The Iced Coffee Hour - The Most Recogizable Voice In History | EG Daily

Episode Date: July 16, 2023

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Starting point is 00:00:00 So here is your chance to meet one of the most recognizable voices of all time, E.G. Daily. No. Oh, I don't know about that, Chuckie. That's so cool. With characters like Rugrats, Tommy Pickles, the Powerpuff girls, Curious George, and many, many more. Men, men, men, men, menly men. Chances are, if you're between the ages of 18 and 40, you know exactly who I'm talking about. Today we're breaking down exactly how she built her empire, the very dark realities of
Starting point is 00:00:25 working in the entertainment industry, and exactly how much money she made per episode. as soon as you subscribe. And hit the like button. Don't forget that, Jack. But first, we got to thank today's sponsor, Delete Me. We have to talk about something that's increasingly more and more important in today's digital age, and that would be data privacy. We all know by now that our personal information is being bought and sold online by data brokers,
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Starting point is 00:01:44 This doesn't happen often. What was it that you wanted to do this interview with me about? Like which particular thing was it? Well, I think everything. But for me, it was so full circle because I grew up on Rugrats. Like as a kid, like nonstop reruns. Like my parents would hear the theme song over and over and over again. I saw the Rugrats movie.
Starting point is 00:02:05 Yeah. And so I didn't tell my mom would get a kick out of this, but I didn't tell her that I was doing this with you because I was just like afraid. I'm afraid of jinxing things. I'm like, well, what if like, you know, because of the rain, like people don't show up or have to reschedule. Like if something were to come up, I don't want to get my hopes up. Your mom would freak out too.
Starting point is 00:02:22 She would lose it. Like absolutely lose it. But you did so many voices, I think, for like, my entire generation grew up hearing you. So it's just weird to like be here across the table from you. Don't come too close. It's mind blowing. There's a line right here. All right.
Starting point is 00:02:41 I'll keep my distance. I promise. He's been looking forward to this for a very, very long time. I'll behave. I first really found your content separate from like Rugrats and everything on TikTok. I think through the pandemic. I saw you and your daughter posting videos together. I'm like, wow, this is so cool.
Starting point is 00:02:56 daughters, so we would do them together. Yeah, I think it was Hunter. Yeah, Hunter Daily, yeah. And so that's how I started following you on like, just separate from everything else. I think you have a really cool story to tell about how you got into voice acting. If you could go into a little bit about your background, like how you got started in that and like growing up to begin with. I didn't really come from a family that knew anything about entertainment. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:03:17 Like I wasn't like I didn't have an uncle or cousin who was like a big director. I didn't have any nepotism. There was no connection to anything. anything in Hollywood, but my family, all I knew was that my mom was really loved the whole Hollywood thing because she was like an immigrant. So she had no connection to it, but she had this thing where she just loved it. You know, she loved music and she loved. So I think starting off, like I, I think I always thought, like, how am I going to do this? Like, I really didn't know how I was going to do it. I think she sort of saw that I had certain things about me that might have
Starting point is 00:03:50 been, like, magical. I think my mom saw the magical part of me. And, um, and, and, and, and, and, and, And I don't know how it happened. Just like one thing led to the next. And then I like, as a little girl, I got an agent. And then I just sort of allowed things to sort of flow. You know, things just started flowing. So I really have to say like I look back in my career and I just go, wow, I can't believe I've done all this work.
Starting point is 00:04:11 And sometimes it feels like I haven't done any work because I'm like I can't. So much time goes by and I'm like, wow, I can't believe I did that. And I did Saturday Night Live and I did American Bandstand. I did regrats. I did power of girls. I did, you know what I mean? Yeah. And I just think I just keep walking forward.
Starting point is 00:04:25 And then new opportunities. coming. And I try not to grab too hard onto one of the past things because if I grabbed too hard to the past things, then I won't see what's up in front of me. Like sometimes it'll be so stuck on something that I did that I want to keep doing. And then sometimes these magical things, like voiceover just happened. It's just like I did a play and someone said, you could do this. So if I were just looking back all the time, it's like, no, I'm an actress. I'm a singer. And I wouldn't have been open to this opportunity that came up. So I don't know how to say it started. It just started like random. What was magical as a kid? Like, what were some of the
Starting point is 00:04:56 things that they looked at and said like, ah, it's not normal. Like, there's maybe some talent here. I think I was just really good at singing and, um, dancing. Like, just innately, I think I had that. And I started writing songs as a little girl. Like, I literally picked up a little guitar book when I was eight or nine and taught myself to play guitar. And we didn't have YouTube. So I taught myself, I started singing and watching singers and mimicking singers. And then I started taking lessons. I was good at it. I mean, I was just, I could do it. I could do like, I could imitate sounds.
Starting point is 00:05:29 I could imitate voices. Do you think it's just like a biological difference in you that most people don't have where you can mimic voices? Or do you think it was something that kind of just like fostered over time after lots of practice? I think like some people have this weird ear and they can mimic and imitate sounds and some people have no idea how to do it. And I think because I sing, I can hear like someone say something like,
Starting point is 00:05:50 hey, what are you doing? And then they can say, can you sound like that boy? to be like, hey, what are you doing? And I could do it exactly like that. Like two and a half men, you know, the thing is. So, you know, I do that. Yep. So that was one of those things where they were like, can you take Jake's voice?
Starting point is 00:06:04 And then can you sing like you were him? Because we need the singer for the opening of two and a half men. And he doesn't sing. So we need somebody that sort of sounds like him. So I was like, okay, send me a recording of his voice. And he was just like, Cheryl, what are you talking about? You know, he sort of talks like that when he was a little kid. And he was sort chubby and he sort of was like, talk slow.
Starting point is 00:06:22 And then all the thing like, can you sing like him? So I'd go, you know, men, men, men, men, menly men. So it's like, I think I just have the ear for it. Just like you might be really good at real estate. Inately. Like there are certain things we have innately. Some people are really good at organizing. Like my other assistant, she can literally, I can put her to a closet with like tons of vitamins and things in boxes.
Starting point is 00:06:47 And I can come back in like 20 minutes and everything is beautifully lined up. I can't do that. But I just think everybody has their little magical things. And I think my magical thing was limitless when it came to my voice, like literally limeless. I could do like any kind of voice, any kind of age range. Like I do age ranges and little kids, little girls, little boys, chubby kids. Yeah. Genius kids, smirk voice, you know, whatever it is.
Starting point is 00:07:14 You know what I mean? Yeah. Little tiny girls, little baby girls. Babies. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? It's just like it's infinity. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:22 Right. On top of that, I really applied myself to being really good at those things. So I didn't just rely on my innate talent. I relied on, I studied. Like I was, my game was like, be as good as I could. And that meant every aspect of it. I meant like, be great, know how to play guitar. So I taught myself. Know how to write music. So I'd listen to great writers. I just studied. I studied a lot. And I see a combination between what I actually could do as a gift and then what I, how, how. much I applied myself, I was relentless. How did your parents foster that growth? Because it seems like they were very supportive and nurturing of letting you explore that
Starting point is 00:08:01 and get really good at that. They didn't do music. They didn't do like instruments. They owned a fencing company. They built fences and window grills, you know. And so I think what she'd do was she'd go to thrift stores and yard sales and flea markets and she'd pick up instruments. And she'd see like some weird instruments
Starting point is 00:08:20 and she'd throw it in the house. And one of the five kids would pick it up and start playing it. And I sort of did all of it. I was the one that would pick up trying to sing, pick up trying to play that instrument. So I could play like a little harmonica, a little drums, little guitar, a little piano, you know what I mean? I picked them all up. And my brothers and sisters all did too, but just more limited.
Starting point is 00:08:40 Even my brothers and sisters will say that when I was born, it's almost like she was like, this is my little, this is going to be, you know, which also put a lot of pressure on me, to be honest. Like I felt it, but I really do feel like I felt it from my mom. Whatever that was that she saw was, I think, what gave me a little push and also made me be a little sensitive to other people wanting. That's where my people pleaser comes in. I want everybody to feel special. Did your parents ever put any pressure on you to go for more of like a normal career or like we want you to be a doctor or a lawyer?
Starting point is 00:09:13 They want you to. I think like because they came with from nothing. Yeah. What I did was miraculous to them. You know, I don't think they had any expectations of any of us and of any of the five kids in my family. Like my sister is a brilliant painter. She goes by Ren River and she's a brilliant painter. She's like a master painter.
Starting point is 00:09:31 And she's sold paintings all over and she's been in magazines. And I don't think they could have ever expected that. Do you think that some of that is because growing up in Venice, that that is a very eclectic culture of people where I think creativity is really rewarded? They weren't really, I don't think they knew what Venice was either. I think back then there was even that kind of culture about it. There was just, that's where they landed when they came here and they could get one room that they could all fit into. So I don't think they had any concept of the Venice culture yet
Starting point is 00:09:59 because Venice culture is so different back then. Yeah, it was very different back then. And they've been here like, I don't know, 40, 50 years. Wow. Yeah. So when did you first get into voice acting? You kind of alluded to it in the beginning. Did you initially try to become a voice actor?
Starting point is 00:10:13 Was it like different types of acting? And when did you secure your first agent? So I was just an actress. You know, I started getting an agent when I was a kid. Like I had commercial agents when I was eight. And was that you that initiated that whole process? No. My mom got me an agent. And I had a best friend who was like a child model, my friend Michelle.
