The Idiot - Chapter 4

Episode Date: March 26, 2026

Allen finally agrees to talk … and talk and talk, for 35 hours of interviews. M. wants to understand Allen on his own terms, to try and figure out how this scion of bohemian intellectuals ended up hiring someone to kill his ex. It’s hard for M. to believe everything Allen says, but over the course of their conversations, M. comes to feel for their cousin. And they think they understand what drove him to go so far. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.To find out about new shows from Serial Productions, and get a look behind the scenes, sign up for our newsletter at nytimes.com/serialnewsletter.Have a story pitch, a tip, or feedback on our shows? Email us at [e-mail]  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In April 2024, my cousin Alan was delivered to federal court in San Francisco for his sentencing hearing. It had been just under a year since the jury found him guilty of hiring someone to kill his ex-wife, Priscilla. The maximum sentence for this crime is 10 years. The cast of characters, the judge, the public defender, the prosecutor, and Alan were back in the same courtroom. All of them seemed the same, except maybe Alan. He was contrite, genuinely filled with a crime. regret, or so it sounded to me. He apologized to Priscilla, who was listening on Zoom. He promised that he would never again do anything to harm her or the children. He talked about his decision

to reject a plea deal and go to trial, and for a minute he didn't sound like Alan at all. He said that the trial had made him see himself as the jury saw him. It was embarrassing to listen to those recordings, he said. Your Honor, I am prepared to serve any sentence, Alan told the judge. If he got the maximum, 10 years, he would be almost 60 when he was released, and it would be hard to start over. But he said he had already suffered the biggest punishment. His voice cracked. He had lost all access to his children. And he continued, the torture I suffer every day comes from my awareness of the impact I've had on my mom.

He was really choking up now. I felt something welling up in my throat, too. Alan was no longer dressed like a dad returning home from work for the sentencing he was brought in wearing yellow prison scrubs over a white thermal underwear shirt and yellow crox knockoffs. Alan had his back to me, so most of the time I was watching Judge Curley. She was leaning toward Alan. She was nodding to every affirmative statement he made. Her face reacted to every word, it seemed.

Then it was her turn to speak. I didn't see it when you were on the stand at trial but I can see it now, she said. You acknowledge the harm. The judge had really listened, I mean she had really listened and observed Alan. And so she focused on the irony.

That's the word she used of the story. Alan's relationship with his mother was perhaps the strongest bond of his life. And yet he had been willing to deprive his own children of their own mother. So there's that in itself, Judge Corley said. And there were all those times that Alan made the decision

to go ahead with the murder-for-hire plan. Not just in that one conversation with the undercover agent, the judge said. You didn't have to meet with him the second time. You could have just not shown up. You didn't have to give him the gold coin. Then, you didn't have to wire the $23,000, and you didn't have to send the target package.

And you didn't have to tell him when you were going to be on vacations with the kids. So they wouldn't be there, right? So you had opportunity after opportunity, after opportunity, but she went forward because that was your intent. Alan's mother, Lena, had gotten dozens of people to write letters to the court on Alan's behalf. All of them attested to Alan's loving, kind, and supportive character. Some, including a letter from one of Alan's ex-girlfriends, were over the top and praising him.

The judge addressed those letters now. It's so tragic that you have been such a generous and helpful person to all these other people, she said. but we see that sometimes with domestic violence. She said those last two words staccato, like she was striking the gavel. And finally she said, Mr. Gesson, you were a lawyer. You were a barred lawyer.

You took an oath to uphold the law. But by your own testimony, your own testimony, you thought that you were going to bribe some official to have her kidnapped and removed from the United States. The sentence had to reflect this too. The thing in my throat that had been threatening to make me cry had dissolved. I was following the judge's logic, her righteous outrage. The judge sentenced Alan to the maximum,

120 months in prison, followed by three years of supervised release. Like an episode of a TV series, the hearing lasted exactly one hour, took me as a viewer through a range of emotions, and deposited me more or less where I'd started. I still had no real understanding of how Alan ended up doing what he did. The court isn't interested in why people do the terrible things they do. The court's job is to determine guilt and apportioned punishment. But for me to tell this story, I needed a theory of the crime, or a theory of Alan.

I needed to imagine what had been going through Alan's head that had made it seem that having his wife killed was a reasonable solution to his problems. For that, I needed to talk to him. I had asked through Lena, and she told me that he wouldn't talk, at least not until after the trial, and the sentencing, and the appeals. That last part would surely drag on for months or years more. Still, when I got back to my hotel after the sentencing,

I created an account in the system that facilitates correspondence with inmates and sent Alan a message asking for an interview. Next, Alan would have to agree to correspond with me and the prison would have to approve my message. But before any of that could happen, Alan reached out to me himself. He was ready to talk. I am M. Gessen and from Serial Productions and the New York Times.

This is the idiot. For using GTL. It's got it. Hello. Hello. Yeah, yeah, you hear me, hear? Allo. Yeah, thank you, you hear me, hear?

