The Iced Coffee Hour - RESPONDING TO HATE COMMENTS

Episode Date: June 30, 2022

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Welcome back to another episode of the Ice Coffee Hour. And today we got a really interesting episode because we're going to be doing a few things. One, I got a gift for you, Jack. It's something we have to talk about. It's a bit of an issue, but I did get you something. An issue? Yeah. Two, we have to talk about the Macy proposal.

Because we never followed up with it. We talked about it before. Oh, my. We never talked about that exact day. And lastly, we have to finish off with responding to some of the hate comments. We had somebody screenshot, a whole bunch of them. We have no idea what they said. But I see every now and then we get a few nasty ones.

They've been brutal. It's been really bad. So we're going to be reacting to them. So first, Jack, let's talk about this. You desperately need a haircut. It's really bad. You really sound like my mom. No, but it's true.

From your guys' perspective, it may be true. But I'm not trying to appeal to you guys. Okay. Now, I'm trying to appeal to like 23 old women. And I think that this haircut is a hit. By the way, speaking of appealing to 23. year old women. On the last podcast, did you see the highly voted comment of some girl who wanted to take Jack on a date? Wait, really? Yeah, no, pull it up. A highly voted comment. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

On the top comment. The top comment. You got like 300 up votes. Oh, wow. Yeah, read it. Taylor Rose. Oh, I liked it. I'm 22, started my own business, barely finished college. Where could I send him to go on a date with Jack? Let's film the first date to see. Come on. Dude. Really? Oh. So anyway, yeah, I don't want to get too off topic. So we got that, But Jack needs a haircut, agreed. Kayla will probably agree with me. I think it's charming. It makes me stand out. I'm very unique, you know, with this haircut.

And I think it's a net positive. Although, yes, you could argue I do look like a slob, you know. I look like I'm unkempt. Unkempt. I can reassure you. I am kemped. And I think it's a, you know, it's a unique look. You got the trucker hat on and it looks like a mullet.

So now you're a trucker hat mullet guy. Look at you. Trucker hat mullet, man. Yeah. That sounds pretty cool. He said Mullet Guy. Oh. Well, a chuck or hat.

Molot guy is pretty cool too, I think. So. And you know, Mollett are actually making a comeback. So you guys, your hairstyles actually might be out. Well, Jack. I got you a little something. Oh. Thank you.

Because you refuse to get a haircut, we have to make some improvements. Trimmers. So, uh, yeah. What is it? It's a hat. Oh my God. I love this. Holy cow.

Okay. It says the man. The myth, the legend. I think this is perfect for me. This is amazing. Yeah, it's a trucker. He knows you like trucker hats. Yes.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, I got a flex. You used to wear these like, oh my God. I actually like it, though. That's the thing and it fits. I think I think it looks good. I need to grow up my mullet longer. It only makes sense.

What was interesting is that you used to wear like a baseball cap. Yeah. This orange baseball cap all the time. Yeah. And then out of a sudden, all of a sudden you get this trucker hat out of nowhere. And Graham and I noticed ever since you got that hat, that's the only hat that you wear.

Why is the trucker had such big talk, man? You know, it's a good hat. I like the hat. I made it at my cousin's bar mitzvah. To tell you the truth, that's what I did. And I just like the hat. I think it looks nice.

You know what? That hat reminds me of Roman Atwood. Do you guys see he recently started a podcast? Yeah. Yeah. And I watched it. I like it. I like the fuzzi one.

Yeah. I listen. I love the fuzzi one. They can clean up their angles a little bit. So there's a. There's more competition out there. I've noticed that everybody is getting into podcast. Yep.

And, you know, I don't want to say we were early. Honestly, we were kind of late. Yeah, we were late. But now in retrospect, it's like those things where when everybody's like, well, if I had just started a YouTube then, you know, and then like it keeps going, keeps growing. So I think it started a good time. But yeah, everybody's starting a podcast. And what I said last episode with Daniel Mack turned out to be very true. I said people listen to us when they're driving or when they're at the gym.

And we got so many comments of people saying exactly what they were doing while they were listening to the podcast. And like probably 40% of them were a gym and then like 45 were driving. Yeah. So it's true. It holds true. So if you're at the gym or you're driving, what's up? Yeah. There's going to be a lot of podcast.

I think because it's sustainable in a way that you can't just keep making these like over the top videos all the time. For a podcast, it's sitting and just having a conversation. And I think more people are catching on to that. It's also very genuine. I mean, we shared that you were engaged on here before you mentioned anything, like anywhere else. Yeah, my parents even found out from the podcast. You're joking. I'm kidding.

Oh, my gosh. That sounded like something ground. When did you tell your parents? Because I remember when we spoke about it on the podcast for the first time, you said you had not told them yet. Yeah, it was a few days before. A few days before. Is it? Yeah, about a few days.

Five days before. Well, people comment that Jack was upset that I didn't propose to Jack. I saw that. And watching that clipback with that comment, it looks like you were too excited that he was proposing to you. And then that you were sad that it was in truth. I just thought it was a big deal. To be honest, I thought it was a really big deal. And I was shocked because I knew that you were planning on doing it this year.

But it just, I feel like it came by so quickly. Yeah, it did. But for those that want to know, the proposal went very smoothly. Graham did a great job. Macy said yes. And we couldn't see a single thing from the Gron. So we were all talking in the last. podcast. Alex had mentioned you got to get a picture of it so that that way like you get the moment.

