The Ins & Outs - The Hardest Goodbye, The Deepest Love

Episode Date: April 29, 2025

On this episode Polly starts the show coming clean on her hangover and Jojo opens up about life at home.Jojo answers some questions on letter organising, blending bath towels and catching flies.Polly discussed green houses, pruning blossom trees & the popularity of tulips.This episode is sponsored by Love Your Home, creators of beautifully designed, handcrafted furniture made to elevate every space. From upholstered sofas to statement headboards and bespoke beds, Love Your Home blends timeless design with modern comfort. Every piece is made to order, ensuring quality, style, and sustainability go hand in hand. Click the link to explore the full collection and find your perfect piece – www.love-your-home.co.uk.InstagramPodcast - @the_insandouts_Jojo - @houseninedesignPolly - @pollyanna_wilkinsonProducer Andy - @andy_rowe_WebsitesJojo - https://www.housenine.co.uk/Polly - https://www.pollyannawilkinson.com/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello Inns and Outies and welcome back to this episode of the Inns and Outs with myself Jojo Barr and the lovely Pollyanna Wilkinson. This week's episode is sponsored by Love Your Home. The creators of beautifully designed handcrafted furniture made to elevate every space. It really does from upholstered sofas to statement headboards and bespoke beds. Love Your Home blends timeless design and modern comfort and every piece is made to order. In the UK ensuring quality style and sustainability go hand in hand. So very important to all of us. I have just ordered for myself two Bloomsbury armchairs in an olive green as you know I love a bit of olive green and they are slip covers so I've had enough of my

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to explore the full collection and find your perfect piece loveyourhome.co.uk. In this episode, Polly takes us through her horrible hangover I open up about my life lately. I talk letter organizing, blending bath towels and fly catching and Polly talks greenhouses, pruning blossom trees and tulips. So let's jump on in. Good morning my love. Good morning to you. I'm a bit hungover. Oh my god are you? How fantastic. Where were you? I shouldn't, I've only had like three glasses of wine. That's not a hangover is it? But I feel a bit... I'm afraid it is these days. That's all it takes for me these days. Oh. Makes me a bit of these days. Oh, I used to be a bit of a lusher. I used to be able to just knock back

the old fashions and the marks. And now I, three years like, three years I've got a dusty head the next day. I am little dusty. Dusty head is a shed. Tell me, what were you drinking? No, where were you first? Tell us, where were you?

Oh my gosh, I went out last night. I have to look up where I went because I keep forgetting the name of it and it's so cool hold on one second let me look it up. Was it in 10? It's in 10 which I had to really convince myself to go because even the thought of getting on a train for half an hour now I just want to stay at home and sleep. What's happened to us Paul we've turned into such a couple of nanos, such little nanos. Just full nano mode now, aren't we? I always wonder if this is a period of time where you sort of, is it because we are in

this sandwich generation that we feel like we've got to be in bed by 10, you know, because I'd rather be up in the morning and feeling good. Is it because of our, we've got young children and we're sort of, you know, elderly parents running businesses. Will there suddenly, do we sort of burst out of our shells in like our 50s and we're like, yeah, let's go? I hope so. I hope so. I don't I don't love being sleepy by 9.40 every day. No, I don't either. I feel like a real loser when I'm out and about. I'm like it's 9.34. I'm gonna have to just take myself home because this red wine is making me very sleepy. Bedtime. No, no. No, it was amazing. So I was in town. Four, I went to the Dennis Sever House. I hope I've

pronounced that right. Have you heard of it? Never. Oh my god, nor had I. So it's in Spitalfields and it's a house that has been, I don't think it's been preserved, well semi preserved but then also brought back to that time, of the sort of, oh god when is it? It must be the Victorian times. I'm gonna get the era wrong and be very, it's all candlelit and it's all, it must be Victorian. There were loads of pictures of the old Queen Victoria in it. You're obviously having such a good time. Well, if Queen Vic was in now, you're going to see it's Victorian time.

Basically it's a really oldie worldie house. So you walk in, you wouldn't know it. It's beautiful. You know, the beautiful old houses in Spittlefields and, you know, beautiful dark black door with a knocker and in you go and it's all candle lit and it's all as it would have been then so like these old salons and the old beds and not a down light in sight not a down light in sight my friend down light no just wall sconces low-level lighting I bet it's all sort of dark colors like black walls it was so dark I was thinking actually that would have

been a great time to be alive because you just no makeup required. You'd never you know you couldn't make it out. It was just pitch black in there. No back then it was literally it was it was fashionable to have very very very low lighting and even if you went to drinks parties and even just you couldn't really see each other very much. Yeah you can't almost see. Yeah. God you'd wake up in the morning it'd be like that coyote outfit. You'd rather nile your arm off than wake the person up. You'd be like, Jesus Christ.

