The Ins & Outs - Lighten Up

Episode Date: September 26, 2023

Light is one of the most important things to consider when planning your interiors and exteriors. In this episode we cover everything you need to know when it comes to harnessing the light to maximise it's impact inside your house and in the garden.Whether you're trying to work out what to do with a particular room, where you want to have your morning coffee, or what plant to put where, this is a must listen! InstagramJojo - @houseninedesignPolly - @pollyanna_wilkinsonWebsitesJojo - https://www.housenine.co.uk/Polly - https://www.pollyannawilkinson.com/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. The colour of true elation Pine on a summer's day See I've been waiting for you Waiting for you Thank you so much for joining us. Today we are going to be talking about the power of light. Light is one of the single most important things to consider when planning or designing your interiors and very much so in the garden as well not only is

it absolutely vital inside for your house plants but it's also we're going to be talking about how you deal with light in your garden how you deal with those tricky shady spots and how you lean into your sunny spots too make sure that you like you subscribe you share with a friend you share with someone who's not a friend tell everyone that you love the podcast let's do this hi paul hello how are you today just getting my mouth in all this teeth to the tips to the tongue teeth and tips so hit me do you i'm just going to hit you with questions as i always do about things i don't know i love that okay do you choose rooms based on their light as in like the use of a room would you choose for example a kid's bedroom or a spare room or a bedroom or living room? I think it's secondary to practicality.

Practicality will come first. But light, it's important, but no. I'm going to say in general, no. Unless it's a room like a kitchen. And for instance, taking my own house as an example, my kitchen is in the back of the house, the darkest room in the entire house. I need lights on all day in the summer, midday. I'm moving the kitchen from the back of the house to the front. So I think where it's a room that

you're going to be using a lot like a kitchen, you will always try and put in a room that is going to get the most amount of light because you don't want to have your lights on in a kitchen, you will always try and put it in a room that is going to get the most amount of light because you don't want to have your lights on in a kitchen all day on a summer's day. No. Okay. So what if you have a room which is really dark? Like, I don't know, it's north facing. I'm going to, so for me, north facing means shady in a garden. So presumably means north facing in a house, also shady. So there's two ways to play it with a dark room you either play up to it and just go for it it's dark let's go dark let's go moody and think about the use of that room so for instance doesn't really matter if a study for instance is moody doesn't matter with bedrooms necessarily moody sex dungeon sex dungeon absolutely works very well nobody wants to see their bits no one wants a well-lit sex dungeon

do they not with lights from mine is mine is actually quite well lit but got some lovely wall lights in there um but anyway no they're usually in the basement anyway actually polly said that wouldn't usually have any natural light not in my house caught you out there but no you throw me now look what's you left me. It's very unusual for me. I would say, so you either go for it, play up to it, go dark, go moody. If it is a dark room and you want to get more light into it, think about where the only window might be,

put a mirror, potentially on the wall opposite, and that will obviously bring more light into the room because it's going to reflect more light from the window. Think about the curtains and the blinds, the window dressings that you choose as key. Because if it's already a dark room, what you don't want to be doing is putting a big pelmet over the top one third of the window. Two thirds of the light outside will come in the top one third of your window. Hold on, that hurts my brain. Two thirds of the light from the top one third. Yeah, so the top one third of your window will let in two thirds of the light from outside.

And therefore, if you put a big pelmet or Roman blind over the top one third, you're making that room extremely dark. So try and think about your window dressing. Either don't have a blind and have a curtain or get it up high get it up above the recess to try and encourage as much light into the room as possible so for privacy how do you make sure that you get maximum light without compromising your privacy i would again if you don't need them at high level for instance take a sort of london house right on a busy street yeah a lot of people would take shutters and put them all the way up to the ceiling but realistically in a living room you don't need shutters that go all the way up to the top of the recess have shutters that only come halfway down because