And I thought, great idea. So I told Alex and Jack that could go down to the Santa Monica Pier, get out the telephoto lens and like try to get us at the top of the Ferris wheel. And so I tried so hard to make sure that we were like, I tell you exactly which cart we were in. We were in. Yeah, we got you. Yeah. Which cart you were in. We were like, we had this super long lens and we were able to see. But the problem was that the way that the angle was like, It was like, initially when you and Macy were like sitting across from each other, we could see you guys. But then Macy did the unexpected guys. She went over to Graham's side.

And then we lost sight of everything. And Jack and I rushed over to go meet Graham at the bottom of the Ferris wheel after because we're like, oh, we'll take some pictures like by the arcade, you know. We're at this, you know, a little fair at the pier. And Graham just text me. Yeah, we're heading to the restaurant. We didn't see you. I cannot believe you left without us, by the way. I thought you were going to wait for us because you knew.

The restaurant's walking distance. We were a little bit further out on the pier, and we were trying to get some beautiful photos and videos for our lovely future groom, Graham. And you came off the Ferris wheel and immediately left. You booked into the restaurant. You shared your GPS location. You were like halfway up the pier, like right after you got off. I was like, we hung out afterwards. We were going to run over and celebrate.

We hung out afterwards. We were at the bottom for a little bit, maybe a few minutes. And like I looked around, didn't see you guys. And I didn't know it would ruin the surprise if you guys like show up. We were meeting her family afterwards. We were going to see you guys. I know, but she's seeing her family. So maybe she's like, oh, it's more.

I think you guys ran a little late. So maybe her family was also waiting. I assumed that, you know, how to get up there. But yeah, so walk us through now that you've done it. Yeah. How did it feel that day? How did it feel, you know, going through it? Were you nervous?

I was nervous leading up to. I honestly thought there's nothing to be nervous about. I was like, why? Why would it be nervous? I knew the answer was going to be a yes. I knew she'd be very excited. And I knew it was coming. So, like, I didn't have those nerves.

Except the day of, just because I was only nervous because I didn't want anything to go wrong. So I was really scared that like, what if we go down to the pier and the Ferris wheel isn't going? Or like, it's out of order. Then what do I do? What if we go down on the pier and like we run into you guys? Then it's going to be obvious. Or as we were walking down to the pier, her parents were at the restaurant. And it was across the street.

So I was like diverting her attention. Be like, look at the ocean over there. Look at this building. What do you think this? So I was like, just, because I'm so afraid she'd look over and like see her family. She'd go, what are they doing there? So all the things that could go wrong, that's what I was nervous about. But it was good.

And then on the Ferris wheel, I wanted it to stop at the top. And it kept going around and we weren't stopping at the top. Like, what if this is the one time it doesn't stop at the top? And, like, we have to go on again. Like, would that be too obvious? So I didn't get the very top, but I got like the notch to the top. And, yeah, it was good. Did you cry?

No. No. Did she cry? She, she teared. Yeah. She did a tears. Yeah. I was going to say, I forgot to ask her.

Yeah. Yeah. She did a thumbnail face. But in real life. But in real life. Yeah. Well, I got to see, man. We're happy for you.

I can't believe it. And I think everybody also is wondering, do you know when the wedding's going to be? It's going to be a ways off just because we're both busy. We don't have to think about it like right now. But, yeah. Big wedding, small wedding. Expensive wedding. Oh, gosh.

Paying for your friends to come out there type of wedding? I'm not a big wedding person. So, like, I would, if it, if it left to me, I mean, just like a few people. But I don't know. It's up to her. I'll let her make the decision on that. Well, Kelsey went to go look at wedding dresses today. Oh, yeah?

Yeah, I told her not to get too excited. Why the cost? Yeah, I don't want. She told me how much one cost that she was looking. She told me, you know, we'd rather not say yet. That's what she told me. So how much do you think is appropriate to spend on the wedding dress? Max?

This is like you find a dress that you absolutely love. You have to have it. Thousand bucks. Max. Okay. How much do they usually cost? I don't know. Like, there's boutique stores, but there's also, like, online.

You can also actually rent wedding dresses. Because the thing is, a lot of people will spend thousands of dollars on this dress and then keep it in their closet for who knows how long. And, yeah, it's cool if you want to have it. But sometimes you can rent, like, a really expensive dress for, like, a couple hundred bucks, and you don't have something sitting in your closet. What if you made the wedding dress? Boom, YouTube video.

Boom, it's also sentimental. Boom, it's also cheap. You could do that. It's your time. It's the time. You know how much time that would take? Like, I'm not, I don't sew day to day, so I'm not as fast. Alex, you could just get a bed sheet, some confetti.

Go buy some potatoes and remove them from the sack. Potato paper wedding dress. Just don't get a wet. That's viral content right there. Yeah, right. Well, how much do you guys think is appropriate to spend on a wedding? I have no frame of reference. Yeah.

I have no idea. Yeah, like I said, I think that's like the tippy top, but there, I know, she told me that there were wedding dresses there. That I think the range at that particular store was between like one and a half and $8,000. So $8,000. The bottom of the range was already too expensive. Well, there's a, there's a cheapest one there is over budget. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, you know, you can.