Hello? The last time I talked to Alan was a few weeks before he was arrested, almost two years earlier. We had never been close. We had never even been particularly friendly. In fact, in the years since Alan and Nena moved to the U.S., with O, I had rebuffed Alan's attempts to become friends. So Alan had no reason to trust me. And having seen Alan spend hours in the stand bending the truth,

I had no reason to trust him. Still, I wanted to hear what he had to say. In a message he sent before the call, he promised to give me context that had been missing from the trial. I wasn't sure how much time we'd have for our conversation. So as soon as I had made sure that we could hear each other, and I was recording, I switched to English. and ask him to get to the crux of the matter.

Correct. Okay. Well, so I guess what I want to start with was actually what was in your note, which was that you feel there was context missing from the case that, or that you consciously decided not to discuss. Do you want to tell me what it is? He was working closely with a Ukrainian politician whose name was Bdlaude Prutnik. He was opposed ally of...

Alan told a somewhat convoluted story spanning about a decade and involving Russian assets, the IRS, and finally a plan to build a bulletproof vest factory in Estonia, on which he was working with a guy named Alex Kisselovo, whom the FBI was investigating for money laundering. I know that I was just a relatively small part of a much bigger, picture. Maybe I'm crazy, but I think that in general, murder for hire is a more serious crime

than money laundering. So how could it be incidental to the bigger case? I'm not trying to undermine the seriousness of the charge. All of this had been discussed at the trial. It was all I could do to hide my disappointment and annoyance. I tried to change the subject. I asked about June 2019 when Alan took five-year-old O. from Moscow to the U.S.

This led nowhere helpful. It wasn't a kidnapping, Alan said. He and Priscilla had made a plan to move to America, and their lease on the giant apartment in Moscow was ending, and the landlord was breathing down their necks, and Priscilla had been dragging her feet on moving out. So while she was in Zimbabwe for a few days, he thought he could kill a few birds with one stone.

I used her absence to becki at the apartment. I moved all of all of our things into storage, and I knew that there would be a huge explosion when Priscilla came back. and we would have another violent confrontation, so he avoided I traveled with the U.S. to the United States, slightly ahead of schedule. Wait, so you moved all of Priscilla's stuff into storage and moved to the United States to avoid having a confrontation with the landlord? I can generally listen sympathetically, or at least neutrally, to all kinds of bullshit. It's part of the job. But you were about to hear me run right out of patience.

And did you tell Priscilla where you were in the States? I didn't. No, you didn't. I wasn't Boston. Not if I didn't, I didn't. Well, she was pretty desperately looking for where you had taken her child, and she had no idea where you were. But by that time, I know that Priscilla Ridge knew where we were. No, she didn't.

She saw the picture on Facebook and contacted my father. Right. And then you left, and she once again didn't know where you were. I think that's Prist. I don't think that's true. Oh, my question. I wouldn't. You know, it's, I can't tell you.

I do not, well, I don't see any reason why I would try to conceal it. I guess that's what I'm trying to figure out, yeah. Yeah, no, because it's a, I mean, I was recording this interview in a Barwood studio, and we're running out of time. The conversation had not gone well. Alan had told me nothing I hadn't already heard him say. I had just about lost my cool. I wasn't sure when or if I talked to Alan again.

You have one minute remaining. And then Alan surprised me. So should I call you tomorrow? What? The prospect of spending more time listening to Alan lie and deflect was unappealing. And still, I'd been waiting to talk to him for almost two years. Yeah, call me tomorrow. Okay.

All right. Thank you. Bye. One way to think of it was that each of us had a job. His was to bullshit me. Mine was to try to cut through the crap. We'd have to see which of us was better at their job. Do you want to pick up where we left off yesterday? We started to talk almost daily. First, we covered obligatory ground. Asked him about the things he was accused of doing. He denied everything. He didn't kidnap over from Moscow and he didn't have anything

to do with all the misfortunes that befell Presil and Zabwe, like when she was evicted, beaten, arrested, jailed. She has a tendency to blame me for absolutely everything that happens. Sometimes it's an act of God this time is the act of Alan every single time. When he went to Canada with, oh, well, that wasn't a kidnapping either. I needed a holiday. I needed a holiday. And I thought...

And he still denied, of course, that he wanted Priscilla killed. He only wanted her deported. In between rejecting all the accusations, Alan told me about life in prison. He talked about it the way we used to talk about our travels when the family hung out on Cape Cod. There was local cuisine. I take the cottage cheese. I mix it with cookies. There were the customs and beliefs of the local population.

I can look not a single Democrat in Nigeria in the U.S. Wow. That blows my mind. Do you have an explanation for this? And in a ghost, you know, the troops are more likely to commit crimes in Democrats. Alan was trying to connect with me. That wasn't surprising.

