The Iced Coffee Hour - “They’re Liars!” Fitness Expert on Steroids, Losing Weight, & Building Muscle! | Jesse James West

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Starting point is 00:00:30 Now, in terms of fitness, I'm curious, for people that want to get started, where do they begin? I think the biggest thing is taking action to get in motion. If you don't have motivation, it's like just step one, get up. So training with some of the best coaches, the best bodybuilders, what's a common thread you see amongst all of them? Honestly, I think it's like the passion. I relate to that heavily because I push myself very hard because I enjoy it and I have passion and everything I'm doing. Luckily, I've constructed my life to be able to do things that I enjoy. Go, go, go, go, go.

Starting point is 00:00:59 I got this. And I think when you're really passionate about something and then you combine that with hard work, it's like the golden duo. That's where a real success can come. What about Liver King's Challenge? I'm curious, was that the hardest thing you've done in your entire life physically speaking?

Starting point is 00:01:13 It's basically off-roading with this weighted sled. This freaking guy, man. What's a question you wish more people would ask you? But I think we all should ask people this stuff, which is like, how are you really doing? And not just questions to just, like, talk. So you're seriously going to quit YouTube? Jesse, thank you.

Starting point is 00:01:37 Thank you so much for coming on the iced coffee hour. We really appreciate it. Thank you. I'm just missing my iced coffee. We can just imagine for a second. We asked you if you wanted some. I know, I know. I've had way too much caffeine already.

Starting point is 00:01:47 Really? Yes. How many milligrams of caffeine do you take a day? I have a coffee in the morning. I have an energy drink for sure. And then hopefully not a second coffee. So I would say three to 400 milligrams. If I'm traveling, I have a rule where just I don't count the milligrams.

Starting point is 00:02:02 That's not awful. I mean, one venty drip coffee from Starbucks has 400. What size is venty? I just say mediums. I don't know. I think it's like 20 something, 20 ounces. That's terrifying. It is very terrifying.

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Starting point is 00:02:21 Send it to him. So one thing that you're very great at is pushing yourself past your limits. You've done this on plenty of different challenges on your channel. Why do you think most people don't push themselves to the limits and how can they find their limit?

Starting point is 00:02:33 I think finding your limit comes from other people pushing you around you. Like obviously you can push yourself so hard, but when I surround myself with someone who, let's say they train harder than me, you know, I've trained with Mr. Olympias, I've trained with exercise scientists. I've trained with coaches of Mr. Olympia, like literally Seabum's coach. I've trained with him. And I push myself so hard to a certain degree, but then you train with somebody that trains way harder than you and it opens up like a new realm in your brain. You're like, wow, I was not going as hard as I could. And I played

Starting point is 00:03:03 sports my whole life. So for me, pushing myself always, one, it comes from my dad. He always pushed the hell out of me for sports. And then two, you know, you got coaches that were always pushing you to be a better player on the field. And I feel like being surrounded by people that want the best from you really instilled from a young age for me to build those habits of pushing myself. Now I kind of can do it on, I do do it on my own. I don't really need someone to push me. Like I, it just habit and habitual. Do you do it every workout? How often do you like find that zone? I would say almost, let's say 95% of my workouts are definitely training really, really hard. And then also just my brain is kind of wired to be like all or nothing.

Starting point is 00:03:44 Like I'm very black and white. So it's either go to like ultimate death on a set or like go to ultimate death and trying to grow the YouTube channel or don't do it. Yeah. Well, one thing I heard from you that I really liked is that when most people get to their limit where they think they have nothing left, they actually have 40% more left. Yeah. That I thought was very interesting. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:04:03 So I was getting trained by these Navy SEALs during college, and they said that to me. They said it to the whole team. And I'll never forget that. It's something that I think we all need to think about. I still have to remind myself, like, we have more in the tank. And, you know, when it's something that you want to happen, like, say you want to be a successful entrepreneur. It's like when you're working really hard and long hours and you're tapped out for the day, you know, you probably have a little bit more in the tank that you can get out of the day. And same with sports, same with weightlifting.

Starting point is 00:04:31 you know, you're pushing yourself, you think you're done, but you really do have more in the tank. And it's a good reminder to always remember and just tell yourself, like, what if I have 40% more? And then try to do that. So training with some of the best coaches, the best athletes, the best bodybuilders, power lifters, what's a common thread you see amongst all of them? Honestly, I think it's like the passion. I think they're all doing it out of passion for whatever sport or industry they're in. And I relate to that heavily because what pushes me besides, my habits of, you know, being pushed by others and forming discipline over years all drives from

Starting point is 00:05:07 passion, you know, like I push myself very hard because I enjoy it and I have passion and everything I'm doing. And I think that that's what I find as a very common characteristic and a lot of successful people that I've gone to know with, filmed with, trained with is like they love training. They love coaching. They love their sport or whatever it might be. You know, whether it's an Olympic athlete that I've trained with, you know, or it's Chris Bumstead. or Erz Kalasinski or Ramon Dino, those are the top three bodybuilders in classic physique or were Sebo, I'm obviously retired, but they all...

Starting point is 00:05:39 Is he actually retired? Yeah, I mean, I, maybe he comes out of the, out of the woodworks, not retired. Could be a marketing ploy, you know, I'm retired, but then he comes back once more. I think didn't Tom Brady retire, like, several times? A lot of bodybuilders will retire, and then, like, four years later come back,

Starting point is 00:05:53 just because they love it. And, like, that's the same thing. It's all passion, you know? And I think when you're really passionate about something, and then you combine that with hard work, it's like the golden duo of just that's where that's where a real success can come. Yeah. So how does the average person know if they're pushing themselves hard enough in the gym?

Starting point is 00:06:08 I think you got to find someone at the gym, whether it's a stranger or, you know, a friend that you can see. They clearly go hard, know what they're doing, no more than me, and either try to train with them or just be like, I see it. You know, if you can visually see someone pushing themselves that hard, I don't know. put your phone down, film yourself. Are you going that hard? And that's a really good way to judge kind of like how hard you are going. I think people don't realize because a lot of, a lot of training nowadays is, there's a lot of, it's more of like a niche terminology of like RIR reps in reserve or RPE rate of perceived exertion. It means how hard am I pushing myself out of a 10? If it's a nine, that means I have one rep left in the tank. And I think a lot of people train like this thinking,

Starting point is 00:06:55 oh, they're like, uh, I have one more. That's where I'm supposed to stop. But in real, they probably could have pumped out three more. They just think they're at that like 90 percentile. How much of a difference does it make getting those last few sets? Because I heard, maybe this is just a myth that most of the muscle growth comes from like those last few sets. I don't want to say anything and like be quoted because I'm not a scientist. But from my personal experience, I have seen the best results on the last few reps and really grinding out till failure. Like that 10th rep, you cannot get 11th even if a gun is held to your head.

Starting point is 00:07:28 That's full failure. I don't think you need to do everything like that, but I think there's a few times in a workout that you should push yourself that hard. And that's going to tell you how hard you're actually going. You know, if you're failing on Rep 10 and you cannot get Rep 11, well, now you know where your baseline is.

Starting point is 00:07:44 But if you're putting the weight down and thinking yourself, oh, I have one, I probably had one more, you know. Did you, though, or did you have two or three? You do a lot of challenges on your channel. I love watching them. Thank you. What was the hardest challenge you've done?

Starting point is 00:07:56 I'll give you two, because I've given one on another podcast, but I want to give you a different answer. First one, the hardest one to finish was the Liver King. The second episode I did with him, he had me do this barbarian. You drag 400 pounds a mile through like sand, rock, dirt, and grass. Horrible experience.

Starting point is 00:08:13 We'll never do that again, thankfully. Second to that would probably be the marathon. I think it wasn't as hard in terms of physically, like my body wasn't shutting down the way it was because it wasn't 110 degrees. It was 110 degrees with Liver King, so I was having heat strokes. But with the marathon, it was a new challenge that I have not felt before. I'm not, I've ran all my life in sports, like, you know, get on the line and do sprints or, you know, jog to get better stamina.

Starting point is 00:08:42 But doing an actual marathon, 26.2 miles, my legs never burned so much in my entire life. When I finished, so I finished, I dropped to the ground, and then I was limping for like a week. Like my hip, I could not lift my leg, like picking my leg up just to walk. I was just dragging my leg for like a week. So that was a, that was like, that was a new type of hard. And that was really, that gave me a lot of respect for runners for knowing. And I mean, that's why a lot of runners are not built the way I am. You know, they're maybe more slender thin because when I pick up my legs, there's an extra

Starting point is 00:09:19 15 pounds each step versus if I was fit 20 pounds lighter, 30 pounds lighter. Of course, I'm going to be running a little quicker. with, you know, skinnier legs. Yeah. What about Liver King's challenge? I'm curious about that. That was, was that the hardest thing you've done in like your entire life, physically speaking?

Starting point is 00:09:33 Yeah. Yeah. Like that is number one. He, no, he watched. He watched. Yeah, he watched. So how did that make you feel? Does that make it harder or something?

Starting point is 00:09:41 I was just like this freaking guy, man. But has he, he's done it, though? In the heat though. That was the, yeah, but this one is, so he's done the barbarian, which is just on this straight gravel path, like a pavement. So metal on pavement slides decently easy. But this is called the barbarian. in crucible. It's like a challenge that he made. It's basically off-roading with this

Starting point is 00:10:00 weighted sled, kettlebells in your hand, stuff around weights on your ankles, and a backpack with 70 pounds is like 400 pounds total, and you're dragging this through sand. So when you picture sand, you know, running in sand is more difficult because it kind of has that give. It's the same thing. When I'm walking, it's giving on my feet, and then it's also building up behind me on the sled in front of the sled. Like, you know, it's sliding and the sand's just piling. So there's like maybe another 30, 40, 40. pounds of resistance just to the sled. Yeah. Not fun.

Starting point is 00:10:29 He wanted Jack and I to do that. He did. But with the same weight. And I was trying to tell him, there's no way I could lift the same weight as Jack. Just from a body mass standpoint. It doesn't make sense that I should be, you know, taking 400 pounds, the same as you taking 400 pounds. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:10:45 So he invited you. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. He wanted to get a bunch of creators on it. Yeah. And a lot of people said no. A lot of, it scared a lot of people.

Starting point is 00:10:53 So when I was doing it, I was having a heat stroke every like 30 minutes. by the end of it. What do you mean heat, like, what is that like? It's 113 degrees outside, but I'm freezing cold, and my sweat is just completely white. Like, I have, like, you know what you're in the ocean, you come out and you're dry and you have, like, white stuff on your clothes or something or your hat? It was the exact same thing, but on my entire body, like, you could literally, like, scratch off salt. Because my body just let out all the electrolytes. So, I'm on the ground.

Starting point is 00:11:23 I'm freezing, but it's 113 degrees out. I'm kind of like not sweating anymore. And they're just pouring water on my body just to keep me like at a normal temperature. And I remember telling them I was like, I can't do this. Like I'm I'm out. Like, and I never, I don't quit. I haven't this. I've never quit a challenge in my life.

Starting point is 00:11:42 And now I have still not because I completed this. But they were like, you are not done. Because they knew if I didn't finish it, not a single person was going to do it. Because I'm like the fit guy, you know? If, if Jesse can't complete it, you guys are definitely not going to say yes to it. All the other YouTubers that, you know, our, like, runners are not going to do it. Because it's like, it's heavy. Right.

Starting point is 00:12:01 You know, it's lifting. It's like, you have to be really strong to do this. And I think Eric, Eric Decker, Iraq, he did it. He completed it in a time that I was like, do they make this easier? Because it was after me. I think they realized we have to make it easier. And they made it easier. Local news is in decline across Canada.

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Starting point is 00:12:44 CBC News. Because Eric was like, take that Jesse James West, like, I got a better time. He got a better time than you. There's no way. I mean, he's pretty fit. He's fit, but like, it was like probably 90 degrees, maybe 80 instead of, you know, 113, which makes all the difference. How are you always so fired up?

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Starting point is 00:14:08 NetSuite.com slash iced. The link is down below in the description. Thank you so much, NetSuite, for sponsoring this podcast. And now let's get back to the episode. How are you always so fired up? I think I just, I've always had a lot of energy. Like my parents said to me how when I was a kid, I was a pain in the butt because I, I, I, I was like, like I tell my parents how my dog is as a puppy. And I'm like, he's crazy.

Starting point is 00:14:29 He's running around on the couch, not listening. And they're like, hmm, I wonder what that was like. And I was like, was I like that? They're like, yeah. So I've always had a lot of energy. And then also, luckily, I've, you know, constructed my life to be able to do things that I enjoy. So I thoroughly enjoy, like, I mean, I enjoy talking. I enjoy filming.

Starting point is 00:14:49 Like, I love filming. So it kind of gives me that energy. I'm definitely an extrovert. So when I'm out in public and filming and stuff, like I, I'm, I have a harder time filming alone than filming in public and around people or with strangers. It just feels weird. But I'd say, you know, it stems from passion, like I said in the past, about other people that are, like, successful in things.

