The Iced Coffee Hour - The Tragic Story Of The Dogecoin "Millionaire"

Episode Date: February 15, 2022

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Welcome back to the Ice Coffee Hour. My name is Pro the Doge, aka the Doge Coin Millionaire. And I think that you guys have made a million dollars. Wow. We get the wild guesses. Holy cow. Jeez. You know, this should be like the price is right, where if you go over, you lose.

You went over, man. I went over. $165,000 is how much we've made so far. Wow. Solid. That's still impressive. Thank you. Very impressive, actually.

Thank you. For those that aren't aware. of you and your story, we had you on, gosh, almost a year ago, but nine months ago, you went all in Dogecoin and you made this big outsized bet that Dogecoin was going to blow up and go up in price and was going to hit a dollar. And in the span of only a few months, you turned, your life savings, you cashed out of everything, you put money and credit cards, you put everything into Dogecoin. You turned that investment of a few hundred thousand dollars into as high as almost $30,000.

$3 million in three months. You were everywhere. CNBC, Market Watch, CNN, everybody. The New York Times. I was on the cover. Gosh, everywhere. Because you had this story about going from, you know, your life savings, which was still substantial at the time,

but going all in and being right and making a lot of money. And we talked with you back then. We tried to convince you to sell. Yeah. Didn't want to sell. Yeah. Then we covered the update a few months later after the, after Saturday Night Live premiered and Dogecoin faltered a bit on Elon Musk's remark. Yeah.

But still hold up a lot stronger than you thought it was going to. I agree. But here's the thing. We've missed you on your channel. Yeah. I want you to post on your channel and it's been over a month now. Yeah. And people have not heard from you.

You've just disappeared. So there's some speculation on what's going on. But I wanted to, first of all, welcome you to Vegas. Thank you. Get the inside scoop. What's been going on over these last few months? What are your thoughts of Dogecoin? What are your thoughts on cryptocurrency?

What are you doing? Just the crypto space in general took a huge fall, right? Like, we're seeing it happen right now where Bitcoin's low. Ethereum is low. Like, just crypto's low. You know, so Dogecoin right along with them is low as well. As far as the future of Dogecoin, coin I still I'm super bullish on those coin I still feel like it's going to do very well in the long term which is how I'm holding long term and there are a few things still on the horizon for it that I feel like are really going to help it continue to rise you know in the future so I got like we got the Robin Hood wallets situation that I remember talking to you about I was like look Robin Hood holds a third of all the doge coin in existence in its own wallets right you can't buy anything with anything

you buy, you can't buy anything with the doge coin you have in Robinhood. So when they release wallets and when you're able to take your money out, then you can actually use it. It will be in circulation, be able to use it. And that would help, you know, rise the price of those coins as well. That's one of the things. Another one is, I mean, there's a mission to the moon. And Elon Musk, like a literal mission to the moon.

And Elon Musk has Space X completely funded by Dogecoin. And. And the name of the rocket is Doge 1, and it's going to the moon, and they're putting a doge coin in the rocket. No, in fairness, I'm a huge fan of Elon Musk. He does say a lot of stuff, though. He does. And there's some stuff that he says, and then he keeps pushing it off. The Tesla Roadster is a perfect example.

And I was a little bit upset when he said, we're not getting a cyber truck this year, and we're not getting a roadster this year. And instead of just acknowledging, hey, we just have other priorities right now, it's like, hey, let's look at this robot over here. We're coming out with this new robot. And in my opinion, it's almost like, hey, let's hide this. But here's a robot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, if you're trying to hide a toy from a dog, you're like, here's this toy over here. Oh, that toy.

True. I feel like he's kind of doing that with everybody. True. So, I mean, the doge one, I'm not sure if that, what if that doesn't happen? I mean, there's also, there's always a possibility that things don't go according to plan and some things happen. And, you know, that's more of a marketing thing, more of like an awareness thing. like Dogecoin will be on the headlines again and all that. As far as the Robin Hood Wallet situation,

that's more of like an actual real-world use case for Dogecoin. So that's more what I don't you think that would lower the price, though, because right now people are holding on to it. So they're taking Dogecoin out of circulation, driving up demand because they're holding on to it. But if you're able to use Dogecoin as a currency, all of a sudden I'm paying Jack for, you know, what he earns in Dogecoin,

Jack's not going to then pay his groceries in Dogecoin. He's going to sell the Dogecoin and then get cash for it. So even though I'm able to transact, the other person isn't going to hold Dogecoin. They got to pay their taxes. They got expenses. They got bills to pay. Wouldn't they just cash that out to USD? I mean, it depends, right?

I feel like if you find value in Dogecoin and you want to hold Dogecoin, I feel like those people are always going to have Dogecoin, right? If you want to buy, sell, trade, what have you. Obviously, Robin Hood opened up. opening up wallets is going to add to that and help that out. But when people want to go buy things like groceries or things of that nature, I feel like mass adoption is still going to happen over time and one day we'll be able to do that. You know, but let's say you have a card, right?

Let's say you have a visa card and you can put Dogecoin in the card and anywhere that visa is accepted, you can actually use it to be able to buy whatever you want. Do you think that adds value to Dogecoin? No, because you're buying Dogecoin. coin to put on the card to spend money in doge coin so it's like you're making it complicated it's like if you're taking usddd and the end gold is to buy a product you wouldn't buy doge coin to then spend the doge coin on the card you just spend money on the card and spend it with cash well well the thing is this some people are scared of buying doge coin right but if you were to use a car to be able to

use it and cash and get those coin rewards back you're holding doge coin in a sense right i do you think that the net change of something like that would probably just be more people holding dogecoin like sure yeah if you get paid in dogecoin you'll probably sell to convert to usd but at the same time there will be people that don't sell inevitably it's not like every single person immediately as they get the dogecoin is going to sell some will hold for a little bit some will hold for a while yeah and yeah but surely yeah some will convert to usd i don't know i i still feel like those coins a good form of currency i feel like it can still be used in a day-to-day basis over time. And I feel like eventually that will rise, even if it's slowly, slowly, you know.

And just checking, you're still holding all of your Dogecoin? I am. So everything in Robin Hood that I bought, I still have. I've obviously bought dips and what have you over the months and stuff like that. I've traded those out and I've bought other. I actually hold a lot of different coins as well now. It's not just Dogecoin. You know what would have been, well, I was about to say you could have structured it

in such a way where you tried to tax loss harvest, but I realized it a lot. Well, you would have been able to have done that a little bit. Yeah. Did you do any of that or no? No. Okay. So how much Dogecoin is it that you currently have? About $4 million right now.

And I want to get that up. I want to continue to buy Dogecoin as I go, especially now when it's really low. And I want to get at least $5 million at one point. And just kind of hold on to that. That was actually my very first goal when I first bought into Dogecoin. I was like, I want at least $5 million. because I feel like it's easier to do the math that if it goes to a dollar, it goes to $2 or what have you. But I have a lot.

I'm very excited about different projects as well, you know. Dogecoin was like kind of my entryway into the crypto space, into the crypto world. And now I'm just like, wow, there's this project. Wow, they're this project. Like, you know, and I'm kind of dabbling different projects and seeing other things. Dogecoin, though, that if Dogecoin doesn't go up or something doesn't happen to Dogecoin, that like, even now, is there any bit of you that would still want to be? want to sell some of it and just diversify. I feel like you mean sell my original.

Yeah. Amount. See, it's weird. I feel like that's kind of locked in for me in a way. I feel like, all right, I bought that much Dogecoin. You know what? That's what I'm holding. That kind of, because it's weird, man.

Like, I feel like that kind of is what got me to where I am today. And, you know, I feel like I kind of owe it to the Dogecoin community, too, to continue to hold and continue to diamond hand and continue to believe. even doge coin. And so I feel like my original amount that I bought into is going to remain that and I'm going to stay locked into that. And whatever I make, you know, from now on or since I did that, I'll be able to buy other, buy into other projects, look at other coins. You know, I was looking in the Cardano. I was looking at other utility coins as well to see what, you know, sparks my interest and kind of do a little, you know, more digging into those. Yeah. Why haven't you posted over the last month?

There's been a lot of things, man. There's been a lot of things. So, I don't know if you guys know this, but I had kidney stones for a row. Yeah. I heard that's extremely painful. It's painful, man. Yeah. It's like hunched over like pain. And when I first didn't know what it was, I thought I was dying. I was like, what's going on in my body?

Like, how do you first know about that? Or how did that? It was a pain. It was just like, like, okay, I went to sleep and it felt like a constant, like stabbing sensation on the side of your, like, ribs or something like and I was just I woke up in the middle of the night and I was like oh my god like what's like what is going on and just went to the hospital emergency room and they you know they ran the test and everything to the cats can and stuff and they're like yo you got a kidney stone man and it's a big one and I'm like damn like what do I do like so you know they said just drink a bunch

of water you know just it'll go away over time that hurt for a while I was you know a few weeks after that I got COVID like back to back right so I got COVID when I went home for the holidays I think my last video was right before I got COVID I put out a video it was either around Christmas time and then bam

I got hit with COVID and I was out for like two weeks and I was still back home in Maryland and then I came back here and it's funny because this happened to me and I was doing research on it so apparently a lot of people that have COVID or get COVID right at the tail end they'll get hives because their immune systems shot.

