The Ins & Outs - Farewells, Finales & Wooly Aphids

Episode Date: June 10, 2025

It's time for a summer break as we finish up season 2 with more laughs and great advice!Jojo talks us through her funny farewell to her Dad and deep dives into cooker hoods.Polly has added to her growing brood and has all the info you need when it comes to what to do in the garden in June.Plus, Jojo solves Polly's woolly aphid problem, with some super heroes of the garden!This week's episode is brought to you by Best Heating! Whether you're planning a renovation or searching for your perfect piece, Best Heating have got you covered. Make sure you check them out at https://www.bestheating.com/. BestHeating have curated an elegant collection of radiator valves and pretty little extras like pipes and wall stays to help you achieve the perfect look. From traditional to contemporary, you'll find the ideal pieces to complement your radiator and elevate your entire room.InstagramPodcast - @the_insandouts_Jojo - @houseninedesignPolly - @pollyanna_wilkinsonProducer Andy - @andy_rowe_WebsitesJojo - https://www.housenine.co.uk/Polly - https://www.pollyannawilkinson.com/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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And therefore, if you are planning renovation, because we're now entering the warm months and if you have a renovation planned for the winter months do not forget your radiators please do go and check out best heating at www.bestheating.com thank you best heating I love you now on this week's episode we are talking about my pops funny farewell. Polly is talking woolly aphids, what to do in the garden in June, I deep dive into cooker hoods, we talk about what to watch on telly and Polly has added to her growing brood. So let's jump on in.

So let's jump on in. Hello old bird. Hello my love, how are you? I'm all right thanks, I'm a bit pissed off it's raining. Oh this weather's miserable isn't it? It's just the weather we don't need right now. Well we do, the plants need it don't they? The plants do need it actually. And my house has basically turned into an orchard

because I've just bought so many fruit trees. I don't know, this is sort of a, I've bought, I've got about six fruit trees now. Oh, what have you got? Well, a couple of apple trees, a plum tree, a pear tree. With a partridge or? With a partridge, a couple of, yeah, with a partridge in the pear tree. And then my fig tree is really

good right now. I love that. The fig is living life. Olives are not good. If anyone wants like three really magnificent olives please come and buy them off me because my landscape designer has told me that this garden is no place for olive trees in my garden. We're going English country not Italian. We're going English country and I see it now and it's so annoying that you've said that to me because I see it and I look at them and I'm like you've got no place here. But they're really beautiful olive trees. So if anyone wants three really established olive trees, please, you know, hook me up.

Are you going to put a damson in because that makes for a lovely, lovely liqueur? A damson in distress. I should really, shouldn't I? Yeah, I should. Why not? Damson, yeah. What I'm doing is I've potted them all and I'm going to get them really nicely sort of make make them feel comfortable here get them to a place where they're a bit more established and then pop them down in the paddock when the time is right to plant trees. Okay you know I like that that's a good idea it's actually probably easier to keep keep them alive near the house rather than having to water loads of them far away. I think even if it's just a year or two at the moment just get them looking really get them get them really a bit more established. Get them looking. Yeah. And then introduce them to their new neighborhood.

Maybe you haven't got any crab apples either. And they're my favorite for a little bit of spring blossom. Oh, the spring blossom. I want the spring blossom. I think my pear tree does that. And the apple tree, well, my very, very lovely friend, Catherine, sent me a Pippin, as you know, we call my dad Pippi, and she sent me a Pippin apple tree, which is so lovely. So I've planted him. So he's and it looks like that gives off quite nice blossom. So a Pippin Cox. Funny enough. Pippin Cox.

Pardon me. You're a Pippin Cox. Pippin Cox. That's called. Yeah. Cox apples. I've just planted a couple of crab apples as well. I have terrible news. Oh no. I've just planted a couple of crab apples as well but I have terrible news. Oh no. I have woolly aphid. Oh I'm so sorry. Woolly aphid. Okay I need to tell us what that is. So an aphid is obviously the little green, the nasty little aphids that climb all over our eat the heads of roses and things don't they? They do but these are woolly so they look like

they've got a little furry coat. Oh. Like a woolly jumper. I caught one of these caterpillars on one of my trees the other day and it was really like mental looking, like a rock chick caterpillar. It had like black furry back with these yellow spikes like a yellow mohican and it's a moth. Oh no, it wasn't a processionary moth was it? No, it's called a black something moth and it was yeah it looked a bit mean and just

yeah it eats like giant holes in all your leaves. Oh, funny games. I know, I know, I know. So we're just dealing with that aphid situation at the moment. I know the general received wisdom is encourage ladybirds. I don't know how to encourage them, short of being like, you're ladybirds. They're supposed to be like the superheroes of our gardens. They are. Yeah, superheroes. They are. Yeah.

