The Ins & Outs - Finding inspiration, preparing for spring, and celebrating the '90s

Episode Date: March 31, 2026

In the last episode of the season, we're talking the essentials of spring gardening, how to divide perennials, the best seeds to sow directly outdoors in April, and why the wellness routine trend has everyone suddenly wanting a home sauna.Jojo shares a personal health update regarding her recent diagnosis of onset arthritis and seeks advice on holistic management, while Polly discusses the financial realities of home renovations and whether expensive window upgrades actually add value to a property.This week’s episode is sponsored by our friends at Oka, who have just launched their new garden collection. Listeners can use the code OKAGARDEN15 for 15% off their purchase until the 23rd of April. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Green, the color of you see I've been waiting for you, waiting for you. Welcome to this week's episode of The Inns and Outs with myself, Polly Wilkinson. And me, Jojo Bar. In this week's episode, we are talking about bootrooms. We're looking at where on earth you start when you don't have the creativity or vision. We're getting into what seeds to sow now and what you can be doing in the garden in April and sauners. And we're also going to be diving into our love of all things. 90s. So let's get into it. This week, we are sponsored by our friends at Oka, who have just launched

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In these andalities, Oka have given us a lovely, cheeky little discount. A 15% off, which is Oka Garden 15, which will be active from the 24th of March through to midnight on the 23rd of April. Enjoy. Hello, old girl. Hello, my darling. How are you this week? I'm well. How the devil are you?

How the devil are you? Well, I've got some, I've got, I've got, I've got a niggle. I'm going to have a little, I'm going to have a little niggly moan. Good. Jojo's moan of the week. Let's start with that. Let's start on a negative. Let's go for it.

This is actually a real time annoyance. I'm actually really cross about this. But as when I, anyone out there, like over, like, gosh, I can't see. This is actually just going to back up what I'm actually about to say. It's almost like you turn 40 and then everything starts breaking down. So your body starts breaking down. And I have onset arthritis. No word of a lie.

I know. Which I didn't realize. How do you know? Because I've got it for, it's sort of when I say onset, it's been slowly. but surely creeping up on me over the last couple of months, probably a few months. I think you sort of start to feel niggles. The knuckles on my fingers are starting to sort of swell a bit. And this is exactly what happened with my dad.

So my dad, it runs in the family. My dad had it very badly. And his mother had it very badly. His, I mean, there's a lot more I think we can do with it now. And there's more things that can be done. But when, in my grandmother's, you know, however many years ago, she had literally hands like claws. Yeah.

And it sort of affects the knuckle joints and it also, you get this sort of swelling. And my fingers are starting to change shape. So that's the first thing I noticed. And then I started to get this sort of pain in a couple of my knuckles. Yeah. And so I immediately was like, right, because you can't, once you got it, you got it. So it's really important to get to it early as possible. Okay.

And you almost have to change your entire diet because it's certain things that can cause inflammation and worsen it. So I have been to the doctor about it and it looks like I have onset rheumatoid arthritis, which is a real bastard at the age of 43 years old. I don't know anything about this. So what? Creeping up my 44th birthday. And of course I've done loads. You know me, Paul.

I love a good research. I've fallen down so many holes, like literally deep, deep, deep holes researching. And you can't prevent it, but you can assist it, essentially. So, but it really, red meat is one of the worst things you can eat. Red meat, processed food, high salts, deadly nightshade vegetables, which you'll know are like peppers, obergines, things like that. Yeah.

And so there are certain foods that can really inflame it, even like tomatoes bizarrely. So I've just got a lot of education to do around it. And there's obviously various things you can. I'd rather go down the slightly holistic route with it than diet than change it. And I don't want to go down, you know, sort of having injections unless it gets really bad. But bearing in mind I'm only 43 years old, seem to be 44. It feels young. But then from what I understand, it starts between 40 and 50.

So it's not, you know, there you go. And I now really sympathise with my dad. Because I remember so often he'd sit on the sofa and he'd constantly be doing this. And I feel myself doing it now. I'm doing these hand exercises permanently now because there's lots of palm strengthening exercises you're meant to do. But anyone, please, lovely listeners, if you know of anyone or can help in any way or you know of any little, you know, tips and tricks with arthritis, I would so appreciate any advice and help. How rubbish. I'm very sorry to hear this.

