The Ins & Outs - Rollercoaster Madness & Bookcase Magic

Episode Date: April 24, 2024

Join us for Polly's rollercoaster ride to Paris and get Jojo's game changing tips for dressing a book case.Learn what to plant under big shady trees and find out Polly's process for hardening off.Plus, what has Jojo's husband done to her bulbs!!!!InstagramPodcast - @the_insandouts_Jojo - @houseninedesignPolly - @pollyanna_wilkinsonProducer Andy - @andy_rowe_WebsitesJojo - https://www.housenine.co.uk/Polly - https://www.pollyannawilkinson.com/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Green, the colour of true elation, pine on a summer's day, see I've been waiting for you, waiting for you Hello my loves and welcome to this new episode of The Ins and Outs with myself Jojo Barr and the very lovely Pollyanna Wilkinson. Apologies, we are a day late, but alas we are here. In this week's episode we are talking about Polly's trip to Disneyland, how to dress a bookcase for Sentimentals, planting under big shady trees, Polly's hardening off and why Brad is in my bad books. Let's jump straight in. Hello, mate. How are you doing? Oh, you know, how are you, more importantly?

I'm knackered. I'm exhausted. I took the kids to Disney. We ended our last podcast on that one, didn't we? You're about to go, yeah. And what was it like? Tell me. Do you know what? It was brilliant. I was really, really scared about going on my own. And I wasn't really sure how it was going to go. And there was a big drama in the airport,

actually, because my boys are at the age where they want to sort of look after their own stuff. And they're like, that's my bag, my bag. And I was like, okay, fine, your bag. We went to get on the flight. They put their bag on the floor and then they went oh sorry we're actually changing your gate you're down the other end of the airport and so we raced down to the other end of the airport and realized the bag had gone like they'd forgotten the bag and um I was like what what the hell do I do here I've got two kids under 10 it's a really really crowded airport at that time and like I need to race back and see if the bag so we all ran back together bag is gone oh I was like well this is gonna be a fun flight isn't it with no iPads and um raced all the way back to the boarding and I was like can you just look after

my kids for will I go and see if I can find this bag so I was like what do I do it's just me it's not like I had a partner there to be like you you watch the kids. I'm going to go deal with this. And I was like, I can't keep running around with them. It's such a busy day at the airport. Anyway, I sort of had to go to security and it wasn't there. And then they had to check lost property. Unfortunately, God, they moved quickly. It was literally like three minutes.

It was in lost property. This lovely woman was like, as soon as I opened the bag and saw it was iPads, I was feeling sorry for the mum that had lost them. So found them and what did our parents do before I before iPads play I spy pal lots of I spy which you try doing now see how long that lasts oh Christ I would I would last less time than my children on that one yeah we did we did it on the way down to Wales the other day and we had no Wi-Fi and we were like let's play i spy a lot of it was i spy with my little i something beginning with m was it mummy mummy mummy had that a few times but yeah i think it's amazing that our parents what they what they managed to do but then i suppose there wasn't we didn't know they didn't know anything else

yeah they didn't know otherwise but we found them and didn't know anything else. Yeah, they didn't know otherwise. But we found them. And then we went to Disney. And it was fantastic. Perfect age for it, if you're wondering. Just almost 10 and 8. Okay. Did you go on any big scary rides? I did. And I tricked my children onto some as well because they were reluctant.

And I was thinking like, well, you know, we've come all this way. So we went on Tower of Terror first, which probably was bad judgment on my case, but hey, it was the first one we, we approached. So what's, what's the Tower of Terror? It's essentially a haunted house where you get on an,

a haunted elevator, which plummets, bless them, with ghosts. So it was, just not for me that. I don't know why I thought it would be okay. It's Disney.

Nothing scary at Disney. Did you not just walk around feeling permanently sick? No. No, it was great. But I bloody love a roller coaster. But do you know what's amazing at Disney? The planting. Yeah, I actually saw a few of your photos of that.

I love the fact that you go to Disney and you find planting. Any more catch up news from you, pal? What else has been going on? Well, I'm writing a book. I'm allowed to say that. I'm not allowed to say anything else about it other than I'm writing a book.

Can't say what's coming out. Can't say what it's about. I'm going to put a guess on the fact it's something to do with gardening. I just, I've got a feeling.

Can't comment pal. No, okay. Is it on bulbs? Is there a chapter on bulbs and it just says plant your fucking bulbs. That's actually the whole book. That and prune a hydrangea in the end.

