The Iced Coffee Hour - Meet The Gamer Making $1,000,000 From His Parents House | CallMeCarson

Episode Date: March 21, 2022

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Hi there. My name is Carson. You're watching the ice coffee hour. This podcast has made three but jillion dollars. I think that's the closest we've had yet. Oh yeah? Believe it or not. You almost guessed it like on the dot. Yeah. Wow. 184,000 dollars. Really? Yeah. I thought it would have been higher. Well, you know, it's January or no, it's March. Ad rates are low, you know? Yeah. So I feel that. It's okay. What's up? Hey, good to have you on. Thank you so. you coming. How was the trip over here? It was pretty good. I flew over today from South Carolina. Pretty easy flight, just a connecting flight. I mean, I'm happy to be here. Cool. Thanks so much for coming on. Yeah, no problem. It's an honor, man. I think we should probably provide a synopsis of who you

are, by all means. This is a Carson from Call Me Carson on on YouTube and Twitch sometimes. Hi. And yeah, he makes videos about like video games and stuff like that. And you have a pretty cult like following with your audience. Some would say. Some would say. And you've done some pretty incredible things on YouTube. Well, thank you. I appreciate that.

Of course. And we want to go into how you built this business and this following. And yeah, because we're interested. Yeah, sure. What do you say if someone asks you what you do? How do you respond to that? Oh, man, that's a good question. It depends on the person.

Yeah. Because, I mean, there's so many people that, like, don't understand, like, what YouTube is still to this day. And even people that do understand they think of the big YouTubers. I would probably just, in general, tell people I do online content creation. And then they're like, what do you mean?

And I say, I do YouTube. And then they're like, oh. And that's like the bare minimum. For someone that's like a little more informed, like right now I'm basically just a streamer. And I post my stream highlights to YouTube. and that's what I've been doing for like the last six months. That that's the basic synopsis, I would say.

How do you get started doing that? Ooh. Well, I've been doing YouTube since I was like 12. Yeah. I mean, don't tell anyone because you're not allowed to make an account, but I was on someone else's account. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, actually at first I was on my dad's account.

You're like book them. Book them. Come on in. Get in, guys. Swat. Swarm the place you made an account when you were 12. I started doing Minecraft videos in like 2012. And I kind of just kept doing YouTube up until I kind of blew up around 2018,

making like Discord videos. I don't know. What are Discord videos? So Discord is a platform. it's like Skype but for gamers have you ever used Discord? A few times yeah

we have one and we've had one for like three years but Graham's probably been on there four times Okay oh yeah I've gone live You had me go live on live Yeah he went live on Discord What four? No no no not like your type of live

Like he just joined a voice call Oh Yeah He went live and did a Q&A We got like 20,000 people On the Discord like it's a pretty pop and discord Yeah I'm not really shy.

It's been a while. It's been a while. I don't know if I'd consider it popping. Yeah. Oh, come on. Come on. People are probably railing off all of your big inside jokes in there, right? Maybe.

I don't know. But it was popping for a while. I just haven't promoted it. But yeah, I liked, and then Clubhouse took over. I went to Clubhouse for a little bit going live on there. Yeah. Like Mickey Mouse. Clubhouse?

What's Clubhouse? You don't know Clubhouse? I'm serious? That was like the social media platform that blew up. What was it? probably eight months ago, a year ago. And it was basically like you see these chat rooms. It's very similar to Discord.

Really? Yeah, and you see these chat rooms and you'd just join and you're a listener, unless if you get moved to a host. Oh, it's like Twitter spaces. I don't know what that is. You don't know what Twitter spaces is? No. Come on, guys.

You don't know what Clubhouses? It blew up. But now it's just completely dead. It sounds like Clubhouse is just Twitter spaces. Okay, probably. Yeah. Because it works the exact same way. Okay.

Yeah. But anyway, you were making these videos. What sort of videos are you making? Comedy. They're basically just be hopping at a call with friends and then looking at something and reacting to it. Like mystery science theater, if you guys are familiar

with that. Is that a dayed reference? Don't know it. I don't know it. You've got to explain it. Okay. Well, mystery science theater was like, it was mystery science theater 3,000. They were like popular in the 90s. And they, it was a guy and his two

robot friends that would go and watch really bad movies and then commentate throughout the entire thing and I kind of relate my content to that because I'm just doing it like in a modern way where it's like I'm going on Discord and getting a couple

friends in a call and then looking at like stupid images or I did a bunch of videos where I went in Discord servers and ran bits and that's what blew you up after six years. of making content on YouTube?

Yeah, I think so. Is that right? Yeah. Did you research me? No, I think you just said it. I don't know if I did. 2012 to 2018. I can't do math.

So six years. Listen, I dropped out of college. You did? Yes. When? That would have been 2018. And what caused you to drop out?

Well, I mean, it was because I started blowing up on YouTube. So I went back for my sophomore year of college. And then I went for a month. I had like 300,000 subs at the time and I was looking at the money. I'm like, it's, it's just too good of an opportunity here. How much money was it back then? It wasn't even, I mean, this was like, I was making probably six, six K, seven K a month at the time, which is good, but it's not like, it's not like some of the numbers I've seen now.

And I was just saying there and I was like, I can just come back to college later and pay for it if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, run this YouTube thing. And I want to do this, so why not? Yeah. So I dropped out of college then. I was actually going for pretty much the same thing. I was going to be in media communication. So, I mean, it was just a no-brainer.

Yeah, right. Interesting. Six years. That's a lot of time to devote to something that probably wasn't paying out for a pretty long time. Yeah. Yeah. What was your, do you have a schedule back then?

Were you taking it seriously? Was it, uh, I was in high school. Yeah. So, I mean, it was, it was mostly like, Oh, I want to be a big YouTuber. That sounds fun. And then I'd go up in front of my class and then, you know, show a terrible video. And then people would be like, he's the YouTuber in high school.

How many subs you had? In high school, I probably got like 3,000, 4,000 off of Minecraft videos. That's decent, though. Yeah. Well, I was doing it for a long time. Yeah. And like most of the subs were dead in the water. So I was probably pulling like 100, 200 views of video most of the time.

Were you ever embarrassed because I didn't tell a single soul I did YouTube videos? I was so embarrassed that they would find a video of mine. I've, there's been times where I've been embarrassed, but I think I've always liked doing YouTube too much for me to care that much about that. Yeah. It's, it's always just kind of been very creatively fulfilling for me. In a lot of ways. Especially because, like, I'm just,

the stuff I put up is basically just what I do anyways. Like, a lot of times it's just me saying down and playing a video game. And I enjoy the sharing of that experience with a lot of people. And I think I have a decent eye for, like, what makes something funny in the moment while playing a video game or with friends. So I would do it even if I think I would do it even if I didn't have subscribers or was gaining money or anything from it. That's interesting.

So after six years of doing this, you dropped out of college. And how seriously did you take it at that point where you're like, I got to double down on content? I got to do more. Oh. How do you maximize that? So, okay. Well, that's funny that you mentioned that. Okay.

So let me set the stage. The year is 2018. So like during my freshman year of college, I was sitting back and I was not having a good time in college because I felt like I could be doing more with my YouTube. And I went to my parents before the end of my freshman year and I did a PowerPoint presentation. And I laid out here's how much I think I could make for doing this as a summer job and taking this seriously. and I had a whole PowerPoint presentation. I showed off friends of mine who were bigger YouTubers than me and what they were making. And I took that opportunity and really just expanded on that.

And then they said yes. And I started pumping out content that summer. And that's what led me to blowing up. because I had a whole new idea for how to do my stuff, and that's when I started doing the Discord videos. And I was, like, pumping those out, like, at least one a week. What's that like for you? What was the first video that took off?

So it was actually kind of, like, a set of videos. But there was one that initially boosted me, like, I don't know, 3,000 subs, which was really big at the time. It was probably, like, 18,000 to 21,000. And it was the first invading Discord. servers video, which I mentioned earlier, where I went in to Discord servers. It sounds like I'm like being upheld and raiding people, but what I was really doing was just like trying to make them laugh by going in with a little comedy routine, a little bit.