I tell the kids that all the time. Superheroes of the garden. Superheroes of the garden. Okay, anyway, so there we are. There's fruit trees for you. There's a fruit tree catch up. That's a riveting intro. Where to go from here? How was the funeral?

Oh gosh, yes. It was absolutely beautiful. It was everything and more, but it was the biggest contradiction of a day that I've ever experienced. It was brilliant, but awful and happy and sad and I didn't want it to end but my god I couldn't wait for it to end and Now it's over. I feel really depressed. I feel really like I feel like the

Page has been turned on a chapter and now life has to start again and the story has to begin again And now I have to live with finding a way to live without my dad and it's almost like this doom hit me all by the way everyone I when I soon as I got on this call to poll I burst into tears so I'm holding back the tears now but and it was it's just been the funeral was so beautiful and it was just I 200 people, nearly 200 people showed up. It was amazing. And all of those people, because I wanted more time to speak to every single one of them because everybody I spoke to and everybody's eyes that I looked into, I could see my dad. That's going to get me going.

Because all of those people were his friends and his colleagues and people that knew him over the years and they had stories about him. And I would never have met those people And seen those people if it wasn't for dad and so being in a room with them all I just felt my dad all around me No, I feel like because when I'll see a funeral, you know And it's over people go about their lives and it's the family that are left with the you know The grief of carrying the loss of that person and moving on. I mean, it's only my sister, my mum and I left. And I've got a cousin Mark, who's like sort of stepped into the cornerstone

in a little bit of like, we haven't got a map, we haven't got it. How I can describe it, it's like being in a boat and your dad is the mast, this great big mast. And it's like the mast is gone and we're suddenly in this boat and we're like bobbing, this great big mast, and it's like the mast is gone and we're suddenly in this boat and we're like bobbing around in the ocean like fuck where are we going like what do we do now? Help somebody help! And so we are lucky we've got Mark who sort of stepped into that you know a bit of a father role in a way. Well he's more of a big brother to me really but and then obviously the boys have been amazing Pete Pete and Brad have been amazing, but we just miss him terribly. I mean, I just

miss him so much. But there is something funny that happened at the funeral to try and lighten the mood a little. I think I said dad got buried in, I always go to say married. It's a funny thing, isn't it? Totally different events. But it was a natural burial ground. I've never buried anyone before. Have you, Paul? Have you ever buried anyone? No. So it's sort of graveside, you know, there's a whole, the coffin gets lowered. But as we came out of this beautiful pavilion where we had the service, the heavens absolutely opened. I mean, it was like biblical rain and the wind swept up. And it was like, it was almost dad's way of saying, let's have a laugh here at your expense,

because the umbrellas were shooting inside out. Everybody in the pavilion is standing there. And there were people like outside because they couldn't fit. And everyone was just looking at the family with dad, trying to get dad down to the grave site and it was just like comedic honestly it was like and also the funny thing dad wanted always look on the bright side of life by Monty Python so always look on the bright side of life

and there's a bit as we came out there's a bit of the song that goes life's a pile of shit when you look at it and it's as soon as we came out, there's a bit of the song that goes, life's a pile of shit when you look at it. And as soon as we walked out, and fucking heavens open and it pisses rain, the wind picks up, the kids umbrellas are all blowing inside out. They had to bring a little golf bag to take mum down and put the kids in.

And it was just, it was so God awful, the weather, that it was funny, because everyone, because dad was in a cardboard box and everyone was worried that the cardboard box would disintegrate. Suddenly dad would be exposed or you know the lid would blow off and there would dad would be you know and all these funny moments that if it hadn't been raining and down at the graveside rocky nearly fell in it's so sort of like chaotic and we're trying to open a bottle of champagne the umbrellas are blowing inside out, we're sticking the plastic bottoms on the plastic glasses to try and, my cousin Kate's just like wetting us out,

literally nearly wetting us out laughing. So between the cries there were these laughs and I thought, I looked up at the heavens and just said, dad you bastard, like give us some sun, this is just too funny, because I can imagine him just out there howling with laughter at looking at our last slot, you know, trying to be on my roast. So it was a really, it was a really beautiful, it was a beautiful send off. It was, it would have been exactly what he wanted. It was uplifting. It was fun, but lots of tears.

