The Ins & Outs - Botox, nakedness and how not to renovate

Episode Date: February 24, 2026

Pollya and Jojo are BACK! In the first episode of our spring season we catch up on life ince the last season including Jojo’s cottage renovation, botox and blephs, food poisoning, thailand, and of course, whats in and whats out.This episode is proudly sponsored by the glorious Oka, creators of globally inspired, British-designed furniture and accessories, crafted with beauty, comfort and unique style in mind.Listeners can use the code OKASPRING15 for a 15% discount at www.oka.com.Valid until 16/3/26 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Green, the color of you see I've been waiting for you, waiting for you. Welcome back to the spring season of the ins and outs with myself Polly Wilkinson. And myself, Jojo Bar. Man, it's good to be back. In this episode, we are having a right good catch-up. No questions this week. Sorry, guys, we got carried away, but there's a lot to catch up on. We are talking Jojo's renovation.

We're talking Botox, Blephoroplasties, and the... patriarchal beauty shaming. We're talking Thailand, chickens, and what Clarence left on the sofa for Jojo. So let's dive right on in. We are so excited to be sponsored by the beautiful ochre. And we are bringing you their spring summer 2006 collection, which is a joyful mix of pattern, texture and uplifting colour, inspired by cultures around the world. It's everything ochre does best, feminine motives, the charm of English entertaining and pieces that feel collected, comfortable and beautifully lived in. Oka, thank you so much for sponsoring our podcast.

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and there are outdoor cushions. And I have left mine that I personally own and bought them at lockdown. So gosh, that's five, six years ago. I've left them out in all weathers. Not through the winter. I'm not crazy. But, you know, in the summer,

they stay out there. They haven't bleached and they haven't gone revolting. So to me, that is the testament to a banging outdoor cushion in some particularly delightful patterns. Good. You'll see them in actually quite a lot of my photo shoots as well. There you go. And yours, I'm sure, Jo, you know.

There you go. Hello, you old tart. Oh, my God, this is so exciting. We're back. I've had the jitters all morning. I had to go to the Lou twice, pole. I was like, I don't remember how anything works. I had a, I had a, I have a basket full of all.

all my podcast gear. And I was just like, obviously just a sort of crazy tumble of wires and, you know, leads and microphones that I don't use anymore. And I pulled this thing out and I was like, shit, what do I need? What do I do? What do I need? Pollywood killed me right now because I bet yours is not like that and it's probably very organized and like nicely displayed on your desk.

Whereas over here I'm just a hot mess. And I was like, do I need a memory card? Do I need that? Which microphone do I use? Which, behold, do I stick this in? Anyway, so here we are. I found the mic. Obviously, took a little while to get set up over here, but we're back.

We're back, baby. Where does one start when we haven't been on air for this long? Where do we start? Well, I was looking back. So our last app was November. Okay. Gosh. So we've not had any updates on life and goings on since November.

We've had a lot of questions about life as well as, obviously, our ins and outs questions. But why don't we kick up? off with a little update on the reno from your side. So Renno, my cottage is finally finished. Six weeks late. Isn't it? Yeah. It's finished. Well, they're still in there. So when I say finished, it's not finishes in, I haven't put any furniture in there, but they're kind of just going around, like, tiny little snags and stuff. It's a funny thing when you're renovating your own house, because I obviously haven't done it in, oh my gosh, the last house I renovated for myself was 15 years ago. It's been so long that I've, and obviously my career has gone on such a journey.

and I've obviously worked with so many different clients on renovation since, that it's been, it's giving me real perspective and a reminder of what it's like to be in the other person's shoes. And of course, it is a luxury having an interior designer because we come along and we're the middleman to sort of navigate and, you know, sort of logistics. And obviously we have all the contacts and suppliers. But when you're suddenly doing it for yourself,

