The Ins & Outs - Picking Toilet Seats & Weed Barriers

Episode Date: June 18, 2024

Jojo educates us all on how you should pick a toilet seat, while Polly enlightens us on planting for dry shade.Then Jojo opens up on "The Mouth of the House"... what to look out for when buying your new front door, before Polly gives us the low down on best practice when it comes to putting in your weed barriers.Plus we discuss a little bit of Harry Potter and donkey dick.InstagramPodcast - @the_insandouts_Jojo - @houseninedesignPolly - @pollyanna_wilkinsonProducer Andy - @andy_rowe_WebsitesJojo - https://www.housenine.co.uk/Polly - https://www.pollyannawilkinson.com/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Green, the colour of true elation Pine on a summer's day See I've been waiting for you, waiting for you Hello my niece and aunties and welcome to this week's episode of The Inns and Outs with myself Jojo Barr and the ever so lovely Pollyanna Wilkinson. On this week's episode I'm going to be hopping up on my soapbox and talking about my new worthy cause. I'm going to be giving you a masterclass on picking toilet seats. Polly's talking about planting for dry shade and weed

barriers. What front door is the right front door? And Harry Potter and donkey dicks. Let's jump in. Hello mate. How you diddling? I'm diddling good actually. I'm diddling good. I've just rushed back from meetings in London today. Yeah, should I come running on, I don't know what at the moment, coffee and fumes. Coffee and fumes. You're looking very glamorous today with your red lippy on. Darling, I've got my new lippy colour on you see. This is a new lippy colour. And actually, I thought I'd treat the listeners because I've just bought it. on darling i've got my new lippy color on you see this is a new lippy color and actually i thought

i'd treat the listeners because i've just bought it actually um i've just bought it from boots and it is the this skin um this fake tan because i've been asked quite a few times what is this fake tan i use because remember i told you that you need i need something with violet in and it's by bondi sands and it's called techno color Sands. And it's called Techno Colour. And it's for a rich, deep tone. I've just bought this today because I was using the light one. And I want to go a bit deeper. I want to go deep.

Go real deep with that tan, lady. Yeah, baby. And where's your lippy from? The lippy. I actually bought it. It's quite unusual. I've never seen it before. They sell cartridges, which you know I'm all for, saving the planet you know wherever i can and i'll bit for the reducing our carbon footprints

wherever possible you absolute eco warrior and this lipstick is called fenty and i came across that i just saw the color and i thought oh that's rather nice and you buy the capsule separately that's cool fenty that's rihanna's brand isn't it oh is it well instead of throwing the whole thing away you just get this little cartridge that goes in when you finish with it apart from that my love how how you catch me out with what you've been up to no tell me more about your life in the know this this stick on you i can't just have lipstick and fake tan give me more news okay um come on do you know what's some big news in my life at the moment I'm very very briefly touched on this on the last uh on the last podcast I think I was fleeting what's what out um and for me it was screen time I don't

know if anyone actually caught on to that but it was for screen time um I've joined a local group and anyone can so it's this amazing grassroots incentive to get our kids off mobile phones away from screens and it's not just uh let's just do it for lols because we think it's bad it really is like 97 percent of 12 year olds in britain have a smartphone and even more startlingly a fifth of three to four year olds in the uk have a smartphone i just can't and then when when children start getting them yeah uh there was no research obviously back way back when when mobile phones sort of started coming out when we were probably when

we were like in our 20s it wasn't really you know that that bad I don't think anyone really knew how bad it was until now and now the evidence of what it's doing to our little one's brains is just like absolutely overwhelming and I listened to this absolutely amazing podcast and it's completely changed my perception of it. Even my kids having an iPad, smartphones are changing the way children's brains develop and fundamentally affecting their ability to concentrate. So they've been linked directly to poor mental health,

low self-esteem, especially in girls. Obviously, I've got two little girls, so this is really worrying for me. Of course, yeah. We spend our lives wrapping our kids up in cotton wool on the outside world being so afraid of them walking out the front door and where they're going and you know but predators don't live on the streets anymore they live in our phones behind you know

