hey, we don't want to talk in extensions anymore, then we immediately ask for a trade. Okay, let's go find someone else. so we can maybe go out there and find someone that might be a longer term partner. And so that's kind of where we're at right now.

We're still doing the dance with teams trying to see where there's value, stuff like that, see if there's a good fit. But, you know, if I do have to play this last year with the Chargers, then I'll be a free agent after that. And then I do have a little bit more rain

as far as going to find place to get a long-term contract. Got it. So their contract they offered you was for another few years, just not a thing. Was for one year, yeah. Oh, it was only for one year.

One. So, yeah, with no guarantee in the second. year. So it was like, can you say what they offered or it's probably not a good idea? Nah, yeah, yeah. I shouldn't talk about it just yet anyway. But yeah, so it just wasn't, it wasn't the length that we wanted as far as what we're still, what I'm still willing to be out here doing, right?

So, um, wasn't as enticing. So that's why we, like I said, ask for trade. And so if you don't accept that's, then you play a year. Correct. So after that, you could renegotiate. Correct. But then you're not tied to them. So like the downside is that.

Like you might not have the same leverage as now? So correct, correct. So basically, okay, let's play on this last year, right? I think I'll make like 6.25. I would have made like five something if I didn't hit a bonus, but I've hit my bonus every single year, besides the year I got hurt. And so 6.25 this year, not guaranteed.

They're probably not going to cut me. If they do, then I'm a free agent. I can go anywhere, which would actually help my scenario. Basically, they're getting a big discount on me right now. They're getting a huge discount. And so they want to leverage that, right? They made a good deal. They bet on me.

They won. And so now we played for them three years. And this fourth year I was trying to re-up and get back to my market value. And so I'll play for them for this last year. If nothing happens, I'm a free agent. And then I can go negotiate with other teams. There is a weird scenario where they actually can franchise tag me, which basically sticks me in a one-year deal that I would have to play for them.

But they have to pay me the average. It's like the average of the top like five or, I forgot, like five or six salaries in the position. Now, how much of an advantage is it to stay on the same team versus transferring? Like, doesn't it, it's isn't it easier to be with the same team because you know the people already? It's in a well-known city. Like, what value do you usually associate with that? Or does it matter? It's really, it's really outside of football value, you know?

As far as inside football, really, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, you know, huge benefit of saying there. There's things that you can do. Like if you're trying to break records in the franchise, things like that. Obviously, if you're in a different team, you can't do that.

But as far as, like, I've had, I'm on my second head coach there, right, on our third or third or fourth offensive coordinator. And so people move in and out all the time. So it would be like just doing the same thing, but now you're doing it on a different team.

Like you're used to change. You're used to new learning, stuff like that. And so it really comes, like I said, is the outside, like just building, a community, community around stuff, building relationships with ownership, stuff like that, right?

And so things like that that I really value. Like I love being with the charge. I love the people out there. I love being in L.A. and the place that I'm at. And so I would want to stay there for the rest of my career. But if we had to go somewhere else, I'm gone instantly. If that's what it comes down to. I can play with the Vegas team.

I could. That would be fun. Yeah. Yeah. I could. I could. You know, a couple years. You never know.

You really never know. So it's fun. It's fun. It really is. But for the most part, look, I'll have a. another opportunity to get out there and strap it up and, you know, continue to play at a high level. Do you think one of the reasons why you've faced so much apprehension throughout your career is because of your size?

Probably. You think so? Probably. Because it seems like even through the scouting process, through college, how you couldn't find D1, even though you killed it in the high school. Yeah. Like, do you, you would attribute most of that just to based off of like what people, they look at you and they come to some sort of conclusion.

But, of course, you've blown away their initial judgment with statistics and, you know, Yeah, it was proof of, right, proof of action, right? Have actionable things of that you can look at and be like, oh, yeah, like, sure, he's small, but this is the output we're getting from him, right? Which is top of the line as far as if you look at the actual numbers. And so when you're making the generalizations about, you know, Austin and you see him for the first time ever have no background, don't know nothing about this kid. He's a 5-8 kid, you know, from a Division II school.

