The Ins & Outs - Farewell for now

Episode Date: November 4, 2025

In the last episode of the season we dive into garden outbuildings, bedroom rugs, pruning roses and colour drenching, as well as advice on ending a relationship in your 30's and our 'go to' brands for tall girls. This week's episode is brought to you by Best Heating. Complete your lovely radiator look for half the price! Choose any Best Heating radiator (excluding electric models) and get a delightful 50% off your favourite valves. Just use code INSVALVES at the checkout to get the perfect finishing touch for your new heating beauty.Make sure you check them out at https://www.bestheating.com/.InstagramPodcast - @the_insandouts_Jojo - @houseninedesignPolly - @pollyanna_wilkinsonWebsitesJojo - https://www.housenine.co.uk/Polly - https://www.pollyannawilkinson.com/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Green, the color of true elation, pine on a summer's day, see I've been waiting for you, waiting for you. Welcome to this episode of The Insonouts with myself, Pollyanna Wilkinson, and myself, Jojo Barth. In this week's episode, we are talking about Jojo's new Halloween decorations. We're talking broody chickens, half-term madness, color drenching, outbuildings in the garden, pruning roses and a little bit on rugs. So let's dive right in. This week's episode is sponsored again by our very good friends at Best Heating, the purveyors of the most wonderful radiators. I currently have my foot actually resting on one here in my living room, which is the Black Milano Anthrocyte Milano Windsor with some beautiful

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Yeah, right in the thick of half term, just like you, I'm sure. Just trying to survive it, I think. I've got a seven-year-old tween on my hands who's giving me the sort of sass. You know, that's sort of, you know, the sass. I get the real, the chat back. I never realised that started so early. So that's fun. And they just squabble.

Do you all squabble? They just squabble. It's constantly squabbling. Yeah, there is squabbling. It's quite violent, though. I would say the squabbling is less kind of verbal and more thumpage. Right, yeah, that's boys, isn't it? Sometimes it's good just, good wallop is probably better.

than this sort of tactical bitching and, you know, catty, catty behaviour. It's what girls are like. It's flash in the pan, quick and dirty, and then we're through the other side, no grudges, and we move on, which I actually quite like, I'm not sure I'm cut out for being a girl mom in that regard. The kind of, the sort of psychological warfare, I think, would really dick me off. Yes. It is psychological warfare. That's exactly what it is.

And it's also this like, mommy, she did this to me. And so I read this, watched, read, saw this thing on Instagram, which, because we believe everything we see on Instagram, which was basically that if your kids keep coming to you and saying, Mommy, you know, Ziggy did this to me, she hurt me, whatever it was. Well, I wasn't, you have to say, well, darling, I wasn't there. So I didn't see this happen. So I can't help you there. You have to work it out amongst yourselves. And they look at you like. How's that one working?

It kind of works They look at you like Oh shit Oh shit Mom's not going to sort this one out Oh we might as well just play then Kind of does work I'll be honest

Okay Is it sort of like I'm not your referee I like that Not your referee By the way Can you see what's behind me In the background What the hell is that

It looks like a thin white ghost Holding a basketball She's actually holding Her husband's head In her hands It is part of the Um, yes, part of the... Oh no, now it looks like a man is kneeling in front of a woman.

Now it's looking a bit more sexual. Is it just a head? It's called Bride and Grim. And what happens when you turn it on is that she basically rips his head off and says, You will not leave me again. It's very good. It's very entertaining. What did you find that?

Well, there's a really cool place, not far from what's called The Range. Have you ever heard of the range? Have you rented this or do you own this now? Is house mine taking a new direction in decor? That's nothing compared to the one that's in the other corner of the lit room, which is three clowns standing on top of each other, which is really deeply terrifying. You really go for it with Halloween.

If you're listening to this, you might have to go on to YouTube to actually see what I'm about to show you, but this one is particularly terrifying. The funny thing is that kids don't really know about ego. Christ. That's awful. They're like three-minute shaked. clowns that look like it with purple hair.

I could just put it through and just pretend it's me. Hello, Polly. Anyway. I mean, they're about the size of it, aren't they? Because it's like a small clown, isn't it? Yes. I don't like it. I don't like it one bit.

