The Iced Coffee Hour - Tai Lopez on Andrew Tate, Dating Models, And Becoming The 1%
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I would go and try to take everybody in the world's money.
There will be blood, sweat, and violence to get there.
Because if you don't, the other warlords will knock you off.
If you swim with the sharks, don't be surprised if you get big.
Everybody talks about body count and this and that.
I think they're counting the wrong thing.
I think it's...
What do you think the benefits are of being anonymous like that?
Are we started?
Sure.
Benefits of being anonymous.
Well, after hired a grenade my brand for a couple years, I've tested.
You want to be a prince, not a king.
in terms of being anonymous.
So the king is like everybody knows them.
A peasant is lost in the crowd.
Nobody knows.
A prince is good.
So what's the benefits of being in the peasant crowd?
Number one,
you don't have people breaking in your house going to prison.
I've had that a few times.
Fans break in.
I had a guy try to steal all my cars.
Seven counts of grand theft larceny or grand theft auto.
There's no way you'd be able to even get away with that, though,
because it was all like orange, exotic Lamborghinis,
red barare.
Did I tell you this story on the?
in the last episode?
No.
I used to have a place at San Diego and L.A.
Take a helicopter back and forth until I got freaked out once on a helicopter.
I'm like, that's the last time I went on a helicopter.
Those things are too dangerous.
So I'm down in San Diego and La Jolla.
And I get a call three in the morning.
I usually have my phone on.
I pick it up.
Beverly Hills address.
Hi, this is Beverly Hills Police Department.
We have a strange question for you.
Do you have a business partner that you gave authorization to take your cars?
I'm like, I don't have a business.
business partner. Like, that's what we thought. Hang up. Five minutes later. Okay, the guy changed
his story. Did you do a Snapchat contest that the first person who can break into your house
and take a car, you'll give them like an award for ingenuity and creativity? I was like,
what do you think? What happened? He's like, all right, we got a guy here and was all on camera.
This guy, and I had security with a dude with a machine gun for two years, 20 grand a month, 25 grand a
month. For a guy with a machine gun. Yeah, he would, I used to do gun of the day on my Snapchat. I thought
it was a good way to scare people off and it was kind of fun. People were that invasive.
Oh, dude, like it was a big problem. So I had a house in Beverly Hills. The address got out
early. Like people figured, you could just Google Tyler. Yeah. So it was Rexford, right?
Rexford. It had a, I was there for, you know, 15 to 19. I did. I did. Yes. So you wouldn't,
okay, so I typed in, well, here's that. I was in real estate.
And so I knew the house that you were renting at the time.
You could look it up on the MLS.
One time I showed up and I rang the gate and no one picked up and that was it.
I wasn't expecting anything.
I just thought like, oh, it's kind of fun.
Let's ring the gate.
Is this when I was there?
This is when you were there.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
The second time, we just happened to be driving by because some people were from out of town.
And I wanted to show them like, oh, Ty Lopez lives here.
And your gate was open with all the cars.
Okay.
And so we stopped and they were like taking pictures.
And you were not there, but we were going to.
to do anything, but we just saw the cars.
He'd come out.
And that was, yeah.
What are you doing here?
But, but yeah, so this dude, so I'm in San Diego.
I'm like, no, I didn't do a Snapchat contest to break into my house.
So it turned out, we got all the footage because I had cameras.
He timed it because I had German Shepard's and this, it was a South African equivalent
of a Navy seal, this guy.
It was a big one acre place.
So he waited to his back, jumped over, got in the side door, went into my kitchen,
30 minutes on camera.
He made sandwiches for himself, packed a cooler, packed almonds, nuts, water, all this.
He knew where my keys were.
I don't know how.
He kind of looked around.
Eventually, I started locking up my keys.
But then he went out in the garage, tried to turn on at Lambo and vent to dork.
It's a little bit hard to turn on if you don't know how to do it.
Couldn't figure it out.
Switch is over.
I had two rolls, two Lamboes at Ferrari and a Maserati.
Couldn't get any of them except the Mazur, stupid Maserati.
I hate Maserati.
He figured out how to.
I turn it on, put all that stuff in the trunk, backed up,
but couldn't figure out the gate.
There was a garage door and then the gate.
And so my brother would house sit, two of my brothers.
And they were there with their girlfriends to sleep upstairs.
It's a big house.
It had 17 bedrooms.
And of course, my brother's supposed to be protecting the place.
Don't hear shit.
The girlfriend, Jocelyn, wakes up and it's like, somebody's down the garage.
And it's a good thing she didn't go down because this was a huge white guy.
It was a big redneck.
And he had come like four times in the last month and scared her at the door.
Like, I want him to talk to him about business and stuff.
So she just looked out of the window and saw him pulling out.
And she called, I lived, that Rexford streets on the Beverly Hills Police Department, same street.
Yeah.
They came like 15 cops, jumped, held him at gunpoint.
And he started telling stories like, no, I'm Ty's business partner first.
And Jocelyn's like, no, it's not.
And they said, no, it was a contest on Snapchat.
Yeah, that dude went to prison.
but he got out like a month later because of overcrowding.
Like California doesn't hold people.
I'm like calling on Beverly Hills.
I'm like, this dude's going to come back.
Like, well, you can get a restrained order.
Like California.
But anyway, so benefits of when I was just part of the crowd and people didn't know me,
it's just like you live normal.
There's a lot of good stuff about it, man, you know?
Like Shakespeare said, heavy hangs the head that wears the crown.
I see all these people.
It's like, I've been the most Googled person.
I was like a month.
I was like the most Googled person in the world.
I'm like that
I'm glad I don't have that anymore
So what is the difference between a prince and a king
From that perspective?
Like where does a prince cut off before then you're a king?
I had somebody yesterday I did that seminar you spoke at
Thanks for speaking.
And somebody said, you know,
was the happiest you ever were, Ty?
I'm like, I think 2013.
It was 2013,
I was kind of a local celebrity in Hollywood
because I was been doing parties.
I did house parties.
I wasn't really globally known.
And I just built it Instagram.
I got on it pretty early.
2013, I was making seven figures, not eight figures, with decent net margins.
Okay.
So I had money.
I had a little place, but it was cool.
Did you ever come to my place up in the Hollywood Hills?
No.
It was a badass, cool house.
It wasn't huge.
It was probably like 6,000 square feet.
But it had a view.
Like, I could see the ghetto where I was born.
I could see from Hollywood to Long Beach, just 35 miles on a clear day.
And it had a pool, infinity pool.
And it was like, and I had, you know, I had the Lambo and Ferrari and stuff like that.
But I was still, and I was, like I said, I was probably netting.
I don't know what I was netting, but let's say, 500 grand to a mill or something like that.
So you had all the money you needed.
I don't have that much responsibility.
I had like six people that worked in the house for me.
It's making money online like I always had.
And I would wake up and I decided I was going to build my personal brand.
And I would read three, I would read, you know, people gave me a hard time.
Like, no way, Tyree's a book a day.
Dude, I would lay out three books on the bed.
this better.
To me, my brother is like,
you need to do Iowa.
I'm like, dude, I've already done the mind trips.
I've already done the LSD,
but like my version of it.
You take three insane books
and you read them all at the same time.
I'd read like 20 minutes of one.
It's like, so you switch from like Voltaire,
like a philosopher.
You switch to like a business book like Peter Drucker
and then you switch to like,
I don't know, history or something.
And I would do that and I would summarize books.
I had built my book brand by just taking
10 friends, C-Cing on a Gmail.
And so every day I'm going to send you a book summary.
I would write them.
It'd take me like three hours to read the books.
I would like really speed read.
You get tired.
It's like a big deal.
You have to like, it's almost like going to the brain gym.
I like myself up.
I'd do like two hours.
I'd read them.
I'd read most of them.
It depends if it was a huge textbook.
I couldn't finish it.
But then I would summarize it.
Send it out.
And then I have my other online businesses.
And then at night I would go out, have fun, dating life, friends.
All my friends have moved out from.
North Carolina.
Shit, that was the life.
I remember, I call this the wake-up tap dance test.
Warren Buffett says, somebody asks him, are you happy?
He's like, man, I'm 93, and I tap dance out of bed to the office every day.
My office was in the same house.
Yeah.
I'd wake.
I remember, I can just vividly remember the room.
I used to change which one was my master bedroom.
I remember what year it was because of the master bedroom.
And I was just like, everything's perfect in my life.
I felt like, I was like, oh, that's the best.
And then from there, that brand started.
to grow and went from a local brand to all of a sudden it's like the whole world new and then it only
takes a matter of months till bullshit starts to happen like people talk about you're always like what
you're like what is going on and so men are basically driven show up Schopenhauer the philosophers
that men are driven by three things food sex and boredom but but I think it was wrong I think men are
driven by envy too so the second you're on the rise past people will
They don't feel threatened by a prince.
You know, like, I'm a little prince of Hollywood, right?
People knew me.
I could go in any club making money.
But I wasn't a threat to dudes that saw themselves as a king.
The second you become a potential king, then all the current kings try to knock you down.
Dr. Bus, my evolutionary psychologist mentor, calls that derogation of competitors.
So it's all of a sudden, it's like a blog about you.
Like, oh, fuck Todd.
It's a green screen.
No, it's all fake.
So all of a sudden, like Shakespeare said, heavy hangs the head that wears the crown.
So you don't really want to wear the crown.
Is it worth it then to limit yourself in terms of potential not to be a king?
Or can you be a king disguised as a prince?
Yeah, sure.
You can.
But you're a smart guy.
That's probably if you're hyper ambitious, you want to be a king disguised as a prince.
But the word will get out that you're a king.
And the four drivers of humans, especially males, will kick in, especially the fourth of
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What are the downsides of being a king?
I know you talked about people trying to steal cars.
I'm sure that's the extreme.
But for most people, is it just criticism?
Criticism.
I mean, first time, I remember moving to Beverly Hills.
is making money, money now.
And you get a maid service, a big house.
You know, that house was 17,000, 18,000 square feet.
So you get a maid service.
They send maids there and you test out different ones.
And I was like, this maid seems pretty good.
Then you get a lawsuit from her on her first day that she tripped on a banana peel.
No joke.
Tripped on a banana.
She couldn't come up with something more original.
I'd like, this lady watched Looney Tunes, Buzz Bunny.
I remember she shoot.
An an anvil fell on her head.
Piano.
He's like, wilding coyote.
Yeah, but it was real literally, because we had the garbage cans in the back.
She's like, I went around and took the garbage out.
And I slipped there with banana peels.
It said banana peels in the, I was a frivolous lawsuit, so it goes away.
But, I mean, I never had that kind of stuff happen when I was a prince.
I remember Mr. Beast came to visit me in 2020.
He's like, tie, your big inspiration line.
I've always wanted to meet you.
So he comes up when I was living in New York.
And he's like, you know, that's weird.
I look at your network.
worth. He's like, it says five million online. He's like, that's your real net worth. I'm like,
that's the king described, disguised as a prince. You want that. I tell dudes, five million,
you want a permanent five million Googledable net worth. Because at five million, it shows, you know,
you're above average. You make some money. You can provide if you're looking for a long term mate.
Guys will respect you. But you're not a target. Lawyers aren't going to go, oh, you slept with that dude.
woman put some pressure on them if that shows 50 million dollars lawyers work on contingency
they're like well 50 million i could squeeze 5 million out of them i'll get half of it lawyers take 50
60 percent so all of a sudden look at every man who is at current king status you know some people
are like oh you fell off i'm like i fell off on purpose bro i'll let you be the king now watch
who's the king of the world Donald trump most guggled bull person in the world
For four years, ran.
It was the most powerful man in history.
If you run the U.S. military, nobody.
I mean, you can bring down hell on earth on the world.
Where is he now?
71 indictments.
Multiple weird lawsuits.
Yeah.
So do you want to be that guy?
He's not, the president.
Trump was an emperor.
That's even worse than a king.
What happened to Napoleon Bonaparte,
the greatest general of, probably statistically of all time.
Nobody's ever had 60 major battles.
Caesar had Alexander.
six.
Napoleon had 60 and he won like 52 of them.
Okay.
But how do most people remember Napoleon?
Because he was an emperor.
He made people call himself the emperor.
He had a little narcissism going there.
He ends up dying on an exile on an island of Africa called, you know, St. Helena.
So people are gunning for you.
Andrew Tate, Ben Shapiro.
You see all these people that are Elon Musk.
He was loved before he was an emperor.
I remember first seeing Elon.
and I went to a fireside chat in 2011.
A friend's like,
you want me to this guy, Elon Musk?
I'm like, I don't know who that is.
He was more of a San Francisco local celebrity.
All of a sudden, fast forward, 2022, you take over Twitter X.
50% of the world doesn't like it because they perceive him as a right-wing guy.
That doesn't end well.
Andrew Tate.
It's like 50% of people are mad at him.
That's an emperor level.
And so a lot of dudes out there gunning to be emperors and kings,
like my mentor, Joel South, and said, be careful.
what you wish for because the worst thing is to grow old and realize you got good at the wrong thing.
Some people are out here trying to become men, trying to become kings, emperors, money, all this at the
very top. And then when you get there, you're like Mark Zuckerberg.
Public record is he spent $32 million on personal security last year.
What kind of life are? That means you have credible threats against your kids, kidnapping.
You're dropping $2.5 million on security?
You want to be that guy?
You want to be the prince.
The prince, I live in Copenhagen.
There's dudes there,
Scandinavia, Sweden.
They make a million bucks a year.
They own a couple clubs, restaurants,
you know, little online businesses.
These guys are living the life that if,
that Elon Musk or whoever you want to say,
if they saw that guy's lifestyle,
they're like, I trade for that.
A couple of things from that that I want to dissect.
First of all, how do you have the bandwidth
to be able to pull quotes from so many different people
to be able to remember things from books?
because, I mean, I read, right?
Yeah.
But I cannot quote, like you can quote.
I cannot dissect books in the same way that you can dissect them.
Is it just like getting your reps in?
Doesn't your brain have a capacity for these things?
Maybe it's a weird superpower.
It's like everything.
Dr.
Buss is always like almost everything good is, almost everything.
You answer that with a quote.
That's because I think you should answer with quotes because when I hear people talk and they only say their own ideas,
first off, there's nothing new under the sun.
So it's actually not their idea.
and they're not giving credit.
When I listen to most of the internet,
is dudes regurgitating other dudes' ideas,
but not giving them credit.
So for me, I'm like,
people give me a hard time.
I'm like,
I'm going to give credit where credits do.
At best in your life,
you'll have three creative new ideas to bring out on earth.
How about Albert Einstein?
We remember equals MC squared.
You know,
maybe the smartest man,
ever, Stephen Hawking,
people don't even remember anything.
So I don't think it's possible for me.
I don't have,
I'm not as high narcissists as people think.
And one of the narcissistic seven subsets of narcissism is self-sufficiency.
So I don't see myself as a self-sufficient smart guy.
I see myself as a guy who maybe has a weird superpower,
being able to remember a lot of people's ideas,
and synthesize them into new ideas that apply for 2023.
Okay, so you also mentioned during what you just explained,
like encountering Elon Musk.
Yeah.
And also yesterday when you were talking and I was listening, you brought up Elon Musk again.
How many times have you like ran into Elon Musk?
So that fireside chat was not a real one-on-one.
But the first time I kind of really talked to him started in 2014.
I think he had moved.