I provided a break in his prison routine, a link to the outside world, and at least something of a sympathetic ear. What did surprise me was that after about a week, I was starting to look forward to our conversations too. You know, the more you hang out with someone, the more you just hang out with someone. I would still point in the past week than we have,

the previous 50 years. That is true. I could imagine the parallel universe where you and I could be friends. I wasn't quite ready to imagine me and Alan being friends, but I was no longer feeling impatient. And so at this point in our conversations, I decided to try a different approach. So I was biking and thinking about our conversations

and thinking about your comment that there is a parallel universe in which you and I, are friends and I thought, you know, we have such an odd history because I don't, you know, I knew you as a little kid and then I re-met you as a teenager, but I'm not really in a position to sort of talk about your growing up and your experiences. So why don't we go back to the beginning? I guess as long as you don't have a preconceived or narrative to, into which I'm trying to squeeze it's why I'm very happy to go on

and trust your judgment. I often ask people I'm writing about to start from the beginning. In my experience, people will tell you who they are. So maybe Alan could tell me how a boy from an intellectual Jewish family in Moscow became a man who paid an undercover FBI agent

to kill his ex-wife. Sure, this was going to be an Alan narrative. I expected him to brag and exaggerate to try to ingratiate himself at times. and I expect him to lie about things that concern Priscilla directly. That's human. I mean, most of us don't try to get our ex-partners murdered, but all of us try to present our lives in the best light.

And still, all of us want to be known. So yeah, tell me, tell me about a little Alyosha. Alosha was very happy until he was 15. 15 was when Alan immigrated to the U.S. with his mother. I remember my childhood is very, very fun. friends, family, grandma, Dychev, basketball, judo, rock and roll. I was taking lessons.

Still, he said, it was a very poor life, but I realized, in retrospect, that you only realize you are poor when you look at it from the side. By first world standards, most people in the Soviet Union were quite poor. But there were so many gradations of poor

and so many shades of privilege, In the Soviet universe, our family was pretty well off. Alan grew up in an apartment in the very center of Moscow, a short walk from the Kremlin. Lena had gotten the place from our grandmother. It was the Soviet equivalent of a Soho loft. Everyone was always coming over for impromptive parties, with lots of arguing and some singing and guitar playing, often crashing at the place. But yes, Lena didn't have much work, and Alan's dad was out of the picture, so they had no money.

Alan says he remembers from a very young age, knowing exactly how many rubles and copics they had each month and helping feed their tiny family. I would go to the stores downstairs when I was three years older than myself, three and four. I knew every saleswoman in the bakery, bullishnan, next door, and I would walk into those stores, usually through the bed door, go say hello to my friends and come back with food.

There's probably some exaggerating, going on here, but I think the contours of the story are right. As Alan entered his teens, the Soviet regime began its rapid collapse. Lena's behemian circle went into overdrive. Underground writers started publishing. Underground artists started showing. Everyone started traveling to the West, and some people left the country altogether. It was a time for taking opportunities.

Lena, who had a brother in America, my father, had the opportunity to emigrate, and she took it. When Alan was 15, he and Nena moved to the United States. And suddenly, Alan's happy, scrappy life was over. They stayed with my parents and my brother in Newton, Massachusetts. Both of my parents worked from home. They lived in a three-bedroom split-level house that was too small for three adults and two teenagers.

Plus, Léna and my mom had never gotten along. It was not easy for me and for my mom. I'm sure it was not easy for your dad or for your mom. and so there was quite a bit of attention. I was 23 at the time and living in New York. I talked to my mother on the phone most days, but we rarely talked about Liana and Alan, because the entire time they stayed at my parents' house,

my mother was undergoing treatment for metastatic breast cancer. She died in 1992. In our conversations 34 years later, Alan never mentioned my mother's illness and treatment. Alan and my parents spend those months in two separate cocoons of despair. Alan was lost outside of Moscow. living in. Basically, my life was extremely protected, very secure. I knew everyone, everybody knew me,

you know, it was familiar language, familiar culture, everything made sense. And then sort of losing all of that and finding itself in a completely unfamiliar environment where you're not understood. That to me was so much more disturbing. Here, everything was unfamiliar. All the culture, you came here, you came to the state, you were 12? It was 14. No, no, I know exactly what you're describing. Yeah. Right. So you know exactly. Moving to a new country as a teenager is one of the hardest things a person can experience. It's certainly one of the hardest things I've ever lived through.

I went from being cool and articulate and having a friend group I would do anything for to a lonely loser who felt dumb all the time. So did Alan. And there was close to... My younger brother Keith. who was, like, popular and successful and you're five weeks apart in age? Right. And then, well, Coister was a star, because he really was a valedictor, and he was the most popular boy in school.

He was truly the biggest star in students in South High School at the time. You know, he got into Harvard, and he says he scores above the charts. My brother was the captain of the hockey team and the football team. and an editor of the yearbook and an editor of the school newspaper. And Alan, who showed up sophomore year, was his unathletic, inartic, unarticoled cousin from the old country,

who wore weird clothes and was always trying to shake people's hands, which people apparently didn't do in the South High School. And he was poor. You know, I remember stealing quarters from Koester because Koistia would have money for lying around,

or I would be sleeping in a mattress in his room. And when he came home, He would dump all the change from his pockets onto the floor. So he would have the piles of coins around the room that he didn't care about because he didn't count the money. He never thought about the money. He never had to have a job. So I would pick up a couple of quarters and buy myself chocolate milk in the school cafeteria because I didn't have a couple of extra quarters. So it was a very much rich man, poor men situation where I was the poor man.

