The Ins & Outs - Dildo Medicating & Small Garden Planting

Episode Date: January 28, 2025

On this episode Polly explains how she used an oversized dildo to fix her back.Jojo goes through some great ways to avoid renovation regret.Polly teaches us how to prioritise what plants to put in a smaller garden and the ladies reveal their dream spit roasts!Best Heating January sale ends 31st. This week's episode is brought to you by Best Heating! Whether you're planning a renovation or searching for your perfect piece, Best Heating got you covered. Make sure you check them out at https://www.bestheating.com/ and us the code INSANDOUTS15 at checkout to get a MASSIVE 15% DISCOUNT.Best Heating discount Terms & Conditions•⁠ ⁠£500 minimum spend•⁠ ⁠Single use only•⁠ ⁠Valid until 28/02/2025•⁠ ⁠Works on sale items too! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello Innes and Outies and welcome to this week's episode of the Inns and Outs with myself Jojo Barr and our lovely Pollyanna Wilkinson. This week's episode is brought to you by Best Heating, whether you're planning your renovation or searching for your perfect piece, Best Heating has got you covered. So make sure you check them out at www.bestheating.com and use our code INSANOUTS15 at checkout to get a massive 15% discount off your radiators. So in this episode, we're going to learn a little of why Polly used an oversized dildo to fix her back this week, how to avoid renovation regret, Polly teaches us how to prioritise what plants to put in a small garden and we reveal our dream spit roasts. So let's

dive on in. Hello you old sort. Hello you old sort. How are you doing? I'm good my darling. How are you? I literally haven't caught up with you since last week. I've not heard a peep. Not a single phone call in the car. Jojo loves to phone me in the car. I know, I think I've actually been, I've actually been fielding your calls haven't I? It's basically not intentionally, I'm so sorry. Every time you ring I'm like I'll call back later and then later comes and I just can't and then you're like, are you ignoring me? No, I like it, it keeps me on my toes.

Polly sent me my garden design plans this week and I haven't even given her any feedback and it's literally like tumbleweed. She's like, do you like them? Do you not like them? Hello? It's really what you hope from all clients, isn't it? It's just crickets, silence. I'm so sorry. No feedback. Literally nothing. Not even a received. from all clients isn't it is just crickets silence no feedback not even

received no thanks so much I'll take a look at them later just nothing no sorry is that how your clients treat you JJ occasionally actually yes sometimes sometimes they do need a little nudge but they've been received pal and they're looking they're looking glorious I mean mean, let's be honest here I'm not expecting you to be the easiest client designers never are I can't imagine I would be no I imagine you have thoughts I've realized so unlike so Polly and I I think I think we're really different like this Don't you think is that I'm much more of a slow thinker?

I have to I have to do a full 360 with the thought so something comes to me I almost think of all the things that could potentially go wrong with it first and then it will come back around and then I'll go for it. Oh really? Oh yeah totally. You're that client. Whereas you're like let's go let's do it jump on it I'm on it I've done it I've finished it it's done I've written a book. I get it yes. I've released a course I've done it it's all done yeah what about you Jo book. I get it, yes. I've released a course, I've done it, it's all done. Yeah, what about you, Jojo? And I'm like, oh, I'm just over here thinking about it. Anyway, catch me up, what's been going on?

Sorry to be boring again, but it's just such loads of stuff for my parents' health. Because my mom, I don't know if you've heard, I told you my mom had her arm operated on on the 31st of December after being left in a sling basically for five and a half months, which is nice. 78 years old and was left in a sling with a broken arm for five months. So that was fantastic. So eventually got it operated on on the 31st December and it is not good. It's not good. It's not healing properly. And she went back in on

Monday and they said they've got to open it up again and re-operate on it. All the screws and the plate have come loose. No, seriously. And it's the same week that dad is starting chemotherapy. So that's good. So that's gonna be a fun week next week. Oh, what a shit show. What a shit show.

