The Iced Coffee Hour - Meet The Most Interesting Man In The World | NasDaily

Episode Date: January 19, 2022

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Welcome back to the Ice Coffee Hour. So far, I believe this podcast has generated over $400,000 in ad revenue. It keeps going higher every time. Yeah. So what do we make, Graham? But 155,000. $155,000. Yeah.

Man. There was a long period of time where we were not making that much money at all, like just like a few hundred dollars or a few thousand dollars in a month. I'm guessing you made $30K at least in the last month. No. In ad revenue? Yeah. 20.

Yeah. It's like 19. For a podcast? On the side, come on, it's not bad. It's not bad at all. So thank you so much for coming on, Nassire. It's great to have you on. We've been planning this out since September.

Since September. We've been wanting to have you on. So thanks for coming on. I've been wanting to come here and talk to you guys in depth for a while. Hopefully we can make good TV. I think so. Jack, if you want to do the intro. Yes, so this is Nassir from Nass daily.

He is, as some people say, the Mr. Beast of Facebook. He's got over 40 million. What says that? I don't know. I heard it at the VidSummit. That's funny. Do you agree? I've never heard of that before.

You've never heard of that? Mr. Beast's a compliment? I've never heard of that. Is that a compliment or is that like, we make different content? He's great, but we make different content. Well, by that,

I think it means like, you know, tycoon or the boss man. Got it, got it. Exactly. Of Facebook, you have over 40 million followers across all platforms. And overall, a great friend and a great guy.

Thank you, man. Sweet. Thank you. How did I introduce Jack yesterday? Can you tell them? How did you? Do you remember how I introduced him? You said I was,

actually, My memory is so bad. I don't remember. I'm sorry. I did introduce you. We had a dinner last night. That's why you're here. And you should have late, Jack.

I did show up late. I'm so sorry. The Uber was taking forever. But there was a dinner last night that you hosted a creator dinner here in Las Vegas across from the wind. And a bunch of finance creators and you were there as well. And you introduced everyone around the table. And you introduced me, I think, if I'm remembering correctly, as like the attractive co-host or something like that. The most attractive co-host.

Yeah, that was. Tough. Tough. Well, thank you. that. Anyway, so yes, you are our most attractive guest. Thank you. That is a lie.

So we have to get on to the finances of it all, right? How much money are you making? You said right before we film this podcast that that is the hook. Let's get into it. And you said we were going to be surprised because you're like, it's a lot less than you think. I definitely make a lot less than most people think. So let's start here. So 40 million followers across all the platforms.

47. Oh, excuse. Sorry, it's only 7 million people. the population of Israel. 47 million people. How many views does that translate to every month? We get 550 million views per month. Across the platforms?

Across platforms, yes. Jeez. I'm going to say there's no way that's less than 300,000 a month. You can't. And ad revenue? Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, we can't just say one or the other. I would say, yeah, ad revenue, no, ad revenue under 100,000. No, 150.

That's my guess. Why, he's good. Ad revenue? He's good. How much do you think Nass daily makes? Million a month. Wow. Yeah.

I would say, well, are we talking net or gross? Just gross. Gross? Yeah. I would say like 1.3 a month. Wow. Man, if I was making 1.3 million a month, I'd be staying at the win, not at the Conrad. Wow.

Okay. So the way Nass daily works is that, you know, we have 47 million followers. 500 million views, but 200 million of these views are non-monetizable because there are YouTube shorts. So you make 10K from that. Then you have another, let's say, 50 million views on TikTok and Instagram. That's non-monetizable. So really the monetizable views. And then we have another 100 million views that are in Vietnam and Indonesia and Spanish and Arabic, very low CBM. So really, you know, there's only like 50 million views that are actually monetizable per month. month for us. Because I index not on money. I index on distribution. I care a lot about the

VWS, not the USD. You know, the VWS, VAS, currency is really important. So it's kind of complicated thinking about how much Nass daily makes. To be honest with you, I don't track it very well. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not good with finance. But there's a lot of different sources of revenue. So add revenue for us is 20%. of what we do. It's never been something I've indexed on. A lot of our revenue comes from production deals, from Nass Academy,

from government brand deals, and from tourism boards and this stuff. So we actually are, I'll give you the combined everything. Sure. Like Nass Academy and Nass Daily. Nass Group. Nass Group probably makes,

I should have got the number before. You just give us a ballpark. A ballpark is probably like 900, something like that. Okay. $900,000 a month. Something like that. So we were close. We were really close.

You were very close. I bet a lot of that's from the academy. So it's probably half half. Okay. Probably half half, yeah. Wow. 400, 400, 500, 500, 500, something like that. So if I could ask a question, just because I'm a little bit confused here, what kind of

videos are you making to make this sort of income? Because I've never watched your videos, to be honest. What the hell are you doing? in here. Get out, Alex. How rude. You know, to be fair, Jack called me 20 minutes before this podcast, and he's like, Alex, get over here. But yeah, if we could go maybe into a little detail of what kind of videos you're making, because I'm sure everybody's curious. So the videos we make are, are, uh, not means people in Arabic. So it's, it's, it's not daily, people daily. I didn't know that.

I had no idea. Oh, Jesus Christ. It's the fucking cover photo of not Facebook and YouTube channels. God, maybe I just become a finance creator for you guys to give a shit about me. It's like, I'll talk about my favorite credit card. I researched this this morning. Listen to a podcast you were on. Which one? Collins Mir. Oh, nice, nice.

Yeah, so I go around the world, my team and I go around the world and find the most interesting people and the most interesting places. And we just make videos about them. It's as simple as that. This person in Cambodia has 12. speaks 12 languages. This person in Hong Kong looks like Tarzan. This person is the richest, you know,

a billionaire in the world under the age of 30. You know, these are like, there's a lot of inspiring people around the world. Our job is to turn their story into a video. That's it. You'd be surprised how few people, how few videos exist in the world in this industry. That's fascinating.

And you know what's interesting too is that I had actually never heard of you until Vid Summit. Jesus Christ, because you're white. I had, exactly, but the thing is

that you're like, exactly, you're American audience. Like, you don't have much of an American audience for the amount of views that you get.

Only one percent of the country follows Nasdaity. No. Are you serious? We have like three to four million followers from America. You're pulling hundreds of millions of views a month.

Yeah, here in America, people don't necessarily recognize you, but you're huge. Because some of this content, like the Bitcoin content, that was one of my favorite videos that you did,

that interview. Which one? The Bitcoin millionaire. Oh, yeah. The billionaire, yeah. Yeah. Why doesn't that get pushed to a U.S. audience? Well, first of all, it's because of the platform you choose.

So Facebook is actually 95% international. Only 5% of Facebook audience is American. So if you're big on Facebook, you're going to be big wherever Facebook is big. And Facebook is huge in India. It's huge in Philippines. It's huge in Bangladesh, huge in Pakistan, right? and the Middle East. Facebook is nothing in Sweden.

So because of that, we were just sucked into the East. And honestly, I like it because the East also deserves the same content that somebody in Vegas deserves, right? So it's a called content equality. So it's really important. Then I think we started YouTube a year and a half ago and two years ago. And that's where we started to get a lot more American audience. So on Facebook, out of the 35 Facebook followers, we have, like I say, 3 million, 10,000,

And then on YouTube, it's the number one country. It's like 20%, 25%. But it's very low, right? You're 85%. 25% of our content is American. I think it also boils down to the idea that Americans love themselves. They just fucking love themselves, right? It's like, I only care about basketball or baseball or American football.

You know how many people give a shit about American football in Germany? Zero. You know, so I also give zero shits about NFL. So why would we ever make videos about that? So we never make videos about American topics. And I think that's probably why as well. Gosh, that makes sense. How do you find these people?

I'm so curious. And what was the first person that you featured? And lastly, I'm curious, how many offers do you get from people wanting to pay you to feature them? A lot. So the first time I made a video about a human was on Day 300. So the way Nass Daily worked out is I committed to making 1,000 videos in 1,000. That was the biggest, hardest, most ridiculous thing I've done in my life.

Three and a half years of daily video making on Facebook, not YouTube. I was anti-Y YouTube back then. And in the first 300 days, I was training on how to make videos, and I was pointing the camera at myself. But at some point, I realized I should point the camera at others. And that's when things started to go viral. So it was some guy in the Philippines who invented some, you know, a, you know, nonprofit thing. I would say the way we find ideas is every country I go to, I create a meetup.

So a meetup is basically I put on Facebook or YouTube say, I am going to be in Peru. If you like Nasdaily and want to be in the video, come at this place at this time. In China, 20 people come. In the Philippines, 4,000 people come. Wow. You know, it really depends on the country. In America, probably will get 500 or so. It depends on the country and how big Nass Daily is in that country.

