The Iced Coffee Hour - Sam and Colby on Ghost Hunting in The Conjuring House, Demonic Possession, & Reaching The Afterlife

Episode Date: February 26, 2024

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And then I got cancer that month. That was definitely the first time we truly believed. If you have proof, then our human life doesn't matter anymore. And so when I hear these things or see these things that make me believe that there might be something more, it gives me hope. We have some breaking news as of like 20 minutes ago. Did you hear that Mr. B sold his channel to Disney? No, we did it. Really?

$5 billion. You're lying. The number got leaked. Wait, so is there an amount? Yes, it was just confirmed. was just confirmed. So is there an amount that you would sell for? Probably six billion.

Dude, what? I can't believe that. Why? Wait, so they own everything now. Yes, and he's not appearing on it anymore. You're lying. No, I swear. Someone else is coming in and lieu of like Mr. Beast,

and they're going to be like Mr. Beast. No way. Isn't that crazy? Are you lying? Yeah, he's lying to us. There's not a second. He's a horrible. Oh, man.

That was a bad. Come on, really. Yeah, you got to take it. I didn't know you're going to say he's not appearing in it. That's too. Come on. I ruined the bit. Eric is going to take over.

Imagine he said that. No, that would be a flower. Not selling the channel. That would be pretty crazy. So. We saw ours for like, 200 bucks. Three hundred bucks, maybe.

I'll feed that right now if you guys want to think. Really? Yeah. You can figure this out after the podcast. Okay, cool. So you guys were on Rogan. You were. About this time last year.

I mean, that's basically like the massive stamp of approval of like okay you guys are some serious people to be on rogan right before that we were the most stupid unserious people no and it all changed how after that how did they reach out to you dude in the most casual way possible we got a email from like a random gmail account and was just like yo joe one show on the pod you guys down we're like this is fake this is a guy we actually thought it was fake at first yeah it was just like a paragraph it didn't have like any of the professional headers or like the endings of emails. That also was just like a random one like paragraph thing. Like JRE recruiter at

Gmail. Yeah. Like come out to like Austin and like film the show with us. I'm curious how you even see that email because we get probably 100 emails a day and most of them we just don't end up seeing. How do you see that one email? Well, we usually don't get a header that says Joe Rogan experience. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe we look at it for two seconds. Okay. This is probably fake but just in case let's have someone field it for a second. Yeah. And it turned out to be real. And then we shot our pants. It was cool. It was terrified. Why did he want you on? His daughter was a fan. Okay, was that was that really it? She was the one. He was like, yeah, you gotta get Sam a ballroom.

Yeah, yeah, she was like, yeah, a major fan. And she, she's bought in, like, all of our merch and stuff. And we have, like, or she said she has, like, posters of us, like, in her room and stuff. So Joe sees us every morning, apparently. No, are you serious? So she was, like, nagging him to, like, get us on. And he finally, like, looked us up. And obviously, he's super into the supernatural stuff. So he was just like, this could be a good fit. How nervous were you going on there? Do they prep you with like, here's what he's going to talk about?

Here's the outline or no. Is it just we're going to show up and do our best? Nothing. We didn't really hear any information other than like some flights being sent our way until we walked in. And then even beforehand, he just came up and was like, yeah, we'll talk on the podcast and then just hopped in the room. We started.

So like we didn't know anything about it. All we knew, obviously we'd seen a bunch of his shows. All we knew was going to be a long podcast. and we got sent a couple of clips after we accepted of Joe saying he like really doesn't believe in the paranormal. And so we were kind of nervous. Who said you that? It's like PR.

Joe's PR. No, ours. Oh, you're PR God. I looked into it a little bit because we were like, yeah, I wonder if he's into the ghost stuff. I, you know, talks about conspiracy theories and stuff like that. And he is ragged on a lot of ghost hunters in the past. So we were like, uh-oh, like, is he going to, you know, like our stories or not? Do you think you convinced him?

We took a very, like, vague approach to it. So, like, we basically didn't say, ghosts are real or ghosts are fake. Like, we didn't tell him that, like, directly. We were just like, well, there could be, like, possibilities of blank, like, energies, certain things like that. So I think, like, keeping it as a vague approach. He was extremely fair.

Okay. You know, for someone that probably before our podcast didn't believe at all, he was incredibly fair of, like, hearing us out and hearing our stories. And I think he believed that we believe. But I don't know if he believed after us. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Do you guys hang out with him afterwards? Like when the podcast ends, what happens to Joe Rogan? So actually, so his daughter came to the studio right after and we had a giant, what, like a giant cardboard box of our merch that was shipped to us. And we were about to go back to L.A. And so we were just like, all, we might as well, like, give this all to her.

And then as we were pulling out, he ran to our car and was just like, do you guys actually want to go to like a steak dinner? Yeah. We're like, yeah, sure why not. So we all went to like a fancy spot like down the street and hung out with him. How was that going to dinner with Joe where people just like constantly coming up. Oh my God, it's Joe Rogan. Well, he had security and he walked in with like the hood up, head down like.

No way. I've never seen anything like it before. It was definitely next level. But I mean, he was incredibly genuine. Like super down on earth. Extremely. We met his family, you know, and like just, you know, shot the shit, you know, off camera for like two or three hours. He was super nice.

Like gave us a lot of his time. It was really really awesome. surprising about Joe Rogan? I honestly think the most surprising thing was how open he was to our stories. Because I was imagining him being very anti-paranormal and

not making fun of us, but making fun of the idea of something else. But he was pretty fair with everything and went down the crazy roads of talking about all the different sides of the paranormal and ghost hunting and everything with us. And it was really cool. And then

he followed up actually. He you know, started texting us ghost stories and then he was texting you guys. Yeah, just like, hey guys, check this out this like ghost story and then he invited us out to his company store in Austin to do a ghost hunt. Which we're doing next week. Are you serious?

Yeah, we're going to see him next week. When is that going to drop? That's... March. March or something. It's like our first or second video of the year. But yeah, he was like, dude, I think my place is haunted. He's heard of some like murders that happened in the building.

And he was like, I want you. you guys an investigator. I think this stuff is really cool. So yeah. Is he gonna be in it? Yes. I hope so. Wow. He's not gonna be like investigating with that or anything. Yeah, but we're gonna do like an interview and he'll probably walk us through the spot. And then yeah, let us do our own thing. That is absolutely like on a personal level outside of all the YouTube the fame this and that just like casually meeting Joe Rogan and like it's crazy. It's crazy. I remember when we got the email it was right after last hell week I think which is October for us.

And again, we thought it was fake at first, but it's just surreal. Like, it's, he doesn't even do any YouTubers at all. I think he's still like a handful. Mr. Beast and more plates. Marcus Brownlee. Yeah, maybe that's it. I don't know if there's anybody else, but yeah, we were just shocked. We were just confused.

Definitely. I mean, he's definitely the most famous person I met. But what's really cool is how down to earth he is. Like when he texts or invites us out to things, he's just like, yeah, like, so casual. I'm like, dude, you could be texting anybody in the world. Why are you texting us? So it's really cool that, you know, he's so nice. Yeah, he's a nice guy.

Well, on a different level, you guys are very, very down to earth as well. And you guys have at this point, what, 11 million subscribers on the main channel. And then a few other million here and there on side channels or your own personal channels and stuff like that. I wanted to bring up really quickly the funny story of how I met you guys. I don't know if I've told you guys this. I was actually on, I swear to God, I don't bring this up just on my own, okay? It's just by happenstance. I was on a Tinder date.

I said it. Okay, I was on a Tinder date. I feel like most of your stories. You're on Tinder, Jack? Not anymore. No, that was like the old me. All of this stories start with. I was on a Tinder.

I was not like a big part of my life or anything. I don't go around thinking that it is. But I was indeed on a Tinder date with somebody. And she said, oh my God, there's these two YouTubers. I'm so obsessed with them. They're like my favorite ever. Their names are Sam and Colby. No way.

And I'm like, okay, cool. And I like, look you guys up. And then she was like, they just moved to Vegas, oh my gosh, what if I ran into them at a Starbucks? What does that feel to be like on a date with this girl and she's fan-growing about two other guys? In front of you.

Yeah. Is that disrespect? I mean, no, it was like, it was in a little bit. It was in a casual way, but she's like, I have like, I watch every single video as soon as it comes out, like they mean the world to me. I'm like, okay, it didn't bother me. I thought it was just kind of like funny.

They didn't say just like how extremely hot we were. I mean, she was saying that she was like madly infatuated with you guys. Jack, if you could get the same haircut as they have. That's the only difference, guys, is the hairstyle. But, okay, anyways, I was on this date, and she brought you guys up, and then I go to Vid Summit, like, two weeks later. Yes. And then I hear, like, talk on the street.

People are like, these Sam and Colby guys, like, they're here. And I'm like, oh. Sam and Colby, like, they just moved to Vegas, and they're like, my age. That's all I knew. Never seen a video. None of that. I knew you're my age. You live in Vegas. And then my Tinder date, she brought that up.

And then I see you guys. just by happenstance and like hey guys nice to meet ship right on the ship it was at an after party after vid summit and I see you guys like on one we were at together yeah we're yeah the ship yeah yeah yeah and ship the yacht yeah whatever it was a boat party after party for this massive YouTuber convention I think it's something massive cruise ship I think like a naval ship or something like on the ship the sailboat the tiny little bird it was it was a it was a ship guys. It was a massive yacht ship. But anyways, we were on this boat and I see you guys getting some food. I'm like, hey guys, I'm Jack. Nice to meet you. I live in Vegas. And you guys were

so friendly, chill. You gave me your phone number. And then we just like ever since then have been like hanging out. We get food and stuff like that. Some pickleball here and there. You know what you should do is text that girl a picture right now. So I feel like it's a pretty commonly known fact that running a business can be incredibly challenging and trying to stay organized using a bunch different spreadsheets and softwares can end up taking more time and energy than what it's worth. Now, here at the iced coffee hour, we're all about simplifying things and making them as easy as possible. And our sponsor, NetSuite, is able to help you do just that as long as you remember these three numbers, 37,000, 25, and 1. 37,000, because that's so many companies have already

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a picture right now. Oh. Dude, yeah. See if she respond. Do it. By the end of the podcast, he's got another date. Yes, how about this,

guys? Keep watching because at some point in the podcast, we will show you her response. She's like, ew. Yeah, she's like, oh. There we go.

She's like, wow, they are so much hotter than you. No. It's the last time you talked to her. I don't know, not like super long ago. Let me see the last message. I'm not going to show you the last message, bro.

We want to see it. I think she actually texted me somewhat. The last message is like, oh, she said, did you break your leg or what when I got the injury? So you're still talking to a year and a half later? No, that was like the first time she reached out to me in a long time. In a year and a half. Why is this what you really want to dive into, Graham?

We love diving into Jack's love life. We're here for Sam and Colby. Okay, but anyways, that's the case. We became friends, and ever since then, we've been hanging out. For those that are wondering, like, this is the most unlikely collaboration that we've ever thought of, because we're in very different circles. I was going to say, have you ever had anybody like us on this podcast? Mr. Ballin.

Mr. Ballin. Yeah. Does the scary stories, right? Yeah. He's crushing it. Yeah, the episode that we did with him did, like, over two million views. Dang. Everything he touches turns to gold.

It does. He's got that star about. He's got that star about. Yeah. Clips all to over a million views. Yeah, the grocery was insane. Yeah. He took over the space.

So I'm curious, how did you guys first meet? Our parents made us do band, and we both didn't really like doing it, and so we kind of bonded over the fact that we didn't want to be there. What instrument did you guys pick? You were alto. I was a saxophone, clarinet. I did clarinet. Okay, cool. And then tenor saxophone and jazz band.

Okay. So. Good old stuff. What didn't you like about that? It just, it was something that, so my grandpa was the drum major. And so he made my dad do band and then my dad like forced me to do band as well. So it was just one of those things where it's like when your parents forced you to do something, you're just not going to like it no matter what it is.

I didn't hate it. Like looking back on it, I'm glad I did it because I met a lot of lifetime friends and stuff. But it was just one of those things where I was like, oh, like I hated going to practice, especially in the summer and stuff. Like we'd miss a month of our summer just because we were. There's a lot of work. Yeah, practicing all the time. There was one good thing about band camp.

and that was the really hot senior drum major. Yeah, so we both had a crush on the senior drum major, and we couldn't talk to her at all. And so that's what we bonded over. We sat in a corner, twidling on our thumbs, going, you go talk to her, no, you go talk to her. We can't talk to her. Let's talk to each other.

And so that's how we became friends. We had a little crush, and we were like, fuck, like, how do we talk to this girl? And then so we decided to, all right, let's, I guess, change that. Yeah, we were very shy and awkward people. We still are kind of shy and awkward right now, but we were very, very shy and awkward like when we were like 13, 14.

And so we bonded over the fact that we couldn't talk to this girl. And like we were both, like you said, just trying to like dare each other to go up and like say something, but we couldn't. And so we were just like, hey, we both have this issue. How do we solve it?

Let's go to the mall. The only thing in Kansas City, like where everybody went to from all the school districts was this one mall called Oak Park Mall. Yeah, we decided to go there every single weekend and throw ourselves in the deep end of social situations

and kind of like, Not even just pick up girls, but like go talk to everybody in any social situation to kind of put ourselves out of our comfort zone to learn how to talk to people. So it's like a specific experience that you guys dared each other to do with them all. Go high five. First person to high five, 25 people wins. And so we'd run around like to everybody. Like just like random things that would get your heart racing. Yeah.

Or like be like, all right. So we play this. Well, we got this from Kong from a simple pickup. This is a YouTube channel a long time ago. I taught confidence to guys. But anyway, this is one of the games. It's basically called Go. So I would tell him, like, hey, go fall in front of that group of girls right now.

And if you don't do it, 20 pushups. And so we do things like that. So like, you know, either do the pushups or you go make a fool of yourself. Or I get to tell him the pickup line that he has to go use on the next girl. And it was atrocious. But the crazy thing about that game specifically is like why it was called Go is I think we had, what, a five second rule where he would like prompt me with something like, go fall in front of these girls and then count down from five. So I couldn't even have any excuses.

You can't think about it. Once you think about it for more than five seconds, you're going to overthink it and then you're going to be in your head and you're never going to do it. And again, we're not recommending that everybody does this and stuff, but we were 15 years old at this point. And so it really worked for us back then being like minors. And like I wouldn't recommend like a 27 year old to like fall in front of a bunch of girls.

It taught us a lot about rejection. Why were you so shy? Why do you think that is? how we grew up and yeah just naturally there was like an experience you remember that maybe taught you like i shouldn't be as outgoing or i shouldn't like put myself out there so much or like embarrassment for me just generally like it was insecurity okay yeah like it was so bad like if i was sitting next to like a group of people and like the teacher called on me i would cry because i was like i didn't want to be on spot like it was like it was horrible so is it like an anxiety thing where you could

call in like all of a sudden you kind of freeze and panic. Oh yeah that was like my worst fear. I mean most people's worst fear is like public speaking but for me like it was even just talking or saying hi to somebody. So I'm very glad we're out of that now. But I feel like a lot of young people go through that too where they feel that insecurity. Yeah. So how long did that take you to overcome a lot of those feelings by going out to the mall and like practicing? It's like a year. Yeah, probably like we've really noticed a difference after a year and I would say we were very, very different people after two years. But we worked at it. Like we would write down exactly what we wanted to do and like the challenges and stuff. And we didn't treat it as like, oh, let's just go to the mall and

like gain confidence. It was like we put it on whiteboards and stuff like that. Like my dad would drop us off at like 10 a.m. at the mall and then pick us up at 10 p.m. And we'd be running like, you know, these games and stuff like that the entire time. Would he know what you were doing? Yeah. He encouraged it. He encouraged it. He like would even talk to us and brainstorm about things that we could do, like things we could say or things that we could practice. to like get better at speaking. So how long did it take you to get good at that? I can imagine after like two, three months you're getting pretty proficient at going up and be like, all right, we know we could high five strangers, but can you get a phone number?

Exactly. All right. First to get three phone numbers like now, go. Exactly. I mean, it escalated pretty quickly. I mean, it started off with high fives and ended with, you know, singing carols on the food court tables in front of like 500 people. Were you filming it? We didn't for two years, but that's where our vine career started. So when we we did this for two years, then, you know, Colby came to me and being like, hey, I see these people on Vine, these mad convoys back in the day, they're doing a lot of stupid pranks in public. We pretty much do that already.

What if we just film it? Because we can do exactly what they're doing. And we literally do it every single weekend, but just for fun. And so that's where the Vine and social media thing started. What was the first Vine you posted? Well, it was at the Oak Park Mall. Okay. It's Oak Park Mall.

I want to go. It's a legendary. They hate us. We're actually banned there for life. Are you actually? We're banned there for life, but we're in their Zoomies, you know? Yeah, have you been back recently or anytime? Yeah, we go back and they're cool with you guys now. Well, if they saw us, technically they can arrest us. They can arrest us at any time. Technically, because we sign like a contract or whatever. If you step in the mall, we did arrested immediately, but we've been. So for legal purposes, we haven't been. We never been back. Can't you hire a lawyer just overturn that and just. like work it out like it might be worth it just to be able to go back to like the place it started yeah yeah what was the one prank that you did that got you like banned for life oh god it was it the couch yeah but we took a couch out of like one of the public areas both got on it rode up and down the escalators a couple times and then put the couch back and they're like that's a destruction of property or something was this a vine yeah you filmed it yeah it's funny it was bad

it's a harmless prank yeah but that's like that takes a lot of confidence to do do that. That's like not just your average person, not even like not your top like, I don't know, 10% of people in confidence levels would do that. Exactly. Yeah. But we had just finished that year of gaining the most confidence we've ever had in our entire lives. So we were like on cloud nine of like not giving a fuck. As you already may have heard me mention, I recently hurt my ankle playing basketball, although we were cooking the opponents 11 to 3. Going through this, I realized just how hard it is to get a hold of a doctor, let alone finding a doctor that accepts new patients and accepts your insurance. And that's where our sponsor, ZocDoc,

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So what was that first vine that you posted? It was called first vine, yo. Okay. It's super stupid. We just did what, you know, the craziest thing that we had been practicing thus far. And so we just screamed, this is our first vine, yo. We jumped on to, like, the food court and, like, screamed at the top of our lungs. And it was a full, it was like 6 p.m.

Everyone's eating. There's probably 300 people there. Screamed on the top of our lungs and then jumped off and ran around. Yeah. And it was literally so stupid. First vine, yo. And then screamed, jumped off the table. What were people's reactions when they see that?

Are they laughing at clapping? Are they just like, do you know what are these guys doing? Yeah, dead silence. It's super awkward. There's this guy that I follow on TikTok who does similar sort of social experiments and he shows that like you could do whatever you want in public and nobody cares. And he'll walk through a malls like this and you see people just straight ahead. They pay no attention.

He's like you could act however you want in public and no one's going to do anything and no one cares so it doesn't matter. So I think that's kind of the biggest thing we realize of this entire process is like people don't care about you. Like as much as like that's hard to hear, you think that everyone's looking at you. No one cares because they got their own problems, their own things in their life, their own things that they're focused on. So you can do whatever you want. You can say whatever you want. You can be whoever you want to be. Because at the end of the day, they're going to focus on them. You're going to focus on you. Or if they do notice you doing something like that, they'll forget about it

in a week or two. Like none of those people are going to remember our first fine. You know what I mean? Like they're not going to be like, do you guys remember in like 2013 when these two kids screamed Maybe they do at this point, but I don't know. Maybe they do. Legendary, 13 years later, let's go. I don't know. One of my biggest fears is getting up on a table at one of those, like, mall food courts and, like, yelling.

