The Ins & Outs - Moons, microcements, and fighting self loathing

Episode Date: March 10, 2026

In this episode we tackle your questions, covering microcement, pelargoniums, ground cover, and the practicality of sizeable rugs. Jojo deals with a car-related mishap and Polly faces a dilemma about moving to the countryside.This episode is proudly sponsored by our very good friends at Apron, a bespoke kitchen design company redefining the heart of the home with deep creative and technical knowledge. Discover more about their personal, hands-on approach at www.apron.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Green, the color of you see, I've been waiting for you, waiting for you, waiting for... Hello, Innes and Outies, and welcome back to this episode of the Inns Anounce podcast with myself Jojo Bar and myself Polly Wilkinson. In this week's podcast, we are talking about microcement, pelagoniums, ground cover and the practicality of sysel rugs, as well as a little self-loathing, loafers and scruffling. So let's jump on in. This episode is sponsored by our Very good friends. At Apron, a truly bespoke kitchen design company that is redefining what it means to create the heart of your home. With over six years of evolution behind them, founder Patrick and his team bring deep creative and technical knowledge of the kitchen industry into every single project. So their approach is really collaborative.

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You beat me to it. Hi, my sweetheart. How are you? How the devil are you? Well, here's, there's an honest answer and then there's the fluffy answer, which do you want? Which do you want? Always the honest. I don't have no time for fluff.

Shove your fluff somewhere unsaid. I just don't know what it is at the moment. I'm feeling in the last week or so, and actually I messaged a friend literally about this just a couple of days ago saying that I feel, do you ever just suddenly riding a wave and everything seems great? And then you suddenly, for no reason, just crash

and you start really beating yourself up about everything. You just start real, the negative chat. You know, you start sort of telling yourself you're not good enough and that you're, you know, this isn't good. and you're just a bit, you're a shit person and you're a shit friend and you're not very good at your job and you're being a shit mother and I just, I'm going through that at the minute. I've had it for the last week and I can't shift it. I know probably I need to go and like sit in a quiet. No, welcome in my friend. The water is warm. I went to bed last night,

ruminated for an hour, waited for Colin to come up and then went, I'm a failure at everything. I'm shit at everything. I'm failing at everything and I'm shit. And he was like, oh, good evening and I just lay there listing all the ways that I'm not as good as everyone else and that I'm just, what is it? Where does it come from? Where does this negative self-talk suddenly spiral from? And it's like you fall down a hole, don't you? You're in like a well. And once you sort of start one little thought, the thread sort of unravels and then you're suddenly like, I don't know, I just feel like I'm not doing any one thing very well. It usually happens when I take sort of too much on and then I start to feel like I get a little bit of a little bit of burnout.

Yeah. And I just, yeah, it's so funny. We're both feeling the same thing. I wonder if anyone else out there is feeling the same at the moment. I wonder as well if it's such an unusually unprecedented time at the moment with what's going on in the world. And the news is feeling more obscure and more heavy than ever. And we're just here trying to go about our lives and be good people and do the best that

we can do and run our businesses and be good mothers. And it just sometimes feels like, what the fuck? are we all doing? Like, you know, and you just sort of think, oh my God, you just want to like scream into the abyss, don't you? Like, what the hell are we all doing? Yes, pretty much all the time. It's nuts. I don't know what it is, mate. I don't sometimes, I think you're right. It's usually when I've got a lot on my plate and I've missed a couple of deadlines for things, you know, like external bits like, oh, I needed to write an article for this person or something, but I, you know, the design work comes first. And it's like, oh, God, or I forgot my kids, Astro boots in the gym bag or

I don't know, and you're just like, oh, I'm shitted everything. I hate that feeling. And there's, I was wondering if it was an old, a peri, perimenopause symptom. But I don't know. Oh, fun, fun fact. Woke up in a pool of sweat. Oh, that's a thing. Two nights ago, that's fun.