And then I have 500 or 1,000 locals. And I literally just ask them, who is interesting in your country? Who should we profile? Give me your mother, your grandfather, your uncles, somebody you heard about in local news. So we literally do like investigative journalism to find ideas that New York Times has never found. And I'll tell this to everybody. I'll look at the camera. If anybody wants to feel like Christopher Columbus, it's too late to feel.

feel like Christopher Columbus as a discoverer, right? Sure. Like we've discovered every piece of land in the world. But if you want to feel like Christopher Columbus, start making videos and go to places that nobody cares about and make videos about the people there, you'll be the first person in the world to make that video and tell that story to the outside world.

And it's kind of like you discovered a new story. And there's a lot of meaning in that. It's fascinating. But first, I want to thank our sponsor, Grammarly. Jack, do you have any New Year's resolutions? Well, I'd like to go on some more dates, but I can't because of my workload. Well, if that's really the only reason, then why don't you get Grammarly? Then you can save a ton of time and go on those supposed dates.

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Right. So he would find a way to create electricity out of like an empty water bottle. So that was, that was really cool and just bringing electricity to people that need it. And it's like, wow, that's great. More people should know about it. And was your first video success? I saw signals of success. I saw on the first video about humans.

Nasdae they failed for the first 270 videos. So the first 270 times I made videos, it was not a real success. It was 100,000 followers on Facebook, zero money, you know, averaging 10,000 views. Yeah. You know, Facebook views are also, you know, three second views.

Right. As YouTubers would call them, they're fake. So you cannot build a business on top of that. And so day 270, I made a video. It went super viral and Nasdaily became what it is. Why do you make that challenge to begin with? Why a thousand videos, a thousand days? What were you doing before that?

Yeah, so I'm a big believer. Before making videos, I was a software engineer. So I was working at Venmo, FinTech. This world. Yeah. I found a lot of meaning in enabling transactions between people. And, you know, that was a lot of fun, especially seeing Venmo go from, you know, nothing to like a 40 billion.

billion dollar company now is insane you know um so so uh why did i make a thousand videos because i believe that i'm not the smartest person the smartest people in the world only need one shot at making a documentary it gets picked up by netflix by canes the whole world sees it and they become big right that's the smartest video makers i'm not that so for me to succeed in this world i need to work five times as hard and iterate 50 times as much. So I believe that in 24 hours, I can fix my mistakes. All I need is 24 hours to fix a mistake. So if I made a mistake on day 100, 30010, I can fix it on day 311. And that iterative sort of mindset that I'm a big fan of enabled me to become a better video maker because I tried and failed and succeeded a thousand

times. You quit your job at Venmo to do this? Yeah, so I quit my job April 8th, 2016. I started NASDAE, April 9th, 2016. Did I think you're crazy for doing it? A little bit because I gave up my U.S. visa. So my H-1B. It's really difficult to give it. Why did you want to quit? It seems like working at VEMO was a great job. It was a dream opportunity. I was making $120K. You know, $120K. I was single living in New York. My parents combined make 80K. So imagine making more than your parents who've been working for 30 years and you just graduated college. What the fuck?

I think, and this goes down to the T-shirt, right? You know, when I was at Venmo, I was selling my time for money. You know, basically I told Venmo, I'll give you 365 days of my life and you give me $120,000. The question is, how much is 365 days of your life worth? Especially in your 20s?

My price then was $500,000, right? Everything has a price. My one year in my 20s, because I'll never get my 20s back, is worth $500,000. And I just needed, if Venmo wasn't going to pay that, I needed to find something that is worth $500,000 to me. And that was traveling and making videos and meeting people and just like being out there, you know, going to Papua New Guinea, going to Ethiopia, going to Kenya. That's fucking amazing. So that's why I had to leave. So I also calculated what percentage of my life is done.

So back then I was 24. 24, I asked Google, when am I going to die? Turns out there's two people that know when you're about to die. God and Google. Google tells you you're about to die at 76 because you're male in the United States. If you're female, it's 78. 24 out of 76 was 32%. When I realized I was one third dead of my life,

I needed to spend the remaining two-thirds of my life doing something important, something meaningful. And ever since then, I've been wearing for the last five fucking years. I've been wearing the same t-shirt. I was about to say every time I've seen you, it's the same shirt. Does that, every year of your life, or like, do you calculate it so then it's like 40%, 41% you got it?

Every eight months. So every eight months of your life and my life is 1% of our lives. And I started Nasdaily at 32%. Yeah. So I've spent 7% of my life building Nasdaalia Nas Academy. Wow. He's not expecting such a good answer. Yeah, that's incredible.

Jeez. So what do your parents think? You're turning away Venmo to make videos. Because that's why I think most parents are, oh, you're making YouTube videos? So, of course, I'm sure your parents, right, you know, in the past five years ago, this is not a career, especially on Facebook where there's no monetization. But now, now I'm really rich. They love it. I've come to realize that parents want two things for their sons and daughters.

Rich, money, or fame? If you become famous, your parents will be happy with you. Because parents care about what society thinks. It's, especially in my community. If society thinks well of you, we support you. If society doesn't think well of you or what you're doing, we don't support you. And so the minute I started to get a million followers and started to get some fame back in Israel, they're like, we're supportive.

When I made my first million dollars, even more supportive, you know, so if you want to please your parents, like index on one of these two things. Now they love it. Now Nasdae is, I think the second most popular Israeli after Galgadot. So Gal Gadot is number one. It's very difficult to compete. But, you know, for them, and for me, it's more than just money and fame. It's, you know, I'm Arab-Israeli.

I'm not Jewish. And, you know, it's very difficult for Arab Israelis to succeed in Israel and be, you know, known in the world stage. And so I think for us, for me specifically, it's a lot more meaningful than maybe making money and getting followers, it's showing the Jews and the Christians and the other Arabs that it is impossible for an Arab who is a second-class citizen to make it big just as much as a Jewish Israeli.

That's really important messaging back home that I want Nasdaeally to give. Wow. That's really cool. So two 70 videos in. You have one that does well. What's that video? How cheap is it?

is Thailand. It's all about money. Oh, wow. See, here we go. It comes full circle back to the iced coffee hour. So how cheap is Thailand? Guys, I'm in Thailand. And did you know that this noodle cup is 30 cents? This hotel with a pool is $30? I can't believe it.

And for these prices, I'm going to buy 100 meals in Thailand and have fun for $30, which is the cost of a cocktail in New York. 30 million views. Wow. You know what? But everyone in the U.S. Secretly wishes they could go and do that if even for a yes yes everybody I've seen those really nice Airbnbs where it's like yeah this is fifty dollars a night and it's like got a pool

It's got a view it's like right like here that would be like a thousand dollars a night Yes make that content the cheapest and the most expensive that content does super well Yeah wow so when that video took off how many more like it did you make was that the sign that like okay now I got to go to other countries and do this too. Yeah. Yeah. At that point, it was no return. No more looking for other jobs.

Content creation is possible as a career. I was 100,000 followers before that video. I became 400,000 followers after that video. One video was 4x my last 270 days. The beauty of the internet is that it's not linear. It doesn't go, you know, like step by step. It goes step, step, step, goes down, goes down, and then it goes up like that.

Yeah. I love that. How do you know that wasn't just a one-off thing? Because I've seen so many creators have a one-off video, just millions of views, and they cannot sustain it. It just goes away. Well, I knew if I made how cheap is Thailand. I knew there's 196 other countries.

How cheap is Philippines? How cheap is Uruguay? How cheap is Germany? You know, so I knew that that content could, extend beyond just a one-off. I was confident of that. Got it. What was the cheapest place?

Now we got to know if you're going to pick the cheapest place for, I would say, the quality of life that you get. So not necessarily like, yeah, you could survive on a dollar a day, but like this is the best value for the cost. Well, Uzbekistan is the cheapest place I've ever been to in my life, but not a high quality of life yet. How cheap is it there? Or like, give us some examples.

of like how much a meal, a place to rent, what you get, transportation. Like, I mean, I went to, like, the most expensive restaurant, and no meal was about $4. Wow. That was insane. I was shocked. And what's the quality of that? Like, good. Really.

How would you compare it to the U.S. in terms of, like, a, like, a restaurant? Is it, like, a, you know, I don't know, Astros quality or, like, yeah. I don't need meat, unfortunately. Okay. Oh, right. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

You know, the U.S. is, I think it's a restaurant to, like, compare it to. I mean, I would say, like, the restaurant we went to last night, right? Wow. Like, you could get the exact same, every meal of $4. Max. Okay. Yeah. That's comparable.

Yeah. But, you know, I... So we went to, like, a Mexican restaurant last night. It was good. High quality. Yeah. It was in the strip, so everything is inflated. Right.

So I would say, well, I wouldn't say high quality. I would say it's medium. No. Jack's caliber of... of food. It's very low. And clothing. Yeah.

Whoa. I'm joking. I'm joking. No, no, no. But Jack goes to this place. What was it called? The Mexican place that you gave? Tony's Mexican.

Tony's Mexican food. It's good, but they serve it to you on like a lunch plate. You know? It's good. It's good food. It's incredible food. What would you say the quality of that is? I would say that's...