Starting point is 00:15:10 So I think it really is just I love what I do. I want to keep doing it. And I have a drive to keep going. So like, when you guys ask me to do a podcast, I'm like, hell yeah. You know, like, come over. Let's do it. That's interesting. I thought you were going to say, like, caffeine or something, or because I'm so fit.

Starting point is 00:15:25 I probably have so much more energy that I can dispose of. What I find interesting is you craft your world around you of things that you want to be doing all the time. So it's like easy to stay fired up. Yeah, yeah. A few things you don't want to do. Yeah, that's, I mean, because I've I've lived a life in the past when I played the cross in college. And I live that life of doing things that I didn't want to do. And, you know, I've always been the happy, smiley guy.

Starting point is 00:15:48 Like, that's something I feel like that will always be a part of me. But that passion energy, it's like a different. energy. There's like regular energy and there's like passion, excitement energy. I didn't really have that when I was playing sports in the later years of playing sports. In the beginning, I definitely did, but by 18, 19, 20, I was over. Why do you think that was? So I've noticed this about myself that since I was a kid, I would get really good at whatever said thing was. So it started with, it used to be skateboarding as a kid and I would get really good. And everyone's like, dude, this kid, like maybe he'll be pro one day. I'm like eight. I get to a point of, okay, I'm 80% there to being like unreal and like really, really good. But to get that 20% more costs me 50% more energy or something than what I'm currently doing. And it's kind of always been like a ratio of do I really want to put in that 50% more to get that 20% in getting better at something? So I had the same thing happen with lacrosse. I was committed from the age of 15 to play Division I'm lacrosse on like a $260,000 scholarship to Lehigh University.

Starting point is 00:17:01 Like 15 years old, I'm verbally committed to a university. Can they back out of that if they wanted to? They could, but it was kind of like, I'd have to mess up and get in trouble, basically. But it would be pretty like messed up or if their coaching staff changed. Sure. But I took lacrosse to the level where I was top 100, no, top 120 in the country and I was number 37 at my position so like out of all the attack men I was ranked 37 in my grade and so I got to I got to like the 99th percentile like even less 99.9 percentile of the sport you know it's very there's

Starting point is 00:17:38 only a hundred of us up here and for me to take it to the next level I would have to basically you know put in that 50 more percent or sacrifice 50 percent of my well-being life whatever my social life, whatever it might be, just to get that, that small gain. And I was like, you know, I don't really, I don't really want to have to do that extra 50% effort for that little gain anymore. And then it leads me into the next journey, which is like YouTube. Yeah. So one of my, one of my, not fears, but like, I'm very aware that I will probably approach one day that 99%ile of YouTube. and then it's going to have to be a choice of do I put that big chunk of effort in to get even

Starting point is 00:18:29 into the next realm or am I going to go find the next thing? And I'm always leveling up like, you know, skateboarding just as for fun at that point. LaCross gets me into college. College, I start doing YouTube. Now I have, you know, a beautiful home gym, a house, like all these amazing things. I have a team of employees, you know, it's like it's a real job and it's, and I'm doing very well at it. So it's like when when will that sort of feel almost when will I hit that 99% With this and good thing YouTube's hard so that way that that 99% tile is quite high you know I'm not really there yet

Starting point is 00:19:02 Yeah, maybe I'm at 80 right now, but there's such a like I mean you could compare me to mr. Bees and say you're at 50 but in reality, you know, I'm at like the 80th percentile of a big YouTuber So getting that 99 I'm willing to put that work in right now, but then when I get there you know am I willing to go that little bit more? So you could see yourself quitting YouTube? I don't think I, it's hard to say, I would never say, like, I never, I don't look at lacrosse and say, oh, I quit lacrosse. Like, technically, yeah, I had to quit the team and drop out of college to pursue YouTube. But I always look at things as like milestones.

Starting point is 00:19:38 And then once that mission is complete, at least like to my liking, it's the, what's the next mission I'm going to go on? So I'm sure there'll be a day that, and I feel like almost everyone has. this day where they're like, I'm no longer going to either put in the same effort that I did once before or I don't want to do it anymore. I don't know what term I'd use at that point. I feel like, you know what I'd call it graduating? One day I'll graduate YouTube. If you look at someone like Logan Paul and Jake Paul, yes, they still post on YouTube. But do you consider them YouTubers? Not really. They're like mainstream entertainers. So my goal would be to, I'll never stop posting.

Starting point is 00:20:18 I'm sure I'll always post at least a little bit like in five years, you know, I'll still drop a video here and there. Something would really have to change my brain for me to literally quit. But I think it'll be more of a, you know, Jesse has a series on Netflix doing these things that, you know, like maybe it's a series show or something,

Starting point is 00:20:36 not like a scripted show where I'm acting. I mean, you never know, but like, you know, I do a lot of crazy things with really cool cultures and people and I think it'd be really cool to do like a Netflix show of that. Sounds kind of like Graham, actually, because he was doing the phone. I've scaled back so much over the last year and a half, two years, to the point where I kind of felt like I did everything I wanted to do. I said everything I wanted to say. The podcast, though, gives me the same feeling as I did on my main channel.

Starting point is 00:21:02 See, we don't know if that's an upgrade or a downgrade, technically speaking. It's probably technically a downgrade, but in terms of enjoyment, I enjoy this 10 times more. I mean, that's the thing, though, you have to enjoy. I think here's what my answer will be. The day I stop doing what I'm doing to this capacity is, you know, is one, someone killed me. Two, I just, I'm not excited anymore about it. And I found something that excites me more.

Starting point is 00:21:27 What that is, I have literally no idea. But I still, I would say I have a good few more years of just continuously like going. The hard part with a lot of channels seems like their audience grows up and it's really hard to grow up with the audience. Ah, yeah. That seems to be the biggest challenge. Yeah, I could see that. I definitely try to keep in mind as I grow.

Starting point is 00:21:47 Like, as my interest changed. as I'm 24, about to be 25. You know, when I was 20, in 21, 2021, I was 21 years old. You know, I was making videos, everything was about girls. Hot girl, this, girls like this, the size matter. And I'm like, I fucking cringe at that. Like, I'm like, are they still up? Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:05 All of them. I mean, they were like some, there's still some of my top viewed videos, you know, like asking girls on the, on the beach, XYZ. I had a lot of fun filming them because it's just like, you just run around the beach and dick around. It's hilarious. But, you know, I'm in a healthy. relationship. I'm getting married this year. It's like, you can't do those things anymore. At a certain

Starting point is 00:22:22 point, it's like, got to stop. And, you know, that was good to gather whatever, let's say 16, 17-year-olds were all clicking and watching that. So in four years ago, now they're like 19-20. So my content has matured as I don't do that anymore. So naturally with me maturing, I feel like I can bring my audience to grow with me. So in three years, you know, I'm going to more than likely have at least a kid, maybe to I have literally no idea but you know my content I think that's why you to allow your content to shape shift over time and not be too locked into one thing where you can kind of take your audience like I used a vlog I don't vlog anymore maybe that'll come back when I'm a dad you know I mean like not that I have no intention

Starting point is 00:23:05 to being like a dad vlogger but there might be more stuff about my life literally than viral videos and yeah maybe that'll get half the amount of views you know my My fans will still be there. They'll still be supporting me, which is what really matters at the end of the day. But I'm sure that the scope of my channel will look very different in five years than it does now because four years ago, I was a complete different creator. Now, in terms of fitness, I'm curious, for people that want to get started, where do they begin? Is it weights first or diet first? I would say, like, the most important factor of fitness is diet over actually working out.

Starting point is 00:23:43 You can work out all you want, but if you eat like trash, you're not going to see any results. You could go on the treadmill for four hours a day. But if you're going to go down a mountain dew, a two-liter mountain dew and pizza, like it literally did nothing. It's all about, you know, how many calories you're having. So I'd say getting your diet and check is most important because that's going to give the most immediate result of your body's going to either shed fat or gain fat, basically, based on what you're eating. and then when you're implementing weight training, you know, running, mountain climbing, biking, whatever exercise you choose to do, that's like the additional positive to your body. What diets have you found are the most effective?

Starting point is 00:24:24 The best diet for me personally that I've recently discovered is eliminating as much processed food as possible. And it's kind of like the whole 2025 realm. Like you see RFK wanting seed oil stuff. Yeah. Yeah, the seed oils are bad. I try to avoid them to a degree, you know, like it's in so many snacks. It's like you kind of screwed either way, but you should, I don't, I definitely would never cook with a seed oil.

Starting point is 00:24:45 I only use like avocado oil. So if that's wrong, sorry, sue me. Don't sue me, but tell me what to do. But I would say whole foods, you know, plain rice, plain meats with some seasoning and some salt pepper or some like that, you know, your classic veggies. I do a lot of potatoes recently. So for years, I always avoided pasta and potatoes because it was very carb heavy. And then recently, I feel.

Starting point is 00:25:10 found that, you know, meat, potato, maybe a veggie, solid. That's all I need, literally. People make fun of me, they made fun of me once because they were like, you eat like you're broke. And because I'll, like, my breakfast is just like two eggs, a little bit of oats. And then later on, it's just like rice, meat. Like, I don't really do anything luxurious. I mean, not that you need to, but it's just basic necessity foods. Like, if you were a caveman, you know, you're going to need meat. The nuts that you find. It's like paleo kind. Yeah, it's like just raw ingredient. Like if it has one ingredient or like three ingredients, that's great, you know.

Starting point is 00:25:47 When the list gets massively long, I avoid it. I avoid the dyes, you know, and just trying to eat very, like literally what you think is healthy. Just I think that clean food. So what differences have you noticed? Is it a physique differences, energy differences? I would say, I'd say it's all physique. I think I can eat more calories and stay leaner. Maybe it's just like less inflammation or something, but they're, my, my metabolism definitely sped up a little bit once I started cutting out all the BS.

Starting point is 00:26:17 Like, I think if you can just have the basic one ingredient, simple whole foods, your body will look better, even if you're eating the same amount of calories because of inflammation, because of just digestion, it's going to digest better because it's proper food. There's no BS in it. And I feel that with that, you'll probably feel better too. What are your thoughts on diet sodas? I mean, I don't have any problem with it. I've seen a lot of science-based people say how there's literally no problem and no long-term effects through studies. Is it better than water? No. You know, if you're going to like, you know, it's the same thing as a protein shake and a steak, you know, one, they're both going to get you your protein.

Starting point is 00:26:55 One's just a little more processed. One's been, you know, put through a machine. So I think if you can cut those things out to a degree, if you're having Diet Coke three times a day, you probably. You need to cut it down to one. But if you haven't Diet Coke, you know, every other day, I don't think it's going to affect you. Hello, I'm Patricia Goseem, Ontario's Information and Privacy Commissioner, and I host Info Matters, a podcast about people, privacy, and accessed information.

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Starting point is 00:28:13 How important are genetics in bodybuilding and getting a good physique? Everything. Literally everything. Everything? No, not to discourage people. In terms of bodybuilding, like getting on stage, everything. In terms of getting a good physique, getting a good physique, you can really push your boundaries with any genetics. You know, some people will have genetics to hold more body fat and some will be skinnier.

Starting point is 00:28:37 Like, I'm someone that probably is supposed to be 170 pounds pretty skinny. you know, or pretty slender and not too beefy. Like my dad's probably 170 pounds. I probably would be the exact same build. And like my fiance and her family, they could eat whatever they want and they are shred. Her brother is so shredded. Try to eat 5,000 calories. Just goes right through them.

Starting point is 00:29:01 So it's like those genetics do matter. You know, like you can be way more shredded just naturally your whole body fat. And also your muscle insertion. So like when you see abs, you look at my abs, abs, it's very like one, two, three, four or five six and then i have like obliques on the side and then there's some people that have one two three four and there is no six there is no five six that just does not exist on their body you cannot change that at all you if you have four blocks of abs you cannot get six i hear there's also something with like the common one is your bicep muscle insertion like for a lot of the shorter people

Starting point is 00:29:32 yeah it's a lot easier to build that peak because yeah i mean if you're if you're a shorter person you can you can put on five pounds and the percentage of body index going up. Like the percentage of your actual weight is if you put on five pounds in your

Starting point is 00:29:49 you know, five five, but you put on five pounds in your six five, you won't even see the five pounds on the tall guy because it's so spread out. Right.

Starting point is 00:29:58 And that's like, that's why I think I have a, I have a very good height for bodybuilding. You know, I'm not too tall, not too short.

Starting point is 00:30:04 So it's like 510, average height can build muscle fairly easy. Will fill out easy. But if you're like 55, you can probably get fucking, Do you small.

Starting point is 00:30:14 10 is average height. Yeah. That's average. There's no way. How are you? Five three. Really? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:21 You were telling her than I thought you'd be. Thank you. Yeah. I knew you're hype from like online, but I figure like a lot of people, they always embellish it, you know? I, you know what's funny? I feel like I'm the opposite. I don't do anything to try to look much bigger than I am. Like I, like I've taken thumbnails, photos, Instagram pictures of people.