And I think everyone felt he was, he went too soon, but yeah, it's onto a new chapter. I'm going to give a bit of advice though, to our innies outies and in-betweenies that um, we waited six weeks to bury dad And I'm so glad we did because I think a lot of I know culturally sometimes you have to bury them quicker I know in Ireland, it's like super quick, but We made the choice to wait actually a little bit longer and it was six weeks from when he died to when we buried him and it gave us time to process and go through the feelings

of oh the first couple of weeks I didn't believe it was real so I kept thinking I'm gonna see him and I feel like if he'd been buried in the third week I would have been in a really bad place and I felt like the six weeks gave me time to almost process it and make an organizer and get it really right. And I practiced the speech. I printed it out. I like, I'm like, we took our time to do things right. And I'm so glad we did. So for anyone that can spare the time, don't rush it. That's what I would say. Okay. Good. And I wish I could take an entire week off work to just sit on my phone and write

I could take an entire week off work to just sit on my phone and write emails and messages to say thank you to everybody that is taking the time to message and email and write letters and send me flowers and all these things because I simply can't get back to everyone and I just want to say a massive, massive thank you for everybody's love and support because it is meant more than you could possibly know. Oh, that's lovely. So there we go. New chapter, new start. Yeah. Anyway, we should all go through it and I now know what to expect. So I will be that championing friend who will be like, are you okay? Are you okay? Are you okay? Yeah. But anyway, anyway, my love. Well done for getting through that.

Thank you, darling. Yeah. Anyway, tell tell me your news darling. How are you? Catch me up on your news Lighten please. My life sounds so silly in comparison to yours. It doesn't lighten the mood. Come on I have to get back into it I have to kind of now pick myself up and get back into the swing of life So tell me what's been going on. Well, I'm the proud owner of three additional chickens. I saw you went to a farm show Is that right and you've come back with more chickens on? Well I'm the proud owner of three additional chickens. I saw you went to a farm show, is that right? And you've come back with more chickens. Who are they? Jojo, there is nothing, there's nothing in life I love more than an agricultural show. Have you ever been to one?

Like a county show? Of course I have, I live in the country now, don't I? So I love a bit of agricultural country show vibes. It is jolly good fun. I've just been so much fun every year since the Bath and West show, which I've been going to since I was two, probably, for 37 years. I just love it. It's no airs and graces, proper. And I've been watching a lot of Clarkson's Farm at the moment, which I do absolutely love.

I love Clarkson's Farm. It's just so good. So good. I love it. It's really compelling. It's absolutely brilliant. Yeah, it's so, so good. And it's just taught us all so much about farming and just about how fucking hard it is. Like they say, if you see a farmer in a pub, buy them a pint because, you know, they need one. You know, we bitch about the weather, but actually, yeah, when you watch them and they're

just like, we can't because it's not growing or it's too wet or it's too dry. And anyway, so we went to this agricultural show and in the back of my mind, I thought, I wonder if there will be any chickens. And sure enough, there was this amazing tent and it was just wall to wall chickens in these little sort of crates. And do you know what, I think if I ever needed evidence of why I adore Colin, it is the fact that we walked along and we were there with my fakes. And I turned to him after I saw some of these chickens and I went, do we need some more chickens? And he said, yeah, I think we probably do. Because I just think there would have been a world with someone else who would have gone like, no, we don't

need any more chickens, which is definitely not what I wanted to hear at that moment. He's like, yeah, I think we probably do. I was like, how many do we need? He was like, three or four. I was like, yes. Right. So what are these chickens called? So glad you asked. We have got Beatrix after Miss Potter. She was absolute champion. I didn't know about Beatrix Potter. She bought up loads and loads of land in Lake District and donated most of it to the National Trust. Amazing woman.

Did she? Legend. And we've got Rosemary after Rosemary Berry, who was an iconic garden signer. And we have Marjorie after Marjorie Fish, who I would say is sort of one of the grand dams of the cottage garden movement. Amazing. But they all go together quite nicely as well. They're all quite old school names aren't they? Yeah I love that. You know they go with the other girls and my god my friend, everyone had said when you get chickens beware of the pecking order like the chickens in order to establish their sort of ranking. They literally peck

each other. And with the first five they didn't touch each other and I was like I don't know what all the fuss is about everyone is just I don't know what this is but my chickens are very mellow. Put the three new ones in which we took advice on because they weren't an established brood clan what's a gaggler chickens called? We put them in because obviously if they've been together for quite a long time you're meant to do it really slowly and gradually. Put them in my gosh it's they peck each other's face oh get their beak and put it over the other chickens beak it's aggressive oh god i mean so i can only um i can only sympathize with that because i know what that was like with dogs because i did exactly that

where we bought dogs we so we had a puppy and then we thought let's let the puppy then was about i knew we waited about three months and then thought let's get another puppy worst idea. We had to get rid of the other puppy We had to give it to yeah, because they literally go to kill each other if you don't buy it you have to either get them at the same time or Don't you know get one much later when they're more mature. Yeah, so there's a proper I know I'm the boss I get this I'm just going to look up what is a, what's a pack of chickens? What a group of, a group, sorry not a pack. Do you know what, there were also runnarducks there. Oh it's called a flock or a brood. A flock or a brood. Or a clutch, I like that, a clutch

of chicks. There were runnarducks there, I really want runnarducks, but we just don't have space, we live in Suburbia. And apparently a There were runnarducks though, I really want runnarducks, but we just don't have space, we live in Spurbia. And apparently a group of runnarducks is called a waddle. A waddle of ducks, that's sweet. A waddle of runnarducks. We're just a waddle of ins and outs. A waddle of ins and outs, well I am when I've got through the Stilton.

