The James Donald Forbes McCann Catamaran Plan - Aleks Milinkovic in conversation

Episode Date: August 14, 2024

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Do you ever think of whether life works like quantum physics or Newtonian mechanics? I'd like you to expand on that a little bit more before I answer. Quantum physics being like, it's all crazy. Nothing you do has any real input. You can't predict anything. You can't look at anything and you can't tell anything. It's like, no, you do this.

This happens. You have a structured, ordered force equals mass times acceleration. If these are the inputs, you get up in the morning, you work hard, you get a result. Yeah, I think it's more the first one a little bit. I think it depends. I do sort of think, not to be this, but I think it's maybe a first one a little bit. I think it depends. Like, I do sort of think it... Not to be this, but I think it's maybe a mix of both every now and again. Here's my theory.

It is quantum mechanics. It's totally random. But you have to treat it like it's Newtonian. Like there's order. You have to act as though... Otherwise, you can fall apart and nothing really gets done. Yeah, I think that's a great point. It's like, if it's going to be chaos, you can fall apart and nothing really gets done. Yeah. I think that's a great point.

It's like, if it's going to be chaos, you have to- Because even if you buy into the chaos- Yeah. If you buy into the chaos, then you just end up on the news and the chaos. You know what I mean? Like, if you- Because that's the whole thing about breaking out of the Matrix. The Andrew Tate shit of, like, breaking out of the Matrix.

You've got to break out of the Matrix. It's like, unless you have money, the only way you break out of the Matrix is doing some insane shit. It's nasty. I mean, he was literally pimping. Yeah. He was pimping these women. He was pimping them. And I've seen the pimps, and it's not nice.

It's not a nice thing. Are there legit pimps in the US? Yes. They're like out. You see them. You just see a man, like, talking to a woman and taking money from her. And that's a pimp. He's not.

Sometimes treating her nasty. There's no hat? I haven't seen a guy in a coolimp. He's not treating her nasty. There's no hat? I haven't seen a guy in a cool outfit. That's bullshit. I know. Dude, the dreams we've been sold. Oh, no.

The pimps now, I mean, they're all, you know, they look like Freddie Gibbs. They don't look like Bootsy Collins. Yeah, it's just an admin job now

where it's like this one uses MailChimp. Yo, if you don't have any money, get him to tap and pee. Tap that, tap that, pay. Legit, a pimp with an ABN is kind of... Oh, that's nice. That's so sweet to think of.

Be like, man... Use a condom. Legit. Use a condom, we can declare that. Keep the receipts. The deductibles of a pimp is a great book. The thing I'm most angry about since being in Australia is this debate about whether on the disability care,

the NDIS money, whether or not they should be able to pay for prostitutes without tax money. Oh, yes. Where do you land on that? Because I think it's actually probably like, what else are you going to do? Shut it down.

Are you serious? Brother. If they're going to have sex with a prostitute, I just think do it on your own dollar. Do you know what I mean? But where are they going to get that dollar? Well, do it on your Centrelink money. Okay, like Centrelink money is your private spending. The government says you get a lump thousand dollars.

It's for you as a disabled person to spend as you see fit yeah if you can't work here's some money yeah and then

not that they can't work you know if the egg sorting factory if there are no jobs going I used to work at a door to door sales place and we would start the day before driving out

to the far flung suburbs to sell cable television from door to door and we would pass the like head disability working, the factory. HQ.

I think it was called Phoenix. And it was beautiful. And they'd all come out and eat their sausage rolls. That's so nice. And I'm so happy to be at work. Anyway, but I think that's a private spending affair. The taxpayer does not have an obligation to get your cum out of your body.

No, but the taxpayer doesn't have an obligation for a lot of... Like, if I had to choose between, like, helicopter for Gina Reinhart or some quadriplegic getting a handjob... We're not paying. You don't think so? Like, when someone takes, like, a private flight from, like, Australia to Perth from Parliament, that's a taxpayer thing, right? I like the politicians doing it. I think we should give the politicians... No.

Because you want good people becoming politicians and so i think make it a more desirable job i think give them fancy hats oh yeah private jets give them so much money they won't be corrupted because at the moment i i expect it's quite easy to buy a politician in this country you think the corruption is like a result out of this job doesn't actually pay enough yeah pay more i'd more way more and then they can just actually make the decisions because i would say being a politician is pretty desirable here you don't think so yeah for a for a certain kind of autistic university student yeah but still like if you go like where where are you going to make the most money for doing fuck all

yeah i mean pretty good and you get to public speak you get the public speak you get the fucking riff dude you get to fucking hang out get to public speak You get to fucking riff dude You get to fucking Hang out with Penny Wong But also everyone hates you Yes Let's not overestimate How much everyone hating you

Yeah But you Take good stock of that True but I mean look at Like Bob Carter Bob Carter is a fucking Well loved politician

That's one I got one That's all I got Bob Carter But just cause he's 400ved politician. That's one. I got one. That's all I got. Bob Carter. But just because he's- Out of the 400 guys and gals who've been doing it in their lifetime, there's one who's broadly, totally. But also, maybe that's just the answer. It's like maybe his blood is the vaccine for making politicians fun again.

Where it's like, just don't forget where you come from. He's so fun. He's so fun, bro. Like, anyone that gets into that shit, I think they try to- Like, Anthony Albanese comes from Marrickville. He's so fun. He's so fun, bro. Like, anyone that gets into that shit, I think they try to... Like, Anthony Albanese comes from Marrickville. No one can tell. You know what I mean?

Because... He's a wog. No one can tell. His name is Albanese. Yeah, but he's not... You know what I mean? I'm like, this is... He has a very working class voice.

