The Ins & Outs - Inside Colour

Episode Date: October 3, 2023

We discuss everything you need to know about colour when it comes to inside your home. What colours should you avoid, what colours make you hungry, what colours help you concentrate and even what colours make you aroused!Next week we’re going talk all things colour in your garden. How do you make you garden colourful all year round?! Make sure you’ve subscribed so you don’t miss out! If you have any questions for us, DM us on instagram @the_insandouts_InstagramJojo - @houseninedesignPolly - @pollyanna_wilkinsonWebsitesJojo - https://www.housenine.co.uk/Polly - https://www.pollyannawilkinson.com/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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why Polly got a rash of her orange fluffy headboard as a kid oh my friend it's she's in the thick of it did you find that after coming back from sort of school holiday madness that when you actually put the kids back in school now you're back into like what a month of work but are you actually feeling more calm and in control of yourself you're always in control yes I mean sweet relief of like the routine but um I've missed that routine yeah but then also you're back at the desk there's no excuses there there's no sort of kids in back so um pros and cons how about you pal what's going down life's pretty good actually we've moved to a new office same building but different we needed a bigger studio but we also needed an office for all the boxes and the

crap that comes in on the daily and the two together was just not harmonious so I think I've realized over the course of time that I'm a bit of a control freak. I've always known that. I am. And I like to walk in, I like things to be just so and actually I really believe that in a studio, you need, like a creative studio,

you need a clear head, you need clear space, you need no clutter. I don't like to see boxes and things piled up everywhere. And the team were thrilled about it they love it I think we all love it so one room is full of boxes and crap and the other is like our lovely design studio that's I'm so happy I love it I think there's a bit of a move

of people wanting to go back to offices so creating a beautiful work environment I think is so important now I think it's just I think people are wanting to go back to office spaces I think after Covid everyone was so loving being at home and I think they didn't really want to go back to the office but I think it's now a boss's responsibility to try and make the office for their employees a nice place to go so any bosses listening sort your shit out and tidy up your office because your employees matter all right well let's let's dive right in okay speaking of offices let's go for office okay are there typical colors you use in offices as in if so let's say in offices you want to concentrate be focused maybe be inspired you probably don't want it to

be hectic so do you have a general rule for colors that work or does it vary depending on your profession well it varies depending on your profession it varies depending on how many windows you might have and the positioning in the house it might vary as well on how much you use the office if it's a small home office and you're popping in there just to write some emails you can have some fun with it you can put some wallpaper and go a bit moody but if it's actually an office that you're going to be working in every day you need to go light really you need to you need to it's somewhere that you need to feel like I said think about when you walk into a room, how it makes you feel. Now, with colour, if you were to paint that room, say, red.

Now, let's start with red. Red's a good place to start because it's the primary colour and it's usually top of the pack. How do you feel about red? I wouldn't use it on a... So here, let's... Okay, red is a fiery colour. It's a really deep, strong colour that evokes passion and it's very intense. So therefore you don't really want to use it all over the room, but you can bring it into cushions and artwork, for instance.

So I would tend to use it as an accent colour as opposed to everywhere. However, it depends if you're adding a hue or a tone or you're bringing a tone down because then you might want to use it, say, in a dining room. Red is a great colour for hunger. It evokes hunger. And I think I briefly spoke about this before in a previous episode when I talked about McDonald's. Yes. And the colour of the famous arches. McDonald's logo is red and yellow and red evokes hunger but yellow is a happy color

it's a it's a positive happy color but it's also a color that agitates so it can actually agitate you which is why if you think about those two colors together and they're all over the walls in mcdonald's you walk in makes you feel hungry without even realizing it your brain is going hunger hunger hunger like you weren't already hungry when you walked into McDonald's but you might end up getting a bit more you know I thought you know I might get those skinny fries too I might get that double cheeseburger and then the yellow is like I've got my burger I'm getting out of here because I feel a bit like oh I don't like this bright yellow color a lot of people I think think yellow is a sort of sunny happy it... It is. No, it generally is a really sunny, happy, fun colour. But because you've got on the colour wheel, you've got the spectrum of colours,

you go from being primary, which is like a bright yellow, strong, all the hue, bright yellow. And then as you sort of start to tone it down, it becomes softer and warmer and more liveable. So then you can use it almost anywhere really but if you're going to go with that big bold punchy yellow then it can actually agitate it's good it will it will actually start if you i mean scientifically they put people in rooms that are painted bright yellow and then a room sort of painted dark blue and rooms that are painted red and then they ask them questions on how did that make you feel you've just been sitting in that room for an hour how How do you feel?