I know. God, it's a sign of me. Sign of, I mean, I'm literally middle age. I don't understand how that can be a thing. I didn't think arthritis came on that early, but it can happen even in your 30s, apparently. And I sound healthy. All shit seems to come on. Yeah, and I don't smoke.

I don't like, you know, I don't eat shit processed foods. It seems really unfair. But anyway. It does, because I don't exercise and do eat loads of shit processed foods. So it's sort of that, you know, if it happens to me. Yeah, that tracks. Do you have it? No, see, that's the thing.

I think it's hereditary. I think it's a redatory. I see. I see. Most things are. So it doesn't matter. whether you eat the processed foods or not, it's coming. No, probably not. It's coming for me.

Yeah. I inherited my dad's arthritis and shit teeth. I've got terrible. Do you know how many fillings I've got? How many? 14. I've got 14. Good Lord.

I know. I've got terrible teeth. Are they the black ones or the white ones? No, like, ah, white ones. But I think probably... But my teeth will probably all end up coming out, and then I'll have them, you know, I'll have those, like, fake set of nashes when I'm older,

because they'll all be, they'll have to keep going at them. I'll have bridges and all sorts. Fun and games. Yeah. Have you got a little Renault update for me? Have I got a Renault update? Well, I do because we're going to be moving out in two weeks time. Oh, M.G.

I know. We're renting one of those little site cabins to sit outside the cottage because we figured that there isn't really enough space in the cottage for all of our stuff. So we're going to have a site. So what's going in the site cabin? I think it's going to be like clothes and clobber. So I figured if we were. We keep the clothes in there.

Because we're doing it over the summer months, right? So it feels like, you know, it feels really weirdly. It just feels, doesn't feel real. It's so bizarre to think this is going to be happening. I'm so. How exciting. I love that you've gone straight from the cottage into the house as well. Like, bring it.

I know. Well, if I don't do it now, then I'm not going to, I'm not going to do it over the winter months. It has to be done over the summer. I just can't bring myself to do it over the winter months. So I really want to be back in the house. house. Look, I'm going to put this here now. Putting this here now. Oh, yeah. What's your deadline? What's the deadline we're given? Well, there's a deadline. Obviously, I'm telling the builders and there's a deadline that it's like I've got in my mind as being the absolute cutoff.

Is it Christmas, JJ? I'm not doing that to myself. No, I'm saying, I'm saying to the contractors at end of October, it's a sixth month. This is a sixth month build, six month build. So it's April, May, June, July. In and out, shake it all about. But it's up to me. I've got to get this, I've literally got to get as so organized because, if I'm not, it's me that's going to be the one that's holding things up. So that can't happen. Wow, this. I know.

How exciting. Well, I look forward to hearing all about it. What was your bill? What did you do in the end? Was it nine months? We started, well, we started in April, but we didn't. They turned up and put some hoarding up and then went away and came back a month later because I think they, you know, you know what it's like.

Builds never start on the date. You hope they're going to start. It was May through to the following February, basically. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Nine months. It was a big build, though. It was a wopper.

It was a big build. He had a big old extension. and stuff, didn't you? We did. Peak excitement. Porch is going on this year. Oh, that's exciting. Did you get,

did you pull out the big purple hydrangea? Are you going to? Yes, that's gone. Oh, it's gone. It's gone. She gone. She gown. Bah, bad.

No, I've re-planted the front already. I'm absolutely desperate to do the driveway, but porch first, because my house is currently like a house with no nose. Okay. So you're going to have a... House with no nose. It's a house with no nose.

It's true. I think that about porches. And I think the windows are eyes. Yeah. And the window treatments are the mascara. Although interesting fun fact, I want to change my windows, the ones that I didn't do in the build. And I had an estate agent around to be like, what do I need to do? You know, like, if I ever sold, because thank you everyone for telling me that I should move.