behind closed doors that's what we've got to be really really conscious of and really protect our little ones at such a young age from pornography and bullying and grooming and all sorts of harmful content honestly poll the rates of like suicide and you know harming kids little girls harming themselves in such a young age is really terrifying it's i think we're quite lucky in that our kids are at that age where we can get ahead of it and i think people are really starting to open their eyes to the to the dangers of it i suppose but yeah but the idea is the idea of this brilliant incentive and if anyone wants to look at it it's smartphone free childhood it's called and um i would urge any parents just go and take a look at it how old are you all at once fall eight and ten and

they're asking for phones and i'm like as if mate oh my gosh so which you blow my mind with that with that um stat about the really little ease but you know I I the thing it's really interesting actually and just to segue to video games with fortnight which I said about last week my little boys are begging me to play this game and seeing everyone else in my class does and obviously you don't want your child to be the one that's left out and particularly given they've had a tough year I definitely don't want them to be left out and so you're thinking I desperately don't want my child to be the one that doesn't have the thing that everyone else has and you can see you desperately want everyone in the year to agree that they won't get phones for their child I think it's amazing if you can

get everyone in the school to agree not to do it and if we all don't do it then you know we're all the villain to our children together saying no yeah well you've got to not shame the parents and the kids who already have them because we've got time to get ahead of it and say no anyway it's brilliant i would really urge anyone to go and look into it and start start if it doesn't already exist in your area start start a group start you know speaking to other parents about about it. Dude, you are such a campaigner. Oh, to me. Yeah, I mean, just something I noticed about you. It's amazing.

You're such a campaigner, aren't you? I just, you're amazing. You sort of, if something captures your interest or inspires you or you feel passionate about something, you take it and you run with it. It's a really impressive trait. Thank you, my darling. Very in awe of that.

I think when you slightly lift the lid on anything sort of humanitarian, especially when kids are involved, it's very hard to close it again. Once you, my darling. I'm in awe of that. I think when you slightly lift the lid on anything so this humanitarian, especially when kids are involved, it's very hard to close it again. Once you see what you see and once you've opened up that lid, it's very hard to close it again. You know, you want to keep doing more and then people will talk to you about something else and then you're like, oh my

God, that's amazing. I want to hear about that. And then you start talking to more people and learning more and before you know it, you're in deep. I'm in deep. I can't get out. That's far too much of me wassailing on pole now. Come on, it's time for you to catch me up. So the funniest thing online that I did share,

because it really tickled me, which was someone saying plant names as if they were Harry Posh's spells. Give me an example. So it was like, I'm a ranunculus. And then someone came back. This one really got me i mean this is real

garden humor but someone went it's scabiosa not scabiosa they're just oh god i mean just really niche harry potter gardening oh just right up my street let's try one come on let's try one think of your favorite um oh i've got a good one. Come on. My lads have mixed flowers together. Go on then. What have you got for me? I am daffodilus. That's not even a Latin word.

Flomis. Rosaliana. Yeah, I could go on all evening with this. I just want to dress like Harry Potter and shout plant names with a twig. You haven't told me about Bruges. Oh my gosh, Bruges. You have to go to Bruges, pal. Did you bring me something back?

I tell you what, if I could have bought back some cobbles for you, I would have done because the hard, I tell you what, the hard surfaces in Bruges are sexual. Tell me. Talk cobbly to me. You and I would have literally walked around rubbing walls together. I tell you, it's so nice to go home with lizzie and rosie because obviously going away with two designers and we're there we are just like ogling at the beautiful slim these beautiful reclaimed bricks and the cobbles and the oh all the details a lot of people don't actually stay in bruges they

actually go to brussels and stay in brussels and they do a day trip through so the day it's bustling and then at night it's totally dead like there's just no one there um so oh yeah so we recovered it in basically two days we went on a little boat trip up and down the canal well that sounds delightful it's like it's like a southern venice of the north if you like it feels like it's a little amsterdam-y venice-y vibe and it's beautiful really nice and romantic getaway from you and mr big i think you should go right your turn come on come on my love i did a fantastic national garden scheme visit to nep it's near horsham do you know where horsham is isn't horsham still surrey oh i don't know i am terrible you know when people say oh you just need to head north a bit i'm like i don't know