I didn't You know, when his friends came over I sometimes tried to hang out with them But Perishay Kapulik was Third wheel The third wheel, exactly

That description got to me The mattress on the floor The quarters on the floor And my brother who was busy Being 15 himself Oblivest to the indignity Of being a new immigrant Alan and Lennon

had been somebody's in the center of Moscow and now there are nobodies in Newton, Massachusetts. And they didn't even want to be in Newton, Massachusetts. One day, Alan told me, Lena had what sounds like a panic attack. Well, she was crying, and she was just kind of just to, it was very difficult for her. She was used to living by herself, you know, being her own person since she had me.

It's difficult for her to just to living under someone else's roof. So I haven't seen my mom cry. Maybe I've seen her cry maybe five, six times in my life. So this is one of those times that made a very big impression on me. And what did you do? I think that basically I told her the next day that we should probably rent an apartment and I took an initiative. She agreed we calculated the budget and we were able to find the apartment within the next couple of days.

So basically, I moved us out. It's true that they moved out after about eight months. The way my father remembers it, it was because my mother had become too ill for anyone else to stay in the house. What I remember is my mother telling me that she knew Lena was scared to be in the house because my mother was dying. What Alan remembers is that he saved the day, saved Lena, and saved himself. He took charge. Beginning with his first job, rising through the ranks at Star Market, from bagging groceries to wringing them up to becoming the fastest cashier.

I set the store record of being able to scan 36 items per minute. Alan pulled himself up by his bootstraps and pulled, and pulled and pulled. He got a job with a roofing company and worked 30, 40 hours a week while attending high school. That may have had something to do with why he was rejected by 19 out of the 20 colleges

he applied to. The one that accepted him was Babson. Then a little business college just outside of Boston. The official preppy handbook called it a place for rich kids who have to wait four years to go into daddy's business.

Many students had a lot of money and not a whole lot of interest in doing college work. Alan, on the other hand, had no money, no daddy's business to go into, but a lot of interest in everyone's college work. He organized what he called a tutoring business. I mean the word business was accurate. Tutoring was used loosely. It was more of a business that had students at places like Harvard, write papers for students at Bapson.

It was Alan's first successful venture. How big was this business? Over a thousand clients. Wow. About 25 writers. How much money did you make? I'm not sure I reported it fully to the IRS, so I would rather not say. But it was, it supported me fairly comfortable at that time.

You and your mom. Just give me a ballpark. I would say that maybe in a very good month I would make about $10,000. Wow. That's great. That must have felt very different from the first couple of years of being an immigrant. It was, no, it was, but it also was, I think, socially it was important because I was needed. So it was, I suddenly had something to offer, which helped me deal with main securities.

I was popular, I was in demand. I think that it was as much about my social status as it was about, the money. Maybe it was more about social status than it wasn't like the money. Alan loved being useful. He had always been useful to his mother, from the time he was a toddler, if we believe that story, but now other people needed him too, and he needed to be needed. From then on, Alan continued his pursuit of more money and more social status. After college, he went to law school in Connecticut, he didn't then move to Litchfield, and got a job at a law firm in Manhattan after graduation, then he lost that job.

Alan explored several career options, joining the FBI, to think he could have been David rather than being ensnared by David, or the CIA. And then he got a job that changed his life. Alan was hired by McKinsey, the international consulting firm, and was launched on his path to becoming the Allen. I joined McKinsey in Moscow, which was probably a miracle for me. because McKinsey in Russia at that time

was a very small group of people that was in the center of the economic transformation of the post-Soviet economy. I was familiar with what Alan was describing. I was working as a journalist in Moscow at the time. With the oil prices skyrocketing, Russia was entering a period of unprecedented prosperity. A new Bentley dealership couldn't keep cars in stock.

Men with connections had picked up dilapidated factories in Moribund oil refineries at the post-Soviet fire sale in the 1990s. Now they found themselves sitting atop ballooning megafortions, and the slick young American consultants for McKinsey were in hand to help them clean up their enterprises, make them less like mob businesses, and more like regular businesses. Less killing, more board votes and stock issues.

And we were doing transformation projects for every company that mattered. And I think we're all focused like supermen, kind of changing the world and changing the economy. Everything we'd done was in the newspapers at the time. We were in every company. And it was just, and I felt like I became a character in an adventure book. Forget Law School, the law firm, the unsuccessful bid to join the CIA. Alan was finally living up to the potential he had shown in college

when he was rich and everyone needed him. Moscow was the adult version of that life. equally exciting was that I became very popular among women but strange lack of any interest towards me by American women who was completely balanced

by the women in Russia and how do you explain the difference well it is I okay so it's either me or the women right so

I I think more likely that gender roles in the United States are very different than from the rest of the world. As a result, sort of my macho character, which works really well in Europe and Africa, does not work well at all in America. And when you say macho, what do you mean? that there's a strong man who pays the bills, who opens the doors, who gives lots of gifts, that kind of who's the stronger part in the relationship. Really, Alan? This is what you took from your bohemian upbringing and your intellectual family?

It was hard for me to believe. But yes, it seems that Alan took his macho chivalry act very seriously and that it worked. Women loved being do-down-owned by Alan. I interviewed Alan's first series girlfriend, and she told me that she still thought of Alan as one of the best people she had ever met. He made her feel taken care of. Alan's second series girlfriend wrote a letter to the court.