Yeah, that's a thing. It's Ryan the Leathers as well. You get sweaty, sweaty down below, don't you? Everything I was wearing was absolutely soaked through. You might be a sweaty menopausal. You know, in a sheet, so wet with sweat that you're like, well, how do I sleep now? Yeah, it's awful. Yeah, it's awful.

Are you a weekly sheet washer? Probably every 10 days to two weeks. Is that gross? Well, if you're sweating, I'd say probably every week. Oh, God, obviously, if I've sweated through it. Maybe give them an extra wash. Indeed. Yeah, it's a funny thing. I don't know what, I don't know if it's paramountable.

It's just, it can just be one, there's a trigger, isn't there? There's usually a trigger that tips you over the edge. I on Monday had a slammed day in the studio, which is Monday is my studio day. and I got in early and it's just like back-to-back, team workshop meetings, client-star calls, Zoom's, experts. And it's just like, da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Came out the studio at 6.30. So I done a full-down. I didn't even leave the studio to go for like a walk.

And I came out at 6.30. And there was a woman parked almost like across the road outside my office with her hazards on. And then there was a pickup truck. And I was like, oh, God, poor woman. She obviously driven into a bus or something. And the left side of her car was a bit nulled. And the wheeled, the hub could sort of come off. And I was like, I've poor woman.

Went to get my car, sort of started to reverse. And she ran off and knocked on the window. And she's like, I'm so sorry, I've driven into your car. And I was like, sorry what? It was my car she had driven into. And I don't understand where. And shop, we don't really understand how I've done this to my car because your car looks seemingly quite okay.

And it's obviously sort of buffed. I've got a scratch down the corner of the car. I was like, oh, shit, I'm going to have to get that dealt with. So fine, drove up. It's just admin stuff, isn't it? It's more admin when you're already busy. So that's one thing. But then I get home and I was like, right, I need to obviously call contact to the insurance company.

I couldn't find the insurance company. And I was like, oh, my God, I've been driving this cuff to years. I don't have insurance. Went through my bank statements. I was like, I can't find this insurance company. And mess is James who I work with. And I was like, oh my God, help. I'm really panicking.

I don't think I'm insured. Like, this is classic me. Like, the admin side of my life is just a hot mess. It's very like I missed dentists appointments. I never like go to my checkups. Like, I'm really rubbish. actually went on DVLA and discovered that my car was indeed insured. He's like, don't panic. Your car is insured. You just don't obviously know who with. It says it's insured. I was like,

oh my God. Can you imagine? I didn't know. You could check that. You can check that. Thank God. So anyway, I just need to try and track down how I paid for it and when. So anyway, that's so feeling a little bit like, and also it's, I'm sitting in a thick fog at home at the moment. I don't know if you are, Paul, but there's just a white thick, as though it's sort of snowed. I can't see past the end of my garden. It's so foggy outside. And I think maybe that's the old air pressure is playing havoc with my mood as well. It's also some sort of moon. I feel like it's a wolf moon.

God, did you get it? Maybe it's the moon. The moon really fucked me this month. I was like, I couldn't sleep at all. I was so tired. My eyelids were literally like hanging down like hound dog's ears. And going to bed, I was like, nope, doesn't fancy it. Couldn't sleep at all literally lying there like wide awake.

And then I realized that it looked like someone I'd left a light on and I realized that it was the moon. It was so bright. And I was like, that explains it. so I just lay there tossing and turning all night. What is that? The lunar, the way we are connected to the moon is wild. It's wild.

It is, isn't it? I'm reading a really fun book at the moment, which I'll share. It's called the Biodynamic Calendar. But that is all about planting by the moon. I can see it. I can understand it. It makes sense. Well, because, I mean, I'm going to bosh the theory here really badly.

But basically, the moon obviously has a gravitational pull and it impacts the water on the earth. So the theory is that there's certain times of the month where you should say, for example, fruiting things. It goes into a lot of detail and I haven't got far enough through it to give it a lot of detail. But I absolutely love it. I'm going to do it as an experiment and see if I plant various things different stages of the mean, does it make a difference?