The returned items. You can haggling. Now, what about pre-owned? Yeah, pre-owned. I'm okay with that. Actually, I think that's a great way. like to get a wedding dress. Amazon presents Jeff versus Taco Truck Salsa,

whether it's Verde, Roja, or the orange one. For Jeff, trying any salsa is like playing Russian roulette with a flamethrower. Luckily, Jeff saved with Amazon and stocked up on antacids, ginger tea, and milk. Habaniero? More like habanier, yes. Save the everyday with Amazon. What if you resold it? You just got a super nice one,

weren't for the writing, which returned it. Like, how about that? But at that point, you're better off, well, no,

you're better off renting it, yeah. That's the ethical thing. Yeah, you should rent it. Yeah, Jack. I've never worn something from a store

and then returned it. Have you done that? No, no, God, no. You. Probably. You know what?

At least you're honest about it. What do you think it was? Jackets. So H&M had a very liberal return policy. Oh, is H&M too? Yeah. You could have bar it?

No. It's not probably. It's definitely. No. So sometimes what I do is I, well, even still. He knows he's still. Still to this day, I still never take the tags off clothing. So on a lot of my jackets, I still have the tag in there.

And so sometimes I'll wear the jacket out and then never wear it again. After a month, I'm like, I've yet to wear this thing again. I'm not going to wear it again. I return it. But even now, it's like if you drive to H&M, you know, that whole or deal is going to take an hour for what? No, this is years ago. I haven't done this in a long time.

Oh. Yeah. Yeah. No, this is recent. Long time. Yeah, I have Alex return it. No. Alex shows up, this jacket doesn't fit me.

It's the wrong size. My mom bought this for me as a Christmas present. And I just, I think she, she miscalculated my stuff. Jackets all of his clothes for free, so it's not going to matter. That is true. I'm not going to say that's entirely true, but that's mostly true. Yes. They're all hand-me-downs.

Where do you get your clothes from? Yeah. Do you guys want to know the truth? Is it your mom? Yeah. My mom gets me most of my clothes. close to be honest. Really? She got me this shirt.

These shorts, right? Actually, these shorts, I got... I feel like your mom's like a 90s skater kid. My mom was a 90s skater kid? No, my mom's point of 64. Just by like the ZJ's boarding house, sort of like, you know, the surf attire. Like, yeah. That's a soak house. The trucker hat.

I got to say, guys, you know, I usually don't share this stuff willingly, but in this case, I think it's kind of funny. It makes for a good story. But I went on a date probably like five days ago. Nice. You didn't tell me about this. Yeah, so it's, we went to Dave and Busters and I showed up and I thought I looked really good. Like, I'm not going to lie, I thought my outfit was nice.

I thought she was going to be like really pleased with it. After Dave and Busters, we went back to my house to go in the hot tub. And I was like going in my room or whatever to like pick out like board shorts for the for the hot tub. And she followed me into the closet. And she saw that I had very few clothes. And then she said just out of nowhere, I didn't like instigated. She just said, that. explains it. And I was like, what are you talking about? Yeah, what are you talking about?

This first date? Yes. Okay. And she said, she said, oh, I just, you know, I noticed like the clothes you were wearing at David Busters. And I was like, what are you trying to say? And she's like, oh, it's just, you know, like questionable style. Can you believe it? I could believe it, Jack. Well, what were you wearing? Um, I was wearing a navy shirt, some navy pants. A shirt, what, t-shirt? Yeah, T-shirt. Yeah. Okay. Navy T-shirt. It's got like a little design right here. Navy pants and then brown shoes. No. I bet the pants were probably a bit baggy. I like the, I like the brown shoes with the navy pants. I'm a fan of the, yes, I'm a fan of the brown and navy like suit combination, but I think the Navy shirt overdoes it. Do wear the hat? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So that's actually a good point. She said, the main thing, she said, I don't know why you wore a hat. So, dude, I'm telling you right now, if you cut your hair, I'm not even joking, you would probably look 10 times. The thing is, people assume that you're balding because you wear the hat so often. I know, so you may as well show it off. Sometimes I think you have to take certain things that we know we're not good at and just accept the fact we're not good at them and let other people help us. For you, I would venture to say it's style. Yeah, I think style. For me as well, but you know. Wow. But Alex could get away with the pineapples on his shirt. Listen, man, I'm made. Why can he get away? Is the bar just lower for Alex? Yeah. What's wrong with God? It's not that. It's not that.

This is Alex's style. And it works. But it works. It works as like a funny sort of like whimsical t-shirt. By the way, I wanted to ask, how's the weight loss coming? Could you explain what's going on? Did we talk about it? We haven't spoken about this yet.

No. You want to say what's going on? Sure. So I, you know, I happen to notice that Alex may struggle with his weight a little bit. So you happen to notice? What is that supposed to me? I, wait, right? I'm not, I don't know how to explain this.

I'm just kidding. I figured out, I would like to help a friend. And I think it could also be an inspiring story since we've discussed it on the podcast a few times. And for Alex, it's not only, it's like also a mental thing as well. And I think that overcoming that mental barrier as well as being a healthier individual, I think could be a really good piece of content and also something that I would love to do for my friend on a personal level. So what we decided to do was try to get Alex to lose some weight. And we are on what? Just over two weeks now?

I think so. Yeah. Yeah, we're just over two weeks. Are we? Yeah, yeah, just almost two weeks, I think. Oh, I think on Wednesday. Yeah. On Wednesday's two weeks.

You know, I'm taking a lot of advice from tons of people that know a lot about nutrition and dieting and exercising and stuff like that. The main thing that we're just trying to focus on is eating just good, healthy, hearty foods. And that's pretty much it. And no snacking. Yeah. So every day, Jack texts me like close to lunchtime. And he's just like, hey, what are you having to eat? And so every time I make food, I, um, I'm.