It's a lot of odds going against him that he's probably going to pan out because most guys in my situation get cut. They don't even make the 53, right? like 90, 90%, maybe even more. And so, for the most part, like, they had every right to make that generalization about me. But now it's like, now you can't. And I still think people overlook, which makes sense, but people overlook the things you can't measure

because the only things you really can talk about and the things that you can compare against other people or what you can measure. But the thing is, like, how have I been able to get to this point in my life with what I'm doing with my resources, with who I am, right? This 5-8 kid, wait, 195. You know, it's like, it's the things, it comes down to my mindset, comes down how am I able to apply myself, how I become obsessed and how I continue to push and make sure that I'm so efficient, right?

It's not like I'm not leading the categories of everything, right? So I'm not the best player ever, but guess what? I'm really high in efficiency, right? Scoring touchdowns, moving forward, taking care of the ball, right? I get it done where you're, where you're wanting things to get done. And so that's where I've been able to do that, do that, do that, do that, and I've getting more, right? They'll put more on my plate, more of my plate, more on my plate. And so that's why right now I'm kind of like confused, right, with the charges.

Like, why would you not want me around more, you know? And I get it. Like, we're going to have to pay our quarterback $50 million a year. Wow. So. And why the huge pay discrepancy between quarterback and other people on the team? Man, um, quarterbacks are what, you know, or the face of the league. Yeah.

You know. They drive the fans probably driving a lot of the money. It's almost like the front man of like a band. It's like, The band might be five people, but the singer is the one that usually gets all the attention. It's the face. It's the face, you know.

As far as their contribution, yes, they do make a bigger contribution. Is it what the pay gap is? Maybe, maybe even more. I don't know. Because when you look at the fans, you look at the stands, what are the jerseys you're going to see?

You're going to see the quarterbacks, right? You know, we have rules that protect the quarterback. You can barely even touch these guys now, right? And so they can play these, you know, 15, 16 year careers, right? Because their bodies are fine, right? Things like that. And they're so rare to find that. can play at a really high level.

That's why there's in such a high demand. And so that also drives up the price, right? Because if you can find a good one, having a good one gives you a chance to win a championship and not, which is really hard to find one, is you're not, you don't have a chance. You have no chance. Is that how Tom Brady was able to have such a long career?

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you got to have some toughness and all that stuff that comes with that. But, you know, and I mean, obviously the success that he's having, right, keeps you motivated even at a higher point. And so, but yeah, he's the goat, right? he's been able to stay at the highest level for longer than anybody. So how much of that then is just like branding and like selling tickets?

As far as. Have a good quarterback. Yeah. Like you bring. Okay, you pay him 50, but like they'll bring in 200 million and like extra ticket sales. Yeah. If you move right,

Tom Brady from right, new England over to right, over to Tampa Bay and now everyone's got Brady jersey. Right. Now everyone's coming to watch Tom. It's like it's not as big as like in basketball where people follow like LeBron, wherever he's at.

We love LeBron. Right. And it's not. like that, but what quarterbacks it is, right? Quarterbacks, they follow them. Like, if I go somewhere, sure, I'll have fans that want to follow, but it's not as impactful as a quarterback, bringing them to a new team as far as, right, the fan engagement. Does their social media affect the amount that they could charge? Like, let's say, hypothetically, you had like 10 million followers between Instagram and TikTok. Do you think that you'd have more leverage because you can show them, like, I got all these fans

and all these people follow me? No. You don't think that would sell more tickets. They do not. So here's how it could help you, though. It could help you because you're probably getting more hype in the media then. So you're probably getting hyped up maybe more than you should be, which I mean, everyone sees the meeting what's going on in like Sports Center in our world anyway. Everyone knows what's going on in this space. But the thing is the teams only care about production. They care about, right, they have a salary cap. They have to pay out all this money. What's the best way to do that? They don't care about the following. I don't care about anything on any of that stuff. But us as players, we do because that's how we can make more opportunities for ourselves off

the field. And so, but during the, these teams don't care about that stuff, no. Do you think it's better to be underrated or overrated as professional athlete? Ooh, that's a great question. I would say underrated because that means you're exceeding, right, expectations. If you're overrated, then you're, you know, probably seen in a negative light of, you know, underperforming what the expectation is. And, you know, there's just like, it's not necessarily like cancel culture, but you kind of just fall off.

I feel like if you're underrated, right? You just start becoming just the trash can that everyone's like, oh, this person should have been doing this. So now you can't get the money you were trying to get. You can't get endorsements you were trying to get. And you kind of get not necessarily blacklisted, but it's like, okay, now people, it's like who's going to touch this person,

who's going to sign this person, which, you know, what are they going to sign them for? When they were getting this, they think they should be getting this, but they're actually not playing at that level. And so definitely underrated. What's the average retirement year for people in the NFL? It's like three years.

