The Ins & Outs - Getting Ghosted, Killer Trees & Wall Paper

Episode Date: March 11, 2025

On this week's episode Polly and Jojo talk about the highs and lows of running their own businesses.Polly covers walnut trees and how they don't get on with fruit trees.Jojo covers wall paper and splash backs, plus we get into the pros and cons of water features.This week's episode is brought to you by Best Heating! Whether you're planning a renovation or searching for your perfect piece, Best Heating got you covered. Make sure you check them out at https://www.bestheating.com/ InstagramPodcast - @the_insandouts_Jojo - @houseninedesignPolly - @pollyanna_wilkinsonProducer Andy - @andy_rowe_WebsitesJojo - https://www.housenine.co.uk/Polly - https://www.pollyannawilkinson.com/Pod Rowe Productions - https://www.podrowe.net/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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see I've been waiting for you, waiting for you. Hello Innis and Outis, and welcome back to this episode of The Ins and Outs with myself Jojo Barr and the lovely Pollyanna Wilkinson. Now, before we dive into today's episode, we'd like to thank our wonderful sponsors, Best Heating. With over 15 years of expertise,

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We're talking about the trials and tribulations of running our own businesses and we talk about walnut trees, water features, wallpapers, splashbacks and loads more. So let's jump on in. Hello you. Hello my love. How are you? How's your week been? Yeah, I'm good actually.

You know, same old family situations, but amongst all that, work is absolutely booming. Things are going really well. I'll tell you, I have a bug bear though, Paul, major bug bear, and I don't know whether we've ever bought this up before, but I'm gonna just chuck it out there again. For anyone listening, this is my bug bear of the week.

And that is when we go to the effort of putting a proposal together and a lot of back and forth and there's like meeting and there's zooms and there's preparing all the stuff which takes a really long time and then we send it off and tumbleweed. Yeah we've talked about this before but it's devastating isn't it? It's just I just find it so bizarre in this day and age that you can have so much interaction with someone and be like, we'd love to work with you and so excited and then tumbleweed. Another annoyance of mine is when, okay, is when a client inquires with us and

they feel the need to tell us that we have, we're up against other designers. I hate that more than anything in the entire world gives me the instant itch. Don't need to tell me but it's like this kind of like by the way this is competitive and therefore you know you better give me your sort of let me just tell you guys I don't lower my fees for anyone and I say that in the friendliest way in that we are, if you think about a service, any service, we work on time, right? And we very carefully calculate the exact amount of time and resource that is required to complete a project.

I don't just stick my finger up in the air and stab it. What do I feel like charging today? Yeah, and if when you get the fee, you might think it doesn't work within your budget, then just say, it doesn't work within your budget then just say It doesn't work for us right now or JJ It's a little expensive that any and we can reduce the scope or whatever it is to work for you But to just aren't first off just ghost us is quite frankly rude Because you know, if you've taken time, I think you are a courtesy of a thank you very much

Yeah, either we're going with someone else or not. Also, there's no hard feelings here. I don't hold grudges. No hard feelings. Just say, really sorry, Jojo, we've decided to go someone else, but don't also need to tell me that you're up against people and it's a competitive tender. That one's an interesting one, isn't it?

Because I often wonder why we're being told that. I really, I hate it when we get an email and often we'll get emails which are generic and they'll say hi team and then it's got a pdf attached which has clearly gone out to many designers was instantly I'm like you know my fragile ego is like oh I was hoping you wanted to work with us because you know designers were like that and so you realize that it's they're probably shopping around, which everyone is completely entitled to do. Everyone's allowed to shop around. That's it, you can shop around. You wouldn't walk into a shop and try something on

and the shop assistant say, so do you like it, do you want to buy that? You wouldn't say, well, actually, I've seen something in another two shops that I like just as much. You just would say, no, thank you, I'll come back and I'll have a think about it. Yeah, so I think shopping around is fair,'t it it's always nice when it's like

oh I've been following your work for a long time and I'd love to work with you but that's again that's just it feels nice. But I find a source of frustration is when you send a fee proposal and then you don't hear back and then eventually you might hear yes or no. But there's been no conversation. So obviously when we send a fee proposal, as you say, the price is the price, the cost is the cost. We're not going to discount rates. So, you know, sometimes if people go, is there anything you can do on the cost?

