The Ins & Outs - Cosy snugs, Greenhouses and Separate beds

Episode Date: September 30, 2025

In this episode we are talking all things colour, from what to paint a snug to make it cosy, to the best colours for greenhouses and fences. We're also diving into separate bedrooms, Jojo's latest read, what Polly is sowing, Ice rollers, Marks and Spencer and being the sandwich generation. This week we are sponsored by Tinker & Tallulah - the makers of the most joyful, handcrafted lampshades. Designed and made in Nottinghamshire by husband-and-wife duo Rach and Liam, each lampshade blends Art Deco opulence with a modern twist - think jewel-toned velvets, playful fringe and timeless design that transforms any corner into a statement. T&T also work with interior designers on residential and hospitality projects, and their custom lampshades can be seen around the world in cocktail bars and restaurants. Explore the full collection at tinkerandtallulah.co.uk and use discount code PODCAST for 20% off your first order.InstagramPodcast - @the_insandouts_Jojo - @houseninedesignPolly - @pollyanna_wilkinsonWebsitesJojo - https://www.housenine.co.uk/Polly - https://www.pollyannawilkinson.com/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Pine on the summer's daisy I've been waiting for you Waiting for you Hello in these and outies And welcome to this week's episode Of the ins and outs With myself, Jojo Bar And myself, Polly Wilkinson

She's still getting used to that, I can tell On this week's episode We're going to be getting sweaty Because I'm talking about my very first tennis lesson We're talking saunas. Polly gives us her thoughts on her Pilates classes. So this week's hot topic, it's a bumper session on colour, one of my absolute favourite topics. I'm going to be talking about how to introduce colour into a new build, colour drenching, how to do it properly, colours to use for coising up as snug.

Polly talks about colours to paint greenhouses and fences, and she fights back at you guys about black fences. So that's a good one. And then I'm going to be cooling things right down by talking about ice rolling. So let's jump on in. This week we are being sponsored by. I'm really excited about this one. The most beautiful, fun, joyful lampshade company called Tinker and Tallulah. These things are beautiful.

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Hello, good looking. How you doing? Catch me up. We've not had a little natter for a week. What's been going down? I'm doing all right. I'm doing all right. It's been world wind busy, but I have got some, some fun news not to talk about work all the time. Delish. Tell me more. I have started, I had my first tennis lesson this week. Love this. First ever tennis lesson. Just you in a coach or were you in a group? No, me and a, me and a group. So it's a four balls. So you sort of will play with each other consecutively. And then you will move around the court. And she sort of gives you tips and advice. And then you play a little. And then you play a little.

game at the end. I was so nervous because when you're going in, so apparently they always have a four and you've got to always, there's always going to be people filling those spots. And so it's been, honestly, it's been ages to try and get in with this coach because she's really good and I wanted to, she's lovely and she coaches my little girl's eggs. And I really wanted to play with her. So I message her and she said, a space has become available on a Tuesday morning. And I was like, my God, well, what if they're really good and what if I'm really crap and I let the side down? Um, And they were all so nice, like just really, really, three really lovely women, sort of all varying ages. One lady even, I think she's probably about 60, but she was very good, had a great forehand.

And it was just really fun. It was just, it felt so, felt so good to go and do something for myself, like, that wasn't to do with kids or work. It felt really good and fun to be just with just different people and doing something for me for an hour in the morning before work. I love this. So this is a Tuesday morning commitment. Tuesday morning commitment. I'm in. And she sent me a message afterwards saying,

I'll drop you a message. And I thought, oh, I hope I got in it. I hope you like me. And they did. I got a message saying, we'd absolutely love you to join the four ball. You did great, well done. Great first lesson. And see you next week.

So I'm in. This is great. I know. I'm so excited. You play tennis pole. You're not into ball sports of that kind, are you? I'm not into sports of any kind, as you well know. No, I don't.

My folks play and my mum always has said, you will. Do I love football? My mum's like, as you get older, you'll get into it again. When you've got more time, you'll get into it again. I don't think I will. I find sports so bloody boring. Even confession time, you know, I'm doing Pilates and I've signed up for this eight-week course, the reformer. I know.

I want to hear about this. I've signed up for an eight-week course, and it's an hour a week on lunchtime. and the one thing I've said I will not in a studio with other people and you must know this right because I wanted to talk to you about this I my team work flexibly some of them work full time some of them work a certain number of days a week or whatever and I thought actually to avoid being burnt out I was going to take Wednesday afternoons off I was like from from one till five on a Wednesday I'm not going to work and that was like this huge luxury and I thought let's just try it you know loads of people work a four-day week let's try it that has completely

gone to shit and i because meetings come up and you're like yeah and you say yes i say yes because i'm just such a people pleaser that i can't go no sorry i don't work wednesday afternoons so i'm like yeah no problem i can hop on that call yeah no problem i can do that and it's um it makes me really angry but only with myself but this this pilates class do you also feel guilty about going and taking time off yourself in a work day. Wildly. I went to my nails done yesterday at four o'clock and I felt like I had to sort of almost like apologize to Lizzie to be like, I'm really so I've got to go get my nails done. They are horrific. I've got this meat. I'm doing some filming tomorrow and I almost had to like explain myself the fact that I was taking an hour off to go