So my mom can't drive or anything at the moment. And my parents are so independent. They're so sociable. They've got much better social life than I do. And they're completely like, reliant on us. I mean, my sister and Lou and I are sort of here, there and everywhere driving back and forth, which at first they sort of hated and now they've got quite used to it. But it does rather mean that my life is now spent a lot of the time in the car driving

to and from the studio to the hospital, to my parents' house, to back home again, late nights. Oh, I'm sorry. That's very tough for the bar family. Bar family? Yeah, that's what we call it. Yeah, I didn't take a married name yet. I haven't taken a married name. Brad's name's right on. Brad's name's Brooke but I didn't take it. I took it the first time. I thought the second marriage I'll just keep my own.

No, you're lessing. I like my name. So tell us about your book crawl launch. My book crawl? Oh, I'm going here, there and everywhere. It's super exciting. I'm actually being interviewed by some amazing people. I've got one shit one at Henley. I've got Jojo Barr. Yeah, they really pulled her out of the gutter, didn't they? They obviously hadn't done it on anyone else.

Best of luck coming up with some questions,, I'm just gonna watch you squirm. Oh pal, I'll make you squirm right back, don't you worry. No actually, it's so amazing because I'm interviewing Paul at a Henry Literary Festival, which I've never been to and it's down the road from me, which I'm so excited about and which I've never been to and it's down the road from me which I'm so excited about and Because I've always wanted to go and this is a really good excuse to actually go and of course all my mates around here We're like, oh, you know gonna get tickets to the Henry festival. I was like, well actually I might just be there myself So they've all bought tickets to come. Do you know who's on before us?

We're off Jojo Moines Yeah, yeah Do you know who's on before us? Yes, Jojo Moines. Yeah. Yeah. She's amazing. She's amazing. I was like, I might just get there a bit early and go and do some swooping. Yeah, go say hi. Yeah, I know that's very cool.

So I've got that and then I'm going to Seven Oaks and I've got Jo Thompson in conversation there. Jo Thompson being, I would argue, one of the absolute best female garden designers ever. She is an icon. I love her. I've an icon, I love her. I've got her, I've got Alice Vincent in Dulwich. Oh, it's, yeah, it's just good friends everywhere,

so it's going to be an adventure. So very excited for that, that's the most exciting thing. And then, ooh, we had a big announcement this week. Oh, are you not, are you? No, no and I never will be. No, don't even joke about it. No. about it. No spread it No, we're doing we're designing the next Horatio's garden

Yeah, this is you probably this is you knocking it out the park at the moment. This is so such good fun I'm so so proud of you. Just continue to it's the biggest honor I had is if you don't know about Horatio's garden yet It's an incredible charity and they're creating a garden in each one of the 11 spinal centers in the UK and the previous designers that have done these are The best of the best so to be amongst that cohort is staggering frankly, so it's a big honor up to Middlesbrough Have you ever been to Middlesbrough? I have never been to Middlesbrough Well, you should go so I went there

I've got happy memories of cheerleading in Middlesbrough when I was in Middlesbrough, what is that to know about? What I really want to talk to you about Middlesbrough and there's much to say but the thing I'm most excited to share with you Is something called a palmo? Have you heard of a Parmo? No. So nor had I. But legend has it that it has to be on every menu or like served in every restaurant in Middlesbrough or basically you just won't get custom. And so we went to this restaurant on the first night and there was this thing and it was just said Parmos and it had a list of it said sort of chicken, pork, double meat and I was

like what is a Parmo? It's like a chicken breast which is then cooked in bechamel sauce and then I think sort of deep-fried like a schnitzel and then more like a cheesy bechamel sauce. I haven't had breakfast. This is making me very hungry I mean, I'm sorry if I've misrepresented that because this is like the dish of Middlesbrough and I must admit I wasn't brave enough to have it. Oh, that's disappointing Yeah, I know but it was early Jan. Yeah, I was trying to be healthy I was you know, I was trying to make good choices, but next time I go I'm gonna have one So I've lost track now. What were you doing in Middlesbrough? Where are we going? Oh, that's where we're designing the Horatio's garden