The answer is we can reduce the scope. We can do less work. It's a bit like if you go to Tesco and you fill your basket and they tell you the price, you don't and you don't want to pay that. You don't say, can you give me a discount Tesco? You say, well, take out the packet of biscuits and the corn flakes, and then you pay that. And I think it's much the same with design.

It doesn't have to be, it can be like, oh, is there, could we do without this? Or can we stagger this? So there are always ways. Well, that's enough of that. Well, that was, sorry about that. We need to do some questions, my friend. Let's do some little quizzes.

Let's see what we've got for you today. I have a question from Stephanie. Hi, Stephanie. Who says, we're about to start on a kitchen renovation and I'm in a quandary over what to do behind the cooker. We're gonna have a freestanding induction cooker and an upstand running along the countertop, but do I also need to put a full splash back slash tiling behind the cooker? I really don't

love the look, but should I go for function over aesthetic help? Thanks so much. Yes, you absolutely do need a splash back. Oh, okay. Yes is the answer. It's called a splash back for a reason. You're going to get some splash back. So yes, you do need a splash backback and there are multiple ways of doing splashbacks. You can actually, as long as you've got a little upstand that runs around from your marble or stone worktop which usually is about 100mm high. Behind that you would usually then have sort of a, you could do tongue and

groove boarding because it's painted in a wipeable paint as long as it's very wipeable obviously MDF moisture resistant paneling is very you know hard hardy and wipeable and everything else so that's feel like that could stain though could it if you got a lot of pain isn't it so no not if it's not if it's a really decent eggshell okay no wipeable I mean like anything you're not gonna want to leave it up there for long are you once it's a really decent eggshell. Okay. No. Wipeable. I mean like anything, you're not going to want to leave it up there for long are you? Once it's up and you've cooked your meal, you're going to wipe it off.

Stains will only have a stain if you let them sit, not other fabrics, slightly different. Stains are going to get worse the longer you leave them. So it's a bit like with any form of stone or paint. So get it straight off the wall. But then you've got the option of tiles, or you can just do take the worktop up the back as well. And that can be just a big slab of splash back as well. But you've got tiles, Paul. I do, but my tiles go high all the way along. It's, yeah, it's sort of, it's not only following the line of the

cooker and the extractor, it goes the entire length of the wall, which actually I love as an aesthetic, I think it's really nice. I love that, yeah I love that. If you've got the budget to take the tiles up the wall then I'd say do it. But usually we would, I like the look of tiles that run up into something, so if it's running up into the underside of your cooker, and then running under the underside of your high units I always like to have something That sort of sits on the tiles that are exposed whether it be a little shelf or maybe a little Rail that you can hang some bits on. Oh, I see. So you don't like it finishing it off. Yeah, I don't like that look, it just stops and that's a lot of the time Why we'll do tile that will run up

and then it will meet paneling. So you might have a break. Which is what we've done at mine. Exactly, so the tile will meet the paneling and therefore it's a really nice join and that looks lovely. And then do you ever, I'm just thinking of other versions of splashbacks

and some people have like a big piece of glass. Don't like glass. No, okay. No. I tell you, I don't like glass. Colored glass, isn't it? Oh No, okay. No. Yep. I tell you, I don't like glass. Like colored glass, isn't it? Oh gosh, that just sent a shiver down my back.

Okay, right. No, like a frosted colored glass is probably one of my hates actually. Oh, I'm glad we landed on one. Short curtains, feature walls, and swinging glass chairs. I think that's a no from me. And glass tables, I don't like glass coffee tables. So yeah, but no, it doesn't work for me

because I just think you get smears. When the light shines off it, you're gonna be, unless you polish that thing to the ninch of its life, you're always gonna see smears and wipes and it just looks a bit, no. Okay. That's a no from me. Good. Okay. Good. Right, let's go outside, shall we?