Starting point is 00:10:32 And she was like this beautiful little girl and she had a commercial agent. And so my mom was like, let's get you a commercial agent. So I hated it. I thought it was like awful because you had to be really fake pretty much. She was like, hi, my name's Michelle. I was so-and-so agency. And I was just like, I can't do that. Do you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:10:50 And it felt really like contrived to me. But she still got me to say, and I went on these commercial auditions. And I didn't understand why I never booked any of them. I just thought, okay, I guess you just go on these auditions. And you don't book them, you just go on them. And then I think it wasn't until I was like 15. After like I got when I was eight, and when I was 15,
Starting point is 00:11:10 I got my first job. Like 15 was like a guest star on a Laverne and Shirley episode. My mom sort of started me and there was finish your question. But you were in commercials between the ages of 8 and 15. I didn't really. I did one, let me think. I did one commercial. I think when I was 14 for a Pepsi Cola commercial, it was like a national commercial.
Starting point is 00:11:29 I don't know how I booked it, but I did one commercial. And then I booked Vern Shirley and then I guest started on like fame and then I guess start on chips and Bay City Blues. And then that was my, I started working, you know, in acting when I was about 15, 16. But how is your agent sustaining themselves over? Oh, it was different agents. I'm wondering like, if it's six years, they don't get a single booking for their client. Yeah, I didn't have, I didn't get any work that all the time. I don't even know how I ended up booking what it, how, when I switched agents.
Starting point is 00:11:58 Because I was just a kid. Yeah. The Pepsi Cola commercial I should have never got because they were like, can you, I was very ethnically ambiguous looking, you know, I think probably because I had more my brown hair. It was kind of my Jufro hair and, you know, wild and, you know, hippie looking. And I think they said, go to this Pepsi coal commercial, and they were like, can you sail a catamaran? Can you get out?
Starting point is 00:12:19 Do you not be on a catamaran? And I was like, yes, because if they said, just say yes to everything. And I said, yes, I can. And then I think because of my ambiguous look, they like that. They like that ethnically ambiguous. I got it. And then I was like sitting on a beach and they're like, okay, you're going to go in. And I was like, holy shit, I have to go on.
Starting point is 00:12:39 So I didn't know what I was doing. I should have never probably booked that. But I did. And I had to drink a lot of Diet, a lot of Coke. And it was... Coke or Pepsi? I was Pepsi. Sorry. It was.
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Starting point is 00:13:50 Streamyard. We love you. And back to the episode. Right after I got out of high school, like everybody was going to colleges. Yeah. And then where it said my name, there was no college. I wasn't going to go to college. My parents were not those parents that were like, you go to college, you become a doctor, you go to college. Again, they had no expectations. Were you academic? No, not at all. I'm a terrible speller right now, even today I'm embarrassed. Like, I mean, I write something. I have to have somebody proof for you because I'm terrible at it.
Starting point is 00:14:14 But I think there were no expectations, yeah. So I didn't go to college. I just knew that I was going to start working. And that was maybe the magic my mom saw. She saw that part of me that was like, I'm going to make this happen. You're paving your own road. I paved my own road. And just out of curiosity with this Pepsi Cola commercial, I'm wondering like,
Starting point is 00:14:30 how long did it take? Like, do you just show up to the beach? It was a full day shoot? I think it was one or two days. Wow. And do you remember how much they paid for it? I don't. I really don't.
Starting point is 00:14:41 Because I'm thinking like Pepsi, they probably got a pretty size of the budget. It was a national Pepsi commercial. Do you get royalties on that? I'm pretty sure I did back then. Wow. They stopped airing it though? Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:53 Otherwise it had been like back in the old end of Texas. I could call it. How were you supporting yourself after high school? It's a big jump not to go to school and to go out and like begin working. I think it was those few jobs I started getting. I mean, I had a couple recurring things. on fame, and then I did Bay City Blues, some TV show, and then I did
Starting point is 00:15:14 chips. Then I did, I started working, like, booking little guest stars and things. And then I started booking features, like I did this one feature called The Escape Artist, I think, and that was a Francis Ford Coppola film with Riffin O'Neill and Desiornes
Starting point is 00:15:30 Sr. and all these really classic people that were in it. Then I booked that movie, and somehow I became, I don't even know how that happened. I went from never booking a job to like all of a sudden there were castings of like we're looking for an Elizabeth Daily type and I'd be like I'm right here you know and then I was wondering why they would just call me they were looking for a type like me why wouldn't they call you directly sometimes I thought they
Starting point is 00:15:55 I think they didn't think I would be available oh wow that happens a lot really weird um yeah so wow I just I started earning my own money and it was sustainable immediately outside of high school For some reason it was. I don't, because I didn't, I had like, like at 15, I worked in an ice cream parlor, but I only worked there because they were cute boys. And I was like, oh, that's cute boys here. That was the only reason why I got that job. Did you end up making one of the cute boys your boyfriend?
Starting point is 00:16:27 Probably. I don't know. Maybe. That sort of was my thing. That was the guiding light for me. It was like, where is it? That's funny. Yeah, it was boy crazy.
Starting point is 00:16:38 Yeah. So still am, I think. Anyway, man crazy. Anyway, yeah, so that's it. And how did that progress? Because I think you were not really doing any voice acting at that point. So how did that then transition into voice acting? So I was starting to do a lot of movies, right? If you look at my IMDB page, there's like a lot of wacky, interesting movies, a lot of them. All of a sudden I get a call from a guy named Bruce, who was a friend of mine that I'd known, who's a producer. And he said, oh, we have this play that was on Broadway called Tansy, and it starred Deborah Harry on Broadway. It was a musical. And it was about a female wrestler.
Starting point is 00:17:17 You have to be able to sing, you have to be physically fit. So that's right up my alley. I wasn't always working out, and I'm a singer. And, you know, and it's a musical, so I love that. And so I said, I'll do it. And opening night at the Roxy, a lot of record labels came, so I got a major record deal from it. I was just singing like a couple songs in the play, but I got a massive record deal on A&M.
Starting point is 00:17:40 And some guy came in hand me this card and said, you should really do voiceover. You really get at it. Because in the play, I had to be a female wrestler, but each round of the wrestling, I had to be a different age. So I had to go from being a baby, a baby in the first round.
Starting point is 00:17:54 Like they put me in a baby dress and a big diaper and with a thing on my head and a rattle. And I was like, ha, ha, ha, ha. And I just was a baby girl. And then I had to be like, Hi, I'm Tammy, a five-year-old girl. And then I had to be a 10-year-old to talk like this. And then I had to be a 16-year-old,
Starting point is 00:18:10 and then I had to be a grown-up. So I had to age myself. And he saw that. And he was like, wow, you're really good at these voices. And you're really good at children's voices. Again, this was that weird gift that I had that I could imitate and mimic. And then so this guy handed me a card opening night,
Starting point is 00:18:26 and he said, I'm a voice agent. You should really pursue this. And I was kind of like, who. I was like, I'm not a cartoon. I never thought, like, I'm going to be a famous cartoon one day. but I did call him because I talk about offshoots when I I talk about a thing called offshoots where like you get a tap on that you're going this way yeah and you're very clear and then you get a tap on the shoulder like you should try this here and I'm like oh no no no I don't do that I only do this but I was like I really believe that part of reason why my career has been so phenomenal with so many different I've done so many different types of things between music and acting and movies and cartoons is because I listen to the a little tap on the shoulder, which is like, I think, the God voice. And it was like, you should come see me at this office and try this voice thing. And first of all, I was like, really want to do
Starting point is 00:19:17 a card, you know, voices. But I did go to his office one day, and I did go on my first audition with this agent. And my first audition, I booked. And that was Tommy Pickles on Regrats, at which we can't change my life. Yeah. Changed the trajectory of my whole, like, all of a sudden I started getting all these cartoons and I was like, Huey Doey Louie and Love Off Girls and Jungle Cubs and Rugrats and like my whole career. And not only was that perfect, but I was having babies during that time, right? So I was able to be pregnant and work the whole time. There's like Rugrat episode with me in labor during Rugrats.
Starting point is 00:19:54 I'd be like, oh, I don't know about that Chuckie. Oh, please. And I'd be like, no. No. What? Okay, I'm better. Let's go. Yeah, and then I'd do it again.
Starting point is 00:20:03 Oh my gosh. So they actually have me in labor on my regrets. Okay, well, we'll get to that in a second. But what made you... That's how my career. Is that what you started? Sometimes I go on tangency. No, it's true.
Starting point is 00:20:14 You just have to reel me back to the point. What made you say yes to that? Because you seemed very focused on going one direction. What made that different that day? To the cartoon? Yeah. I think he was so clear that I had a real gift with the thing. Again, there's that gift thing.
Starting point is 00:20:28 He goes, I think you're really good at this. Like, your ability to do children's voices and... and age your voice up was really good. That's what he said. And I was kind of like, you know, to me it was like, and I always say it's like people flipping their eyelids over. They don't realize it's a weird gift or that weird double-jointed thing. People like this and their joints are popping.
Starting point is 00:20:49 Oh, yeah. Not really. That's really. Yeah, I can't really. Yeah. I think it was just he saw in me the ability to mimic and sound so much like a kid that he was like, you should really pursue this. And I trusted, yeah, trust him.
Starting point is 00:21:09 I just said, okay, I'll go on an audition with you, and I just went with it. And it was like, it was one of those yeses that I think changed my life. Now, you mentioned offshoots. Yeah. How do you know when to say no? Because you can't just say yes to everything
Starting point is 00:21:21 and then you're just overloaded, but how do you make that distinction? It's a really tricky line. Like, it really is. So it's just a gut feeling? Is it usually something you have to think about or is it kind of just like, okay, I know what my answer is?