and get my nails done. What is that? Why are we like that? I don't I didn't have all bosses like that. But I definitely feel like that. I sort of feel very apologetic when I had to take time off. Even with the kids, even if I've got to go and do something with the kids, I'm like, I'm so sorry. One of the kids is ill, and it means I've got to work for me. Yeah. It's, what's so weird is this, it's in, this Pilates class is in my lunch break. So I specifically have done it so that even if, you know, I did work the full day,

it's in my lunch break. And it's the one thing. I'm like, I'm not missing it. There are so many things that come up, demands on my time that are just, can you come to this? And I'm like, this one hour of the week, one hour is mine. And so I have been going. And are you enjoying it? come on i find it a bit boring i the instructor is amazing and i can see it would be a hugely

beneficial if i did it like three times a week but do i think doing it once a week is going to make a damn bit of difference probably there's a lot of techers there's a lot of techers involved with pilates and you're probably learning the techniques is it a reformer you're doing reformer yes reformers a lot of techniques for the machine and you've got to kind of get to a place where it becomes quite addictive i promise once you get into it and you can actually start to feel the benefits. I do think you'll start to, but it is, I have to say, I do think you need to do it a couple of times a week. But that's when you get potentially your own informer. Well, this is the thing. And just to be real about it, it's not cheap. And I can't afford to do it two or three times a week. Number one

from time, but number two, it would just be very expensive. It would be like more than it belonging to a gym. So that's when I'm like, I don't know how this works. That's why I actually calculated at the cost of, if you add up all the classes, you're better off actually just getting a machine and then doing an online class. If you do it a lot, I wouldn't say if you don't do a lot. But yeah, but it's so good. It's going to keep you really nimble, really stretchy. You're going to be able to touch your toes. No time, Paul. No time. Yeah, all of this. Very key. I just need to do it. Oh, my God, Paul's, Paul's posting Pilates. This is so exciting. I know you inspired me. Well, you step one in the fitness journey, but it's, I wanted to talk to you about that guilt thing, because I think I was

reflecting on how many hours I work a week. And I work from about 8 a.m. till about 7.30 p.m. every day of the week. And then I do a hell of a lot on the weekend, too. I think it's just funny. So it's stupid. I feel guilty about going to get your nails done for half an hour, isn't it? It is. It's on us. It's on us, gal. It's apologising not to anyone else but ourselves. But it's not a bad thing. I don't think it's probably a bad thing that you carry that, you know, that guilt. It shows that you can. Other fun thing that's come up. And I want to know if you have this. Do you ever wake at four in the morning, just suddenly wide awake,

and just have like a lovely long list of worries and reasons that you're an awful human being that just come up for a chat every morning around three or four? Well, even better last night, this is just, I, so Brad was out at an award ceremony, which he won. Yeah. What did he win an award for? His brand jacket won an award for the best, like, e-commerce brand. like very exciting. Love this. I was hoping he was like world's best husband or

yeah. Well he gets up all the time when he mows the lawn or puts up shelves. So last night he was out in the ward and I was like, oh my God, this means I get the bed to myself because he'll sneak in and sleep in the sparing. So I lock up the door, get the kids into bed at eight, did a bit of work off. Got myself into my bed, you know, did all my sort of, you know, nighttime routine. Right. I'm going to have a really great night's sleep. Super busy day today with you and filming and all sorts of things. So I was like, right, tuck myself into bed and then suddenly my phone starts vibrating. I got woken up, but I was in one of those blissful night's sleeps.

Woken up at 12.30, my phones vibrating on the bedside table. Thank God it was on because I'd left the keys in the door. So Brad couldn't put his key in the door. So you know, when you have to do that thing where you run down the house and then open the door by which time lights are on and then you're sort of at awake period. And I've already carrying quite a lot of anxiety about certain issues at work and stuff at the So that, like, literally sprung back to life. So it took me another probably half an hour for 12 minutes to get back to sleep.

And then fucking kids left a Tamagotchi in my room. I fucking kid you not. And it goes, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. Like it's had a shit or something or it needs feeding. And I'm like, what is it? And then the fucking thing doesn't have a light. You can't find it. You can't see it.

So there I am. I'm like searching for that. First of all, I was like, that's only going to happen once. It's not going to happen again, surely. I'm like, no, that's kind of crap on the hour.

Every hour. And the anxiety kicks in, start thinking about work, and then I finally get back to sleep. And then, do, do, and I was like,

right. So I had to turn the lights on, and I had to turn the house, the gut, the bedroom, upside down, by this damn thing. I was so cross,

I tell you. Yeah. It's obviously set on the wrong time. It's obviously sat on like, you know, nocturnal. Yeah, Because usually they'd get to sort of turn off overnight, don't they, for that reason?