And then it just goes, leave your fucking hydrangeas alone. Plant your fucking bulbs. The end. What else is going on in your life? Well, I'll tell you one thing. I'm just going to quickly back to the bulb topic. Yeah. I went over the top with the bulbs bulbs i'm just going to say that now no such thing i i got overexcited i mean i can tell you something really really bad that my husband did um but some of the bulbs some of the tulips are they just look bonkers they just look silly the colors are wrong it's too much i'm gonna go next year i've decided

i'm gonna go fully pastels next year. Nice. They're the ones I like the most. The dark purples do not work in my rural garden, sticking out of my grass. They look very weird. They need to be in pot. I'll show a picture. It looks bizarre.

I saw some pictures and I thought, you've got some rogue ones in there too. You've had some unintentional colours. They did and I did not subscribe that some rogue ones in there too you've had some uh unintentional colors they did and I did not subscribe that mix oh did you not some of them are like what is that Polly I was really stitched me up here no if anyone remembers last year anyone that watches my Instagram thank you um for sticking around that one of the trees over on the far right side of the garden in the sort of shady bit it's got it's just a very boring part of the garden so we thought i had this bag of bulbs it's pissing with rain sleeting god knows what and it was probably like the 21st of december and i thought i'm just gonna get these bulbs in so i started

we dug these trench these two light trenches around this tree shoved all these bulbs in no idea what they're going to look like anyway all the other bulbs started coming up around the garden and then I kept looking over I thought oh maybe they're just not coming up because it's maybe it's a shady spot maybe it just doesn't like it over there but no it's because my husband decided to mow over them it's about 100 100 bulbs no all with no heads all gone all gone did you see him mowing them over or did you just find them desecrated no he's done he's made the lawn twice um since he since he was able since the weather allowed which is great obviously it makes a huge difference to how the garden looks but i was just i I walked over there and looked down and I was like, oh, that's strange. And then I looked a bit closer and I just saw decapitated heads.

Oh, no. Yeah. So I'm not going to say I bollocked him as such, but I kind of bollocked him a bit. Oh, mate, I'm sorry. All that hard work in the rain and the cold for nothing. Should have seen his face. It was this real look of, I really don't give a shit. It was that kind of look, you know, that sort of face. Fuck you and your tulips, lady. I don't care. I mowed the lawn.

Yeah, I dug the trenches. You know, I did my bit. I'm mowing the lawn. Stop complaining. That's what it was. That was that look. Anyway. And then in other mildly exciting news, I've finally booked my bloody topo survey okay this is good because now you've got the topo survey this means that we can start the design so this is what everything is designed off we've got I presume once it's done it's going to have all the outlines all of your utilities existing trees yeah there's nothing stopping us now baby I'm really excited I tell you why because for me i the hat this is where i've come to realize the importance especially when i think when you have a country house is that the the link between the garden and the home is so important and i've got a really odd setup here

where my driveway my drive is sort of it's obviously in front of the garage but further away my front door we don't use the front door we use the side door and the access points here is so odd because you have to almost come across a patio so imagine you used to get out the car with your shopping bags yeah or if you've got friends over they've kind of got to come across this patio where the extension is going to be and all of the connects like where the new door is going to be it is has to connect with a pathway of some sort it has to be it is has to connect with a pathway of some sort it has to be and I can't at the moment visualize at all the outside of the house and because I can't envisage the garden it's helping me it's it's I'm finding it creating a sort of how's that going to link with you know the entrances where

my boot room's going to be where there's you know so for me it's so important. And I'm buzzing for you to cast your eyes over it. I can't wait. And actually, your garden is really difficult. Any garden where your garden is in front of the house. Yeah. Yeah. For anyone that doesn't know, I've got a back garden, front garden. So I don't really have a back garden. It's where the back is where the bins are. And it's got a sort of a wall and then it's got a sort of rockery bed there's no sort of space though is there all of your space your usable space is all in front of the house all in the front yeah and then that's really tricky into the front of the house yeah and what also makes it really tricky is that you've got um the front door so to speak in the middle of the front of