I would like some more wogness from Anthony Albanese. I feel like... I know that... I think the voice could have passed if he'd come out and thrown out a bit of the... Oi! Just oi! I would like some more Wogness from Anthony Albanese. I feel like I know that. I think the voice could have passed if it, yeah, if it'd come out and thrown out a bit of the, oi. Just oi.

Oi, what the fuck is this, Mr. Speaker? Dude, a little bit more of that. Get this out of here. Get the fuck, what is this? Oh, what the fuck's that? Spanian for Prime Minister. That's what I'm pushing. I just want a little bit more fun, man.

Like back when, what's, Bob Hawke. Hawke was fun. Keating was fun in his own strange little way. Yeah. Bob... Like these people that were just like... They were men of the people and then just continued to be. They didn't turn into and now I'm the prime minister.

But there is a lovely section in Mark Latham's diaries where he does describe going to Bob Hawke's house here in Sydney when he gets the leadership of the Labour Party. And Bob Hawke is living in like Circular Quay. And at the end of the meeting, Mark has to take a water taxi to get to Bob's house. That's crazy. And then the meeting ends

because Bob and Blanche are getting massages. And Mark Latham is furious. He's like, this is meant to be the party of the working class. It's what happened to a wood cottage on a hill. They're getting massages. Well, he's still the prime minister. What do you want him to do? I want more massages.

I want big, fancy. Give them money. You want oligarchy? Insulate them. No, I just want... Well... I think we have an oligarchy, but they're not in politics. I think if you're running the show, you're over there.

And I would like the politicians to actually have power. Okay, yes. To do cool... Man, why don't we have... Let's go. The beanies are... High-speed rail, Melbourne, Sydney. Obviously, I think, including Canberra, Brisbane, Adelaide.

Wagga Wagga. Very sensible. Wagga Wagga gets a look in. Just build the high speed. It would be very cool. We have a lot of money as a country. Where's our high speed rail? That's a great point.

Well, the part, because I'm not very smart and I don't know a lot, but when I hear about how much natural resources we have here, it's crazy that these are our massive exports, like a huge amount of coal, huge amount of, what's the i think it's like uranium yeah it's like and fucking we still we still have cool money like oh man what the fuck is the light rail doing when dude the light rail in sydney the only transportation you can stop with your fucking forehead and that that took like two years and like a billion dollars is it not liked it's just so slow like it's why would you even use it like and sydney used to have trams and they ripped it out and now they just put some back in it is in adelaide as well yeah it's just like a ridiculous

waste of money for fuck all and sydney used to be something when i first moved here dude i was like the city you know yeah there was this it's still something it's still something you think so oh yeah i feel like it's lost its shine no it's the only one with any like it's got real adelaide You know what I mean? There was this vibe. It's still something. It's still something. You think so? Oh, yeah. Walking around here. I feel like it's lost its shine a touch. No, it's the only one with any... Like, it's got... Adelaide, I love. Yeah.

And it's very beautiful and it's very country town. But in terms of a city, Sydney's the only one. Melbourne does not have one iconic building. No. I want... Fed Square sucks. Eureka Tower sucks. Yeah. I want... Fed Square sucks. Eureka Tower sucks. Yeah.

I think Brisbane's actually coming up. Brisbane's trying. Brisbane's doing its best, dude. And I like it. Brisbane is attracting a lot. Brisbane also geographically could... Sydney's full. Sydney's like locked in.

Yeah, we're done. And you refuse... Rightly so, you refuse to change anything in the East. Yeah. In a meaningful way. Yeah. That would allow people to live here that's the one good thing about sydney left is the east the east where you're like this is great this is

this has just stayed from it feels like the same east from like the 80s almost you know what i mean i mean you can anywhere from like redfern to bondi you can pretty much walk on your legs and it's nice yeah up and down yeah the whole thing I used to live in Rose Bay and I was like, this is what you come to Sydney for, dude. Because it was the same amount of rent that I paid in Dollar Chill. But you're a central westie now? Now I'm in Chippendale.

Oh. Yeah. Which is nice. I don't know anything about Chippendale. Is it near Marrickville? No, it's near the city. It's close to the city. Okay.

Close to the CBD. But it's just like, it's whatever. Like, it doesn't feel, you can be anywhere. It doesn't have a big personality. Yeah. You could be anywhere anywhere I think that's the issue no but in Sydney

you're really in proper Sydney you're living when you're in the east you want to see the slack lines you want to see the Brazilian you want to get soccer balls kicked toward you kick it back dude

hello boy feel like you're part of the community bro get out of Bondi that shit rocks get in the surf go in that pool with the big waves I used to surf

badly but like I would just be like I'm'm just going to go for a little surf today or whatever. You know what I mean? I don't do shit in Chippendale. Manly's so nice. Manly's gorgeous. People talk Manly down, but I love Manly.

My big predictions, I think eventually everyone's going to move out of the city and everyone's going to migrate north and west. I think Parramatta is going to be crazy. I've never been to Parramatta. I've lived in Sydney for months. I never went to Parramatta. going to be crazy. I've never been to Parramatta. I've lived in Sydney for months. I never went to Parramatta. It's so fun. Okay.

Parramatta is just like culturally the center of Sydney for sure, dude. Is there a lot of wogs there? A lot of wogs, a lot of Asians, a lot of Indians. Just like everybody. Melting pot. Yeah. This is very rich. We went to a boat show yesterday.

And it was confronting just because it was the whitest, richest, most reserved, boring people. Those are the ones who can afford the big yacht. Of course. It was not fun. It was not like there's just a vibe of there's no one here. It is weird when you get to that amount of money. You're not like, oh, it's just. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Because you're controlling. Yeah. You're like, let's not get this out of hand. Yeah. We want to keep all the money. Yes.