And something about it really stuck with people because no one had seen anything like that at the time. and it just it popped off and then I did another one and that's the one that really pumped it. Like I went from probably 40,000 to 100,000 subscribers in like a week. Jeez. Yeah, it was like 15,000 subs in a day.

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I was like, woo! I did it. I guess that's a good answer. Dude, I cried when I hit 100. I was like, finally. I was like, finally I did this, you know, because it had been, like, it had been my goal for so long to be able to do that. And I was just proud of myself for finally, like, proving to myself that I could do it. Yeah, I was just happy.

It was cool. Can you talk about your income throughout all of this? Like, obviously, you know, when you first started. This is a big finance podcast. Yeah, we want to talk about your numbers. We want to know how much money you make and save. Okay. Well, through.

spend. Okay. Well, like through 2018, I don't think I made that much. Like, I could pull up the numbers if you guys really want me to, but it was probably like, I probably made like 60, 70K just in 2018. And that was like the second half of the year. But still, you must have been 20 at the time. Yeah. I was, I was really young. 20 years old. I don't think I was even 20. I think it was 19. Yeah. 19. In college, that may as well be a million bucks. Right. Yeah. And then 2019, it was. It was. was when it really, I was like, oh, that's a lot of money. Yeah. I sat down and I was like, well,

and I was like, oh, and I'm sure, I'm sure there was a point that, that you, you, I mean,

I don't know about you, but you hit with, with the money from YouTube where you're like, well, unless you already

had a ton of money. I don't, I don't actually know. Uh, well, it started adding up to be something substantial, but yeah, but it ramped up

so gradually, I feel like. What was the, what was the time when you were, like, okay, like this is getting serious. It was, it was the first day I made, I think it was like, I had only been doing YouTube, I think, for three months.

And there was one day after three months for it made $180 in a day. And that, to me, was the first point where I was like, oh, wow, like I could actually make money doing this. Yeah. That's pretty incredible. And that's the point I knew I really got to take that very seriously. Before then I was posting two to three videos a week, but there was no sets. I had the schedule.

I was like, I'm going to post this morning. And I just post it. But when that came up, I was like, oh, wow. Wow, it's like it's adding up. But it's just, to me, it was more fun to make internet money. Right. It's less like, you know, when you sell a house or you lease a place, like you get a commission or you're investing and you get this, you know, return. But this was like, it's, it was almost like imaginary money because it was on the internet.

It's something different about it that it's like internet. Do you play video games? No. Okay. Do you play video games? I used to a lot. Okay. Yeah.

It's like, it really feels like a video game when you, when you're making YouTube money. because it is it is like an imaginary thing it's it's because like sometimes youtube is just like yeah we'll just give you extra money for this video for no reason and you're like why i didn't do anything different what changed but like you want to know why and i've always found it fun to try to up those numbers because it's like a video game for me um and did you guys know I'm a little bit of a little bit of a gamer. Are you? I've played video games.

Of course. Yeah, yeah, right? Sorry? Sometimes. Occasionally. You're working most of the time, right? Why don't you play video games? Never been interested.

I see, for me, I look at video games and I think, it's going to sound bad. This is probably the wrong time to say this. I think I would rather be, it sounds weird, I'd rather be doing something else that is, that makes money. Wow. My strength is not video games. I just, after Nintendo 64. That was the last console I had played No interest after that.

Interesting. Everything for me was focused around like I'm more into business. Yeah. I don't know. I look at it and I'm like well if it's not making money It's taking time away from something else. Right. That could be making money.

What if you made money playing video games? I wouldn't have an interest in it. Just I think it's just I think if it was enough you would But if it wasn't bored Because I look at it and I'm thinking What am I accomplishing from this? Because even if I wouldn't have

the game. Nothing. Even if I win the game, then what does that do? It's about the experience. But I have a thing called fun. But I, what do you do for fun? What do you guys do for fun?

So Graham is one of the most, work for fun. Yes. Graham is one of the most interesting people that I know because it's very difficult for him to have fun outside of work. It just is. Stuff that isn't work related. He doesn't enjoy.

It's, it's, it's, I've never met anyone like it. It's, obviously it's admirable because it's getting you somewhere. But he just can't. Sports? No. No.

Watching stuff, you'd rather be working. You know, video games? No. I like to watch a good movie. You like to play music. I like music.

I like the Reef Aquarium that you saw when you walked in. I didn't actually see it. Oh yeah? It's hard to see that on the way up. It's right there, right there. Was it near the shoes?

Yeah. I was so focused on taking off my shoes. 300 gallons. Right. Big water. Big water jug. Big jump. Like right when you walk in.

Maybe it was because, you know what? It's Bailey. It was the dog. The dog, oh my gosh. I love that dog. That dog is so cute. But now it's good.

I just get a natural enjoyment from working. Gotcha. Even if I'm not like working, working, it makes me feel happy to clean the house. I think somebody beat you in Mario costume. He's a little bit too hard when you were here. Yeah, just left him scarred. This guy's weird. Weird.

What do you mean? You're like cleaning the house? Yeah, there's one weekend. This is years ago. But the front door, some painter wanted, like, like $200 to paint the front door. I was like, I'm not going to pay $200. So I went to, like, I was looking forward to this, like, on a Saturday because I didn't

have any, this was before YouTube. I was like, I'm going to paint the door today. It's going to be really nice. I'm going to get this door done. Go to Home Depot, got the paint like $30. I painted the door myself and I felt so accomplished afterwards that I painted the door. Like that's what made me feel like I was alive. Like, I got this door done.

Dude, like, I love it. I want to, like, suck your lifeblood. I cannot do that. I can do anything but being productive in a day. We're very opposite you and I. This is so interesting. It's interesting just how different everybody is. Because for me, it's just like, it's easy.

Just work more. You don't have enough hours. Wake up early. Work late. What about your weekends? Just go and work the weekends. Oh, Sunday. You don't need to hang up for it.

Just cut everything out and work. Like, to me, it just comes naturally. But, I mean, like, I think some people, I think some people would look at that and be like this that's that's not that's not good for you I'm not I don't I don't think that does anyone ever tell you like this is not all the time but like if it's fulfilling for you it is I okay so I have my theories I've said it before on the podcast and I will I still believe it I think Graham thinks he likes working what I don't think that he actually like I know you like working right but not to the degree that you do work

It's not healthy. You always look like you got an hour of sleep the night before. It's like, how could you live like that? It seems unhealthy. There are times. There are certainly times that that happens, but 80% of the time. Dude, even my mom said, she was like tuning into a podcast. She's like, is Graham okay?

And I'm like, yeah, like, I think so. I don't know. It depends on the, what podcast was that? All of them, man. No, all of them. Dude. I'm sure you could point to a few where it's been like, back to back to back to back and like after a podcast I got to plan a video because I have to

film it for the next day. You don't have to. I do. No, you don't. You set a schedule and you got to stick with it. That's very much so dope. No, you know what's dope is moderation. Working is dope.

Yes. And knowing your hours is dope. Yes, I agree with that. But understanding moderation and balance in life I think is also pretty dope. Imagine if I gave you, let's say, you get one day in front of a big container. of money and you get 24 hours in that container and you have to grab as much money as you can after that uh you know 24 hours is up you can't go back in the container or imagine there's a 50-50 chance you could go back the next day you don't know that in those 24 hours you say you know what

I'm going to take a nap I don't really feel like it I got a 50-50 chance tomorrow of going back in the container I don't know I view uh YouTube the same way that is such a false comparison Nothing is guaranteed. Okay, so what if instead it's your entire life that you can grab from that container? Right? And then in front of you, you have a family. You have vacations. But now's the time to do it.

Now it's then before you have the family, before you have kids and all that sort of stuff. Now it's time to be in the container. I think there are windows of opportunities in everyone's life where you're in a container. And that's your, and sometimes it could be an hour a week. It could be a year. It could be 10 years. But you're in that container. Yeah.

