The Ins & Outs - The Perfect Pantry and Curved Patios

Episode Date: November 5, 2024

On the show this week Jojo talks us through how to create the perfect pantry, while Polly gives us some great advice on building your patio.Jojo striped tiles and what you should think about when you pick your dining room chairs.Plus, Polly gives some great advice on how to hide your heat pump and when you be cutting back your salvia.Pre-order your copy of Polly's book, "How To Design A Garden" by clicking on this link https://geni.us/HowToDesignAGardenInstagramPodcast - @the_insandouts_Jojo - @houseninedesignPolly - @pollyanna_wilkinsonProducer Andy - @andy_rowe_WebsitesJojo - https://www.housenine.co.uk/Polly - https://www.pollyannawilkinson.com/Pod Rowe Productions - https://www.podrowe.net/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Hello Ineos and Outies and welcome to this episode of the Inns and Outs with myself Jojo Barr and the ever so lovely Pollyanna Wilkinson. On this week's episode Polly takes us on a trip to St Ives. I talk perfect pantries, striped tiles are they in or out and dining chairs for grubby kids. Polly talks us through curved versus square patios, shielding air source heat pumps and cutting back salvia. When is it too late? And this week, I bring a little special guest onto the show. Let's jump on in.

Hello, my love. How are you? Hello, my love. Oh, I'm all right. Catch me up. What's been going on in the world of Jojo? I've got a big spot on my chin oh no yes I'm bringing a friend I'm bringing a friend to this podcast yeah there he is has it a name do you know I always call myself Dave I always give my I always call him Dave When I very first met my lovely husband Brad I Dave decided to show up and it's always that way isn't it when you very first meet someone

and then suddenly out of nowhere this thing just pops up. I don't get many spots Do you get many spots? You're a spotty person No, no Do you wear those stars? You know how the youths do They love to stick a sticker on them now don't they they do don't they surely that's going to suffocate the poor thing gotta let him breathe

gotta let him get out i think they've got some sort of um hydra what's it in it i don't know i'm just going to make up words yeah i think it's always taught you've got to let things breathe if they're not you know you sort of make sure you don't poke it and you just leave it alone and then it'll just work its way out. In the words of Blue Cantrell, you need to let it breathe. Just let it go. Just stop. Don't poke it.

Let it be. Oh, my sympathies. That's some big news. Anything else? Huge news. Absolutely huge. I'm actually quite pleased I'm still getting adolescent spots, I'll be honest. I feel like I thought I was a bit past that. I'm feeling a bit dry and crusty, actually.

I feel quite dry. I feel very dry at the moment. Very dry. It's the air conditioning and stuff, isn't it? It's the cold air and the air conditioning. Look at you just looking on your last week. Air conditioning, central heating. Central heating. Look at you, just saying, what is she off about about what's she going on about this week what are you on about you've really got nothing other else for me other than a visit from dave oh what i i've so actually do you know what have i got going on at the moment that there is so much are you loving it i think i feel slightly delusional actually it's actually guys it's

actually monday evening when we're recording this and i mondays are my most frantic days because i'm always in the studio and the whole team is in the studio so it's like everybody in my team needs me in some form because it's my kind of my sign-off day so it's i actually had a site meeting this morning at our notting hill house um and I had an expert client and then I had multiple sign-off meetings and workshops with the team and our Monday morning meeting so you know when you just feel like you you know when you just feel like you had an absolute barrage funny enough Monday's the one night I really love a glass of red wine more than almost any other night Friday night Monday night Friday night um because I feel like I've just my brain has been absolutely like you know give it a right

good kicking but i equally kind of love it in a sort of sadistic way quite enjoy it but um and therefore it's monday night and and therefore doing this podcast that's probably why all i've got for you is that my my spot dave but a lot of good stuff's been going on. And I just can't think what it is. That good. So good. Gosh, how overwhelming. I know. Riveting.