Or trying to get everyone's attention. You need to do it. It's a freeing feeling, dude. Yeah. And we were terrified. We were just like, attention, attach it. Because I've seen, like, the simple pickup people do it. And then I think it was Jason,

who would go on the table and say, excuse me, everyone, quiet down, quiet down. That girl right there. let me go talk to you and then you would just walk up and like get a number I think that was one of them yeah I think that's fine where we got the idea to like get people's attention to have everyone look at you as like you're a disturbance yeah but what did you do it once and you realize your life is not over but is it a good feeling is like a freeing feeling or is it kind of like oh I just did that you know and then you just like yeah I mean that's why we did it was because it was an

adrenaline rush and we were so shy that like pushing ourselves to that extreme like screaming when we're not able to talk in classrooms, it just made us feel like we could do anything. It desensitizes you to all your other fears. Like, imagine you do the thing that you're absolutely most scared of, and you realize, that wasn't so bad. Then the next time you want to do it,

you can push it even further. You can push it even further. Or that other thing that you're very scared of doesn't seem so bad. So do you think that anxiety that you had, even if it's not like anxiety disorder, let's just say it was like a derivative of that? Do you think that's something that can actually be conquered

and solved by something like this? Or do you think there's still like an under, level of low-grade anxiety that people just carry with themselves their entire life. They can do their best to mask it, but you can't conquer it. It's hard to say because obviously we're not like medical professionals at all. We were never noticed. Right, but in your own life with the anxiety that you had. I have always had anxiety my entire life.

And even after 15, I would say like I was the most confident I was when I was 15-16. But like it's always been there. I've learned that anxiety is something that you can like learn to deal with and suppress. will always be there in certain situations. But again, like, it's something that you have to practice at every single day. Like, if you're practicing constantly putting yourself out of your comfort zone, it's way easier, at least personally speaking, to talk to other people and have less anxiety. I think it's very interesting the difference between us,

because I think to your question, it's a personal use case. I mean, we weren't diagnosed with anything, so maybe other people are very different. But for us, like, after this experience of, like, the confidence era in high school and going through all the social media stuff, I feel like I changed and didn't go back any bit. But I also think I was like probably even worse in terms of anxiety and like, you know, social insecurity than you were.

But nowadays, I feel like I, once I was able to accomplish that, I didn't really go back to ever like that super hardcore insecurity anxiety. But I feel like you maybe were different. Yeah, we're like different in those ways. I feel like it's a muscle where if you don't actively exercise it, you lose.

it. That's where I'm at. For me, it's like I used to be really social when I was like a real estate agent talking to everybody and now I just don't have the skills anymore. So I've lost it completely. And even now like going out and socializing it's like twice a week really and now I have to actively like work on myself and kind of think about it a little more than I used to. Definitely. It's a skill set for sure. And I think people forget about that. There's people like you, which I'm jealous of that like you can take that one experience and then use it for life. But yeah, for me it's like I just constantly have to be putting myself out of my comfort zone to like feel that yeah security so were all of your vines these like big stunts in front of

people initially for like probably a year yeah yeah we called it our public disturbance era yeah where we just like go in and reek out of the time it was like you know elevator pranks this is a escalator prank so yeah that was like the start of the prank era I feel like where it really became popular right 2014 to what 2016 something like that yeah and that's one vine died in 2016 and so we had to pivot over to YouTube. So were you making any money at that point on Vine or no? It's just like you're gaining a following. We were getting some money from brand deals every once in a while. We probably started making money on Vine after about a year. We could, we moved out to Los Angeles with about just under a million followers on Vine. And to give you

reference, we could barely make rent. Like maybe if rent was, you know, just around 3K with utilities and everything like that. We were making maybe like four or five K. We could say how much we moved out with though, right? It would be funny if you're like we could barely make rent at like $40,000 a month. That manchin, it was the same. Barely.

Crazy. We were super humble, though. No, we had 15 grand in our bank account. Total? Yeah. Come on. Yeah. So you guys had a joint account at the time.

Yeah, we started Sam and Colby Enterprises in Kansas. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Your dad helped us with that, actually. Yeah, so I came out and visited it. Yeah, my senior year in like winter, and we're like, we need to be in LA. Like if we want to continue the social media thing, we have to.

Like that was the era of all collaborations and that was the main way to grow. And then so my dad set us down and was like, okay, if you guys can get $20,000, then I'll let you guys take a gap or I'll let me take a gap year. So it's completely him too. And so basically we spent six months trying to rack up as much cash as we possibly could. And although we only got 16, they were like, yeah, go for it. That's, you know, three to five months rent. and expenses and stuff like that, like, you probably won't die.

What's your dad's background to be able to say, all right, you get this amount, you could go and move here and, like, you need X amount of expenses. Like that, like most parents, I feel like wouldn't do that. They would just say, oh, you want to do that, you know, good luck. We're here to you have a crash to sleep on. Yeah. I mean, my dad was a pivotal part in our success, I think. Oh, for sure.

Helped us form businesses. He taught us about personal finance. He taught us about, like, management, gave us a bunch of books to read. And just encouraging words were the best. Yeah. Like he would just like we would be doing all these crazy stuff and like a lot of like our friends and family members were like what are you guys doing going to them all at the time. But he was just like no, you guys are like growing faster than everybody else. Like keep doing this.

I like that. Yeah. What's his background? What does he do? He did a bunch of different stuff. We started accounting and became more managerial stuff. Oh, that's why. Yeah.

It's good with money. He was a marketing manager, a bunch of different companies and stuff like that. And he was bouncing around. But his main thing at the end was like consulting people on how to run a business. And so he looked at us. It was like a little business and obviously he cared about us more than anything else. So he was like, no. Like you guys, like people don't think about this, you know, personal growth stuff when they're 15.

This is like later on in life. So take this charge. Like here's like, you know, where you should learn about your finances. And here's the answer you'd learn about your life and confidence and here's books and stuff. He's always giving ideas. What books did you give you? Dude, first one, I will recommend to everybody ever. How to Win Friends and Outs.

I love that book. I always tell you to read that book. It's one of my favorite books. You're any walk of life, but especially a young person. Read How to Win Friends and Influence People. I agree. It's an older book, too. I think it was like early 1900s.

It's like 100 years old. It's public domain now, I believe. So you could just look it up online for free. Yeah. Right. So it's interesting to read it now in 2024. I just read it last year for the first time. Are you serious?

Yeah. So audio books are free on YouTube. Yeah, that's very true. But like all the examples that Dale Carnegie uses are like, like figures in the late 1800s. It's really interesting. It all still applies, you know? It's like life doesn't change too much.

The human psyche doesn't change too much. So you can apply all those different things. Great book. Different people and just like listening to different podcasts or like, you know, the rich dad, poor dad type of stuff. Just the generalized here. Get a basic sense of life. And then whenever we had questions,

he was the guy to read contracts or help us negotiate on brand deals at the start. It was really helpful. So when you moved to L.A., did you live in that Hollywood and Vine building? Like, everyone else in Vine? Did you actually? We didn't move to that building initially. So 2015, we were in Studio City, just a random spot. 2016, we moved to Vine because we didn't have enough.

But 15K in our bank account, we could not move there. Because that was expensive. That was the spot to be. Yeah. It was almost 5K a month to live there. 5K for a 2 bedroom? For 2 bedroom and 1600. Yeah.

So it was like, we pretty much, it was probably not the best financial move for us because everyone was there yeah but it was the greatest thing in the world for our career yeah was that at the time Logan Paul was living there yeah Logan can badge Bieber had like the penthouse at the time really he was living there yeah yeah he lived up on did you ever see him those beans are there but no we never saw okay we weren't that cool he had his own elevator probably probably yeah everybody lived there so how were you supporting yourself at the time like were you making enough on vine brand deals to keep this going like did you ever worry about like running out of money.

At first for sure. We were worried about it, but at the same time, we were on, again, both of our parents said, like, all right, guys, you have a gap year. If you don't make, they didn't even give us like an X amount, but they were just like, if you don't make it pretty much, both you got to go back to like, KU or college, whatever. And so, yeah, we were live streaming all the time. It was a grind. It was a grind.

There was a big pivotal moment in our financial career, and that was probably, six to eight months after we moved to LA. So we're basically running on brand deals and live streaming for a while. And tour money. We would go on tour and emce the shows because we weren't big enough so we'd like pitch tour companies

and be like, why don't we just like host them then? And they were like, all right, you guys have a little bit of a following. This was the MagCon tour? This was right after MadCon. So we missed the initial MadCon. But those types of things. Like press play, if you've heard of them

or Digitour, things like that. Very small. like type of things. But yeah, basically we were running on that money and that was okay. We were definitely making just above rent, but we're like, this is going to be very stressful for a very long time. And then we actually met Kong in person. We met him. In 2015. Him and Jesse in 2015 and they taught us about subscription services. How did you meet them?

At VidCon. One of those like events, you know. Really? It was just like a bunch of YouTube. I remember, so it was an after party. And I remember like seeing Kong in the distance. and then just like fan-girling to say, I'm like, oh my God, like, that dude changed our lives. Like, oh, my God.

Should we go talk to him? Like, no, we shouldn't. We shouldn't. We can't be weird. And then we were just like, wait, we've been doing that like our entire lives, like throwing ourselves out of our comforts. And I was like, we have to. And so I went up and like tapped his shoulder.

And he was like in a conversation. He said, like, give me one second. I'm going to finish this and then talk to you guys. And I just straight up said like, hey, man, like, we are here because of you. And you changed our lives and like just basically like, he was like yo dude we love you yeah and he could see like how genuine we were being and he was interested in our businesses and taught us about subscription services yeah he was like I know like the best way to make money no one's doing this so I think you guys should try it out and so we ran our first subscription service

and that was insane for us like yeah at this point we were making yeah like 5k a month and then when we launched our first subscription service I think it went up to like 15k a month and we were like I don't Oh, wait, we are going to make it. Like, we're not going to have to go home to Kansas, and that was, like, the coolest thing in the world. They were really ahead of their time, so simple pickup. I remember when they came out with Project Go for $5 a month,

and I remember how many people signed up for that thing. I was blown away. I think that was 20, like 13. They had to be one of, if not the first subscription service. Yeah, I think we're way ahead of their time. I thought it was a genius idea. And I think also at the time they were doing, like, boot camps in addition to that.

I mean, it was such a good business to be in. They were super smart, like, behind the scenes. And we were lucky to meet them. I think we met them six months after we moved or less. Yeah, probably, yeah, six months. And within a couple months after that, they had helped us launch our first description service. They basically took the skeleton of Project Go and, like, gave us everything,

like all the code and stuff. And we're just like, hey, use this for your own project. And we ended up doing something called the Life Project way back in 2015, which was all about, like, teaching people, like, things at school doesn't. So, like, how to be happy, to the best. of our ability. You know, obviously we're not medical or therapist at all, but like how to be happy or like how to make friends, things like that. This might sound stupid, but did they just do this

for free? Or was it like we could work out something? Yeah. One, we were a guinea pig for them. So basically any product and stuff they wanted to test, they could test it on us. And they also got a percentage of whatever made. So they were, they were doing it for a couple different reasons. But I obviously, the stuff they were putting into us, they did not. Oh, I bet. Yeah, no. It's a at all. So shout out to them for helping us. This was just a website that you guys would upload unique content to and people would pay a subscription to access it kind of just similar to Patreon. Patreon before Patreon, man. Correct. Yeah, 2015. Okay, so that's massive. So you went to 15KM month with this thing. Yeah. Yes. And then you could support yourselves and were you on YouTube at this point or no? We were doing YouTube, but we were extremely small. Like we were getting like zero views pretty much. We also made a horrible decision. This is one of the contracts I didn't run past my dad and we got scammed. So we were in a three-year contract with a scam company that got all our ad sense since the day we started. So we didn't make any money on YouTube at all for the first three years.

Was that like one of those MCNs where they were like, hey, sign us. We're going to help you with copyright claims and monetization. And it was just like a click of a button and then they got everything. Was it a contract? That's why? Or were they like, did they have access to your channel or something? I think they had access to the back end of our channel. So long ago. And the contract was three years. and they didn't provide any value. Zero. Did they tell you that they were going to take

100% of the revenue? No, they said they were going to take 10%. And then they just took everything. We didn't see... Are you serious? For three years. We got scammed.

It was some Australian company. But why couldn't you just like kick them out of the channel? Because you were like in then with the contract going outside of the contract you're scared of that. How expensive is that?

You got to fight an Australian company that's difficult. Yeah, we weren't just scared to that point. We weren't, you know, doing really well. And so we were like, okay, like,

how much is that lawyer? How much is this big battle going to be? And like, are we going to win? We also were just super naive to how much money you can make on YouTube at this point. So we were only making our money from live streaming and Vine.

So we didn't even know like AdSense was worth it. Right. So we were like, oh, whatever. AdSons is like, no big deal. And then it turned off and we're like, oh, we missed out. Do you feel comfortable sharing

how much that amount would have been? I don't even know. Honestly, it's not that much. Again, we were really small. This is probably before 200Ks. So I mean less than 5k. Oh, okay. A lawyer would have been 20K to fight this. Exactly. So it wouldn't have. We were not getting any views on you two. It really wasn't that big

video. Luckily like it's a good lesson to us learn that early on. I mean $5,000 lesson is really inexpensive. Yeah, definitely. So I think I found you guys shortly afterwards just unknowingly through that killing prank Sam Pepper. Yeah. Could you walk us through? Because that I remember seeing that at the time and thinking like this is crazy and I've never seen anything like it before and I had mixed feelings on it because I was like it's so intense but it's also like what a video and it like well I think it blew up on YouTube at the time I think it had to be like the biggest thing on YouTube it's still on all the top 10 worst pranks ever pulled on YouTube 10 years do I see this compilation and that was this is sunny V2 is like talking about this right he

did? I think the top 10. Anytime someone mentions Sam Pepper, it's like, ah, yeah. It's just crazy that we did that in 2015 and now being 2024. It's like nine years later this is following us.

But no, the story was basically we, again, we're very small on social media and we were walking around what's it called? The Santa Monica Promenade. Yeah. Walking around the promenade and we saw Sam Pepper. He was big at the time.

He was one of the biggest. Yes, I remember that. Is that that big U.K.? Why is he here? We had no idea really about him But we were like all we know is he's a big guy So we're like let's go shoot our shot What's up? And he was like really taken a back by it

He was like oh what and we were like dude for the last two years We've been doing like public service pranks and stuff and I we think he did pranks at the time And we're like let's just do a prank like whatever you want to do let's let's you know do a collaboration We had never really met another YouTuber Yeah he was excited like we were kind of confused why he wanted to collab with us because we had like 200k or something like that Start a lot Yeah, but he had like 2.2 million. So it was like 2 million more than us.

And we didn't realize that he had like a little bit of controversy like surrounding his name. And that's why he was so stoked to just have somebody excited to film with them. And so we got on like brainstorm calls of like how can we make the most viral prank ever? Like and we were just throwing out these the craziest most radical ideas. And he was like, so what do people like you? And we're like, well, pretty much everyone falls. It's just for our friendship. Yeah.

like okay well the worst thing it could possibly happen to a friendship someone dying in front of your eyes like we're not thinking extremes and you guys like yeah yeah we're like it press send where's that contract oh god that's horrible bad very bad in retrospect but if you think of it in a business perspective it was loki genius it was we did it on his channel it got 10 million views in one week on every single news station, we gained like 100 or 200K like instantly. So it like boosted us on YouTube. It's probably one of if not still the biggest exposure we've ever had. Oh, for sure. Because it still gets talked about now 10 years later. I think from a branding perspective that was probably a genius

idea. I mean very few ideas and concepts could be taken to that extreme to get that amount of reach and elicit that type of response everywhere. Exactly. I mean that was probably a one billion view video when you really really think about through all platforms, all the people that have watched it multiple times. Over this whole last decade. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's, people still talk about it all the time.

And when we bring it up, they're like, oh, I've seen that video. I didn't know it was you guys. So yeah, it took me a little bit to realize that was you guys. Yeah. And same as the following fat people. I didn't realize, I didn't realize that was you guys either. Yeah. I saw that and I thought that was the, I think it was in like middle school or something

at the time. And I saw him like, this is the funniest thing I've ever seen in my entire life. like, you know, Revine or whatever, did all this stuff. And then I found out, like, probably four months ago that that was you guys. Oh, yeah. Everybody knows. Nobody knows. Now, if you're watching this right now, you might notice that we're extra clear today,

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But Sam, people say you're amazing actor. Thank you. Most people don't believe me that that was acting. They're still like, oh, he got traumatized. That was real. but I had tried to work on making myself cry for like three weeks before that break. How do you make yourself cry? You can't even do it anymore.

Yeah, I mean, I haven't tried in a very, very long time, but it's just like you watch tutorials on what you think about, how you get yourself in the zone. And there was like while we were shooting that, you know, we did the first scene and then the second scene is the rooftop where Colby gets shut. And so while that was whole prep, that whole prep thing, I spent like 30 minutes by myself. car listening to sad music being like I'm actually putting myself in that moment of if Colby died in front of my eyes

and so like yes it was acting but it was also me like genuinely believing it was which is acting it was impressive like really impressive I have to say yeah I did research on that clip earlier today I watched it a few times and then I saw response videos everything in the last like eight years recent things now and I go back to watch it even after I've seen everything and I look at that and I still think no maybe Maybe there's a chance that's real. And you're just saying this and, you know. But it's so good. But it's so good.

Friends that don't even believe. Really close friends. That they're like, no, you can't lie to me. Like, that wasn't acting. You actually got traumatized. But cool. Yeah. Believe what you want to believe.

It's all good. It's just weird because you can't do it now. Like I watch that and I cry. Like literally we'll probably watch it six months ago. And I saw it. They're like, that guy is so, so sad. It's like, it's messed up. It's messed up.

And we thought it was going to like, like we'd have like more of a positive reaction at least from our like peers and family our peers and family I'm not saying from my best of intent I'm not saying from like general audience but like we thought like like we texted the simple pickup guys like afterwards like hey like look like look at this big like marketing PR move or whatever and they were like guys this is horrible. I was like what is doing? Our parents were pissed off. Dude I think that happens to everybody. You go in and be like this is fantastic and then other people you know what do you just do? It was a learning experience for sure.

Well, it did. Everyone is watching it. Yeah. Yeah. Luckily, we got out of the prank world and started doing some things away from that. Yeah. But that didn't turn out good either. We got arrested.

Yeah. So I noticed from after that you went to abandoned buildings. Whose idea was it to go and explore places you shouldn't be? So back in Kansas, other than going to this one mall, the only other thing to do was, you know, explore haunted houses and abandoned buildings. and things like that. There's not much to do in Kansas. So it was something that we had done quite frequently, actually, when we were kids and just like with our buddies.

And so, yeah, after this random date, he was like, oh, I took this girl to, like, a cool, like, place to explore. What if we did this on our YouTube channel? Yeah, because we were, like, after the whole best friend prank thing, like, for the next, like, two years, we were just doing all the kind of corny, like, challenges that were a big thing in 2015, 2016,

like, what girls like about guys? as like sort of things. Were you growing in viewership from that? Were you still riding that? It was pretty much stagnant. You were still writing that sand pepper video. Yeah. And I mean, we weren't like declining.

And we still had like, before Vine died, we had 1.7 million on there. And so we had like kind of a core audience from Vine that watched, we had like about 100K people that would like watch our stuff, I would say. Maybe like 60, 100K.

But like we would just make this content that we did not like whatsoever and just felt kind of like corny to us. And so. We weren't super passionate about it. Yeah, we weren't like super happy while filming it too. So obviously you guys know this as well, being YouTubers and stuff. It's that like the audience can pick up on genuine emotion.

And if you're not having a good time doing something, people can tell. And so I think that was kind of it where people like enjoyed watching us but knew that we were in like the wrong sort of schick or niche. And so yeah, I went on a date with this random girl and looked up this spot called Hell's Gate. It was like in Pasadena or something like that. And like just like giant like damn that was like. rumored to be cursed or whatever. Was this a first date? I think so.

So you took a girl to a... I really hope she was from Timber. That would just make this. First date? She was like, yeah, let's go. We have a super down. I'm like, what? How did she agree to that?

