The Iced Coffee Hour - Michelle Khare On Beating Up Andrea Botez | Creator Clash

Episode Date: April 16, 2023

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I'm 5'2 and she's 5'6. I'm getting hit in the face. That didn't go the way I wanted it to be. I have to get back up. Michelle Kare is known for her unbelievable challenges, where she's trained for NASA, the Secret Service, SWAT and FBI Academy, 9-1-1 dispatch, and becoming a chess grandmaster among dozens of others.

But today, she's undertaking her most difficult challenge yet, fighting the chess extraordinaire Andrea Boutez in Creator Clash's boxing event. And today you'll be getting an exclusive behind the scenes. I have never trained harder for any video, any project. I have gotten to when I was a professional athlete. Right after you subscribe. Welcome back to the Ice Coffee Hour. My name is Michelle, and you are watching this.

Hopefully after I win Creator Clash. Ooh. Okay, so what prompted this? This is why we wanted to bring you back on. Talk about the fight. So you're fighting Andrea Botes, right? I am. Yes.

Chess expert, Andrea Botes. Yeah. I thought she's taller. Like, how tall are you? I'm 5'2 and she's 5'6. How is that a fair fight? Well, you know, I don't think there really is any way for any fight to be fully fair, right? You know, like someone is always going to be at an advantage in some capacity.

I have my athletic background. She has the genetic advantage of height and weight. But I've been training my ass off and I've been sparring people who, I guess I can say this now because it's after the fight. Every person I have sparred is at least six inches taller than me and 30 pounds heavier than me. I have not sparred anyone who's actually my hide-in-way. Is that on purpose to prepare? It's got to be. So the one thing I didn't realize.

Also, no one is short enough. Am I did? Like, literally everybody's sorry. You know what? You should have fought Michael Reeves. That would be insane for the video. Don't, don't, I would be the first one of my. You just win.

You just win automatically. Honestly, coming off a win last night, hopefully. Michael, you're next. He would, he would honestly be perfect. He'd be a great sparring partner. I would like honestly like last year for creator crash one I was always joking like I want to fight Graham really oh my god no I wouldn't why not Graham I just wouldn't do it I never want to fight anyone again I respect I'm a one and done that was it that is it but I also think like for what we're doing

it's such a narrow bullseye like I need to find a female influencer with a following who also has like comparable boxing experience and like within the height and weight and weight realm. Like that is such a narrow target to hit. And at some point, I just sort of realized, like, if I really want to do a boxing match in, like, the influencer boxing space, I'm going to have to compromise somewhere. And ideally, I wanted to find someone like 115, 120 with all of those same specs. But, you know, I think, like, life gives you obstacles that just aren't going to be perfect at the right time or the moment that you want them. And to me, when this happened, I was like, this is my opportunity. I just have to do it.

Yeah. And as soon as you saw Creator Class 1, did you know you wanted to participate in the second? Well, I actually wanted, I was actually wanting to participate in the first one, honestly. Like I heard basically, so it was really coincidental because I wanted to do an episode of Challenge accepted where I trained like a professional boxer and, you know, inner a fight because I was like, how hard could it be to get in one of these influence for things? Everybody's doing it. And so I connected with Tony Jeffries, who is an Olympic bronze medalist. He owns a gym here in Los Angeles. And we started training.

And he's like, you know, there's this event coming up in a couple months that I didn't know about. And it wasn't even announced yet at Creteer Clash. And we sort of had this like mini goal of like, maybe if we train, someone will appear and you could get in. It didn't happen. And so like basically from there, like when you don't have an opponent, you can only do so much.

Like, if you don't have an opponent and a confirm by, you're not going to hard spar. You're not going to do two a days. So, like, yes, we were training and training for the hope of something coming through, whether it's creator clash or another promoted event. But it did it. So then at a certain point, I was like, this is a lot of time and money. I got to stop. So after, you know, several weeks of that, I sort of just stopped and moved on because

trying to find an opponent was such an ordeal. Who was a perfect opponent for you? Who? Yeah. Like height and weight? No, like what influencer, celebrity or someone that you picked out? For example, Michael Reeves says he always wanted to fight Gary Vee. That's like his thing.

He wants to take on Gary Vick. Because it would be funny. Exactly. For Graham, it was Michael. Oh, my God. It was, yeah. Hmm. You know, I actually haven't, like, thought in that capacity of, like, who would be

the perfect opponent. I mean, I think there are always people who you want to fight, but aren't they the perfect opponent probably not. Are they worthy of a fight? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I was thinking of more to, from like, who's my hide and Wade and that kind of perspective, because the pool is already so narrow, I think. Bell Delphine. Bell Delphine would be great.

Yeah. Yeah, that would be crazy. That would break the internet. Bell Delphine. That would be nuts. Yeah, I think she's like 5-5, right? I have been no. Yeah, something like that.

Yeah, a little bit taller. Yeah. Yeah, so, I mean, we did that for a last, like, And then Creteer Clash happened. And I was like, I just don't think this is going to happen. So I did you apply or what was that process like the first time? You want to get into it or was it sort of like, you know, it was so close to the event. We're talking like two months out from the event type of situation.

And Ian and Anisa knew Tony because, you know, they did a lot of like press events at the gym I train at. And so I met them. We trained together. And I think it was, it's like a situation. of like this is literally happening in eight weeks. Everybody is confirmed, but maybe next year. So I stopped and then I moved on to do like other things. Like the other videos we had planned like running a marathon in the desert

and training with Secret Service and stuff. So I wasn't like actually doing really any boxing of any kind. And then when the chess boxing event happened in December, I saw Andrea's fight against Dina and I thought it was amazing. I mean, it was the most viewed section of, the entire stream, the women's event. And they went hard, too. It was crazy.

Like, harder than the guys did, I feel. Besides dad, dad just went like, ballistic. But besides that. And of course, you know, a big highlight of last year was Haley versus me. Yes. It's so exciting, amazing to watch. And so after the chess boxing thing, I was like, hmm, we're like not perfect height and weight, but I wonder if she'd be into this.

So I actually called her. Like the week after her fight is when I were talking on the phone, she was coming out of a boxing class. This was like three days after her fight. Okay. She was like, yeah, I just got out of boxing class. I was like, oh my God.

Does that not scare you? The fact that she like just like did boxing and then goes to a boxing class right afterwards. She did her full fight camp. I know. Fought. And then, you know, coming right into CC2, of course that's something I take into consideration.

Yeah. But I mean, it was such an interesting conversation because like at that time, there was an even bigger weight difference between us. Probably like in our original call, I think we were at, it was a pretty big weight difference like 15, 18 pounds. And we didn't have anything confirmed at that point. We were just kind of like, could we potentially work towards being opponents for each other and see what happens? and she had also tweeted at Creator Clash. And I was like, you know, maybe there's space for us in the event this year. It's four months out this time, not two months out.

Let's see what happens. And at that point, it was a no from Creator Clash. It was like, we have too many fights. They're all full. But Andrea and I were hopeful. So we made this like verbal pact. All right. Where we're like, let's just like kind of start training and, you know, we'll be like kind of ready.

Not fight camp, not fight camp, but like, you know, obviously she's going to boxing class two days, you know, a few days after her fight, which is crazy. Yeah. And, you know, I was like, okay, I'll call up Tony. I'll call up some people and see if I can just start going a couple times a week again. And this is me coming out of a, you know, pretty deconditioned state because my wedding was in October. And you know, as you're preparing for yours, like, it is extremely time-consuming. It's stressful, especially like the month prior and then the month after I felt like I was recovering. Like, I had not been exercising at all.

Sure. And even though we're releasing videos of me at Secret Service, whatever, those were filmed way earlier in the year. And so I was like, okay, I'll start going to boxing a couple times a week. and then, you know, when we heard about, I did a thing and his injury was when we were like, oh my God, it's go time. We can, you know, Anisa called us and was like, do you want to do this? And we were both like, holy shit, I guess so. And so it was a special opportunity still last minute.

