The Iced Coffee Hour - Patrick Bet-David's on Starting His $400,000,000 Business Empire

Episode Date: September 10, 2023

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So Pat, thank you so much for coming back on. It's been almost exactly a year that you were on the last time. Of course. I love the work you guys are doing. So you were just on Rogan too. The second time, right? Yes. Which is absolutely incredible.

Like, that is the hallmark of being basically at this point a very important and impactful person. Can you walk us through how that invitation went, how the experience went? And you were also very gracious to give him a bunch of very thoughtful gifts on the podcast. Well, to me, Joe's the goat, you know, in the space of, if you look at the wall right there, the Wall of Fame and all the names that we have there with Elvis, Tupac, JFK, Marilyn Monroe, Frank Sinatra, Tiger Woods, Kobe, Tom Brady, Ali, Dave Chappelle, Sinha, Michael Jordan, and Joe Rogan.

I think Joe's the goat of what he does. The last three years, he showed it was more than just entertaining. It's enlightenment. He's getting people to think. He was, I think, one of the most, if not the most super necessary voice the last three years. But in regards to how it happened, I mean, I've been following Joe for a while. I'm a fan of following Joe's content. And I messaged him a few years ago. We were just compliment him on the work he's doing. About a year and a half after that, he messaged me. He said, say, Pat, I want to do a podcast with you. I went out. And this time around, it was more around me wanting to give him a gift. after he opened up his new comedy club. And if you've not been to this comedy club, this was a movie theater before. The place is sick. It's insane.

The behind the scenes, the rooms, the way it's set up, everything has a messaging. He's got the wall from back in the days, the people he bought it from. There's a whole story to it. There's two different clubs that goes at the same time. He performs there, I think, three times a week, two times on the nights, but three times a week.

And this time it was just, hey, if you come in and give me the gifts, let's do another podcast to get. I'd love to it and boom, it led to the conversation that it did. That's fantastic. I heard he only has four employees right now of running the entire podcast. It's not a lot of employees, four or five employees, but the facility is, let me tell you, the facility is insane.

You know, we came, he gave us a tour to the back, and Vinny accidentally steps on the floor where they practice jujitsu. Joe's like, what are you doing when he takes his foot off? And you see all the art work, just visualize, I would say 100, 200 pieces of art laying against the wall because he's like, he's doing. He has no more room for wall. Are you serious? Yes.

It's a good facility. It's a massive facility. Full-blown gym. He's got a room just purely for archery. And then his guys are there. You talk to his guys. They love working for Joe. Absolutely love working for him.

But it's an incredible facility. So it's interesting going on different podcasts because I was on yours yesterday and I was shocked at the amount of research and the attention to detail that you put into these podcasts. How much goes into that prior? Great question. So it depends. So, for example. For the first, I don't know, eight years of me doing podcasts, I'm the researcher.

Nobody researches for me. So I'm the guy that's reading the book. I'm doing this. I'm doing that. I'm watching the videos, taking notes, have a format of how I take notes. And whether I start off with facts, then I go to topics, then I go to questions I want to ask. That is the format. I like having facts.

And I like having topics and issues. And then I go to questions that I want to ask. And then now we have a whole research team that gives us content. You know, whether if it's, if I'm interviewing somebody and it's more of a Valuetainment interview, it's just more stuff that's related to you and then other items that I may want to bring up to get your opinion on that maybe we haven't heard your comment on. Yeah, there's a lot of preparation. I'm sure you saw, we now have 74 full-time employees that are working on Valuetainment. A part of it is with the consulting firm.

Consulting firm is growing extremely rapidly right now. Menecht our app right now, you know, our app right now. We got 70,000 downloads the last couple months. Menect where how familiar are you with Meneck what it does have you I got a 10 minute pitch and I downloaded it okay so Menect is think about seven years ago or so lawyer of mine I talked to we had a seven minute call yeah he charges me for 30 minutes and I call up and I said why do you charge me for 30 minutes we had a seven minute call he says that's what lawyers do minutes roll up I said not to 30 minutes he said well you know what do you want me to do about

I said you got to charge me for seven minutes says I can't do that I said what are you worth by the minute. He says no lawyer charges by the minute. I said, what if there is a technology where I get to pay for people's time by the minute? So that's when we came up with, do you have a minute to connect? Let's menect. Menect is the app. So on Menect, if I send a DM to somebody, if I want to get a question answered by somebody, most people don't respond back to DMs. About 90% of DMs get unanswered. On Menect, you're going to get an answer back because you're paying Graham $200 for a question. He responds back. You make 80% of that. Manx keeps 20% of it. If they want to see a video being responded back for me in a video

format answering question, hey, Graham, you run a YouTube channel with 4 million subscribers. The video maybe $400. But if I want to do a 15-minute face time with you, you get to pick and choose what you want to charge by a minute, 50 bucks a minute. You do a face-time, your face is up here, their faces down here. It's done well. So we have a whole team for Manette. Then we have product development division. And then we have our cutters, editors, shredders. We have our production team here. We have the folks at a running our cigar lounge, our buildings, the next projects that we're working out about to buy 10 acres to build a campus that we'll be doing our docs, movies, all that stuff. So it's growing. I think within a year, year and a half will be at around 250 employees.

If our HR team speed can catch up, we'd be at 120 employees right now. I hear Andrew Tate is doing quite well on there. Andrew Tate did very well there. I want to say their first month, they made $100,000 on Minette. Oh, my gosh. Yes, I think they, the $93,000, it may be between $90,000 to $100,000, their money on Meneck. You can go ask questions from them on Meneck, Tristan Tate, but you can ask questions of Chast Pomerantir. You can ask questions from bodybuilders.

Can ask questions from consultants, those who raise money. It's a lot of different people. Yeah. And you also recently interviewed Andrew Tate for the second time. Yes. 14 million views in one month, which is absolutely astounding. I know for that podcast, extra amounts of research went into it. Can you walk us through maybe like the prior three days before that.

podcast. Great question. So here's what we do. When we do big interviews, it is extra amount of research that we do. You're looking at topics, issues, questions, current events, but you're looking at top three, five angles. You can't be a, you know, regular person that's asking the same exact questions. Give me the keys to success or give me the key. So tell me what happened here. It has to be angles. If your angles aren't unique, no one's interested. People are interested in unique angles, right? When I get interviewed on different podcasts, I'm like, okay, here we go again. This is another question that's been asked that's been asked a million times, right? When we did the podcast last time, a lot of clips took off for you guys

because you guys did the right job asking questions to get content that maybe hadn't been heard before. That's what the audience wants to see, right? So when we got to Romania the night before, I don't know how many hours it was. I would say we sat there at a table for six hours to prep on what angles to take with the interview. And when we did the interview, we were all going on probably a couple hours of sleep. And it was done.

We stayed with him to 12 o'clock, 1 o'clock in the morning. But yes, you're looking at angles. And I'm not only interviewing him. So I interviewed Andrew. And right after us with Andrew, we went to Tristan without a break. So it's bum, boom. The interview is seven hours of doing interviews. Yeah.

Back to back to back. But, yes, lots of preparation. And what angle did you settle on for the Andrew Tay interview? And what other angles were you thinking about? So BBC to me missed a mark with him when they can. out trying to do a gotcha interview. They look disrespectful. They look like clowns, to be honest with you, and they look like hypocrites. Meaning, you have a guy who is working for your organization, who texted a minor and followed a minor on Twitter at 15 years old. The guy ends up becoming a

intern for you. Then you end up hooking up with this 19 year old kid, whatever age he was when he did. You're married for 27 years with two daughters. Then he tells the story of what happened with you. That's public. You step away. Some are saying, did you get together with this boy when he was underage or what happened to it? The interview that's done with BBC with this guy and they say, so, you've had a rough week. How are you feeling?

That's the opening question of a guy that followed another man on Twitter, a boy, 15 years old on Twitter, right? And what's the first question with Tate? Are you raping? See, when you do stuff like that, you lose credibility. This is why people don't trust mainstream media today. Back in the day's Ted Turner, when he started CNN, he said, news was the talent. It was the news that you looked up to. Today, it's flipped.

It's not the news. It's the anchor. It's the individual, right? You used to watch CNN, and they would give the news to you. You used to watch Walter Cronkite. We just got news that our president, very unfortunate news today. President John F. Kennedy has been, boom. It was just news being given to you, right?

The news, what we wanted to get? So a lot of these guys have missed the mark. Unfortunately, unfortunately, for BBC, CNN, MSNBC, many of them. The market is changing. People want long form. They want to talk to human beings. They want to be asked questions that those guys are thinking about, not what you're thinking about.

What are they thinking about? You could ask a question you're thinking about. But what do they want to have? They don't have access to me or they don't have access to Tate. They want those questions. So if you ask the questions that they're wondering, and people are going to sit there and say, that's exactly what I've been thinking about this in time.

How is it that BBC asked this? And then so all these different angles you think about and then you try to be fair to like even yesterday's interview would be vacured, the town hall that we did. Opening question was what? World Economic Forum. It's not a friendly question. It's a question.

Hey, you're tied to world economic forum. What do you think about this? Hey, you're Indian. Is a part of what you're trying to do to go away from China, your relations with India? Is that kind of like trying to help your homeland? Are you vaccinated? Did you take the vaccine?

scene. You heard at the end what he said. It was kind of uncomfortable, right? Hey, how about how are you going to handle this? You're 37 years old. You're 38 years old. You've never been there before. How are you going to hire? People want to have those questions being asked at the same time. Why do you think you're doing so well? Why do you think as a young age, you know, your Twitter account is growing the way that is and your competitors are not? Why do you think America's file on your content so much? We need to kind of give a little bit of both sides.

Even the viewer question about religion. I was like, I was like, that was fantastic. Heather, right? The lady that asked the question. One of the last question. That was a very impressive question. I knew it knocked Vivek back. What did you think about his answer, though? I thought it was great. I thought it was great.

He's a great answer, Matt. He's a great speaker, of course. But do you believe him? His answer, do you actually believe him? I do as well. But here's the thing. I also, I tend to fall for stuff like this all over time. Anytime someone's like, you can trust me.

I'm honest. You know, like, all be the one. It means you're being honest about it. No, it's true. It happens time and time again. And so, with, him, I'm like, this is the guy. This is the one I trust. So, you know, it could just be me being naive. You know what it is as well? There's a part of it where he's here last night with us.

He's there shaking hands. I said, where's your wife at? His wife was doing a surgery last night. She's a surgeon. While he's here, he's got two kids. The guy's worth a few hundred million dollars, started a company, raised $2.2 billion. It's valued at $9 billion today. He doesn't need to do this. He lives an incredible life. But he's still working? His wife is still working? Let me get this straight. Your wife is still working while you're worth this much money. It's more than just money when you're doing something like that.

So it's not like we're above you, we're better than you. There was a good feeling about it. Now, we're going to see. It's going to be rough competing with everybody else, but it was interesting talking to them. Again, the point being, you've got to ask all the questions that are the good questions as well as the tough questions and then let the audience decide. Now, let me ask you this. Do you think that's a bit of an ego play?

Because it seems like sometimes when people have a certain amount of money, then they go, for power. And that might be in the form of going to Congress, Senate, presidency. Do you feel like that's maybe a thing that's going on? I think what you're doing some could say is an ego play. Sure. How many more subscribers do you need Graham? You got four and a half million, Mr. Graham, right? Why do you need to get to 10 million? I'm running a small YouTube channel out of Arkansas with 2,800 subscribers and I'm happy. Although before we go into that, as you probably noticed, one of the things that we really enjoy is coming up with fun ideas and then turning them into a reality. In fact, that's how the podcast even came to be.