High quality. It's 1199 for a chimichanga. I would say the taste is great. The quality is probably less than medium. Like, on a scale one to that, it's probably a four quality. I kind of, I kind of a four quality. I have to trust Graham on this one. Wouldn't you agree with me on this, though?

Because it's not about the money that you're spending on the plate. It's about the experience. That's a very, that's a very nice thing to say. What I don't like is that they do the sour cream. And they put the sour cream in the bottle and they go across the thing. Like that's not good sour cream. It's pretty delicious. Graham, that's authentic.

Okay. Thank you, Alex. In the bottle? Sour cream in the bottle? Is it really? It's off. If you're, depending on what you get, like if you get enchiladas and stuff, to go over it.

Yes, that's authentic. How do you know that? Look at me, man. Look at my skin tone, man. Come on. Bro, I'm brown, you're brown. I cannot make any assumptions on your race. Yeah, but we're in America.

So a 50% chance if you're brown. You're probably from the south, I.k.a. Mexico. You're from Mexico? Well, no, I was born in Illinois. Wow. There you go. If I assume you're Mexican, you'd call me racist.

You put it the first 10 seconds of this video. But anyway, my point is you can go to like some, what are the, taco trucks or whatever, and you'll get some of the best food depending on where you are. So it really doesn't matter, like, what it looks like or if they serve it to you on a lunch plate. Anyway, my point being, if I take Jack to Danes, you'd be like, this is like a five-star. Denny's is incredible. This is like three Michelin Star Restaurant. Come to Dubai again.

I feel like I'm in the tourism board. Come to Dubai because that's where there is really good food. Singapore, Asia. Denny's is crap. By the way, me and my personal trainer made a decision. Every time I go to America, like indexed to get three more kilograms of fat. Because America has no healthy options. The big statements.

I believe it. So let's go back on Uzbekistan. So you're saying $4 for a meal. The meal, in my opinion, would have been equivalent to like, you know, A medium-tier Mexican restaurant here. No, no, maybe, maybe higher. Okay, maybe a little bit higher. Yeah.

What about, like, transportation, uh, lodging, hotel, house? Oh, man. I, I don't, I don't remember to be honest with you, but I would say everything is, everything is like sub 50, like everything. Nothing is like, you know, nothing is like more than a hundred bucks. I, I mean, in one way, like, I, I enjoyed making those videos. But in another way, it's like, it's cheap for us, but it's expensive for them. Yes.

Yeah, what's the income there? Because I think if we look at it in proportion, yes. If you're spending, let's say, $20 a day, $600 a month, or even $1,000 a month, I bet the income would probably be $500. Yeah. That's the problem.

So maybe the, you know, the Big Mac index? Like somebody should find actually where is the biggest purchasing power in the world? That would be by definition the cheapest place. Oh, this place is cheap if I'm a Swiss or a, American tourist, this place is cheap for locals and tourists alike. That's true. What is that country?

I'd love to find that out. Yeah. You should find it. Yes. I think that would be interesting. That's a viral video. Oh. The Big Mac Index.

Yeah. Okay. This is good. That's good. Now we got content. Okay. Yeah. Thanks for that.

Okay. So besides that, what would be the cheapest would you say for the quality that you get? You know, I would highly advise people to, to, the guy next to you, bro. You guys never left America. I just learned that yesterday. No, I've been to Canada and I've been to Mexico.

Oh, nice. Technically. I've been to Canada, too. It was on a layer of. Connection. Canada does not count. It was Vancouver. Yeah.

I would advise everybody to, like, go to the Asia continent one and Africa one. Because Asia is like 60% of. if the world lives there. Six out of 10 humans is Asian, not American. Actually, American is less than 5%. So I think a lot of countries there have like really affordable pricing and good quality living. Like you can look at Bali, Philippines, and honestly Dubai, Singapore.

I mean, they've designed cities and countries and infrastructure, South Korea. They've designed countries way better than America did. but you just don't hear about it. That's the problem. So what country is? Give us Thailand? Philippines, I highly advise you to visit Philippines. It's the most culturally similar to the United States

because you guys colonize it for a while. But so everybody speaks English. Everybody's very friendly and it is incredibly affordable and has the best nature I've ever seen. Second best. But yeah, Philippines is the place to go. And by the way, if you're building a team, I also advise you not just to travel in the Philippines and pay cheap prices, but also to hire from the Philippines. They are the most creative video editors I've worked with in my life.

And 40% of my team, the studios team, is Filipino. All my videos, my best editor, not best, but one of the best editors is a number. 19 year old girl in the Philippines with no college education. And she just edits Nass daily videos. And she's great. How'd you find her? She watches Nastyli. Really?

Yeah. So I hire my community. I hire them my followers, basically. That's so cool. And my students. Anybody takes my class, I hire them. What's interesting to me is that you have a plan.

You told me like your dream is to have a thousand employees. Yeah. And it's so funny because I draw like parallels between that and Graham. And Graham doesn't want to have. Anybody. Really? No, no. No, no.

No employees. As mean as possible. It's just, he was hesitant to hire me. He was hesitant to hire Alex. And he's very satisfied. Even though he may be working 60 to 70 hours a week, he's very satisfied just having two, three employees. Wow.

I would love to talk to you. I'm going to interview you now. All right. Talk to me. I'm a solo. I'm a lone wolf when I comes to a lot of this. Why? What's the motivation?

I just like doing things myself. I've always just been, you know, I like, I've never played in sports. was never a sports person. You don't like teamwork. No. Really? I saw that with that. It sounds bad.

But yeah. The framing of this thing is like, we got to put the green. This green guys is because. Oh, yeah. Well, I like the green. I think it's a good contrast between. It looks nice. It does look nice.

But, you know, I've always liked just doing things myself. And so I've always picked things that I could do on my own and just do by myself. I love that. Do you not trust others? Dear Canadian exporters, our ambitions, our ideas, and our potential were never meant to be boxed in. Nothing can contain us. With the supportive export development Canada's market insights and financial solutions,

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and I've always just been like that Wow So for me it was like you know Making YouTube videos or working as a real estate agent On my you know on my own projects Or you know high school is working Well not really working But like playing music

I could do that on my own Wow Are you not worried that God forbid There's an accident Or you're becoming incapacitated Or whatever the word is And you just cannot generate revenue anymore

That's why I say Save. So, yeah. I save everything. So, like, I've always planned for a point where if it stops the next day, it'd be okay. What if you die, everything you've built dies. There's no legacy or longevity. Well, I think the videos would live on.

So I would be, at this point, knock on it, anything were happening. I'd be so happy the videos are out there. Okay. So your legacy you'd say is in the YouTube videos. I would say so. Now, if YouTube introduces shorts and you have not done any shorts. I'm starting to do shorts. I'm starting that.

I'm starting to do that. Got it. But we knew that's a five-year lifetime. So after you die, everything you've built for 50 years. I think Jack would carry it on. Jack would carry it on the iced coffee hour. Got it. I hope he wouldn't change with Graham and Jack, you know.

Alex and Jack. Alex and Jack. Crossout Graham and Alex. That's interesting. Yeah, Jack would probably carry it on. And then, I don't know, with the money, take care of, take care of his employees. employees. Wow, that's just dedicated employees.

You know, one thing I respect about people is people who know who they are and what they want. That's very much Graham. Right? Yeah, it's just, you know what you want. And there's no argument. And I know what I want, and it's that. And both are equally right, you know?

I get stressed out easily. So for me, a thousand people or more than like, more than Alex and Jack for me is too much to think about. I can't think about anything. Wow. My brain space is 100%. So like anything else. Like that's why you're saying like, you're interdjack.

I don't remember it. It's my brain can't retain more than the most essential information to get through the next week. That's it. Wow. Yeah. If I don't need to retain it, it's not there. It's bad. Your description of Graham is one of the most accurate descriptions.

And this is what I tell people too. Graham knows exactly what he wants and he does exactly what he wants. He only does what he wants. He only does what he wants. Fortunately, what Graham wants does not hurt anyone. And it's... Thankfully, yeah, I didn't think of it that way. Not the next Hitler, okay?

Yeah, I want it to be a positive. Nothing I do would ever be in negative. Graham never does things that he does not want to do. Never. Wow. Yeah. Does it make it difficult to work with him? Yes.

So let's dissect that guy. It's good but bad. Like, it's very good for the business, because generally speaking, Graham knows what's good. He is a pretty good... I do what's good for the business. Yeah, exactly. The founders are notoriously difficult to work with.

Essentially, you're founder of a channel, whatever. They're impossible to work with. And we just have to suck it up and, yeah, understand that. Fortunately, Graham and I have very similar ideals on most things. So Graham is very much like My Way or the Highway type person. Yeah. But generally speaking, I will agree with the decisions that he makes. So it makes it easier on us.