You look lovely under one candle. Oh, we've all had a few of those, haven't we? Oh, memories. So, how to be young. What were you drinking? I didn't drink anything there. They don't let you have any alcohol in there. But I was there because Polly Nicholson, who is the absolute tulip pro, had a beautiful sort of Easter in-store there. It was magical.

You should go. And apparently at Christmas it's meant to be incredibly romantic because it's sort of like going into Bob Cratchit's house sort of thing. Anyway, and then we went for dinner afterwards and I was on the Gavi. Oh, Gavi de Gavi. Delish as white. Oh, crisp with a little bit of sweetness at the end.

It was delish, but just one glass too many. Okay, so here's a trick. Here's a trick, gals. If you are out having a bit of the old vino, before you tuck yourself into bed, stir yourself up a dyrolite, a dyrolite or an electrolyte, knock back an electrolyte before bed because you will replace all the salts that the wine is going to try and take out. I often use the ancient and brave true hydration.

That does much the same thing. It's very good. Oh, it's the best. That's exactly it. It's the same thing It's all sorts of get that I mean, I did not do that. I Did not do that. And now my aura ring is screaming at me major signs So if you don't have an aura ring guys what it does It tells you if you're getting sick and it gives you two you've got two warnings You've got minor signs and then you've got major signs and my aura ring is like major signs.

I've actually taken mine off at the moment with everything going on. I thought you know this thing needs to come off my hand because it's right now. I don't think you need to be told. I think I know, I think I know what's going on. How are you? I have had better days my darling. I really have and I'm not going to try and sugarcoat it. My dad is now end of days. He's in a hospice, an amazing hospice. I'm actually going to give them a shout out. St. Raphael's hospice in Cheam and they are literally like earth angels. And he went in on Monday after he basically, I have to tell you we've been so, so so so lucky that he got a bed because a lot of people say

It's really hard to get a bed in a hospice. Yes, they're so overstretched in the community and in the hospices. They're limited on beds But they were so amazing to get him in because he so needed it. He couldn't he couldn't have helped him more at home And he's in the right hands and we've been by his bedside with him every single minute every waking minute we wake up with him in the morning we put him to bed at night and it's the I'm gonna cry in a minute it's the hardest thing I've ever sorry god sorry it's horrible because you just see someone that you love so dearly and I think because my dad's battle with cancer has only been quite short-lived. So quick, so quick. He was diagnosed on the 24th of December and it's only been four months

and it's just pancreatic cancer is just vicious and it takes every good thing away from you and I think it's been seeing the decline happen so fast it's you know because we've been with dads of the whole time, every sort of step away, went through this sort of we're going to beat this, we're going to beat this, we're going to beat this. And of course, when you have to succumb and realize that you just can't battle it, it just was too much for him.

And he and it's the sad thing is, is that 50 percent of people with pancreatic cancer die within the first three months. My God, there isn't nearly enough awareness, there isn't nearly enough funding. It should be taken off the rare cancer list and put on the common cancer list because it is. I will be that person that's going to be waving a purple pancreatic cancer charity flag for the rest of my life because I think it's not nearly spoken about enough and they're trying to bring out a breath test now.

Anyway, so dad's really all behind wanting us to do that and stuff for him but I think now we've got a matter of days left with him. And it's very precious because I've got to know my dad in ways that I never thought I would and I'm grateful for these days that we've had with him and I will forever hold these, you know, these days close to my heart. As you know, Paul, I'm a bit of a glass half full person and I will always try and find joy in every little moment and luckily my sister's the same and I think we will, you know, my sister, my mum and I just have, we somehow made it sort of muddled through but everyone that goes through this, I just, it's incomprehensible. You never ever, you can never prepare yourself for the pain of what you're going through watching a relative you love so much struggle with cancer.