You know what I mean? So I got COVID and then I got hives right after. Where did you get the hives? It was just my full body. It was just itching. I was getting like these red circles. It was just like, what is going on with me?

And it was like that for a whole week to the point where if you guys have never gotten this, when you go to sleep, you can't sleep because you're itching. Your whole body is just itching all the time. So you can't even go to sleep. And then like I had, like I said, I had that for a week.

And then I finally finished doing that. And then, you know, we were shooting with the documentary right after that. I had to get a negative COVID test on one and got that. And then we were shooting for about a week or two, like every single day for hours because we had to wrap up the shooting and everything. So all of like these things have just been happening back, the back, the back, the back, the back, up until a week ago. So. So many, so many topics to talk about.

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dot com slash ice coffee for 20% off Gramerly Premium. Thank you so much Gramerley and back to the podcast. Yes, sir. I've been looking at places. We got a lot to break down here. So for the kidney stones,

I remember seeing a picture. I think somebody posted this on Reddit. breaking down a kidney stone under a microscope. And it is the scariest thing to look at because it looks like this spiked ball. Yeah, you know the, like a ball and chain. Yeah, like imagine like a shard of glass but with edges that come out like this.

And like that's got to pass through you on the inside just kind of like tearing stuff up along the way. Did it get dissolved or did it like... So it's supposed to do so basically a company actually I posted on Twitter that had kidney stones. I was like, sorry, guys got kidney stones and then and then a company reached out to me and was like hey these pills help it's like a herbal way it's called chunka pedra or something like that but it basically helps to break

down that kidney stone and then it's supposed to just be like sand and then you're supposed to just pee it out how do you get kidney stones is that hereditary yeah okay so here's the crazy part i wasn't even surprised when they said i got kidney stones because the very first time i had kidney stones. I was 22, 23. Wow. So it wasn't like an a, it wasn't like a, of maybe food or whatever later. I'm sure things, you know, play a role. But it's definitely hereditary. And I remember growing up, and after I forgot my first kidney stone, I was like, I'm so young. Why am I getting kidney stones? And I remember growing up, my dad having them all the time. So I was like, oh, well, that makes sense. So it's definitely hereditary. But I'm sure food and what you eat and drink also, you know, play

role. Gosh. Tell us about the documentary. Documentary. I'm super excited about this. Tell us about it. So the documentary team reached out to me last year around the time the New York Times thing happened, right? And I actually had three different documentary teams reach out to me to want to do something, right? Super exciting. One of them was from the UK. The other two were here. And I started just kind of shooting with everybody.

I'm like, hey, guys, yeah, sure, let's do it. And I'm shooting with them, shooting with them. And then it got to a point where it was like, all right, I'm going to have to make a decision here because there were like a lot of, I guess, how do you say like a conflict of interest because one documentary team is like well we want exclusive to your story and then if you're doing stuff with the other two documentaries it's going to like dilute what we're trying to do here and if we if we go to Netflix or we go to HBO Max or you know any one of these places they're going to want to know if this is an exclusive story if there's going to be other documentaries coming out about it as well right so I had to come to a point like maybe a month or two

into it where I was like all right like the documentaries team reaching out to me like hey you're going to like which one are you going to go with and I I ultimately decided to go with the one I'm with now, Optimist. And shout out to Chris, Chris Temple. He's the director. And we've been shooting every single month since then. And they just been following me along. They were the ones that came to your house.

That was them. I just felt like he had the same vision that I had for the story, like shedding a positive light on crypto and on Dogecoin. And he had my best interest at heart. So I went along and went with him. And they've been following me along this journey. You know what I mean? And every SNL they were there. They were filming behind the scenes on the SNL.

You know, at your house when I went to meet with me, Kevin, and we walked around and did, you know, our video. They were there for that as well. And just every major event that's happened in the past year. Interesting. So what they want to do is film this entire thing and then pitch it to different networks to see who will buy it. Well, they've already been in that process.

I see. So in the very beginning, it's independently funded because they want to have full creative control of what they're doing, right? So if Netflix has a Netflix original and they're paying for it, They're going to want it to go a certain way. They have their people, their producers, right? So this was independently funded from the beginning. So they have full creative control.

And since then, they've been pitching the networks. And so I'm actually, I don't think I'm allowed to say where they're going to go, but they already have a place that they're going to. What if we bleep it out? Can we bleep it out? Well, okay, I'll say this. I'll say the two major ones that they're going for is Netflix and HBO Max. And so they're in talks with them.

I don't think they've vaccinated. officially close the deal with either one of them, but those are like the main ones. Can you say like how are you making money based off these? Off of what? The documentary? Yeah. Well, you're not allowed to make money. Well, it's a, I forgot what it's called, but there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a,

a phrase or something along those lines where if you, if you're doing a documentary, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's frowned upon, Well, you're not supposed to pay the main character of a documentary because then it's like, wait, is he acting? You know what I mean? Like if you're doing a documentary, you're not supposed to pay the actual people in a documentary. Did you have a lawyer review the contract? No, I haven't. I mean, I haven't like signed. I haven't signed the final official document.

That's impossible. That's impossible that they would have invested that much of time and resources without you having signed a document. document that gives away your rights. Well, I signed some. So. Yeah, but there's nothing lingering. There's the, by the time they start filming and investing in you, it's signed. There's no, like, so we're backing out, you know, at the very end, I'm being like,

no, I don't want to do this anymore. So what's the purpose of doing this documentary if you're not making money from it? Well, the purpose is exposure, right? It's brand awareness, right? Got it. So, like, for me to be on Netflix on HBO Max, there's awareness brought to my brand and who I am as a person. And then obviously my YouTube benefits from that, my social media accounts benefit from that. Yeah, I'll tell you, I worry that when you had three, you know, two or three different companies all at the same time, like kind of circling you, that was your point to sell the rights.

You don't have to get paid necessarily for the documentary itself, but you're selling the rights to your story. And one of these companies could do that exclusively. I think that's worth something. No, for sure. It definitely is. Well, there's a difference, too, between me selling my story, like my lifestyle. You know what I mean versus me selling What happened to me in Dogecoin?

You know what I mean? Like that's it's a pretty big story It is a big story and I guess it plays a role in my life story, right? But it's not like I haven't sold my exclusive rights to my life story. You know what I mean? So okay. But yeah It's it's interesting. It's fun. Yeah. Are you excited to not be followed around like different places like how many hours per day do you think they're with you shooting and everything?

Oh, it's not like every single day. Oh, it's not like a reality TV show. No. It's like major events, right? So when we went to your house, they shot that. When we went to meet Kevin, they shot that. SNL, they shot that, right? So the Pokemon thing we went to.

Remember, they were there for that. So they've just kind of been following me in all the major, you know, events within the last year. But my story is kind of intertwined within the documentary, right? So ultimately, it's more so about the meme economy and how it went from GameStop, AMC to like crypto, dogecoin. You know what? worried about. And I think, and I think it was about six to eight months ago, I was, no, it was early in the year. And I really believed that, that there was something to be said about a value of a meme. But I am worried that just like any sort of cycle, that even though there is value, it's only valuable as long as it is a meme.

And as soon as that interest fades away, can it come back? Dogecoin has come back a few times. but I worry that maybe the meme wave has somewhat dissipated, that it was big last year. Do you think memes are going to be gone? The meme investing economy, I think, could potentially see a bit of a downtrend. I don't know because it seemed like so many people were really into it last year. And that that was the trendy thing. And I'm worried that even though there is a value to all that attention,

how long could you sustain that for? And maybe that could be sustained for a few months, weeks, even years. But at what point do you really look back at that, you know, 10 years from now? Were they able to transition away from a meme and into something more permanent? It's definitely going to be a challenge. You know what I mean? Like I don't think it's going to be easy, peasy. Like all of a sudden, Dogecoin is going to be used everywhere, currency everywhere,

and all of a sudden it's a stable, whatever. You know what I mean? I feel like it's kind of a work in progress. I just really believe, like you said, value in memes, right? I truly believe there is value in memes. There's value in going viral. There's value in being everywhere, right? Like communicating with memes, right?

So I don't know how often you guys send memes to each other, but I send memes to my friends all the time. You know what I mean? And it's one of those things that's kind of how we communicate. And with Doge Quinn, I remember you also saying, you know, the meme, the Doge meme, like what if that fades out? Yeah. To me, it was more so a representation of memes in general.

And I feel like memes are always going to be around. I don't think like as far as meme investing or specifically like GameStop, you know, related kind of things that could have a downtrend. I completely agree with you. But also a lot of people were thinking Dogecom is going to go right back to where it was, you know? And it's like several times over more, you know, prices are a lot higher than that. Yeah. So I feel like it's over time the next two years, the next five years. there's always going to be a place, I feel like, for Dogecoin because it was the first original meme coin.

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And even though things are down, like I said, the whole crypto market is down right now, I absolutely am bullish on Floky. and I feel like they have so many things on the horizon that the potential is so incredible. Like the video game is probably the biggest one in my opinion, right? So I don't know how, no, you did a video on Flokey. I did a video on Flokey, but I haven't followed them since that video,

which was probably four months ago, five months ago. Okay, so Valhalla was the biggest thing, right? Right. And it's a play to earn NFT Metaverse video game and it's basically a game that's going to come out on the blockchain. You'll be able to actually play in the video game and make real money in it and be able to cash out at the end of the day.