I haven't wanted to burden my team with it. And I did everything, everything I teach you guys, to do. Like what? Everything. So I thought I sort of had it pretty much like elevations plans sorted. And then of course you start getting into it and it starts happening and you're like, ooh, look at that picture. That's nice. Oh, should just add that little detail. And then he's in there and this poor contract. Every time I go and I was like, oh, you wouldn't just add that little detail and you wouldn't just do this. And it's all the little details of like the shower room. I pick the most like wild tiles, which are like these gingham tiles, which is at gingham with tiles

is like just not fun for anyone. And then you make them handmade. And so each one is slightly different in colour. And of course the tiling then ends up taking three times longer. And of course you're paying for that tiler to be in there. Indeed. So it all just start spiraling and spiraling. So of course I've gone over budget.

He was chasing me the whole way through for things as well. So I didn't have everything organised for him. I didn't have things in schedules. But you know what? It's been a great lesson for when I come to do the actual house. And I'm getting my team to do it. And I'm going on holiday. So that's that.

Excellent. I did it over to a project manager, Jobs a Garden. Listen to the internetounce podcast to all the things that I did wrong and get yourself an interior designer. And when will you be sharing it? When will we be able to have a good ogle? Well, I don't know for anyone that started watching my little YouTube documentary. Ogle. Ogle. Isn't it an ogle?

Right. Yes. So you're going to get an ogle on my little YouTube documentary that I've come out recently. Yeah. So we've been doing, I did a little tour on there of what it looked like before. It's only when you take a look back at what it was. It was a red brick, a shell, essentially, with no running water, just big old navy blue roller door. And that's it.

It had nothing in there. It was just a shell. And we've turned it into this really, really cool little cottage. It's called the cottage now. I think we were calling the hideaway and there's too much connotations and links to Love Island. We don't want any nooky-nooky going in there for a while. No, nooky? No, not for a while, yeah.

I don't want to encourage the girls to be having any nooky any, you know, when they're 16 years old. I wasn't talking about your children. Oh, Will. Oh, me and Brad. Yeah, yeah. Your sub-age 10 children. Yeah, but I don't even want them to be doing it when they're 16. I can't imagine.

I just can't. Oh, Brad and I, yeah, having it everywhere. Well, that's official. What are the rooms going to be? What is it going to be in the closet? So you come in the little stable door and you've got like a living room with the TV. And although actually, to be honest, we're going to probably put Brad's running machine in there because he's running the marathon in the summer.

So he's going to get, and then probably my reformer. but we're going to have set it up like a little living room and then it's got lovely the kitchen is to die for and then upstairs is a little double bunk so you've got a sort of twin bunk under the Eaves and then on the other side you've got window seat and a little dressing to a little desk so a nice little place to go and work and look out over there

by the way if you can hear drilling that is the contractors over in the cottage so sorry there's a mad buzzing noise going on but I haven't sorted out any furniture I've got some bits and bobs from the house that I'm going to take over there because I don't have the budget to go and blow a load of money on new furniture. But I've got a few bits coming from Oka, the lovely Oka.

I am so excited about this footstool from Oka because I've wanted it. I've literally wanted it forever. And it's so perfect. It's called the Pomona and it's a storage ottoman. And it's got these flowers. So it's got these amazing horizontal stripes that go around the base. Obviously, we know I love a stripe. And then it's got these beautiful flowers.

Paul, you would die for this thing. I feel like this is right up your street. It's called the Pomona. It is so beautiful. I will link it. Anyway, how exciting. That's going, Pride of Place. With my current sofa, it was moving over there in the cottage.