Just a fun size. Yeah, try it. Why not, right? Why not? Actually, I watched this thing the other day that was this woman was saying, if you put a load of clocks on a wall and all the clocks, ticking clocks. All the clocks are set to different times.

Yeah. Eventually, they will all start to match up. A bit like women in their cycles. Exactly like that. Isn't that wild? Surely not. Wind up clocks, apparently, so. Yeah.

How interesting. Whilst we're slightly on a moony, witchy vibe, I've been listening to a podcast which I think you'll love. It's called Witch. It's on the BBC. Are you? It's so good. Sorry?

Are you going a bit woo-woo? It sounds like you might... I think I've always been a bit woo-woo. I don't think you've been that woo-woo. No, I definitely have a woo-woo tilt, a woo-woo leaning. Okay. But it's fascinating because it's basically a deep dive into all things witch from modern to old. The interviewer, she's absolutely incredible.

She talks to modern-day witches, which I think is fascinating, but also looks a lot about like the witch trials and things back in the 1500s, 1600s. But what is so why? that we don't even talk about anymore. We're just like, yeah, it was a thing. Tens of thousands of women were killed for being witches back in the day. And everyone was just like, yeah, it's just, you know, it's just sign of the times, wasn't it? And it's just like, no, these women, basically men just sort of made up.

There was these guys that just wrote books about like, yeah, women, witches, so you probably have to drown them and if they float. Like, the insane, they used to get blamed if there was a bad crop. Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. Or like a child died. you lost a child, if you had a miscarriage, then it was because the devil was inside you. Like, can you imagine? I'm sad to say, I think that shit still goes on in parts of America. Anyway, my love, how are you?

How are you feeling, apart from a little bit low to? What's been going on? Well, I've got a dilemma and I want to talk to you about it, but I'm hoping the in these narratives might have some hot take too. Pearls of wisdom. So obviously, done the renovation, and I love our home, I've got no plans of moving anytime soon. But at my core, I'm a country girl And I don't actually want to be where I am,

which is suburbia. I want to be in the countryside. I want to walk out of the house and be surrounded by fields. You want to live next to me, don't you? It's not a dilemma, I get it. You want to live closer to me. Yes, I do. I just, I don't really want neighbours.

And insofar as I absolutely love my neighbours, but I just, I sort of don't want to hear everyone's business at the weekend and be like, fucking leafblower. And I just, I just want to sort of live sort of where I lived as a kid, which was in the country. side. And here's my dilemma, right? My boys are 10 and 11 and I know where I live now, they can walk into a village, they can walk to a train station and they'll be able to get into town when they're teens and everything is a sort of 15 minute drive. If I move into the country,

I'll be happy and to a degree they will because it will be like, you know, hopefully this is my fantasy, there'll be like fields that they can play football in and maybe we could have an outbuilding which could be like a teen den where all of their friends could come over and hang out. And like Colin and I could really sort of have the garden that we crave and really want. And it would be great for work as well because we could do like, you know, amazing gardens and he could have a workshop for carpentry and all of this stuff. And, you know, we could have some, I don't know, this is massive privilege, isn't it? And like, but so I would really love this and this is what I want.

I'm solely in suburbia because I sort of found myself here by dint of work. and now obviously I'm divorced and I don't want to be far from a parent and all of those things. The question is, what do you do when you've got kids on that cuspy age where I know they're going to soon want to see their friends all the time? And if I move to the country, I'm going to be a taxi driver, but I'll be where I want to be. If I stay where I am, it's going to be easier for them to see friends and they're going to be able to live a more sort of independent teenagedom. But I am sort of the frustrated gardener waiting for them to leave to move. And the final thing, which is the most important, if we move now, it will be their home.

But if I wait till, you know, they go to uni or whatever, it will never quite feel like home. Kids, the one thing I was always taught is that when kids are young, they're super resilient. And once they bed into a school, they are, that's where they're like to be. I wouldn't be moving schools. Schools stay the same. But where would you think of moving to?

I don't know, Surrey Hills. The countryside. Oh, the countryside. Okay, the countryside. The countryside. Like far far away, but just not in a tack, not sort of town adjacent. I think kids just are resilient. They just get used to it.