And Jack, Jack will throw out an idea to me immediately I'll shut it down. And then he'll bring it up consistently. And I'll start thinking, I start marinating on the idea. And usually after about a month or till, he'll be like, you know what? We'll try it. How is that? Like, instead of, I'm 100% against it, I'm, I'm now like 50-50. Let's try it.

Nice. So there are some things to Jackal throw out there that just take me a little bit. That's all. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. The way I think about it is, I mean, you know, both all of us want the same thing. We want to live comfortably.

We want to have a legacy and we want to do good for the world. I think the way I think about it is once I finish my thousand videos, I realize that if I die, the channel dies. And if the channel dies, then everything we're working towards is meaningless. So for me is my dream is to build a hundred year company. How do you build a hundred year company when you're going to die in 50 years? you know there's no other option but to hire people so the goal is to hire as many people as possible to build the institution of nas daily the institution of nas that that impact is so sexy like imagine bringing a thousand people to work together to work on something that is important a thousand

people at the same time like it will be a thousand it will not it will be 10,000 times more impactful than one person doing it, you know, because there's scale. Yes. That's what I want to build. So we're 120 people now, and I'm motivated by the size of the company as opposed to the revenue of the company. Wow. So you're going to 10x your employees, basically.

Yeah. We're going to be 250 by the end of this year, and I hope to be 1,000 in five years. That's hiring one person every three days. Yeah. Possible. Oh, gosh. What do they all do? I'm like...

I don't know. I'm like, what do a thousand people do that 250 couldn't accomplish right now? So, you know, with Nass Academy, you know, we, it's, one, it's operationally intensive, but two, we're building exciting technology, right? We have 20 engineers because, you know, we're building a different way to learn. We're building not just video files and give me money. It's like cohort-based learning. We're building different ways to discer.

discover courses. We're building different curriculum. We're building NFT classes, crypto classes, engineering classes, whatever it is. And, you know, curriculum team is three people. Operations team is 20 people. Engineering, 20 people. A product, three people. Marketing, six people. HR, four people. You know, there's video editors. We have like 20 video editors because we're making courses. We're making nice daily videos we're making you know there's there's 20 channels that we're responsible for in 13 different languages so that we upload a hundred pieces of content every week can you upload a hundred pieces of content by yourself every week no that's why you need a team well unless we do clips we could clip everything I'm sure we can find a way we still would need more people if you

wanted to do that you still yeah but I think that's too I think there's a point where there's diminishing returns yes first video you post 100 percent second video nine Yeah, but you have to appeal to different audiences, which is how you can continue to not, like, burn out your audience. Exactly. So 100 videos. Is that, like, different languages too? Or like, yeah. Okay.

So we have 13 channel, 13 languages on five different platforms. Yeah. Snapchat, TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube. And then Arabic, Hebrew, Spanish, Bahasa. Wow. So every video we make on Nasaka, every course we put in Nasdaqa, every video we put on Nasdaadi. We've built software to take it and put subtitles in a different language. And I'll tell you a story.

When I hit 10 million followers on Facebook, I was celebrating. I was so happy. I was celebrating with my friends. And then I realized, oh my God, my dad is not one of my followers. Like I found 10 million people and my dad and my mom are not one of them because they don't understand the videos because it's in English. If you speak, may they speak Arabic? If you speak English, you're talking to the minority. 20% of the world speaks English.

80% does not fucking know what we're talking. talking about. That's crazy. Alex, do your extended family, do they speak English? Barely. They don't know what the hell you're doing here. They think you're wasting your life away. They actually don't know what I do because they don't understand YouTube.

Yeah. And English. Yep. So when we started putting subtitles in Arabic and made a whole new channel called Nass daily Arabic, it got 5 million followers. 1% of the Arab world follows Nasdaily. 2% of Vietnam follows Nasdae. And I don't speak a single word of Vietnamese.

That's powerful. So we think that everything you're making, all your content that you guys are making is like, you know, you're literally saving lives, financial lives with your content. But you're actually, you're only like making the rich richer. If somebody is on YouTube speaking English in America, I mean, they're the richest in the world.

Can someone in Mexico or in Vietnam benefit from your financial advice? It's your responsibility to make that content for them in their language. I'm worried, though, because people ask me to make content for, like, could you make content centered around the UK or, like, different countries? It's so different that a lot of the just do a Roth IRA index funds doesn't apply in a lot of places. So my advice is very U.S. focused, and it has to be because that's the only market I know. Makes sense. But money is universal. Crypto at some point is universal.

I think the cryptocurrency audience would be worldwide. Yes. Yeah. my audience comes from India for cryptocurrency, which is way higher than almost every other topic. So I make video about stocks. It's like 90% U.S. Crypto, 10% India. Less U.S.

Yeah. So, and Australia was another big one. I told you this yesterday, Graham. You are a 10 million follower channel. But because of the process now, you only have 3 million. But what the people that everything, the content, everything, 10 million people need to follow you. And how do you suggest doing that? Different languages.

Okay. So multiple ways. One is shorts. Yes. Start creating shorts. Two is start creating universal content, which is forget the Roth IRA for a little bit and make a show called universal finance or a show called crypto. And literally just make crypto content once a week as a new show and turn it into shorts. and you'll just get a lot of people interested.

So now your content became universal and then after that step two is start localizing it. You know, build YouTube channels or Facebook channels or for YouTube channels in Spanish and then in Arabic and then in yadi yadi yadi yadi. Then go on wherever humans go. So TikTok, Snapchat, Facebook, YouTube, Instagram. Amazon presents Jeff versus Taco Truck Salsa.

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Oh, man. Graham just sees, he hears that and he's like, too much work. Too much work. Yeah, I'm like a sniper where like you get one thing to do and I'll do that really well. And for me, that was the main channel. And then everything else is kind of similar to that. So like I could sniper that one little thing. But yeah, you lost me all.

No, it makes sense. I mean, I'm happy to hear that because it shows I have an opportunity here. Yes. you have a, I would recommend you do that. Because I could see the light in your eyes when you explain this. Like, you've got it mapped out. Like, that's something that you could do 100%. Yeah.

And you've already got the reach on that. So you could take it from 50 million to 100 million now. Yeah. Yeah. Great. Please follow NAS finance in Arabic. And Spanish. And Spanish.

And every other language. It exists. Whatever you speak, he's got you covered. Yeah, basically. So I want to know what drives you, what motivates you to do so much to build such a massive team and continue pushing when it seems like you've basically already made it. Already made it. Wow. Interesting.

So where did you guys grow up? Here. In Vegas? No, no. No, no. I didn't. I grew up in Vegas. I mean, here is in the U.S.

Like we grew up. Yeah. I mean, South Carolina. Southern California. So, got it. So I grew up in the most complicated. conflict in the world, the Israel-Palestinian conflict. The most complicated, never-ending solution. 15 or 10 U.S. presidents tried to fix this conflict, couldn't. You guys introduced health care.

You couldn't fix Israel and Palestine. So I grew up in that area as a Palestinian-Israeli. So whatever motivates me has to do with my childhood, right? It has to do with how I grew up. If you grow up seeing people die for a piece of land, it puts a bit of your brain. It puts a bit of your brain. If you grow up seeing people kill each other for religion, it kind of fakes you up. If you grow up seeing so much hatred, rockets falling on people killing them, attacks, terrorist attacks, all that shit. It makes you think what is important in life. Is it making money? Well, you could be a billionaire.

People are still going to die in your neighborhood. It's actually the most important thing in life is just doing something that could potentially save a life. And for me, I think it's politics. It's not dentistry and it's not medicine. I think eventually politics is the most important field that everybody needs to be in. So how do you get into the politics world? Well, one, you need a lot of followers. You need to be really good in front of the camera.

So we're trying to do that. And two, you need a lot of money. So you need to be independent. So you need 100 million followers and 100 million dollars if you really want to affect change in this world and stop people from dying. That's my goal. That's what motivates me. Get $100 million, get $100 million,

followers, and then use those two things to fix the unfixable, to fix these conflicts around the world. How would you do that? Where would you start? You know, where you grew up? Yeah. Yeah.

I think, you know, a lot of people shit on, like, governments, governments in effect, especially in America, there's a lot of hatred against governments, right? Oh, cannot do things. Politicians are all corrupt. At the end of the day, guys, the only reason you're alive is because a politician decided not to bomb the crap out of you. That's what it boils down to.

Politics is the most important thing on the planet. So my 20-year goal is I want to be in the private sector for the next 10, 15 years. And eventually I want to move on to the public sector because for me, that's where the real meaning is. And then I'll just have no more meaning left in like, in like, you know, making money or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. So after that,

what will you feel? What if you solve that conflict? Oh, you cannot solve that conflict. Yeah. And there's always going to be a conflict. Yeah. Always going to be something.

You solve one and another will pop up. You solve that and another will pop up. Exactly. You probably make a net positive still. Exactly. It's a lifelong mission. Yeah. We were saying this to Kevin right before he ran for governor on the podcast, by the one.