You could have runnarducks. I could have runnarducks, of course don't get me started. We've just, we've got our new fencing going in in the next couple of weeks. It's not gonna be about 10 grams worth of fencing that's gonna go around the paddock so we're gonna get that done first because at the moment it is why are you putting that in? Oh we just need new fencing the whole thing's falling down. It's just yeah so we've got to get that done. Sounds expensive. I know it's's a lot of, you know, just these things, isn't it? We've got, yeah, we're sort of doing all this maintenance stuff first, all the boring stuff, and then obviously the

garage will start at the end of September. That's flying round, that is flying round. That's exciting. That is exciting. I don't think we'd confirmed that date on the pod before. Well, I'm hoping to start the house at the beginning of next year, that's that's gonna fly around before we know as well. OMG. Oh I know it's about time it came round. That's something to look forward to. I can't wait yeah I cannot wait it's all it's all go go go I tell you it's all go go go so what else um what else did you what else do you do at the farm show? Drank loads of cider, my god.

And the proper stuff as well, none of this thin watery stuff. Is that dry? Is that sort of like... It's almost like leaves are kind of... Like a film in your tongue, doesn't it? That sort of cider, it's like really... Slightly farmyardy. I want it to be like waving at slightly pooish. Yes. Manurey cider. A little bit manurey.

Yeah, and exactly what you mean. Yeah, you can almost get the apple residue, don't you, on your tongue, and it's quite bitter, but in a really good way. Just amazing. Do you know there are places, there are places around here, I'm sure this is everywhere, but you can take your apples,

if you have a big apple tree like we do, I don't think ours are very good though, so I don't think they're cooking apples, but you can take all your apples, take them off to a local brewery, cider brewery, and then knock up your own cider for you. Today? Yep, you can get your own bottled cider from your own apples. So if you are just getting rid of all your apples, look up where you can make your own

cider. New special apple cider. There you go. So that's it. And funnily enough, we'll go to another one this weekend. We're going to the South of England show with the kids. This was just me and my folks. Look, the coupe can take 10. We have eight. Oh, you're definitely going to fill up that. Do you want any more fights though? No, I don't think I can. And we're having to put them back to bed again because the two new ones, Rosemary and Marjorie haven't figured out the whole thing. So no, I think eight is fine. I'd love an egg or two, but yes, so that's my chickeny life. Other than

that, the other thing I want to talk to you about is And Just Like That, also known as the reboot of Sex and the City, which I can't imagine you've watched yet. I mean, I'm always behind the curve with these things, pal, as you know, even more so lately, but I completely, I love it. So I messaged Paul and I was like, Oh my God, I've got, I have beaten her to something here for sure. We started watching this series. And first of all, I messaged Paul and I was like, mate, got a new series for you. It's called Sister Sister. Epic. Got to watch it. And she's like, you mean better sister. And I was like,

oh, bugger off. And then she's like, watched it. And I was like, oh, where do you sleep? Like, do you actually sleep at all? Or do you just do things in your, do you just walk around with your eyes pinned open? I don't understand. Will you find the time to do these things? It's unbelievable. Oh dear, give me a bit of that juice. Send a bit of that juice over here, will you? That polyjuice. Oh my god, I love it. Anyway, for anyone that needs a good series, Better Sister is real good. Jessica Bale. Jessica Bale, she's fit. Should we do some questions? No, I want to, we didn't talk about Sex and City.

I want to talk about it. Oh sorry, Paul. You need to watch it. Interrupted you there. So rude. So rude of me. The fashion on it is just absolutely nuts. I mean, also the subject matter, poor Charlotte, why do they always give her these awful storylines? She's got one about her dog being aggressive and he's not really... Honestly, I don't know how she agrees to the script. But the fashion, you have to just watch it for the absolute bat-shick fashion. I don't know who's... Obviously, Patricia Fielding doesn't do it anymore, does she? Someone else has done it. At one point, Carrie is essentially wearing a giant gingham dog bed on her head, I kid you not. Well, I mean, maybe it's amazing and I've just got bad taste, but she genuinely had a giant bonnet. And I was like, that's, I mean, you could probably pull it off, pal. You could wear that, maybe Chelsea next year.