Let's. Okay. This one is from Emily. Hello. I have an outy question for you. A squirrel has gifted me a walnut tree, which is already dead. That's a lovely gift, which has already grown to about two meters and is situated about three meters away

from a small young apple tree and not much further away from an established apple and a very young Crab apple I have read that walnuts can release something into the soil that will kill off fruit trees Do you have an experience with this? Love you both Emily? Thanks, Emily. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, well done for knowing this so it's Walnuts they release into the soil something called juglone, which is just fun to say. It's a natural chemical. I really hope I've said that right. But it's a toxic compound which are produced by walnut trees and it comes out of the

roots and the bark and what it does is it can inhibit plant growth of plants that are around it so that certain particularly fruit trees so fruit trees are really sensitive to it so it can stunt growth and it can yellow leaves can I just stop you there Paul look who's come for a little look is that Clarence or the other one this is Clarence hello Clarence or the other one? This is Clarence. Hello, Clarence. He's such a handsome boy.

I think you prefer Clarence to Alabama. Look, he's so handsome. Okay, she has a clear preference, doesn't she? You're not meant to have favorites. I don't have favorites. You do. You talk to Clarence with love and Alabama you're like get away. No I love my Alabama. Right carry on sorry I interrupted

the walnut chat. So the fruit trees which are really the most affected by juglone are apple, pear, cherry, peach and plum whereas mulberries and persimmons are okay. So yeah, to answer your question, if you have a walnut tree, it could impact your lovely fruit trees. I would also just say that walnut trees get massive, like massive, massive trees. So not only would I be concerned about your fruit trees, I'm also just concerned, like, do you want a tree there?

I know the squirrel has gifted it to you, which is lovely, but like, do you want it there? Because it might be cute in two meters now, but it is going to be enormous. So do you want the level of shade that it's gonna cast? Do you want the level of like, enormous-ness of tree, wherever, I don't know whether, if this is in an orchard, it's different,

it's in your city garden, but I would just consider whether you are happy with the location of that and if it's only two meters to be fair you could probably dig it up and move it but the sort of toxic zone is about 50 or 60 feet around a tree so the answer is yeah your apple trees may well suffer as a result of that one tree Okay, I've got a question from Natasha I was wondering what your approach is to mixing wood tones when buying antiques for a room How do you balance light and dark in our front room?

For example, we have a dark wood floor and I'd like to add a few dark wood pieces But I don't want it to feel too dark. Oh, this is really good question when it comes to timber You've got to think about wood a little bit like you think about fabrics and paint. It's all about the tones. It's all about your undertones. So where you have say an orange wood, you wouldn't then sort of go and introduce

like a light gray ash wood. It wouldn't look, the contrast would be cool and light cool and warm so it's okay to mix lots of timbers same with metals you know I was talking about the mixing of metals and you can have you know antique brass you can mix with bronze that's because they're sort of too con they can't you, they complement each other. So an example, if your dominant wood is say a light ash or a medium oak, like a lot of people have sort of medium oak floors, then it's okay to introduce a darker wood

to add some sort of intentional contrast. But like I say, just pay attention to the undertone of the wood. So if the other way around, I think she said she had dark floors. Absolutely, you can introduce dark furniture, but go a little bit lighter than the floor itself. And obviously, the dark flooring will be making the room feel a bit darker. What we don't want to do is introduce so much dark wood that it becomes oppressive. So if the dark wood floor you've got has got warmth in it, then try to match with other warm toned woods.

So likewise, if it's cool, then match with other cool toned woods. Just jumping on that in general, because I was sort of paying more attention, I guess, to furniture at the moment. Can you have antiquey stuff with more modern things in a room or if you're going the way of antique, everything in it needs to look antique?

Good question. No, you wouldn't be able to fill a whole room with antiques of different eras. So either you lean into whatever era the antique is, and that would create quite a dated feeling space. I tend to introduce, I tend to say that a third of the room is antiques, not more. But again, think about what it is that you're,

if you had one antique in the room, it might feel, it's gonna be the star, it's gonna be the star feature. So therefore you might wanna add another two items around the room to kind of help break up that feeling. A lot of people always say, oh, we've got this antique dresser for an antique sideboard. It might be like mid-century. It's going to heavily dominate your space unless you bring in other elements of mid-century into the room that are going to sort of disperse the feeling of like, oh, there's something mid-century.