Kevin one. I mean Kevin. Me Kevin. Oh, yeah, the guy, California governor, right? California, yeah. You were supporting him pretty a lot. Yeah, yeah. And we mentioned it.

Now, I don't want to take 100% credit, but I mentioned to him, I'm like, listen, with the following that you have and his ability to speak, he had a chance to run. Yes. And what happened? And, well, you know, I would say he got way closer than a lot of people thought and did him quite well. He got like 600,000, 700,000 votes. What?

In California on the recall, which is insane for, like, you know, a YouTuber. 700,000 people. But I, but I was. explains you the reach that you have on social media. And I wouldn't be surprised if at some point social media people get into politics because of their reach. Yes. They have a reach that just advertising dollars can't get to. And so, you know, if Elon Musk runs, he'd get a huge vote just because of his reach already.

Or a Mark Cuban or a Mr. Beast runs at some point. Like everyone who grew up with Mr. Beast would just inevitably vote for him. Yeah. Almost everybody. Basically. Yeah. We've already have the influencer president. It was President Trump.

He was the first influencer president, basically. It's possible. So I think it's going to happen. I think it's only a matter of time because everyone growing up watching people, it's going to go in that direction. The current prime minister, the next prime minister of Israel is scheduled to be a TV personality, which is basically a creator, right? So everybody grew up watching him on TV, and now he went to politics, and now he's the prime minister. So I'm curious, who are the favorite people? that you've met or the most interesting.

The most interesting people that I've met, you guys. Oh. Thank you. You know, the world is full of, I mean, dude, there's some crazy interesting and there's some crazy inspiring, right? Some interesting is like some guy looks like Tarzan and he lives in Hong Kong, right? He literally looks like Tarzan and he lives in the jungle. We got to see it.

I got to see this. You got to see this? Just type on YouTube. He is the real Tarzan. Oh my gosh, you weren't kidding. I wasn't joking. Look at that. Holy guess.

Wow. How did you find this guy? Oh, my God. I had a meetup in Hong Kong, and someone said, my friend lives in the jungle and looks like Tarzan and works at Disney. You want to make a video about him? I was like, yeah. And so we went visiting him.

That video, you know how many views it got? 100 million views. Oh, my gosh. 100 million views. How did this guy's life change after that video? He became popular overnight in Hong Kong. You know, people started taking pictures with him and everything. And, you know, I think the beauty of making videos is that both parties benefit.

We benefited because we got more followers. He benefited because his story now is out to the world. So it's a great Pareto efficiency. It's a win-win. The other interesting, inspiring people, I would say, is the youngest billionaire in the world. The youngest billionaire in the world is not Kylie Jenner. it is a guy in India named Ritesh. And he started a hotel.

Oh, you know, Oyo Hotel? Yeah. Yeah, the founder of Oyo Hotel. Yeah. You know, there's like thousands of Oyo hotels in India and around the world. And, you know, he's 26, 27 now. And he's about to IPO his company for like, I don't know, God knows, I make $10 billion. I mean, that's nuts.

Yeah. That's inspiring, right? So that's another person. especially because he grew up in like a village where people have a hundred bucks a month. So it's amazing to see entrepreneurship enable you to become a billionaire if you work hard enough.

Who else is interesting? You know, there's the crazy people, the guy who wins like the mustache, the most beautiful mustache in the world, like really huge mustache. Jack, take some notes from this guy, Jack. Yeah. Yeah, you know, that's kind of people.

we find. That's cool. Who is your favorite? Who's the most memorable to you? I think you don't have a favorite child and therefore every video is a child. What's the first one that comes to mind? Like you're the most memorable, just whatever's the first. It doesn't even have to be a good performing video.

It wasn't about a person. My favorite video is called Jews versus Arabs. And it's about, you know, I was. I was sitting, making a video in Jerusalem, and then some girl comes to me and says, you're Palestinian or you're Arab, get out of here. So it was kind of like a racist interaction. And that was the most meaningful video I've done in my life

because it was shot on camera because my camera was on. And so the interaction between me and a 15-year-old kid, she hates me, my people hate her. And it's really interesting to see how the company. She's 15. Oh, my gosh. And you have that interaction on camera? Yeah.

What was the ending of that? What happened? She left. She said, get out of here, or you shouldn't be proud to be Arab, or you guys kill us. And it's understandable

why you would hate an Arab. Okay. It's very easy to hate Arabs. My people, I also hate some of them. It's very easy to hate us. So I understand why she would hate us because, you know,

you kill us, you bomb us. We cannot be safe around you. In another hand, it's like, okay, not every Arab is a terrorist. and then, you know, her uncle who was there, who was also racist,

he basically took her away. Wow. Yeah, and they both left. Jeez. How many of these do you film and then just decide afterwards, you're not going to post it? This video took me two months to think about and post

because it's very sensitive and it's not, I don't want to be known as the guy who had a racist interaction. So I kind of want to be known for just like only good things, But it's just, it's difficult. And there's so much. It's so difficult.

With Nasty, every video took 24 hours. So you make it on the day, it uploads the next day. So there's no time to think. Only with that video, I waited two months. But everything else, yeah, make it today, upload tomorrow. Has there been any videos that you posted that have led to some backlash? Always. There is always backlash.

If you are, you know, before making content, right, if you have 10 friends, you probably have one enemy, right? Let's say one guy you don't like, he doesn't like you, but you have nine friends, life is good. But if you multiply that by a million, you have 10 million friends, and now you have one million enemies. So Nasdaily has roughly 5 million enemies,

maybe 10 million enemies around the world. That sucks. So every video we make has backlash, some sort of backlash. I don't like the way you're dressed. I don't like the way you talk. I don't like your mustache. I don't like this.

I don't like that. So when you get big enough, it's inevitable. I'm sure you get that too. I'm sure you guys get that as well, right? A little bit, not much. It's weird. On YouTube, I want to say 99.9% super friendly. Yes.

It's then when someone repost something to like Facebook or Twitter or like another platform where people don't know me, then the comments are wild. What do they say? What's the number one reason people hate you? Pinchable face. Well, no. Punchable face? It's my punchable face.

No, no, we always joke. Because it's like the most phrased word on YouTube. Like they phrase on YouTube is like, you have a very punchable face. Oh my God. Everyone has a punctual face. What's the other reasons? Yeah, a cheap. You're cheap.

Yes. Are you cheap? Yes. Yes. Yeah. But I think it doesn't look like it. I think it's endearing. I don't know.

I don't mind it. We have to beg him for this set just so you know. Yeah, I was paying for half. No. Jack owns half of the channel. Okay, so you get half of the ad revenue. Yeah. Okay, it's fair.

Yeah. But still, I mean, this set is only a recent development. And beforehand, we were doing it on a couch. I saw it. On the microphones we got for free. Yes. Yeah, it's fine. Using towels as light diffuser still.

Wow. Yeah, so we got like actual studio lights and a nice set. I agree. This set has made a difference. And I remember we built out this set. We've made a lot of money because of the set. Yeah, I agree the set was a good choice. I like the couch, and people initially liked the couch because he said,

like Ted. Those comments said, I missed the couch because it felt like a very laid-back, just, you know, buddies on the couch just chatting. And I get that. I get it. But this, but I think also they were used to the other one, so any change would have been back. True. So I'm happy with this.

How much you spend per month? Not much. Well, the thing is I'm paying two mortgages. So, like, that skews things heavily. Um, well, I mean, keeping two mortgages, don't get the mortgages. Don't get the mortgages. No, you're paying into your own assets. Yeah.

Got four thousand, five thousand, four thousand dollars a month. What do you spend it on? Is that a lot? Yeah. That's, that sounds like a lot more. I mean, I don't know. If you don't count like the occasional needing something for like your business or something. Yeah.

So I'm, yeah, okay. So if we're taking out business related expenses, because a lot of that's discretionary in the sense, like we don't need it. But if it can help. help us, you know, do that. New hard drive. Yeah, let's do a little business stuff like that. What about like labor costs?

Basically asking about both their salaries. Yeah, well, Jack's basically on a percentage. So whatever the podcast does, so it's dependent on the performance. Got it. So I don't really count. The labor, the real only labor costs that I have for you would be 22% of the second channel and 30% of the mentorship. I'm thinking like, I don't know, it's probably $3,000 to $4,000 a month, like, personal expenses because that would include maybe like, you know, the car insurance.

Well, that's not that much. It's not a lot of money. I would say it's probably close to about $2,000 that gram spending per month. You have health care. You have car insurance. You have food. That's a rounding error that you're spending per month. Probably, yeah.

Wow. Yeah, because I don't need. I don't need the most expensive things are the two mortgages. And that's it. But that's a profitable thing, right? If you rent it out. Yes, I could rent it out. But if we actually count like interest, property taxes, stuff like this, I don't know, that's maybe $3,000 a month on that.