Was she just like... Well, I never saw her again afterwards. Oh, okay. She got cursed from that. Probably not a good first date. But yeah, a couple days later, we were running out of YouTube ideas, and I was like, why don't we do this? And we tried it, and just,

genuinely had so much fun and had so much fun editing it too, like the post production and all that. And it did really well on our channel. 3X all over other stuff. Okay, 300,000 views. Like, not only are we more happy doing it, but also we're getting such a better response. So we just kind of dove into it. We're like, wait, okay, that makes sense. The more that we're passionate about something and just genuinely interested in things,

it'll, like, do better. So we kind of ran with that and started exploring all over the United States and then even all around. You want to talk Australia, Explore Abandoned places. I think we did that over three years. How do you find these places? Do people reach out and say, hey, I know the spot? Or do you research on your own? So initially we had to research everything,

which was the worst part ever. We hated it. But after we did it for like six months, we just would get DMs and emails of people being like, oh, check this out here, check this out here. And then we met like, shout out exploring with Josh. Back then, like he was the the biggest, like, explorer. He still is,

would say. Like the biggest explorer like on YouTube, on YouTube, and he had a spreadsheet of like thousands of these abandoned spots. And he would be like super happy to help us if we were like, hey man, like we're going to Cincinnati. Where's like five spots around here? He was like, go here, here, here, here. When we first started though, it was pretty run and gun. We were just talking about this the other day. We'd like go to a spot. Maybe we'd have one location, but we'd stay there for a week. And then the first night in the hotel room, we'd just look up on our computer, abandoned spots and we'd try them. And sometimes they were done. And sometimes they were done. And so we'd go to like five or six places in a day and only film maybe three.

But then, you know, we just try our best to get in just based on like Reddit stories or thing Google searches and stuff. And how was growth during that time? Was it exponential? Like you guys just started going really fast or was it still pretty linear? So we got like our initial buzz off of the Explorer content or whatever. But I think it was in combination with us moving into like a content house that we called the trap house.

Not good for brand. Not a good brand in here. All right. But it was 2017, so we were like 20 years old. And yeah, we moved in with a bunch of like other YouTubers and this guy named Elton, who was like a part of a David's group at the time, the vlog squad. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so we would be featured on his channel a lot.

And at the time, correct me if I'm wrong, I think they had more subscribers than us, TFI. Or at least got more views. But it was like we had, I think it was at least between five or six different channels. And we were all swapping views. We're all like collaborating on each other channels. They would come explore with us. We'd come do their stuff. And so this big collab house really helped.

And then also we were in a much smaller niche than we had ever before. Like when you compete with everybody else that's doing challenges or mainstream type of videos, that's one thing. But like you said, maybe exploring with Josh and two or three other people were exploring. And so when we were the only one of the only people that are doing it, it's easier to rise. And we also figured out like how to make ourselves. stand out a little bit more than the other people in the exploring niche. Like, for example, Josh, and I would tell this to his face. Like, he knows this, of course, but he's very, like, documentary filming with his explorations.

Like, he'll start the video inside the place, and, like, it's very slow-paced and very informational-based. Sam and I was focused more on branding and not getting arrested. Yeah. We didn't care about that. We focused on showing the adventure of, like, running from the cops and, like, sneak-in in and stuff like that. So we were both doing the same sort of niche, but we showed more of the adventure.

I think that's why like we kind of paved our own lane. How did you get arrested? It was in Florida, Tampa, Florida. Yeah, it's just so horrible. Yeah, so basically there was an abandoned school, and it was under construction, and it was in the middle of a neighborhood, and we should have looked this up before we had a team or anything. But apparently in the state of Florida, trespassing on a construction site is a felony. It's like a federal crime.

We had no idea. And so we hopped a fence where all the signs said like... In the middle of the neighborhood too. Yeah, we were stupid. There's probably like 50 people watching us do this. And so when you hopped in, immediately, apparently someone just called to us. Yeah. So within 30 minutes.

We talked about it before, too. Like before we even like, we were with two other guys as well. And we were all just like, is this a good idea? Like there were signs everywhere being like, you will be arrested if you do this. And did you just not believe the signs? We believed it. Makes for good content. We've been seeing that.

nine for three years mind you. Okay. Like, we hop every fence that says that you're going to be arrested and we never had been arrested. And we had ran from multiple cops like in the past with that

so we were like, how do you run from cops? Do they not just like pursue you? I feel like you can't outrun. This is like a muscle that when you practice it, you get better. So you just get like faster faster running.

Better hiding, better at getting around people. Like, I mean, think about it. The cop doesn't want to go inside the abandoned place. They don't know who we are. They don't know we have in our backpack, so they wait outside. We know the abandoned spot, and so we'll sneak our way around, get out the back, call the car,

whatever we had to do to get around. Okay, so it's not like a, like a, you know, on foot chase. No, it's like, you know, right behind us. We'd probably give up, but we get around. So you're not going to physically, like, run from the, if they're, like, right behind. Security guards. Security guards, we've done that. So in this case, though, how is this one different?

This was different because we did exactly what you said We were looking out the windows We saw like not just one or two cops like show up It was like 10 for some reason Because it was a federal crime or whatever And so we all hit in a janitor's closet We're just like if we just wait here for two hours We're gonna be good believe

But then they got on their loudspeaker And it was like We know you're in there You have two minutes before we send in the dogs Oh And we were like, oh, fuck, no. And we're like, we cannot do dogs. Like, that's going to kill us.

That is the line. Like, as soon as I said dogs, we stuck our hands out the window. Like, sorry. Yeah. So as soon as they said dogs, we were just like, all right, you got us. But usually what happened in the past is, you know, we had, we have little baby faces, especially when we were this 20 years old. And so we were like, okay, they're going to be fine.

Like usually we would go up to them, we apologize and say, hey, we're just taking pictures. We didn't break anything. You can see our footage. we didn't break anything to get in. We'll leave. And especially when we say we're from California, like we're not going to come back to Florida. They're usually fine.

No. These guys are just complete assholes about it. And to, you know, to be fair, they're just going to make a lesson out of us. But they basically were like, I don't want to hear anything, just shut up, don't say anything, get the back of the cop car, arrested immediately.

They didn't hear us out. What was that process like of being handcuffed and like what was going through your mind? Well, it was interesting because we were all taken to different corners of the block so that we, when they all asked us like, why were you guys in there, we couldn't, you know, come up with all different stories.

You might have had the sheriff who was the dick. I had the worst one. He was an asshole. I had a deputy who was actually very nice to me and was just kind of like, oh, like, I'm only doing this because like, Paul. That's good cop, bad cop, though. Like, oh, yeah, it's not a big deal,

but just tell me what happened, man. Let's get this over with. And your guy was like, no, you got to. Yeah, seems like it's a tactic. And they all, like, left off. pretty quickly to the jail and I sat around for like 30 minutes and then my guy got a second call so I went to go to another crime scene they got another guy arrested who was definitely on some crazy drugs and I was sitting in the back of the cop car you know hands by my back with this other

guy and this guy's riling around I was screaming I didn't know they they commingle like different like people they ever read I was like what I have to be chilling next to this guy for next hour You know? Yeah. Definitely. Yeah, crazy, crazy experience. The car pulling. Yeah, carpool.

So what happens when you get to the jail? Like, do the stories match, I assume? It's just like... Kind of. I mean, I got to the jail like probably an hour before you did. I was chilling with this dude for an hour. It was scary. Yeah.

We got thrown in there. It was bad. And, you know, take the good old mug shots and you sit around in this, like, open area. It's like, are you the holding area before you get unhandcuffed, get your orange jumpsuit. of classic stuff. They tried to take like all my piercings out, but it like didn't work. Like they couldn't even take this one out. Couldn't figure it out. And then they called you up for bail. Yeah. So they called me up, you know, they're like, hey, your bail's 2K. You're going to pay it.

I was like, sure. Paid it. So they're okay, you're going to be released sometime today. I'll give you a call. They have Colby come up and say, okay, you're going to pay your bail. I was like, sure. It was 6K. But the limit in order to pay by a credit card was $5,000. or just to bail yourself out to bail yourself out in jail. So he couldn't bail himself out in jail. So he had to either call someone or I had to go out of the jail to bail him. What was the difference? So we both got trespassing charges, but then I also had two fake ID charges.

And which is so stupid because I was 22 at the time. So I had fake IDs in my wallet just like to get in the clubs when I was like 20 or whatever for an entire year that I just forgot were in like the back of my wallet. And so they were, like, when they were, like, search for me, they were just like, cool, bro, like, what is this? And I was like, do fake ideas. And those are felonies. So you had three felonies. So I had the, yeah, $6,000 bail. He had $2,000.

So how do you get out of that? What ended up happening? Well, he got to. When it's time to scale your business, it's time for Shopify. Get everything you need to grow the way you want. Like, all the way. Stack more sales with the best converting checkout on the planet. Track your chache.

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like I was like trying to sleep like horrified. Horrified. Now are they restrained in there because I'm always curious if you're in with other people who are maybe a bit unhinged or maybe not mentally there that maybe they should be restrained so that they can't just come up. up and like strangle you at night. So each like pod had a different sort of a I don't know like what people could go in there or whatever, uh, what type of people I guess. And so the initial pod where I like spent the night, everybody was pretty cool. Everybody was like besides the guy that was freaking out with me, he didn't do anything violent. He was just like definitely like mentally challenged or something. I don't know. Um, but then the next day I got my name called. I thought it

was Sam that was going to bail me out. Um, but they were just like, oh brock, you got to go to a felon pod because you have three felons. And so that pot that I got brought into was like where like murderers and things like that. Like again, this was jail and not prison though. Yeah. Did you tell me what your other roommate was in for?

Yeah. So just rewind a little bit. Like the deputy took me to this like felon pod and he was just like, dude, you don't even look like you're supposed to be in here. And I was like, I know. I trespassed. I'm not.

And he was just like, I was like, do you have any advice for me? And he was just like, go to your cell, like, your buddy should be able to bail you out in like the next, you know, four or five hours. Just lay low. You'll be fine. And so I went and I grabbed like a random book.

They had like books out in like the main like section of the pot it was called. And I went to my cell. My guy wasn't in there. And I just like sat there for an hour. Heard the door jiggle. And I was like, oh God, this is when I die. This is what I'm going to meet this like cellmate. This guy walks in.

He's like a like a bigger dude like bald head, but tad at all. over like completely head to toe look super mean and he was just like what are you in for man I was like trespassing he was like oh I was smuggling like cocaine across the entire country and I was like nice man that's fucking sick dude oh my god and then we just sparked up a conversation and he was super cool like it was like obviously I'm not like so criminals are cool or whatever but like he was just a normal ass dude and like once I explained like what I did online and He was just like, oh my God, like, that's awesome. Why don't you come out to the pod and like meet all my friends?

And I was like, I don't know, man. Like, Deputy told me to stay here and he was like, just come on. And so he brought me out to like the main pod and I met everybody. Now, what do you mean his friends? Like, how long is he in there for to make friends? Well, he was in there for months because if nobody's there to bail you out, you have to stay. Until your court date.

Yeah. So his court date was scheduled for sometime the next year. I forget. And so he was in there for months already. And he said he had a group of friends. That's all I'm going to say. And he was just like, trust me, we'll take you under our wing. Like, nothing's going to happen to you.

And so, like, they were just like, he literally shouted, like, as he brought me out, he was like, everyone would have gone meet the YouTube kid. I was like, oh, God, no, this is when I die. But they were super nice. Yeah. What were they in for? Shoot, I didn't ask, like, everybody. I'd be so curious.

You know, why are you here? Why are you here? What did you do? I don't know if you want to ask a fellow. I was afraid to do well in prison. Maybe not. You're a little too cute for prison, man. Hey.

Jack, come on. That's horrifying. It was scary. Did you learn anything from that whole experience? I feel like that would be kind of humanizing towards people in jail. Yeah. Definitely. I mean, the biggest thing I learned, and again, this is, it's going to sound bad, but I'm

just saying what I experienced, is that like, even though these people were arrested and could possibly go to prison for years or life, who knows. they were all still normal people. They were all still like shooting the shit just like anybody else would. You know, it's like it's people think that somebody that's committed one crime is just an evil person for life,

which of course it depends on the crime. I'm not defending like all criminals or whatever, but at the same time, it's like it's normal people in there. So I just realized like we were just, you know, it was kids like my age that did worse crimes than me and we were just like playing basketball together and like shooting the shit talking about social media. Or even people that did like, you know, smaller stuff.

Like there's a skis like, guy that was sitting next to you for a couple hours and he was like dude I've been in here for months and all I got was I was smoking weed yeah like dude come on and that now it's like pays bail now it's like yeah some people are I guess in how much was bail for smoking weed I don't know shoot I imagine that like I'm just saying it's the time spent you know in jail and not working would be way higher than the bail that he could post and go out and live his life yeah exactly Exactly. But I was only there for like five hours before. Were people not like sad about being in there?

Because it seems like people are just like, we were sad. I would imagine if someone's locked away for a few months, that they would be maybe depressed or feeling really down. It's hard to be social. That's what you would think. But I mean, obviously everybody has their own situation. Sometimes jail in prison for some people is like a home for them because that's all they know. So it really depends on the person, I guess.

I know the guy, my cellmate was really. really upset because he was dating this girl who was his fiance and they were supposed to get married. And his like marriage date was while he was in jail waiting for court and she could bail him out. And so like they had to like postpone all that. So again, it just depends on the person. Got it. And what ended up happening to those charges? We ended up getting them dropped.

Yeah, they were dropped. Okay. Yeah. But what was really cool is that arrest when we left. So Kobe didn't even know this, but I got out probably after 12 hours. he got after about 24 hours. When we left in the middle of the night, hashtag free Sam and Colby was trending worldwide number one.

And we had never had that type of notoriety ever. And so we're like, oh my God. And then so as soon as he got out too, we posted like our mugshots, which was not a good idea. We shouldn't have done that. But like we posted our mugshots and those went like viral. Everyone was talking about it. It was probably the biggest spotlight we'd ever been on.

That wasn't just like the best friend prank. And then our next video, like coming back to YouTube, we were averaging probably like 500K views at this point. 500 to 700K on the Explorer videos. On the Explorer videos. And then we did the next video after that, probably $5 million in a month. So it's literally like overnight,

we like 10xed our channel just from this one arrest. And it was, you know, don't get arrested. But this PR stunt of an arrest was probably the biggest thing that's ever happened to our channel. Why do you regret posting your mugshot? It seemed like there was nothing but positive. It was, you know, something you guys did a long time ago. Just lawyer people saying, like, don't be proud of it because it'll be harder for us to get

you out of the charges. Yeah. During the time it was bad. Because it doesn't show that you're probably as remorseful as you should be and taking it seriously and it's a bit of, you know. Because we were still like. Making light of it. Yeah.

Possibly going to go to court and stuff. Right. Us being like, hey, on social media. What would have been, what would have been the worst case scenario had they like, had the charges not. and drop, like what was the maximum for something like that? Could it be, like, theoretically, like, 10 years in jail? I think, like, a felon in charge is, like, we could do it have 10 years, you know,

like for a felon charge, even if it is a trespassing thing. So, but no one really pays attention to the maximum because they knew, like, what we did was not a maximum felony, you know? Right. But it could have been crazy. I'm just very glad we got out of it and then it turned out so well. And that did become a pivotal moment in our content as well. we stopped breaking into places because we can't get arrested a second time.

So we start renting out places and that's when we actually switched over at Haunted. And that basically started this whole career. Whose idea was it to do haunted? How do you pivot from abandoned to haunted? Like I wouldn't think of that. I would just, I know, I would just go like we now get permission from the property owner and we maybe bring some exposure. Yeah, well, I mean, so we were doing the explore for like two years before we got arrested or so. And there was just multiple times that we would encounter.

creepy situations doing the explore videos. And so we kind of like naturally ran into the haunted aspect. Because if you're in like a scary-house place at 3 a.m. anyways that's abandoned. Of course, when you hear a noise, it's going to be like, what's that? And a lot of abandoned locations have haunted lore to it. So that was part of our videos. Towards the end, it was like every third video was like a haunted abandoned place. And so part of the first aspect of filming was, all right, tell the story, tell them why it's

creepy and we're going to go out this specific time because of the haunted lore. And so like we kind of dabbled in the scary stuff before that, but then after we're like, okay, full-fledged and haunted because we don't really have the option to do the abandoned videos. What I don't understand is you guys seemingly like encountered a lot of adversity and failed several times like the vine thing. That got canceled. The sand pepper thing. A lot of people would see that and be like, this is cruel. I don't want to watch these guys. I'm over it.

I'm not a fan anymore. That happened. You guys get arrested, which is just objectively not a good thing. But somehow that turns into another. another pivotal moment in your career where it's a whole different level that it puts you guys at. Why do you think all of these bad things keep happening and they're just like consistently good for the career? Like how have you how do you do you intentionally use those as like catapults? We did in the past. I'm not going to lie. Why did it work with you? That's a great question. I think

Vine didn't work. The whole following fat people thing like that was our first viral video ever. So we had like less than 2,000 followers before we posted that and everybody hated us. 200 yeah less than 200 everybody hated us after we posted that and so like it didn't really work at first but we took all that like notoriety and we changed our image slowly and like it's just a PR stunt a lot of these were PR stunts and it took a while for people to gain respect back especially after the fall and fat people especially after the killing best friend praying because probably six months before people were like okay I see they're good guys for the arrest I think it's intention. People have been watching us go in and out of abandoned places for three years at that

point. We're not breaking anything. We're not destroying anything. We're doing it because it's fun and we get out. We're not trying to hurt anybody. And so when we got arrested for doing the exact same thing we were doing for three years, people realized, oh, they're not bad people. They're just like doing this to have fun and then they got caught doing it. It wasn't like we were out there selling drugs or doing something horrible. We were like, we walked into a building and then walked out. Do you feel like if those sorts of things happened nowadays that it could be responded to differently? I feel like these days people don't see nuance.

They don't allow nuance to happen in a situation. They just want to see it, see what everyone else is calling it and then like kind of just jump on. Yeah, I think timing for us was everything. I really, really fully believe if we posted following fat people or like killing best friend prank, maybe killing best friend prank would be different. But especially following fat people like now with TikTok and everything, people would just be like, oh, that's crazy, and then just move on.

So you think people are kind of desensitized to it. Like it's got to be even more extreme today to garner that sort of negativity. Because think about how much you see on, or maybe I'm personally speaking here, but just scrolling TikTok. The crazy stuff that you see every single day. But when we did that, nobody was doing it. So it was just like everybody was talking about us specifically doing that. But there's just so much content now. It's so saturated that I just don't think it's as easy to blow up.

What was the first paranormal video you did? It was, so it was right after the arrest, we went to Biltmore, right? Yeah. Biltmore Hotel. Biltmore Hotel. How did you find that? Okay. Again, back to just our research days.

Before then, we were like, didn't have really suggestions for the haunted, so we went back to just, you know, research in Los Angeles places and just going, oh, what's the scariest place to go to? And at that point, when we first started, we didn't really, like, necessarily believe all that much. No, very skeptical. Like we had like one or two like experiences. We're interested in it.

But we were like, okay, most of this stuff is probably who, whatever. And then so when we went in there, a lot of stuff started happening. And we were actually like so excited. And you could see it on camera. I was like, wait. There's so much happening. We were with our other roommates. And it's just such a fun time.

And we're like, oh, we can not only like have the same old fun time that we have been with the abandoned videos, but also have this completely new experience we've never had before. All that captured with the storytelling. and we really, really changed our editing style. All came in to become a whole different. So what happened there? Like, why was it haunted and what was your experience? It's hard to say because this was years and years and years ago,

but I do remember a story of the Black Dahlia. Was that? The Black Dahlia, like, died at the Biltmore Hotel. She died in, like, an alley nearby the Biltmore Hotel and, like, was found with, like, cuts on her face that looked like a smile or something like that, but nobody knew how she died. That was like the biggest mystery, but there was tons of murders and just deaths in that hotel in general.