I mean, we found out about that prior to the public announcement, but like I want to say that our fight camp, like when we officially were like, let's do this, it was probably like eight to ten weeks prior to this event. Wow. Which is still compared to like all the other creator clash athletes. They, you know, some of them found out the night of CC1. Like, hey, you want to do this next year? Start training.

So they've had a year. They've had nine months. And obviously, like she and I have. have unique and bizarre, like, forthcomings with boxing, her with chess boxing in mind with, like, this, like, little thing I did with Tony last year, but not preparing either of us for, like, a real boxing fight. I thought the chess boxing was, like, pretty real, though.

I know, like, taking a break and, like, did she win? I can't remember if she won that one. I think, like, technically on the night they gave it to Dina because she won via chess, but then later, like, two days after they're, like, well, Andrea pretty much won by knockouts. So I think they both technically won. Right. Yeah, I mean, the chess boxing stuff was extremely intense.

However, it's different training, right? Because when you're doing chess boxing, the breaks between each round of boxing are significantly longer because you're playing chess. You know, the table's got to come down from the sky and you sit there. You play the chest. Then you put the head gear back on. It's probably like a good five, six minutes physical rest break. Obviously, your mind is going a million miles an hour.

chest, which I can't do. I'm never going to chest box, Andrea. But that's a different type of training from like going all out for two minutes, one minute rest, then back in, you know, like it is for our FAA. So how has your training been the past eight or so weeks? It has been absolutely insane. I have never trained harder for any video, any project, anything in my life. I mean, this is the closest I have gotten to when I was a professional athlete. The last. level of training and commitment and time. And what does that look like for you? Well, I guess I can share now.

You can share it now, yeah. I mean, for me, when we got the full green light, it immediately was six days a week, two hours a day, if not two a days. Explain two a days for us. Okay, so a two a day means you're going twice a day to work out. So typically that means like early in the morning you go and you do strength and conditioning and then maybe in the afternoon you do boxing or sparring. But the physical benefit, and I'm not a scientist here,

but the physical benefit from my understanding and my background in athletics is that you are training your body to have to recover extremely quickly and go right back into a workout. And it can actually have like even more benefit than doing two hours like back to back, splitting it up. There are certain situations that it makes sense to do that. But it's like putting your body in that state of agitation, more frequently with a with a lesser rest period of you know eight to 10 hours rather than 24 hours

got it and so what do your workouts look like so my workouts are i guess there are four different types of workouts there is you know your classic boxing mitt work like what you see in all the rocky and creed movies then there is cardio so like get on a treadmill run sprints then there's strength and conditioning which is lifting weights um throwing heavy things around pull-ups, push-ups. And then there's also recovery workouts, which is like, what is our recovery workout? That's like spending an hour, like doing stretching, foam rolling, visualization has been a huge component of this for me.

Like, literally I'll spend 30 minutes listening in my headphones, full-on crowd, like sound effects. Really? Lasting with a blindfold on. and then I visualize this is what it's going to feel like when they say, hey, you're next. Want to go electric without sacrificing fun? That's the Volkswagen ID4.

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I don't like that. I don't like that. And then also visualizing like I'm getting hit in the face. That didn't go the way I wanted to be. I have to get back up. You know, like you visualize the good and the bad moments. And like that's something I didn't really do as much in my competitive athletic background as a cyclist. But for this, it's so much, it's everything, I feel. Graham says that when he entered the ring, like all of the stuff that he trained for, all of the stuff he studied and prepared for, just completely left his mind as soon as

he walked in the right. Yep. So part of me feels like you can spend all this time visualizing and stuff. All of that stuff helps. but most importantly, Jack, is, you know, the boxing part. No, I didn't do any of the mental stuff. I was just, like, block it out. Wow.

Did not want to confront that. Does it almost feel like a blur? Sometimes. Or like a blackout in a way? Kind of. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I would say that the crowd and the adrenaline are two things that you can try to get

close to. I mean, like, for example, I guess I can say this now, when I'm sparring, they, on the, on, like, the overhead speaker system blast crowd sound effects extremely loud. Wow. Our coach in the corner is screaming at the top of his lungs to try and communicate. Try this, try this. Oh my gosh. To try and simulate that.

But also, like, I know I'm in the safety of the gym. You know what I mean? Like, it's not the same as like you're walking out and you see people cheering for you. See some people booing for you? Like those sounds of like hearing someone else's name cheered when you're getting your ass kick. Like you can. You can't replicate that. Yeah.

I don't want to say it was tough for me, but definitely I think the crowd favored Michael by like, because it's Michael. Like I would be rooting for Michael. But it's when like you get that punch and everyone's like, whoa, the Michael, like it's tough to overcome that too, like mentally.

Because you don't like you kind of hear it and it seeps into your mind. You don't really focus on it, but it's there. Yeah. For sure. And I'm prepared for that too. I mean, And Andrea's audience is huge.

It's a streaming audience. They're extremely engaged. I'm sure she has plenty of friends, social media people who are coming to support her as well. Yeah. Yeah, it's going to be tough. And I would say at this point, like I am extremely confident in the physical ability, the training, the conditioning, all of that. But that one variable, I think will be the unexpected for everybody that night.

What's it like for you to spar? Sparring? Yeah. How many times do you spar? Like, what's that process like? Like, Walk is through the beginning to, like, the most recent. I guess if I had to count. I'm sparring three times a week.

Wow. Times eight, ten weeks? No way. 30 times? I don't even know. That's a lot. Yeah. Michael sparred like 12.

Yeah. And I was like four. Wow. Oh, my God. That's bad. Yeah, I mean, that's really, that's really impressive for having only four times sparred to get in there and do that. Yeah. I don't know.

I don't know about that. But I think people this time are taking it way seriously, way more seriously, because the first time we had no idea what to expect and we're like, it might be a bit of a, whatever. But this time I think people are looking back and seeing how seriously they took it.

And like, I got it. One up that now. Absolutely. I mean, the first time I sparred, and this is covered in the video that I'll be releasing, I had a panic attack fully. Like getting hit in the face and like,

you forget everything. I don't think people get that like the, when you're working on the mitts, translating that across the bridge to sparring is a journey in and of itself. Like you could literally train the same thing on myths as maybe you experienced a billion times and then to apply it and sparring can take weeks.

You know, it's like when you're in there under the pressure of like, I'm not just like hitting clean mitts with my trainer because now there's someone else's arms in my face and my eyes and coming back at me at the same time. Like so many other variables when you're not in a controlled environment

and working through that. But, you know, I feel fortunate that that happened to me pretty early on and I adjusted and worked through it. So now sparring, I feel at this point, is more like it's an extremely intense workout and nothing compares to it. But I don't have the like fear in that capacity. really.

Have you gotten hurt? I don't know. I start laughing at them. Yeah, again, I'm not going to share any of this before the fight because, yeah, it's been strong. I'm perfect. It's not been perfect in any capacity. I have, throughout the past 10 weeks, I, everyone in our office had this crazy

flu. So I was sick for a week. I have, a few years ago, I was in a. a car accident. So I have this recurring neck, like nerve pinch thing where like I get steering pain all down my spine. Oh, geez. It's fine. But that happened to me during one of the sparrings. It really activated that. I didn't post any of that. This is the reality of this. What are we posting? Me and Andrea are like at the gym. Like everything's going awesome. That's what you're posting and that's not fully the reality. So I had to go to PT for that.

I rolled my ankle sparring. I mean, it's crazy. But that's part of it. You know? It's part of it. And then also playing the poker face of nothing's wrong. Yeah. I'm fine.