Like, it's not much, but I enjoy that. And then everything else is discretionary for, it's usually, if I'm spending money on something, it's something that I know I could get a return on or it's something that'll keep its value. Like the car is something. The car was like $300,000. But I knew that would make more money. 300 grand. Yeah. What did you have?

The Ford GT. You have the Ford GT? That's $300,000. Yeah. But now it's almost 400 grand. But I bought this car knowing that like... A single function device? Yeah, but this car to me was something that I could buy.

And it's, worst case, it's a savings account. So I'd rather keep my money in a car than sitting in ally bank. So between the two, the car's already better. But I knew the car was going to be going up in value. Wow. It's just, it's such a collectible item. So I knew worst case, it's going to be going to like 5% a year. So I'd rather have the car.

So like certain things like that I could justify because I know it's going to make money. Yes, close to $100,000 in watches. What? Those make money. It's better to have your money in a watch. In the right watch, at the right price, than a savings account. Yeah, I believe that. In the right watch.

It's also better to have it in NFD than in cash, some could say. Some could say. Some could say. The right NFT. In the right NFT, yeah. Yeah. But watches, they can be a fantastic investment. So stuff like that, I really enjoy that.

But I like the collectible nature of being able to buy something and have it be worth more than you could be a part of. You're going to hate me for this. Do you know how much I have in cash that's sitting there eroding away? Probably one-a-half million, two million dollars. Three to four million dollars sitting there in cash. Yeah, but that's part of the business though, right? Or is that you personally? Me personally, like two million.

Why don't you invest it? That's terrible. I don't know how. You're here at the iced coffee hour. Like, I don't know how to invest. I know how it's just, it bores the crap out of me. You got to get somebody to do it for it. Is it boring in a bank account more exciting?

No, it's just not exciting. All of money is not exciting. If you could pay someone right now $1,000 to just set it up for you and move the money from a bank account and do an index fund, would you do that? Absolutely too. I got you, man. I got you right now. I'm telling you.

I can set it up in 15 minutes. You're American. I don't want to do anything with America. The tax system here is crazy. I don't pay tax at all. Can you not invest in a U.S.-based index fund? No, I don't want to. I don't want to.

You don't want to be able to invest. I can invest from Singapore. So there's no capital gains in Singapore. Right. And there's no income tax in Dubai. But you do not want to invest in anything in the U.S. market. No, no, I will invest from my Singapore bank accounts. Yes.

I will not pay tax on that, I think. All you need to do is a total stock market index fund. You could go. So expensive now. It's always going to be more expensive. As it being too expensive right now, especially if you're talking about index funds. Everything is overpriced. That's what they were saying a year ago.

And for the last 10 years, yeah. Last year. I was busy making videos. And what about the year before that? I was busy you're making videos. And you say you want to make it. Before that I had no money. You say you want to get to $100 million.

I think realistically, one of the best contributors to getting to $100 million is going to be investing. True. 100%. I'm indexing on like one stock to appreciate, which is the NASA Academy stock. Right. So that's why I'm spending 25 hours every day on that stock. But if you have that much money in your own personal account that's separate from the business,

you've got to invest that money. At least invest half of it. Yes, yes, mom. Two million in cash. Two million invested. And forget that the two million you invest, forget that ever even exists. Just basically burn it to the ground, doesn't exist anymore. Don't look at it for 20 years.

Yeah. That's your fallback. In case anything happens, that two is going to grow to five. Yeah, it's true. That's what you need to do. And just a total stock market index fund. That's it. Just that one thing.

And you could even do 80% total stock market index, 20% emerging markets are international. That way you get more exposure to other countries outside the U.S. It would take you 30 minutes to say it. Oh, yeah. Easily 30 minutes. I got to do it. It's just I've dreamed of being rich, but the minute I became rich, I realized how, how useless it is. I'm not used this. It's very useful.

How boring it is to be rich. Do you feel that way or no? You don't? No. It's a number on a screen. Like you work like a donkey, and I'm working like a donkey to increase that number on a screen in which you only use 0.01% of it every month for nothing.

I mean, I don't... Well, because it's sitting in a savings account, you know, if you did something with it, You would start to see the benefit. Like if you knew that you'd have an extra $100,000 a year, let's just say, let's even say on $2 million, let's say you would have $60,000 a year, extra. Just here it is in your account.

Do whatever you want with it, spend all of it, and it's going to come back to you. You would be able to make such a big difference for things that are important to you. Yeah. For 30 minutes of work. So even if the money is like boring to you, I guarantee you'll find a great way to spend that $60,000

in a way that's meaningful for you. Okay, okay, I'm convinced. All right, cool. I will do it. Did my job. I will do it. Yeah, no, I mean, I will do it. I think it's, there is, there is, it's kind of like, what do you call it?

By the way, I've traveled for four years and I don't have an airline miles accounts. Like, for four years, every one week I was on a plane and I don't have a mile. That's another problem. That's not nearly as big of a problem as the cash. Yeah. Pretty small problem, but it's way bigger. Yeah. Yeah.

But you should have been paying with a good credit card, getting the points, getting the miles. I would say that's 50% off your flights. It would be a good idea for you to hire just a personal, like, investor. Someone's just for you. Well, like, one, an actual employee that would just make these decisions for you. Well, that person needs to be making 10K a month for it to be worth their time. No. It's so easy.

If there's something, you cannot get someone who's like, really. You know how it would probably take them 10 hours a week to do everything that they needed for you? The thing is, the problem is that if you get somebody licensed, there are so many regulations for a licensed person to give you investment advice that they would have to charge some extreme amount and they wouldn't probably be on their own. But you could be one of multiple of their clients. Yeah, but it's like, but if you get somebody who's just a personal finance enthusiast who's like, hey, you know, if I were to do this, you know, I would probably just do this.

Yeah. If it were me. They'd sign you up for the credit cards. They give you everything that you need. And all you need to do is either swipe or just keep your bank account high enough. I don't know the regulations for that. It's so strict on like paying somebody else to do your finances. It's so.

Regulation. You're supposed to. That's why, you know. Oh, you're not supposed to pay some random. You're supposed to be licensed. You're supposed to be licensed. Yeah. Like if you're like, Graham, I'm going to pay you $10,000 to invest my money.

You can't do that. Oh, gosh. No, that would be like the biggest violation. I would never do that. Really? Yeah. What if I give you 100,000? No, I'm kidding.

Deal. No, no, no. Every law has a price. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think one of the issues that Nasda has faced is that we have no country. You know, when I left America, I went to Singapore.

Now I'm getting out of Singapore to go to Dubai. And it's just only in the last year have I had a real country presence. But for you, it's much easier. I'm in America. I'm an American. I'm with Uncle Sam for the rest of my life. Right. So I got to get better with this system.

But for me, I spent three years figuring out what is a better system than Uncle Sam that saves me more money. And I think I found it finally in two countries. And so now I'm trying to establish financial ties in those countries. Singapore and Dubai. Okay. No capital gains in Singapore and no capital gains in Dubai and no income tax in Dubai. Isn't Dubai slightly better because of the no income tax?

It is, it is. But so the way I'm structuring this, this is not financial advice, is all my stock holdings are in Singapore and all my, you know, all my income, because I'm a resident. I'm a resident of Dubai. So this way you get the best of both worlds. Singapore is much easier to invest in from venture capital funds because they've done it before. A lot of companies have listed in the NASDAQ from Singapore. Dubai is still very fresh.

Does Dubai have capital gains tax? No, none. So why not just do everything to buy? For investors, I think they're slightly more comfortable investing in a Singapore company than a Dubai company for now. But I think that'll change in the future. Got it. And how does Dubai get away with no tax?

Where do they get their money from? I was looking at the government's income statement, actually, like a week ago. I think people think Dubai is oil money, but only 5% of the revenue of the government of Dubai comes from oil. 5%. 60% come from fees. It says fees. I don't know what fees. Registration fees.

You know, there are tax. taxes for like banks and oil companies and some sectors. You know, there's maybe like import tax maybe or like the airport. I don't know, but it says 60% comes from fees. And then there's a VAT. VAT. Fees. No one's going to question that.

Yeah. Another one is 30% VAT, which is 5% on like sales. Fees. I'm wondering if it's like import fees. Like if you take a car to Dubai, you're paying an extra fee. It probably is that. And that pays for everything It was crazy

Doesn't Dubai have like The Bugatti police cars Is that Dubai? Oh yeah The Audi R8 Do they have that? Yes Is every police car

An Audi R8? No It's like five Out of 500 Okay Do you see them ever Or I saw one or two

I saw BMW Why did they do that Like what's the point To be It's good publicity Like I was under the impression All of them were out of Really?