I don't remember his story, but he had moved or spending more time into Hollywood.
He's a real socialite dude.
You see that new book came out, Walter Isaacson?
It's the Elon biography.
It just came out a week or two ago.
He really likes the social status.
So when I started rising,
I'd go to all the king events.
Like I'd get invited to Academy Awards.
I'd get invited to Game of Thrones premiere
with all the actors.
So you always see him there.
I would see him there.
I went to me and Dolph Lundgren.
I don't know if you know who that is,
but Rocky Four, the famous actors, the Drago.
I went to the Cohen brothers.
They're very famous directors.
Get invited to movies and I've been sitting next to Elon Musk.
Oh, yeah.
What would you talk to him about?
So I would not say I know him in an incredibly high level,
but I've had a 25-minute one-on-one conversation with him, just me and him.
I would say he's like, he appears.
He's very sharp, opinionated, strong.
Look, he reminds me of all the billionaires I know have one thing in common.
I'm in business with two guys on the Forbes list.
I've done business with four.
I mean, I know four of them.
They're tough.
You know, I call them the warlords.
The top of the Forbes list is a whole bunch of warlords.
They're not saints.
They're warlords.
And sometimes they're creative warlords and maybe they're important for society.
But he's a powerful guy that has strong opinions.
And like the longest conversation, he goes, we had met a week before.
And then I was at the Game of Thrones on my Instagram.
It's an interesting little video, one of the ones with me and him.
And he said to me, he said, do you think I should use Snapchat to grow Tesla?
This is 2016 when Snap was kind of new.
and Tesla was on the rise, really on the rise.
And I said, yeah, and I gave like a 10-minute explanation.
And at the end, he just shot me down.
He's like, I think you're wrong.
I'm not in a mean way.
He's like, I think you're wrong.
He's like, good products sell on their own.
They go viral through word of mouth.
I used to tell the story for years.
I was like, I thought I was smart.
And Elon just shut me down.
But I think I was right if I might be so bold.
Because a couple years later, he bought Twitter X.
Not only did he see the value.
And only then did it become a real.
richest man in the world. The man, the true emperors are the personal brands. And if you own the bullhorn,
Twitter X, you have the power to become the first trillionaire, which Elon has the power. Now,
it doesn't mean he wouldn't have been super successful without it, but he, he realized, like,
you need social. Look at his Twitter. His Twitter, every time he posts, I see two to 20 million
views on one tweet. Yeah. He posts five times, 10 times a day. That's 200 million.
million people, that's a continent you reach a day.
I've had conversations with them.
He's sharp, strong opinions.
And if you read that new Isaac's sick book, but I do know one thing.
He and I love books.
And whenever I've gotten shit about books, I'm like, I don't know.
I was at the HBO.
This is the one on my Instagram.
I was on the HBO after party.
And I have a friend.
I tell everybody, if you're, I'm not as extroverted as people think.
I have this guy, James Swanick, is the best network on Earth.
So we're at this HBO thing, and Elon is right across, and I said,
James, go intro.
Us, let's go intro to Elon.
And he walks right up, he's Australian.
He's like, James, how you been?
He always confuses people by not saying, I'd like to meet you.
And then Elon's kind of like trying to figure out, do I already know those guys?
Like, James, good to meet you.
Good to see you.
That's what he says.
He always says, you want to network?
you go up and say good to see you.
Don't say good to see you again because that's a lie.
He'd never meet Elon for him.
It's good to see you.
And then they're thrown off because they're like,
maybe I saw this guy yesterday.
But he said,
God,
I want to ask you a question.
So I came over and I said,
Elon,
what's your favorite book?
He was dating a girl.
I don't think it was Amber Hurd.
I think he got back maybe with his wife,
Tallulah or something.
And his wife pulls him away.
They were leaving.
And he was talking about,
oh, I like books,
but he was thinking on it.
I said,
what book do you like them on?
He pulls away.
He loves books so much.
I watched him walk 20 feet, pull apart from his girl,
and come back to tell me the answer.
He goes, Lord of the Rings.
I said, why?
He said, because it shows that you should do something even if you might fail.
I thought that was kind of profound.
That's a great answer.
Yeah, that one's on my Instagram.
You got to grow back to 2016.
So Elon has a, he has a streak of profoundness.
to him coupled with extreme high risk taker.
And you find that among most billionaires then, right?
Yes.
I always say I think there's five actual scientifically validated wealth traits
personality-wise.
Number one, 75% plus of self-made billionaires
were born to wealthy parents.
But or well above average.
But that does not mean their parents gave them the money.
The way I interpret that.
is genetics.
There's genetics people don't like to talk about,
but you can inherit warlord genes.
Bill Gates' father was like the most wealthy lawyer,
I think, in his state.
I think he was born in Washington state.
So 75% of people are of warlords,
as I call them the billionaires,
are born to warlords.
Warlords give birth to warlords.
There's a good book on this called The Self-Made Billionaire Effect.
It's kind of a scientifically validated book.
So you go, genes.
You could say inherited money,
but I think it's gene.
jeans. Number two, extreme levels of energy. They call it hypomania. If you read this story of people
who succeed, they don't get tired. Maybe, I mean, they need to sleep in hours. But when they wake up,
it's like, I have hypomania. I'm not as successful as Elon Musk, but my cousin, when she
read that scientific report, she's like, oh, you got that hypomania. So I tell people, get your
fucking energy up. It's hard. If your goal is to be a warlord, you better be a-
Isn't that just motivation?
Like if you're motivated, you find the energy I found.
Yes, but I do think people have, I mean, it's kind of like black guys,
10% of black men, African Americans specifically, have what's called the super gene.
The super gene is the ability to put on muscle without fat.
Only 1% of Caucasians have it.
That's why I always tell people, if you want to be a personal brand, you better get with it
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How do you acquire hypomania?
Or is it mostly genetic?
I think most things are science is going to end up.
It's like 70% 60, 70% genetic.
But you can alter it.
I mean, people don't fucking sleep in America.
You got to sleep.
Einstein said he needed 11 to 12 hours a day.
So I use this aura ring.
I built this system called 150 body.
I first built it for myself.
Now I kind of share it with the world.
But need to try to get 150 minutes a deep sleep.
When you track, I get entrepreneurs that track.
They're deep.
We've been doing that.
Yeah.
dudes ain't gay i meet people getting 40 minutes of deep sleep it's almost impossible the mind resets and rejuvenates during sleep so you need rem but i find most people's REM's not as fucked up as their deep sleep people live you gotta make your room cold you have to make your room dark you got to put on blue bockers and deep I call it you know decompressed two hours before you sleep I put in wax these waxier plugs see so like when I'm in Vegas here I can seal it like
Like some dude could be party next door.
I hear nothing, you know.
And I go to my farm a lot.
It's less, better feng shui.
But also, I think there's something to too much Wi-Fi.
I live in Manhattan in a big high-rise and billionaire row, it's called.
Didn't sleep good once for a year.
You're in a building with like, you turn on your Wi-Fi's like 60 Wi-Fi's in your room.
There's no way in 100 years that won't affect us.
EMS stuff, all that stuff.
But for billionaire upbring in terms of genetics.
Yes.
Wouldn't it be instead of genetics, maybe upbringing?
Like having highly motivated parents watching that,
feeling they need to live up to that,
high standards,
maybe a better education.
Right.
So I feel like all of those would play a bigger factor than just genetics.
That's what the world thinks now.
I think our grandkids will think we were wrong.
And the reason is they're doing a lot of twin studies.
They've been doing them.
You take identical twins,
essentially have the same genes.
Let's say in this scenario,
born to rich parents,
the kid, one kid's taken and raised in utter poverty.
My dad was born in Spanish Harlem.
It was very poor.
You take that kid, and then you take the kid born to the wealthy parents who's raised by
his billionaire dad.
These kids will have very similar outcomes.
100% similar outcomes?
No, but shockingly similar.
This will be the kid that rises out of the ghetto and becomes a billionaire.
Now, people are going to argue with me this, but you've got to look at twin studies.
It's tremendous.
They used to think it was more like 40 to 50% genetic.
I was just reading the newest textbook.
It's by the guy who invented the Hexico score.
I'll try to give it to you for the show notes that I forget the name of the text book.
It's like personality.
Now that there's more DNA type decoding the genome, already it's up to 65% they think of your life outcomes genetic.
Now, there are some things that are more genetic than others.
IQ's extremely heritable.
It's called Heritability.
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Height is about the same.
But other things like narcissisms is almost.
the same heritability, anxiety, quick to anger, determination, persistence. It's called conscientiousness.
All these things are- Is that genetic, though? Because couldn't you see parents acting in certain
ways? Let's say anger. You see your parents blown up over things over nothing. And then you learn
and internalize, that's how I should be expressing my anger or frustration.
That's what we used to all thing. Yeah. We decoded the genome. And then you separate a kid who grows up to
angry parents. They never see their parents get angry. They grow.
up in a happy family and they're the always have the temper you see that in animals you know i think
what were we humans go wrong is to be homo sapien in the modern world is inherently to be a narcissist
because we don't realize that we're 50% the same genes as a banana 70% the same genes as a housefly
98% same genetically as a chimpanzee we ain't that different and so on my farm if you read a
textbook on like cattle, for example, you can genetically breed meaner cows or happier cows.
A Rottweiler pit bull.
Pit bulls are just genetic breeding.
For a long time, the Roman Empire, they'd raise dogs.
They'd look at the litter of puppies, the meanest one.
They'd keep, they'd kill all the rest.
They did that hundreds and hundreds of times.
The mom, the dad, and they took the mean dad, bred them over and over to 100, 200.
Most border collie dogs, which is the highest IQ dog.
They're all related to one dog from the 1800s.
His name is Wiston Cap.
Every single.
How do you remember that?
I used to raise border collies.
I live on a farmer to train him and he's in.
Whiston Cap, look it up.
W-I-S-T-O-N.
Cap, he's from Wales.
Every female, every pro dog trainer would fly their females to get to breed with
Wistin.
He's like 95% of Border Collie.
And what dog has the highest?
IQ, border collies.
It goes border collies, then poodles.
Yeah.
What's the dog responsible for 95% of all bites?
It's like two breeds.
That's genes, man.
You could find a super dumb border collie.
You could find a super nice rot water,
but the genetics are spitting out one ancestor.
So then what do you say to the people that have pit bulls?
And they say, no, this is friendly dog, would never hurt a soul.
There's truth of that, but still people live and numbers don't.
It's still 95% of dog bites or like two breeds.
And it's just genes.
Isn't it pit bulls and chihuahuas?
It's like the most.
Yes, but nobody's dying from a chihuahua.
I know,
but I'm talking about like dog attacks.
Yes.
I feel like chihuahua.
Yeah,
dog,
for sure.
Chihuahua attacks all things.
It's like all things.
It's just their mouth's not big enough to break the skin.
Yeah.
The owners that think they're cute.
It's like,
oh, no,
it's adorable.
He's nipping at your leg.
I read somewhere.
One of those dogs was like the emperors of China.
It wasn't.
It wasn't, it was a similar breed.
The emperor used to tell if somebody was coming in to kill them.
They would put them on their bed to sleep.
And anybody who came in a low, yippy, yip, damn, it wasn't a Chihuahua.
What was the one?
It was the Chinese Empire.
But by the way, you know, talking about dogs and having people break into my house and genetics,
when I first started having problems, even before that guy broke in, I'd have people
at my door, people get arrested outside for not leaving, trying to break into my house.
my place and talked to me. Beverly Hills Police Chief came, had lunch with me. He's like,
listen, get a dog. He's like, we found houses with a dog barking. They just, it's half as likely
to get, you know, broken into. So I'm like, okay. He's like, I said, what kind of dog? He's like,
it doesn't matter. Just one that barks. Because people can't see it, right? So me trying to be
all scientific, I'm like, I'm going to get, what's the best dog? Google's like train German
Shepherds from Germany.
So I actually got a German shepherd from this dude.
It was like the best jeans.
He gave me the papers.
How much was that dog?
They were expensive enough that I flew them down on a private jet.
I took a jet to go get them and came back down.
Oh, they're expensive.
Yeah, it's like 100 Gs for two dollars.
The problem was as the years progressed, these dogs started getting out of control.
And one finally took out the FedEx, man.
I didn't get sued.
Thank God.
The guy was nice.
So basically, that's the gate you, there was a gate you could buzz.
Yeah.
And I always told my staff when they left, close that damn door because I got the dogs.
And one of my new staff left and kind of cracked it open.
So the FedEx guy came was a new FedEx guy.
He just opened it, walked in.
I mean, I would have liked to see that dude's face.
These two German Shepers just barreled and took them down, bit him in the arms.
And then I sent him to my farm because I was like,
I thought you met the UPS guy.
No, I was not FedEx guy.
Yeah, I thought FedEx guy.
I said it to the phone.
Yeah, he didn't die.
But he was nice enough to not sue.
I was like, oh, maybe the law is if you walk in without that,
maybe that's why he didn't sue because he shouldn't have come in.
We had a sign.
You would think his employer would be covering any workplace incidents, though.
It broke the skin.
It was just more scared to shit.
He was down on the ground.
Luckily, we could see, and we ran out there right away.
Yeah, but see, those dogs are not trained.
to kill. They're trained to just subdue the person until somebody arrives. But they'll break your
arm. Yeah. They grabbed the arm and like yank it around. And they knew German. So I had you had to do it's like
all the German attack and you know, it's pretty octum or whatever he's supposed to say to these Germans.
Yeah. So then I sent on my farm, but they were also problematic on the farm. They started hunting a neighbor's sheep
and cows. With those dogs though, I heard you also have to train them every year.
Yeah. Every other year for like a few weeks at a time. That's why that Navy SEAL security.
security guy. That's how he kept from being bored from eight at night to eight in the morning.
He would walk my house till people started coming and he would just walk with the dogs and train
them all the time. But that time was in the day. He wasn't there. And they took down the FedEx guy.
My farm neighbors were like, bro, I'm going to blast your dogs because I sent them to my farm.
And they started hunting. They're just bred to hunt. Bread to hunt as though. Just like dogs,
Like we are also mammals like dogs.
So going back to what it takes to be successful at the upper echelon,
the stats are there.
And we can argue it's, you know,
it's nature, nurture causation correlation.
But I think it's going to be more genes than you think.
So let's talk more about genes,
but we need to finish the three through five.
Okay.
Three through five.
So as genes, it's this high level of hypomania energy.
The third thing is almost 75.
percent of self-made billionaires were in direct sales early.
Mark Cuban told me he was selling garbage bags door to door or something like that.
If you look at Steve Jobs, he was like as a teenager almost going when he was starting Apple,
him in Wozniak, he was going to Hewlett Packard guy, forget the guy knocking on his door like,
will you help me grow my brand?
Elon Musk, if you read one of the autobiographies, previous one or biographies, he's talking about
Every night at 9 p.m., he would call all his sales managers in the entire United States and help him sell, teach him how to sell because he knew the importance of said.
Bill Gates at age 16, 17, 18 was on the phone selling computer stuff.
He would lower his voice so they couldn't realize he was a team like, oh, this is William Gates.
He was doing phone sales.
Jeff Bezos, before starting Amazon, was working as an investment banker.
Investment banker was a fancy word for a Wall Street sales guy.
I work with investment banker.
It's good ones are salespeople.