Yeah, that was a big one for me. Every time I was tired, he was like, no, you're not going to do that. You're going to be like getting up and like doing the jumps a little bit. Yeah. Like you can't mentally just sit down

or put your arms on the ropes because then it's like, it's going to make you more tired. The day that I rolled my ankle, it was like round two of sparring. and I think we had six rounds that day. They're like, you keep going. Because if this happens in the fight,

you need to work through that, and I finish the whole thing. And then I went home. Couldn't that just make it worse, though? Like, that might prevent you from, like, sparring the next day? Correct. But I feel like I'm so, like,

at this point, athletically in tuned with my body, I would have known. But, like, I was like, I can do this. Yeah. But, I mean, the recovery part is a whole thing. Like, I sit in an ice bath every single day. I sit in a sauna, hot tap.

Like, it's, it's a little. full thing. Yeah. I mean, I really want to win. So this is like a full-time job almost. Because this is like two hours of exercising, probably another hour of like visualization, baths, whatever. So it's like, and maybe

an hour we're getting ready for it. So that's like four hours a day. It's a lot. And then the drive to and from the gym. And then when you get back, you got a shower. It's extremely time-consuming. And so I feel really fortunate because we just hired a head of operations for our channel. So that allowed me to

like give a lot of responsibility to him. Like I literally could not do this without that hire. And we also hired a second editor. So like we had a team meeting at the beginning of all of this, basically saying like this is what Michelle's life is going to be like for the next eight weeks. And this is how we as a team are going to adapt to it and support and what responsibility is still our mind versus not. And that was extremely helpful. That's cool.

Yeah. What's something that happened that was unexpected in your experience of boxing so far in like the eight weeks and fighting random people and putting your body through this? I guess. And I'm not just saying this because like this is coming out the day after. We'll see what happens. It's interesting to me because at the beginning of all of this, I was I was transparently extremely concerned about the height and weight difference. I mean, I've had to gain muscle and she's had to come down.

and that is a variable that I don't have control over. And so when we set out to do this and like, you're only going to be sparring people that are at least six inches taller than you, Andrew is four inches taller and they have a longer reach. They're going to be at least 30, 40 pounds heavier than you. That was really hard. It's really hard because like with that difference, you are fighting uphill constantly.

You can have perfect form and miss every time just because of the difference in the reach. Yeah. You have to have even better cardio because you're really, running around the ring more. You have to have way better head movement when you are a smaller, shorter fighter. And so that was a really big hurdle for me to overcome. But at this point, I feel really confident with it, only because I don't know what it's actually like to spar somebody my actual height and weight. Look at Mayweather and Logan Paul, though. When they fought, I mean, you saw a huge size difference. Like it was massive. That was what, like 10 inches and like 30,

40 pounds. Yeah, it was nuts. But Mayweather was like, I believe he was kind of holding back. Yeah, it was kind of almost like holding back a little bit. I heard though that I think Michael called it the turtle where you would crouch down and make yourself lower. You have the advantage of being lower to the ground. It's harder to hit. Yeah, I hope so. If she's crouching down, she's more like eye level to you. Yeah. If you're crouching down, she's got to punch down. Exactly. It's harder to do. I mean, we've done a lot of work like getting on the inside, body work coming off on an angle. That's like a lot of what I've been training.

You'd have an advantage to like get down underneath and then do an upper cut. She couldn't, she couldn't do that. It's all you got to do. Get down, do the crouch, turtle, boom, come on up. Duck and shoot between her legs. That's going to be my strategy. That would be funny. So let's hear some predictions.

Predictions. How do you think this is going to go? Yeah. I'm pretty confident. I'm going to win. You're pretty confident. Yeah, I think so. Based off of just my interest.

intuition, I think it's going to be not even close. I think you're going to win. Oh, well, thank you. You're welcome. I think by a long shot. I mean, I could very much be eating my words. This comes up. We're very welcome. You guys are going to make a viral TikTok of me saying, I'm really confident I'm going to win. It's going to a hard cut to like just a big thing. Yeah. I mean,

yeah, honestly, at this point, I think the nerves of the crowd and the events leading up to Saturday are really the one variable. I'm most concerned for. Do you meditate? Yeah, I mean, the visualization for me is meditative. But I probably should like download the call map or something. I think you absolutely should.

Yeah. But what's really cool is like I feel that when I was actually like assigned pro athlete, I did not have any of the resources that we have now when I am a content creator. Like being able to hand things off to other people. I mean, as a female athlete, you don't, you're not paid like that. You don't have the ability to, to do that because you're just like, the difference in pay is so vast between male and female athletes that like now I feel like I'm actually getting to experience what it's like to be not a pro athlete, but like I get some of those luxuries by being a content creator. We all do. I mean, pretty much everyone who's in Creator Clash,

we have a huge privilege of having people to support us. And we have like this really bizarrely warm and welcoming environment with Creator Clash, which I have never experienced in any other athletic community. It's amazing. We're like, we're all in a chat and everybody's like, you guys look great at training. How's it going? The Discord group.

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And so it really feels like an amazing opportunity. And honestly, no matter what happens, like, I am extremely proud of what, I'm extremely proud of, first of all, of Andrea being willing to do this with me so that there is another women's fight on this card, period. And I want more people to feel inspired to take on challenges, whether it is against, you know, me versus Andrea, I'm going up against an opponent genetically. advantaged over me. I want people to hopefully take away from that. Maybe I can attack this thing that I have been scared to do before, or maybe people see someone like me or Andrew, a chess player going in to do this. I just hope that we can, you know, follow in the immense footsteps of people like Amida Serrano and Katie Taylor, who have really paved a lot of way for for women's athletics.

And even though this is a charity boxing event, just like being there and being willing to do this, I mean, I really got to give it to Andrea, too, that like both of us agreeing to do this on such short notice is a crazy thing. And I hope that regardless of the outcome, the fight, that the outcome of the event is one that is extremely positive and inspiring.

What's the scariest part about it for you? Oh, oh my God. I mean, Andrea's hands. This fists. I think the scariest, I think like my biggest fear is going in there and then feeling like I didn't give it my all in the end. Or I let the crowd get to me. Or I saw, you know, her team in the corner. I heard them saying things like, Michelle's tired.

Go, go, go. You know, like if I let those things get to me, to me, that is going to be the biggest failure. Not like the winner of the loss, whatever. The biggest failure is to like leave that ring and feel like, shit. I could have. have tried harder in that moment. What's interesting to me is I draw the parallels between, obviously, your YouTube series, the challenge accepted where you go do all of these crazy things all of the time,

and then your ability to hop into the ring at such short notice. What do you think it is within you that gives you the courage or bravery or confidence it may be to go and do all of these things? I think it's actually, excuse me, I think it's like a learned skill set of how to approach an obstacle in such a short amount of time. Because for me, like having done so many of these challenges, like I know day one, I'm going to feel this. Week three, I'm probably going to feel this. When I start self-doubting, okay, I know this is part of the process.

Whereas like other people doing creator clash, I feel like those might be newer experiences. But in the same way, you guys can sit down and do a podcast effortlessly or like Graham can like pick a stock and then make a million dollars in a day or whatever. No, hardly. You know what I mean? You can pick a stock and lose a million dollars. Like those are learned skill sets and for me I think my competitive advantage is just like the skill set of putting myself in an uncomfortable situation and knowing all those like random cues are part of the process. So is challenge accepted becoming less challenging for you? No.

I'm about to get in a ring with Andrea Botesque. That's fucking scary. Okay. But how do you top that? Like you can't just keep going down this rabbit hole. All these uncomfortable physical activities that you're putting yourself through. Like you said, it's a learned. skill. And once the muscle gets so strong, any new challenge physical activity, mental activity,

something like that could maybe become a little bit easier, right? To a certain extent. I think approaching the next one becomes easier, but the process is still extremely hard. I mean, it could, I guess what you mean about like what does this mean for future episodes? How do you, where do you go from here? And to me, it means delving into parts of myself that are less comfortable to explore, such as mental challenges. Like when I did, ironically, my chest challenge accepted, that was actually the hardest one I think I've ever done. I honestly think that was harder than boxing.