I want to keep having a nice budget. Let's check the budget. New money. That's who I'm about. That's like, let's not get this out of hand. Yeah. We want to keep all the money. Yes. I want to keep having a nice budget. Let's check the budget. New money. That's who I'm about. That's same, dude. I'm all about- Oh, let up the suicide dose. I deserve mine, homie.

You decide yours. I know that Jesus die for us. Legit. I love that. I like new money. I want new money energy from more people. And I'll tell you what, I'm sick of- Because now I have some friends that have new money,

and they don't behave like it, and I don't fucking like it. But they're too- They're, like, reserved. They don't want people to know. And I'm like, brother, this is what this is about. Yeah. Welcome to the West. Got a wild out.

This is the thing about coming from a refugee family. My dad, when he figured out that he has, like, enough money to, like- You know, they've got two cars. You know, it's like- Came nothing, started tiling, now two cars. When it's like it came nothing started tiling now two cars when i bring friends over he's like proud that he has pepsi nice you know what i mean he's like you offer your friend drink and i'm like i'm like sorry do you want to drink he's like you like pepsi we have pepsi like he can't get over the fact that we have pepsi now you know what i mean

that's new money excitement. Pepsi. Legit. He says it in the same way of someone that would be like... It feels like someone in Yugoslavia told him he would never have Pepsi. It's great. And so it's nice to see that like this new money excitement. Pepsi is the Muslim drink. Is it?

That's what the Bosnians were gonna... That's their thing? So in the Islamiclamic world is uh i believe there's a conspiracy that coca-cola is a jewish company okay and so like the pakistani cricket team is sponsored by pepsi and it's i think in the middle east pepsi outsells coca-cola wow that's so interesting only place because it's not a great drink in my humble opinion i like pepsi you're a bit oh well of course i like it's my a great drink. In my humble opinion. I like Pepsi. You're a bit, oh, well, of course. It's my father's drink and his father before him, though.

It's the taste of a new generation. It is, genuinely. I also like the underdog a little bit more. I'll be real. I used to work at KFC. We only had Pepsi there. I think that's probably where the love started. I will say Solo is a winner.

Solo is my favorite above all. I'm very happy when I get to have a Solo. KFC in Australia has become the dominant fast food. It was McDonald's for a long time. McDonald's has... They pivoted after Supersize Me, a very slow pivot to be like, nice restaurant.

Yes. Dignified. You won't get too fat here. And then they couldn't really afford to keep that going. And it's still McDonald's. It's still great. But when you go to a food court, the KFC throbbed.

Thieving. And I think because, I mean, their advertising is great. Advertising is great. And also, it's just good food, great value. In terms of what you get, brother, 12 bucks, you get it. It's very good.

The Zinger box. The Zinger box is fantastic. Indisputably. Because you know how people work in fast food and then that fast food's ruined for them yes the day after I quit KFC I was eating KFC

I was like this shit's too good to give up you weren't eating yeah you kept eating KFC at KFC the whole time the entire time I never got sick of it

and I saw fuck shit I fucking loved it I believe I was briefly off McDonald's when I was at McDonald's you were from McDonald's I was a McDonald's boy how long were you

at McDonald's oh man nine months tops oh yeah nice I was at KFC for like 18 months I never got good I was always a problem.

Yeah? Yeah. Well, you fucking... In terms of customer service? They wouldn't let me work. I think I would have been fine with the customers, but I was just... I lacked the coordination to very quickly make McDonald's food. Oh, okay.

It was a very busy McDonald's. I also worked at a Subway and I got let go from there. Oh, wow. Man, I was... I just... I'm not a good retail... I couldn't make it work in a hospital. I'm bad at hospital.

The only job I've ever been fired from was hospitality. What was your hospital firing? I used to work at the Royal Golf Course. Nice. In Sydney. Nice. Over there at Rose Bay. Nice.

Because it was a walk away from my spot. I used to work in the cafe there and I just couldn't, I had a real issue with like the whole, if you have time to lean, you have time to clean sort of shit. Of course. I had a real issue with like the whole, if you have time to lean, you have time to clean sort of shit. Of course. I had a real tough time, especially because we had a manager, this very sweet man.

I can't remember his name, but he moved to France. Yeah. And then he was replaced by this Brazilian woman. And the Brazilian woman hated all of us. She just like- She wanted to bring the Brazilians in. I think so. I think so. I think so.

We were too yappy. Because I- This is the thing. I'm like, as- What was I? Like fucking 19 or something like that? I'm like, I have some understanding of workers' rights, and that doesn't go down in hospitality. No, no, no.

I mean, you make a set amount of money in hospitality. Yeah. And it's not a lot of money. No. So, of course, you want to do the worst job you can and just get the end of the you know we also didn't get tips no yeah i i think i would be okay with the american if i was working in american hospitality and it's like if you put in a good effort today you have a little razzle dazzle maybe you walk out of here with i don't know hundreds of dollars yeah big time i have friends that work in like hot like fine dining

and stuff and people just if you're nice to them they'll just give you a 50 or whatever and i'm like i could do that that sounds fun yeah but royal golf course where it's just like it's millionaires but they're kind of like entry-level millionaires they're still sort of like is that not the good golf course it's a great golf course but everyone's deeply snooty like you can't they won't let you on like out on the tennis court if you're not wearing all white i like that it's a whole it's very very i respect it's like ten thousand dollars a year it's ten thousand never got a single tip and i was nice i swear to god i was nice american golf course i think you'd make a lot of tips yeah i think i the i think the australian idea of not

giving tips it's assuming that you're like you're getting paid fairly or whatever but hospitality is like you're getting paid bullshit it's a But hospitality is like, you're getting paid bullshit. It's a very strange system that we have because, yeah, we are very proud that we're giving everyone a fair amount of money. Yeah. There's no way that these,

I mean, there's a lot of Chinese food businesses around here. Yeah. And you often hear about international students, they have to do that because they're not allowed to make more than a certain amount of money or they're not here to work,

they're here to study. Yeah. But then they don't speak the English language, and they have to pay people to write their study for them, and so that becomes difficult. It's a big swirling. If we were just a little honest, we could straighten it out. I'll tell you what, I just wish we could go back to like,

fine, just pay him in cash. Can we just be back to- Pay him in cash. Pay him in cash. How much seriously in taxation are we making? Seriously. Brother, pay me- I'd do hospitality. Pay them in cash. How much seriously in taxation are we making? Seriously. Brother, pay me- I'd do hospitality if they paid in cash.