then you'll still get all that lovely light in but you're still creating privacy at street level if you're in a bedroom obviously that's where you want to consider is there anything looking in it's all about privacy it's all about you want to maximize light but obviously you want to think about privacy as well so both absolute considerations shutters i try not to use them i think they have their place but i think they're used they went through a period where people were just going absolutely crazy with them you can obviously tilt them so you can let the light in and obviously you know tilt them up or down but they're very restrictive and I would try and keep away from them where possible what would you use instead them what would you use instead half white cafe

curtains do you share roller blinds I would use sheer curtains but they have their use but I just think think before you rush into getting a shutter they're very restrictive keep away from shutters and don't block out that top one third. Yes. Is it a bit like putting a paper bag over your head? It's a bit like, yeah, it's exactly like that. I'm just piercing up little holes in the top. Yeah, I just think people go a bit OTT with shutters where they sort of, yeah, shutters are quite good if you've got a very, very south-facing house

that looks out, say, i don't know a beach and it's getting flooded with south facing light light will pretty much bleach or destroy fabrics wood floor potentially your furniture so you have to think about if you have a south facing window you have to think about the most practical thing to put in that window to stop that light coming in and destroying everything in its path i see you'd never ever put silk curtains for instance in a south-facing room just don't do it they actually believe it or not it burns the sun will burn silk fabric are there clever films you can use yes all windows now come with a uv film but it will still you'll see what it does to a floor. And if you've got sort of bifolding windows in the kitchen on a south facing

elevation, the sun will actually, it will actually bleach the floor, which is obviously, you know, pain. You can't, you can't get around it.

There's only so much you can do. I would say like, if you're going to, if you're not going to be there in the day, pull some sheer curtains across that will help protect. But if you, if you put a sofa, for instance,

with its back to a south facing window okay the sun will bleach it so just you know if you're not there go around close curtains have a secondary share curtain or something that you can pull down if you're not there it will protect everything in your house and obviously keep the heat out right so if you've got a dark dingy room lean into it or put mirrors in it i would say lean in that i actually always think dark rooms and houses are somewhere that you can actually get a bit playful that's why downstairs leagues you can usually have so much fun because it doesn't tend to have a window if it does it's very small and that's why i always say go for it have a bit of fun paint the walls really dark dining rooms are great again because it's going to be used in the evening

so you can go dark because it doesn't need to look light go moody go dark have a bit of fun in there studies again great rooms to go dark but it depends what you want to feel for instance when you when I wake up in the morning in a bedroom I want to feel like it's a sort of a sanctuary it sort of feels inviting and not cold and stark but warm and calm I wouldn't necessarily put like a dark blue in a bedroom great in a hotel because obviously you're staying there for one night but you wouldn't want it in your own house because i think it's quite oppressive it's quite a cold dark blue dark purple not that i would paint a wall dark purple but unless it's a again dan says lou those colors they're quite emotive you know so you've got to be really considerate of color but light obviously has a huge effect on color and what it does to you you

know so color changes in different lights so it's it's yeah so definitely play up to if it's a dark room and you want it to be light then it's really it's going to come down to artificial lighting clever placement of mirrors window dressings you know don't cover in dark window dressings and try and maximize how much light's coming in through the window and then otherwise i think just yeah it's going to be your lighting that you use and do you absolutely bloody go for it if you've got a dark room are you like all the all the ceiling lights all the wall lights lamps is it just a light palooza is there rules that you shouldn't do in dark rooms with lights it depends what you're using it for so light is going to create mood but the type of light that you use and i'm really going into it here but we'll come into this

on a different episode of lighting and an actual artificial lighting that you use but the different sort of bulb colors that you use will completely change the color of the room if you use a cool white bulb it's going to make whatever's on the wall feel cool it's going to make the room feel cold so it's getting all of those things it's really been quite considerate of all those things i'm not an overhead light person i don't like down lights so i'm very much a low level lighting kind of gal wall lights low level lighting get things on lots of different circuits so that you can play around with the light you know how lighting is supposed to be used really think about the lighting in that room get clever with it if it's so that you can play around with the light. You know, lighting is supposed to be used,