And then a little wine sideboard from Oka and then just, yeah. Do you know, I'm all for slow furnishing. I'm not like, I'm not, get the main bits in. But then the other things I don't want to rush it, I want to do it properly. It's no rush. So we're just going to probably use a few bits and bobbing. that we've got around the house and then as I find things that work in that I'll get them. Do you know what, actually, while we're on furnishing,

this hopefully might even be remotely helpful, because I'm conscious we're just going to have a good witter today. My living room, almost finished now. I've got your lovely house and I sofa in it. I picked up this banging Georgian side table from Tepbury, which I love, lovely dark brown. And I need another side table. And I have been finding it really hard picking one

because if you've already got a bit of antique furniture, it's really hard to know what you pair that with other than more antiques, but if it's contemporary, and because obviously side tables, you only really need one or two of them, right? Like either side of a sofa. I don't want something that's matching,

because I can't because it was a one-of-a-kind antique piece. But equally, it looks weird if I suddenly just put in, like, I don't know, a red lacquer, very cool side table, but it has no context. Yeah. Like it has no friends. You're a wizard. I don't understand.

When you're picking pieces of furniture in a room, how do you make sure they all go together if you've by and large gotten sort of antiquee on everything else? Or maybe you only need like three pieces of furniture because everything else is built in. Tricky. It is tricky. I think the wood tones are really important.

I think where you've got an antique, say you've got a, what timber is it, do you know? It's a really dark brown. It might as well be mahogany. I don't know if it is mahogany, but it's very dark brown. So this is where you could bring it. I'm in almost like a bronze, a little bronze side table that's maybe got a little glass top or something.

So you don't necessarily need to bring in another wood. You can bring in a metal. Could look really nice. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. And actually, maybe that's the thing. It's mixing the formats. It's really like the material mix is the art.

And also, by the way, because I, because Oka are amazingly sponsoring this, which is a total honour, by the way, because I've, Oka, yeah, as an interior designer, I mean, I've used Oka since day. And since we are being sponsored by Oka, I'm actually going to give them a shout out on their side tables because they do beautiful side tables. And they actually even have a metal bronze side table that would be perfect poll for you. I shall go and have a look because I've been agonising over them because there's also they've got obviously a green one, which I've been like, oh, could I get the green in that? And the room has no green in it. It's got no context for green. It's a pink and red and mustard room.

And I was like, just because you love it doesn't mean it's the one that you should choose. And I think that's quite important with a lot of design, isn't it? Absolutely. Just because you love it doesn't necessarily mean it's the right one for the room. Absolutely more. But the green, I am very into. So anyway, there we are. That's my little catch-up.

And very exciting. The next stage is that we are going and planning this week on the house and hoping to start in March, which is literally two months away. I know. We'll be. A month away, pal. A month. So, yeah, it's a month.

doesn't it? Yeah, yeah. I think how time flies when you're having fun. And so we are, yeah, hoping to move into this little cottage. We're going to have to probably get some sort of, I think, a little trailer or a caravan outside on the driveway to clothes and things. But then we also didn't really consider the cats. Oh, I've got something to tell you about the cats.

Oh, God. Actually, if I have to duck off this call for a bit, it's because I've got the vet coming over. that sounds very boozy that I have a vet that comes to my house but my cats have never left our house since we've had them they've never been in a crate and gone to the vets I've never had a vet when they came around to do what do they call it when they take the balls and things off

the bit of bits boys castrated clarence when he first moved in but they did it on my dining table so he's literally never left the house and I can't bring myself three and a half years in to put him in a crate and take him to the vets so the vet's coming round Do you think every time he looks at that dining table, he's triggered? He's triggered, definitely triggered. Yeah, definitely triggered. He actually puts like a middle claw up at it and he just goes right now.

Anyway, there's actually behind, can you see this state behind me? I've got this gigantic sofa piled on top of another sofa because we're going to be moving furniture into the cottage. Came down yesterday morning and there's a massive pile of sick on the top of the sofa. So obviously, we need help pants. They puke everywhere. It's really annoying. went to clean up the sick prepare yourselves guys if you're a bit screamish you might want to like switch this bit off oh my god Paul there were three of these

what can only be described as they literally like they look like this they look like the apple headphone wires about the length of my little finger Worms thread worms massive massive thread worms

oh my god it was I literally recoil I recoiled I honestly, oh my God, it was the most disgusting thing I've ever seen. Is it worth when you find them in your cats sick or in your kids? You know, you just got that feeling that goes all the way through you. I couldn't look at food. I couldn't consume anything yesterday until. It's absolutely revolting.