That's why sometimes people, I was one of the big network marketing guys came to my seminar yesterday.
I've never done network marketing.
I think I probably should have, but a lot of people say it's scam.
I think it's good, man.
You got to pay $300 to be most network marketing plans.
You're probably not going to be a millionaire from it, so forget that.
But at worst, you learn direct sales.
You got to know how to sell.
I call it the king of all skills.
The king and queen is sales, direct sales, and marketing.
These billionaire guys are great negotiators.
They're tough negotiators.
That's sales, man.
It's also getting along with people.
Different personality types and knowing which ones to...
Where to push, where to pull.
Yes, push where...
But I was going to throw the next one that Dr. Bust taught me is low agreeableness.
All the warlords are...
It's weird.
But in general, I'd say they have very low agreeableness.
They're fucking hard to negotiate with.
My millionaire friends, you can be like, you know what,
let's do a deal that's fair for both of us.
Oh, not a billion.
He's going to extract that last penny out of you.
There's a story of J.D. Rockefeller, the richest man in modern history,
600 billion net worth.
He would be sitting there doing a deal.
And he'd be like, the last minute, he'd be like, you know what?
I got a better deal for you.
And he was so quick with math in his head.
He changed the terms, the amortization schedule, changed the interest rate,
make it seem like the other guy was getting a better deal.
And he was switching the deal to his favor.
Make no mistake.
One of my friends are five guys built online porn.
They started porn home.
Five Montreal, Quebec, Canada guys.
And I know them.
They're all from Lebanese.
And one of them told me a long time ago,
we were just talking about business.
He's like, tie.
All empires are built by blood, sweat, and violence.
So most of the dudes on the Forbes list,
there's a body buried,
probably outside of a casino here somewhere.
Everybody's looking at, like,
which is the most virtuous Forbesless people?
I'm like, this is Genghis Khan work guys.
man, this is Atila the Hun.
So yes, I agree with you that billionaires know how to be
chameleons and change their persona,
but deep down their low agreeableness,
they will fucking,
you better read a contract sent to you by a billionaire.
I'm going to tell you that right now.
You better not celebrate because they shook hands with you
and said,
we're going to do the deal that way.
They will change the deal five seconds before it's over.
I'm dealing with one of that right now with a dude.
I won't say which guy.
With Ben Shapiro,
you told the audience that they should go to tie lopez.com slash quiz.
Yes.
And that all business partners or even romantic relationships should take the quiz and compare it.
Jack and I took the quiz.
Yes.
The first time ever.
I should see it.
We want to show it to you.
But we're not going to tell you which one is ours.
We want to see if you could guess.
Oh, I can guess.
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I'm going to have you. Sure. Let me preface it with this. I have a hard time answering questions about my personality.
Yes.
Because I feel like it's always changing and how I feel about certain things, especially if it's just A or B.
You know what I mean?
I need them to be like very specific rather than more broad because these are very broad questions.
It's hard.
Was that hard for you, Graham?
There were some questions that I didn't know how to answer because I felt neither one was like that strong when it was either or.
Carl Jung would have probably said you're more of a J and you're more of a P.
J is he called judges.
So judging people need to have.
They have a hard time working in uncertainty.
So the fact you told me that tells me a lot about your personality.
Are you giving it away, Jack?
You're giving it away.
This test was not the Myers-Briggs.
Myers-Briggs is less accurate.
16 personalities that everybody's taking.
It's not the best.
How did you come up with this?
So this, I have multiple quizzes on LifeCompass.
I got a new one out called on 12types.com,
but this one is a compilation of the most scientifically validated,
which is Hexico, NPI, Mok4, kind of blended.
It's better than the Jungian.
16 personalities, Myers-Briggs.
It's better than the big five.
So these are all my Harvard guys.
So, yeah.
So I don't know which one Jack shows you first.
Which one of you loves money the most?
Is that going to give it away?
Just a question.
I don't know you all well enough.
Should I answer it or no?
I think.
We'll answer if you want us to answer.
No, no.
Can I see both?
Then I have.
That's the other one you just swipe.
I think this one is you.
The second one I think is you.
Could be wrong.
Which one is me?
You guys actually scored relatively similar, first all.
Neither one of you are psychopathic.
Good.
That was a close one, wasn't it?
I think this one's you.
Which one is that?
Let me see.
I know you all well enough.
I think this one's you.
Yes.
Am I right?
Correct.
Yeah.
I think you have a little, I think you like money more.
Then I think you're a little more money motivated.
Is that correct?
Correct.
That's my read before seeing the quiz.
Sure.
What gave it away in that?
Your response to money.
neither one of you are ridiculously greedy
but were you bullied
who was bullied more I think you were bullied more
I was not really bullied
authoritarian parents
No I don't like authority
But I'd never had an instance
You don't like authority?
Not really I'd say my only experience with authority
is through school
I just hated being told what to do in school
He hates being told to do
Very anti-thory
So when I say bullying
So the definition
Yeah so when you get high macs you got relatively high maccuvil
That's 61.
You have a slightly more cynical view, but you both are very, you got a 57, 61.
So you guys are a little bit cynical about the world.
Technically, Machiavellian, the beginning of clinical mental instability is a 60.
So you got 57 and you got 61.
So you both share a slightly cynical view, which, by the way, you're kind of journalists.
You're a modern day journalist.
So my new quiz, 12types.com, is more.
hormonal based you're both a little bit what i call threat based so you both have a little bit of high
cortisol you have much higher anxiety you overthink things more than you so you're more of what i call
defender you have a defender type personality that's very accurate when you place it like i was looking
through that not fully understanding what it meant yes if i could be cocky about one thing i think i'm the
best person in the world at reading people if there was a damn olympics that i could bet a million
bucks, I would go and try to take everybody in the world's money.
How do you do that?
I've been trained for a long time and I purposely pay, I mean, Dr. Bus is always like,
Ty, you've tested more people as an individual than any psychologist in history.
I've tested like 800,000 people on Life Compass that I built, that I have the data.
I don't look so much at individual people as I look at like metadata.
I've also been trained by Dr. Bus who has a PhD in psychometrics, which is the study
of people. And he's the preeminent living evolutionary psychologist. He wrote all the textbooks for
Harvard and Yale. I met him in 2014 and we've been very close. He's been an advisor close. I sometimes
talk to him three, four times a week. And I have a female mentor named Dr. Helen Fisher,
who I've known for probably seven years. She's a PhD and chief scientist for Tinder. She has the
most data on human relationships of anybody. I mean, imagine controlling Tinder data. I think to be good
at anything, you need 30,000 hours of it. The old 10,000 hours, kind of archaic. Most chess masters
are like 20, 30,000 hours. So I definitely have 30,000 hours reading people. Usually you need
a troubled childhood. It makes you read people. I had a pretty troubled childhood. So I learned to
read people to defend myself against, you know, wackiness, craziness, trauma abuse, you know.
And then I think probably I'm naturally interested in it, you know. And then you get the best mentors in
the world. And then I've also done the data myself. So I can, I actually, when I go in seminars
now around the world, I'll cold read the room. And there's a Norwegian guy doing a documentary.
I'm like, I was in London last month. I'm like, everyone's going to say I planted the crowd
because I read people so close. He was like, what the fuck? So it's all going to come out in
this little documentary. But you can learn to read people. Some people are more intuitive. So I'm curious.
How do you, it will probably become good at reading people? How do you tell if someone's full
a shit because there are some people out there that I've met that I instantly I can't put a finger on it and
Jack and I have gone back and forth I'm like this guy is full of shit I don't believe anything he says
it's not true that I told you both defenders threat made yeah but Jack will say why and I have a really
hard time articulate let's break it let's break this down okay because it's not so simple it is okay
we have BS detectors yes yes and I would say they both fire at the same time however I am more
of like I need actual evidence
rather than the intuition
although my intuition is yes
right and Graham's intuition yes
it does tend to be correct as does mine
but I don't like believing something until I have
that hard evidence so that's where it ends up
what are your parents like my parents
how do you describe them my mom I would say
strict
more of a disciplinarian
a little bit more anxious
very she can read people extremely
She's a kindergarten teacher.
So she, and she's done that for like 25 years.
So she has every single year a new cycle of 30 kids where you get to analyze, you know,
their personalities and stuff like that.
And then all of a sudden you see them when they're 25.
And she's had that for a very long time.
So I'd say she's very good at reading people as well.
Your dad?
What's he?
My dad is extremely easygoing.
What's he do?
He's a real estate appraiser.
My mom is a kindergarten teacher.
Yeah.
So my dad, very easygoing.
Your dad, a number guy.
He appraised things mathematically.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah.
Structured numbers.
like to appraise things you need.
I would say so.
It's in the jeans, baby.
It comes in the jeans.
You're like, you go,
he needs to appraise the situation with data.
It's like, what does your dad do?
He uses data to appraise real estate.
It's funny how it works out, man.
And what does your mom dad do?
My mom's a therapist.
My dad's an animator.
Sure, mom have anxiety?
I don't think so.
She's pretty calm.
Does she overthink, though?
Remember, calmness is often super correlated.
with anxiety. I don't think so.
Give her my quiz.
Yeah.
It's very rare that kids read their parents correctly.
Okay.
And your dad does what?
Animator.
But he seems pretty calm too.
If he worries about it, I can't tell.
But I think your dad seems more calm than your mom.
Probably.
But I think a lot of it for me came from the sales experience of like being a real estate
agent, believing everybody.
Right.
And they're getting so many just fake stories.
Yes.
That eventually there were maybe some traits that I would pick up on.
Yeah.
Uh, where people would divulge too much information too soon.
like they're trying to impress you.
Yes.
I tell people, here's the problem with intuition.
Women are naturally 30 out of 100 at reading people.
Men are naturally 10.
I think the people that consider themselves intuitive are like 40s out of 100.
So it's kind of like this.
Let's say you just picked up a basketball on your own.
You kind of bounce it.
You could get good enough to probably become a junior high or high school level basketball player.
But you'll never be a pro.
to be a pro you must be trained
Michael Jordan didn't win championships
until Phil Jackson came in
and a great mentor coach
comes and molds your natural skills
and so I think most people that are intuitive
maybe you guys are naturally intuitive
you should be molded
and you can go from a 40 to a 90
you can become extremely good
I can read much deeper in stuff
that's not just things that my intuition
that 10 years ago I was still intuitive
but now I can almost it's very very hard for me to not I'll give you example some of it's just science
if you meet some of the tremendous amount of tattoos almost always they have high anxiety almost all
I was with one of the girls that's here you know I was she I guessed her this is a tinder date I met her
yeah and she's like I've never met somebody that told me more specific things in the first 20 minutes
like I knew I was like ah you had depression out 14 15 you know and some of this seems very magical
but it doesn't take as much intuition as you think.
Body modification, there's a lot of science
if you just Google body modification and anxiety.
So people who modify the body a lot,
whether it be tattoos all over,
a lot of piercings, very high likelihood.
They have tremendously high levels of anxiety.
Why is that?
Sometimes it's hard to know.
It's like why do people cut themselves
that have high anxiety?
There is a glitch in the matrix of our brain
that we just do shit when we have anxiety.
We manifest it in weird ways.
I haven't looked deep into that science, but it's a good one for people to Google.
But I also initially had depression.
Why?
Because comorbid, almost always people who suffer anxiety have depression.
They're very correlated.
There's a few people who have high anxiety and no depression.
And there's a few people who have depression and no anxiety.
But in general, if you have anxiety, you have depression.
So some of the magic trick of reading people is just understanding the science.
It's like flows.
You meet a dude who acts tough usually has high anxiety.
Guys, now if you've been to prison, like my dad had very low anxiety, was a very tough guy,
I had no tattoos, but my dad would definitely kill you.
My dad had a different diagnosis.
He had NPD, narcissistic personality disorder.
If I know you have MPD, I know you almost always have low anxiety.
These don't go together.
If you're a woman, there are certain questions you'll know that women have borderline personality disorder.
Women have it about four times more than men.
You said something that reminded me a borderline.
You said you get kind of a hard time understanding yourself.
A classic B.
I don't think you have BPD, but women, for example, if I'm talking with them, dude, men are more likely to be psychopathic.
Women are more likely to have BPD.
When men call women psychos, it's such a misnomer.
You almost never meet a psycho woman.
It's the definition of psych.
A practical example of psychopathy is the ability to kill a stranger.
women don't kill strangers.
And people have argued, I said, let's go to Wikipedia together.
Let's Wikipedia of serial killers.
They have a list of like the last 1,000 serial killers.
It was like six women, 994 men.
There's patterns.
We're not, and we're not special snowflakes that fall down.
There's, there's types.
I think there's only four main types of people.
I have the four archetypes.
There's, and they're all hormonal base.
So, for example, you are more cortisol based.
which I can call the defender or the threat-based.
They become very good investigative journalists, by the way.
You're in my 12 types.
I got this new quiz.
By the time this comes out, it'll be public.
It'll tell you what career archetype you should have.
I mean, it's the biggest oversight in the solar system
that people go to junior high, high school, university.
Nobody ever tells you your archetype.
You guys, I think you're more successful now as a podcaster,
journalist than realtor because this is your destiny.
You are a cortisol base.
of that's just genetic.
Then the second type is the novelty-based dopamine person.
That's what I am.
People are like, I don't know.
And that's also why I read a lot of things and bring them together.
That's a dopamine state.
That's why I have five homes.
You know, people are like, where do you live?
I'm like, I don't really, I get anxious after 15 days somewhere I want to move.
So I set up my life to be dopamine novelty-based.
A lot of VCs are usually dopamine-based.
They fund 300 different companies.
That's the archetype for a,
I'll tell you this and then.
But the third one is, and this is probably more you, you're a serotonin-based, structure-based planner.
Serotonin makes you like, I need all the data.
I need to kind of pull it together.
It's kind of the engineer architect type personality.
So for you, it's like, this quiz is too loosey-goosey.
I need the structure to answer.
And then the fourth type is what I call the socialite.
That's the oxytocin empathetic person.
So that is the person who connects well.
By the way, what I was going to tell you, be careful reading people.
There's a lot of science.
You can just Google this phrase, oxytocin and trustworthiness.
Men who have low oxytocin are perceived as more like fake, false, and dishonest.
But they aren't always.
They're just like aggressive people, but that can be good.
80% of Navy SEALs are clinical.
psychopaths, but they save the world.
Majority of firefighters, however high on psychopathy.
But when you meet them, you might perceive them like something's off in these people.
You've got to train your intuition because sometimes the people you trust are just high
oxytocin socialized that our brain has evolved.
Because a classic simple symptom of high oxytocin is I ask a question in one of my quizzes.
And I'll ask you both.
Let's see what I'll answer.
A large sum of money is deposited in you and a.
group of five men's account. Let's say this is what you're, the money you're going to have for the next 10
years. Do you have no problem delegating to one dude, assuming he has moderate skill, you can handle the
money. You make the money decisions. Or are you more like, wait a sec, I need to be involved in that
conversation. I would handle it. You would want to handle it. Yeah. I would handle it myself. Yeah.
How about you? It depends how much money it is. Say it's 10 million bucks.
10 million bucks. It's going to be you five are going to basically live, build your businesses and off this
sum of money. I would want an expert. I wouldn't settle for anybody that isn't an expert. I would
either ask Graham or I'd ask. And I would probably ask if they do it, but I would want oversight.