What are the things that you need to do? I was like, do I need to do the windows. Because windows are expensive. They were like, no, no one cares about your windows. I was like, oh, right, okay, fine. I just don't believe that. I'm sorry if there's any agents listening to this, but some of the stuff they come out with is It's a real tosh.

Like we had an agent come around to our house and was like, they said to us, if you do up the garage, it's not going to put any value on your house whatsoever. I was like, I beg to differ. I think if you came around now and saw what we've done to it, you would say that it's put value on the house. I think windows are a bit different to it. I don't know. I think windows people know, windows are so expensive. Windows are so important. But it's not, I can understand if they were single glazed and you were like, no, I'm not doing that.

They're double glazed. They're perfectly serviceable. They're just not as pretty as the other ones. And it's sort of like, that's a lot of money to spend. Do I think I'll get my exact money back going? But the windows are nice. I don't think I will. It was really interesting, actually, hearing from them the value in terms of, I don't know if

this is interesting. I hope it is because I think if we're talking renovations, then House Valley. They said it takes four years for you to out earn the cost of your renovation. So obviously, assuming you haven't gone absolutely nuts and over spectic for the sort of place that you live and all of those things, it's about four years to sort of make your money back. from the investment, which I thought was, you know, whereas it used to be, do you remember the days of changing rooms? I don't know, when we were kids, when it was like, you do something, it's instantly gone up in value. Now, it's about four years after you've done it, that it will go up in value,

which I thought was an interesting fact. That is interesting. I just think the whole, for it to sort of wash its face. Say it again. So basically, whereas before, in the olden days, when we were younger, I think in our 20 years ago, when people would buy properties, do them up and flip them, the value would be almost instant, like what you would spend. versus the value it would go up by. Whereas now, because obviously build is so expensive, and if you do things to a really nice quality as opposed to kind of like the cheapest

that you can do for everything to flip it, it takes about four years for you to start seeing a profit on it as opposed to you'll probably make your money back, but to make a profit, you've got to sort of live in it for four years for the value to go up. That's not even including obviously all the work that you do on it. No, no, no. So they've basically, you know,

if you sold it the day after you'd finish doing it up, you'd probably make your money back, probably, but you wouldn't turn a profit on it. But if you do it up, they all said, it takes about four years for you to wash your face and for it to actually have been sort of a worthwhile endeavour. Depending on how much you spend on doing it up, though.

Of course. You know, it's... I don't know if I believe it anymore, because the cost now of doing up houses, especially with like these insane wars going on that just, you know, are throwing the world into complete turmoil, everything is becoming exponentially expensive.

So who even knows now? I think you've almost got to do up your home now and put that to one side and think, don't worry about what is going to make you back, worry about the enjoyment that you're going to get from living in your house. That's where we're at now with our house. We're thinking, I'm not doing up my home

because of what I might make back. I did think that originally. I was like, right. No, but you're not with a view to move, pal, whereas obviously from what we were talking about the other day when, you know, whether I stay or go. So what you mean. I do care because I don't.

I don't want to have thrown away money. So it's what you mean. And they, fun fact, they said that it would, you know, what I've seen. Yeah, true.

I think you're nowadays, gone up in value. So that's good. I get, yeah, that is very good. I mean, you have,

I mean, obviously it's designed absolutely beautifully. So, you know. Oh, just imagine the estate agent pictures. Can you imagine? Can you imagine?

It's just going to fly out the door. I tell you. It was really interesting, actually. The feedback from all art in ease and outies in outies was much the same, which was moved whilst they're still young-ish. And I had quite a few saying my parents moved when I was 18 and it never felt like home. And it's exactly as I thought it was.

Okay, right, I've given you my updates. I want to hear what Polly's been up to? Come on. What have you been up to this week? There's got to be some fun stuff going on in life. Well, a little bit of fun, which I've not talked about yet because I didn't want to, whilst it was still on my driveway because I was terrified. Someone would nick it like they did the digger.

we have had a mobile sauna on our front drive for the last two weeks. That's exciting. Yeah. So there's this amazing sauna company. I mean, God, they will make you swoon. Jojo, you will want one instantly. Out of the Valley is what they're called. And they are the most insanely beautiful saunas.