that house and so you've got that question mark of do you put a pathway in that sort of cuts through because i don't really want to cut through so it's going to be a challenge i'm looking forward to it yeah i mean i'd love people to come through the little gate up to my front door but at the moment the postman does that and he literally has to run across the lawn to come to the front door when actually it's it's all a bit sort of it's all a bit back to front but tricky i'm excited to see what you come up with um and it's also also all about the view this house it's got such a stunning view so exactly um yeah the challenge is on you pal that i'm very excited not excited to know how much it's

going to cost because you said you said it's it's a challenging one for sure um but i have become a bit obsessed now with having a sauna in the back garden I'm finding that more and more with clients at the moment saunas and ice baths I sought sauna and ice baths I think it's because I did it the other day I did I you know I went in Wales I told you I plunged into the ice cold sea yes I then went somewhere and actually did um I'm very excited actually to say that I'm a new creative member at Estelle Manor. It's absolutely beautiful. It's just classy. It's a really special place, actually. It's really beautiful. And anyway, I had the pleasure of going to check out their new spa, which is absolutely amazing. And it's this Ayurvedic spa. So there you go on this journey, sort of this two hour journey through the spa and it's this um aravedic spa so that you go on this journey

sort of this two-hour journey through the spa and it's just sensational and um anyway sauna steam blah blah and then at the end of the journey you've got these this cauldron this hot cauldron that you go in and then it's got two ice baths one was six degrees and one was 12 degrees so i thought right i'm obviously going to go in the 12 i was on my own as well and i thought i'm going to do this i'm going to do this so did my sauna steam sauna steam and then I went in the 12 degree and I was like this ain't so bad I was like I did it I did it for about 30 seconds jumped out went in the hot cauldron then got out and I was like did it again did it for sort of two minutes then got back out and then I got in the six degree one and I sort of felt like bloody

hell I can understand why people are into this fair enough I think it's because you have a sort of luxury hot cauldron to go into afterwards sure but Brad is a big ice plunger he loves it and um yeah so he's hell bent on having an ice bath in the garden and I'm hell bent on having a sauna you get these really cool little wooden lodge lodgy looking things I saw some brilliant ones the other day I sort of fell down a sauna hole um but just tucked in the corner I think other day. I sort of fell down a sauna hole, but just tucked in the corner. I think it's nowadays,

because when you think of a sauna, you sort of think, gosh, that's really luxury, and it is a luxury thing to have. But now there are so many people making them in such a cool, affordable way. You can even get these pop-up tent saunas now. There's all sorts of really cool things. Yeah, I saw some really mini ones, and Gwyneth Paltrow do infrared every day.

Well, I'm sure she does. She's going to live to 2000, doesn't she? Right. Let's do some questions. Okay. This is from Gemma.

Hello. And any question for me, please. I've been listening from the start and haven't heard any advice that covers my question yet. I am an avid reader. And so have quite the book collection. My small home is my attempt of a house line style so greens neutrals and pops of burnt orange and i find putting my books on

a shelf really jarring but equally i love the discussions that come from them um from looking at someone's bookshelves so i'd like them displayed any ideas on how I can do that without them being too loud? Help. Thank you so much. This is so funny because... There you go. Can I let you in on something? No. I'm going to let my podcast listeners in,

my little innies in on a little secret. But for anyone that's watched me, known me for a while, I do this unfunking series and I've just started filming the unfunking. So I'm going to I do this unfunking series and I've just started filming the unfunking so I'm going to be releasing an unfunking series and Paul I know you've been dying getting trying dying for me to do this for ages and I finally got there and yesterday one of the unfunks was exactly this question and it was about what to do with your reading books if you love books and you

don't want to get rid of them and perhaps you might be quite attached to them um you read a book and you actually don't want to give it away but they might have ugly bright covers or something but they might have ugly bright covers and actually it's exactly that i've got i've got a load of books that i'm looking at now that i've arranged especially for this video so you might have to wait a little bit longer to find out exactly how um give a little hint a little sneakeroo so what i would say is that if you have lots and lots and lots of books and they just look a complete mess then take them everything off put them on the floor and separate them into color order

um so you put you got your yellows your reds your blacks greens blues okay and then you want to group them into color don't worry about the height group them into color um and then you literally just pick them up and start putting them back on the shelves and put them blocks of color and it creates this awesome visual flow of color and you've created order the only thing i'd say is that do it in a room that isn't hasn't already got something i don't know like it would work in a quite a neutral scheme but it is going to it is going to be the thing in the room that is going to stand out so you want to do it right but it is such a fun thing to do it's a really like eye-catching fun thing to do so it's brilliant if you have a book collection like that and perhaps you've got a study or