Like I wouldn't fully just trust them. Yeah, yeah. But you're, you are higher oxytocin. You're a little
more social than you. You're a little more like tough guy, a little lower in oxytocin. I think you
would score low on socialite. You don't enjoy socializing as much for no reason. Oh, 100,000.
Am I? Did I read you both correctly? I much prefer socializing to Graham. Yeah. Yeah.
So you are a lower, I'm like you a little.
Yeah.
So in that scenario, you said something.
So then, by the way, so you have the four archetypes.
Then on top of that, to complicate it.
This is how I came up with the 12 types.
Hold your hand over a second.
This is called digit index ratio.
Can I see yours?
Yeah, you both have high testosterone.
So you both.
How could you tell based on that?
So digit index ratio, you can Google it.
There's great science on this.
It's not palm reading.
It's not astrology.
Yeah.
In utero when you're in your mother's womb,
a certain amount of testosterone.
is released.
This is your testosterone on finger.
This is your estrogen.
Do it on your domino hand.
I have a lot of test and a little,
you guys have similar.
You have pretty high test.
You have very high testosterone.
People confuse testosterone.
They think, oh, steroids, bodybuilding.
Forget that.
We're talking about in utero testosterone.
Okay, so this isn't getting muscles in the womb.
And it's not perfectly correlated.
But it's pretty accurate.
And so risk taking, cooperation, aggression.
So that's why I asked you, you are more of a socialite with high testosterone.
You're actually complicated.
Let me step back.
You're a little easier.
You should be, you're the civil rights activist or the investigative journalist.
That should be your thing.
It's interesting you call Graham an investigative journalist because I 1,000% agree.
A thousand percent agree.
There are so many times I come over to Graham's house.
We'll be talking and be like, hey man, did you see this?
And he's like, man, I've been going down this rabbit hole and I found out this and I found out this.
And you wouldn't believe.
And I went back to this video that was posted six years ago about this person.
And then they said this and then oh, and then it changed up right here.
I mean, he did that right before you came over.
But a lot of that is because they don't trust so many people.
That's your high Machiavellian.
Yeah, but if I catch them in something, then I know, okay, definitive proof, they were lying about this one thing.
What else is there?
And you could piece a little.
What I'm seeing to you is,
Yeah.
Be careful.
Like Mark Twain said,
everyone's like the moon.
We all have our dark side.
Yeah.
As you go deep enough,
you will love nobody.
You will love,
there will be nobody left.
If you could be inside the mind for one day,
of whoever you think,
no,
this is a good person.
I've looked deeply.
There's no inconsistencies.
I've gone down the rabbit hole.
I Graham have done.
And this is the guy or the gal.
You get inside their mind for 30 minutes.
You might be like, this is the worst person I've ever met.
They may be having the thoughts of evil at a level that's Hitler-like.
So I just look at the world very differently.
I think up, and not to say my ways better than you, but the way I do it is go,
I like Abraham Lincoln.
Learn from everybody, even if it's not what to do.
So it's just to me, it's like when I see Donald Trump, it's not so much,
Is this the virtuous politician?
You ain't going to find one.
You can go back 2,000 years and you're still struggling.
It's like Julius Caesar, was he good?
I mean, you can't find anybody.
So to me, it's like, what does Trump, should Trump be president?
Well, part of me says, hell yeah, I want a warlord negotiating with Putin.
Biden's not a warlord.
Billionaires are warlords.
Who do you want sitting across a table from a, you know, the first trillionaire in the last 20 years?
or the trillionaire is Putin.
You can try. I just, I did chat GPT on that stage you were odd.
I said, how much is Russia worth?
Enterprise value if it was a country, $4 trillion was the estimate.
Well, he certainly owns 25%.
He owns the military and if you die if you don't give him what he wants.
So, warlord number one, Putin,
I don't look that I want a president without skeletons in the closet
because who is the man or woman?
is it Abraham Lincoln?
Well, he didn't give a shit about black people
until it was convenient for his political career.
Is it George Washington?
The saint of America?
Well, he was the richest man in the world, so he's probably a warlord.
There's a great book about when his chef,
who was a slave on his farm for 20 years,
finally escaped, wanted to go get to the north,
served George Washington loyally.
George Washington sent mercenaries to ruthlessly hunt him down
just to bring people back and say,
I'm the king.
So is George Washington a saint?
Who is the saint?
JFK?
He had tunnels for women.
He said he had to have sex with a new woman or a woman every single day.
Or he could have.
He got headaches.
So he just funneled women in.
And I think his wife knew about it, Jacqueline.
It's like, who is that guy?
Is it Reagan?
I mean, is it Bush?
Is it Clinton?
Is it Obama?
So to me, the second you go too much down the rabbit hole,
you become a nihilist, there's nothing good.
You might as well kill yourself.
the world. That's how people become nihilistic and depressive.
You're like, well, when I began to look into Christianity, whatever religion you grew up with,
it's all bullshit. Or when I began to look in politicians, all bull, and you just become a nihilist,
understand that we're just animals. And when I'm on my farm, I don't look at this bull and be like,
this bull's trying to fuck all the females, he doesn't give a shit about the other bull.
I'm like, no, he's a boss tourist. That's the species.
I don't, that's what a boss torres does. What do homo sapiens do?
They are a very clever combination of exploitation with cooperation.
Be careful of judging like Jesus Christ said,
because if somebody measured the judgment back on you,
you may not like the investigative journalist.
That's funny.
You know, it's like there is truth in that.
So it's good to be investigative journalist.
Just you got all things in moderation, keeping in check.
Does that make sense?
That does.
You know you always do that, right?
The investigating?
I do.
He did that with a girl I was talking to.
Oh, but it.
tell Ty about the story. I was, this, this was my favorite. I got to hear this. Did she
take my quiz? I'll say it. No. Okay. So I met up with this girl. Yes. On Tinder. We went on three
dates in four days. Wow. She lives in a different country. Okay. I'm nervous up.
Australia. Okay. She's here in Vegas. Okay. We're going three dates. Everything's great. Sure. We kiss.
It's cool. That's it. And then I brought it up to Graham. Graham goes. He investigates her
Instagram finds a photo with a guy.
It was a hidden photo with a guy.
She goes to find a hidden photo.
You call Zuckerberg.
All of her photos of her and a bikini, every single one of her.
But she would have my, this is my story, Jack, but she would have somewhere, it's like five
photos.
And I went through one and it was like the third photo in was her like with a guy.
Yes.
And I click this guy's profile.
Yes.
Because they were a little too close.
Yes.
And it had her name as a.
Instagram bio with a heart.
And he was privated, by the way.
So it was a private account.
And then she's a girlfriend.
Well, we didn't know that yet.
I facetined her.
And I was like, hey, what's going on with this?
She's like, oh, it's my ex.
We broke up.
He's inactive on social media.
And I told him that if you ask a cheater, are you cheating?
They're going to say no.
So it was pointless to even ask.
Here's my answer to you.
If you want my weird worldview.
It gets, it gets better.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
So hold on a second.
The investigative journalist.
I have to share this.
The best part is not happen.
Okay.
Okay.
So basically, I want to say it.
Graham DM's the guy.
Well, it was my idea.
Graham's the guy.
Okay.
He gets back to us.
We call him and say, hey, just letting you know, I went on a date with this girl.
What's the deal with you and her?
And he's all, that.
And he gets all angry.
He's all, we've been dating for two years.
I bought her a car.
I gave her thousands of dollars.
We have been together in a loving relationship.
Check this out.
Sends me a photo of his wall.
Just Polaroids.
them all on the wall. And he said, thank you so much. This restores my faith in humanity.
I always restores and both destroys. It restores at the same moment. The fact that someone
would go out of their way to give this guy a heads up. It's the brocode. If that's happening,
you got to let the other guy know. He said that we were guardian angels. But he was saying what
tipped him off was that she was posting these fun photos and he didn't know who was taking the photos.
Because it looked like in every place, like she's having a great sense. It's like you're not going to be
Hollywood Boulevard alone.
Yes.
That's why I have a girl said you like a third party nude picture.
Like, who the fuck's taking this picture?
It's like, hey, maybe I want to have this video on me.
But she said that you just find random strangers.
Right.
He couldn't pin her on anything.
So he just chose to believe her, but he had suspicions.
So we restored faith.
And he investigated everything.
He got down to the nitty gritty.
I knew it.
But that was my intuition.
He is the journalist.
But here's the thing.
Okay, I'm going to play devil's advocate.
Because I see both sides.
And this is why I was saying, if it was me and I was casually dating this,
woman, I don't want, there's no brocode. I'm like, don't tell me. I'm already assuming if you swim
with the sharks, don't be surprised if you get bit. If a dude's dating a girl and her Instagram has a
PayPal on it, he should have known he was getting bit. I knew. Of course I. The brocode wasn't needed.
What the dude needed was eyeballs and non-delusions. But he got the eyeballs through us. Yeah, but he should
have been non-delusional. That man is, I'm not sure you can save that man. He was, he was a young guy.
I think this was his first relationship. He was obsessed with her.
Yes.
I think that's a learning experience.
You've got to go through as a guy.
Get your heart broken like that and you move on.
Yeah, but even better is learn to read people.
Because you've got to be careful of getting your heart broken too many times
because sometimes it doesn't go back and you stay in that permanent cynicism place.
I think here's the thing.
First off, humans pursue short-term mating relationships.
Lots of women and lots of men do.
Ethics is a complicated question because in every scenario,
if you heard her side, sometimes there's another side.
I'll give you an example.
I knew a very similar situation.
It wasn't to me, but it happened to my friend.
When the girl was confronted, she said,
I'm dating a man that told me he'll kill me if I break up with her.
He said, I will kill you.
He was a jealous Latin guy.
And so she's like, yes, I'm cheating on him because I need,
I don't love him.
I've told him 20 times.
He won't let me break up with him.
And I need to find another man so I can move in another relationship.
because hopefully that dude might even protect me.
So there are other sides.
That's why I say the investigative journalist must, to be the true ethical one,
must interview the girl.
Now, if she's a pure liar, that's fine.
But you wouldn't be surprised.
There's an old proverb.
Every man's story sounds good until you let the other person speak and cross-examine.
You never know.
I tried to break up with a girl once.
She's known.
If you Google, I won't say which one if Tyler was growing.
Couldn't break up with her.
Tylobes.
com slash girlfriends.
No,
no,
if you said,
Tylobes.
I do not have that.
I do not have that.
I do not have that.
I have a hierarchy.
Here's the descendants.
No,
but it's just people put it up and like,
I couldn't break up with her.
She would come drive up and be at my house and be like,
I don't want to break up.
It's like,
and so finally I cut her off.
She ended actually going,
she had a nervous breakdown.
End up in a home for six months.
I felt bad.
But there's a situation where she,
I had told her,
we're not together.
And she's like,
we are together. I'm like, I'm going to date other girls. And she was like, she would come a week later and be like,
you're cheating on me. I'm like, I told you. You think we're together. I finally blocked her from
being able to come to the house. I told my Butler guy, don't let her in because he would let her in because
she was always living with me. So many sides, human mating is the ultimate complex conversation. And so
first off, there's something about adverse selection. Tinder is a SSG, a self-selected group of women who
tend to be more short term.
In general, long-term mating women are taken for long periods of time.
So when you meet a girl, you know, so you got to ask the right questions on that first date.
You know, you got to, I can find out, I've luckily never really, I mean, I could have been cheated on.
It's impossible.
But I don't have many horror stories because I learned to read people.
And it's like, you got, especially as a man becomes a prince, you're on your prince king,
you better be extra careful.
I got a question, though, because obviously I read.
all the red flags.
I was,
I knew what was going on.
I knew it was sketchy.
But a lot of the,
your,
his,
his,
was Jack's first words to me,
she's like a good girl, like so honest, loyal.
She's, like,
that's because you asked your conscious mind questions.
Never ask a woman or a man.
Let's get on a conscious.
from some other people, et cetera.
Why do people know what's best for them,
but they don't end up doing that?
I knew it was probably not good to continue talking to her.
Yeah, but your unconscious, what's good?
For example, was she beautiful?
Yeah.
Strong genes.
Your primitive mind, the whispers of 10,000 generations are telling you,
the whispers of 10,000 generations, people didn't live that long.
They're saying mate with her, have a kid.
She's beautiful.
That means low mutation load, low parasite load,
high IQ, probably in her family.
the IQ and beauty is also correlated.
So your genes are speaking.
It's not even the wrong voice speaking.
You have a combination of the modern world.
Hominids are like, let's say, 1.2 million years old.
Precursors to homo sapiens.
Homo sapiens, they guess, is maybe 300,000 years old.
From 300,000 BC, approximately to 25,000-ish BC,
we were hunter-gatherers and tribes.
Relative promiscuity, or I should say,
serial monogamy, one man often had a couple wives,
Women did sleep around, had multiple lovers.
They've studied this.
Dr. Buss lived with the Ashe tribe in Brazil.
They're still pre-civilization rainforest people.
Hades, all these.
Then the 15,000, 25,000 years became farmers.
The rise of real classic monogamy, real classic wealth, disparities.
You still have, like, all three of those brains.
Genes don't change that.
You have the hominid brain.
That's why men will ruin their life, have built their whole,
life career, wealth, family. They're driving a dude cuts them off. They sometimes get out of the car and
murder that guy. The guy didn't even see you through the wind. The primitive 1.2 million year old
hominid brain, you get out and kill. Why'd that guy do that? Because he just, he was in the 1.2
million. Then we have this hunter gatherer mind. That's why we don't like the nine to five job.
Hunter gatherers, even now to this day, they work about four hours a day. And they rest a lot and they
joke a lot. That's why the modern school system doesn't work. In the vast majority of homo sapient
time, you learn from mentors. You want to learn to hunt in the jungle. The old grandpa, the dad would be
like today, we're going hunting. Follow me, young son. You're 11. It's time you learn. And you
weren't lectured in a classroom hall. So sometimes you were with this girl using that, you know,
hunter-gatherer mind. Sometimes we do use this mind, which is like, that woman's my property. That's
what happened with the rise of farming. So it's like, she should only sleep with me.
Da-da-da-da-la. And then you fast forward and we're in 20, 23, 20, 24. And it doesn't make sense
our behavior. But it does to a scientist. It does. And so if your goal is to have a modern
perception, then you have to override your primitive, which is hard. And nothing more dangerous
to a man than a pretty face. Let's talk about conscious versus unconscious minds because you said
this at the dinner. Yeah. That you should be judging someone's character or just judging someone
in general by their unconscious mind rather than their conscious mind.
Yes.
Which was interesting because I've never thought about it in that way.
I've always thought that you,
you determine who somebody is by their active thoughts,
the ones that they're like forcibly putting on themselves.
Like they know their unconscious mind is always ticking at the back of their brain.
Yeah.
But they have the thinking brain or the conscious mind that is able to then conquer that.
And I feel like the thing that can then conquer should be the thing that's judged upon.
Yeah, we want to think.
But do we conquer the, I mean, think about us.
If you make more 400 ground a year, you are in the top 1% of America,
which is like the 1 tenth, one hundredth of one percent of the world in wealth.
Yeah, we still want to make a little more money.
It's not that logical.
I know Amish guys.
Like, why you want to make more money?
Why don't you focus on having more kids?
So we're still primitive.
That's our primitive.
Will Durant calls out the inquisitive mind.
We grew up in famines in this one million years ago.