And they very kindly said, Would you like to try one for a couple of weeks? And so as a surprise for Colin's birthday, I was like, oh, yes, please. So it came, it's basically like a sauna on wheels, like a shepherd's hut sauna. Okay. And they brought it and put it on my drive. And as we've talked about, my drive is not exactly beautiful because it's not been done yet. So it looked a little in Congress, this stunning bespoke beautiful sauna, sat on my ramshackle drive.

But Colin's been out there every day in it. And I gave him an ice bath for his birthday. So he's been out there doing like his wellness routine every day for two weeks. I think he's going to be absolutely devastated because it goes today. But my God, it's been so interesting because the last six months, every single client I've met has said they want a sauna. Without fail, it's the number one thing on the wish list now.

Whereas last year, no, it wasn't. And now it's like sauna, sauna, sauna. I got to tell you, I'm not much of a sauna person, but if you are, God, what fun. So nice. We're going to get a sauna. That's on our list as well, actually. We're having a sauna at the back of the garden.

Because we love them. Brad absolutely loves a sauna. Yeah, absolutely loves it. And just the health benefits of a sauna are just, I mean, it's just insane, insane. I know that. And it's, do you know what's interesting? I do notice it's more men that want sauna. I'm always really interested to see what the different genders ask for when we get briefs.

And it's the men's that want the sauna. Really? That is interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's because women probably don't like to sweat as much.

Men don't mind sweating, maybe. Maybe. So you tend to get. I don't know. It's interesting. And we've had that on a... We just don't have space. There is...

We are at max capacity and obviously I've handed over as much as I can to grow to cut flower beds and chickens and everything else. The chickens got the sauna. They basically... They actually did.

The chickens got the sauna zone. So I physically don't think we can stuff one into this space. No. You could get a two man. Can't you get a little two man? It's got to be a two man. I mean, we really don't have a lot of space.

Not to mention they're not the cheapest thing in the world. No, they're not. That's the one thing we're finding out that they're not. So my main news has been, yes, Saunerville. And then of course, we're entering like peak garden time now, my friend. So we're in April. The clocks have changed. Yep.

Happy clock changed day to you. It does make, I know you said last week that you wouldn't change the clocks, but I have to say it does feel nice now, doesn't it? No, no, no. I would change into this. Oh, this one. I would have this permanently. This is the joy.

It's always so sad in October when they go back and you're like, mm-hmm. Yeah, we should just keep your life. You're right. You're right. I'm with you there. So what should we be doing in the garden, Paul? I'm so glad you asked because there's so much to do, my friend. Okay, what we're going to do in April, the number one thing, my favorite thing to do in April is to divide your perennials. So it's a great time to give yourself free plants, essentially. So there are loads and loads of plants that you can dig up now, divide. And all you're going to do, so let's say, for example, hardy geraniums or catmint or alchamela, you dig them up, you're going to whack a spade through them or you might need to use four. you might need to use a bread knife depending on what you're dividing. And then you can replant them elsewhere in the garden. And it's just one of the best ways of making your garden look more cohesive is to use the plants you've got and repeat them. So it's a great opportunity to either bulk things out

and make them into sort of bigger masses, which you know I love, or to repeat them. And now is the time. And it's that question, I get loads of questions, it's now a good time to move stuff. And the answer is by and large, yes, it's a really great time to move things. It's a really great time to divide your perennials. So just to be clear, you can't divide shrubs. So you can't divide like a hydrager or a rose. This is for perennial. So the things that kind of die back in the winter and then are coming back up now, nice leafy foliage, those are the things you can divide.