There's a lot of cool things that happened in the first like eight weeks of like haunted. We also didn't research that much when we first started. Like we had zero equipment. We kind of just went in there like us for like us two and our roommates and with a camera and just kind of like asked around and like heard some stories from like the employees and that was it. Like it's not like what you see us doing now. Yeah. Yeah. The difference between our first like investigations and then what we're doing now is night and day.

I mean, we were just honestly just screwing around, having a time. So what was the moment that made you think, hey, wait a second, this could be real? Was there something that really stands out? The Queen Mary, right? There's been a bunch. The Queen Mary, I've heard, is very haunted. Yeah, right? The Queen Mary was before we started the haunted stuff.

That was probably, actually, that was probably our first haunted video, but that was before the haunted era. It was probably like six months before we fully fledged into haunted. And that was definitely the first time we truly believed. Yeah. We rented out this room called B340. It's bottom of the ship. The Queen Mary allegedly had closed this room off for 30 years.

Didn't let anybody stay in it because of weird deaths, you know, people taking their own life, all those crazy things. And then they reopened it randomly. And we got someone sent it over and they like, dude, they reopened this after 30 years because it's so haunted. I know you guys do exploring videos, but you guys should try it out. So the first we could open,

we went in. All night we're trying things. We're trying to hear stuff. We were genuinely really interested because we didn't do too many haunted videos and we didn't really believe. So we're like, let's actually figure this out. Nothing happened. And this is probably eight hours of just waiting around,

trying to get something to happen. And then we decided, okay, well, I guess it didn't work. So we turned off our cameras. We were about to leave. And then one of our mates was like, okay, how about we just try off camera? just by ourselves. I know it's like 4 a.m.

But like, let's just try. And when we turned off our cameras and sat there and really, really focused, that's when we started hearing everything. Like, we just sat there like, all right, give us a sign. Like, this is our last shot. Cameras are off, whatever.

This is purely just for our intention. Water faucet, full on, turns on, like 15 feet away. We jump up, run over to the bathroom to go see it. And, you know, it's still drivet. dripping wet and we're like, what? That was like a crazy sign. That was before we even asked, actually.

So it's like we were packing up all of our bags. We were just like, all right, this place is haunted. It's like 3 a.m. And like as soon as we turn off the camera and just like we're about to walk in the hallway, that's when the water faucet turned on. And so like we turned it on immediately and we were just like what?

And you can see like everybody's basically like in tears and you can see the water still dripping. And that's like what prompted us to be like, okay, wait, this only happened off camera. Let's turn off the camera. and then ask questions in a very serious setting. Yeah, and then, so then it started getting really real. People can probably say, waterfosset and an old ship, maybe it turns on.

That's fine. Sure. But then we started asking specific signs, and we got this knocking to happen. And so when we would ask, like, hey, can you go as a sign immediately after, every single time, we'd hear a knock. And it would happen beneath their feet on the ceiling, outside. on a window, right next to us, wherever. It was all over the place. Then we decided to just have a conversation with a thing.

And for 35 minutes, the five of us sat alone and asked questions and got a response every single time to every single type of question. And we'd try to trick it. We'd ask, you know, is there one of you? No. Okay. Is there multiple of you? Yes.

And when we get confirming answers multiple times over a 35-minute course, with every single question we ever asked getting an answer. One knock bang, yes, multiple knocks being no. So it was a really weird experience. Do you think there's any chance that someone is in a nearby room or two people just kind of messing with you? Do you think that's a possibility? We were so skeptical that and keep in mind this is like 3.30, 4 a.m.

Again, it was like a, what, a 45 minute conversation, something like that? At least. I don't know. Something like that. Yeah, 35 to 45, yeah. Something like that. But it was the, the, The thing that freaked us out the most is it was everywhere.

So it's like if there was somebody. There would have to be like at least 10 to 15 people. All around the room just like knocking. And we decided to like, okay, let's talk under our breath. So we would like be lower than a whisper and ask questions and then the knocks that still happen. Loud as can be. And there was one time when we were like, you know, like do you want us like this is our last

question, this is our last question unless you want us to stay and the entire ground shook It was like, boom, it was like huge. It was almost like a massive bookcase or something fell over. And you can really hear us like on camera, which was cool. Because we didn't know we were being filmed or anything like that, but one of our roommates recorded this audio. And so we have the audio of the conversation. And every single knock recorded.

And so you can like watch it back of our entire experience. You would think how did, a ghost would know hypothetically that like if something's recording or something, not. Exactly. I mean, it's hard to say, but like, obviously we didn't have the camera at this point. Right. We were just, like, Sam and I and one of our other roommates thought we were just solely doing this, like, off camera, like, in the dark or whatever. But one of our friends just, like, slowly grabbed his phone and just, like, auto-recorded.

And so I don't know if, like, the ghost didn't see that or whatever, but we got everything. So did this turn you into a believer? Because I know you've always been a little bit more of a believer than Sam has. Definitely. So this convinced you. Yeah, no, I was convinced especially because towards the end, our roommates were like asking more like spiritual or like semi-religious questions. And like it got into questions about like heaven and hell.

And I remember a specific question one of our roommates asked was like, is hell real or is heaven real? And it said no. And then we immediately ran away. And everybody was just like, oh, that was like a demon we were talking to. Like they were trying to like steer us away from God. And so for me, I've always been. Christian, like born and raised Christian.

And so like that was just kind of a solidifier. And what did it do for you? That completely changed my life. Yeah, I had not believed in anything before that. I wasn't religious at all. I was open to the idea. I wanted it to be real more than anything. But I never really had anything to convince me otherwise.

And so after that, it was literally a video of me like fully breaking down on camera, like on my bedroom floor being like, I've, I've never believed in anything and this truly convinced me. I had my family come out and I talked to them all about this experience, how much to change my life, everything. And that's honestly what really got me into wanting to do this paranormal stuff, just because that was probably, even though it was kind of negative, the things that we were hearing from this thing, whatever we were talking to, it gave me more of a sense of hope than I ever had before because I never really believed in anything. And so this whole, journey, this whole process of us doing paranormal ghost hunting. Of course, great for business. It's

really, really cool with the videos. But I think people can tell that we're generally interested in this, genuinely interested in this, because of how much it affected me and you and just our religious beliefs. Like, we want this to be real more than anything. So why do you want it to be real? Because I don't want to believe that when we die, it's black. Because that is not very hopeful. and so when I hear these things or see these things that make me believe that there might be something more, it gives me hope. But isn't that kind of what religion is just in a sense? Yeah, I am unable to just take the words of a book and say that that is real. I'm like, everyone else is to be proof.

I need proof and I want proof. And I know that's so sad. It's never perfect proof. That's the thing that just is really hard for me to accept. You know, with all of this information, it's never something that you can visually see. You know what I mean? It's like a voice. It's always knocks or it's always like a curtain moving, a faucet turning on, or a door shutting or something like that.

Well, how do you explain some of these things where they test for people who can, they're in the hospital room and they're being operated on? And then they could repeat back to the doctor exactly what they did. Or they've listened to the doctor and they heard certain things and they saw what they were doing, even though this person was like, dead. Or I've also heard stories of kids being spoken to and can recall past life experiences in such vivid detail. And these kids never would have experienced that. Or so there's one kid, I think, who knew a language that like didn't exist for like a thousand years and could speak it fluently. And it took like some doctor at some college to uncover like, wait, he's speaking this language. That just, there's no textbook out there that really goes into this. Right. So like,

Some of these things I feel like are pretty definitive, not 100%, but like really out there. I think humans naturally have some desire to be spiritual or to believe in spirits in some capacity. And I think it's the same justification for religion, which I think has been the best justification I've ever heard in my entire life. And I've explained this to you before. But it's if God were to just present himself and stop all of these catastrophes from happening, let's say like a war or like a kid getting, you know, I don't know, injured or something like that. Like if a God just came in and stopped that every single time, then it would show that God is real. And it wouldn't be faith anymore. It would just be a matter of fact.

It would just be what is. But I think that there needs to be this component component of faith and spirituality in every single human. I think it's just a part of existence is to believe in something that's supernatural, something that's meta and not like physically real. In the same way that if these spirits were to just show up and be like, oh, by the way, we're just here. How's it going? Nice to see you. Like, you know, I died 100 years ago, but I'm just saying hello. So like it would not be faith anymore for sure.

It would just be a matter of fact. No, you hit that like right on the nose. I feel like if we all have the answers, then like we'd be like, well, why are we here? I was going to say, we talked about this a lot recently. We had a very, very intense experience this year as well that talked a lot about these concepts. But I think if you have proof, then our human life doesn't matter anymore. But if you only have faith, if you only are believing, then that doubt, forces you to act a certain way.

But if you know 1,000% you're going to heaven no matter what. And it's perfect. There's no pain. What's the point? What's the, why don't you, you know, I don't know. That's a good word. Why don't you just jump in front of a boss or something like that? And it's like, hey, start over again.

Exactly. But having that faith or having that 1% doubt that faith really is makes you be like, well, I don't want to. because what if it is all black? Because that fear of the blackness and the fear that this is your one shot makes you value your time as a human so much more. What do you think happens when you die?

Well, my view is that have changed a lot this year. It's a huge roller coaster. But what I want to believe is that we are souls go somewhere else that we still have at least a memory of what this is. I don't necessarily believe in reincarnation, but I do hope that there is a way that we are reunited with our loved ones at one point.

I don't know if that's heaven, what God is up there, but I believe that now. What do you believe? I believe something more. Obviously, I'm born and raised Christians, so I tend to stick with, like, what the Bible says, but I'm very loosely Christian as well. Sure.

So, like, I believe it's more of a relationship rather than a religion. Um, but it's just like, I, this is gonna sound crazy. And I know some people like listening or maybe you guys like understand what I'm talking about, but like, almost like, I was just like, know there's something more. Like I can almost feel. Right. Yeah.

Or like when I talk to to God or the universe or whoever like you think, whatever, like, I can feel like I'm being heard. And like, I went through some crazy shit this year as well. And I know that like something greater was like helping me through it. I tend to believe the same thing. I think there's something bigger out there. I personally believe in reincarnation. I like the idea that if something happens, that you would be able to come back as something else

and maybe live a different experience. I really like that. I think it can all coincide too. This is getting super meta and deep, but I think what if there's a possibility that you can reincarnate so many times until your soul reaches like a certain level to where you move on to heaven?

I love that. Something like that. You know, it can all coincide. I think it could be infinite. I mean, the number of lives that you could live throughout all of history I think is

we can't even comprehend how many experiences that could be or here's a weird thought so there's this like video that describes this way better than I'm about to it's called the egg by in a nutshell

but what if we are all the same person and we just don't remember each other's lives what if I am Sam and I live this life but I don't just never remember me being Graham

but we are the same soul and all these humans are now you know, working together. How is that different from The Matrix where someone is just plugged in and all the experiences are just in their head? Maybe it's not, you know?

Or maybe this is all just like a simulation. I've heard about the egg theory. It might have been you that said it to me. I definitely have said it. I never have any religious talk. We have definitely talked about the egg. It's my favorite video of all time. I highly recommend.

Okay, that was definitely you then. But that's my, my subconscious thought, unfortunately, I'll just be the one to say it, is that it's just blackness. And I've died in dreams before, like several times and not like, which is a weird feeling.

Now, obviously, like that's... I've died in dreams too. Yeah. It's terrifying. It's a weird, like, to me it felt like a roller coaster. Like, you know, that drop? Kind of like, that's how I felt when I was dying in a dream.

And I wake up and I hated it. Okay. I've had that experience when I, that was a long, that was a bloody Mary dream. Remember when we were all scared of Bloody Mary? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I got killed by Bloody Mary when I was like 12, and I fell out of the bed. Oh, God. Yeah. And right when I got by Bloody Mary, I felt the impact, and I woke up and I was on the floor. So it was me falling on the floor. Then my dream compensated for that physical feeling with some like mental projection. But in the other dreams, most of the recent dreams when I die, it's weird I get.

Please comment if you've experienced this too. Everything just kind of goes like a deep red, darker color. like a dark and deep red color. Wait, and you feel warmth. You feel after you die in a dream? Every time I've ever died, I wake up. No, no. So I wake up, but shortly after I feel this feeling.

So like one of them was a plane crash. Another one was, there was a nuke that just hit the city. I've had these dreams too. Yeah. I was on top of the hill. Watching the whole. That's crazy. I was on top of the hill.

I was at my parents house. I hope that's not we're not foreshadowing. And I was just looking over the horizon and then just come. Coming from the sky, just, and I look, and I'm just by myself, no one's around me, I'm just like, is this really all that it is? And it just hits the ground and I just vaporized. Everything goes like a deep, dark red.

I sound like such a woo-woo right now, but like, and then I feel warmth all over my body. You just feel like warm and red. And then three seconds later, I just wake up, and I'm like, that was mortifying. It's horrible, I hated that. It feels so real that I'm worried that I just see into the future.

Yeah. And sometimes I've had deja vu where I'm like, this has happened before. Where did this happen? And be like, well, I think this was in a dream. I think I had dreamt this and now it's happening. So are my dreams maybe things that have happened or that might happen?

I freak out over that. Sometimes they've even woken up. And for the first like 20 seconds, it feels like I have it all figured out. Like I'm just like, I saw some shit. I should never have seen. And I know everything. It's like, everything makes sense.

And then as soon as I think about something else where I'm like, I want to write this down or I want to take a note. And just the thought of like, like, where's my phone? Forget it instantly. I don't know if you've ever had that before. Yeah, definitely.

Instantly, instantly forgetting. I've never died in my dreams before. Really? I feel like it's a common thing. I've, like, had falling dreams where, like, you can feel the rush of actually falling. You've already died in your dreams. I don't think so. I always wake up before I hit the ground.

I die, like, a couple times a year. It might be some psychology. Mine is probably once every other year. Really? Maybe once a year. Wow. Or there's like something that happens. Shoot.

You can tell between us that I fear death more than you do. If you never thought, never think about it, and I think about all the time. Yeah, but all of mine are in different ways. I've never had a dream where I've died in the same way. It's all different. That's so weird.

Yeah, when I used to not believe in an afterlife, the main, like, thought process that it went through that. Someone once said, like, it's so funny. This is their argument, not mine. But it's so funny that humans, are so selfish that they think they're important enough to go on and have all these other lives and all this afterlife and stuff.

Why don't you just think that you're just an organism and then you die? Just cosmic dust? Yeah. Like why not. And everything come back technically? Like I don't have any doubt that like if a spider dies. I do.

I think everything is alive. So like I mean obviously, like something like an ant, I think if you kill an ant, I think the ant has a soul just like anything else. Yeah. That's why I can never kill insects. Energy, like, scientifically cannot be destroyed. It can only be, like, transformed in other things.

And so, like, obviously, when our souls, if you consider a soul being energy, like, there's actually tests, I don't know what it's called, so, like, don't quote me on this, but, like, I think there's a little bit of weight from your body that gets removed after you die. They've measured. They've measured the soul. So there is certainly a soul that everybody has, and if energy can't die, then it has to go somewhere. It's one of the reasons I can never kill insects ever It's just like that one little ants I'll find it and take it outside because I'm thinking

What if that is someone I knew in a past life? I know it sounds crazy It sounds crazy Do you have to call Jack to come over? But I just see that there's a life Why would I take a life when I could just for 10 seconds Take it outside? That's true And it costs me nothing to do that It's just 10 seconds

That's really nice Hit the like button for that guy. Hit the like money, please. Subscribe. We gotta get back to what you guys are doing right now. Okay. I want to know this because this ties into exactly what you're going to say. How do you test for ghosts?

Test for them. Like all the equipment? All the equipment. I've seen you come up with so many things for like the infrared cameras, some of the clicky things, some of the things you sit down. The EMF meters? Yeah. What's the most common?

How do you learn how to do this? it test? What does that show you? That's a great question. We've been, you know, we started at nothing. And then it's a bunch of equipment, a bunch of different tests, theories, experiments, everything. And what we try to do is we try to not just stick to like the main cliche, like ghost hunting equipment. But there are like, so the main thing is just ghost equipment. Most of them tests for either motion, sound like movements or EMF energy, electromagnet frequencies. It said that. that anything in any object, any water, carries a little bit of electromagnetic frequencies. So when things change in an environment that should not have to change, that's where you can

detect something different. But like we like to use our own senses and different, you know, experiments and test for things that are easier seen and easier believed by people that, you know, maybe think ghost equipment would be rigged. So we use one of our favorite things is like these flashlights. We have a flashlight that turns on and turns off just by twisting it. We'll set it down and ask the spirits to turn the flashlight on and then turn it back off in it. And it will in front of our eyes.

And it's just like absolutely insane. Or we'll have like cat toys like toys that are designed for pets. And when you hit it or on something like actively like, you know, makes it move, it'll light up. We'll just put those around. And so if things like we're outside of the room and we're like, hey, go touch that little cat toy. And it turns on that way we kind of understand that it's not a piece of a ghost equipment, piece of ghost equipment that maybe someone developed, you know, specifically for this or entertainment purposes.

We try to use everyday objects as well. Yeah. Yeah, the best thing that we use, the fan favorite, is something called the Estes method, where we basically like get rid of all of our senses, where we have like noise canceling headphones on, we have blindfolds. And so basically the person wearing the headphones can only hear like a radio station just flipping through like AM radio super quickly so it sounds like like going through channels and then every once in a while like on a certain like radio

show you'll hear just like a word like pop through and you just say the word that you hear but then the people that are outside of the person with the headphones will ask questions so being like if Sam's like outside and it's like is anybody here and I'm just like listening to these radio I could be like over there or like my name's blah or whatever it's like whatever I hear I just blur it out. And most of the time it doesn't work and that probably just means nothing's there. But when the consistencies happen over and over and over again for a span of 30 minutes and it's just perfect communication, that's when people might be saying, oh, there might be something more. That's what people don't understand about our videos is that we film for hours and hours and

hours. And then we just put kind of like the highlight reel all together in one hour. And so like we might be doing the Estes method for two hours, but only include like 10 minutes of it and include all like the best stuff that we got. But yeah, usually you just like hear static and nothing. How hard is it for people just to trust you not to hear the questions and that you're not just blurting out words in response to that? I think people trust us because first of all, like we've always been genuine about everything that we do with the haunted side of like YouTube. But also we have guests that come with us every single week or every single month, I guess, where like we have them do it too. And so it's like if you don't believe us, they're doing, like we make them do it.

And the same thing happens to them and it still works out perfectly. So it's like, if you don't believe us, do you believe them? Do you have the recordings of the audio going through your headset so people hear what it sounds like on your end? No. That would be incredible. That's a really that's what I was kind of thinking. Um, we should do that. Because I watched you do that in the Conjuring House. Yeah. You know, I think you've mentioned like, don't or leave or something like this. And I was kind of thinking it would be interesting to hear what you're here. And like, shh, don't leave, like, you know, in time. I think that would be pretty interesting.

That is interesting. That's a really good idea. Yeah, we should do that. We've never done that. We'll credit you. Yeah, please. Help us get to a million subscribers. That's all you have to do.

That's all we want to do. Oh, that's good. So what else do you do in addition to that? Do you find that some of the traditional ghost equipment is not as accurate, or do you feel like it's a little too, like, hypey? Why not use the EMF, right? That's the clicking. Yeah, so the EMF is just like the meter.

It doesn't make any noise. All it does is just light up. Like, for example, if we were to put it up against these lights, it would probably go off like crazy or like next to an outlet. But if it were to go off like where there was no like wires or any technology or whatever around, that's when it's something considered like paranormal. That is the most, like it's the cheapest ghost equipment you can get. And it's just like the most common.

You can buy EMF detectors at Home Depot too. Yeah. The ones that we get are they look different. But yeah, like it's a normal thing as well. But what's interesting is like, again, we've been doing this for now, like, four or five years since we got arrested or whatever. And just recently... I love to go that in there. It's like the turning point.