And I think it just offers opportunities for us to explore other types of challenges that exist in the world all around us. And what about diet for you? Oh, diet. Oh, my God. Diet has been a huge part of this. I know both for me and Andrea, because Andrea's coming down and weight. I'm having to, you know, make weight at a certain point by gaining.

So, yeah, we have, like, a private chef that delivers meals every three days. And they're all, like, calorie macro carb counted. And I just eat it and go to sleep. Really? Yeah. How much is that chef? That chef is probably $300 a week. It's pretty expensive.

It's not as bad as I thought. I thought it was going to be way more expensive. Yeah, when you account for the level of training that you're doing and the importance of that, yeah. I mean, it's amazing. Highly recommend. Her name's chef Bernardi. That's not bad. I mean, if you consider that you're not like.

Actually, wait, hold on. I was accounting for both myself and Garrett. Oh, I guess it's like 150, 175 a week. That's not bad. That's not bad at all. If you're not going out to eat, like no dinners and stuff like that, it's not bad. I compared it to like if I got every meal on, Postmates, well, lunch and dinner on postmates, it's cheaper than that and healthy.

And I don't have to think or like, like, for example, when I was assigned athlete, I was sitting there, like, cooking all my meals and, like, putting stuff on a scale, measuring. Yeah. To have that mental load off is so great. Really? Yeah. I want to try that. Yeah.

You want to try a chef? No, it's just that sort of meal plan. Yeah. Because for me, besides all you can eat sushi, I don't care about food. I just kind of eat to feel like, to feel like, to feel like. To feel kind of hungry. I feel like most things are utility. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I would agree with it. But, like, if I could just be like, this is just all I eat, these are the times, and I just do it without thinking about it, I wouldn't mind it. The not having to think, it's everything. Yeah. Not having to cook. Yeah. I want to get down to, like, under 10% body fat.

Like, that is my goal. That's crazy. Abs. Abs. Six-pack. Have you had abs before? Once. Really?

Yeah, once. Yeah, once. A photo we can throw over the skin right now? Oh, gosh. I'm sure. I'm sure. Like a mirror selfie. Oh, man.

I'm sure I'm sure I could find it somewhere. Yeah. But that was, I must have been like 25. 25. I was 25. So it was in like the best shape of my life. But that's when I was doing nothing but work in gym. And that was it?

Was that pre- YouTube? The pre-Utube. Okay. But I was spending an hour to an hour and a half a day in the gym while also eating really, really, really healthy. Like I took it so seriously. I cut out carbs. Like carbs for me were a big one. The only carbs I'd have is oatmeal.

before a workout. Oatmeal and honey. And then everything else was just like chicken. So you were also really into nutrition? At that point, yes. How are you eating your chicken? Where are you getting it from? I was about to say Trader Joe's.

It wouldn't be that. Ralph's? Ralph's, you're just, were you baking it? What were you doing? No, I think it's like the, I think it's like the pre-packaged chicken. Pre-packaged chicken.

Yeah, and then lots of eggs too. What do you do currently for food? Do you order? Macy cooks for me. No, she cooks maybe two to three times a week. The other times, Chipotle, sushi, herbs and rye. Herbs and rye. I mean, we're going out to eat way more often.

Because if we're home all day, it's just like, you want to get out of the house. It's like the one thing we could do every day together that I'm looking forward to after finishing work and like getting out of the house. So it's just, I like all you can eat sushi. That's for me the biggest footage. It's a hard thing to turn off of all you can eat sushi. Yeah. For $30. Such a good deal.

Shout out sushi neko. Sushi Neko or Ken Goku is the other one, but it's smaller. This is in Vegas. $30 all you can eat. Oh yeah. Well, our treats, $30 all you can eat. I have a question. So do you think during someone's life at some point they should get a six pack?

Because I heard this quote. Now, now, I heard Andrew Tate say it of all people and I'm not ever one to, I'm not ever want to quote you. Are you evoking that name right now? I am not ever one to quote. You should try saying his name in the mirror three times. Because I don't know if I necessarily agree nor disagree with this. But someone reached out to him and they were like sad or something.

I saw it when I had TikTok three months ago. You deleted TikTok. Yeah. Deleted TikTok? I deleted TikTok. I love it. You deleted TikTok? I did.

Weeks ago, man. Even though you guys post on there. Weeks ago. Yeah. Yeah. Shout it to Josh. Thank you, Josh. Instagram too is good to get rid of.

Yeah. If you can manage, you know. No, I do a lot of networking on Instagram. Yeah, I do too. Okay, anyways, he said something like, someone reached out. They were sad and they were like, what do I do to fix my sadness or whatever? And he's like, get a six-pack, then come back to me. Oh, it's depression.

So you know what I'm talking about. I do. I kind of agree with it. You agree that if someone is sad, that they should get to the point of getting a six-pack, and then their sadness has not yet been fixed, or at least not fixed, but, like, improved to some capacity, then you think... Here's what I think, and I'll let you share this. I think, unless you have, like, a, strong... strong chemical imbalance, in which case, whatever you do is not going to fix it. Like, going to the

gym could only make such a big difference. I feel like a lot of people, not everybody. I think there are certainly cases where it's warranted for medication. But I think in a lot of cases, people are down, they're just not motivated. I think going to the gym, getting that six-pack, gives them one focus, that all they have to do is do that one thing, and having a goal that they hit is going to give them so much momentum to hit the next one and the next one. Then you get that upward success, like a success spiral. So I think that helps. So I'm glad that I don't sound crazy because I actually kind of agree with that to a certain amount as well because I was not taking care of my body at all. And I was in like one of the worst mental places of my entire life.

Like I'm not working out. I'm not feeling good in my own skin. And then all of a sudden I start taking care of my nutrition and I start working out. And all of those sadness and ailments and whatever, like they start not disappearing, but definitely becoming smaller and smaller to the point where like they're not even a big problem anymore. So it's kind of interesting. Like you take care of yourself, you know, you get a little bit of a six pack. I don't have a six pack at all. But I feel good in my own skin, because I'm working out. We know, Jack. We know. And it kind of, like, it kind of helped it.

Absolutely. I mean, we, the longest relationship you have is with your body. So if you're not, it's like a car. If you're, if you're not going to wash it or put the right gasoline in it, it's not going to function properly. If you don't get a tune up every now and then, I definitely think, like, whatever, I, I, I'm not going to agree with Andrew Tate on anything. But, like, you know, I understand.

the perspective of if you're, if you're feeling mentally down, maybe taking care of the physical could help in that capacity for sure. And it's interesting because it's not only just like feeling down, but also like motivation, feeling like other random, obviously positive emotions. Like I was not feeling motivated at all. And I was trying so hard to force motivation on myself, but I couldn't feel motivated. But as soon as I fixed my like sleeping habits, my diet and my physical exercise problem, then all of a sudden motivation was easy to find. It's like you can't necessarily attack all of these other, like, non-tangible things, such as being motivated or inspired in life or excited, right, and happy all the time. You can't chase those things. I think you have to chase

the root problem, which could sometimes be nutrition diet and, like, water intake and exercise. And it also, like, releases chemicals in your brain that make you feel better and, you know, adrenaline, serotonin, all of those things are really good for your mental health, too. Yeah, I've always found that I have more energy when I work out. Yeah, not last. I really, I feel like I was worried when I did this, you know, training for creator clash that a lot of business stuff would get put on the back burner. And ironically, like literally like 30 things that we've been waiting on for a long time

have just come through the pipeline. Because when I get home from training, I'm like, bam, bam, bam, I'm in the headspace of let's go. And it's, it's really interesting once you like turn up the heat in one area of your life, how everything else sort of rises to that too. I agree. When I had the most energy I've ever had in my entire life and motivation, well, not motivation, but probably energy was when I was running cross-country competitively in high school. And I was running like 12 miles at 9 a.m. on a Saturday. And then obviously it'd be tired from like, you know, 11 after the run till one. But then after one, I'd have so much energy throughout the rest of the day. It's interesting. What does your husband think of all of this? I was like, I don't know if I should do this. And he's like, let's go. We're going to be amazing.