Okay, let's pull it back from Palos But I've also got I've got two pieces of news for you. I'm gonna start with the small one Actually, no, I'm gonna save one for the ends. My big drama Since I last spoke to you, is I trapped a nerve in my back. Oh shit. And I was in the middle of a cheese shop with Colin and something just happened. I turned my neck in a funny way and I was like, you need to take me home right now. So he like

walked me to the car like an old lady because like I genuinely was like a stiff as a board Got in the car and I was squeezing the seat as he drove because any movement was agony Got home. It's ripped all of my clothes off like my top half off because I just can't have clothes on me for some reason I was just sheer agony mooing like a cow. It was like birth again and Colin came up with a solution to make it feel better. Oh Hold on and I was I was like I have to is this one No, oh, well, yes, I know. Okay, um, Colin went do you know what would be really good? You need something on your back, which is like like a ferragun. I don't have a ferragun, you know, they did it Yeah

Do you remember that we were sponsored by Love Honey last year? I certainly do. I have a box full of unused toys in my bedroom. Sure sure. Do you remember one of their very kind gifts was an absolutely enormous- Dildo. What's it? A dildo? Because we kind of had it, because we were deciding at the time, it was like a, what do you want and what will I have?

And I recall at the time it was very new relationship for you. So you were like, well, I'll just take it all I didn't want can I just jump in here say this isn't a dildo. Have you seen the Sex and the City episode where Samantha? Babysits the baby. The only thing she could get the baby to stop crying was her Sharper Image body massager, which is this massive like size of your forearm body massager, as they called it, also known as enormous vibrator on a stick. So Colin was like, well, do you remember that massive vibrator that Love Honey gave you? You should put that on your back. I love that he, I also love that he remembered what that he's like, I know where it is. I'll go and get it. Pulled it out of his bedside drawer. Oh, here it is. I mean, it's a massive vibrator. No one needs

a vibrator that large because it's basically all handle. Right. Okay. Can you post a photo of this? I need to see what it looks like. Yeah, I looks like. Basically, I spent about four hours with a giant vibrator strapped to my back and actually that and a hot water bottle did the job. Wow, there you go. I mean, I shouldn't take it back clean, but there is nothing worse than when you do that to your back and you just feel that twang and then you're like, ah, and then it seizes. But any movement is just agony. And then you can't turn your neck at all, can you? You're like... No, nothing. I could not move. I had a hot water bottle on me for nearly 12 hours

and I woke up the next day and it was gone. But I don't like that these things are happening now. Yeah, it's a thing. Have you watched that... about that guy that's trying to age backwards? Yes. Oh my God, it's the creepiest thing I've ever seen. Slightly terrifying looking there. Oh God, has anyone started, it's the creepiest thing I've ever seen. Slightly terrifying looking there. Oh god, has anyone started watching this?

I can't, it's so weird. It's called Live Forever, isn't it? I literally sat like this the whole time watching it. I just find it so- It's about 150 pills a day. I find it so creepy. I find it so, why does he have blue fingernails? He's got blue painted fingernails and he lives in this- I think he just-

Completely reclusive life now forevermore. Brian Johnson, don't die, the man who wants to live forever and obviously he's a multimillionaire so he can give up his entire life to do this, but he went from being a normal standard everyday Joe, eating anything he wanted, drinking and deciding one day after a divorce and a bit of a midlife crisis that he was going to completely stop everything and put himself up to be essentially like a science experiment like a of how long can you live which is a bit obvious right let's be honest if you give up every single thing that's bad for you you're gonna live longer

it's not pretty obvious so if you wake up the same time every day wakes up at what five o'clock every morning He does it's four actually in the morning. It was something he sticks to at this regime There isn't he's not a minute outside of this regime. I mean, no one's gonna live like that Are they wakes up before swallows 53 pills? Has his green juice? It has a run. I don't know what he did, and then he does, and this is every single day, without fail, is exactly the same. He doesn't get any sunshine, or if he does, it's like he puts those infrared things all over his face and his body,

works with a physio. It's a really bizarre, but he's obviously, I mean I just think it's a bizarre concept. What's the point? And we're not going to be around to see if you make it or not are we? No, we'll be long gone. And he'll be a toddler by then, he'll be like Benjamin Button aging backwards. Any other news for me? How's the piano going? I've skipped a couple, sadly I've missed a couple of lessons because I've been driving back from Tooting Hospital, but Ziggy's doing really well. Do you want a real, this is really, really upsetting though. And anyone with small ones, please put your fingers on your ears immediately.