I just, I take a picture and I send it over to Jack. Or if I, like, I'm in a rush. I'll just tell Jack, hey, I had this for lunch. And I do that for, like, my lunch and my dinner. And we also do weigh-ins. And I go grocery shopping with Jack. And so far, so good. So Jack, I lost how much so far?

You lost 6.6 pounds in 11 days. Now, granted, I know that may sound unhealthy, the speed at which you lost weight. But then again, once you start dieting and cutting down, on those the fatty foods and the snacking foods you have less sodium in your body which soaks up less water so a lot of that was water weight and I would say probably let's say you know two pounds or so maybe three pounds of fat and we're also trying to find like that sweet spot so we dialed it up a little bit on the on the calories a little bit so but so far so good the first week uh was was pretty hard yeah yeah I mean it was a huge change right yeah and we talk about this on or off or sorry

We talk about this off the podcast a lot more, just because you guys are my friends. And so sometimes you guys may not hear like the entirety of the conversations. I told Jack having, I've never had anybody try to like hold me like accountable. And it's been a very different experience. And one thing Graham told me, he's like, takes 21 days to build the habit. And it's getting easier every day. That's good. I mean, you're doing great so far.

I'm eating great food. Yeah. You can throw some pictures of the food I've been making. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes it's like, you know, really lean. Sometimes it's a little bit like comfort meals, but it's not like crazy, you know. Very different than what I was eating, right?

Because I think most of the calories that I was intaking were from snacking. And so we kind of change. Now, if I'm really hungry, I'll grab like a pinch of grapes or something like that. Now, what about exercise? So I'm looking to reintroduce more exercise as well. So I think I had this conversation. I'm not sure of both of you, but I had lost weight in the past. And one of the good exercises that I found for myself was swimming just because it's very low impact, but it's very high cardio.

And so I think I'm probably going to start doing that. I'm going to say probably start with two times a week, probably next week or this week. Well, not this week. I could do that too. The main idea that I had in mind with your plan of losing weight was I didn't want to, to introduce too many things right in the beginning because I didn't want you to hate it. So as long as like you're eating clean, you're going to lose weight pretty dang fast at your current weight.

And that was the plan until you got to maybe maybe you lost like 40, 40, 50 pounds. And then we could introduce exercising and stuff like that once you got used to that and built up that habit of eating clean, no more unhealthy snacking and stuff like that. Well, I could start as like resistance walking through the pool. Yeah. I mean that and then you build up and like I remember when I. first ever swim, I couldn't even swim a lap, like, at all. And it took me several weeks to be able to do it.

I don't know if I can now because it's been two and a half years since I swam. Yeah. So I agree. I got to say I'm honestly really impressed. And I definitely, this probably doesn't help my case at all. But I definitely had some, like, prejudgments about, like, when I first wanted to to die at you, I thought that, because the first thing I did was I went over to his house and we went through his entire pantry and I removed all of the unhealthy food.

And I thought that when I was doing that, you'd be like, no, I want that, no, I want that still. But you're very open to it and you're optimistic, which is one of my favorite parts. You're not complaining all the time. You're not saying, oh, I wish that I had more sweets or I wish I didn't have to do this. You're super, like, proactive about it. I don't have to constantly be checking on you. You're pretty, like, self-sufficient on it. It's the texting me, like, holding me account.

Like, when you text me in the morning, it like reaffirms, like, oh, today I'm going to be accountable. And I told Jack the other day, I was like, Jack, I really want some pizza. And like, so we, but we went out to that event and I ate some, like, food that was off my things. I'm going to wait before I had pizza. But, like, yeah, Jack and I have had burgers together. We, if we go to an event, we eat out. And it's just like, we kind of account for it. And it's like.

There's nothing wrong with eating unhealthy food every once in a while. The only thing is the snacking. And if you do that, like, all of the time. Like, every day. Yeah, like, I wanted to eat. Yeah, exactly. I used to snack every day. Yeah.

And the thing is when you snacked, the issue is you'd eat really. calorie-dense things, such as a bag of potato chips, like a big bag, and you eat like 2,000 calories in one sitting. And not even know it, yeah. But now it's like, you know, you're very, like, structured with your diet. And I think the best way to introduce, like, a healthy eating habit is to introduce, like, normal eating habits. We're like, sure, if you go to an event, you have some pizza or if you want pizza,

you can order pizza. And I think that's the important part for me too, because I don't, I told Jack, I could never be like you. Like, you eat so clean. Like, I don't think that could ever be me. But you have to remember, like to get to the weight that I am, I've probably been eating like unhealthy to what a normal person would consider extremely unhealthy for so long. I think that going back to like a diet of like normalcy and having moderation with foods that are higher in calories is good. And that's probably like the life that I would want to live.

But who knows? You never know because maybe I'll see some gains and I'll be like, this is the way. But my mindset is that right now. So we'll see. I'm just very open to everything. And I really appreciate you, you know, helping me. So far, so good. And Graham's been supportive to just like emotionally on the side.

That's good. Yeah, you're killing it. I honestly, to be completely fair and honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. But I figure anything that we do do where it means that you eat cleaner foods, you eat healthier foods, is just a step in the right direction. Just for liability reasons, I have nothing to do with this guys. I just for the record, right? You agree, Jack? Like, this is nothing to do.

But I thought you were texting me advice. Like, the other day, you were like, this is advice. This is health advice directly from Graham Stephan. No, Graham's just there as a friend to be supportive. Yeah, this is between you guys. So I want no liability. Jack definitely tells me what to do. Yeah, we'll see about that.