So essentially, you can have a job playing a video game and that's already been proven the proof of concept with Axi Infinity. It's interesting though, you mentioned that because so many, what was disappointing about Floke was that Valhalla didn't come out

at the time where they were at their peak. Right. And so the interest has faded. And since then, So many other Cryptocurrencies have been using the same thing This Play to Earn

Business model where you can play And you could create these NFTs And beef them up It just seems like that's going to become saturated Metaverse is going to be saturated For sure And a lot of these games are going to be You know

In that realm of Metaverse Esk Play to Earn-esque type of thing You know what I mean? So with Flokie I feel like Floky's probably the strongest one in that field when it comes to, okay, creating a video game, play to earn Metaverse, where you have

NFTs that, you know, Flokey has their own NFTs that they sell as well, and it'll be able to utilize them within the video game. So there are a lot of other coins coming out with similar metaverse kind of things, and you're right, it's going to get saturated, but I feel like the strongest ones are going to survive at the end of the day. I was told over the weekend there was this game called, I think it's like Cool Cats. You heard of it? No. Cool Cats. Cool Cats. NFTs. Chris

from dumb money invested over a... I guess he invested 100 grand but he says now they're worth about $1.2 million these cool cats. I cannot make this up, okay? NFTs. Yes, NFTs, yes, NFTs, cool cats.

In the game or something, you own these NFTs and they produce what's called milk. I kid you not. These cool cats produce milk. The milk is redeemable for Ethereum that you could cash out of. So like, the longer you hold on to these cool cats,

The more milk they make That you could redeem for Ethereum To then say The whole thing, I don't get it So how much milk do they make? He doesn't know yet He finds out tomorrow I kid you not

Do they start producing milk tomorrow? One hundredth of an ether Yeah He also invested in me these things It's like 90 grand for a unicorn cool cat That's insane I know he also invested in Cryptopunks

Yes And board apes and stuff like that Correct You know without, it's funny because I remember we had a conversation and he was like, I didn't know too much about it but like I understood the concept of it, right?

And so he's made a ton of money on crypto punks and on board apes and all that stuff. So NFTs, man. I'm starting to buy into NFTs too. I just realized by the way what you should have done if you were down on flokey to have sold flokey at a loss.

Yes, use that loss to offset your gain on Doge coin. you would be completely tax-free now on Dogecoin. Pretty much everything that you would make right now would be tax-free on Dogecoin just from tax-loss harvesting because right now in the Build Back Better Act, they wanted to get rid of crypto tax loss harvesting. The Build Back Better Act right now is kind of held up in Congress.

So we don't know if it's going to be passing out. We don't know what the final form is going to be. But for the last year, you could have done that. The crazy thing is this. They want to tax you on the gains you make. crypto, right? But they're trying to take away the losses. You're not allowed to use those? I've never heard of that. To offset other games. Yeah, to offset. You're allowed to do that or you're not allowed to do that? You're allowed to do that. Okay. Yeah. Okay. It's just like any other investment,

but they want you to have a wash sale. So basically the, because right now you'd be able to sell your flokey. Yeah. Use that as a right off. Sell your Doge coin, increase your tax base, does not pay any tax on that in the process. But right now, you'd be able to just buy right back into Flokey right afterwards, there's no 30-day rule of waiting because it's considered a property and not a security or an asset. It's property. Okay. So I also realize with those coin, remember we were saying capital gains tax for me to take it out

within a year, I'd have to pay 40%. Correct. I think it's more like 50, 53%. Yes, because I'm in California. Correct. Which is crazy. Yes. But yes.

Well, the answer to that would be yes, depending on how much you're. cashing out but yeah you would be showing that you would make you have two million dollars yes you are right and then moving to Vegas right I'm moving to Vegas anyway right yeah if I stay here for how long that I don't know you'd have to talk with the tax attorney it's a bit of a gray area that if you make your investments in California and then you move to let's say Texas you sell everything off California could still claim rights to that tax that was saved because you made those investments in California and they could argue that you only move to I don't know It seems to be a gray area.

Some say a year. I've seen five years. I think with 401Ks and Roth IRAs, like 10 years, it depends. It's a bit of a gray area. So I don't know exactly. I mean, I was, I'm hoping. Yes, it would have been. Had you sold everything?

53, right? You would have, yeah, you would be paying 37% plus 13.3 plus 3.8. Sheesh. On the top end of that income. That's insane. So, yeah, 54. You'd be paying 50%. It's called the net investment tax.

And it's when you have more than a million dollars a year in income, you pay an extra 3.8%. It's a surtax, just on top of everything. That's regardless of where you live, by the way. It's just, that's the IRS. That's like, wait, that's a federal? Yes. Oh.

So your federal income tax is basically 41%, not 37. No, it's 37. If you make over a man. But it's for investments. So let's say capital gains. So I have a long-term capital gains. But it also applies to short-term capital gains. Okay.

So if you have short-term capital games, you're paying $37 plus $3.00. Right, then you could play $40. So basically, I picked the worst state to make that investment into those coin. Yes. But you would still be left over with a significant amount after tax. I mean, it's still a big amount. But yes, just half of it's gone. So, yeah, I mean, I'm planning on moving in Vegas anyway.

You know what I mean? I was just wondering if it would be like a year or like six months or something like. that it would take into effect where I wouldn't have to pay taxes. Yeah. So what's interesting to me is that your original plan was to hold on for one-year capital gains. And when is that deal? So that was the thing. Is that April?

It's got to be coming up. No. Is that March? February. Yeah. What's the date? What's the date on that? February 5th.

Oh, wow. So. Actually, February 5th, wait, are we going to be posting this on the day? That you bought Dogecoin? The day. after we're posting this February 6th. That's hilarious. So almost at the one year.

366 days since you bought Dogecoin. Yeah. And if you guys see my YouTube videos, I have the little timer. Wow. On the upper left hand corner where all every single day it would be like how many days I've been holding and it's supposed to go all the way to 365. So the reason why I said that though was because of short-term capital gains tax versus long-term capital gains.

So like any day after that, after February 5th, 2022 that I decided to cash out, it automatically goes down to 50 is it 15% instead of 2020 okay well you wouldn't pay the 3.8 because you would be cashing out less than a million assuming the price stays the same but then again you know it was kevin o'leary because i said the exact same thing and it was kevin o'leary that told me you should never make your decisions based on the tax implications okay so and it was hard for me and even now i still'm like but that taxes yeah yeah yeah yeah uh he said don't even consider the taxes that's that should not That should not be a part of your decision to not sell an investment.

That's an interesting way to look at it. Yeah. So, I mean, I don't want to say, say I've taken his advice on that because I've certainly considered the tax implications, but, you know, you would look at things differently if you didn't consider the tax implications of waiting a full year. For sure. Because that in hindsight, and everyone says in hindsight, that it ended up costing you more money than you saved. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The ride that steals the spotlight every time it hits the road, that's the Volkswagen Tiguan.

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And I don't think so. I do. I think you would be even, I would think you would have more of a presence. Now, before we go into that, I think it would be interesting to see what, like, had you sold at the peak versus waited a year, assuming the exact same price. Okay. To see what the difference would be. Yeah. So 2.8, you'd be left with $1.4 million left over after tax.

That's just cash in your pocket. That would be, we're just rounding off to 50. Actually, if we wanted to be accurate, let's do 53%. So if you waited a year and the price was exactly the same, you would only be saving $445,000. I say only. It wouldn't be more than that? No.

That's how much you're saving between... 53% versus... What did I say? 20 plus 133. plus 3.39%? 39.2%. Wow. Okay. Yeah, so you

and this is easier to explain in hindsight, but the $2.8 million was kind of held up in limbo because of $445,000. That was the difference between short and long-term capital gains in California. That's post tax.

About half million. After tax. $4.45. After taxes. I don't know why it seemed like it was going to be a lot more. No. Because the thing you have to consider, you're paying 20% to California, 3.8, or sorry, you're paying 20% to the IRS, 3.8 net investment surtax plus 13.3. 371. Okay.

That's it. But that's without, no, no, no. That's long-term capital gains tax, 37%. Okay. Versus 503. Versus 503. A difference of 15.9%. Okay.

15%. I think they would look at you as a genius. Okay. As a market timing investment genius. Because the thing is, you just need to be right once. That's it. And had you sold, here's the thing. Had you sold, you would have gotten a lot of hate for that first month.

Yeah, they would have slaughtered me online. For the first month. But after a month, I guarantee 99% of their opinions will have changed to look at you like a genius. I agree. I think the first month would have been terrible. for you. Because think about it. I was the guy saying diamond hands. I was the guy saying hold. I was the guy saying correct. But at the same time, even if you did time it perfectly and you sold and everything, I don't think that it's good for you to be seen as like a market genius. I don't think

that like because of the style of investing. Like yeah, because of the style of investing that you do do. And the appeal for me to you is that you're real. You know what I mean? And when people start claiming things like oh i'm an investing genius i'm a marketing genius and stuff like that then it loses that personal appeal like you know what i mean i feel like i wouldn't say that but people probably but you know what but you know how i knew it was a good decision um is when how many people commented even on your video and on our video at the peak or at when you're at like 2.2 million how many people say to sell how many people were happy for you to have made a life-changing amount of money and to sell those so many people those people weren't doge coin holders though those

Correct. Those people were probably just finance fans. Correct. Right? But to appease the Dogecoin community, you've essentially spent $1.8 million. Yeah. You've just, you've basically taken that and just flush it down the toilet just to appease those people on the internet who were going to comment, oh, this is bad. Why did you?

