The Ins & Outs - Grief, loft extensions and naked gardening

Episode Date: March 17, 2026

In this episode we tackle your questions, covering dog-friendly planting, attic wallpaper, and the debate between loft conversions and garden rooms. Jojo shares an emotional update on her first year of grief and some big renovation news, while Polly reveals her latest beauty adventure.This week's episode is sponsored by Gravetye Manor, a historic country house hotel in West Sussex, with a Michelin-starred restaurant and one of the most beautiful gardens in England. Listeners who book dinner, bed, and breakfast at Gravetye Manor on select dates in April 2026 can enjoy a complimentary garden tour (usually worth £30 per person) by quoting InsandOuts, at the time of booking. The tour is led by a senior member of the gardening team and is available at 11am on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays (excluding Bank Holidays) and can be enjoyed at the beginning or end of the stay, depending on when you book. No cash alternative and management's decision is final. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Green, the color of true elation. Daisy, I've been waiting for you, waiting for you. Welcome to this week's episode of The Inns and Out with myself Polly Wilkinson. And myself, JoJo Barr. In this week's episode, we are talking lofts, attics, garden rooms. We're talking grief, dog-friendly plants and what we are injecting in our faces. And this week, we are sponsored by the absolutely glorious Gravet Thai Manor. If you're not familiar with it, it's one of England's most.

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Anyone that books dinner, bed and breakfast at Gravetown, select dates in April can enjoy a complimentary garden tour by quoting ins and outs at the time of booking. And I'll put all the info for that in the show notes. So thank you so very much. much Gravetai, you absolute superstars. Do you know what? I've had a look on their website. They were built. It was built in 1598. So it's reaped in history. And they've got their main city. The house is stuck. I'm a real fan of original wood panelling. And of course, I love, I just love a manor house. But it's got this amazing sort of panel detail all over the ceiling and the walls. So I'm looking forward to checking out the interiors. Thank you, Gravetai Manor.

Hello, sweetness. Hello. How are you? I'm good, my darling. It's lovely to see you on this fine Tuesday. I know. Happy Tuesday to you. Happy Tuesday. That's it. Are you going or am I going? You go first. I want to know all about what you've been up to. Tell me, how are you? That was so funny. It was almost like, I was just like, well, there we are. Good day to do. What's been going on? I'm well. Peak excitement here is that Colin is going to rebuild me, our raised veg beds.

Insofar as a little bit of background, we're borrowing some neighbours land. So all of the area where I've got all of my sort of cut flowers, vegetables, the chickens is borrowed. And therefore there's no point sort of investing and doing it properly because at any point it could be taken away from us. He's kind of said like if at any point I want it back, you have to leave. So there's this sort of feeling of like don't overcom it because it would be so hard. breaking. But equally, it's bumming me out. I want some nicer, more attractive beds. So he's going to build me some lovely, beautiful, sleepery type ones. Can we, can we ask for some videos on this poll? Because I feel like there are so many people that want to know how to do this, myself included. Obviously, I'm going to start this little veg patch down in the paddock.

And even my school, WhatsApp went out on the group saying that they're going to do some veg beds at the school. And I think everyone, it's such a, I think more and more people want to do them. and I think you want to know, is it easy? How much essentially do you need to put aside for materials and all that jazz? So it would be so good to get a little bit of a, yeah. Yeah, you got it. I mean, you can do no dig. You don't actually have to build them.

I started with no dig. It's just I actually want them higher. Yeah. It's more the fact that it's just all the, like should you put gravel down first? Which I see everyone do it. No. But then how do you stop? Yeah, because it stops all the slugs and stuff getting in, isn't it?

Oh, we've got a lot to cover here. Oh, gosh. In terms of ultimately, you can make vegetable beds and cut fly beds by quite literally putting some cardboard down. And the trick is with the cardboard, take the tape off it first because that's a big mistake. Yeah, but then if I did that down in the paddock, it's going to just look like a total, like... Dog's dinner. A dog's dinner and it's going to be covered in slugs in about three seconds. So the raised beds obviously...