Starting point is 00:30:39 You know, maybe I'll do a few pushups for a quick pump if it's cold. 90% of time, I'm like, I don't really care, just whatever I look like, I'm just going to take a photo like. But some people will, they want to pump up, they want to look perfect, they only take photos on one side. And I'm like, dude, it ain't that serious. Like, no one gives a fuck that much. And that's why I feel like people will go up to them and be like, oh, I thought you were bigger. But and not to chew my own horn, but people caught me and they go, you're a lot bigger in person. Like, muscular wise.

Starting point is 00:31:02 They're like, I thought you were smaller. One, I used to film with a 16 millimeter lens. Everything in the center is smaller. So I looked smaller for years. And then I started using like the 24 millimeter, like an abnormal looking one. And people comment, they're like, dude, you got so much bigger. And I'm like, no, I've always been the size. It's just I use the wide angle lens.

Starting point is 00:31:22 What do you say to people that claim that they're just big boned and they can't lose weight? You can be a heavier person. Like, I don't think someone's really big boned. Like, I don't think your bones can be bigger and you'll weigh more because you've got density. But I think that's almost something that someone can hide behind. And the truth is like maybe they just have bad genetics. And that's what they're, they've just been told their whole life. no, you're big boned, you're big boned.

Starting point is 00:31:43 So I sympathize. Like I'm never someone that's going to be like, get your shit together, you know, stop being fat. Like, I'm never going to say that. So if you do feel like that describes you, I think, you know, taking small steps to try to get some victories

Starting point is 00:31:59 and losing weight and just getting on track and just see where your body takes you. Don't have so much pressure on yourself to just lose all your weight. It takes time. It takes practice. It takes, you know, sometimes sometimes people really,

Starting point is 00:32:11 do cut out their calories and they just do not lose weight. So there are so many instances. In that case, I think finding someone that's been in that position before or is in that position and is changing and trying to find their guidance, I'm not the right person for that. You know, like, you can't come to me and say, what do I do? It's like, I can tell you it works for someone with my body type. I could tell you what worked in some people that I've helped transform, but I cannot help you if it's a scenario that I've never helped anyone with. I'm not going to give you some BS answering. Like, go, just cut your calories because maybe that's not it. Maybe your thyroid is a problem. I would honestly say go get blood work done. That's my first thing I said blood work and any health tests that you can get to see

Starting point is 00:32:48 if you actually have problems losing weight. How important is good form? A good form isn't just important for building muscle. I'd say good form is important so you don't get hurt and then prevent yourself from making progress. I see a lot of people will, you know, they start working out or they're new to the gym or they've always lifted, but their form is so bad that it puts their joints and tendons and shoulders, knees, hips into bad positions. And the problem with that is, is if you blow your shoulder out, you know, you got six months, if you tear a rotator cuff like surgery and nine months of recovery, and a lot of people do this stuff, they tear things because they don't know what they're doing.

Starting point is 00:33:27 And that doesn't just, oh, I'm just, I just hurt my shoulder. It's no, now you can't do really much with your body in a gym. Maybe you could train some legs, but you're nine months behind of where you could have been. I think training smarter and not just trying to go heavy is so important. And it's really hard for people because no one wants to feel weak or feel, you know, oh, I'm only curling the 20s. Like, bro, sometimes I still curl the 20s because I'm doing it in a way that's safe and I'm, and I'm making the weight feel heavier than it is.

Starting point is 00:33:57 That way I don't get injured. Because for me, it's like same thing. I'd be out of work. I'd be out of lifting. My body would change. I'd start looking, you know, not as muscular. So I think having good form is simply just so you don't get hurt. it has having good form can build more muscle but long term the less likely you are to get hurt the more long term progress you can make so form is really important as a casual viewer of a lot of different fitness channels and like nutrition channels and stuff like that i've seen so much dogma about like four to six rep range versus time under tension or you'll see people that say exercise for 30 minutes three times a week and just go really hard versus like five days a week and go for an hour how do you know who to listen to you

Starting point is 00:34:38 and like what is true? You can always listen to me. It's funny because so many things you're asking, I just did a video with Jeff Nippard. He came here and we filmed Busting Every Fitness Myth that like exists. And half of this stuff you're saying is in it. So I'm like, all right, sick, we chose good ones.

Starting point is 00:34:54 All right, good. But like, I think, I think people that are in the industry that definitely know what they're talking about, Jeff Nippard, Mike Isertel, myself, Will Tennyson. Like, I think you've got to look at all of the advice and find the commonalities in them of, oh, it seems to be everybody's saying that we should be training slow and controlled.

Starting point is 00:35:15 Eight out of ten people are saying that it's probably right. Like just trying not to be stupid, you know? Eight out of ten people said it's you should go slow, go slow. And then when it comes with food and stuff, so I think trying to get different opinions, you know, like you go to a doctor. If you broke your arm and you use surgery,

Starting point is 00:35:31 hopefully you go to at least two doctors if you can afford that. So they, you know, you're not getting screwed over. Same thing with fitness. If you just watch one person, you know, everyone has their own opinion. I always consumed the whole fitness space growing up. And with that, my knowledge became much easier to understand because I was like, okay, if Jeff Nippert says this, Jesse James West says this.

Starting point is 00:35:53 And Mike Yersotel says this. It's probably right. Don't think too hard. Just if three people out of four are saying it's right, hopefully they're right. They're not screwing you over. And that's where you can get good information. But it's stuff like TikTok and Instagram and Twitter where you start getting crazy. things that are just trying to sell things.

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Starting point is 00:37:05 down below in the description. Cards issued by Sutton Bank, member FDIC, terms and conditions apply. Thank you to rant for sponsoring this episode and back to the podcast. I wouldn't say it's a singular myth, but I would say it all stems from TikTok shop where I hate TikTok. So I hate it. TikTok shop, a lot of these creators that are, I don't even know who they are, but they'll get 100,000 likes on something because it's like a TikTok shop post. And it's promoting this weight loss tea that's just I'm like what the fuck like this is bullshit tea does not make you lose weight that's not that is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life all right if it increased your metabolism it's by what five calories walk 10 steps it did the same thing so it's like stuff

Starting point is 00:37:49 like that that I see because people are promoting it simply because they're going to earn commission because people will fall for it so it's like the myth would be don't fall for scammy fitness ads that are the quick fix there is no quick fix it's It's, you can't just drop weight from drinking tea. If that happened, then there was probably an appetite suppressant in the tea, and that's why you did not eat. And that caused you to lose weight. What about a Zempic? It seems like a lot of people are using that for like the quick fix.

Starting point is 00:38:17 I'm not, I'm not someone like pro-O-Zempic. I think that would be kind of dumb if I was. I think if you're someone that really struggles with food addiction. So let's say you're 350 pounds. you struggle with food addiction. Maybe you have like some health problems that are underlying that really make it hard. Your metabolism is so slowed from years of eating terrible. And you've tried everything.

Starting point is 00:38:44 You don't want to get the gastric bypass surgery or you're not a candidate or whatever. Maybe that's the route to dive into because at least being lighter and getting rid of your health problems that you have now and losing all the fat. You know, being obese is not healthy. We know this. So if you got to choose your lesser evil, if staying obese or getting skinny but you have to use this drug, what's the lesser evil? You know, that's for someone to decide for themselves. But if OZempic is a healthier lesser evil, then yeah, you know, it's better to be 200 pounds on OZempic and healthy than 350 pounds not on it and not healthy and dying one day because of it. With all that said, what is the optimal rep range?

Starting point is 00:39:28 Let me ask you, what do you think it is? To build muscle, let's say. To build muscle. To build muscle. I feel like it's to lift heavier and to do fewer reps. So I'm going to say like the first three sets are probably like six to eight. And then the last one's like four to six. I'm going to guess four to six.

Starting point is 00:39:46 Wrong. It's I think it's four. So hypertrophy is the rep range is like kind of build muscle. Yeah. It's like a reaction of how your body reacts to this type of stimulus. So that's stimulus to build muscle. is from 4 to 50. So like that's the optimal rep range

Starting point is 00:40:04 is anywhere from 4 to 50 and you can build muscle. What about the saying that like if you want to get lean muscle you do like 20? Complete mass. So you're saying like if you just did a thousand reps

Starting point is 00:40:15 of a one pound dumbbell you're going to get virtually the same results. No, so that would be too high if you did 50. If you did 50 reps, let's say 10 pounds. Oh wow. So anything over 50?

Starting point is 00:40:25 Over 50 is like what are you doing? Is the data, the scientific evidence shows that you're not going to build the muscles optimally as 49. What about cardio? What about it?

Starting point is 00:40:35 I constantly struggle between just eating less we're doing cardio. Just for putting on muscle. Well, for putting on muscle, neither of those options are good. You want to be able to either eat at maintenance, especially if you're new to the gym or eat in a surplus,

Starting point is 00:40:50 so like more than your body needs so that food will go somewhere, it'll go to the muscle. And then cardio, I mean, if you're trying to lose fat, you're trying to lose fat, You're trying to lose fat, get shredded, but get shredded. I would say, you know, you're asking for a lot.

Starting point is 00:41:05 I would say, you know, 20 to 30 minutes, some moderate cardio and decrease your calories by 250 of whatever your maintenance level is. And that's a really good starting point. You will lose weight pretty quick. How do you find your maintenance calorie? It's kind of tough. I feel like it comes from trial and error. So it's sort of, I feel like starting around 2,500 is a good, ish ballpark you know like it's not that much but it's not that little for a guy at least and eat

Starting point is 00:41:36 2,500 calories eat 1 gram of protein per body pound you are so if you're 180 pounds you eat 180 grams of protein uh your fats you know keep them above 50 lower than 70 around that mark and just fill in the rest of carbs see how your body reacts if you're dropping weight quick you got to eat more if you're staying the same drop them a little bit and how long would you test each different like i'd take like a week or two a week or two a week week and then if you notice yourself? I'd say 10 days, 10 days. And then how much in weight should you gain or lose?

Starting point is 00:42:04 Let's say you try the 2,500 and you drop, you know, two pounds. You could do the math, but me not doing the math right now. If you drop 2 pounds, it's like, you're good, stay. You're going to achieve your goal. Two pounds in one week? Yeah. In 10 days. In 10 days.

Starting point is 00:42:16 Because like you want to lose like a pound and a half a week to one pound. So you're around 2 pounds in 10 days. And but if you gain 2 pounds, it's like, okay, now you got to drop it, you know, another 250. And what about legs for weight? weight loss. I've heard that if you train your legs, since it's so much muscle that's there. Everything you're saying is in my video, I swear, and I'm not trying to plug it. It's just like, I'm so glad we chose those questions. Okay, well, put it down below in the discussion. It's okay.

Starting point is 00:42:39 At the end of the video, after you subscribe and like the video. Yeah. You'll see it. Okay. I'm curious because the legs, obviously, it's so much muscle in your body. Yeah. And a lot of the metabolizing and the calories that are burning come after you're after the gym when it's the muscles, like rebuilding itself. This is at least my understanding of it. So if you train your legs, it's so much of your muscle, like your volume is rebuilding itself. I see the mindset there and then like your body's sending all of its signals to heal this wounded muscle that you're trying to grow. So maybe, maybe there's some, you know, essence of extra calorie burn.

Starting point is 00:43:10 But I think it's so minimal. It's like when it's like when people say you burn more calories in the ice bath. It's like maybe three calories you're burning. But, you know, those type of things, it's like on average, maybe you walk 500 steps less that day, it's like, then you're at bet. You did nothing, you know? You'd have to be really consistent on everything you're doing. I think stuff like that, don't really worry about.

Starting point is 00:43:33 I think, look at the big picture. Am I eating more than I need? A caloric surplus. Am I eating less than I need? Chloric deficit. Surplus, gain weight, deficit, lose weight. Simple. Pick one that you want to do.

Starting point is 00:43:46 Yeah. Now, for recovery, what about ice baths? So is that worth it? I look at that. I've never done before. So I have one. Yeah. I kind of like love them.

Starting point is 00:43:54 I don't do them all the time, especially in the winter, it's fucking hot. It's 20 degrees outside. You can understand why I don't want to get in there. You walk outside. It's your damn ice bath. I would say ice baths are great for reducing inflammation, dealing with stress.

Starting point is 00:44:09 The only reason I take an ice bath is strictly for, one, the challenge. Like, can I suffer for three minutes and, like, not be a bitch today? Yes or no? Get in the ice bath. And two, releasing the adrenaline and dopamine in my brain is amazing. And sometimes it's like, if I don't, going on an ice bath for two weeks, I'll be like, damn, something's off. Like, I feel off. Really? And then I go in for a few days in a row, and it's like, resets my serotonin and dopamine levels.