Yeah. So cross this morning when I woke up. Oh, thank you. Oh, my time of gosh. Okay, so yours was circumstantial and mine was, well, and my entire team tells me they wake at three or four most mornings for some sort of anxiety fest. So that's a fun symptom. It's all of us.

But that's why I really like sleeping on my own. Like, if I get the opportunity to sleep in the bed on my own, it's so nice because there's no one breathing on my shoulder. The sound of, like, the sound of someone. and breathing can be really quite annoying, you know? Like chewing or snoring is awful. Particularly times of the month, ladies, that breathing, just that in the night. No, no, no, no, no. I'll take the sparing. It's fine.

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I swear it's the answer to a secret, like, to happy marriage. Is that a thing for you guys? So do you, how often are you, is that, do you sleep in the spare room too? Or is that, like, Brad's realm? No, I sleep in the spare room, too. We take it in turns. We've actually been bed fighting at the moment because Rocky's been in with us, like, every night. So we've kind of been trying to shift her out the bed before bed turns.

So there's been a lot of, like, bed hopping, various like people in various beds um yeah but i actually i did meet a really cool couple once at this event i was at and they just seemed like they were sort of well here we go early 50s really hot couple set like they had that sexy thing going on i was like how long have you guys been married they were like 20 years i was like wow you guys have great chemistry just seemed really they were like we didn't always when we had young kids so that's good um we worked through the young kids thing because you need to because it's obviously stressful times but they were like now we have separate beds we sleep in separate beds we come together for a little bonk you know beginning of the

night or get dressed you know going out like you know evening get dressed separately come together have a sexy night out separate beds might have a little you know a little bong and then they said it's the secret to a happy marriage is that right yeah yeah there you go so like i i i can see it i can see it yeah so there you go don't the royals do that isn't it quite like a royal society thing to do to, like, have separate chambers. I think the beckham's do it too, apparently. Is that right? Yeah, apparently.

Have you ever been asked to design, like, his and hers bedrooms? No. Oh. I haven't yet. No, I haven't yet. But then I guess it might happen later in life. Like, I guess maybe it would be an older couple thing, like slightly older. Maybe if you're rebuilding another house, like I'm doing a renovation.

But yet, no, not yet, but maybe from my. myself. Maybe this is the plan that I've been to renovate. Yeah. I've seen lots of his and her bathrooms as well. Oh yeah. I mean, we tend to do that, but one of us will gravitate towards my stone, my nice bathroom. Brad goes off to the other room. Anyway, what else has been going on your world, my love? What's, what's been keeping you up at night? Come on. What's been giving anxiety? Do you know what? Do you just find it just, I don't know if it's the time in life, but being a parent, well, single parent, and business owner and boss and friend. It's just the sort of long list of wanting to look after everyone and being like, am I being a good enough boss? Am I being

good enough parent? Am I being a good enough partner? Am I being a good enough friend? I find it quite a full on time in life of wanting to make sure that every, all the plates are spinning and that I'm doing well at all of them. It's really tough. I think it's tough. I think it's worth remembering that I think we all feel the same. So I think all your friends would also be feeling the same. I had book club this week. So I had all the girls around to the book club. We read a book. Well, it was called Sandwich by Catherine Newman. Oh, I've heard good things. Very, very, very good. We've got major thumbs up all round. Sandwich. And the reason it's very good. It's a very easy read, but it's literally about a woman in her sort of late 40s, early 50s, who called Rocky,

who is literally in this not only does she make a lot of sandwiches in Cape Cod on this family holiday but she is basically sandwiched between her children and her ageing parents and it's all about her sort of the menopause and it's just brilliant

and it's a really true reflection of how it feels to be a woman at our age and the emotions and the feelings we go through and that feeling of being sandwiched and the guilt and feeling like we're not doing enough by anyone. So it's really good. I would really recommend it

But, yeah, we are the sandwich generation. That is what we are. We literally are the sandwich generation. I'm looking forward to, not that I want to, I don't want to, like, push it on because I think we, you know, we can't want to just, like, make time go faster. If anything, I want to put the brakes on. But I am looking forward to that period of being sort of retired and being able to go and just potter in the garden and go on little holidays

and actually just, I don't know, be with friends and, oh, is that a thing? Maybe not. Maybe I'll look back to me like, God, I wish I was young again. Speaking of gardens, you've been up to something in the garden. It looks like you've been doing things. What I've been doing in the garden? I've been sewing some cut flower seeds for next year, although, fun fact, some bastard fox has disrupted.

I spent ages doing these amazing, like getting a fine telf on my beds and getting them really beautiful, did all my seeds, and it was this wonderful, mindful moment, and then came back the next day and literally a fox had just absolutely savaged them. Oh, no.