We'll share a picture of it. And then the next scene, there's one of the new cast members who I can never remember the name of, she's lovely. But she's wearing these giant balls around her neck, like wooden, not wooden, almost woven balls. Like what you used to get in like C&A in the homewares aisle that you'd put in a bowl. Oh god. You know those sort of big round balls? Yeah and I'm not mad about those. I don't like big balls in the middle of tables or balls or strings of balls. They're very passe. No one needs a big ball. No. But Ran, yeah, it just, I don't know, it distracted from the questionable storyline.

Yeah, it sounds good. If you want to watch something where you're just like, this is insane, but also nostalgic, then you know, and just like that is, is what you want. And at one point there's some, there's some phone sex with Aiden, which is also incredibly cringe. The whole thing is a little bit cringe, but watch it anyway, it's great. Okay, I'll watch it. Thanks Paul, thanks everyone. You're welcome.

There's something to pass the time. Should we let everyone know then that we're thinking of this might be our last, this is maybe potentially not our last. Stop flirting with it. We are going to take a break over the summer because we have lots of things to do, namely work. But we might dip our toes back in occasionally, but we are going to be returning basically in autumn. So in October, we're going to be back with a bang and then we'll do another whole season.

But we just thought, do you know what? You guys are all going to be going off on some holidays and various things and you're not going to be wanting to listen to what to do in the house and garden. You know, we've got to build up some good content. You know, we've, we don't want to get boring. We want to stay current and relevant. Relevant, don't we, Paul? We do. We do. We're going to, so this is our last episode of the season then we're gonna regroup, we're gonna gather all your questions together get organized and we will be back in the autumn so I hope you don't miss us too much. No don't miss us too much. We will miss you. Still keep writing.

We'll be in touch and we might pop in for some little shorties, some little quick and dirty. For like a peekaboo. We're here. Cooey. Cooey, cooey. Tickle, tickle, tickle. And then we'll go again.

And then pop back again. Yeah, so that'll be us. Doesn't count if it's only in and out. No, no, okay, right. Well, let's make ourselves useful then. Let's do some questions before we piss off. And go on. Leave everyone.

Go on. That leads me to ask you one question. What happens in the garden in June? Well let's make ourselves useful then, let's do some questions before we piss off everyone. That leads me to ask you one question. What happens in the garden in June? I'm so glad you asked. Oh good. So what are we doing in June? I mean it's a busy time and not a busy time in my view because a lot of it is just sort of keeping on top of things. So if you've got raisers in the garden, if you don't why not put some in, then deadhead them. You don't have to, you can leave them if you want, you just won't get more flowers. So if you

just go out there, little secateurs, or you can snap the heads off, but I just don't, I don't love the look of the sort of dead stem, just snip them off. The more you snip repeat flowering roses, the more roses you get. And at the moment, right now is sort of a little bit of a tricky time where a lot of plants have sort of early flowers have flowered and we're waiting for the summer stuff so it can be a bit gappy now so that's why if you deadhead the roses you'll keep getting more and that sort of could bridge the gap. You can make sure that you're doing lots of watering as well so remember to water your pots, shove your finger in if it's dry, water it. Don't rely on just rain.

Rain won't permeate into a pot enough. You can plant out any of your remaining annuals that you've not planted. And then it's other things like staking, which is something which I think a lot of people are scared of. But basically you can buy those sort of metal rings or you can use band-leukanes. But it's your taller stuff which flops that you want to stake. And that might well actually include some of your hydrangeas. If you have hydrangea annabelle, get some lobster

pot type metal holders over them so they don't collapse too much in the rain. But any of your taller bits that are just going to flop and snap and then you'll go, oh, I waited all year for that. Just get some canes in, tie them quite low, the trick is to tie low. You can also prune any sort of spring flowering shrubs as well, so if things have flowered already, you can prune those as well. So I mean those are a few bits. A lot of it is just getting the circuitiers out and snipping stuff at this time of year, snip and support. Can I just take a rewind there, did you say the rain will not be enough to water those pots? So if it dumped with rain for a week you're still

gonna need to water your pots? Well I mean I guess the point is that if you've got the pot is full of plants the odds of there being enough rain that it's got through the plants into the soil and really so it's quite small. Put your finger in and have a feel. I think that's one of the biggest mistakes. And actually the other thing you could be doing just once a week at the moment is make sure you feed your pots. You get all these messages being like, why is my XYZ sad in a pot? It's because it's growing really quickly at the moment. And the compost you put into your pot only has about six weeks worth of food in it. Right, okay. So if you think that's long gone, the food that was in the compost is long since used now. Gotcha.

So once a week, you can just use a seaweed feed or a tomato food or something like that, just once a week. Okay. Feed, feed, feed. Amazing. There you go. Thanks, love. That was really, really helpful. You're welcome.