Then towards the end of the month, you're going to be able to direct sew your seeds, but we'll get into that later because I know there's a question coming on that. But direct sewing means sewing directly outside. If you grew sweet peas over winter, you can start planting them out now as well and just make sure they've got something to climb up. You're going to deadhead any of your bulbs that have gone over as well just to make sure that all of that energy goes back into the bulb. Definitely time to start focusing on your lawn as well. So it's a good time to scarify and to aerate and to give it a light feed. And just be sure if you're starting to cut the lawn, just don't scalp it. Don't go

really, really short straight away. Go for a high cut and then as you go through the season, you can bring it lower and lower and lower. Just don't go really hard on it straight away. And my final it would probably be make sure that you're feeding your roses. It's kind of a peak time now whilst they're putting on all of that foliage. Just give them a feed and you'll make sure you have a, you set them up for a really good start. But that's just a few things you can be doing now. And if you haven't pruned your hydrangeas, now is the time as well. But hopefully you've seen me wittering on about that on social media for a couple of weeks now. Wonderful. Thanks, Paul. That was a great lowdown. Love that. Let's get into some questions,

shall we, madam? Yes, let's hop on in. I have a question for you. Okay, I love this. Would you match your bootroom and your kitchen unit colour? Oh, very simply no, absolutely not. Oh, okay. Tell me more. No, I don't think, every single room in your house, although there wants to be a common thread, a flow,

wants to have its own character in a boot room, doesn't want to feel like an extension of your kitchen, because it's not. A bootroom has its own has its own pipus. And therefore, actually, if anything, you can have some real fun in a bootroom. I mean, bootrooms I tend to always sort of go earthy. I love earthy colours in bootrooms. So sort of dark, muddy greens. But then it also depends on where it sits in your house and how much natural light you get.

Boot rooms can also be much like yours, Paul. I know it's a sort of, it's a utility bootroom. But, you know, we've got, went with that lovely sunny yellow. So I think it's an opportunity to create something quite fun in a bootroom and give it its own personality. I'd love to have a boot room. Wouldn't that be amazing? Any more tips for boot rooms? Anything? What's the storage tips you have for boot rooms? Is there anything we need to be thinking about in terms of like shoe storage versus coat storage? What's the deal? How should we be doing this? What's your preferred shoe storage technique? Oh, it's a really good one. This and actually when we're working with clients, it's really important to understand how you live in your house

because every client's very different. Where do you kick your boots off when you come in? Some clients like to have boots on display. Others like to put them away. Others like to wash off their boots outside before they bring them inside. Others just walk straight in and want to hang their boots somewhere. I'll just stick them in a basket. It depends.

I think it can vary hugely. And therefore it's very much client-dependent. If you're asking me what I would do, I would always keep a space to always have a bench with somewhere that you can just put your welly boots underneath because I don't think most people are going to wash their boots off every time they come back from a walk. Who's doing that?

Who does that? Seriously. So you can brush the mud off but most of the time they get left outside on the porch and then bought in when they've dried off a bit and then left on the stone floor but you tend to want to put them under something which is always quite nice to push them under a bench. So I'll never completely box off a boot room

where it's just walls of units. So I'll always have open space where you can push baskets and shoes storage. Yeah. Again, I think it's really important in bootrooms that if you're going to have shoe storage where you have one of your cupboards, you know, is just shelves to put all of your shoes, kids shoes, trainers, smelly trainers, sports trainers. It's going to get smelly in that cupboard. That is why we have erration holes. So we want those little airation holes, which can look really pretty. Obviously, you can see that, you know, so many of these little units that we do these pretty little leaf designs and things.

there is a reason for that. Yes, it looks very pretty, but it obviously is also airing the cupboard. And you can get some really cool metal vents and things as well, which are really cool. I'd say that's really important. I'd think about hanging storage. Again, is it a bootroom that people are walking straight into every single day? And therefore, you're going to see loads of coats hanging. Do you want all your coats to be on open and on display? If it's tucked around a corner and it's of secondary entrance, it doesn't really matter that your coats are on display. in a way you're better off having coats where they can air. So have an area where you've got some hooks to come in for your everyday coats that you're not putting away into a cupboard.

But then the things you're putting into your cupboard tend to be your secondary coats or winter coats or things that you can just put away for that season. But I would always sort of try and do a bit of a mix of open storage. A bootroom still wants space to breathe. I still think you need that lovely little bench seat with some storage underneath and some hooks above. Otherwise, I just don't think you want to be clanging around opening cupboard doors trying to find, you know, coats and bags and woolly hats.