But you're talking a different, okay, so you're talking, you are going to be a taxi driver because you're going to be the sort of potentially half an hour. I'm basically waving at teenage years. Is it a terrible idea to move to the country when you're about to have teenagers, I guess is what it comes down to? Because on the one hand, I want it to be home for them. And I figure the sooner I move, like longer they'll have their childhood there and it'll feel like home. But on the other hand, maybe you're better off sticking.

where you are, I don't know, in these and outies, let us know what you think, but I'd say maybe it's that you stay where you are for the next 10 years and then you move more when they're sort of at, you know, hit the 18 year. Because actually then it'll be really lovely because when they go off to sort of uni or, you know, they do, I don't know, they do sick from boarding or whatever, but then they might, then they'll be more likely to want to come home and stay for long stints and that's when you'll be in the country. Except it won't be home, it will have no like feel of home to them. It will have fill of home because you'll be there and all your stuff will be there.

I didn't grow up there. There's no memories. But you must have friends that moved. Like if I think about, we moved, I think when I was like 15 years old. I never didn't think of that as my house. That was always my house, my home. My home is where my home is where the heart is. It's obviously difficult being divorced as well and it already being split between two homes. You sort of want your home to, oh, I don't know, mate.

I'm just noodling this one at the moment. I'd love people. I'd love to hear Inis and Outies experience of this because I just want to do the right thing. But also I don't want to be in suburb. I'm such a frustrated gardener. I want, like, the meadow and the orchard and the spruce, space. I get it. Enough about me.

Shall we be helpful or not? Let's be helpful. Good. To these lovely listeners. Good. Let's start inside with waffling on about my dilemmas. Okay. Okay, I've got a question for you, JJ.

This is one that I've been going back and forth on. Hit me, Biver, one more time. The question is, I love the look of jute, sea grass, and I can never pronounce it. Is it choir or choir, C-O-I-R. How do you pronounce it? Coya, thank you. But are they a mistake with kids? Okay, there's a sort of long and short answer. I'll give the... I'll give them one first and then we'll go into the long one then.

First off, it's they're natural, which is I always want to encourage using natural products wherever possible, because even if, you know, you might keep it for a year or two, it's much more sustainable. It is actually, Saisal is really, really durable. It's way more resilient than Coyer mat. So it stands up really well to heavy traffic. So if you are going to... have a lovely size or rug down in a living room or a hallway or even upstairs. It is going to be super practical. It's also really low shedding. The cons with it is that it feels obviously quite rough underfoot, but then obviously,

and a lot of kids don't necessarily like that. So if you're thinking of using it, say, for a carpet, it can feel a bit rough, especially on little knees. It's not great with spills, but the only thing is, because of the nature of the colour of it, it actually almost doesn't really matter when it gets spilled on. if you don't want to chuck a load of red wine on it, but it actually disguises quite a lot of stains, but it still absorbs liquids really quickly.

So it will stain. That's to go so, but it does need like vacuuming and occasionally dry spot cleaning. But I would say it's also really affordable. As a rug goes, it is actually really affordable. I don't tend to use coir mats as much.

So coia mats, I tend to think of coia matting more like, I don't know, I use coia matting, obviously. with entrance mats because it's super coarse. We use it for plant pots. Yeah, it's like really coarse. I wouldn't sort of say that would be,

but if we're talking like Seizal, then I would say it is, yeah, I'm going to go with it is practical with kids. It's more if you've got an age of your child, if you, I wouldn't put one under a dining table, particularly, like if it's, unless it's, right, something is going to get like wet food on it. Unless it's very thin and it's very affordable,

I wouldn't put something like that necessarily under a dining table because it will. when you get, you can imagine it's like a natural fibre, right? So if you've spilled food on it and it gets mushed into the sysel, it's not going to be particularly, no, it's not going to be great. It's not a good option. You can't scrub it with a sort of brush. It's going to start to kind of a little.