It is just relentless and horrible. And I just, yeah. But there we go. So lots of plans being put in place. We've had time to talk about his funeral and where he wants to be. And yeah, sadly didn't get to to do the balloon ride but we'll do it in his honor one day. Oh yeah it's heartbreaking but I'm so angry at life for you I'm so angry for you. That's the hard thing is hearing him say that I think for anyone that's been through this it's sort of sometimes I think you take on actually I'm just I've just studied I was coming home from the hospice last night at midnight and I was like how am I gonna cope with this grief how do I cope I don't know what if I should see someone about this I don't know if I should speak to a counselor do I deal with it myself how do I cope with

the grief that I know that is about to hit me like a tidal wave and I suppose when you when it when dad was diagnosed you start the grief process because you know you're going yes you come you, so I'm almost going through it But I know it's gonna hit me like even harder when he's not physically there with me And I was holding his hand yesterday and looking at his hands and hands. There's something about hands that you think God I'm never gonna hold that hand again It's like I've literally been taking photos of his hands because I I'm gonna miss them so much And anyway, so I was driving home and I pulled over and I was like, I've got to list up, because it was an hour and 10 drive back last night. And I sort of thought

I'd look up something that I can just listen to to try and help with grief. And I looked up Managing Grief, Googled it. And Jeff Brazier's book came up, which is- Jeff Brazier of Jade Goodie fame. Jade Goodie. It just randomly came up. And I'm not a follower of his, I don't know him, I know he's a presenter and he's got really sweet voice like Essex Boy. And it's Jeff Brazier, The Grief Survival Guide and I just got it on Spotify and I started listening to it and it's, really good. It's really good. And that's been like even just listening to things like that, just to help me understand that it comes in waves, hits you like a tidal wave, cry through it, go with it and then come out the other side. And you almost become friends with the, you know, your grief manager, you have a chat with them, let it out and then say, right, mate, can you leave the room now, please? I need to get on with my day. 100%. out and then say right mate can you leave the room now please I need to get on with my day 100% that's kind of what I'm so that's that so um I'll share that book by the way for anyone all that

that guide for anyone that wants it but anyway my love the next time I speak to you sadly I'm sure my my dear dad won't be with us anymore but he'll be up there no looking down and what a dad he was so there you go oh my love there's there are no words. No, there are no words. There are no words. Just you guys being there, the lovely poppies you sent me the other day, Paul, was such a total delight. Polly sent me these, I've never had anything like it, this really light box arrived on the doorstep and it said flowers. I thought, what's this? And I picked it up, you know when you pick up a box of flowers you expect it to be quite heavy. Have some hair.

It was so light and I was like what she sent me like one stem. Yes, a single rose. So I cut this thing open and it was like delicate delicate delicate all over it and I cut this little and this paper fell apart and inside was a bunch of a posy of pollies, a pollie, poppies. A pollies, a pollie, poppies. It was these wild poppies and they were so beautiful, I cannot even cope. Even the arrangement process took me about half an hour just to put each little stem, snip it off, put it in a tall, skinny

vase. It was such a precious little moment that I had. I can't thank you enough, Paul. They were just up in my bedroom now. They're all sort of slightly I had. I can't thank you enough, Paul. They were just, and they're up in my bedroom now. They're all sort of slightly falling apart. I'm quite sad I haven't been here enjoying them the past few days, but thank you. Little things like that, and just your messages, all of you, my lovely innies and outies, I can't express again enough thank you

for all your lovely messages and kindness. I know so many of you have been there yourselves, and sometimes it helps to hear other people's grief in a really weird fucked-up way Where there is a big horrible shitty club that you don't want to be in but you're in a club and god It's so lovely and comforting to have people just Sending some love so I love you all. Thank you so much. Sorry for the tears Never apologize for tears never It's a very small moment in time I'm in a very weird groundhog day a moment in time that will pass and

right now it's the only thing that's a priority so life is very much taking a hold. My team have been phenomenal absolutely phenomenal I love them dearly and they've been incredible and just I'm grateful to my clients for being patient as well. So It's a strange thing as a mom as a business owner as well though Isn't it when something comes up something as important as this comes up and it's everything else needs to stop but it can't stop But it's sort of yeah sort of needs to stop Yeah, but like, you know, you still got to put the girls to bed or you've still got a answer an email or