We'll send them out the room because I'm about to say something about, you know, the big guy, the big guy. Oh, oh no. So really easily, don't talk about it. Okay, go. Okay, here we go. So this piano behind me is, was given to Ziggy by Santa. Where actually, in fact, my parents bought it for her. But we had this whole thing on Christmas Day that this piano was delivered and we had it covered up. And on Christmas Day my dad and mum came down with Ziggy and unveiled this piano that my dad had been talking with Santa,

had this whole story that Santa and my dad had been in, you know, in communication about this piano being delivered. And she was so excited. She was just so little, she wouldn't, she was just so excited. Anyway, so it's just an absolute thrill. Such a special, such a special moment, especially with everything that's going on with my dad. Anyway, so piano, you're supposed to let sit. So when you have a piano delivered, you're meant to let it sit for about three weeks before you have it tuned because it needs to kind of all everything needs to settle

and right really lovely stories that as someone locally was my piano teacher said someone like he was trying to get rid of this piano they couldn't sell it because it's brown brown wood pianos are not very popular because apparently black pianos and dark dark wood pianos are much more popular so she couldn't get rid of it it's gonna cost a couple hundred quid stick about you to even get it taken away to have it been So she said do you will you have it if you can get it to your house? I was like, I'm not I'll ever I mean this sounds amazing

I'm so excited and it would get her to grade five and brilliant So had it delivered got it all covered up this whole like saga Christmas. So exciting. Here it is sitting Yeah, had the tuna in three three weeks later as we were told, and about five minutes later he's like, uh, Jojo, can you come here a sec? So I come in and I was like, yeah, everything all right. And he's like, I'm afraid to tell you, this piano's not going to last you six months. Yeah. Why? There's something called the rift board, which I think is the board at the back of the piano that has all the little cogs that go into it, the strings, they tighten and all those things are attached to the keys and basically that board, which was back in the day

made of just a big piece of wood, now it's all made of ply, has basically been sitting in a house with underfloor heating and it's all dried out and it won't hold there, it won't hold them properly. Oh no. So yeah. It can't be fixed. Can't be fixed, no. And that's it. So it's gonna, that's six months.

He said, I said, can I do anything? Can you recycle pianos or do anything with them? And he said, I'm afraid to tell you, you just need to take a hammer to it and put it on a skip. There's nothing you can do with it. Oh, what a shame. Yeah, or whatever you can do with wood

or wouldn't put it on a skip. Is that why people struggle to get rid of pianos? Because I often see them being like, why does no one want this? Like, take it. or whatever you can do with wood or, I don't know, wouldn't put it on a scale. Is that why people struggle to get rid of pianists? Because I often see them being like, why does no one want this? Like, take it. Yeah, isn't that sad? Oh, I'm sorry.

I know. So are you gonna try and swap it out? Unnoticed sort of thing. It's a weird one, is it? Well, maybe we'll have to do the whole next Christmas, oh look, oh look, Santa upgraded. One that actually, that might last longer than five years. Woo. So, but we'll see. And also, do you know what? It was, it's a nice story. Oh look, Santa upgraded one that actually that might last longer than five years, woo.

So, but we'll see. And also, do you know what? It was, it's a nice story. It gave us, you know, gave us, gave us a nice time at Christmas. So anyway. Nice memory. We have had some complaints actually. Oh, I know.

Oh, should I try it now? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Oh. Remembering a spontaneous concert, come on. Oh, what key would it start? Oh. Oh, see, can't do it. Maybe a little more practice

before we changed it to the theme tune? Might need a bit of practice. A little more. A little more finessing, I think, before we swap it out as the intro, I think. It's much easier on a keyboard. I blame that. Good effort. There you go, guys. Never blame it. We've waited a long time for that.