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what percentage of a human being being selfish or selfless is going to good for society. Okay? Let's kind of look at both sides. Is a person who's a hundred percent selfless good for society? If you're 100 percent selfless, meaning everything you do is for others, are you good for society? Probably not. No. I would tend to think more so yes. A hundred percent. You think a hundred percent selfless is good for society? I'm trying to think at what level does being selfish benefit others. If the point is to help others, at what point is being selfish? At what point is being selfish help. So picture somebody who is 100% selfless. They do everything for who, everybody else. So there's an element of conformity. There's an element of trying to please everybody. There's an element

of constantly worried about what other people think. Those types of people don't typically do net positive good for society because the first thing we want you to do is we want you to take care of yourself. A few things with me. I don't mind if you smoke weed. I'll shake your hand. I don't mind if you smoke cigars. I'll shake your hand. If you smoke, cigarettes, I can't deal with it. Okay? When I shake someone's hands with smoke cigarettes, I go like this. I'm like, give me a flip and break. I'll go like this to you next time. I don't like cigarettes, right? If you don't take care of your body and you smell, you can't be around me too much. I got a big nose and I can smell everything. Okay. I can smell if you took a shower. I can smell if you don't

brush your teeth. I can smell it and I don't like it. I ran a sales team and one of the things happened when you run a sales team, you have to have a lot of awkward conversations. So when a young guy gets started and you want to sell, I would sit there and I would say, hey, you don't yet have credibility to have beard. If you're going to be selling insurance, you've got to kind of fix your hair a little bit, you got to get your cut on the side a little bit, you got to shave. If you're going to sit in front of other people asking them to sell their million-dollar home with you, you got to dress up better. Now, you guys run a YouTube channel, you don't care what I think about you. There's an element that that's your look. You've got like the Steve Jobs look.

But I would sit there and I would tell guys, and I would say, hey, Johnny, yes. Do you know you smell? You're serious. Yeah, you smell, bro. And it's not good. And about 20 people have brought it up to me. And here's what I want to do with you. Do you want to continue smelling or do you want to do something about it? I want to do something about it. I don't know if you have a father figure in your life that's having this conversation with you.

But I'm going to have it with you. And we're doing it privately behind closed doors so you don't need to be embarrassed. But I'm hoping for the rest of your life, no one ever needs to have this conversation with you. Fair, fair. Let me give you the starter kit. Here, what do you use when you shower at night? What soap do you use? What shampoo do you use? Tell me what razor do you use. Can you actually show it to me? Go on the website and show me what you buy. You use that kind of shampoo? Are you sure? How do you wash yourself? Do you blow dry your body afterwards? Do you blow dry down here, down here and your toes? Because that's where fungus is. How do you blow dry? What do you do? Okay, how do you shave? Do you shave up? Do you shave sideways? Do you shave down? What are you doing? Pat, no one's talking about this kind of stuff. I'm 23 years old. I totally get it. But it's my job. I'll do it the first time. But it happens second time. You got to figure something.

for yourself because sales is not going to work out. So here's an option for you with deodorant, okay? Here's the toothpaste. Here's the toothbrush. Here's the spray. Here's a cologne. Go start working on this. This is a soap you can use. This is the axe you can use. I would give them the starter kit and they would come back. Because if you're 100% selfless, you don't really care about, you know, taking care of yourself. All you care about is but you're hurting everybody else. Now let's flip the question. Do you think a person that's 100% selfish is a net positive to society. No.

Do you think more than 100% selfless? Makes you think. Yeah. So what is it? Think about a person that's 100% selfish. What do they typically do? Make money.

Right? That's a positive to society. What else does 100% selfish do? They take care of themselves. Right. They're clean. They probably don't donate. That's fine.

But the Mohan selfless one probably doesn't make any money because that guy doesn't have any dreams or vision or goals. So when you think about this element and you say, Do you think Vivek's doing it for ego and all this stuff? I think you're doing it for ego.

Sure. But I don't think it's 100%. So the number we found that's reasonable, that's a good amount to be that a guy is still driving is 70-30. If 70% of you is driving for your goal, your dreams, your vision, 30% is for him, the people around your audience, you're a net positive because you're constantly in search of something. If somebody is 50-50, they're typically a good advisor.

because they don't want anything from you. You know, the only thing they want from you is a little bit of credit to say, hey, John, thank you for that advice. So that is an element where anybody that runs, they're typically around the 70% selfish, 30% selfless. What would you say you are? I think I'm around the 65%, 35%, 70%,

because for me, so my wife and I, when we have a conversation about vision, and I say to her, I said, babe, if you want somebody to be home every night at 6 o'clock to have dinner, I'm not the guy. If you want somebody to be in town every single week for the entire year, I'm not the guy for you. If you want somebody that's going to sit there and say, oh my God, I'm so sorry, I'm this, I'm that, I'm this, I'm not that guy. I'm not compromising my vision because that vision is a commitment I have to my father, my heritage, my family, and my God,

I'm not compromising that vision. I'm not compromising my values and principles. These are things that I'm fighting for. If you're okay with that, let's roll. If you're not, let me introduce you to some of my friends that may be a better match for you than me. This is when we were dating. Okay. Amazon presents Jeff versus Taco Truck Salsa,

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So if I see relationships, husband and wife, I'll typically talk about this, and, you know, I'll talk to someone, I'll say, oh, my God, this guy's a real good town, and I like him a lot. So let's just say you want to have a good meeting tonight, and you leave. Pat, I'm on fire.

We're going to go do this. Let's just say we have a God conversation, or we have a health conversation, or we have a political conversation. And you're like, this is fantastic. That's a good point. And then you go home. And your wife says, you explain to, babe, you won't even believe what I just saw was over here.

Vivek was talking and Patrick was saying this. Yeah, that's a good point. That's stupid. That doesn't make any sense. You know you're not that. You're not like them. That's not you. You don't think so, babe?

No, those are just bunch of egotistical people. Yeah, you know what I thought about that? Yeah, I think you're right, babe. I love you and you go to sleep. Versus. You go home, babe, babe, I saw this debate and I'm saying, Vive. and Patrick and Patrick. Yeah, babe, that's not you.

That's stupid. Those are egotistical people. What are you talking about, babe? Yeah, those are egotistic. These are people that only care about themselves. I'm sorry, babe. You care about you. Take care of yourself.

I'm glad you do. I do. I love the fact that they're driven. I like being around people that are doing this. They inspired me tonight. Babe, you know, we want to live a different life. Babe, I don't know what life you want to live. This is the life I want to live.

I'm hoping you're bought in. See, if you can't have that conversation, you don't have a backbone. Then you're the one that's going to be better. or 5, 10, 15, 20, 30 years down the line, looking back saying, I compromise my vision for this girl, and now you're upset at her, you're blaming the wife, you're seeing your kids and you're saying, if you only know what your mom did to me, it's not the wife's fault.

It's your fault because the way you compromise your vision that you have for what you want to do that God put on you, you know, if there's something you keep thinking about, that's a vision that's important to you. And if you can't have the backbone to pursue it, then it's not a last appointment issue. You're not fully committed to what you want to do. You can be fickle and people can change your mind constantly. I notice God is a topic that comes up frequently with you. What role does God have in your life?

And do you think that everybody needs a relationship with God to some capacity or could some exist without a relationship with God? Everybody has a God. Okay. My God from 14 years old to 25 was women. They were my God. Okay. It was everything I wanted.

I couldn't get enough of it. I wanted all of them. I wanted every ethnicity, every background, in every place, and every club, I wanted them all. Okay. Some kids, their God is video games. Some people, their God is food. Some people, their God is the amount of likes they get on social media. Everybody has a God.

So there's no such thing as, you know, Look at these people who believe in God. They need God. They're weak. That's what they are. No, no. Look at you who your God is. Your God is porn.

Your God is women. Your God is money. Your God is everybody has. So there's no such thing as I don't, I have a God, but you don't have a God. You have a God as well. I said, we have a God. So let's set that part aside about who has a God or who doesn't have a God. For me, you know, my entire life, I had a big conflict with a man upstairs because, you

When you're living in Iran and your mom and that have taped the windows because when the explosion of a bomb comes, you don't want the window to, you just want it to fall and it doesn't hurt the kids. And my bed is right underneath seven, eight windows in Chiavona, Hujat in Iran. Street name is Hujet. And we're right there. That's not a good environment to be raised in. And you're going outside, you're seeing holes in the ground and the places you used to play right across the street. You're hearing this whistling sound and your parents get divorced twice in 20 years.

They get married. Your sister is born. They get divorced. then they get remarried, then you're born, then they get a divorce. And the visual that I had as a kid, when every night on the fourth floor, my dad would walk up at 8.30 and I would see his head, first step. Boom, boom, I knew my dad is he.

I'd run up to the door, open it up, give him a hug. The last time I experienced that I was 10 years old, boom, gone. I don't see that head climbing at 8.30 in a moment when he'd come home from work. It was the best moment of my day. That's the last time that happened. The only vacation I ever took as a family with my mom and dad, We went to a city called Esfahan. And Esfahan is like an old city with a lot of different things.

There's a song by a man named Moin. He sings a song called Delam Michot Be Esfahan Bergerdam. I'll sit there in my backyard and I'll listen to that song for two hours straight. It's just, he's saying, Delam Mikad Be Esfahan, Bargerdam. My heart wants to return to Esfahan. My heart wants to return to Esfam because my entire family was together. It was me, my sister, my mom, and my dad. So then you go to Germany at a refugee camp for two years.

There's no father figure. You don't know what to do. You're experiencing bullying, fighting out there, you know, fighting with Afghans, Pakistanis, Germans, you know, all these other people from different ethnicities. Like, who are you from Iran? You're in our country here right now. That's exactly why Germany is being ruined because they're letting too many of you here. And maybe they were partly right.

And why are we coming in your homeland? You know, we're dealing with our own mess. And eventually we'll make it to the States. And I go to the army and I get, I'm like, don't even talk to me about. God or anything. And then eventually, I realized with a couple moments, a man giving me a Bible when I was in the Army, and he said, you need this Bible more than I. His parents gave him that Bible December 24, 1974. I have the Bible till today in my office. I said, I don't know, man. I, you know, I like Hoffa, I like Rumi, these famous poets from Iran. And Rumi had a poet,

I'll butcher it, but you can kind of see how he says where, you know, God uses human beings as a flew to sink through, which means in a way God talks to you and I through people. And then one day, a friend of mine who was a tough guy in L.A., we went to school together. Him and I both had a 1.8 GPA. And neither one of us were going to do anything. So when we went to college and we're at Glendal Community College, me and Armand were the ones that told you you're an idiot if you go to class. We would make fun of you. We were those friends. We'd be like, look at these idiots. They're going to class. What are you going to do going to class? Man, who cares about a college degree? stay here let's play spades let's play hoax stay for another hour and we would influence kids to drop out of their class that was us okay so i go to the army he does what he does

this is the same guy that one time punched a guy in a face with a brass knuckles he punched the guy in a face breaks the guy's jaw was telling the story to you guys he breaks the guy's jaw the guy can't eat he's eating out of a straw for 30 days and one day he tells the story to me the father comes to his uh uh a house he knocks on the door opens the door, the father's looking at him, saying, I'm not here to do anything to you. I'm only here for you to see the pain of a father going through for what you did to my son. And the dad is crying. He says, I don't ever want you to feel the pain. I'm feeling right now when I watch my son jaw.