really think about the lighting in that room, get clever with it. If it's, the lighting is specifically designed to create moods at different times of day. So if you need it in the day, because the room is dark, you want to create a light that feels as natural as possible. So that if it's sort of two o'clock in the afternoon

and you're working in a study that room needs to feel well lit enough that you're not going to be falling asleep on your laptop you know so it's just it's thinking about all those little things what are the tips you've got for me what else do i need to know about into i don't even know what questions to ask i think when it comes to that because we're talking about natural light really today we're talking about the sun and you know where it moves around in the sky and how it comes into different rooms and actually we spoke about this and we spoke about back to basics about how important light and getting to understand how you live in your house based on where the sun

moves around the house and how much light comes into those rooms i think it's definitely understanding what those rooms are going to be used for. Like really think about it, because actually if we're lacking in vitamin D or sunshine, we start to feel depressed. So put yourself in a room with no natural light, you might start to feel a bit depressed. So I'd say it's just being considerate of where the light is moving around outside the house and how it's coming in the window

is just really considerate. Window dressings are such a key. They're so important. You can get really affordable window dressings now, but just think even if it's just getting a really cheap sheer roller blind tucked up in the top of the recess that you can just pull down, you know, to stop the sun beaming in your window. It's a cheap fix and then spend the money on a nice pair of curtains or, you know, a nice Roman blind. But yeah, considerate of window dressings, I think it's a pretty big thing to consider when it's when you think about light as well it's an interesting thing you said about it affecting

mood actually because I've been as you know house hunting recently there was one house which I loved but it had a very very dark living room and kitchen and those are let's face it the rooms that you spend your most time in at this point in your life and I just I felt quite gloomy and it didn't feel somewhere that I felt I would be happy. And that's just because of light. Can you change the light other than window dressings? Do you just own it? Do you just stick with what you've got?

And as you say, if you've got a gloomy room, lean into it, make it dark. So think about reflection. Mirrors reflect light. So in a dark room, you've got one window, put a mirror on every wall and you're going to have a light room. But the only thing is to remember is that that light, if it's a north-facing room, is cool light. It's not warm light. So it'll be a blue light as opposed to a yellow light. So south-facing rooms, southwest-facing rooms bring in a warm yellow glow.

Whereas a north-facing, east east-facing room because it's actually not direct sunlight will be a cool glow but light is extremely important i think it's a really but then you know it could be a stunning house it's just okay let's talk about whites again for a minute if you've got a dark house don't for goodness sake use whites with any gray in it oh hello why because it's going to feel cool as hell right dark house you want it to be warmer you want warm whites warm whites not cool avoid gray at all costs in a north dark house north facing dark house you know on all estate agent blurb and I keep coming back to houses because I often think about them in terms of everyone says they don't want a north facing garden. You will be able to explain that better than anyone.

Yes. So do you like a north facing garden? Well, it's not that I like or dislike them. I have had both. It's more the fact that what I find really curious is anyone with a south facing garden, they say they are are and usually kitchen is the the room that sort of rolls onto it they say they're being baked in their kitchen so pros and cons right it's light but it's hot absolutely and actually i had a meeting with a client that was putting two roof lights in their south-facing extension kitchen extension so these two roof lights which i'm all

for roof lights to bring more light into a room but these this extension kitchen extension had these two big square roof lights over this south elevation and i was like because you're facing south you're going to get absolutely blown up with light in here and if you put those roof lights in as lovely as the idea might be you're going to have two great big squares that are going to be moving around the room this light is going to be going like this around the room and creating like well bleaching your floor for a start but blinding you in your kitchen and making you very hot that's a real consideration i think that's a mistake a lot of people have made doesn't it do the big old bifolds all the way along and then they're like oh my god it's boiling these are things you really have to consider if you're doing an extension