Why did you do this? I feel like in a certain way, I would also feel bad because I would feel bad to be like, Hey, Jack, hold your doge coin. Don't sell it. And then I sell it. And then Jack loses a bunch of money. I'd feel bad. Like for me to do that, for me to go ahead and cash out, I would have to make a video right before.

And then like, hey, guys, I'm going to sell everything. So if you're holding Dogecoin right now, sell everything. No, you never would tell people to sell. You would just say, hey, guys, no, you wouldn't. People would be, if honestly, all you need is a 10-minute video guys made $2.8 million. More than I need for my entire life. I don't want to take the risk. Sorry, I told you to hold.

No. You could say I didn't expect we would ever be here. My initial thought was that it would take over a year to get to this point. It took us three months. I don't want to take the extra risk. Now is the time for me to focus on other. Like, I'm big into music. And this allows me that to pursue music and my passion.

And thanks to Dogecoin, I was able to do this. I think, yeah, some people are going to be upset. at that but the vast majority of people would look at that and be like that was a responsible decision yeah and I think at the end of the day no one could hate on that the thing is this at first everything was all good right I have people saying oh that's what's up yeah I'm holding too blah blah and then like as those coin goes down and these people start you know losing money then it seems like they kind of turn on you and they get mad at me and stuff like that and start you know saying negative comments and things like that and then when I'm like all right

let me look into other projects because I'm not going to be dogecoin dochecoin my that's it for the rest of my life. So I'm looking at other projects and I start looking at flokey and stuff. People start turning on me from that. And they're like, oh, you're a traitor. You're only supposed to be about Dogecoin over here talking about Floki. Like, why do you love Flokie so much? Like, oh, is this, you know, a scheme or something like that?

Like, like, I've gotten a lot of negative comments because of that I have a lot of hate too because it's like if I'm looking at other projects or even Cardano when I started buying a Cardano, what are you doing? And I'm just like, it's like, you can. can't please everyone but I seem to get hate either way yeah I remember you know what's interesting is I started getting all of a sudden your videos recommended again you're our videos that we did together yeah iced coffee hour clips of us get recommended now out of nowhere on the home page wow and I watched one of them and one of them was about me saying

how quickly people can flip online and they'll love you one day yeah and then the next day it's just they'll completely 180 yeah and once you get that momentum of just like you know people get upset everyone else loves to get upset with somebody else because it feels like this this uh you know camaraderie yeah exactly we could be in a group together we all think the exact same way we could be upset at the same person and share that experience

share those emotions with one another negatively against somebody else how do you switch is how do you deal with it I just accept that like I don't know I hate to say it but like every week I'm like mentally it's like this is last week I've been doing this for five years now Every week. Last week. Does this still affect you? To a certain extent, yes.

But that's why I saved so much. It's just like, well, last week. I try, I mean, I really try my best to be as like neutral as possible to stay in the middle of things. And, you know, really just to focus on finance. I think at the end of it is like personal finance investing. It's not a lot of room for emotion. Just talk objectively. And the more I talk objectively, the better it is.

Because I try to, I try to respond. You know what I mean? Like, I'll see a negative comment. And I'm like, no, that's not true. You know, and I'm trying to like prove my point and everything. And then I get caught in this whirlwind of like trying to like. If people are posting negative comments that you think aren't well-founded, realistically, whatever reasoning you do with them is not going to solve it anyways.

Okay. That's just what I've learned. If you see like a really well-written out message that's like very detailed, you can kind of see their point of view and stuff like that, you can't reason with those people. But a lot of the times if they're just like attacking your like physical appearance or they're attacking like other random things and you can tell like, based off of like their wording and stuff like that.

If it's not well structured, there's no reasoning with those people. I've tried. And that's the other thing too is that, and this is interesting with Kevin going through the same thing as well, with him selling. Yeah. And if. His Tesla, right? Everything.

He sold everything. He sold, yeah, yeah, not just Tesla. But when you hold, or you become like an ambassador, let's just say to Doge coin or really anything, it could be anything. It doesn't have to be Dogecoin. It could be water for, let's just say. and you're pushing for water and water's value is going down and you're pushing for water and just like people are losing money with water they'll get upset at a certain point yeah be like you misled

us yeah even though you know they were choosing voluntarily to follow your advice yeah so you know sticking with one thing like that you're going to get that backlash if it goes down so that's why i was thinking well at least if if you cash out pretty much everyone at that point was in profit. It would have been hard to lose money. Even if you had sold at the peak, I mean, people were buying in at that price, but fewer of them were underwater or were in the red. Yeah.

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Save the everyday with Amazon. It just felt like the right thing to do, man. Like, when I was in the mix and, you know, everything was happening, it felt like this is the right thing to do. I should hold this. I believe in this because I do. Yeah. You know, truly genuinely do believe in this. Dogecoin.

And this one day will pay off, if not today, maybe in a year, maybe in two, maybe in three, you know. Do you have a plan if it doesn't, if it doesn't pay off and if Dogecoin slowly just well, that's why. It's back to and it pits back to a penny. I'm thinking this. My plan would be one of these other projects that I'm invested in will do well, right? So even if my initial Dogecoin buy-in just keeps going down for whatever reason, it never gets to a dollar. I'm still heavily invested in other projects and I'm still hoping that something else takes off as well.

Do you feel like sometimes, because it seems like every time you and I talk, you're constantly met with criticism. You're constantly met with people saying what you're doing is wrong. What you should have done is this. It seems like a lot of people are trying to dictate your actions and maybe tell you that you made wrong decisions. How do you think that affects you? Does it make you more gung-ho with your positions? Or do you think that like, how does that affect you, let's say, mentally? The thing is this, I feel like I'm generally a very open person, right?

So it's open to criticism, open to, hey, you should have done this or you should have done that. You have people that are just block off everything is whatever I want, haters, haters, and even if you're wrong, you can be completely wrong, right? I feel like when I say something, like sometimes I say stuff on Twitter or whatever, where people like kind of attack me. And I always try to like take a step back like, okay, let me look at what this person said, like objectively, right? And see is what they're saying making sense or not?

Or is this pure hate, right? And I always evaluate everything. And that's taxing, obviously, because you're sitting there trying to reason everything in your head. But I feel like I'm a good person. I try to do good. You know what I mean? I try to help people. And it's hard trying to like,

almost second guess yourself in a way. Like you're questioning like, wait, am I a good person? Like this person just said this and this person. You know, like, and you're really sitting there like,

it's like pull and tugging at your like mental and heartstrings because it's like you're trying to always do good things and people always find a way to find some negative in it. And it makes you second guess yourself all the time. So it sucks. Yeah. Mentally. And it takes a toll on you,

Man. Like I like never would I have dreamed that one, I'd be in this position. Two, that it'd be a market. It'd be a place of such, it's so polarizing, right? Crypto, like, it's not something that's sound and, you know what I mean? It's way different. Crypto investors from stock investors. Just the communities alone. Things go up. Price go up. You're a genius. You're awesome. You're cool. Thanks for telling me about that coin. You know what I mean? Like, prices go down. You're an idiot. You misled people. You're a scam artist. You know what I mean? Like, it's crazy. It's crazy. And what about people constantly telling you things like you should have sold? Because it seems like every time you come on this podcast, it's a very similar theme where like, you should sell, you should sell.

I'm sure people are always telling you stuff like that. How does that affect you when people say that you should have done this? What I should have done. Yeah. I always try to take everyone's advice and everything everybody tells me in comments like with a grain of salt, obviously. But at the same time, I see the points that they're making and some of them are very valid. You know, and then you sit here and you're like, wow, I could have had $3 million.

Well, not $3 million, one point, whatever. Yeah, we're called one and a half. One and a half versus this. And then, and then, you know, that takes a toll on you too. Because it's like, but I believed in something. You know what I mean? Like, but I had conviction. But, but I want this to do well and to be the future.

And it's like, it kind of, again, second guessing yourself. You're like, wait, was I right? Was I wrong? Maybe, maybe the same person who bought Bitcoin at $1,000. bucks saw it go up to 17,000 didn't take any profits dropped all the way back down to 3,000 and just rode it out and it went to 60,000 and now they're a genius three years, four years later. You see what I'm saying? A lot of people were called very stupid when they bought in Bitcoin and myself included, I started buying Bitcoin at 17 and that was like the peak of the market and I was really curious about buying in and seeing what the hype was about.

I bought in and it helped me understand. Now, I only invested like 20 grand, so I wasn't going on. But it helped me experiment with what crypto was and get introduced to the whole concept. Even back then, like, Ethereum was, I think at the peak, Ethereum was like 900 bucks or something like that. And then it dropped all the way down to like $100 something dollars, and everyone with crypto was over it for two to three years. I worry two things. One, that that isn't guaranteed to happen again. And I think as the crypto market gets bigger, it's going to get more stable.