You tell me how you're feeling. I've just driven back today from St Ives. That was a solid six hour drive, which was a punchy one. Oh, what's St Ives like? I've always wanted to go. Oh, it's heaven. It's so lovely. The light in St Ives like? I've always wanted to go. Oh it's heaven. It's so lovely the light in St Ives is wild it's like different to any other light I think that's why

so many artists go there but it's just so beautiful very famous for artists. I didn't do much actually other than hang out with my friends and drink cider. So it's a little Cornish coastal town isn't it? Yes yes it's beautiful it's got a harbour and it's very famous for having beautiful sort of white houses going up the hillside just lots of beautiful pictures of it. Had some fudge, went to a penny arcade, my god those are fun. What do you do in a penny arcade? You know like when you're putting the two p's into the slot and you hope that you win more two p's But Mr. Big and I, we went there together and that was really fun and we sat next to each other like a couple of old people,

like we're in Vegas, except we were in St. Ives. Same, same, but different. Well, the important question, because you went to St. Ives, is that you need to tell me what the best thing was that you ate. Do you know what? It wasn't something off the... We always go and have fish and chips on the beach, but actually it was... We were staying with friends

and my mate is the most amazing cook and it was this delicious rice otolenghi deliciousness, I don't know, full of mysterious spices that I don't understand. It was amazing. God, I always look at things like that and I think I'd love to cook like that, don't you? And I look at all those otolenghi dishes

and I think I really want to do more of that. You'll be out doing it soon in your new kitchen. The kitchen is being handed over to me this week, which means I can start shuttling the bits in. Oh, that is just so fun. I feel like I need to come around and help you with that. We've got to get your pantry jars all labelled up. I feel very worried about the bits. So the design is obviously beautiful, but it's things like the artwork the

curtains the curtain poles it's all those the the final the finishing touches that i'm like oh god i am not cut out for this so yes i shall definitely be um investing in some expert sessions to finish that one off pal because i it's those final bits which can make and break it isn't it you make margaritas i'll bring the advice i'll come i'll come with my own fanking hat on oh my gosh also i must tell you i must tell you i've got amazing painters and i went in today and i said how are you finding the paint because it's my friend you know this is my friend's names on this paint how are you finding it and they were like this paint is incredible they said the coverage of it is insane he said look at

me i don't have a single splash of it on me and that's because the paint has stayed on the roller and the brush it's going on they were like we never get this much coverage i feel like a salesperson we never get this much coverage they said this is this is one of the best ones we've ever worked with i will use this again and i personally think that's an endorsement isn't it that is a massive endorsement I have to say I think funnily enough the coat always say to me they say it's the the hardest people to impress are the decorators and when they say they love it you know you're onto a good one you know you've really nailed it so also fun news my builder said oh um I was at the rugby club this weekend I was just talking about your job and what we were doing and who designed it.

And they went, oh, House 9 designed it. And they both follow you. They were very excited, which always gives me a kick. Oh, really? Oh. You're such a big deal. No, you're a far bigger deal. Listen, listen.

No, you're a big deal. Stop it. No, you are. Can I just say I did actually go on another i did actually go on another podcast this week how dare you're really whoring yourself around on the parts aren't you who was it this time it was with the most the most beautiful just this woman is she's amazing her name's martina and she is um i was going to say the owner of but her her instagram handle is the venetian pantry and she is italian and a beautiful cook she's a graphic designer but also basically has the

most beautiful eye for design so her house is immaculate and she has this really beautiful little pantry in her kitchen and she's designed the whole thing herself with her husband joe and what she does she started this podcast it's called spilling tea and she brings people into her house that she finds interesting that she wants to know more about and she cooks them lunch whilst doing a podcast it's heaven what did you have oh she cooked me her own focaccia this pumpkin sort of oh yeah this sort of roasted pumpkin sort of with this yogurt with these little oh i honestly you know when you're just you know when you're being a real pig and you want to go for like a fourth helping and you think i've got to hold myself back and also because all the people would hear on the podcast me just chomping away but it was so such a brilliant concept and i think

because you're sitting there in someone's kitchen and you're having a chat and you know having a little glass of italian wine and just everything sort of flowing out of me I was just just talking and you know sort of talking all about my career journey and things like that so if anyone wants to listen to anything other than us you know me and Polly talking about spots and things do head over to the Venetian Pantry and tune in to Spilling Tea because it's a really lovely concert. She speaks, she,

she, she, she's Pilates teachers and architects and fashion designers. And it's really brilliant concept. She's amazing. And she's just, oh, you meet those people that just ooze loveliness.