I mean luck is weird. Brad's been extraordinary. Brad's been extraordinary and he's... I've spent the last four days staying at Mum's house just so I can be there for her and I'm literally in the hospice every day at the moment. So I can actually, the hospice has said that I can stay overnight. We can literally pull up a bed next to Dad if we want to stay in the still with him. Oh, that's can stay overnight. We can literally pull up a bed next to dad if we want to stay. Oh that's nice. Okay. Very, very special. So thanks to all the hospice team as well and also to be

honest anyone that works in hospice or in palliative care is quite honestly you are earth angels. I don't know how you do it. You are phenomenal beings. What you witness and the things you go through for other people not even your own family members. You are extraordinary Amazing people. Thank you Dude, you've got a clan behind you. You know that thanks, and In these outies and in between ease we are going to take a bit of a break because I think Jojo probably needs a little bit of space

to not podcast. So bear with us if we don't turn up for a week or two, you know why. I've got something fun though, haven't we, in between, just to give me a week or two, just to sort of catch my breath guys, but Polly is inviting someone on the show. We've got to wheel out Mr. Big. Colin is going to be coming on the show to fill my boots for one week. That's okay everyone. He's very tall too like me. But they're going to talk all about gardens.

So I hope all you innies stick with that as well because it should be fun. Yes, you'll learn something and you can hear the famous voice of Mr. Vig if nothing else. So we'll do one of those. Let me ask you something, Paul. Is it just me or have tulips become very fashionable or have they always been? Well, I mean, I've always loved them. But do you feel like they're like as popular as Dahlia's now? I feel like that's what's happened with tulips. It's become like everyone's gone a bit tulip mad they become they feel like they're way more accessible and they're everywhere everybody just i mean they're so good i mean they're so good they're so good aren't they the judging is i was back at judging this week good to see those tulips they're all coming out some really interesting ones this year actually i'm going

to share so that's i think that's what it is the variation of them is quite spectacular and each one is so different aren't they? There's so many different ones. I mean some of them are absolutely hideous. But I've actually started getting a tulip subscription for the spring. Me too! Have you? Monson. Smith and Monson? I probably was, yeah Smith and Monson. They are extraordinary. Aren't they? They are so cool. Yeah because I was like I you know, I just wanted to have flowers in my house

at all times. British-grown. And they're just beautiful. British-grown tulips. Banging. Yeah. So, right, should we do a couple of questions? Let's for God's sake.

Let's jump on in. Okay. Right. I, oh yes, yes, yes, yes. I have a question for you from Kelly. Do you have any nice storage ideas for letters and paperwork? I have a constant pile on my kitchen worktop. Same. Not so keen on the wooden ones. I've been on, I've seen online ones that say letters. Thank you, I love the pod. The dreaded pile of stuff that needs to be addressed on the kitchen island Okay, you're gonna hate me for saying this don't tell me to be organized

Yeah, Oh bugger off. I know I just I'm slightly of the mind that but then I guess there's certain things You're gonna want to do. I'm a real put them in a file. Okay If you I do like doing that straight away though pal. No one's like If you I do like doing that straight away though pal. No one's like I do like this in a folder straight away I mean, I know but I think you open it definitely like obviously recycle your envelope put it in a tiny little pile I tell you what I I've I have got that's I do have the odd letter that I know if it's something I have to deal With I have a single pile. I'm not one of those like multiple piles. I single pile things I have a little round basket, of course, of course Jojo has a basket. I have a little basket in the kitchen that sits in the corner and everything kind of goes in that one

basket and that's my place that I put things that need dealing with or sorting out. Like it could be a remote. So the to-do basket. It's a sort of to-do basket, like yeah it's like a remote that's run out of batteries or one of the kids needs We'd fix something I just stick it in the little basket And I do tend to just stick my letters in there that they get dealt with but I try not to let things Yeah, I just feel like if it's if it's not real

Is it really needed to sit there that letter? Does it need to be or is it just best dealt with and put in a file? I mean in my house the post comes in it's opened and then it's left On the kitchen island for the next two weeks until Colin and I get frustrated with it and put it in the bin Exactly. It's such a funny thing isn't it with letters with post it comes in and you feel the need to keep it You just look at it. You're like that that should I need a reminder. Just Whereas actually just oh and then it takes a couple of days and then a couple of days goes around and you're like, oh fuck, I can just throw that away. I'll just throw that away. Freedom. Oh god, I don't need

that. I'll throw that away. But it takes almost like your brain to go do like a full 360 if you don't need that. Oh okay, cool, done. So is there like a specific basket we're aiming for here? Is it like a flat-bottomed situation? I mean you're better off with going something a bit sort of, you know, low, low, low sides so that you can kind of see what's inside it. And then low side square that you can, enough to be able to put a folded letter in and all your other bits if you want to just keep things away. All right, Kelly, get a basket. I didn't want to.