And we're going to see less going from, you know, going to. a thousand to 17 to 3 to 60 instead we might get to see like okay one from 30 to 70 down to 40 to 80 down to 50 to you know a little bit more stable but then I also worry that in a way your image was so wrapped in doge coin that you were the doge coin guy and without the doge coin what what was your brand you were brandless then you were the dude who sold dogecoin yeah you know yeah no for sure and and so okay so when you bought bitcoin 17000 You saw a drop all the way back down to, what was it, 3,000, right? Did you sell it all?

So I sold, so I don't remember exactly. I sold Bitcoin at 175. So I wrote it 17, sold the 175. And then I was an idiot, and I basically put it all in different alt coins. Yeah. The biggest one, I was such an idiot. I bought, it used to be Ryeblocks, rebranded as Nano. And then now I think they're coming out with like some other branding of some sort.

I don't really follow it anymore, but I bought NANO at like a dollar something or like $1.50. And it went all the way up to, I think it was like $40. You take any profits? Nope. It fell and fell and fell and went back down basically to where I bought it. And at that point, I lost everything. I still hold it to this day. You know, I'm not going to cash out at this point.

But yeah, I learned the hard way on that one. It's just that's not. That's never something that. at all deal with again. If anything, I do honestly find it pretty admirable that you did stick to your guns. Yeah. And you, you stayed true to your principles and you held. Like, that is pretty impressive, just on a personal level.

Maybe not as an investor level. Yeah. Or, you know what I mean? Or as a financial person, but I think that's pretty. And I honestly hope people see that too. You know what I mean? I hope people see that, okay, this guy came, came out here. He did this thing.

He said he was going to hold. and he stuck it all the way out. Your integrity is worth more than $2 million or whatever maybe. You know, I don't know. I feel like people, I feel like I hope a lot of people see it that way as well. How are you making money now? Because you quit your job the last time we spoke. Yes.

So YouTube. Okay. I make money on YouTube. I also make money selling merchandise on my website. And I also have started working with a company, actually like a tech team for the past, I want to say six months about now. creating a doge card. So it's essentially a visa card where you can put in doge coin and be able to,

wherever visa is accepted, be able to use your doge coin. And in real time, it'll convert the doge into fiat and pay the merchant in the amount of money that the item you want to buy. So I'm creative director over there and I've been kind of working with them pretty closely. So yeah. It's a bunch of little things. I guess I just don't understand the converting.

Dogecoin because I just think if you're going to sell it, you sell it. And then you don't have to worry about like I'm going to buy this thing and I don't know where it's trading at the time. I guess it's more of the fun factor. You know, I have a card with Dogecoin on it. It's got visa. I can use it wherever Visa is accepted. I put I put Dogecoin in there.

I use it to buy. And then instead of cash back like a bank card, you get those coin back. And it's, you know. You should make a medal. Everyone. No, I do think that there is actually original. I know. I'm saying I think that that actually makes.

makes a difference in the appeal is metal versus plastic. I feel like we're eventually going to run the course of metal. I know so many people that got the Apple card strictly because it's metal. They don't have a metal card. Every the prime card is metal. What's going to be next? What's going to be next? All the Amex cards are metal.

After metal, what do you think the next thing is going to be? We're going to go to stone. Just regress. No, it's funny enough that you say that though because we are thinking about coming out with a metal card as well. Okay, cool. Like have two versions of it. Like you have the basic plan on. on the Doge card and then you can have a platinum version of it, you know what I mean?

Yeah. But I'm super excited about it. I just want people to be able to use it and like, I can use Dogecoin to buy whatever I want. And, you know, and think about this. If I'm in line, we're at Target, right? I'm in line right in front of you. I whip out a card. It's got Dogecoin on it, right?

And I'm buying something. That's a conversation. You know what I mean? Is that a Dogecoin card? Like what? You know what I'm buying this with Dogecoin? Yeah. I almost think that we're going to go back to Morseau phone payments.

I think it could be a lot more common. Yeah. I mean it's. many times or I forget my wallet. It's also integrated in Apple Pay. There we go. It is only a matter of time, though, for sure, that we have everything on our phone. Car keys plus payment, everything.

Yeah. Which technically, if you have a Tesla, is pretty much that. Right? The keys and the phone. Yeah. I've never carried that actual key on me. It's just always my phone. Yeah.

Sorry, guys. I have this, I'm hand holding the camera here. But have you guys seen that they started making credit cards out of wood so that they're more eco-friendly. It's like bamboo or something like that. You could sell it. You could sell the metal, little metal strip through it, but the rest of the cars made what I would love to see.

No, I haven't. I'm just saying, you know, it wouldn't be impossible to do that. I would love to see just different stuff like that. Just different materials being used. And maybe we go even higher and we have like cars made of like, glass would be neat. Oh, you know what you'd be able to do. You drop it. And it's done.

Reinforce. I dropped my credit card and broke it. It just breaks me as a mess on the fly. You need to get a case for the card. It's so funny. It's a case you drop it. You know, it would be interesting to have, like, you could do acrylic. You could do, like, uh, vinyl.

What? Vinyl. Lather. Yeah, you could do. Yeah, you could do. Yeah, you could do. Yeah. Sapphire.

So, fun. Yeah, just use opal as, like. Like that's the car. It's like some rare crystal. Yeah. Moon rock. Yeah. What's that material in phase rugs countertops gram?

Oh, onics. Onics. Yeah. Onix cards. Yeah. No, I love it. Meteorite. That would be the credit card to get.

Have you seen, like, they have meteorite dials on watches, and it's the coolest thing ever. Like literally out of space. Yeah. It looks really cool. Just the cost of creating a card made out of media. It's got to be American. Yeah, that's like tier three. Pass black card.

Yeah. You can buy anything with that. Yeah. But yeah, tell us, are you comfortable talking more about your income sources right now? Sure, I can tell you guys roughly how much I make per month. Yeah. Okay, so right now, obviously it ranges because of YouTube, right? So I'm making roughly anywhere from $15,000 to $25,000 a month, which is good, right?

That's a lot. What do you mean? It is good. But you haven't posted in a month. No, I haven't. This month has been not good. But before this, for example, my biggest month, I was made, I think I made $9,000 on YouTube, which was when I'm like on top of my game. You know what I mean? Like, I'm posting a video like every day. And I'm talking about Dogecoin. I'm talking about flokey. I'm talking about, you know, whatever else I'm invested in. That was, I want to say, December. Yeah. So that's, you know, that's kind of written over in January or whatever. But I feel like with this year, I really want to like, up things to another level. You know what I mean? Well, you said $9,000 in a month.

On YouTube. But I thought, oh, so we're talking. Okay, yeah. So 15 to 25 is everything. Everything. Okay. Merch and what about, you know, the job I have. Sponsorships, promotions, stuff like that.

Like I was doing stuff. I did a promo for cereal. You know what I'm eating cereal. Cereo. Like, mm, delicious. I love this cereal. It's so tasty. Guys, go get it.

That I did a sponsorship for like coffee brands. It was a subscription. coffee where like you tried different types of yeah i think it was trade coffee yeah that one they sponsored me in the good old days before uh you could go to bankrupt coffee dot com and vitamins uh republic i think it's called it's basically ritual ritual uh mults ritual yeah ritual let's see you know yeah they've sponsored us thank you ritual so it's the as the vitamins multivitam and i'm like you know guys i eat a lot of taco bell so to you know to subsidize all of um um um vitamins I take this delicious pill but um it's not delicious but it's good for you but um that

what else did I do uh skill share yeah do you worry though that by taking a month off combined with the market going down it it's not going to be the same going in February because ad rates are also down across the board 20 to 25 percent finance you every everywhere across the board every single YouTuber I've talked to ad rates are down significantly more than any of the this is the biggest drop I've ever seen across any of the channels in the last five years. So, like, comparing just January to last January to January before? Yes, the biggest single month drop. Wow.

Yeah, this is the worst January in years. I had no idea. That's crazy. That's crazy. I was just always like, okay, as soon as I jump back on the train, you know what I mean? Like, I start posting every day. Like, I'm going to be super, like, on top of it. Every single day we're talking about something.

And, you know, I'll make another $9,000. No. I got to tell you, man, I'm really worried that you take that much time off. Yeah. Here's like, ruined your channel. I've seen so many. And, you know, some people say, oh, yeah, you know, people could come back. I have to see, at least in finance, everybody that's taken about a month off, your channel is a fraction of what it used to be.

Wow. I've seen this time and time and time again. The only exception, I would say, is Nate O'Brien. The only, but he's a partial exception. because he posts so infrequently anyway, and all of his videos are evergreen. So when he posts a video, technically it should be doing well for the next year.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's the only one I've seen that could post once a month and do okay. What is the longest you've gone without posting a video? Five days. Max. Max. In the past five years.