where north is i don't live on a compass sir you know or someone goes oh down down the a216 oh no that's a very old i'm sure that's an old-fashioned thing just go where satnav tells me there's no funny when you ask your parents like how's your journey and they'll give you all the road names of how they got there you know we went down the a1 and then we sort of took a i think we took junction 13 funny junction i was nice petrol station and they'll literally describe their entire route like you know oh the a14 yeah busy though got stuck in a bit of traffic in road work and then we took the a4 and for it joins the m40 yeah yes so that so yes it's in horsham but it's incredible it's um it's a 3500 acre rewilding project it's incredible but the bit that i was focused on when i went for the visit was the walled garden and what is so fascinating about it is all the plants in the wool garden are planted on somewhere between 50 and 75

percent crushed concrete so no soil it's crushed concrete and sand and does that work well indeed it's it's i guess a test of resilient planting so i mean it's a master class in resilient planting i went with mr big and we just walked around just in complete awe taking huge numbers of notes because to see the plants that they had and knowing that they were growing in these conditions that you would think would be completely catastrophic for plants and they're not they're just showing incredible levels of resiliency and just dreamy plants and I was very happy to see loads of the plants I've chosen for my gravel garden were in there but just sometimes I think I'm not sure if you think the same with houses but I think there's quite a lot of clever trickery with photography that can make houses and gardens feel quite unachievable but actually when you go to an

open garden or you go so you're like oh actually no you can see there's weeds and there's gaps and imperfections and you know and it you know nothing's quite as perfect as it looks online but I walked into NEP and I was like, I was actually speechless in terms of the planting is just spectacular. If you can book to go, I highly recommend you do because it's next level. I just thought it was fantastic. Just what a brilliant visit. So that was a very inspiring and wonderful weekend.

I loved that so much. And then other than that, mate, I mean, the house is, I'm being squeezed in the house more and more. So they've taken away both the living room now and they're about to knock down. Now this sounds fancy, listeners, but it's not fancy. I have a very small utility room and pantry. But to say they're a utility and pantry is being kind, is being generous. They're more like a small, cold lean-to from the 50s. They are being taken down. My fridge is in the utility room because the kitchen's too small for it.

So the utility's going, the pantry's going. The pantry has my dryer in it because i couldn't fit it anywhere else so suddenly my little galley kitchen is now going to have a big fridge in it and a dryer it's not going to fit so i'm basically going to have a weird cupboard for a kitchen for the next few months so they're just yeah the space is getting smaller as they knock down more things it'll all be worth it though all be worth it my love it will be worth it it will i'm still enjoying it i'm loving oh my god i have to tell you something that an innie sent us i have to read you this because it made me raw okay okay hold on this is this was in relation do you remember a couple of weeks ago we were talking about how i was enjoying the concrete being poured and they put a vibrating stick in it yes okay so jen messaged in i went to

rent a plate compactor for a gravel patio project and the guy at the counter gets on the radio and calls for someone to load a vibrator for the woman with the gray suv after thanking him sarcastically for that embarrassing call out he says at least i wasn't getting the rod that vibrates out the bubbles in the concrete evidently that one is called a donkey dick i thought you might enjoy that touch of class so what i didn't know as i was getting all excited about the vibrating stick in my concrete is that it's known as the donkey dick so you were getting excited about a donkey dick i mean who wouldn't? I said something remotely funny on social media. I can't remember what it was.

And a woman messaged me to say, thanks for the garden advice. Less of the humor, please. Sorry, what? Blugged you straight away, lady. Go and find a new podcast. Do you know what? People, if you don't like it, don't listen to it. Okay?

If you don't like it, don't listen to it. Okay? If you don't like it, don't listen to it. If you don't like it, stop following it. Just quite frankly, sod off. We don't want you here. Okay? And Andy, don't you dare cut that. Okay? I mean that.

Why do people say that? Less of the humour, Jojo. Yeah, stop being so damn funny, you guys. So funny. Less of the humour, Jojo. Yeah, stopping. Stopping. I'm funny, you guys. So funny.

Oh, good times. Oh, we do have a fun time. Anyway, enough. Right, enough. Okay, fine. No, that's it. That's good. Good questions.