I can't talk to my son. I'm in pain. And you brought that pain to my son. He says, that day messed me up, right? Guilt, all this stuff. Anyways, I go to the army. I come back 24 years. years old and I go to Rafi's place and I say so how are you doing this as well Jesus has changed my life I'm

like I'm thinking it is joking with me he says no I'm telling you I said come on man what are he talking about you yeah stop it you're pulling a prank because we were both pranksters big pranksters he's saying I'm telling you you got to come to Bible study with me so I go to Bible study with them Friday night in Pasnas with this guy named Mono and would sit there from six o'clock at night to two o'clock in the morning we're debating and I'm just trying to debate debate debate debate, debate, debate, debate. Anyways, eventually, I make a decision. I become baptized January, I think it's 21st of 04,

and I realized I don't want to live my life alone. I'm not alone right and I'm around you guys. When you're together, you're around each other, you're around your girl, you're not alone, right? But you're going to be alone. Who do you talk to when you're alone? I want a relationship with God when I'm alone. Because if my vision is big of what I want to do in my life,

For me to think I can do it by myself, that is so arrogant, and it's so much pressure on an individual when things don't go your way. Sometimes you need to just say, look, man, I'm going to pray like it's up to you, but I'm going to work like it's up to me. There's a man named Greg that told me this 20 years ago, and there's so much truth behind it, right? God has played an incredible role in my life. I'm a guy that's very honored and grateful for the life that he's given me. I look at my kids' faces and I tell Dylan, I say, Dylan, do you realize I can't imagine life never meeting you? What do you mean, Daddy? I said, June, July of 2002, I'm at Thomas Mac Center with Lou Holtz speaking.

I'm at that event with my girlfriend sitting to my right and a girl named Jennifer sitting to my left is my girlfriend. A girl sitting to my right, a girl named Jennifer. We're all the way in the back, Lou Holtz is speaking. I said, if I don't go to that event that day, the girl on my left ends up becoming an ex. The girl on my right, five and a half years later, when we're both single, becomes my girlfriend. She's your mother. I would have never met you. I cannot imagine life never meeting you, Dylan, never meeting Patrick Tico, never meeting

Senna or never meeting Brooklyn. If that meeting an appointment never happens, I'm devastated. That meeting is scheduled by the man upstairs. So for me, if your vision's big, if you want to do something massive with your life, you almost need faith. But if you don't believe in a God, trust me, you have a God. You just don't know what it is yet. Now, I'm curious because I've heard a lot of different answers to this, and I want to know your opinion on this. Sure.

But why does God allow pain and suffering and evil to exist in this world? You know, it's a good question you ask. It's a question, you know, I ask for a big part of my life with the things that I saw. that's the free will part man it's our choice he doesn't make us do anything he leaves it to you and i on what we do and how we live our lives if god was a micromanager that would be a different story he's not he's like look here's what you've been given with here's the talents we're given you here's the life go do good with it and find a way to be better to my guys my people my kids and then you get to choose to make bad decisions okay he doesn't now if you go

go back and, you know, some can say, well, you know, that's when sin happened, Adam, Eve, Apple. That's when we started sending prior to that. We were this. We were that great. We have a choice to make good decisions and bad decisions. That's not going away anytime soon. It's on us. It's not him. It's us doing it. So what I heard also, I love that answer, but what I heard also that I really liked is that if he showed himself every single time evil occurred and let's say like cancer was given to a child or something like that, then it wouldn't be faith anymore. It would just be fact. It would be what is.

And the power about belief is that it's faith. And you need to be able to believe in something that isn't fact because, like I said, it would just be what is. Let me ask you a question. Was your father in your life growing up as a kid? He was. Okay. How old were you the first time you got bullied?

I wasn't really bullied that much when I was a kid. Did you ever get into a fist fight? No. Never. I was a pacifist. I would always like run away, shy away from that. Did you ever get bullied? Yes.

How old were you the first time you got bullied? kindergarten preschool. People call me Graham Cracker. Graham Cracker. Oh, well, I would get bullied like that. Because I'm Jack and my last name, Selby, so they abbreviate Jack S. And Jack S. Okay. So how often did your dad go and beat those guys up? Never. Why not? Why would you let that happen to his son? Because they're minors? I never told my parents.

But let me ask you another question. When you grew up, did a girl break your heart when you were 18 years old? I had my heartbroken a little bit. Okay. Did your mom go and slap her in the face and say, how dare you break my son? No. Why wouldn't she do that? How dare she break your heart? Why would a mother let their son's heart be broken? What kind of a mother do you have? You know, is that a good mother? Of course it's a good mother. You have to go through it, okay? You got to go through it and pay the price. Have you done any wrongdoing? You ever got caught stealing? You ever got caught cheating on tests? You ever got caught doing something I was wrong? You ever got suspended? You ever got referrals? You ever gone to, you know, something you shouldn't have done? Yeah. And it hurts. your parents, you know? One day, my son is in soccer practice. This is my oldest.

And he calls, my wife calls and says, babe, they just kicked him out of the camp. So what do you mean, babe? They kicked them out of the camp. So what are you talking about, babe? Why would they kick him out of the camp? He knocked the kid out. I said, what do you mean?

He knocked the kid out in front of the coach. He punched him. The kid felt he knocked. Octima, they say he can't come back here anymore. So when I hear my son in the back screaming, screaming, Dad, you know I'm not afraid of the truth. You call me honest Tico.

You say I'm like honest ape. I'm not afraid of the truth. I said, what happened? He punched me first. I said, Tico, I'm telling you. He punched me first. I said, come on. I said, put the phone in his face.

He puts the phone in his face. I said, I'll go fight for you. Well, you better be telling me the truth. I'm telling you the truth. And you see the tears coming down. So no problem. All good. I called the owners.

I said, hey, I heard you guys kick my son up. We did. He punched a kid and he knocked them out. And parents were right there and we can't come back. We can't have that kind of behavior. I said, do you guys have cameras there? We do. I want you to go watch the camera and see who hit who first.

Okay. How soon can you get back to me? Give us an hour and practice sense. No problem. Two hours nobody calls. Three hours they call me. Want to go electric without sacrificing fun? That's the Volkswagen ID4.

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Your son is welcome to come back, but I personally wanted to call you to apologize. I said, you didn't know to apologize to me. I don't care. You didn't offend me. You need to apologize to my son. I'm going to bring him in and I need you to have a conversation with him. I take him to practice as mom typically takes him. I take him to practice. I said, go ahead. The guy coaches a Venezuelan, phenomenal, classy guy, gets on his name and says, son, I just want to tell you, we messed up. You were in the right, we weren't the wrong, okay? And he goes in, and he plays his game, and he does his practice and all this stuff. It's a great practice that he has.

But you can tell, like, somebody had his back, right? Now, in life, sometimes when you're right and somebody does something to you, it may take five years until you get your redemption, 10 years, 15 years, 15 years. till you get your redemption. But these are the types of moments where, you know, at times we have to go through our mess. At times, God's going to use somebody to come and defend you. And at times, no one's going to show up. Sometimes you're going to like, you're like, I never told my parents. Sometimes, you know, if you're not praying talking to God, he doesn't know who to send.

You ain't praying. Sometimes you just got it. The best way I started praying is the final. I just, my first prayer was like this at 18 years old. I said, God, I don't believe you exist. I think it's fake. I think it's for people that are weak. But I'm going to pray, and if you're out to grade, I'll see what I happen here with the prayer.

If not, I'm just going to talk to you. That's how my prayers were for three years. I prayed like that. So the exercising of praying, if somebody's watching this, you're doing it yourself, you don't have to tell people you're praying. Test it and see what happens. Go do enough for about three, six months, see what happens. And then test it for yourself.

If it doesn't happen, it is what it is. But at least take the first step to start praying to a God you don't believe exists and see if he responds. Now, I'm curious in your son's case, going back to that fight. I was always taught that if someone were to hit you, you don't hit back. And you should walk away, go tell a teacher or something like that. How do you balance that and standing up for yourself and punching back harder if you get punched first? Those are the standards you're going to have to choose when you have a kid. But to me, think about the profile of a bully.

What is the profile of a bully? The profile of a bully is he finds targets. And what does a bully theme, weak targets, targets that he's not afraid of, targets that back down, targets that don't come back at you, right? Do you watch UFC at all? Not really. Do you like boxing at all? I like watching it.

I don't typically, though. No, no. Do you watch any UFC, any of that? Casually watch it. What do you think about? What do you think about fighting? Not for me, but I appreciate the sport. Does it entertain you at all or no?

It does. It does entertain you. Do you know 90% of these guys when they started fighting, why they started fighting? They got bullied. They got bullied. And look where they are now. So, I mean, you know, there's an element of that where if somebody comes and bullies you once and you don't do anything, second time around, third time around, fourth time around,

now you have a reputation. You know what the reputation is? You can bully them. I remember when I started my own insurance company, September 23rd of 09, a month later, I get sued. 400-page lawsuit comes to me, okay, from a 400-billion-dollar company, massive company. And they sue me and they sue five other people, which means we have to represent you. present five. It's not like they sue me only. We have to get legal for me. They want to make sure

everybody to please their savings and they scare the crap out of everybody and all the insurance companies didn't want to give me contracts. They're like, Patrick's got a big lawsuit. He's going to go out of business. At that time, I could have either sat there and taken it from the bully or I had to make sure

they also knew where we stood. We had multiple conversations. The moment they realized where we stood and And we were not going to take clients. We were not going to defame and start saying this and this and that and that and, you know, trashing them and all that other stuff. Nope.

I'm a guy that was going to wait to see what you say about me. Then I'm going to come at you heart. But if you don't say anything about me, I'm not going to say anything bad about you at all. We're good to go. We move on. So you finally said, look, man, if you don't say anything, we won't say anything. No problem. Good to go.

So we go. We roll. I don't at all talk about the company. I don't at all trash, nothing. If you go ask any of our sales guys, did Pat ever? trained on trashing other insurance company, they'll tell you, Pat's never trained on that. We've got 45,000 agents nationwide.

Then one day, I get a letter from the CEO of this company. A cease and this letter. There was an image going around on Facebook that a guy created named Tony, and he was comparing our comp to them. I don't like doing stuff like that, but he did this, and then it went viral. And the CEO sends me a letter,

and it's comparing our comp, and he says, well, you know, we just want to let you know we pay this much commission last year this much is this much that. And you need to have your designers not put this out there. And I'm like, okay, no problem. See, send this letter comes to my house. So now I'm getting ready to send a respond back to him with a letter to his home office. Then all of a sudden I notice 50, 100 people post that letter on social media from their company. And these are all leaders. So I noticed the letter wasn't just sent to me. He sent it to me and to all their vice presidents to say, we are not back in done and we're going to bully this guy.

No problem. Now I have to react. At 2.30 in the morning, I react with a letter I write, open letter, Facebook post that you got to go read. And I post the image. And I say, first of all, I want to say, whoever created this image, I want to thank them because it took us seven years to have a meeting together. I've received many different love letters in my life, but yours is one of my favorite love letters of all time. I thought this was only going to me. But since you chose to send this to every other leader in your company,

I figured it was better for me to write an open letter to you. And I went through the whole thing. I said, I noticed you golf three, four, five times a week at these two different country clubs. I noticed what your work is. I notice what you're doing. As a person who's a founder, we work at a different level. I've noticed your company got started in such and such year. The founder got their insurance license in 1977.