Get a basket. The letter, the little, sort of little wooden letters that say letters on. They're a little bit sort of old fashioned aren't they? I'm not sure about those. Oh what, like the little sort of flotty things? Where you keep your letters is extremely subjective. I appreciate, you know, everybody has their own, that would be my preference. Okay, fine.

Okay. Okay. Sold. Alright, I'm going to run out to the garden and I'm going to ask this question from Abby. Abby's asking, hi Jojo and Pollyanna, your podcast continues to be my favourite time of the day on the school run so thank you so much. An outy question for you, I'm thinking of getting a greenhouse in my garden but have no idea where to start. Is there a particular place in my garden where I should put it? Does it have to be a super sunny spot? What are the do's and don'ts and any suppliers that you'd recommend

highly? Well, I know the last one, what you're going to say, but do you want to start with that? Yeah. Well, obviously Alatex. Love them. Well, that's what I have. So it would be weird if I didn't say that, wouldn't it? They're amazing. They are premium. They are a luxury, I would argue, like really special pieces. So there are obviously more lower cost options out there. So if on more of a budget, then have a look at the likes of Rhino, do good greenhouses as well. But right. Okay. Position of a greenhouse. By its very nature, you need a greenhouse to be in full sun. Like nothing's going to grow in shape.

And full sun is six, six hours. I've learned from my mate Polly, six hours plus. Very good. So I mean, in that regard, it needs to be in a sunny spot. I don't want to say it needs to be west facing, it needs to be south facing, because I think, you know, it totally depends on the location of your garden, how open it is, how shady, but yeah, it needs at least six hours of sun. It's sort of more or less this time of year is when I would start saying that, you know, we, I judge full sun in sort of mid-June, but you know, where are we now? We're nearly in May. More or less, like, look at your sun now. It needs a minimum of six hours because your greenhouse is a place where your plants are growing it means you can start things earlier but also it means

that you can grow things like tomatoes and they'll be obviously much warmer so they can't be in shade they need like levels so the other than that there's no they really do need they need they do need six hours plus 100% yeah you can't have it has to be a full sun situation. So as long as it gets that, that's fine. And then I mean, I guess any other position is really around use and views. So do you want to see it from your house or do you want it to be like a big reveal? So you might hide it behind a hedge so it's in this sort of separate room.

Have you, are you going to have sort of cold frames around it? Are you going to have cut flower or vegetables beds around it? Because you might do or you might have them in a slightly separate space. So think about the context of what's going to sit in and around it and think about where you will see it from the house as well. Because I think greenhouses can be really beautiful focal points and something that you really want to draw the eye to. But also depending on the style of greenhouse, they could also be kind of slightly dumping ground, slightly messy and hectic. If you're like using it properly just to full on grow

and you don't really care about the aesthetics, then arguably you probably don't want to be looking at it because then we're sort of waving at shed territory, in which case I would tuck it away more and choose somewhere sunny that you're maybe not looking at if it's a utility Greenhouse as opposed to like, okay prettiness. I think there's a balance. So but other than that, I mean Sun is key Okay. Yeah, great. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. My love. You're welcome. It's really good question I have a question from a gentleman caller

Gentleman listeners. I love it. Hello, Martin. Right, he has an inny question about bath towels and bath mats. Martin has got a bathroom with beige and ivory checked tiles on the walls, similar to my kitchen splashback, he believes. Okay. Beautiful. And a vanity and bath covered in burgundy tiles.

Oh, sexy. Hello. I love that. I've been meaning to update our towels to fresh green tones with stripes, perhaps to better match the house, but would you recommend going consistent throughout with towels or do you mix and match? Or does it not matter?

Okay, so here's something you need to know. Here, let's go. I'll let you in on something here. I do not ever use white towels ever because they just get great and when you go to a hotel you've got a beautiful fluffy white towel. Yes. They are just going to get absolutely trash bagged. They ain't staying white long are they? They ain't staying white. There is something on your body that's going to leave a nasty smutty stain. So I tend to either go a sort of a beige sort of towel or indeed a lovely stripe or something with a bit of, you know, something going on. And therefore

you kind of, yeah, white is a great way to freshen up if it's all feeling very sort of murky but it doesn't sound like you've got any, you've got ivory and beige, Martin, and then you've got this lovely burgundy. With the burgundy. So you sounds banging. Yeah. So if anything, I would sort of go almost lean into the beige towels, which I think would look lovely. But then I really love the idea of these suggested bringing green tones in the stripes.