And those opportunities come up and people not, you know, sometimes they'll let that slip or they take it for granted. They get too used to it. Oh, the container. I've been here 10 hours. Oh, this feels like for a, I'm to, it's too long. I think it's a balance, Graham, because here's the thing. Like Jack said, that container is there your entire life. So imagine you're just collecting that money from the container your entire life.

You never got to use it. You just spent your entire life collecting money from a container for no reason. So why not collect money from the container for a few days and then use some of the money and then come back and collect more money? There's nothing to use the money. There's a couple of things that I need to provide for context. Okay. So Graham said to me a few years ago, he wasn't this way. Okay.

But lately, since he started ramping up production, he's been more irritable, sometimes angsty, sometimes very tired. Yeah. No, he doesn't do that. No, he doesn't do that. Seriously. he doesn't do it. No, but seriously. Alex laughs. This turns into a cry. He's been angst, you know?

Even like a little, like a little angsty teenager. And you said you used to not be like that. We've been having problems. Okay. This is an intervention. Listen. Okay, but I need a preface. Afterfuss, whatever it is. It's unpopular opinion amongst our audience to go anything. Like, oh, maybe you should take some time off and work less. It really is.

Really? Yes. I've said, I've spoke my mind. Interesting. Yes, I've said this before on the podcast and people say, that kid's a slacker. He probably doesn't know what it's like to work a 14, 15 hour a day. And that's not true.

It's like for most people, they can work more actually. But for Graham, someone I deeply care about, a good friend of mine, I see you and you look stressed out and you look, you know, angsty. Sometimes you're irritable and annoyed. And it's like, if you just took a little bit more time for yourself. But you know what, but you can't. I don't have the luxury. It's the coffee.

I don't know there's sometimes not the luxury of that it's just sometimes you got to get something done and that's it and it's just like if I'm on a schedule and a video has to go out the next day it doesn't I get it it doesn't I'm not gonna not post if I posted on time for like five years I've only missed ever maybe two to three uploads ever in the five years okay if he's on a streak I get it I'm on a streak yeah yeah dude he's on the street like he's missed uploads like you missed uploads yeah you have though it's not a streak Graham it's not a streak no no no there's not a streak no there's not a streak no there's Just name, name. If a video is doing really well and it's long-tailing. Purposely. Yeah, and it would be purposeful if you, you do it on purpose if you missed it. The only time I miss an upload, a major holiday, like a Christmas, I posted on New Year's Day. But like Christmas is, you know, big holidays like that. I'm not going to get views anyway.

It's strategic. Oh, you think you won't get views on Christmas? Yeah. Wait, why? Yeah, views are significantly lower. Interesting. It might be a demographic thing. They go down by like 30, 35.

percent on Christmas Day. So I don't want to waste a video that I think is going to do well on Christmas Day because people aren't going to watch it. So I posted it the next day. My audience is all like 12-year-old boys that have nothing better to do on Christmas. Oh, they got that iPad. They're watching you. They got that iPad.

Yeah, they're at dinner. They're watching. But yeah. So, like, the only times they don't post are strategic. I don't think, I think once there was a time where I missed an upload because just like either something wasn't going on or I didn't have the video ready in time. It was something where I was like, I felt better missing that post to then get ahead. I think there's one time, Jack, where I, Jack and I had a major discussion about missing an upload.

I think it was that Wednesday where I said to you like, I don't have the video or we were going out of town or something like that and I had to get a video ahead and I wasn't going to be able to do it. And the prior video did well, so I was like, well, if it missed this upload, I'm going to do the next one. And I did. So five years. It's just a matter of when do you take some time for yourself? That's it. You don't get off the horse when the horse is full force, you know. If a car's driving on the highway, you're not going to get off in the middle of the highway.

Enough is not an amount. It's a mindset. But you know what? It's not about enough. It's about you got to carry the streak. If I've been this discipline for five years, I'm going to carry it forward. And I know myself, once I scale back, there's no going back to it. I've built up to such momentum where it's only downhill.

Yeah. here. So it's like if I go down to two a week, I stay at two a week. If I go down to one a week, it's going to be impossible for me to get back to three. Yeah. This is so interesting. Okay. I've been on your side where I'm in the moment and I'm like, I got to keep pumping stuff out.

Because like this is something I have to do because I'm in the container, right? And I changed. I don't think it's as value. able to think of yourself in a container as it may seem. Because I think if you're capable now, you're probably going to be capable later in your life. I think no matter what, you can put yourself in the container, you know? It's the abundance mentality.

That's what it is. I don't know. You know, people say the abundance mentality. I agree with that. But there's also, but there's also a very tangible thing right in front of you that's like, Well, that's, you know, you have to be real that sometimes the career of like athletes, musicians, actors, and that includes entertainers or influencers on YouTube, does not last forever. Sure. Very few people have a career that lasts longer than 10 years.

Almost nobody has a career lasting longer. Or five years. So it's, you know, when you're at that point, it's like, well, you really got to make the most of it. And I know myself. Yeah. So I know myself, keep three a week as long as I feasibly can. There's a point. I'll go down to two a week.

Uh-huh. I'll do that as long as I can't. There's a point I'll go on a week. Do that as long as I can. So, you know, I think, I think, I think, I think that's valuable. I think, I think you're completely fine and, and, listen, I see both sides here. Like, I, I completely understand wanting to keep up that streak and being motivated to do that. And I think that's great.

I just don't think that that's the right strategy for everyone. And I definitely know it's there's coffee beans in this table. Yeah, you didn't notice that? Well, I like he said it earlier. Yeah, look right over here. You can see him like way better. Oh, yeah. Are they real?

Yeah. Wow. Coffee beans. What was I saying? It's not for everybody. Yeah, it's, it's, uh, sorry. I saw the coffee beans. Yeah, I, I just don't think, I just don't think for me personally that, that, that,

like constantly thinking of myself in the container is is the right way of going about things especially because like in the past you know i i've messed up on on on numerous occasions and i know some of that is due to thinking of myself in the container you know and and not letting myself breathe and think through my actions and i i never want to put myself back in that position. And maybe I'll find a way of putting myself back in the container without it harming me or people around me. But like for for me, that's that's where I'm at, you know.

And I think it's a valuable discussion to have. And I think each person should come to a conclusion of what they should do for their own container, I guess, you know. I think that's fair. Everyone is different. Yeah. It's just a matter of me looking out. I just think, yeah, never take anything for granted and things could change very quickly.

And so, you know, when the sun is shining, you make hay. Yeah. I mean, I think this is valuable, though. I think it's good that you have a yin to your yang because, I mean, like, he's, but if you go off the deep end and one day you do start, you know, you got a machete. You know, you start. Yeah, I don't know, man. He'll be there to stop you, you know. Yeah.

But you know what? But you need that push because there have been times that, you know, I've been pressing for a podcast. I'm like, Jack, we got this podcast right now. Jack's going to go visit my family. That's not true. Yeah, you did. That is an outright lot. You're lying.

Don't join a millionaire. And what did we do? We filmed it, right? I know, because I pushed Jack. Jack didn't want to do it because he was visiting his family. Do you want me to explain this story? I will explain it better. I, okay, it was getting late.

The drive to my family was like five hours. It was 11 a. 12. No, it was getting three, four. And I get very tired on the road at night. And I feel unsafe driving, leaving here past like three, four, because I'm driving at night.

And I like to be awake and keen on the road. Of course. And I didn't want to wait a long time because then I would have been sleepy on the road. And I don't like that. You're a safe and competent driver. I'm safe and competent. I drive like a grandma.

Graham hates it, but I do. Which is very slow. Graham drives like a crazy man with his machete in hand. Is the yin'am? the game. With his machine, waving it out of the hole. I'm painting you as like a crazy villain.

I'm so sorry. But this is the peak dogecoin mania. Right before SNL. And we got the doge coin millionaire. The guy was on, you know, CNBC across every outlet of turning his life savings into three million dollars. Wow. And we had him sitting in the living room.