He's extremely supportive. But then, you know, a couple weeks in, I was like, you got to, like, how do you actually feel about this? He's like, obviously, I'm really freaking nervous for you, but I can't, I'm not going to say that. You need to be in the headspace of let's go. But he is the, oh my God, most supportive partner, creative collaborator, business partner of all time.

my name. He's the one I'm like, I get home. I'm like, okay, it's new and I need to get on my computer. He's like, you need to go lie down for a half hour. Go. And it's really amazing. But he is so excited. He's going to be there. He's going to be ringside. Oh, he's ringside. Yeah. Because our production team is coming. Oh, got it. Okay. So he'll be with them. Like, wherever the cameras are allowed. Got it. Not in the corner. Okay. He's got to be freaking out internally, though. Probably. Yeah. And he's putting on a good mask. She's like, I, you know what, I'm good. I was watching Macy because I was sitting right next to her in the first Creator Clash.

And she was like a chihuahua. You know how they like shake uncontrollably? That's literally how she was. I know. I would pat her on the back. I would feel the same way. It's always crazy. They're not going to do this at Creator Clash, but like in pro fights when they cut to the families of the fighters.

It's crazy. Yeah. I'd be a mess. Mentally, yeah. I'd be so worried. Jeez. Yeah. It's just like, because you never, like, I always go for like that worst case scenario.

God forbid, like any, if anything happens, it's like I would just feel so bad and like, I just nervous. And like, I get, I just get anxious for things like that. Like anything that involves like getting hurt or punch, like, even for me, I was like, I don't want to get like any sort of damage at all. It's not worth it. Yeah. And I felt like honestly it was a blessing in disguise that first creator classroom workout because I was, you know, six months before my wedding. And one of the reasons why, even when I didn't have an opponent, we weren't going like full speed because Tony was like, if you don't get a fight, it's not worth it. And your wedding is this year.

That makes sense. Black eye for the wedding. You want to have a good looking nose for the wedding pictures. Yeah. What was that like getting married? You got a week to plan for the whole thing. Yeah. So, I mean, the wedding stuff was amazing.

It was such a special experience. I'm so excited for you. And I feel like a lot of people approach what like content creators approach weddings. Like let's do 28 vlogs on the process and, you know, really get what we can out of it. And I was sort of like, I feel like everybody's done vlogs and whatnot. And so I wanted to do something that would actually like, if we're going to film it, let's elevate the process. So I had this crazy idea like, what if we just plan the entire thing? one week, like clear our schedules, forget this whole, like, after work we're on the phone

trying to figure things out when we're tired, like, just take a week and plan the whole thing. We lined up all the vendors, and it was literally the best thing ever. Highly recommend to anybody getting married because Monday to Friday, it was done. And then the rest of the engagement, we were just like, chilling. It was so great. Every decision was done. we knew exactly the budget for everything. Like we went right from picking the florals

to picking the centerpieces so it was all fresh in our heads. And it was awesome. But how far in advance did that week occur? The week occurred and then when did you get married relative to that? We filmed that, I want to say, in February or March of last year

and then we got married in October. So we had been engaged, we got engaged right before the pandemic. And throughout the pandemic, we couldn't really do anything. And so we were waiting. waiting like for things to be, I guess, like available to us to do. Now, I'm just curious because obviously I'm totally ignorant to, you know, throwing a wedding.

I don't want to be that guy, but I'm just curious. I see that look. I mean, exactly where this is at it. Because here's the thing. You pick a spot. You get a nice picnic area. Yeah. You call your friend that maybe is a part of a band or something like that.

They come along. Tell them some songs to play. You get a DJ, find one on Craigslist. You get a florist. I don't know. You get a florist. Somebody that can supply flowers. You call your local taco truck.

They come if you want to serve tacos. If you don't, totally fine. I'm serving tacos. And then that's like, and then you send out the invitations. How could it be a Monday through Friday process? Like, what do those hours look like? Like, our vendors reject you? Oh, like, why does it take five days?

Yeah. Yes, absolutely. If you're doing everything, if you're like, let's just say like you guys sit down to make your wedding website for your guests. There's a website? Yeah. You need a website for people to RSVP to and to collect their meal preferences and the registry for people to buy you gifts if you want that.

And you need to have like, hear all the hotels and the recommendations and for all the people who are, you know, spending money to fly out to wherever, um, collecting all that. Just making the website, that's like a four hour process of going on, you know, the knot or whatever entering manually every single person's name address email phone number dietary restrictions doing all like that's four hours then you know driving somewhere in l.A. to meet with a florist that's two hours just to pick the flowers oh you're like meeting them well to film it for sure oh sure and we go you go to the flower shop and you're like I like this tulip and I like that like that driving all over the city going to the place where you rent chairs sitting

in all the chairs, picking the chairs. It's time consuming. Wow. Okay, so you're sitting in the chairs. You know, it's like when people talk about wedding details, this is why people get stressed out. God. I wanted to create an environment like, let's just only focus on this and get it done.

That makes sense. I think just as a person, I'm a lot less like, like, I don't have taste, you know? So I just, I'd say to the, and then no other way to say it, but I'd call the florist and be like, okay, pick out the flowers good for a wedding. Call the chair people. Really? Pick out chairs that are good for the wedding. Well, it's interesting.

very guy, this is a very guy thing to say. If you do that, they're going to be like, well, what do you want? They're going to ask you questions. Let's go for comfy yet funky. You just, you should just give them a budget. It's like, hey, I want to spend X amount. Just give me whatever this will buy. Okay. But then the colors. Okay. So like let's say they pick the flowers. I would just say everything's white. Okay, everything's white. Yeah. Then you have to communicate to all the groomsmen, all the bridesmaids. Your, you know, the wife, like your outfit is impacted by that. If you care about those things, you don't have to. You don't have to. You don't have to. I personally would. You don't have to. I feel like my wife probably would, you know? So I'd leave that up. But this is my lot of women here, I think, a lot of the weight of that. I think women grow up and they had this vision of like having this wedding and they think

about it since they're a kid and they want to live up to that. That was the opposite of me. Really? I could not care less. I was like, I just, you know, marriage, what is it? I don't know. Like I just, I was, I've always been so career focused. that I just don't care.

And I was like, what is the point? It's so much money. It's so much time. And everyone gets dressed out and it seems really stupid. And ironically, Garrett was like, this is going to be such a special opportunity for us.

Let's have fun. And sure, we'll make some videos about it and see if that helps cover the cost of it and everything. So how much did the wedding cost? I'm not going to tell you how much it costs, but I can tell you,

let's say it costs one gold coin, via the content we created, we not only paid for that one gold coin, but made two more gold coins. Wow. So you paid for it three times over. Yeah. It was,

that's smart. Is that through sponsors or discounts on the wedding? Both. Okay. Hmm. Okay, so Graham has this idea. Okay, he wants to sell tickets to his wedding. What?

To like a viewer or somebody who wants to return the wedding. Oh, I thought even to your face. family. It's like, dude, no. They're already flying out. Just like two viewers. So he wants to have like a viewer's table or something like that. I personally don't like the idea, but that's

up of them. It's going to be, the wedding cost got to be like 30 grand, 35K, something like that, all in for everything. That's your budget. Is what you're saying. Oh, gosh, the budget initially was like, I want to do this for like 15. But very quickly we realized you can't do that. In California. My thought,

I can't make a profit from a wedding doing like sponsors or selling tickets to it. I couldn't do that. If I were making videos about it with a sponsor in the video, I could do it, but not like the wedding itself. I just wouldn't feel right about monetizing that. And you can negotiate that like this is my wedding video.

It's going to be three times the cost of what it normally is. If you want it, if you want to be in my wedding video, I don't want to monetize it though. It's something for me that it's not like an interest to like film it and have to think about like making a video on it. Absolutely. And that's why, like, we sponsored the, and monetized two of the videos, but, like, the actual video of the wedding is, like, there's copyrighted music.