Starting point is 00:21:32 Sometimes it's like, hell yeah, in my body. Like, oh, hell yeah, that feels good. But, like, the voiceover thing wasn't a hell no, but it was like there was some uncertainty, but there was curiosity. So I sort of said, maybe I'll check it out. Yeah. You know, it's curious.
Starting point is 00:21:47 What was that like auditioning for Rugrats? You had no idea what it was at the time. So what was that process like? What did they have you do? I went to this little Nickelodeon recording thing, and it was my first audition. I almost didn't go because I was having my car bit replaced in my condo that day.
Starting point is 00:22:03 So I almost was like, eh, they're changing the carpet in my place. I'll get you on the next one. And he was like, I think you should go in, you know, go ahead and try it.
Starting point is 00:22:13 And this agent was a little pushier. Yeah. And he said, no, I think you should try it. And I was like, no, I'll get you on the next one. And he was just enough pushy
Starting point is 00:22:23 that I was like, okay, guys, I'm just going to the corner. I'll be right back. I just told the guys that were working for me, like,
Starting point is 00:22:31 basically don't rob for me, I'll be right back. I'm coming back in 10 minutes, but really, it was like an hour. Sure. And I just, and I just ran there, and I just read this audition, and I had no idea what I was doing because I'd never done a cartoon, but I just read the lines as a character that, I think as a little girl, I always did, like, little baby voices, and I thought, that picture, they showed me a claimation. I was like, that, that clamation, like the mouth on that clamation looks like the voice I've been
Starting point is 00:23:00 doing my whole life, which was like. like, oh, Michelle, let's go. Let's go get ourselves a snack. What do you say? You know what I mean? And, you know, and I just looked at it and I thought the way his mouth was and the way my mouth sounds and just something about it. And I did that voice.
Starting point is 00:23:16 And then I was like, I can't be here very long. I got to go. And they were like, okay, we're almost, and I was the first person. So they kept making me wait. They kept sending producers in. And I was just like, I got to go. And then I was completely ignorance as bliss. I had no one to.
Starting point is 00:23:31 And there were people waiting to read after me, but they kept bringing new producers in, like, in the booth. And I was watching more and more people come in. Because I guess they were just like, she's it. And I didn't know that. And I got home, and my agent con said, they really love you for that show. And to be honest, I was actually replacement because then another girl who did Tommy Pickles. And I had to come in, they decided it wasn't the right voice. And I had to come in and re-dub all of her voice for an entire season.
Starting point is 00:23:56 And then I booked it, and that was like, you know. No, did they have you audition for other characters like Chucky or it was just Tommy Pickles? Did they have everyone else already locked in on the other voices? Yeah, because they already done a whole season. Oh, that's right. With the girl that wasn't. So they did the entire season but didn't like the way Tommy Pickles' voice sounded.
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Starting point is 00:24:55 Or like, what were your first thoughts going into it? I had zero. Remember, I was getting carpet, Put in my comedy. That's all I was thinking about. But what about when they say you got it? Like, this is yours if you want it. I was like, really?
Starting point is 00:25:07 I really was just like, every time I book a voice cartoon, every time. And I started booking everyone. I'd read for it. I'd book it. I'd read another one. I'd book it. I was literally doing eight seasons a week. I was doing eight different shows all week long.
Starting point is 00:25:23 Like I'd go from her jungle cups to Rugrats, to a Barberuff Girls, to a, I was literally going day to day to a, do a different series on a different network. It was a lot of work. Is there any, like, conflict of interest? Like, does Power Popper girls not want you being a voice on something else? That's what you would think. You would, like, sign an exclusive.
Starting point is 00:25:39 Just like, no? No, because I'm doing that voice for them, and I'm doing Tommy for somebody else. Nobody can own you in voiceover. Really? I feel like the producers would smarten up because they would want, like, just, because you're so good at what you do,
Starting point is 00:25:55 that just, like, we want her. And that's it. No one else. Because I'm infinity. I'm, I do an infinity amount of voices. So how could they prison me in one place when I, I'm like water. Yeah. I'll go everywhere.
Starting point is 00:26:10 Sure. You can't just put me, you know, you can't just say water to say here. I mean, I'm going to go everywhere. Yeah. Do you know what I do. So how did it work when you were filming? Would they have you go into the office? For regress?
Starting point is 00:26:21 Yeah, for regress. They would have the babies go in together. So like, Chuckie, Phil, Lil, Tommy would all be together and do our voices. And then like Angelica would go in on her own usually. Because they would have the babies, because we did so many of our lines together. So we'd have us together.
Starting point is 00:26:39 So when we first started doing regrats, it would take a lot longer. It would take like six hours sessions. Nowadays you never take that long. I go in and I do four episodes in one hour, and two hours, one to two hours, all by myself. Because I'm not waiting for everybody to get their lines right. I'm just doing my lines.
Starting point is 00:26:55 So you could get through an entire, like, season or... Pretty quick. Wow. Yeah, pretty quick. And how does pay work with voiceover acting versus being like physically on screen? I mean, right. Like voice over acting is like usually when people start doing a show.
Starting point is 00:27:14 It's like a scale rate. Sure. It's pretty much the same with on camera. Like you'll get a scale rate. I don't know what scale is for on camera, but it's it's probably similar for a full day. Whereas you go and do a voiceover and it could take you 10 minutes. You'll make the same 12, 100. or whatever the scale rate is, if it's sag, as you might for a full day on the set.
Starting point is 00:27:34 So it's kind of pretty lucrative when you do voiceover because you have so much time. Right. But then when you have a show that becomes a hit, the money starts growing. So let's see you have a show that goes for six years. Like Rugrats didn't start raising their money until maybe six years in. And then they were like, our show is pretty popular. We're going to raise the amount you guys are getting. So now you're going to get double scale or you're going to get triple scale.
Starting point is 00:27:58 And it would jump from like this amount to like all of a sudden around season nine, ten. It would go from like, oh, you're making two grand, three grand to like 30 grand or some crazy amount. Yeah. So you could. Per episode? Yeah, you could make really big money per episode. I mean, Simpsons, like I'm good friends with Nancy who plays Chuckie on Rugrats. And the Simpsons are making like, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:28:21 It's where they were making. I heard something like 100,000, 200,000 plus an episode. I think it's more. Well, for Nancy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For some of those people, it's like crazy money.
Starting point is 00:28:31 So animation can be very lucrative because it's the same thing. They have a show on prime time. Yeah. They're making money. So why aren't these star actors that are now known making the money? So, I mean, there's a lot of money to be made in voiceovers. If you can have a show that lasts long enough to go into big money and syndication. And if it's prime time, that's where the money is.
Starting point is 00:28:51 If it's just like syndication, not syndication, but if it's like streaming or it's, all different now because there's so many venues. There's so many different platforms, you know, streaming and like whatever. It's different money now. So if you go in and you record one episode and it's 30K, how long does that take you? Well, back then, I think I was still working with a lot of the cast members. And when you, like I said, when you're working with everybody in the booth, you're waiting in between your lines so that each person gets each line right that they want. So it could take four hours back then. But right now, you're, you, You could go in and do the same work.
Starting point is 00:29:29 You could go in for, do us an episode. It's not, like right now we're doing Rugrats again. It's not quite, it's not what it was back then. Because they came in like 14 years later and renegotiated and they wouldn't negotiate back to that rate. Right. They have to start it as a brand new show kind of. We didn't go brand new show rate, but it wasn't like that rate. You know, it was like, wasn't here, but it wasn't here.
Starting point is 00:29:52 Did you feel like you had more leverage before the six years of Rugrats? to increase your pay? Or did it take six years to really take off? It kind of took that long to take off. Because you started, I think it was 1989 or 1990 was the first. I don't know. I don't remember the date. Okay.
Starting point is 00:30:10 Yeah. I can't remember my own birthday sometimes. I don't know. Right before you. Yeah. I don't know if you watch the show, Ned's Declassified. No. On Nickelodeon.
Starting point is 00:30:18 Yeah. He was saying that even after three seasons, they were very much apt to say, well, if you don't like the pay, you could leave and we'll replace you very easily. their mindset. But I feel like it was something like Rugrats, very difficult to replace the voice. Because it always sounds a little different.
Starting point is 00:30:34 Like you can never get it quite the same. Usually when you go in on a show like that, like when they came back and said, we want to do Rugrat reboot because now we're on season two of a brand new reboot, you really don't want to be greedy. You really don't. You don't want to play that card because they could replace you. It's always possible. What you want is a really beautiful.
Starting point is 00:30:55 harmonious win for everyone. So I think when it came to, when we all got bass back, and they didn't invite all of the adult characters back, they recast a lot of those characters. Some people didn't get recast, but the main baby characters all came back. But when that happened,
Starting point is 00:31:15 we had to come together as a group, all the babies, and say, well, what do we think is fair without being greedy and saying, we're not going to do it unless you give us $5 million an episode. You know, we had to be, really have integrity to the whole show. Not just think about ourselves. Like, we want to just try to
Starting point is 00:31:33 break them for as much money as we can. And so I think we all came together and thought, they offered a certain amount. And then we all came together and said, well, what's a fair amount that's not crazy and not greedy? And also Oluwen for us. And that's where we came up with a number that felt beautiful to Nickelodeon as well. And then it's a big win. So you can't just, you can't just go for like, you know, yeah, you just can't. You can't. You want to do the right thing. Because I've seen people get booed.