So maybe it's not a kitchen vibe then. Not really a kitchen. No, but then again, where do you, like I always say, I think they're actually great in things like living rooms. I think they're really, I think they're good. And I'm a little bit of a purist when it comes to these sorts things. I quite like the look of things looking a little bit aged and messy over. a time. If you're a real clean freak and you want everything to look perfect, it's probably not

going to be your best option. But they are, as I said, they are really affordable. So they're an easy. And if you do, you know, decide after a year or two, you want to get rid of it, it's not, like, really damaging to the planet. You're not throwing a chunk of plastic away. So that's a nice thought. So, and yeah, like I said, they can be affordable. So I would say, I'm going to go with, yes, they are practical with kids. I've got a question. I've got a wool rug. It's really cool. I love it. But my kids sort of, it's in the playroom. The kids could have scruffle around on it.

Scruffle is. That's a good word. Scruffle. It seems to forever be sort of shedding like clumps. Is that normal? Well, it's a bit like, think about like your wool jumpers. You get some jumpers that just bubble, don't they? They kind of get that sort of.

And the stuff comes off. Was it quite spanky? Yeah, it was. Yeah, sadly that does happen with some. Does that stop, though? Is it kind of like. No, it will keep, that will keep, no, it'll keep happening. It'll keep happening, I'm afraid.

Well, it's just they keep wrestling on it. Yeah. Yeah. Great. Maybe get yourself a size or rug. That won't happen. Well, no, it certainly won't. Not on their poor little knees.

It'll be covered in rope bones, bless them. Maybe not. Well, it might stop the scruffling. Oh, I don't want to stop the scruffling. Maybe you should start scruffling. Maybe you and Colin should start scruffling. Have a weekly scruffle together. On the size of rug or not?

We just did it. We just did a unison head scratch there. We just went do, do, do, do. Did we? Like little monkeys? Right. Let me ask you, one, my darling. I'm going to run outside.

I'm going to ask you this one. I would love to know ground cover plants, please. That's from Gabby. Ground cover plants. Okay. So ground cover plants are what we would use mostly for things like under trees, where we know we're not going to be able to grow anything particularly exciting or where it's sort of very dry shade. So my favourite would be an epa medium, which you're going to struggle to get excited about

because it's basically just a sort of fairly plain, slightly heart-shaped, sort of overly leaf. I think it's really cute. It's got a lovely little flower, and the flowers come in like white or there's a very cool orange one or purple. But epa-medium, really great, bulletproof sort of dry shade, whack that under your trees. That's sort of our go-to. You've got vinkers. They're pretty rampant, but you can get vinker in a pale sort of a white or in part.

purples as well, and we'll use them in kind of woodland schemes where we really need to cover a lot of ground. Another one which you can use, and again, this is another bulletproofer, Pachisandra. Okay. Cassandra, Tertmalerless. Again, struggle to get excited by it. It's just green, glossy leaf, but one that will just grow anywhere you've got a really tough spot under trees. It's another one we reach for. So, I mean, those are three ones. I've kind of assumed if you're asking for ground cover, you're sort of asking for things which is cover Earth. And those would be the three that we go for the most. Okay, brilliant. That's so helpful. Right, I'm noticing a trend, Jojo. We've had a couple of questions on microcement. So I'll ask this one. What are your

thoughts on microcement in bathrooms? I feel like I should explain what microcement is because I don't think everyone is going to necessarily know. So microcement is a really thin decorative cement. It's like a coating, if you like, a decorative cement based coating that you can actually apply over surfaces. So if you've got existing tiles, for instance, in your bathroom that you don't want to have to go down, you know, the route of like completely ripping up or lifting off, you can actually literally apply micro cement over the top. It's like two millimetres thick. It's amazing stuff. It is, in my opinion, absolutely brilliant. It is a particular, it's definitely a particular look. It's very sort of modern spa like, if you like. So I quite like to combine it