What I've realised about Halloween is that kids don't really know what scary is yet. So they've never watched horror films like we have. So suddenly we associate clowns with it, which is terrifying. They haven't really seen things. So you're going to be... So every year it's kind of become a bit of an annual tradition. Yeah. Our village is amazing for trick-or-treating.

And so we have become the sort of initial pre-trick-or-treat party house. So we have a party for all the kids. They gather for an hour, like absolutely sort of, you know, scream the house down, run around the garden in all their little outfits, in like little ghouls. And then we go off trick-or-treating. So it's due to rain, obviously, which is fantastic. So it's actually due to be raining tomorrow night whilst this is meant to be going on. So what I'm going to do, the garage currently looks like a haunted house because it's got no windows.

And it's all sort of taped up. So the contractors are going to clear the ground floor and I'm going to make it look like a haunted house. Make it safe. Make it safe. Don't put little hard hats on all the kids. Just leave the power tools lying around. It would be fine. Really add to the horror.

So that sounds like a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun. And then tonight, just to sort of throw some extra work in the mix, I've got some friends coming over, and I'm doing a Spanish night. So I'm doing Padron Peppers. I feel a bit stressed by you. I mean, that sounds fabulous, but two hostings on the hoof, on the trot. I did it the weekend as well.

I don't know what's going on. But yeah, here was me saying I'm going to start saying no to things. I'm actually, I'm excited about tonight because I've done a Spanish night before, and it went really well. I did the padron peppers, potatoes bravas, the prawn pipipil, pill, pill, pill. Yeah. Yeah. And so if you know, and then paella, with the shrimps things. It's actually quite, it's quite easy. You can't really mess up Spanish food. So that's me. And what's going on in your world, my love? I have a broody chicken. Oh, is that what you call it? Yeah. I didn't know this was a thing. until we went away for the weekend to Cornwall to see some pals.

And I got a message from my lovely neighbour saying, your chicken hasn't moved out of its coop in three days. I was like, right, did not know that. Came back. She's still in them. Are they chicken sitting? Yeah, they've got kids of similar age trials and they love them, so they come and hang out with them.

And so Beatrix, as in Beatrix Potter chicken, has been sat on a clutch of eggs for three to four days. And when they go broody, I didn't know this. so when they go booty it means they just really want to hatch the eggs and now we don't have a cockerel so they've not been fertilised so it will never happen so that poor chicken will sick on those eggs indefinitely thinking just one more day just one more day do you remember that like when you're like go overdue yeah and she thinks it'll be today things it's going to happen and will not move to the point

that they won't really eat or drink um so it can really they can get very poorly from it So Colin has had to lift up Beatrix and put her into a little prison And I've had to steal all her eggs And I'll have to keep doing that for the next week Oh God, that feels like quite cool You have to essentially break her So that you take the eggs away So she realises she has to give up hope

Oh my God, that's so sad Feels mean, doesn't it? It feels really mean. It's for her own good so that she doesn't make herself sick Trying to hatch eggs So that's, I mean, that's been some excitement at home you know it's just one thing after another

of excitement here other than that I mean riveting that's riveting catch-ups sometimes I don't have anything to say because I've just been working when did we become so working every day and sometimes I'll come to the pod being like

what have I got to say and I'm like all I have done is sat at a computer for 12 hours a day for a week I got nothing to tell Yeah. Or in the car. I mean, look at my chat. It was very, very, very dry. But you know what? That makes for entertaining, you know, entertainment sometimes. It does. But do you know what, mate, we've, I know we're going to do some questions, but we've had three, which are not indoor, outdoor questions, which I thought we could hop into for a bit of fun and then we'll get into them, which I think we'll set the tone because they're quite fun questions. Also, we can't always have fun stuff to talk about. I mean, we rarely do. Very rarely do. really it's just that we're just living the dream over here we're just we're just keeping it real so here's my questions for you number one which i think it's very apt yes from magpie stories how in earth do you guys juggle half term do you have help at home god i wish i had help at home

i have no help at home no we just make we just make it work the jug we just no that's what juggling is i don't think you can juggle if you've got surely if you've got housekeepers and nannies you don't there's no such thing as juggling is there just throwing one ball up in the I just occasionally just catching it like with a glass of wine in the other hand. That's my form of juggling. No, neither of us. Neither of us have neither housekeepers nor nannies nor opers nor anything. No, just a very brilliant husband, I would say, who's, I'd be totally at loss without.