think about things like where your curtain's going, where your blind's going. If it's south facing, you have to think about curtains, blinds, window dressings, something to shield that light coming in or indeed put air conditioning in that room because it's going to get hot. Outside, light is quite a different beast, but equally some of what you said really resonates. Hey, it's Mitch from Side Note Podcast, and I'm here to tell you about the new Google Pixel 9 some of what you said really resonates. terrible at keeping up with emails, I use Gemini to give me summaries of my inbox, which is a lifesaver. And if I'm feeling stuck creatively, I just ask Gemini for help and bam, instant inspiration. You can learn more about Google Pixel 9 at store.google.com. Whether you're in your running era, Pilates era, or yoga era, dive into Peloton workouts that work with you. From meditating at your kid's game to mastering a strength program, they've got everything you need to keep knocking down your goals. No pressure to be who you're not,

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can't fight the moonlight in the words of Leanne Rimes it's ultimately the answer to can you have colour in in shady spots is no you can't and it would be lost anyway because it's dark but what you can do number one you've got to lean into it in the same way that you lean into it you've got to lean into it with green shade lovers tend to be green because obviously color needs light to be colorful so we'll go with loads and loads of green you've just got to own it if you've got a shady spot it's going to be green but you can add loads of white flowering plants things like astrantia which is this gorgeous little pin cushion flower that you can put in and it just glows it's like a light bulb oh it's amazing and you And you do it by seasons.

Don't just think, oh, I know, I'll just put a load of Estrantia in. You've got for late summer something like anemone, which I can never pronounce. Anemone. Anemone.

Like an anemone. Yeah, anemone. Anemone. Anemone. No, not anemone. Not like what you stand on in the sea. That's what I was thinking of. No. that's an

anemone spell it for us anemone a-n-e-m-o-n-e and what does it look like um it looks like a white or pale pink flower very tall it's got sort of a um beautiful slightly serrated green leaf and the reason it's great is because it flowers in late summer when everything else is looking kind of boring and they're quite rampant so you have to be a bit careful of the cultivars you use because they can take over but frankly in a shady spot I welcome them taking over and they basically spire up to say I don't know 1.52 meters and then they're this sort of mass of white flowers and they're stunning and you put them in shade and suddenly zing the whole thing is lit up how long do they last are they quite

months really so for late summer brilliant so i was amazed this year on the topic of white light in the garden when my hydrangeas sprung up which was like the most joyous experience probably of my life after having children um was coming home at night and they glow in the moonlight i mean they are like big old light bulbs big old orbs they're amazing but i had the same thing with my tulips in the spring white i had a bed full of white tulips which is completely random i got all these tulips actually you recommended and i stuck them all all these tulips, actually, that you recommended. And I stuck them all on the ground because I was like the last person to get them in. And I didn't plan them.

And this entire bed of white tulips came up. And at night, I'd come home, dark, and these things would be like glowing. They're amazing. They are amazing. So we will stack anywhere that's shady with white plants. And it's kind of what you said, interesting that you said about we'll also use silver leafed plants so there's one called brunnera one i really like is brunnera jack frost it's the kind of plant you probably wouldn't look twice at unless you worked in gardens and then you suddenly realize how brilliant this plant is

it's got sort of a heart-shaped leaf but it's that it's silvery and again like reflections what you're saying about mirrors it's those silvery and whites that that light in a space so the answer for anywhere shady is lean into your greens and whites and it will instantly lift it but equally we do use mirrors outside usually in sort of smaller courtyards in smaller rooms which i imagine is like a parallel to you silly question do they have to be they have to be outdoor mirrors, I'm presuming? Well, do you know, it's interesting. There are ones that are made specifically for outdoors. But a lot of people just take something from a rec yard or from a, you know, and just whack it up.

But obviously the wood will eventually rot if you don't treat it. I think the mirror actually does. But I quite like that patina. Yeah. And then, I mean, you can buy metal ones as well, but I like it when they go sort of like a bit like Miss Havisham's house when they're not really a perfect mirror anymore and they've got those sort of mottled that looks like it's been on the Titanic.