Piglet in bed, do a wicked towel. That's exactly in my mind. I can literally picture it. It's this really lovely green and taupe stripe. And it's really nice to do some matching dressing gowns. Sounds like that could be up your street piglet. Move quickly. So have a look at them.

But no, I think in this instance, I think it sounds like, have a bit of fun with it. In a small bathroom, I wouldn't go too crazy with patterns and start, you know, and patterns, but I would, you can definitely mix up your bath mats and your towels, but I would just make sure that I can keep the tones the same. I want to see a picture of this bathroom because it sounds really cool.

You know what? I really want to see a picture of the bathroom. Martin, please send us a picture. And okay, so if not, so general rule, don't go white, go like beige-y, oatmeals. Go with beige. Go the way of the sofa. If you also not feel, it doesn't feel sacrilegious when you wipe your face, no matter how much makeup, you know, wash, how much wash you use, how much you, yes, or your ass.

No matter how much you wipe your face or ass with the towel, you know, clean it first. When as soon as you wipe with a white towel, you can see there's always remnants left on that towel so you're using a lovely beige towel. Ladies and gents we use one for our face one for our bottoms don't we? Love it. Do you not? Like face that's what face towels are for people. Hang on what so you I don't. Hang on, what? So you... I don't... I haven't really thought about it. So I've got my bath towel, so there's the... So you've got your bath towel? Yeah.

Which is what you wash your body with when you get out the shower and bath. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I don't use that same bath to wipe my face in the morning. No, OK, sure, sorry. Or at night, if I'm washing my face at night, don't reach for your bath towel, people. That could have been anywhere. To wipe your face.

Right. Just take a think about that. Just take a pause. Think where that's been. Has your husband been using it? Oh, don't. Stop it. Or indeed your wife?

Okay. Let's just stop. Yeah. Reach for the hand towel. You know, reach for your face towel. There's a reason we have hand towels. Oh, we have fun, don't we? Yeah.

You suddenly start getting sort of a bit of conjunctivitis or a bit of red eye, pink eye. The old pink eye. The old pink eye. But it might be because you've been using a bath towel to wipe your face at night. Okay, great tip. Smutty. Good.

Okay, well we look forward to seeing that picture of the bathroom. Okay, another one outside. Helen's asking, can I still prune a cherry tree even though blossom buds are there? No. Good question. No, No, good. No Helen. No. Oh No, I feel like you weren't very into the winter podcasts No, Helen go back and listen again, no No

Just a firm and solid. No, is that is that no, you know Should we move on to the next question if I wasn't being clear? No, I think you do not prune trees in Now no, well, I mean Sorry, I just I can't think of any other way to say and You're gonna sacrifice all your blossom Okay, so go back in time and prune it in winter when I told you to Okay, so it's a once a once a year pruning job and it's in the winter.

Sassy isn't it? I don't mean to be rude. I love it. It's not being rude it's just being sass queen. It's not the time. You're gonna lose all of your blossom. I mean by the time this comes out we've probably missed the boat. I hope you didn't prune it. Oh yeah okay. Sorry if you did. Thank you. I generally, sorry I'm being difficult, prune we prune trees in winter, okay? When they're not inactive. Helen, you've got to tap on the wrist, tap on the wrist. You've got to slap on the wrist. Oh. Do better. Sorry. No, sorry. We're all learning. Okay. I've got a question from Anne. Hi, hello Anne. She said I've got an in-betweeny question. How do you keep flies outside with the door open in a stylish not plastic way? Oh god I fell out these are the funniest questions today. We've discussed my opinions on keeping letters, my opinions on baths.

And now to keep flies outside. I've never thought about it. I feel like I'm being such a bossy bore because by the way, when I everything I say take with a pinch of salt because do not for one minute think that I do half these things. I honestly don't know what you're going to say. I would say to effectively keep flies outside your house then you need to prioritise sanitation and remove food and breeding sources. So if you've got food left out the only reason flies are coming into your house is because they can smell food.