That's it. Three years. So that would be 21, done at 24 if I was the average. Yeah. It's amazing to me. Sometimes they'll look up the players to see and they're all like 21, 22 years old. 21 years old I was in. Wild to see.

Even with hockey. It was just like just how young a lot of the players are. And by the time you hit 30, it's like, very few people are 30. You are old. If you're 30 years old, you were old man in the locker room. Like I'm 27. I'll be 28 going into this next year. I'm old man.

You know, as far as, right, as far as the eight. gap right because you get to the people that's like oh these guys have families and things like that I just came out of came out of college right I'm not thinking of anything about a family right now I'm just trying to write get myself established and so the thing is when you get older guys it kind of it kind of shocks the younger guys too because you get like this draft class and young class that comes in and especially the draft class like they have these expectations that they're going to do all these things because they're drafted and you know they're drafted so they're probably one of the better players which could be

true or could not be but then you get next to a guy that's been doing doing it for five years and just the knowledge alone right is night and day different and it's like well you start to get humbled a little bit like oh wow this guy okay like they actually do a lot of football here this guy there's a reason this guy's been here five six years you know and I could just got here so you they find out real quick there's a ton of learning that they have to do just as all how it all works how much ego comes in with that like that they're brand new they're 21 22 years old they got to feel like they're on the top of the world oh for sure for sure and especially you know for the first like couple weeks where it's just the rookies there's no vets around and then like you're

like the guy for the moment right i remember like that was me that was me um because i was the only running back rookie i wasn't drafted but i was the only running back so when we did our rookie camp right it was just me i was the number one guy i was kind of like the guy because they had signed me stuff like that and then i became six string and so i went from like yeah and then it was like oh shoot like wait a minute like i got a lot more proven to do and so you get humble real quick And I wasn't like on a high like oh, I'm the man or anything like that like I still have my mindset to go and grow and I had to approve everything But it becomes real for you real quick now what what differences have you noticed physically between 21 and today yeah. Oh good question does does that slow you down or do you feel like you just improve on what you're already doing and like

Mentally you might have more strategy and yeah yeah so I feel like just with my experience I've become more efficient right just less wasted movement am I as fast as I was my rookie year probably not just because we're just straight training less mileage right six years later you know of just playing this sport is it's damaging to the body but why have I gotten better every single year well so I've gotten more efficient I've gotten smarter right I make less mistakes right and making less mistakes is sometimes I would say a lot of times better than right having you know a young guy that you know has a good potential and put him out there but he's going to make more mistakes if we put him out there right that's one of the biggest things even get on the field is making sure that you make the least amount of mistakes, right?

Because coach has to be able to trust because we're the last line of defense for the guy standing next to us who's a quarterback, right? It's like O line and then it's us that we're blocking for this guy if we're throwing the ball. For running the ball, it's just on you. You got to make sure you're doing the right things. That's why I think I've gotten better too is just being efficient, right? And so I think you can see that in society too where it's like you get young people that right or and they should be I feel like right, right, be just like more energetic right going out and trying new things doing that stuff. But right, you learn, you're learning, touching the stove here, ow, out, out.

Okay, let me try this, right? And then you start to get more efficient. You start to get smarter. You start to connect more. So you start to be able to get more progress done because you're doing it in a way that's efficient and actually makes progress. And so me and my career right now, I've been playing six years. I feel like the reason I'm able to stay at the top of my game, even though I'm 27, which like I said, I still have a whole, I think another decade. We'll take a year by year. But it's because I'm efficient. I just, I know what to do. I'm in the right spot, the right time. I pick up the right people, right?

I make the right steps and get it done. What does an average day look like in a home game for you? In a home game. So like I said, we stay at the hotel the night before and that's night and day. I love that because you just get away from everything. I get away from everything in my house. I am not around my computer. If I'm around my computer, I'm probably working.

I'm looking emails. I'm calling people. I'm, you know, doing stuff. And so I get a really just disconnect. So we'll show up the night before. We have like a team meeting at seven that night before. And then, you know, you're just hanging out watching like the Sunday night football game or maybe.

I mean, never mind. There's no Sunday night football. The college games on Saturday, watching those wrap up and then go to bed, wake up, right? Wake up and then. What time you usually go to bed?