Fucking foxes. I know. We love wildlife, but I don't love it when they do that to my plants. Can you tell me this? Actually, I'm probably going to know the answer. This is probably a fairly obvious answer. We don't get foxes here. Foxes are not, like, no foxes. And it's probably because we haven't got bins and because it's more rural. Is that right? It seems to be the more rural you are, the less you have a problem with this. We're suburban, so we have so many urban foxes. They're lazy, aren't they? So they don't really actually go out and hunt. They're more just scavenge. So they want what's new ones as well. And I was going to, talk to you about this. They are shitting all over my driveway. Every morning, new fox shit. Oh, the smell is horrific. When I had dogs, they would roll and shit on dog walks and the stench

of dog, the fox shit is the worst smell and they always rub it around their necks. Like, it's just awful. Anyway, anyway, I was going on in my garden right now, my friends. I saw on the grandma that you had two little white, kind of pretty little white glass greenhouse. house things? My claviton closhes. Oh, they're lovely. They're really beautiful. Claverton closhes. And what do you grow in a claviton closh? Well, a clots is a way of keeping. I know, clever and closh. They're amazing. Amazing. And I'm just such a big fan of the company. But it's, I mean, they're from Victorian times. They're invented by the Victorians. But it's a way of, well, number one, they can protect young plants from slugs, but they also keep the soil warm. And so it's

a way of bringing on plants and protecting tender things. So I'm growing, well, I'm experimenting. I'm not done it before, but I'm going to grow some snap dragons and tyrannums outside. Often you'll grow them in a greenhouse over winter and then bring them out. But I'm just experimenting with doing them outside with a clash. It might work, it might not, but that's half the fun. I love that. But it's just they can handle winter, but they can't handle sort of prolonged frost or snow. So it's a little experiment. Basically, they like little mini greenhouses. So you have to still be in the sun. they still go in the sunny spot do they well it is this i wouldn't be able to grow these cutflowers anywhere but a sunny spot anyway so yes but yeah they are a mini greenhouse exactly that

yeah good okay all right then oh have you got something else to tell you very exciting we started looking at getting a sauna we're going to get sauna thinking of you in saunas as literally every single one of my clients now wants one and i was thinking i know jojo does have you um they they love the um i love it when i go to talk about dementia and the word doesn't come to me that I'm thinking of. And I'm like, yeah, I need a sauna because of this. Apparently it really helps towards sort of keeping dementia at bay by significantly reducing dementia by about 40.

Are you looking at an infrared or are you looking at? No, the infrareds aren't nearly as good that parents are huge. Obviously people hype about the infrared because they don't get sweaty. I think people quite like the fact that you can sit in a sauna and not get super sweaty, but apparently it doesn't do. And I, because I questioned Brad on this. He's the expert. He's the ice plunger, the sauna guy.

He's like, loves all this stuff. You've got to get sweaty. It's releasing the sweat and getting hot is what actually helps all that jazz. Got it. Anyway, he's desperate for sauna and I'd say I'd quite like it. So the shed is going to come down and a sauna will go in its place. But we're trying to find one that doesn't cost the absolute earth at the moment. So if anyone knows a great sauna company, please hit me up because we need a little two.

I know some. So I can hook you up. But what was really interesting, Colin was talking about this because he would love one. But we're on a budget. So he was thinking of making one himself because essentially all. All it is, is a really well-insulated box with a kettle. It's a kitten with a kettle. With a kettle.

I want that cool page with big stones in, you pour water, and it's like, shh, I want that. Yeah, well, that's a bit more high-tech. But I think you can build your own. So, you know, watch this space. Right. All right, my darling. Well, should we hop into some little questions? Listeners.

Oh, go on. Let's do it. Let's do it. So this week, we are talking colour. Color. Color. Colour. Colour.

Colour. I went to meet with my lovely friends at Coat recently and I did a talk on colour with them and the power of colour. What do you mean

the power of colour, my love? Do you mean like the power of love? It's the power of love. There's a song in there. Color is, well, it's so important

in how it makes us feel. You know, especially with paints. A paint color on a wall can have a direct correlation to how your mood is, how you feel. You're sitting in a dark grey room. It's going to make you feel a bit down and glum.

If you're sitting in a bright, sunny, yellow room, you're going to feel uplifted. And the power of colour really is, it's transformational and it's such an exciting topic. And I could talk about it until the cows come home. Okay, I have a question here, which is, Jojo, do you have any good, cozy, snug paint colour recommendations. For example, what about oxblood? And I'm just going to jump on this with this question, asker. Re-Oxblood slash burgundy, obviously super popular as a color right now, isn't it? And so my question paired with that. Oh, my nails. Matchy, matching. Well, that's what's that telling you is, so sort of paired with that question, the sandwich to that question is, do you need to

watch out for falling into a trap of going with a popular colour, are you more likely to fall off it? Go ahead. Okay, here I go. Here I go. This is what you've got to think about, the brilliance of paint. Paint is one of the most affordable things that you can change in a home. So if you have it for a couple of years and then you decide to change it, it is, I think, one place that you can trend. So yes, there will always be trends in colours, in paint colours. but I think have fun with paint colors. Lean into that trend. And obviously consider the room it's going in.