Starting point is 00:32:03 Here's an example. So, Babe, you know, the movie Babe and Babe 2? Okay, so Babe the Pig the Pig. I was Babe, Pig, and Babe Pig of the City, the second one. The first one had actually Christine Kavanaugh, who's brilliant actress, voice actress, who was the original Babe. She actually did Chuck Ian Rugrats. She started as Chuck Young Rugrats.
Starting point is 00:32:21 So I already knew her. I was working with her. And she was Babe and the first Babe. And then what happened was they came time to negotiate Babe Pig in the City, the sequel to Babe. And they went to her and her agent said, this is what we have for you for Babe too. And her rep, whoever it was, her lawyers, her rep was like, no, we can't. We want way more. We want more.
Starting point is 00:32:43 And then they said, we don't have any more for this. This is our budget. We would love you to do it. This is our budget. And then whoever it was, the powers that be in that team. said, no, we want Mark. And they came to me and said, well, you auditioned for this role. And at that point, I had to say, I'm not auditioning for that role.
Starting point is 00:33:02 Because she's my friend. I work with her on Rugrats. And we can't do that. I'm not going to step in. And so I didn't. But I said, but I love to audition for this other role, this little monkey. And they were like, okay. So then what happened was this time passed.
Starting point is 00:33:18 They recast her because they never settled on an amount. And whatever this happened. time passed they didn't settle with her. They negotiated with somebody else. I got cast as this other character, the monkey, the little boy. And then a week before we were recording, I get a call, I'm literally sitting on a beach,
Starting point is 00:33:38 and I get a call from George Miller. The director says, EG, we've been listening to the tapes. We already recast the character. So it's not like you'd be stepping on anyone's toes. We think you're babe for this. And would you be interested in doing it now? And at that point, I was like, yeah, I would.
Starting point is 00:33:54 So I said yes at that point because I knew I didn't have a lack of integrity to my friend and to doing the right thing for people that you work with. And so then I got cast as that character. So you can get booted out. That's my point. Even in a giant feature like that if you don't play the right cards. How do you take care of your voice if you're doing multiple shows? It's nice that it's, let's say, four to six hours in a day for an episode.
Starting point is 00:34:23 It means you could do maybe two in a day. But how do you ensure that you don't strain your voice in one episode so that you go to the next one? It's like you can't do the other show. I think I've been doing so much stuff with my voice for so much of my career. I mean, I'm a singer. I think my voice is so conditioned for so much. I'm a bodybuilder.
Starting point is 00:34:43 Like some people are like, I just think I'm like a bodybuilder when it comes to my vocal cords or my ability to push my voice. It's kind of rare that I, I can't, you know, the only kinds of things that would really mess my voice up are if I have a really, really severe chronic bronchitis cough and it just kind of gives me a little laryngized, which is pretty rare even. And I'm still able to push myself past that to do certain, like, tell me, because even if I was like talking like this and I had like a really hoarse voice, I still could go, oh, that's so cool, you know, and I could just squeeze it. I smile every time you do that. Oh, my gosh.
Starting point is 00:35:19 Just push it right over it. And so it happens. Wow. Now, you were saying you were in labor, also doing the voice of Tommy Pickles. How does that work? Can you do this from home? Or is it like... I was in the studio and I had gone to the doctor because I was very pregnant. And I said, I feel like I'm in labor. And that doctor that I stopped using after that particular incident, I didn't no longer use that doctor. Somebody else came in because the doctor never made it to labor, I don't think. But I basically, I went. went to the doctors and said, I think I'm in labor. And they're like, no, you're fine. And I was like, okay. And my, my kid's dad was, like, trying to take care of me because he could see I was,
Starting point is 00:36:02 like, struggling with contractions. And I just went ahead and went to work. And I just like, yeah, went. How long does labor start before birth? It can vary. It can be like, you can kind of be in labor for two days having, like, the contractions start coming faster and faster, which contractions feel like, like, just pain. Like, it just gets really, like, it's almost like your belly.
Starting point is 00:36:22 hardens for a second and then it relaxes. And it's a really weird feeling. It feels like cramps. But you're not a girl, so you don't know what cramps feel like. You know when you have a really good app day, Jack, and your, in your abs,
Starting point is 00:36:32 I don't do it. It's not even like that. He skips a app day. It's like a cramps. It feels like cramps, but it gets very extreme. I've gotten, what do you call it?
Starting point is 00:36:40 It's a cramp, right? And like your calf cramp? Yeah. Where it's spasms. It kind of feels like in a weird way, like it gets hard and it's weird. That's what a certain, they're called Braxton makes this feel like it kind of gets really,
Starting point is 00:36:52 and gets really hard and it kind of hurts. It's kind of like a cramp in a way, but it's a little different. Okay. It's like kind of in your... See, I didn't know if this was happening like right before you're about to give birth or if this was like...
Starting point is 00:37:02 It had been happening for a few days. Wow. And that could happen. You can start having contractions, but not be in labor. And you don't go into labor until you're dilated a certain amount. Your body's gotten so, so big inside.
Starting point is 00:37:12 And so I guess I went to the doctors and he was like, no, you're fine. But I was having so many contractions. I was like, how can I just be fine? I think I'm in labor, but I just, I listened to the, doctor and then I just went to the work and which was probably better too because I wasn't sitting at home
Starting point is 00:37:27 thinking about it. I just went to work and my job wasn't like I have to go run a marathon or it was like sitting in a chair doing voices and they were very patient with me they were like oh you're having another one of those and they were like wow these are you're having them pretty often off and every two minutes yeah that's when you know you're in labor because you can have racks and hicks contractions but they might be like every hour and you're not in labor yet how long does a contraction take It's like, it lasts like 20 seconds. Oh, wow. See, I thought it was going to be like a two second.
Starting point is 00:37:58 No, it's kind of like. So maybe 10 seconds. I don't know. I got to remember it's been a while. I'd have to get pregnant again. So yeah, it's a really weird thing. But I was like, I just was like, okay. So I went to work, which I would have probably done anyway.
Starting point is 00:38:16 And then after work, it was the crew in the studio that was like, you're having a lot of contractions very close together. People that were moms that were in the booth were like when your contractions started happening like every two minutes, three minutes, you're getting closer to being in labor. And then that night had a baby. That night.
Starting point is 00:38:33 Wow. Do you remember the episode that you filmed? I don't. But people ask that all the time. I don't remember. I wish we could look back at that episode and be like, oh, what was going to? It's in the vault somewhere.
Starting point is 00:38:43 You hear me like, oh, check you don't like sounds either. Hold, please. Oh, my gosh. That is wild. Yeah. So were you ever able to record these episodes from your house? Like if you just set up one of those, see that little audio recording thing? Well, that's all very new.
Starting point is 00:39:01 Like all this stuff now is very new. So I would go in all the time. But during COVID, and I had a little booth. So I would do a lot of my own auditions at home. For a long time, I've had my own little record for voiceover. But when COVID hit, everything stopped. And that's when Rugrats had gotten picked up for a reboot. and we started doing episodes before the COVID hit.
Starting point is 00:39:24 And then I was in COVID hit and they're like, and we're like, oh no, we just started getting to do new regrats and it's so fun and so exciting. And we were all kind of bummed. And then all of a sudden, like, after a few months, they called and said, do you have a booth set up at home? And I was like, I do. And I had just updated it.
Starting point is 00:39:42 And I had just put this thing that I, it's called Source Connect, where I can connect to a studio outside of mine. And I had just gotten that all upgraded for some reason, which is miraculous. So then I was like, I do. And then all of a sudden they said, can we try to do some episodes at your place? And I was like, okay. Amazon presents Jeff versus Taco Truck Salsa, whether it's Verde, Roja, or the orange one. For Jeff, trying any salsa is like playing Russian roulette with a flamethrower.
Starting point is 00:40:17 Luckily, Jeff saved with Amazon and stocked up on antacids, ginger tea, and milk. Habaniero? More like Habanier, yes. Save the everyday with Amazon. I started doing them at home, and actually then I moved to Malibu in a little place right on the beach, and I had this little booth I had it made for me, and I set it all up in there. I did, I think I did like 20 episodes in Malibu in this little tiny beach nook during COVID. 20 of the brand new episodes were done at home in a little tiny.
Starting point is 00:40:50 It wasn't even anything like that. It was literally like made a plexiglass with a little foam in it and I threw a blanket over it. It's so great. That's really neat. It's really cool, right? And I did a lot of major Rugrat episodes. Wow.
Starting point is 00:41:04 Is there ever a time where you weren't able to film? And what would they do in those cases? Like, let's just say you had just given birth or something like that. They have to get an episode out. Is there ever anything like that or is it pretty laid back in terms of their schedule? It's pretty laid back because if, let's say, I'm, let's say I had a baby and I needed a, you know, first of all, it's not that hard to just sit in a booth into your lines, even if you just have a baby. I was that person that started working pretty quickly right away because I was known for just bringing the baby with me.
Starting point is 00:41:32 Like I didn't want to, that was my only thing was I didn't want to leave my child and be working to where my kid wasn't getting what they needed. So I would just have like a nanny or an assistant. And they'd sit right there outside the booth. and then I would record and if I needed, they need me. I would just step out for a second. And I was like, so I never, it never compromised any, my personal life. Like, I just could do it any time.
Starting point is 00:41:54 I could do voiceover most of the time. It wasn't, if I had a flu, like, if I had a flu or something and I needed to wait, they just say, okay, we'll get you record next week. So we'll skip this week and we'll do your lines for this, this week next week. So you'll do next weeks and the week after together. So they just kind of move things around.