Yeah. Might want to cut that bit out, actually, Andy. Not a chance, Andy. You keep that in. That's piano gold. For anyone that didn't know, my dare at Christmas from Polly was to play on the piano green is the colour of true elation and I actually learned it quite well on the keyboard. I think I did it in, I think I did it when I came to see you that time but I didn't do it for Christmas because everything that was going on in my life so yeah apologies I'm actually gonna record it properly and I'm going to put it on the ins and outs Instagram for you to listen to again and again and again and who knows and you might use it as our intro it'll

be that good. Oh okay she talks good game We'll look forward to that. What was that? Shall we go on to some questions? Let's do some questions. Okay, I'm going to start with one from Charlotte, who says, is it normal to have renovation regret? Do you have any tips to avoid this or how to cope? Oh, this is quite good, isn't it? It's a juicy one. I would say it is normal to have renovation regret if you don't plan carefully in the

first instance. So I think the only reason you should have any regret is I'm a bit of a follower of my gut. So I feel like if something doesn't feel right at the beginning, then it's usually not. So when you're planning a renovation, I think the thing I usually find, dare I say, is that people that don't go for it with a thing that they really loved because perhaps they can't afford it at the time. And then afterwards they think, I wish I'd just gone for it because actually it would look so much better than what I've got. And then they're going to end up replacing it anyway.

gone for it because actually it would look so much better than what I've got and then they're going to end up replacing it anyway. That's tough though isn't it because there's certain things you've been really helpful with this before but trying to and actually one of the other questions is sort of like if you've got a budget where do you spend your money so I guess it's making sure the things which are more permanent are the things you spend on and the things that you could swap out later. Yes, absolutely. And we don't like swapping things out later, do we? Because I don't like waste. So I hate buying. It's one of my absolute bugbears is buying cheap and then having to sort of replace or rip it out and then it ends up in a... It really makes me feel very uncomfortable. So I'd always, where possible almost before you just left the room and didn't do it, close the door on it and waited. But I understand that's not always possible. But I think I would say regret comes in, that would be my probably the number one regret I can sort

of think usually happens. Or that you haven't planned properly in the first place and then you sort of just make rash decisions and then you don't really invest the time in the beginning when you're planning your renovation. And then of course it starts and you think, oh God, why didn't I not put the time into like really working out where these plug sockets should have gone or why did I not think about putting a light there or those little things because they can be really costly to then have to go and fix later. So just planning is so key planning. Just getting I mean, there's so many decisions

there aren't there. I mean, even even the best laid plans, there's still things that need to be made. I'm very used to the builders knocking on my window again, can you come and can you come and answer this? Can you come and answer? There's a lot of decisions, so even if you've got a good plan, I guess. Are there any real classics, like old chestnuts, that you're like, oh, that's a classic that everyone always regrets? Carpet, wood floors, that's quite a big one. A lot of people choose carpet over wood floors, and then they think, I wish I'd just gone wood floor.

I would always recommend that you put hardwood or limestone or stone on ground floor, and then from stairs upwards then you go carpet if you're going to do carpet. A lot of people love wood floor everywhere but the amount of times I have expert calls or consultations with clients and they say oh god I hate that carpet in my living room and I agree because it's so it's it's odd I think seeing carpet from wall to wall in a living room it somehow doesn't feel quite right. Now sometimes it has to be. There are certain rules in apartments, especially if you're living

in a conversion, in a sort of Victorian conversion in say London, and you live in a first floor apartment, you actually in a lot of cases are not allowed to put flooring, wood flooring down. So you might have to have carpet. But I would say that's probably quite a big one, is that if you can have wood floor in living rooms and Yeah, then definitely do that Did you have any? Renovation regrets Paul what I regret is I did not factor in a shower niche and that's that's first world problems Isn't it? But I'll need to put some sort of shower

Oh, like I will need to retrofit a shelf into my shower when I could have just had a little niche always got a niche shelf into my shower when I could have just had a little niche. Always got a niche. Kicking myself on that one. Because you can always fit a niche. There will always be space for a little niche. And it only needs to be literally 10 centimeters. It's enough just to put a few bottles lined up. So your main tip is plan. Plan. Yeah. Plan. Think about it first and follow your gut a bit. Follow your gut. If you absolutely love it, don't follow trends where possible. Like think about it. Think about is this really a trend right now? Like is this a everybody's doing it, therefore I really want it.