I was born in 1978. I wish I could sell insurance as an infant, but I couldn't. I got out of the Army and this and this on time. and I put that out there. That goes viral. One guy, he knows who he's and I know who you are, creates a burner account and starts acting like his name is this girl's name, and he accidentally switches account, his name post, and then he deletes it, so we knew exactly what this guy was he got caught. It was so embarrassing and beautiful at the same time. But you know what happened in that moment? Our company, after that post, grew 75% that year.

Because everybody in the company realized, you can't bully us. We will stand there. up. There's different ways to stand up. But if my kid, there's a kid in school that's bullying my kid, if my kid's being bullied, first step, you tell him, hey, don't do it. Second step, you tell a teacher. If he continues, you've been instructed by your dad to use your abilities of jujitsu to show him, don't do this again. And make sure you do when there's 20 people around because there are 20 people will be your publicists. They're going to go tell everybody and you will not be fighting while you're at the school. So there's these elements, where you have to stand up. If you don't, the bully's going to keep showing up.

I love the theme of, like, being a powerful dad and teaching your son powerful values. I know it was in an interview that you did recently. You were talking about how wealth goes away after a few generations and how you actually had a team that was studying Vanderbilt and a bunch of other generationally wealthy people to make sure that this doesn't happen with your family. What did you find out from these studies? And what strategy are you going to employ to teach the right things in your children to make sure that the wealth stays? Yeah. You know, This whole thing got started when I interviewed this guy.

I keep forgetting his name. So this guy, his job is to deal with families that are worth $100 million and higher to make sure their kids turn out well. That's his job. Think about what an interesting job that is. And he's in Seattle. Why is that important? Amazon, Microsoft, a lot of billionaires, a lot of hectarellers, definitely a lot of deca millionaires, right? And I said, what was the common theme you realized with when you got there to help the families?

this is Patrick, 99% of the time it's too late. They call me once their kid is already a drug addict. They call me once their kid is already a alcoholic. They call me after they already got their kids three Lamborghinis. They already gave them, you know, flying all over the place on a private jet. It's done. There's nothing you can do about it at that time. 20 years ago, I read a book called Ultimate Gift.

I don't know if you've ever read the book, Ultimate Guild, by Jim Stoball, who I believe is blind and deaf. He wrote this book, Ultimate Gifts, like 100 pages. I read it. I bought a thousand copies. I sold it to all my guys. I said, you guys all got to read it. This is the book of the month. The story is about a guy who moves to Texas, works for this guy, who when he dies, the guy leaves him the land.

And this guy, I think his name is Rex in the book or rent, something like that. The land that he gives to this employee of his ends up being a land filled with oil. So he strikes oil. So he becomes a billionaire. And when this guy becomes a billionaire, he's got massive accounts, companies, oil, thousands of employees, beautiful, big. house, properties all over the place, and then he realizes he's spoiled everybody. He spoiled his wife, his kids, everyone. His best friend is his lawyer of 40 years.

So he sits with his lawyer and he says, look, I want to do a couple things. He says, what's that? I want to make a video that I want you to play the day I die when everybody shows up to get their inheritance and I want you to play that video for them. So can we shoot that video together? He says, great. What do you think I should say in the video that make a list? And the old video starts, right? He's talking to them. In the video, he says, if I ever play this

video is because I'm dead, then he creates 12 other videos. So anyways, let me first tell you what the first video is. The day comes when he dies. Family shows up, his sons, his wife with two young men. And, you know, all these guys are showing up. I think his daughter with two young men. And, you know, all these guys are going, it's like, oh, they're smiling all this. Hey, hey, hey, and they're talking to the lawyer because the lawyer is the guy he trusted the most. And the lawyer knew everyone's drug addict, you know, habits, everything. Plays the video. Hi.

If you're watching this video, it's because I'm dead. Let me tell you what this is all about today. You're here, you're happy. You're probably smiling because you're going to get your inheritance. This is a big day for you. You see them to kind of feel like uncomfortable, but they're smiling. And he says, to you, my such and such daughter or son, I'm going to leave you my $600 million account that I have with, you know, my investments.

However, you're going to live off the interest. That money is not for you. My advisor makes all the decisions financially. You don't get to tell them anything what to do. The money is hopefully going to go to your grandkids if they behave and if you can show that you can manage this money well. To my other son, I'm going to give my real estate portfolio, whatever, half a billion dollars. But guess what?

The cleaners have more say about the house than you do. The property manager has more say than you do. It's kind of going through that. And he says, you're going to get this, this, this, the company. But you don't get to run the company. My board runs the company. You're not even the chairman of the board. It's just the shares.

And all of this is written with the lawyers. And they're going through, everybody's pissed off walking up, pissed off walking, up, pissed off walking out. And he says, to my nephew, I don't have anything to give you. But one thing, you're not going to get a car. You're not going to get a house. You're not going to get stocks. You're the only one here that I haven't spoiled.

You're the only one that has a chance at life. What I have for you is the ultimate gift. The ultimate gift is going to take 12 months for you to realize what it is. I have 12 videos I've created just for you. Every Tuesday, if you choose to find out what the ultimate gift is, you come in to my lawyer, my best friend's office, he plays one video, you watch the video, then he has 30 days of what you need to do. 12 months later, you get the ultimate gift and you see the nephew is like all upset, you know, pissed off. He says, you're probably not happy right now, and I understand.

And you're probably going to walk at it to see that he's walking. out. He says, however, son, I just want to tell you, you have a shot at living a fulfilling life if you choose to come back on Tuesday to find out the ultimate gift. That book motivated me. I was 25 years old when I read this book. 24 years old when I read this book. So this thought I've been thinking about for a while. And so when you think about some of these families that did it right, they spoiled their kids. They weren't there for their kids. They didn't manage their kids. They bought their kids love with gifts. You know, it's like, I don't buy gifts for my kids. If you ask my wife how many gifts I bought for my kids. I'm not a guy that buys gifts for my kids. I'll say

things like, hey, daddy, can we get that Lego? That Lego is 10 books. Hey, Daddy, can we get that video game? That video game is 20 books. Hey, Daddy, can we go buy the new FIFA? You finish Atlas Shrug? You'll get it. Hey, Daddy, I want to get a, right now, my youngest son picked up Fountainhead by himself. He's reading, he's on page 250 or something. He knows if they finish Fountainhead and a few other things. These guys have been working on this for two years. They're about to get their tree house. But the treehouse, they've been asking for four years. It's been four years until they get their tree house. What does the tree house if I buy?

10 grand, 20 grand, 50 grand? It's not a lot of money. I don't have a problem with that part, but I want them to earn it. Everything for me is with them busting their assets. My son's schedule every day after he gets off school. Three to four he swims. Four to five is soccer. Five to six is jujitsu.

Six to seven is baseball. By the time he comes home, he asked me a question the other night. He says, Daddy, do I have a busy schedule or is just a normal schedule for all kids? I said, that's very normal. He says, because when I talk to my friends, they don't have my schedule. I said, they don't want to tell you the truth. Everybody has this kind of a schedule. I said, but listen, here's what I will tell you.

So what's that? You're a bed David. I don't care what the Jones's schedule is. I don't care what the Jackson schedule is. This is the bed David schedule. Okay? And this is the schedule you're going to go on. But daddy loves you.

I'm here for you. We're going to celebrate victories. We're going to do this. We're going to do that. I think it has to be something you think about. But even with parenting, you can do everything right. And the kid can still screw up. You can do everything right.

they still have the choice to make. They can still hook up with whoever they want to. They can still choose to have sex without a kind of with a girl. They met out of club and get that girl. All of these things are still possible. They can still be tempted on one day. They're pissed off at their daddy. And they walk in and say, you're just too much.

My girlfriend is right. You are a capitalist. All you care about is money. That's your God. You don't love us. You could buy me this car. You could buy me the house like the other person is doing. But you are so cheap because all you care about is your money.

I know that moment is coming. I know it is coming, but I'm good with it. And I'm going to stand my ground because I'm banking by 2530 if they get through that ugly phase of hating dad. The three phases you've got to go through with your father. You idolize, you demonize, you humanize. I'm in the idolized phase right now. The demonized phase comes next.

That's not going to be pretty for me. But I have to be strong enough of a leader to be able to handle the next phase. So it's a tough job. But you never know what's going to happen. As long as you prepare early, you've got a fighting chance. Do you let them watch TV, go on the Internet, social media? How do you control that or do you? No, everything is structured.

My kids, so don't have a phone. All their friends have phones. They don't have phones. What are the ages of your kids? 11-9-72. Okay. In our house, when you turn six years old, you have to read 20 pages every day. Okay.

And the books, there's steps on what you go through next. And then when you have to read a serious books like, you know, whatever, that was something of fire or, you know, hunger, not a hunger games. There's a couple of these books like Harry Potter or, you know, some of these serious things that you need to go through for your imagination to kind of see the different stuff that's out there. And then you're going to read some real books when you're nine years old a thousand page type of books to kind of go through it. But video games, there's no iPad throughout the week. Zero. iPad throughout the week. Saturday, Sundays, if you have a C in your class,

there is no iPad at all ever. Zero. If you have one C, you get no iPad. Not on Saturdays. on Sundays. Nothing. So my son, one of them, has a C. Guess what? There is no iPad for him. However, Saturday, Sunday, you wake up this morning. My daughter woke up at 7 o'clock. She read her book. King Daddy, I read the book. Would you learn about it? Here's what I learned about the founding fathers. I learned that this. I learned that this president is this. Seven-year-old daughter. I said, great, baby. You can go play iPad for an hour, okay? Because she's made up all her assignments for the week. When it comes on to TV, TV, if you haven't read, you can't watch TV. Same thing. On the weekend. I pick movies, we turn on, we take turns on movies and all that stuff on what they can do,

and that's kind of what we do with it. Now, let me go to the C side. I need leverage to give my kids to get smarter and read the content and study the material that I want them to read. I'm watching my son, he hasn't played iPad for three months. And I'm like, you're wasting an opportunity because he doesn't have a desire to learn. He's just waiting for the C to become a B so he can play iPad. So we've got to figure something out of us.

Here's what we're going to do. For every documentary you watch that I choose, an hour documentary, you'll get 30 minutes on the weekends. And this is during summer season. So guess what? You watch 40 documentaries. You got some hours. But if you watch three documentaries this week, you got an hour and a half over the weekend.

So my sons have watched the entire man in the arena, captain, the last dance, Pele, all these documentaries, you know, the plane that went missing, JFK assassination. All of this stuff were their brain to be vibrating at what happened here? What do you think happened here? What do you think happened there? But that's the system we've created. You have to exercise. You have to take care of your body, but that's the system.

How do you balance between being a free thinker and entrepreneur who forges their own path or having a very structured outline? Because for me growing up, my parents were very much, you could do what you want to do. And we're not going to get in the way of that. If you decide that you just want to do nothing all weekend, you could do that. If you decide you want to be productive, you could do that. And I feel like that sort of freedom allowed me as an adult to do that. do what I thought was best in the moment, even if it's not structured or what everyone else is doing.