Well, oddly enough, you'll actually get more slugs in a raised bed because the raised bed essentially creates a little sort of home for them to hide in. the timber in the corners, the nooks and the crannies. Is that why it's, I wonder if that's why people do, when you see these amazing veg beds, raised veg beds, and it's always like this pathways of gravel. And I'm wondering if it's because it stops the slugs and snails because they're, you know. Not particularly. It's usually because it's an absolute bitch to mow in between them.

So that takes out lawn. Takes out lawn. And your alternatives are bark, which is what I've got. Because again, why would I do anything else on sort of borrowed land? Well, you're also weeding. It's a weed suppressant. Yeah. So, I mean, the gravel's a weed suppressant. It's sort of, that's the most polished finish is gravel.

But the downside of gravel is every time you pull out some carrots or something, you're just going to scatter earth all over it. So there are pros and cons to each thing between it. But I will share some information. Please share away. We want to know everything. So we're doing that. So that's the peak excitement here.

That's exciting. And other than that, my aura ring is pretty unhappy with me. Oh, is it? I've got the, I've got the charioter. Look, I have my oaring back on. Thanks so much. Do you know what? I will massively say that the one thing about this oaring is that I love is that when I'm feeling like, oh my God, I'm really burning out, at least I know that my sleep is like I'm an epic sleeper. I, that's one thing. Are you? I am an epic so I could win championships for my sleep. Yeah. How much sleep do you get? I hate this is entirely boring. You get eight hours. I'm an eight hour. I get like six hours 40 now. I didn't. I used to. to sleep like a champion and now I find it hard to fall asleep, hard to stay asleep and I seem to be waking with the birds. And so my aura is just like, your sleep debt is two hours. Your sleep debt is three hours. And I can't nap, mate. I've tried to do naps. And my brain will not

too busy. Yes, too busy to slow down. But my aura ring is telling me off and just being like, you're stressed. Do you know, have you ever done this thing? Like, you know, when you, so you know, we're supposed to rest our nervous system throughout the day and they say, so you have to, you know, you don't realize it, but you carry so much tension in your shoulders and your brain, your head and everything. Everything's quite like, if you actually, like, put your hands down by your side and properly, like, like, let it go, you can actually feel it's almost like a slight, it's like a body tingling. Honestly, like relax, just let every little tiny, let's all do it together. Let's do it now.

Please don't do this if you're driving. Okay. Don't do that. Obviously. Right. Sit, sit, sort of sit comfortably. But rest your arms, your legs and just let everything completely go. Am I closing my eyes?

Yeah, close your eyes. Okay. And then just let it. You can almost feel this slight sort of tingling on the skin. Leaving your body. You almost feel it drained from your head. You should feel that. Let your shoulders drop everything go.

I should feel it. And deep breathing. And you honestly do that a few times a day. That's what you're auraing wants you to do because that's allowing your nervous system to completely relax and I love it. I do love it. I do love my awry. Me too. Are you still doing your bouncing?

Am I fuck? I bounced about three times and really wet myself and then gave up. It's such a nice idea all these things. It's like anything. It's like dry brushing. I was like I looked at my dry brush in the shower this morning. I was like, yeah, right. Like I'm going to stand in the cold and rub myself with that thing. Of course I'm not. Like, all these things are such a bloody fad, aren't they? We are feeling better there? Are you feeling a bit about chirpia this week, pal? I am feeling a bit of a bitch. I think I feel chirpier as the days get longer and lighter.