Right, I have a question for you, Jojo. This is from Hannah. I was wondering if Jojo could give us a bit of an oven hood masterclass, for example scale and material. Ooh oven hoods. I don't think we've done oven hoods before. I don't think we've ever talked about oven hoods. No, we have a lot of fun with oven hoods, usually because we always conceal them. I will never have a steel or glass oven hood on display so we'll always try and conceal them within cabinetry. You'll see them boxed

in with joinery or they tend to sort of be flush with the ceiling so it depends on your architecture, your ceiling height, whether you're having a hob on the island or whether you're going to have it on the background. Various things like that will obviously make a huge difference. But we'll get into the sort of the boring stuff first is when choosing your oven hood obviously you've got to consider the size and the material itself because the oven hood has to be wide enough to cover your entire cooker top, your hob. So if you've got a nice wide 1100 range,

don't then go for something that's only 75 centimetres, obviously that would just look nuts. So it's got to be almost exactly the same size. A hood should be installed about 60 to 75 centimeters from the top of your worktop, top of your stove to the underside of the hob. So that's to make sure that it's actually sucking, it's doing its job, it's sucking out the food smells. And then obviously there's various things, it doesn't really matter what the material is to be honest. I'd say that there are different types of extractors now that can... Gosh, it's... Because there's some that are a filter, right?

Some that if you don't have a sort of pipe out of the house, you can rely on a filter, right? I used to have that in an old house. Yeah, but that... The thing is, again, it depends if you've got enough... Usually the extraction goes out of the ceiling and then the pipe work will sort of go along the sort of the void in your ceiling and then out of an exterior wall, which is what ideally you want to have. You can get these recirculating extractors as well and you can even get extractors that pop up out of your worktop. So if you don't want something sticking out of the ceiling, you can get those as well. They're all right. They do the job.

Obviously it's much more efficient to have one above, but if you've got very, very high ceilings, you don't want an extract you don't want to hold an extractor that comes right down really low or those you're gonna have this great big thing coming down from the ceiling so you would have to use something like that I also saw this amazing one at a client's house which was a cooker where the extractor was sort of in the hob it sort of pulled pulled the air yes right down it goes it sucks it down and then out. Extraordinary! So that goes through the floor, which is again...

Amazing! Brilliant, yeah. That's the thing, it's a little bit like how long is a piece of string in the sense that there are so many different options now. It's not like these old fashioned stainless steel things that just stick on the wall and that does a job. There are so many options now and you have to make sure that you're choosing the right one

because yeah, a lot of it comes down to style, size, make sure you've just got to make sure that it's doing its job. There's no point in getting an extractor and then not fitting it at the right height or indeed it being too small. So what do you do if you've got your cooker in the island? Well again you either have one that you're bashing your head against. No, either you have one that self circulates, one that pulls the air down into the cooker and then out. Okay. Or it pops up the back, sort of this little, it looks almost like a little TV that comes out the back. They're a bit more passe now those. But yeah, we tend to do those. Or what we're doing at the moment, at the lovely Lang's's house because we need to, we're working with Small Bone on the kitchen design and we have boxed in

because the ceiling is low enough that we can do this. We have a cooker hood that comes down from the ceiling and we've boxed it in. So we've done a cooker hood design where you've got your metal extractor set within essentially a boxing and we create an MDF boxing and then we've paneled it and put some coving around the bottom to make it look lovely but you can do plastered. Gosh there are so many options now you do curved

plaster paneled sometimes people just add like a nice coving detail on the bottom edge that's a bit more traditional loads of options. You did a lovely design for my one we'll share a photo. We're going to photograph my house soon aren't we? We are going to photograph, we've just got to get our lovely Joie in to see when she's free. She's a busy lady, she's a busy lady so we've got to get her in to come and photograph her little day shooting Polly's house. Oh we'll be revealed. Yeah, that's gonna be great. Okay I've got one here from Lisa. I'd like to take indoor tiles outside. Can I use the same tile and if not, how to match them? Ah yes, okay. Well, I mean, the short answer is no, not the exact same tile, but it could be a variation of the same tile. So you get indoor tiles tend to have a lower slip rating and they also are often thinner than what we would use outside. So there are companies out there that will sell the same limestone, for example,

and it's an exterior version of the interior. So depending on what you choose, the answer is sort of yes or no, or you can tonally match. So on occasion, we have used the same stone in a different format in terms of it's got a higher slip rating. It's just grippier and it's thicker as well. And same with porcelains as well. So you've got to really watch out because what an interior porcelain would be wildly inappropriate for outside. It would just be no, no, no. And we've seen it happen a couple of times, not nothing to do with us. Thank you very much.