Legit. That's fine. 25 bucks an hour in cash? Easy, dude. They're getting rid of cash. No stress. There'll be no cash. There will be no cash.

But I'm thinking about buying gold bullions. I started buying silver coins. And? I lost them. There's some- I think I was picking up the house to go to america i had 500 in silver coins i seriously believe they are locked away somewhere yeah in a storage container but i achieved my dream of having lost buried treasure you have actual treasure yeah i think it's in this is the

one piece this is that's so mad i'm gonna find it again um i wish I had it now. Dude. It'd be nice to have the money. But that was my... I was going to... For the podcast, for the catamaran, it was like, I'll just buy metals and like a certain amount

of the money from the Patreon so that I don't spend it or reinvest it. I'm just going to have coins. But then you do need a place to keep them reliably. Yes. I will find the...

I will find the coins. I will find the coins. Do you have a rough idea of where they are? There's a... All my stuff is in a storage container. Okay. People came over to help me.

I trust everyone who came over. No one was stealing the silver coin. No, there would have been a little pouch. No one would have even known that they were valuable. Nice. Like a little old Lord's pouch? Like a little drawstring? Yeah, my friend Paul had a little leather pouch.

That's nice. A little leather pouch. A little Commodore Norrington pouch. Oh, that's sweet. Captain, my captain, I would jingle my... And I was buying nice... You can pick which coin you buy. They're all silver.

But there was some Prince Harry birthday coins from Prince Harry's 21st birthday. That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. I got some... I don't think I got any American coins. I got some Canadian coins. And I don't think I got any American coins I got some Canadian coins I got the

and there's a whole coin collecting community yeah I know yeah I think I've heard about this I would get into coin collecting like if if you know like the Australia Post

like collectible coins yeah if they were valuable I'd get into that I mean if you get into it it becomes more valuable do that but by how much

is that you know what I mean like you have to encourage other people to also be interested. So I need to start like a propaganda machine for the Australia Post coins? This is exactly what Bitcoin is. It's like, not only is Bitcoin good, everybody should try to buy my- Everybody wants it. It's hard to get, so there's value. Dude, when's the last time you heard about NFTs?

You know what I mean? No, you couldn't. NFTs are done. It didn't make any sense. You couldn't actually funge them. But for like six months, people were like, this is the thing. I remember. Coldplay like made their album NFTs or some shit.

Don't even. Jimmy Fallon was like, had a monkey and he was like, buy NFTs. This was on TV. That's fucking crazy. They have like a Ponzi scheme. That's the thing that late night television has. But I mean, crypto, I can't see that crypto is not also a Ponzi scheme. It has fucking crazy. They have like a Ponzi scheme. That's not the most unforgivable thing that late night television has. But I mean, crypto, I can't see that crypto is not also a Ponzi scheme. It has to be.

It just makes more sense because it has a use. But it's like, what about gold? Yeah. What about like precious metals? That seems like a really good one. Well, there's that big- Because it's pretty. You can look at it.

You get to hold it. Wow. Shiny. I could make this into a bracelet. Anything you want, man. Isn't that nice? It does feel good. What are you get to hold it wow shiny i could make this into a bracelet anything you want man isn't that nice it does feel good what are you going to use your crypto for it's all castles in the air that's what i'm saying it's bullshit it's like um there's that you know that have you seen that business dude on tiktok he's old and he's got the he's always in like um he's like an older dude with glasses and he speaks in like sort of like a new york accent he's like

like kind of hunched over he kind of looks like a goblin a little bit okay i can't i can't remember his name but i saw a clip of him going if you knew who made bitcoin like i did you would run away he keeps saying that like that and he goes i know who made bitcoin which is going to prove him wrong and he's going to run away no it's uh he's got some there's like yeah there. Oh, gosh. Oh, gosh. No, he's got some... There's like, yeah, there's a secret man. Yes. And you know what I mean? He's going to run away. The Chinese.

Also, it's like, then they just use computers to solve pointless equations. And that gives you money. It gives you money. But then they also... I know a room runner here. You know Anthony Skinner? He was running a Bitcoin mining agency for a little bit. I believe it.

He bought a $5,000 PC to mine Bitcoin during COVID. There's a man who worked for... I want to be careful because I don't think he likes this story getting out. Okay. There's a man who was working for the... I'm not even going to say the company. A big media company in Australia. Who like early on in Bitcoin plugged in a computer in a room that no one was using.

And used their like processing power to mine Bitcoin. Well. And then like just left it and got I think fired and forgot about it and left his computer there. Plugged in, running full time. Okay. For like years and came back and had tens of thousands of dollars. Holy shit. about it and left his computer there. Plugged in, running full time for years and came back and had tens of thousands of dollars. Holy shit.

With their processing power. Did he take it? Yeah. That's incredible. He or she or they. Or they. I don't want to give anything away. The non-binary Bitcoin magnet.