She wrote, The way I felt with him, I can wish every woman to experience this. Alan supported her when she lost her dog. He was there for the family when her cousin died in a car accident, and he arranged for the best health care when her grandmother and then her grandfather became ill. Quote, it is only thanks to Alexei that my grandparents were alive for many years after.

And he was romantic. How did I feel with him as a woman? The ex-girlfriend wrote in her letter to Judge Corley. It's fun to imagine Judge Curley reading this one. I felt like a goddess. He gave me gifts ranging from the best face cream to my dream car, just as a surprise. He made sure I drank more water and went to the gym. He taught my English and faith in myself.

Alexia showed me the world and its possibilities. And it wasn't just the women. Other letters to the court mentioned how generous Alan was and how empathetic. When one of O's music teachers suffered a stroke, Alan brought him groceries and also figured out how to help the man out of some tax-filing predicament. Alan funded a struggling student's film project. When he found out that a woman's husband was beating her, he extracted her and her kids and put them up.

He helped build a custom-designed pool for an injured elephant, This was a sight of Alan I'd never really seen. Almost more surprising was that Alan had never bragged about any of this. He portrayed himself to the family as an international man of mystery, a smooth operator at the edges of the legal universe. But secretly, he was a universal benefactor. He volunteered to solve everyone's problems, and people paid him back with love.

Alan was 36 when he was in Zimbabwe in business and met Priscilla for the first time. His gift-giving big living ways worked on her too. They were together from the moment they met. A year into their relationship, Priscilla became pregnant. But at just six months, Priscilla went into labor.

Rush to the hospital, she had an emergency C-section. And then I saw a-a-for the first time. In the hardest months of Alan's life began. How, yeah, what did he look like? Um, He looked like a very, very, very, very, very miniature child, one-seventh, one-eight of the normal birth weight. I honestly didn't think he was going to make it. I remember the doctor trying to see if he's breathing, he was.

About a third of all babies born as premature don't survive. Another third have profound lifelong disabilities, blindness, deafness, other neurological damage, cognitive disability. only a third recover fully and go on to live healthy lives. It would be weeks, even months, before anyone would know which category O was in. It was just, that constant, unyielding worry, constant stress, like absolute constant stress. In the other sense of helplessness and I find it very difficult to be in situations where I cannot affect the outcome. And for me, it was very difficult to accept. Alan had to do something, many things.

It was a lot of things. It was changing the lighting because all the children in the unit were under direct, directed very bright halogen lighting. I put in a sleep apnea mattress because one of the biggest risks is they still breathing. Alan fixed rubber to the unit's doors so they wouldn't slam and wake the babies up. He brought it in a speaker system and played calming classical music. Eventually, Alan ran out of things that money and enterprise could solve. I went through my entire repertoire of Russian and English songs and Polish songs.

Camped out in the NICU day after day, what did you sing? All he could do was keep vigil. And wait. After two and a half months, his son came home. He weighed just over four pounds. but he was miraculously healthy, no eyesight problems or breathing issues, or as it gradually became clear, developmental issues.

When my own daughter was five weeks old, she landed in the NICU for 36 hours, and then I spent a week in the hospital with her recovering. That was 24 years ago, and yet every time I think about it, I feel as scared as I have ever been in my life. Alan spent 75 days in the NICU with O. I knew that before our interviews, of course,

but when I listen to Alan talk about it, I heard that fear and that helplessness that I myself will never forget. So there's some things I believe without qualification. I believe that Alan loves O, that he worries about O and his daughter, L, though he has spent very little time with her. You never forget what your child looked like

at their smallest and sickest, and you never stop worrying. And this meant that Alan was now trapped. He loved his tiny son desperately. If he had to stay up nights for the rest of his life, if he had to stay bedside and sing stupid songs forever, he would. He could never leave him. But being next to O forever would mean being stuck forever

in a marriage that was making Alan increasingly miserable. Much of what Alan had to say about the marriage seemed to me pretty self-pitying and blamey. Alan accuses Priscilla of not infrequently cheating on him. Given how often they broke up and got back together, I think it's fair to say that there is a lot of disagreement about when exactly there was cheating and when they were on a break. That said, I do think that especially in the later years,

he had moments when he was genuinely distraught. In one of our conversations, he described a moment of emotional pain that, it seemed to me, he still himself didn't quite understand. Like once, like she just told me about one of the times and she cheated the enemy. And I started wailing, just the scream of pain.

And I think I was just wailing for about 15 points in minutes to the point of function because really getting scared and I just couldn't stop it was like this like this like this screen that was coming out and um I felt that like that it took time when I felt good and like I felt like I felt a little wish it was fine and we were back on track and like bam it would like it would like press and back down and I would need then take again several months to recover from it and to kind of move on and bam it happens again It just, it was like that for basically for seven years. Still on the whole, Alan's description of the marriage and its ups and downs

is pretty similar to Priscilla's. There were good times, but more and more frequently bad times, punctuated by what Alan describes as blowout fights. One difference in their accounts, though, is this. Alan is convinced that Priscilla never loved him. She was in it for his money, his loyalty, perhaps his problem-solving abilities. to be sure they had a very messed up relationship, but I was genuinely surprised that he had come to this conclusion.