So, yeah. Good tips. Good tips and tings. Okay, running outside. Polly, can you sow seeds directly into soil or does it have to be inside first? Yes, you can. And actually, now April is time when we'd start doing that outside. So let me get into it.

Right. So whilst we've been sewing nearly everything undercover, so indoors in sort of February March, and even sort of early April, April. Now is the time when you can start sewing, direct sewing outside. And direct sewing means when you would prepare your seed bed and you would literally sew it outdoors rather than starting things off. So things that you can do now would be the likes of Nigella or layer. You've got Ami, which is that really beautiful umble that looks a bit like cow parsley. You could do dill. You could do

poppies like papifers somniferaum, which is one of my favorites. So that's like Lauren's great. One that you'll see at Chelsea loads, which is really tall with a sort of very beautiful maroon flowerhead. You can do Californian poppies as well, which Jojo I know you love. Cyrinthi, calendula, and you can start doing things like rocket, spring onions, spinach, mustard greens. So there's absolutely loads that you could be sewing outside now. And the trick is you just need to make sure that you prepare the seed bed well. So you're just going to want to weed it thoroughly, give it a really good rake.

And then you plant them in drills. And one of the best tips I could give you when it comes to sewing outside is do you try and make sure that you do them in rows. And the reason is it will make it much easier for you to identify weeds if you do so. Because if it's all in a line and something deviates from that, you know it's a weed. So it's just a little bit of a trick. Make sure that you moisten the soil. If you're using watering can, make sure you use a fine rose on it. Because if you think about it when you're sewing seeds, what you don't want to do is then drench it with water and all of the seeds sort of get washed around.

so it's about moistening the soil in a way that doesn't wash them away. But really, they should be cracking on quite soon because it's those, like, we've got, April is that perfect moisture, rising temperatures, increasing in light, so you can get out there and start sewing. There are a few things that I wouldn't start sewing outside just yet, and that would be things like Cosmos, Zinia, Nicosciana, Scabius. I would still do them undercover, just because, you know, if we get some frost, that's not the one, and you can do them in May.

Thanks, Paul. That's very, very useful information. Get so young, baby. I just find seeds just so brilliantly fascinating. I just love this tiny, tiny, tiny little thing can just bloom into something so beautiful. The seeds of hope, Jojo, the seeds of hope. Right, back indoors. I've got an in any question here. Where do you begin decorating room when you have absolutely no inspiration or creativity?

You phone a designer. You just call me, love. There is, well, you just ask a question on the ins and out like this. It's such a common starting point. Honestly, the most honest place to begin. So first of all, don't worry. And here's how we're going to approach it. So where to start when you have no creativity or inspiration is to really start with what you know you don't want.

I know that sounds counterintuitive, but it's incredibly useful to understand what it is you don't like. before you sort of try to get into what you do, which might feel more overwhelming. So scroll, Pinterest, Instagram, or even just have a walk-round furniture shops and antique fairs and just start to notice what makes you recoil because hating something is just as valuable as loving it. So it starts to define your taste, even when you can't articulate it sort of positively yet. Look at what you already own and love. So is there a piece of art or a rug or a cushion or even pieces of clothing that you absolutely love? almost start there, start with the colours that you're particularly drawn to in your home or in your

wardrobe. I find that people tend to play when they don't feel like they've got much creativity, people tend to play it safe. But you might find that your wardrobe is a little bit more daring. So your home might be quite sort of neutral and everything a bit white and grey. But it might be that actually there's some colours that you love wearing. So why not bring those into your interiors? I think people forget the personal style and interior style are usually very closely linked. I think you'll agree with that, Polly, when we're doing your house. That's true. Yes. So rather than trying to design the whole room at once, find one thing you truly love, could be a sofa, rug or wallpaper, and let that sort of let everything else respond to it.

