The Ins & Outs - Back To Basics, Where Do You Start Inside & Outside?

Episode Date: September 18, 2023

It's back to school and so we're going to take you back to the basics. Where do you start when you buy a new home or start a renovation?From spacial planning, to flooring and paint tips inside and outside.InstagramJojo - @houseninedesignPolly - @pollyanna_wilkinsonWebsitesJojo - https://www.housenine.co.uk/Polly - https://www.pollyannawilkinson.com/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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So I'm going to ask you how the hell I start doing that and then I'll tell you the same. How are you, Paul? I am so happy. Are you? Back to school, baby. Did I survive? I did survive. Do you know what, my friend?

I mean, you know, we've talked about this a lot. Juggling school holidays and not only being a working mum, but working mum who runs her own business. It's a lot. Yeah, it's pretty pretty full-on and the mum guilt the mum guilt that comes with it as well right because it's i've had to rely on camps quite a lot and i feel guilty every single day do you yeah boys don't love it no how old are your boys now oh test me seven and nine um but they you know they like it just fine but they'd rather be at home and i feel really bad i feel really guilty and sometimes when i see other mums handing their kids over i feel like

oh it's not just i don't think you should feel guilty because don't forget it's that you drop them off they make you feel guilty and then as soon as they're in the gates they're having a whale of a time much better than they would be if they were at home no offense i'm sure they love home but no it it's fair. Kids are just very manipulative. Preach. I think they're probably having an absolute ball at summer camp. Turning around here, I think it's more guilt of the fact that we want to be spending time with them. It's not that they're probably not having a great time.

It's that actually as a mum, we feel like we want to be spending time with them. That's how I felt this summer holidays. I felt like, and this is a new one for me because it's Ziggy's first year first year first summer holidays I cried on the reception teacher actually at the gate and she told me to pull myself together when I picked up Ziggs from her last day of school so that's quite emotional but obviously for me it was a bit of a yeah double-edged sword because on the one hand I was really excited to be spending time with her but I had to work but then I also had to like work out and juggle how, what to do with her. So I wanted to be with her. I really wanted to spend time with her, but I had just didn't have time. Oh, it's so difficult. It's a long old time as well though, isn't it? It's weeks and weeks and weeks. So now back into the routine, kids into

school, they're in their routine. They're happy. I don't know about you. My kids just love routine. Just like to know where they are, what's happening's going where and then I just feel like now September buckle down it's kind of a new year for me September's more of a new year than January yeah I know what you mean do you do you feel like again it's all new this is so new to me even the thought of going back to school is very new I don't even know how yeah I know obviously Rocky's still a nursery. So I'm kind of trying to manage taking her to nursery whilst doing the school runs. And so I don't want to willow away time, but I'm looking forward to being on the same, same program, same program with both of them. Yeah.

One drop off. One drop off. Yeah. I'm kind of looking forward to that, but trying also not to willow away time. I get it. No, I need to take a leaf from your book. You're better at that. You're like, you're very emotionally achieved. I don't think I've ever cried on a teacher have you not maybe that's a goal for

this year I would yeah I'm gonna get some tears out of you Polly on this podcast I'm gonna pull some tears out of you of my cold dead heart um okay right so back to work yes okay well I say back to work you haven't stopped working. You had a couple of holidays. Who stops working, my friend? Do you stop working on holiday? No. So it's back to it. And with that, it seems like it would make sense to talk about back to basics. Back to basics.

Back to school. Back to basics. Back to school. Back to basics. House and garden. Where the hell do you start? Is there a room you're meant to start with? Paint's a great place to start. But is there a room you're meant to start with paint's a great place to start but is there a room should you start with my kitchen is always the it's the hub of the home

so i'd say always invest money into a kitchen okay invest money into a kitchen and invest money into really good quality upholstery and the rest i always say it but there's nothing wrong with polishing turds because turds can be made to look beautiful if you cover them in glitter put a bit of glitter on it just chuck it on there okay next question but invest in places like kitchen utility pantry if you can get one in like those things bathrooms obviously i mean i'm actually going through the whole house now but the rooms that don't have any plumbing or anything hectic like a bedroom you can do pretty lightly light touch if you move into a house my gut right