I have interviewed Priscilla a little bit, and she talks about you as about someone she loved. Like, I had no doubt in all our conversations that she was talking about somebody that she had loved. Well, I guess it's a tragedy to find out no. I mean... Pasha, let me... Go ahead.

Let me be redialed you because I'm not sure how to respond to this. He called me back after he had collected himself. He said, okay. Maybe Priscilla did love him, in her own way. But it wasn't enough. He never felt cared for or supported. Alan had never met a problem he couldn't solve, or couldn't at least try to solve.

He offered ingenious, creative solutions. Once he told me, when Priscilla was going to leave him for someone else, he suggested that she go spend a week with the man and decide if she really wants to make a life with him. She didn't leave him that time. Another time, when they reunited after one of their separations and it turned out that Priscilla was pregnant, Alan proposed to stay together through the birth of the child

and possibly raise the kid as his own. That pregnancy ended in a miscarriage. And when she miscarried again and felt desperate, Alan offered the most inventive solution of all. move to Russia and have a baby by surrogacy. There was only one problem with all these solutions. They didn't solve anything. At the end of the day,

Priscilla and Allen's relationship was Priscilla and Allen's relationship, and all the non-solution solutions only added fuel to their fights. By the summer of 2019, Alan was separated from Priscilla, but he was condemned to co-parenting O with Priscilla forever. So here's the theory of Alan, a traumatized kid, a guy who's known loneliness and humiliation

and has made up for it by making himself useful. A guy who earned people's love by helping them by solving problems. But he couldn't solve his Priscilla problem. Couldn't make his wife love him. Couldn't bear that she didn't love him. And couldn't figure out a way to be with the son he adored without also constantly being reminded

that he had failed to earn her love. So he took the child and ran. And when Priscilla caught up with him, he ran again. and when she caught up with him again, he decided to have her killed. This is a perfectly workable theory, and it's true as far as it goes. But there's always more to a story.

And because Alan is my cousin, I know what the more is. It kept coming up in my interviews too, with family members and friends of the family, and of course Priscilla. So I don't think I can end the story here. After the break, my second theory of Alan.

When I talk to people about Alan, they often respond by talking about Lena, his mother. They talk about the way Lena brought Alan up to be her sole source of support, and affect her partner. They talk about Lena and Alan's symbiotic relationship. One friend described having a conversation with them as akin to watching a television show with two co-hose who seamlessly hand lines off to each other, like Lena and Alan are of one mind. They always had men. Lena and Alan lived together for most of Alan's life, even though. even when he was in college, and in law school,

and working in the first couple of years after law school. So when Alan started dating, Nana was there, always. Alan himself told me that his first serious girlfriend, whom he met in law school, had three specific complaints. So one was that I would tell my mom too much about our relationship. One was that I would The right to spend more time at home than she should wish And the third one was that my mother

When she came to visit, had often expressed opinions Expressed opinions By this he means that Lena told people how to behave One time she provided written instructions To Alan's girlfriend, Anne Lour And Lourne came to visit us at our house Englishville and my mom just finished reading Amy Vanderbilt's book on etiquette and my mom was very impressed with Amy Vanderbilt's thoughts so there was one chapter specifically about how to receive

guests in the country house and how to be a guest in the country house so and low arrives as a guest and mom says oh by the way I read this amazing book you should read this chapter and she ends my girl book in etiquette, opened into the chapter of how to be a proper guest in the country house. So, Anne Lur, of course, interprets it as a hint that she is not suggesting herself correctly and that now she needs to read the book in etiquette. I talked to Anne Lauer, and she confirmed that, yes, she was very, very upset by being handed a book on how to behave. Alan, on another hand, seems to have found his mother's interventions amusing and basically

harmless. even though, as Alan grew older and more independent, at least on the surface, Lanna's meddling became even more pronounced. When he was in his 30s, Alan moved in with a girlfriend for the first time, a Ukrainian named Katya. Lena came to visit and saw Kays' collection of tiny decorative houses. Some of which Lena concluded were, this is a direct quote from Alan, not decorative enough and kind of destroyed the feng shui of the house. Lena called the collection, leaving only the sufficiently pretty ones on display.

There was some truths to that, to some of the house was not necessarily pretty, but Katzsche felt it was a bit of an institution. And then years later, when Lina came to visit Alan and Priscilla, she went further, rearranging the furniture and the garden. When Priscilla came out, she was very surprised to find the house changed. So Priscilla Fallon began with mother's initiative to be a bit of a new position. I know that Alan's repeated use of the word imposition. I think if my parent came to visit me and my wife and rearranged the furniture, I would use a different word, a words, like, I got you a hotel room. How did you handle it?