And they did it with hundreds of people. Have you heard this about how they paint, I think it's prisons, prisons, jails? I don't know. The inside of like drunk bunks, like a bubblegum pink. Yes. And it calms them down. But if you leave them in there too long, it gets them angry again. Mm-hmm.

Fascinating. Well, it's the same with usually hospital wards are painted a very light blue or a very light green and the reason being is that those are clinical clean colors so they're thought to be fresh like minty they make you think so green is a good color for for instance bathrooms because they it makes you feel think of nature which makes you feel clean which which makes you feel fresh. So it's all of these, like, really scientific. So therefore, the way you use colour in your interiors

is mind-blowing, what you can do. Let's go back to the office, then. Let's go back to the office. Back to the office. Don't do it red, unless you want a sexy office. Unless you want a sexy office. Red is the sexiest colour to the office. Back to the office. Don't do it red unless you want a sexy office. You want a sexy office. Red is the sexiest colour in the spectrum. That's the reason, you know, the red light district is red.

It's a sexy colour. Sexy, sexy. But you wouldn't want to be around it too long. It's an uncomfortable colour. It's a, yeah. So offices, you want bright, airy light. Yes, but home offices, if you're not going to use them a lot, you could go like dark blue. Dark blue is the number one colour of concentration.

Blue is a concentration colour. So great for invoking intelligence and thought and conversation. Blue is a really good colour. But then you start to tone it down and it starts to get more light blue. And then it becomes a colour that you can use anywhere really, but it's still on the cool spectrum, so it still has a feeling of, you know, it's a cold colour. You don't tend to use it in, say, for instance, kitchens, blue.

I know loads of people do, but it's actually not a good colour for kitchens. It makes you eat a lot. Blue's a colour also that makes you eat a lot. You should put that in McDonald's. So, fine. They should put it at the door just at the door when you go past mcdonald's put some blue shades on oh no that would make you go in no hold on it's gonna make you eat what am i talking about i don't know anything about color

so home office yeah um where it's more about dealing with home stuff you can have a bit of fun go a bit darker patterns wallpapers but if you are one of the hundreds of thousands of us that now work at home as a result of a pandemic or flexible working then go lighter I would go if it's a home office and you're going to be in there a lot you want to position your desk if you can by a window so you're looking out go with a nice warm a warm white um nice big black framed picture frames and you put plants in there put green plants was that your tummy it was wasn't it was that bagel not enough that bagel wasn't enough that was my tummy a little birdie just told me that apparently the reason the red light district is red is for other reasons of when we think of sexual behavior it's actually because the red light covers up nasty red rashes

oh i could do with that that's fucking out paul that's a joke that's a joke too late it's out it's out in the open i heard it everyone else heard it did you all hear that polly got a rash i have no rashes polly got a rash she's rash free polly's got a rash but it was a good joke sorry mom no no no too far ain't no red light needed here lady i know what i'm buying you for Christmas. Come on, I couldn't resist that. Anyway, apparently that's why. Apparently the red light back in the day was used to disguise the red rashes that people had,

which actually... Should we take a break? That's disgusting. I mean, you don't want to scare off the punters with your nasty rash, do you? No. You want to disguise it because you want to keep the money coming in.

Oh, yeah. Get that red film out. money coming in oh yeah get that red light i got it bad today the rash is raging do we have a red light in here the red oh right okay moving on from the red. Where were we? Is there a podcast award? Because we're going to get it for talking about covering up syphilis rashes. Why is it syphilis? I don't know what that one does. Do you get a rash with syphilis? I've never had it. Is that the one that turns you crazy?