So revolting. And I was like, now I don't know what to do because obviously the cats have been a bit sort of, they've just been eating an awful lot. And obviously, I'm terrible at it. I'm such a bad cat mum because I just like, they live in the countryside. They're basically wild animals. They're having a great time. I basically warmed them like once

I think since I've had them there'd be so many people out there being like you're awful women and your cruelty to cats I know it's awful so I'm going to get this vet around he's going to put them on end upotics and he's going to tell me everything I need to do going forward because I can't have that again I can't witness what I saw yesterday

it was like horror film stuff horror film disgusting I feel like I've banged on for about 10 minutes so it's your turn now please bang on you can bang on now so well what did I do I went to Thailand in late December, early January, which was, if I'm honest, not the most successful trip in the world. Come on spill the beans. What happened?

Well, my darling son had whatever that thing was, that flu, was it COVID, was it flu? I don't know what it was, that sort of super thing that was going around at Christmas. And I spent the entirety of Christmas trying to be a loving mother whilst also trying to not be infected by him, which required a lot of hand washing. Got on the plane and was like, oh, we've got away with it. got to Thailand, day one, Colin came down with this flu. He was sick for the entire thing. And then paired with that two days in, I had what I could only describe as the most spectacular bout of food poisoning I've ever had in my life.

So are we talking both ends? We're talking all the colours of the rainbow, my friend. You were talking to Todd on the big white telephone. I was. But, I mean, I think the low point for me was when I thought I was past the worst, went to go lie on a sun lounger for a bit, realized that no, I wasn't. and as I tried to get back to the room to hug the toilet bowl, I couldn't get there in time and had to be sick in a flower bed

in front of a group of very lovely Thai gardeners. Oh, no. That was certainly a low point for me in the holiday. Was it a nice plant though? To be fair, what I did, I did find an unassuming corner, which was just a little barked area, and it was pure water. Sorry for the too much information,

but at that point there was nothing left. So it was just water. It was more of a watering the plants situation. But it was a low point. And I felt very distrustful of food for the rest of the holiday, obviously, as I think you are once you've had food poisoning. That scars you a little bit. That one sticks with you.

I'm not sure I will ever eat a chicken saute again. Oh, God. No. I could just depict you then, just like peaking in a sort of Thai bush. And then being like, oh, that's a nice shrub. And then pulling your phone out to take a photo using the... I did think not the plants. Oh dear.

Oh, dear. That was, all column was really, really unwell with the flu. He was heroically trying to get through this holiday. And eventually he had to go to a Thai doctor because it turned into a bit of a chest infection. Oh, no. How long were you there for?

Ten days. Ten days. So it was just a complete write-off, basically. Look, we made the best of it, but it was definitely not the dream. No. But there we are. Oh, wow.

But anyway, so there's that. And the chickens send their warmest regards. They're very well. No casualties yet? Touchwood. No casualties. All in fine fetal. Okay.

Wow. That's good. Can I just ask, on a scale of 1 to 10, how much are you actually loving chickens? Like, are you really loving chickens? I love them. Really? Yes. Okay, that's so good to know.

We're through our first winter with them, and I have no regrets. Okay. Except Colin fed them beetroach the other day. Oh. Which was a questionable decision given we have white, fluffy chickens. and they all just looked slightly like cannibals after they ate it with these, like, and now their feathers are pink.

Pink. That'll look. I think that's nice. Try these things. Can I change the subject to something else I want to talk to you about? Because another question we've had loads of. And I've been storing this one up in my hamster cheeks, you know, as I like to do.