It takes the overwhelm out of it entirely and it gives you a clear direction to follow. So use that as your sort of focus point. And then really go full analogue, pull pages from magazines if you want to go old school, take photos of rooms and hotels, restaurants, friends, houses, start to sort of, I always say it, start to sort of create a little mood board. make it fun, don't let it overwhelm you. Just don't overthink it, just start to collect. And after a while, a clear picture of what you're drawn to emerges without maybe even realising it. So I think really just focus on what you want the room to feel like rather than how it should look. So

do you want it to be cozy? Do you want it to be calm? Do you want it to be energising? Do you want to be dramatic? And that feeling becomes your filter for every decision and makes choosing suddenly much simpler. So yeah, remember indecision is usually just a sign that you haven't found the right thing yet, not that you have no taste because you absolutely do. Love that. Love it. Good. All right, my darling, running out into the garden and this beautiful sunshine.

Am I too late to get an empty four metre by half a metre border looking amazing this summer? No, not at all. I would say not too late at all. You're now, it's perfect time. It's perfect. April is like the peak. April is the pinnacle. This is our favourite month to plant, well, it's not.

I've got loads of favourite months to plant, but this is one of them. Because as I said at the beginning, now is the time when you're dividing loads of plants. So this is when we lift and divide perennials and move them around and plant gardens. It's peak. Everything's just waking up, but it's sort of not unhappy about being planted. So if you order your plants and put them in in April, it's going to look banging by the summer. What I would say is it depends on what size plant you buy. So if you buy the little ease, the nine centimetres, it'll look cute this summer.

It won't look full. and you're going to have lots of weeding. If you can afford to size up to a 2-liter and you plant them in April, by July, that's going to be looking really quite good. I mean, it's not going to be completely full, full, full, full this year. It always takes a year or two to knit together. But yeah, get on with it.

Get planting, baby. Good. Get planning, baby. Amazing. All right, thanks, Paul. Okay. Well, I think that's quite enough of that. That brings us to the end of the season. No, I'm going to ask you this week.

No, no, no, it doesn't poll. We need to go out properly here. What is in and to watch us out from you? In for me is, now that it's sunny, is I'm going to get some really cool like 90s vibe sunglasses. I've gone on the days at the big sunglasses. I want quite cool, you know like Carolyn Bessette from Love Story. The kind of Calvin Klein, quite narrow, black, they're chic.

Jimmy Fairly do a banging pair called the Emmy, which I love. Just chic sunglasses is in for me. For me, it's all about the 90s dressing. It's exactly that. It's those glasses. It's very effortless t-shirt, just shoved on with a pair of high-wasted, like, jeans, just a little pair of slippers.

Cute little loafer. Just keep it really simple. That is the style that works best for me, she says sitting here in a great pink cashmere jumper. But that I find if I try and overdo it, if I try and go to, I just, that just class and it is it's those glasses just so chic look cool so chic so chic although i did buy an amazing pair of pradas like that last summer

ahead of the sunglasses fashion curve because as you know poll like with your sweaters sunglasses for me are my nitwa your knitwa but i always seem to lose the really valuable designer sunglasses i can't lose the crap ones why it's why is that why does that happen That's how... But I'm also that person that takes my glasses off and just shoves them in my pocket. So it's my own fault really. It's totally my fault.

Oh God, I love it. So what's out? What's in for you, pal? No, that's it. In for me, I'm going to go 90s. I'm going to go 90s. You're going 90s. I'm going 90s sunglasses.

Yeah. Absolutely assessed. Out is us. Out is us, baby. We're out, babies. We love you. We'll be back. We will be back.

really enjoyed this season. It's felt like it hasn't felt like a chore. I've just loved it. It's been really fun. I've just loved catching up. Isn't that nice to know, but it hasn't felt like I've just really enjoyed it? So thanks so much.

It's been fab. Thank you for Okina and our other sponsors of the season. And we will be back when we have another sponsor and we've got something more to tell you. We're probably with an update on Jojo's renovation, which I'm very excited to hear about. Oh, we're deep in Reno, hopefully, when I next join. So yes.

Can't wait to catch you up and all that stuff. That's Brad making me a coffee next door. Bang, bang, bang, bang. Well, that's our cue then, isn't it? That's my cue. All right, loves, take care of you all and stay in contact. Big love. Love you very much.

Bye. Bye.