I don't have one of those. A boyfriend. I've got a lovely boyfriend, but he's, you know, he doesn't have to look after my kids. No, he doesn't need to help. But it's, then again, you don't have your kids over. day at least so you can knuckle down with work which is a it's all or nothing for me it's either me doing it on my own or it's not so yeah yeah probably evens out to being the equivalent of being married and sharing it 50 50 but yeah neither of us do so how do we manage

half term you just kind of well this is the I haven't put the kids in camp this week and I I have said I have definitely taken a step back from work a bit and let the team take on stuff which has been actually really nice. I think they quite like it when I do. So I think they're like, let us get on with it. Let us show you what we can do. God sake. Get out the way.

Leave us alone. Stop hanging around us like a helicopter parent, like a helicopter boss. I have, I've like to let them. We've got a big install down in sandbanks this week. And I've got major fomo because I'm usually there for all our installs. And I'm not there for that one. So I'm getting all the photos.

You've got a control freak freaking out. I'm just like, oh my God. I know. Instead I've been installed. stalling my house with shitty Halloween memorabilia, which I don't know where I'm going to store it. And where the hell am I going to store two six foot skeletons, by the way? Oh, is it a skeleton?

I can't see it from. Where the fuck are you going to put them? Where the fuck I'm going to. Right. So that was question one. We'll film it and I'll put it on the stories of what actually happens. Otherwise it will never make any sense. When she rips his head off.

That's what happens. Would you? I'd love that. Okay, number two. And this one's a bit more deep and meaningful. This is from VBTW. I don't know who that is. Not garden or interiors related, but do you have any advice for breaking up

with a long-term partner in your 30s? I mean, I did it. Well, you've come to the right gals. Pull up a chair. Grab yourself a glass of wine. Because we're going to be here for a long time. This is going to be a long podcast. You're strapping.

I mean, oh, bless you. Advice for breaking up with long-term partners. So I presume that means you want to break up. break up with them. Should we intuit that? Yeah. I'm going to say, no, Paul, you can go. If you want to go first, you go first. No, no, you've clearly got something up your sleeve. Let's hear it. Well, I was, when I, when I divorced my ex, I was 34 and didn't think I could have kids. So I was really in like a, oh, God, you know. And then you realize, now I'm 43, I look back and I'm like, well, for a start, mid-30s is young, okay? So first of, 30s is young.

Please don't let anyone else tell you that that is not young. And everyone freaks out when they hit 30. Trust me, that is young. So I didn't meet Brad until I was 35. And I genuinely think I met him at the right time in the right place because I was the happiest that I had ever been in myself. And that's when I met the right person. I think you've got to, my best advice is try not to the old, you know, jump under someone.

what is it, how to get over someone is to get under someone. Yeah. Get under. Although I think there's merit in that. I think get under some people. That got me through my 20s. Definitely get under some people for some fun.

But don't necessarily have to like get under someone to, you know, to get meet someone new. So I'd say go out and, you know, just, you know, go and find yourself. Do some inner soul searching. And then you'll meet someone again when you're least, when you least expect it. And it will be right as opposed to try and force. it when you're actually just not that happy in yourself and you're trying to get over a breakup. I mean, I think if there's one thing I've learned from divorce, I mean, you haven't said if you have kids or not, you're in your 30s, you might, you might not. If you do, I understand how much more

of a heavy burden that is because it's not just you, you're impacting and I get it and that is agonisingly hard. And on the one hand, you'll have people going, your kids won't want you to be unhappy. Your kids don't want you to be unhappy. So you must do what's right for you. But on the other hand, you've got people going, well, you stay together for the kids. So, you know, which one is it? I don't know. What is the greater evil? Is it staying, staying in a relationship where you're unhappy and modelling to your kids an unhappy relationship? Or is it breaking up and them having to go through that? Well, you know which one I chose. So can't help you with that other than being, I personally believe life is short and we only get one of them. Yeah. And I, do you not also think,

look back and think how many times have you changed and evolved throughout your years? Even at 43, I think, God, I've been through a lot of lifetimes in my life. So you're at the prime. I think your 30s is like your prime. You're at your prime, honestly. And then it only gets better. Like, I mean, I'm loving my 40s because I know myself better than I either did and I feel, but I settled I've ever felt.