with things like tiles or panelling just to help create a little bit of layering, otherwise it can feel a little bit like a sort of Ibuthan villa. But you can literally Is it skiddy? No, it's not. So the brilliant thing about micro cement, it comes in different slip ratings. So you can have micro cement for floors, walls, ceilings, swimming pools. The hotel project that we did in the Maldives, we used it all over the surfaces outside, in the bathrooms, in the showers. The advantages of it, that it's seamless and it's water, it locks in water so that you don't need grout and therefore you can imagine the maintenance and the upkeep is so minimal. So you can literally take it walls all the way up the sort of skirting up the

walls so you've created a completely clean sort of essentially locking out all the moisture and it will just go down your drain. So it's very clever. Obviously like I said it's quite contemporary. The great thing is about it can obviously be just applied over any of your existing surfaces. So that can obviously be a cost saver. But it is expensive. in that you, the most important thing about micro cement is the quality of the installation matters hugely. If you do it, if you try and sort of harsh off it or harsh off it or ask it or get someone to do it.

Halfa. Halfa. Halfa. Halfa. Easy for you to say. Ash harbour. It's, um, if you, if you apply it badly, it will eventually, it will just crack. And then you're going to get like leakage.

You're going to, it will be a nightmare. So poor installation can lead to cracking, lifting. delamination. It's just not worth it. So, um, but it really gets my thumbs up. I think it's such, such clever stuff. I think it's brilliant. And can you do it at different colors? No, any, any, any color you like. I mean, I'm talking like any color. It's essentially like paint. You can choose any color you like. Um, anything to watch out for in terms of if you're going to use it, make sure you, um, I don't know. No, I mean, obviously, it. You can, no, I mean, obviously don't use anything like harsh chemicals. No, don't use anything acidic, but I don't think we should be

anyway, so I don't think we should be using bleach and acidic cleaners anyway. So you want to sort of obviously clean it gently. But it's essentially like, imagine in the old, like not that long ago when it was really trendy to have cement floors. So like cement, you know, lovely grey cement floors. This is, that was such a job. I mean, I used to have it in my old kitchen and they'd have to pour the cement on and then move it around and it would dry, like it would have to have days to dry. And eventually if you suddenly put on floor heating on, it could crack. This stuff is so thin that it allows it to slightly move. So it's just, it's fantastic. I really highly recommend it, but it just make sure you get some to do it properly. There are literally microcement companies out

there that will come and do it for you. And you'll see, you know, like with polished plaster, you can get that lovely, that movement, you know, where it sort of looks like big brush strokes. You can either have it super flat and really clean or you can literally create the look of plaster of like a plaster finish. So it's lovely. Thumbs up for me. Oh, okay. There we go. We don't do a of cement outside, which actually I quite like, because I'm not a big fan of grey, obviously. No, but it doesn't have to be. So when we did the... No, of course, I mean, we've used it for outdoor kitchens. Yeah, and actually the... In multitude of colours, but I didn't sort of...

Really fun fact, which Polly will be able to tell you much more about, but when we did this hotel project in the Maldives, because we used it on all of the outdoor surface areas sort of around the pool, and we went with this really lovely sort of buff limestoney colour, when you then drop down into the pool, the colour that we had to... to choose in the pool was a totally different color to outside the pool because as soon as you throw water in there and you get the reflection, the water would actually turn a completely different colour so it would actually make the surface of the pool look different. So we actually had to go, I'm going to say, dark, which made the pool water look more green as opposed to blue,

which looked really, really sexy. Yeah, big mistake. If people go really pale tiles inside their pool, the water looks almost unreal. It's like a very white as turquoise. Like the colour of the Maldives Sea, but it just doesn't look right. Yeah. It just looks strange. So we go really quite dark for tiles inside pools because it's much nicer when it's got that kind of musy green. But you don't want to be diving into like pond water, but equally.

Yeah. Anyway, so there you go. Okay, my love, I've got one here from Charlie. Where's the best place to buy Pelagony? Pellagoniums? Pelagoniums. Pelagoniums. What's a Pelagonium?