But is it timeless? That's a big one, because so often I've seen people following trends and then you go in and then everybody is doing it. And then you think, oh, I wish I hadn't done that, you know you go in and then everybody is doing it and then you think Oh, I wish I hadn't done that, you know And then it'll go out of fashion really quickly speaking of trends Another one that that you haven't designed Fireplace surrounds like is that what you would call it fireplace surround. So there's those amazing marble ones And obviously the one that's caught my eye is like a really big veiny... Sorry. I was waiting on that one. It gets worse because I was about to say it was red

and veiny. Are you thinking about the Viola, which is that purpley... Yes. Purple veins. Purple veins! Purple veins! Yes that is what I'm thinking, I want to blush it! The big purple veins on the marble. Yeah, fireplace surrounds which obviously the walls of my room are felt cute aren't they by coat which is beautiful sort of pale pink by coat.

So it would look amazing with a kind of purpley veined marble fireplace. But Colin was like, you're going to get sick of that. You're going to get sick of looking at that. And I think he might be right. I think my question there is, do you think you should go with sort of more timeless pieces? And that's not, they're not cheap. So here's the thing. I don't think it's the marble itself that is not timeless. I think it's the style of the fireplace that makes it not cheap. So here's the thing, I don't think it's the marble itself that is not timeless, I think it's the style of the fireplace that makes it not timeless. So if you were to go with a traditional style mantle then it's never going to feel, it will age beautifully and it's also what you're putting around it, what's going in the room, are you bringing it, do you remember we

spoke about, so Polly's got this, her scheme for this room is this beautiful, very subtle pink blush by Coat Paints called Felt Cute, which is cute, very cute, Felt Cute. You've colour washed the whole room with it. Yeah, colour drenched the whole room, sort of panelling all the way up and over. And then the curtains by Tory Murphey are this beautiful sort of burnt yellow ochre colour. Yeah, like an ochre. So good. Now on its own, it looks a bit bizarre, but as soon as you start layering, what you need

to add in there is if black wouldn't look right, it would look too harsh and therefore it's bringing in elements of timber, like dark, almost like a lovely warm walnuts, burr walnuts and a few antiquey bits is what's going to really like lift it. And therefore you can't, it is slightly, it's a slightly traditional design but we can bring in elements like mid-century, that would look beautiful in your room. But if you suddenly put in a really modern viola marble fireplace, it's going to jar and it's going to feel really, it's going to feel wrong. So it's the style of the fireplace actually it's not I don't believe it's the

not necessarily the material. No because actually I think you want something quite strong because you've got to cut so pink's quite an insipid color. I know it's not pink pink but it's insipid so when you're in there it might feel a bit and you have to cut through it. So the way to cut through it is by using sort of slightly rich or dark colors and using things like woods or textures that's going gonna really help break up that insipid feeling that you get with pink.

Same with yellow, it's the same thing. So you've got to cut through it to give that visual release, that sort of break. So, yeah. So actually, like I've got a sample sitting here on my desk, like that sort of lovely dark wood. Lovely, rich,-y wood. Colin is building the units for in there as we speak.

He is my hero. Okay, right. Gosh, that was such a long question for me, but we delved in and that was fun. So I'm going to come out to the garden because for all the outies who are fed up with this conversation, let's come outside. I've got one here from Millie for you, my love. Hi guys, love the podcast. I've listened to all episodes. Brilliant. Thank you. Question for Polly, please. I've been in business for three years, garden landscape design and garden

maintenance in New Zealand. When I start a design, it's great. I love it, but I can't turn off my brain thinking of plant combinations, material palettes, construction details are in my head when I go to bed, or I wake up during sleep and think about plant textures and forms I could use. Gosh, any tips please? Or does it get easier and less stressful with more experience? Thank you in advance. One thing I would argue is that this is some of the unseen work of working as a designer that the client is actually paying for, in terms of, Jojo, I don't know if you agree with me, but in terms of the design doesn't just happen on paper or on the computer, it's, I spend nearly every shower thinking about hard materials or plant plans or things, or