And he had the time to do a podcast at peak SNL dogecoin popularity. Like, Jack, we should do this. I got to get going. I'm got to visit. Jack, we got to do it now. We got to do it. If we don't do it now, I'm like, trust me, Jack, we got to do it now.

They have Christmas presents for me. But guess how well that episode did? Was one of our best performing videos until that point. But sometimes, like, Jack, you just got to do it. No, I know you were, in that case, I will say you were right. But then again, I was going to leave at like eight

and you guys needed me for a bunch of stuff over and over. So I was going to leave at eight, and then I ended up leaving like five. It was like very late. So you were right. Yes, thank you for that push. Yes. But see, but that's the push Jack needs sometimes.

Because sometimes, well, it's not convenient, but you got to push. You got to push. I get it. You got to make it happen when it comes up. And that's it. So that's the way I view a lot of YouTube is like when something comes up, you have to act on it. Someone else will. And if you don't take advantage of the opportunity, it's gone.

So that's been a lot of it. Same thing with in real estate. When I was working with a lot of clients, there were some opportunities where a client would call you at the worst. time at like Saturday 9 p.m. Hey, I want to see this house right now and you're like, I got a life. But no, but part of that is like if you want those opportunities, you have to act on it. And I've sold houses to people who have called it the worst times Friday, you know, 9 p.m. I've got plans. But the guy's super serious. I'm like, I'm going to cancel the plans.

I'm going to show the house. And some of those turn out to be either great relationships, great clients, great sales. So it just, it depends how badly I guess you do you want to. Don't that. Yeah. Anyway, tell us how much money you were making. Amazon presents Jeff versus Taco Truck Salsa, whether it's Verde, Roja, or the orange one. For Jeff, trying any salsa is like playing Russian roulette with a flamethrower. Luckily, Jeff saved with Amazon and stocked up on antacids, ginger tea, and milk.

Habaniero? More like habanier, yes. Save the Everyday with Amazon. So, 2018, probably made 70K. 2019,

probably made like 500K. And then 2020, probably like, and this is just gross income. This is not counting taxes. Taxes to knock that way down because it's all self-employment. But 2020,

I think, I think I had over a million gross. I'm not sure. But I'll tell you this. I do not have a million in my bank account. Where to go? Taxes. No, mostly just taxes.

I don't spend my money. Except for coming here on your podcast. You're pretty cruel. No, yeah. No. Because I would imagine your expense is being pretty low. Do you have a high production cost? Graphics cards are pretty cheap, though.

Or pretty expensive. Well, I don't buy new PCs either. I think what I spend most of my money on is paying editors and paying my assistant. And that's about it. Like, I prefer to not put my money into too much. And I just have most of it invested. Because, like, I don't need much. Yeah.

I'm plenty happy just watching anime every day. Yeah. You know. How much, how much is your overhead? Like in terms of, do you rent, do you buy a spot, car payments? Oh, no. My friend warned me about this question. You're going to start being, you're going to start interrogating me.

Oh, let's see. I don't, I don't have anything. I live with my parents. Okay. So there's no rent. And I don't have a place or anything. So I'm not, I'm not renting out to anyone. Oh, my gosh.

Yeah, you know, I knew this was coming. No, I mean, it's. I'm so proud now. I am. To make a million dollars living with your parents with almost no more proud of it. I'm just saying.

You want to hear something funny? I'm just saying it's like that that is what you should. I don't want to say that's what you should do, but like. I don't have my driver's license. How do you get around? Your mom? I mean, you know. Like, mom.

The car. No. Come on. I'm going to go to a pet store. The goldfish needs more food, Mom. Oh, my petco now. I'm so hungry. Where's the toaster strudel, mom?

I'm hungry. My parents are super supportive. And the main reason I haven't gone on my driver's license is just anxiety. Okay. And so, like, I don't, there's a couple weeks here and there where I just don't go out of the house. That's all of us. That's me at this point. Really?

Yeah. What do you do on a daily basis? I like not leaving the house. Well, yeah, it's awesome, right? I like it. But it's very easy to get used to it. Like, yeah, so sometimes I will go like three to four days without leaving. And at that point, it's usually Macy and I will go to a dinner.

And in that way, it's like you kind of leave the house. Or usually Jack and I, once a week, we plan, well, we try to plan where we just grab a dinner and just catch up. and we talk like podcast stuff or strategy or channel stuff. So that's usually when I go. I mean, it's otherwise there's everything I need to see. I mean, the gym's down the street, walk to that, everything's here. I just don't work. And then by the time I'm finished, it's like, well, you're kind of tired at that point.

So make food at home. So follow up question. So you don't have any like office building or anything. Everything's here. Yeah. Why? I love not having a commute. And I thought, I thought briefly there is a time in 2020 where I thought it might be cool to get an office.

And I remember as an agent, I saw this place and it was like one of those townhouses right on the beach in Marina Del Rey. And I remember walking to this place and being blown away by it. It was leasing for like 15 grand a month. And it was incredible. It's like the big sliding doors that opened up and a full. foot out with sand and then like 50 feet down was the beach in marina del Rey in california and i thought oh this would be so cool to lease a place like that and i could work there all day and then didn't i have more separation between like when i'm home right because i had always had an office to go into

and i'd work at the oppenheim group so i'd go there i'd show some real estate i would stay late i would plan there but i would film at home but i still had that separation between you know i'm home i could film and stuff but i prefer working in the office so when i was full time at home that first month was a difficult transition because it's just you kind of go stir crazy in the house not leaving so I thought yeah I'd get in office but I never did that and then I came to really enjoy working from home and everything is here

and if I need to film something really quick walk down the hallway right anything I need is right here I love it I guess the reason I ask is because of that separation of work and life but you really like work I love work but there is no separation That is the downside. Now, it does save me on a commute because it's like, well, where would I find an office? Plus, you don't have to lease an office.

Right. Office space. Yeah. So I'd rather just be here, all things considered. And now I look at like every 30 minute chunk of time is like that's time I could be spent working. So if I'm in the car, you know, it's being less productive. But car time could give you think time. I like car time, but usually once a week, I try to go to the aquarium once a week, the aquarium store.

Oh. And I, I thought you were, I thought you were just going outside and staring at your little. Five times. No, I do that. You get your coffee in your hand? He really does. Oh, I know, that's what I do. Yeah.

That's the favorite thing. You're subscribing to a tea. Yeah. Yeah. Instead of watching TV, I just sit there with my coffee. Okay, that's actually so cool. I check everything in the tank multiple times a day. You got to look at it.

Just checks it. That's cool, actually. I was upset. So the torch coral, one of the torch corals died. No way. Which one? What's a torch coral? So a torch coral, it was a neon green.

I think it's called the Hulk. The Hulk? Yeah, the Hulk torch. I'm so sorry, man. That's okay. No, I enjoy it. But, uh, yeah. You're a confusing human.

I like, I like stuff that stresses me out. Like, uh, work, he's fueled by stress. That is what fuels here. That is what gets a month. Work is a good challenge. You should try YouTube drama. Yeah. Oh, no.

That's try. Have you thought about. Tweeting. Gosh, you know, I, yeah. I've stayed off of Twitter. I have a Twitter, but I rarely ever post. I got to start posting on that. Have you thought about becoming president of the United States?

Ooh, I've heard that doesn't make your hair go gray. I actually did. I thought for a long time. That was this thing. Yeah, I really? You would be president? We had an episode titled Graham wants to be president of the ice coffee. And that was like the seventh.

And the reason why is because I thought, you know, I've taken a very middle ground approach to personal finance. It's like, here, just the facts. This is what you need to know. That's it. That's not waste our time with anything else. And I thought, you need a guy like that in politics. So full economic approach. Yeah, who just could take a sensible approach to things.

Let's not, you know, pander to one side to the other. No, no, listen to me. I thought honestly, because I don't like, you know, people ask me, am I Republican or am I Democratic. I honestly have nothing. I truly had nothing. I'm right in the middle. Well, that's not going to get you elected. Well, here's the thing.