After we got arrested. For us, it's weird. Okay, I'm backtracking a bit. But like, our life, like, has, I say life. Yeah. Like the same way, pretty much. Our life together. Pretty much.

It's like, it has been in chapters. And so, like, we usually, say, like, after the arrest, it's like our big, like, chapter or whatever of haunted. But like we've met so many people this past six months even who say, guys, do not use any equipment whatsoever. Just be open to it. And that's what we started at the Queen Mary. When we had our biggest experience ever, it was literally just us asking out, you know, really focusing in.

And some of those have been the craziest experience. And again, I think the main thing is just trying to believe, like being open-minded to it and really being like, there could be something here. Let me try to talk to it. If there's anybody in the room that doesn't have like that, same sort of mindset, it might not work. What do you think is the most haunted place in the world?

The conjuring house. Yeah. We spent a week there this last year and it completely changed our lives. And I mean, we've been there now three, four times. Three times, yeah, three times. Well, four times because we came back. And every single time, it is by far the craziest experience every time. So tell me to not say this if I can't say it, but something that happened after you guys

came back with Sam reached out to me and he was like, yo, you have to come over because we're just doing like a very close little watch party of this footage because it's that insane. We're not filming anything. We're just looking at it because it makes absolutely no sense. And to me, I was like, wow. Like this seems like a whole different level. It's like not for content. No being like super emotional or anything.

It's just like literally just come over and watch this footage with us to see it's like real. So I come over bring a couple of friends. and then bring me, Jack. Ten of us. I think you were like out of town or something. I think a couple of friends. Anyway, we come over, we watched this footage, and it like blew my mind

that you were throwing on this tiny little close in an event, not for content. And I watched the footage, and then Sam, you obviously too, like you guys are freaking out over this. For context of any one in watching, this is like Cody Satori method in the conjuring house. Yes, yeah.

And then also, like, I remember like a week or so later, like you asked me to go to dinner with you and we just talk about it through dinner and then we hang out. We talk about it. It was like, like that for me was the point where I actually kind of started believing it because I've been historically, extremely just skeptical when it comes to stuff like this. But the fact that it can make this much of a transformation on somebody's life, especially when there was no motivation for him to want me to believe it. It was just coming from a very personal experience when you were explaining it to me. It's like, then it completely changed.

What was the real story behind The Conjuring? I know you've said this before, but for people who haven't seen it, what's the true story for people who have maybe seen the movie? I know it's not exactly one-to-one. Not at all. Yeah, it's completely different than the movie, but there was just generations of families that lived at this place called the old Arnold Estate.

I think it was deeded in, like, the 1800 sometime, I believe. Yeah, and basically it was on the ground of one of the bloodiest, I think the bloodiest war per capita of the United States. So tons of people died there, the land. was just said because of that whole lot of trauma. There wasn't like in the movies there's like this witch that curses everybody and attacks

everything, whatever. That's not necessarily true. But yeah, there's so many people that died there generations and generations people that died there and then the parent family exorcism. Yes. Well, it was a seance. It was a seance pretty much they called

the exorcism but like it was pretty much a seance. It was in the 1970s if you've seen the conjuring movies the Perrin family is very prominent in that. And what really made it famous is there were these Pap and Ghost Hunters back in the day, or they're demonologists named Ed and Lorraine Warren. And so they came to the Rhode Island House

to investigate it on Halloween night did this seance where Carolyn Perrin was, who was the mom, and it was like a family of like five, right? Five or so people levitated and like got flung across the room and was speaking in tongues. and stuff like that. Yeah, basically she was possessed by something.

We got the opportunity to interview Andrea, Andrea Parenth. And she thinks that whatever medium was controlling the situation brought in something evil, trying to figure out why it was haunted, like opened up some sort of portal. And that's like what possessed her mother. But there's a bunch of different theories of like what dark energy could be there. And what we found out not to spill the beans is that like it's actually not a super super dark energy at all in the house itself. There's a trickster in the basement who likes to play games on people. But it really is like less evil than everybody makes it out to be.

So it's not a dangerous house, you feel? It's just incredibly active. Yeah. I think the trickster could be dangerous if you got on his bad side. There is a weird point. in one of our videos that whatever it was in the basement was telling us over and over and over again to come out to the woods alone

and wouldn't tell us why. And we asked all the staff and the owners and stuff and they said, yeah, they tell us that all the time, but we are too afraid to actually go out into the woods alone and we haven't tested it. How do they tell you to go out in the woods alone? So that's kind of backing up again. Did you see the conjuring stuff?

So you know the Cody and Satorium method? Like the knocking. Yeah. So we basically had them go downstairs context for the people that haven't seen it. We met this couple that when they touch each other in any sense, that's not so bad. Touch each other's hands.

We wouldn't touch each other's hands or in any way, really. They embrace. They make any contact in any way. It opens up some sort of like spiritual connection where you just hear knocking coming from everywhere, kind of like the Queen Mary experience. It basically opens up whatever we had happened to us at the Queen Mary.

Except on command. Immediately. It's, again, to what Jack was saying and something we've never seen before, we've freaked out. When we first saw it, we flew home, we told friends. Like, this is something we've never seen before. And it was like, like, if it were happening in this room,

like you could hear it coming from the door walking over. It wasn't like in one spot. That's the part that's weird, is that it's directional sound. Yeah, exactly. I heard some of the theories on that that they said maybe it was their ankle, like, cracking. And they could crack that on command. Or maybe they had like a little thing in their toe that they just would like press some, put some pressure on.

They were something that would knock. Right. And we saw all of that as well. We even made a video like talking about everybody trying to debunk them and stuff. As far as we know, we can't debunk it,

but we also can't 1,000% prove like this is real. I don't see how it can be popping joints and that's just something that people are going to have to take my word for because you could hear it everywhere. Yeah, it's like footsteps walking into a room,

coming closer, louder, you can feel it on your feet. And it can happen in different areas as well. You tested this outside. We tested outside, different parks, on concrete. Do you test without shoes? Yes. Yes.

And we're hopefully going to be able to put out a video about that sometime in the future. We talked to Coda's story a lot about all these different things because it's very controversial. You did all of these debunking methods. Yes. Yes. And nothing convinced us that it was fake. Couldn't figure it out. And so for those also for context, you would go through the alphabet and then a knock would happen at a certain letter. And then when you combine all of these letters together, you can create words and sentences, and that's how you were talking with the spirits or whatever.

Is it existing? Yeah. Once for yes, twice for no, and then we'd go through the alphabet to spell words. So we'd end up having like hour long conversation, minimum. Full sentences and people describing our lives and different things that happen to them. Or loved ones coming through, which was crazy. Yeah.

It definitely changed our perspective on the paranormal and became quite literally the biggest thing that happened in the paranormal world ever. Yeah. And yeah, that's not even us like tooting our own horn. Like this was so profound for everybody that like we basically like Cody and Satorre have been around for a while. But they've only really started showing people that they could do with this trick, ability, whatever you want to call it for what? Like a year and a half, two years maybe. Maybe.

In very private settings. So we were like the first people to really like put them in a spotlight. On YouTube. On YouTube. They've done it on. So Satorre's dad does ghost hunters as well. So they've done it on his show. But yeah, we were the ones that really kind of showcased it on YouTube.

And so in the YouTube paranormal world, this was the biggest thing ever. Everybody was trying to debunk it or trying to figure out. Yeah, I saw some where they said that you would have to give names so they could like research certain people. But Bella, because you can't look at her family history, that's why they didn't read her because they couldn't find the information on her. But everything else, they could theoretically memorize. Exactly. In that, yes. And so that's why we went back and we tested it over for different theories.

that we took them to random places when we didn't tell them anything beforehand it didn't tell them any addresses and stuff and we tested them to see if they could find out things about that location that obviously they would not know we were taking them to and it happened over and over and over again perfectly well how much would they cost to book if if i wanted to have them come out somewhere or just from me for like me and macy they don't do the private readings for no like you can't like say like, hey, let me give you a grand and they'll do it for you. They just don't want to do that. But yeah. And truthfully, like, again, not trying to do it our own horn,

but, like, after our video's released, like, I think they, like, changed a lot of, like, I think they're not in hiding, I want to say, but, like, they were, like, employees of the conjuring house, and they definitely have to, you know, back up because of that. So many people are asking them to do that. They're, like, every person that they come in contact with, do it for me, do it for me, do it for me, do it for me. And it's almost demanding.

Because I'm that way where, you know, I'd like to believe, it but I'm also skeptical and if it happened to me and I see it have a run fine then I'd be like oh no that's it dude that's one thing I'm not gonna be the one to like fall for it like I'm now one and I'm like oh I want to do it so badly that's one thing that we like we said no one of a video but just want to put that out there if we did not see this in person we wouldn't believe it yeah the only reason we believe this is because it happened to us over and over and over again for hours every single day for a week and then we went back and it

happened to us again for hours and hours and every test that we wanted. So like, of course people online are not going to believe this. We wouldn't either. But seeing it firsthand, that's why we have such the, you know, passion for it like Jack was explaining where we're taking small groups and showing them and being like, wait, this is really different because it truly is. Like everything we've experienced has definitely led us to want to believe more and believe more in the paranormal. This was the first one that we felt was pretty close to confirmation. Yeah.

Nearly just undeniable. Yeah. Exactly. But again, like kind of going full circle to your point. Nearly. What's interesting is they never, ever gave us 100% proof because you're not supposed to know, in my opinion. We had a lot of conversations with them after the fact, you know, we became decently close with them over that week. And we talked about that a lot.

Like, I don't think the entire world is supposed to have proof because that ruins the human experience. It could also cause major conflict if you think about it. Let's say like Cody and Satori were like. Christianity is the answer. You know, that's like, everybody would, like, that would start a world war if they were right. And like scientists back this up and they say, we've confirmed proof from the paranormal.

This is the way it is. Like, I know that sounds dramatic, but I'm being serious. Like most wars. And they would probably be assassinated, is my guess. Most wars have been religious conflict. That's why they start. So, like, I don't think we're meant to, like, have the answer. Which makes things so much more special.

because if we don't have all the answers, it makes every part of life more interesting. So I was talking to Jack about this. Who bought The Conjuring House? It was a lady named Jacqueline Nunes. So there was a family called the Heinzons that lived there when we first went a couple times. And then...

They lived in the house just casually. They lived in the house. And the dad started getting health issues living in the house. I'm not sure exactly what he had. And so they ended up moving away to deal with his health. They still are a big part of it.

Yeah. Okay. Like, the kids, like, still work there. Were the health issues to do with the house, or this is just they think, you know, it's just like, hey, maybe old age, something happened. I don't even know what he has, but. Yeah, I want to speak out of bath. Okay, yeah, fair.

I mean, you could say so, but I don't think so. Okay. But, yeah, then, like, a lady named Jacqueline Nunes, I moved in, and I don't know her background, really, but she was just super into, like, spiritualism and knew that this house had something, or she claims that it has something. very special like the entire property is like a giant portal did she buy it before the movie came out um no no just about it like a year and a half ago all the movies happened like a decade but I feel like that would have to be like a

really expensive sale yeah like we were trying to buy it you were actually trying to buy that what was the process like of like buying the conjuring house well so we did our two conjuring videos in 2021 and there were our biggest thing we ever happened to our channel and then we you know we're decent close with the family that owned at that time because we talked back and forth about planning these videos and they told us you know this is going up for sale and we're like dude you have you have to do this logistically did not work out you know what the house was valued versus what they were asking for is just it

wasn't gonna be the value is price is priceless for that house can I ask how much they were asking I mean I'm sure we could just look it up Yeah, it was valued at like 350,000, but they were asking for a million, I think. And it actually got sold by 1.4. Yeah, I think Jacqueline bought it from 1.4. That makes sense. You can't look at that house as just what is a house from the 1700s valued out on this land, worthless. You know?

Exactly. It's the name. But it's the more, yeah. But it's that. And the fact, when I looked at the prices, how much they're charging every single night and how many people they can have come through the house. Sure. On a $1.4 million investment, I bet she's making her money back within about two years.

For sure, which is like... And owning a very, one of the most notable houses besides maybe there's that home alone house, the Brady Bunch house. I mean, there's very few houses like that's the most famous in the United States. Absolutely. Maybe in the world. Yeah. Which I think it's like smart to point out that like, you know, for all the skeptics out there, like that's a huge reason. Everybody's like, oh, it's a business.

Like, of course they're going to say like the woods is the most haunted and stuff. just like starting campsites out there. You know, it's like, that was a big red flag for a lot of people, which I can totally see. It's a business. It makes sense, like a lot of these things that people are skeptical about,

which we understand. I think, well, for example, I don't know if someone would feel comfortable just moving in and living in the house. I don't think he ended up there with a single family. Does anybody live there? No. I think they have trailers outside, and that's the closest.

Yeah, I've seen they charge for like camping, like glamping outside. Or you could spend like, you know, Friday there or something like that. But looking at the prices, it made me very curious to want to go and experience that and check it out.

I don't know if you've ever done anything like this before. I would be very curious. Now, I probably get scared easily. But seeing that, thought, what an incredible experience to be able to go and try something new like that. As long as you're open-minded to it,

like... I am. It's a fun experience. Even if, like, let's say, nothing happens. You're still having a experience, learning a bunch of history, have a fun night with friends.

Like, that's what I tell people all the time. A lot of stuff doesn't happen. There's many videos we've scrapped. There's some videos that just don't do nearly as, like, crazy as everything else. But it's still a good time. Is there any experience that truly scared you? Yes, actually, going back to, like, that first trend of thought we had, like 10 minutes ago or whatever, the basement. We brought Cody and Satori down, right?

And this, before this, like, we had a couple days where we were just talking to basically the matriarch of the house. named Abigail Arnold, who was like the family, a couple families before the parents, like the Arnold Estate is what it was called. Abigail Arnold, we would talk to her, she was awesome, super sweet, old lady. But in the basement, there was something more, like the trickster, something more like negative.

I wouldn't say sinister or evil, but like something more negative, for sure, just like to play jokes on people. And the only thing, first of all, before I get into what it said, like the taps that were being made, sounded different down there as well, which is also why I don't think it's like cracking of the joints. It's because like we were upstairs on wood and it would sound different.

And then downstairs it was all concrete and you could hear it like it was tapping on the like concrete or whatever. So you could hear the visible like where, yeah, the differences between both of it. Yeah, for contact on that too, like everywhere we took on. We took on a bunch of different places, you know, different floors in the house but also on gravel, on like a wooden floor on concrete.

They all did sound different in person. But like what it would say is it was super vague about everything like and all of would want us to do is it just said come to the woods Come to the woods and we were like why it would be like find out I'd do it I just thought that was the scariest thing and then we're like where and it was like over the bridge What? What? And then like who do you want to come out? Didn't this like alone? Alone or yes something like that I don't know it was scary and over and over why? I was like oh god It's so scary but was there any point where you felt in danger for your life?

No, not for our lives, really. But I was, I did not want to, like, off camera that night, Sam and I talked for like four hours and I was just like, dude, we are living in a movie right now. Like, we can't go to the woods. Like, are you kidding me? Like, this isn't just a YouTube video anymore. Like, there was something evil in the basement that just said, or something negative in the basement that just said, like, do not go to the woods.

Like, we can't do this. Yeah. But we did anyways for the content. Are you ever nervous that being around so many spirits all the time? you're like bringing some some essence of something with you that's why I'd be worried about like some negative thing

like latching on you as a following you know I'm hanging out with you guys a little bit nervous about what isn't that good for content that's true you know it's interesting I'm not trying to throw Sam one on the bus really quick but it's just funny as fuck every animal that we meet

like hates Sam dude every small animal it's just my Bailey liked you Bailey likes anything now Not to discredit Sam or anything. No, it's insane. There's so many animals that we look.

Oh, Colby and look at me. They're so scared. Their tails go down. It's like, oh, God, what's happening? But at the end of the day, that aligns with the same questions I've had this in my entire life. If something were to attach itself to me, or I do have this weird essence or something does happen to me, or maybe I am scared of my life, that would give me hope.

So, like, even if it's a negative thing, like, to be honest, honest, if this happens, I may I have a different perspective on it. But if I get levitated and thrown up against the wall, that would be the greatest day of my life. Because, yes, it would be scary, but that would 1,000% prove it to me that all this stuff is real.

So I kind of want to be like, you know, thrown around. You know? Tossed up. Hey, you don't look that shit. Yeah. Yeah, this thing would be interesting. Now, you were telling me about haunted objects

a long time ago. Could you go into some detail about that? Because there are a few things that you said that really stood out to me that some objects like carry the spirits with them. And like if you, there are stories that you've seen of like people touching certain objects and then like bad things happen to them. Yeah. I mean, in Vegas, Zach Began's Haunted Museum is probably the biggest spot for all the haunted objects of the world. Where he like, for example, let us sit in the devil's rocking chair. And what is that?

Which was another conjuring, who I believe. It was like a conjuring sequel. The Conjuring three. is based on this exorcism and this specific rocking chair was there during the actual exorcism in the 1970s. But yeah, it's thought to believe that just like a place could be haunted, something could haunt an object

and that could be the vessel that it's with there. So anyway, right next to this chair, this kid named David Glatzel was thought to be possessed and they had multiple, I think, but at least one exorcism on this guy that, you know, said to have multiple demons attached. We don't know, whatever it was.

And then people said that right after the exorcism, people could see something that they coined the beast sitting in this rocking chair, this whatever, this mist, whatever it was. And they were so scared of it. And then after that, no one sat in this chair for, what, 30 years, 50 years now, I guess. I don't even know.

And then they sold it to Zach Begins, and he's been the only person to sit in it. ever since that like whole exorcism deal and then he let us sit in the same chair why would you do that like just in case like why risk it again because if I died by doing that that would be the coolest thing in the world because it approved me it's all real but you would be dead but now we go to heaven she knows how did you blouse no the devil wears prada too he's the movie event 20 years in the making honestly can't with the secrets anymore so I think we just we should Teller.

Will you two please spit it out already? This Friday, be the first to experience it only in theaters. In light of the recent scandal, I'm here to restore your credibility. Oh, because we're a team now? That's a nice story. The Devil Wears Prada 2 in Theaters Friday. But what if it's a negative, like, demon or something like that does not take you to heaven? And because you sat in that chair, like, this thing attached on to you and is, like, pulling you down.

Or like bad things Bad things happen to you in your life Because you sat in that chair And like that negativity something That caused a little change Yeah I mean to be completely honest too Like a big reason we did it Was because we were like

Like we can't turn down this opportunity The concept But what happened when you sat in the chair Well we both did the estes method in the chair And you had more of an intense experience than I did but we definitely both felt like heavy. Like something was almost like not letting us stand up.

You were kind of like shaking and freaking out though towards the end. It was very weird. Like I've still after, I think still have never had an experience like this. I sat in this chair and I want to put it out there for all the skeptics. It could be me psyching myself out. I'll say that. If not, I sat in this chair and all the sudden within, I was probably only sitting in this chair for a minute.

my legs like felt almost immediately like I ran like a half marathon like I was instantly tired they're shaking they're almost almost painful like like like hard and I was like okay well let me try to stand up and it was it was almost like I was sore immediately why I'm just sitting in a rocking chair and I stood up and it took a good you know a couple minutes for me to like you know feel better about everything and snap out of it but it was genuinely like not only an like emotional switch but I could physically feel a difference in my legs after sitting in this chair. And I've never experienced like anything like that before. What was your experience?

Mine was similar but less intense. So I just kind of felt, I felt like pressure on me. Like something kind of like almost not forcing me, but trying to get me to sit longer. Like like don't like get up or whatever. Like thoughts in the head that would pop up being like it just felt heavy in my legs. Like I, they wait a little bit more than usual. But I was able to stand up like. Pretty fine. I would love for you to take two random people on the street and have them sit on two chairs

I just say sit in this chair for one minute sitting this chair for one minute What do you think I just see if you're like and not tell them either way don't tell them either chair Right and just say did what was more comfy what did you feel like afterwards? I know I know well no one said that you for 50 years and it's a demonic possession and then You signed the waiver. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, that was one of the most unique experiences for sure.