Inside or outside first? Where do you want to go? Do you want to come inside or outside? It's a lovely evening. I always want to go inside. Oh, someone's got a question about toilet seats. No, I must hear this. I have to start with this.

This one's from Mel. Hi there. I've got a question for Jojo, please, on toilet seats. Should you use black or white generally? Also, do you recommend any good brands that don't fall apart? Some are so expensive, yet the cheap ones last five minutes. This is true, Mel. Mel, you're not wrong.

Talk to me about loose seats. There's quite a lot to consider when selecting one's toilet seat let me tell you because you've got i will not have you laughing about such a serious matter come on then that's important got three types of shapes with the toilet well with the toilet you've got round square or d shape and then you can obviously choose wooden or plastic seats stop it yes no seriously seriously it's important there's different different shapes and sizes so when you're going to buy a toilet seat to go on an existing toilet you've really got to make sure

that you're buying the right thing because it's not just any old loo loo seat that you buy online all right so get out your tape measure people and you want to place one end of the tape measure between the fixing holes at the back of the loo and you want to place one end of the tape measure between the fixing holes at the back of the loo and stretch it to the front of your toilet ah your pan okay so that's one consideration is just make sure to make sure to check the measurement of your existing toilet um now the black and white thing to be honest i tend to go black but it's it's much more of a classic look black actually you'll find that white is more modern. Obviously, white goes with a lot more as well.

So I suppose it will blend in more. It depends on you've got a very lovely toilet. Do you not just like a wooden one, pal? I thought you were just going to say wood. Well, here's the thing. No, I will always go wooden because I'm a traditionalist and I love anything basically authentic as you know. So therefore, I will always go wood.

It is worth thinking though, if you do have small children, you're going to want a soft closed loose seat. So anything that's wood and like a nice fancy wooden seat will slam down. It can hurt little ones fingers. Soft closed loose seats are hard to come by in wood, especially really nice quality ones. So just worth considering that when you have little ones, you might want the white soft clothes. But as sort of you know if you don't then I would

I tend to go black because I think it's more classic and I like that look and I will always go wood because I am a naturalist and I like timber on my bottom and is there some way that you can go to sample said seats sort of take them for a test run before you buy lots of bathroom shops that I'm sure you can go and sit on it's very important we spend a lot of time in the toilet don't don't don't mock one's toilet is it frowned upon to do that with with one's bare cheeks i think if you went into a bathroom shop and you pulled your kegs down and you sat in the toilet i don't know if they'd be very pleased but you know how i tell people that they should take their shoes off

and put their feet on the tile just to make sure they like the feel of it? Yeah. No, I think that's slightly different to putting your rear end on a showroom loo seat. But listen, it's important. And listen, plastic versus wood, you've got to treat wood as you would wood furniture. So you can't just wipe it down with bleach.

Otherwise, eventually the varnish will come off and you're going to ruin the timber. So you've got to look after your wood and Lucy. Stop laughing at me. Wipes, obviously. I'm sorry, there's just so many opportunities to say what you think. I feel like I've really gone into depth about Lucy. I mean, my knowledge on Lucyo seats is really quite extensive. You know what?

Just because, and let me tell you, so if you want to go dead fountain in your loo seats, which again, you spend an awful lot of time on your loo. Tell me. You know, don't, I don't think you should skimp on your loo seat. Do you? It's an important bit of kit. Yeah, I mean, you know, my husband more than me,

but she asked about makes, didn't she? My go-to would be like either burlington or heritage really smart lucy's but a good lucy it's gonna set you back how much do you think a lucy costs a good nice quality wooden lucy 120 120 the other thing is you've got to think is that the hinges that are on a lucy if they're not good quality they will rust gotta look after them they just start to rust and look really manky and disgusting. I don't know if anyone's ever had to change a loose seat. It's disgusting.