It's like, I don't identify with you the side because I disagree with things on both sides. Of course. And I agree with things on both sides. But you have to pick a side or else you're not going to get elected. Graham is, he's smart. Like this is, I appreciate that and I respect that. I can tell you smart. Being in the middle, that's good.

And we do need someone that's sensible. But the thing is it never made sense to me to pick a side. Because if you pick a side, then it's like, well, what if there's something on that side you disagree with? You know, are there. Are there varying levels to how much you agree with your side? So I thought, take a middle ground approach. That's what the country needs. And, you know, and this is a far off pipe dream.

And then I saw our buddy meet Kevin run for governor of California. Oh. And seeing what he went through, I'm like, no, I cannot. Yeah. I was just seeing what he went through and all of that, I was like that I won. And that's governor. Yeah, and that's governor. Now, granted, that's government.

governor of California, which is extremely, I don't want to say polarizing, but you have people that really agree or really disagree. But I would imagine the same, even more stuff for the country. So I saw that and I'm like, no, it's not, I don't want that. So I want to know about your experience, living with your parents. Sure. Have you found that that hinders you in any way to? No, they kind of let me do my own thing.

Okay. Um, the only, I mean, it, the only thing is, like, I mean, at some point, I want to, you know, be a little bit more independent in, in a lot of ways, you know, I don't think I want to be 24, 25 living with my parents, you know, I just don't think it's a good look. But, um, it has disadvantages because I, you know, I, I get to eat dinner with my family, which was dope. and then I get to go upstairs and record a stupid video where I make poop jokes. And, you know, I'm happy doing it. And then I watch anime for like three hours. I'm curious. Do they charge you rent?

No. So they used to. And then I helped them pay for a house. I see. Okay. Yeah. And so, like, I don't pay rent anymore. That's good.

So you paid a one-time upfront cost. Yeah. The benefits. I was happy to do it, too. I was like, I have the money. Yeah. Like, why not? Got it.

I think maybe getting your driver's license. Yeah. What's holding you back on that? I mean, we've been saying, you know, for, you know, like, in six years that I could do that. What if you need to go somewhere? Where? Is there where you go? I don't know.

Not really. Where do you suggest I go? On a date? Not right now. I know. That's a whole, that's a whole debacle. Are you? Oh, it is?

I'm not dating until I'm 35, okay? Are you not on dating apps? No. Why? Because I don't want to be. I'm not ready. I don't think I could see you on a dating app. I don't know.

Really? No. Oh. Yeah? No, I think even, well, I guess for you, Jackets. For me? Are you saying I wouldn't be successful? Is that what you're saying?

No, I'm saying you don't need it. You don't need it. Oh, wow. But someone like me? God, yeah, I need them. I need all of them. I guess who was it that, um, I remember seeing some, some sort of thing like celebrities on Tinder and there were people on Tinder in this list and I think they were verified, but

like they were like, why are they on Tinder? Like that, that makes no sense to me. Well, I know celebrities and just people in LA have their own little. Yeah, Raya. Yeah, he knows it. Are you on Raya? They declined me. Wow.

I have no idea how. I sign, so riot. You're second on the, well, yeah, you can't move me first. No, I mean,

I guess I do know why. I'm, I'm not as popular as the other people on Raya. And they have like a list. So like, they go through your contacts. You like allow access to your contacts. You allow it.

And then, and then like, they're like, okay, these are your contacts that are on riot. And then you can like, send them so they can like, you know,

be like, yeah, sure, Jack's with us. Sounds dystopian. Yeah, it's very. And you apply.

And you apply to this? I don't know, where it's like, I'm on all of them. So what's another one at that point? Why do you want to be on Ryle? I don't know. I just want to,

dude, I'm on all of them. So may as well, why am I on all of them? Yeah. Why do you leave your house? Why do I leave my house? Why do you have your license?

Because I have my license because my parents weren't huge fans of driving me places. I get that. And I get that. Yeah, but they still do it. No, I guess that I like leaving the house. I paid for the house. She wants to keep the house.

I like to go outside of the house because it makes me happy. Like there was, for example, it's kind of nuanced, but like I would say three months ago, I was at the house. And I realized I was so unhappy and I was so lethargic and I felt sleepy every single day. And I was talking with my housemate. I was like, why do I feel like this? What's going on? Yeah. And then I was just like, I haven't left the house in like a week.

Yeah. And I realized that. And then I literally went outside and I. I sat in the sun for like 40 minutes and it was like euphoric and I went inside I immediately felt better. It was like I was vitamin D or whatever deficient. It was weird. I'm with you man but yeah. Okay.

Come on. Come on. But it made me feel so good. I think I might just be a little bit more pale. Maybe a touch. But I don't know. I just went outside and I felt amazing and it fixed everything. It's crazy.

Wow. Do you go outside? Uh, in the sun? I try not to, honestly. Yeah, I hate it out there. Now I'm actually wearing sunscreen. Really? Yeah, now I have a series.

So I just scare where I convinced myself I had skin cancer, like melanoma. Because my grandfather and my grandmother, too, both had melanoma at some point. And they had it removed. But yeah, so I had like, so I have what's called, it's called Atypical Mole Syndrome. And it means that I get like a lot of these little, like, the little dots everywhere. And some of them are bigger than others. But because there's so many of them and because they're varying in sizes and shapes and colors, that I have a higher likelihood of getting skin cancer.

Gotcha. So I got one mole that it was like, oh, crap, I just convinced myself because my skin was dry in Vegas. And I started itching. It's like skin cancer. Okay, but you have a valid reason. Right. Yeah. But, yeah.

So now, now I. We just don't like the outdoors. Well, he likes the outdoors now. Sometimes. He's a changed man. Yeah. But I will say a more vain reason is I got these little wrinkles on the side of my eyes now. Oh.

Just because I squint so much. And the sun makes it worse. So I rather. When I ever told you, you have the eyes of Tom Cruise. Yeah. Yeah. That's like a very. You get it a lot.

I'm so sorry. People commented all the time. Like, he looks just like Tom Cruise. Have you guys seen the new Batman movie? Yes. No. Everyone keeps saying I look like the Riddler. Oh, Paul Zeno.

I guess. Yeah. It's just, it's just. Because of the glasses and I have hair. No, it's not. It's a completely different shape nose. It's a slightly same shape of face, slightly. And then he also has a very clean shaven face.

I can kind of see it, yeah. I can't grow a beard, so. Graham, give us the lowdown on the Batman. Do you recommend it? I love that. I love that. You really? I really did.

It's long. So I went into it. It's almost 200 minutes long. Yeah. I don't know if I could. And I, uh, I thought it. And I'm not like a big Batman sort of like I don't really follow it, but I see in like the last two.

I watch it so good. It's one of the few movies that's like hooked me from beginning to end. It did not feel like three hours. Imagine how much work you could have gone done in 200 minutes. Oh. I know. If I add up the cost of my hour per, you know, cost of my time per hour multiplied by three. Yeah.

Wow. You're a little free. You can produce the whole damn food. I can freak you. Yeah. You have the numbers and everything. That's probably not healthy. I think we should go back to talking about Carson

and how you continue to scale your business. Did you have like strategies that you employed to scale your business? What was... Oh boy. Oh, no. No. I mean, not really. I,

it pretty much was just, okay, I had one successful YouTube channel. What do I do next? Okay, I'll make another YouTube channel. and do a completely different style of content that I find fun. And I did that.

And then it grew my Twitch. And then I did that kind of thing for a while while also doing main channel occasionally, which maybe I should have done more main channel or whatever. But, and then I did a short stint of doing merch and stuff like that. And now I'm kind of passionate about that. And I don't know. I want to dip my toes into all sorts of little pools or equituals. or aquariums, if you will.

But, I mean, I don't know exactly what aquariums I want to dip my toes into at any given time. Right now, I just made a Minecraft let's play channel because I just felt like it. I don't know if I'm going to continue it. That's fun. It is fun, though, right? It's fun. So how does your income broken down between like YouTube, Twitch, sponsorships? Okay.