I just think it's very cool. That's awesome. Apparently this didn't happen, but what I think would be funny is if, because like when you're a kid at school with a laptop, the laptop didn't really have any processing power. There was just like central, like when everyone was trying to log on at the same time,

everything would go really slow. Yep. And it's like, all right, so if you're using all that, the big processing power that's powering like all the computers during the day, you should use it at night for Bitcoin. Yeah.

And that's what I think the CIA does. They run their supercomputers, solve codes, spy on people. Oh, mercy. People told me to start doing like Bitcoins or NFT for this podcast because it's about making money for a boat. But I couldn't.

I think you're on the right track. I couldn't morally do it. I think it's more on brand that you collect silver coins. Thank you. I think I like that idea that you're sitting on top of your coins like a dragon. I'm Smaug. You're Smaug, baby. I like it.

Smaug does sound like it would be something backwards. I do sort of miss being able to exchange. Me and Sam talk about this all the time of being able to exchange just like services for money, just whatever you want. That'd be nice. Like back in the days where it was just like- A free market. You're just a bard. You know what I mean?'re a free market you're just a bard you know what i mean oh yeah you're just a bard go out there just fucking oh hey dude i'll go to the tavern i'll follow you around and make songs about you if you give me a little bit of money the fact that you can't do that anymore is bullshit the

fact that you can't be an actual snake oil salesman like out there that people will catch you and they'll read the label and they'll follow you up. Yeah. You can't be like, miracle elixir. I mean, you genuinely can. People do. It's not as fun. It'll be like, this is good for your skin. Yeah, they try to make it real. I think that's what I don't like.

I just miss it being almost kind of what crystals are now. I have an idea about opening up a crystal shop, but like saying they cure cancer. I don't like that. I like the first one I like the one you know how the crystals have the little bio where it's like this is good for luck or whatever

all the gemstones I just like what I'm gonna have a crystal shop no cancer you just open it up and it goes you can use this as an antibiotic I like I'm people

swallowing the crystals yeah well just we'll just be around it as an aura something like that just should they used to be able to what is the salt lamp before

what is that doing I I'm actually not entirely sure I think it's probably like good for air purification or something like that just shit that you used to be able to what is the salt lamp for what is that doing i i'm actually not entirely sure i think it's probably like good for air purification or something like that i'm there they're actually a nice lamp they're super soothing to look at is that sammy point sammy's gonna show up and hopefully have a bar and me sandwich for me here all right here's some of my ideas no i haven't eaten today please all right big i mean becoming a comedy superstar yep Yep. Number one. Hell yeah. We're making a movie.

That's fine. We'll talk about that at some point. I want to make a sandwich shop. Oh, I like that. I've always wanted a kebab store. Tell me more about your kebab store

that you want. No, no, no. Please, let's go with sandwich shop because mine doesn't even go deeper than that. I just like the idea of having your own kebab shop.

I just like the idea of like living like you don't mess with the Zohan where you get to come in like that. I like that. At Phantom's Chewy chewy mohuntuken and be like i get to eat whenever i come into store you love sandler he's he's my goat i love dude you don't mess with the zohan no bullshit is my favorite movie it's a great movie it's my number one sandler movie it's better than happy gilmore 100 better than the water boy big time he's a he's a standby the zohan i thought it was good he's a counter-terrorist that wants to cut hair, James.

That's fucking awesome. I love that he just makes the movies that he has an idea. And he sits down with his boys and he makes the movie. Israel and Palestine was solved in that movie. They solved it by making the noise. Where's The Zohan now? Legit. Like the avatar.

He went away when we needed him the most. Now, is that the last great Sandman movie? You've watched all the latest ones. Yeah. I don't mind Hubie Halloween. I like Hubie Halloween. Did you like Sandy Wixler? No.

Okay. No, I wasn't big on that. I have no recollection of it really. Sure. I watched the first five minutes. I'm going to assume not. But please tell me about your sandwich shop. Okay.

It's called No Choices. It's an authoritarian themed sandwich shop. Hell yeah. Beautiful women working there. Nice. It's called No Choices. It's an authoritarian themed sandwich shop. Hell yeah. Beautiful women working there. Nice. But dressed in the uniform. There's a big photo of a supreme leader. I want it to be like-

Are you the supreme leader? I was thinking about being the supreme leader. But I might- Maybe it's a made up pretend supreme leader. But we don't talk about that. We don't go into the backstory. We just make it look authoritarian. They're very stern.

There's one sandwich. There's one way to pay. If it's tap and pay or whatever. If it's cash, it's cash. I think it's probably tap and pay. There's one sandwich. We only serve one sandwich. No choice.

Dude, I love this. So that you show up and you go, four please. Four sandwiches. And they go, $60. Whatever it is. Sure. And that's it. You move on.

That's great. It's in and out. If you don't like that sandwich, and the sandwich I'd like to think doesn't change. We just get a great sandwich and we keep it the same. But you could make a lot of money if it became a seasonal sandwich. If you didn't know the sandwich you were going to get. No vegetarian option.

No lactose, gluten, blah, blah, blah. One sandwich. Here's what I like. You become a member. Yep. You join a member. Yep. You join the party of this authoritarian. Is it fascist? Is it communist?

Is it phalangist? Is it whatever? It's just military. I like military uniforms. Women. Type a little hat. Little hat. Bun.

Red lipstick. Whatever color we've got. Probably not red. It's too communist. Sure. Blue is too weird. Blue is too weird. Blue is too weird. Green is unpleasant.

Yeah. Black is not nice. I think just a natural light. Pink. Pink. Maybe. Maybe red is the only way. Pink and green.