So just don't, I don't panic. Honestly, girls, don't panic. No, you've got all the time in the world. world. I mean, you know, I hope. Don't for God's sake, stay with someone. Like Paul said, don't for God's sake, stay with someone because, you know, you think you should stay with them because it's like, you know, time is of the essence or you want kids or no, no, get out, get out. If it's not feeling right. If there's one thing that kids will do is weaken the relationship, not strengthen it. So I say, you're not happy. If you're not happy, if you're messaging us,

asking for advice to break up with them, then I would say, you know, do it be true to you yeah be true to you yeah um get out of there it will be short term shit long term excellent yeah it gets real good and next is to take it to something a bit lighter jojo our next one laura is asking where do you buy clothes for tall girls because we are both tall girls we are tall girls it's your favorite place to get a good good long pair of trousers mate well for jeans oh gosh me and m is one of my favorites ever for all trousers they're amazing for the tall girls. Me and Em is just, it's just banging. That's sort of more, you know, the good stuff. I'd say, I don't tend to wear long trousers, to be honest. So I'm,

I'm more of like a cropped trouser kind of gal. But if I don't go to somewhere like me and M, I would go to, I'd get all my jeans from pretty much Levi's. You like a Levi gene, don't you? I love a Levi of all mankind. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's about, what about you? So, well, this one's a bit of a niche one, but one that I've come back to, Abercrombie and Fit, Oh, someone said this to me the other day. So good. I've got, they do really great trousers, but they come in like a ridiculous number of leg lengths.

So if you want either like black or cream sort of quite wide leg trousers, Abercrombie are amazing. And obviously me and M is amazing for, pricey, I know, but for tall girl trousers, they're amazing. Levi's obviously also come in longer lengths. But also, good old top shop. Top shop is back in a big way on ASO. and they do a 34 and a 36 leg.

God, that's great, Teapage. Well done, Paul. Yes, I literally bumped in someone on the street the other end. I was like, where are your trousers from? She was like, my height and they were like trailing on the floor. I was like, where are they from? She was like at a crombie and fetch. Yeah.

Yeah, I know. It's taking you straight back to your youth. Do you remember when you used to have the one with the deer on with the like hoodie, zip up? As a, as a tall girl, I definitely find the older I'm getting. the less interested in heels I am. Like I love a little block heel, but heels, I've got so many like heel heels, like Stiletto heels sitting up in my wardrobe

that I'm more keeping because one of my kids might not be as tall as me and they'll have, yeah, they just love dressing up in them. But I can't bring myself and sort of get rid of them. But yeah, I just wouldn't, I can't imagine ever wearing a heel like that ever again. I enjoy kitten heel. I enjoy a boot with a small heel, but Stilettos could get in the bin. Yeah, bin. their agony i mean if you're like dimming if you're like little sabrina carpeter size then and you can

crack on a massive pair of heels frankly i'm jealous but um yeah no i don't like feeling like a big woman either sometimes when i wear heels i feel like a very large woman me too and i don't that's not always a nice feeling sometimes i like sometimes i'm getting getting ready on my own i i almost forget how tall i am and then i'll go into london i'll get on like on the tube wearing a pair of heel boots and it's honestly like comedic when I was sort of standing there on my head's like like you know the shape of the tube is almost like wrapping around my head like I'm like oh hey you have you go down there yeah yeah so yeah good stuff okay well those were our three little like nothing to do with anything fun questions to answer um but now let's get into the house