You know, if I talk about geraniums, often what people think I'm talking about is actually a pelagonium. Oh. So pelagoniums are those really lovely, sort of often got a frilly little leaf and a little colourful flower. A little bit granny. They're like grannies love them. They can be grannyish or they have a reputation for being granite. I actually think they are really cool, very much coming back in fashion. But they are not hardy. So you keep them in an orange tree or in your house or a warm greenhouse.

house. They won't survive outside here in the UK in the winter. But they are perennials. They're perennials. They're perennials, but you can't leave them outside over winter. They have to come indoors. And they're gorgeous. They look so lovely in terracotta pots. You know my feelings on small pots, but pelagoniums, look lovely. Okay, hardy geraniums, are banging. And the best place to get them, I get them from a place It's called F-B-R-X nurseries, F-R-F-I-B-R-E-X. Slightly obsessed with them. They have, I mean, watch out because they have so many

and they've got really specialist niche ones. I've just ordered 12 different ones, which is overcommitting, Jo-J. Okay, it's over-committing. Do you think, is there a particular colour that you're the most drawn to? I like to mix it up, but I would say what I'm doing this year. So, I mean, go and have a look on their website because they've got little ones, which are tiny, like, you know, smaller than your little fingernails, but then they've also got these big, fat, frou-frew ones.

So I think you can kind of lean into whatever you've got a five-for, but they come in oranges, reds, pinks, you name it really. We actually did, near my parents' house, the John Innes Garden, it's a conservation area, and they've got this beautiful garden with all these amazing trees. And the garden is there, massive shout out to John Inis. It's so beautiful what they do in these gardens. Every time I go, there's sort of these new plants coming up. And there's this one particular bed that sort of wraps around the gardens that they change up every sort of every season.

And they had these little, what are they called again? Pelaginiums in every single colour under the sun. And they were just, that's the only thing in this bed. But obviously these little low level pops up. But I know it might sound not your cup of tea, but it looked so cool in this setting. It was so beautiful. And then just occasionally there'd be like a blossom tree popping out from, you know. I'll believe you.

As a general rule, I don't like bedding plants in quarters. I actually have a picture of it that I'm going to show you. I think it wouldn't work. Just put it on, we'll share it. I agree that it doesn't work in a garden, someone's garden. But I think when you're seeing almost like a bit of a show garden in a park, it actually looks really beautiful. Do you know what I mean?

I do. I feel there are certain plants. I really don't like that sort of when like loads of bedding plants are put out in the summer. It doesn't do it for me. But I love them in pots. but to each their own. But go have a look at fibrox. When you're choosing your pelagonium,

it's just a little bit of a tip. It's as much about the foliage as the flower because they've got those lovely, roughly little leaves. And also they're often scented. So some of them smell like Coca-Cola or wine or lemon. You know, there's ones which are actually like bread to smell like citronella and they keep away the mozzies. So pay attention to the foliage as well as the flower, I would say.

Amazing. Lovely family-run UK business. Go check them up. Thanks, Paul. And that's quite enough of that, Jojo. Tell me, tell me, my friend, what is in and what is out. Okay, what's in for me right now is actually soft toothbrush heads. Tell me more. I am, again, like I said earlier, I'm terrible with just life admin and looking after myself. And I went to the hygienist, which again, like, don't do every six months, probably do over two years.

Went to the hygienist. She was like, okay, you're literally overbrushing your teeth. And I couldn't find my electric tooth. brush, lost the charger, I can't find it. So I started back to just using a, like, handheld. You know, when you're in a rush and you're running around the house, you're just like, absolutely scrubbing away, you know. Get those gums receded. Oh my God. Well, she basically said that. She's like, you've got no, basically got no enamel left on your teeth. I've got a mouth full of 14. I mean, I'm going to be, I'm honestly going to have to have all my teeth out at some point. I'll probably have completely new gnashes. I look forward to seeing that, my friend. But I have, I've got like a mouthful of 13 fillings and I've worn on my gums away. So she said,

you basically need to start using like basically a baby brush, like a soft, soft baby brush with like a sensitive toothbrush. So for me, that's my now, it's my life. I was like, well, how can I get the enamel back? She's like, you can't. Once it's gone, it's gone. I was like, fantastic. Age 43, literally have scrubbed my teeth away. So yeah, any tips from any dentists out there, please pass them on. Any soft toothbrush? Yeah, I do need to get some soft toothbrush added. That's really boring for me. But anyways, what's in for you? Well, I have fallen down a rabbit hole of there is a TV show currently on called Love Story. It's by Ryan Murphy, who did American Horror Story and all the good stuff.