What time you wake up? Probably go to bed at like 11. That's just what time I usually go to bed. And I'll probably wake up, I don't know, 7.30. and so go downstairs, get breakfast, and then we have to be over to the stadium at 11 o'clock. And then we'll have like two hours of like preparation as far as like warm up, get the body right, get the equipment right, all that stuff,

pictures, right, warm up little lines, stuff like that, and then play at one. Play at one, the game ends. What happens at the game? Play at one. We get done at like 4 o'clock, 430. And so we'll go in and do a little recap after the game. Right, you know, depending on how the game went, we sucked.

We got to get better back to work or, you know, hey, victory Monday, which means we get Monday off if we did well, you know. So it's very emotional all the time depending on if you win or lose. If you win, everyone's great. If you lose, you also, right? That's the mentality. Like, we got to get better, you know. How does it feel to lose the game?

It's terrible. What runs through your mind? It's terrible. The whole team feels like, what if one person kind of lost the game? How does that? I mean, yeah. Is that ever happen? We're like a few points away.

If that happens, then I feel like it's not as bad because like, okay, if one person made a mistake at the end, like we at least had a chance. But if we just get blown out, like you just like for us, for instance, our last game, I don't even know if you saw our last game. But we were in the playoffs. We were playing Jacksonville Jaguars. We were up 27 to zero. Wow. We were up 27 to zero and we lost the game. What happened?

I wish I could tell you. Well, we had all the momentum going into the first half. We're up 27 to 0. I think they scored like a three-pointer or they kick a field goal at the end. So it was like 27 to 3 coming out to halftime. And we come out and then it's just mistake here, mistake there. They took advantage. Mistake here.

And it just kept repeating, repeating, repeating, repeating, they got closer and closer and closer. And then we basically lost our consistency. We lost our flow. We made way too many stakes in the second half that we didn't make in the first half. and we end up losing the game. Yeah. And so after that, just the feeling is you just,

you feel like there's something missing within you because you put so much, we put so much effort into this every week. And then it's not just us that depends on us winning, right? Like, especially me. When I'm holding the ball, it's not just me that depends on me holding the ball, right? It's the whole, it's all my teammates.

It's all the coaches that have been preparing. It's our ownership, right? That runs the organization, keeps us going. It's all of our fans, all my fantasy owners, owners, right? there's so many people that rely on me doing good things with that ball. And so when you, when you don't, it just, it's a hole within you that you feel like something's lost from you. And it takes you days.

It takes me days to try to feel that and where I can actually feel like, okay, I can start moving forward again. And so I take it personally, mainly for myself, but I do know that, you know, there's a lot of things riding on my shoulders for other people. Do you feel like maybe sometimes in the beginning when you have such a big lead or you get complacent? For sure. And it's like, that happens, yeah. It's human nature. Take it easy. Oh, we got plenty of wiggle.

room now. Human nature. Yeah. Do you believe in momentum in games? Yes. Yes. It's kind of like that complacency, right? I think that plays into that where it's like we, we do everything we cannot,

we can to not get complacent, right? We go on half time, hey, zero, zero. Like that's the mentality. We come out, zero, zero. We got to go play a game, right? And for whatever reason, I don't know if it's a subconscious level. Like, I can't really explain it. But there's definitely a momentum where things are going well for you and you keep

going and there's a vibe and you feel it throughout the stadium even if it's home or away if it's away then the stadium's quiet if it's home everyone's rocking energy you feel it it's it's right it's contagious right through the coaches through the fans through the players and so there is some type of momentum where you're in a you're in a like a mojo right where you're just going and it's things are clicking there's also the opposite you know where i've gotten beat you know 40 to seven where it's like we couldn't get anything going i know we're not this bad but i don't know what's happening but anything we try is not working. So yeah, yeah, for sure.

So what happens then after the recap? That's 4 or 5 p.m. Yep, 4 or 5 p.m. recap. What's happened? All right, let's get a break. Boom. We got five minutes, a bunch of media come in. That's when the media comes in.

Media swarm in the locker room, right? We want to know what happened or congratulations. Tell me about that catch. You know, they want to know the best and they want to know the worst. And they're going to go to the people that were involved in those plays. And so.

And what's your, your incentive to talk to the media. You don't have to talk to the media. You have to be available, you don't have to talk to them though. And so. So a lot of, you have to be available. You have, you have for a contract. Yes, per contract, you have to be available to media.