Yeah, me too. And it's sort of my mood correlates with that. Dude, one thing we've not touched on, which loads of Inis and outies have asked about, how are you feeling? I can't believe, you lost your dad nearly a year ago now, right? So my dear pops died on Easter Sunday. So it's coming up very soon. It's so lovely to hear because people are always checking in with me

to sort of say, ask how I'm doing with dad. And I actually was talking to my. sister about this recently in that when I'm feeling the grief in a negative sense, I try and turn it into, I think of all the things I loved about him and I think about the positive, I sort of, I almost smile when I think of him and it immediately turns it from a sort of grief into a gratitude. And I, okay, so here's a funny thing. So as you all know, I've got Dad's Tree in my paddock and in the field. And I, I, it's my place that I feel. the closest to him and I feel his presence with me there. For my sister who lives over near

you, Paul, in Surrey, when Dad passed away, he always wanted to be buried under an oak tree in a cardboard box and we found this amazing place. I'm going to give them a massive shout out called Clandum Wood and it's a natural burial ground where you can literally be buried in this wildflower meadow. And so he's buried under this oak tree where he wanted to be. And because it's that not sure. In a cardboard box? In a cardboard box. Is that a thing? It's a thing because it's biodegradable. So to be buried in a natural burial ground, you have to be in a sort of wicker basket or a cardboard box or something like that. By the way, it's not actually literally like an Amazon box.

It's actually, it's quite lined and it's very solid, but it's essentially cardboard. And actually it's really funny because on the day of my dad's funeral, it absolutely chitted down with rain. And we were outside with him and all the umbrellas were going inside out. And everyone was really worried that the cardboard box would just disintegrate and there would be dad lying in this box. And it was actually quite a sort of comedy moment where everyone was sort of laughing about it, which my dad would have really enjoyed. but digress. Where this natural barrier ground is. It happens to be five minutes from one of our sites.

I didn't know because it's in the Surrey Hills, which is all very meandering and obviously hilly. I didn't know one day I was literally, when we very first took the project on, not that long ago, I was driving back home and I literally passed a sign that said Clandam Woods, and I was like, hold on a set,

I can't be that close. And then I saw that it was literally there. And I was like, oh my God. So the first two times I drove past, I sort of got a bit emotional, thinking that he was there, but I hadn't seen him. And I thought, it's a bit like driving past a graveyard and not going to visit. I don't know if it felt a bit odd.

So I was driving him the other day and I called Brad and I said, do you mind picking up the kids are going to go and see Dad? And he was like, of course. And I drove and it was a beautiful day. The sun came out. And I parked in the car park and immediately felt quite emotional. And I walked through this beautiful meadow. And of course, because it's starting to brighten up and things are stuck to the daffodils

route. And I just went and sat next to Dad. And I literally put my hand on him. And he had all these little oak leaves. that had fallen from the tree all over him. And I just sat with him and had a little sort of cry in a chat. And it was so comforting. I didn't realize I would feel so much comfort in being there.

But I guess it's just, it's a funny all thing because it's almost like time goes on and life goes on. And especially I think when you're a parent yourself, I'm very fortunate that I've had girls that knew my dad. And therefore I feel like they kind of carrying on the memory of him. So I try and honestly, I try and look at his passing, his, in the most positive sense. That's my way that I get through. I miss him desperately and God there's so many times. I actually, I listened to his, I don't know for anyone that's ever going through the loss of a

parent or a loved one. I cannot recommend enough. And it sounds like it's like, it sounds a bit weird when you're doing it like, but because it's just sort of they're doing it, you're doing it without knowing. But I would put my voice recorder on and I would put my phone next to him without him knowing it was on and I would just record our conversations when he was dying but obviously we're having quite meaningful conversations of course and obviously even it was like I think it was even like the day before he died I put the phone beside him and picked up this conversation we're having where he said he put his hand on my face and he said you're so dynamic and I know he'd never said to me before ever and I even had to go and look what that meant because it's anything he said

was able to say to me and just I I've got his voice and I've got his his the way he'd like cough and the way he'd say things. And I can't recommend to anyone enough. If you're going through this journey, capture their voice because that's what you miss more than anything is hearing their voice. Can I tell you something quite interesting then? I'm really interested to hear your reaction to this and actually Colin was telling me about it. Is it a new TV show out about AI? And in it, someone has invented a service which will AI your loved ones that have passed and you can phone them. Oh my God. and talk to them.