I've had to change clients' loose seats. Anyone that thinks the life of an interior designer is glamorous, I've changed multiple loose seats from clients' toilets in the past. And it ain't pretty, let me tell you. That must have been a low point. A low point, pal. You know, you've got to do what you've got to do for your clients you know i'm going out to the garden i've had quite enough i need some fresh air after that one i need to go outside out we hop right out we hop this one's

from autilia hi lovelies my parents live on flathead lake in northwest montana in the usa and their house sits against a pretty steep hill that is just full of grass and weeds right now. It's too steep to walk up so it would be hard to maintain any landscaping. I'm wondering if Polly has any landscaping solutions for this other than just weed, whacking it a couple of times or somewhere like we do. Do you know what? We have quite a few

US listeners. Do you know that pal? We do? I know we do. Hi. Can we just say hello to all our US listeners? Hey, shout out to all of our American listeners. We've got quite a few Aussies as well. Right. So very steep.

Too steep to walk up. Tricky. What we normally do on anything where we're not going to terrace it, you're not going to re-landscape it or re-profile it, for example, would be either we plant a sort of wildflower turf on it which is quite lovely because then you've got this amazing sort of bank of wildflowers um which is also pretty low maintenance in terms of actual if you have literal turf then obviously you have to strim it or or whatever to try and keep that short so having it as wildflower med is quite a

nice one because it would only need one cut a year uh or i mean we have been known to plant some pretty steep banks and we usually do so with grasses just to give it that kind of softness that you get from a grass that sort of undulating wispiness in the breeze and again most grasses one haircut a year so it's not completely no maintenance but those are the two options really the other thing you could look at but this is a bit more extensive but we do this when people have a really difficult slope is you can contour the bank so you can contour the land into like a land form kind of if you imagine an amphitheater would be a good example of it so rather than just a slope up and down you go down then out down then out down then out and then you

it makes it a slope a more sort of playful thing that you can interact with uh so that's another option but obviously that's a lot more work so those would be my three options okay we've got one from rachel hello love the podcast makes my my Tuesday commute much more enjoyable. Oh, I'm pleased. I have an innie question. We're thinking of doing lime wash paint in our living room. What would you suggest for the skirting, coving and sealing? Oh, I love a lime wash paint. Me too.

Lime washing is beautiful. It's so soft and romantic. And there's just an array of colours. I mean, just so many colors you can choose um and it gives a really sort of soft sort of plaster finish it's really beautiful and it's obviously i would say it's very on trend again it's been around for a long time but it is suddenly if you remember i think our parents used to do it a long time ago or like rag washing walls and stuff didn't they it was quite a thing so anyway it is a really really beautiful and it can be very

subtle you don't have to make you cannot you can go really quite big with the movements but you can also make it very very subtle the only issue with it is it's extremely chalky and very porous so just be aware that you can't wipe it so once it's on the wall if you sort of mark the wall it's going to be very difficult and you should want to mark. So it does, it is tendency, it has a tendency to mark quite easily. Now, all your woodworks, all your trends, architrave, skirting, anything that needs painting, obviously you can't do that with your,

you can't line wash your woodwork. What you're going to want to do is take your lime wash paint to a paint match company. Because the lime wash paint company won't supply the paint that will paint the eggshell that you need to paint woodwork with. And woodwork, obviously, is the way woodwork is treated is so different. It needs to be hardy. It needs to be wipeable. So walls, you can get away with having a lovely soft patty eggshell emulsion but woodworks it's going to get bashed by the hoover and that's the thing it's got to be hardy so color matching is your answer there rachel can i just check pal

does that mean given how porous it is is it best that lime wash you keep away if you've got small humans that are going to ruin your lovely lime wash with that totally aware if you've got kids or you know forget about it in kids' bedrooms. It's very much a beautiful in living rooms, dining rooms that aren't going to have, you know, furniture or people brushing up against them, I'd say. Yeah, lovely in bedrooms. So soft, so romantic.