How do you balance the two? Yeah, that's good for you. Kudos to you for doing that. That doesn't work out most of the time with a lot of people. As an outlier, as an exception to the rule, it's great. Now, think about this. Give me one system that produced a lot of great leaders without any structure. Give me any system.

Hear me out what I say, like, if you're going to a place where they produce leaders, right? By the way, this thing is structure here, just so you know. Elon's got the whole system on what he's doing. He runs a show. Okay, last night, for things, nothing happened. I didn't even think about AV last night. And typically when I'm doing stuff, I'm thinking about, why didn't I think about AV?

Because things were squared away with him. He's running the show. He's telling people what to do. There's systems here. When we came in, the walk through, the preparation, the questions, they're systems. If you played under John Wooden, guess what? They're systems.

Bill Walton comes in as a hippie with a beard. And he says, hey, I'm not shave, my beard for nobody. John Wooden says, you don't have to, but I don't have to play you. Really, you wouldn't play me? I'm the number one prospect in the world. You ain't going to play. You can keep your beard, hippie. Goes back to practice with everybody else. Bill Walton gets on the bike, goes cuts his hair, his beard, comes back to practice. He starts playing. What did John wouldn't do to Bill? He gave him high expectation, high standards. Bill Belichick, high expectation, high standards. Military, high expectation, high standards. Jack Welch, high expectations,

bottom 30% of your employees every year. Elon Musk, you don't want to be at Twitter? 50% fire, 3750, go home. You still don't want to be at Twitter? The other $1,250 quit as well. Now we've got about 2,200 employees at the Tesla, at Twitter. Almost anywhere you go, where you see a person coming out with the level of discipline that others don't have, there was a person there with high standard, high expectation.

Kobe Bryant, when did LeBron become the beast that he is? Most people are, well, LeBron, you know, better, Michael, LeBron went to the Olympics, and they recruited Kobe to go to the Olympics. Go study LeBron after he went to the Olympics with Kobe, because he noticed Kobe was maniacal about his training. Nobody ever had the standards of Kobe, including Michael.

Michael had better God-given ability, but Michael wanted to party and do all the other stuff. Kobe was maniacal. Everybody who ever played with Kobe realized, This guy's a monster. Alan Iverson, one of my favorite players to watch. He tells a story one time. He says, hey, one time I'm playing against the Lakers.

I say, hey, Cope, what are you doing? Let's go to dinner. We go to dinner. And then Cope's like, what are you doing now? I'm going to go to the club. He says, I'll take you. He goes, drops him off at the club. Kobe does.

He says, where are you going? He says, I've got to go back to the gym to practice. Kobe's got five championships. A.I. has got zero. Okay. So, yes, a person like you can go out there and do what they're doing, but structure increases the chances. But I'm going to say this final thing.

And I turn it back over to you as the following. Don't assume our house, everything is structured. Everything is not structured. Don't think it's a setup where, hey, you better do this. You better do that. You better do this. You better do that. They're free to do a lot of things.

It's a system that you have on how you score points. YouTube doesn't tell you what to do. YouTube will tell if you create good content, good SEO, good lighting, good camera, good this, good audio. And you keep doing it consistently. going to reward you. Our family is the same way. We're the ultimate capitalism family. You do this, you earn this. You do this, you earn that. You don't. You don't. You don't. That's capitalism. You don't have to do it. You don't have to watch a documentary. You don't have to read the book, but you also don't have to play iPad. So there is that element of capitalism in the house where you got to earn or else you don't get.

I'm curious. What books do you recommend that every parent have their child read? Some of the books I have my kids have read, you know, my oldest has probably read 500 WhoHQ books. I was interested in buying Who HQ, the brand, which is owned by Penguin, they won't sell it. But I watch some of the stuff they add in Who HQ, which is politically motivated. And there's other competitors to Who HQ. I was going to buy another book brand that was out there. I will tell you, I like my kids to study individuals. So studying individuals.

They got to study the founding fathers. They got to study why America is the greatest country in the world. They got to study the musks of the world, the Tesas of the world, the Franklins of the world, the Lincolns of the world. I want them to study great leaders on what happened there, okay, with them, great presidents. I want them to study John F. Kennedy, Reagan, go study those guys. I'll tell you what happened the other day. There's a frame of my office. I don't know if you guys went into my office.

There's a book that's on the wall. And they sent me the book, and it's about a guy named Thomas Soul. I don't know if you know who Thomas Soul is. Thomas Soul is probably one of the smartest men we have in America today. He's 91 years old, 91, 92, 93 years old. Came up with Milton Friedman. I don't know if you guys know Milton Friedman is. Milton Friedman is maybe the greatest economist we've ever had outside of Adam Smith

and all these other guys. Milton Friedman was, if you want to really get into the space, go watch Milton Friedman with Phil Donahue. It's 43 minutes. And just watch that for yourself and you'll be fast. I think he's wearing a yellow coat or a yellow shirt. Incredible. If you go there and then you watch Thomas Soll debate, just type in Thomas Soul debate, it's an older Thomas Soul with glasses.

He's debating a lady. You'll go into the rabbit hole and watching this stuff forever. My kid, book comes in. He reads the Thomas Soul book, okay? I come home and says, Daddy, what are we doing? I said, what do you mean? What are we doing? I have to go make money.

So you have to go make money. Yeah, I got to go make money. I don't know how I'm going to go make money. I'm going to go and knock on the doors here in the people in the neighborhood. And I'm going to see how I can make money with them. So what are you talking about? He says, no, I got to go. As a capitalist, I got to go make money. But I can't take credit for him. I've never told him to go out there and find a way to make your own money. He read this book. So he goes out, comes back. Nothing happens sweating. It's 100 degrees outside. Next day, his brother joins him. And his sister joins him. So it's him, 11, 9, 7. They're out. And an hour later, somebody calls us. Hey, are these your kids? Yes. They're out here knocking on doors saying they want to find a way to make money. Do you mind if I teach them how to walk my dog? Because I need somebody to walk my dog. I said, no problem.

It's a 65-year-old lady. So they walk the dogs. They come back, sweat, totally sweaty, messed up. And they come back and they say, yeah, daddy, this lady gave us $20. I said, you gave you $20? Yeah. I told him, whatever you make, I'm going to match it. So if you make $20, you get $40.

I said, so what do we want to do with this $20? I said, who's the CEO of the company? He said, well, that's me, my oldest. I said, so what amount of this $40 do you want to pay yourself? He says, I'm going to pay myself, you know, 20 or whatever, okay? I said, what amount do you want to pay the second best employee? He says, no, Dylan, work really hard. I'm going to pay him 15 or whatever the number.

And Senator came, and she was supporting cast, and she was sweet. So we're going to give her $5. So she's all happy. We're doing a video, by the way. It's a great video. I take the $20, the first one, and I frame it in my office. I take a picture of them walking a dogs. It's in my office.

And I put the book, the first book that they read that caused them, influenced them to become capitalist. So for me, it's less about what brand book they read. It's who they read. If your kid reads Thomas Sowell, oh my God. If your kid reads innovators, creators, founding fathers of America, what these guys went through to create the greatest country in the world, that's going to inspire them in weird ways. These guys have read more books than I read. The amount of books my oldest son has read, I did not read until I was 28 years old. This guy's read 11 years old. Imagine the imagination with the same. kid on how, you know, how he's wired. So I think it's more names and individuals than it is like certain brands. How do you know someone is ready to have kids? Yeah, that's a good question. So to me, I think the wrong people are having too many kids and the right people are

not having enough kids. I think the wrong people are reckless when it comes kids. They don't think about it a lot. They're like, hey, government's going to pay me money or, hey, you want to have unprotected said, oh, shit, I'm pregnant. Oh, great. down versus the right people who overthink it, guys like you. It's like, well, you know, if we have a kid, it's going to cost us around $280,000

between zero to 18. And if we want to have three, that's about a million dollars. And if we're going to put them in our private school, for us, it's probably not going to be $2.80. It's probably more like $600,000. So, babe, if we're going to have this at 12% interest on this fund with American funds, investment company act, you're overthinking it, right? Where a guy like, you know how many kids you need to have?

Do you know how many kids you need to have? You need to have five kids. I was about to say one or two. No, no, no. See, a guy like you, I want to see a guy like you have five kids. Because I know you're going to, if they're going to be like you, we need more use in the world. But if you have one kid, you're screwing up the ratios. Think about what I'm saying to you.

The rate of the people who have money, who are resources, you're gentle. Just looking at your energy, you're an incredible father for a girl. Your girl's going to love you. She's going to be all over you. You're going to be like her hero for the. rest of her life, right? But one kid, two kids? Oh, man, we got to go back to having four, five.

My wife and I, and if we were, I'd have 20 kids. My wife would be pregnant every year and she'd have a three-month vacation every year of not being pregnant. And then you got your vacation, babe? You're done. Boom. Next one here. Next one here. We'd be going 20 years straight.

But, no, I think the right people need to have more kids and they're overthinking, having kids. And the wrong people are underthinking. having kids. So if we can get those ratios down properly, then society will be in a better place. So on the topic of the ESG ratings, I know that you said that when you sold your company, you had a really high rating. Now, did you do that methodically? What was your rating at the end? What is a typically good rating? And did you try to raise your rating before you sold the company? We should explain what that is if you wouldn't mind going into that. Yeah. So ESG, they score your company on environmental social governance. So how much

are you helping out with the environment, social, like how many women do you have on your board? How many gays do you have on your board? How many people from colored people, all this stuff? That's the, hey, do you want that score to be there? And then how much back are you given to environment? Just to tell you how pathetic this ESG score is. Is that a government agency? No, not at all.

It's a private. It's a private agency funded by some interesting people. There's an organization out there called Open Society Foundation, started by Soros, whom he gave $32 billion to, by the way. $32 billion. You can Google this to see how much money he's given to Open Society Foundation since I think 1994. The number is $32 billion. So ESG, you get the score.

Here's how pathetic ESG is. The score. Which company do you think has done more for the environment in America? Philip Morris or Tesla. Probably Tesla is what I would say. Tesla has a much lower ESG score than Philip Morris. Philip Morris has a plus rating. What a great environmental social governors company out there, Philip Morris.

Great job, guys. No, it's because Elon Musk thinks the S in ESG stands for Satanic. And he doesn't want to buy to the scoring system that the Soros and Fink and some of these guys in the world are doing. And Larry Fink is like, I feel ashamed. I think the word ESG is being weaponized. You do not feel ashamed. You know exactly what you're doing. You're running a company with $10 trillion dollars of assets under management.

You're crushing the EFT game. Of course, you're the one that's managing other people's money, but at the same time, you're influencing where that money goes to. You know, it's not like they're doing it. You tell them where the money is going into. Yes, you need some approval, but you get to do the influence. So for me, the ESG side that's a little bit concerning, is they are the largest shareholder themselves,

like Larry Fink, is Black Rock, State Street, and Vanguard. These three companies are the largest share. shareholders of 88% of SMP 500 companies. Let me say that one more time. You got 500 companies, SMP 500, 88% of those companies, their largest shareholder of those companies is either State Street, Vanguard, or BlackRock. Okay? So whose phone call do you think you have to pick up when they call you?

Black Rock, State Street, and Vanguard. Who do you fear if you're to seal those companies? State Street, Vanguard, BlackRock. You better answer those calls. Who are you going to hire? You're going to have to hire whoever they're going to want you to hire because you want the high score.