Is it? Nasty. Yeah. I've never thought about it if they can smell trash containers they maybe they can smell your cat if you got wet cat food on show cat you know dog food if cat the only reason they're coming in is because they can smell your your trash you know you've your rubbish are you calling Anne dirty that's aggressive if you're having the odd fly whizzing through the house, it might have got stuck in there. Then okay, let's okay. So there are obviously let's go down the route. If you're a very clean person, you've covered your food, you've cleaned your spills,

you don't leave any pet waste out and you dispose of your rubbish regularly. Ann lives near a dairy farm. I missed that bit out. Oh, that's your problem. She lives in a French cottage near a dairy farm. So there's probably a fly situation. How delightful also. Can we see a picture of that too? We want Martin's bathroom and I want a picture of this good, that sounds like an absolute scene.

Oh a French cottage, lovely. Gosh how gorgeous. Okay so no, to be fair it's nothing to do with that. Yours is the issue of the cows, cows, feces. Is that why people in other countries have those sort of beaded nets? Yeah the be on across the doors. Yeah. Is that why? I haven't really thought about it.

Yeah, that's why I took a look at that. It's the same if you go to a butcher's. They have them in butchers because you don't want flies flying into a... Oh, of course. Yeah. Well, there must be a chic one. You should know this poll, but fly repelling plants. Did you know that there are certain plants like basil mint lavender i was going to say i bet lavenders on that list so aromatics

then quite strong yeah flies don't like flies don't like those you could either hang especially if you're in france you can hang all sorts of lavender around the house and like little those lovely little posies of um it's twice i've used a word posy on this podcast today i don't know why that's come to me again it It's not posy is it? It's a tie. Would you ever do some sort of like wafty linen something or some sort of like essential situation? In what sense? I'm just sort of thinking like, you know, if the solution worldwide is to do some sort of like beaded curtain and that's obviously that must be an efficient way of doing things right when they wouldn't do it

Is there like a are you asking me to design you asking me to design a house nine? fly curtain yes Yeah, I think there's a gap in the market. I think there's a huge gap in the market. Okay trademark that now I should get onto the team Monday morning and Insist that we put this at the top of the agenda. You could make it out of tiny wicker baskets. Mmm, lots of little strands of wicker. Guys, seriously, you can use essential oils, citronella, lemongrass, peppermint, eucalyptus, those sorts of things. If you want to do this

tastefully, obviously these are all things that are tasteful, sometimes they'll stop working, you've obviously got to make sure you top them up and all that sort of stuff. Otherwise you've got to go down the flytrap route. So fly traps, sticky paper, but it's pretty gross because you're going to see these flies like stuck on there, which is, there's no nice way around it. Or one of those buzzy things. Or buzzy, yeah, one of those, yeah. Are we allowed to condone that or is that anti-nature I think that's fine Paul I

think that's because you could actually then shake the flies out and go and like scatter them outside you're putting them back in nature okay I would never do that okay never do that and but I think we're allowed to kill flies aren't we I think they're a bit of a pest like as we've got that tennis racket you press the button you know yeah zap them with the whizzer the fly zaps fly zapper but they are just a pain flies are just gross hate them do My kids have got that tennis racket that you press the button and you'd... Oh yeah. Zap them with. The whizzer. The fly zaps.

Fly zapper. But they are just a pain. Flies are just gross. Hate them. Do you remember last summer I had a real problem with them flying around my study window? I don't know why though. I do remember that. I was just always here.

Yes. Like flies are on shit. Maybe it's saying more about me than the flies. Maybe. Okay. Shall we leave it there? Let's leave it there my love. That was a lovely catch-up and it's been so nice to see. To be honest guys, I've been so dipping in and out of work and Polly was like, are you sure you want to do the podcast?

And I thought, do you know what? I actually really do. I enjoy doing it. I love a catch-up with you and it's such a lovely hour of just switching off and it's great. So on that note, my darling, we are left with just one more thing. What is in and what is out? I'm so glad you asked because I wanted to talk to you about this Tell me. In for me I'm feeling the need to purchase some mesh shoes some like ballet shoes with an open weave I've seen these before and I'm not sure how I feel about seeing toe, but then I don't like my toes You've got good toes?