Like, we were like, this is our thing, you know. But my idea with tickets was to sell, like, really expensive tickets, but just make that go towards charity. So it's like, if it's, like, 10K a ticket or something like that. Because what we want to do instead of gifts is, is have everybody donate to an animal shelter. Or, like, adopt an animal or something like that. That's amazing. Yeah. It would be weird if it's like, hey, guys, I want pop.

and bands and like there's nothing it's just caught her at that point I'm right there with you like we we don't I don't know what we you know we're I think you know all of us at this table are extremely privileged to be in a different position than I think many people getting married are so yeah I love that idea but it might be different if I could make a video about the wedding and then write it off as a business expense because because then I could be like well this is a production for YouTube, the channel. I will say that is definitely a strategy. You know,

yeah, because we could have like a wedding wedding, you know, the marriage itself, but then like, hey, this, this is an event that we are hosting for a YouTube video. Everyone agrees to be on the YouTube video.

Yeah, that's smart. Yeah. And then you, like, don't have to pay some videographer to make a wedding video. You just have Alex do it. You know, Alex, we need to post this. Imagine Alex.

The 3.30 deadline. We need to book. Man, I hate this. Video review process. I hate this thumbnail. The thumbnail should be like, basically running away from the wedding. And you like left at the altar.

It went horribly wrong. Would you wear like a hat that just says public on it? While you came there, flip it backwards when you're going for the kiss? No. No, you wouldn't do it. I mean, people do that. We didn't do anything.

People do that? I mean, people have like elements of their weddings sponsored. For us, like we were like, no brand is going to touch. the show. It's about the wedding. Yeah. But like, sure,

if you want to pay premium for a mid-roll in this like wedding planning video, it makes sense. Right before the kiss occurs. No. That's pronounced you husband and wife. It's so bad. Imagine this. I now pronounce you

husband and wife right after we announced today's sponsor. I bet somebody has done that. What is it? Raid Shadow Legends. Raid Shadow Legends. You know, every happy marriage. is, you know, your guys are playing Raid Shadow Legends. I mean, listen, you got to make your penny somewhere, and I don't knock anybody that does that.

Not my personal way of approaching it, but... No, I'm probably more on your side. Yeah. There's a lot of options there. We got a year, you know, so... Yeah, strategy. Hmm. Lots, lots to think about.

You said you hired a head of operations. Yes. So what exactly does that position look like? Yeah, so, I mean, hiring the head of operations was like a huge... process and decision for us, but it was actually inspired by yes theory. So yes theory, I just think that the way they have run their company and organization is really admirable and something that I feel like we as creators occupy this unique space where yes, we're talent, but we're also business owners and running like a production company or a commercial company in a way.

And so when you are represented by like a traditional capacity where someone's taking a percentage of something to help you grow your career, at a certain point, that number exceeds the cost of a full-time employee. And we were sort of at this like crossroads where it's like, we want challenge accepted to develop into its own brand, clothing, actware, and operate more like a production company. And so a head of operations for us was like a really exciting hire-in. We actually, you know, someone that we know worked for Lorne Michaels who created SNL. Created SNL? Yeah, and like all of the ancillary films from SNL properties. So he worked at his production company and we somehow convinced him to join our team as our head of ops, which was a crazy process, by the way.

But basically what HVOPs does is like oversee the operational aspect of the business. So like there's like a whole sheet of responsibilities he has, but they range from like scheduling our weekly meetings, making sure videos get out the door, one-on-ones with all of our employees, anything like. It's like editing oversight as well? Not in a creative capacity, but in like a let's sit down with the editors and develop. up like schedules for everything. So he like previously it was me sort of running and overseeing making sure everybody was hitting their mark and now it's him. And he's also, I'll be like, hey, can you reach out to this brand to do this thing or let's, you know, rather than always going through like a traditional ad agency type thing. We have an internal person who's thinking

about that 24-7. You haven't and this guy will manage them or whatever or. Yeah, he like oversees all of our brand deals. Like any client interaction is through him, which is really nice. Huh. So what kind of crazy challenges do you have coming up in the future? Do you have any idea? What do we have coming up? Let me think.

So boxing, and then after boxing, I think I told you guys about the Butler Academy last time. You did. It's finally coming out. I can't wait for that one. That's been a long time in the making. Because the Graham's going to hire one of them. I would just be like churning these videos out. I know.

Well, I mean. That's too long to wait for Butler Academy. It transparently is. It is. Jack, you should take that. Butler Academy. It would help you out a lot, man. Yeah, I mean, part of the struggle for us was like hiring.

Hiring was an incredibly long and arduous process, and now I feel like, okay, we've got two full-time long forums. We have Olivia doing short-form, Nick, Head of Ops. It's new era is about to happen, which is really exciting. And then after that we have, I went to CSI Academy, so I solved a crime scene. Did you, like a real crime scene? You're like, What?

When you say solve a crime scene, I'm like, it could be a real crime scene, Jack. I think we asked if we could do, like, when we were filming, we're like, oh, if, if something happens tonight, can we, like, go with you guys and film that?

Like, absolutely not. Obviously, we would, just, you know, for the sake of the victims and the families and everything, it doesn't make any sense. But, so we did the mock crime scene, and then one of our friends went to Juilliard, and he is,

like extremely good actor. He was actually on Dexter as like the new season. Are you guys familiar with Dexter? I've seen the new season, but I've not seen the new season. I love the show. But you know how Dexter like finds criminals and kills them himself? He is like one of the people and it has like an arc as a villain and gets stabbed by Dexter. Can you share who it is?

Yeah, his name is Stephen Robertson. He's extremely talented. So we called him and were like, would you like be our best? bad guy. So the last part of the video is me, like, with a detective partner interrogating him in character. It's crazy. And we sat there for two hours because, you know, like, there was a coach there who, like,

briefed him and they're like, this is your character. And this is, like, only give them info when they really push you in this way. So it's a challenge for me. And also, like, you know, he's acting his ass off. Being a crazy person in the chair is awesome. That's really cool. Yeah. You should do LAPD for a day.

I did, STPD, is one of our, one of our videos. But Police Academy is crazy. Absolutely crazy. How does that compare to boxing? I would say that when I went to Police Academy, I was tased and pepper sprayed. And I would never do either of those again. I would rather, I would rather fight somebody. Let me say this.

What was worse? Getting pepper sprayed or tasered? Pepper sprayed. by a million miles. Because when you get pepper sprayed, I hope no one watching this has ever experienced this, it lasts for 48 hours. 48 hours?

They don't tell you this. You think, oh, you just get pepper sprayed and then like wipe it and then it's gone. It activates in your eyes and then you start crying. Then it's in your tears and it burns your skin and goes down like your whole face. And then that lasts, I want to say, an hour, like searing pain.

Really? And then it starts to subside, but then when you shower, it reactivates in water. How? And then when you're showering, it goes down your body and burns a lot of other places further down your body. Yeah. I'm like, I see them just like drinking milk or pouring like milk on their face. Does that work at all or no?

I'm sure milk helps. I was not given milk when I went to. the police academy and it was it's crazy is there nothing that neutralizes that i feel like there's probably milk but again they didn't they didn't have a how come no one's invented something that neutralizes that like you get pepper sprayed sure but there should be like like a serum or something that's like spray it on top of it and it's just like that that's probably i i wish i had that whatever it is i'm just curious because like how were there no long-term ramifications of like a searing pain on your eyeballs i feel like that's just not what human bodies were made

I'm sure people have had, you know, long-term effects from this stuff. I didn't, but it was long. I thought it was going to be like a five-minute ordeal, 48 hours. And I was like literally like crying in the shower. I was like, oh my God, it just won't stop. It's so bad. But getting tased is actually way better because when you're tased at police academy, it only lasts like five seconds.