Red, you might have to go communist. Let's be real. You have a Supreme Leader sandwich shop. You might have to go communist. Yeah. I mean, communist is the... If people interpret it as communist, that's the least scary one politically for them to think yeah if people go is this a

nazi sandwich shop it's over that's bad communist from what i hear is okay but i just want like authoritarianism more like north korean i would that's what i'm picturing on this yeah there is a place called supreme leader chicken in syd Sydney there is they have that in Adelaide it's all over the place frankly not the Supreme Leader in Chicken no it's whatevs chicken

I'd go to KFC over that 100% but there's one you become a member yes and you have to get something extra if you're a member

and I was thinking maybe it's a smile but I think that's too that's too cutesy and also it's hard to then police the people like you've got to frown at everyone and then what if someone's a member and they're also, it's hard to then police the people. Like, you've got to frown at everyone.

And then what if someone's a member and they're not nice? Then you have to smile at them. I don't know. Sure. I thought maybe there could be, like, a special relish. The member relish. The member relish. That's good.

I like that. Yeah. Special relish. I'll tell you what. It even could just be, like, you get brown, like, wholemeal. Oh. You know what I mean? Just, like, the...

Just fine. You get a different sort of bread. Oh. You know what I mean? Just like the, just fine. You get a different sort of bread. Maybe you get a napkin. Oh, that's good. You get napkins if you're a member. Dude, something that low level is crazy. Is a membership expensive? We can charge anything we want for it, but we could sell membership, like 20 buck membership,

and then you get a napkin. That's fantastic. Or we do filter coffee is the other idea. And then you can also have a filter. You can also have a filter. Oh, that's like, we do filter coffee is the other idea and then you can also you can have a filter you can also have a filter oh that's like that's actually i actually like that the most a black filter coffee but we don't do anything to the filter coffee that's good no sugar you get it just beverage if you remember here you go here's coffee you get a coffee with your sandwich i like that a lot i actually think coffee is the best idea okay because coffee is one so it's nice to think of a place where you just go in, you go, can I just have a coffee?

And you go, yeah, that's just coffee. That's just, you know what I mean? I don't want to, I'm getting to a point now where I'm like, especially when you go down to Melbourne and everyone's like, what's the thing? They all like drinking magics and shit like that. I'm like, sometimes I just want like a Nescafe blend 43, dude. Sure. Where I'm like, just, I want a place where I can go to and I just want instant coffee. Instantly. I'd like it sometimes I just want like a Nescafe Blend 43, dude. Where I'm like, I want a place where I can go to. I just want instant coffee.

Instantly. I'd like it. Don't do it. Now, America has this sorted out. They have big filter coffee and they refill you and it's fine. It's the one thing I'm jealous about. You can't even buy that machine. The diner culture from the movies.

Diners is great. Diners is so great. The fact that there's like a tuck shop lady that comes around, just tops you up and goes, how you doing, darling? She kisses you on the forehead, gives you a little bit more coffee sugar yeah how you doing sugar some sugar brother what i would give to be called sugar in an american accent it's very nice i tell you uh black ladies at the airport there will be some airport that's all black ladies working there really yeah and when um because you're gonna take you know here airports are so cold and impersonal but sometimes

you do get a little extra when it's a bunch of black ladies together we'll have also we'll have sometimes have a black lady sure but it's an overwhelmingly

white orderly vibe when they're all black ladies take off your shoes honey nice that feels good to be called honey by staff at an airport

feels different and great yeah I imagine just the warmth of a black woman that's a new book of poems coming out for real is there something about it where like i i think of all the women that in the world i would want to touch the back of my neck gently oh nice black women for sure but it's incredible how black people obviously there's ups and downs in terms of what every race and culture brings

to the milieu of the country. But I've missed black people so much being in Australia. Of course. Great to have wogs back. Did miss wogs. Are there wogs in America? No. There's Greeks, there's Italians,

but they're very Greek, they're very Italian. There's no pan-wog thing. There's no general wog. New Zealanders don't even understand wogs, really. That's wild to me. This is partly also... Although, Islanders don't even understand wogs, really. That's wild to me. This is partly also... Although, Islanders are sort of doing wogs, frankly. When people go, like, you should go try to do clubs in the US, I'm like, I kind of want

to do wogs. Like, I don't think you can do wogs in the US. They have wops of the Italians, but, like, Italian-American is so very different. Seems deeply specific. Yeah. They've become... They also... They got there at a different time.

They got there like 120 years ago. So they're further along the Americanization. Yeah. I called up a pasta restaurant, spaghetti restaurant. I was like, can I have a puttanesca? And they went, what? We got red sauce, white sauce. That's the level they're playing at.

Okay. It's a whole different thing. They do garlic toast, which is nice. Oh, I like garlic toast. Oh, man. Garlic bread's number one. I like that. Maybe you could get some.

That's too difficult. Too difficult to do garlic bread as well at the No Choices restaurant. Here's my problem with having coffee. Then you have to choose if you want a coffee or the sandwich. It wrecks it. It has to be. If you are a member. You get a coffee as well.

Yeah. Like you can't buy a coffee on its own. No. No, I agree. Okay. You can't buy a coffee on its own. If you're a member, you get a coffee as well. Yeah. Like you can't buy a coffee on its own. No. No, I agree. Okay. You can't buy a coffee on its own. If you're a member, you get a- Members get coffee.

You get coffee. You don't ask for coffee. You get coffee. You also, yeah. If you're a member, you show the card. And if you don't want the coffee, don't show the card. Don't show the card. Okay.

Once we see the card and you go, oh, I don't want the coffee. You're getting a coffee. It's yours. Dude, I love this idea. I also, by the way, for real, I think it want the coffee. You're getting a coffee. It's yours. Dude, I love this idea. I also, by the way, for real, I think it would be hugely profitable. I think it's a perfect antidote to the paralysis of choice. Thank you. I often think about Disney and the Sping.