She's just lovely. Just so talented. Anyway. So that was what I did last Wednesday, which is a really nice. See, I tell you that, see, that's the good stuff's coming out now.'ve got past dave here it is here it is yeah now

now all the good stuff is coming should we go on to some questions let's make ourselves useful okay you're going to bring dave dave might have an opinion on a few of these things as well yeah he knows his stuff he's here to do some unfun bring it um okay i'm gonna start with a question for jojo and dave and this is from jenny what are the best dining room chairs for families well i quite like these little quick these little quickies aren't they little quickies quick and dirty that one you've got to think and i don't think enough people think this when they buy their dining chairs they are a they're an investment they really are because dining chairs don't come cheap and it's when you go online to buy dining chairs there's a real leap from chairs that are about sort of 150 quid each and then they suddenly go up 400 pounds plus so obviously 150 pounds they are not made here in the UK. They're made overseas.

And I appreciate people's budgets are tight. But do you think about when you've got kids, what do kids like to do on dining chairs? Smear food on them. Smear food on them and then tip back in them. They love to do that thing where they rock on the back legs. If you are buying cheap dining chairs, they ain't going to stand the test of time.

So one thing I would say is invest in good quality furniture wherever possible, please. If you buy something cheap, you usually, when they're that cheap, when they're about 150 quid, you sometimes have to put them together yourself and you're constantly tightening the screws and the wood will come apart. It's being glued as opposed to having proper little dowel joints. Unless you go to somewhere like Kempton Market because you can get amazing quality secondhand, like vintage chairs and things at markets which are beautifully made and not expensive.

If you're looking for a set of eight, almost impossible to go to an antique market and buy a set of antique, unless you want to go down the route of having mismatching. Can you mix up your chairs though? You can absolutely mix up your chairs. If you've got like a farmhouse style table and you want to mix up your chairs

and you want to go with something like a stick back chair and they can vary hugely in style. And yet, as you know, I'm a huge fan of buying things, you know, from antique markets. So great idea. Yes, you can do that. But if you are buying them off the shelf and they are new, with little ease, first of all, think about the fact that, you know, they're going to get sort of little mucky fingerprints on them. So you want to go with something that's either wood or that perhaps has got a wipeable sort of wicker base or something.

So things like wingback chairs are always great because kids, they're just easy. And you want something that you can sort of wipe down easily. So therefore, just avoid anything with fabric on. I just wouldn't bother anything with fabric unless they've got little loose seat covers that over time you can reupholster. I got some chairs from Sewer Home, some dining chairs, and they're beautiful. Absolutely love them.

But they had upholstered chair seats and every single one of them is wrecked. It's got it's they're they're absolutely wrecked. So and that's just an oatmeal linen. Every one of them is wrecked. So I'd say just, yeah, it's they're they're absolutely wrecked so um and that's just an oatmeal linen every one of them is wrecked so i'd say just no yeah it's fine because they're easy to pop you pop the seat off and you can get them reupholstered but you don't want to be too precious it depends how old your kids are but you don't want to have to be too precious about your dining chairs so if you do want to go something that's fabric just think about getting something with either a contract fabric on the seat or something that's dark so it's going to hide all those little grubby mitts i went with these ones which have got

kind of um i don't even know how to describe it it's almost like it's not straw it's nowhere near straw but it's sort of um a twisted like woven yeah natural fiber but again i thought i was onto a safe bet given the kids were sort of through the toddley years, but no, even then they've bit of Ribena on it and it's sort of, because it's slightly porous, natural. It's like a twisted, almost like straw, but it's not straw.

It's a cord. It's a paper cord. It's called paper cord. Yes. It's kind of papery. Yes. Paper cord. Yeah.

But that stains. Well, because it's very porous. That's why. Cause you think paper is just sucks up stains so that will that will happen so you've either got to go with something like a really natural uh woven material like an actual like you know almost like a like a like a wicker that sort of look on the seat or you just go plain wood like solid solid wood base which are quite nice which

isn't always the most comfortable though. It's not. I saw this great tip the other day was that if you get, it was, it was on like varnished chairs. It was on a varnished chair leg. If you get a walnut, so when you, when you get sort of scratches and marks down chair legs, you get a walnut and you rub the walnut on it and it gets rid of that the marks and the scratches how clever is that i suppose because there's so much oil in the walnut right so clever yeah

all right i'm gonna go to the garden and ask you a little question uh see what i've got here we'll just dig into my bag of questions here for you right um i've got one here from meg and russ garden patios for a large patio clean rectangle or curvy by the way the reason these are so short my loves is because we did a q a so these are little almost a little quick fire so we can fly through some this question box ones weren't there we put this is a great question so the shape of a patio i will very very rarely put in a curved patio because what does that cause issues in terms of furniture it's the same in a house right there instantly as soon as you've got a curve you have a problem because what are you how do you how does your furniture in that space interact with the curve so and there