I have what my parents call greyhound feet. Oh, you're lucky you've got little whippet feet, have you? Long toes. Is that good? I don't know if it's good. Apparently we have very good dance. We're very good in bed. Is that right? I think that's with somebody with really bad toes, make that up, just to make us feel better. Why are your toes bad? What's wrong with them? They're not they're just like twiglets I've got to I if I if my hands stopped working I'd be okay my feet work my feet

would function well as hands. Do we have matching feet? I can just do this I can do this with my toes can you do this can you wiggle your toes? Jojo is wiggling her toes like she's tapping her fingers on a keyboard. Yeah I can literally move my I once once I went to visit a very good friend of mine in New York. And we were sitting up on the rooftop. And then we were so pissed on Margot Eater's and she passed me a box of matches. And she said, I dare you to open that box of matches with your feet, pull a match out and light it. And I did. I bet you did it with no problems whatsoever. The things you can do with your toes. Absolutely no problem. Yeah.

We will share that on stories as well. your toes. Absolutely no problem. Yeah. We will share that on stories as well. We will absolutely not. You charge a lot of money for that my friend. That could be an excellent side option. Only fans. So for me, yes, I haven't found the right ones yet, but I'm in the market for a pair of open weave ballet shoes. I'll keep you posted when I find the ones. How about you? Do you know what's, okay, I am gonna stick on with clothing actually. When this period of my life is past,

I feel the need, I just wanna do this thing or I just wanna like shake it all off and I just wanna like pull everything out of my wardrobe and just get rid of it all. And I know want to like pull everything out of my wardrobe and just get rid of it all. And I know that sounds like obviously like vintage and charity shops, but I just almost want to capsule my wardrobe or start again. I just almost want someone to go, Jojo, we need a whole new look. I can, you know, they say when people go through sort of mad grief, people chop their hair off, they do crazy things. I'm not going to go crazy, but

I just feel like I need a little bit of a spruce up. I haven't bought any clothes in such a long time. I haven't bought myself anything really sort of treated myself or and I've almost forgotten how to just make myself feel and look good. So you need to bring a little joy in, a bit of self care. We need to really get that winter wardrobe for you as in winter color not winter season. I'd love to walk in somewhere to like a personal shop and somebody just take me around my favourite stores and just tell me what looks good on me. In your pretty woman moment. Because I'm a person, yeah, I like shopping on my own,

you like that, I love to just browse on my own, but then I never know if I might pick up the odd thing, but then it's like I've just bought one more random thing that doesn't go with everything else I've got. I love this. Anyway, so that's that for me. And what's out is, what's out my love, well it's me isn't it? I'm out

So I'm out. I'm checking out for a week or two Colin stepping in what's out for you Weirdly out for me is actually Yesterday morning. I had the morning off and I tried on every single pair of jeans trousers dresses Oh in my entire wardrobe and because I don't know about you my weight fluctuates so I've got the big jeans and the small jeans and at any one time I might be in the big ones or the small ones so I have packaged all the ones that don't fit I haven't thrown them away because I know

they're coming back you know one way or other I'm going back one way or other so I put them all away and then I've had a massive cleanse I have got so much to put on you do vintage don't you is it vintage I need to use I've never used it I've always been an eBay girl but I'm gonna list it all loads of like top shop jeans which I've just shared with our you should share it with our in-betweenies because... Yeah, because... I don't think I could take the judgement. ...I'm actually sharing the winter.

All the things I'm getting rid of, they're like, oh my god. Actually, I've been eating so many cakes and chocolate and shit, I haven't been looking after myself. And I went to pull on my 501s the other day and I pulled them up and I pulled them up so hard that I ripped the crotch right wide open. Hello. Totally, like I've put on weight and all, I think my body shape's changing, that's pretty normal I think this time of year.

I think it's age, I was trying on all these jeans that fit me last year and they don't fit, I'm the same size but they don't fit, I think I'm getting the spread. That's odd, the shape. The middle spread. It is. It's the, it's the sort of thighs and the hips sort of start changing. Yes! Yeah, everything starts, yeah, appling.

We apple. We apple. We're appling out, my friend. We're appling. Let's lean into it. Let's embrace it. Out for me is all my old clothes. Excellent.

So we have a good old cleanse. Now, we love you. Look after yourself. We love you. I shall keep everyone abreast. Thank you, darling. I love you guys so much. Sending all my love and kisses and hugs.

And don't forget to like, subscribe and share. Yeah. Oh, bugger that. No, but seriously do, because we need you. Oh God. Oh, I love you, pal. Alright, big hugs. Thank you, my darling.

I love you. Bye. Bye. Bye.