Yeah Well that's the impression They want you to have Yeah The idea I think So I think So I think Dubai is like, realizes the importance of media,

which is just like Hollywood. Like, you know, Hollywood is like the best propaganda arm for the U.S. ever existed. You know, I was a village kid in Israel watching

pursuit of happiness and I was crying. I was like, I love America. It's so amazing, you know, American dream. Independence Day,

oh my God. You know, like every country has its own form of propaganda. Propaganda is not a bad thing. There's a bad North Korean propaganda. There is good Hollywood propaganda. And I think, you know, for Dubai, they're building their own image, right, on social media,

not on the big screen, on social media. And so if you want to get more views on social media, do something extreme. Build the tallest tower in the world. Get five Bugatti. And it works because they need to change the image. Because your image and other people's images of Dubai is like it's a desert. or it is a bunch of, you know, terrorists because it's Arabs. And it's like, no, like, it's actually a different image completely if you visit and see it.

Yeah, I think the wealthy image where you see like the islands and the tallest building and the R8, you know, police cars and the lines of like Rolls Royces everywhere. I got a couple rapid fire questions. Yeah. What's your overhead? Ooh, good one. NASDALY, 170K a month. Nass Academy 500K a month

So you're netting $350 a month Well what is Two 50% It's not profitable yet Okay Nass Academy is not profitable yet Okay

It's different Different legal entities Oh So the engineers And the tag So it's still working as a startup Trying to get Yeah

Not Academy's venture backed Got it So we raised $11 million And we use that To build Yeah $11 million It's a lot of money to build.

Is it a lot of money? Yeah. Really? No. It's not. To me that seems like a lot. I'm thinking like, oh, you know, making a teachable account. You know, 99 bucks a month.

Make the content. Well, you're making what is effectively like a skill share, right? You're making what is similar to a skill share, right? We're making, basically the closest one is monthly. Okay. You know monthly? No. We're still out of touch.

We got to have a nice little session. I know. I know we do. No, it's kind of like a better, a better version of Skillshare and you demi. Something along like a better version of Skillshare. Yes, okay? Just to call it at that. But actually, we're building creator tools.

So we're building creator tech. So you are a creator, you are a creator. Like localization. Graham stuff in Arabic, we have a Google translate for video. So if you want to make your videos into Arabic, we can spin around in 10 minutes, make all your channel in Arabic. That's tech. We're building education tech, you know, all that stuff, cost money. God, it's okay.

We also, because we raised 11 million, and we have like 7 million left in the bank. But we're losing money every month. But, you know, the goal is in the next three, four months to go and raise Series B. You know, go raise 40, 50 million dollars and build even more. You know, that is the game I want to play. Yeah.

And for that, you need to hire. Yeah. I'm so different from that. It's weird. I wouldn't do something unless it immediately makes money from day one. somebody told me this before a venture capitalist told me this before if you want if you like profit today it means you care about today more than you care about tomorrow like you're actually pessimistic about the future basically what it boils down to it if you invest today it means you think tomorrow

is going to be so much better that it's worth losing money today and when I heard that I was like yeah why am I making like 400k profit per month that so I literally took took the 400kk and I hired 50 more people. To me, it's about sustainability because if you know you can make money today, you know you could make money tomorrow. And so at that point, the money today is something that you could reinvest even more

and then let it grow, but it's making money today. Yeah, but the money, but you said reinvest, right? Yes. But what if you can reinvest beyond the dollar that you have? What if you can invest your dollar? But then I'm worried about growth too quickly,

about getting, you know, putting, what are they called, putting the cart before the horse? Bro, what is growth too quick? NFTs go from $0,000 to $100 million in like a year. There's no, and if anything, we are doing growth too slow. I don't know. I think slow and steady.

Slow and steady is a race? Yeah. I've always taken a different approach, though. I've always done that idea. I mean, most likely in 20 years, we'll end up in the same spot, right? It's just, mine is a lot more like this. Maybe. Yeah, I don't know.

Yeah. You know, the way I feel about it is that, you know, I'm 39%. And I have like this much left. I'll never be poor. You'll never be poor. You'll never be poor. It's like, let's take a couple of risks. Yeah.

What is the last time you took a big risk? Did you ever bet your existence? I'm betting my existence on this. No. You definitely is not. You should bet your existence on something. I don't want to take unnecessary risk. It's not unnecessary because if you bet it,

you end up with something amazing. No, no. To me, that's unnecessary. risk. Elon Musk bet his existence on SpaceX. I don't think I could do that though. Makes sense. How about you, Jack?

Could I bet my existence, meaning everything that I've worked for, everything that I have? Yeah, just put it in one big thing. If I was extremely sure of it, I probably would. But for me to find something

that I'm so sure of that I would bet everything I've worked towards, probably not. You wouldn't find him. I think it could happen, but it's probably pretty unlikely. Let me give you an example. I was so sure about

YouTube and I've wanted to make YouTube videos when I was 21 years old and I just I felt it and I was like I just felt like this is something I have to do I didn't do it for five years it's 26 when I made my first YouTube video and I was working as a real estate agent I was even making up to a million dollars a year on YouTube I was still working as a real estate agent I could not get that off because I knew that it was so risky and I waited until the point where it was like now is the right choice wow that took me three years to get to that point Kind of like Mark Rober, right? Mark Rober was, had 10 million followers.

And he was working at NASA. He was working at NASA. Yeah. So to me, that was like I, you never want to bet everything on one thing in case it doesn't work out. I wanted something to fall back on it. For me, you know, if I scale back on working as a real estate agent to any degree, it's so much more difficult to build that client base back up.

If I've spent like eight years building up a client base, it's consistent. If I start turning that away, then, when it's at its peak, that could be disastrous in the event something else doesn't work out. But don't you trust your inner self? Like if I could do it once, I could do it again. I'll tell you something, right? Right now you have proven that the masses like your personality, even though some people say punchable face.

You've proven you have a product market fit. And I've proven that despite the haters, I have enough people that like me for me. Therefore, I could do whatever the hell I want. I can come back and just start from zero and build nice daily again. I don't have the energy, the same energy as it did when I was 21. How old are you now? 31. If it's an energy thing, I see that.

Especially if you have kids and a family. Oh my God. Yeah. I know. I look back at like everything. Really the last 10 years, I'm like, those are crazy hours. I mean, maybe I could do it again. But like today, I probably have 85% of the energy I had back then.

Maybe 80%. You're 80%? What are you at now? What I used to have back then? Yeah. Still 100. No. I would say, no, I'd say a year ago today.

I'd say you went from 100 to, I think 100 to 82. Oh my God. He's saying you're decreasing in performance. No, I think I'm increasing in performance. Jack is increasing output, decreasing output, decreasing time. The hustle. Okay, so if we're talking about direct work hustle, sure, I hustle less now, but I'm not opposed to going back. And if I have to hustle, I'm not opposed to that.

If I have to do it, I have to do it. Do you have anything tying you down? Yes. Like you have a family, kids? Nothing tying, Jackson. His hiking today is tying. Well, like, tying me down insofar as like, I want to travel and I want to go experience stuff. Seriously.

Yeah, I wanted to do a spa day with Jack and Alex today. And Jack was like, no, I can't. I got hiking. I'm going hiking. You're tied down by hiking. Yes. You're going to go walk on a mountain. That sounds amazing.

Like, we have different preferences. The point is. It's like I do have the grind. I do have the hustle. But I love to spend that efforts doing other things that like I feel like are more rewarding and valuable for me. Like going hiking with my housemates like going out last night. I've lived in Las Vegas for like nearly a year now.

And I've gone out to the strip maybe like three times. So that was the third time that I've gone out. Yeah. That was the first time. Oh no. We've gone to the wind before. No, but we never like went like, okay, sure. But that's also on your like because if we go out with Graham,

is generally always, it's on his terms. So it's like we go to this hotel, we go to this casino, we do this. He needs to be independent, bro. This was like probably the third time I've actually gone out. I've never been to a club ever. So I'm trying to spend now some time to like Jack. He's a nice guy, right?

Clubs are overrated. How old are you? 23. Oh, okay. Well, there's also that. Okay. But, yeah, I mean, like, I still have the hustle,

but I want to spend that efforts and stuff doing stuff that I find more fulfilling. Like, I love work. It's great and it's rewarding, but I think I need to spare some time for other things that I think are more fulfilling and are closer to my end goal. What percentage of your life, guys, do you spend working? Oh, probably 85.90 for me. 90? You go to the spa today.

How is that 90? That's work. What does the work benefit? It's to family. I wanted to do a whole spa day. We got a sponsor and this to family. And I forget who mentioned, you mentioned a gender. It would be fun to do a spa day, all of us.

Because Jack has never gotten a massage before. So it's for content. For content. But I think it's... Graham and I have different ideas of what work is. So for example, you ask me, Jack, what do you spend, like, what percentage of your time you spend, like, working? I would probably say, like, 40%. Wow.

Yeah. But realistically, as Graham, deep inhale, exhale. But as far as me doing stuff that I'm not necessarily enjoying, but I have to get it done because it's like a requirement of living, you know what I mean? Probably closer to like 75%. Got it. Yeah. That makes sense. 80%.