So we learned to hoard when things are going.
well, you want to make more money.
Why does Steve Wynne trying to make more money and more encore?
It is.
Bellagia.
Why?
So do I judge him by sitting down with him and saying,
Steve,
win, are you a good guy?
Do you care about others?
Yes, I care about it.
What is that?
I got no information from that conversation.
The unconscious mind is what Freud said,
you know, man is like an iceberg.
90% of their thoughts are underneath the water below your ability to perceive it.
That's why when I read people,
People often can't even read themselves.
People don't know.
You know, investigative journalist.
That's something that maybe you didn't know.
Maybe you figured it out now,
but wouldn't have been good to know this at 12.
It's hard to read yourself.
So how do you cut yourself off in terms of, let's say,
striving for more and more and more?
Like you gave the Steve Wynn example.
How do you know when to stop?
Or maybe when to focus on something else versus pushing forward
and saying, I want more and more and more.
Well, I think some people are born to be warlords.
I think, I mean, Genghis Khan is the grandfather, they say maybe 1% of the world.
So if you kill Genghis Khan, it's like 7% of Asians disappear.
So I don't think so much in right or wrong or what you should do.
I would add to that thinking tradeoffs.
So all I would add to the conversation, if somebody says,
Thai, I want to be on the Forbes list.
I did a video once on this.
And I said, have you counted the cost of entering the jungle?
Let me update you.
I didn't say you shouldn't go in the jungle,
but I want to, let me tell you a story about snakes,
leopards, hippopotamus, and quicksand waiting to kill you.
Maybe it's better to just live on the periphery of the jungle.
You can step into it once in a while,
but you can be in a nice, quiet life.
So for me, it's not so much telling a Steve Wynn or a you or myself,
stop.
It's just going to have you counted the cost.
Because let me inform you about the cost.
You want to be on the top of the Forbes list?
you will there will be blood, sweat, and violence to get there.
Because if you don't, the other warlords will knock you off.
So do you really want to be at the top of the Forbes list?
Or do you have other values?
I think you should remind people of other things.
I have to remind myself.
Like, what do I really care about?
I have a quiz called Tai Lopez, lifecompancy.com slash 4M.
The four unconscious motivators of man.
When I did the quiz, after I built it, I took it myself.
And I'm like, yeah, it's counterintuitive.
lowest motivator is material things. Lots of guys who try to get rich or become rich, they're not
material motivated. That's why I wear no jewelry. So many people meet me and they're like,
Ty, where's your jewelry? And I'm like, well, I never cared about it. What I am motivated by is
movement freedom and mastery status. To me, it's better to be Leonardo DiCaprio than it is to be
Jeff Bezos. I think of Jeff Bezos spent one day in the life of Leonardo.
or DiCaprio, he's like, I did the wrong thing.
I made money so women would love me and the world would love me.
And then I didn't get it.
Did you see the picture when DeCaprio was there?
I did.
I just saw it again, the video.
And it's like the girlfriend and she's looking at the caprio.
She's fawning over him.
She's going to leave the richest man in the world for a guy who's probably worth 300 million,
but has mastery status.
Yeah.
Has more movement.
Freedom.
Mating.
He's more attractive.
So I have a mentor in dating love.
He's this guy named Mystery.
I don't know if you ever, he's most famous.
Yeah.
He's the most famous pickup artists.
He hibernated himself for a decade.
He was like the most long.
I'll let you tell.
It's a lot of personal stuff.
But I was just with him in Iceland.
And I like to,
he does these boot camps where he trains a dudes.
I love to go to him.
I'm like, I'm not bad with women already.
So it's not,
I'm not a beginner,
but I like to just,
he's kind of a savant.
And I was walking with them once
and he's not that money motivated.
I said,
Mr.
What's your take on money?
He goes,
well,
I get A-list celebrity men.
I get sheiks from Dubai and Middle East coming to me.
They have all the money in the world and they're like, teach me to be better with women.
And mystery says, why'd you want to make so much money?
And the guy goes, well, I thought making more money will get me more women.
But then Mystery said they got so good at making money.
They forgot to get good at women.
So the goal was mating and they got goal hijacked and distracted by money.
So Mystery's like, I don't ever want to be that guy.
Whatever you want to be, go straight to it.
So once you know your four unconscious motivators, let's say it's mating.
That's better to be an Amish guy's motivated by mating, big families.
Money is a subset to get that.
They don't care about mastering status being on the Forbes list.
They don't care about traveling that much.
They want this.
And they just go straight for it and have great life.
They're the happiest people statistically in America.
The man who goes, I'm going to make money material,
so that more men will respect me.
I'll have more freedom to do whatever I want,
and I'll get more women,
is for getting the first basic rule of geometry.
What's the quickest way between points is a direct line.
So if you want mastery,
don't try to make money to get mastery.
You know against the most women?
John Mayer.
This dude will steal your girl.
I mean, just statistics.
I always say it's funny that now,
like I'm going on fresh and fit next week,
and everybody talks about body count and this and that.
I think they're counting the wrong thing.
I think is love count.
I care less about it.
woman's body count, but how many times she's been in love? You meet a woman been in love five times,
deep love by age 30. She may have burn out that love, have a hard time. You might not be able to be the
sixth, you know? For men, you got to be careful. How many times you fall in love? But John Mayer
holds the title. I don't think he's slept with most women, but he has the most A-list, beautiful
women that still can't get over him. He's the king. And he's not that rich.
And he doesn't have that much movement freedom.
He's not a trap.
But he has mastery of the guitar.
Right.
He's a status trip.
So I always tell men, what do you really?
Who are you?
You're born that way.
But that mastery,
that mastery, I feel like is,
is social status in terms of John Mayer.
His music impacts people on a very deep emotional level.
Versus being, hey, I'm a master in dungeons and dragons.
Like on the top, you know, whatever.
Exactly.
So you could be a master.
and the wrong thing if it's if you know in terms of dating.
Yeah, but if you like Dungeons and Dragons, I'll tell you,
a woman will be more attracted to a master of Dungeons and Dragons
than just a rich dude.
It's weird.
Yeah.
Women are very, I would say, you know,
probably all human behavior is mating driven,
but mastery, most of the dudes who follow me and want to be rich are actually mastery driven.
Men are very status driven.
very, very, very status-driven.
So that's what I was saying.
You remind me of somebody more mastery status-driven.
I'm not sure you might be mating-driven.
Do you like the thought of having a large family?
Yeah, I would say so.
Yeah, you strike me as a higher oxytocin.
You strike me as a guy who's respected in his field as one of the greats.
And not the whole world respect you, but you have the respect of the people you respect.
Right.
That is important to you.
I think Graham's a mix of mastery and material.
No, I don't know.
Well, you, I would agree with that.
You also collect things.
I love collecting things.
Yeah.
So you are material-riven, but I would say, so you're good at this.
But I think you're mastery-driven first and then maybe material second.
If you had a choice.
Yeah.
I'd pick the mastery.
Yeah, if you had a choice of you had to give up all your collection and you went anywhere
to any conference in your industry in the world when you walked in, people wanted to talk to you,
the interesting people, the leaders would want to talk to you.
and see you and to dinner,
that's important to you.
I don't think that's as important to you.
I don't know if that's that important to Graham.
He doesn't like going to events.
He doesn't like socializing people.
He does like to have nice things and to have status.
It's certain people.
It's certain people you respect.
Yes.
You don't respect the masses.
Okay.
That's what Charlie Munger said.
He goes,
the earned respect of your peers
is the sweetest feeling on earth.
It's not the respect of the mass.
I get haters that are masses.
I don't care.
You care about the respect of the people you respect.
Right. Do you feel like there's diminishing returns, though, in terms of mastery?
Like, let's say John Mayer has kind of mastered his mastery.
Yes.
Does it make sense then to focus on something else and master something else?
Or is there a diminishing return of like doing too many things?
Well, I keep it simple.
I just think there's health, wealth, love, and happiness.
That's the biological imperative.
So no matter what you think you are, always have all four of those as your main focus.
More important than mastery movement, all these, health is the foundation.
wealth is the fuel love is the purpose happiness is the compass so what do i mean by that foundation
if you fucking don't feel good you don't give a shit about anything else there's dudes on their deathbed
or who are super sick and you said you got to give me all your money and i'll give you your help back
they've been giving all that money every bill i mean you ever felt super sick i got covid and i was
super sick in london and i was like i definitely start over with my entire life if you would take this
away so health is the foundation of life wealth is the fuel meaning
shit just goes too slow if you have no money.
Yeah, you can get what you want,
but it's like everything's hard.
When you got money, you can save time.
So that's the fuel.
Love is the purpose of life.
For sure, I don't, I'm not a spiritual expert.
I don't know what happens after.
I don't know that's not my expertise.
But on earth,
ask any scientist or any normal person,
and it's like family, family, people.
We're creative beings.
We evolved through sexual reproduction.
We're not like ferns.
Ferns have asexual reproduction.
We're not like earthworms.
You know, they're hermaphrodites.
They basically have, you know, they don't have male female.
We are male female, sexual driven, and the prime driver of humans is to create a new life.
We're creatives.
So love is the purpose.
And then happiness is the compass.
Oftentimes what we call depression is accuracy.
We're giving people drugs to overcome their accurate assessment of their life.
So if you wake up in the morning and you feel like shit, sometimes depression is fully biological, but a lot of it's situational.
And your compass is just subconsciously telling you, you don't feel good, motherfucker, because you think you're going north, but you're actually going south.
You're going the wrong direction.
So you've got to pay attention to your happiness.
Warren Buffett for 50 years says, I woken up every day and I tap dance to the office.
That's his brain saying you're good at making money.
Let's do more of this.
So you can't ignore these for health, wealth, love happiness, the foundation, the fuel, the purpose, and the compass.
And then so those are the things.
When you are John Mayer and all of a sudden you've mastered the guitar, I would look, I'd be like, how do you feel physically?
Are you eating good, dude?
Like if I do private mentoring now to some of the most powerful people in the world, you know, I charge between $100,000 and $2 million to coach people that are, but these are people where that's nothing, right?
But I made people pay because they pay attention.
I got some of my students now are becoming almost billionaires.
It's pretty cool.
Billionaires?
Oh, yeah.
I got my first student.
I've had many people.
Like 5% of the world's watched one of my videos.
Of course, Google, my Google reps are like, it's a lot.
Have watched it either an ad or a viral thing.
And I started a long time ago, more than a decade ago.
Oh, yeah.
So I mean, 80% of the big names that you see making money,
these dudes all learn from me where I have my courses in my masterminds,
applying, almost every, not everybody.
Donald Trump wasn't, but, but that,
and that's not because I'm so special. I just
was everywhere for a long time. It's just
the law of large numbers, right? But
what, what I tell one of my guys,
yeah, he went, so 2017 when he started
following me, he's making about
$7,000 a month. Now he's probably
going to do about $50 million net
with a business that he owns 100% of.
That's probably top line, one to 300 million.
It'll take one more year.
What's the business? Could you tell us the industry?
He's a big internet. I'll put
this way. He has the mind of a warlord. What he now does is watches the entire internet
and scrape downs and duplicates anything that's working. He's almost like an AI bot.
Sure. He's smart. Would we know who he is? No, he's the most secretive dude. He doesn't like that.
He's a hyper-seacitive guy. He moved to Puerto Rico. He's American citizen, but he's a sharp
motherfucker. But in my coaching, he never asked me about money. He's probably better at making money than me.
you start netting 50 million, that's a weird number.
Very few people where your bank account's going up $5 million a month.
But for him, I'm like, how's your health, bro?
And it was shit.
So to me, it's not like diversifying to another business.
It's diversifying to another pillar of life.
He sucks with picking women.
He has this problem you have where he's just attracted, cannot get over to whack a,
I mean, worse stories than you.
I won't say it in case he's listening.
and I don't want to accidentally.
But I mean,
just horrific stories of women.
So he was with me in Europe.
I have this shit.
He comes shadowed me twice a year.
I'm just like,
can't let that primitive mind.
Because he's rich enough to get the pretty faces.
I mean,
the pretty one,
the willamina models,
the Ford models.
And,
but there's some,
he's picking the psycho ones.
If you go straight to the top in beauty,
you better be a good mastery of the mind
because you will get fucked.
So I got,
I got a question right there, because as soon as you start increasing your status,
increasing your mastery, et cetera, and you say you have enough money to afford the pretty
faces, what I always thought is like the types of women that are attracted to those qualities
are not necessarily women that I am attracted to in general in the first place.
So like, do you think that the qualitative, like internal character traits and
personalities usually goes down or the, not the access to it, but like generally speaking,
And no, like, generally speaking, the dating pool that wealthy people are interested in,
the internal qualitative factors are worse.
Like Jack might do better being worth $2 million than $100 million in terms of finding a partner.
Absolutely.
That is it.
All billionaires suck with women.
I've never met a billionaire that's good with women.
All of them suck.
Google their girlfriends or wives stories.
All horrific stories.
Right, but that's because they're so focused on making money.
They don't understand, like, how personal relationships work, right?
I think they got goal hijacked and they wanted, like mystery said, they wanted the woman.
and there were the nerd in school.
Most billionaires were nerd bullied.
I mean, just read the new Elon Musk.
He was horribly bullied.
It's a sad story.
But, and so they wanted to make money to get the status to get the women.
And then they never got good with the women.
And then they get the money.
And like you said, they moved to Beverly Hills.
You never date any girl from Beverly Hills.
I live in Beverly Hills.
I never eat.
If I find a girl is out of Beverly Hills, that's a disqualification to be out of Beverly Hills bar.
Guys are like, I'm rich now.
I'm in Beverly.
I'm like, bro, you're getting the cream.
of the gold diggers.
No, you have to change.
You want, if you are in Canada, you got to change your geography.
You need a second home.
Oh, way, Vegas.
Vegas is a thin, I have this, I have this course called 13 thesis that I built.
Most common question that I've never answered for 10 years was my opinion on dating for
an entrepreneur guy, high status guy, making money.
So I finally recorded all the 13, my 13 hypothesis.
For sure, my simple answer is you got to change geography, my friend.
Vegas, you, economists, specifically.
speak of thick and thin markets.
Here's a simple example.
I have a private student.
He's in Montreal.
He goes,
I can't find a girl.
I said,
let's start with a physical,
and then we'll go on the personality.
What kind of girl do you like?
Blonds.
Well,
if you ever been around French people,
there's no blondes in France.
They're almost all brunettes
in Montreal's French.
I said,
it's a thin market.
So when you finally find the one blonde girl you like,
she's probably so spoiled there
because any dude who like blonde gives her too much.
I said,
move to Sweden.
All girls are blonde. It's a thick market of blonde women.
Have you like Latinas, do not move to Alaska and move to Brazil.
And all of a sudden the problem is solved.
So I think people, men don't understand economic terms like thick, thin markets.
And so they say, well, I'm going to find the needle in the haystack in Vegas.
Yeah, I know most girls move to Sin City because they like Sin.
But don't worry, Ty.
I have, it's called the search problem.
That's the mathematical word for it, the search problem.
We call it in modern colloquial terms the needle in the haystack.
Never believe in your own abilities to find the needle in the haystack.
You won't find it.
It's called a needle in haystack because it means you can't find it.
So you should have two homes.
You've got to go where it's called SSG.
Where is this cycle?
What kind of women do you like?
Blonde brunette don't care.