Yeah. Maybe the very longest was a week, but that was only because I think my Tesla video took off. And I, knew if I posted another video that newest video is going to get the recommended and not the Tesla video so I purposely waited for that Tesla video

to settle down before I posted another video because I've tested so many things every time I post a new video the previous video stops getting recommended because YouTube is more likely to promote the latest video on a channel okay that's so interesting

video isn't better in your not 100% in cetera that latest video is better than the one prior to it screwed it's got to be a better video Yeah, that's why I know, like, with some of these videos that I post, I've, like, I've had other videos ready. Mm-hmm. And the day of, I'm like, I can't post the other video because it's not better than my previous one. Yeah.

And it's either I have to make a video right now that's better than that, or I cannot post? And I make a video that's better. So do you still use the other video or you don't? I could post it later. Okay, cool. And it's funny because I talked to Andre about this. And I was like, what's the longest you've been without putting out a video? He said, I think he said, seven days.

days, a week. And I was like in the last three years? Yes. He said yes. Yes. And like that, that shocked me because I mean, I've been on YouTubers all the time and people go away for a week or two. They go on vacation, whatever, come back, right?

Like, how do you take vacations? You don't. Or you have to pre-plan your content ahead of time, which I'll say is impossible, especially in finance because there's so many new things happen. It has to be relevant. Yeah. You can't post evergreen content for a week straight. Your audience will not find it interesting because it'll be like Evergreen.

They want something in there that's urgent, that's news related, that is for them that day. Okay. So you haven't gone on vacation? I've gone a vacation. Five days, Hawaii, but I worked so hard to pre-plan out videos specifically for the time that I was gone around a holiday. Where if I didn't post on a Friday, it was going to not be out of the ordinary. Wow. Okay.

I honestly didn't realize like that's how like. You have to. Yeah, you have to. Taking a month off is basically like lighting your channel on fire. Okay. Really, really, really bad. And you'll notice you'll get penalized by YouTube. Oh, so they'll stop recommending my videos.

And here's the thing, yes. So already you're penalized by not posting for such a long time. The only way to recover from that is by making a video why I disappeared from YouTube. And that's got to be your title. You have to make a video like that addressing where I've been. Okay. Why? I think why I left YouTube or why I disappeared.

from YouTube. Okay. Why I stopped posting on YouTube, like something like that. Okay. And that's got it. That's a good idea. That video has to be good because you have one chance. Yeah.

That video bombs. You're done. Thumbail is you just looking right into the camera. No emotions. Hands down. Kind of sad. Yeah. Yeah.

And be honest. And you better be brutally honest with that video and answer everybody's comments. Yeah. Look through your comments. Yeah. Address people. And you don't want to make it like an apology, but like, explain. what's happened to you.

Yeah. And then from there, every video after that has to be perfect. Yeah. Like you have no room for error right now. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay. Well, I also feel like I have a little bit of some wiggle room in comparison to you

and Andre because your videos are so information-based and, like, well-research, deep dives into whatever it is that you're looking into. And my stuff is more like fun going, you know what I mean? Like lifestyle, like, hey, what's up guys? Let's talk about Dodge coin. I worry. You have such an audience where. They'll click on your video, pause it, and just go to the comments to see what people are saying.

Yeah, yeah. And that'll really hurt your watch time. Because you've got a lot of people watching clicking, not watching the video, comments, leave. Do you think that's why YouTube took away the down, the thumbs down thing? I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't.

People could just check what video. Oh, this has a lot of, you know, thumbs down. I don't want to watch the video. It's, they do have a point that people do dislike or, like, cancel certain creators. I think they're really leaning away from the cancel culture because they do. Do not want to be known as the platform that's like cultivating that sort of thing. So I kind of get it on that sense because you do see all the time. It's interesting when someone will make like an exposed video, everyone will go to the other person channel.

Dislike it. Oh, so you're, okay, okay. Yeah, but that creates drama on YouTube. And if they're functioning as a business, they would probably want more drama because it creates more. Bad for advertising. It's a bad reputation. That's why they got rid of a lot of the prank channels, the drama channel. They didn't want to be known as like, you know, we're creating.

this fostering this community of drama. They want to be a place that people could go to that's free of that, that's respectable. It's just entertaining and educational. That's what I think. They want to be a safe community for everybody and having these mobs of people being like, oh, we're going to dislike this person and dislike this person.

Yeah, that's not healthy. I don't think so. So I kind of get it from that aspect, but then I also liked being able to see dislikes on certain videos. Certain kinds of videos. Like if I want to learn about, Let's say I want to learn about blockchain, right? And I find a video, and I'm hoping this video is going to teach me everything I want to know about blockchain.

But the video is just terribly done. It doesn't explain anything. I'm going to sit there for five minutes and waste my time because at the end of the video, I didn't learn anything. I'd rather know it's dislike ratio, right? To be like, oh, this isn't an informative video. I like it to gauge the sentiment of the audience on certain topics. Like if Jeremy, let's just say, I'm buying Bitcoin and 50% of the people dislike the video. I asked me that why?

Why 50% of the audience not like it? This is audience different? Why are they investing in? They're not crypto people. They're not crypto. But I like to see that gauge. And I used to look at the like to dislike ratio and like everyone's videos because it's interesting to see how that creator is viewed.

And when they have a positive like to dislike ratio, it's like, okay, people like their content. What are they doing right? Why are people liking the video? I like to look at that. And now I don't get to see that. So it's... Do you guys think it'll come back?

No. Wow. I think it would be nice if they made it optional for the creator to decide. Because wasn't that how it was for a while? No, but then they'll single out every creator who decides to hide through dislikes. Why are you hiding? Why are you hiding it? Because then it stands out even more like to show it.

If you really, if it doesn't matter that much, show it. What I think they'll do eventually is right now you could see the dislike, but it doesn't really do anything. I think at some point they'll just remove it entirely. It'll be more like an Instagram where like you don't have the option to dislike. Well, like, I thought what, where it helped was, was the recommended section, right? So if a video gets a lot of likes, it gets to the recommended section versus a lot of dislikes. No, I don't think that necessarily impacts recommendations or not.

What's interesting, though, they never had dislikes on comments, which I, I wished we could see dislikes and comments. So they basically did the same thing with comments on videos. I mean, that was never an issue with comments, was it? It was like, oh, I can't see my dislikes on comments. I was always curious about that. The only thing I've noticed with dislikes and comments, the most disliked comments are the ones that show up at the very bottom. Yeah. Always.

So at least the disliked comments get pushed down. Yeah. And then the good comments. Yeah. Yeah. So there's got to be some sort of ratio on that. Yeah. That's crazy.

So. Yeah, man. I got to get back on the, back on the dose coin train. When are you going to post a video? Tomorrow morning now. So I'm in Vegas. I'm going home today, right? And then tomorrow morning, I'm going to wake up and do a video.

Yeah. Be careful about this video. See, now I'm like thinking because of what you said. You're like, all right, well, address it. You should film it. Talk about it in that seat with that camera. That would be such a good angle, wouldn't it? And then you could say, and if you want to know more, February 6th, check out the ice coffee hour.

Why I left YouTube. Look at how good that is. You look good, man. You look really good. You guys want to know something else? Sure. I got Botox. No way.

Where? On my forehead. Watch this. Isn't that crazy? Wait, do it again? Are you trying to raise your eyebrows? Yeah. I didn't even notice.

Yeah. Well, here's a funny thing. Oh my gosh. I went there. It's part of the documentary. So I went there. I sat down, the surgeon's like, what are you here for?

You got great skin. And I was like, thanks. He was like, how old are you? I was like, 34. He's like, no, he's like, you're 28. You're definitely not 30. You're like, you have great skin. And then he's like, let me call my skin guy.

So I guess he's got a skin guy. And then the skin guy comes in and he's like, how do you think this guy is? He was like, oh, 27, 28. He's like, no, he's 34. He's like, that's crazy. You have great skin. And so I was like, thanks. And then I got Botox.

It's true. I noticed when you came and sat down. I'm like, you have such nice skin. And I think I've noticed that before. But this time especially like, dude, it's really clear. You're like, I appreciate it. Now, what is it like? Did you have wrinkles on your forehead before?

You guys never gotten anything, right? No. Okay, so basically I don't have wrinkles on my forehead, but this is something they call preventative Botox. So you get it done so you don't get wrinkles on your forehead in the future. So it basically like freezes up the muscles that would create wrinkles, right? And then you don't get it in the future. Is there a risk to it? Yeah, not good thumbnails because you can't do that any more.

So Botox is actually probably one of the safest procedures. there's hardly any risks. I think the major risks are if you mess around with it too much. So, for example, let's say, like, he's got 11s, right? Elevens are the ones that are like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So let's say I get, you know, full forehead done or whatever of all Botox. And the next day I go like this and I f***.

And I rub my forehead, right? There's a chance that it could spread if you're rubbing it while it's still like taking shape and taking place. So that's why the surgeon says you have. seven days where like don't go out in the sun don't like mess with your forehead like just let it go to the right places and then you're good and then you're supposed to get it last it doesn't wear off it does so you're supposed to get it done every six months and here's the crazy thing they took two twins and they tried to Botox with both of them right and so the first twin no Botox at all the second twin got Botox every six months they did this for 10 years at the end of the

10 years one one looks significantly younger than the other one like 10 plus like 15 years. Was this something that you were insecure about before? No, it was just something I've always tried to look into, you know, just because like I said, I don't have a bunch of thick lines on my forehead. It's just like, I'm afraid in five years I'm going to have like crazy. I don't care what you looked like before because now, because you look normal to me now. Yeah.