I and many Australians like me are experiencing. It's really a very anti-modernity. It's a great thing. One thing. One thing. It's nice. It's nice to go. That's why people

like set menus here's the profit here's the profit genuinely yes yeah prices come up and down you just buy

the best cheap you have to have someone who knows what they're doing that also makes it hard to grow is that if it's changing all the time

you don't get a supply line and then you can save money long term with that like if it's just a guy going to Coles in the morning and picking the cheap meats

for the day yeah well it's a communist set sandwich I change it it's one sandwich one sandwich go on it's a great sandwich

I've said this before I'll say it again I mean I'm back on now that I'm back in Australia I was in Adelaide in the downtown the office workers CBD

the office workers they come out they're looking for something to get through the day. Yeah. Tard. One, you get a roast, I think a roast beef sandwich. Yes.

Okay. I think a, ah, all right. That's the third idea. Okay. Okay. You've lost me already. What's that? Anyway, it's a sandwich shop.

Yep. I think a trading card game, like a Pokemon game. Yes. I'm a big Yu-Gi-Oh guy. Are you really a big Yu-Gi, I'm a big Yu-Gi-Oh guy. Are you really a big Yu-Gi-Oh guy? Huge Yu-Gi-Oh guy. Do you have the heart of the card? Some say. You struck me as a Joey type man.

I am a Joey. You grow up loving Joey. Big fan of Joey, dude. Love Joey. Yu-Gi's too fucking perfect for me. Well, I mean, in the manga, he's just, when he turns into... Yami Yu-Gi, the big dude? He just kills people. No, like the... When he goes into the Pharaohami Yugi, the big dude. He just kills people.

No, like the... When he goes into the pharaoh with the Yugi, when he goes, and then he turns into... Then he has this voice. Yes. Ha ha, Kaiba. When he does that,

the man's fucking here, dude. Yes. He just kills people in the manga. The card game doesn't get into it until a long way through the manga. In the manga, yeah, it's like a game of dice and shit and they take your soul. Yes.

They cleaned that up for the anime. Yeah, season one, Yugi's like the sweetest guy and he has like a great sense of justice. Yeah. But I think it's season... No, there's a season zero of Yu-Gi-Oh! Yes, yeah, yeah. Where they animated the first little bit of the manga. It was rough.

And because the card game became the most popular of that, then they turned the show into that. Oh, did they make the card game up out of that? Yeah, so originally it was supposed to be an entirely other thing. It's just a man who kills people with silly games. With silly games. And he's a hero. And one was the Duel Monsters game.

Yeah, and they just made Duel Monsters into a thing. Yeah. It has to be... Magic the Gathering, still very successful. Yep. Pokemon trading card game successful I don't know what

our game is I think as a market it doesn't feel deceitful like people actually want it and they want to pay for it that's fine it's a game

that's nice I mean I don't like that rich people can buy their way to a better deck and then seem like they're better at it I think that's a problem

so I'd like to get around that I'll tell you how you get around that varying rarities of the same card okay so if in terms of like playing yep i you can print the same card if it's just for the purpose of everyone has access to the playability of the deck yes you print the same card but uh varying rarities varying rarities scaling up so if you want like the Ultra Deluxe Shiny or whatever, you can pay a premium for that. But the common card, four cents. And the Ultra Deluxe Shiny

is the same card for the game. Yes. I love that. Just a different rarity. Did not know that. It's just a collector's item. People who want to waste money, excuse me,

spend their money on our valuable Shiny cards. They can. Yes. But it doesn't compromise the actual integrity of playing the game yes love that's how you do that's where yugioh went wrong oh did that that's why a lot of people started leaving the yugioh game is because they started bringing actually rare cards they started bringing out like cards where it's like it's only in one rarity

and the aftermarket's like 500 for this one card but it's a core card for a deck okay and so you avoid that by just separate rarities. And so it's inflated prices. If you go, some cards will come out. Sorry, so they would have like, you would have a deck and you have all the other cards, but to actually make that deck work, you need to spend $500.

$500, yeah. That's evil. I pulled one card that was worth $500. I just recently sold it. I recently sold it. And it's because it only came in- I did not know this about you before we started. I'm a big f***ing Yu-Gi-Oh fan.

How does the girlfriend feel about this? She's actually- Does she play Yu-Gi-Oh with you? She's embraced it. She's versed me in Yu-Gi-Oh. She's actually good. She's beat me a couple of times. I've like made her a deck.

I want people to play- I'm trying to get my friends into Yu- Because I'm like- I used to play it a bunch as a kid with friends at lunchtime and all that. And so now as an adult, no one plays it anymore. I'm trying to get my friends into it. Listen, we have to be out of here in three minutes. But I want to say now, will you take the job as head of playing cards?

100% Okay. Anytime. We need to devise rules. Yep. A theme. Yeah. If it's nautical,

that's fun. Are you a big fan of nautical? I guess it's themed for the podcast, yeah? I think it would make sense if we did it through the podcast. Yep.

But I'm open to it. I'm open to it being many things, you know? Okay. So long as it's a trading card game that I could justifiably sell

on the James Donald force we can't catamaran plan as our trading card game. Say no more. It can be anything. I'm so into this. Okay. I think, I mean as a, like people can then buy the, you have some starter decks and then you have like random booster

packs. Great. I don't like tokens. I'm going to say that now. As in like the little extra like counter things. I'd like you to be able to play, like for kids, training them at schools and stuff. I think it's good if that is an option, but if everyone can make sense of it,

just playing it normally, just like Yu-Gi-Oh. Cool. You can just play it. I like that. Brother, I'm so into this. I love this idea. Put it there, brother.