Oh my God. And I was like, God, this is, and really interestingly, on the one hand, my initial reaction was like, no, no, no, no. But equally, and weirdly, the company isn't that successful yet, but my God, I think it would be. But how do you, but how many people say, I just wish I could hear their voice again? You want to hear their voice. It's a real, like, it's a real thing. And I guess, obviously for our parents' generation who weren't necessarily quite so online, that wouldn't be possible. But going forward, anyone who's got anything online.

Now, you and I, think of our voices. Yeah, it's so true. Terrifyingly, you could completely copy ours. But I sort of thought, if I, if something happened to me, I would want my boys to be able to do that. Obviously, I never, you never want it to be unhealthy. It's, I honestly, thinking about it, I think that's actually a really lovely idea. Because I think it's that, it's the longing of, like, all sometimes you want to do. Like, whenever I drive out my road and I see Dad's Tree, I always,

go, morning, daddy. And I imagine him saying, hello, Chuck, or morning Chuck. I imagine it. Or hey, piglet, I imagine him saying it back to me. I can imagine his voice. And that's what makes me smile because I just want to. So it's not a big conversation. It's not like you want to have a big conversation with him.

You just want to hear those sort of like, how are you doing, Chuck? I've got voicemails saved still that are just like, hey, Chuck, it's really funny. Because we weren't a religious family at all. But he would always say God bless at the end of his messages, which is a really funny thing. He'd go, hello. it's your father and then at the end of the message you always say God bless and it's little things like that you just want to hear them say one more time you're like or I can't get the printer to work darling I don't told you can help me out and that's all you want to hear like and it's

it's the little things I think you miss so a hundred percent yeah but we're very lucky I think I told you I got one of these um TV screen things for my mom where we now upload photos remotely so she doesn't every time you know a photo pops off my phone and for a memory I just upload it to this screen and it'll be in her kitchen and then she'll see it so these photos. just keep scrolling. That's a really nice thing to do as well for anyone. That's lovely. But are you doing okay?

Yeah, honestly, like, absolutely fine. Like, I really am. Like, for anyone that's about to go on the journey and you think you're never going to get through it and it's like the worst thing in the world. And I am going to give a shout out to Brad because Brad's running the London Marathon in memory of dad for pancreatic cancer.

And I think they're making real shapes in pancreatic cancer and, like, you know, in testing and stuff. But he's running the London Marathon. So I'm going to be really cheeky and share if they don't mind his page for anyone that might be like to do a little donation for my lovely dad. But thanks for asking my love and thanks to everyone who ever asks because it means more than you know, it means the world. So thank you. Well, on that, should we ask some questions? Answer some questions. I'll ask some. You answer them.

And then you ask someone and I'll answer them. How that. Is that how this works? That's how this works. All right, my darling. Can I ask you this one? Yes. Because I feel like you might have had this before, but I'm going to ask, because it's funny how people ask these questions. And I'm always curious to know your response. Any dog-friendly planting ideas feels like everything is toxic. I mean, everything is toxic. I mean, okay, so my question whenever we're asked this is always, is it because you're like, it does depend on your dog.

Because so much in life is toxic to dogs. And when I get people going, well, it's not safe for dogs. You're just like, well, life isn't safe for dogs. They seem to do okay. Yeah. So my usual approach is the same with toddlers and kids. It's just like, look, if you want, you can curate your entire garden to not have anything toxic in it. But then they're going to go out elsewhere as in Christmas trees, toxic to dogs.