Definitely. Is there any object that you would not touch that is maybe like? Dibbik box or whatever that thing is. Have you guys heard about that? Yeah. I mean, that's in his museum as well. If we're talking about the same thing. Does he have that same box?

So he has the box where, if you guys have heard the story of Post Malone getting cursed, have you? No. Oh, this is interesting. So Post Malone's super into the haunted stuff. And Zach Bacon's invited him out to his music. museum and they were doing a private tour. Zach has like a dibick box room and the only thing in it is the dipick box in this glass case in the middle of the room.

And they took it out of the plexiglass around it and didn't even touch it. They got near it. They freaked out for some reason. Like they either heard something or felt something. Can't remember. But they freaked out for some reason. I think Zach touched it, but it's Post didn't. Okay.

Post Malin didn't. Zach did. He started freaking out. They ran out the room, whatever. Like for the next month or two afterwards, like, Post Malone almost got a plane crash. His house got robbed. He got a car crash.

He got a car crash. There was at least three or four things that were like life-threatening, really intense situations all within I thought it was closer than that like one month. One or two. Like don't quote us on that, but.

And that's what it's known for, right? The Dybick box just gives people really bad. Yeah. And unfortunate luck in circumstances, right? Yeah. Yeah. Because it basically in Jewish folklore, a Dybick is like a demon that got trapped into.

this box. So obviously don't open the box because the demon will be released. But obviously people make a million divick boxes like you can buy them on eBay and stuff if you want. But that one is the real one. That's a real one. That's the most famous one. Yeah. Why don't you go

and touch it and then document what happens afterwards? Would you do it? I was going to say next video. That would be incredible. Is that the line? Is that too far? It's like you do anything except for touching the debit box. You don't want to die. Like, that's too far. Because then that could also be...

I'll take a bath with a divot box. Let's go. Because, no, here's the thing. If... If something were to happen, you couldn't say that was 100% the divot box. Then it could be, well, maybe there's a chance something happened. That would have happened, you know, regardless of whether or not you touch the box. We don't know 100%, but it's kind of...

It would be a good idea. Like, I spent 30 days with a divick box or something like that. That would be... Yeah. That Mr. Ballin episode that I heard on that freaked me out. Me too. It made me, like, really believe in the whole concept of that. Yeah.

If you did that and just like lived with this thing for a week or a month next to your bed and you just wake up every morning. But that's what, that's what happened. That would be pretty crazy. How we can idea? Let's go. That week idea? Or he sleeps with Annabelle every single night. Oh my.

Oh my God. Who's Annabelle? Annabelle. So the Warren's back to Ed and Lorraine Warren have their own museum. We're supposed to be going hopefully sometime this year. But if you've seen the Annabelle movies, there's a real Annabelle doll. that like all of that's based on. We've never been so we haven't researched it.

Life's the most haunted doll in the world. In the world. Yeah. And so that's the one doll that we haven't really like seen yet that we need to. And it's in plexiglass as well in this like museum. And once a day they have a priest come over and bless it because they're so scared of what it could do to people. Really? What's scary about all these haunted objects and just haunted places in general is like like,

like Sam and I had like one of the toughest years of our entire lives like this past in 2023 and like we you can't just like say all the negative things that happened to us is because the haunted stuff but then a part of you like there's like a little fraction that like things like no are we talking about maybe the cancer diagnosis yeah because yeah so this is what's crazy is so i know it's not robert the doll we went to a place in florida where if you take pictures of this doll it literally says it gives you cancer and we did that And then I got cancer that month or the next month. Yeah.

But what are the chances of that? That's what I have to say. Like, I am very superstitious on certain things. And like, if I have a negative thought, I got to, you know, knock on wood just in case. I like to, you know, release that out there. Yeah. What are the chances that did you, did you take a picture with it too? Yeah.

You both, okay. Again, it's not it. But, like, also, what are the odds? Yeah. The reason I know it's not Robert, I hope, is like I felt a little bit of pain before going to that trip. But that doesn't mean like any other haunted place. Like there's so many stories of, you know, diseases being caused by like paranormal and stuff like that. And like, I don't believe it, but it just makes you.

See, that would be my biggest fear is like investigating something like this, picking up something negative and all of a sudden it destroying my life. But you can't point to that. You can't say, well, definitively it was that. Exactly. My life fell apart. All of a sudden I found these vices and everything kind of went down. You can't bet it on that. Exactly.

But it's like, what are the chances? Right. Everything in paranormal is like coincidence or like people stock it up to like coincidence and stuff. That's what makes it so interesting. Scary. I can't ever pinpoint one specific thing as the ultimate reason or confirmation. And that's, you know,

what makes you be able to keep going. And also I think I would go insane if I was just like Robert the doll gave me cancer. Like I would Really? Obviously want to like quit Quit doing haunted in general. How many people take pictures of that doll?

Probably a lot. Probably a lot. But there are 10,000 letters, handwritten letters saying I'm sorry to Robert the doll because of bad instances that happen after people take pictures. I would love to know

how many people take pictures versus how many of them get diagnosed with cancer within a five year period and compare that to the normal statistics. Yeah. of like, hey, if 100,000 people take a picture with this thing. And, you know, the normal statistics might be like 1 in 30 or 1 in 20.

I want to see if that skews the results. That would be actually a great experiment. That would be really interesting. I don't know how many people would participate. Someone's going to get sued on that one. Yeah. Someone out there do it, not us. Yeah.

So what happened in terms of your cancer diagnosis? Yeah. What was some of the first symptoms you felt? Well, it was just like, I didn't think it was anything serious at first. What's really scary is, so it's coming up on a year now. I got diagnosed on January 25th in 2020. Wow. So like two weeks away from how we're filming this in mid-January, 24.

But yeah, what's really scary, and not to freak out all the young kings watching this or anything, but like, first of all, it's a young men's cancer. Like people from 20 to like 35 tend to get this. But it really wasn't that bad. Like it wasn't that painful and that's what's scary about it Every dude has been like nutted before like where you just kind of feel like you have like a bruise ball for a second But it goes away for in a couple days My bruise just like didn't go away The thing that I am telling guys like that gives them peace of mind though is that

Two weeks before I went and got diagnosed I could tell something was wrong It started changing in like appearance and size to TMI and then like whenever I would like work out really hard or if I'd have some or masturbate or whatever, it would like swell up. Wow. So I knew something was wrong, obviously. And you caught it early. So you felt that pain and you still caught at stage one. Yeah.

Stage one. And I got misdiagnosed too. Yeah. What was that like? It was, I mean, I don't blame the doctor at all. But it was a Vegas doctor out here. And he said I had something called like acute epidididivitis, which is just like inflammation down there.

And then he also, which didn't make any sense because I was celibate at the time, he also was just like oh you might have like an STD let's give you like a gonorrhea shot just to be safe and I was like that wouldn't make any sense but all right so they thought it was that gave me the shot and like my ass for like gonorrhea obviously wasn't that and he was just like just be safe and go get an ultrasound in the next month he was just like you don't have to do it anytime soon just go in the next month but I decided to proactively like do it the next morning and just get it over with especially because I think we were traveling in the next couple weeks as well so I was like let me just get it over with and be safe.

Went the next morning and then five hours later. Like I missed the call because we were in a meeting, but I was kind of like reading the voicemail transcript where it was like, hey, this is your doctor, call me back as soon as possible. And I was like, that can't be good. Like what doctor says that? And so called him back, of course.

And he was just like, hey, so don't freak out. But the results from the ultrasound, like it's like 95% cancerous. He was like, it might not be like a, I forgot the word benign or something. I think benign. Like it could be like a tumor where it's not cancerous or something. Yeah. But you do have a tumor.

But you do have a tumor. And so he was just like, why don't you just come to the doctor's office right away? And so I didn't even, Sam was still in the meeting. And so I just didn't even like tell Sam. I like left and called him on my way there and told him to like wrap up the meeting. And then he came and drove and met me at the doctor's office. And the doctor was very like nice about it and very reassuring. It was just like, hey man.

Like usually like 95% of people they just have to get surgery and they're good. That's it. Like that's all you need. So he was just like if you get this out as soon as possible, you should be fine. And what they say about the, you know, survival rate isn't testicular cancer like 97? 99? 97% yeah. The only like reason people like die from it is if it metastasizes and like goes like everywhere in the body.

So like for example, the most famous case that a lot of people. people know is Lance Armstrong had test to curely cancer when he was my age so I got it when I was 25 like about to be 26 he was 25 as well I believe but his spread to his lungs and his brain yikes and he had to get like I don't even know I'm gonna say this wrong but he got to get like months of chemo I believe like where he for me um based on like the the certain type of cancer I had is basically so they had to take it out in order to do like a pathology or report on it and figure out what exactly was going on and what type of like cancer I had. And then they were able to kind of give me a percentage of recurrence of like, okay,

for me specifically it was like 35%. You have a 35% chance if you do nothing right now that it's going to come back. And I was like, oh, like that's a third. Like I got two thirds of a chance. I'm going to be chilling. But then I was like telling all my friends and family that and they were just like, dude, like 30. That's high.

That's like a lot. And so he was just like, but if you do one round of chemo which was 21 days then I could get that 35% number down to like 2% and so initially I was like against it I didn't want to do chemo chemo is like a self-destruct button in your body yeah you lose everything like it kills all like the fast growing cells like tumors tumors are like the fastest growing cells cancer and so like you lose your hair of course like you lose everything yeah could they not have done like radiation or anything that wasn't an option for me for some reason okay they didn't

bring it up. I'm not sure why. Okay, that's fine. I also learned that there's like dozens of chemo drugs for different cancers. So like each person's scenario is going to be different than somebody else's. And so, yeah, after

talking to my parents and calling all my friends and just really giving it some thought, I was just like, well, like, we were stocked up at videos at the time. I was just like, let me just do this. If I lose all my hair, fuck it. Like, it's better than having the cancer coming back or whatever.

Who cares? That'll grow. back and so I just decided to do it and it was 21 days and like what was that like for you to go through um it was easy while going through it but like looking back on it it's like it's like the trauma like came later like in the year and I'm not I wouldn't say like I'm like really struggling with like trauma or anything but like definitely knowing that a year ago I had it it's like I've been thinking like of cancer like a lot this year and so I think I had some like hidden trauma that probably Probably tune a lot of it out.

What was it like for you to support a friend through this? It was definitely a big eye-opener for sure. Even from the moment I got that call, it was kind of like everything was put into perspective. What matters, what doesn't? What are we actually going to be, you know, focusing on in the future and stuff? It made us definitely reevaluate health and like our friendship.

And I think since then, we've probably been the closest we've ever been. Yeah, I know. I think so. I think it's like the silver lining of it is all the relationships in my life like especially ours like got a lot closer because it's like I was calling my parents every single week and before then I would call them maybe once every like three months, four months. Like we have a great relationship, but we just never communicate that often. But like there were so many people in my life that I like reached out to. And like for support, I even remember like talking to you a little bit about it like last year.

But yeah, just like brought me closer to everybody. and it's kind of like a slap in the face of like, hey, man, like, you're not invincible. Yeah. But again, like, my main things is like, I was just like, when I first found out, I was like, am I going to die? Can I have kids? Like, those were my many questions. Yeah, I was going to ask about kids. Do you take a proactive measure like freeze sperm or something like this just in case?

So before chemotherapy, they make you, they make anybody, I just learned this as well. But they make anybody who does chemo, they recommend males to freeze their sperm. I didn't know that. attacks like especially the the chemo that I was having was attacking like down there and so there is a tiny it's like 5% 10% sort of a thing that like you like your sperm just dies yeah you just go sterile and so I did I ended up freezing like my sperm out here just to be safe and yeah like that was like probably the the hardest like decision is just being like it makes it kind of real it's like hey this is that 5% chance right there yeah yeah exactly

Exactly. And like doctors have to be so honest, of course. Yeah. And so like, here and like I was doing like the possibility of chemo right after surgery, I was like, there's no way I'm doing chemo. There's no way. But then of course, like once that 35% like stuck with me every single day, I was just like, oh, like I might as well just everybody in my life was telling me to do it. And I was just like, all right, I should probably just do it.

Also, did you get something, some report back that after chemo, it was actually attacking something. So it made you realize that you did make the. decision. No, so what was scary, and this is getting kind of like into medical terms or whatever, but I'll keep it as like simple as possible because it's confusing. But basically like there's this tumor marker in your blood called AFP that like spikes up specifically for like specific cancers. Like I think it's ovarian and testicular. And so my AFP spiked up like halfway through my chemo. and so what was really hard is my doctors in Vegas

who did the chemo, I did the chemo with, said, this spiked up like during your first cycle. We think you should do like another cycle just to be safe. We haven't seen it like spike up like this. And so I was like wait, but like,

I just went through this like one cycle. I shouldn't have to like do this again. So I went and got another opinions at UCLA and then Cedars, Sinai. Yes, so you're shining. Sinai. And they both.

and no offense to Vegas doctors out here, but like California's way more qualified. Just honest. They both said like, oh, no, like you're fine. You don't need chemo. And so,

or any more chemo. And so I ended up just taking their advice and being like, all right, two doctors said, I don't need it. One Vegas doctor said, like you should do it. Two to one.

Yeah. But then again, like that still is not everybody saying like, oh yeah, you're fine. I know. And so that little like door being open of like the possibility of,

You know what one doctor which was just like I think you should cause like so much more anxiety like in the future You still have to deal with that because of all the tests you're taking yeah like I mean two days ago like I did a CT scan And like I have a blood test tomorrow at 630 in the morning wow So what's like the maintenance on something like that how often do you have to go in and retest So it was different last year than it is now obviously Right after like right after I got diagnosed I pretty much got poked getting like my blood test every single week for five months at least. But it was only recently, I think, yeah, around like September when they said like,

okay, it's like, like, you're still like normal and normal levels. We're going to like push it out to three months. You'll get checked. So the last time I've gotten a CT scan and blood work was in September. And so that's why like early January, like I'm getting it again. It's been three months. And so that's why I'm like, I've been kind of like anxious this week and like stressed out because Like even though my recurrence level is literally 2%.

And so like obviously I have 98% chance that I'm fine, but it's still weird how I feel like anxious about it. You know it's so funny, even for me, the 1% things screw with my mind all the time. It's a 1% chance. That's all I think about. Exactly. And I worry about that 1%. Even though it's unlikely to happen, I spend most of my mental mental energy on that 1%.

Exactly. And I think that's human nature too to like just focus on on that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I've been reading that book, John Deloney's book, On Anxiety, and he says that 1% is wired in your brain to help keep you alive. Because if you didn't have that 1% worry, think of all the times that 1% happens. You know, over 100, 200 times, that 1% will happen on something.

And if you didn't pay attention to that, it could kill you. So our minds are wired to focus on that 1% just to keep you alive. Definitely. Because you never know. That's a good point. So what did this whole experience teach you about life in general? I mean, it's a lot to go through as like a 25, 46 year old. Yeah, I mean, first of all, it made me grateful more than anything for, like, just everything, like friends and health specifically, of course.

And it was a, again, silver lining to it. I wouldn't call it a blessing in disguise because getting cancer is not a blessing at all. But it really did teach me in other facets of life, like, to really focus on, like, specifically health. so for example like I slowed down on like drinking a lot and like I'm going on hikes like every single day and stuff like that like it really and now that I'm doing like these blood tests every once in a while like I'm checking for other things in my body that I've never even like learned about or knew about that like kind of gives me more of like a feeling of security of like everything is okay but yeah I mean just overall like I know this is going to sound crazy but I've said this before but I'm kind of I'm not happy that our cancer of course But I'm glad that if it had to happen It would happen to somebody like me Because like there was so much more positives

That happened than negatives Like yes I had to sacrifice my left nut RIP soldier or whatever But like like literally we raised like hundreds of thousands of dollars To like cancer funds I mean the reach that you have And just imagine how many I think eight million people saw that video Yeah imagine how many people because of that

Got something checked out Exactly. So you saw you do that and say, oh, you know what, maybe, you know, it wasn't anything. Let me just check this out just in case. I mean, when you look at a numbers game like that out of 8 million people, at an 8 million people, at an 8 million people, at least one of them probably did something proactive that would have prevented something or caught something early enough because you came so publicly with that video. Yeah, and I appreciate you saying that. But it's been super cool seeing like random emails from, like, I want to be like a spokesperson to guys because I feel like a lot of dudes will be very insecure or skisks. to talk about a cancer like down there or whatever, but I want to be like a social media guy who is not afraid to be like, yeah, that happened to me and like I'm thriving still.

And I think that's the main thing for guys like out there to if you're going through the same situation is nothing's changed. It's like nothing though libido changes like no testosterone changes. Yeah, I heard you on Joe Rogan say that the other testicle compensates and makes up which I think is insane that the body could do that. So you've noticed like no difference in terms of like. Zero. Zero difference. Do they just replace it with like a fake one? I have the option to do that. So they said I could get like a silicone ball.

Yeah. The only reason I didn't do it is because I was doing a bunch of research where like sometimes the body will reject silicone any time in life. So I didn't want to have like the anxiety of like being like 40, 50, whatever one day and like being like, is this the year that like my body decides to reject my fake nut? Like I don't think so so I just I'm rocking more don't they isn't that the case with people get boob jobs where you have to either like take a medication or something to I don't know if that's for life I'm not I don't know but I thought there's something where it's like it's not meant to be a permanent thing you're usually just to replace them every like 15 years I think so yeah you have to replace it every I don't know seven to 10 years I'm not sure but it's anything

any foreign object in the human body yeah right to take that risk after going through all yeah because like the whole thing is like the whole thing is like Like, I just, I just want my anxiety to go away about it. And so, like, I wouldn't want to give myself more anxiety by just, like, getting, like, a fake ball in there. Yeah. All right, well, now it's, like, my body going to reject it? Like, shit. Now, what happened to the nut that they took out?

Did you get to keep that? So they, yeah, they give it to you in, like, a Christmas ornament. And, like, it's all our tree right now. You're joking. Literally right now. I love that. You're joking. No, and, like, they put a plaque and says, Colby Brock's left nut.

Are you serious? I feel like you're kidding. Yeah, I see that smile on your face. You're, fuck. Oh, wrong. No, they have to... They just toss it? They just incinerated or something.

Can you ask for it? Like, I feel like, I've seen people with, like, you get teeth removed to be like, I want the teeth. I was outside the operator room and the doctor came up and was like, do you want to see a nut? And I was like... It's a weird question. Did you say yes? I was like, yeah. And he's like, I probably shouldn't.

I was like, I can't leave you all like that. No. No. What the point? I did not notice. Of course I want to see Colby's balls. I mean, his extracted nut. Oh, my God.

So he never showed it. He just, she's like, he backpedaled them. He expected he'd say no. I love how he jumped on and you're like, yeah. I was like, I mean, this is the ones that left on a chance, you know? He said he used to be able to do it, but not anymore. Okay. How do you guys maintain your friendship?

Like, through that 10, 15 years, however long he's been. Have you ever gotten in a fight that's like maybe threatened to tear you guys apart? I think so. Not to the point that we actually were going to. There is definitely rocky points, especially at the beginning. So we were obviously like friends and then we became business partners. And then especially when we moved out, we were roommates, friends, and business partners. At 18.

At 18. And my livelihood, depending on him and vice versa, that's very difficult on a friendship for sure. And we also were just like struggling on YouTube and what we wanted to do. And so like each week we would have to come up with different ideas and I'd pitch something that maybe he didn't like versus vice versa. And so like we have never ever ever really like yelled at each other before like scah like have gotten like a screaming match. We've never ever like hit each other ever. Like usually we've always worked things out very maturely and we'll just like be completely honest being like hey man like I didn't like this. Let's talk about it. I didn't like this. Let's talk about it. And then like we'll resolve it and figure it out very like civilly. But like it's hard though. Just putting it out there. I probably would not suggest. going into business with your best friend or your spouse. Like I just wouldn't suggest it.