It's, you've got, you want to sort of almost disperse the eye a little bit by introducing other antiques. But you would find if you bought something in that would say, I don't know, a sort of frilly Victorian table lamp, and then it was sitting over on top of a mid-century sideboard, that is going to feel a little bit odd. Say, say you've bought or you already own furniture from somewhere more contemporary like the likes of a Neptune for example, but then you want to introduce some antiques, does that

make the more contemporary furniture look weird or does it make the antiques look weird? No, but so if you were going with say, you know, 70% of the room is Neptune, the 30% of you could fill up with antiques. And it would be fine if that was like a pale wood, you know, sort of classic things that you'd find in the likes of Neptune tend to be that sort of quite pale wood tones. Pale like ash wood, yeah. Yeah, ash wood, thank you. Then you'd be okay to then bring in some nice chocolatey brown antiquey woods.

Exactly. So it's all going to be sort of fairly light ash woods, because it tends to, honestly, it doesn't really tend to be so much the age of the items, it's actually more the color of the items that can be the thing that's gonna catch you. So I think it's more, like I said, if you were to say taking that as an example of Neptune, they do have very sort of ashy, sort of cooler toned woods.

Then the woods that you're gonna introduce in your antiques either want to be like a sort of almost a cooler color as opposed to like for instance the piano behind me that's very sort of like a warm cherry color, that's very mahogany color, that's going to feel like hard, that's much harder to bring in. If you desperately want that then you're going to have to introduce warmth in other things around it like your fabrics or it might even be picture frames or other, but you've just got to bring in those other warm elements if you really want that sort of colour in your room.

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go with this one from Rebecca. Hello, love the pod. I listen every week on my drive home from work on Thursdays. Outy question please. Can you divide ferns like you would other perennials I've inherited some large ones with several crowns and don't want to lose them yeah you can so ferns are really easy to divide I mean I think the hardest thing about a fern is usually trying to like get it out the ground in the first place or out of the pot so they've got big old big old roots haven't they yeah they're like chunk big, they're like chunkers. Big old chunk, yeah, chunky buggers.

So yeah, short answer is yes. So dig it up and then as you say, if it's got multiple crowns, each one of those crowns could be a new plant. So you're gonna get a really sharp knife or a bread knife or a very sharp spade and you're just gonna whack it through and if you've got several crowns, then I would say I would suggest dividing it several times

and then replant them. It's that simple. If you are digging with a spade, silly question maybe, when you're getting to like a root of something like a root ball that's quite tricky, would you then move to the fork to sort of help it out or do you tend to always use a spade to dig out? Yeah, I think one of the biggest mistakes people make and what I did before I trained as well is digging too close to the plant as well. Like you need a root ball. You're not, the last thing you should be doing

is putting your spade like right up against the stem of a plant and hacking down. You should actually be stepping back, you know, 20, 30, maybe even more if it's a big plant, 40 centimeters and sort of digging round in a circle so that when you start digging, you're actually bringing the whole plant and a big ball of earth with it.

But yeah, as you say, you can, if they're really gnarly and they've been in their ages, then what you do is sort of carve around with the spade and then start levering with the spade. And you could lever with a fork, it doesn't really make a lot of difference. But really, if you can't get it out, it's because you haven't dug far enough around it,

or because it's really mature and it might not be particularly pleased about being dug up. But for herbaceous perennials and things like ferns, you know, they should be, you should just be able to dig around it, pop it out, cut it through. Gotcha.