Everyone wants an update on the Botox. And with that, I have been desperate to talk to you. And I know that we, on the one hand, are very much everyone should do what they want. But I've been desperate to talk to you about Emma Stone and Jennifer Lawrence and how amazing they look. Okay. And Lindsay Lohan.

I know that your team age gracefully and I'm team age disgracefully. But what I really want to have, and I've got to hold off, I want an upper bleph or a plastic. Tell me what this is. Well, you know. The plastic is nose, isn't it? Colin very, very sweetly describes them as my droopy eyes. But basically, like, my eyelids are really low. Like if I wear eye shadow, you can't even see it.

Because it's like... My mother's, my mum's best friend had it done. It's incredible. I want it. Why not? But I've been told hold off till 14. because it only lasts about 10 years. Oh, really?

And then it happens again? The sooner you do it. Well, just I think everything drops. Oh, right. So, but I really want it. And I think that's, I, well, who knows. But I think that's what some of these celebs, which have just revealed themselves looking spectacular have had.

But who knows? But the deep dive into TikTok would suggest that was the case. The thing is, you look at some people. Oh, my God. You know, look at like Kylie, Kylie Jenna. I always get them all mixed up, the young one. She's had a complete face. facial resurface like restructuring her face doesn't look like it did at all like when she was

younger like the jaw nose the cheeks everything she looks obviously beautiful i have but a face is almost it's almost like a perfect face but we don't look like that and i don't think we as us normal gals need to strive for total perfection i think it's like tweaking we can do to make ourselves feel better but i don't know what is it what is it we do it for like are we doing it Are we doing it for... Well, this is it, mate. I think, as you said, there's a lot of shame about doing it, but I think there's all...

I think there's a lot of... What I don't like, I don't like the opposite, which is everyone should age gracefully and everyone shouldn't do what they want. I don't really like the sort of opposite thing of being like, no, you mustn't. To me, it's like, just do what you bloody well want. There's enough doctrine on women

about what we need to be doing. I agree. If you want to do it because it makes yourself feel good, don't do it for the patriarchy. Don't do it to please others. but if it pleases yourself and I appreciate that we've all been conditioned through a lens of ideal beauty standards that we can all tackle. But I just am not interested in making anyone feel bad for their decisions, whether that be doing it or not doing it. So here's a question with you, Paul. I'm so curious. We are a household of naked. I believe, like, I walk around naked, Brad walks around naked.

aren't I lucky. I'll be around in a bit. And I want my kids. So a lot of people sort of hide their bits from their kids because they're like, oh, kids are coming. Right. Willie put the Willie away. We're very much like a let it out.

Let it like let it normalize. This is my vagina. That's Daddy's penis or Willie. Here are the tits, girls. Like I'm going to just put it out there and say I had a boob job when I was very young. So I've got fake boobs. So I'm also like these, my boobs as that girls, don't judge. these boobs on any boobs. Like boobs and boobs, there's loads of different boobs out there.

Mommy has cracking tits. My mum, my mum... Don't worry if yours aren't as good as these. My mum's actually a nurse. So she used to do smear tests. And honestly, my mum would say to me, she said, because I'd be like, oh my God, you've got to look at vaginas all day. And she's like, darling, once you've seen one vagina, you've seen them all. They come in all different shapes and sizes and hair in different places and different colours. And she said, honestly, no one vagina is the same. And that's the thing. No one face is the same. That's the social media clip that we're going that's not. That's crap. That's that. That's it. And therefore, why should our faces all look the same? Our vaginas aren't the same. Our tits aren't the same. I don't have equal sized boobs.

One of my boobs looks like different to the other. Like it's, it's just we've, we crave this kind of like perfection or this. How did we get onto this? Fuck nose. Why are we talking about nakedness? I don't know, but it is fun, isn't it? Well, I think we've come to the end of our time here, my friend, and I'm conscious we have provided absolutely no information or use, which is common for us. And instead, we've just done a bit of a nattery catch-up. But next week, we're heading into March. So I'm going to talk you through what to be doing in the garden. And we're going to be answering all of your questions because there are a hell of a lot of them inside and out.