But where we've come in and the previous owners, for example, have done it and it's absolutely lethal. So the most important thing is you make sure that it's an outdoor rated tile and then you're absolutely fine and then you can, but if you can't match it, it doesn't matter. It doesn't have to be the exact same. It just has to have the same spirit, the same tones, for example. So if you've got, because you know, Jojo, you'll often use use wood floor yeah weren't you in a kitchen or in a living room that's adjoining it and we're not going to suddenly put wood outside just so that it matches but we will always put the buff we will always see what the buff

limestone that's being used outside will look like next to that wood floor so like if it's got yellow undertone pink undertone grey undertone they've got to match I mean there's nothing worse than if you've got a really jarring interaction between the two, which is why we spend our life working with interior designers when we're doing designs. We always want to see what the interior designers are planning for inside so that we don't go off piste and be like, oh that doesn't work. And we do always say, don't we, is that when you're choosing something for outside going from inside, you can afford to go a couple of shades darker outside because when the sunlight hits especially on a south facing elevation it can suddenly light

up like and become really bright and it feels a bit too bright. Yes so if I went darker in our stone outside even actually to the eye it looks like the same stone now but it's actually several shades darker just because it's that much brighter outside. I actually like the look personally of not the indoor outdoor thing. I like a break and an oh something different. I love to create variation even in rooms in the home. I don't like to walk from one room to the other and be like oh same same. That's why I love thresholds. I love like a change in flooring. People worry that be like, oh same same. That's why I love thresholds. I love like a change in flooring. Like you know, people worry that there's too many floor types. There's

not, it's not, no such thing. It's nice to mix it up and do different formats as well so we'll often play around with something smaller or something larger. So it doesn't all have to be matchy matchy. If anything I think it brings some extra interest to the table if you do. I just have been obsessed with cobbles. I just bloody love a cobble. I know it's like extra interest to the table if you do. I just have been obsessed with cobbles just bloody love a cobble I know it's like grout grout you know grout grout grout. I love a cobble. Bloody love a cobble. Cobbs are amazing they work best in a in a rural setting. Yes. Obviously because that's where you expect to find them but what about the architecture? Right. Okay. Well I think this is our final question Jojo. Final question of the season. Let's make it count.

Make it count. Okay, the final question of the season is from JKN1984. Great name. May I ask? Did your mum choose that? Jojo. Hi Jojo. I remember you mentioning the psychology of colour

in an episode. Is green good for a bathroom? Green is the colour of true elation. I'm not going to sing it. You're right. It is, isn't it? Of course it's a good colour for a bathroom. It's a brilliant colour for a bathroom actually. Just picking the right tones because you don't want it to feel sort of clinically.

A bit hospital-y. just picking the right tones because you don't want it to feel sort of clinically. But it can be a bit hospitable. No, you don't want that. Exactly. But it can I don't tend to not go with colors like fun colors in bathrooms. I like them to be a bit more sort of sagey greens, a bit more soft, a bit more minty. But green is a calming and natural color. And therefore it gives. Yeah. And I spoke about this in the God, Paul, I think that was one of our very, very first episodes. and natural color and therefore it gives, and I spoke about this in the,

God, Paul, I think that was one of our very, very first episodes, so well done for sticking with us. It was. But it actually is a, it's a clean, it gives off the feeling of cleanliness green. Nice. Which is a sort of, and therefore it's great because it creates a sort of almost like a spa-like

atmosphere. I don't know if you've been to Time, have you been to, you've been to Time Hotel, haven't you? I haven't. Have you not? It's on the list. The whole spa is green. It's all green, green, green, green, green, green, green.

And you walk in and just feel so calm and sort of tranquil. So yes, absolutely green is a banging colour for a bathroom. Would you go with something like JJ's green? No, I was like just no I'd go for like a next Tuesday green So that would be lovely color in a bathroom because it's a soft calm green anything that's too dark I always think what are the tiles that you're gonna be putting with that green as well. That's tough. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, it would so quite going dark green can make it feel more, I'd say a bit more edgy, a bit more luxurious if you're gonna go with like sort of emerald greens. Yeah. But I think you're better off going with sort of more of a sage mint green which is going to evoke more of a sense of freshness and make the bathroom also feel bigger and more airy. So yeah. Love that. Okay. Lovely. So tell me, Jojo, what's in, what's out?