I don't know your bookcase is on either side of your your mantle or something where you can do it, then I'd say go for it. And it's really fun as well, because every time you read a new book, you actually become quite excited about where it can fit into your new, you know, book library. Do you know something that really stuck with me once? When I was training, we had all these amazing designers come to speak to us and one designer came in and I think the question was something like how do you choose which clients you work with and she said I don't work with anyone that doesn't have books in their house. That was interesting. So I would like to just point out when you see projects like mine you are seeing the finished product okay so you're seeing a house that's been dressed within an inch of its life and therefore it's going to have perfectly styled coffee table books and the

bookcases are going to be dressed immaculately and you know they're going to have a couple of books and then a lovely vase and then below you're going to have the same thing and it's all going to look very uniform and some we're not expecting a homeowner to keep it exactly like that when they move in. I would very much expect that clients are going to come and start to put their own things back in. But obviously, if you have everything, it's quite a neutral scheme and you've got those lovely rusts and you've got your olive greens and you've got your neutrals and you have that palette and suddenly you've got a couple of red books and you whack it on the shelf, that is going to be the first thing you see when you walk in the room right so you have got to be considered about these things but gosh i'm i would never design

someone's home and expect them to never ever put anything back on the bookshelves um you know we curate we curate rooms to to work for clients but um i i think a collection of books like that i think is going to be a case of putting them in their own room on their own bookcase have some fun with it even in a hallway i went around to a mate's house the other day and she had this really cool bookcase in her hallway and it was just stacked with all these colourful books that had been ordered and it looked great love that tip okay another one for you my friend from Katie hey I really look forward to your podcast every week you never fail to make me laugh I am an outie but I have an innie question what are your views on handrails we have a narrow

stair rail with walls either side we've lived for ages without one but the small kids need something to hold on to other using their sticky hands to hold them up do we try to make it as sexy as possible fancy fixtures or try to blend it into the wall painting it the same colour love Kate hi Kate thank you very much for listening in. Right, handrails. Now listen, it's important to know that it is actually a regulation that you must have a handrail down one side of your staircase. It is absolutely necessary that you do have a handrail. And there are multiple ways of doing it. And it very much depends on the staircase itself. You've said you've got a narrow stairwell with walls either side. There's a couple of different options for you

here. You can either go with a nice wooden cylindrical handrail that's in a nice oak and that would then have something like a nice sort of bronze fitting and that would go up sort of one side. Or you could do the same but in a sort of painted option. Or you could have a really nice iron handrail. So it would just be a case of getting that made. But that for me would probably be my preference only because they are going to get,

you know, especially with kids, you're going to be up and down it, sliding up and down it, sliding up and down it, sliding it, lots of sticky hands, dirty hands. It's going to get grubby. So something like a metal handrail can look the part

and it will stand the test of time without ever having to worry or clean it. That would be my preference. Right. So question for you, my love uh what have we got here i'm going to ask you this one here because it's tickled me um any plants that goats won't eat we've just had two as pets and they eat everything that's from tuki sam yes, goats as pets, sure thing. Yeah, I mean, the thing with goats is they're sort of widely known to be used to clear vegetation. So, yeah, they are going to eat everything. So, I mean, my initial reaction is, could you sort of pen them into a certain area?

Because otherwise, I mean, you're really limited. Okay, there are some plants that goats apparently won't eat much like apparently deer won't eat them either um so you've got hydrangea which is a great one because most people love a hydrangea sage lavender and mahonia so it's quite a limited palette um which is why i would be tempted perhaps if you can to hand over if you've got sort of a section near the house where you want the planting to be more lovely, perhaps gate it off from the goats. But if they're free range roaming goats, then I think maybe lavender and hydrangea is the way to go for you, which is pretty classic anyway.