when I'm moving into mine is I want to rip out all the carpet straight away and paint everything some sort of shade of white like color will come later but just to make it less unpleasant I think most people are like that there's something about when you buy a new house and you move in the energy is a bit off because it's not yours and it might not sort of smell or there might be certain things you don't like paints transform everything but of course if the color the carpet's gray i'd say get it up and get it out but i would say another place to really consider spending money quality wood flooring oh yes and i would take it up the stairs and into the bedrooms i'll take you upstairs oh come on anytime baby um oh i bloody love a wood floor because it's easy to clean

it refreshes the room lovely big rugs area rugs i'm all for that do you know what my one complaint with a wood floor is though so when i lived in camberwell way back when in my cool days in my cool days i was once cool there was it got so dusty like there was just cleaning enough don't clean shame me but no but this is what's really disgusting if you think how much dust collects and hairballs and things collect they do that on a carpet you just don't see them and that's why i don't like so much about carpet so okay it's the it disguises all sorts and therefore i think when you move in somewhere new and you've got carpet down i'd get i'd get them professionally cleaned if they're nice so you're the heaps a bit you're not of the view that you know you know there's a saying when

people die or you have a big change in life that your men are like live with don't make any big changes for a year right that's like a thing is that my counseling coming back that's not true you know every project and you'll say this about the garden i'm sure every project is so different so there are certainly things that you can get away with leaving and i would always say get a feel for a house see how the light falls through the window different times of day how you really want to live there there are obviously things that would benefit from living in a house first but and I'm talking about working with an interior designer we figure out those things for you but if you're doing it yourself it would be beneficial to live there first because it could be all sorts of little things like

you know lights which could be in the wrong place or sockets or something's not working very well or and before you sort of go and replace it you might actually think do you know what actually I really like the way this positioning is of this room or I was thinking of moving that under that window but actually I realized that it's north facing and actually that wouldn't be very practical or whatever so there are definitely benefits to living somewhere but then if you're planning really well, you'd figure all those things out properly from looking at layouts and floor plans. So live there, but bin stuff which gives you the ick straight away. Like if you've got a really fricking horrible red carpet,

get fucking rid of it. Just get it out. I would literally rather have crappy old floorboards than a rug of carpet that I had to look at that just felt like it had been lived on for 25 years i just would say get rid treat me like an idiot because i'm not interior design trained i'm garden design trained hit me with the plant questions but absolutely is it floor plan is it like spatial absolutely spatial planning what are you using the room for work out plot out the room get your bearings of what's going to be going in the room okay how you want

to live in it what you're going to use it for and then go for color like think about the colors you're going to be putting in the room i would say paint colors also just throw stuff out on a table get some fabrics get some colors get some paints down but one thing that's really worth knowing this is actually not many people know this when you take a paint color and you put it on a table it's a totally different color if you lift it up and put it on a wall stop it so never look at a paint color flat on a table because you're not going to paint the floor you're painting the walls and it's going to change on every wall of that room so that's really important paint is just an absolute game changer like it's a dark art there is i mean it is yeah but paint charts i don't think people think about this paint charts are so cleverly designed

paint charts are designed in a way that you can see what's got pink in it, what's got yellow in it, what's got brown in it, what's got blue in it, you know, so that you can, depending, I mean, it's very easy to know. It's a south-facing room. It's going to get more light. It's going to get sunshine. Sunshine's got yellow in it. So anything you put in the room that's got yellow in it,

say a paint colour that's got yellow, it's going to appear more yellow. It's a really, really good place to start i would say it's paint color and we can delve into that in so much more detail i want to because now i'm wondering if you paint a room blue but it's a set of what does the yellow we'll get to this because that's look i mean so much around color science and psychology so what blue does to you it's a cool color it's sort of a depressing color let's say but it's also a great color for concentration, it's a cool colour. It's sort of a depressing colour, let's say. But it's also a great colour for concentration. So it's a brilliant colour for, and conversation.