What does it feel like to be tased? It feels like you are being electrocuted and writing a jackhammer at the same time, like on a construction site. Your whole body is violently shaking and all of your muscles are cramping. Does it hurt it all for those little prongs that go in your body? So for mine, I didn't actually get shot. They clipped it onto me. That's much much back before. Under your skin?

Yeah. No, onto my clothes. Okay. Yeah. But then the current goes between the two prompts. Right. So everything in between, I think it was like my shoulder and my calf. Yeah. Like literally, I'm like, it's, it's, it's, it's, um, extremely violent sensation.

Right. But the immediate pain of when you're actually being tased is more intense than the most intense part of pepper spray. But the pepper spray is a problem because it lasts longer. Hmm. Yeah, pepper spray is a problem because it lasts longer. If pepper spray only lasted 10 seconds, like what I experienced when I was voluntarily tased,

I guess I would have done that instead. But getting tased in that moment is extremely scary. Your mind probably just goes blank. Yeah. Yeah, like you hear them count down and then it just throws you back and you're just shaking and all your muscles are cramping and it's like extremely painful,

but when they stop, you fall to the ground. And obviously, like, you're in shock afterwards, but physically it's over when it's over. Do you have any other, like random phobias or trivial fears?

Like, I'm scared of getting my blood drawn. Do you have anything like that? You know, when I had to get my blood drawn for Creator Clash, I was sitting in the chair, and I was shaking like a chihuahua. Oh, my God. You're scared?

Terrified. Well, I just don't like, I don't know Does anybody like getting their blood drawn? Some people just don't mind it Yeah It was okay I can't stand it

I'm not a fan of that I don't like heights I don't like heights But I like I've skydived And how was that? Terrifying What I've heard from people that are scared of heights That have sky dove

That's past tense Is when you jump out It's such a surreal experience It's not like hanging over Like the glass railing at like the mall The second story of the mall Like that's different because it's actually a feasible height.

But when you're jumping out of a plane, your mind just cannot comprehend it. So it's not even like fear, which is what you're feeling. It's something completely different, like an out of body, out of mind experience. It is because the view is the same when you're in a plane. I'm a person who feels safe in planes. I don't get plane anxiety. But when I look out, I don't think I'm going to fall there. So when you're in the plane going up to skydive, yeah, it's really freaky,

stepping off. But once you're in the initial free fall, it's like, this is the view I have out a plane. Maybe that's not the right way. But like, whereas when you're standing on a cliff or like over the railing at the mall, you can see the bottom more clearly. You can, yeah, you can relate. And I feel like bungee jumping is 50 times scarier. Oh my God. I'm never going to do that. You know what I mean? You see it. Whereas skydiving, you can't. Also just getting like whipped like that. I'm not, yeah. I'm not into that. Yeah. What's the initial feeling like when you're jumping out of a plane? Like your stomach just go. Pretty much.

And I, and you, it's like you're screaming, but nothing's impacted. Like, if I were to scream in this room, we'd hear the volume. It would echo off the walls. When you scream falling out of a plane, you can't even hear yourself. So you feel completely powerless. I've no desire to do that. The highest I've ever jumped was a buddy had a roof like this and then it had a pool. And I jumped from there.

I jumped from the roof to the pool. to me than skydye. I didn't think so at all. But I remember the feeling of just like your stomach just goes, but then it lasted longer than I felt like it should have. Yeah.

You know, like a roller coaster kind of goes away with this was like, still falling and I'd imagine that to feel somewhat the same way. It actually really hurt to hit the water. I bet. I was not expecting that, yeah. Gosh.

I'm not expecting that. We should go skydiving in Vegas. Would never. Yeah. I know, you guys, no. I want to do it. Come on. Let's do a big of it.

This would be a great experience. I have no desire to. No desire. So what do you say to someone like Graham, right, where you are very comfortable being uncomfortable? Graham is extremely uncomfortable to get uncomfortable. What would you say to him? Do you think it's fine for him to live this life?

Do you think it's okay? In comfort, right? Not venturing out of his box. What would Andrew Tate say? I have no idea. He would probably say sign up for his scores or whatever. Which is also probably a waste of money. But, you know, if you were scared to go skydiving, I would call Jack and say,

buy the tickets, let's all go. And you probably have Graham's credit card. And then Graham would be like the investments been made. I don't have Graham's credit card. I probably should. No. So what would you say to Graham? Do you think it's, you know?

I think it's fair to be scared of skydiving. I am scared of it. But if it's something where you're like, I want to do this before I die, you just got to sign up. I don't. Okay, well, then don't do it. I don't want to do it. You shouldn't feel pressure ever to do something that you don't see finds value. I'd rather go to Japan between the two.

I know that sounds like, but I want to go to Japan. Why Japan? I'm really, I've always wanted, I'm saying if you, like, something to do before you die, I want to go to Japan. That would mean that would mean way more. You should. Yeah. Not tomorrow, but. tomorrow. When is your next vacation? Do you vacation? Well, Tampa. That's not a vacation. It's a greater

time. You are in the entire time. No, I'm not. You were literally making a vacation. It's a vacation. It's a vacation. It's a vacation for me. So this is a fun little exercise. I think about this quite often. So everybody, like they look at Graham, they look at Gary Vee. They look at certain people like that. Like, you grind, you put yourself through challenges every single day. Here we go, Jack. It's a 24-7 gig, stuff like that. And people see that as extremely challenging and uncomfortable, right? To work at such lengths, right, every single day. For Graham, it's not challenging at all. For Graham, it would be challenging to do the opposite, because this is now what has become easy for him. This is this preferable life, right? So that's what I think. And I think for Graham, even for you, after putting yourself

through so many different challenges steps, you probably have like this very high standard of like the next one. Wouldn't it be extremely uncomfortable and challenging for you to do something like on the other end of the spectrum for the same way that it would be uncomfortable for, yeah, maybe something like that. In the same way that for Graham, it would be extremely uncomfortable to like lounge for a day. You know what I mean? You could do a video eating McDonald's Burger King and doing nothing but watching TV for a week. How challenging would that be for you? Compared to all the other challenges. That would be really challenging for me because I don't and I think in the same way that I think skydiving would be challenging for you is because I think

both of us in these unique situations don't see a benefit in the outcome. Right. Yeah. I agree with that. Yeah. Tampa's a vacation for you? It is. I can't. Yeah. Like, are you going to at least like, I don't know, go to Disney World, like drive over or something? No, no, we were there last year.

Okay. Yeah, there's nothing. Do you go to Disneyland here? It's like the same thing. It's the same thing. Yeah. Oh, we are going to be staying, by the way, with Ben Mala for two days. Really?

Oh, really. Oh, that's nice. That's cool. Are they in Tampa? She's in Clearwater. Oh. Yeah. So I'm doing a video with Ben.

That's vacation. A four-year update video with Ben Mala. I love clear water. Oh, and he's going to give his old clothes to Alex. Oh, that would be excited. Ben is just, in case I don't know, he's a real estate mobile guy. He looks like an Italian mob boss from the 50s. He's huge, both in height and in size.

And he chain smoke cigarettes, but he's a total boss. Wow. Yeah. So Clearwater. Clearwater. Real estate there is pretty nice. Some of it is. Yeah.

Yeah, it's not as... It's a beautiful location, I mean. I compare it to L.A., and so everything there is like, wow, everything is like half off. But it is nice to be on the water. Oh, my God. It's cool. So he's right on the water. He's right on the water.

He's got this, like, $20 million house that takes up three lots, and the home has got to be like 20,000 for feet. We've got a lazy river. He's got a lazy river that goes through his backyard. Wow. It is massive, and it's right on the water. So he's a river and an ocean. He's all the different water. Oh, and he also has a busy.

bowling alley. Wow. Oh my God. Yeah. I mean, that place is it's literally an idyllic town. It's where the Truman Show was shot. Is it? I think so. Yeah, Clearwater and... Wow, that would be interesting. But yeah, they filmed it. I'm pretty sure. That was a great movie.