So win-win. I bloody love a goat. Me too. Do you know what I tell my kids? And I don't know if I was told this one day, but it stuck with me, that how they clean cinemas, obviously from all the popcorn. So you can imagine after a showing, they put goats in there

and the goats just like, you know, chomp around the aisles and just clean up the place because they like popcorn. And I tell my kids that to this day. Oh, you lost me for a minute. And I thought, which country does this? In Poland, they do it I really wish I'd got ahead of that and actually let you believe that this happened in Poland I don't know why I chose Poland I didn't think they did I was just a bit bewildered

Polish Polish goats love popcorn anyway and then in the movie, you just hear a little meh. We digress. But I do love a goat. I particularly love goats. And especially those awesome goats that climb trees, which is actually not a myth. That's a true thing. I believe actually it's Morocco

that goats climb trees. If you don't believe me, go and Google goats up trees, Morocco, and you'll see for yourself. It's quite a sight. Right. Next one for you, my love um i'm interested to know this actually uh it's tough here i thought um plant planting for under oak or ash tree anna mcwilson that one's from tricky tricky get this one a lot and you'll see

lots of sad plants under these sorts of trees anything that you plant under something like an oak or an ash or frankly a conifer or any large mature tree is going to struggle for light because obviously when the canopy's out then it's going to be in full shade most of the time. It's also probably going to be deprived of moisture and nutrients because of competition from the tree. The tree will just be sucking the life out of the soil and so any poor little plant at the base is really going to struggle. Same with conifers it's really difficult it's very dry and particularly with conifers they're evergreen so it's even shadier than that and often um any sort of conifer i know you didn't ask about conifers but they uh acidify the soil because of every of the needles

dropping so it's really tough plants really so you've got things like ferns, sarka kaka, which we've talked about many times before. You talk about sarka kaka a lot. Look, it's a great plant. That's why. It's sort of a, it's a fairly unremarkable green bush, but it's just a really bulletproof one. So it's one that I would put in shade very frequently. shade very frequently. And then you've got smaller things. So Lyriope, which is a small sort of grassy,

green sort of strap-like, grassy looking plant with little purple flowers, which I think is great if you want a little bit of purple in shade. And Epimedium is also great. A lot of people don't get very excited by Epimedium, but I think they're brilliant. They've got a sort of a heart-shaped leaf and they're great for ground cover. Really pretty.

You'll almost always see them at Chelsea every year. But Epimedium are sort of the go-to for tricky underplanting in shade under trees. So if you want to go bigger, you could go sort of Mahonia and Sarcococca, or maybe a Viburnum. And if you want to go smaller, you can go sort of Epimedium Lyriope or a Vinca. Vinca grows everywhere as well. So try all of them. It's hard to get quite so excited about these very dry shade sort of under planting, but I think sometimes something is better than nothing. Right, mate, I've got one here for you all the way from New Zealand. Danai says, I think it's Danai, I'm sorry if it's not,

love the podcast so much. I live in Wellington, new zealand and i've just bought our first home after three years and 10 failed offers i'm very much an innie and i live and breathe design jojo i'm a big fan thanks my love i love gardens but i just wouldn't know where to start so the question is i love the idea of having a cutting garden full of dahlias, etc. So these have to be in raised beds or can these be straight into the ground like a board garden? Oh, yeah, you don't have to do them in raised beds. So it totally depends on the amount of space you have because, I mean, I've had gardens in the past, my own gardens, where I haven't had the space to put in a sort of dedicated raised bed for cut flowers. So I've actually woven things like dahlias or cosmos through the border because number one, they're great for gap fillers when those things in early summer have gone over and it's starting to look a bit tired.

A lot of cut flowers really come into their own later in summer. So you can absolutely just sort of weave it through borders if you don't have the space like to have that kind of raised bed or it doesn't have to be raised it can just be straight into the ground cutting border so that you can grow loads of different things together which might look slightly hectic when they're all together it's not necessarily a particularly curated mix um so it's sort of often they're out of sight and you go there you snip and then you bring into the house and that way i guess it's almost more like a vegetable patch for plants but you don't you don't have to have a raised edge. You can do it like a border if you want. It's just what I would probably veer away from is doing a full border of cutting flowers because it's only going

to look good for a certain period of the year. And that's why I would weave through if you're going to do it sort of throughout the garden, I would weave it through. And if you want a dedicated space just for cut flowers, I'd put them all together sort of in one section. I have a question here from First Time Renovator. Just discovered your podcast and have binge listened all the episodes. Work has just started on our full house renovation and your advice is helping me so much. So thank you. I have a question regarding door swings. Door swings. I'm trying to change these

so all the doors swing to the outside wall if that makes sense in one room however i have a window which the door would block slightly do i swing the door into the room or just block a bit of light 10 centimeters or so thank you so much jess oh door swings are real it's the first thing i look at on a floor plan so when someone's had their floor plans done, the first thing I'll look at is which way the door swings. Does it swing into the room or does it swing against a wall? And of course, sometimes you get doors that bang smack in the middle of a room, which is so frustrating because the door just opens and then you've got this basically completely useless space of where the door opens and it can sort of obviously block what's behind it. So it's really important to get your door swings right. I will always, wherever possible, try and open a door so that it goes against a wall. And therefore, in this instance, I would say lose a little bit of light because when you're in the room, that's what's important. It's not so much when you're opening the door to go into the room. It's when you're in the room and you're enjoying the room, you can close that door and then you're going to get light. So don't let it eat into your room.