are caveats but if you imagine your typical patio if you're going to have i don't know maybe having a couple of sofas and a coffee table on it or maybe having a dining terrace a dining terrace diners table these are square items right so i wouldn't want to then create a curve which can create pin little pinch points where you know where the curve starts to meet it and so they can be really problematic unless they're really carefully thought through it's tricky to then blend that into the wider landscape that said something like a courtyard then it's lovely if you have a circular paved space with a circular table in it because obviously what i don't like to do is put a square table

in a in a circle that looks a bit strange but then what we would often do is square off the space with the planting so if you imagine a circle and then you've got planting that follows the circle but with square edges on the exterior you're saying putting something square on something that's soft and round would or it would look a bit misplaced it can be a bit jarring unless you then went with round furniture yes exactly so if you've got the opportunity for like a nice round courtyard area that you can immerse in planting and wrap round then reach for a round table for the interior of it because then it's sort of you're not introducing awkward corners and pinch points whereas in nine times out of ten

i would reach for a rectangular or square paved space. And then, you know, you can always bring curbs in in sort of sinuous curbs of the planting later or in pathways or in separate spaces. The only caveat I would say is don't don't be quite so literal in terms of a patio area needs to be a rectangle, because depending on the size, it might be that it's two rectangles divided by planting for example rather than as i always say try and avoid that big old sea of one big patio with nothing breaking it up and all your furniture's on it a bit like a furniture showroom bring in think about how you can divide that space with either change of materials or change or bringing in some plants to sort of divide the spaces and that can be as simple as really low level planting or it can be high. But that's, I would just remember that.

So don't just say big rectangle. Could it be big rectangle? It's sort of semi-divided up or look at that. Great. Thanks. Breaking news happens anywhere, anytime. Police have warned the protesters repeatedly, get back. CBC News brings the story to you as it happens.

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And I'd really prefer if Dave answered first this time. So this is from Alina. What goes into a good kitchen pantry design oh lots of lots of labeled jars no in the actual design itself the clever thing about a pantry is that it does not need to be big if anything I think the best pantries are sort of almost quite small they can be a cupboard so the number one thing sort of almost quite small they can be a cupboard so the number one thing i always say it literally needs to be a cupboard it depends what you want to go in there some people push the boat out if they've got the space and they want something like a wine fridge they might want the depth at the bottom and then they might want a little sink

or something yeah but you've got to think when you're in a pantry it's a space that you're going and this is why i like dry pantries so where people do introduce things like sinks i think are you ever actually going to go in there and do any washing up? You're more likely to go and wash in your kitchen. So things you've got to consider is how much space do you have? If you're going to have a normal kitchen unit, depth down low is about 600 millimetres. So 60 centimetres.

Now, if you've got that in a pantry, you've, you've, you're lucky you've got that to wrap around. That's pretty big. So you're looking at something that's quite big. So you've really got to make sure that sort of those are going to end up getting shoved full of things. So pantries are places that you want to be able to access things easily. If you've got cooking bits and bobs in

there, if you've got all your flour. So what we usually do is put all your sort of utensils down underneath, if you can, underneath that sort of bottom half. Lots of baskets, things that you can actually easily pull out and access things. Because obviously we're in a small space when you're going down low and you've got to open a cupboard and you've got to get to the back of the cupboard you're actually in a pantry we always think it's better to just try and make it sort of almost as shallow as possible you don't need a great big whacking deep cupboard down low and if you are you're almost better off instead of putting doors on it actually have baskets that you can literally pull out and it just looks nicer as well just have lovely baskets so you can actually access things like your you know your veg your onions your whatever

it is your potatoes and um i don't know whatever you keep in a pantry and then above is all your sort of slimmer shelves so then all your shelves that can sort of wrap around however many walls you've got i mean guys honestly you you could you could make a pantry in a room that is like, you know, two by two. That's what we're doing in mine. That's your two by two. So, you know, your shelves need to be something like probably between 20 to 30 centimetres, ideally. And that's going to give you enough depth that you can pile things around, but still access them. Because we don't want us to be have really big deep shelves

that you're kind of pushing things out the way it's pointless the whole point of a pantry is that everything's on the front and you can see everything so almost the slimmer the shelves the better so it's just one big jar and then you fill it up with whatever you want you can get all your you know your bits and bobs up there but there isn't actually it's funny if you just get in what you can get the shelving in as much as you can and then think about afterwards putting all the jars on. So, I mean, you know, all your jars or bits or, you know, people love so much. I don't know what it is. It's such a funny thing because we buy a box of cereal and then we open the box of cereal and then we empty it into a glass jar and then we put the lid on just because it looks good.