Starting point is 00:44:34 What does it feel like afterwards? But, all right, so the first time I ever did it was with Liver King. And I went in for 30 seconds, I got out and I was like, I feel like I just had an orgasm. But it's like, I mean, I've literally never tried any drugs besides like marijuana when I was, like, 16 or something. I feel old as fuck or say marijuana. Like, yeah. I smoke pot. when I was a kid, like twice, or a teenager, I should say. So outside of that and like a few shots of alcohol, you know, every once in a while,

Starting point is 00:45:02 I have no idea what drugs it feel like, but I would imagine this is what, like, cocaine would feel like. Like, walk us through for someone who's never done it. Like me. Okay. You get in. Yeah. Your body immediately starts telling you that you are dying.

Starting point is 00:45:15 It thinks you're in the Titanic, about to sync with Jack and whatever her name was, Jack and Jill. I don't know if that's her name. And your body's sending signals to your brain thinking, I'm in the Arctic. about to drown in this cold water. So what does it do?

Starting point is 00:45:28 When your body goes in flight or flight, when your body's about to die, if I held a knife to you and you really thought you're going to die, your adrenaline's going to shoot up because you become hyper aware of what's going on to hopefully fend off the bad guy or bad thing or the water. And so your body shoots that signal at some point. You know, sometimes you've got to stay in it longer.

Starting point is 00:45:45 Most of the time it's pretty quick. Boom, shoots that dopamine receptor of adrenaline and dopamine. So that way you can kind of deal with this situation that your body thinks it's in, and then you either get out and you're like, wow, I feel amazing, or you stay in a little longer, and you know, you kind of hit your timer. Okay, so I could be completely wrong here, and this could be a lot of like pseudoscience. So if you're a doctor, feel free to comment, we'll like it up. Everyone can watch those comments.

Starting point is 00:46:10 But I feel like I've heard that putting yourself forcefully into fight or flight over and over again, which is essentially, I think, what you're saying is not a good thing because, yeah, sure, it's epinephrine and it's like motivation and dopamine. like it can really get you going kind of the same as like adderall in so far as it can like age you a little bit i because it's heard that and it sounds very like intuitive it sounds right like but it could be as a hypothesis it's like hmm you know it sounds reasonable i love to see the evidence on that because you are putting yourself you're tricking your brain into i'm dying over and over and over so it it might do something you know but then it also might maybe it's doing something good we just don't know in theory it sounds like

Starting point is 00:46:51 that could be a thing. I hope it's not because I like to fight aging, you know, I want to be young forever. I know I'm just like, okay, what would 40 year old me want? He wants me to look young, so let's not age ourselves in an ice bath, but if a study came out saying that it ages you, I would totally stop doing it.

Starting point is 00:47:08 Or I'd go in and like, just dip my head and get the fuck out. Okay. You know, I don't, I don't, so they say that ice baths decreased the amount of muscle you can gain because if you do it after your workout. So say you do biceps, and then you go in there and your biceps are now in there and the inflammation's getting reduced, your blood flow is changing. That inflammation actually helps grow the muscle. So by getting it out of the muscle, you're hindering

Starting point is 00:47:29 the growth. But we don't know if that's 1%, 2%, 20%, like no one knows how minuscule it could be. So, you know, I still do it. I'll still go after and to say, fuck it. Like, I still have muscle. I don't know. Yeah. And speaking of Liver King, how was that experience? But first time I went, first time I went was sick. Like crazy. very interesting. I've never really done anything like it. We did like four workouts a day. Like we did like three workouts the first day, one workout the next day, all this crazy

Starting point is 00:47:59 stuff, nonstop, very eye-opening experience of just, this is awesome. People loved the video until he got, you know, exposed and all. But that's one of my most viewed videos. That video was like a pinnacle video. I'd say like we got to make more videos like that. I think that's how I found your channel initially. I think it might have been me too. that video that in the fake weights versus larry wheels

Starting point is 00:48:22 were like people in grocery stores starting to be like are you the fake weights guy are you the liverking guy like i'm on i'm on a plane i remember this and it's maybe a few months after it i'm looking over and this kid is playing the video on a plane i think he i think he looked at me and like found me or something and then was watching it and i was like what the hell bro that was now that now that can happen here and there you know it's not like it's not the it's not the first time i've seen it but i remember being like people are starting to know me now what do you think about liver king obviously he got canceled very hard and yeah it's a lot of hate i know him

Starting point is 00:48:53 in a brief 72 hours total that i've ever been around him from those from that from my personal experience within those constrained hours awesome guy very respectable very you know loving father husband and works really hard outside of that i really can't comment i don't know him on a personal level. I had the exact same experience. So we had it on the show like a couple years ago. I thought it was a cool dude. It's a valuable lesson to not really judge people based on other people's opinions. I always try to make opinions on my own. Unless it's someone that I'm like very like my best friend is like, trust me, bro, that person. I'm going to trust them. I'm going to trust my mom, my dad, my fiance. You know, people around me that are that close, their opinions matter. But if it's, you know,

Starting point is 00:49:36 the internet's opinion on someone, I'm not going to judge them until I meet them. If I meet them and I hate them, it's like, all right, then sick. They were all right. Or wow, that's a nice guy. He just deserve the hate, you know? I think we all should be a little less judgmental based on others opinion. Speaking of that, you did a video about being in a fat suit. Yes. What did you notice about how people judged you? Dude, it was crazy. So like the first few hours, it's obviously like tiring to be in that all day because it's heavy and you're in prosthetics. But I genuinely wanted to do it to see what I've never been over obese or like fat. You know, I've been husky for a bulk, but like that's it. Nothing where people look at me and be like, whoa, he's fat. And being in there

Starting point is 00:50:12 all day, like when I went to a mall. And one, people will look because I got a camera. It was crazy. So obviously, like, I find my, my future wife is beautiful. I'll say that with my chest up. So a lot of people will look at her when I'm with her now and not in a fat suit. People will, you know, men will walk by and, you know, look at her. Women will walk by and look at her because she's an attractive blonde girl.

Starting point is 00:50:35 And when I was wearing the suit, we went to a mall together and, like, held hands and we're walking. And you could see, like, people looking at her and then me, like, what the fuck? How, like, because I, to a standard Western society, it's, you know, maybe it's unattractive to to look the way I did. And then to be next to a really beautiful woman, you could see the confusion in their eyes. And I was like, damn, people really are, like, judging. I just think every time I see that, I had to say, usually it just means that guy has massive game. Oh, I thought you were going to say something else.

Starting point is 00:51:07 That's massive. Massive game. Huge. Yeah, I would say, I'd say by the end of the day filming, I literally had, like, way less confidence and was i felt like a slum of depression not not real depression but just like i just felt down about i like like normally i'm upbeat filming and i'm having a good time but i just i felt like i filmed for three days straight and i didn't and i was like do you think that's maybe that's your your mood wasn't as high when you're in the fat suit that maybe you felt a bit self-conscious and that's

Starting point is 00:51:34 coming yeah no do you think i would say that i definitely like you could i don't know i feel like when i when I walk around, people know that I'm a confident guy. They, whether you see my body or not, I mean, I still walk with my confidence, you know, and I'm smiling. I'm a happy dude. And, but when I'm walking around not as that, it's like the vibe from everyone else, definitely affected me. So you feed off the vibe of others.

Starting point is 00:51:56 Yeah. And I felt I could feel the judgment. I could feel that just like, I was like, damn, I don't know, I just wanted to rather not be here. Like, not be in this environment. But you also went to a fat camp. Yeah. What was the thing that was the most surprising from that? That was a really unique experience that I brought someone that I'm a friend with, that I'm friends with named Rudy.

Starting point is 00:52:15 And, you know, he's done a fair transformation. I met him when he was like 620 pounds bedridden, probably going to die. Like he would say this too. Like he literally was on his deathbed maybe a month away from probably eating himself to death. And he was drinking a lot too. I had no idea who he was. I met an Uber, told him why I was there. I was in the most obese city in America.

Starting point is 00:52:33 He brought me there. And then he's like, this is my friend Rudy, like, give him some advice. Because this is his friend. He wants to try to not let him die. And he, Rudy then saw the video, all the positive comments. Like, you can do it, Rudy. So that positivity really sparked him to make a change. He dropped like 150 pounds in six months.

Starting point is 00:52:54 You know, I started chatting with him again. And he's like, hey, man, I've lost all this way. I was like, holy shit. Like what? And he's like, dude, yeah, after the video, you know, I really wanted to make a change. So then I brought him to another place. It's like a fat camp, but like it's just like a weight loss center. You can go there if you are.

Starting point is 00:53:08 and want to just go train and it's kind of like a training rehab place i don't know okay and we go there they teach us all but i already know all this stuff mostly uh but they taught us all about you know your body your your fat loss you know things that hurt fat loss and it just was good to educate him but it was really it was really interesting to see like because everyone's there for a common goal there were i feel like there was their guard wasn't up and kudos to the place I think it's Fit Farm in Tennessee. And so, like, their guard wasn't down to, like, you know, because let's say it was one obese person and, like, 10 fit people in a non-safe setting,

Starting point is 00:53:51 they're going to feel like an outcast. But a lot of people were all on different levels. Some people were fit. Some people were really overweight. Some people were in the process. Some people lost 200 pounds already. So it's kind of like this place that was really safe. And I think the coolest part was just that everyone was just super, super eager to, like,

Starting point is 00:54:07 help each other. So why do you think we have an obesity epidemic? America's access to crappy food is so high. Like it's so easy to get bad food. It's cheaper. It's it's marketed to you in a way where you just like like they do they literally will people, they'll go into stores wearing eye trackers and track where people are looking and then make decisions off that to alter where things are, alter the packaging and stuff. It's like really intelligent people are marketing and, and manipulating Americans, and we're all falling for it, whether you're fit or not. And I think the barrier to entry is so low to get bad food that it's just like, you know, if you only got five bucks, are you going to go to Chipotle and get half a bowl?

Starting point is 00:54:52 You can't, you know, it's... But is that the problem, or is it some sort of like food addiction that certain people have? Because that seems like... There's a lot of problems to it. You know, there's a lot of people that have food addiction. Most of the time, people are overweight because they're literally addicted to food or they're depressed and then just the only thing that makes them feel. Like, there's always a deeper reason.

Starting point is 00:55:09 They're not just overweight because they're like, hey, I want to be overweight. Like, no one's overweight because of, that's why I made a video about is being fat a choice. And afterwards, I've realized, like, it kind of isn't. I think it kind of can be, but it also isn't at the same time where, like, Mike Gizertel told me to great point. He's like, when you go in your closet and you pick out a purple shirt, you actively made a choice that day to wear a purple shirt. But if you went up to an obese person and said, hey, take this pill and you'll lose all your fat, he said, unless they're a consumer wrestler, then he'll be like, all right, cool, thanks. like I would love to.

Starting point is 00:55:36 So it's like they're not choosing to be fat right now. Like that's an outcome of many things that have happened in their lives and maybe years of overeating. And reverse, that's really hard. So I think, you know, in America, fast food is extremely popular. Process foods are an all time high. You know, there's all these bad things in our food. Even in the organic healthy, it's like, it's such bullshit. There's literally nothing.

Starting point is 00:56:01 There's nothing that you can buy that isn't, unless it has a single ingredient. like rice, potato, chicken, and beef, almost everything has BS in it. And it's like super annoying because I try to cut it out. But you buy organic nature something cracker. There's four seed oils. There's, you know, all these. There's way too many ingredients. And I'm like, how are like they getting away?

Starting point is 00:56:25 But it's organic. So it's like, it's all BS. And I think, you know, we have a society that leans on food. Do you see any commonalities, like maybe a lack of. motivation, willpower, anything like this that you see? It's kind of everything, you know? It's not just one thing. It's not just that people are lazy or not just that there's bad food in front of them.

Starting point is 00:56:47 It's kind of an culmination of everything. A lot of it, like I went to West Virginia and I did the unhealthiest city. And some city in West Virginia. And I talked to people and they were like, there's no grocery store. There's only a dollar store that sells frozen meals. Like you cannot for 15 miles go get broccoli, plain broccoli, potato, chicken. Like, you just, you can't. So there's McDonald's or there's Dollar General that has frozen meals.

Starting point is 00:57:16 Or if you have enough money to put gas in your car to go drive the 15 miles, you know, a lot of places are in poverty. So they're like, you know, it's 15 bucks of gas. Like, I don't have that. Thank God. I don't have to have that problem, but people do. And those are the people that are like, well, I got four bucks. I'm going to go get a quarter pounder, you know, for 500 calories of all fat. Or I'm going to get, I'm going to get 10 bucks for my whole family.

Starting point is 00:57:41 We're going to get a pizza, you know? This is a controversial opinion. Yeah. Dr. Mike Isratel got into a lot of trouble when he went on Dr. Mike, his podcast, because Israelel was saying that it's just as easy for someone who's like poor, who's not doing well financially to lose weight as someone who has plenty of money. I'd say I just wouldn't speak on it until you've been there. You know, it's like, I can't speak on that because I've never been in extreme poverty.

Starting point is 00:58:07 So I will never know. Like literally, it's the same thing. Like, I will never speak for an overweight person just as I never will speak for anybody who's a different color skin. I'm not that. So I can't speak on it. And I honestly don't think people should unless they literally did studies with those people. Like if Mike did studies with obese people from all these poverty places and non-poverty and then compare the results, like, okay, you're scientists. you did your study, speak on it.