lots of driving or those times when you're doing errands. So actually, you're never really off as a designer, because exactly what you're saying is actually that's the gig, a lot of the creativity, the decision making the mulling is part of the work. And actually, the frustrating thing about working in design is sometimes is you can't show that it's not like you can time sheet that and be like, look, it wasn't just the time drawing was actually all of this thought process, all of this thinking about it. And it never really turns off, I guess you just get used to it. And it doesn't get to the point where you're sort of going to this thinking about it and it never really turns off. I guess you just get used to it. And it doesn't get to the point where you're sort of going

to sleep thinking about it. I think that's just about making sure that you wind down at the end of the night. And obviously when you're learning, your brain is firing on all cylinders, learning new things. So it sort of, I promise you it does ease. I totally agree with that. Jojo, when you started learning the piano,

did you go to sleep thinking about the piano? So it's the same thing, isn't it? When you're learning something new, your brain will often like tick away. I did have a really... Oh my god. By that visual, I did have a... I had a sex dream last night. Who is? What about? Oh my god, it was my ex-boyfriend. It was really weird. Do you ever wake up and think, oh my god, I can't believe I did that last night? But it was so graphic.

Do you have that? But I don't really remember my dreams. And I wake up this morning and I felt, honestly, I felt guilt. Were you a bit flustered? I don't know if I should tell Brad, this is, I cannot believe this just happened. So weird, really weird.

Was it good? I think it was quite good. I think it's okay in dreams, Belle. I don't think that's allowed. Why would that happen? I didn't even... Why would that happen? It was on a...

It was a boyfriend when I was 18. Okay, I'm going to do another garden one because I don't think that was very green. It wasn't green enough. Right, this one is from Sarah. How do you prioritise plants in a small garden when you want everything? So, it's about being really, really restrained. The smaller your garden, the fewer plants you want

because, as I always say, you wanna repeat those plants. So what we don't want is one of everything that you love because it looks nuts, it just doesn't make sense. I mean, you can have that if that's what makes you happy because I'm not here to tell you, you know, if that's what you love. But equally, your garden will look a lot better if you've got a repetition of a few plants so if you've got is it did she say small front garden or is it just small garden okay fine so I mean as I always say get to know your son because a small garden it might be a shady garden it might

be a sunny garden but really the best thing you could do is what I always say is make your list based on your season. So even if you can only fit I don't know 12 plants in that you're going to repeat for example. Just make sure that some of them are for spring, some of them are summer, you've got some autumn. So if it were me and I had a small garden and it had a good amount of Sun in it, I would 100% be making sure that there was some evergreen in there, something like a yew ball or a pitosporum, so that that's your green for winter ticked. I would also make sure that you've got some grasses in there,

probably a tall one, something that works really hard, doesn't take up too much space. There's something like Calamagrostis carlforster, that's gonna give you some height. It's interestingly round, and that's something that you can repeat around the garden. You could do a low grass as well, like a Hacanocloa if it's sort of semi-shade. And then I'd start thinking about your really long flowering plants that are going to give you loads of value. So things like hardy geraniums

or a cat mint or I mean, I love something like a salvia, but ultimately you need fewer plants and you're going to repeat them around and you have to be really disciplined. That's the boring thing. And I've heard your question is you want everything Jojo. It's a bit like, you know, interiors where people want all different styles, isn't it? It's, you've got to be really disciplined in this small space if you want it to look curated and designed.

Do you ever suggest to people in this instance, would you ever say start yourself a little mood board? And almost like drag, have a little spring, summer, autumn, winter mood boards so that you could drag the plants on so you can see what they look like together. Yes. together. Yes, you sort of see because then you can kind of see I've I'm really bad at visualizing plants. If I go to my garden center, and I'm exactly like Sarah said, I will go, Oh, love that, love that, love that, love that. I'm pretty sure Yeah, buy one of them. Yep. If you put them all together, which I've totally done before. And it's also the biggest waste of money ever, because I plant them wrong and then die and they're not in the right place. But they would look like a

complete car crash together. So would, yeah I suppose, I've never done that actually and I suddenly thought, my god why don't I do a little mood board of my garden plants because that probably would be. Well probably because I'll do that for you but it's, and actually fortunately there's a whole section in my book about curating your planting plants depending on the size of your garden and the sun and the light needs. But ultimately yes Jojo, if you're if you're less Wordy minded so you can do it in a spreadsheet if you want to check and Colors and seasons, but if you're actually more visually minded and you genuinely want to actually imagine exactly what it's like then yes, definitely go on to somewhere like crocus and