I don't remember. Because I have the wrinkles. I'm sure you can see like that. Yeah. That and then I squint a lot. And because I squint, you see like, yeah. Yeah. This bothers me.

And it never bothered me before. And I think it was about a year ago where I started seeing myself on camera, especially the vlogs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That, I hated it. And the lines, like, they crease after all, because sometimes in the sun I'll squint a little bit like this. And they stay there for a little bit. And so... Have you looked into something for that?

So what I started doing is I started taking, like, a skincare routine that Macy gave me. Okay. And so I use retinal cream twice a... week and then I've been moistizing my face every single day hoping that the moisture decreases the the wrinkles this would have to be a procedure gram this would have to be I don't know if it's Botox or what it is but there's something there and the crazy thing is this if you get it before it gets too deep it almost reverses the process so so it's funny I was talking to Dylan so Dylan also got Botox and he was like man I was starting to get lines so I went to get Botox and after a while the

Dylan Dylan Dylan right Dylan yeah I'll just yeah yeah yeah so that's Like the lines kind of went away. He got Botox? Yeah, he did too. We just had outed him on here in the body. I didn't know this is like a common thing. I didn't know that. Dude, do you what?

It's called brookx sometimes. What? Because, you know, it's different. I know what we're doing for the family episode. Oh, my God. But check it out. Check it out. I also.

Wow, I had no clue. I also was thinking about getting a hair transplant. Okay. So like, I'm starting to see, like, I used to have like, my hair line was like perfect. And within the last like two years it's kind of like gone up a little bit and I'm like, dang, man. You should start with finasteride. Okay. That's what I started taking.

Okay. And then and then, but the thing is that once you stop taking it doesn't just everything. So is there another procedure or is there like? It's not a big deal. It's one pill every single day. And aren't there side effects to finasteride? A small percentage of people have side effects. And I was really, really, really worried.

That's scary. I was terrified of the side effects because it's like. you know, well, you could, you could just look it up if you want to say the side of it. And you get a small portion of people claiming they've never been the same after taking it. Wow. But, but yet, I've spoken with other people who have been on it and they say, I don't know, anybody else. I've talked to maybe 10 people who were on it. And like, it seems like everyone's on it.

They don't talk about it. But only one person said they had side effects and they stopped after a week. And then they were back to normal. So I figured, you know, I'm going to try it. Take it very, you know, day by day. Yeah. I have not noticed a single difference at all. Okay.

But you can tell the difference in your hair. Yeah. Basically everything just stopped because, yeah, my hair was thinning. Have you ever thought about getting a hair transplant? Yeah. Okay. See, I, I've considered taking something for my hair. Your hair line's fine, though.

Well. Oh, Jack. Wait, let me see your... Come on, Jack. Gosh. See, I have, like, the corners. But, you see, I look at your dad, and your dad has, like, a... Perfect head of hair. Yeah, and so does my mom's dad. Well, then there's come on.

What are you doing? But no, you can see. Do you see on the corners how it's going on? And if I grow, what I've noticed is if I grow out my hair because I generally grow out my hair very long and I cut Every time I grow it long. The hair starts to be heavy because there's like longer strains of hair and it pulls and then I feel like I'm balding because I'll feel up here. I'm like oh my god, I'm balding. I'll be like oh my god, I'm balding. I'm like oh my god, I'm balding. I don't. I wouldn't do anything. I'm I would say you're too young to look into that right now. I would say look back at it at like 28 to 32 and consider it that time. I'm not too concerned about it. Literally every single time I get a haircut, I ask the hairdresser. I'm like, am I balding? I do.

Are you serious? I swear. Yeah. And every, like, I will say one. It's so, it sucks so much. You know what it is though. You know why.

If I look at you right now, I'm like, your hairline's perfect. Yeah. Right? I don't know. I didn't know Jack six years ago. So like, so like you probably look back to when you were 17, 18. Straight as I know exactly Same thing with me

So you guys meet me now And you're like You look fine But I know what my hairline looked like Eight years ago I'll say look into finasteride Okay Yeah look into that first

Have you heard of red light therapy? What's up? No So it's like these light These like red lights That they kind of You just put it right here For about 20 minutes

And what it does Is it stimulates the blood cells up here So your hair will grow So it's that And it's a microneedling too Kind of stimulates the Okay The blood cells

One thing that's That's kind of interesting to me is you decided to get Botox for your forehead, but at the same time, in my opinion, as a guy, I think you'd probably look a little bit better if you, like, maybe, I don't know, trim or shave. And I don't know what's like, it seems like you're like, you're like, I don't know how to frame it this way. I know, but I know you as a friend, you wouldn't be offended that I say that. That's why I'm exactly.

That's why I feel comfortable saying that. And I wouldn't be offended if you say something like that to me, but I feel like if you were to clean up a little bit, the beard and the hair. I think that is like that would do like tenfold what Botoxi. You would look, yes, you would love 10 years younger by getting a haircut and trimming the beard. 10 years. Do you think go to your length or do you think a little bit? Sure.

I think, yeah, like like shape. Yeah, and I think you may realize you're not balding if you do that too. My thought would be do a slightly shorter than my hair. Okay. Not long like Jacks, slightly shorter than mine. Yeah. And I would keep some of the beard, but trim it down to like, oh, A little bit longer than what Jack has.

Yeah. Just maybe like a week. You look like Dan Bilzerian. Let me. I'm going to show you guys a picture of me when I had that. And you tell you guys tell me what you think. Hold on. All right.

Really quickly. Jack, let me see you there right. Yeah, but see, a part of me thinks it's like wrinkles add like, like, like, like personality. I'm cool with my wrinkles. I like the smiling wrinkles. This thing right here, my dad has it. I'm cool with it. I feel like they're a bigger.

Fish to fry. No. You look like a model. Come on. Do that again. That looks so good, dude. My hair used to look like. You look incredible.

And that beard? You don't worry about, too. That's the one like, you got to keep him away from. I'm airdropping that to me. Keep him away from your girlfriend, your wife, your daughter. That's incredible. Oh, my gosh. I mean, if I was to get a makeover, I'd probably be like that.

I think you look so good. that. I mean, you, you're a good looking guy clearly. So, and in this that, wait, let me see, I want to look at the Do you have you seen this, Alex? No. Alex. Are you seen?

Oh, I'm sideways. Wait, you prefer that or this? Oh, you look so good. You prefer this. Dude, you look like a bodybuilder. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. That, you need to do that. Yeah. Well, I mean, I'll, you look like a, like a male model.

Like, I, like, I would see you in like Zoolander on the cover. Your beard. The thing is, your beard is perfect. Yeah, that's the beard. That's the perfect beard. That's the length of the beard. I actually, the hair got, I think, I don't mind the long hair on top, swooping it over.

You're getting a call from Inglewood, by the way. I don't mind that the hair swooped over. Yeah. Dude, come on. Why wouldn't it? When was that picture taken? Two years ago. Yeah.

I think you're a gorgeous, man. Thanks, Jack. Now, why did you decide to grow out the hair? I grew the hair out just because I was like, I don't know, man. I can't even come up with a reason. I was just like, I'm just going to grow it out. Like, okay, here's a funny thing. So that very first video I've ever did on my Dogecoin channel, my hair is a lot shorter.

I don't know if you guys remember, but like my beard wasn't that long either. The year before that, I shaved my whole head off and I shaved everything. And then it just started, I was going to grow it all out evenly. because my hair's always been short here, how you saw it, right? Short here and long on the top. And I was like, let me just grow it out evenly and then see what I want to do with it. And I just kind of grew it out. Dogecoin thing happened.

And I was like, I'm going to just keep it going. It kind of fits with the theme. It does. If you, if you didn't have this look at the peak of that, it's true. It's true. But you know what would have been funny had you sold Dogecoin at 2.8 and then like the next week. Seriously. And then you showed like, hey, guys.

So there it's going, hello, salutations. Yeah. The Rolls-Royce in the background, like sipping champagne. Out of Malarious. I mean, I like the idea. I'd have to really think about it, though. What's there? Let's think about it now.

I feel like you're over-clothed. I don't want to have a place to get my hair cut. I'm not going to cut it by my... What do you mean? No, no, I don't want to just shave my head off? Supercuts? Supercuts? Supercuts would take probably 25.

I got my ear cut at supercuts before. There's a place. It's called Great Clips. I was bleeding. Great Clips down the street. It's five in its way. It's where I get my haircut. $10 hair cut.

You guys got a great clips? Or 15. Yeah. It's $15. Yeah. It's a haircut there. I get my haircut there. I get my haircut there.

Alec dot his haircut there. Who do you ask for? I don't know. It's just two over's there. Different person every time? Yeah, it's interesting. At great clips, they have a log of what they've done to your hair every time you're there.