I would say generally brunettes.
Okay, generally brunettes.
I would say like the qualities, like intelligent.
But do you like introvert or extroverts?
I never ask men if they like intelligence.
The science is in on what men like.
Almost all men, almost all long-term mating needs to be within one standard deviation of your IQ.
That's like classic evolutionary psychology.
So no man who's a 135 IQ likes a long-term relationship with a 100 IQ.
It just, you naturally, it's called assortative or associative matching.
We don't find two different people.
So I don't need, I know whatever your IQ is.
is, I know you're, you know, your five, ten points around there.
So I've never asked that question.
Start with the conscious mind.
What kind of, so you tend to like brunettes.
Tend to like brunettes.
I tend to like, like, a little bit darker skin.
What ethnicity?
Ethnicity, honestly, anything?
I need to ask you, if you are answering,
what kind of women does he like physically?
Let's start superficial.
Physically, I would say somewhat athletic, brunette,
hair color doesn't matter that much.
I would say for me, it's more so like a cute look.
Like the girl next door.
Girl next door look, I think who has a very warm heart.
I think socially intelligent.
Extrovertor louder or quieter than him?
Probably slightly quieter.
Okay.
I don't think more extroverted, I think probably a little bit less.
But I think age.
Age probably 20 to 25.
Not older than you.
I'm 24.
So in your range.
Okay.
Yeah.
Tall or short?
Short.
European or Latin?
I don't know.
I've never been to Europe.
aside from Croatia.
Europe is more white.
I would say like a little bit darker on the skin.
But darker like Spain, Italy.
I don't know.
I really don't know.
Here's the thing.
I have this weird thing.
Southern Europe is my answer for you.
Southern Europe.
You got the money to travel once in all, right?
Yeah.
Sapiens were built.
We're not sedentary creatures.
It's a total myth.
There's no science behind it.
Hunter Gatherer.
You probably should have two homes.
You got your Vegas.
I would try.
Paris, I'm afraid to send you.
because there's a lot of beautiful brunettes,
but they just did a meta study
and most mental illness in the Western world is France.
So be careful in Paris.
But try southern Spain.
Spain's a great place.
So, okay, the one thing I find very interesting is...
That one thing I've said today is the one thing.
No, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not easy offended.
The thing that I really like is giving you a hard time.
It's how you're like, you're breaking it down to a science
that I've never seen before.
Sure, that is my priority.
And I've always known that, like, having a family and having a great wife
and everything.
That has been a priority.
My Graham knows this, right?
My family knows this.
But I've never thought to give it that level of like maximum effort.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, the quickest way between two points of a straight line.
Don't go zigzzy.
But here's the goal.
When I met Macy, I was at a point where I was so happy being single.
And that was the moment.
And then shortly after, in fact, I made a video titled,
The Reason I'm Single.
And then shortly afterwards within like two months of that video posting
was in a relationship.
like right after that.
But I was at a point where I was just like,
take it or leave it, whatever.
I was not looking for anything.
You are very different.
You are almost different species.
Okay.
Be very cautious of extrapolating your mind
into the mind of others.
Genes are smart.
There's a,
it's called FSD.
Frequency,
uh,
sorry,
FDS.
Frequency dependent selection.
Nature very specifically for the good of mankind
distributes different genes.
it does distribute genes that two women that are meant to be more short-term promiscuous.
It's not the end of the world.
It's supposed to be that way.
It does distribute a very small percentage of men to be extreme psychopaths, approximately 1%,
so that you have Navy SEAL warriors.
So that when the enemy comes to the gate, you have somebody who can kill with no remorse.
So yes, that man or woman must be ethical and legal, but let them be the Navy SEAL type.
You are the family man.
And that is good.
And you are the mastery person.
You got to get both of yourself permission to let the jeans live out because I'll tell you this.
You want to live a bad life?
You know this saying, don't fight the Fed.
Yeah.
That's a classic stock market thing.
The Fed's changing interest.
Don't fight the Fed.
You will lose.
Well, let me tell you something that makes the Fed look like a little fucking piece of dandruff.
If you flick off, jeans.
Read the selfish gene by Richard Dawkins.
We are just, we're like a blue, the jeans are the blueprint and they build us.
And nothing I can do will make me Shaquille O'Neal 7'2 dominant basketball player.
So the second I start going, well, I like that guy.
I'm going to, I'm going to really eat more, get more protein.
I really like Stephen Hawking.
I really want to be the physicist that unravels the world.
It ain't my destiny.
Don't fight the destiny.
And that's the spiritual way to say it.
The science side of me says, don't fight your genes.
You can't change him.
Why do you think that's such an unpopular opinion?
It seems like these days everybody wants to.
Narcissism's on the rise.
So do you think it's a narcissistic trait to want to think that you can change your environment?
Epigenetics has some truth to it, but it's been latched on to by people as like, well, you can change your genes.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Is a black man going to turn white?
Like what are you?
I don't even know people are talking about.
Michael Jackson has entered the chat.
Yeah, but did it work?
Didn't work.
It probably contributed to all kinds.
He couldn't sleep.
Well, he had the skin condition.
No, but I'm saying, do you look at a man who tries to alter his genes and see a lot of good track record where you envy the outcome of that human?
No, you find the human.
Look, if you have kids, my son, my daughter, your son, daughter, whoever you have, you've got to give him permission.
His civilization used to be, I saw a video on Instagram shocked me.
A kid born highly autistic, couldn't read, couldn't write.
Nothing was put in the complete category of not intelligent.
200 years ago, civilization wanted to give him permission because we didn't understand the genes.
I mean, a thousand years ago, they would have said he's demon possessed.
Really?
200 years ago, those kind of people were put in asylums.
If you don't believe me, Robert F. Kennedy, they took their daughter and stuck her in a home.
I mean, it was a horrible outcome.
Now, modern, we know more about genes.
They give this kid permission to grow up.
He wrote, he can write an hour and 120-minute symphonies in his head.
You gave him permission.
That's his superpower.
So now you must give.
But narcissistic times in the 1800s is like,
humans are meant to be this way.
You're not that way.
You go in an asylum.
You're a pimple on society.
We don't need you.
Let people be.
Now, the question ethically becomes,
what do you do with an Adolf Hitler, whose destiny is to be a warlord,
well, sometimes you have to contain things for the good of mankind.
But in general, you wanted to be a family man or you wanted to achieve mastery.
There's no harm in it.
It's like capitalism.
It's like invisible head.
I just read the book, you know, it says, let everyone pursue their own selfish interest
and all humanity prospers.
So let you pursue.
pursue that. And if I narcissistically go, well, Ty's not motivated like him. So, you know,
there's no genes. You should just change yourself and you should become like me. It's like, why?
And we really need more people. We want everybody to be a warlord trying to become a billionaire.
You want some people, though, sometimes warlord billionaires, like Elon Musk, figure out what NASA
couldn't. So you need a man who's driven by greed. All billionaires are driven by greed.
And by the way, well, you want to, I'll tell you how to intuitively read somebody. Do not
think somebody who's wealthy doesn't love money.
If they tell you, oh, I'm doing it for freedom and legacy, they are full of horseshit.
They're not.
So give them permission.
You have permission.
Elon must be selfishly try to become the richest man in the world.
And in so doing, save the world maybe.
That's okay.
You have permission to go and just change your life and focus.
Find the woman.
Find the woman.
It's fine.
Be happier, man.
How long do you spend learning versus doing?
What do you think is the right ratio?
between the two.
I think they're always in parallel from day one till day one million.
The Western world made a big mistake.
It was we have the classroom and from 18 to 22 you achieve secondary education
university.
And then now the modern stats is the average person graduates from college in America.
University doesn't read one book on their own nonfiction for the next five years.
I'd rather have like Bruce Lee said,
I don't fear the man who practices is a thousand kicks in one day.
It was the man who practices one kick a day for a thousand straight days.
Muhammad Gandhi is probably statistically the most influential person of our last century, last 100 years.
People think it's Einstein.
He changed India and what's the most populous country in the world that surpassed China this year?
India.
So the most people in the world have been affected by Muhammad Gandhi,
and he wrote an autobiography before he died.
And there's a chapter I was just reading it when I was in Sweden.
He goes, I believe in the power of the guru.
He didn't say the teacher.
Teacher is a fucked way to do it.
That is a modern bullshit.
Teaching is bullshit.
You know what my teachers taught me in school?
Well, Ty, did you know there's three types of learning?
There's audio learners, about 10% of the population.
There's, you know, visual learners.
It's about 20% of population.
And the other 70% are kinesthetic learners.
I'm like, is my teacher using audio bullshit that only appeals to 10% of the people?
to tell me that you only learned by kinesthetic doing and who do you do with the mentor is the guide i do
do Brazilian jiu jitsu imagine meeting a fucking jiu jitsu guy who told you he learned jiu jitsu on
youtube you would fucking laugh this guy out of the planet he's like who's your now you call it
your sensei and martial arts or your master or your guru so you want to get good in this new
business there's not about there's no period of teaching it's when the student's ready
the guru will appear.
Find the guru and step into the field.
I asked this to Kobe Ryan before he died.
I was like Kobe.
It's on my Instagram.
I got to sit next to him.
There's these cool seats at the Laker game.
If you sit next to him,
it looks like you're on the bench.
You essentially sit on the bench with the Lakers.
And I sat next to Kobe for two out of his three games.
And I said, can I talk to you in the locker room after?
And I post it on my Instagram and it goes,
do you believe in the mentor?
He's like, Ty, yes.
He's like, I learned basketball from Michael Jordan.
They had almost an identical game.
He goes, I learned business from Bob Iger, the CEO.
He's like, I learned to be a celebrity from Michael Jackson.
These are my three mentors.
Well, shit.
When Kobe Bryant had a $400 million debt worth, Bob Iger probably helped him.
He had like four rings, I think.
That's kind of like Michael Jordan.
He was a celebrity even beyond his death, kind of like Michael Jackson.
Yeah.
The power of the guru.
The teacher is the scam.
When people call me the, you know why the teacher is a son?
scam because the teacher doesn't is teach regurgitating but not to your personal situation how are you
going to have a classroom with 50 kids in a university or 20 kids don't how that's not the
guru has is Jesus Christ was a guru he has a 12 disciples Mohammed was a guru I forget how many people
he had his right hand generals we learn not in the modern mind the conscious mind learning that's why
nobody knows anything because you're appealing to the conscious mind.
For 300,000 years of homo sapiens, most of the time we learn with the guru,
the man learned to hunt by the grandpa, the dad, or the uncle saying,
we go to the jungle together.
There's no classroom.
Now, you do use audio occasionally.
When they came back from hunting, they'd sit around the fireplace.
You know, the fire and the African, you know, Savannah and the guru, uncle, dad would say,
now, we were out there hunting and we almost got killed by the left.
Meppard, make sure you point the spear up into the neck.
Don't try to come on the top.
And he picks up a spear and he's like, try it.
Let me watch you.
And it's like shadowing.
So you want to be a badass.
Well, we'll take your business to the next level,
is to go from just the Western mind into the Eastern mind.
And the Eastern Mind, Buddha was the master, the guru.
You must become a disciple.
And in the West, you know how we get away from that?
We call it a cult.
I'm like, motherfuckers.
America's already.
percent of Americans believe in angels and demons. I'm like, don't be talking about cults here.
Americans believe America is the greatest thing on earth. Maybe it is. I mean, what's the greatest?
But forget it. It's okay to be called a cult leader. People are like, you quote David Buss too much.
I'm like, bro, I know I've learned a hundred. I'll learn in 10 years what you'll never learn in all the
generations of your kids and grandkids. I believe in the power of the guru. The one difference I have,
and I would agree with is don't have one guru because then you become a cult follower.
There is no man or a woman who has all the answers.
So in the four pillars, I have a health guru.
And I always like to have a male and a female.
I find that nature distributes babies and sexes in 50% ratios.
There's almost always one boy, one girl ratio in the world.
So I have a male and a female mentor with working out.
I train with, you know, Ben Greenfield or Dorian Yates.
And I train female Becca Swanson.
and against Borker's strongest person in the world.
I'm not strong, but she taught me.
I have a shoulder injury.
I had a bench.
You know, I can rip like 315 when I'm bulked up,
but I couldn't do it before she told me,
tuck the elbows, you know?
It's like, I've got to fucking been in the gym forever,
reping sets.
I needed the guru.
She's like, no, no, no.
She's like, tie bench 601.
She's strong.
She's like, watch this.
Tuck the elbows in tight.
If you have a tear torn labrum,
all of a sudden I can bench an extra 100 pounds.
That's the power of the guru there.
wealth I have met my my 67 steps is the five mentors that I had Joel Salatin you know all the way and now I have
Tillman for Tide as a guy I look up to he's on the Forbes list owns the Houston Rockets I try to go once a
year's all the time you know he has seven billion dollars he gives me good advice you know I've paid
the guru I paid Steve balmer 250,000 dollars to his charity to have dinner with me for two or three
hours he's a top 10 richest person in the world that's the guru he gave me good advice he told me by the way
how to juggle a big family when you're the CEO of Microsoft.
And how do you do that?
His advice was Excel, which he invented.
I thought that was cool.
He's like, I had a spreadsheet to make sure I always spent time.
He's like, I was the CEO of Microsoft,
and not going to be able to go to every football game of my son,
but I just had, I used Excel, which he invented with Bill Gates,
and he just made sure he went to like,
I need to go to like 15% of my son's games.
No son's going to look back,
and our dad was worth 100 Bill and Bill.
like, oh, my dad didn't come to every game. Like, shit, I would have like to have a dad that has a
hundred bill. But I wouldn't want him to come to no games. So he just used ratios and balance and
math. So I learned that from that guy. When you can't figure out your life, use math. Math is the
language of the gods, man. Math is one of the languages of God. Love, you need a mentor. I have
Dr. Buss and Helen Fisher. They taught me a lot about the psychology of mating. And then happiness,
I have the Amish. I live with Amish for two and a half years. They are Jared Diamond, who has a
Pulitzer Prize winning book, the researcher from UCLA.
When he found out I live in the Amish, he's like, I studied the Amish.
They have 500% or the modern world has 500% more depression.
He's like, oh, you, that's, I want to meet the Amish.
They're happy.
So after this, Vegas, I'm swinging through fresh and fit in Miami.
I'm going right to the Amish farm that I have.
It's in the middle of an Amish community.
Now, why not get married to have kids?
Because a lot of people say that is the way to be fulfilled and be happy.
I never talk about kids.
So people always say, why don't you have kids?
kids how can you i'm like how do you know i don't have kids some things should be done in not on social
media for safety don't put if you're well-known don't put your kids on social media what are you doing
that's my opinion what are you doing if opening up for fucking weird motherfuckers if you
you know from you to look at your kids but i'm not a marriage type yeah i guess two questions um
love yes marriage is man-made invention if you do have kids yeah how would you think that would you think that would
change your perspective on life?
No.
Because I have that experience and I have, I mean, I think kids always change you.
But for me, it's just driven home.
Don't forget all four pillars of life.
Have kids.
If you want to make money, every dude who made money had kids before 30.
People have this bond.
I mean, people don't know math.
I meet guys like, oh, I get these students.
I'm not going to have kids because I need to make money.
I'm like, where do you get these facts?
What facts are you fucking looking at?
I'm like, you know the Forbes is better than a Harvard MBA.