And then we throw the box away. just because it looks good and then we throw the box away so another thing to really consider is if you are going to go down the route of getting all these lovely pantry jars look at places that you can actually go and top up your you know your your nuts and your oats and your cereals because there are lots of shops there are refill shops as opposed to just buying the same thing you would in a shop and sticking it on you know filling up is pointless so the whole point of having glass jars is to try and be sort of sustainable if you can as well so other tips what one of my one of my other top tips for a pantry is the door itself now the door itself is the sort of is what's allowing you to see into your pantry most people want to be able to see into a pantry and therefore think about the door being glazed so the top half can

be glazed and you can have a lot of fun with the glazing itself it could be reeded it could be clear you could get a little pantry sticker put on it you could get sort of a little get artistic and have something written on it but make it look like you're it's not just a cupboard I think you want to make a feature of it I think a pantry somewhere you want to sort of make a feature of put a you know a couple little double doors or something on it easy access is the main thing if you wanted to sort of save some money on a work surface in your pantry, would you go timber or would you go? Well, you could do a sort of granite or you could do quartz. You can have a lot of fun in a pantry.

We're spanking your pantry. So your pantry is going to be this lovely dark terracotta colour all over. And I always think it looks really nice to colour drench a pantry because it's a very small space. You've got to think that the colour that you're putting everywhere is almost going to act like a backdrop to everything you're putting on the shelves and therefore think about lighting so think about you're going to have all you know little cute little down lights a little um wall light so you can have a nice pendant light you want to make sure there's enough light in that room to be able to see things nicely um yeah have fun

have fun with the paint colour as well. Mr. Big is actually building my pantry. Is he? Is he really? Yeah. Yeah, we'll do a little bit. Well, first of all, we've sort of run out of money. But second of all, we just thought it might be a fun thing to do.

So I will spank it and he will build it. Or he will build it and I will spank it. You know, we'll take turns. And then him. And then he'll get a good spanking after he's done it if he doesn't do it properly or if he does

lucky Mr Big either way either way it's a win win alright I'm going to run out into the garden to see you

and this one is from rcorbert rcorbertcrumble I actually know this follower hello you're lovely

recommendations for plants that won't be killed by an air source heat pump, please. Oh, that's a good one. We spend a lot of our time worrying about air source heat pumps and hiding them. Yeah, they're the new common thing that we... For anyone that doesn't know, they're about the size of an air conditioning unit that's stuck on the side of your house, basically, aren't they? So they're sort of a... Yeah, they're sort of a yeah they're sort of a meter meter and a half box and they're always in the most irritating places um usually in full view of the house and we're trying to hide them

so it really depends on the heat pump you've got but on average you need to have a clearance of about a meter between the heat pump and anything else in front of it. And I would never plant directly in front of a heat pump because whatever you put there is going to get blasted. So what we tend to do is figure out a way of boxing them in, obviously allowing for the clearance they need. And usually with some sort of open weave trellis so that obviously it's got the airflow that it needs as well. Obviously with like that clearance, which is a bit annoying because it means you end up with quite a sort of boxy thing but you can go really nice with a really lovely trellis which will often paint dark green or good old black and then we'll plant in front of that and then that way by the time the plants are in front of that trellis they're obviously getting a little bit of protection from said trellis and also they're like a meter away at

this point but then in terms of what to do i mean it's the most it's more bulletproof things so ornamental grasses are a really good option they can take it so things like a miscanthus something nice and tall that's going to sort of block out or hedging as well will often do but obviously that hedging needs to be far enough away that we're not completely undermining the point of a heat pump what are your thoughts on bamboo i'm not a massive fan of bamboo and we won't use it it's out of place it's incredibly invasive 99 of the time um so it doesn't make you any friends with your neighbors it you know it does have its place and i don't like being binary so there are you know sometimes in really appropriate troughs where the bamboo can't escape