Daffodils toxic to dogs. Pretty much all bulbs toxic to dogs. U-hedging. It's literally everywhere. These things are everywhere and dogs tend to be okay. That said, there is always a story of, well, I'm. know a dog that ate you berries and I know. So I'm complete. So I completely agree with you. It's like sometimes I have like some, I don't know, some lilies in my house. And then suddenly I'll get

messages from people being like, be really careful because they're toxic to cats. And I'm like, yes. And my cats aren't going to lick the pollen. And if they do, well, that's really unfortunate. You cannot live your life, a bit like being a parent. You can't helicopter around your kids making sure they don't fall over every five seconds. So you've got to let them fall over. like obviously you don't want to put anything that's you know like you wouldn't put them into a pit of snakes of course you're not but like it's everyday life you've got to expect that they're going to come into contact with things i don't think yeah it's it's helicopter parenting helicopter dog that's my opinion but you know to each their own i had dogs so i was a dog mum and i didn't even

honestly didn't even think about these things basil our office dog rosy's dog who is a wirehaired dachshund, he devoured two sanitary pads out of the bin, joyful, and poor Rosie had to take him to the vets the other day to have his, you know, to have to induce vomiting.

I mean, what are you going to do? It's chocolate as well, isn't it? Like, dogs are going to eat, they are occasionally going to eat things. Like, that in itself is kind of toxic. Much more unsavory things than a plant as well. But if you were, if we have got a helicopter dog parent,

what would you suggest that dog friend friendly planting ideas. I mean, there are loads of plants which are safe to dogs. So, oh my gosh. I mean, essentially, I'm just going to work my way through a long list now. But, I mean, one of my favorites, Napita is completely safe. I mean, the list is so long. This is quite hard for me to just randomly give you on.

Maybe Google it. So basically, grasses are really dog safe as well. So you've got like steeper tenuissima and miscanthus. Hacanacloa, those are all fine. Pestermans are fine. salvias are fine, roses are fine. So, I mean, the list of dog safe plants is very long. Interestingly, if you go on to the likes of crocus or the RHS,

it will tell you if things are toxic. So what I would say is, you know, I could literally sit here and read you a diary of every single dog safe plant. It would take too long, and I think I might lose you guys. But essentially, just take it with the pints of salt. I know that you is one which people get very worried about, and it's the berries more than the foliage, because I've never met a dog that's sat there and chewed through a hedge.

But, you know, if you've got a completely insane dog and it really does eat everything, and I know they are out there, then check the RHS website and it will tell you. But I think, as with all things, just make an informed decision. I think it depends on the character of your animal, most of all. Thanks, Paul. I mean, if you want to check certain resources, you can go on the dogs trust and they've got a list of things which are dog friendly and also Battersea Dogs Home. They've got a whole list of toxic plants as well.

So you can really do your homework and check what is and what isn't, and then you can make an informed decision. But I would like to formally say the ins and outs, do you not take any responsibility for any plants in your garden that may or may not be toxic to cats, dogs, animals, and indeed yourselves. What I would say is naked gardening day is coming up. Oh, is it? Yes, I can never remember one.

It's sort of when the sun comes out. Just be careful of those bits. Just be careful of the prickles. Careful of the prickles and the euphobia sap and, you know, so. Okay, you're leaning in. Be mindful of that. Absolutely not. I was going to see all your neighbours will know now.

We'll all be out there with our binoculars. I have got a question, which is, I have a very low ceiling in a vaulted attic room. Will wallpapering all over make it feel claustrophobic? Very good question. I'm of the mind that when you're in a low, bolted room in the eaves, lean in to it being,

I love saying lean in. You notice I say that a lot. Lean in. Lean into it. It's all about how we do, how we treat this, right? So it can either feel really beautifully cocooning and whimsical and slightly playful, or it can feel slightly claustrophobic.

And I think it depends on the pattern and the colour and the light and actually how much ceiling height you have. Because there's limited ceiling height and then there's really limited ceiling height where you're actually literally bending down. I wouldn't do in there. I think if it's a proper room, I would say all over wallpaper works beautifully. I've done it in my cottage and I've got very limited ceiling height in there and I've done a wallpaper all over. I think the pattern wants to be soft and small scale.