I don't know. I know that crabs actually... That is so fucking disgusting. Are we actually going down this route? Yeah. I think we should stop. We've covered offices. Now let's get into some of the rooms, which everyone has. fucking disgusting are we actually going down this route yeah I think we should stop we we've covered offices now let's get into some of the rooms which everyone has should we go kitchen

on kitchen when it comes to colors it's obviously you've got your kitchen itself then you've got the walls around it and the kitchen you can go for it with an accent color most people do accent I mean kitchens as well it's I feel like it's i think sadly kitchens are they kind of do go through a bit of a trend i was going to ask you about this because your kitchen trend uh much like velvet sofas and the colors of uh what maybe five years ago ten years ago i don't know everyone had a dark blue kitchen yeah right so do you have any advice about should you steer clear from bold colors because you're going to tire them or they're going to go out of fashion well no funny I don't know why I'm not sure why this is and there's

probably a much deeper level of psychology in this conversation that I'm not clever enough for but dark blue for some reason doesn't stick around as a color it's much more of a trend color than green i i think probably it's probably got something to do with the fact that it isn't nature people like to be close to nature the feeling that you get when you're in nature and nature is predominantly green we think of nature we think of green so for some reason green in a kitchen is just a great color it never really goes out of fashion it never really dates there are always different elements different hues of green so the dark green classic dark green kitchen I don't feel really is ever going to date now there is a there is a

lean towards this sort of quite minty green coming into kitchens the trend but again I think because it's a bit playful I think it might be of the moment colour and then I think it will sort of tone back down again the colours that don't ever really date are the ones that are kind of sort of quite muted so where you've got like a green or a neutral oatmeals off whites that they tend to be quite safe so if you take inspiration from nature you're probably going to have a relatively timeless look. And I think we're all moving towards more sustainable design and not changing things constantly. So knowing what sensible colours you should choose, which are not.

I am a real colour magpie when it comes to things inside. And I can easily follow a trend. And it's important not to. Because I don't want to replace things I don't want and I think trying to figure out what colors aren't going to date that you're not going to go off which is something you as a designer are amazing at but I think it would be really useful to understand those principles of are there colors to avoid if you don't want to go off them this is why the tie between the inside and outside, I think, is so relevant, because what you're putting in your interiors tends to be something you're investing in that's going to be around for a long time.

Whereas exteriors, your plants, are less expensive and seasonal. So you can actually have fun, a lot more fun, I think, in your garden. And actually, it's why I think people do experiment more with colour in a garden, because you can say you might plant a plant one year and this comes out. You think, oh, I'm not so sure about that red. I wouldn't do that tulip next year, whatever it is. Whereas inside, you've invested in your cushion covers. That's a lot of money. And, you know, you're not going to sort of hopefully not get rid of a cushion cover. But if you go with something that's of the moment and it's a bit of a trend, the likelihood is it's not going to look great in your interior unless you've planned the whole room around it. You're better off going with a sort of timeless.

For me as well, I'm more and more and more and I think more people are leaning towards sustainability and what you can reuse, repurpose, recycle. And I don't I really don't encourage just buying things for the sake of it because it's of the moment. And therefore, you've got to be really careful with color trends that you're not just buying something because it's of the moment. However, if you're a colorful person that loves colorful, bright interiors and you've already got at least three bright colors in your interior, you can actually introduce lots of other colours. You've just got to make sure that there's a sort of thread that goes through those colours, which, again, if you were to look on a colour wheel, tends to sit together nicely. So you wouldn't put like a terracotta red next to, say, a, I don't know, yellow's a bad example, a bright green. A bright green, I'm talking like a sort of...

Like Christmas vibes. That's not going to work together. But then if you tone that green down and you go olive green with a terracotta, match made in heaven. so it's again it's because they're on the same color spectrum you see so it's that's all yeah that's quite important but can we actually fire out into the garden because onto that i would like to hear your thoughts on color in the garden because i'm amazed at how since moving into my own home how much more fun i'm having in the garden with color and is there a particular color scheme that you follow in the garden that you particularly love

i know the answer because i think it's purple white and green is your fave is that true is it not no it's my client's fave oh well okay this is this do you mind if i ask you this because i i i don't want to offend anyone i when, before I had a garden of my own, I would always look at colours like gardens and I would look at green, white and purple as a really nice colour scheme. It's a really, but I would say it's safe. It's not that it's safe, my friend.