And so I did a new person and they logged in the community. They go, oh, Graham, okay. So we see we used a three. The last time. The last one. Yeah, we see like you did a three on the last one. And then we did like a, you know, we cut your hair on the top with the scissors

this length do you want the same thing? Yep Alright let me put that in the computer here Okay perfect She got me the exact same haircut That's hilarious That's been the same experience with you Yeah

Yeah Okay I just ask I would like What do you think would look good And go ahead and do it That's what I say Yeah Jack got a haircut last time

I liked this haircut a lot Your hair's cool Yeah Thank you I like your hair Thank you I actually like your hair too To be honest

I think it's kind of my curls. Yeah, I like it. I think it's cool. When you do that, it makes it a little, I don't know, questionable. Yeah, that's funny. That's what's up. Man, I'm excited for Vegas, though.

I'm super excited. Yeah, it's going to be good to see you. Yeah, it's going to be good to see your hair. Like, great clips closes at 7 p.m. 7. And two hours. You have time to get your hair cut before even leaving, and then all you have to do is trim the beard.

No pressure, though. It's just a strain. touching my hair. Really? Well, you go to a different person every time. What? Well, if I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it right. You know, I'm not...

It's not that. Listen, hair is hair. It's going to... It's going to go back. I'm not particular about my... It's... You're like, you don't want to let a stranger touch your hair, but you let a stranger inject you with Botox.

Put a needle in your skin. He was a surgeon. He owned the company. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And they're professional hairdressers. Like, they have their license hung up there.

It's all they do all day is give hair. So you've never got a bad haircut there? No, I have not. And I've gotten bad haircuts before. And, you know, funny enough, the worst haircut I ever got was from a, I paid this guy like $120 in Beverly Hills to cut my hair. $120 to cut my hair in Beverly Hills. It was the worst haircut I've ever got.

I hated it. Did they buzzed you? No, it didn't buzz it. He just gave me a crap. He just gave me a crappy haircut. Absolutely the worst cut I've ever gotten was from that guy. I did because I felt bad I never went back to him afterwards

You got a bad haircut at the Great Cliffs please I've gotten to bad haircut Fantastic Sam's Is what is the name of it Not a great clips Probably not I don't know The one haircut

The one here is good I've been to great clips back in my hometown And I went to like super cuts Great Clits That's what I'm saying I've been a super cuts In Great Clips before And it's just like always a bad cut

No it's not always a bad cut It's just occasionally you'll not get a great cut But it's like $15 And for the most part It's good haircuts and if they give you a bad cut you can always fix it it's not like it's you know making a breaking year your style yes you're putting way too much thought into this yeah i'm telling you man for your brand and you can choose not to listen to us i'm telling you this will do wonders for your

engagement your audience will not view you the same doge coin is down this is a chance for you to reinvent yourself it's a new year you took a month off that's true this helps explain why i've been gone to see such a transformation between uh you know november and January. Gosh. I've, I've, I, what? I have not posted this year. I just realized. I know. That's what I'm saying. Because my last video was right before the new years. So I'm down, because I was thinking, did I post new years? No, I posted like a video or two right before the new years. I was telling my mom's house, I just got COVID the day after. So that means, yeah, this would be my very

first video of 2022. This is a good time to reinvent yourself. It's, because you only get one shot at this one, because if you, like, start posting normal videos, then like, you get a, makeover yeah yeah yeah it has less of an effect you started you just got to start it off fresh

okay so I'm telling you man how about this I'll pay for your haircut not not the tip no tax no tip I'll give you $15 shorts a haircut if you get it

tonight before they close if we go there right after this and I'll Venmo you the money for that $15 oh I'll consider it Graham you're not gonna go he's not gonna go

but but we tried I feel like this is gonna be the same thing as getting you to sell the edge coin Getting a haircut On the same level

It's on the same levels We're not gonna We'll get Kevin on here And Kevin's like You gotta get a haircut Man How about How about you just

Get half a haircut Just cut it halfway You know what Kevin That makes sense You're really good at explaining that Not gonna do it But It's not gonna do it

But just a half haircut For those to know The joke Kevin's advice was to sell Half the Doge going And keep the other half You guys don't like the mirror though No

I don't know. I mean, I think it looks cool. You've never seen me without it. That's what it would, you've never seen me without it. No, I haven't. I think it looks cool. You don't even know what my jawline looks like.

No, but we've seen it in the picture. I think it's a cool look. Like if I was creating someone in like Skyrim. I think I think I would definitely. Yes, I think it's cool. Like I would definitely deck them out like that.

That's like level. That's a great sound clip. You know what I mean? Creating someone in Skyrim. Yeah, I think it looks cool. It's a sweet look. Thanks, man. Graham's like, it's not sweet.

He's never going to come back now. I look like I'm from Skyrim. No. Probably making someone to Minecraft. They look just like you. You can't make people in Minecraft. All right, whatever. Jack's like boomer.

If you were in Axi, Infinity, man. Next level. You were a cool cat. I think it's a rad look. I actually, the hair and the beard, the link together. All right. You guys are awesome, man.

Come on. Thank you for coming on. I can't wait to be out here. I'm moving officially next month. And so my very first day in Las Vegas will be March 1st. So I'll be around. It'll be fun.

Got to play more ping pong. Yeah, I got to get better. Where are you moving? I'm like by the airport but also like halfway halfway from Andre's to the airport. Got it. So I want to move in with Jack.

Do you want a room? I mean, what's up what's up okay so the only issue is I need to check with other people yeah but I do have two rooms available oh two I have two rooms available

yes I have to check because I have someone Gavin who kind of wants to move in and then I have George and George's editor that wants to move in so three people that want to move in with two rooms available but I'll check with them I'm still down okay well I mean why don't we play ping pong too for the room deal you'll have to take it up with them deal no that's how I saw Jack we were playing ping pong

He's really good. I'm not good at all. I'm trash. We'll work on that. I'm good at soccer, though. So if you guys ever want to play soccer. Indoor soccer team, join the league with me. Let's do it.

I'm all about it. I'm really good at soccer. I'm Brazilian. I have to be good at soccer. If I'm not good at soccer, then, you know, I'm, like, banished from Brazil. Deal. Okay. Graham?

What? You want to join? No. You're not good at soccer? No. You've never played soccer? And with that said, you guys. Make sure to visit bankroll coffee.

com. Do you ever play sports? I'm just curious. No, what are you? No, never played sports. Graham would be good at rock climbing. That's not a sport. Well, well, technically.

Badman. Yeah, no, I'm just not into sports. I never got into it. I'm down for the soccer. Indoor soccer league? All right, let's do it. Spring league. Seriously.

I'm serious. How much is it? I'll give you the money. I don't know how much it is. I'll sell some doughchmer. I was going to do it in the winter, but then team didn't work out. How about this?

Let's end off with this. Okay. Give us some predictions for Dogecoin over the next year. Okay. We'll be able to look back at this in a year from now. Just whatever you think. Okay. I'm trying to be conservative here.

No, I think Dogecoin next year at this time will be around 40, 50 cents. I feel like that's reasonable. What is that based on? Based on Robin Hood, wallets based on the Elon Musk rocket based on mass adoption based on the visa credit card I'm coming out with based on I don't know just I feel like it'll it'll slowly build up okay we shall see anything else Jack I think I'm good what do you guys what do you guys think Bitcoin will be in a year oh man I I would say man I would say anywhere between 20 and

100 grand I I don't think think it's going to yeah that's like literally everything you can't get it i don't know it's going to be between a penny and a one dollar it's your honest answer though here's prediction for late january of twenty twenty three bitcoin would be at sixty thousand dollars that's a great prediction yeah it's worth it guessing it's just like it's not guessing a random guess educated guessing that's i don't know i don't want i don't want to i don't want to give a price because it could go down it could go up i'm just uh a year from so much going to happen in a year you guys both have bitcoin and Ethereum.

Yes. Nothing else? I got a little bit of doge. Yeah, you know what? I still have the doge coin that I bought a while ago for that like button challenge. I put 10K into doge coins down

like four. Oh, okay. You want to something funny? I did the math on how much I put down and I put in $250,000 in a doge coin at $4.5 cents, right? If I had to put $250,000 in a doge coin four months prior or five months prior,

October of 2020, two-tenths of a penny. That would have been 125 million doge coins which would have been at this price point at 13 cents, $15 million at an all-time

high of 75 cents that would have been $100 million. Oh, but you can't do. You can't say that. Oh, yeah. It's just fun to look at. Yeah, everyone's like,

ooh, if I invested in Bitcoin when it was a dollar and I invested in $1,000 and I invest in a thousand dollars and it, yeah. It's just a silly thing to do. Is this what you spend time thinking? late at night, like, if I

like, if I'm trying to this. That's exactly what I do, before I go to sleep. And you look at the Charby, like, if I bought this date, I'm so sad.

I'd be like at the peak it would have that. Gosh. Yeah, that's me. Oh, God. Every night. I had 555 million. If I had just bought it

when it was created. Oh, I got in. Yeah. Oh, man. This is a lot of chips. So with that said,

you guys, thank you so much for watching. We'll link to your info down below in the description. You'll have to check out your channel to see if whether or not you have to makeover. The Doge Queen Millionaire. I'm not going to hold my breath. We'll see.

We'll see what happens. Make sure to subscribe at the like button. Feel free to get a free stock down below in the description center for public, bankroll coffee. We got the mentorship group as well if you want to come chat with Jack and I. Basically every week. Every week. Come hang with us for an hour on Zoom. Every week.

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That was fun. That was so much fun. I really enjoyed this.