Haven't thought about this week. Have you? Well, shall I say my in and it might make you think of one. Go on then. What's in for me is a blush, which I've now been using since Christmas that I'm obsessed with. And I don't know if you use it actually, it's by Merit. Do you know Merit? No, I do know Merit. Do you know Merit? Do you know what I do know Merit and I've, I keep thinking I need to start using it because

I keep getting, I keep getting spammed and I like the look of it. Is it a stick? So good. So it's the blush balm. No, it looks like a little nubbin. You're like a little knot. It's like a little gold circle with like a little pom pom nubbin of blush. Yes. But I've, I bought it at Christmas in the US actually, at Sephora. God, I love Sephora. But why I love it, it's not an ad, is you build up the colour. So you don't just put it on and it's like this aggressive colour. It's quite sheer. So you put it on and it's

quite a pleasing thing. And then you rub it in and then you can put a bit more on, a bit more on. So you buy the colours and they look really intense. You're like, oh my God, this is going to be severe. And then it's actually, they're all very sheer. So I've got a few of them, but I've got cheeky is my favorite. You should try it. It's my favorite. Actually, I've just bought myself a new bronzer. I bought myself a NARS bronzer. And it's called Laguna. And I like it because it's got a bit of a shimmer in it's like a tan. I it's odd, this window, I'm sitting in front of a really big window and it's not a good light on my face at all, I always look a bit kind of washed I disagree, you look jazzing.

I've got holiday tan and you can't really see in this light because I'm so washed out in white grey clouds at the moment. But the Laguna by NARS is really, I love it. It's really nice. I want to ask you about this actually because this is a pet peeve of mine. I don't like Makeups that have like glittery bits in it. Do you know what I mean? Like if you buy a bronzer or a brush and it's got sparkles, I don't want a sparkle on my face. I like a bit of dewiness though. I like dew. I don't really wear powders. I like dew. I like dew. I don't really wear powders. I like dew. I like dew. I don't like sparkle. No.

Oh, I've got, I don't want to look like Edward Cullen in the sunlight with the like, No, I see what you mean. I know what you mean. And also I think as you get older, it doesn't really work either. I think that really works well on, yeah, that works well on youngsters. Lovely, like fresh skin. Yeah. Looks delightful. Do you know what I will tell you is in actually, I yesterday, so dad's funeral was on Tuesday. Yesterday, Lilla and I took the day off to go

and hang out with mum and cousin Mark. And we went to have a lovely breakfast together. And then we walked into Wimbledon and we went for a little shop. Went into a evening, so shopping center in Wimbledon. We went at a right little good shop. Delightful. And we were trying on sunglasses and ended We went to a very good shop. Delightful.

We were trying on sunglasses and ended up buying myself a new handbag, which is gorgeous. I'll share it. Lovely. A very good bit of retail therapy to cure the blues. I bought myself a pair of new sunglasses. Now sunglasses to me are like crack, basically. Some people do shoes, other people do bags. Like I am, I must have about 20 pairs of sunglasses. It's unnecessary. But anyway, do you buy really pricey ones? These were Prada. So they were pricey. I will lose them and I will or I will

break them. My cheapy ones can't lose them. can't break them. That's how it works. I only ever buy well priced, like not bougie ones because I don't look after them well enough. These were fairly bougie but they're so cool. I will look forward to seeing those. I will share them. They are sexy. And what's out? Do you have an out? Come on, actually give us a good out. I have an out. It's kind of been in and out because we're in rosé season. Do you know

what? I read the Sunday Times the other day and some of their etiquette stuff really dicks me off and it was like you mustn't drink rosé until the 1st of June or after the 1st of September. Oh the Times is just such a tossy. Bugger off. I cannot stand the Times. I'm sorry you're just a bunch of nasties. I enjoy their star magazine but I don't love the rich list and I don't love the bad rule. No all just bad. No, go on. But on the basis of that with rosé and Colin and I are going to do a rosé taste test very soon. But there's a new wine, which is called, I don't know how to pronounce it, rosarange, rosé and orange. Rosarange is probably not it's probably like rosarange. but it's a mixture of orange wine

and rose wine and I want to try that. So that's technically an in. But you know, my theory is like rose is out, rose orange is in. So let's all try that. Apparently Lidl has a great one. Right, a good old Lidl. Love a bit of Lidl. Okay. So there we are. And on that note, my dear listeners, we love you. We do love you. We'll be back. Yes. We'll come back for a little peepo over the summer. We'll just come back for a little tickle. Don't forget to like, subscribe and share in the meantime so that by the time we come back in autumn, my God, we will be barraged by questions, reviews, likes.

Also, I feel like on the Insta we should share people's photos and things. God, it's absolutely pissing down her. I feel like we should... We should have just gone off on a tangent. Bye, my love. Bye, my love. I feel like we should share some photos of like people's garden dilemmas and things. Should we do that a bit on the... We will. Yeah, let's just... We're going to a bit? We will. Yeah let's just... We're gonna get organised? We're gonna get ourselves really... we always say this we never do.

We just turn up and hope for the best. And on that note I have got seven minutes to get to my train. In the rain. Love you. Love you so much in ease outies and in betweenies. We love you, we love you. Keep in touch. Bye my darling. Bye.