the black bamboos are beautiful and can be very immersive and can really transform like small urban space into some sort of fantastic sort of immersive garden trivet like oasis um but that's in troughs where it can't escape and also black bamboo is sort of one of the better behaved ones but yeah largely it's not a plant that i reach for in our schemes okay so no bamboo but also so you need a clearance about a meter is what you're saying or on a heat pump about a meter check with your model because it depends which one you've got but i think more importantly what i would say and obviously i appreciate this does not help our lovely listener our corporate crumble but think really carefully about the position of your heat pumps if you're looking to do work because you know far better if it can be tucked down a side return where you know it's just a transitional space if if possible try and keep it as far away

from being one a focal point or two so near the house that you're then having to create a sort of boxed in area if possible we try and put them sort of towards the end of the garden where they're then shielded with some fencing and a hedge and you don't even know it's there or tucked away. So do really think about that. But if you can't hide it, box it, and then plant tall plants that are sort of hardy, hedging ornamental grasses in front of it, and that should hopefully make it sort of disappear.

Good. Thanks, pal. OK, we've got a question from Tamara here. Ooh, I'm excited to hear your answer for this one, one pal I've seen a lot of striped tiles in bathrooms is this just a trend p.s house nine have specified striped tiles for my bathroom so looking forward to this answer yeah so it's I love this question actually because anyone that knows me will know I love stripes I've used stripes in my designs I don't think there's one design I've ever done where I haven't used stripes of some form and actually we had a question recently about stripes didn't we and how to how to how to use them and how to make them timeless so this this same rule is going to apply for your bathrooms yes striped

bathroom tiles are currently trending and gaining popularity in the design world they are very popular but then much like anything some things get focused because people seem to be doing them and you're seeing them but but it's how you use them because stripes can be used in a number of ways and they can make a space for larger or taller or so there's loads of things that we can do with them and obviously in a bathroom that there's something quite fun about it they're quite playful they add a bit of a dynamic kind of feel and I spoke recently as well about the use of use of stripes whether using them horizontally or vertically I feel like vertically is more of a less trendy horizontal I feel like is going a little bit more trendy I feel like you might tie a more so of a less trendy horizontal i feel like it's going a little bit more trendy i feel like

you might tire more so of a horizontal around the room as opposed to up and down um because they create sort of different illusion depending on how you're going to use them so i the short of it is that where they may seem like they're on trend now striped bathroom tiles have a timeless quality when done right and when done in the right tones. So if you're going to go with a sort of a red and white striped bathroom, then obviously that's probably going to, you're going to tire of it. It's not going to feel that timeless. But if you're using really lovely neutral shades and you're using the right tiles that are sort of, that are timeless in themselves, then it's going to stand the test of time and it'll look beautiful and it also very much depends on what you're mixing with those tiles so what is the sanitary wear that you're using if you're using very modern fittings then

it will feel dated because those modern fittings will go out of style whereas if you're using traditional fittings that look like they've been around you know they're sort of timeless they're traditional and therefore it won't date you're sort of doing something that's quite timeless. So, but like I always say, you know, if it's in a kid's bathroom or in a guest bathroom, have a bit more fun because you're not seeing it every day. And then you're, therefore you're not going to tire of it. At the end of the day, it's what you like

and it's what you love. And your master en suite or your bathroom that you use every day, I'd say go a bit more safe because our brains, our eyes get used to things and they sort of can feel a little bit overwhelming master master on suite or your bathroom that you use every day i'd say go a bit more safe because our our brains our eyes get used to things and they sort of can feel a little bit overwhelming if it's a really crazy color which is usually why if someone's gone really bold with the color they end up painting it a year later because they think they get sick of it so just think about that before don't get carried up you know swept up too much in the in the wild trends

you know swept up too much in the in the wild trends speaking of which and is there anything you can do with leftover tiles because as is typical with just you know you you have to order for wastage and things like that and so i've ordered some really lovely zalige tiles and i needed to order a certain a minimum quantity and i've got sort of a couple of boxes of each left over and i hate the waste yeah i try and hold on to i i've got a garage full of boxes of each left over and I hate the waste. Yeah, I try and hold on to it. I've got a garage full of clients' tiles that they don't want because I sort of always feel like if they're a basic tile that we'll end up using them. So when you order tiles for anyone that doesn't know, you always have to order 10% excess