Yeah. And guests who did some of the music, Jack. Oh, your man. Philip Glass. Oh. What were you thinking? My man. Who else is my man? Danny Elfman. No, no. Philip Glass. Yeah.

So how long were you going to be in Florida then? A week? Six days, five days. Okay, yeah. I get there on Wednesday, come back. You know that next week, yeah. Awesome. Okay.

Yeah. So do you have any questions from me or Creator Clash or anything, really? Yeah. I mean, what's your advice to me ahead of Creator Clash? Yeah. I would say it's the mental aspect. I didn't treat myself that well. Like mentally, I was just like tune it out.

Don't talk about it. Don't think about it. Like, just get it over with. And I don't think that was the best mindset to have. I was so anxious that like the entire day was just like, yes, it's finally going to be over. I was more focused about just getting through it than it was about, like, doing well, I feel. So looking back, I'd focus a lot more on doing well. Yeah.

Wow. I just wanted it to be over. Like, I was so relieved afterwards. I'm like, finally. I think I'll be really. leave to you. I think we all will be. But it's a different experience than what you would expect.

I think just like the crowd. But then again, like you're listening to the crowd cheering and stuff like that. I guess, but that's different. It's seeing it like walking into that room, seeing all the people. And then I felt self-conscious knowing that so many people were watching me and like everything I do like someone was going to see it and it's being filmed. Yeah. Someone's going to replay and be like, oh, this was this. Exactly. And then I went into thinking like if I throw more punches then I might have an advantage, but I just tired myself out way too fast. Wow.

So conserving energy. Yes. You almost want to be a little bit more conservative in the beginning. Just I guess feel out your opponent a little bit more versus me just going in. I'm like, I got to do this because if I throw more punches,

like I'm not going to get hit. I hope that I have that opportunity too because I, you know, I would love for the first round to be like feeling it out, but I have a feeling it'll be she wants an early knockout. You could be. The other thing, just make sure to keep your hands up. I thought the same thing.

I was like, everyone's putting their hands down. Why are they doing that? Because, again, you forget everything. Oh, my God. But the most important for me is, like, the right hand. I put my right hand down. Or when I would do a jab, like, I would naturally jab right hand down. It's just like an instinctual sort of thing.

It's crazy how when you're watching, it's so easy to be like, why didn't I do this or why didn't this boxer do that thing? And then when you're in there, Yeah. Oh, I'm also going to say it does not help to watch the fights before. I think I would have done... Like when you're in the waiting room? Yeah, yeah. I think I would have done much better if it were just... I had no idea what's going on.

So I think it would have done better. Was watching the fights before that freaked you out more? You did. It just stressed me out. Yeah, because I saw everyone that was going out was coming back and, like, they all had an injury. And I'm like, what's my injury going to be? Like... Oh. That's an awful head. space for that to put in the moment like obviously now looking bad no one was seriously injured

and like everyone recovered um but just watching that i think it stressed me out even more and i just got in my head about it definitely like evokes um like in gladiator movies that's how i felt when people are waiting to go like fight a lion or whatever and then they bring the body back of the person before and you're just like yeah in front of everybody yeah that's how it felt to me yeah because everyone when you'd see them come back and like, I forget the one guy's name, but like he had a broken nose. And I was just like, oh man, that's nuts. Fuck. Oh, my God. Yeah. Because Haley, who fought last year. Yeah.

She and I trained at the same gym. And so one of the wonderful things about this extremely abbreviated fight camp has been, I've gotten to train and spar with her, which has been such a wonderful learning experience. Oh, that's fantastic. Yeah. But, you know, we'll be, you know, one of us will go first and the other will go second. and oh my god i i am like i feel like we have a unique bond the two of us oh for sure and we we we share some of our we each have different coaches but then we share some as well and so i i really hope that you know whether it's me going first or her going that we can feed off of

each other and support each other rather than be like oh my god you got a broken house now i got like that yeah that's freaky ooh exactly so if you could just avoid watching I think that would help. Do they have like TVs backstage? They did in mine. Yeah. And of course, everyone has huddled around the TV.

It's hard like, because you hear it. And you can also. So you hear it on the TV and then you hear the crowd. Because your room, at least my room, was like 60 feet away

from the entrance of the, for the walkout. And so it's like you just walk down the hallway, turn right, and you're there. And so we were kind of going in and out. You can kind of peer out

and see like what's going on there. But like, and it's weird with the delay too because you would hear that like a few seconds before you would see it on the screen so it's like you hear a thing and you're like what just happened you see it on the screen oh my god yeah so if you can it might just type yourself up to like put on like music or like AirPods tune it out be by yourself yeah um but then again in the guys locker room there were like 20 people in there they're gonna be like three in mine for you got yeah it's gonna be a lot it's gonna be a lot easier a lot a lot

There are a few other female fights. So it'll be like five of us, I guess, in each look. Yeah. So it might be a little bit easier than Austin, like 20 people in there. And then every fighter had like two to three people with them. So that's how we got like such a big group. People were all like, you know, doing their warm ups and stuff like that. Wow.

Wow. Wow. Wow. So if you could just headphones in, just zone out, meditate, just visualize it. I think that'll go a long way. Yeah. Absolutely. Oh my gosh. I'm like getting butterflies just thinking about it right now.

That's crazy. I'm getting butterflies like remembering this stuff. That's why I'll never do it again. Yeah, I'm glad you'll be there though. I feel like, oh yeah, yeah, I'll be there.

You're a friendly, familiar face. So I can be like, grim. Yeah. And you'll be like, get it together. See, I'm going to be doing that video. If they allow me in your locker room, I have a feeling they won't. But if they do, I would love to get your take

like before all of this. You're going to see me vomiting in a trash, I'm just kidding. The one thing I will say, Michael Reeves had the issue and kind of so did I. I was very nervous

and my mouth was getting very dry beforehand, so I was drinking water. And I had the sensation of having to go pee once they wrap your gloves. I've heard of this. And you can't do anything. And so Michael was talking about,

yeah, he had his trainer pulled down his pants for him while he went to the bathroom. So for me, I think it was more of a mental thing Because once I knew, like, those gloves are wrapped, you have, like, 30 minutes. And you want to be, like, on your game. It's like, if you feel like you have to go to the bathroom, like, it's going to throw you off.

And I was like, oh, crap. Now I, like, this is going to throw me off. Is there anything else you guys want to talk about? Yeah, we'll just wrap it up with something light. What do you think is the meaning of life? Oh, my God. Some light discussions. Some easy questions.

I think the meaning of life is different for everybody. I guess for me, it's similar to how I'm approaching this boxing match. where I don't ever want like days or a month or a year of my life to go by where I feel like I could have I could have made it more of what I wanted. So not necessarily like the idea of I wish I could have done more. But I think for me it's like is everything I'm doing and every day and every moment fulfilling and exciting? Because at the end of this, I mean, we're all going to die. And nothing after that matters to me as an individual. What do they call it the age-old adage where it's like if you're on your deathbed,

you want to look back and be happy with all of the decisions that you said yes to something rather than displeas that you said no to something? Absolutely. I just really want to like have a rich and exciting life of all of whatever life. has to offer. How do you want up this? Do you know what's next? Yeah, do you know what's next after?

I mean, we definitely have like a lot of fantastic videos coming after this. And this is going to be the longest video. I mean, this is over a year of footage, which is crazy. I don't know exactly at this point, like what the next like massive project will be. But I mean, I've also learned like some of the best performing and most impactful videos we make don't have to take a year to make. They can be shot in a day, so. Yeah. I'm really open to whatever.

Should be a race car driver. Do F1. I want to do that. And I also want to do pit crew. Ooh. Because they have these facilities where pit crew are trained and they like practice like throwing the tires

and, you know, all that. Yeah. I would do both of those. I think that would be so cool. Yeah. Anything else you want to talk about? I guess I just want to say, future me, I hope you're a winner.

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