So I don't have any really sponsorships anymore. right now I'm not making money because I'm doing a year charity after it was a whole thing but so everything everything I make is going to a charity each month

but in the past it was I would make to give an example it would probably be like main channel would make 20 grand live channel would make 40 grand

grand this is like middle of the year not not January of February and then Twitch would make 10 to 20 grand and that that that that would pool together and be my my grand sum of like 80k yeah in a month got it which was pretty good I was pretty happy with that yeah around right now I think we're making like 20 to 40k a month for the charities which is pretty good Lowe's is like 35K. Um, he, he does the numbers for me.

Yeah. My, my, my assistant's, uh, off camera that I wanted to check on the numbers. My, my attorney over here.

My, my guy. My guy in the chair. Um, but yeah, no, it's, it's been going really well.

That's good. Yeah. And like, my numbers are, are way down. Let's, let's not, let's not get around here.

But that's completely fine with me because like, I'm still making pretty good money. And I'm having a good time doing it. Yeah. So what's your plan after the one year? I don't know yet. Investing or? I mean, I'm, I just have a guy that invests my money for me, which I don't know how you feel about that. Do you have, do you have a guy? You don't have a guy? Do you have a guy? Graham is the guy. No, I am the guy.

You're looking at him. How do you feel about having a guy that does the investing for you? Depends. I think for some people it makes sense when they want nothing to do with it. And they just say, Here's my money. Allocate it. I don't want to think about it. That's me. Yeah. I want to watch anime.

That's what I want to do. And maybe... The good thing, you don't need a lot of money to watch anime. That's so true. Like 10 bucks a month. Do you guys watch anime? I don't. Yeah, there's probably like five or six.

He's so much more of like a nerd than you, but like you stare at your aquarium. This is, what an interesting podcast. I think we should also talk about the rest of your entrepreneurial story. We should talk about Carson more. Is there anything else that you have to say? What do you mean? Because your income, but you stopped at 2020, right? Yeah.

Well, beginning of 2021 is when I took a big break. And then I came back September and started the year of charity stuff. And that's been going pretty well. I think we've raised about. 250,000? Just, just that's that. And that's just like from my revenue, you know. And that's, I'm really proud of that.

I think, I think that's sick. And, and like, how, how, so have you guys done much charity stuff? In communities across Canada, hourly Amazon employees earn an average of over $24.50 an hour. Employees also have the opportunity to grow their skills and their paycheck by enrolling in free skills training programs for in-demand fields like software development and information technology. Learn more at aboutamazon.ca. I like Team C's. So I did some Team C's surf. Yeah.

Yeah. I saw you did a video with Team C's. Yeah, I did. Wow. That's a interesting video. Yeah. I've seen all the Team C's videos. What did you think of my Team C's video?

It was good. You liked it? Wow. Did you see my... I didn't see your Team C's video. Okay. Well, it didn't do as well as the other videos. Of course not.

Because I made a fan fiction about Mr. Bees and Mark Rober. Oh. And Mark Rover like comes out of the seas shirtless and then like... Maybe I did see that. And then he shoots like a laser out of his eyes. And then... Was that a while ago? This was like Team C's.

So this was like four or five months, man. I haven't seen it then. Okay. And then at the end, Mr. Beast and Mark Rover, uh, KISS and Carl Jacobs and, and, and,

and they're all there, you know. Celebrating. Of course. They're always there. Have you noticed that? They're always there. They're always there.

They're always there. I imagine like Mr. Beas like tries to go to the bathroom and then they're there, they're just there. They hand him the toilet paper. Carl Jacobs has the toilet paper in hand. He's like,

here you go. They're just reacting to it. Everything is content at that point. Yeah. The subtitles like just appear in Mr. Peace Vision. Yeah. Today I am going to the bathroom. And the first person to give me toilet paper wins $10,000.

$15 million. Yeah. But they have the FBI chasing them. So whoever gets your first wins. Dude, I would watch that. A lot of people would watch that. That would be funny to do a parody of all that sort of stuff. The first person made me a peanut butter and jelly sandwich

which gets a million dollars go but there's like an alligator and they're right it's so terrifying whenever anyone says that they've like seen my content because i'm like what have you seen which which which video where i did the stupidest bit have you seen because it's it's so interesting that you've seen the mr bese and mark roller video because that video is is absurd but doesn't matter you know i i think is that what you watched to get like an idea of me before the podcast? No, no, I've been familiar from way before the podcast, but that was like the latest one a little while ago.

I was like, just click it. But it reminds me very similar to Ian Idubs. And when I, when I bring up is like, I loved your earlier videos. It was crazy when you're unboxing stuff. And he made it very clear. He's like, oh, yeah, that's, you know, that's. He's so normal in person, but you would see him with like lipstick all over, you know, just going crazy on packing.

these things and you know kind of plays into that character but it's hilarious but just very different in person like just a well-rounded funny guy does that make that uh your fan interactions kind of unique oh you say dude fan oh dude my fan interactions are weird because because like okay today uh he he's laughing over there because what happened today we're walking into our hotel. Two 12 year old kids, I'm assuming 12 year old, I'm just throwing up a random age,

come up and they're like, dude, it's call me Carson and their moms with them. And one of them goes up, I'm like, I'm like holding drinks because we were raising canes. I'm awkward, especially when it's like when it's like, okay, this is, this is some kids with their mom, like

trying to take a picture of them taking a selfie with me. And it's like, this is so beyond me because like I don't view myself like that but obviously they do and so it's very it's very hard to know how to

appropriately respond to a situation like that and I'm not used to it yet you charge for a picture and you say does your mom I charge for a picture does your mom have $5 well that's how much a picture is

do you want a picture? I do know like PewDiePie doesn't let people take pictures with them and I've thought about it before I'm like is that what I want to do? Because like there's a certain point What was this reason for that? Just because everyone would want to?

Yeah. Like if everyone that doesn't even watch him is going up to take a picture with him just because he's PewDiePie, why would he want to? And there's no way for him to know, you know? And I kind of get that. Like I know most of people that recognize me in person don't watch my content right now. And that's fine.

Like I don't expect them to. This guy right here stopped watching my content. He hasn't even seen. Stop watching his content. You stopped posting for a long time. Well, it's because I fell off. He told me, like, I came in here and it was like, dude, you have got to get back on the wagon here. He was giving me.

He said, saved it for the podcast, Jack. He picked me up by my shirt, held me up. It was some superhuman strength. Back in the wagon, yeah. Yeah, and then he slapped me a couple times, and he picked up your machete. Oh, yeah. No, we got a baseball bat too. It's from home to dual-wield.

Do-wield, yeah. Home security. Got you. Funny story. So this was in 2018, too. It sounds like all of my cool stuff was in 2018. This was not cool, actually. I was working for a YouTuber who...

I like Minecraft, okay? He did Minecraft, but he is. And he had a little channel called Pink Sheep. And Pink Sheep was like, It was like an AI voice, like text of speech, reading a script, whatever video. It was, it's a kid's channel. But like he hired me for, like the guy running it hired me for like a month to just come up with ideas and thumbnails and stuff for this channel. And I don't think he turned down a single one.

And one of them I was like, dude, wouldn't it be funny if Pink Sheep was. in a tank and then he tried to get out of the tank and then he was just in a bigger tank and they uploaded it they made a whole like three minute long video out of it that idea isn't three minutes long why did he do that I still am I like that is analogous to something no it didn't do well I always feel so bad if I give an idea and it doesn't do well why would it do well I said it as a joke yeah it's like the channel it's I don't remember like 400,000 subs. Yeah,

it's a decent size, yeah. Yeah. It was an interesting day. I'm kind of like proud of it because it's like, that's so funny that I did that. And I gave him that idea. And then he made the video and it didn't work.

Oh, man. What are some other ideas that you come up with? Okay. Well, okay. What do you mean by? idea because as a broad spectrum because I have ideas that are just so bad. Oh, I don't know. Oh, man.