Okay, right. This one, I'm going to take this one from Kim Holton. After a six-year house renovation, we did it ourselves. Well done you. We finally got to the garden. Sorry, Polly. It's a big garden. big garden so i my husband has dug a huge border on one side which we now have to fill my husband is telling me that we should put some sort of weed barrier down and then poke holes

for the plants this all sounds all sorts of wrong to me but i lack the knowledge to tell him it's a rubbish idea thank you ken okay the thought of the weed barrier in the in the flower bed makes me shudder so no no no weed barrier in the flower bed with holes in it absolute just a solid firm no imagine what it would get to if if then well for number one loads of weed barriers of plastic no do i think you should be putting plastic in your soil absolutely not but also even if it was one of those sort of fabric-y ones what you're going to do when bulb season comes right because you know i love a bulb and you have to sort of what skewer through every single piece of membrane no like a good mulch will do just the

same thing as a weed barrier and it's going to improve your soil weed barrier no no if i haven't been there no no weed barrier husband no get back she says no put down the weed barrier. No. No. If I haven't been there, no. No weed barrier, husband. No. Get back. She says no. Put down the weed barrier. Okay, I have an any question from Hillary. Hillary Wham. What a great name. Great name. Hillary Wham.

Hi, Polly and Jojo. Love the pod and all your respective amazing content on Instagram. It is so helpful. I've got an any question about front doors. We want to replace the front door of our Victorian terrace as it's run down and has a broken cat flap we don't need door isn't original bit lost about the best options to go for timber versus composite best hardware to use type of paint for max street appeal we've been quoted upwards of eight thousand pounds to replace it so any hacks to keep cost down would

be great too. Front doors are pricey aren't they? They are pricey I mean they're a bloody important bit of kit though your front door is the it's what a lot of people are going to be knocking on it people coming through it, you're going to see it every single day so make sure you like your front door if you're starting from scratch It's the mouse of your house That is right, it is the mouse of your house, your windows are the eyes Oh wow

What's the nose? What was that? Anyway so You my i mean you know what i'm gonna say wood i i i love wood it exudes charm it's timeless uh it can be budget friendly up front but it is susceptible to decay and demands a bit more maintenance so that makes it a little less practical and i am a timber purist therefore value its authenticity um i would rather personally the upkeep so for me it will always be timber composite as just i don't know i just don't know what it is it looks a bit plastic to me but i i get why people do it the longevity it lasts forever i get it i get it no shame there do you enjoy glass in a front door do you like a solid well i will always put glass in a front door where light is needed in the entrance hall so if you really need it it's a

very dark hallway it's the best way to get light in is through a glass you know window however if you're you know right on the street you've got lots of people walking past you might feel a bit exposed i don't i mean i just won't touch frosted glass i just don't don't touch it so unless it's clear glass i'd rather i'd rather have a dark hallway than frosted glass in my door um so okay that's my opinion that and then um i mean i think paint paint for maxim street appeal you've got to go with what suits your house so i love a brightly colored front door i love bright colored front doors especially in like towns and cities brilliant pink doors and red doors and blue door i love it but i think when you come out into the country i tend to say lean towards nature a bit more out in the

country because i don't like anything too jarring so i tend to go with something that's a soft pale green so i'm not sure where your house is, Hilary. But have some fun with the door colour. Just make sure the touch... Can't go wrong with green. Make sure tonally, of course, green. Make sure tonally it goes with your windows and everything else around it. Doors can...

Sometimes people go a bit, you know, a bit sort of out there and then suddenly paint it red and it just doesn't suit the rest of the house or your brickwork. So think about the colour on your house. Think about the woodwork and your brickwork colour. It's very very red don't obviously have a red front

door you know you want to go something maybe even like a black um help sort of tone that red down uh and then hardware i mean again go with something solid make sure you go with something like brass or bronze you want something that's going to really stand the test of time doesn't rust so bronze and brass hardware is going to be expensive, like, you know, decent stuff. But again, you know, you're using it every day and it's really important it lasts. There you go. And yes, 8K is about right for a front door.

That's, I know, you can try and get them cheaper. You might get them for six and a half. That's about right. Yeah, that's about right. Yeah. Okay, Paul, last question for you, my darling. This one's from Collen uh hello atty question please we've got a three meter high fence worn along the back of a garden what can i do to help

soften it i was thinking of painting it black but what else can i do given we don't want to lose too much more garden space to full-on hedging there are two tipiary trees behind the fence cedar and oak dealing all the nutrients from the soil hence needing to build the fence wall in the first place as the hedging behind it is so sparse. The wall is northwest facing and under much cover, so it's slightly shady. Tricky, tricky, tricky.