I think I told Priscilla that it would be easy enough to arrange the furniture back after my monster party a couple of weeks later, and that perhaps we don't need to make it into a big issue. I don't necessarily think she agreed. I told him that it might be better not to take initiative, but I don't think Mom agreed. She thinks that beauty is absolute, and therefore if you can have beauty,

there is no reason to compromise on it. You've probably heard the cliche beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Lena hasn't. She knows that she sees right. And I think for the most part, Alan agrees. Plus, you can always put the furniture back when she's gone. and I guess the bushes that she had gardeners cut down would grow back no big deal, right?

It was a very big deal to Priscilla. It was clear to her that the issue wasn't beauty. It was control. Lena wanted to control Alan's life, including his physical surroundings, even when he lived thousands of miles away, especially when he was living thousands of miles away. Teaching manners to your 20-something-year-old's girlfriend

is funny overbearing Jewish mother stuff, having furniture removed from your married son's house is highly unusual, and I would venture not funny. After O was born, it seemed to Priscilla that Lena wanted to control O too. His schooling, the books he read, the language he spoke, the clothes he wore. She wanted it on her way, which was the right way, and Priscilla was in the way. In the end, this is what Priscilla thinks it all bows down to. I think I am the single bad thing that probably existed that stopped them from doing what they wanted to do, which was primarily his mother wanted to raise my kids the way that she wanted. She wanted to teach them.

She wanted to do everything. And I stood in her way. And if I wasn't there anymore, she would be free to do. what she wanted, which would also give him the freedom that he needed to just function. Yeah, and I think he felt like he couldn't function at all as long as I was around because she was constantly nagging him about it, and she lived with him. So it was like a 24-7 problem. You know how it is when you're like with a partner who keeps drilling it into your head that they hate this, they hate this, or whatever, you start trying to figure out how to fix it

and know anything becomes an option. So I think what motivated him actually to go ahead with this plan was to appease his mother. Granted, Priscilla is basing this on her own, highly specific experience of Lanna. But Priscilla is not alone in this view. My father concurs. He thinks that when Alan took the hit out on Priscilla, it was a solution to a persistent problem.

What do you think the problem that he was trying to solve was? To make my sister happy, so she would have all the time, and she will not hear from Priscilla ever. And what makes you think that that's the root cause? I know Lena's and a relationship and I know that Alyosha would do anything

to make her happy and if that was the way to do it okay, so let's go that way. He'd do anything to make his mother happy. This came up in a lot of my conversations. It showed up in the letter Alan's first year's girlfriend wrote to the judge. She wrote that Alan's

quote, main purpose was to make sure his mother, Lena, was well and comfortable. His world began with her, unquote. And it seems ended with her. This young woman ultimately accepted that there was no place for her in this closed world. To be clear, Lena was never charged with any crime. She was barely even mentioned during Allen's trial, and I don't have a reason to think that Lena knew about the plot to kill Priscilla before Alan was arrested. But my own conversations with Lena supported my second theory of Alan. It was Lena who first mentioned to me the idea of needing to do something about Priscilla.

This was several years before Alan and Lena first took O. At the time of this conversation, O was a toddler. Alan and Priscilla were separated, and Lena and I were at a family gathering in Moscow, helping carry food from the kitchen to the dining room. Lena paused, holding a platter, and said, I want to ask you advice on something. How do I get Priscilla out of O's life?

It was clearly an invitation to gather my thoughts on the matter and give Lena advice later, an invitation that assumed I would want to help. You don't, I said, meaning you don't get Priscilla out of O's life. I said she's his mother. We continued carrying food. She didn't raise her question again, and I didn't think about it again until 2019, when the family got that Facebook message from Allen,

announcing that he and Nela had taken O to the United States. Then that scene in the Moscow kitchen flashed in my mind. What struck me the most wasn't the question itself. It was the guilelessness with which it was asked, the certainty that, as Alan would later text the undercover agent, Our Cause is Just. There's a concept in psychiatry, Palaude, which means madness for two in French.

It's when two people shared delusion reinforced this belief in each other and act accordingly. The belief Nanna and Alan shared was that Priscilla was a bad mother, and it was their right, their duty even, to get her out of O's life. Though again, there's no indication that Lena wanted Priscilla dead.

After Alan was arrested the first time in Canada, Lena wrote to the family chat about what a terrible parent Priscilla was, as though that justified taking O from her. And less than a month before Alan was arrested on murder for higher charges, Lena and Alan met up with an acquaintance and talked at length about wanting Priscilla gone.

Not about killing her, just about deporting her. The friend said that Lina and Alan were finishing each other's sentences, talking about how, after Priscilla had gotten Alan arrested in Canada, this is how they saw it. The gloves were really off. Their cause was just. I needed to ask Alan about his mother's role in the series of events that ultimately landed him in federal prison.

I needed to tell him that Priscilla suspects that his need to please Liana played a big role. And I needed to get his reaction. But I wasn't sure how to approach the subject. I thought it might leave it to our last conversation. But to my surprise, Alan brought it up himself. We were talking about the two times he took O away from Priscilla to a different country. She very much blames my mom for those decisions. And she sort of projects onto my mom my decisions that were not hers.

So I think that they were my decisions. my mom traveled with me, but it was not because, I know, to make the decision. But that was search. You know, I think Priscilla is not the only one who imagines that your mom was sort of the mastermind of these. I actually think it's true of a lot of your mom's friends or former friends. Maybe. I mean, I don't know why, but my decisions are very much my own in regard to. But it's interesting what you just said, because I think that a lot of the time people don't understand who is, who decides what, but we have been quite independent for the last 20 years until my arrest.