Starting point is 00:58:32 But I'd say I'd rather just not speak on it because I don't think my opinion is valuable there. I think he grew up pretty impoverished because he like came from Russia. But now he's not. So now obviously like he's getting. So I think like if you have a personal experience, you could totally add value.

Starting point is 00:58:45 But like I don't give financial advice because I'm not a financial YouTuber. You know? Same thing. Well, I think Jack wants to compliment your hair. It's luscious. It's full. The hair line is immaculate.

Starting point is 00:59:00 I'm proud of it. showed off i you know i got i got i got a little like widows peak you know i used to be insecure but i'd be lying to you if it was a natty hairline i take finnastride i thought you're going to say that you got like the injection stuff or whatever like you're p r p r p r p no i've thought about that though when i before i took fnastride but um yeah i've been on fernastride for year and a half let's just say yeah probably year and a half i mean a lot of guys are scared to take it because i know the classic known side effects yeah they're They just can't get, they can't be.

Starting point is 00:59:32 Dude, if anything, it's more than ever. No, side effects are because of the drug. And now I've heard there's like post-finatron post-finastride syndrome. People say it like ruins their life and they're depressed. And I'm like, I guess that's what, if you come off? No, I hear random Reddit stories of like, I just feel like this is, what, yeah. It's scared the hell out of me. I know.

Starting point is 00:59:57 Like one guy was like, yeah. I don't know if you're a lot of, you're okay saying that? Okay, I don't know if you're like, no. Yeah, no, I've been on it since 2019. So, like, what is that? Four and a half, five years. And I read a Reddit story about how one guy was like, I was always so motivated. I could do anything.

Starting point is 01:00:12 And then I took this and it ruined my life. So I know some people that have taken it and they're like, dude, the brain fog hits me immediately. But one thing I thought I maybe was feeling during the initial, like, 30 days of taking it was, I thought I was dealing with some brain fog. I was like, am I as creative? I thought the same thing. But either the side effects, you just kind of, they dissipate, or I'm fine. Because I was like, I feel like I was comparing my YouTube videos thinking, I'm not as creative lately.

Starting point is 01:00:42 My videos aren't doing as well. It must be the Fanat Astride. Absolutely. And then I'm like, then I go have a biggest summer of my life recently on YouTube. And it's like, I'm on Fadastride. So I'm fine. So you've covered steroid use quite a bit. What are the right reasons to take steroids and what are the wrong reasons?

Starting point is 01:00:56 I don't think there is a right reason. I think there's a right reason to take testosterone replacement, like if your test levels are low from blood work and a doctor says, hey, you probably should be on this after like getting multiple tests and if you have the symptoms as well, you could have low test and feel literally great and fine. Like I've had 350 nanograms before for a year and I was fine. Like I felt great. And then I'd have 400 and then I have 500 and then slowly over the time of eating healthier and eating less processed stuff, my test has gone up. So I don't know if it has to do with the fake food I was eating for a while because I used to. I used to eat a ton of zero calorie this, lower calorie this, like the syrup, the splendor, aspirin syrup that it's like zero, five calorie syrup.

Starting point is 01:01:38 I was like addicted to that shit. And as I cut that out, I got healthier, looked better, and my testosterone went up. So I think first you need to fix your diet, fix your training, fix your sleep, fix your recovery. And if those four things, and maybe there's other things, but if those main four things, don't fix your problem, maybe consider going to a doctor, if you really feel terrible and have those side effects, that's when I would consider going to a doctor for TRT

Starting point is 01:02:05 and make sure you're prescribed it. Don't just stick a needle in your ass and think that you're going to be fine because there's a right way to do it and a wrong way to do it. Is there the right time to take it? It's all personal choice. Is there a wrong time?

Starting point is 01:02:18 Most of them, you know? Like, you're saying, like, is there ever a good time to take steroids? There's most of the time it's a bad time to take steroids. And I think, especially if you're young, like so many people, People are wanting fame.

Starting point is 01:02:28 They want to be bigger. They want to look better. It's like those aren't the reasons you're going to succeed in life. Like truthfully, like I think that's such a small factor of succeeding in like a fitness industry is actually being diced to the gills. I think there's, you could be intelligent and get past that. You don't need to be absolutely shredded to be somebody, you know? Yeah. What's the youngest person you've seen on steroids?

Starting point is 01:02:51 19. They start when they're 18. And I have a video on that too. Like a teen steroid epit. there was a 14 year old he's 18 lied about being 14 oh I heard that and saying that he was he told me he's natural

Starting point is 01:03:03 I don't believe him but whatever you know I guess 18 is the youngest it does seem like it's glamorized because I remember growing up and like the steroid thing was never a thing it was like oh yeah they do stare at it's it seemed like a weird thing

Starting point is 01:03:16 now it seems so common that it's like oh yeah they're on steroids whatever I think it's I don't I kind of hate that it's so common because kids will come up to me and they're like Dude, I'm like, I'm thinking about taking steroids. What are you thinking? I'm like, don't fucking do that.

Starting point is 01:03:30 Like, I don't, I'm not on it. You don't need it, bro. Like, I understand there's, because you're the thing. If you have shit genetics before you take steroids and you take steroids, you're just going to look bigger, but still shit. Like, no offense. But like a lot of people that take gear don't look like their own gear because they are not very good responders to the gear.

Starting point is 01:03:49 Their genetics are extremely poor to begin with. And now their health is worse. Their skin looks worse. worse. They have side effects because they didn't do their research. They don't have a proper coach. Like, there's so much that there's so much that can go wrong and very little that can go right. Unless you have fantastic genetics, also have a great coach and have a lot of money to, like, make sure you're doing things right. When was the closest you've ever been to taking steroids? But you know what? That reminds me. When was the last time you needed to go to the doctor,

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Starting point is 01:06:21 He's another fitness influencer. He said, I think he said, like, he bought it once. And, like, he got that close. Like, I've never been close. I've always liked being natural. Thankfully, my genetic, I have, I have very good genetics in terms of building muscle. Like, I don't, it's not hard to build muscle. I just got to eat more and be fluffier for a little bit.

Starting point is 01:06:40 And I build a lot of muscle. The reason I'm not absolutely enormous, I feel like, is because I just don't bulk for long periods of time. So I'm kind of like just maintaining and maybe sharpening up a little bit over time. but I've thought about it I've been like dude because think about it if you have great genetics

Starting point is 01:06:56 and you look great natural imagine if you took steroids like I look in the mirror and I'm 17 and I have a very I've looked very similar for a while I've improved to a degree but like let's say 18 years old I'm like damn bro I'm like

Starting point is 01:07:09 pretty jacked and then you're like but what if I took steroids I'd be fucking sebum you know like people don't realize that when you have a very impressive natural physique. I think it's more tempting to take steroids to a degree because you're you're like,

Starting point is 01:07:26 you're basically you're qualified to look insane slash the best, you know, like if you have great muscle insertions, great responding to eating more food and growing muscle, fuck, if you took steroids, you're a great qualifier to do well in competition. You're a great qualifier to just get more likes on social media versus if you have, you know, say your abs, you don't have any lines. your biceps are extremely high inserted your chest is extremely inserted small and not and your shoulders are extremely high insertions like where they like literally go into your body your muscle bellies are small that's what it would be called uh if you take steroids like you're not gonna change that

Starting point is 01:08:07 you're just gonna have a bigger bicep but it's still really high up your shoulders are still really small you know your chest still is shaped odd like that doesn't get fixed so then people don't realize that like that's why people, they go on steroids and then they regret it and they come off and now they're stuck on TRT for life is because it didn't do this magical, wonderful thing that Seabum looks like, you know? They look at C-Bomb, they're like, steroids equal C-bum? I want to be on steroids. Do you think just in terms of aesthetics, the natural aesthetic, the natural physique looks

Starting point is 01:08:37 better than like a massive one that's probably on Roids? I think it's all two to their own. Personally, I think the natural aesthetic where you're like, bodybuilder, but could probably still run a 10K, but probably looks still pretty normal going in clothes. Like maybe if you wore a tight shirt, people like, oh, he lifts, you know, he looks good. I personally think that that is a very nice, like a superhero look, you know, like you look at Superman.

Starting point is 01:09:04 I mean, he's probably on some shit, you know, but that superhero look, I think, is a great, you know, Brad Pitt Fight Club, everybody says, I think him with 10 pounds of muscle, solid. That could be maybe why you haven't taken him because that's what you're like. I desire to physique that I have. And then I'm like, like, I literally tell people, I'm like, I don't really want to get much bigger. I just want to improve certain parts of my body. I want my shoulders be bigger.

Starting point is 01:09:27 I want my calves be bigger. I like being lean. And, you know, maybe a bigger upper chest. Other than that, like, I literally don't want to get any bigger. The max I don't want to weigh is probably 190. Did you notice a difference when you got your dream physique in terms of interest from women? From women? I mean.

Starting point is 01:09:46 From guys. I don't know. Guys, it went up. That's for sure. That's great. Honestly, I'm going to say yes. And I feel like a lot of dudes, you can be like, oh, I'll fucking pick me. Like, shut up.

Starting point is 01:09:58 I would say that because I'm not huge, like, when I'm shredded or like, like, right now I'm like, I'm lean. I'm not shredded. I'm like, to my eyes. Let's say I lost five pounds of fat. Like, I'm going to be shredded then. But I'm not like too, like, gross lean to girls. I feel like that's where girls would be, you know, they, they, they, they, they, think, oh, you got a great body.

Starting point is 01:10:18 You know, it's like the superhero body. It's the movie body, the Hollywood body. If I get too lean, say I lost 10 pounds, girls are like, oh, you're too, you're too, you're too, you're too, you're too lean. Yeah, like you look like you need it to eat. Like, my fiance loves, she doesn't love me at a certain weight, but like, I can tell that she looks at me a little extra when I'm like 180, 182. I'm like 186 right now.

Starting point is 01:10:42 Not that she doesn't look at me like, you know, all juicy and nice now, but I, you know, we look at photos and she's like you look so cute there and I'm like I'm 180 and I'm like I knew it but then when I'm 170 she's like she'll like touch me and be like you feel like a skeleton like you might look good in photo and video but you're so

Starting point is 01:11:00 like you're not insulting me but she's just like you can't state like it's not healthy to be that lean so that's another reason she doesn't like me being that lean but you know she prefers someone around 180 that sort of jacked but still soft enough look and I would say a lot of women not all because some women

Starting point is 01:11:16 like I'm softer, some like I'm skinny, whatever. But the women that like that realm of body, I feel like the Hollywood Brad Pitt with like a little bit more body fat and a little bit bigger is a nice middle ground for girls to be like, ooh, you look good. I definitely think it's more of a guy thing though. It is.

Starting point is 01:11:31 It is. I think girls don't pay attention to it as much as the guys. Like, you know, girls are always saying like, oh, we don't do our makeup for men. You know, we do it for us and like blah, blah, blah. Like, who knows the answer? I'd say a lot, but a lot of them do do it for like, you know, they just look, they like looking pretty.

Starting point is 01:11:48 I think it's almost the same thing with like guys building muscle where it's more for our own self-approval and then also maybe some peer approval is where a lot of it stems from. The first time I try to put on muscle, it was strictly for sports. Like some dudes are like, dude, I did it for girls. I never once lifted a weight for a girl. Like, I could, like, if that was the case, I'd be like, fuck off. Like, then you're clearly not the right person to be around.

Starting point is 01:12:13 But I mean, I know my experience and what I'm saying comes from like walking around Miami in like 2021 when I was single before I met Claudia. And girls being like, oh, like shit like that. Like it's because one, it's Miami. You know, like they're going to be like they're drunk. Like it must be real. So that's the only way I could say like I've gotten attention a few times. You know, if I didn't have this body, would I, would I not get attention? I don't know.

Starting point is 01:12:41 Maybe they'd still say, ooh. You know. It's funny. What about women on steroids? What do you think about that? Is it a problem? Is it fine? I think it's more detrimental to their health than men.

Starting point is 01:12:54 Like I've done a study or I've done a investigative video on this where there's a lot more than go wrong because not that these are male hormones, but I would say they're male dominant hormones. Like women male dominant hormones, women still have testosterone for sure. Women still have estrogen. But when you jack up their testosterone to levels that a guy, has, I mean, yeah, you might have more male characteristics if we're talking about, you know, what's in the body and what's what's literally happening, you know, with their jaw, with their voice. These are irreversible things. Is it more male or female to be that way? Who the hell knows? But I will say it definitely is very dangerous for a woman to do that because there's a lot of

Starting point is 01:13:31 side effects that they can have problems with, you know, having children, infertility and stuff. And, you know, I mean, if someone wants to have a kid and then they take a cycle and then realize they can't have a kid, it's like, you just, you might, you just ruin part of your life. You know? And that's why there's never a good time to take steroids, men or women. But I think it is, I think it's really impressive. The women and being backstage when I was at the Olympia, I think it's more impressive their bodies than the men because these women literally, I don't know if it has to do with

Starting point is 01:13:59 just how women hold water. Because there's muscle, then there's water, then there's like fat and skin or whatever the order is. But there's between skin and muscle, there is water. And men will do a lot. so women to cut out that water. And I feel like women can cut water out of the tissue in their body a little better to where they look so much leaner.