If you're going to be spending an awful lot of time in there, of course you're going to become used to a colour and then it's going to lose its interest. It's a bit like when you first start dating someone. You're in the honeymoon period. You're like, God, this is so sexy and I love it. And I'm like, God, every time you walk in there. After a while, it's going to start to wear a bit thin

because you've seen it a lot. And, you know, there might be other colours out there that you, you know, think, oh, maybe I'd like to try that. colour this year. But it's okay to change it. Just think about the things that you're putting in the room with it. So obviously, if you're going to go change all your furniture or design your entire room based around this Oxblood colour, then obviously the next time you change the paint colour, it's going to have to work with the furniture because we don't want to go swapping out all your furniture. But Oxblood is a, also it's the, oh God, I'm going to talk

about undertones again, but it's the tone of the Oxblood that you're going with. Is it a sort of heritage colour? Is it a sort of a colour that will stand the test of time that feels quite transitional and and and has longevity or is it sort of something a bit more bold and a bit more modern that might not have so much that's when it might get to you a little bit. I wouldn't go with sort of something with a bit of a purple undertone. I'd go more with a sort of lovely red undertone because I think it's going to last longer. Even with a hint of brown in it. If it's got brown in it, I think then you can you can do more. So would you go for the snug then you would Oxblot is a good choice?

Yeah, gorgeous colour. I'd just. I honestly love it. I've just put it in a cinema room at a client's house and it is delicious. Do you got any other colours that would work? I'm actually even thinking of doing Oxblood in my little kitchen in my garage.

Oh, hello? That's how much I love it. But it is definitely this type of oxblood that you go for, I think. The colour. If not Oxblood, for people that didn't necessarily want that in a snug, any other moody faves.

If you want to go super timeless, you know what I'm going to say. what am I going to say dark green yeah it's the colour of true relation oh thank God I got that right it's the colour of three relation green it's so green is such a fabulous

timeless colour get please do seriously sample in a room obviously if you're going to be colour drenching walls floor you know skirtings walls ceilings walls ceilings it is going to feel very all-encompassing

So when you first do it, and this is another, it's a little tip takeaway, when you very first paint a room in any colour before you put furniture and pictures on the walls, you are likely going to go, oh my God, what the hell have I done? It's really overpowering and I'm not sure I like it. As soon as you start to layer and you start to put your furniture back in and you put pictures on the walls and books on the shelves, it will suddenly just go, it will make sense. So just trust the process with colour.

That's a good tip. Yeah, because I imagine it can, when you, you go for like a really bold color there's a bit of a wobble when you're like this is this is the thing yeah just don't rush off and do paint colors without thinking what am i putting with it because it's that that's really important okay poll i've got one here for you um as we're talking about closures and things what color should i paint my greenhouse that's a great question we're doing we're agonizing over that for loads of projects at the moment because there are some really dreamy colors when it comes to greenhouses so as we well know my

is a bronze, like a bronzy deliciousness, which almost looks black, which works really well here because it's a bit more contemporary and I've got the studio is black. So I think when you're thinking about what colour you want your greenhouse to be, I do you think it pertains to the context of where it is. So if you're in the countryside, for example, I think a black greenhouse could look very severe. And so that's when we lean more towards the greens. So the sage green, Like the colour behind you, Jojo, is a gorgeous, like, sagey green for outside. Quite traditional, but looks stunning and definitely sort of fits in those sort of country settings like the Cotswolds and Somerset. Those green, greenhouses look so lovely.

But, and I don't, I very rarely specify the cream ones. I know that's quite traditional, isn't it? Like a really classic cream greenhouse. But for me, anything cream is more maintenance and it shows the dirt. So we just, everything in the garden we avoid. whites and creams. Okay. So, but, you know, what I'm loving right now is actually to come back to yours is either

like a really beautiful racing green, you're really traditional, dark racing green, which is super traditional colour in the garden anyway. But also very, very dark burgundy is also stunning, like that ox-bloody. Lovely. Did you depend on your floral displays? Like if you've got lots of, or does it not matter? Like, do you tend to see? That's a great question.

Like, would you say, if you went sort of like a bit like a room, if you were going to lean into a fun colour on a greenhouse, do you think you need lots of pops of colour around the garden as well to kind of help bring it in or not really? Yes and no. I think it's more about the context of your site. So if, for example, if you're one of the lucky ones and you've got a greenhouse against a wall or like a walled garden,

that's like a red brick wall or a yellow brick wall, then I would definitely be thinking, well, what colour is going to look good against these walls? If you're in the countryside, it's thinking, well, what's going to look like it belongs in this space rather than looking like a UFO has dropped like a bright pink greenhouse. I've never seen a bright pink, but maybe they exist, dropped in. If you're in a really urban setting and you've got this really urban space and you've got a very modern garden, then doing something sort of quite country like pale green is probably going to look a bit weird

and you'd be better to go for one of those sort of dark colours. So, as with everything in the garden, it's all about context. But then, I mean, you could have loads of fun with what you plant outside. side your greenhouse as a contrast, as you say, Jojo. So if you've got like a dark green greenhouse, for example, then having pops of, I don't know, well, whatever you like, but whites or oranges could look amazing. So you don't want it to clash. But I think you can have a lot of fun of it. It might not be so timeless, though. And it's probably a lot harder to paint, oh, here's a question for you. What do you paint a greenhouse in? What sort of paints

it have to be? Presumably it has to be pretty hard core. I mean, I'm presuming, and actually what she means by that is what color am I having my greenhouse delivered. Because usually a lot of these greenhouses, you get it and it's delivered. Because it's powder, usually powder-cated. Yes, usually they're powder-cated. You can buy timber greenhouses, likes of Gabriel Ash, for example, really lovely timber greenhouses. But then again, often those will come painted the colour you want.