Starting point is 00:42:11 It's like super chill. It's not like when you're filming a movie. Yeah, you're on location. and you have to be working with the other actors and like if you can't show up, you're screwed. Right. Because the whole everything, yes. But voiceover, they can record you a week later.
Starting point is 00:42:24 It's not going to make or break anything. Wow. If Graham were doing a voiceover for a cartoon character, what would the cartoon character look like? Wait, what? He would be really smart, and I would make him talk a little faster. And I would say that you'd say, listen, everyone,
Starting point is 00:42:38 we have something really important. We're going to negotiate here. That's what I would make you sound like. He does be a smart fast talking. That's really cool, I tell you. that's how I'd make him sound. Wow. And I'd make you sound more like a surfer guy.
Starting point is 00:42:49 A surfer guy? Dude, what are you talking about? Dude, what are you talking about? Narnly, man. That's gnarly. Dude, why don't you guys come over for a little while? We'll do something fun in my place. That's crazy.
Starting point is 00:43:00 You could see him look like that. I can see it. Huh. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I'd say that's pretty fitting right there. Yeah, that's one of my favorite games. My favorite games is like if you were to put 10 faces and let me hear 10 voices,
Starting point is 00:43:13 I could match the voice. the face. Yeah. That's my funny, funny little game. Yeah, I listen to a podcast where you're talking
Starting point is 00:43:19 about making a voice of a pillow and how it would sound. Oh, it's on Kelly Clarkson. Yep. And I thought it was so accurate. It was just like this really high pitch, but very,
Starting point is 00:43:27 this is fluffy. And she talks like this. Everything is beautiful. Put your little bottom right here. You know? What goes through your mind when you see something like that and you put a personality to it?
Starting point is 00:43:40 Oh my God. It's so much fun. It's so much fun because you can make anything have a voice. this little plant could be like, oh, we're just sitting here in the sun and beautiful. You know what I mean? And this one would be like, oh, yeah, I really like it here in the sun. He's a little bit bigger.
Starting point is 00:43:55 Let's hang out here in the sun. Okay, let's just do that. What would this key sound like? Oh, the key would sound like this. Let's go. We're Alexis. Let's put this little car. I mean, he's skinny and little, so I would do as well.
Starting point is 00:44:06 It just depends. It's very fun. Oh, that is. I wish I had that skill. That sounds fun. It's really fun. You know, I wanted to be a voiceover actor when I was a kid. I did.
Starting point is 00:44:15 So we'd get together with my buddies and one of our friends had a cell phone. He was the only one whose parents would like not check the minutes. So when you had to pay by minute or whatever. Oh, my God. And so we used to make these preak phone calls and I would be the one doing the voices. And we'd call like grocery stores. Did you do that at YouTube? No, gosh.
Starting point is 00:44:33 No. This was when I was in like sixth grade, seventh grade, eighth grade, like somewhere around there. Uh-huh. But yeah, so I would call up and I had this character, Ina Mcrovich. Oh, let's hear it. Calling these grocery stores. Let me hear it. Hi, my name is Aynam McRivich.
Starting point is 00:44:51 I'm calling because I left something in the grocery store. Like, you know, I used to. Yeah, my voice got a little deep, but it used to be better back then. It's like a lady. I love it. Yeah, and then I used to call the school as my mom to get out of school. And I called. Hi, my name is Pamela Stephan calling on behalf of Gramm.
Starting point is 00:45:09 He's not feeling well. So I really wanted to get into voice acting. I just thought I had a. I had a cool knack for it. Oh, that's so cool. Thank you. I love that. I actually did this voiceover seminar.
Starting point is 00:45:21 I did two things you guys should check out and get you a link for, I at least can get you a link for the one moment we show, though. The voiceover seminar is somewhere. I can get you link for that too. But it's a voiceover seminar. And I did it because people would ask that. Be like, how do you do it? And I have a really cool voice.
Starting point is 00:45:36 And he's like, it's not just about having a cool voice. You have to be able to read the lines like a real person. People like reading lines like, drinking water. don't, you're under the authority of the public. You know, you have to be able to do it like it matters. But, um, so I did do a seminar on voiceover because people would ask. And I filmed it in front of a live audience. And it's, it's like, and I talked about the tips, tools, how tos.
Starting point is 00:45:59 And it's pretty cool. And it's not expensive. I did it like a digital download thing so people can learn. And I also did like, which is really interesting is I actually interviewed a lot of the famous voiceover stars like, and I asked all of them like, I talk about this in the seminar, but I asked a lot of like, big pro guys like how you got a break. It was really weird.
Starting point is 00:46:18 It was none of them got a break like normal. Like it wasn't like, I had an agent. I booked a job. Everyone was like, I was singing at a wedding. Someone heard my voice and said, you want to go. I was in a play. Someone heard my voice. I was like, nobody went into voiceover like with the intention of a voiceover.
Starting point is 00:46:33 They just, I was a comedian. Someone heard me. Every single major voiceover star got it in some random way. It's really cool. Who's out there looking for voices? Is it that they work with TV and movies and they were just sent out to scout or are these people just going about their day
Starting point is 00:46:50 and they find someone. Look, I did a play and some guy came to the play and was like, you're really good at your voices, your children's voices. He was a voice of rage and so he happened to be at the play where I happened to be changing my voice around and he's like, you should try this. So he was like, you never know.
Starting point is 00:47:04 All I know is you, the more you're out there and the more you do things, the more you like say yes to things, the more openings for opportunities come. I guess it's the same for dating, right? I'm supposed to be going out more. You're supposed to be going out more? I think so because I've been like not.
Starting point is 00:47:19 It's like, who wants to go out when it's raining? But yeah, if I want to find my next husband. Are you on the apps? I am. These are our favorite topics. I'm on the apps. I might see you then. Yeah, I am on those apps.
Starting point is 00:47:34 It was driving me crazy. I'm not so good at them. I would have my assistant swipe for me because I'm just like my follow is terrible. But does she know your taste? I mean Well my
Starting point is 00:47:46 Julie's knew her so she But my other assistant A's she kind of She kind of has the same taste as me But it's not just like The taste like the type You know what I mean
Starting point is 00:47:56 It's not like the type thing It's more like now at this point in my life It's more like When you hear people talk about themselves Nonstop and they don't ask you how you are Like narcissists Like that's just like I'm highly allergic to narcissists Like I'm looking for different things now
Starting point is 00:48:11 than I think I did when I did when I was younger. Like now it's really like kind people, people that are love animals or kind. Emotional connection. Yeah, yeah, yeah. People that are like deeper and connected. So it's harder for me with apps because I can't,
Starting point is 00:48:27 it's hard for me to just look at a picture now and read a few lines. And then if I even get to where I have a conversation, usually they want to text and text and text and text. And I'm like, I don't want to text. If you want to just have a quick FaceTime call, that would be better because then you could see someone and I'm super intuitive, and I can see if, like, I'm, you know, for one, am I really attracted
Starting point is 00:48:46 them? For two, are they really hearing me? Do they really see me? Are they really connected? Are they talking about things that matter? Or they just like, yo, me and my buddies are you growing around on this boat, want to come? Like, whatever. Just like if there's something deeper, like, I love animals.
Starting point is 00:49:00 I've done a lot of things. Or I don't know, I just look for deeper things now. And it's hard for me because I see everything. Like, I think I'm highly intuitive. So I can see when someone's over trying to sell themselves and they're not really what they're saying they are. Do you feel like maybe it's intimidating that they know who you are? Or do they not know?
Starting point is 00:49:22 It's hard. It's hard. If I meet someone and they go like, oh my God, I saw you on Dally Girl. You're my favorite. And I'm like, I can't date that guy because it's too weird because they're like fan-growing and they're like, it's one thing if somebody's doing just as good in their career. Do you know what I mean? If they're like their world, their life, their careers, they're doing well.
Starting point is 00:49:40 so if they're just love what I do and they want to know me and it's not like they live in Pekoyma on a boat dock and they got a big fish in their picture and they're asking you to like move to Pekoyma and go fishing with them every day. Like we have nothing in common.
Starting point is 00:49:56 So if we're like, do you know what I'm saying? Like if we have a lot in common and like I'm a big animal person I'm an animal activist and I do a lot and so like with somebody that loves animals I'm like that's good, I like people that love animals that tells me a lot about someone. and someone who does a lot of spiritual work
Starting point is 00:50:12 that tells me a lot about something. And they kind of like, they would know how to walk a press line if they had to. But those are important things because I go to like big things sometimes. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:22 I go to like beautiful events. And so I don't want to like feel like the person I'm with is like completely freaked out by all of it. That just wouldn't be a match. So it's like weirder things I have to look for and I just don't, you know. Right.
Starting point is 00:50:35 But if they are a fan of your work, wouldn't that signal, I'm a huge shot, but wouldn't that signal He's got a fiancé. I got a fiance. Oh, congrats. But Jack doesn't.
Starting point is 00:50:46 But if they're a fan of your work, wouldn't that also signal that they appreciate what you do and like your backstory and your career? And that is nice. And actually that would be really beautiful as long as they were feeling great about what they did and they were thriving at what they did. I think if somebody's like, I think you just have to be each other's match or each other's person. And I mean like comparable magnitude, the meaning like, you know, just both be doing, doing well in your life. You know what I mean? Or if you're both not doing well, but at least you match. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:51:18 Yeah. Like for me, I don't want to. Like I dated this guy who was a sweetheart and I really liked him. But we were a match in some ways. It was like you were a very spiritual guy and we would go to some events and stuff. And he was a really nice guy. But like he lived in a behind a house and a little hut under behind a house and a thing. And I was like, I can't.