And it's about JFK and Carolyn Bissette. And it's set in the 90s, Jojo. Oh, you have to watch it. I've seen the adverts for this. It looks really good. I mean, this story is great, but I'm much more interested. The soundtrack is all music from the 90s and the fashion is all clothes from the 90s. And it's like all Calvin Klein because she worked to Calvin Klein.

And it's just the most iconic thing. So in for me is cigarette trousers because she wears them. She wears just like a pair of cigarette trousers, which are, you know, almost like a pedal pusher. Do you remember pedal pushers? I do remember pedal pushers. From the first time round. And she looks chic. Sheik as fuck.

Oh, here's the question. So what would you wear these trousers, cigarette trousers? What shoes do you wear with? It's got to be a loafer, but this is the thing. We're in this weird. Can we just talk about the transitional? Can we just talk about what's? Is this an in and out?

Because we are in a transitional period at the moment, are we not? Where it's like, oh, it's cold outside of the morning. And then you go out and you're sort of winter clobber. And then suddenly by midday, you're sweating like a banshee. Did banshee sweat? I don't know if that's a thing. I think I might have just made that up. Let's say they do.

If they're on paramedopausal, they probably do. So sweating like a perimenopausal banshee. And then it's like this kind of, oh, God, what am I wearing? What jacket am I taking? Am I still in winter gear? Am I not? Potentially they suddenly might get another first. Makes it tough with the shoes, though, doesn't it?

Does. Because loafer, you've got a, nothing worse than a cold toe. But I do, I do like the look of a sock with a loafer. But then you need a different sized shoe, don't you? Because I've just got the M&S, have got some banging loathes. Have they? Really, yeah, they're really soft because I find loafer's really hurt my feet. Yeah, they're really, they're so solid.

These don't. They're like wearing a slip. Okay, right, I need to go and get some loads, but immediately goes online and gets invests in some MNus loafers. That's in. That's in. What's out, pal. The good thing about this is that I go.

get to hear this before anyone else does. So I'm now going to go and buy the M&S. They all sell out. Go and buy them. Right. What's out for me is my glasses because I cannot. I now understand why people get. It's a really nice idea. And you're like, oh my God, I love my glasses. My glasses are so lovely. Oh my God. I love buying my new glasses. And then about day two, you're like, lost them. Can't find them anywhere. Now I know I need them. I'm driving down the motor and I can't really see that well. And I'm like, oh, I don't know where my glasses are. So I can completely understand now why people are like have to obviously get you know get lenses you know they're oh lenses i thought

you're going to see a laser get laser all all lenses to be honest so i mean i cannot i probably need to get one of those trendy little chains that keeps my glasses here because i just keep losing and i keep putting them down and then yeah so that's that glasses that's what's out for me but they're not very good ins and outs but i'm trying to sort of stay off trends you see if you noticed i did notice i did tell me my darling Well, let's pop out. Should we put a self-loathing because we seem to be sitting in that one? Oh my God, can we get out self-loathing? Is anyone else out there? Just an absolute self-beating. Just your shit. You're just a shit person. Your shit friend. Shit, mom. Shit wife. You're just shit. Okay, that's nice. Thanks, Jo-J. That's really nice to see you this morning. Well done. Let's get rid of that, shall we? Let's get rid of that, shall we? Let's get rid of that self-loat. Let's do that. Okay. Well, I think you're wonderful.

Likewise. Let's see how that goes this week, shall we? Best of luck with that exercise. my lover. Right. All right. I love you guys. Have a lovely, lovely week. Bye. Bye.