So I presume it was a question about, like, what shall I order it in colour-wise? And you're probably going to want whatever the paint, If you are painting a timber greenhouse, you're going to want to go with something that's like super hard-waring paint, like a sort of egg shell, exterior egg shell. Yeah, I mean, if only there was a paint coming out for that sort of thing. Moving on. Okay, I have a question.

Oh, we've got a name on this one, Auburn Sarah. She asks how to make a new build feel more home. This is the first time I've had a new build after years in Victorians. Interesting. How to make it feel more homely? Well, so new builds are usually just quite boxy. So they tend to have not much architectural, not many architectural features. So the skirting boards might just be square, the archer trays might be square, the doors might just be.

There isn't a lot of like detail and character in the architectural details. that I have been known to take on projects that are new builds and we introduce those features in it depends how far you want to go with your budget if we are saying it's a new build and I don't want to go down the route of sort of putting in new architecture details you can add things like panelling retro fit panelling where you don't have to take skirting boards off you can actually just apply it onto the wall add a little dado it's going to have to be quite modern keep it quite contemporary

to match the rest of the woodwork and you suddenly put like a moulded picture rail paneling on walls, it's going to look a bit odd against square architectural details. So do try and stick to age and era when you're thinking mouldings. Otherwise, obviously lean into lots of colour. So variation in rooms can really add character. So instead of having one simple white running through the whole house, every room you step into that almost wants to be a common thread. So there should be a flow from the moment you walk in the door, you might want a nice light hallway, but then you might go to the living room. That might be a bit more, you know, sort of a bit warmer and you might introduce some sort of colour in there and then you go into another room but almost carry the thread of colour

through the new build but just create interest and character and you know change in each of those rooms that you're going into so I'd just say try and not keep it too samey don't don't yeah and antiques it's quite common just to end up painting all the walls white isn't it and I just that exacerbate the feeling is it actually bringing in colour which will make it feel more homey or is that not the case? No, I'd say definitely bringing any form of colour into a white box space is going to add character, it's going to add interest.

So we're trying to create interest in new builds where if it was all painted white, because it lacks even architectural detail, there's nothing really to look at. You're looking at probably what's in the room as opposed to the room itself. So to look at the room itself and actually highlight certain features,

that's when you can use colour as a brilliant option. And wallpaper, you know, wallpaper is a great thing. to do as well yeah love love a bit of wallpaper so that could be really fun to do you know i was thinking of you joe because um i hosted my first dinner party in in the house um this week and everyone was saying gosh you're this the extension which let's let's call it a new build because it was just a rectangle um they were saying god it feels like you're in the country it feels so cozy it feels so Cotswoldy and it was the panelling because we panelled the walls but we also panelled the ceiling

and it's the ceiling which I think was the game changer in terms of adding soul and character and it takes a huge amount of convincing on that one so because obviously it's an it's an additional expense paneling is not cheap and it's become a lot more expensive it's doubled in the last five years so it is expensive um but it adds such interest to what is otherwise just a big white flat ceiling um yeah so always look at your ceilings don't forget your ceilings they're the fifth wall oh i love that the fifth wall it made such a difference but i was so i was thinking of you as he said that i was just like and how was it did it go well it was it was so lovely the best thing i learned was um a local dogging spot down the road as a car park i always drive fast and

If you're talking about dogging and you know they're your people. Obviously, I didn't, that's not going to be useful information for me. Like I'm not going to visit, but I just thought, I've always wondered about that park. I've always thought it was a bit strange. So that, I loved that. That was a highlight. But the low light for me was nothing to do with the dinner party. It was the fact I cannot fucking table scape.

I don't know if it's, I don't have the right combination of accoutrement. Yeah. You know, like the stacking of plates, which I always think is a bit pointless because then you have to take the plates away when you're doing the food or whether it's like the right tablecloth or the right neck in it's for me it's a tablecloth it's a tablecloth i would just say it's the tablecloth um your charger whatever your charger is it could just be a mat it doesn't actually need to be a charger plate could just be a really beautiful mat and then it's your candles and i think the rest just falls makes makes it yeah i don't think i have the right combo i think i've got quite modern candles but i'm just not happy with my

what a first world problem I'm not happy with it and I really wanted it to be sort of botanical and lovely but there wasn't really space after all of the plate it's a whole thing we'll get to it

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located in Ontario. Gambling problem call 1866-5-301-2,600. Visit conox Ontario.orgia. I just want to be Martha Stewart. Yeah, you will be. You'll get there. Yeah. She's about twice right. Without the jail time. Yeah. Without the trial. Yes. Yeah. Maybe that's what makes her. Okay, my love. Here's a good one for you because I know you love this topic. Um, Fence painting, do I go black always, question mark. I'm glad that this has come up because there was some peak fath on the gram about this this week, Jojo. Someone said that they didn't listen to our podcast because I was obsessed with black fences and they felt that was out of touch with reality.