in the garden okay paul i'm gonna start with this one could you please talk a bit about mulching particularly interested for clay rich soil mulching yes people are freaking out that now's the time to mulch. So the best time of year that they say to mulch is spring, but arguably it's actually just whenever you remember to do it, like so many things in life. So mulching, that's going to be an organic matter. So that might be a leaf mold. It might be a compost. It might be a well-rotted manure. There's a really great company called Dalefoot that you should look at. They do really great compost, particularly they do one, I forget the name of it. I feel like saying it's Yorkshire gold, but I'll look it up, which is specifically

brilliant for clay soil. So have a look at Dale Foot Composts. That's D-A-L-E-F-O-O-T. Mulching. You want to mulch about to five, six centimetres, so what's about the length of your finger. And ideally, you do it in spring. And the reason is most of your plants will have died back and it will have gone into the ground and therefore you can mulch really easily. Whereas if you think about trying to mulch when everything is actually in leaf, you're going to have to be tucking little handfuls around all your plants because what you don't want to do is cover growing plants with mulch, like leaves that will like burn the leaf. So so much easier to do when it's kind of a bare, bear, bear situation. Don't worry about covering perennials that have died

back over with mulch. That's fine. They'll come through. The only thing you need to be careful of is things like iris, which obviously has like a rhizome that looks a bit like a piece of ginger and that sits on top of the soil. So you wouldn't want to cover that in mulch because that needs to sit on top of the soil in order to be exposed to sun. But really, it's a job. I do it in winter. or spring when everything's died back so much easier. So frankly, not a job for now. Good one. Thanks, Paul. I love the word mulch, isn't it? It's such a like, such a mouthful of mulch. Isn't it? It's a lovely word. Is it an onomatopoeia when it sounds like what it is? Like sizzling sausages. Is that one? Oh, stop it. Sizzling. Right. I have a question from

Dina K. P. I am trying to fit my dining table between an island and patio doors. How much space is needed. Oh, I love it. It's so niche. It's a niche question. It's a niche question, but actually you could apply this same rule, not necessarily if you're just, you know, if you've got patio doors behind you, but even if you are against a kitchen island on bar stills or against a wall, you need, from the edge of your dining table, comfortably about 90 centimetres. And the reason for that is because if you are, your dining chair is going to be tucked in, so you're going to obviously have lots of lovely space behind your

dining table, behind your dining chairs. But as soon as you leave your chair out or somebody sitting at the table, you want to leave enough space that somebody can come to be, walk around the table when the chairs are out. Got it. Otherwise, it's going to look a bit squished in the room. If you are really tight on space, just don't go with a dining table that's over 90 centimetres wide, I would say. Or indeed, don't go with chairs with arms that can't fit under the table. And also another really great space saver. This doesn't apply for this question. If you're really tight on space in a dining area, have a banquet bench up against a wall, a bit like you've got pole and then you've got your dining table. So you're, you're going to win back about 50

centimetres of space if you push a blanket up against a table. The downside being the shuffle to get in and out of it. Shuffle, the shuffle, yes. We spend our lives doing this in gardens outside as well, because we'll often, I mean, we sort of got our golden ratios now, but thinking like you need your table, you need your space to sit, your space to put your chair back and your space to move round it without walking into a flower bed or falling off her. terrace. So yeah, it's actually really worth choosing your furniture and then sort of counting backwards from there, isn't it? All right, my love, hopping back outside. Love the pod. This is from Michaela Pereira. Please, could you talk about garden rooms? Yeah, okay, fine. So, which need so many gardens

have some sort of office, studio building in them now. Something so nice, isn't there, about escaping outside of the house to go and either work at work or work out or whatever it is. It's so nice to be able to get out of the house into a new space. Yeah, the main things we see them for, and they really do add value. We've spoken to a lot of estate agents about it because obviously clients ask us, is it worth doing, you know, will we make our money back? And the answer is usually yes. They're amazing for teenage dens.