Concentration and conversation, bizarrely. So it's a really good colour to have in a dining room or a study. But you wouldn't necessarily want blue in a bedroom because it feels quite cold, a bit oppressive. So there's rooms where you want to use colour and where you really don't. Like hallways. I tend to keep hallways light because you want to walk into a house and really don't like hallways i tend to keep always light because you want to walk into a house and feel welcome and feel open it feel inviting you

suddenly paint it like dark blue it depends on the look you're after you're creating like a it's much more moody isn't it cool it's yeah it's a real mood setter there's a reason that mcdonald's is red and yellow why is that reason red is the color for hunger and yellow is the colour, it's an uncomfortable colour, it's the most uncomfortable colour to be in and you want to get out. So red induces, so red is what makes you hungry, you sit and it makes you hungry.

Yellow is the colour that makes you want to get out of the room. So it's a fast food restaurant. So it's all scientific. You blow my tiny mind. There you go. We will talk way more about colour in the next episode. We've only just like cracked the lid open. I feel there's so much to talk about. There's much to talk about basics for me is paint it's paint flooring and furnishings i would call those your basics but your most basic basic basic basic

basic basic is do you draw the room you measure it and draw it yourself and then you would draw the bed with like you choose your bed you want a super king you want a king you want a double you want a single whatever you draw it in yes do you guess the size of bedside table you want and then go shopping for it or do you find the one you want and then draw it in this is where people make a mistake really good question this is that this is actually exactly where people go wrong i think people get overexcited they're out shopping they're like oh my god i love this bedside table they buy it they get it home they put it next to a six foot bed and it's absolutely tiny yeah and then they put a lamp on

it that's completely the wrong size so this is where getting stuff down checking measurements is absolutely key like if you've got a six foot bed super king bed which is likely to be in your master bedroom if you can fit one you want to have a decent size bedside table you don't want a little piddly 30 centimeters bedside table it's just puny and it just looks wrong like it's wrong if you have only got space for little tiny bedside tables then you want to consider putting wall lights on the wall instead of having a table lamp oh it's all coming now so it's not then wobbling around next to i guess that makes sense when you draw it you're drawing a big old bed if you've got this tiny little circle next to it, it looks wrong. So you can see that instantly.

You can see that. But I mean, a lot of people obviously, I mean, I obviously, on my expert calls, I have lots of calls with people about layouts. And they've drawn up their own layouts and they're presenting them to me. And it can be really basic. It can be people just doing it on a piece of paper with a ruler. And you can kind of work out scale roughly. Take the agent's plans, do a bit of a scale drawing you know get a scale ruler you can pretty much plan out your own floor plan to make sure that everything fits because i think that's one of the biggest

mistakes people make is that they try and get too much into a room or they see something they love then it turns up like three weeks later rip open the box and put in the room and it doesn't fit i mean planning layouts is essential that's a real layout is step one step one don't go buying your furniture without making your plan a bit like don't go to the supermarket hungry yeah take a list take a list now tell me just as a segue on bedrooms do you allow for a chair of crap a basket of crap a basket of crap you're more of a basket girl are you yeah is it only for dirty clothes I fill it with all sorts it's got hair dryer in it it's got a straightener it's got probably socks probably yesterday's pants um lovely yeah it's I mean it could have anything in there and then usually the entire contents of my wardrobe that I've tried on that day before I

go to work which don't you just fucking love when you can't decide what to wear in the morning so you just take everything out put it all on and then throw it on the floor. And then I just pile it into the basket to make myself feel better. And then I sort it out at the end of every day. Oh, do you? And then the beat goes on. I know that everyone says, you know, just put your crap away. No, you don't have time to do that.

Who has time to do that? It's neither clean nor dirty. I am one for piling things. So I don't like shit everywhere. I like to see things in a sort of order. So my thought of an order is just a pile, a neatly pile. So I'll always make my bed in the morning. Do you make your bed in the morning?