It ruins 90% of friendships. We are definitely an anomaly. And we started that at the very beginning of like, honestly, like the friendship should always come first over business, over anything that's happening. So let's communicate. We had a lot of talks about all this stuff. And over time, we've gotten to a point where I just understand how he works and vice versa. And so we know when something's going wrong.

We know when, you know, we're not, you know. at the same level and we sit down and we go to talk about it because at the end of the day, if our friendship isn't there, our whole business isn't there. And how do you handle a disagreement where neither one of you wants to budge on a topic? Do you just not do it or is it about like a convincing thing or does one of you have like a little more of a lead than the other? I think what's interesting is like when it comes to to business stuff that we disagree on, we're both very, very logical people. And so no matter who's right, me or Sam, in the past,

will always just like put emotions away put every fact on the table and be like what is actually best step it doesn't matter who came up with like the steps but like what's what's like the best plan of action here and like again it's just like a lot of like trust and like there's so many times where like for example like random merch ideas like designs where um if I like really really really love a design but then Sam like doesn't like it at all I would just be like okay well then let's scrap it because like we both don't like it even if I really like it okay and it's helped too when we first started it was mostly just us we sometimes had managers or whatever but nowadays we have a little bit bigger of a team and so if we do have a disagreement we'll bring it out

to everybody and it's more so like a collective experience so we're like okay let's all decide on and get pros cons let's figure it all out it was just like he said like very hard in the beginning when we like didn't know what we were doing we didn't have a team we like saw each other every single, we still see each other every single day. But like back then when under stressful scenarios, plus like not having a lot of money back then. Honestly, like, I'll say this. I'm sure this is very, very true with a marriage as well, but I noticed a dramatic difference in our relationship after financial freedom. Like when we were not worried about that month's rent and the bills and like, let's say one

thing went wrong. Yeah. And it wasn't going to ruin our time. chances of staying in Los Angeles or not, that huge stress reliever was a big part of our relationship change. And I think that's probably with like everybody's relationship. Families and marriages and everything like that. Like money is such a big deal. Yeah. And so like when things were starting to go right, it was like a lot less stress on us for sure. Yeah. And just maturing and stuff. Like as we've gotten older, again, we just like learned more about how each like we work or whatever and so I think it's just it's all communication as cliche and corny as that sounds it's like communication is key if you're upset about something say it but also consider how you say it to

somebody don't be like you just fucked off everything I love doing that see that's my that's my that's the grammar approach really oh my god I could go on it I should I should in long run no we're very very like considerate of each other's feelings I'm working I'm working I'm doing a good job he's doing it on who spends more money between you two got the expensive taste. It's decently even because most of the stuff that we spend money on, we do it together with like vacations or work related.

Right, let's say outside of that. Outside of work thing, I think probably you. Yeah, well, it's okay, so it's interesting because, yes, I probably spend more money on like clothes and stuff like that, but I still have the same car from high school. So you gotta think, he spent maybe less, like on less items, but on more.

more expensive items. Like he's gotten Tesla upgrades or whatever. I still drive a 2007 carola. See, that's what I actually really admired about you guys. Because obviously you guys completely different level than me. But when I, for the longest time I was driving a nearly, actually, yeah, a 20-year-old car. Super old. And you guys show up and you're driving a, what was like a 15-year-old, maybe 20-year-old Toyota Carolla.

Yeah, 2007. Which is the coolest thing ever. I really respected the frugality that you guys have. It's like still playing it smart. Even playing pickleball with Sam, like he didn't get pickleball shoes for a super long time, which I wouldn't consider super smart because there's no ankle support, but he would still use just like standard trainers. Yeah.

You shouldn't be talking about ankle support, Jack. I know, I know, I know. Yeah, you guys, did you see the incident? I saw it on Instagram, I don't know what happened. Yeah, I just basically hurt my ankle pretty. I'll show up some photos for you guys to see me. He sent a picture to me in the hospital. It's just a gnarly black.

It's disgusting. I'll show it to you after you. But I'm curious, why not upgrade your car? I've been looking into like some recently, just like maybe or whatever. And I know like like, like I want to get like a, damn, I'm blanking energy energy car. Electric. I don't know cars. Yeah.

But I'm just not a car guy. Like I would rather like put my money into like mortgages. I get that. I think the upgrades. Yeah. I think the upgrades from 2007 through today are substantial. I mean, just like the comfort. I think the big one is audio.

Sounds a lot better if you, if you listen to music or podcast. Podcasts, audio on a car. I have vacation is a pretty big one. Going from my old car to the Tesla was a genuinely life booster. Not just like flex on a car or whatever. A lot of people don't even see my car, but just my day-to-day life is happier when I'm like driving on autopilot, listen to my things.

And I like phone automatic connects. I don't have to worry about my keys. Like a bunch of like things that make my life easier because of this car. And that's why I did. Do you have ox in your car? No. I don't. No, how do you listen to music?

I listen to the radio in Vegas. I would tell you my Tesla. Oh, are we made out to make a deal real quick? Maybe we could make a deal. Listen, it's a wonderful. It's going to be over MSRP. So it's different, you know. The grand step in the original is never a number.

The estimated value, you know, there's the value, but then there's, you know, the value. You know, it's like that, it's like the house. It's like the house. It was like, yeah, it's a praised value, but it's real value is a long time. Right. So, so you, when you travel between L.A. and Vegas, like, you're just listen to the radio the whole time? So the, so I have a Bluetooth thing that does hook up to my phone.

Oh, is it FM moderator or whatever? Yes, you can push in and you create your own station? Yes. Okay, that's what I was using too. It's like a . It's like a quarter of what it would be with . Oh, my gosh. So horrible.

You have to constantly be changing the station you're projecting or you're transmitting. That's why I don't use it in Vegas. It doesn't work in Vegas for some reason. You know what I did with the Volvo? For a long time I drew the 2006 Volvo S60, but I put in AirPods. Oh. Is this dangerous? I'm not blasting slip-not, but it's like, you know, it's low enough.

Yeah, that's illegal. I've never gotten pulled over for that. And the windows are tinted. So you really have to be, like, looking over and trying to see this. That's all solely. I can get pulled over for that, too. Graham's about to get arrested like us. I think one day I will, but I just, there's no, like, desire to.

I'm not like, let me do a new car. To be honest, I would say maybe up until, like, this last year-ish, we've been extraordinarily frugal people throughout everything. Intentionally or just subconsciously? You're just naturally not gonna spend money on things. Or is it like intentional? Like I should save money here.

I mean, both. I think it's just like wired that way that we're probably not gonna spend in general, but we're also like, you know, where can we save on this? Like what's the best deal for this? Like let's put our money here instead of put our money there. Like we're definitely intentional about our finances. Do you guys like invest in the same things?

You have like kind of not joint accounts, but like, oh, I'm going to make my Roth IRA over here. I'm going to make my IRA over here. And like we can buy the same things. Yeah. Transp apparently we have a business manager who handles all of our finances. And so like when it comes to like SEP IRAs and Roth IRAs, it's all the same accounts under the same company. We have all the same financial managers. So pretty much we're invested in the same stuff.

Cool. But like we've been sort of maybe personally speaking actually like I've been into investing very early. in life too. I'm saying where you can't even invest at this age, like I'm talking, I would be in like middle school and like, like, my mom would like teach me or like my parents

would teach me, they'd be like, all right, if you mow like the lawn you'll get 20 bucks or whatever. Like you should like save this for this many months so that when we go to the trip like in six months or whatever you'll have this amount. Whatever. She was always just teaching me like at a very, very young age to save money. And now it's just ingrained

in your mind. I never, I never I never got an allowance. So like I've always worked for my money. And I think that was a huge help when I was growing up. What do you think about this recent trend of creators quitting? I think it's interesting because YouTube's so new that we haven't really gone through like a generation. And so we are finally seeing people move on or quit or retire or just say like I've had enough or I've reached financial freedom. Peace out.

I don't need to do this. And it's really, really interesting. Because at the very beginning of social media, you only had this one generation of people doing it. Now, much older people are doing it throughout their families and older life. So I think we're going to see a lot more of it, actually. Like a lot, a lot more people are retiring. It's either there's going to be people that, like, quit completely, like Matt Pack. That's his name.

Matt Pat. Tom Scott. Yeah, Tom Scott. Yeah, he was a big one. Or there's going to be. Like, he's been saying it for a long time. Like people like PewDiePie who like technically quit. Like he's retired, but like he's still post like once a month and like shows this kid and he lives in Japan now and stuff. So like, yeah. So I feel like most most YouTubers I could see are probably just going to like take a step back. And not completely. I yeah, I have all the time. I've been saying this to Jack. So initially. I'm not there yet. No, you're like, don't retire. Yeah. No, the podcast doesn't count. My initial plan was 2019. I was so burnt out. And I thought I was going to stop January of 2020. And when I mean stop. I mean stop. I'm going to stop. I mean stop.

I was posting three videos a week. I had done that since 20, late 2016. And three videos a week for, you know, three years. And I thought, I'm going to stop in 2020 because I was just purely burnt out. And I thought, maybe I'm going to post every now and then. And then I got to December. And I said, you know what?

I still got like a little more energy in me. Let me just go through April because that's my birthday. If I could just make it to April, then I'm fine. COVID happened. Everything changed in March of 2020 with the shutdowns. All of a sudden, it was finance. Everyone is at home. And that was the point.

I had not really gone full time on YouTube until then. So it's still working as a real estate agent, still posting three videos a week. And I think the combination of the two just fried my brain. So COVID happened. And I'm like, oh, man, I got to double down on this now. And I got this new wave of energy because there's so much more to talk about. Like, I had been talked out of topics. But COVID happened.

And all of a sudden, every day was something new happening. And there was something new for me to talk about. I got so immersed in it. Jack joined the team shortly after that. and we were churning out three videos a week. And then I think it was 2021 or 2022. So it was like two years afterwards. I told Jack, hey, man, I'm going to go from three videos a week,

maybe down to one. Maybe down to one. And it was always December. And then it was December through April. And I always push it. And then in April, it's like, well, it may as well just make it through the rest of the year. And then make it an even year.

You know, I could stop when I started. And then now, this year, I've just, yeah, really for the last few months, I've gone from three videos to one video a week. It's been amazing. It's been, I still, unfortunately have the same, like, stress level as I did before,

posting three videos a week, posting one. And the one video still takes me, I feel like as much time as I was doing, spending for three videos a week. But I found the performance of the one video week has exceeded that of three videos a week. So all my videos now are doing better

because I'm posting less. So now it's kind of reinforced. Now one video week is pretty good. But then I also like the idea of kind of going out at a high. Like I don't like the idea of like you watch your views decline and decline to decline and then it's like, all right, finally let me throw in the towel because it's not working. I like the idea like what Matt said is like we're going out at the top. I want to be able to control this. And I feel like you have more power to say, hey, this is the best it's been.

Our views have exceeded what we've ever done. And this is the point to call it quits. I think there's something really powerful on that of like taking charge and you're the one in control of that. But for me, the podcast, I see that having at least another 10 years. There's something else here now. Something new. From exclusively on Paramount Plus, it's the series Stephen King calls Scarious Hell. Everything here is impossible, but it's also real.

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It's like, we don't want to be those YouTubers that like, okay, let's say right now, get a couple million views. We don't want to be those people that are scraping by at 10K views just because we need to turn out of video. We definitely would want to, if we start to see like a decline, or more so if we start to have a decline in passion. I think that's the real thing, because if you're obsessed with it,

even if it get one million views versus 10, like if you're just so enthralled with everything you do, I don't think it really matters. But if that you lose that passion and maybe people sense it. And because of that, the view slowly decline. And then it's like this negative reinforcing thing where it's like we feel less good about it

and it's getting less views, which makes us feel less good about it and gets us less views. And then it's just like self-perpetuating after that. Yeah. It is an interesting concept of this whole like, you know, you still feel as stressed one video versus three. We went from posting every single week to then we did like serious content where we'd post like every week for a month

and then take a month off every week for a month take a month off then we'd posted just every other week for a year and now we post once a month but in all of those changes I don't think stress level has changed all that much because we'll just put more effort into that one video or we'll just fill our time with other things that's something we've talked about a lot this last year and a half because we were we were very very afraid of burnout about a year and a half ago and we're just like i don't think this is sustainable at this amount of pressure and work for very much longer so that's why we changed a lot this last year just going down to like one video a month yeah yeah we didn't i don't know i'm curious if you guys like your schedule or whatever but um truthfully like until

now we have never had weekends free ever we're every single day for like, yeah, every single day. There was, and not saying, like, we would do a nine to five

on Saturday and Sunday, but we would definitely have to work and, and do a bunch of little things for sure, like on the weekends, for years, like a decade, pretty much.

It doesn't mean it wasn't fun. We love our work, and there's, like, a lot of really good things about our work, or maybe our work was, we were on a filming trip, and so we were, like, you know,

doing videos, which are much more fun than sitting at desk. Yeah. But there's a lot of times on the weekends, like we wouldn't see anybody, and we just edit, like,

all the time and stuff. So it just got into a point where we're like, all right, if we want to do this a long time and we're also, we want to keep the passion up, we got to figure this out to where we have some free time. We balance social life because that was the real painful part of the last like two years was social life and just feeling like you had a connection with other people was declining. And we were like, that's just because we're not around. How are you supposed to have a relationship with somebody if you're just not around?

It was interesting because our like YouTube career and like every other business that we were doing was like skyrocketing and we were getting like the best numbers ever or whatever. But we had like no social life. We were just like we were kind of sad like being like sitting at home. Like obviously in Vegas like we were talk to you and we have like the Project Fear guys met them or whatever. Like we have a couple friend groups out here. But you guys are super busy as well. And so there was there was a lot of times where yeah, we were just kind of like is it like what is the point to be like. like working this hard and not like reaping any of the social rewards from it.

So I heard a quote. It's like we work so hard to get money for then money to be used on all the things we can't buy. So it's like essentially we're working so hard to get all the things that we can't buy. Right. Which is really interesting. And I want to know what your guys' plan is for, for 2024, because I know this last year you guys had the most success you've ever had.

You guys have had your own personal struggles harder than anything else possibly that you've encountered in your life, how are you going to change 2024 and like, are you going to continue to be okay to sacrifice personal time, enjoyment, vacations, trips, et cetera, for the business or how are you going to draw that line? Is this like conversations that you guys are actively having? Yeah. So we, shout out Kong again. Kong helps us out a lot on our team. And we are trying to in 2024 making it a thing where we at least have Saturdays off. Yeah. And we've scheduled a couple of. of vacations already in there. And honestly, like, out of all the goals that we've had, like,

our number one goal is just to have a happier outside of work life this year. Because, like, we have gotten our systems down for, like, our work life and our content. We have a lot of fun doing it. But the way that we're going to have longevity in the content world is if we have more happiness outside of it. And so that's honestly, like our main goal. It's like, how do we do the same work and maybe add on one vacation day to a trip? or like have one day a week off. Like those types of little things, definitely gonna add up and change.

You said something to me that was really interesting. You said it's really hard for, to allow yourself to enjoy time that is spent not being like productive or doing things that make an impact somewhere. Do you experience the same thing, Colin? We've talked about this so many times, but I think we're just wired differently.

I am the type of person where I can veg out and watch YouTube for hours a day and never feel like bored or whatever and can honestly be like, I deserve this. Like, we work so hard that, like, I can do this. But I feel like we're just different people where, like, Sam has to be doing something constantly, I feel like. I think I was probably a major component of us not feeling

like we could have a free life this whole time we've been in a career because I am just wired that way. It sounds like me and Jack, where I'm the one, if Jack's not constantly doing something, I'm like, what are you doing all day? Like, Jack, there's an email that came in an hour ago. We've not responded to it. What are you doing?

Yeah. You need to get this back to this person. Why are you not getting back to it? That was me too. Even if it was like 9 p.m. at night, I was like, what could I be doing for like work for this entire time? Or even like out on like if we were even partying or something like that, what pictures could I be taking that I could post tomorrow?

Or like, it got toxic to a point where I was obsessed with work, obsessed with productivity and it just wasn't really healthy. And I kind of had a crazy mental breakdown about a year and a half ago. And we talked about that a lot over this whole last year. It was just like, I need to stop. There was a part from 2020 through most of 2020, where I'd break down how much I would make per hour.

And if someone said, hey, let's go grab lunch or a coffee or let's go and do this, I would calculate on my mind how many hours that would be, like driving time there and what that would be worth in terms of my time. And I'm like, doing this one thing would be $1,000? Would I pay $1,000 for that? No, I need to work. But that kept me from like adding up the opportunity. cost of everything in my life.

But then what is the value of just genuine free time? You know, it's like... Well, at the time, I thought it was a worthy sacrifice where I'm like, I know this is not going to be forever. So right now I need to put my head down and just keep working because I know it's not going to be a forever thing. So let me just... Well, the going to goings good.

Yeah. It's like double down. Oh, things are going better? Triple down. Yeah, exactly. Quadruple down. Yeah. It was weird because I've always told Jack like,

hey, when views are down, you double down. But when views are really good, you also double down. because you want to continue that momentum. So always double down. Slow down. Never ends. Never. I'd make the conscious decision.

You did the go to double down. With the health issue with everything that's happened like this last like year, it was a major slap of the face of being like, your time here is not forever. So if you don't actually use it and you don't enjoy it, then what the fuck did you like gain of working so hard? Yeah, we're so lucky to be like well off and being able to have like as much free time as we want because we make our own sketch.

schedules at 27 years old. So it would be stupid not to, you know, live lavishly and like experience. I've always felt 35 is the age to take the foot off the gas. Yeah. And if you're working from 20 to 35, like head down, no fun. I don't know if you want like 15 years. But like that's around like when you have kids though. And I feel like once you have a kid, your life becomes your kid.

Yeah. And so then you're locked. Yeah, but I feel like 35 is a good age to like really like settle down. way I see it's like, I want to be able to at any point in my life, enjoy, or just sit and just like enjoy my own happiness and freedom and enjoy. See, Jack and I only get happiness and working. That's true. Only get happiness?

For a long, long, last time, I would be super unhappy if I was just like, oh, I get depressed. If I don't work, I'm just like, yeah, I get sad. Sometimes we're like, oh, we're done with work at five and I would fucking panic. I would be like, no, let's do more. I do. I'm sad. Well, now we could do this thing and this thing and know. We could brainstorm ideas. Exactly.

That's really insane. How happy were you when you were working? Like, extremely happy? Yeah, because I felt that purpose. But as soon as I didn't have that, I just felt. Being productive. So Grant Cardone says is that being productive is the leading. You will be happy to the degree that you are productive.

Yes. Is what he says. Yeah. And so when his daughter said, or when he asked his daughter, yeah. I asked Grant, I was like, do you want you? your daughter to be happy? And he says, no. I wanted to be productive. Whoa. Yeah. And he says, he's his daughter in the room and she's like 14. She's 14 years old. But he says if she's productive, she will be happy. So productivity first. Yeah. But I think you can

find being productive in other ways. Like now, like when I look at it because I've had a switch in my mindset, when I do go out with friends, I find that productive for my social life and my well-being and my happiness for the job. Because if I don't have that, then I'm going to get burnt out. And so, like, I have been able to- But it still ties into the job. Exactly. But it's my way of letting myself have freedom for now.

Working out. Working out. Like, yeah, I'll go on a run. Although that's not making me money, it's productive in my health or something like that. Or even, like, as crazy as it sounds, like starting a hobby is productive because you are, like, feeding a different part of your soul that can allow you to do more work

because you're entertaining it. Yeah, I agree with that. But it's just interesting. I'm curious if you guys have the same mindset. But when I was growing up, like, all the way up until high school, my goal was just like, okay, I think like the best thing possible is to like make as much money as possible. And then I'm going to retire at 30 and I'm going to live like doing nothing for the rest of my life. That's going to be great.