Okay. There's a YouTube channel I made with a friend called the official Joined Rock Johnson YouTube channel. And it's all just clips of the same interview of Dwayne the Rock Johnson with a different punchline edited from the clip. And it's like it's got like 20 videos and like the, the, Top on the channel is like 1.6 million views. Wow. That sounds like a great idea. Yeah, isn't it great?

It's not bad. That's not, no, that's one of the good ones. I can't think of any at the moment. I have so many stupid ideas. I got an idea that I think might do well. I don't know if I'm going to do this idea, maybe at some point. But I use in the background a fireplace sometimes in my videos and it's just a fireplace. Real fire?

No, no, it's on the computer, but I put the computer in the background. I film it and it kind of looks, it blends in with the background, so it looks like there's a flame going. You've heard this thing called green screen? Yeah, but I don't, I don't do that. You can put so many things on it. To do an eye movie, but. Do you use I movie? I used to use eye movie.

It's good. I use I movie, oh, you think it's good? I think it's good. I think it's good. Why? I like it. Well, that's fair. Yeah.

He likes it. Do you use I movie? He taught me on I movie, but. But I do Final Cut. Oh. Yeah. What do you think of Premiere? It didn't like mesh well with I-Movie because I knew I-movie really well and Final Cut was nice.

So I use it. What do you think of anything besides? Why I get it? I like it because it's, yeah, it's too scary. Is it simple? Everything I need is there. It's like I just need to cut, zoom, B-roll and text I do a P&G file. Done.

Everything I need is there. makes so easy I don't need anything else and it's worked and I guess I guess for me it's like so much of my videos rely on the edit so it's like I can't imagine trying to make my videos in I movie yeah so mine's more about the information yeah so when you're just you know info like meet Kevin could just do a straight 20 minute video of him just talking no cuts that's gonna find a dude dude yeah and that that could get like 200,000 views and he could post multiple of there's a lot of YouTube like that. I mean, if you can do that

more power to you. I mean, look at, I mean, I don't know how much attention you pay to YouTubers, but like critical. Penguin Zero, you know what I'm? It sits down white shirt on a shitty camera. He plants his videos so meticulous.

Sometimes I'm like, how does he come up with his content? I don't know if he does. I think he scripts out his videos or has a script. If he goes from I know funny, funny you mentioned this. Ludwig,

do you know Ludwig? He has a channel called Mughal Mail. He one takes all of his videos. Sits down in front of the camera, like talks for five, 10, 15 minutes. One takes it every single time.

It's crazy. He talks well. I can't do that. How do you do that? Yeah, I feel better. Do you script your videos? Dang. Every word is scripted,

but I feel better because it's like when I make a video, finance is boring. And so if I lose any retention at any point, it's clearly not that boring you know you get lots of plenty of viewers

because they're so planned because I plan it it's like if I riff and I get off topic and someone loses interest there's the video gotcha interesting but anyway my my idea was that

because I had the fireplace thing in the back I could very easily create a channel of just a fireplace loop 10 hours I listened the other night to white noise was too quiet just white noise

that had like 20 million views on this video for 10 hours You just throw so many mid rolls on that But then people listen to it They're like oh Walmart But like stuff like that There was another one of just like the sound of the rain Oh I love those

I love stuff like that It's like oh man you could do 10 hours of all of those And just get a channel where if I shout it out Maybe it gets recommended and people start listening to it, I think that would be nice. Yeah. You ever see the like,

you ever like download the sound effects off of YouTube? Yeah, I do. Yeah. All the time. Like a spring noise like, like moing? See, we don't use that in finance content. Oh, what if you did?

It would be really fun. And then you like dress up in like a clown suit. Kevin did that though. Really? Really? Oh, man. Everyone's got their niche. Well, no. Kevin did that too, because he was getting some backlash for selling all of his portfolio. So people were calling him a clown for doing that.

So he was like, you know, I want to see a clown, I'll be a clown. So he literally wore a clown outfit in his video. Dang. But you know what the funny thing is? As soon as he leaned into it, the hate went away. I was shocked. But like, I mean, that's that, I mean, when there's something basically. like that you can you can do that pretty easily um if you own it yeah and yeah it was it's it's it's an

interesting thing because in the finance space there's not usually any like drama that goes on there's really sure yeah nothing so Kevin selling was like the biggest thing for finance like in that month and it's interesting to see just first of all how quickly within two weeks everyone I don't say everyone like 90% of people didn't care anymore um but then as soon as he acknowledged people calling him a flip-flopper so he was like, yeah, I'm a flip-flopper.

And then people like, well, uh, oh, never mind, you suck. And it's like, but they went away.

And it's, and now it's like, nothing ever happened. Right. Um, so, plus I don't think the reaction was necessarily warranted.

But, um, anyway, just, it's just a good case, at least for, for him, lean into it.

And, uh, then it takes away someone else's power by doing that. Yeah. Do you think you could ever Dress up in a clown suit? Probably not

And own it? Probably not, no. Yeah. No, I'm, Kevin's more of a jokester. Okay. Stuff like that. So I, I would be too serious to do that. I'd be too uptight.

I wouldn't be able to do it unless it's like an April Fool's video. What if, because you're so serious, that's what makes it funny, though. What if you, what if you don't acknowledge it at all? He's boxing Michael Reeves, which is like so. Wait, wait, wait, in the items event? Yeah. With that, yeah. Wait, you're boxing?

Michael Reeves? Yeah. Yeah, and that's so out of character, too. That's so funny. Yeah. Wait, how tall is Michael? Same height. Really?

Same weight? Probably. I feel like he's got to be a little bit thinner than you. Maybe. He's so, I mean, where, yeah, but we're probably within five pounds. Right. Interesting. Who do you think's going to win?

Dude, he's going to come out with like a chainsaw. Oh, no, no, no. You know, okay. So you know those. little like grabber toys that you can get like the extension yeah yeah but instead of it being one of the grabber toys it's like a boxing glove oh that bun and he's going to go point point point and then you're going to die yeah i know see michael reeves i feel like he's such a you can't like can't pin him down because he's so smart and i think i think i think you beat him i think you

I think you bribe the refs with your fat stacks. But he's going to find a way to, I don't know. Like, I'm a little worried about it because of how smart he is. And he, I want to say he has more time than me, but he could train more than I could. But you can say, you can trick yourself and say it's work. You ever think of about that? I could. I mean, listen, I want to win, but.

What do you get it if you win? I don't actually know anything about nothing. It's for charity. Oh, okay. So I thought from everything. You know, it's just going to push me out of my comfort zone and do something I would never do. I just thought 10 years from now I'd look back and regret not doing it. But then I also am worried of like, I don't want to get hurt.

Yeah, dude, that's my thing. It's like, I'm such like a wimp. So, so, yeah, so I've been doing light sparring with the trainer. He wears these very, like, super padded big gloves so that, you know, they'll hit you. but it's not like a hit But still he hits you with his gloves He did one to my stomach when I wasn't expecting it Because I put my hands up too much

And I'm like oh my gosh Like that really hurt And that was with the big gloves And then he hit me once in the nose And it's like it felt like I had sinus pressure For the rest of the night And that was with the fat Like the kids gloves

That you're just like Kids will all you know like hit each other with a I'm telling you Machete It's like Yeah. Just bring the machete. Just bring the machete.

And tasers. But then the other thing, too. What is he going to stop you? He can't stop you. Who's going to stop you? What do you mean? You bring the machete to the boxing player. Yeah, I get kicked out, though.

Why? It's not allowed. They're scared of you. You're afraid I'll win. Yeah. Yeah, no, he asked me if, I think, I think he asked me if I had any interest. And I was like, no, but what if I could be a ref or a commentator or a cheerleader? Yeah, but why did you say no?

Because I'm scared. But don't you think that in the future this would be a good thing for you to learn how to box? Why? Because it, I think it reinforces that you could try something new. And if you succeed at it, it's just positive reinforcement for that. It's just a new experience. No. Okay, that's fair.