So now, let's go to other industries, Department of Defense, Raytheon, General Dynamics, Boeing, North of Grumman, three out of the four top shareholders in almost every one of those companies. Guess which companies they are? State Street, Vanguard, BlackRock. So the commander-in-chief is not who we think it is.

It's the CEO of Black Rock, Vanguard State Street. It's people like Larry Fink and George Soros. They have influence. We've always been like, oh, my God, look how rich. Is it good for a guy like Elon Musk to be as rich as he is? Elon Musk is nothing compared to what these guys are doing collectively together. They have got, I don't know how many people that have signed off to the numbers here. I think it's 60, something like that, or 51 people that have signed off to this to be part of the CSG community.

They have access to $66 trillion of assets under management. You know how much total money there is in the world circulating? You know, the total money? It's around $430 trillion. $440 trillion. They control $66 trillion of the entire world's wealth. When I say control, I mean influencing is what they can do. So when you're seeing some of these companies making the kind of decisions that they're making, you're asking yourself,

Why would they do such a thing? That is so stupid. You know, right now, if you wanted to go be nominated for an Oscars. I don't know if you guys know the data. They're nominating for Oscars. What percentage of your employees need to be part of a LGBTQ community? What percentage of your employees? Actors.

Editors. Cutters. A percentage needs to be from Native Americans, disability, LGBT, black. If you don't, you cannot be nominated, which means almost every single movie in the history of Oscars that won an Oscar would have never won with today's guidelines. That's how pathetic this is getting right now with the direction they're going to influence what you're going to be doing with whatever company or project you're running. Now you haven't said this explicitly, but I can kind of read between the lines.

If your theory on all of this turns out to be true, is this stuff that you're nervous to be saying online? No, I'm not nervous to be saying online. We know what happened to other people that potentially had knowledge. All I'm saying to you is the following. everything I'm saying to you, you need to go to your own due diligence. Type in 88% SMP 500, Black Rock, Vanguard, State Street. Are you okay with that?

That's what you got to ask yourself. For example, there's not a single other phone I want than an iPhone. I've had an iPhone since 2008, okay? I've had an iPhone since 2008. I love an iPhone. I love the iPhone, okay? If I look at what a droid looks like in an iPhone and I use a droid, I'm always going to come back to an iPhone.

Okay? If you're droid, what's the annoying thing about an iPhone person texting a droid person? Green. Green. When you're on a flight, I can't talk to you. Or if I'm creating a group text and you're a droid person, you screw the whole thing up.

Do you know I often think about not adding the droid person in the group text I'm sending? Because you're annoying me. I can't communicate with you. So watch this. They're now 58% of market share is this. The monopoly law in America is 50%. we don't have another phone company that's competing with these guys.

I was a diehard Nextel person. I love the Nextel. The Nextel Blackberry that they had was phenomenal. You know, the old Nextel, you guys are too young to remember, but there was a Nexel Blackberry. We need somebody to want to compete with this. We need others to want to compete with this. So if it doesn't concern, you don't do it. But if you have three companies that have influence in 50 different industries,

that ought to be something we should be concerned about, okay? Because they're going to be around for a while. The president's going to come in one term, two, term, eight years. There's not a lot they can be doing. But these guys are going to be around for decades. But for your own personal safety, you're not nervous about saying any of these things there, potentially. I'm not. I'm not for my personal safety at all.

Who do you think is the most powerful man on the planet? Some of those names I gave, I don't think it's the president. I think president is one of them. I think the people that run any of the virtual governments, they're for sure one of the most powerful men on the planet. Facebook, Zuck is on that list. You know, Elon is now on that list. I think the Google guys are more low-key, but they're also on that list on what influence they have.

Bezos is on that list with the control that he has. But it's the Finx, it's the Soros, his son Alex, that's going to take over. And then next come some of these guys that are the media moguls. You know, Rupert Murdoch is still on that list. It used to be Ted Turner, but Ted Turner is not running CNN anymore. When they sold time where they screwed him over, he should have kept running that organization. man would have been the most powerful man in America, if not a top five powerful man in America. But these are some of the names you have to be really, really careful with.

And by the way, think about how most people learn. What do you think most people learn about Oppenheimer? How do you think most people for the first time ever learned about Oppenheimer? You think they read a book on it? You think they went and studied Oppenheimer? You think pre the movie coming out, if you ask the average person who's Oppenheimer, they're like, Man, is that a beer from Germany? What is this?

No, no, it's not a beer. It's a guy that is the nuclear bomb. And Einstein, no way. Yeah, most people learn about Oppenheimer through what? A movie. Right. Most people learn about Howard Hughes through what? Movie.

Most people learn about, you know, a lot of these stories of people through movies. So you got to also put a lot of influence of these people that are making the movies and how they're feeding the messaging and persuading the younger generation that's too lazy to go read their own. because they're too much on TikTok and Instagram. So universities for people after they're done with high school and college, it's movies. So media's got a lot of influence. Whoever's telling the story has got a lot of influence over people.

So you've got to also give some kind of power to the people that are telling the stories. Couldn't that also be social media and what they decide to push and how their algorithms rank content? Yeah, virtual governments is what I said. You know, the social government to me is Zuck, Facebook, you know, Twitter, all those guys. They control the algorithms. You know, RFK just sued Google yesterday and YouTube for censoring him. So Kennedy right now, who's running for office, he's saying he's being silenced. They're taking his interviews down, et cetera, et cetera.

So no question about it. They're also some of the most powerful people. Kind of a random question, but do you think that you need to be a U.S.-born citizen to run for president? See, I actually don't know if I agree with that entirely. Because I think if we're basing it off of merit and what you can do for this country, limiting the pool of people from people like Elon Musk, from people like you, I don't think it's a productive thing. If you ask me the question and somebody says, you know, for example, I went to a restaurant in Beverly Hills. It's called crustaceans. My favorite restaurant in Beverly Hills that I would go to.

Crossations has two kitchens, okay? One of the kitchens, you have to be part of the on family to go in that kitchen. Okay. So they could hire you and there's a secret kitchen you cannot get into. Because they make this garlic noodles that you think they spiced it with every single addictive drug in the world. Because when you eat these noodles, oh my God, it's unbelievable. Right? No, you got to. By the way, you've got to go to. You got to go to.

We will. Cross stations. And now they have these cigar thing that they make that you eat with smoke comes out. And they got these crab legs that they make. And anyways, when you go to your walk and you say, what was this all about? insane, beautiful food. I respect a brand that says the recipe that's been passed on by generation is only if you're an on. You can't come in here and steal our recipe and go do it elsewhere. I salute it. I respect it. Everybody else that works here, you go in the other kitchen.

Is it a form of discrimination? A hundred percent. You are discriminating. So America can say, hey, you can only come in the kitchen here and make decisions for America at the highest level president if you're part of the on family. If you're not, we discriminate against other people that are born here. It is an element of discrimination. That is a discriminatory policy that they have in place. But I fully understand it. Now, if they wanted to kind of amend it or change it and, you know, you've been here for 35 years and, you know, now you can run, you know, you've had to serve, you've had to, you know, pay a certain amount of taxes. If you have to create jobs or certain ways, you've had to go get the degrees from this, this, that, or certain ways to get in there that you've contributed to

society, you've been a net positive to society to American ways others haven't been, then maybe you'll get the car to be able to run. But the concern for me is the following. There are people who love America way more, immigrants who love America way more than those who are born here. You know, a person who lost a father young, who sits with their best friend who's bitching about his father because he disciplined him too much. The friend says, can you please stop bitching about your dad that's challenging you who's alive?

I wish my dad was alive to discipline me. Stop complaining. Oh my God, you're such a cry, baby. I'm sick of your bullshit of complaining about your dad, right? And then that kid walks and saying, man, I'm so glad my dad is alive. What a perspective, right? There's an element to it.

There's too many Americans that are bitching about their dad that's alive where other countries wish their founding fathers cared about their country as much as they did. They wish. They wish. And these Americans are sinned. Well, I think I'm entitled to this. I think I'm entitled to this. I'm entitled to this. I'm entitled to this. You're a founder. You've ran a company before. You know what it is when you work your ass off for that money and you make that money. And as a founder, what do you do? If I'm going to buy 20 cases of this water for my office and they're going to say, well, it's $628. You know what? Here's $628. But if it's you spending that money, you're going to be like, wait a minute. What is Costco? sell a four. 542. Let's buy it from Costco. You go save that $80 as a founder. But one of your employees is going to be like, just pay the $628. Who cares, right? The founder's mentality wants to save the $80. You know what America is today? America is today filled with a bunch of spoiled brands who are spending daddy's money that they never made. How much debt do we have right now? Is it $32?

Yeah. $32 trillion. Why do we have $32 trillion? Because the kids, the grandkids, the great, great grandkids are using daddy's money, not caring at all who worked their asses off prior to them to make this money, make it the number one country in the world, so you have some good habits. But no, yeah, pay those guys this much money. Send 70 billion to Ukraine, even though Russia's annual budget is $65 billion. Who cares? Send it to them. Yeah, send this thing over here.

I think a little bit of people from America would be very interesting if Elon Musk was a president. You know what's interesting is that Jack mentioned earlier how wealth is usually squandered in three generations. And couldn't we say now that like Jack and I are almost that third generation of America and we're somewhat squandering it in a sense? That's what you're, that's a good point. Yeah. That's exactly the point. So for me, I think if, if, you know, one would wonder, like yesterday, if Yvick is speaking here, first, generation and you're hearing them sell America in a way that most Americans can sell America.

You know what's my simplest question I want to ask a candidate? Sell me America. Can you sell America? Sell America. Like if I ask you right now, sell me why somebody ought to create content on YouTube. You could sell it. If I said, sell me on the idea of making money at a young age, sell me real estate, sell me why I ought to be in a different industry. Most of these candidates don't even know how to sell America. They don't know how to sell America. How do you sell America? Sometimes to sell America property, you have to know what is the opposite of America. And the only way you know what the opposite of America is you have to have lived in another place. You have to have experienced what it's like to give a perspective. Somebody's not paying attention to it. So is it a law that I think

they'll eventually amend? I think they'll eventually amend it. Do I think it's going to happen next five, 10, 20, 40, 80 years? I don't know. Where do you think America went wrong? Because it seems like, for the most part, people are spending more time on drama, stupid arguments, petty things. Where do you think that began? Because it seems like from my perspective that there are much bigger issues at hand that people just don't care about. Yeah. They just ignore. So let me ask you this. So let's just say you got two kids and your kids are going to come and hang out with my kids of my house. They're seven, eight years old. Okay. What's the first question? you're going to ask from your wife about where your kids are going.

I'm not sure. What would you? Do you want to know who your kids' friends' parents are? Yes. Okay. What do you want to know about it? What do they do for work? Okay.

What else do you want to know? Where do they live? Okay. Maybe what they're teaching their kid. Okay. So let me give you which one of them gives you a red flag. Sure. Okay.

Yeah, babe, it's a good family. The mother is a teacher at a Christian private school in the community. And the dad is a real estate guy whose father was a senior pastor at XYZ. That's one family. Let me give you the next one. Yeah, they're raised by their father. It's interesting. It's a single father that's raising the kids.

And yeah, you know, so I think he runs a nightclub, one of the biggest nightclubs in Miami is what he runs. Yeah, so that's what he does. Okay. I'll give you another situation. Yeah. You know, the mother, one of the girls told me that the mother, you know, sometimes smokes wheat, you know, in the backyard and they've smelled wheat in the house before. But I don't know. Apparently she's sweet. Which one of those three families do you say, I'm a little bit concerned about the kids being there without me being there?