And now being like 27 and older, in retrospect, I'm just like, that's like the most boring life. I think that's the single most like depressing life I could ever imagine is not having a purpose. Retiring at 30. Sounds like a dream for everybody, but like, then what? Then what? What are you doing the 30 years of your life when you don't have to worry about anything? Part of me would love to try that, though, for a month. Of really, like, having nothing to do.

Which would be fun for a month. It's like, what do you want to do that day and go and do it? And then you'll realize, oh, there's not that many things to do. I had this, like, a really interesting conversation with my dad the other day, Christmas, and he was like, I think he retired at, like, 47. And he was like, I retired at 47 because I thought I was going to do that. Like, you know, oh, they have so many other things to do. And then he just sat me down and he's like, but I realized there wasn't just that many things to do.

So, like, if I had to take it all back or if I had to suggest to you, I would say never retire. Because, like, yeah, you can go golfing or you can take a vacation or you can do, get into all these other little hobbies you would. But there's actually not that many things that you're not doing currently that you'd be interested. It might be, it might change if you have a family with, like, young kids. Maybe that might skewer. I agree, I agree. But then they grow up. are things to do, you know, but then you're also occupied with that.

And I do think that's why a lot of people have kids. It's just something to do. It's purpose. Yeah, a thousand percent. I think your life at some point becomes your kid's life. And then like when they go to their baseball games, basketball, whatever games, like that's what you do. You know, like that your life is their life. That's your purpose.

Do you want to have kids around the same time? I feel like maybe the kids become best friends. Yeah. I feel like at this point, you. would coordinate that, like make sure you both have girlfriends, eventually wives that are like friends with each other. Oh, we'll force. That's funny.

I've planned out that exact same thing with my best buddy. Yeah, really? Oh yeah, 100%. We're gonna have friends. Our kids are going to be best friends and our wives are gonna have. Dude, I had never thought about that ever. I've never really thought about that. I thought so much.

That was my first time. It's our YouTube channel together. It's our YouTube channel. Yo, I've never thought about this before. That's so interesting. We're terrified of kids. No? Just in general.

general just in general period kids scary I'd be freaking I never know how to talk to kids because there's like a switch when they're like you know older where you could have more of a conversation but as like a child like a little baby but like I talked to him like I do a dog I'm just a good that's great yeah but I don't know how to talk I think you can like at least for someone like five and under you can be like yeah talk to them like that I don't know I feel like you'll learn a lot what you have what do you know yeah yeah I think it's different if it's your own but if I'm like talking about I don't I don't I never know what this is

Yeah. Yeah. It's scary. Do you want kids? One day. When is one day though? I would be having like five years from now. Okay. So 33. So like 38.

My parents were 38. My mom was 38. I think my dad was like 36 or 37 when they had me. So I felt like in my mind that's a good age. Because I always want to do everything I want to do before having kids. And that includes like traveling. Like going to Japan is like a big goal of mine. So to be able to travel, get that out of the way.

I feel like I've accomplished everything I need to. so that I could focus on another chapter. Because otherwise, I feel like having a child now, that would take a priority over other things where right now I want to focus on other things. I have a question. What do you think about the age of 27? Having a kid at 27?

No, no, no, just like in general, like, do you think 27? Yeah, you being past 27? Do you see 27 being like, oh, I was still like super young then? Did you have your life kind of figured out? I felt like I did. I feel like I haven't changed much, honestly. The only difference, I had more energy, I feel like at 27, like stay out later and like wake up early and not feel like completely wrecked.

And then also be able to have a few drinks and be totally fine the next day. Oh, yeah, I still never get hangovers. Okay. To me, that's insane. To me, that's really the only difference. What? Yeah. I wake up the next day like, oh.

Oh, the other difference is that it's easier to get in good shape. Oh. So, like, if you go to the gym. Yeah. like back then I could go to the gym and see way more progress. Like I would probably have to work 50% harder to get the same results as I would at 27. That makes sense. Dang.

That's so. But we got to get to the gym. We got to get to the gym. So I would say take advantage of it now. If there's anything, it's just like the energy you have, you could focus a little bit better, you could sleep a little less, you could work out a bit harder. Is there anything that you could have done that you probably are not going to do because you kind of past that age?

Not right. I feel like I did everything. Like the only thing you could go back and say is, oh, I wish I partied more and like. Yeah. But I was never into that. Like, I would rather have worked. So now it's like, yeah, it'll be a little awkward if I go into these places. Even now, like, I went to the bungalow in Santa Monica, if you've been there.

Yeah, yeah. I'm the old one there. And I remember, like, going in there and seeing everyone is like 21 to 25. And I felt like, I felt out of place. Wow. And you'd hear these conversations like, oh, yeah, I just got this internship. This is it. I'm so out of it.

It's like an internship, dude. An internship, man. Get away. I felt like I felt out of place I now feel awkward going in and being old in places where like I thought I would fit in and I don't Same with a lot of like the YouTube events I'm old and it's like all these young like 18 to 25 year old

Like TikTokers and like shorts people and vloggers and just Yeah, you know these prank channels I feel out of place Are you scared of being older? No I look forward to it. Like, I like the idea of being a grandpa. I don't know why.

It's just like... Where do you think that comes from? I don't know. I just, I've always... You've always... Incredible, Graham. Yeah, I've always... Crankiest, like, you walk out with your little thing, like the guy from up.

I want to be so bad. I want to embarrass people. Thanksgiving dinner to the most outlandish. People are like, oh, that's his grandpa. Yeah. I'm like, oh, there's Starbucks coffees. That's why you're broke. You know?

I want to be like that. I've always gravitated towards older people for whatever reason. Like, I relate better to them. I see, like, wisdom in what they have to say, they have experience. I think you learn a lot from old people. So I've always just like, ever since there as a kid, I'd hang out with like the adults.

Wow. How about you, Jack? Do you feel the same? Like looking forward to old age? Yeah. I'm, I've always loved the age that I've been at. Wow. To be honest.

You're 25? I'm 25. 25. Yeah. So I'm thrilled to be 25 and I'm sure as I grow older, like I'm just going to enjoy different things. And here's a thing that I found really interesting. When I was like 16, I had this crisis. because I've always been pretty juvenile,

like, liked childish things and stuff like that. You still do, Jack. Yeah, I still do it some of the pastures, but like, when I was 16, like, pulling pranks on my friends and being kind of an idiot, you know, like, that was my favorite thing. It would bring me so much happiness. And I was so scared that as I got older,

like, it would be weird, you know? Like, I'm like 25, and I'm still pulling like childish pranks and stuff like that, and everyone's like, what are you doing? It's like, get a job. But as I got older, I noticed, I would have this, the same happiness and joy, but just from other things. And I think that's just a part of maturing is that as you grow older,

you can still get that same happiness that you had when you were a kid, but just from different things. Right. And so I'm expecting the rest of my life to be like that. You know, once I'm 40, maybe just hanging out with my kids is like the most thrilling thing in the entire world. Maybe it's better than everything I've experienced before. Your priorities are different.

Exactly. I had a horrible crisis of getting older for such a long time. We still kind of do. And I was like, asking my dad about that. I was like, do you feel like sad that you're 60? Like, does it just suck? Like, does that? Like, that's like, so happy.

Like, suck for you? And he goes, you know, you guys always say that, like, the 20s, your 20s are going to be your best years of your life. And I would say the 20, my 20s were the best years of my life. And then I turned 30. And then my 30s were the best years of my life for different reasons. And then I turned 40. And they were the best years of my life. for different reasons.

And I never thought about it like that. I was always like, oh, my party phase, my travel phase, my dating around phase is going to be the best years of my life. And they probably will be for those reasons. But the reasons will always change and would grow so much as people. So I thought that was really cool. And that alleviated so much anxiety about me getting older. Yeah.

Damn, drop and wisdom on us. All perspective, yeah. Everyone followed dumb and wise. Yay! Check it out. It's another dad poet. His dad is a genius. That's a genius.

It's somewhat off. How do you do your hair? It's very off top. Thank you, dude. Try my best out there. Shout out. Do you use a blow dryer? I do.

Do you use a blow dryer? Hell yeah. What? Dyson blow dryer? You guys got to teach me that. What's the strategy? How do you do this? I've had the same haircut since I was like 10.

It's pretty bad. So. Shout out Anuko. Hairy hairstyle. It's our buddy that owns a barbershop. I've been going to him. He's been giving me advice. And I just recently like a year ago,

started using this paste. So do you go for it, man? Just like different, different, you know, just try a bunch of different things. But I would say volume is the best thing that's ever happened in my hair. Okay. Interesting.

So I was talking to Brett and Joseph, you know, Brett Maverick. Yeah. Yeah, Blue Man. And they said you need to use a blow dryer. It's like the most important thing if you want to have good and consistent hair as a guy. So Brett gave me a blow dryer and I was using it

and it makes my hair look. So it was so bad. Oh no. Horrible. I'll show you guys. I'll show photos up on the camera now. It's like really bad to the point where I'm like Jack, you cannot. Are you just doing it raw or is it just the blow dryer?

I must be. I must be doing it wrong. I hope it's that's the case. As soon as I saw it, I started like laughing. Do you put product in after blow dryer? Kind of. I put a little bit of product in. Okay. Yeah. I think it's just a skill.

Do you not like your hair right now? Is that why you're wearing a hat? I mean. That's hot. That's hot. Change the camera? That's hot. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, that's hat-head, obviously. It doesn't usually look like that, guys. Do you want to focus on your hair? I think it would be a level up. Yeah, because I think, you know, Hat-Head Jack is just... Do you like beard Jack? This is lazy Jack. I think it looks a little bit good with some 5 o'clock shadow, to be honest.

I agree. And Jack, you're going to check your text message. Did she respond to you? Oh. I'm coming back. We promised our viewers in the very end. that is funny. Oh, she responded.

Yes! Let's go. What did she go? You read it out loud. Oh, my God. Okay, so she says, she responds, fuck off. I'm screaming all in caps.

I will be the first listener. I'm going to pretend that picture was solely for me. It was. Thank you for the immense joy I'm experiencing. Wow. You got to set her off.

Yo, huge shout out to you. What's her name? Tori. Let's go Tori. Shout to Tori. Go on a fantastic date with Jake. Jack. Okay. Jake.

All right. Tori, give Jake a chance for him. Get his name right. That'll be better. All right. Well, that was, only mac. Three hours, 10 minutes. Whoa!

That's our longest podcast. This is our second longest ever. Wow. Healthy gamer was the longest at three hours, 30 minutes. See, this was crazy because like, like, we're friends, so it's kind of just, just, just chit, chatting.

It probably would have the same conversation elsewhere. Yeah, made it very easy. Is there anything else that you want to mention while we're on the roll? Anything else? 24 is about to get crazier. I know we say that every single year, so our fans are like, shut up. But like, we have a lot of plans. We're going to be traveling the world for our haunted stuff

and have a lot of like side businesses that are going to be launching. So just get ready for 2024. It's going to be crazy. Yeah. Go check us out in Zoomies. Oh, yeah. Oh my God, how do we don't even bring that up? You guys were like their number one most sold, what, like, collection?

Most sold brand of Black Friday, which is crazy. Wow. So you got in every zoomies. Danny Duncan. Right? He's just for that week. Okay. I don't know what the stats are now, but now because of that, we're in every store in the United

States and in Canada. It's good-looking merch. Thank you. I really think it's something that, like, you could see people wear, even if they don't know what it is. Tell that story. That was crazy. Yeah, this was really, really cool.

So the other day we went to go to Azumis to get, like, photo shoot pictures and to do some promo. No, no, no, no. Like a couple weeks ago, was that. And while we were walking in to do the photo shoot, we saw this guy. And he walked up to the employee and goes, hey, what's that one? Oh, yeah. These are new in store. And he's like, these are sick.

And he takes it down to the whole explorer thing. And we walk up to him and we like, look, just to see if you, like, recognize us. He had no idea who we are. He just like in front of our eyes being like, this is a really cool merge. He's like an older dude. Had no idea who we are. Yeah.

And that just like validated that like people outside of our, you know, YouTube audience will enjoy the merch. Yeah, I think it's a good design. I like the style of it. I think the baggy is kind of like. Whoever's making, like manufacturing them. It's a very comfortable. Oh yeah.

Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Can I ask how much do you make on like a sweater? If like Zumi sells a sweater is like a dollar that you guys get like net. Yeah. It's different for, obviously, our merch versus Zumi's. Yeah.

You just have a different deal. And different blanks and stuff. Different blanks. But it's like, I don't know. I don't want to say a wrong number. Yeah. It's a pretty good margin. Like, it's very comparable to what we make on our own side.

So, like, let's say we'll sell ours, make X percentage. We get, like, maybe 10% less from a Zumi's purchase. So it's actually. That's really good. Yeah. It's not bad at all. But what's cool about the Zumi's deal is like they buy in bulk or whatever. So it's really like obviously.

They buy it from you. Yeah. So we get money up front. Basically, like if we like obviously we'll never do this Zoomies, we promise. But like we love you. But like if we technically could just be like, all right, thank you and just not post anything about it.

Did not have it sell. Or like promo. Yeah. Buy it. We'll never do that though. Yeah. And do you give Zumi's like a special design so that like only they? only they sell those designs.

Or specific color ways. Colorways, unique designs, or they'll get designs first or anything like that. And also, Zoomis is now the only place that you can get our merch with, like, when we're not dropping. Because we usually, like, drop our merch online for, like, two days at a time. Every other month. Every other month. So the rest of the seven weeks that we're not dropping, that's the only spot you can get

explore merch. So that's what's really cool. And it's cool just to say that we're in, like, I think it's, probably if I'm wrong, 650 It's pretty big. Yeah, and we're storefront and at least like 50% of them right now. Yeah, like our faces are plastered Really? That's got to be so rich. You guys just did that right? Like a couple days ago you were Yeah, that was last night you were walking through trying to find zoomies that just like showed you Was that in the Vegas fashion mall? Yeah. Yeah actually really so if you go to that zoomies you'll see just like Saminized giant faces like you should go there and like sign the bottom of it and just have people go and they could like see it you know it's a full circle mode

Someone will steal that though if you sign it. Someone will just take it. It's kind of a full circle moment like especially with the Oak Park Mall like where we first started in line. Now we're our faces are plastered on there. So even though we can't legally go in there, we're still in there.

That's so cool. It's a very gratifying feeling. It's cool. Merch is definitely, yeah, it was always part of our business, but within the last like year since we did it all of ourselves and we like really tried to push the quality of it

has now become like our biggest piece of business. If you were to draw pie with percentages, no numbers, but just percentages, can you say what these percentages look like from different areas? AdSense and merch are close, but merch is still a bigger piece of the pie. Yeah, but between AdSense and merch, I would say both of those are probably 70%. I feel like you need a Ouija board that you guys sell. We tried to sell that a long time ago. Did it not go well?

We did like just a custom amount, right? It was like a hundred or something. Yeah, it's like a one-off. It might be making a comeback. We don't know. So that's a collector's item. So for like real fans, if they have one of a hundred of the Ouija board,

that's got to be worth some money, right? Yeah, yeah. It kind of depends on if people even want it or not too because we didn't know how big the market was. Yeah. In selling like a Ouija board to like a young audience too, is kind of like, you're opening a portal.

Yeah, right. Is there a moral wrong thing with that? Put a warning in there. So an accident start happening out of nowhere. Yeah. Maybe it's cursed. Exactly. So there's a lot of like those little logistic things where we haven't pulled the trigger

on that yet, but we've thought about it for sure. Yeah. We didn't even bring up the Cinemark thing, but just congratulations on that as well. That was 168. 168. Yeah, you got it. Theaters you guys sold out or something, right? Yeah, so we didn't sell out the entire theaters, but in each theater we would have

screenings that were completely sold out. And then they would just add another screen. Oh, got it. I mean, that's insane. And you were the first YouTubers to ever do something like that, right? There was some people that, like, tested it, but I think that was the most successful one

that Cinemark did. Yeah, I don't want to name drop here if I'm wrong, but Jack Septica. Jack Septica did one, like, a month before we did. There was, like, yes theory did a very small version of a tour of it. But I think we were the first people to, like, you know, do it all nationwide.

Have they hit you guys up and they're like, hey, we want to keep doing these? Yeah. Cinemark is hitting you guys. Has anyone ever approach you for a movie? And just said, hey, we want to buy the rights to have you guys act and, you know, we want to do this. We have had offers before, but we've always turned down acting positions, especially in movies. And especially if it was in haunted, just because, like, if we act in haunted, how can we like...

Well, I meant like a docu series or it's like them following you guys around. That could be different. The reason why Sony Studios wants something. Yeah. Yeah, the reason why, like, our videos are so authentic is because we are the only people that go in. Like, it's just me, Colby, a camera, and then whoever our guests are. The first time we ever had any, like, team member on was this concert series because we needed someone to go get food and, like, go get the guests. We were there for a week.

We were there for a week. But other than that, it's always just me, Colby, a camera, and then whoever is our guest. Because we don't want the producers, other people, cameramen, all in there because that just, you know, ruins the experience or that makes people think, oh, maybe someone's pulling a string or something. But like the super just run and gun, like low budget stuff is the whole backbone of our time. I think if it, yeah, if Netflix were to come to you, they'd have a crew of like 30 people. And it would be cool. Like a food truck outside, like catering stations, yeah. Well, that's what I don't understand is like people in our comments are just like,

oh my God, these guys should like be on Netflix. So you should be in like movies or whatever. And we were like, we want to be like right here. Yeah. This is like it's never been a success when people try to go into more. mainstream from YouTube. Plus, like, what's the benefit of, like, there's no benefit?

There's no benefit. It's like, everything that we wanted is in this YouTube thing, and we have full control over it. So, like, we're in the best position possible, so, like, well, I move. Yeah. It's a happy life. It's just the name, like, people think, like, oh, they're on Netflix.

Like, you've made it. Whatever. For some reason. It's still there, though. It is. But it's, like, why not just throw Sam and Colby and Cinemark instead of, you know, we can just do the same things. I also think YouTube, like,

prediction and it's already happening but like over the next five, ten years the YouTubers are going to get like massive respect because it's turning into like a TV show. I feel like everybody has their own show now where you have to have some sort of production to like really get like a lot of views and stuff so like I think slowly

like older heads like older people are like realizing like oh wait YouTube is the future like we should take this seriously. There was zero respect 10 years ago for YouTube but Mr. Beast changed that game completely like after Mr. Beast and especially the launch of like I know Mr. Beasburger didn't do it too well

like now or whatever but like when he first like launched that Feastables like that was huge for big corporations being like wait he's selling like that much and he's a YouTuber. Yeah, that time, happy dad, all like the big corporations people are taking YouTubers seriously especially just the power. Yeah. Yeah. Cool.

All right. Is there anything else you guys thanks for having us on? Thanks for coming on. Incredibly fun. I really appreciate it. I'm taking a look at the healthy gamer how long that one was. I just want to see. See if we're setting records here. We do trim, so we do cut out some stuff. Oh, okay. Oh, his was 246.

Oh, wait. So are we filmed for longer? Are we set in our record right now? Brett Cooper? Dang. Regardless. Grant, we do. Yeah, I just want to see, just really quickly.

I know we cut out some. After you cut out the boring parts, it'll probably be like an hour. Oh. So it depends how much we cut of this. Why? What are we at right now? Brett Cooper's was three hours and eight minutes.

That's the longest episode we've ever done. Oh, wow. And we probably film with her three hours. and a half and then cut out, you know, some stuff. So we'll see. This might be our longest episode. Well, even if not. Thanks for having us on.

It was fun. Thank you so much for coming on, boys. Oh, tell everyone to subscribe so we beat Caleb Hammer. Oh, yeah. Subscribe. Whoever that Caleb guy is. Ignore. Subscribe right now.

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