I think people make a massive mistake with colour in the garden in that I will often meet clients and they will tell me the scheme and it's often the Wimbledon colours. They want green, white, and purple. Hey, it's Mitch from SideNote Podcast. And I'm here to tell you about the new Google Pixel 9 powered by Gemini.

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to mastering a strength program, they've got everything you need to keep knocking down your goals. No pressure to be who you're not, just workouts and classes to strengthen who you are. So no matter your era, make it your best with Peloton. Find your push, find your power. Peloton. Visit peloton at onepeloton.ca but that's only suitable for a snapshot of a season and people think about their gardens as in what they're going to look like in late may early june and at that time of year the colors of abundance are green white and purple so and that's why often you'll see Chelsea flower show quite similar colours coming up it's because those are the tones in flower then

but as you move towards late summer it's hotter colours tend to come out so your hot pinks from say you know beautiful echinacea or you get bright yellows bright oranges those hottest colors come in in late summer so actually when you're thinking about color in your garden it's not about just choosing three you're actually choosing colors per season so as you said about the red tulips with spring bulbs come in such an abundance of colors that you can choose as many as you want but I will always try and do either an analogous scheme which means that the colors will sit next to each other on the color wheel so maybe it's pinks and purples together which looks stunning with maybe a really deep maroon it's beautiful you need that depth as you do in the house as well or you can go with

complementary and that's it's a little braver a lot of people shy away from that but where you're going with maybe purples and then a big old pop of orange cringe orange but actually if you are judicious with how much don't use too much then it's that counterpoint of the orange with the purple colors that probably make you shudder indoors are really bold choices outdoors and can really elevate a scheme so you need we've talked about the back to basics you have to have seasonal color schemes in a garden you can't just go i want everything purple and green because your garden will be boring and colorless for quite a lot of the year yeah so actually you divide it up to winter early spring late

spring early summer late summer autumn because in autumn we want you having all those blazes of orange and yellow and red which people cringe about in a flower but love in a leaf and then the winter looks beautiful yeah because everything around it is almost like not dyed but it's subdued and it stands out against the sort of darker skies and exactly so and winter is much harder for color you're mostly going to have evergreens for obvious reasons but you can use things like cornice so dogwoods which are the plants that if you're not familiar with are just they're kind of a green lump in the summer but then they shed their leaves and they are like neon orange neon red neon yellow twigs and they look incredible with silver birches but

if there's something you wouldn't look twice at in the summer but suddenly you've got this electric winter garden so it's really worth carving up your colors so what's really interesting about how you work is your your color is kind of perpetual in the house you have to choose your scheme and stick to it you can change certain parts of it whereas in the garden if you don't plan per season it's not going to work yeah I think if you're it's probably the same I think if you're planning a project from the start you can probably be much more experimental with color from the start because you're starting from scratch. So you can say, I know all of these colours and we can start to put them on a board and play around with those colours and bring them in in different ways.

But I think if you've already got a scheme and then you go, you're in a shop and you go, oh, my God, I love that cushion. You buy it, you get it home. The likelihood is it's probably not going to work unless you really understand what other things you've got going on. It's probably not going to work unless you really understand what other things you've got going on. Sometimes inheriting a garden is a bit like you having to deal with someone's favorite sofa in a particular color. So you might move into a garden and say it has loads of those very bright pink hydrangeas. You know, the really bright ones, which are arguably some people think a bit granny-ish to each their own. Suddenly you're like, right, well, I've got a very bold pink pink here so you could either look to complement it you work with it or work against it I've got those outside the front door interesting I really love them they've grown I bought them as a really small plant when we moved in I put these in these black barrels and

they've just taken off and they're suddenly absolutely huge and they I love them when I walk through the front door but would I bring that color colour indoors? Not in hell. It's so funny. Well, I'd like to see you bring purple indoors as well. I mean, I... No, purple's a... And yet outside, it's a joy. It's a lively colour, purple. It's a lively colour, a hard one to use.