But you've been doing great and we're going to be continuing to document this entire journey. It'll be exciting. And you know what's cool. Jack sent me this earlier that, Who was it, Mike Maylack and Jeff from Jeff's Barbershop were, uh, mentioned me in the podcast this morning. Wait, what? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I made a video on, uh, Mike Maylach buying a property with an NFT on the second channel, the Graham Steffen Show. Go and subscribe to that. But I made a video talking about that. And, uh, Mike and Jeff watched the video. And sometimes for me, I forget, like, how many people see these videos. And so I think sometimes if I'm just joking around or making lighthearted humor,

I forget sometimes that there's like a real person behind there who's too could be taking these literally or could be taking it the wrong way. And so. Did they take it the wrong way? I think Mike saw parts of the video that could have potentially been hurtful and not in like a malicious way necessarily, but maybe in not the nicest of ways. And usually on that channel, I try my best. I'm sarcastic and it's all sat. Not all satire, but no, I didn't say anything. But, you know, I said, you know, I made jokes that were probably at Mike's expense.

Like I said, you know, it's the peak of the market, but it goes to show you there's always going to be a mic who's buying because he's buying. I mean, it was just like, it was meant in a lighthearted way not to be taken too seriously. But I also, I think lose track when you're like behind a computer screen looking at the numbers that like that is a person you're talking about. And like, you know, I have nothing against Mike or anything. And a lot of it is just meant purely for comedy. But I think comedy at the expense of someone else, I'm realizing that. You know, the more I to do the mark on this one. don't think so and he overall said that the video was uh you know it wasn't a bad video and a lot of

it was was accurate but also that i didn't know the entire situation and i and i even said that in the video i tried to estimate what his income was based on how much he put down and he explained that he put down more because it gave him a lower interest rate which is true um so there were i i had to stretch and make some assumptions just uh just for the purposes of the video and supplying information So I definitely went out on a limb there. But the thing is, he could be making $5 million a year. And it makes no difference whatsoever if he buys a property for four, if it's worth three next year, if it's worth five.

It's like it doesn't matter. And I think at those income levels, it's like you're talking over the equivalent of like what a normal person would be like a few hundred dollars. So like for him it doesn't make a difference. So how much do you think Mike is making? In the video. Because I will say before you say the number, Graham has given us estimates of a lot of people before we've met them.

And then people confirm and they're pretty close. I will say you have a pretty good idea. I'm not saying it's accurate. No. Adam 22 is the biggest shock for me. I didn't know he's making that much. Yeah. And Anna came in under for it.

But Mike Malak, I said that for him to afford his mortgage, he had to be netting after expenses, $720,000 a year. That's the bare minimum. So I kind of assumed that if he had to put more money down, he was hitting that limit. which meant that he was making way more money, but since he's his own boss, he's probably deducting a lot of expenses. So I said he's probably making about $1.2,

so $100,000 a month, plus he's got expenses, so he's netting, you know, $720 to $800,000 a year. He didn't confirm or deny that amount, nor would I expect him to be like, no, so here's how much I'm making. But I could, I would say, like, I wouldn't be surprised

if he's making $5 million a year, but I would say at minimum, it's got to be the $720, at minimum. Like, that's what he would have to do to qualify for that. Because there may be other deals that are behind the scenes that we have no clue on. Probably. Yeah.

Sometimes when you're in that circle of people, you get opportunity. I mean, you get opportunities presented to you that, you know. Yeah. It's not worth making a whole video on, but you're invested in other things. Yeah.

So anyway, but sometimes I see these videos and I feel bad just because it's like I never want to make anyone feel bad and my, my intention is never to put anyone down. So, and sometimes you do get caught up in, in that moment of just like, it's,

it's funny. is for comedy, but then you forget. It's like, well, you know, that is a person on the other end who's seeing this. And I've definitely gotten a lot more careful of what I said on that channel. I reacted to ads before, and that was like an old fun thing as I'd react to the ads. And at the end, like, I just felt bad afterwards. Some of the stuff, like I'm poking fun at it, but, like, that's their business and whether or not I agree with it.

Not all malicious. But, you know, some of it a little sketchy, but. I will say, I like those. I like that video. People do, but I just feel bad about it, even though people like it. So anyway, what do you think, Jack? I think, you know, with the Graham Steffen show, you assume responsibility when you say certain things about other people. And I know just with, like, media in general, it's easier to throw accusations and to like point fingers,

especially considering the fact that usually the creator is never, like, held to a certain standard when they probably should be. You know what I mean? Creators get let off for saying some bad. bad things about other people. I think as a general rule, you specifically, you're pretty fair, but I also think that with the responsibility of having that channel, that's definitely something that you should consider. And knowing you, I don't think that you ever really crossed that line. But it seems like you have a pretty good perspective on it.

I wouldn't be too worried about it. Yeah. I think it's about getting close to that line, but never crossing it. Because I never want to be in a position where I say something truly negative about someone where if they saw me somewhere, they would be upset. And I would expect that all of it would be kind of lighthearted. But I did see that and I felt bad. So if Mike is watching this, what do you have to say?

None of it was meant to be like too serious. A lot of it's just lighthearted humor. But if anything I said was taken the wrong way, I apologize for it. Because it's never my intention to make anyone feel bad. And, you know, I do make stretches and assumptions in that video just for the purposes of filling in some of the numbers. But definitely I didn't get all of it right, I'm sure. So if there's anything that I could correct, I'm always open to that.