Yes, but do you know what? And this is another thing. Can we come back to this? I do make my bed. I do. I'm a big grown up, but my bed doesn't look like a grown up. Your bed looks so grown up with all the cushions and the throws and the accoutrement. If you're at a point in life when you're ready to lead with purpose, we can get you there. the cushions and the throws and the environment to energy, government, and technology, it's your path to meaningful leadership in all sectors.

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That is like, it's bed goals. Good word. Thank you. It doesn't look like yours and I would like it to look like, come and make my bed. I'll make your bed for you. I'll stop it. I'll make it for us. I'll make your bed for you. Yes. So I do make my bed, but my bed is like pillows and a duvet as opposed to yours which is like oh heaven but that's what makes me tick so you've got your layout you have allowed for your basket of crap and clothes storage and then you choose your furniture so like presentation so powerpoint presentation or cut stuff out if you really don't have a not very it take the item you like take the colors take everything you've got and put it on a mood board and chuck it all on the mood board all the furniture fabrics and everything and as you swap something out check the measurement of say chucking chair

yes make sure it's the same on your floor plan so just everything has to always make sense but then things like i don't know if you see cushions don't just buy the cushion and assume it's going to work with that other cushion you've got put them on a board together side by what comes first paint and floor or furniture all together just plan the whole thing okay plan the whole thing because the color that you're putting on the walls tonally has to work with everything else that's going on in the room okay has to be quite considered it's all quite considered it is very good yeah it is so basically and this is really tricky and i think a lot of people relate to it or maybe not maybe it's just me i have loads of furniture from life from even some of it probably from like my first flat yeah in earl's court yeah

some of it's a bit crap i've just not got rid of it yet what's tricky is when you're trying to like shoehorn old furniture yeah into a curated room and like the luxury of what both of us do is starting with a blank canvas isn't it but i imagine it is difficult when you're trying to work with stuff you've got it is and of course it all comes down to money and i'm not one to chuck stuff away okay if it ain't broke don't fix it can you repurpose it can you repulster it the problem is upholstery is really expensive by the time you bought the fabric and had it reupholstered it's probably going to cost you twice as much as it costs in the first place so you've got to really love it but also one man's rubbish is another man's treasure yeah so you can always sell it okay gum tree it just don't hold on to something just because

yeah because the likelihood is it's ruining the entire room scheme don't hold on something that's like a turquoise sofa mate i know i've got a turquoise sofa i'm not taking it with me in the separation all right we haven't said no that was over time when velvet sofas of that color were very cool okay listen i'll take a whole lesson in trends a teal velvet sofa any day over a navy velvet sofa. I'm sorry anyone that I've insulted, but navy velvet sofas are just... But there was a time when that was very, very fashionable. Who chose this sofa for you, Polly? Some arsehole. It looks very lovely.

It is very lovely. It's a house nine. Look, everything has... So there's things that are going to hold on to time. And there's other things that are going to be fads not timeless over time but then look i'm assuming that if people are listening to this it's because they like my designs and what we do and i don't put navy velvet sofas in schemes but i equally if somebody a client came to me and said i've got this velvet sofa i bloody love it and i just bought it or it's come down from 20

years down the line i love it we'll make it work of course we will okay then bringing elements into it so if you one thing to do is to take the thing that you've got that you really want to hold on to and if you decide you know i really really love this i'm going to hold on to it put that item on your board and work with it and work with it design around it design with it design around it bring everything else in that's going to work with it don't like don't just assume it's going to work and it don't like don't just assume it's going to work and create room scheme then stick it in the corner because it will be the it will be the the elephant in the room we need to talk about this another time as well because

i think trendy pieces probably don't have this as much in gardens because you don't have well i suppose apart from like hanging chairs no there are trends are there like what oh god those water features i'm going to offend someone. Apologise if I do. They're like a wall with a slit and water sort of flows out of it like a sort of wet tongue. Oh. Oh. That's really weird.

But they're, you know, they tend to be white render. And they're very, like, late 90s, early 2000s. So there are trends in gardens. Well, it's modern. So modern, for me, anything that's too contemporary and too modern will always date. So anything that's square, white, render, modern, same as furniture, that's a bit kind of has a time and a place, I think. Anything that's too modern, I just don't think will last. Do you not agree?