And which one are they like, okay, cool, let them be there. Probably the weed one I'd be concerned about it. The first one, I'd feel more comfortable. Okay. Why, though? I feel like they're probably more structured, more disciplined and would teach them. values that I think would be conducive to raising someone who's wonderful and I agree. Okay. So watch this. But you're playing odds. Yes. Are you converting to believe in Jesus because those guys are, you know, no, but you're

playing odds to see which one you're going to feel your kids being safer. Is it 100%? No, but you're playing the odds game, right? Okay. We went wrong the day we took God out of school. It's just period. We went wrong. Kids standing up praying, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation, under God, you know, invisible. We went wrong when that was gone. We went wrong when it's like, hey, let's wake up. Heavenly Father, thank you for this.

Thank you for this. Please give us the, you know, no, no, no, thank you for the nourishment. And today allow me to stay focused, to study and learn and get better with the teachers. Okay. There was nothing wrong with that. With us praying. Woodrow Wilson kind of messed it up a little bit. But taking God out of school was a big mess. Not because the fear was, well, I don't want my

kid to be a Jesus loving person? That's not it. There is a, the fear of God plays a very big role. One of the reasons why I didn't do, you know, as a kid, I did a lot of stupid things and I, you know, wasn't a kid that, you know, you would have wanted your kids to be around. But if there's one thing that worked, even though I didn't believe in God, I was afraid of God. Because my mother would say the one line, hey, listen, you can lie to me. You can get away with me not finding out what you're doing. But trust me, everything you do wrong, God is watching you. She probably said that to me a couple thousand times. So every time I was about to do something wrong, my mom's not going to find out, but God is watching, right? The fear of God prevented me from doing a lot of bad things. A lot of kids

are the same way as well. Now, some people don't say, well, that's exactly why I turned out so messed up, and I have anxiety and panic because there was the fear of God, right? Okay, fine. You can go and complain a bitch about your parents putting the fear of God in you, but I think it's more good than bad. So if we're playing the odds game, taking God out, massive problem. Massive problem. So think about this. You don't believe in God. You believe in God, but you don't have a God where it's like you don't Jesus or Christianity or any of that stuff, right?

Okay. So if you have to choose which are the two things to put in school and you have to have one of them, which one will it be? You ready for this technical question? Yeah. Would you rather have your kids have to learn about God and pray every morning and do pledge allegiance to the flag? but they don't get LGBTQ learning, you know, all the different sexes and all that stuff. Or would you take God out of school and add they have to learn about what it is to be gay, lesbian, bisexual, queer, trans, and they have to know at an early age because it's part of us being free and not being discriminatory. What should do is two would you want your kids to learn about and you have to give up the other one?

I feel like there has to be a balance because you don't want to be oppressive or let's say your kid is gay. don't want them to feel like they can't be accepted and they can't be themselves but at the same time there's got to be some sort of you got to pick one of them you got to pick one of them come on graham i don't i don't know man i don't so that's a problem but that's a problem yeah and the reason why that's a problem is the following thing um are you gay me no no what do i what do i need to do to convert you know what do i need to do to convert into being gay i don't think you you can you don't think i could convert you to being gay? I don't think so. Okay. Yeah. So let me ask you this. Uh, who converted you into getting a real estate license? I did. Who influenced you though? How did you

learn about real estate? Saw a TV commercial for a million dollar listing. Perfect. And that kind of got it in my mind. And you were influenced to be a realtor. You weren't born with wanting to be a realtor. Pingo. Yeah. Did you get it? Let me explain to you what I mean by this. Sure. Please. So stats came out. that shows which generation is the gayest generation of all. That's part of the LGBTQ community. Do you think you care more about what I think at this age or when you were 14 years old? Definitely 14.

No problem. Me too, right? So do you think it's easier to convert you in a way of thinking at 14 or 33? 14. Of course. Right. Right. Right. Okay.

I became a Christian because somebody talked to me about it. I got into insurance because somebody influenced me to get into insurance, okay? I got into bodybuilding because I was influenced by Arnold Schwer. I went to Santa Monica Community College because I was influenced because that's where Arnold went. Influence. Somebody influenced you, right? Four generations, five generations. Traditionalist, you got the boomers, millennials, Gen X, and you got Gen Z. You ready?

Traditionalist. 0.8% of are gay. 0.8% of traditionalists are gay. Boomers, 2.6%. Then you go to 5%. Then you go to 10%. You know what percentage of Gen Z identifies as LGBTQ? 21%.

21%. So who do you think cares less about what you and I think? Traditionalists or Gen Z's? Traditionalists. You think if you and I are 70 years old and we're gay, do you really think you and I care about what other people think? What do you think? No, you're coming out.

You ever seen a grandma or grandfather drop F-bonds? And it's like, get your butter out of my... Because I'm 10 years away from living and dying. Like, I don't give a shit what you think about me. But if 21% of Gen Z is gay, they're being influenced, just like you were influenced to be a realtor, just like I was influenced to go into SMC, influence. That's a problem.

So the fact that you, a very smart guy, a super successful guy at your age, cannot tell the two apart, that means you're not really putting a lot of thought into what's going to influence who. Because God, faith, that's going to influence you to do what? Completely different thing. Don't you think that some of that, though, is a bit of that overall people are on,

somewhere on a spectrum. And if you're, let's say, a two out of ten or a three out of ten, that maybe you're more open about that, whereas in other generations you weren't, and perhaps it's somewhere in the middle. No, I think LGBTQ is a religion, and you choose which religion you want to be in front of your kids. Okay. You choose, if a person is gay, you're eventually going to be gay.

You're going to be gay. You're not going to be, if you're going to do what you're going to do, like, for example, I thought about, I interviewed a guy who was a negotiator, FBI agent, who would sit down with people that killed, that were, you know, murderers that killed their own family members. And I said, so what gets somebody to get to the point of wanting to do something like this? And he explained how there's a difference between what you're born with, what your influence with, and then to take the action, right? There are some people that are born who are dark human beings, period, that they enjoy it. They're born that way.

You know, if you look at the Iceman, I don't know if you've ever seen interviews of the Iceman. Have you ever watched interviews of Iceman? Yeah. That guy is cold. and he enjoyed what he did. What percentage of the world is like that? What would you say? 0.1%.

Okay. So are we going to say, no, he was influenced to be that way. There had to be a darker person in his life to get him to be that dark. No, he's born that way. Okay. Are some people porn gay, maybe? Maybe. Okay.

But if we take a thousand gay people, what percentage of them are gay because they were born gay? What percentage of them are gay because they were influenced to be gay? Or life influenced him to be gay? That's a real question we have to talk about. I understand it's a very uncomfortable thing. I think it would be just attraction. Like I am attracted to certain people and a certain type.

I'm not attracted to another type. No problem. So I feel like that would be the same thing with gender. It's like if you're attracted to men or women, that would be... Graham. Yeah. Do you think you need to learn how to give a blowjob to another boy at 11 years old? No.

That book is in schools recommended teaching by many teachers in America. Do you think that's a problem? Sure. Do you think it's a better usage of my time? time to learn how money works? Yes. Or how to please another boy at 11 years old. Right. So then you have to decide your values and principles between the two. I think these values being taught to kids, are kids typically more liberal or conservative? Liberal. Liberal. Are you kidding me? I'm all liberal. Let's try drugs. Let's try this. Let's break the law. Let's break this. Hey, let's sneak into the

swimming pool and have the cops chase us. Hey, let's test this out. We're liberal, right? So we don't need to teach more liberal policies to kids. They're going to do shit. We're going to do stuff. We need to balance it out with what? With this. Okay. So now watch this. Do you think rich, greedy people who have a lot of money? Do you think they need to be taught more conservative stuff or more this stuff? Liberal stuff. What do you think? Do you see how this is working out? So to me, it's the other way around. I think we've mixed it up. So be under saying, this guy's 28 years old. He's gay. No problem. I've got plenty of gay employees. Have plenty of lesbian leaders. in my company, plenty of them, and see how my relationship is with them.

You chose to do that as an adult. Salute. A couple of them were here yesterday. Just watch how they hug me when they see me. We love each other. We have an incredible relationship. Then later on we need to learn and say, hey man, can you be a little bit kind to these people? Dude, relax.

They just see things in a different way than you do. All good. I think we need to give conservative values to kids when we're liberals. And I think we need to inject a little bit of this when we're always. successful to be a little bit more understanding. I think the education is out of whack. You know, maybe the LGBTQ stuff can be taught to people that are older to be a little bit more gentle to them.

But you're asking a question. I'm going to go back to God is one of them. What's being taught in schools is one of them. Not enough money. Finances is one of them. The way we turn our heroes into who the hero making machine is in America is a problem. Today we recognize complainers. Today we recognize who posts more naked pictures.

on social media, guess the most likes. Today, we recognize that more than somebody like you is responsible, makes his own money, works his tail off. You seem very kind. You seem humble. You seem likable. Yet you're doing your research. Yet you're willing to talk to people.

So we've confused kids on who the hero today's. Oh, my God. Poor person. Look at this person. They came out of the closet at 14 years old. Let's do 28 articles on them. But that 14-year-old kid who made $28,000 independently at, whatever, it's not a big deal. But let's highlight this person. What are you doing? Which one do we need

more for society? More people coming out of closet or more 14 year olds that are making $28,000 on their own. We're turning the wrong people into heroes and it's confusing the F out of kids. So to me, those are things that we've been doing that's kind of messed up America a bit. How do you decide who is welcome on your podcast versus who isn't? You've had a lot of controversial people. I saw recently had Anthony Wiener on who had sent sexually explicit photos. to a minor, if I'm not mistaken. How do you decide what is crossing the line versus what is? I have to be interested in the story of the individual. If I'm not interested, I'm not interested. So, for example, if you talk to Sam and you ask how many people have given us offered $100,000,

to be on the podcast, we would never do it. Okay. You're not going to give us money to be on the podcast. Because I know I'm lying to the audience and I'm going to be fake because I don't care about your story. I have to be interested in you. If I'm doing it because I'm doing a favor or you paid me money, I'm forgetting who the priority is. You have to make sure you're honest and straight up with your audience. So Alex Jones and then Jank, those two guys hate each other. When I ask Jank, would you ever do a podcast with Alex Jones?

Oh my God, absolutely not. No, no, this. Anthony Wiener, then I'm bringing a Catholic priest. Okay, Chris Cromwell, then I'm bringing a Catholic priest. then I'm bringing, you know, Jordan Peterson. So to me, I've interviewed Sammy the Bull Gravano. He killed 19 people. You kidding me?

Like, what's he doing there? I mean, what do you interview him for, right? I want to know motives. I want to know why you think the way you do. I want to know what influences you to think you're that right about your philosophies and ideas. What got you to the tipping point of make the decisions that you made? But my best guess are the people that I'm interested in their stories.