Forbes list, Forbes.com, real-time list.
Let's go through number one.
Elon Musk.
He was 11 kids.
He had like five of them before age 32.
Okay.
He seemed to do well with money.
Okay.
Next, Jeff Bezos.
A lot of kids before age 30.
As I go down the motherfucker, I'm like, wait a second.
I inverted my thinking.
To get rich, you have kids before age 30.
But it seems as though the quality of life of some of those
maybe isn't as high.
Like maybe Elon Musk is not as present of a father as someone else who's not on the list.
But that is at any age.
He's just not that kind of guy.
Jeff Bezos is his kid.
I just saw his New Year's picture.
He's partying with his kid.
I think he grew up with his kid.
Steve Balmer was like I was with my kids all the time every day.
If anything, Warren Buffett had kids young and didn't, I don't think there's much science.
I think the science causation correlation, whatever you want to slice and dice the data.
My answer is a man should have kids the second he finds a woman who meets all five archetypes of long-term mating.
The second.
So if you find one, now you should, you need, I once asked Dr. Buzz, what's the minimum time you need to know a girl before you would have a kid with her?
And he said probably a year.
But it doesn't need to be 10 years.
To me it seems as though, from my perspective, 33, no kids.
Yes.
I want kids one day.
Yeah.
I recognize that I'm not in a headspace to sacrifice my free time.
enjoyment,
stress-free life
for a child at this point.
But that's the conscious mind.
I feel like it's the unconscious mind too.
If it was the unconscious mind,
you wouldn't be able to say it.
It's hard to say the unconscious mind.
No,
I think it's a lot of introspection
of why would not want a child right now.
But at 38,
I think that would be...
Is your girlfriend the same age, roughly?
25.
It's crazy.
A woman has like 4% of her viable eggs
that she had in her lifetime.
left at age 30.
Women got to look at data.
Men, it's not as scary.
That doesn't mean women can't have kids into 30s, 40s.
My mom had my last.
But the age at which you have your first kid makes it much easier.
So my mom had me at 24, 25, makes it easier to get pregnant later.
Now, we have all kinds of IVF stuff.
So women will get mad and say, but ideally you're having kids without too much chemicals.
If you can't have kids, you know, if you're 40 as a woman, you don't need to have a heart attack.
but woe to the person that thinks biology goes on their man-made timeline.
Biology is a ruthless motherfucker.
Don't give a shit.
And don't give a shit that there's only men and women.
It's like, this is how it is.
And that's the mind of God.
So I'm not necessarily saying God like a religious God, but it don't fight God.
I don't know.
But you may become, you may get everything you want if you had a kid this year faster than you thought you would.
I don't know about that.
Like, for instance, travel is something for me that I would like to do more of.
And I think traveling with an infant, I couldn't do that.
I couldn't be present in a new space and fully experience it in the back of my mind.
No, another kid at home.
Or about a year, you don't travel as much.
And then the kid becomes smarter as you take them with them.
So that's the ultimate win-win.
Kids.
But, you know, I like doing my own thing.
Think like a quantum physicist.
Don't have certainty.
You, by the way, on that quiz, you have saw.
High superiority narcissism.
Who thinks they're right a lot?
Mom or dad?
I would say neither.
Neither?
If I had to pick...
They don't have strong convictions?
If I had to pick, I would say my mom,
but she's a therapist.
So she comes at everything from...
This is what I've seen from my clients,
and based on this, this is what I believe would...
Have you met her?
His mom?
Yeah.
A couple of times.
Do you think she has strong convictions?
I would say much more so than his dad.
My dad's very easy going.
He's very much go with the fly.
Let me see the quiz that he got.
I'll show you something interesting on here.
So there's seven subsets of narcissism.
This is a very tricky one that you should know about yourself.
So you have, this is on, there's seven sub facets.
Maybe, I don't know if I can hold.
We'll put a screenshot on.
So authority narcissism, you get, out of 100, you get an 87.
So you're almost 100% authority narcissism.
And what does that mean?
You think you're right.
Well, can we just keep one moment right there to appreciate that because that is 100,000%
But a lot of times I am right.
Yes, but so here's my advice to you on this.
You've been given a gift and a curse.
What God giveth, she taketh away or he taketh away.
The authority narcissist must make sure that they have credentials on the things they speak on.
What I'm telling you, you should give you.
get more credentials on the question of what happens to a man when he has kids.
Where you get in trouble with authority narcissism is speaking on too many subjects.
You also have superiority relatively high, so in general you will take the vantage point
that your ideas are superior to others.
Does that seem accurate?
I would say so.
Okay.
The good news, you don't have exhibitionism narcissism.
You do not try to show off your body sexually to other people.
There's no thong or at thong.
I would agree with that.
Okay.
Entitlement, you're not bad.
You're below 50.
So you don't see yourself that the world must give you things.
You're willing to work for them.
That's good.
Exploitative, you're not tremendously exploitative.
You do not ruthlessly utilize your skills to make others lose so you can win.
No.
No.
Tesla insurance?
By the way, you're not.
You're also not super low.
Yeah.
Some people, like the Amish, score zero unexploitative.
But you're not tremendously exploitative.
No, he's not.
I was making a joke.
Vanity, believe it or not, you do look in the mirror more often than people may think.
You look at that thumbnail and like, do I look good in this picture?
More maybe.
It's not.
And then you have self-sufficiency narcissism.
These two are relatively innocuous yet dangerous.
Self-sufficiency is like, I will figure it out.
Yes.
The truth is not within, my friend.
And if you want to learn Chinese, you've got to go to China.
And the man who sits and goes, I will meditate through ayahuasca, absorb China.
I will download Chinese through the, you don't speak well.
Sure.
So your main, but it's a superpower yet it's like being seven, my stepdad's six foot seven.
It's a superpower.
Yet he fucking knocks himself out sometimes.
I've seen him almost kill himself running down the stairs at a log house in Virginia.
And he hit his head on a concrete thing.
I was like, he's dead.
So you're going to have to be careful.
You have a strong mind.
Yet that mind, if it's not held in check, you may find yourself back on the floor.
And you hit your head hard enough, you might not wake up.
So you must surround yourself with true experts.
You need gurus in all areas.
Don't work out on your own.
I'll give you the phone number of Dorian Yates.
Pay them $300.
You'll work out.
Sure.
One workout with Mr. 5 or 6 times Mr. Olympia will be better than all the self-learning.
So, yeah, what would you optimize?
If you were me right now in my life, what would you change and what would you improve?
Just based on how well you know me are conversations.
What I should tell you or what you'll listen to.
Both.
What I should tell you is you should have kids relatively soon, sub 18 months.
Throw all that garbage out the door.
There's no data and it won't be true.
And you'll thank me later.
You have the money.
And is your woman psychologically stable?
She nice?
Low exploitation.
have her take the quiz before I tell you to have kids with her. Let me see. But assuming,
you know what, I could call her and ask her. I don't actually appreciate that though, but to take the
quiz? No, like right now. What's a long quiz? But I will talk. It took me 10 minutes. I could do it on.
You mean do it live? We can do it. No, no, no, no. I'll just call her and I'll say, hey, have her. Don't say you're
talking to Ty Lopez. No? Well, you can. She knows. She's not on a podcast. Yeah. Do you think the results of our
tests would determine that we are good to be business partners or bad to be business partners or what?
I think Myers-Briggs is better for that.
A lot of scientists don't like 16 personalities Myers-Briggs.
I find it's good for like business partners.
It probably, I mean, use the Peter Drucker feedback methodology.
How long ago did you meet?
Graham and I?
Four and a half years ago, give or take.
So Peter Drucker wrote this.
I put it at on Tylobus.com slash books.
I list out the best books I've said.
I've had it for 10 years.
The top 100 books you should read in order.
Just read those 100 books a lot.
First one I put is Peter Drucker's little pamphlet called Managing One's self.
My mentors saw Peter Drucker as the best business teacher of all time.
He's very esteemed.
And he's dead now.
Sadly, I never got to meet him.
But he said, most people think they know what they're good at.
Most people are wrong.
More people than not think they know what they're weak at.
Even then more people are wrong than right.
yet you can only build off strength.
So what I was telling you about,
you're only going to be really good.
Your thing is going to be mating, man.
Your thing's going to be mastery.
It's the flow state.
Your flow state is going to come from having a cool family and all.
It doesn't mean you won't make money.
It's going to all emanate like a spoke and a hub situation, you know.
For you, it's like your love will emanate out of mastery.
You'll make your kids masters.
You'll probably get birth to more people that are family oriented.
So going back to this.
conversation about are you two good business partners?
He also says in that book, so how do you know what you're strong at?
He says, use feedback analysis.
Write down what you first thought.
So if I had a time machine, I go back to when you met four years ago and decided to be
business partners.
What do you think the outcome will be?
I'm assuming you would have written, I think this would be a good partnership.
We'll make more money together than we would have.
It would have been successful.
He said, then wait a couple years.
Look back and was it true?
Do you think you guys have done better together than you would have done all?
do you relatively get along without crazy?
Yeah.
You're probably a,
you're a strength.
Where people go wrong is what you did.
What do I want out of life?
I want a girl that I can trust,
have a long-term relationship.
And then you wrote it down and you started going on dates with her.
And then all the red flags started going in your,
so it's like, I think by going out with her,
I'll get my goal.
Then you ignored the red flags.
So you're ignoring feedback analysis.
The analysis was, nope,
it ain't going to work out.
She probably has another.
boyfriend. She'd probably high on promiscuity or there's a thing called the sexy seven,
which is like all your sexuality goes on this sexual seven. She's probably like higher on promiscuity.
Some people genetically are very monogamous, you know. Men think all women cheat. It's just not true.
There's like, it's very genetic. I've, I tried to go on long term partnership. I've been with women
that you just, these are not women who cheat. It would take an incredible that maybe if they
crash landed on a day.
desert island and or with another dude it would still take a solid year before they'd sleep with
them even though they knew they never get back you know or there are some women men went to
world war two and they were missing in action and never came back and that woman took 10 years to get
remarried monogamy is a gene so you were ignoring a woman who has a propensity probably genetically
to be short-term juggling they found that in the rainforests there's a
a famous book. Helen Fisher has it in her book called Why We Love. She talks about her experience
with hunter-gatherer tribes. She said there was a woman in a hunter-gatherer tribe before Instagram,
before TikTok, before Onlyfans, before porn. I'm talking pre-civilization. And this woman had
had 18 partners she had. Just a genetic thing. So this woman is probably her gene, her bloodline
comes out of that promiscuous thing. And you need to go, I'm writing down what I want. I'm assuming
you don't want a woman who cheats on you.
You don't want a harem, I'm assuming.
It's not super important to you.
So you're like, I want one woman that I can really focus on, find beautiful, could see myself.
Maybe I won't marry her instantly, but there's potential.
And then you go out with a chick.
Lots of fucking bikini pictures.
Lots of bikini pictures ain't that girl.
In fairness, I didn't get burned in it because I did have the walls up because I'm like,
okay, like obviously this is not like checking all the boxes.
But I was more so intrigued because it's,
extremely rare I ever go on a date with a girl and I want to go on another.
Pretty.
But this was an exception.
So I was like, I was like wondering why.
1 to 10, what was her, your sexual attractiveness to her?
8.
Compared to all the women you've been on a date with, not compared to the world.
8.
8.5.
What was the thing that was?
What did I like about her?
I would honestly say it was her personality.
I think she had a lot of the strengths where I find weaknesses.
and myself and I found that attractive.
She doesn't care at all,
like about being kind of like a public nuisance
and a little crazy and little of this and that.
More orderly, I would say.
So I found that attractive.
So you're doing the young Carl Jung thing.
Like we marry people to offset our weaknesses.
The introvert marries the extrovert.
So you have extrovert, more extroverted.
But realistically, a better lifelong partner
would be someone who shares my.
So in fairness, she said she did this
with her family, not with her family,
But, like, you know, kind of speak with her family, so it wasn't.
She's very similar to you.
Hmm.
Very common.
We often shadow date, meaning we date our shadow.
Super common.
Sometimes people, people always say, I'm attracted to my opposite.
I'm like, are you sure you're not shadow dating?
So very similar.
Likes money.
How could you tell that?
That's important to her.
Am I right?
No.
I don't.
Sure.
I think so.
Are you a successful man?
I am.
When a woman dates a successful man, she often cares about it.
I mean, rich guys are like, bro.
I'm like, did you meet her before or after you were making it?
But to me, she's the most frugal person.
But that doesn't, that actually means she loves money.
Oftentimes frugal people love money.
Your biggest obstacle with each other, she seems, you know, she has high vanity like you.
High authority.
Very similar traits and high self-sufficiency is that you're, you're kind of dating yourself.
Very common.
My cousin always dates himself.
And sometimes that can be good.
The main issue she has.
and will have, independent of you or not,
is she has 100 out of 100 anxiety.
So she's a classic overthinker.
Is that true?
Yeah.
This is a very tricky one.
And you have 78 out of 100 on anxiety.
Now, is this 100% true?
It's not the exact number.
The point is, on a spectrum,
she is in the high range of,
and when I say anxiety, it's not,
I'm worried every time.
Yeah.
But it's a little more neurotic.
It's a little more,
Oh, yeah, it's a little more high.
It's a little more can't sleep because it can't turn off.
It's a little more hard.
Does she ever sweat the small stuff?
Sometimes.
Yeah, that's anxiety.
Yeah.
All people become anxious when their house is on fire.
We don't call that anxious.
We call anxiety that I'm also worried about like just, you know,
it's like, I'm out of water.
And everything becomes a little bit elevated.
Is she a little bit that way?
Yes, I will say a confident.
Yes.
Yeah.
So it's fine.
I mean, look, women.
score one thing, big difference between the sexes.
See, she scores zero on psychopathy.
Not a psychopath at all.
She would not kill.
If an intruder came in, don't give her the gun.
Don't give her.
She might go, well, if I shoot him, he'll be hurt.
So I don't want to shoot him.
And you're like, that's the point.
He's a fucking intruder hurt him.
She's not out to hurt people.
She's a little bit tricky, though.
She got a little tricky side to her.
She's a little bit know how to say things to get her way.
That's what I would say.
Does she know how to get her way?
Sometimes.
Yeah.
What's her background?
In terms of what?
Culturally.
Culturally.
Well, same as Jack, just from.
She's white?
Yeah.
Not Asian?
No.
Does she know how to get her way?
I mean, yeah, I would say so.
I know you don't want to incriminate yourself too much.
I should ask it.
I think he doesn't want to incriminate himself either.
Well, this is me saying it, so I've been incriminating.
Right.
But I mean, this is not a tremendous red flag.
She does care.
about material things more than you think, I would say.
But I would not put her in the gold digger category.
She doesn't score full gold digger.
But she also doesn't score Mother Teresa monk who gave up her Ferrari.
Sure.
She's not the monk who'll give up the Ferrari.
She likes this house.
It's a good house.
This is a hell of a lot better more than most guys that show me their girlfriend.
And it's not about perfection.
There is no perfect score.
It's more about trade-offs,
meaning you are your, you're not a,
I would say, if this was my best friend saying,
I'm going to marry this girl,
I wouldn't have to have a heart-to-heart with him,
which I sometimes do.
I'm like, listen, my friend,
this chick is death and this is the green reaper.
So, no, I would say these are fine, just anxiety.
A lot of women have anxiety.