Get all of your images of the plants you had in mind put them in and you'll see but really Again with a small with a small garden, think of a color scheme as well. So I love green and white in small spaces because it's really calming, it's relaxing and it really suits courtyards. And if it's a shady or part shade space, then green and white is what you should be leaning into. And then instantly that gets rid of all the noise of all the other things which are going, buy me, buy me. And you're like, no, if it's not green or white or very pale pink, I'm not interested. So your colour scheme will keep you on track as well, much like it does in your house, right? Like if you've got a scheme and you're like, no, I'm not bringing in any orange,

orange doesn't suit this room, for example. That brings us to the end of this episode. It does. Other than to ask what's in, what's out? With it? No, it's not. Polly, ask what's in's what's out. Is it? No it's not. Polly, you can't leave me hanging on this. On what? I need to know. What?

Who your spit roast is. Oh, well obviously Tom Hardy. Who's the other half, come on. I mean, it does change. But I do have a special place in my heart for Alexander Skarsgard. Yes he's quite sexy. He's like a blonde rat.

Have you thought of yours? We've had some great replies by the way. I have. Thank you in his analysis for your absolute filth. Mine is Miles Teller in Top Gun. God, just so sexy. Oh, we're talking about the younger man. Okay. Yeah and Brandon Sclenner. Who's that? He's the guy from 1923. I obviously love a tash actually because they've both got

moustaches in those films. 1923? 1923. It ends with us with Blake Lively. He was in that. I love him. I actually love him at Marky Mark. That's probably my guilty pleasure. Oh, now or 30 years ago? Just now, just in general. I just love him as a person. I think he'd make a great husband. Did you love him in daddy's home too or whatever? Anything. I love him. Just love his sense of humour. I love a guy with a sense of humour. Do you think Brad would grow a moustache? He can't grow a moustache. He has that sort of, no, he would love more than life itself

to be able to grow facial hair, but he can't. Like a proper Tom Selleck mustache. He would love it. I mean, he's got great hair, but he can't grow a tash or a beard, much to his disappointment. Can you? I mean, I definitely can, yeah.

That's what he's, get this one, one on this side of the thing, just this one bastard hair that will not fuck off for Love Nominee and I don't know what to do. That's the start of a beautiful beard my friend. I do this thing where I'll be in a meeting and I can do, I just sit like this. So if you haven't seen me do that guys, you know what I'm doing. I just like down and then I start trying to get it out and of course you pull it out and then the next day there it is again. Okay so out, so out is ins and outs. Ins and ins is my goatee. I've got a great in for you. Well gladiators is back. Oh god you loved that last year didn't you?

I love it. Yeah it's back. But what I spent my evening thinking this time when I was watching it and I really want everyone to pay attention this week, the gentlemen were really tight onesies. Okay. And there's no lumps. It's all very kendal down there. So strapped in. And I have questions. Okay, we don't need, they might use that tape. It's not like you know a codpiece is going on. It's not like there's a protrusion. It's flat like a kendal and I want to know how. Everyone that's watching gladiators this weekend, you know, come up with your solutions. I've noticed that our outs and ins have completely like digressed away from anything useful like interiors or exteriors. Out for me would be shrinkflation. I went to go and buy my

one kilo bag of mini eggs and I know it's a one kilo bag and it was a one kilo bag but I swear there's less mini eggs in that bag. There are definitely there are definitely less. Alright on that note then don't forget to like subscribe. Yes. Thank you. I actually went and had a little look of our reviews the other day and this made me very happy. I might go and do that actually. I haven't done that in a while. Yeah, go and do it. We love your messages. Please keep them coming and your reviews. We love you all. Goodbye, Ines and Altaïs. Bye bye.