And I like misunderstood people. I like complicated people. Yeah, I'm typically interested in complicated and misunderstood people. And Anthony Winner, a different story. When he came in, we were having a podcast prepping a bag. And I said, look, guys, he was pitched to me by my producer. And he had a book coming out. I said, yeah, I'd love to talk to this guy for one reason,

not because of I'm interested in him. I want to know your wife was Hillary Clinton's writing. right-hand person. This is a person that knows everything about Hillary Clinton, good, bad, ugly. And I'd say very complicated individual, Hillary and Bill, I want to know about these guys. So for me, I want to, because I'd like to interview Bill and Hillary Clinton. And publicly, I tweeted out and I said, I'd like to publicly extend an invitation for Bill and Hillary Clinton to be on the podcast. You know, over the years, your legacy, you're known as the most powerful couple in history of politics in the last 50 years. And there's a lot of rumors about you.

and there's a lot of things said about you. Whether true or wrong, I want to discuss it. If you're open to it, let me know. And boom, we've got a bunch of commentary. Pat's not suicidal. Pat's not this, Pat's not that. I want to talk to the Clintons. I want to talk to some complicated people in the world.

I want to have these conversations with Maduro. I want to sit down and talk to some of the folks from Iran because it's complicated. But we're sitting in the back about Anthony Wiener. And I said, look, if he's respectful, we'll have a respectful discourse. but if he's disrespectful and he wants to, you know, come in and pig and wrestle and all that. I have no proud wrestling with a pig for two hours. I'm all game.

You know, we'll have a good time. And obviously, I don't know if you've seen it or not. It was a very intense conversation from beginning to the end because he came in disrespectful. And then let's play ball. And it was a blast. We had a good time to get it for two hours. I love that philosophy. And I wish I could expand on that more.

But I appreciate the fact that it's just about satisfying your own curiosity. Oh, yeah. Who would you like to talk? to and there are certain people I would love to talk to, you know, Martin Schrelli, for example, but I know he's very controversial. And bringing him on, some people could say, oh, you're platforming somebody with this ideology. It's like, no, I want to see. Very interesting. I know. That's, I think you'd be very interesting. Yeah. But I am concerned. I would watch it if you guys did it. Okay, we're going to, we're going to try for it. Yeah. I would watch it. Yeah. But I think he

could be a very misunderstood person, but having him on and are you kidding me, you know what things he can teach about Big Pharma? Yeah. You know what things he can teach about how if he was able to charge it for $5,000 or whatever he was doing. What can he leak about? What about the patent laws? There's so many different good questions. So I ask a guy like that. Where do you draw the line in terms of your guest? Is there a guest you would not choose to have on?

I'm trying to think who I wouldn't. Like give me an idea of who. Give me a white supremacist for example. And I'm not interested in that, you know. A full-blown like a KKK, the hat on all of that, I'm not interested in that. I'm not interested in that. Who else? Ask me who.

Guys, I've had a lot of people that people would say you should have never had that person on. Every time I have a guest politically, the other half is upset with me. Every time. I can't believe you had them on. I can't believe you had them on. But now we've had so many people from the left and right on that they're both eventually they're immunized. They're like, listen, this guy's going to have them on. We can't tell them what to do. Say like a cartel leader. I would have them on. Absolutely. Absolutely. I would interview, I would absolutely interview a cartel. Are you kidding? You know the types of people I interviewed in the mob and cartel? Those are some of my favorite videos of these, by the way.

And I love those interviews. First time I called Sammy the ball. I'm like, Sammy, who the fuck is this? This is Patrick. Are you the guy that did that interview with Michael Francise? And you put the title, Mafia boss. You know he was never a mafia boss. He was a copo.

What the f you're doing? If you're going to do, I'm the only person that interviews me as a professional like Diane Sawyer. Three hours later, me just listening to him. I said, Sammy, can we just meet face-to-face? Let's have a meeting. If you're comfortable, then let's do an interview. Let me think about it. Nine months later, I'm in Phoenix.

We go to this building. I'm walking all the way in the back. And we're like a warehouse type of place. And we sit there for three hours. And he just talking, talking, talking, talking, talking. He said, okay, I think I'm ready. Let's do the interview. Then we did the interview.

And then boom. 20 million views. I think it's at 19.5. 20 million views today. But, yeah, I'll definitely interview cartel leaders. I wanted to get your reaction to this clip before we end. This is a bit more of a current event that we're going to be posting early. This is a clip from Mia Khalifa.

And she said that if you marry the wrong person early, there should be no shame in getting divorced. If you're with the wrong person, get divorced. And this clip is going viral. And it's this, if you haven't seen it. I have not seen it. Married at 18, divorced at 21. Second marriage. Married at 25, divorced at 28.

Third engagement. Engaged at 29. ended it at 30, but I kept the ring. I'm still keeping Tom Brady on his toes. We should not be afraid to leave these men. We are not stuck with these people. Marriage is not a sanctimonious thing. It is paperwork.

It's something, it's a commitment you make to someone. But if you feel like you're not getting anything from that commitment and you're trying, you got to go. to go. You have to go. I know it's difficult to fill out paperwork and to make appointments and to do all of these things, but this is your life. Do you want to be stuck with someone? Period. Do you want to be stuck with someone? Who's, is this girl the, is she the porn stock? Okay. Yeah. It depends on what she's saying here on a couple different things. One. One of the most important books I read on relationship was 101 questions to ask before you get engaged. I read this book and

the woman I thought I wanted to marry I was like no that's not what you're looking for you want this like wow I had 101 questions like 54 them were important to me so then I was talking to four girls at that time I gave them all the books and I said I need you to read this book and let's have a meeting together to go through the answers

I knew three then wasn't going to work you out my wife and I had a six hour meeting with that book and then I'm like okay cool let's date for a year and a half then I'm gonna marry this girl we date for a year and a half we have a bunch of fights And then eventually I'm like, no, I'm going to marry this. But I knew after I read the book, this could be somebody I can invest my time into. But most people don't marry based on values and principles.

Most people marry based on nice breasts, based on a beautiful butt, based on a beautiful face, based on an incredible chemistry in the bedroom. Sex was great. You went to a nightclub. You dance good together. You have a blast together. You laugh together. All of that stuff aren't the reasons to marry. Okay.

Those are great reasons to date. I dated two girls whom one of them, I knew from the beginning I was never going to marry this girl. And by the way, I loved this girl. We had an incredible time together. But I knew we were never going to marry each other. Did we have fun? Unbelievable fun. Did we do crazy things together?

Out of control. Was it a blast? Yes. Yes. Was I going to marry her? No. Was she going to marry me? No.

Eventually we sat down and we said, look, this is not working out. and I want to get married and I don't think we're going to be together. I said, I'm not going to date anybody until you date somebody first because I want to be respectful to you. Boom. She goes date somebody first.

I said, now you're dating, boom. Now I got nump and I started dating. Another girl I was dating. Eventually, one day, after being together for two and a half years, we had the awkward moment. Sex is amazing. We're having a lot of fun.

We're like two kids. You would see us, you know, you'd see us at Venice speech. She's on top of me. You were just wrestling. We're having a blast. We're laughing. Of course, we're having a fun.

and some couple unfortunate events happened that, you know, took away life out of the relationship. And we lost a lot of momentum. But it got two point one day. By the way, I'm an atheist at the same when I'm dating this girl. One day I'm like, I want to know if we're together because we actually have substance and things to talk about. Or if it's sexual and fun. I said, look, I want us to go a month without sex. And she says, what?

See, I want us to go a month without sex. Are you joking? No, I'm serious with you. You're joking. There's no way can do this. I don't know if I can do this. I'm saying, let's try to see if we can do it. To see what we do late at night, great.

First time we go out, hey, movie's done. At an expedition, you want to drop you off. You got to realize my pants, they're about to blow up. I mean, I'm like ready to do something with her. I'm like, babe, we got to spend some time. I'm freaking on fire with testosterone, and I'm a high testosterone type of guy. And I'm dropping her off and I'm just cursing myself out. You're the hell is wrong with you.

Or man, you should have done. this next night same thing next night same thing two three weeks later we don't have anything to talk about I'm like great relationship I don't know if we can be married should I say let's go to church together see if we can figure something out here are you being religious no I'm just trying to figure out if I want to get married you want to get married to me no yeah I want to get married to you I got a ring but I don't know if we can make it work I don't know what marriage is all about we need something to have a basis and we go to church one time

So uncomfortable for her. I'm like, I'm not going to make you do this. And eventually we broke up. She's happily married. She's got beautiful kids. We're still in contact. I'm very happy for her. And the other one is also happily married.

Got kids, all that stuff. Why is this person getting all these eyeballs? A porn star is getting, who cares? She's saying some opinion that people want to hear, apparently. Is that you can break a marriage? In her space, what is marriage in her space? There is no meaning in marriage in her world. Why should even anybody react to that?

video. You're talking about a porn star who goes around and marriage after marriage after marriage in that world, what is the basis? What is the standards? I think the worry is that she is teaching people that getting married is not that big of a deal and if it doesn't work out, just divorce. Also, you don't like that? What do you think about that? I think in a sense, well, my parents are divorced. I think if the marriage is not working, I think it takes two people to equally want that marriage to succeed. And I feel like if one person doesn't, or if one person has checked out, one person gets addicted to drugs and there's nothing that could be done, I think there are a circumstance, or cheating, I think there are certain

circumstances where divorce, I think, is the right choice for people to separate. So do you think she is potentially influencing others to leave their husbands? Do you think she's potentially doing that? Yes, I do. You do? Got it. To a certain degree. Got it.

And do you think that's bad to influence? I think if someone's influenced by that, they're. they probably shouldn't be together to begin with. So, but I think, do you think she's also influencing some other girls to maybe not be doing the stuff that they're doing and now they're leaving their husbands and be reckless? Who cares if marriage doesn't work out? Go have your fun, live your life.

It's about you. Do you think she's influencing some young girls to ruin their lives? Yes. Possibly. Prossibly? Graham, you're a smart guy. It ain't possibly. She is.

He's a diplomat. Okay. He is a diplomat. But he's kind of getting in his own way instead of just, being straight up with it. You know you're right. It goes back to my point. Okay.

Where the wrong people are becoming heroes. And they're influencing and converting and baptizing younger generation to live dumb lives. That's the problem. We are turning the wrong people into heroes. So if that person has that kind of influence, do you want even more of that influence in schools, in high schools? in junior high schools? No.

You're validating my point from earlier on on why the content we're teaching in our schools is ruining our younger generation by confusing the hell out of them. And that girl right there is a hero today to many people because she's getting the eyeballs. Now, what would happen if she all of a sudden came out and she says, I've lived a terrible life,

I've made a lot of dumb decisions, I've been selfish my entire life, I've changed my life, I'm now going to church. I've found God or you want to live a different kind of a life. I'm no longer drinking. I'm no longer smoking. I'm no longer doing drugs.

I want to figure right away to be a mother one day because I want to invest into something that's got a high rate of return and I want my daughters to be proud of me. I'm not proud of my past, but I want to change and I want to set the example for my kids to know that even a person like me one day can choose to change, so can others. There is an element of hero-making machine in that story. We need more of those stories, not these steps.

of stories. Thank you for being so gracious with your time as well. This has been absolutely incredible. And thank you for your generosity. You invited us last night to this amazing event. I mean, that was incredible with Vivek. So that was great. And I just got to say thank you very much.

Anytime you guys keep doing what you're doing. I like your style. And I'm excited to see what you guys do next. And when you do, do the interview with Martin, make sure you let me know. I want to see. I'm looking forward to that. We could do this every year. We could plan for this time next year.

I look forward to. I'm going to be in your city in two days. That's right. Cool. Sounds good. Thanks, guys. Thank you, guys. Thanks, Seth.

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