No, you do. I'm just having a little bit of a moment here where I've never seen it as describing it as modern. The gardens that most people love, and if you look at Chelsea Fajot, for example, the gardens that people love are the traditional gardens. The ones with the old red brick. They're timeless. They're classic.

Almost a lot harder to do and probably a lot more expensive, no? Yes. I would say the reason a lot of people go contemporary in gardens, maybe they like the look, but I would say it's probably because it's a lot cheaper. You paint fences black, don't you? Yes, I do.

Yeah, why? They make them vanish. Isn't that the most bizarre thing? I know. And it's something that when I found out at design school, I was like, clutch my pearls. But it's amazing, particularly as most fences are a bit gross. Unless you're going to really a bit gross unless you're

going to really go baller and you're going to go for something really nice cedar fence and that's going to cost you then if you've got that really typical um feather board fence you know cheapest chips everyone's got them usually they're in a variety of tones because you're sharing boundaries with other people so you've got like a brown one and then a slightly pale yellow one and maybe if you're lucky a green one then it's so much better what i would say is it works better in an urban space it looks a bit weird in the country if you paint it all black the goal isn't that you leave all the fences black and then you don't grow anything up because that would be very austere things in front of it exactly yeah so then you're planting loads of climbers or a hedge or whatever in front of it. And it's essentially just being a, it recedes into the background.

There's something about brown. You can see it in my garden now. There's a bit of fence and it needs painting. That's quite old fashioned, isn't it? Back to basics then for you in the garden. One of the number one things to look at before you've even done a planting scheme. That's like the last thing to do. Planting scheme.

That's the last. So, but would you say a quick fix in a garden that you moved into? Paint the fence. Yes. First thing to do planting scheme that's last so but would you say a quick fix in a garden that you moved into paint the fence yes first thing to do sort your boundaries out are you allowed to paint a fence if you're on about if you're on a if you share a fence only if you own it so you share a fence with a neighbor you don't someone always owns the fence you might share a hedge how do you know who owns the fence usually when you buy it by a house it's on the it's on your deeds often it's not it used to be if you've got the gosh that's bad side as in the side with the rails then it's yours but none of this applies anymore there are no fixed

rules usually it will be on your deeds when you buy it someone will tell you or your neighbors are sure they'll tell you sure enough if you said to your neighbors i want to paint my fence on my side black they wouldn't mind. No, a lot of people really do mind. Why? Because it often bleeds through. It doesn't. It depends on your fence.

If you've got one with loads of gaps and you're a little bit slapdash with the paint. Oh, like a hole or something. But you are not allowed to paint a fence if you don't own it. If your neighbour owns it, in theory, which blows my mind, your neighbour can paint your side of the fence if they wanted to. That is so interesting. Because it's theirs. Because I think if you were to say to a neighbour, I'm going to paint my fence black, they'd be like, oh God, I don't want you to do that.

That sounds awful. Well, because most people worry it's going to bleed through. Right. Some people bloody love looking at their brown fence. But it is also, honestly, since learning this from you about black fences, I'll always see a fence and be like, it should be black. And I get it and I totally get it now. It should have been black. And more importantly, should have grown some stuff up more importantly should have grown some stuff up it should have grown biggest mistake everyone makes in gardens is just leaving naked fences naked fences fences are like your pants no one needs to see them

depends on the pants to be fair on the special occasion but yeah generally the odd person can you know you want to you want to hide your pants and you want to hide your fences right but you with like you in a garden where would i start layout spatial planning and whereas you're looking at how do you use it where do you want your bed i'm looking at where's the sun and we'll do a whole other session on light because oh man there's so much to say but essentially when you're looking at the garden draw up your list so um so forget planting forget don't even like literally planting is the last piece of the puzzle because i guess also for you well that's okay because as you say with the light where the light is we will go into this in more detail yes the sunshine