When you, say, take on a project, does the direction in which it faces actually influence, I know obviously it influences your design, but do you have a preference? Do you actually enjoy designing north-facing gardens more do you prefer south-facing gardens are south-facing gardens more challenging because of the sun i love shade i love shade planting and this is the difference between people that understand gardens and planting and those that don't usually if you're not big into gardens you hate shade planting you say it's boring it's things like ferns it's things like brunneras.

It is green plants, which people go, I don't really like those. And actually, when you understand the value in these plants, suddenly you're like, actually, some shade gardens are freaking awesome. So I don't have a preference because it keeps it interesting. And actually, it means, no, you can't necessarily have all your sun lovers. The things like, for example, let's go with it because everyone loves it. Lavender. Oh, I was just about to ask lavender.

Who doesn't bloody love lavender? Everyone does. And it likes sun, right? Yes, it needs sun. Lots of it. Think about it. It's like an Italian sort of type plant. How much sun?

Lots of sun. Loads of sun. The more the better. It likes free draining. If you think about where you see lavender, you see it in the south of France. You see it in Italy. You see it in hot mediterranean countries it needs that sun so people typical plants that everyone loves such as lavender you need sun and so people don't like having a north-facing garden because it will perish it will look so sad like this sad little

woody lavender that's exactly what i've got right now i don't know what i've done to it it's horrible well it needs pruning as well we can get to that but that is when i understand that people feel frustrated because they cannot have the plants that they love in their garden and if there's one rule you have to follow for your garden which is not very popular but it's facts you have to plant for your light So you've got rules with gardens. Full sun in a garden is six plus hours of sun in summer, not winter. We don't have any sun in winter. So June, July, you go outside. If your garden, certain areas of your garden

get six hours of sun, that means it's full sun and you can go for it with your planting. Shove your lavenders, your olives, your Mediterranean plants. Six hours. But you have to look at this in summer because you know obviously the sun is so much lower in winter that a lot of your garden won't get any you know because it doesn't even it doesn't can't get out then it's three to six hours is partial shade which means you need to be planting for part

shade and every plant you buy has this on the label or you can look it up online and then less than three really reads those they just buy them because they look good well we stick them in the ground they die that's why it's dead why is my plant died because it's an indoor house plant because you've planted your lavender in shades stuck it under an apple tree that i. That I do that all the time. Well, exactly, right? I'm learning. It's like 101 with planting.

You have to plant for light. And this is time after time we'll come in and see these sad, languishing plants in shade that desperately need like 12 hours of sun. Yeah. Oh, you're looking guilty. So the final one is three hours or less of sun. That's shade. That's a shade plant.

And there are actually plants that live with no sun? Yeah. Like if you think about sort of the little ferns that grow under rocks in caves. And moss. Yes. They're really exciting. So in which case then, if you have a north-facing garden that gets no sun on that back rear elevation, you're going to have ferns or moss.

No. If you've got a north-facing garden, it means that what is immediately outside your house is in shade, which means that you could have your hydrangea Annabelle because they love a bit of shade. They love a bit of sun as well, but they're a tough old bird. They'll take a lot of shade. They are a tough old bird, aren't they? Yeah. They've got an absolute hammering in the summer from that rain and they just kept coming back they can't

do you know what there was once a time when it was raining so much that i went out with an umbrella and stood over them like and i was sort of cupping them like cupping so what are you doing i'm cupping my hydrangeas they're very big and i was sort of jiggling them to get the water off them because they get really heavy i thought of you standing out there with your umbrella i did and i was like my babies and they were fine so worth it they come back good but you can and you can have ferns and brunners and your anemone which anemone which i told you about and the astrantia oh i could go for it but it just means that what's around your house is going to be greener and whiter which i think can be quite calming and then you can have your color at the end of the garden

okay so you know you've got to you've got to work with the light in the garden the same as in the house how are you with house plants we've got a fig in our office i can't take actually any credit for his current existence he's been with us for about four years and he is massive he's called fergus ferguson and he's the most beautiful fiddle fig you've ever seen and he's huge and we feed him when we look after him and we talk to him and do you want to say we i mean the team, not me. I go and stroke them occasionally. But at home, I can't keep them alive. No. I'm terrible with houseplants. I feed them occasionally and then I forget.