You do not have to talk to them though, right? What does that mean though? Like they can put a mic in your case, you can't leave, right? So for example, perfect example. There's a guy, he's a running back, his name is Marshawn Lynch. And his response to anyone in media because he didn't want to talk to him was, I'm just here so I don't get fined. And he would just literally just repeat that over and over and

over and over again. I'm just here so I don't get fined. And he did that for years. And that was his response. And he would, and so it's funny, the media can pull you to the podium. And they're like,

hey, we want to see, they would always pull Marshawn to the podium to get that. And they would, every single time, I'm just here so I don't get fined. Yeah,

it's got a good sketch phrase after a while. It's like, let's see if we can get them. You know, because every once in a while, you might get him to like say something, but it was rare. And so,

couldn't you just use it to promote something? Like, yeah, the game was all. Awesome. But no, it's awesome. It's my app. I'm just wearing all experience, QR codes everywhere.

And, you know, you should, you should, you should sell you a shout out on the media from your experience. That would be good. Right, right. That would be good. Hey, meeting, if you want to interview, tap into experience 10 minute interviews, 100 bucks. It also got an iced coffee hour. Club. Shout out the club.

Because dot com was taken. That's why. Yeah. You know what the, you could also get Lexar SD cards, Austin. They're, they're, they're, they're, by, five. He uses Lexar. They pay for that. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's a paid promotion. Oh, yeah, I have to disclose that's a paid promotion. Oh, there it is. Oh, yeah. Yeah, but I do have to say they're pretty good. Okay, yeah, that's what we use now. Okay, so wait, what is it? It's a SD-C.

It's a lot. It's a lot of storage. I'm not paid to say that. Alex is. No. I just genuinely like the product. Okay, okay. There you go.

There's a good product. Hey, you got to respect to a good product. Yeah. I have to ask you. So you said, you know, parties with celebrities and stuff. This is more of a fun question. You know, don't feel. like you're showing off here, but who's like the biggest flex that you have in your phone?

Like the biggest contact. Like I want to know. The biggest context. So I did some stuff with Kevin Hart. Went on as cold as balls. And so. Wow. Yeah.

That was pretty epic, man. And so as far as context, that's my biggest contact. I mean, it's pretty big. How often do you call him? No, that was a one time thing. I haven't hit him up yet. He was talking to me. We were talking about my story and everything like that.

And he was, he has like an audio book company. He thought it'd be interesting to maybe talk about something in the literature space. And so that's how we got connected just on a deeper level. And so that's the only thing we've ever talked about. No, no, no. Have you ever thought about like a good, you know, like a good morning text. Hey, good morning. I hope you have a good day, brother.

I have a birthday just thinking of you. No. Look, I don't want to overstep, right? I want to make sure if I'm coming to him, I'm coming to him with something that's relevant. And I know he's a busy man. Yeah. I feel like there's a good middle ground, though, Because if you just go years without texting,

then the random out of the blue is weird. That is true. It's like, oh, you've been thinking about this for a while. But if it's like every few months. It was, yeah.

So we did the thing a couple months ago. Yeah, yeah, it's about time that you probably Yeah, it's about, yeah, it's how I got ahead of it.

Hey, Kevin, yeah, let me know if you guys talked about a show or something, and it comes up, you know, you can send him a photo of that. You should get them on the app. Yeah, I would do that for the app. Yeah.

Is there anyone else besides Kevin Hart? Who else? That's pretty cool. I mean, he's a YouTuber Ludwig yeah we did a video oh you had him on

yeah that's what's up that's what's up so yeah so yeah can you get in contact with with Tom um um yeah I mean pretty much anyone in the NFL is like one call away

gotcha you know like that's the word I mean we all know we all know especially the guys that have been playing like I've been playing six years and so like the guys that have been playing a while like we all like like one call away

it's really connected and you guys know right You guys have a platform. You guys have built this up for yourself. Like people are interested in people that are doing things that are impactful. And so a lot of people that you have are able to get a contact with these people. Or the people who watch. Now, I do want to say, we got to say hi to Jeff.

Oh, yeah. Who is Jeff? Jeff Bezos. Oh, what's up, Jeff? He's a huge fan. Yeah, okay. So get this. So we had Saw Hill Bloom on the podcast.

Eight hours later, Jeff Bezos followed him on Twitter. Can't be a coincidence. right eight hours wait wait wait wait wait was this a blue check Jeff Bezos the one that was the Jeff Bezos he's only following a $15 subscription Jeff Bezos or the actual the real actual Jeff Bezos he's only

following 193 people wow and our podcast guest was one of them after being on the podcast our podcast that's all he is our podcast that's who you are now it's our podcast some people may say if you really watch the podcast He'd already be following us, but, you know, obviously the guest was more interesting than us.