Have you DMed Mike before? Have you guys spoke? Yeah. So I met him in 2020. Actually, with you briefly when we picked up the Pokemon card. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Pokemon card, the Pokemon card, Logapal Box Break. So I met it briefly.

And then after that, he had mentioned me in one of the Impulsive Podcasts as like the finance guy or something like that. And so I sent him a message saying, thank you for the kind words if you would ever like to do a collab or like, I'd love to have you on my channel. It's just anything like that. I'm open. Now, it never showed red or anything like this. I don't know if he got it, but I did send him a message. Mike, Malak, next podcast, guys, let's go. Yeah, I would love that.

If you're listening to, I would absolutely love that. Yeah, if anyone knows Mike Maylach and you want to shoot him a text and be like, hey, if you're in Las Vegas, Graham Stephan would love to host you. Do whatever. We'll take you out for dinner. Jack's got an Airbnb room that we asked to. We'll comp, we'll comp you for them.

Yeah, we take you out for steak at herbs and rye, like a nice steak place. Make you feel welcome. So how about this? We got hate comments. Yes. We have some hate comments we have to get back to. Now, depending on the tone of these hate comments, I'm going to try to take them to heart. And see, you know, if these are really good criticisms that, you know, is something that we can work on.

So the first hate comment. And again, guys, we did not pick these. We had somebody else pick these. So we have never seen these before. I really ain't trying to see a morbidly obese guy to struggle to ask the most basic questions. Jack, I don't know why they hate you so much. Why did you write that, Jack? I'm sorry.

Gosh. No, so I think they're talking about me. Well, I don't know. What do you guys think? I mean, I try to ask questions that I feel like the audience would like to know, you know, and that's why I bring up stuff like, when Graham was talking about the ring, I was like, that's a pretty small ring familiar. Not because I think that, but just like, I'm trying to think, what would the audience think in my, my shows? And also when introducing podcast guests, I mean, I do the same thing. I try to think like, okay, imagine I'm a new viewer and I've never seen this. I really try to go from that angle. I am obese, but we're trying to work on that.

I don't think that's a comment to take to heart. I don't think so. Yeah, I don't think so. I don't think he's just going to be. Yeah. The morbidly obese just seems to be like the poking stick. Yeah. The real thing seems to be the basic question.

But I would agree with the basic question. I mean, you have to. So, all right. Jack has been looking sloppy. Get a haircut. Okay. Well, oh, I just glanced over and I saw that it was written by my assistant. So JJ, we have a serious talk.

Wait, was it actually? Yeah. Oh, that's funny. All right. All right. Jack, you don't buy and hold with Margin's silly boy. The ride that steals the spotlight every time it hits the road, that's the Volkswagen TIG-1. Its sleek exterior makes a first impression you can't ignore. Step inside to find available full leather seats and wood accents. Under the hood, the available 201 turbocharged horsepower engine gives it a fun to drive edge.

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Yeah What do you got to say? Yeah, okay you know what The silly boy was just You know That was unnecessary silly boy But you know He's probably

He is right I like how we're so analytical We're like Well like this part was unnecessary Yeah we should take them all Take them all seriously though You're right I won't do it again

I stop watching your videos because they are all buy and hold index funds. Yeah, I think beyond a certain point, it does become repetitive. I mean, I'm never going to say anything different. So if you're expecting me one video to say like, hey, guys, go all in Tesla and then short this. I'm never going to say that. But you know what? I think long term, that'll come out ahead. So I'm going to stick with it.

One thing I'll say is you've been very consistent with your... I'm not going to DGF me. When you clickbait so much, you have to clarify it when it's not clickbait. Did we have to see... Do we do not clickbait? Yeah, the proposed one? Oh, margin call. Oh, margin call.

Wow. So, I mean, I agree. I mean, for sure, I think we stretch the truth on the titles, but the titles do have a direct connection with exactly what we talk about in the video. So it's never like taking completely like just wrong information in putting it in the title. But usually it is what we talk about and then maybe exaggerate it a little bit. We don't exaggerate numbers, but we can exaggerate where, you know, where we can. Yeah, I actually thought the not clickbait was catchier. Just like, just as a title, I would be more likely to click on a title that says not clickbait.

From my perspective, it's just like, what would people be likely to click on? That's also a strategy. Yeah, so I wouldn't say, yeah. Graham is 127 pounds. Homeboy is tiny. I haven't been that small since I was like 19, like, I wish. Homeboy is tiny. But he said, I wish.

So you wish this he could be smaller. Maybe, you know, they're a big. Maybe he's got a little heft. Yeah. Yeah, that could be a compliment. Maybe they'd be like, I wish I could weigh $1.27. So I'll take that as a compliment. That could be a nice comment.

Well, what do you say to people who say that you're small? It just, it is what it is. I don't know. Genetics, man. The sky is blue. I mean, what is there? Fair enough. I agree.

No offense, but Graham is wrong AF on Tesla stock and Elon. You can tell he's an S&P investor, mainly. Doesn't know much about the individual stocks. Oh, that's probably when I said that Tesla stock was overvalued. You know what? I think what gets me is the amount of hype and excitement around the stock and all the potential around it. Like Elon Musk could come up with these robots and self-driving and all these different things. I've yet to see a lot of it come to fruition.

And I worry that the hype and excitement has gotten ahead of itself a little bit too much. But I will fully admit I've been wrong in the past. I've been wrong so far about Tesla stock except when I sold at $1,000 to buy the car. So far, but that could be, that's probably luck. Graham has been trying to justify his lifestyle this entire episode. I've been watching Graham for a very long time and I like the guy, but I do agree with Jack and Tech Lead. Graham should live a little bit more.