So little delicate florals, subtle textures. That could be lovely because it slightly blurs the edges. What you've got to remember is when you're in a room that's got very low ceilings, imagine you're standing at the end of the room and the ceilings are almost sort of just above your eye height. When you're looking at that ceiling, all the pattern is going to blur together. So you've got to think that that pattern, you're not going to see it unless you turn sideways and are looking directly at it. So I would say keep the patterns, sort of keep it soft neutrals, warm whites. Don't go anything really heavy because you're going to pull the walls in

and make it even more enveloping. I love it. But I think don't go dark, don't go high contrast, don't do like really big patterns, like large-scale patterns and two bold. Go ditsy. Go ditsy and cute, I would say. And also the other great thing about doing ditsy and cute, usually in an eaves or in a loft bedroom,

you tend to have angles that meet each other on sort of awkward slopes. Right. The great thing is about little pattern repeats is that it doesn't matter. You don't notice of a little floral being cut in half and it's joining like on a cup. Whereas if you've got a big pattern of say a monkey and then you know, you're sort of cutting the monkey's head off to meet the monkey's bum. You know what I mean? That's a pattern repeat. That's going to look wild. So there you go. So go, yeah, go soft and cutesy. Okay, amazing.

But yes, I love it. Onwards. Onwards and upwards. Oh, you're going to like this one then, Paul. following on from my question, Claire is asking, loft conversion versus garden room. So this is where I'm going to put my gloves on. Ooh. Does she mean, I guess it's like, what are you using it?

Is it because? No, I think it's probably funds-wise. Funds, yeah. Funds, yeah. Funds, yeah. Which are you choosing? I mean, I'm going to say it's going to be more expensive to do a loft conversion than it would a garden room. But given the choice, I would say, look, let me be super-comversion.

clear about things. We put a lot of things into gardens, but I would much rather we didn't. I would much rather they were more garden and less every bell and whistle. So if you can, if the loft is such that you can convert it and make that useful for you and don't need to put a building in your garden, I would 100% do that. Because as soon as we put a building in your garden, it changes the dynamic, it changes the vibe, it changes the view. So I completely understand, and I have one. A garden room is useful. If you've got teenagers that you're, you want to boot them out into or it's a gym or an office and you want to be separate to the house. I get it. I understand why it's necessary. But if whatever the room is going to be, could be,

you know, if it was an office and you're happy to have it upstairs, I would, if you don't have to give away garden real estate to a building, I wouldn't. Okay. And also, that's my guy. I mean, what's you, what do you think, Jo, Jo? Well, from what I understand, I could be wrong, estate agents come at me. From what I understand, if you're putting footprint on your existing house, you're increasing the value because you're essentially adding a bedroom. Got it. A garden room, you're not actually adding value as much value to the house. You definitely are adding value.

You are adding value. But probably not as much as doing it in the house, I would have said. Exactly. But then I do also the cost of doing a loft extension is going to be a lot more than doing a garden room. Do you think? Yes. Well, it depends on the garden room. You're essentially building it.

You're taking the roof off. You're literally building like a whole new floor. therefore it's staircase floor, plumbing, everything. It's more planning. I think it depends what it's going to be for, isn't it? Because obviously if it's, if for example, okay, so what a garden room is usually for? A gym. In which case you're not going to want that in the loft.

I wouldn't have thought. That's, you know, because like how are you going to get a treadmill up there? If it's an office, pros and cons, nice because, you know, you're near a bathroom and near your kitchen or whatever, but less nice because you're very in the house. And sometimes you want to be a bit further away. teenage hangout den then i can think that actually i'd rather it was in the garden and slightly removed um so that they just have a bit of space and privacy so it does depend on what you're using it for doesn't it well it takes up garden space it's it's less disrupt so you wouldn't

you wouldn't stick a guest necessarily out there would you you wouldn't because you'd want them to be not unless it was more like your cottage and it's sort of a fully plumbed situation but the thing with the garden room is you know if you want to have a loo and a bathroom and all of that you need planning because you've got to prove that it's not going to be used as a kind of domicile. Well, garden room, what, 15 to 40,000, would you say about that? Absolutely not. No, way more. As in an insulated room with electrics, 30,000 plus.