But here's the thing. He could be commenting or watching under like a burner account. Yeah, probably. Yeah, we know you're out there, Jeff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. First or like one of the comments first. Jack, you look stupid today. Come on, man. He's comedy.

Jack is so lazy. He's just listened to Graham. You think Jeff like that? Graham is so greedy. Yeah. So he followed Sahil after, you know, Sawhill was on the podcast. Okay. And people were speculating.

by people, I mean like a couple tweets. Okay. We're speculating like, oh, you know, could be something with the ice coffee. Yeah, yeah. I don't think it's not a coincidence, because he wasn't tweeting like much before that, so it's not like a tweet.

He does not watch the ice coffee or Jeff Bezos. How do you know that? You don't. Because we titled it like, the billionaire formula to getting rich in 20203. He might be like, how do I get more, right? He might be looking into that.

Who's this guy and how do I become more well? Jeff Bezos, the billionaire formula. He could be like, how do I get rich? He needs some tips. Yeah, exactly exactly. I'm just saying no I think what it could have been if there's the point zero zero one percent chance that that was actually what happened. I think it's probably someone that knows Jeff. That was like, hey, this is a really insightful episode, but why would Jeff care, you know about this guy? You never know. You never know. Yeah. Feel free to say no no pressure. If we could do a TikTok where you let me try to tackle you one time.

What do you what do you say? You know what? As a matter of fact, all that you're going to have to sign away No, no, we'll stage it. We'll stage it. I'll go down the middle. You jump over me. I can do that, yeah. You think you could jump over him? If he's, yeah, if he's going to tackle me.

If I'm diving down and smashing into the ground, Jack. Yeah, for sure. We have the park here. I mean, someone's going to get hurt, though. Can't be on this problem. No, no, no. I'll jump over Graham and you jump over Alex. Wow.

Make that happen. Let's talk about viral clips. Just watch that be the one time where it's like you dislocate something. What about Austin? What was making a TikTok? You're doing a TikTok. The ice got me. It went terribly wrong.

He's recovering for the next year. That would be bad. Yeah, bad timing, bad timing on that one. You must have insurance on like a lot of these things. Well, so. Like, how does that work? For, I mean, for us in the NFL, yeah, we come with a lot of injuries. So, yeah, our insurance is pretty good.

But can it be insurance that covers like loss of wages if it's like you dislocate something? Does that work like that or no? You can get insurance to, yes, cover loss of wages. but not necessarily for non-football injuries. So we just need to get a phone level or something. Basically, we're a giant liability during the off-season. Oh, my God.

To ourselves, even, you know, because if you get hurt, like, we had a guy, we had a guy, it was the last year or two years ago. He was, I think he was one of the center, like a guard for a team, and Torres Aquilees, and his team, they didn't pay him his $10 million salary. Oh, my gosh. Non-football injury. He was training. He was training for football.

but just at a different facility. He wasn't, if you train at the actual team's facility, then you're within the liability, then it's a football activity. But since we're outside of the facility, yeah. So do you not, like if your buddies are like, hey,

let's go play some basketball. No, I'm not like that. There's a lot of guys that play basketball, do the stuff like that. You will not play tennis, no pickleball. Hangong, maybe.

It's not worth it. No, man. Because make 6.2 million, right? Be healthy. Get to that, right? Or risk, right, going too hard. You know, it's not like I'm not doing anything. Right.

You'll do it at the facility. because it's insured there. I'm just saying if it's like in moderation and we're not going like exerting like 100% effort and all that stuff then yeah I'll do it you know do some things. I'll go do some like some boat sports

like we're doing like that surfing behind the boat and stuff like that and have you ever have you ever done? Yeah yeah yeah so like there's stuff but I'm not doing anything like extreme or anything. These guys that play basketball though just me I'm just like ah I'm good. I'm good.

Yeah it's not worth it man. If the only thing I really risk is is the actual training. right like that's where I put the most wrist but I have to because I have to be in shape yeah yeah the juice is not worth the squeeze jack as good plays that's his favorite that's every episode I got to say that one time there you go check that box there it is there it is so thank you so thank you so much for coming on Austin this yeah incredible appreciate it great guest thank you appreciate hey anytime boys anytime for sure thanks I'll link to all of your info in the

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