is the sun comes up at different places throughout the year it moves around lower points higher points winter summer so if you were to sort of stick something against a wall you're like I found this amazing hydrangea in the garden center and I've got it home and I'm going to stick it there because it's going to look great yes and then it gets no sun yes so almost best waiting completely the reason I asked about what to do when you move into how should you wait is there is some merit in a garden in waiting because you need to see it in the seasons because it's not until you've seen it in seasons that you understand how you're going to use your garden

because as you say light moves but it's the real time to watch your garden is the summer which i appreciate we've just missed but you've still got time and you're watching where the sun is some people want to eat in the sun some people want to eat in the shade some people love to sunbathe some people don't i like to think of a garden as the times of day so where are you going to sit in the garden for a morning coffee so then you want you want somewhere east facing which is going to get morning sun in the east where do you want to spend the middle of the day if you want to eat in the sun loads of people do until it gets too hot then watch where that is that's save that spot for you there's sort of a mantra choose the sunniest spot for you then in the afternoon if you want

sundowners with friends if you want some you know little little cocktail then you want west facing sun that's your evening sun so you need to watch your garden and just it's literally the same as you drawing up a bedroom for example you just draw your rectangle. It's better if you measure it, but you don't have to. And just scribble, just maybe set an alarm on your phone, go outside at 9 a.m., lunchtime, 4 p.m., 7 p.m., and just mark where the sun is. This is amazing. We recently, you might know about this,

I think it was an app we found at House 9, where it does like a tracker of the sun. Oh, I don't know this app. It's literally tracked the sun. I just used my eyes. Yeah, where it forms, where it literally shows you where the sun forms at different times of day. Amazing. In a garden.

But it allows you to see the shadows and where the shadows and where the sun is throughout the day. So your rule of thumb is? Follow the light. Follow the light. And that's where you do your zones. So as soon as you've seen that, it's as simple as going, as going well that's morning coffee that's where we're going to eat and that's where i'm gonna sit and drink gin that's so interesting so when you've got that and then you've got your wish list as well so with rooms obviously each room naturally kind of has a use

doesn't it your kitchen is for cooking your bedroom is for sleeping or whatever but your garden you need to choose how you want to use it your house has kind of got a built-in list of how you're going to use it to a degree your garden doesn't and so you have to choose your rooms yeah is it a playroom is it a dining room is it a chill out space so then you choose them outside you can't have them all in a small space you can always do if you are a plant lover and you're doing working on this at first rather than living with a concrete jungle you can obviously get pots can't you lovely big pots yes i'm going to delve into terracotta and zinc do you have a preference no i like both i

just like them big i love them big i can't be doing with i love big ones i can't be doing with with small pots there's um if you want to clutter a garden that's how you do it so you've got your zones once you figure out what it is you want to do in your garden and what you want to do will depend on the size of your garden if you've got a really compact urban space you need to be really strict with yourself about how you're going to use it you can't fit everything into it you'd be better to choose like we're gonna have sundowners and it's a kid's play space rather than going and we want a dining table and i want cut flower garden like you can't fit it all in and it's that same

thing you can't fit everything in a room you have to choose whereas if you've got a bigger space then it's about carving it up into your uses once you've got that zone yeah then you choose your materials and then you choose your plants got it so that's super high level there's a bit more to it but that's once you've got your layout same with you layout first don't start planning your electrics and lighting until you've got your floor plan your layout sorted exactly so you're going macro to micro big picture layout then your materials i would say that sort of choosing your paving outside is kind of the equivalent of you choosing your flooring and your paints and you put that on your mood board you can do a mood board so you've got your layout you know where everything's going to be and what it wanted to be so that's the

equivalent of your floor plan inside then you're picking your materials so you're paving for example that's going to be the equivalent of you choosing your wooden floorboards or your paint so put that up on the mood board and then you're going to start thinking about furniture and plants and those are your kind of the plants the most exciting bit and the bit that people often end up buying first and then trying to wedge into the garden is actually what needs to come last when you understand the sunlight so get them all on the mood board exactly like you would indoors yeah it's amazing the parallels my friend thank you so much for joining us on our second episode of The Ins and Outs. Please don't forget to like, subscribe, share, give us a holler, and of course, give us any feedback.

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