But that leaves me to ask one vital question, Jojo. What is in and what's out? So my inn's a bit of a weird one, actually. Love it. It's pea milk. Pea milk. It's milk made from peas. What kind of peas?

I didn't check that, but they're peas. So you've obviously got like, peat milk, almond milk, hemp milk. So we've gone, we're now a sort of pea milk flat white, are we? Yeah, it tastes honestly really nice. It really does. Like it's quite, I did a retreat with my sister. It was like a bit of a self-healing,

let's go and lie and do yoga and think about. Dad. It was very lovely. And we did cold plunging and saunering. It was so nice to spend a day with her. Cold plunging can get in the fucking bin. Sorry. You feel quite strongly about that now. Have you done it before? It's not great for women. Yeah. Have you done it? Have you done it? Don't have any facts. No, don't like it. Don't like being cold. Don't like being wet. Do you know what? No, thank you. No, thank you. Paul. I want you to tell me what you really think. I respect everyone's decisions, but you're not getting more in cold water. I'm not getting the intepid water.

This week is cold plunging. Cold plunging and pee, peat, wellness, hashtag healthy. My end's mini eggs. Fuck. Sorry. Well, do you know what I like to do? I love to drink a pea milk latte

was scoffing mini eggs whilst in my cold plunge. Lovely. Actually, I saw the other day someone did, they got some mini eggs. and they put them in a bowl with some milk and microwaved it. Or maybe they microwave them in the eggs, then put the milk in. I don't know the order. I don't actually care.

I've not tried it yet, but I think it sounds declin. I'm going to try it. Anyway, very long story short, pee milk. I'm just trying, because palm oil does something to my stomach. It hits my stomach in the morning and it's like it. I don't know what happens. It's just not, not bad. Parm oil's not the one.

Parm oil's not the one. I mean, if we're really, genuinely. Parm oil is now one of the main ingredients in mini eggs. Don't get me started on it, livid. All right. Well, if we're going healthy, I'll go healthy too. Because my inn is mushroom gummies. Yeah, they're great. I mean, mushrooms in general are just great. Legal or illegal. They are fantastic. I'm slightly obsessed. I started taking them. I bought this. I succumbed to marketing, succumbed to it, and ordered these ones there. I don't know how to pronounce it. Ankway. I don't know. But it's got all the stuff. But they were basic, I've succumbed to the marketing because this woman was.

talking to camera and basically listing perimenopausal symptoms, I mean like, do you sleep really badly? Do you have the red mists of rage? Do you wake at three in the morning listing all of your failings? All of the things, all of the things that we've listed so many times before. And it was like, take these mushroom gummies, which have lions mane and I'm going to read them, cordyceps, Rishi, Shaga, Shagher, Shataki, White Button, you name it, black fungus. I don't know. It's really hard. You never know if these things are working, do you? Because usually you're doing a few different can I give you, but I'm taking to a day and I'm sleeping really well and I'm feeling really perky and focus. Okay, so I give a little bit of advice here on mushroom taking of any sort guys is that a lot of people take them like vitamins, like they take them every single day and take them and take them.

Your body, because it's a natural substance, it just becomes used to it and then it just won't have the effect it needs. So you need to almost take them for a certain period, then come off them for a week, allow your body to flush everything out. and then when you take them again, it will have that same impact. So don't just take it. That's interesting. It's on the packet here it says. The best benefits come from consistent use, JJ. This is from a proper mushroom guy.