I'm not saying he needs to spend any more money or stop YouTube or the podcast, but life experience would really help him grow all these ventures as well as refining his perspective. I don't disagree with that. I think I need some more perspective. What do you mean by perspective? Seeing more things and being exposed to more, I think would benefit me. But I think everybody could benefit from it. That's true.

But I think, yeah, me as much. I think, yeah, he sees things with very much tunnel vision. Yeah, yeah, I do. So I could benefit from that. It's interesting to hear how detached from reality Graham is when it comes to how materialistic he actually is, making money, $2,000 loan from grandma, bra that could save someone's life, and how much $250,000 could actually do. Well, tech lead is detached from what is like to try and become wealthy outside of school,

programmer, doctor, lawyer, etc. Very cool perspectives to hear as a thousandaire. So, I mean, where do we start on this one? Making my $2,000 loan from Grandma. So let me explain it. What is that? I don't remember. So when I was buying property in 2011, 2012, I had basically sunk all my money and I sold

my car to finish and buy these properties and renovate them. And there was a point where I had a tenant who was moving into a property and was going to pay me the rent and all that. And I needed to pay the contractor. And this is before, like, I had a credit card or anything like that. And I knew there was a two-week gap between when I was having rent coming in and when I had to pay the contractor. And my grandma let me $2,000 so that I could pay the contractor as basically like a bridge in between the time that that happened and I got the rent. So what's the total amount of out of pocket that you were at the time, like invested in this house renovating?

Because I'm sure $2,000 was probably a drop in the bucket. Like $200 grand, something like that, $250. Yeah, give or take to probably $250. I mean, it was everything I had saved up for four years. So, and I sold the car to pay for the triplex. So, yeah. But I also had some real estate deals that were coming in. And sometimes it's like you have to wait a few weeks to get paid on those.

So that was the $2,000 from my grandma. I mean, I get that not everybody's in a position to, you know, borrow $2,000 from your grandma. I certainly wasn't. But I think that there's nothing wrong with using the resources that that you have. Right. And plus, if your grandma didn't want you brought $2,000, somebody would have, Or you would have paid interest to someone.

It's not a big. Yeah. I mean, it would have gotten done regardless, but my first choice would have been to go to my grandma, and I paid it right back. I feel like Jack is talking himself out of a job with Graham. He's just outsourcing all of his work to other people for cheaper. Why wouldn't Graham just do it himself?

Yeah, why wouldn't I, Jack? Because that takes a lot of upfront capital. Okay. So my question was, why wouldn't Graham just pay you a salary to manage people? a salary to manage people. Like I could just pay you a set amount and you manage. Because I'm not an employee.

We'll make you an employee. I'd prefer not to be an employee, I think. We'll find somebody else to manage the people. Okay. There's nothing that's stopping you from doing that. I mean, as far as... No, I'm just trying to play doubles at home. I mean, 85% of my incomes from the ice coffee hour.

So if we're talking about the 15% on the side of like, you know, like the second chain, all the random stuff here and there, actually it's probably 10% the other stuff. So it's not like a... It's, you know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, my thought is that as long as the work is better or the same, I'm okay with it. Yeah.

Yeah. So you're okay if I outsource the main channel? Well, the main channel is something that even outsourcing to begin with. No, not in the main channel. The main channel I'm so particular about it. If you show me a video, Alex, and we review it, and it is better. And I look at this video and I say, Alex, did you just spend a full day on this thing? How long did this take you to do?

How did you do it like this? And is that good? I'd be open to it. What if it's the same? Probably not. It would have to be better. Like when Jack did it, it was better. And I told Jack, you could try it once. And it has to be really good. And I didn't even know it was better. And I thought Jack was just spending more time on the videos. As far as camera angles, I personally think there should just be one camera. It would be much more podcast like, in my opinion, just seeing everyone in one shot versus having multiple angles and going back and forth between all of them. Most podcasts out here follow the one camera rule. And that's what I think this podcast needs. I disagree. No. You got to switch.

Yeah, you got to switch camera angles. Yeah. Helps retention. Every big podcast also has different camera angles. I'd like more of Alex, less of Jack. What does Jack even do anymore? You know what? I agree with this one.

Do you? What did you do today, Jack? What did I do today? What did you do? Hung out, went in the pool, drank some Pepsi. Really? No. I didn't go.

Well, not the Pepsi. Did I go on the pool? I don't remember if I went in the pool. What do you say to the people, though, who say less Jack? I think that's fine. Everyone's going to have their own opinion. And I don't think that there's anything that I can say that would change their mind if they're already in the thought of less Jack.

There's so many pro-Jack people, though, so it's okay. Yeah, I really appreciate the people that are pro-jack. I feel like I kind of want to read like a love comment now. After reading so many hate comments. Graham kind of killed this to family vlog as soon as he took over, TBH. The views don't lie, though. I mean, the data's there. The data's there.

I also happened to change the... The thumbnail and the vlog name. And we did it for 30 days, but the views don't lie. Yeah, no, for 30 days, we tripled views, tripled revenue. Everything went up. Watch time went up. Everything substantially increased for those 30 days. Watch time went up because the video, the length of the videos went up.

Well, you were daily posting. Yeah, but no, it wasn't daily posting. It was three times a week. Oh. Yeah. Anyway. Moving on. Alex is legit ungrateful.