Oh, so I said 15 to 40. I would say 30 to 100 would be more accurate for an outbuilding. Okay, so loft extension. I think you're talking more like 100 plus. Right. Okay. Yeah. I would say 30,000 is probably entry level for, for like a proper incident.

Because they all start. They go, I was starting at 20, but that's for a box with no floor and no heating and no electric. And you're talking about like a little, you want like a toilet, like plumbing and. No, not with a loo. But it's, again, it's all down to spec. But nothing is cheap anymore. Nothing, you know, it's all that. What I find so interesting about gardens, about hazards, is everything.

I think we're all sort of working on off a slightly outdated playbook. And certainly when we see tenders, that's the case of, oh, it used, you know, an outbuilding used to be 20,000 or 15,000. You're like, yeah, I've been pre-COVID. Everything went to shit after COVID. And everything is so expensive. So I think it totally depends on the use. And I would just say with your garden,

don't rush to hand footprint over to buildings if you don't have to. Okay. Good. Yeah. I like that question. That was fun. It was a little bit of like a, I enjoyed that. That was juicy.

The iny and out. It was a juicy one. Okay, my love, that leads me to ask you, what is in? And what is out this week? week. In for me, I've just had something called Sculptra. Have you heard of Sculptra? I have heard of Sculptra. Tell me everything. I mean, it remains to be seen if it works because it's one of those ones where it's like, oh, you have to have it once. And then in six, you'll notice it in like three months time and then you have to have it a couple of times. Basically, it's, you get it

injected into your face and it's a biostimulator. Actually, quite interestingly, it was first, it's been around for ages because it was developed for, um, people who had HIV and had that really hollowing of the face. And it was invented to try and sort of bulk back their face. And it's a biostimulator that stimulates collagen production. So basically where it's injected, eventually your body starts creating collagen. In theory, there's loads of people that say it's great. There's just as many people that say it's not on TikTok.

Don't go looking at it on TikTok. But essentially, it was like a little cannula, which I didn't really enjoy, being injected into my face and my jowls. and then it looks banging when you first do it because of the sort of fluid and you're like ooh! And then after three days of massaging your face it goes down and you're like, oh, it's not done anything.

But it's not meant to. It's a slow burn because it's sort of your actual face rebuilding its collagen rather than, it's not a filler. You know how a filler is like instant. No, no, no, no, it's not that. It's stimulating your body to make its own collagen. But you've got to go back after six weeks and do it again. We'll see.

All right. I don't know. Oh, I want to know. Worth a shot. I mean, I'm all for little, you know, little perks now, now that I'm still Tweetaroos. Look at my forehead actually fully. I look, fully moves.

My eyebrows actually lift up. Look at that. You look shocked. This is me shock now. Cannot move. It's a little bit too phrasing. It'll ease off in a couple of weeks. What about you? What's in for me at the moment is dates.

I can't stop eating. With Brad? Oh, no. Okay, fine. Date. No, sadly not. No. Dates.

No, those things are a thing in the past. dates. So I get these really squidgy medial dates, like the really lovely squidgy ones. And I put peanut butter in them. Got it. And then sprinkling of salt, put them in the freezer. Stop it. Stop it. Seriously. How long do you leave them in the freezer for? Definitely. The things you like. And then you just pull one out when you want a little snack. They are so delicious. I know lots of people are going to be like, put some dark chocolate on there.

But I quite like just the sweetness of the date with the peanut butter. It goes really, it goes really, like, chewy. Is it kind of like a Snickers bar? Kind of like that, yeah. But it is the sprinkling of the little mould and salt, which is really quite, quite good. Nice. But dates are just, they're such a great, they're such a great snack. They're really, really delish.

That's a good tip. I'm going to try that this week. Yeah, honestly. And you just get a little cardboard box and, you know, a little. Is it like a medule date? Make sure you get the midjools. You know, the Palestinian Majul dates, they're the best. Got it.