Also, just don't listen. It's just mean. Don't tell us about it. She was like, she's obsessed with black fences. And I was like, well, actually, if you listen, you'd know that the only reason I want you painting the black is so that you then cover them in plants and don't see them. I do not want people having a big black fences that you're staring back in your garden. It would be the most depressing thing ever. I don't really want you noticing your bloody fences.

So that's me defending myself. No, not always. That's you defencing yourself. Okay, there's me defamed. Thank you. You're welcome. you're welcome really one of the reasons we talk about painting fences dark is often including myself you've got some a real miss mash of fences because they might not all be yours

some of them might be a neighbours some of them you know you've got panels that have been replaced over time it's a luxury to replace your entire garden with with new fencing so painting them all one colour namely usually a dark one it's just a way of making them all look more similar so that they don't stand out so much because you know sometimes if there's an orange one and a brown one and green one it's chaos okay so question then what she's saying is do you always have to paint it black the answer is probably if you're not planting in front of it then no yeah is that right so if it's kind of if you're if you're hoping to have a really verdant lush garden where hopefully you're never even going to notice the fences painting them dark is a great way of making them

as sort of creating a great background by which you can then adorn, cover those fences in climbers. I do not want you noticing black fence. It's not like, oh, cute. Here's my black box. No. The point being, it will just make them go away, particularly if they're not in great nick and you can't afford to replace them, which is most of us. So that is one way you can do it. If you've got really beautiful, like cedar or stunning wood, you can leave it.

you can leave it bare or you can go with paler colors. It's just paler colors equals more maintenance and I spend my life trying to make your life easier, not harder. I've had a really nice brown seed of fence and they painted it black. And now they're hearing this, they're like, what? Did I not need a bit? Do you know what?

I have seen quite a few mistakes recently of people showing their gardens and they are like a black box with plants on the ground and you're like, no, that was not what we meant. That wasn't the intention. That wasn't the message. No. What about, what about, because I have seen them painted in almost like a lovely, especially in town, like in smaller urban gardens, like almost like a French grey colour, like a sort of slightly teely. Is that quite nice?

Yeah, there's coming back to sort of with the greenhouse thing, isn't it? It's the same. So that pale green looks stunning in small courtyards. We've used it in central London in like north facing ones where we know that the green is going to be visible. It is more work because Charles Society is going to. to be more visible and it potentially could look more dirty. But like putty colours and pale greens on fences in country spaces can be really beautiful. Yeah, and it could also feel like, it's a bit like, do you know what I always think of? It's a bit like when you go to, there's something really special about the Cotswolds. So if you go to Bath, a bit further on, the Bath Stone is sort of a grey. So in the winter when you go to Bath, it feels a bit more austere. Everything feels a bit more sort of dark and heavy.

The Cotswolds, rain or shine, because. of the colour of all the stone that they use. That's all golden orangey yellow. But warmth in that stone, so it's a sort of warm putty yellow stone everywhere. Even on a rainy day, it feels warm. And obviously, most the colour of the Cotswolds, it seems to be the sort of the faramble French grey colour that is just everywhere. Everyone's windows and doors and fendent. It feels light.

It feels so warm even in the winter, in like the greyest day. This is it. But when something's going to be visible? For example, Garden Gates, great example, we would very rarely paint them very, very dark, unless it was a stunning, like, heritage colour that you've been talking about, like those sort of burgundies or those really dark navy blue,

we would much more likely do it in those beautiful sage greens. And same with trellising. If you've got any ornate trellising, which will maybe just have some plants tendering through, but won't be covered, we definitely wouldn't paint them black. We would be painting them sage greens or putties or leaving them neutral.

So it's definitely not a case of, like, it's black or bust it's black is great when you want to hide something ugly yeah and pale colours are great when you want to highlight them so there you go that's pal good question all right then i think that's enough that's quite enough quite enough quite enough which leaves a question for me to you which is what is in and what is out this week polly so glad you've asked as always my in this week which is conflicting for me because you know I am an autumn but I'm absolutely loving that sort of very pure sky blue with brown oh yeah okay it's as an outfit you know like I'm talking Ralph Lauren denim shirt with a chocolate brown trouser or like a

suede brown jacket just the combo and Marks and Spencers do this banging pale blue jumper with like a goldy brown skirt oh it's delicious just Just pale blue and brown, delish. I'm here for it. That's my in. What's yours? Orange and brown, isn't it? It's like a questionable combo.

Definitely wouldn't put it in interiors, but. I was going to ask you about that. I feel probably too bold. Although I can imagine like a checkerboard of pale blue and brown looking really cool. Brown, you can bring in accents in like timber, like woods and things. Obviously, pale blues might look nice. Anyway, we digress back to colour. We do digress, but that's what's in for me.