Right, I've got a question from Katie. We have a small downstairs toilet, which is 1. Gotcha. Right, I've got a question from Katie. We have a small downstairs toilet, which is 1.3 by 78, with a boiler on the back wall. It looks hideous right now. I'm struggling to find a small but practical sink. Do we need to put one in? Would a corner sink be better? Ooh, Trixie. Oh, that is a teeny, teeny, tiny, teeny, tiny little toilet. In this case, I would probably go with a corner sink. I don't know which way your door opens. I'm assuming it opens out into the corridor,

but you do need a, you definitely do need a basin in a downstairs loo. It's really, it feels, I always think it looks like a sort of storage room for a toilet if there's no sink in there, it feels really weird. I know Paul, yours is slightly different where you've got a loo in there, but you're coming past your basin and then into the room. So unless you can literally put a basin outside your toilet, so it's very like it's another room with a basin in and then it's a loo, you need a basin. If you can fit a tiny little corner basin into the space,

which it sounds like you can, then do it. Go and have a look at West One Bathrooms or even Victorian Plumbing for lots of little tiny basins. They do huge variety. Luso Stone, if you want something a bit more interesting, little stone, wool hung stone basins, they do a really diddy one. Burlington always have nice traditional style, very very small wall hung basins. Obviously it's never going to have anything underneath it but it's just enough to literally just wash your hands in. Yeah. So just something I think would look good. Little corner thing. Yes. Okay, fun one here, poll from Chloe. How does one look chic when gardening? Can you recommend any good trousers or dungarees? Footwear, practical but attractive is what I'm aiming for. Chloe from Northumberland. Okay yeah all right I mean I tend to look like a homeless person when I'm gardening. I just sort of grab whatever's nearby.

I've usually got my hair tied up in a bun. I love that she wants to look trendy when she's out gardening. I love that for her. I respect that if you want to look chic. Why the hell not? Yeah, so my typical kit, Jojo loves them too. Love a blunstone boot, wouldn't be without them. So that is my go-to gardening shoe. And I think they're cool and chic. Jojo, do you agree? Yeah, absolutely. And then on top of that, I mean, I tend to just either wear jeans if it's not raining and it's not going to be like wet work or I wear the Akai trousers, the waterproof ones that I love. I've got loads of different pairs of it, which are kind of like a legging, but they're water resistant. So you can be kneeling down and messing around in borders if it's damp and you're not going to get wet.

And I think they're chic. And then, I mean, I wear quite a lot of tea store stuff when I'm gardening. Is that bad? I love the sweatshirts. The tea store sweatshirts are very cosy. They're great. They're perfect for gardening as well. I mean, they're almost too nice for gardening, but I wear some really quite nice clothes to garden because it's sort of whenever the mood takes, right? So I mean, I'm not sure.

Sometimes it's a bit weird if you're too well dressed for gardening. It's a bit like you're gardening, mate. You do not need to be like dressed to the nines, but no judgment. If you want to look chic when you're gardening, then I personally think chic gardening is actually wearing like cool outdoorsy kit. So car heart, like, you know, work wear.

I think far better that it's kind of a bit cool and sort of blundstones and car hearts and jeans and lean into the scruff. I find it, it creeps me out when people are sort of blundstones and car hearts and jeans and lean into the scruff. I find it creeps me out when people are sort of immaculately dressed when they garden because gardening is messy. I love those women who like in little floral smocks and they've got their little baskets and they're out there snipping and that's... I'm more of a scruff bag than that with gardening but you know if you're somewhere where you need to look good while you're gardening then get on the blunders

Get a bit of car hot and jeans. So Chloe what she's saying is that she doesn't Paul doesn't do sheet gardening. So Like work where she I think it's cool. It's kind of yeah Scandi and cool. So that would those would be my faves Okay, I've got a question from Emma She says thank you so much for the podcast. It truly brightens my week. I found a beautiful botanical wallpaper for my stairway, and I wondered if it would be overkill to have this in both the lower and upper hallways as well.