Starting point is 01:14:23 They look like an anatomy chart. Like the girls will walk and their hamstring glutes, their shoulders, every single muscle will just have these like striation and stripes in it. Even when they're not flexing. Like there will be girls staying there and I'm looking at their quad and I'm like, what the fuck? And like, C-Bumb doesn't have that. So that girl is literally leaner than craters.

Starting point is 01:14:42 Chris Bumstead. And it's crazy, but they're just not a popular. That's got really screw with their entire system. That's the thing. So I think, like, they have to, I think they almost have to push harder than the men to get that lean. And that means it's, honestly, is more unhealthy, too, because getting leaner than the guys already do, bro, like, you're on your death bend, bro.

Starting point is 01:15:00 You're about to, like, pass out. Yeah. What about taking testosterone as a guy? Are there any misconceptions about that? I think the biggest misconception, just testosterone, steroids in general is that it's just going to make you look great. Like I said, genetics play a huge role. I think people will think, oh, I'm going to go on this.

Starting point is 01:15:17 I'm going to gain 10 pounds. One, you have no idea if you're a responder or not. Like, maybe there's some markers in blood work that can say, okay, he's going to respond to thing or she's going to respond to this drug. But like no one truly knows until you do it. And so it's kind of a roll of the dice. It's like a Russian roulette right there of just, will this drug actually work on me? I could have all these great genetics and then go take steroids and literally gain two pounds

Starting point is 01:15:41 and be like, okay, I got all the stuff. side effects and no gain. So it's like you never know. So I think that's the biggest misconception with any sort of hormone replacement or hormone anything is just that it might not work the way you think it will. What do you think about Greg Doucette's video? I have proof Jesse James West is not Natty. Did he post that? When did he post that? He said, I have proof he's not Natty line Jesse James West. Greg, you give me, you make me laugh. I'm friends with him. That man is off his rocker sometimes with his titles and thumbnails. I don't even think he's coming up with him. I think he pays people to do it. And they're always crazy. He'll put he puts the craziest stuff

Starting point is 01:16:19 in thumbnails. So he said it was your pre-workout that you injected. Oh. Oh, okay, okay. With the thumbnail and the title. I think, do what you got to do to get views, Greg. It's, I don't care. Like, you can use and abuse my name. I know what I'm worth my value. I know people that watch me know my worth and value. It's whatever. Can you give us your best Greg impression? Oh my God! Are you kidding? Bay, I told you he's not Natty! How was that?

Starting point is 01:16:48 Is it good? That was so good. That was incredible. That was... Way better than I expected. I feel like when you said it, I like, my brain went, thing. I know how to do that. I've never done that.

Starting point is 01:16:58 What do you think about Sam Solic? Sam, oh, Sammy, boy. Sammy, Sammy, Sammy. Sam Solick, I've interacted them a few times. One, I've messaged him a few times. Left me on red, no big deal. twice Then in person

Starting point is 01:17:14 Was totally a normal chill dude I think he's just very to himself I think You know He got his head down He just does his thing I don't think he's really in it For like fame or money or anything

Starting point is 01:17:25 I think if I was his manager Like I would do so much different I'd be like I think he's missing out On a lot of revenue Because unless he's working on something In the background Like that he's gonna launch

Starting point is 01:17:37 Like supplements or something But he has no sponsors Drop merch like once this year, just uploads videos. Like, does he have mid-roll ads on? I don't know. You know, does he even have his ads on? I have no idea.

Starting point is 01:17:47 Like, no one, I don't, I don't know. And he doesn't really talk to anyone besides, like, the real bodybuilders. So I think it's interesting his model of what he does. There is a strategy behind it. I know he's a smart guy. I think he'll always have a good fan base of, you know, 100 to 200K. Like maybe, let's say 70K views to 200K views is his, like, ballpark. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:18:09 But when you're uploading every, every, every, every day you know time seven time seven is pretty crazy you know that's a almost a million a week on long videos so he does have a crazy fan base um so he'll be around for a long time but i i knew for a fact that when he had that big blow up where he's getting like a mill on every video for like 30 days straight i knew it was going to crash not crash i knew it was going to go down and have a maintenance level and his maintenance level is kind of like he started with like 120k a video i'm obsessed of analytics so i know i didn't memorize everything bro and And then it went like this and now it's back to 120.

Starting point is 01:18:41 So it's like it didn't hurt him. Yeah. But he's got a salt. Like he would probably have a longer line than I will though at a, for me. I saw him blowing up. And so I watched it just to see what the appeal was. Yeah. I couldn't get into it, but that's just me.

Starting point is 01:18:53 I got into it. You did? Yeah, I was very into it. Is it like, is it kind of like mind numbing or you're just like, dude, it's like ASMRI. It's his voice, bro. He's a radio voice. It's his voice. And then it's also like, dude, this is going to sound weird.

Starting point is 01:19:05 But it's like when he's putting up the reps and you can like, and you can like hear it like because he puts his microphone here. That's funny. And if I'm at the gym and I'm like hearing that, it makes me want to like work out even harder. Wow. So I like it. I think people literally use him as a workout partner in their ear.

Starting point is 01:19:18 A workout partner. And also he's just so calming. You know, like he's not crazy. I'll like, I'll watch it and enjoy it for like five minutes. And then I'm like, all right,

Starting point is 01:19:26 next. But I mean, the five minutes were good. Who do you feel like is underrated in the fitness community? Ah, this guy Jesse James East, man. Dude,

Starting point is 01:19:34 it's crazy. He has a channel just like mine. That's my second channel. I was in Mr. Beast recently and he was like, who's a creator that's like under, like, that's look past or something or no one knows about him or who's like on the come up or who's really good that you like. And I have a really hard time answering that because I'm so analytical. Like I watch wheels videos and I feel like it's very hard for me to not critique them and be like, they should have done this, man. Or like this was so lazy or why they like I feel like I put a lot of effort into my videos. So when I see someone kind of take the easy way out, I'm like, like, you, you, you have such a big platform.

Starting point is 01:20:10 Why aren't you doing the, the most out of it? But I understand, like, there's so many circumstances. Like, you never know what's going on in someone's life to take the easy way out. Maybe they're fucking taking care of their family. And that's why they do things that are quicker. But I look at stuff and I'm like, so many people can improve. I can improve. And I have a hard time, as much as I have a hard time enjoying a lot of content, because that's what we do.

Starting point is 01:20:34 Yeah. Um, when I played lacrosse, I really didn't like watching lacrosse. I was like, I'd rather go play. So I'd rather go film and make my own videos. But if I'm going to enjoy someone's like start to finish, I'd say Kelly Wakasa, he's not in the finish industry. Yeah. I think great dude. Love the guy.

Starting point is 01:20:49 I feel like me and him are very similar. So like a podcast. Yeah. So I like him a lot, really down to earth guy. And his content's very, very good. And you, and it's story told well. It's edited well. Like him and his editor are a great team.

Starting point is 01:21:03 and I like his content a lot. In the fitness industry, some people, people will do well and I'm like, oh, they're making improvements. Those are great ideas. Like,

Starting point is 01:21:13 I think the best people have, people have like some pretty creative ideas lately is like Will Tennyson and Brown. I like him. Will and Brownie. I think recently Will kind of like improved his style a little. Like I feel like in the past month, I was like,

Starting point is 01:21:26 you are doing a little bit, a little, like it's a little tighter than it used to be. Brownie makes. really good videos, but the topics, I feel like sometimes are what holds it back. But his videos are phenomenal. Like, because I think he's getting in there on the edit and really going crazy. So those, I mean, it's kind of like we are the top three. It's me, Will and Brownie, the only dudes that are really crushing in fitness. So we all just take turns on who's at one. Yeah. In terms of

Starting point is 01:21:52 bodybuilding competitions, you've done a couple of them now. What is the worst part about the prep? What's the thing that you didn't expect to be so bad and it's awful? Energy levels. It's probably from having really low testosterone once you get really lean. You're basically starving yourself to near death. Once you get past, once I get below 175, so that's 10 pounds away right now. So if I drop 10 pounds, I'm like, I'm starting to feel this. Just a half pound more, one pound. I'm like, oh my God, I'm dying.

Starting point is 01:22:20 And it's like every waking second, I feel like I have a low blood sugar problem. Maybe I do. This time if I ever do a prep again, I'm going to do a prick to see if that's one of the problems that I had. but I just you the energy is so low and the oh you know what it's worse the the emotionlessness is that a word the lack of emotion the lack of emotion is so painful like you can't feel good or bad you're just like just fucking nothing like literally looking at a phone I don't get dopamine from the phone so I'm just like is it similar like that to like just being really really hungry? No. Try being really hungry and then having low testosterone at the same time. So if you have

Starting point is 01:23:05 low test, like, I feel bad for you. You need to get, that's why I'm like, if you have low test, bro, get that shit fixed. How do you know what indicators, you know, should you observe? Low energy, low motivation. You're holding fat, holding water. Sleep isn't good. And then the natural ways to improve that would be less processed food, more sleep. Less processed food, more sleep. Don't touch receipts. Yeah, I guess. I fucking, if that's real, then I'm fucked. I always just say nor see you now. I'm like, no, I'm good. And then, but a lot of time, it's just like, whatever factor is doing it, if you fix that, you will feel drastically better.

Starting point is 01:23:37 So for me, when I'm dieting really, really lean for about 30, about 21 days, when I'm 21 days out for my show is when it's like, this fucking sucks. And you just got to grind through it. The only thing that keeps me, like, sane is keeping busy. So, like, going out and filming videos because you're kind of just like in that flow. But then after you're like, fucking dead. Like, I filmed it a fat suit. 15 days out and I had it like like I was really like laying down in between like takes because I was dying. I could like I wish we filmed it but I was like so a lack of just energy and then my

Starting point is 01:24:13 makeup artist that did the makeup she's like you got to eat like chocolate or something so I had a piece of chocolate and I was like ding I was like I was low blood sugar holy shit and then I felt good for like 20 30 minutes and then you're back to like so lack of energy and it's not just tired Like you wake up and you're like, oh, I'm hung over. I'm tired. It's like, like, no, you have literally no energy. Like, lifting your arm is like a pain in the ass. And then the lack of emotion just sucks, like having a fiancee.

Starting point is 01:24:40 She was my girlfriend at the time. You're just laying in bed and you're like, bro, like, I can't feel anything. Like, I have no happiness, no sadness. Like, if you hug me right now, it doesn't feel warm right now. Like, I just feel fucking nothing horrible. So what would you different the next time? Diet slower. get my blood sugar levels tested.

Starting point is 01:25:02 Try to take some testosterone, like, pills of like, like, ashriganda hopefully helps a little. I think the best thing for me would be trying to keep my blood sugar at a healthier level. And dieting, the reason I would diet slower

Starting point is 01:25:18 is so I don't have to do as much hardcore cardio. Like 50, I'll do like 50 minutes on the stairs every day the last 20 days, just trying to get that like off quick. because I always do things like kind of quicker than I should. I think slowing down would help because I did a prep in 14 days once. I was already shredded and then I was like, let's do 14 days of a crash diet like 1,200 calories and 50 minutes cardio.

Starting point is 01:25:40 Basically you're eating 500 calories a day. And I felt like it was like painful how I felt. I had my head. I couldn't lift my head when I go for a walk and I'm like, oh my God, dude. And then I did a 30 day of that like kind of rapid. So this time I probably do like 45. I probably do like 60 and really take my time and try to keep that cardio as low as possible

Starting point is 01:26:01 while still losing fat. How do you keep your mental health in check? Outside competition, just life. Zolov. I am on Zoloff. 50 milligrams, nothing crazy, been on it sounds like 15 low-key, so I don't really know life without it.

Starting point is 01:26:16 How did you know you needed that? What were the feelings? So I was playing sports and I had a lot of pressure, kind of like similar to the pressure I have now, but I was 15, didn't know how to deal with it. so all that stress and had a lot of anxiety and just did I didn't know it was anxiety

Starting point is 01:26:31 so I was just like blah like I just felt like these fucking anxiety attacks all the time so my parents were like you know your dad's on it your sisters tried it you know in times and they both had great experiences I think we should you should try it if you're okay with it so I tried it helped a little I don't think it really did much

Starting point is 01:26:47 I think I just over the from 15 to the last 10 years have just gotten better with dealing with anxiety and dealing with mental health issues and stuff and also just doing what you actually have passion for for me was a really big factor. Like as I progressively got less interested in lacrosse, but the effort was still the same. I was more and more depressed. So it was kind of like a sliding scale of the less I enjoyed, the more depression I felt and anxiety.