You know your staff. So that's my inn. And what about your out? So I'm going to go out and I know I talk about this a lot. My out is people saying what's in and out in trends. Okay. So I'm talking like there's been a major shift, I think, with people just really. trying to step away from what is trendy because of not just sustainability, but it's just

a constant need to keep up with what someone is saying is in and cool. And like, again, you know, what we're talking about earlier, it's, it's what feels good for you, right? So I think it's, especially in interiors, we've got to be really careful to not feel like something that you put in your house last year is suddenly not cool and it's not trendy and therefore you start to not like it and think it needs to be replaced. That is simply not true. Okay, so by following these trends, it's forcing us to not enjoy the things

that actually we really do enjoy. So you've got to listen, listen to what you like. Don't listen to what other people like. If you love it, that's all that matters. We don't design our homes for anyone else. We design our homes for ourselves. And it's subjective. You know, life is subjective.

Art is subjective. Interior is subjective. So what you put in your home, you need to love. So just for me, out is trends. Everyone's talking about the next colour and green is out and this colour's in and this is out. Like a bog off with that one. Just everyone can just fuck off with the trends. It's honestly gets right up my... Well, we'll get into that actually, my love, because quite a lot of the questions that we'll cover next week are asking if things are in or out. So...

That's really... Which is, you know, thematic for us. So we'll get into that. I get that it's part of like, it's all part of the big consumerist, you know, world. we live in. It's that's what's going to keep us buying. So, but, you know, maybe we need to just stop. We can cover loads of them. I mean, God, we've got episodes to dive into this guy. So if anything, throw us questions, we will answer them on trends, non-trends.

What is not, what's going to be an evergreen trend. Okay. Paul, what is out for you? Mate. No. I'm almost speechless. Did you watch America's next top model growing up? Yes, of course I did.

God, I loved it. Oh my God. You didn't want to be on it. All 20 seasons. I don't want to be on it, but I loved it. But I've just watched the documentary, the kind of like behind the scenes, looking back, my God, that show did not age.

Well, it is riveting. Hold on, it's a documentary about the show. It's sort of a, well, it's a Netflix. It's basically interviews with lots of the people that were on it. And it cuts back to stuff they used to do. And in hindsight, it's fun. fucking wild. The photo shoots, they would make the girls do in terms of they made them, they changed

races in one. They had a photo shoot where they changed races. They used to cut all their hair off and they would be crying and stuff, wouldn't they? Do you remember how awful it was? And make them have like orthodontic, like teeth stuff, like make gaps bigger, make people fill the gaps in that stuff now, which you'd be like, what the hell were they doing? And what's really interesting is no one. comes off well on it.

Like, oh my God, it is such a good watch. It was savage. And the whole thing was super interesting is the whole thing. Everyone in it is just like, that's just the time we were living in. And you're like, it was. It was the 90s, wasn't it? Was it 90s, 90s? Yeah, it was, I watched it sort of like in my teens and at uni.

Oh my God, pal. I highly recommend. If you watched it, if you grew up with America Next Top Model and used to sort of watch it on your Sunday afternoon because it was always on reruns, wasn't it? As a documentary, it's like, oh my God, you rewatch it going, this is so messed up. I used to a bit of modelling when I was younger. And I can tell you, this doesn't surprise me. I can tell you some stories.

Really not good. Like, not good. Looking back now, you're like, how on earth did my modelling agency allow that to happen? How was I in that situation? Honestly, you wouldn't catch a breath. And it used to really tear from it. It wasn't good for my mental health growing up either. But I would say now having girls, I really don't.

I really don't know if I'd want my kids to get into modelling. Well, go and watch it. I will. I will. That's a really, really good recommendation. Only three episodes, mate. Thanks, Paul. Good record.

Okay. All right, my darling. That leaves us. Kind regards. She's just say goodbye. That's it then. That was so, honestly, my nerves have gone. That was so much fun.

We've missed you all so much. Honestly, I've been, that's why I think I was so much. It was slightly overwhelming how lovely messages were. That's why I felt so jittery about coming back. I know. Well, we don't know how long we're going to be back for, but. Hopefully it's a decent little stint, so you'll have us for a good few, good few weeks. We've missed you all. We love you very much. Keep the questions coming and we shall see you next week.

Bye-bye. Bye.