Oh, well, Graham hired him as an employee. Why are he acting like he's owed anything? I think there's it. You guys both benefit from this relationship. You do and Graham does. And you guys are both very fortunate to have the relationship. I don't think that. You know what, Jack?

It's a good answer. Great. Jack, I think answered that. I like that. Jack, with peace and love, your ego has gotten way too big. Keep telling you that all the time. I've actually seen a few of those. I'm not going to lie.

Jack ego stuff? Yeah. Obviously, they're still a minority. I definitely think I'm confident. I just think that you come across on the camera more than before. Really? I feel like before you were kind of still learning and kind of in your shell. I think I was shy.

I missed the wide-eyed jack. Like everything was like. Oh my gosh. Yeah, where you saw Christine's ring and you're like, whoa. Like I miss that. Those are like just the innocent, the pureness. He's got a Rolex. He's like, yeah.

He's like, he forced me to get the Rolex. I'm sorry. It forced you buy Rolex at a really good deal. It was a good deal. Yeah. From Federico. Talks Watches. Link down below in the description.

Or not just search it in YouTube. Just search it. Frederico Talks Watches. We got someone that pledged to our Patreon during this episode. No way. Wait, no. Wait, wait, wait, just now? Yeah, literally 30 minutes ago.

Are you serious? It's Matan Asuline. He says, I watch a lot of YouTube. I never thought I'd make a Patreon for anyone. Like, why I can watch for free. Thank you, man. But I love your show and the guests you bring on. You guys are the best.

keep it up. That is really cool. Yeah. Well, let's not thank you so much. We really appreciate it. We could be given plugs out. Yeah.

We actually, we got another one we have to call right now. Oh, okay, so let me explain it. This is a big deal. We put up a $500 a month option on Patreon. And we thought we'd put this up there and then we'd all host an event twice a year in Las Vegas where we could have everyone together and just hang out, dinners on us, drinks on us or whatever. The festivities are on us.

but we'd come for one night, have a great time, two times a year. $500 a month. But a lot of that, we just reinvest back into the night. So we'd have like, you know, two crazy times a year. It's just a good time. But we got someone who signed up on that, and we got another person that I think we should call right now. Graham likes the idea of whenever people sign up for that, we give them a call. If you do that, it's going to get to a point where we can't call everybody.

No, certainly. So you know what? It's not, yeah. It's not promised, but. But it's a maybe. But as of now, 100% hit right. But as of now, but as of now, Now, let's call him.

So who is this? Okay, so this is Enom Khan. I'm always curious. And also shout out to Enom Khan and Rick Barkley. You guys paid the VIP Patriots here, so you get a verbal shout out every episode. You guys help make this thing possible. Yeah. Hey, this is Graham.

It's Jack and Alex calling you on the iced coffee hour. I wanted to call you, and thank you so much for joining the Patreon. We put that up there, just not having any idea. what to expect on this. And we are so happy to have you join. We'll let you know when the Las Vegas event is going to be. But what made you do it? I'm curious.

Oh, my God. Well, first of all, I'm excited for Las Vegas. Second of all, I guess I got so much value out of your videos over the years. This was one of my ways I felt like I could get back. And also just building a relationship with you guys. I feel like that would just be really good. So I'm definitely excited. Thank you so much.

I've seen you guys grow over the years, Jack, especially you. I saw I was watching the first podcast the other day and I was like, yo, Jack, it's so different now. Oh, that's fine. Good job, guys. You guys are doing great work. Thank you. Now, quick question for you.

Do you think Jack should get a haircut? I actually just voted on his Instagram. I was one of the few guys that said no, but. Oh, no. Thank you. He said one of the few. One of the few. Don't ruin it.

Don't look yet. Don't look at it. But we got a sneak peek. Wow. Thank you. Well, anyway, man, thank you so much. I really appreciate anything you need, just reach out. And you're cool if we include this on the podcast.

Yeah, yeah, of course, man. Thanks, and thanks for reaching out. Oh, my God, I'm like so a starstrip right now. I just not too nervous, but thank you. Absolutely. So thank you so much. This will air in a few days. And anything you want to shout out?

Oh, yeah, I want to shout out my YouTube channel, and I'm on investing. And I just wanted to say, I love you, man. There you go. All right. Well, thank you so much, man. I really appreciate it. Good luck on the Olive Fund. All these people are so nice.

Rick, I'm excited to meet them in the ice room. This is cool. So anyway, guys, if you are interested as well, the link is down below in the description. We don't know how many people are going to get, but I'd like to call people. I think it's fun. And it's good to put a voice behind the name as well. And we need to end this with you looking on Instagram to determine whether or not you're getting a haircut. Let's see if people want me to get a haircut.

You know what? We should be leaving this up to the Patreon members. It's like that's a Patreon exclusive to decide win jackets a haircut. and they decide as a community. Each tier has like a number of votes. Yes. That's so funny. Yes.

What's the percentage? Wow. 6040. Yeah, that's not as drastic as I had. Correct. How many votes? So I think the majority has said you need a haircut, but not a drastic haircut. Just enough for a change.

Yeah, just a trim. Well, thank you guys so much for voting. And if you guys want to vote on more things where I could change my own physical appearance, follow me on Instagram. Hey. At JLS, S-E-L-L-Y. Yeah. Make sure to also get a free stock down below in the description.

When you signed up for public, using the gram. And you can also add Alex on Instagram. Yes. Yeah. Thank you to our VIP Patreon members. Yeah. And until next time. Until next time.

Cool.