Stair and lower hall are also panelled. Is there a clever way to combine painted walls with some wallpaper rather than doing the whole lot? It very much depends on the on the paper itself. Is it a sort of small floral ditzy vibe or is it a great big pattern? I'm inclined to say go for it because I think there's something really really beautiful about wallpaper that is ground up to first. It's got to be something you love. Wallpaper is extremely subjective, it is essentially artwork that you're putting on your

walls and therefore it's something you're going to be looking at every single day. Make sure you love it enough and look if you don't it's only wallpaper you can replace it, you know, you can paint, it's fine. I don't really like the combo unless there's a particular wall that it feels. I'd have to see the space purely because if you're combining paint with wallpaper, you're creating essentially feature walls by doing one or the other. And it can look really impactful

and it can look really beautiful if you're almost using the paints very carefully curated with the wallpaper itself. So if the wallpaper was let's go with yellow, green and brown with a bit of sort of soft white in the background, I would almost pull out the sort of soft white, all the sort of shades of the soft whites and browns and find a really complimentary color for all of your woodwork.

So soften the wallpaper on the lower half in the paneling by using something that's very palatable, timeless, that's gonna compliment the wallpaper but help bring it down a bit and tone it down. If you wanted to go with like wow factor, huge statement, then obviously you'd paint the paneling in the yellow. You pick out the yellow from that colour. It's going completely bonkers. You choose a different colour altogether, but that would be very hard to do. So, and I think you're better off going a bit more neutral with a

bold wallpaper. That's what's going to help keep it calm. So really think about the colors and then I just yeah I think unless you've got one great big wall say on the ground floor that goes from one side of the hallway through to the other that's uninterrupted you could potentially paint that in paint and then the rest could be other smaller shorter walls could then be the wallpaper that could be really nice But I wouldn't do it the other way around I wouldn't have the great big wall with the wallpaper on and then the others in paint because then you've basically created

What I think is a bit of a naff wallpaper right feature wall. Okay. Oh, no, you don't like a feature wall No, I don't I just don't like feature walls. That's okay. Sorry. No feature walls. No glass splashbacks I just don't like feature walls. That's okay. Sorry. No feature walls, no glass splashbacks. No. Okay, one for you, my love. This one's from Claire.

I'm a Piscean and have recently moved from a house with a stream across the road to one with no water source nearby. I've now realized how important water is to me and I need a running water feature in my back garden. What are the main things I should consider when installing one and what kind of material should I use? Thank you. Ooh, what's your star sign Jojo?

I'm a Taurus. Alright, do you put any weight in that? I do put weight in my star sign actually, yes. I'm very into the stars and yes I truly, I am very very much my star sign. You love a star signer, I'm a Leo. I would have said you were a Leo. Does it show? It does. Yeah, thank you. It does. Right, so water features. Well, it totally depends what you want. So the one, probably the water feature we put in the most frequently would be

some kind of either bubbling pot or my absolute favourite. I love a bubbling pot. I love a bubbling pot, but even more, I love an old reclaimed stone trough with a water spout that comes out of the wall. That is bliss, but it doesn't always go, it depends on the garden. The main thing you need to think about is maintenance. So what I would say to every client before they put in a water feature in is,

these are glitchy, like water features break. They just do, they require some maintenance. You need to look after them. So they are, if you want a low maintenance garden, don't put a water feature in. But given you absolutely do, then the simplest option is to do something like, actually funny enough, it's from Pots and Pithoi Jojo,

the one that you said you liked a couple of weeks ago. Lovely, big sort of ripply terracotta pot with the water that bubbles over and the thing you need to remember with that is you're not putting it on the floor you're putting the pot on a big reservoir kind of like a big plastic tub because the water obviously needs to be held in that tub for it to recirculate and you have to hide that reservoir so it usually comes with like a grate on top and then you have to basically put pebbles or rocks on top of it. So just consider if that's an aesthetic you want.

So that's the sort of downside of it. The other downside is you have to decommission them in winter. So have a consider if that's something you're happy with because obviously it's terracotta, you don't want water expanding and contracting in that in winter. So that's option one. Option two is doing something like a wall spout one which I absolutely love and again that's going to just be a pump which is going to circulate the water around. What I would say I try and avoid stagnant water like still water if you don't have anything

moving it around then it's going to go green and sort of attract things you don't want it to attract. So there's not loads to consider other than obviously how it's going to function. So you're going to need power to it and you're going to need to look after it. I mean you could go the way of really cool things like rills. I don't know what size your garden is. A rill being a sort of channel of water that runs through the garden. I'm obsessed with them. They're amazing. Love that. Love that noise. Or if you're really tight on space, then you could just have something I'm gonna do here,

which is just, I'm having a really big bowl made by Torque Pots, and I'm just gonna put a little bubbler in it, and it won't overflow, it will just bubble, and the water will stay within it, because it's great for wildlife, but also white noise. So you can go as simple or as complicated as you want. FanDuel Casino's exclusive live dealer studio