Pleasure. I wish we'd spent more time talking about that. We'll talk on Zoom. Okay. All right. Anytime. This is a serious offer. We have to make this. The first piece of merch for the podcast I wish we'd spent more time talking about that we'll talk on Zoom okay alright anytime this is a serious offer we have to make this the first piece of merch

for the podcast will probably be a shirt okay with the first like online set we've had mystery merchandise where I just went to op shops and I signed things

I've seen that I'd lost a lot of money the shipping was out of control it's a crazy idea it was I thought it would work and it didn't and I'm open to that now

it has to be regulated yes like the sandwich shop idea let's get this moving I'm ready to that now. It has to be regulated. Yes. Like the sandwich shop idea. Let's get this moving. I'm ready to get this off the ground. Possible name, Catamaran Ho. Possible other name. Let's figure out the rules first.

I mean, beat somebody. That's usually right. You have monsters fight. That's Magic the Gathering, Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh. It's all monsters fighting each other. Is there a game that's not monsters fighting each other? Not a lot. None that's fun.

Like all the trading card games are a little bit like- Monsters fighting each other. Not a lot. None that's fun. Like all the trading card games are a little bit like monsters fighting. I think monsters fight is a simple recipe. It works over and over again. Monster fight. We could just call it monster fight. Monster fight. Monster fight TCG, baby. That sounds mad. Trading card game. Yeah. Nice.

I love that. I'm ready to liquidate all of my assets. I know a lot of artists because I was running art auctions for a while. So I think the art part of it is very doable. How regular do we do the art style? What do you mean? I think of Magic the Gathering, they've got very fantasy style things.

Yeah. Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh! are very anime style. Yeah. Do we do an anime style-y one? Well, what's your thing? I don't have a nice thing. What's your vibe? I don't have a vibe.

I think the... I mean, have you played Magic the Gathering? Yes, when I was a kid. Do you like the fantasy? I just think that's going to be expensive to draw. Like the fantasy? I just think that's going to be expensive to draw. I think... Is there a Western cartoon card game where things look like, you know, Mickey Mouse from the 50s?

Cuphead? Cuphead is a good vibe. Cuphead's actually a great vibe. Yeah. Like old sort of like Steamboat Mickey sort of aesthetic. Steamboat Mickey style. That's just an idea. I like Steamboat Mickey style.

That's fun. Kids can get into it. Yeah. Mickey style. That's just an idea. I like Steamboat Mickey style. That's fun. Something that kids can get into. Yeah. Monster Fight. Monster Fight. TCG. Steamboat Mickey aesthetic. Let's...

You have your phone. Yeah. Mine's recording. See if this already exists. Monster Fight trading card game. Let's see. And then even if just like one of them is sea monsters, you know? Yeah. Well, that's the good and that can be like the the captain captain mccann's sea monster deck and you can buy that

dude and that's the great thing is you i guess you can sort of release seasonal sort of decks elements elements very much so the christmas boys i would totally buy like a it's like these are the christmas cards for this year. Yeah. No one does that. Don't they? Christmas cards. It's so obvious.

I haven't- I've seen like- Birthday cards? This is like Christmas Pikachu or some shit. Yeah. But it's not like this is the Christmas theme. Every year. The Christmas theme.

Monster Fight. I'm really into this. Okay. We can do this. We got Battle of the Monsters trading card games, but not Monster Fight. Monster- We have Monster Fight. Monster. We have Monster Fight board game, which is a five out of ten board game, it says on the rating. But it's a board game.

It's not a card game. I mean, we have a recording of how we've come up with this idea. So we know that that's not. All right. Take us to court. Monster. Monster Fight, I think, is great. Worst case, Monsters Fight.

Monster Fights. Monster Battle. Monsters Fights. We can just change that. Monsters Route. I was transported Monster battle. Monsters fights. We can just change that shit. Monsters rule. I was transported from far away land to world. We're monsters rule. I'm sick of these motherfucking monsters on this motherfucking time.

Now, would you like to be... Do you have like a... Like I'd like a themed deck for me. Yeah. It's the sea creatures. You are 100% sea creatures. If you're helping to organize it, what element would you like to take? I would like mountainous.

Oh. I would like mountainous high alps. That kind of shit. I don't know what the creatures are. I'm picturing almost sort of like aerial slash like a cross between like forest creatures. Snowy, alpine. Snowy, yeah. I'm into that sort of vibe.

I don't know what that is necessarily. Okay. But I like the element of it. Yes. Spells. I guess you need like spells or items. That's a big part of it. Yeah.

Items and spells. I think maybe... It's hard because spells is everywhere. I haven't seen a lot of item games. And Pokemon is items. Pokemon has items. I want to try and guess items and everywhere. I haven't seen a lot of item games. I mean, Pokemon is items. Pokemon has items. I want to try and get items and monsters. I don't really...

Does Pokemon really have that competitive of a player base? I see it every... I don't know, but the kids love it. And the supermarket is chock full. I think they're just great to trade. They're fun to have. Yeah, yeah. But you don't really...

I don't really... At least when I was a kid, no one really played the Pokemon game. No, we would all just trade them. Yeah. Yeah. I got a shiny Charizard and I remember being chased through the school and then we didn't take care of it

it got all scratched and I sold it for like 30 bucks it was damn I'm sorry it was dreadful that sucks we have to leave

we were meant to leave some time ago wow we got onto the good stuff I'm into this wow Catamaran Ho everybody do you have anything

you'd like to plug not really I've got a podcast with a comedian from Sydney called Sam Bowden who's very funny Can I run home, everybody? Do you have anything you'd like to plug? Not really. I've got a podcast with a comedian from Sydney called Sam Bowden, who's very funny. It's called A Woe-Free Lunch. If you want to check that out, that's pretty...