And I'm surprised that people perceive it that way. Well, I'm not, actually. I'm not surprised because I think that they're guided by their experiences with your mom, which are not dissimilar from what you were just saying, right? Like, whenever she's somewhere, she's teaching people how to live, how to take care of their children, telling them what to do. And so, you know, I think that that's where their minds went when they learned about older troubles. Right, so, yeah, no, I've, I've, some of those influences.

But, no, I see what you're saying, yes. But anyway, no, so those were mine rather than my mom's. Yeah, so anyway, I was just, but it's interesting. Yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right. My mom, that's country is a pretty strong and in certain personality who knows how others should live. That was a lot of Heming and Hong. It's understandable. Alan wasn't just trying to defend his mother.

He was defending himself. He didn't see himself as doing his mother's bidding. He had been independent for, well, you heard the man, 20 years? So, since he was about 30? Jokes aside, it's true that by the time Alan was in his 30s, he had solidified his identity as a problem solver. For oligarchs, colleagues, beautiful women, and their grandparents,

but most of all, for his mother. and his mother had a problem with Priscilla. The writer Harriet Clark, who has thought deeply about prisons and has spent a lot of time talking to inmates, told me once that people do horrible things because the noise in their heads becomes intolerable. That idea has stayed with me. When I was looking for a theory of Alan

and the other theory of Alan, I was looking for the source of that noise, that thing that made him feel like he would do anything to make it end. I think I found it. On the one hand there was O, The little boy Alan loved so much. On the other hand, there was Priscilla, the first woman whose love Alan had failed to earn,

despite all his problem-solving. And every time he saw her, he was reminded of his humiliation. But that's not all. Contrary to the laws of nature, there was a third hand, Lena, whose love Alan also needed to earn. And the way to earn it was to give her control over, well, everything, but particularly O.

Alan could live peacefully, even thrive, when it was just him, Lena, and O. I suspect he could have managed if he had to deal only with Priscilla and O. But trying to figure out a way to co-parent O with both Priscilla and Lanna turned the noise in his head up to an intolerable level. Alan and I spent a total of more than 35 hours talking about his life, his kids, and his crime. And then we were done. So I've gotten to the end of the story as it exists now, what do you think? Oh, I think so. I think so, yeah.

I guess that we should have already discussed what the future might look like. Mm-hmm. But... Yeah, tell me what you're thinking about the future. So I am reasonably optimistic about the appeal. And the appeal is... Reasonably optimistic is Alan's peak for Hope Springs Eternal. At that point, Alan hadn't even spoken to the lawyer who had taken on his appeal,

but he was sure he'd be getting out soon, and then he would start reclaiming his life. Once I've overcome the legal obstacles and ensure it will take some time for the children to come to terms of them back in their lives and to digest and absorb and somehow get over the entire criminal story, that I will be able to rebuild a relationship with them, and that's probably at this point. more important, which is by far more important than any other considerations they have in terms of my post-release plan. That is actually one of the main reasons why I didn't be too plead guilty,

which is I did not want there to be a bit of paper where I'm saying I wanted their mother dead. By the time we're having this conversation, it was early June 24. And I was on my honeymoon, spending two hours every morning talking to Alan. I talked to him briefly the morning after the actual wedding, too. He asked about his kids. Had they been there? How had they seemed? Yes, they'd been there.

It seemed great. Elle commandeered the microphone at one point to sing a song, or what she seemed to think was a song. Before going upstairs to join some of our wedding guests for brunch, I logged onto my computer and looked through some photos people had taken the night before, picking out pictures of Elle in her red dress and O in his nice shirt to send to Alan. There had been such longing. his voice when he asked about the kids.

At some point I realized that the kids were the reason he decided to talk to me, to make his case to me, and threw me, in the broadcast medium, to his kids, that he never wanted to kill their mother. O was just about old enough to look up his father's case on the internet. A jury had concluded that his father had hired someone to kill his mother. But what if a trusted adult made a podcast that said it wasn't quite so bad? Wouldn't that be nice? then maybe Alan could have a relationship with his kids after he got ahead.

And at some point in our conversations, I did begin to wonder. Like, in the jury of my mind, maybe 112th, was wavering. Then I reviewed the evidence. There was no way around it. Alan was guilty, and he was lying. And we were done with our conversations. Tell me, it was not sure. Yes, well, it's been a jury.

It's been fascinating. and I really appreciate you're doing this. Before we quit our weeks-long habit, Alan had one final request. I do see my kids in talking much more now than I do. So if

you see them here, you're really so concerned, just please stay involved and to the extent you can help look after them during this time can say enough. I appreciate it. We were done, and we were, we are, once again, stuck where we began.

Alan is still guilty of hiring someone to kill Priscilla. He's still lying about it. And he's still intent, as intent as he has ever been, on claiming his place as O's and L's father. And he's going to be out of prison in just a few years. What is my family going to do? What is Priscilla going to do? What can anyone do?

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