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They are known for being determined, persevering and having a strong work ethic. They are said to enjoy luxury and comfort. That's about right. They are said to be loyal and value consistency, stability and kindness. There you go. I'd say those are quite true. Yeah, I think that would be true. I'll take that. Yeah, all right, I'll take that. I'm sure there are some nasty traits in there, but we won't read those. I don't want to hear them today. Only good stuff here. No, no. Let's have a positive day, shall we? Yes. Okay, well on that note, what's in, what's out? I'll tell you what's in for me. What? I managed to get away for a couple of days with my love

and we went to the pig. Oh, amazing. Yeah, guys, I'm going to unleash this on you properly, but my gosh gosh that place is special It is just I didn't want to leave Too much to come back to but oh my gosh. How was the food? How's it get just so good they just get it so right well done pig bravo. Oh bravo Bravo pig

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Little truffle pigs. I like that. Trufflers. Little truffleers. What is in for you, my darling? What is in is the paving in my garden. Oh. Yeah, baby.

We need to see a photo of that. Can you please share a photo of that? I will. The boys at Landcraft have been busying away. I feel this weird sense of smug satisfaction that it will be, you know, the weather's gonna change and like it will be ready. And now I need to worry about furniture.

And again, it's Sophie's choice, choosing the furniture for the garden. Cause like, yeah, there's so many options. So that's my in. Ha ha, yay. How exciting. Good, photos please. Oh my God, I've got an out.

I have an out. This is outrageous. Apparently, I guess it's more of an in than an out, but out, the sort of big eyebrows that's been going, going, doing the thing for a while in, apparently the youngins are going back to the skinny eyebrows, you know, the 90s, the 90s pencil brows. Next it will be... Don't touch those eyebrows, girls, you're going to regret it.

It is funny though, because you see these kids walking around and they literally wear what we would wear in the 90s apart from they've got fluffy brows, but they've got the sort of unwashed hair, the baggy sort of wide, you know, the high jeans, the belly top, belly's out. And it's all, they are carbon copies of each other, these kids. They are like North Face black jackets, baggy jeans, 80s trainers. They all look identical to each other. They're going to have skinny eyebrows soon. And skinny brows. But do you think, do you think though, they're going to do the whole hair scrape back

and then the two bits of hair pulled down at the front? Do you remember? Like that? I've seen Hayley Bieber doing that sort of vibe. So yeah, probably. Oh my gosh, that was such a vibe wasn't it? So out is apparently like brows, but I know she's My brows are staying intact. Thank you. No, no, but the older I get the more I have to pencil mine on actually So I just have to kind of keep filling them in

Do we just lose our brows as we go older? Is that another thing that we've got to look forward to? Well, I had mine microbladed, which was really good at the time, but now they've kind of smudged out. So I've got this sort of half way house. Is that where they slightly tattoo them on? Yeah. Oh, is that good, is it?

Well, it was, and then it wears off. And then much like any tattoo, it kind of blurs. And then you've got sort of smudgy eyebrows all the time, which I don't love. So I actually regret the microplating now. I wish I hadn't done it. I'd like, I mean, mine sort of feel like the older I'm getting, they're slipping further down my head.

So I'm wondering if I could just shave them off and then put them up a bit higher to make me look a bit more like I'm not falling asleep or really pissed off at all times. Oh, God. Right, on that note, on that note. On that note, don't forget to like, subscribe, share, share with your friends, share with all and sundry and see you next week.

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Take our posh old asses off and do some work. We might be posh, but we are nice, so that counts for something. I was gonna say it's like, I thought it was posh and something, but it's actually tart with a heart. I was thinking it's nothing to do with being posh. I think we're both tarts with hearts, and on that note, let's go.

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