Okay, this is, so you're basically planting for dry shade. That's tough. Okay, so, and actually we've had loads of questions from lots of listeners about having awkward walls. Ugly walls, ugly fences.

And my answer will always be the same paint it dark and cover and grow things up it just to reiterate what i always say we are not painting it dark for you to look at the darkness we're painting it dark for you then to grow plants on it the darkness is just a it's making it vanish we're making your ugly wall slush fence disappear okay so climbers for shade so if you have brutal dry shade near conifers then the most bulletproof option which is probably not very exciting for you but there are some lovely ones would be an ivy there are so many different ivies and you can get variegated ones which are green with white a white flush on them which is quite nice because it brightens a dark spot but ivies are pretty bulletproof they're also really wonderful for

insect habitat so it's a nice nature-friendly option as well so other other shady options if you can get some moisture and if you've got some irrigation you could go with linicera delavii that's semi-evergreen or okay this isn't actually a climber but we use it to obscure fences and and walls and it's just fabulous would be garia elliptica it looks like um sort of hanging tassels of a of a chandelier so evergreen and then it's got these sort of silvery tassels they look a bit like sort bit like a long catkin. What's it called? Really fabulous. Chandelier-y plant.

So I... Garia. So Gary. Yeah. G-A-R-R-Y-A. Elliptica. A bit like Gary Lineker. Exactly.

That's actually a better name for it. So go into Garn Center and ask for Gary Lineker yes Jojo Jojo's wordplay today is 10 out of 10 and then finally we've got a kebia trifoliata which is uh three-leafed akibia the trifoliata oh I love Latin okay stop it um so those are those are some shady options but I mean given what you've said you might want to go with an ivy okay i think i think we'll draw those questions to an end there what is in and what is out this week well i have some thoughts so in for me i'm very excited about this is carhartt the like workwear brand which is now terribly trendy yeah very trendy which was a kind of a bit

skatery i guess until recently but i've just bought myself some dungarees like brown obviously because she's in autumn brown dungarees and then also these amazing khaki trousers and actually for my work it's really hard figuring out what to wear to psych because if i turn up in a dress i look like a right idiot yeah in a dress on look like a right idiot in a dress on a like building site with earth so and i just wear jeans every day i'm so sick of wearing jeans so actually i quite like this they're quite quite trendy sort of work wearing gardening clothes other than akai there's not a lot out there yeah i like the dungaree look i actually like the long sleeve you know the all sort of the almost the full dungaree look i actually like the long sleeve you know the all sort of almost the

full dungaree i mean i know it's not the season for it but full long boiler suit yeah i love that look not that it ever works for me because i'm six foot tall so anything like that just rides right up my nunny and i get terrible camel toe oh right up your nun a lovely lovely silhouette of your crotch yes that's right delish so anyway and then so what's um out come on well okay so you know i love the tick and the tock um so apparently skinny jeans which i i thought were very much out insofar as i do not miss skinny jeans i very much enjoy having a life without skinny jeans i would never wear skinny jeans again if it's up to me. I'm very much enjoying a balloon jean.

However, apparently the Gen Zers are dragging those skinny jeans. I'm back. I'm so fucking happy to hear that. I love a skinny jean. And I was told that I was so uncool because I was wearing skinny. Yeah, of course you do, old twiglet legs. I want it to go right up and over. Because my belly is like

oh she's had a couple of kids my skin is like it's almost like an elephant's armpit so if i bend over it's you know when you catch yourself and you look and it's all like it's is it crepey is it like a little flap like a deflated balloon yeah it's got those little and it's so thin like the skin the skin on your tummy goes so thin that when I bend over, I can sort of just see it all, like a little envelope hanging down there. So if I have a really nice high waisted rib cage, it goes, and I can just tuck that skin right under there. It's so good.

I do enjoy a high rise jean. On that note, I need to go feed the kids dinner. Oh gosh, yes, same. Goodness me. Right, right. Lovely lovely catching up it's been glorious thank you in these analyses for joining us again this week and i think polly's got something to say isn't she because she always does go on give it to them i wasn't sure what it was i was about to be like sling your hook get down there i would love it if you would like subscribe share pop it on your Instagram stories you can do that that's okay too that could be who you share it with this time why don't we just have like an

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