Starting point is 00:51:38 I can't go there. It's just not like, it's not like trying to be superficial, but it's just trying to be like comparable magnitude. Like, you know what I mean? I've worked hard and I live a certain way and I don't want to all of a sudden like have to go from like an inequality match. That's all I mean. You should be like matched.
Starting point is 00:51:53 Just like if somebody has no spiritual life and they don't believe in God, that's fine. I do. And so that's a big disconnect. Yeah. So I think there has to be like, there has to be matches across like important things. And to me, the important ones are like, spirituality, love of animals, you know, a person who's not a narcissist who's just like, I think it's, it makes it hard. It does make it a little hard. Yeah. What's some of the best
Starting point is 00:52:19 relationship advice you've ever heard? The best, I want to hear yours first. The best relationship. Advice. Jack's like, what? Well, it's not a question. I don't know if this is, like, I mean, it's a pretty commonly agreed upon thing that communication is key. And I'm a firm believer that, you should communicate everything. I think communication will solve 99.99% of it. I think communication will solve 99.99% of problems in relationships. I think that's a great answer. Yeah, I love that. Yes.
Starting point is 00:52:43 Yes. It's one point for you. And I think laughter, and being goofy, be able to be goofy and have fun. I mean, oh, this guy's a big good. How more is this to be a laugh?
Starting point is 00:52:53 Like, I think to me, like, being able to laugh, it's like, whoever I end up marrying or being with the rest of my life partner person, I just wanted to be fun and funny and also sexy and hot. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:05 You know what I mean? Like best friend. slash super hot for each other. That's it. Yeah. And great communication. And like just a lot of like similar interest in the world and the real big world and important things.
Starting point is 00:53:16 Yeah. Because work is like, work is beautiful. And I'm grateful for my work. But it's not at the end of the day, you want to like feel safe with your people. Right. And your career is here and there and it goes up and down all the time or whatever. But at the end of the day, you want to feel safe at home, at home, wherever home is. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:33 When Rugrats was wrapping up, how did you feel, uh, Towards that. Were you ever nervous of like finding what the next thing was and like progressing further? With for my job. Yeah. Yeah. Like there were there times where I'm like wondering what my next move's going to be. Right.
Starting point is 00:53:52 Because. Yeah, right now. I mean, I have jobs. Yeah. I'm doing great. And I think God. But I do wonder like because I feel I'm being called to something more big, something bigger.
Starting point is 00:54:02 And I do really want to do a documentary. because I had a pretty interesting, like, journey with, like, even just personally, like, my personal life. And it's not like I would want it to be a scandal thing, but there's been a lot of scandal in my life with, you know, it's like my ex-husband was married to Pam Anderson twice. My ex-husband was married Shannon Doherty once? My ex-husband was the guy in the Parasilton tape. Do you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:54:28 No. But because of for some reason, and not just that in my own life, other things. I've just had a lot of really. wild things happen. So I have a very, and people I've dated. Like, could you share any of that?
Starting point is 00:54:42 Like, like, what do you mean? Like, any, any stories with that? Or something that you would want to include in a documentary? Okay, like when I was in my 20s,
Starting point is 00:54:50 I was Madly Love and I had this boyfriend whose name was John Eric Hexam. And he was this very, very beautiful man. And he looked like you. Oh, thanks. So don't worry. You'll find your partner.
Starting point is 00:55:04 Yeah. And he was a very beautiful man. And John Eric Kacksam. And I was younger than him. And I was madly in love with him. And I think I was 22. And he was working on a very big show at the time. And he put a prop gun up against his head and shot it.
Starting point is 00:55:22 And it blew a piece of his skull, the size of a quarter, into the middle of his brain. No. Brain dead. And so that happened. And a prop gun? It was a prop gun. Is that just for the shooting a blank?
Starting point is 00:55:35 Yeah. but a blank has a blank close range. If you put it here, he probably wouldn't be okay, but it was here. Did he intend to do damage? He was just probably playing around. He was on the set,
Starting point is 00:55:46 and they said he was playing around, and he put it here. And the blank has gunpowder, wax, and paper. Yeah. It's strong enough to shoot through a piece of a skull the size of a quarter to the middle of his brain. So it basically took them out. And so, like, that was a very challenging time for me
Starting point is 00:56:03 because that was only in my 20s, So he was my boyfriend. And it was weird. The whole thing was weird. And, yeah, I mean, I just had some really, there was a lot of trauma. I've had some trauma. I also had some amazing things. So life has been pretty crazy journey.
Starting point is 00:56:21 And, you know, I've shared a lot about a lot of that in that one woman show I talked about. It's called Listen Closely. And it's on digital, it's on Amazon. Both the seminar and Listen Closely. Listen Closely is like, a one hour, 15-minute one-woman autobiographical musical about my journey. So I feel like I'm supposed to do the documentary
Starting point is 00:56:42 based on that one-woman show. So if you guys see the one-woman show, listen closely. There was a lot of things that happened. I do talk about the Paris Hilton thing. And I do talk about the Shannon Doherty stuff. And I do talk about how I met my first voice agent and it changed my career. I do talk about John Eric shooting himself in the head.
Starting point is 00:56:58 I actually reenact that whole thing in the one-moe show. So I try to just be really real about what happened and how my thought process was during a lot of it and how I just kept growing my spirit to be able to handle all this shit. Yeah, so I'm feeling like the next thing I'm supposed to do is either like this book or this documentary. Plus, there's a lot of stuff like around the Conrad Hilton,
Starting point is 00:57:21 which is Paraseltin's little brother. I mean, you could Google it and my family. There's a lot of drama around that. There's just been a lot of stuff. In the middle of that, I've had this beautiful career. and my love of animals. So I just think there's a lot of interesting things that I would want to share my side of what happened
Starting point is 00:57:39 about a lot of things. Yeah. How did you cope through the shooting? Because that I feel like is just a tough one to grasp because it was like a bit of an accident, very spontaneous. It was kind of like a dream. Okay. I sort of felt like I was in a dream.
Starting point is 00:57:57 I was like, I really almost couldn't believe it was happening. And then, but there were a lot of things that happened up and to that kind of looking back, I was able to journal like, I felt like he was a ticking time bomb and he was going to blow up. I mean, like, I wrote it in journals. Like, I feel like John Eric is a ticking time bomb and I don't know when he's going to go off. And then there was another weird thing that happened that I didn't remember until recently I went and did ayahuasca, which I don't do drugs really. I don't, you guys know what ayahuasca is.
Starting point is 00:58:27 I do. I don't do drugs. I've never done, I didn't really do any drugs and I'm not a drinker. I said, I remember my thing, but I did go do ayahuasca because there's so many amazing things I kept researching about it. And in that, I had a very vivid memory of when I was with John Eric in his room, in his bed, and I couldn't stop crying. And it was like, it was happening.
Starting point is 00:58:50 I was during the ayahuasca when I was on ayahuasca, and I was just remember, I was just crying, crying, crying, and he was right there with me. And I remember it was like yesterday. And what was really weird was he died a week later. And I couldn't remember that when I was, I didn't know why I was crying when I was actually with him in real life a week before he died. And now I look back and I was like, I must have known something. Like I knew something was going to happen.
Starting point is 00:59:15 I wrote the thing he's, you know, there's just a lot of really weird things. What made you want to do, I-A-A-A-Wasca? What about that peek to your curiosity? Because I've seen a lot of documentaries on it and hearing people's experiences. And it's interesting, but I would be. I feel like I'd be terrified. Terrified. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:31 Okay. That's why I did it. Because for one, my daughter had done it. One of my younger daughter did it. She kept calling me every night after her ceremonies and be like, mom, this is mind-boggling. Like there's a lot of people just like you. There's women your age who have had adult kids who have had lives and they're very like, you know, there's so many people just like you normal, regular people, not drug addicts, not this, not that.
Starting point is 00:59:53 And I kept thinking, yeah, but I'm terrified. First of all, I don't like to throw up. Right. Yeah, that's one of the first things, right? I did not like growing up. So it's like, do not. I cannot. And so I kept saying, no, honey, I could never do that,
Starting point is 01:00:06 but I'm glad you're having a good experience. My daughter for her was very healing. And so the place she went to is very, very high end, and they really educate you there. You have to do classes about it before you even do ayahuasca. And then you do four days in a row. Four days in a row of ayahuasca. Four days in a row.
Starting point is 01:00:24 That seems, is that healthy? It's fine. Wow. Four days. Like medics and a medical team. You have to see the doctors. This isn't in the United States. In Costa Rica.
Starting point is 01:00:33 That's where I did it. And how long does the ayahuasca trip last? I mean... I don't think it's long, right? The first three nights you go in and you start... The ceremony is like music and singing and like chanting. Could start at seven and then you're there to like one or two in the morning. 7 p.m.?
Starting point is 01:00:54 Yeah. And what are the demographics of the people? Everyone. I mean, there were like conservative, like, couples from like that have a cow farm, like really conservative, like they go to church. They're like super conservative couples that were there. I was like, what are they doing here? And then there were like moms and they were like young girls and were like older people.
Starting point is 01:01:12 And there was like older men like in their late 70s. I mean, it was really wide, wide demographic. It wasn't like, oh, it was a bunch of wanting to be sober out because there's a lot of healing properties. So it was really wild. But so when my daughter came back from that trip, she said, mom, you should really think about it. I was like, no, I can't ever do that. It scares me so much.