And they're really, because they're really lovely and squidgey. So for me, dates are in dates are life and out you've gone out for me what's out is soon to be me and my family moving out of this house because we are i thought you were going to say you were moving to duby like all those influences tell me more i think it's the opposite now i think i think no no i know now i know now everyone's like oh my god i can't move to dark dub die anymore you're moving out into the cottage yes and yeah that's still i just don't know how we're going to live there i'll be honest but we are moving out yeah Has it got? How many bedrooms has it got? We've had it all approved. Planning hasn't been approved, but we're doing all the other stuff and then hopefully planning comes in, which is a bit risky business. But I am, I'm so excited. I can't believe it's finally happening.

A little Renault journey. I feel like we've handed the baton over there. Oh my God, it's starting, guys. And of course, I've obviously shared my little cottage now on my documentary, so you can all go see what my little cottage looks like, which is a dream. Yeah, it's just really exciting. Things are happening at last. So I'm loving it. Loving it. How exciting. That is exciting. Yeah, I am dreading. I'm sort of slightly dreading the renovation. I have to say I was talking to someone about this the other day. I emailed a couple of clients just sort of mid-progress just to say, because it's really, I don't know if you noticed this, pal, when you're working with clients.

At the beginning, it's all like, oh, it's exciting. I can't wait. And everything's like, you know, great, go, great. And then you hit the sort of middle of the renovation that you can almost sense a slight crabbiness. They start to get irritable. Oh, they get really pissed off with you halfway through the bill. You almost feel like this suddenly don't like you, even though you feel like you're going to go the backwards and doing absolutely everything for them.

But you sort of get this, like, edge off them. And you're like, I know that we keep asking you for money. And I know that you're not really seeing a lot happening. But we're in this kind of just this stage of like, you know, like with us, we are. Every time. It's a graft. But they don't see what you necessarily up to you. So I send out a little emails just saying, just checking in to make sure, you know, you're doing okay.

And you're basically what happens is at this stage is that you hit this mid-renovation fatigue where you just get really fucking over it. You hate everyone. You just want your house back. You're thinking you're regretting everything. You can't see it happen yet. You can't see it looking lovely. Everything just looks a bit of a mess. It's in that. It's the childbirth phase when you, you know, when you just want to die. Yeah, that's about right. But you know, that means it's nearly going to get good. That's the one. Yeah. That is literally where you're at. Good times. Yeah. And then as soon as start to sort of paint, start to go on the walls and you can start to see it becoming like actually taking form, then then you pick up steam again.

Life is worth living again. And I know that's going to happen. Sighting. What's out for you, darling? Well, much more meaningful than your absolute touch is I want to just have a brief whinge about mini-egs. Oh, God, you're your bloody mini-eggs? No, I'm just really upset. Go on.

They're fucking expensive. Could we just talk about expensive they are? Well, there's that. I think it's un-examination. But it's more chocolate tastes like dog shit now. And I'm not literally. But, like, I'm not sure if it's one age in so far as am I turning into a dark chocolate person. I don't want to be a dark chocolate person.

But two, it's all fucking Cadbury's. What the hell have they done? I'm sorry, but it's just palm. They've lost their royal crest, which tells you something. It's all palm oil now. They're not supporting British farmers by actually using milk in their Cadbury's dairy milk. And I'm just pissed off about it because I liked it how it was. And they're just trying to save money and they're ruining the planet with all of their palm oil.

And I just want some nice chocolate. I'm going to buy Tonys instead. And I'm just very unhappy about it because mini eggs used to be amazing. And actually now they taste really. sort of like sweet in a different way. And I think they've got like now when I eat cabarees, I find I get this kind of like film, this plasticy layer. Do you get that filmy taste on your tongue?

That's the palm oil. Yeah, it's not good. It's not good. And I don't want to be giving that to my kids. Sorry. It's just shit. I'm sad. They shouldn't be allowed to do it.

God, we should we start a new podcast where we just whinge about the state of the nation and the way the world is going? Little bit, little bit. Anyway, with that, don't forget to like, subscribe. we love you very much see you next week do share it with Cadbury's sort it out Cabrries

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