Starting point is 01:27:16 So when I brought, when I got rid of the stuff that was making me really unhappy, it kind of like leveled more. And then over time, you know, you keep now, now I'm like here, because I'm doing much, more happy and fulfilling things that I love. So the mental health issues that I used to have, I don't have as much. I'd say I get anxiety from having too much caffeine. So like if I have too much caffeine in a day, I'm like, fuck, man, I feel like shit. And I mean, we all do that, like it just, but it's like the number one anxiety to ticker for me.

Starting point is 01:27:44 But yet I'm addicted to caffeine. So it's kind of a fucking double-edged sword. And then the only reason I'll ever feel like kind of really down or have a lot of anxiety is maybe the pressure of keeping up with YouTube and trying to outdo the previous thing that I've done. So, like, that'll get to me to a degree. So I think how I mitigate that is, one, having a great partner. You know, Claudia's like, my ride or die. She sticks by me and, you know, just being around her sort of lowers my anxiety.

Starting point is 01:28:12 She's literally like an antidepressant. And then because I'm very like go, go, go. And she's very calm. So it's great balance. And then I would say, like things like the ice bath, making sure I work out. If I don't work out, I'll feel crazy, you know, and then I work. work out at like 5 p.m. And I'm like, dude, I should just fucking lift it at 9.

Starting point is 01:28:28 It would have felt way better. And then I think just like trying to make sure I'm doing things that I thoroughly enjoy. And those things keep me in check. But there's always, you know, there's always like a little, you know, anxiety or maybe depressive, slight feelings. But I feel like I know, I know what causes them now. And I avoid them to kind of deal with it. Why do you continue to take it if you feel like you've now rebalanced? I'm just afraid that like if I come off, I'm going to.

Starting point is 01:28:55 almost like take a like say the say of that scale is like happiness is here depression's here if i come off is that depression and anxiety going to raise and then that fucks with everything i feel like i'm in just such a good place and i like i love my life career is going great don't fuck with what's good i think eventually though like i think i think when i finally am done with not done i think when i finally graduate from youtube that period of time i mean i mean i'm sure it'll be there'll be It'll be during a transition area. It'll be doing a transition. I know.

Starting point is 01:29:27 But I almost feel like I almost feel like I'm afraid because of like I know how YouTube can fuck with people's heads so much that you get too caught up. And I just, I don't want to let that happen. And then it like wrecks the outcome of what I, what I am. You know, like I do very well right now. If I, if I had a bout of extreme anxiety, like all my decisions and everything's going to get fucked. Like maybe I'm not filming as much. Maybe I'm have so much fear that I'm just, oh, I just got, I'll just do that. that's how we were doing something and that's like not.

Starting point is 01:29:56 I think having, mitigating fear has been a huge anxiety suppressant. And fear is where you make mistakes. It's so interesting because usually when I talk to people that are on pills such as that, like, it's not that they're like happier, but they're just like not as sad because they're like a little bit more numb. So it's interesting. I'm definitely not enough to feel numb. That you're like, that you're still a very high vibration person.

Starting point is 01:30:22 Obviously, you know, people can hate for me asking these questions, but I'm curious, Derek from more plates, more dates, said you could just take it, and if you don't like the results, you just stop taking it in terms of finasteride. Could you consider doing something similar? I could. The drug I'm on, Zoloff, is very, like, withdrawal,

Starting point is 01:30:39 like physical withdrawing. Interesting. So I've come off at once. In 2018, I came off it, and I had a fucking, but then I also, so 2018, I came off, but then I went to college to play D1 lacrosse and do something that I just did not want to do at all.

Starting point is 01:30:52 So it was kind of like a bad time to go do this. But I was like, I've been on it. I just like don't want to be on it anymore. Like it shouldn't came off super, super depressed. I wasn't like, you know, against life at the moment. But I definitely could see in the future, this could go dark. You know, this could get way worse than it is. And thankfully, I'm like, I was self-aware enough of I'm in a very dark place.

Starting point is 01:31:15 And darker is probably really, really bad. So I'm going to go back on and I'm going to get out of this situation. So step one was leaving the lacrosse. Division I scholarship and transferring. And that kind of gave me a lot of inner peace. And then I was like, all right, I'm going to go back on this medication to just maybe that, because at the time you're like, I don't, was that one of the reasons that I felt like this?

Starting point is 01:31:37 So we should try to fix all variables here. So I went back on, been on ever since. So I think I sort of have like a, maybe a trauma to that of if I come off, I'm going to go dark again. So I don't, I think I'm intelligent enough and self-aware enough. to know like that I'm not in the same place. Seems like you're really thoughtful about it. Like you think about it a lot.

Starting point is 01:31:59 I think about it. You introspect quite a bit. It's pretty obvious. That's definitely, that's definitely a thinker. Yeah. In terms of the high vibrations, high motivation, high energy, a lot of people they wake up,

Starting point is 01:32:09 they don't feel super motivated or energized. Do you have any advice for them? Maybe they have these goals and then they have these actions and there's a lot of dissonance between what they want life to be like for themselves and what life is actually like. My mom always said a person

Starting point is 01:32:24 in motion stays in motion. It's like an object in motion stays in an object in motion. It's like Sir Newton's fucking law. I think it's so valuable to think that way because if you are continuously doing something, you know, you're going to stay in that motion, those habits. So I think the biggest thing is taking action to get in motion. Like people will wake up and lay in bed for hours. And I was talking about my fiance about this and we're like, we never do that, like ever. We get up. Your alarm goes off. You wake up. get up. Like, if that can become your habit, like, it'll, it'll, you know, be a wave into your whole day,

Starting point is 01:33:01 you know, it'll push into your whole day. And I think staying in motion is really important where I'm always doing something. Like, I'm uncomfortable if I'm not. And I think that that has kept my life moving in a happier, better direction. And if you don't have motivation, it's like, just step one, get up, you know, because I feel like so many people will be, people might be watching this in the morning. right now laying in bed like, oh man. Keep watching.

Starting point is 01:33:26 Yeah, and then get up. Yeah. Do you have any of... But you got to get up and get moving. And whether that's literally just getting out of bed as soon as you wake up or going on a walk in the morning, like those little things will add up, you know, and it sounds so stupid. And it's like, I don't need to walk to get my day going. I'm like, bro, do it.

Starting point is 01:33:43 Do you have any other habits that you do, like on a daily basis that have really improved your life? You've already mentioned ice bathing. You mentioned the alarm goes off. You get up immediately. Yeah. Like small things that you do. Hmm.

Starting point is 01:33:55 Do you wait a while to drink caffeine? Because I've also heard that's another thing. I don't really participate. Grounding. Okay. So I'll give you a few random things I do. There's no particular time or order. When I do an ice bath, I then get out.

Starting point is 01:34:10 And most of the time I do this, I'll go stand on grass. And like, I literally open my arms and close my eyes. And it's like my manifestation moment. And I just visualize everything I want. So. and like I visualize it like with the people I love as if it's like happening you know I'm not just like picturing oh a plane like a jet like no I'm on the jet I'm with I'm with my fiancee our future child's there my parents are there like oh I really try to like in my head it's real so I think

Starting point is 01:34:38 visualization is really important whether it's after the ice bath standing on grass or it's just waking up taking two minutes to yourself and visualizing this is what today looks like I'm to do this, boom, go do it. I'm a big component of my life is music, not an artist that don't play instruments, but I think like it's almost like setting a vibration, basically, where I have favorite songs and every time I'm going to film, those are on, they're blasting. What are those songs? You probably don't even know them, but so it's by falling, anything by falling in reverse,

Starting point is 01:35:11 I'm like a sucker for, like I fucking love that band. Okay. So their new album is popular monster I'll listen to like basically from the top down Their song prequel is crazy It's like orchestral I'll listen to Creed higher

Starting point is 01:35:27 Can you try Yeah yeah Like that song like I'm like bump in So I think like You can almost like set your mood with music Whether it's driving to work It's almost like you just have to force yourself to listen to it

Starting point is 01:35:40 It's like forcing yourself to step in the To get in the ice bath Yeah it's uncomfortable Okay maybe you don't want to listen anything but like get yourself feeling a vibe you know i think vibe is so important and that gets me pumped and those are kind of a few things that i just do not every day but you know at least every week yeah how much do you know about the finances because i we've spoken with some people who like know it explicitly and other people who say i mean he says he hasn't checked his bank account

Starting point is 01:36:03 in years so i i check my bank account a few times every few months like a month every other month maybe i'm like looking at it and being like okay i got this much money or did this ad get paid? You know, most of them I just ask my mom, like, did they pay? Yes or no? I know that I pay myself as an employee. I do that thing. I pay quarterly taxes just because it's easier to keep up with.

Starting point is 01:36:30 I have a CPA that does, like, full, like, they look through all my, you know, expenses and are writing a bunch of stuff off. We have, like, direct deposit with paying employees. I mean, I don't, that's like as far as, I have, I have a stock portfolio that I have like a, like an advisor who we've done really well with. Okay. Um, and I have a lot of like pretty safe stocks, but I have a lot of money in stocks just for like long game. A lot of municipal bonds. Um, do have index funds?

Starting point is 01:37:01 I probably do, but I just don't, I don't know what I have like truthfully. Do you have any interest in learning what you have or known? I've started to have interest to where like now I'm on the calls, but before it was just like my dad and the advisor and my mom being like, like this sounds like it's positive, let's do it. And we've seen positive gain on everything. It's just been like, the municipal bonds have been pretty like, I don't know why you have municipal. Really?

Starting point is 01:37:23 Yeah, I have no idea. Oh, God. What are they paying my five? It depends on what the bond is. I think it's just because it's like kind of guaranteed. It is. And it's also, but you don't need it. It seems like with your lifestyle and what you're making.

Starting point is 01:37:35 It's just like that is just. It's safe. Yeah. Because the way I am, I'm like, I have such so much cash flow. Yeah. that I'm a very like I I do everything for profit not like everything in life like money wise like I profit on everything if I don't profit maybe it's a video here and there that just like the garbage man like I broke even whatever sure but like so many people have a structure of like oh I'm gonna pour everything into it and I'm like what do we do this for you do this for self fulfillment make money and you know entertain people like so if I'm doing those three things like awesome if I'm doing those three things like awesome if I I'm not, if one of those three things is wrong, like, then yeah, then there's a problem to my business. I have a lot of, I have very good deals with my sponsors, like long term.

Starting point is 01:38:23 I feel like I'm, I'm very good in negotiating. I don't have a management. I don't have an agent. I have like agents that will come to me and take a percent of a deal they found. You know, they're like, hey, uh, ice coffee hour has a podcast that they want to promote for 20 grand or whatever the hell it is. And it's like, oh, sure, like whatever we do. And they take 10%. but I have everyone under the son wants to manage me and stuff but like I just do it myself you know and it's like all my all my long term deals I did myself I was on the phone I called the company I pitched myself I told him everything I can do you know I bring in money from my sponsors YouTube workout programs what the fuck else in terms of percentages how would you allocate it oh it it used to be very ad sense it's still

Starting point is 01:39:11 still is, but it's not, it used to be like 60% to 70%. Now I add sense is like 40. Because my deals that I get are really good. Like the like Gorilla Mind and Jim Shark. So shout out you guys. You keep the company going. We love you. But like, you know, not, that's my fitness is great.

Starting point is 01:39:30 Because I can have a clothing company sponsor and I can have a supplement sponsor. And, you know, it's like guaranteed 12 months. I have a two year deal with gorilla and it's like an amazing deal. Yeah. I keep my team small. Because I'm not a manager. I'm a YouTuber. I'm an entertainer.

Starting point is 01:39:45 I'm a strategist. I'm a thumbnail conceptor. I'm a scriptor, a writer, a bodybuilder, fitness connoisseur, and a handsome man. But like, I'll hire within those things,

Starting point is 01:39:58 like if I really want to take things off my plate. But pre-production, I don't really like doing. I don't want to have to, like, communicate to 25 people to show up to a shoot. It's very stressful. I've done it before.

Starting point is 01:40:10 What else? finances i i don't dive too deep in like all that like if i don't i don't really play with my money like we just do safe stuff because i'm just not trying to i i would do more things that can like you know make a much more uh percent than a municipal bond let's say if i was involved in it more or if i was like i know what i'm doing so i'm going to do this but right now it's like i'm basically like hey let's just at least do something so there's no depreciating assets like or no depreciating money like we're at least burning you know let's not waste money by letting it sit here so there's something happening i think i'll get more involved in it probably probably when youtube slows down

Starting point is 01:40:48 yeah if i ever need to though because that's the thing that like my business flourishes when i'm a full my full focus is just on youtube make the best videos pick the best ideas and everything goes up that's just like my the formula for me at sense goes up views go up engagement goes up everything will be better if I do if I focus on this because that's my best role and that's what my skill is. Now if I start bringing in oh I have an editor I forgot to yeah I have an editor and assistant editor so we have three people four if you count my mom um five if you count a cameraman like if you're counting them but I'm looking to build another team of editors my video is getting really hard to make like I've realized this it's like a little documentary yeah it's it's being really

Starting point is 01:41:37 hard. Like I, this is my first time. I missed an upload today for the first time of my life. So it's not a big deal. Like, we have a video where I toured a bunch of celebrity home gyms. And it's like 12 hours of footage. We got someone to cut it to two, but going from two to 30 minutes is still really hard. When two hours is great. Yeah. So the video is getting really intense. Could you post a two hour long video? I don't know if I have the balls to do that. Well, I would post 45 minutes. Ryan Treyhand did like the Penny series and every video was like 10 minutes. And then finally at the end, he posted all of them together in the same video. And it popped. Because the average view duration, so high.