So I'm not quite there yet, but my clients that are say that, you know, the kids that are sort of 14 plus, it's really nice for them to have a space that's slagely. slightly separate from the house where I don't know they can snog out of out of bounds I don't know um so they're great for teenage hangouts um they are brilliant for gyms but also for working from home so thank you COVID for that one so those are the three main reasons we would have them I think it's really important so a lot of people are like oh we want to have a loo in it we want to have a shower in it just watch out as soon as you do that as soon as you want that level of plumbing you will need planning because essentially you're needing to prove that you're not trying to build like a miniature house

in the back of your garden so it's not a simple as having everything you want. So think about its use. If it's going to be for work, think about do you want it to have a little kitchenette in it? Because I assure you, speaking from experience, it's very annoying needing to walk into the house any time you want a cup of tea or you want a glass of water. So do you want to sink? So just think really carefully about what you want to use it for. I would advise don't go as big as, you know, like don't swamp your garden with an outbuilding. I think it's really important you work with scale and proportion of your space because unless you want it to be a focal point and if you do, then it's going to need to be

one hell of a nice building because you're going to be staring it all the time. Just think about the size that you actually need and work with that. And then if I may say one thing, for God's sake, make sure you wrap it in plants. Like get plants in front of it. Obscure those views. Ideally, when you're in your house, you don't just want to be like sort of confronted with a building, ideally get layers of planting in front of it, maybe some hedging, maybe turn it, you know, what we've done here is put a hedge right through the middle of the garden, well, the second, third, and then put the building behind that with loads and loads of plants just because actually the goal isn't to just stare at another building in your garden, ideally.

No, of course. So wrap it in planting. And then, I mean, there's so many different finishes you can choose from sort of like, what, timbers and cladings. And, I mean, there's so much to choose from. I could do a whole episode on this. But mine is from a brilliant company called James Gray. Check them out.

They're awesome. I love James Gray. But they do add a lot of value. And if you can fit one in, I don't necessarily think that's a bad idea. Great. What would you do if you had just a little room just for you? It would probably be a yoga and Pilate Studio. Right on.

Yeah, I'd love that. Just, yeah, just my little Zen space. Nice. Yeah. That'd be mine. Next one. I've got a question from Heligin. I think I said that right.

Okay, what are your thoughts on colour drenching? Well, they better be positive since you just did it in my living room. Yes. I love colour drenching. It's done right. I think some people get carried away with the concept of colour drenching and they never quite do it right. So for a start, if you're going to colour drench,

the amount of times I see someone sort of going for it but about 80% and then they fall over on the kind of and then they just sort of don't paint the skirting board or they sort of leave the sort of coving or you know they take it up to the picture rail but then they don't do the rest

that's not colour drenching is that you're really going for it like you just go floor to ceiling all the way up and over but I cannot stress enough the importance of careful planning because the likely it is is that you're already going to own the existing furniture that is going to be filling that space or that room. And so you fall in love with the colour and then you just colour drench it and then you put all your furniture back in that you had before

without really thinking about whether your existing furniture works. When you're colour drenching, it's almost like either you're going to have amazing architectural details that you're kind of, it's a brilliant way actually of almost highlighting architectural features. I know you'd think it would do the opposite. But it creates beautiful shadows across architectural features, which is just beautiful. But it's actually the furniture is almost the star of the show. It's what you're bringing into the room that is going to be highlighted more so than the colour itself. So what are you putting on the walls?

How are you lighting that space? Is your existing furniture going to work in that room? It's so important to think that. So yes, I love colour drenching. Yeah. I do see a lot of people do it and they just get it wrong. So, yeah, I do. If you're going to do it.

Do it right. Just look at the existing things that you own. Think about the things you're going to keep and that you love. And then plan the colour that you're going to bring into the room as opposed to going, love that colour, going to splash it all over my walls and then move my furniture back in and then stand there thinking, God, why does this look really odd? Why does this not work? And it's because it's probably not going to work with the existing.

And also, don't forget, we want to always think about a common thread that it runs through the house. And this is another thing I see is that sometimes you walk into a room. And it feels completely disjointed from the rest of the house. It doesn't feel connected. There is no flow. It's like you're suddenly walking into a wall of colour. Yeah. So it does that colour connect throughout the rest of the house.

So, yeah, that would be my advice. But yes, the answer is yes. Okay, my love, I'm going to do one more for you. Sarah, just Sarah. Hi, Sarah. When do I prune my roses? I have Olivia Austin Rose and no idea when to prune it. Okay, so that is a shrub rose.