It is estrogen at work, man.
I read a book where a guy wanted to understand his wife,
so he took all this estrogen injections.
And he said, I was walking down the hall,
and I saw it at the corner of my eye,
some like puppy or something on TV.
And he's like, I started crying.
And I didn't know why I was crying.
And his wife turned to him and said,
now you know what it's like to be a woman.
And so women are built that way.
And society doesn't like to talk about it,
but fucking biology and society.
Biology is God and society is man-made.
So, you know, so it's fine.
I don't see crazy red flags put that way.
Appreciate it.
You like money a little bit more.
You do like this house a little bit more.
And you know what?
Yeah.
That's good because you would not like a woman who doesn't respect you at all for your ability to make money.
So that's what I said.
Sometimes people go, is this good or bad?
I'm more like, ah, you seem very similar.
Interesting.
So all of the good things of your long-term partnership will come out of your similar.
and all the conflicts will come out of our similarities.
And nobody's perfect.
All is all going to emanate.
You both will have a little bit of anxiety
and you will wig each other out sometimes.
You will freak each other out once.
When you're not operating in your best space,
when you haven't had enough sleep,
you'll freak each other out a little bit.
Thank you.
Ever happened?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Definitely.
I tell you, I can read.
One thing I'm cocky as fuck about,
I'm like, I don't think any person on earth
can read people better than me.
And if you can.
Jordan Peterson.
Oh, I don't think so.
I don't think so.
Jordan Peterson's a disciple of Dr. David Bus, my mentor.
But I've worked.
Now, that sounds cocky.
By the way, I listen to Jordan Peterson.
I don't think there's an omnipotent person,
but I'm cocky enough.
We put a million dollars down.
I will read a cold room versus anybody,
even my mentor, Dr. Bus.
Sometimes the student becomes greater than the teacher.
In fact, the great teacher always makes the student better or the guru.
So anybody I train, I want everybody that I teach.
That's why I'm so excited.
about this one guy was within Europe.
Like, bro, you're making more money than me.
The guru is working.
I have many people.
I was just with a guy yesterday last night, that one dude.
I met him, gave him some advice in France, and he flew here.
I don't know if you knew one of the speakers, but he's right before you at the dinner.
He was like, you told me one thing in five minutes.
I made an extra 400 grand this month.
Net, not.
I mean, it's like I've helped a lot of people make money.
My point, the reason I say I'm the best.
is just because I actually think I am because Dr. Peterson is slightly different than me.
I don't know that he reads people as his prime interest one-on-one.
He was an actual clinical, you know, I think psychologist.
I'm not a therapist.
I'm not good at fixing people. I'm not interested in fixing people.
I haven't built the credentials, interest.
You know, Dr. Buss says,
Ty, you're the best guy on earth that doesn't have a PhD.
Dr. Bust is talking about himself.
But I have a lot of data.
I have a lot of social media followers
and I have an interest in a pinpoint thing.
I couldn't, Dr.
Buss, Jordan Peterson would be much better at maybe trying to fix you
because I often tell people what you're most sure of
is always the thing you're the most wrong about.
Or as Frederick Nietzsche said,
convictions are greater enemies of the truth than lies.
Be careful of what you're convicted on.
A lot of people have convictions.
America's like, I know you'll be president.
I'm like, bro, you can't even fit.
You're on life's in shambles.
You know how America should be run.
You know how to run a $20 trillion GDP.
You got all the answers.
I'm like, bro, you're life's in shambles.
Where do you get this fucking confidence?
I'm like, you need less convictions.
Convictions are greater enemies of the truth.
In fact, my first YouTube video ever when I launched my channel, I think 2013 or 14,
I was in London and I was in the back of a taxi and I said,
I'm not even going to use words.
The root of all evil in history is
and not going
hmm
so when someone
challenges your conviction
and your first answer
you're wrong
that's the root of all evil
people told Hitler
nah don't do it
and it was like
hmm
and you know people
what was it dread scott
the Supreme Court
is like black people
are two thirds of white people
or whatever
it was like a strut
it was literally
a gavel goes
it's report
and it's like
the root of all evil
is strong convictions by people who don't know,
who don't have the expertise.
And even then,
people with 30,000 hours of expertise make mistakes.
So imagine having one hour of expertise.
I tell people stuff,
I'm like,
bro,
you have one hour of expertise.
We all have the dude who's out of shape
who is on YouTube videos criticizing,
oh,
you're going to take steroids.
I'm like,
bro,
you fucking know nothing about fitness.
You just got to shut up on those subjects,
you know?
I talk.
sometimes people say but tie you have a lot of conviction on all the stuff i always steer the conversations
into things that i have a lot of guru teachers or i try to have you asked me stuff outside of my
skill set i try to shut the fuck up i probably overstep sometimes but it's a dangerous skill to
have what like people ask me who should be president i'm like i it's not my area of expertise man
Biden seems to be horrific trump you know i'm not gun i don't have a
super strong conviction on that. It's not my thing. I don't have a guru who studied presidential. I've
read a few, but I don't have enough political savvy, you know. I'm a health, wealth, love happiness guy.
I'm just like, put your head down, focus on your own thing. I can give you a lot of advice on your thing
and reading per people. Follow this thing on your destiny or strength. It will change your life forever.
It'll in fact be the compass for your life. Now that you know you're a mastery guy. And by the way,
the reason you're not so interested in mating is because it's much lower in your unconscious mind the danger though
when i say mating is lower for you it shouldn't be low it can't be a one or you just disappear you know
you have good genes you have a mind you have this this is important like ilan muza is like
underpopulation is the real threat to humanity or what i i think that's i don't know if i agree
with that i would say the enemy of humanity
is the wrong people having a lot of kids.
You know, Johan Sebastian Bach,
the greatest musician of all the time,
had, I think, 20 children.
That didn't hurt the world.
It's like six of them became the greatest musicians
alongside their father.
I'm like, every Johann Sebastian Bach
should be having kids.
Now, you go, I grew up kind of in the ghetto, Long Beach, Compton.
There's people in there.
It's like, both parents are alcoholics.
They're fucking have tremendous levels of schizophrenia
or psychopathy.
Maybe they should have one.
kid only you know but i'm like now people don't like this conversation because it sounds like eugenics
yeah but i'm not talking about sterilizing people i'm just talking about common sense i'm like bro you
may not want to have 20 kids you're fucking come from seven generations of but i didn't say they
can't have kids my i'm more about how come like i live in sweden as like a very wonderful place
and and they have no kids it's like that they're not even having you got to have two kids to keep
population maintained and they're having like 1.8 and I'm going you guys got resources it's
relatively functional society you guys should be having four kids and then there's places in the
world they can't even feed the second kid they have you they need to slow down and do what
you're saying build themselves I think sometimes you just get fulfilled through other means
besides raising a family and it for for some of these people having 1.8 it could be well I have a
great career I have a great friend group we don't need to have more kids you know one is fine
None is fine.
Phil Salton said nature laughs last.
Nature's already laughing at Sweden.
I love Sweden.
I love Denmark.
It's already getting to be a problem.
I don't know, man.
That's like saying, I meet people at say,
I only need five hours of sleep because I'm an evolved creature.
I'm like, nature, everybody needs 150 minutes of deep sleep almost.
You need eight hours.
Bullshit.
And then found a person that can live off four hours.
It's like one out of a billion.
So I don't think, don't fight, neat, don't fight the Fed, don't fight jeans.
Jeans wants you to have kids.
The second you have a kid, Graham, you're going to send me an ice coffee hour to say.
You don't, I don't even have to say I was right.
Yeah.
Because that's not in your jeans.
You could just say, maybe you were on to something.
Okay.
That's all I want.
All right.
Don't try to get a mastery guy to say you are right.
That ain't in the jeans.
Who says they're wrong more?
Between Graham and I?
Yeah.
I would say so.
I will take accountability.
for when I'm wrong?
Graham apologize often?
No.
Never.
There's nothing to apologize, right?
Like, if we get in a disagreement.
He's not kidding.
That's the crazy thing.
He's not kidding.
And he'll say he's kidding.
But he's not.
I swear to apologize for having a different viewpoint.
Well, sometimes this will be like,
you know,
it's right or wrong.
I don't think it's something needing
an apology.
It's, you know what's insane?
I heard this thing.
Who was it?
I think it was Mark Manson who says
there's a difference between
fault and responsibility.
Yeah.
I'm very much a responsibility
oriented person. Like there's an issue. It doesn't even matter. Let's just solve it.
Graham is 100,000. Oh, who's fault?
Yes. Yes. Yes. He must identify.
Any way possible. Even if it's 60% his fault. Yes. No, it's 95% mine. It's crazy.
Is your, what's your girlfriend like? What ratio? Fiancé. Fiance, sorry. What would you say,
Jack? What is she like as far as like fault or responsibility? Similar or I would
I don't, I don't know. I, I haven't observed that. So I don't want to speak.
What do you think?
I think we're pretty similar.
I believe that.
Yeah.
People shadow date.
It's crazy.
People really date themselves.
There's a thing called the arm length study.
People often marry people have similar arm links.
Hmm.
You can Google it.
There's a lot of this assortative, associative mating concept of we.
It's a dangerous thing, too.
You got to be, it cuts both ways.
If you marry yourself, you get some pros, you get some downs.
You don't get any offsetting.
So these are complicated.
We'll have to do a third episode for this because it's a complicated.
I could go on for hours.
We could just bring her on the pod.
Crazy fun.
That would be fun.
I'm glad it's interesting.
Yeah.
If I didn't have to go to the airport, I'd stay for another hour.
We would film.
On Clubhouse, I once was like, I'm going to set a record.
I think I did a nine-hour clubhouse.
And it did really well.
It grew.
It was crazy.
We would do a nine-hour podcast.
Without exaggeration.
You were the easiest person we've ever filmed with.
Really?
Yeah, I would consider flying to you.
I would consider doing it.
Yeah.
So what makes somebody easy?
So you think of the easiest?
Yes, because you speak very well.
It's really stimulating for me.
I feel like I'm learning every single thing that you say.
I'm taking away something from it.
I feel like you're very insightful.
You have a lot of experience in areas that we don't have.
I say you go a mile wide and a mile deep.
Whereas a lot of people, they just go a mile wide or they go a mile deep.
You do both.
You're captivating with.
stories. Patrick Bet David is the only other person that could tell a story and keep me hooked
the entire time. You're really good with stories. I needed to. Pat was one of the first guys.
I had him when he's starting out on my podcast. He wants me to come on the podcast. Do it.
Yeah. I texted him the other day. He was out of town. Are you guys friends? Yeah. We just had him on
like a couple weeks ago. Yeah. Especially if you're going to be in the area with fresh and fit. He's like
he's like an hour away. Yeah. Yeah. It would be worth it. You would have an emailing me for like two
years but I just hibernated my brand so I said let me come out of the hibernation and I'll come on
your show you would you would really enjoy it yeah I've watched he's growing very well he's kind of he's
kind of he's kind of he's kind of he's kind of he's kind of he's kind of he's kind of you
yeah yeah yeah but he could talk to you about business and human psychology but he likes his
a good amount of its personal development as well yeah so you can get in there but he likes the
political thing I think
think he does.
Politics also goes viral.
It's a good way to go viral.
Some of the stuff I talk about.
You know what?
It's also more conservative, traditional values.
Yes.
That is what I think his strength is.
Yeah, he's kind of going.
He's a little bit Ben Shapiro like.
Yes.
They're in the similar.
Yeah, they're smart guys.
They build this media.
I'm building my own kind of media.
I call it the syndicate.
They have like Daily Wire, which is Jordan Peterson.
I think Candice Owen maybe is in there, Ben Shapiro.
Yep.
Michael Knowles.
And I think Pat, Patrick.
is doing something similar.
He has other people, but he is definitely the face of it.
But that's kind of how Shapiro was for a long time with DailyWare.
Until you find your Jordan Peterson.
That's a very correct.
Gordon Peterson is a very captivating guy.
I agree with a lot of him,
but there's some things that I just really don't agree with.
But he would say the same.
I'm sure if he's ever heard me.
Pat's advice for me,
because I gave Pat the same sort of question I gave you.
His was find a religion.
It doesn't have to be anything about it.
Just find something that you could follow.
And so I did one of those,
What is your religion quizzes right afterwards?
And I came up with Buddhism.
I would disagree with that.
I'd agree with the spirit,
but I don't think that's you.
First off, religiosity is genetic.
Are you a highly religious person?
Was your mom and dad very religious?
Not really, no.
You didn't get the religious gene.
People, I mean, I know people are going to flip the fuck out when they think.
It's funny to me that people agree, like how you love.
look, your eyeballs, your IQ.
It's all genetic.
But no, no, no, no.
Religious is totally a choice.
And people go, well, the reason Christians, you know, I'm a good Christian parents.
So I made all my kids became Christian.
Now they inherited your fucking genes.
I don't think the religious path is yours.
I think you do have a religion.
It's the belief in the mastery.
You're a mastery guy.
And in that, I do agree with Patrick that you must find your destiny.
That I agree.
And you must find the gurus.
The gurus.
and to the extent you find that,
you'll also be better at your natural strength,
which is being superior authority.
But make sure you got that backing
because, like, people disagree with me.
I'm like, on the things that I talked about this,
I'm like, I will come.
If somebody wanted to debate me, I'm like, let's debate.
These are things that I have deep domain expertise.
Before we go, I got one more question.
Could you give me two really quick,
but some of the most profound life lessons
that you've ever learned from Dr. David Buss
and Joel Salatin, just like one from each.
Ty, don't forget the power of status.
It's more powerful than money.
That's Dr. Bus.
I had a whole theory when I met Dr. Bus about what women are attracted to.
12 things.
The female algorithm calculates.
And he met me after I got off stage and said,
you forgot about status.
Status beats everything.
Height.
Men talk about being six, six, you know the six, six six rule.
You make six figures, six inch dick.
six foot tall unless you have status and then your Justin Bieber ain't six foot.
Now he doesn't make six figures and all that.
I don't know about the rest.
But status.
Joel Salatin told me, I told you one of them.
I won't say that one again.
Well, he didn't tell me this, but he showed me I overslept.
I was supposed to meet him at 4.30 in the morning to help him with the cows.
And I overslept.
So he was a man who just proceeded.
to do it because it needed to be done at 4.30 and I wasn't there. And one of the cows
broke his ribs, hit him, was aggressive cow. And he came with broken ribs and kicked the door
off the hinges. I used to sleep in a back cabin. And he's like, don't ever over sleep. And
that's the last time I ever overslept. So sometimes you not only need a guru, you need a boot camp.
You need to kick in the ass somebody that you fear a little bit. He was a big strong guy.
And that's the last time since 19 that I ever overslept. Now I set three alarms.
when you're tasked to do something,
show up.
So everybody,
a lot of people
in life playing video games.
You need some mean mofo
to kick the door off the hinges
and scare the shit out of you
and then all of a sudden
you start living out your destiny.
Love it.
Well, thank you so much
for coming on the podcast, Ty.
It's been insane
and we're so appreciative to have you here.
I could easily go to the three.
We'll do a part three.
We'll do a part three.
Go to Tyleropiz.com, by the way,
slash quiz.
I got the new one.
It'll tell you what you should do
for a living.
It's going to tell you.
Thank you.
We're going to try it.
Thank you.
Oh, could you really quick just look at this camera?