And I think I touched on this on a previous episode where we used it in a downstairs loo and we did it in lacquer. So it was lacquered and it really came to life and it was fun because it's a downstairs loo. If you can't fun in a downstairs loo where can you so that was playful fun fun place to do it but would I put purple anywhere else would I paint the kitchen purple no I can't think of anywhere else I'd probably put it apart from a kid's room can we dive into colours can we just go through one by one on the colours and I want to understand good rooms for them to be in

like how they're going to make me feel. Yeah. Let's do it. Okay. Oh it's like choose a colour pick a colour. Pick a colour. Any colour. Well can we start with blue? Let's start with blue. Let's delve back into blue. Where do I want to use blue? How's it going to make me feel? Do you know that blue was voted

people's favourite colour? The tone of the blue will very much determine where you can use it and how you can use it and how it makes you feel. How does it make you feel? Well, again, it's a colour that invokes conversation. It's thought-provoking and it invokes intelligence and concentration. So great colour for dining rooms because you're having a conversation. But again, you don't need to bring blue in

in like a whole big bowl colour of blue. You can bring it in in wallpaper or you can bring it in, you know, in accent colours in artwork or, you know, cushions or rugs or curtains or whatever it is, fabrics. Okay. What about its complementary friend? Let's go to orange.

Oh, orange is vitality. So it's vitality and it's also, again, it's another one that's really good for concentration. So orange is like thinking, concentration. You know, it's a fun colour, but it's probably one of the most uncomfortable colours on the spectrum. It doesn't tend to be one that you would use a lot in interiors. An accent colour, sure. Like a bright orange vanity unit great you know big bowl bit of orange artwork great but

in an interior no kids rooms again sure but it's good friend terracotta you use a lot yes like you know yeah again you're kind of going into the you're going out from the outside of the spectrum the wheel and you're going inwards and then it's all becoming a lot more, but more so. It's got black in there and it's got a bit of brown and it's got all these other colours merged in with it. So it's not a true colour. It doesn't have that same feeling. So what you're kind of saying, or what I'm hearing, is actually primary colours are tricky to use in interiors. And you need to bleed out, get your secondaries and your tertiaries.

Yes. Can I tell you a fun fact about orange go on when i was 11 my entire bedroom was orange including an orange fluffy headboard really an orange fluffy headboard it was hideous i mean it sounds hideous we need to see a picture did your mom keep a picture wish she did it was absolutely appalling i remember my grandmother coming in and she was like oh you know as you know she was trying to be polite because I designed it I would like to reassure people that my design has moved on do you know what I'm going to talk about this now actually now we're in your kids bedroom are you as a child were you a well-behaved child were you a happy child very good girl happy child yeah oh your orange bedroom could have had an impact on that so genuinely so the

bedroom you have to think about this actually on genuinely especially if if there's any doubt that your child might have you know autism adhd any learning disabilities you really should consider the color that you're putting on the walls in that kid's room oh yeah because a room that you're putting on the walls in that kid's room. Oh. Yeah, because a room that you're sleeping in, it needs to feel, especially for kids with ADHD where their minds are busy, busy, you need to calm it down, you need to tone it down. You want muted, off-whites, very, very, very subdued colours, nothing vibrant, nothing bright. No, nothing that's going to excite.

No yellow, no orange, no yellow no orange no bright colors no primaries keep primaries out of kids bedrooms if you want to invoke calmness they did a brilliant test where they put kids in a room that was just it was all just a very subdued white and then you just had you know a couple of toys kids played very calmly as soon as they put the kids in the room that was brightly colored walls think big brother it evokes you know craziness madness that is also scientifically why the big brother house is the colour that it is the big brother house is so cleverly designed that's not an awful design mistake those colours all put together that is a very very well considered well designed house manipulative that is manipulative yeah they put all these crazy

colors in the big brother house to in like basically make you go a bit mad make you get gossiping talking sometimes feeling sexually stirred up all sorts of different colors going on in there i love this yeah all right fine we've done blue we've done orange i feel like we covered red and green in some depth prior what am i missing green we did a bit green's my favorite color on the spectrum and it's the color that i always gravitate to um i love i love green it's it's it is nature it's like everybody loves nature and it just bringing that indoors is always going to feel good great color great color for studies as well can we touch on black yeah we can touch on black let's touch on black because black can be very fashionable can't it