For example, like setting up my back door Rothet. setting up like different things fixing stuff at the house like I'm always busy last night it was also work basically I see I don't qualify that as work that is work I didn't see that as work either you're not working I don't something beautiful could come out look what happened we went to the dinner we got this content and you're gonna make 2K from ad revenue that's work let's hope we make 2K then that'll be good that'd be nice yeah we gotta make 2K let's see yeah that's cool yeah I think I'm more like you think like 85 to 90% yeah but I love love work.

Yeah. Like if you give me a day to do whatever I wanted, I would work. I don't think you do, Graham. What? I don't think you love work. I do. Nope. I disagree.

Ooh. I think Graham thinks he loves work because it's good enough. I think Graham has been on one of the longest and gnarliest dopamine detoxes of anyone I know. I think Jack has a skewed perspective because I only tell Jack about the times where I am just like having a difficult time. When I reach out to Jack, hey man, I can't think of a topic today. What do you think? Yeah.

There's nothing going on. That's all Jack hears. Jack never hears the times where he doesn't hear from me for three days. Why don't you share the good stuff with him? Hey, Jack, look, that's amazing. That is true. It's like our relationship is built off of Jack. This happened, man.

Can you fix this? Oh, this is terrible. And I'm like, oh, man, he really seems stressed out. That is true. But the thing is to let yourself get to the point where you are stressed out and you're like antsy and kind of frantic and sometimes like, you know, nervous or irritable, to let yourself get to that point. There has to be something in your life.

that is not going so well. It's like I don't necessarily feel. I would say it's normal. It is normal to feel those things, but you also feel them in higher volume than other people do. And also, I think like, if you're content with your life

and you're fulfilled and you're happy, you don't let yourself, like, unreasonably feel anger or bad emotions like that. Like, at the end of the day, if something bad happens, you know you'll be okay because every other, like,

aspect of your life is balanced and content. No, I don't believe that. Yeah, I think it's, I care so much. You care, yeah. You know, Sean Mendes has, had a documentary with case and massive i don't even seen is that if you're nervous it means you care if you're not nervous you don't give up i think being i agree feeling nervous but feeling nervous

in a good way versus feeling nervous in a bad way those are two different things i remember reading somewhere that you don't feel emotion or you don't get angry or upset or sad or happy about things that you uh that you don't care about yes so you only feel those emotions towards things that you that mean a lot to you correct and otherwise if i didn't feel any emotion of the channel i wouldn't care at all correct would not be where it is today. Unless you're doing. But I think it's,

I think it's different because I'm not talking about like things directly tied to work, but just in general, like being sometimes irritable and stuff like that outside of work. And I think that because of the stuff that, like your work life balance, it translates into other things, aspects of life. That's true.

But, no, I mean, I agree with that. I agree with that portion. But, but yeah, when you're working like eight hours,

it's hard to come out of that. It's hard to, you know, snap and like when you're so focused on one thing to then like emerge from this cocoon of the office yeah right but if you spent a little bit more time like introspecting and and thinking about things and maybe i don't meditating i don't meditate but just giving yourself a little bit of time you know what i mean and slowing down for a second i think it would do you a lot of justice yeah see this is the part where like i'll disagree with jack for a few months and then slowly you'll become

he'll wear me down a little bit so this is one of the things where like, right, I know I should be probably meditating. That's probably something I should be doing. I'm not doing it. So, you should also do what you call it, Vipassana. You know, have you heard about Vipasana? A lot of people are telling me to meditate as well. I'm also been opposed to it for the last five years. But Vipasana is basically, you should do like, you should try it out. It's like a 10-day silence retreat. You just, you go to this ashram in India and you literally do not talk for 10 days. It kills you inside

and there's like 20 people around you and there's a guru there and the whole line and you cannot even write like you cannot think you know internet nothing you're just sitting there and you've all know

Harari do you know you've all know Harari you know Sapiens the book the book Sapiens okay pretend we know nothing you're talking to a brick wall just explain everything no it's just the most popular book

that sold in the last year didn't even know in recent if there's any of recent If there's anything, everybody, if there's anything, if there's anything, told us that was like 20 year old. Yeah, no idea. And if there's anything to get out of this,

read the book Sapiens because it'll fucking change your life. Yeah, including you guys. It's like a brief history of humankind. Anyway, this author who's super, super rich, super popular, super everything, everybody loves him. He's the busiest guy in the world every day. Every year he goes 10 days, the Pasauna and just detox. And if he does it, then you should do it.

I should all do it. I would love to. My housemate Apple did it. I did it. Yeah, you did it. Oh, that's cool. You can't work out. It's literally just meditating the entire time.

That's cool. I would, like, this might sound stupid. Don't you get bored? Probably for sure, yeah. People told me, my friend did it recently. You start crying because you want to speak. You want to express, you start crying. Graham doesn't do that.

Yeah. offend people who do that, but to me, that sounds like a waste of time. Really? Wow. I don't think people nowadays have enough time in solitude. Some could say this podcast is a waste of time. I disagree. To me, it doesn't sound like a waste of time, but like what's, what comes from that?

Like, how do you, how do you emerge from that? You become deeper with who you are. I think that, I think what's happening is that because of technology, the internet and friends and with high, it's like your public persona and your deep core persona are becoming so different. And like there's gram on the internet and there's gram in real life. And I think the whole idea of the person is to bring, understand who you are and bring it closer. I think a lot of it's also just having solitude because nowadays nobody has solitude because you're constantly being stimulated by like conversation. Because you're always texting people.

You get, you know, pinged on your phone. You're always being stimulated by something. But to remove that stimulation finally gives you a chance to just think and see what comes to your brain and not to just reach for your phone whenever you're bored. or something like that. Jack, I agree with that, but why do you need to go not say anything for 10 days?

I just doesn't click for me in my head. Probably 10 days is long and not free to like to break you. Everyone could do a day. Almost everyone could do two days. Yes. 10 days that takes a lot of mental strength. Yeah. That's what I think.

I think the challenge is also fun. Yeah. You know, his suggestion to improve this podcast, have a screen right here. So literally we could just go, the bossing up. Boom.

Oh, this is how it looks like amazing. That's what this is. supposed to be. Oh really? Yeah and we actually were planning that on putting a screen right there but it's behind our guests so we're still figuring out there. Yeah this would be amazing if I could just like Google real quick this sort of is. Yeah. Yeah. The Tarzan, this is how it looks like you know.

Graham, quick question for you. Yeah. Why do you vlog? It doesn't seem like it's like your type? Uh, we're still trying to figure that out to be honest with you. Initially I thought that it would be like I'd want to do van life at some point and I'd want to travel. Van life? Yeah. Wait, you get in a van you go around the world? I would love to be able to do that. There's a lot of followers for that. Yeah. And I think, yeah, so not only would it be different content, but I think we could do something really unique with the podcast, kind of like what Jeff's Barbershop is doing with it, with the thing in the back. We could take this on the road. Yeah. Go around the U.S. I think doing that for like six months to a year would be

so much fun. I thought, well, you know, I'm not going to be able to produce the main channel content in the same quantity by doing that. We'd probably do three episodes a week on the podcast. So the podcast would do quite well. So I thought, well, if I build out a vlog audience, I could vlog the entire process. So that was the goal so that we could do other things and travel, but still maintain that presence and be productive and work. So that was why. I wish you the best of luck.

Thank you so much, man. Really appreciate you coming on. Is there anything else you want to mention? Thank you for spending so much time on this. Andrew. What? Were you saying thank you to the editor for spending? No.

Oh. I thought you're trying to find the name of that. The editor is Alex, right? No. His name is not Alex? No, it's Andrew. That's Alex. The editor is Andrew.

Oh, why would I? I do. Why would you talk to the editor? I don't know. Anyway, moving out. Gosh, keep that in there, Andrew. Please keep that in there. You don't keep it in there.

Andrew, thank you for editing. Jeez. All right. With that said, Andrew, thank you so much. Andrew, the 200,000 viewers. expected. Thank you so much for watching this. I hope it wasn't a waste of your time. I hope you'll learn something. And type in the comment section, where are you in this spectrum? Because it's like really a spectrum on the Graham side and the Jack side or the Nass daily side in terms of like,

you know, just normal stuff, like everything we discussed. Yeah. That would be interesting to see. Let me make the comment interesting, please. The comment section interesting. That would be good. Thank you guys so much for watching. Also make sure to subscribe. We'll link to your information down below in the description as well. And while you're at it, get your free stock. worth all the way to $1,000 when you send them for public. Are you monetizing them? You're monetizing your audience. What?

You're just sucking money out of your audience. And they get a free stock. And you get what? You get what? Technically, they get a free stock. And what do you get? Free stock. You also get a free stock?

Yeah, free stock, so. So if I buy an Apple stock, can you get an Apple stock? How about this one? Oh, Graham, come on. All right. Until next time, guys. He wanted to pull out what free stocks he's got. Go open them up.

Wait till he gets, Wait till he gets one that has a lot of money. And then he's like, see, guys, $35. Doll.