Starting point is 01:01:30 And then I just kept thinking about it. And I kept researching. And I researched this guy, Gabi Mata, this doctor. And he said, like, he's never seen so much healing in his patients. And he had dealt with people that were dying. And he dealt with people that were terrible addicts. And he says he's never seen the kind of recovery or healing that came from ayahuasca. So it was like, and they kept saying, if it's calling to you, and it keeps calling to you,
Starting point is 01:01:52 then you got to listen. Because that's how mother ayahuasca works. And so then I finally said to my daughter, yeah, I'll do it. I couldn't believe I said it and I couldn't believe I did it. And I did four days of it. Did you go alone? I went with my daughter again. She went again. This was months later.
Starting point is 01:02:05 Wow. Yeah. Yeah. It was wild. How much does it cost for a four-day trip of that? Well, this place I went to is like really nice. It's called Rhythmia. It's like a little busier.
Starting point is 01:02:15 But I wanted that because I wanted it to be like very. Safe environment. Really safe. You have to see the medics office. You have to do health forums. You have to eat a certain diet. It's very strict. It's a medicine.
Starting point is 01:02:25 And so. So, you know, I don't know what that place is like six, seven thousand per a week. Per person? Yeah. But it's for four days. No, it's a week. Oh, it's a week? You do like, oh, you do breathwork, you do meditation, you do yoga, you do.
Starting point is 01:02:41 Oh, wow. So it's a whole retreat? It's a whole retreat. And one of the activities that you do on the retreat is the ayahuasca, aside from that's meditation. That's right. And the last night of ayahuasca you do from like 7 p.m. until the next day. You're literally, watch the sun come up and you wake up and you don't wake up. you're awake through the night.
Starting point is 01:02:58 But are you around sober people? Like there are people like if you... Oh, yeah. Did you see people like freaking out a little bit? You're in a giant room like a giant room. Like a 60 people. Probably 60 people. You're all in the same room.
Starting point is 01:03:13 V-Sos had a great documentary on it. He went and did exactly this and filmed the entire thing. I think I saw that one. Yeah. I watched all a bunch of them because I wanted to know. But I didn't know like to me I, I, I really wanted to hear people's stories that never did drugs because I was that person. I was like, I want to hear from somebody who was never a drug addict.
Starting point is 01:03:37 That's what I was looking for online. And I couldn't find a lot of those. I don't know if I found any. No. Because that scared me. I was like, it's one thing if you've done drug and you used to being out of your mind. But it's another if you're never done drugs and that scares me. How did you find it to be healing?
Starting point is 01:03:51 Like, in what way? Oh, it's just so like I'm saying it takes you to part of your brain. brain that you can't really tap back into usually breathwork you can do it with. But like I was able to go back to that moment lying in that bed with my boyfriend who shot himself. And I remembered like a message. Like his message was, um, I believe in you. Go do this. Go do these things you want to do. Like, because he was like the big star at the time. You had this series and I was like, I was doing my own career. But I remember like there was beautiful messages. And I did. I went ahead and and followed through. like it's almost like he said you can do this
Starting point is 01:04:27 and that was way back at the beginning of my career and I remember things about my mother that like it was hard for me to connect with my mom all the time for some reason my mom is beautiful lady and was a good mom but she was very like she'd look at me she'd be like what why is your hair messy here what's going with that eyebrow or well
Starting point is 01:04:47 it wasn't like looking at me like I love you it was like she she had a hard time really seeing deeper was more like she would great mom still but just couldn't see me inside me, which was painful for me because I always just want to be seen. I want people to see me.
Starting point is 01:05:03 And so one of the messages I got was that in my ayahuasca, because you're like tripping, but you remember everything. You literally remember yourself throwing up in a bucket. You remember self crawling to the bathroom. You remember, like you remember usually when you're drunk, you black out, you don't remember. Not that I ever do that,
Starting point is 01:05:19 but people when they're really messed up, they don't remember anything. Right. You remember everything during ayahuasca. And so one of the messages was, like, a shaman lady would ask me, like, what are you feeling? I'm like, I feel really nauseous. She was like, what is that? I'm like, it's fear.
Starting point is 01:05:34 She goes, what is that fear? I'm like, I'm just scared of everything. And I just started sharing all these things, but I'm crying, crying, crying. And then I just said, and I'm afraid, like, my mom's getting older and I'll never get to really have her see me. And I just start crying, like crying, deep crying. And then all of a sudden, she goes, do you want to dance with your mom? And all of a sudden, I'm dancing with the shaman lady, but it's actually like, I'm feeling like, It's my mother, but my mother young and me young.
Starting point is 01:05:59 And I'm crying and I'm like connecting to my mother. And then when I come back to town after ayahuasca, my mom is so present and I feel her like I've never felt her. And I don't know how that worked, but something shifted from the ayahuasca for me. And when I see my mom now, it's a very different weird thing. It's just weird. Do you think it's because you're behaving and seeing things differently?
Starting point is 01:06:22 Or do you think that- Yeah, because I had this revelation that my mom has always been able to connect with babies, and that came from the ayahuasca. What's the message was your mom connects to babies and children. She sees them. She has a hard time with adults. For whatever reason, maybe they were too painful for her. But for some reason, my mom could connect and love children and babies.
Starting point is 01:06:43 Like, she just loves them. She had five kids. But adults probably scared the shit out of her. So I realized that in order to connect my mom, I connect with her, like she sees the little kid. So it's like, I don't know what happened. Just something. There was a weird revelation about my mom that was profound.
Starting point is 01:07:01 What's your relationship with work look like now? Are you still very gung-ho about work? You're still very excited to take on more jobs and continue working for the next 5, 10, 15, 20 years? Or what's your sentiment? I'm going to be an old lady. I'd like to make it big in Hollywood. That was fun. the next 25 years
Starting point is 01:07:25 Yes, well let me tell you Who are the grandparents on Rugrats? Boris and what was you name? Boris and Minka. Minka, you could be Minka. Yeah, I'm going to be doing my Oprah. Oprah, I remember when I used to watch you? Oh, my.
Starting point is 01:07:40 Sounds like a little bit like Cher. Share half-word. Yeah, share talks like this. Anyway, I still really want to keep doing beautiful. I feel like there's so many messages and things I've learned that I want to find ways to put them out. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:07:53 If I can spare someone some of the things I did, I want to do that. I feel like there's so many different voices I could still do. There's so many roles I still want to do. So there's a lot of like things I still want to do. I really do want to do a documentary because I have all the old footage of me like performing back in the 80s when I would do like the sunset strip and the whiskey and all those clubs back then. And just like I have, you know, videos of like I videotaped everything back then.
Starting point is 01:08:16 So I want to use all the live footage. And so I really do that. I have to find the right person to help me. like a person to help me put it together because it's too much by myself. But, you know, like a team that does documentary. So I'm going to do that. That's one of my goals. And I think I want to write a book.
Starting point is 01:08:32 And there's other roles I want to do that are like just dope and cool. And voiceover, it's limitless. You know, there's so many different voices I want to play with. But so, yeah, I still feel a drive. I mean, I definitely feel like the last two years were kind of chill for me. Even though I was working, I was doing Rugrats and other shows, one's called Grimsburg. I still think there's some other really cool things I want to do.
Starting point is 01:08:53 And more speaking and more teaching and more fun and more funny and more love. How were you and what were your thoughts about like saving and investing throughout the entire process? Was there any concern of like, I don't know how long this is going to last. I better save it like just in case because I hear a lot about the industry could either be like, you're doing really well one year and then there's no work for a while and really well. You can make money one year and then not at all the next. I mean, there were times where, like, I'd have to move out of my house and go, when my kids were little, we moved out of our house and went to go live with the Oakwoods
Starting point is 01:09:26 because I was running out of money. The Oakwoods is like this apartment complex that a lot of people would go stay out when they were filming a show or they'd bring their little families and stay in these little apartments. It was kind of fun. It was a lot of industry people. But there were times where I had to move out of my house and take the kids when they were little because I was like, oh, shit, I'm running out of money, you know. And then everything just fly back and also be making money again.
Starting point is 01:09:49 And so I am very aware about saving and being smart with money. And, you know, I do have to, you do have to think about it because, like, I have money. But would I feel like if I want to just retire and stop doing everything right now, I don't think I would feel ready to do that. Do you know what I mean? Financially? I don't think so.
Starting point is 01:10:12 I think I'd like to do some jobs that were like just really super big money to where I really don't even have to think about it. But right now I think I would want to be more stable there. Sure. Where are you investing? I hate stocks and all that stuff. I literally like the only money I put into stocks or into, I don't know what those are. I don't even know what they're called.
Starting point is 01:10:31 Index funds. It's with USB. What is that USB? Is that USB? USDC? I don't know. All I know is like the only money I've ever put is like a little chunk of dough. I would put into that.
Starting point is 01:10:46 Like that money is down by 15. or 20% and it's been in there for two years so I'm like wait wait so it's down 15% over two years
Starting point is 01:10:53 in the last like whatever since they put it in it's down from what the actual value the whole market has gone down yeah but not over two years
Starting point is 01:11:02 I may be down year over two years yeah yeah so the S&P is down about 10% year every year over two years
Starting point is 01:11:11 it's positive so right now it's whatever over two years okay then maybe it's been a year but whatever money I took
Starting point is 01:11:17 and I put it in this thing. It's like, you should do that, and then I'll invest that for you, blah, blah, blah. It's down, which means, like, every time I've ever put money in any of those things that are play the market, it's always down. And anytime I was like, I think I need that.