and you end up never really needing them. I always say hold back a few tiles. Never, ever give away every single tile because inevitably over the course of time, something might happen. You might have a leak. You might have to pull some of the tiles up your loo might have to come up do keep a box of tiles keep a box of tiles or you know whether it be a couple of planks of wood a couple of box of tiles just hold on to them put them in the back of the shed you might never use them but you know what they're there if you ever do a bit annoying if you

wouldn't okay that's annoying if you don't so um but otherwise obviously they are a recyclable item most of them so they can be ground down and actually used to create things like porcelain so it's worth having a look online about recycling things like that you can at your own recycling plants there are places that you can take things like porcelain tiles so um tiles that can be ground down and reused because i agree it feels very wasteful so there are places that you can go last one for you darling this is from george george says should i cut my salvias right back now or should i wait until spring oh god i've just done mine so please tell oh no um i don't know what your salvias are but but my answer would be like, no, I wouldn't cut them down now.

Not all salvias are completely hardy. OK, it's not the end of the world if you have. It's just we never know what winter we're going to get, do we? And are we going to get a super mild one like last year? Are we going to get the one like the year before where it was minus 10 for three days? So with salvias, they not a hundred percent hardy and certainly ones like um salvia amistad they're sort of more uh how to describe them the the the ones which are less woody so amistad is a really tall one and it's got beautiful uh dark purple sort of dangling flowers but ones like that for example the the stems from this year will off will will act as protection over the winter so one of the best

things you can do is just sort of leave them because if you cut them what essentially you're doing is opening up a wound which then a frost could get into and damage so my general rule with anything which is remotely not hardy or can be a bit sulky or can snuff it over the winter is leave it alone because all of that dyed back dead wood of the salvia is going to act a little bit like a thin winter coat for it and then cut it in the spring when you're through the worst of the weather so no i would okay anything like a salvia i would leave alone but then as i have said on this podcast many times before i cut back very very little at this time of year because even something is better than nothing i think for winter interest so if it goes mushy yes cut it but otherwise leave them alone leave it okay leave it oops yeah good good times and i

think that's quite enough of that now i have been counted down the minutes to talk about what's in and out because i can't hold it in any longer give it to me what is in rivals it rivals julie cooper it's on is it on netflix it's netflix isn't it it is no or is it's so good is it on Netflix? it's Netflix isn't it? it is no or is it Disney? it is Disney it is Disney

it is so good I can't actually I can't believe how good it is it is the best thing I've seen on television in forever I am obsessed with Danny Dyer I actually the whole thing so you know euphoria

for anyone that's watched euphoria i'm going to go as far as to say it's as good as euphoria in the way it's filmed the production the costumes the characters the acting the costumes it is absolutely it's hilarious so brilliant i just love it love it. I actually can't get enough. I'm desperate to get off this podcast so I can drive home and get a Lebanese en route and go and watch Rivals. Goodbye. Do you know what? Weirdly, watching it reminds me of my childhood a little bit

because every now and then my parents would go to a party, a do, a bit like the ones that are in the big house. You'd be left with the random children. Oh, they're your age your age they're not my age they're like five years older than me or whatever it is and you'd all be sat in sleeping bags on some old sofa while the parents were partying in the next room totally good on them yeah but what a time what a time to be alive you might end up snogging them or you might end up smoking a monkey nut or something no i was more like nine at this point I was that kid that would always go to my parents fridge and like this one time I was like right I'm just like come to let's

go to the fridge and open the fridge door and there was a half half drunk bottle of champagne just there in the fridge door and I remember I grabbed it grabbed it first ever had a swig and of course what happens if you try and slug back champagne it goes oh yeah it went all up my nose fizzes like it just went everywhere and i just had a sort of unbelievable coughing fit and my mum caught me and i got in real trouble we won't go about this too much because obviously we but we're both watching it but honestly go and watch rivals it will be you'll thank us you are in for a treat i cannot tell you how good it is what else is in at the moment in is obviously dry skin as well dry skin no matter how much moisturizer i put on it's like my face goes and it's gone it's actually gone

what what's going on and i think that's what i it's a dry old time it's a dry time so that's what's in is dry skin and rivals what is out my love have you got an out for us oh do you know what i heard the other day that apparently and i disagree ardently fine sort of low-key jewelry is out and and chunky fat jewelry is in chunky's in all right my love well that's that okay that leaves me to say like subscribe share review do the hokey-cokey and that's what it's all about yeah shake it all about just shake it all about i love you guys we love you so much goodbye my darlings goodbye my love love you bye