Although for me, I don't think I can wear pale blue that near my face. Because the whole point of getting your colours done, if ever you guys are tempted, which so many of you have done, it's so cool to hear about it, is a lot of it is what you can get away with near your face that matters. You know, if you're an autumn, you can still wear different colours, just preferably not right under your neck. Can I just give a very quick shout? Because when I did this talk with coat paints the other day, there was a colour specialists there, two lovely ladies, they're called Etta, E-T-T-E. And they are literally colour specialists who come in and do computer. complete colours of consultations for you, if you'll say, especially commercial spaces, and they literally know the colours that go together. And they would put things like purple with light blue and, you know, just in the right accents of where you use it in big, in, in, you know, large spaces and some in small. But they're really fascinating and it was just a joy to listen to them. So I'm going to give them a little shout out, Etta.

Oh, riveting. Out, what's out? What's your in first? Okay. My in is my facial ice roll. which is honestly this thing look what the fuck is that looks kinky i'm showing you this thing guys on um if you're watching this one that does look a bit sexy pants okay facial ice roller in the freezer and then you roll it like up and down your face and it is honest like you know obviously us girls especially when you've had a glass of wine or two you get a bit puffy in the

morning look this big thing out the freezer and you can roll it over your face it is such a delight I can't tell you. And I'm actually going to share the one that I've got because it's amazing. But getting to ice rolling girls in the morning, it's so nice. I know a lot of people say

splash cold water over your face and stuff. It's basically that on crack is what it is. You're so good at doing things like this. Well, by the way, can I just say I'm usually doing it

whilst I'm like I'm rushing around the house like, you know, put the kids clothes. It's not like I stay. Roll in your icy face. You know, like giving myself 10 minutes

in the morning. That doesn't happen. But sometimes I do it on the way to work in the car whilst putting my mascara on with the other brush. Love that. Okay, what's out?

Out for me. I've been wanting to talk to you about this for ages. Melasma. Like, what happened? And I think it's from driving in the car too much, but half of my face, I've now got like brown. It's not like a freckle. It's more than that.

It's more than a sunspot as well. It's basically like almost like a very aggressive freckling on half of my face, which is really brown and you go in the sun and it gets darker and darker and darker. and I need to deal with this stuff because I've done the obargey, I've done creams, creams ain't cutting it, I need some sort of laser. The words of Dr. Watts's face from Austin Powers, bring out the laser. Bring out the laser. It's a leisure.

I need something. I don't know what it is. I hear something about something called a pico. I need to do some research. But like the big guns need to come out on this. I read this thing the other day that even apparently when you're driving, that obviously the sun's coming in the windscreen, your hands get absolutely tortured by the sun

when you're driving apparently you're supposed to put back to 50 on the backs of your hands I mean seriously I'll tell you what speaking of which this you want to like this one notice a bit of movement in my eyebrows

what's out for me right now is I'm actually not I'm just going to give up with Botox it might be for a while show me your eyebrows again so expressive I can actually I've got frown lines coming

but I'm giving up on the talks I'm giving up on the talks ladies. Talk me through it? I mean, obviously it might have, it might come around again. I just don't really feel like I, I think as you get older,

I don't think it suits you. I think it's fine when you're younger, but actually I think the older you get, expression is what makes people beautiful. It's kind of like you want to see your eyes move, you want to see the creases at the corner of your eyes. And I've decided I'm not going to do it. Look, I'm not going to say it's forever, but for now.

I know. Let's see how long this lasts. I feel like, are you going the way of Pamela Anderson, whose book I've just read absolutely, fascinating are you going to go like no makeup no nothing just raw dog it from now on i can't i can't really see that happening but i'm you know like i just the people all the people i look up to in respect pamela anton being one um i i hold i look at them like you know the hell and they're into this world and you know i i look at them and i think even jillian

and i like she's sexy and she doesn't have anything put in her face and i think that's she probably does like facials and stuff but i just i just think it's beautiful to age gracefully And if you don't want to do that, totally, like, I'm sure you are, like, it's totally fine, no judgment here at all. But just for me, I feel like it's, I'm just going to give my face a break. You're giving it a break and I'm going to laser mine, so together. So that was my, yeah, that was my out. Well, I look forward to seeing your forehead wrinkles, my friend. Yeah, I know.

My eyebrows will actually come up. I look forward to welcome them back, like an old friend. Yeah. But these eyebrows, I tell you, they have a mind of their own. They would take off my head if they could. They'll be up here. But these guys, this is wild. let's see you got that to look forward to you um okay all right my telling well it's been lovely seeing

you i've got to go get some work done farewell jojo and farewell clarence who's behaved impeccably throughout this entire episode he really has hasn't he he has taken to that piano stool which desperately needs to re upholstering please don't judge me on that fabric but i love you goodbye for me and clarence meow Footy fans, Premier League and Champions League are underway, and FanDuel has fresh ways to bet your favorite clubs, like the new Two-Up Money Line. Cash out your bet as a winner if your team goes up two goals at any time during the match.

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