You're just going to end up with some wasted space and looking at a big sort of slab of wood every day. I think that's the questions for this week, pal. Shall we slip into what's in and out this week? What's out is I, and live in within the m25 so it's it's warm but i will be putting out all of my cut flower seedlings and dahlias probably this weekend at the time of listening this this weekend coming i think the last frost has happened here in warm surrey and so yeah it's a great time if you've been growing things,

start hardening them off. Jojo, do you know what hardening off means? Oh, do I? I know what it means in interiors. What does it mean in interiors? I don't know what it means in interiors. No, I don't. Hardening off. What is hardening off? Come on, tell us what hardening off what does hardening off come on tell us what hardening off means hardening off is when you've been growing things inside so my windowsills are currently covered in seedlings which is apparently the only thing which is acceptable and um so hardening off is when you take them outside in the day and then you bring them back in at night because it's sort of you

gotta you know how when your kids start school they don't just go straight straight in. They go in for a morning, then they come home. And then they go in for a slightly longer morning, then come home. It's the same with your plants. You can't just chuck them straight outside. They would go, oh my God, and they would die of sort of shock from the elements because they've been so protected inside in a greenhouse or in your house. So hardening off is the little dance you do where you put them

out in the day and you don't put them in full sunlight because then they can get sun scorched you just put them out in sort of a sheltered not too bright position bring them in and you do that for like a week or two it's really onerous how big do they have to be oh um they need to have their true leaves but really at this point because with i think in the south I think we're past the frosts now um it doesn't really matter you can just start doing it okay because if you think about it plants would start growing naturally seedlings would start growing naturally at this time of year outside so it's more about the fact you have to do it nice and slow nice and gentle um and so I will be I'm

hardening off as we speak right and then in I need to tell you about socks this is such an important thing that I've learned apparently the length of your sock tells you if you're a millennial or a gen z or a gen x oh god you do you watch too much tiktok mate honestly this is not on tiktok this this is not on tiktok if you wear like ankle socks as in the ones which are sort of quite low down to your trainers then you're a millennial which apparently is terribly tragic we're both millennials i don't wear those everyone so yeah but actually you're very good with your tall socks so if you're wearing socks that are kind of above your ankle bone like like the t-store socks like my t-store socks yeah then then you're you're

in fashion then you're like you're current you're on trend you're in fashion but apparently it's terribly tragic to be wearing sort of low, low socks. Yeah, I get that. There's nothing worse. I've got a real thing, actually. I'll tell you what I really hate. I've got a real thing about it. It makes me feel funny. It's when men take their shoes off and they wear those tiny little trainer socks. The little invisible ones, the little dap socks. It's so not okay. I'd rather see a man's foot than see those. That is so unacceptable.

Well, but then there's the she's smell. And his... And his sound's on. And he's laughing in our ears. If you're going to wear them... And he's got a drawer full. Just don't wear them in public. They're so disgusting.

On men, they just creep me out. They're so disgusting. Men just... Actually, anyway, I just think they... I just can't bear them. They're just so ugly. so disgusting on men they just creep me out they're so disgusting men just actually anyway I just think they I I just can't bear them they're just so ugly so that's it you see you need to be wearing we need to be wearing like a bigger yeah and visible sock anyone that was wearing little those little sort of trainer socks just yeah no so what's in this week is high socks oh gosh well what a joy as always as always my darling

as always dazzling and sparkling face oh i do love your face i do love these i do love this podcast it's bringing me so much joy it's bringing me untold untold joy i love it me too and actually innies and outies something we've been pondering we'd love to hear from you of is would you like to see us in person oh yeah oh yeah good question see us do one of these irl we thought in real life we thought we could start doing like little q a um ins and outs panels we just got to find out where we do them evening evening with paulie and jojo yeah what do you think let us know um if you would attend such events. Right, on that note, off you pop. I love you.

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