it's classic but fashionable it is a sophisticated elegant sexy color so it's slimming so you'll feel this a lot you you'll probably use this the same in the garden we spoke about black fences before it has no light in it at all so if you put black in a room it's going to feel super oppressive it's almost like you walk in and it's just nothing however the black is meant to be the basis for building upon so if you did paint a room black you put white picture frames on the wall and suddenly you've got something super dramatic really cool but you've got to be careful with black because black can also feel quite ghoulish it can feel quite scary it can feel quite oppressive so black is I mean I love black I love wearing black but in an interior it's a risky color a color which I'm not sure if you love or hate I think you love it but then

you've got strict rules about it gray so for me gray you're limited to what you can bring in with gray very limited like if you have a gray sofa quite limited to what you can pair it with sadly you can't bring you can't have anything gray and then bring oatmeal into it or or any nice beiges oatme. Whereas if you've got oatmeal, you can bring anything into it, any colour you like. Whereas grey tends to be yellows, pinks, and then it all starts to feel a bit like you're limited, very limited.

How can you tell if the grey-toned colour you're choosing has got the warmth in it that you're advising? So again, when you're looking at colour on a colour chart, colour charts, by the way, paint charts, are designed to help you. They might look really overwhelming, but when you open up your colour fan

and you've got your rows and rows and rows and rows and rows of colour, you tend to have at the very bottom the darkest colour of that, of the family. So it'll go sort of black, purple, blue, green, all the way through to sort of yellow. And it'll be dark. And then it'll go all the way up and it'll get lighter and lighter and lighter and lighter as you go to

the top and then it'll sort of have the biggest the highest amount of white within that color so it's designed in a way that you can then follow the line across you can almost take a color from each of the sort of third row up and you know they all go together they all work together beautifully so you can sort of see what works and what doesn't because of the varying hues within that colour. So try and avoid pure greys. Because off camera, I was asking you, I need to whip out some carpets in my hopefully new house,

which are red, and whack something in short term. And you said grey. Should I get a grey carpet? Should I go grey? Because I thought that was the general rule. Again, grey is a cold colour. So grey is on the cold spectrum. So anything that's cold,

it's harder to match with than anything that's warm. And a grey carpet will make you feel a bit... You know, your carpet at the end of the day is your base colour. You're putting something on the wall, it's your base colour. So the base colour is what's the grounding for the rest of the entire scheme. Everything else you're putting in that room is based upon the foundation of the colour that you have around it let's dive into that base color

because i think if you're starting from scratch some people are some people aren't but if you want to start from scratch and you don't want to get it wrong i think a lot of people would have gone well i'll start with gray but you're saying no what are some safe colors that people can use as their base so you've said that black is a So you've said that black is a base. You've said that oatmeal is a base. What are your bases if you're just like, I just want neutrals that I'll build off. What should people be doing? What colours?

You want to go with an off-white. An off-white towards the oatmeal. Anything that's white is going to make a room feel bigger. White has the power to make a room feel bigger, wider. As soon as you paint it a darker colour, the walls start coming in. So, you know, again, think about it even with artwork. If you put artwork on the walls, it's going to bring the walls in. Actually, if you don't, if you just have white walls, it makes the room feel bigger.

White is a brilliant, brilliant colour for hallways. I feel like I could talk about colour until the cows come home. I really want to delve more into the garden and colour in the garden. And there was a nugget of gold that you were talking about earlier when we were talking about those little colours. And we only did five minutes on it. And I would love to jump into that again, perhaps in the next episode, and talk more about colour in the garden.

Would that be all right with you, Paul? That would be all right. Amazing. I'm going to come at you hard with questions. I need a lie down after that. So we will start, we will have a new episode on colour in the garden. Next week, let's talk about colour in the garden, but let's get really deep into it. So I think what would be most useful for you all is I'm going to go into colours per season. So some schemes that you can use, which are going to give you colour, not just in summer, when that one's easy. Let's get into the winter colour let's get into autumn and spring so by

the end of that episode you will have a colour scheme per season and actually this is very timely because it is the time of year to be planning your garden I can't wait for that I need that please like subscribe share with your mum and your friends and just for anyone else that loves gardens and interiors. Thank you so much. See you next time. If you're at a point in life when you're ready to lead with purpose, we can get you there. The University of Victoria's MBA in Sustainable Innovation is not like other MBA programs. It's for true changemakers who want to think differently and solve the world's most pressing challenges. From healthcare and the environment to energy, government and technology, it's your path to meaningful leadership in all sectors.

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