Starting point is 01:11:31 They'd be like, oh, it's down by this much, and I'd be like, I need it. And I told you to put it in nothing unless it was really conservative and I wasn't going to lose, and it'd be down. So I, like, have no faith. I think you just got to hold on a little bit longer. I mean, overall, the market saw a pretty big dip over the past year.
Starting point is 01:11:44 When's it going up? Do you have the sky? I mean, let me check. Well, did well today. There's a golden, like, date, basically, where you can expect to go up by. But then what? Then it goes up, and then a two years later goes down,
Starting point is 01:11:55 so you never really make any of that? Well, the average is about 7 to 8% a year. Over 20 years. Historically, it's about 10% of years. No, adjusted for inflation. I just sure. You didn't specify that, but yes, 7 to 8% a year.
Starting point is 01:12:08 I would do a cartoon voice of what you just said, Just it for inflation. Don't talk about. I would do a little kid with like, hey, let's talk about inflation here. Let's talk about inflation. to eight percent a year, Jack. 78% a year, Jack.
Starting point is 01:12:20 Okay. Yeah, well, adjusted for inflation, it's seven to eight percent per year. But if not, it's 10. And for Rugrats, do you continue to get royalties? Yeah. Wow. You do. Well, then that's a retirement.
Starting point is 01:12:30 You do. It's great. And you get royalties from like, I'm good. I'm fine. I could retire. Yeah. I mean, you get royalties from like two and a half men. I did like, took me like 20 minutes to record that song.
Starting point is 01:12:42 And I get gigantic royalties on that song. And I didn't even write the song. but it's in syndication that show. So it's a really big money thing. Yeah. Who would thought? You know, I did that so long ago, but it's great. Chuck Lurie has good projects.
Starting point is 01:12:56 One of the stories that sticks with me for a theme song is Danny Elfman, who wrote The Simpsons theme song, did it in the car in 15 minutes. Yeah. Submitted it and that's it. Well, that's how it is. The Simpsons theme song. Yeah, when it's really good and it took me 15, 20 minutes to cut the men, men, men, men, menly men. It's so funny.
Starting point is 01:13:14 I didn't realize. until recently that you were the voice for that intro. Yeah. But I always wondered because his singing was too good. Like there's no way. I thought maybe it's like he did it. You could sing it like this, but he can't really sing very good.
Starting point is 01:13:27 So yeah. Men, men, men, men, men, loo. I had to sing him. I always thought maybe he was just like really autotuned. And they used him and like just like fix the voice. Because it was like too good. That was magic of me. No.
Starting point is 01:13:41 Yeah, I know. Yeah. Can you do the voice of Chuckie? Can you imitate? But can you do any of the voices? Like, can you, because you're so good at picking other characters, like, doing it. Could you? Or no?
Starting point is 01:13:55 You know, it's really funny. Chuckie, I don't really do. Huh. I really don't do it. There was a time on the show where I did one of the other characters. I can say what, because I had a little issue. But I did do one other character on that show, just one or two episodes, because the person wasn't available or something.
Starting point is 01:14:16 But I don't want to like, it was probably supposed to be on the download, but I did do that, one of the characters once. And, but like, yeah, I don't do Chucky, which is really funny.
Starting point is 01:14:29 Yeah, there's, once in a while there'll be a voice I don't do. I mean, I don't do men's voices, obviously, you know. But I used to do like I did, Mrs. Impossible, dash, you have to get over on the, you know, what's her name she does?
Starting point is 01:14:41 Dash. Oh, Helen Hunt. That's crazy. It's Holly, Holly, Hunter. Yeah. Dash, I want you to tell your dad some. You know, she talks like that. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:49 So I actually did, this is impossible for all the like pickups and the commercials. She did a Thai commercial. And so I do things like that. Like they say, can you do Holly Hunter's voice? And I was like, no, I can't do that. She sort talks like this. And I was like, I can't do it.
Starting point is 01:15:03 And then I was like, I guess I can do it. I'll say, can you do share? So I'll be like, oh, honey, I'm not sure how to do it. You know, so I tried to do share, you know. Snap out of it. Is that chair? Yeah, that was pretty good. That's pretty good, right?
Starting point is 01:15:16 Oh, my gosh. Yeah, so I do that, but it's a weird thing. So certain voices, yes, and there might be a voice here and there I don't. And I don't do Chuckie. Hmm. Yeah. But Nancy does great. How often do people ask you to do Tommy Pickles?
Starting point is 01:15:28 All the time. Really? Yeah. Do you ever get tired of it? I have, like, workers at my house and they'll be like, oh, you did Tommy Pickles. And I'll be like, yeah, and then I'll do it. No, not really. It's pretty sweet.
Starting point is 01:15:39 It's pretty sweet, you know. You see them, like, light up, like, oh, yeah, I do the voice of my child does. I mean, like, if I'm like, if I'm in a restaurant, I'm eating dinner with somebody or, you know, and somebody walks over the table, I was like, oh, can you do the best? I'm like, man, I'm on a date. It's probably not a good time. You could ask that while you're on a date. I mean, there will be times when people walk up to you at a table like, oh, my God, I know you.
Starting point is 01:16:04 And they're very sweet. And I was trying to be very gracious. But sometimes I'll have to say, I'm on a date. It's not really appropriate for me. So I'll have to say that. But I try to be nice because they're sweet. Your date doesn't encourage you. Oh, no, no, no, it's okay.
Starting point is 01:16:13 Go ahead. He wants the exact same thing. Sometimes. He said, I've been waiting this entire time. Yes, you already set them up to ask the question. Yeah, right? Yeah, he set it up. No, I mean, sometimes, just to be sweet to people, you don't want to make people feel terrible.
Starting point is 01:16:26 I don't like making people feel bad. It's hard enough for them to walk up and say, you're the voice of my childhood, and that is a gift to me. But just sometimes there might be like, I might be in the middle of something and it's really a bad time. I might just say, oh, I'm just in the middle of something. It's not a good time for me. But thank you. You know, I just want to be gracious. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:16:40 Is there anything else that you want to talk about? Anything else that you feel like we didn't hit? I think really, honestly, you guys should watch the Listen Closely. Okay. It's the One Woman Autobiographical Musical. It's on Amazon. And the one woman, oh, I do have the Voiceover seminar, which is pretty cool. And I did have like some guests people come and talk about voiceover.
Starting point is 01:16:58 And I did share some interesting facts about voiceover. It's really kind of interesting. Cool. And I talk about my journey a little bit too. And because I really think a lot of the journey is being open. And I talk about offshoots, like be open to like, somebody trying to point you to something new that you might say no to.
Starting point is 01:17:16 And again, it is a fine line. We talked about it. You might say no. I did say no one time I got offered a partner Chuck Norris movie to play his daughter and something. And I remember that. I was like, I'm not doing Chuck Norris movie.
Starting point is 01:17:29 You know, I passed on it. And I was so sad I passed on it because they were in Calgary, filming, riding horses, and I was home in the summer doing nothing because I had no other jobs that came that summer. And I thought I was going to have like, so sometimes it's like I find more
Starting point is 01:17:41 opportunities come by saying yes. Do I mean? So I talk about things like, I talk about different kinds of things, but I like to teach people things other than just how to do voices about life so that it's life and art. It's not just like you're doing your work and you're obsessed with your work. Because I did obsess with my work and that's not a fun way to live. Oh, that sounds like me. Yeah?
Starting point is 01:18:02 But he loves it. I love it. He loves it. He's what he says. Yeah. Well, I'm doing both. But like, but I love work. For me, that's my escape is just like loving work.
Starting point is 01:18:11 And I do too. I do too. But I think if you have a box and you have like nine squares and you have like work and your fiancee and your animals and your fun and your aquarium and your bar, blah, blah, blah, you put them all in a box that your life should be balanced. And it shouldn't be like 99% just the work and then you give a tiny bit. I just think this needs to be balanced for it all to really be good. I always feel like it can't be balanced. It's got to be like if you want to excel at, one thing you have to be like more overweight. Yes, that's true. There are times you want to be a little intense, but it'll make you crazy. I mean, the thing is you don't want to get to where you just, you feel like an empty shell, which is what I've experienced where I was so
Starting point is 01:18:53 obsessed with making my work happen that I couldn't say no to people. I did things I didn't want to do. I went a place I didn't want to go. Everything was for work. And I think I would want to encourage people to to not give up yourself so much. You know what I mean? It's one thing to be ambitious, which is cool and be driven. But, but
Starting point is 01:19:11 don't give up your integrity to yourself. And that's the difference. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Gvye said yes to things I didn't want to do or yes to hanging out with people I didn't want to hang out with because I thought I could get an opportunity with that person and then I was like things happened.
Starting point is 01:19:26 I didn't want to have happened. Then I'd be like, that's a line you shouldn't cross. You should, I feel for myself, I would take better care of myself. Well, thank you so much. Is there anything else? We'll link to everything that you mentioned in the description. So like all that'll be there. Instagram, really, each day.
Starting point is 01:19:40 If I spoke each daily, Twitter, I don't really do much Twitter, but each. I like the TikTok. It's really EGy Daily on TikTok and Instagram. And my website, Eachdaily.com. Cool. It's kind of fun. Well, it'll all be in the description. Thank you so much.
Starting point is 01:19:52 Yeah, look out for screaming cry and new Rugrats and Grimsberg, which I do with John Hamm, who's a great actor. And yeah, it's going to be fun, good stuff. Thank you. I appreciate it. You're welcome. All right. Thank you.
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