We're going to be pruning all shrub roses in. in January. So put down the second tiers. You don't need to do anything now. Although what I would say, if they've got really crazy, sometimes they whack on a load of growth at this time of year and they're full on arching over, you can bring them back by about a third now if you want to, because if you have strong winds of things, it could actually cause some damage. So if it's gone nuts, you can give it a little trim, trimmeroo, but we will be doing major prunage in January. So just leave it alone for now. And we will revisit it then. Okay. And the last little one for you, Jojo. Tell me, decorative rug under a bed on a carpeted floor, yay or nay. It's a yay from

me. It's a yay from Jojo. Yeah, a decorative rug on a plain carpeted floor is okay. Do you know what I'm going to say, Paul? I'm going to test you. What am I going to say? Don't do that in reverse. No. No. Hang on, no, don't tell me. What should the rug, the patterned rug that's going to sit on top of the carpet. Yeah. What do we need to have a common theme. It needs to feed into the decor. It can't just be random.

It must have a colour within it that feeds into it. What would that be? What part of the colour? What are we talking? The carpet? The tone. The tones. Think of the tones.

So if you have a grey carpet, yes. You don't want to do is going to put a pattern rug on top that is oatmeal, with green and red in it, like sort of warm, warm, it's going to go, you're going to have a warm thing sitting on a cold thing. Ain't no one wants that. No one wants that. Except I love it in a salad.

Delicious. A warm potato. You love a warm chicken on a cold salad. Oh, banging. Okay, but not in a carpet in a rug. Not on a carpet, no. So if you've got a grey carpet, for instance, then you're going to want to choose a patterned rug that's sort of got lovely, like maybe greens and blues and hints of grey in the undertones.

Cool tones. Cool tones. Got it. Think about the tone. Whereas if you've got like a baby Cicely moment. Yeah. Go warmer. She said it was patterned, didn't she? Yeah. Okay. Think about warm. Yeah. Okay. It's all the tones. All in the tones, baby. Same with paint. Same with everything. All about the tones. Just one little last thing to ask this week, Polly, what is in and what is out for you? Should we start with what's in? Let's start with. Yes. What's in for me? And I'm going to start my quest this evening, I think, is I want a pair of like creamy white satin trousers,

kind of like a palazzo pant, like a sort of very wide leg, loosey goosey pair of cream trousers that I intend to wear for the Christmas festivities. As we know, Polly doesn't go to any parties. So I don't know where I'm going to wear them probably just at home. But like just loosey goosey that I'll wear with kind of like a black top. I just think, I was thinking I almost like a, I almost could see you in a black sort of velvet jacket, like a really long... You got it, you got it, yeah, with nothing underneath, lots of gold drawing, and then like floaty white trousers. Love that look. M&S had a cracking pair, of course, they're so out. Okay.

So, um, you're on a mission for those. I'm going to, that's my mission. That's my in this week. How about you? Mine is high-waisted, always high-wasted me. Yes. I need to pinch in at the waist. We want to see that waist. Uh-huh. Tight down to the bum. And when it gets to the knee, I want to get a flare. I want a pair of black. You're going, oh, you like the idea of little flare.

They're coming back, aren't they? I want a pair of, like, black, leathery style flares, high-waisted. Okay? So that's my mission. I'm going to find them. They will, they exist. They will exist. I love that.

I just, sometimes I love a little, like, evening, evening window shop. But I'm definitely feeling like I want a velvet jacket. I want like an oversized velvet sort of dinner jacket thing. What colour? In a brown, in a black. Lipped, like a little silk slip underneath, a little, like, sexy bra. But I'm thinking black. Yeah.

Yeah, that's nice. Classic. It's just black for me. It's just like a way of living black. Yeah. Lucky you in your winter tides. And what's out, my friend? Well, what is out is us, Paul, isn't it?

Mm-hmm. Yeah. We're out. This is our last episode of the season, my friends. So it is a juror from Myanmar Powell, Paul. And we may be back one day soon. Let's see. Watch this space. Watch this space.

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