And then three weeks later I realise it's, no, I'm terrible. Do you know what the trick with them is? Go on. Light. They need light. Oh, gosh. I love that. That little nugget.

Straight back to the topic. Yeah, straight back in. Light and moisture. They like it moist. See, I didn't think they did. Most of them really like moisture because most houseplants are kind of, if you think about it, slightly foresty.

Most houseplants are that sort of vibe and so they really like it sort of dappled light. The worst thing you can do is shove houseplants, unless it's a cactus, in your kitchen window, your south-facing kitchen window, and cook the poor bastard. They need dappled light and moisture.

So that's why they're often very happy in bathrooms because of the shower steam. I don't know how I feel about plants in bathrooms. They make me feel a bit weird. Yeah. I don't know why that is.

Is that your tummy? No. Did I just hear your that your tummy? No. Did I just hear your tummy rumble? No, it was the rain outside. Was it? Are you hungry? I'm not hungry.

Do you want to pause? No, I had a bite of sandwich. You had some of it too. Yes, Jojo. I'm hungry because you ate my sandwich. Baguette for the win. It's delicious. Thank you.

You're welcome. Brain power. Right. Can we just snip back to houseplants a second yes i can't keep them alive as i said but can you i can keep most of them alive i murder every calathea i think i'm saying that wrong i've ever had which is one oh she's a diva and there's a there's a fern, a maidenhair fern. I can't keep that picture alive. But it's mostly with a houseplant. Bitch.

Yeah, she is a bitch. Some people call her a diva. I had a fern, a house fern, and I called her Tina. Because the hair was like Tina Turner's hair. And I was actually, because I named her. Do you name all your houseplants? No, I just named her Tina. No, because you're fiddly.

Maybe I do. Maybe I name the ones that i actually feel quite that like i'm not going to kill because i actually would was sad when when she died her hair went very crispy but r.i.p tina r.i.p tina r.i.p yeah that's apt anyway digress yes houseplants you need to treat them like how they would be if they were growing in the wild so cactuses need to be in full sun so really baked on a on a windowsill and don't water it very frequently whereas anything that comes from the rainforest needs to be in that sort of dappled you just think if it's growing on the floor in a rainforest it's getting a little bit of light but it's also got trees over over it

so that's why it's sort of don't put it in a dingy dark north facing of, don't put it in a dingy, dark, north-facing room. And don't put it in the windowsill of your brightest. It's sort of somewhere in the middle. Right. Morning sun, afternoon sun. And you've got to keep it moist. It matters less about the soil and more about the general humidity in the air. Do you know what the single biggest killer of houseplants is?

Overwatering. Very good. Oh, she's learned something oh clever girl have a potato thank you a potato yeah over watering i know that because that's exactly what i do and i think that's probably why i killed my lavender as well actually i think i over watered it well yes you shouldn't really need to water lavender very much at all no but ultimately it's too much water so you're right get get your old finger in and most houseplants like to dry out before they're watered again and water from beneath right okay so if you've got most houseplants you would sit in a kind of a dish you can put the water in the dish and let it soak up rather than going at the top and then it's only feeding

it's the roots that need the water not the top oh right okay yeah but just a little bit of benign neglect i find works very well with with houseplants all right good yeah that's really good tips and likewise like you said it's just keeping them in dark places or light places depending on the breed or dappled they call breeds it's not a breed is it cultivar variety i'll be going pardon cultivar right okay um yeah mostly most of them dappled dappled light okay good all right thank you so much for joining us we talked about a lot about light and about how to use light in your home and about window dressings and what to do and what not to do and uh and we delved into the power of light outside and where to plant things based on the light

and how it falls around the garden. And how not to murder your houseplants. And how not to murder your houseplants, which we all do. But thank you so much for listening. Please do send in any questions for us. We're going to start doing some listeners' questions to get you guys more involved. So thank you so much, and we can't wait to see you next time.

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