It's not for you. No, I get you. I just don't think, I don't think I have the motivation to make myself do that right now. I think if I wanted to do it, I would want to do it for something that wasn't that. I don't know why. I think I would want to do it for myself more than anything.

Yeah. Yeah, that's certain. And that's part of it for me too. I just remember I was talking to Jack and Macy. And we were talking about like boxing math. He was like, who would you box? I said something. The only person I'd box is Michael Reeves.

Interesting. And then it came up like a year later, the opportunity. I was like, that's a sign I have to do it. Why? Why only Michael Reeves? Because they were the same height and I felt like it would be a very matched event. And fun. Yeah.

Would it be fun? If it were, yeah, if it were anyone else, like let's say, like, who else, like, Jesse from Nelk. It's about the same height as me too. And I wouldn't fight him because I know that. Like, I've seen how he is with fitness, and I know, like, I could never reach that same all. Like, I would just be dead. What are you trying to say about Michael Reeves, man? Are you starting beef before you fight?

We're having him on on Friday, right? Yeah, we are. Oh, really? What? Yeah. Guys, congrats. I'm a huge Michael Reese fan. Why did nobody tell me?

One of you has to pick him up from the airport. I want to pick him up from the airport. I know Michael, though. Is he coming with Lily? I don't know. He said he's, he wants, so this is how dedicated Michael is to his video. I'm not going to spoil his video. He wanted, and he was fully prepared,

to fly to Vegas just to get a 10 second shot with me. Oh, yeah. Oh, he does, he loves doing that. Yes. He did that, he did a giant road trip for the Boston Dynamics dog. But I was blown away. And that's how this started. And then I asked, well, hey, listen, you're coming all the way out here.

Do you want to be on the podcast? He says, yes. But still, if it wasn't for that, he was talking about his flights, literally flying in, driving to the house, getting a shot, and then going right back. Really? Yes. What a freak.

What a freak of nature. And then I was looking at the times, I'm like, that's only, were you going to have like an hour overlap? He's like you. He's like you. Well, the thing is he doesn't upload. It's just like, yeah, his last time was almost a year ago. What was he doing?

He said he does offline TV. He streams, and he only makes a video if he's in the mood to make a video, which means that, Hey. There's more to life than finding the perfect car. But finding the perfect car can help you get the most out of life. Like the SUV that handles everything from drop off to off road. And the car that hulls groceries and hockey teams.

Or the van that's gone from just practical to practically family. Whatever you want, wherever you're going. Start your search at ototrater.ca. Canada's car marketplace. If it works, it works. Yeah. Yeah. But if that's his system.

But yeah, but he's got this down where it's like he only needs to do one video a year with a sponsor. And that's and that's it. That's more than a doctor mix in a year. But that one video has to be perfect. But knowing him it is. And he does like the surgery robot and then he puts his hand down over. Oh yeah. He said, I need you for 10 seconds for the meme.

That's literally what he said. That sounds. I can't. He needed it for the means. That's exactly what he would say. Oh my gosh. I don't know him. I don't know him very well.

That's exactly what he would say. So anyway, what are questions you have for us? So I did a merch company sort of here and there called Poo Hall. And like at the end of the day, how much do you think a YouTuber needs to be involved in the business of what they're making? Because I felt like at the time. I wasn't doing enough of like the ideation or any of that for for creating the merch. And I had a guy named Lay Installer did all the designs and they helped me make it a real thing. And I thought it was great.

I was very proud of it. But I didn't feel at the end of the day like I did that much for it. And I'm curious if you feel the same thing when making something like that, like bankroll coffee, how much do you feel like you put towards it and how proud of it are you? Proud of bankroll coffee because it looks and tastes really good. But I also am in line with my partner, Noel, on that. And we have like the same sort of aesthetic. So whatever he does, I know I'm happy with it.

But as far as merch goes, it's a lot tougher because are people buying it just to support you? Right. Or is the design good? What about the branding? Is it only branded because they know you or could it stand on its own? The only two merch companies I really like are NELC. They've done incredible with full send, but they're so involved in that because they weren't making money anywhere else. It was just the merch.

So they had to be because that was how they made money. And Danny Duncan, you know, he has so many shirt brands and logos and stuff like that. But Danny Duncan did a really good job at that too. Gotcha. But he was kind of similar. He never did sponsors. he wouldn't make any money from AdWran, very little. So he did merch, but he was so involved in that.

Gotcha. Interesting. So how much do you think a YouTuber needs to be involved in what they're making? Probably decent. I don't know if they want it to be like a, depends. Are they happy making a few grand a month selling merch to their fans who want to support them? Then probably they don't need to do that much. But if they want to evolve and grow it into something a lot bigger, they have to be. But then you also have to think is merch really the best ROI for your time.

For a lot of people, it's probably not. It's probably you're better off just getting a sponsor. Do you think that's fine as a YouTuber to do? Yeah. I mean, if I was making no money and the coffee is the only thing I had, I would not only push that, but I'd try to expand it. I'd be doing tea. We would have tea by now. We would have had K-cups.

But, you know, it's just gross slower because it's not necessarily like the main focus. Interesting. Interesting. Much to think about. I've thought about making like a merch company to like distribute clothes, but like everyone does that. Yeah. The margins are so thin. Yeah.

Everyone's doing it. You don't want to do something that everyone else is doing it unless you have like a very easy in or you have a way to do it better than somebody else. Literally the main reason I want to is because I like wearing the clothes that like I make. Like, the stuff that we made for pool haul, not why. I'm looking at this. I mean, like, this is, no, I put together this outfit just for this podcast. I was not going to wear, I was not going to wear anything that was call me cars and branded or anything like that.

But I like having joggers that have my little brand on it, you know, just I like, I like when it's comfortable and when I've made it. or like given the quality pass on it. And I think that's the main reason I want to make merch is just so I could wear it. Maybe I should just make merch for myself. But then I wear it and then people are like, I want to, I want that. So it's like,

then sell it. Yeah, then sell it. But like, the margins are so thin. Did you find it profitable? Yeah, it was very profitable. But that was back then. How much are you making back then?

Oh, we made. Oh, I don't know. I want to say first drop was like, I don't know. Like, I think I'm going to lowball it here, but above 40K. Okay. Pretty, pretty good. And how long it's take you to sell that first drop? I don't remember.

This was so long ago. I'm so sorry. Yeah, that's fine. It's fine. I'm curious if this were like a day or like a week. No, it was probably, it was probably like a week. think we had too many products for the first launch and then the second launch I think there was less like we we dropped the first launch and there was like there was a bunch of cool items but there

were probably too many and then we did the second um where we did like a little october launch and and it was like it was it was um like more spooky themed you know just darker clothes uh and and And that did not sell as well because I think it was a little bit too soon after the first drop. But I haven't done much in that vein. And I want to expand like my business know-how and make something cool like that that I can like sell the people because I think it's fun. Any other questions? Any final questions you want to bring out? No, I'm good. Thanks for having me on.

I appreciate it. So much for that. It was a pleasure. When did you leave Vegas? Friday? Saturday. Oh, you're a little week. Yeah, we could find a time then to hang out at some point, too.

I'd like that. I'd be down. Yeah. Okay. Cool. I'm down. Thank you. This was legitimately very fun.

Thank you guys for having me on. But did you get your free stock down below in the description when you signed up for public using the code gram? I don't know. Just say yes. I don't know. I'd love to do that. Just say you're going to do it.

I'd love to do that right now. Okay. Before you burn again. Can I do an ad read for you guys? I heard it can be worth all the way up to $1,000 actually. Yeah. Oh, yeah, someone got a free stock of Tesla, by the way. Really?

Yeah, it was like $800. Yeah, it's up to $1,000. So most people when they sign up will get like $3 to $20, usually. But yeah, someone got to share a Tesla. That was pretty cool. So anyway, thank you so much. Make sure to subscribe. Hit the like button.

We'll put all of our information down below in the description where they could subscribe to you too. Oh, thank you. I appreciate it. Oh, yeah. I'll post. I might do it like a thing. Until next time. Before I forget, let me just get it.