Starting point is 01:42:09 I think that there was a bit of a lull where back in the day when like David Dobrick's vlogs and like Logan Paul's vlogs, like the four minute to eight minute to 12 minute maybe. Podcasts do better now. But now. People watch on TV. Yeah. Now anything over like an hour or two hours. So my goal is to start making like 20 to 40 minute videos. Probably probably it'll probably be 25 to 30.

Starting point is 01:42:25 Let's be real. 40's fucking hard. Yeah. Like you got to film a lot and the story's got to not suck. So my goal is make longer videos. If we're going to stay at two a month, make them longer. so people really can like, you know, sit down and enjoy this, like, art, you know, this, this piece of work that we, that we constructed.

Starting point is 01:42:43 But if I get up to three videos, it'll probably like 25 minute videos, 20, 25, and get another team of editors, even if they're just part-time, but have another editor, another assistant editor to keep working on stuff because as stuff gets bigger, like every year it gets bigger, you know, you got to just adapt to it. And I want them to, I want them to be able to, like, pour everything into it and not feel rushed, you know, like, because right now I'm like, hey, this, I mean, we're missing this week, but like, we can't miss next week, you know, it's going up, you know, no matter what. So if we can have people like really going crazy as a team on stuff and just make stuff

Starting point is 01:43:16 amazing, I think my goal is to do that, hire more editors. Making sure I always have two shooters on a video, a lot of times I'll do one, but I feel like I'm starting to miss stuff without two. And then I think that'll solve a big problem, not problem, but that'll be a big relief having another team of editors. That's like the hardest thing is just getting these videos out. My bandwidth to film, like, I can film a lot, and I'm fine. But it's like, there's no point when we're not posting enough, you know?

Starting point is 01:43:43 Why would I go film four more videos if I'm just going to start stacking them? Yeah. Like, I just patient. How is financial success affected your life? Honestly, I mean, it's like relieving, you know, I can kind of do whatever I'd like. Yeah. You know, like I'm thankful for that. I can order food.

Starting point is 01:43:58 I can go on vacation if I have the time or whatever. But, um, I, really don't like splurge like the most expensive thing I own is not I don't own it alone I own it with Claudia the house and then my home gym was like I've said I think I said this in the video is like about a hundred grand for the home gym 80 to 100 yeah that's like it's good write off yeah and like I dude I'm in this every day filming every day it's it's the best investment to me I'm like when I get a car or I get this I drive this fucking Subaru like cars don't really make me happy I have one watch

Starting point is 01:44:37 I'm what watch do you have? Oh fuck you don't know The Zenith something Zenith it's like brown I'll have to show you You know it's crazy the watch I wear all the time Except for today Zenith El Primero

Starting point is 01:44:50 But I so I have a 19 So I have a 1969 I have a 2018 For the 50th anniversary of it For 2019 I might have that exact one I don't know I don't know Because it's probably not

Starting point is 01:45:00 Oh is it a shit done Or sorry No no no it's not It's they only made 50 Oh okay Yeah, I don't have that. Okay. I don't think.

Starting point is 01:45:07 That's so cool. But yeah, I went to a store and I was like, I just want to look. I've never bought like crazy shit like that. Like maybe the biggest thing I, like a wearable was like a thousand dollar pair of shoe. Yeah. Wasted my money. Fuck that. Never wear them.

Starting point is 01:45:19 Never do that again. I wear those cheap shoes. But yeah, I went in and I was like this guy like the guy, first of all, I've tried on a $300,000 watch without knowing. It was totally a sales tactic. He's like put the out because I'm looking at it. I have no idea. Look at Galaxy, bro. And then he's like,

Starting point is 01:45:35 Yeah, that's $275,000. Like, oh, I was like, get this shit off my wrist. Because, like, I'm not responsible here. And then, so then when I put on something else, which, uh, I won't say how much, but it was like, drastically lower. Yeah. And I was like, oh, this, that's nothing, man. That's nothing.

Starting point is 01:45:51 So I'll get it because it's like a sales tactic. You put on 300,000 anything below it. I want to see it. I'll show it to you after. Yeah. It's a really, like, I'm going to wear it for my wedding too. Um, but like, I grew up, uh, I grew up like straight up middle class, but my dad literally he's an electrician plumber

Starting point is 01:46:07 woodcutter like I'm like the dude's pretty blue collar so I learned and he and with that I feel like I have the values of someone that grew up you know not worrying about money but like very money conscious you know very like financially conscious

Starting point is 01:46:23 of don't waste your money you got to grind for your money you got to work for it you know like all of my dad's traits from growing up with nothing a good chunk of them were passed on to me and like people always make fun of me because I'll be I'll be like

Starting point is 01:46:37 can I get sparkling water and I thought it was free once and they were like dude that's me like eight bucks oh yeah I do they were like it's eight dollars and I was like I was like fuck that I don't want it anymore and they're like really dude like it's eight dollars and I'm like I didn't know it was eight bucks I thought sparkling water is free and then and they're like bro it's eight bucks like shut up and I'm like because you know I have

Starting point is 01:46:56 I can spend eight dollars on water it's fine but in my head my initial thought is oh I don't want that and I'm like I've heard you I think you said like you don't buy the expensive coffees or something, make them at home. So it's like, I'm the same way where I'm very frugal with my money. I don't like to spend it. And I feel like that's where I'm separate with other YouTubers where, yes, I do spend like

Starting point is 01:47:16 two to $5,000 per video, but I do everything in my power to keep that price as low as possible. Like, I, like, I fly, I barely fly first class. I had a phase where I did it for a little. And then I was like, my mom was booking the tickets. And I was like, wait, mom, how much are these? And she's like, oh, it's like, 800. And then I'm like, fuck that. So now my producer books everything.

Starting point is 01:47:36 And so she sends me all the prices and I almost always pick the regular. Unless someone else is paying for it. Then we do Southwest. Dude, I majority fly Southwest. I avoid spirit and frontier though. That shit sucks. What about your relationship?

Starting point is 01:47:51 What have you noticed this changed over the last year or so? I've definitely become more like conscious of life. I make jokes all time about my frontal lobe. I don't know if it's right there, maybe it is. Sure. My frontal lobe developing, I'm 24. Years probably developed like a year and a half ago or like a year ago.

Starting point is 01:48:06 It's probably like or you're still developing. But like it's a, I think it's a really important factor to realize like it like open up my eyes to to the world of what I really want to focus on. And I feel like slowing. I used to do four videos a month. And then I went to two and I was like, wow, I basically cut my stress in half. And it was like blissful. I was like, holy shit. As long as it's like a good move, I'll continue, you know.

Starting point is 01:48:33 and it has been. But I've noticed that that allows me to be much more present. Claudia is a very much like put your phone down. Let's be present here. Like yeah, we both scroll at night and times and shit. Like we're normal people. But, you know, if I'm on my phone too much, she'll be like, hey, like, put your phone down and just like, look around. And I'm like, you know, you're right. And I chuck that shit at the wall. But like my relationship's just been better and better over time. And I feel like as I've learned my priorities of life, like before it was like YouTube or die, now it's like YouTube and live. And like I used to, I used to easily be much more willing to sacrifice whatever the fuck, sacrifice happiness for success on YouTube. And now I'm just strategic with it. I'm like,

Starting point is 01:49:18 you get to a point where like you don't, you don't need to sacrifice your happiness and like peace to be successful. Like I'm like, I can just be smarter and make better choices, make bigger idea of videos. And we're fine. So I feel. like all that my life has become slightly more present slightly less stressful and more like life like i literally had a moment where i was like wow like this is what people do like they can like pay attention to the trees like what the fuck because i feel like i lived in my head for like a few years and i might one of my my biggest fears was being 30 and being like what happened and and not being not being able to say like oh dude glad i barely remember all that shit because what i have

Starting point is 01:50:03 now. I'm like, I think there's a way to do both. Sure. You know, at least, like, I feel, I still think that I'm a little unpresent in times, but I have waves. And I think my goal is to always just slowly get better at that. I mean, dude, you only live once, bro. You know, like, when I'm 80 and I forget that I ever do YouTube, you know, I got to make sure I lived a great life. I do. I live my life to the fullest, but I like, I have to con, I consciously think about that to do that. It's not just like, oh, I just get to live a sick life. Like, I got to think about what I'm doing, you know? And what's a question you wish more people would ask you? I feel like it's not even just me, but I think we all should ask people this stuff,

Starting point is 01:50:40 which is like, how are you really doing? I'm okay right now. Don't worry. I'm not like depressed. That sounds like that. I'm about to tell you I'm like dark. I'm not. But I don't think people actually ask questions they want answers to.

Starting point is 01:50:54 I think they just say shit. And I feel like people like I've learned like before when I was in that like just YouTube everything. I really didn't think about maybe I should. connect with people maybe i should like really get to know people it like didn't matter to me now it it does like i genuinely enjoy deep conversations like whether we had a mic here on a camera or not like i would love this conversation off camera but i think like that's why like when i talk to my friends i don't see often i try to be like like like how are you but i'm not i don't want it i don't want to

Starting point is 01:51:24 like dude i'm good how are you like no no no like i want to have a real conversation on how are you like, dude, I'm good, but like, you know, I've, my fucking OCDs been driving me insane or I gained five pounds and I want to, you know, then it's a real active, real conversation. And I think that that would be awesome if people ask questions that they really wanted answers to and not just questions to just like talk. That's interesting. That reminds me of like, are you listening or are you just waiting for a chance to talk? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think, I think that's one thing I try to do is because I went through such a hard time in 2018, I always never wanted

Starting point is 01:52:00 when someone's like telling me something to be like, okay, dude, when my grandma died, it was like, and I wouldn't be happy. I'd be like, oh, yeah, when my grandma died, I felt like this too. It's like, fuck you, it's not about you. You know, listen and be like, dude, I'm so sorry. Like, that's all you need to say.

Starting point is 01:52:16 You don't have to be saying these big things or making it about yourself. And it's not that I hate when someone does that, but I'm like, I think you were waiting for, like, waiting for a moment to talk. Like, you got that idea to talk about. just talk about your grandma like 30 seconds ago, you know? You see a click.

Starting point is 01:52:30 You see them like thinking trying to conjure up what they're going to say. And they just zone out. But that's why I think real, real like the people that I, that I, that I continuously, you know, I meet them, I hang out them or, you know, like I'm friends and I want them in my videos and stuff. Like I don't just have people to me in my videos because I'm like, yo, I want you in my video because you're famous. Like, fuck that.

Starting point is 01:52:48 I'll go find Joe Schmoe that just looks like you. Like I don't care about that. But like, if I like you as a person and I'm like, and you'd fit this great, like, come on let's go let's have a good time it's almost like back in the day i feel like i'd be like oh let's film with anybody anybody like just get my name out there which was a great tactic to begin with but then i get eventually i could get more selective like well they're not my friends like if i'm if i'm if i'm not really your friend like you know like i don't like i want like i was fine with having you guys here because i was like i feel like we'll have a good conversation you know and i don't mind you

Starting point is 01:53:16 can come here but if but if you were someone that i watched and i was like i've had podcast hit me up and like i'll come to you and i'm like i just don't want to be on your podcast dude like it gets views but I don't want to be in your podcast like I just don't I don't relate to you and I don't want to have to fake relating to you Thank you for coming on the show Yeah thanks for having me I appreciate it you've welcomed us into your beautiful home

Starting point is 01:53:33 What a gym down here It is incredible I love it here I'm very good It is a little bit in the middle of I know it is But you know Makes flights suck

Starting point is 01:53:43 Oh my gosh yeah BWI it's the airport nearby Or you go to IAD or like DCA DCA which is like DC It's either an hour and a half Uber or drive I just hate driving or a 30-minute Uber. 30 minutes great,

Starting point is 01:53:55 but it's way less options of flying. Yeah, that was the issue with our flight was that it was so expensive. It was double the flight flying out 30 minutes from here then driving all the way to D.C. And then having a layover on top of it.

Starting point is 01:54:06 I know. You got to go to Miami. Zero state. We got to wrap this up. We got to wrap this, Grant. Don't go on that. He'll just go on that spiel

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Starting point is 01:54:40 It really means a lot. What we did was we flew out of Vegas, went to New York, rented a car in New York, drove to Connecticut. Yeah, filmed a podcast there, drove from Connecticut in the rented car all the way down here, Maryland, and then we're going to drive to the airport and fly back. That's three days. And they paid me. We paid him so much money. So much money.

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