The James Donald Forbes McCann Catamaran Plan - Buffering with Scout Boxall

Episode Date: March 13, 2023

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now wherever you get your podcasts a cast helps creators launch grow and monetize their podcasts everywhere a cast.com Acast helps creators launch, grow, and monetize their podcasts everywhere. Acast.com Hello and welcome to this episode of the James Donald Forbes McCann Catamaran Plan. This is an exciting episode for me, and it will be an exciting episode for return listeners. For new listeners, what I'm about to say will seem, I guess, bizarre and certainly just like something that I should have figured out a long time ago. But one second, closing the door to the Volvo there. This is a buffer episode. I'm recording this six days before

I do the James Donald Forbes McCann catamaran plan extraravagan. Zah, my show at the Adelaide Fringe. It's on March 10. And so you can figure out what day it is, backdating six days from there. I think it's the 3rd? Maybe it's the 4th. I forget. It's the Saturday before the show.

Maybe it's the 2nd. No, it's not. This will, however, be coming out, I think, three days after. It will come out on the Monday after the Catamaran Plan Extravagan. And that show will have made a certain amount of money, and that money will be going towards me buying a boat. And the plans, I will use that money to reinvest in plans to buy the boat. I don't know how much money that's made. I can't talk about that because this is finally a buffer episode.

I'm assuming that I'll be too tired after because this is finally a buffer episode i'm assuming that i'll be too tired after the show to record a new episode and i've already recorded an episode coming out uh in three days my time on monday two days time who knows you know what i'm saying time hard numbers do you count the day you're on or not always difficult for me to figure out how many days time something happens when it's more than two days time does that mean tomorrow does that mean the day after who can say i don't know this is a buffer episode it's an interview with scout boxell i saw scout boxell's show at the adelaide fringe i was very impressed by scout boxell and scout boxell also did my debate at the Adelaide Fringe and was ripper. And there were some parts of the show, the live show that Scat Boxall did,

that really resonated with me and my worldview prior to becoming a Latin Mass Catholic. a Latin mass Catholic. And because at the moment, I really try and view suffering as a good, that is to teach. But previously, and still, I really do back this in. Life is a series of like building things around you to just keep you going one more day.

And maybe just the biggest one of those things for me that i've built to keep going is well i haven't built but i've inherited and taken from a long tradition and an encounter with our lord is catholicism but before catholicism it was movies you know and books and songs and it still is these things that keep us going and sustain us through dark and difficult times and even through boring times and even through manic highs where you feel great but dangerous so i wanted to interview scout i gave scatter lift to the airport and we spoke for about half an hour about um things that are worth sticking around for things Things that you, if you were very, you know, if you were in a bad place that you would want as a form of sustenance. So

this is, we're going to play that interview and then next week I'll, I guess I'll let you know how the Adelaide Fringe went and how much money it made. Or, boy, what if I get another Buffer episode? Ho, ho, ho, ho. Hold on. We'll see. We'll see how many Buffer episodes I can get ahead with interviews of people in the Adelaide Fringe. I don't know how many it'll be. Just the thought of getting ahead on work.

It's not something that I'm used to. Let's see how we go. I love you. Here's the chat with Scout Boxall. And I'll put a link below to, I guess, Instagram is the main catchment point that people go to nowadays. But here it is. Here's the interview. Thanks if you came to the show. It'll be recorded if you missed it. I think it'll be recorded. It hasn't been recorded yet for me because it hadn't happened. But if it. I think it'll be recorded. It hasn't been recorded yet for me because it hadn't happened. But if it was recorded,

that recording will currently be sitting on a hard drive when this is released. I'm going to stop talking about how strange it is for me that I've got a Buffer episode. I'm just never ahead. It's out of sheer terror of the week to come and if anyone will come to the show and if the show will be all right.

And I just don't want to think about having to make a podcast when I'm exhausted afterwards. So that's why we get the buffer episode. All right. Okey dokey. Hooly dooly. Whoo. And I hope we make a lot of money. Made a lot of money.

You know, whatever. Past, present, perfect, infinitive. I've just gotten back from Melbourne, actually, where I did a trial show. And much of it was fine. There was about 40 minutes in there that was great. There's about 10 minutes that's ready to go that I didn't do, so that should get us up to the time of an excellent show. And then there was about 25 minutes of a poem about a jazz musician called Jean-Baptiste that, wow, wow. I just, I didn't even get to the end, and no one seemed upset, I didn't get to the end, and I just stopped doing it, and I really thought

that would be a showstopper, and it was terrible, and that will not have been in the show in Adelaide, because that's why we do the trial show, to learn what to cut. All right right here's the chat with scout thank you to scout thank you to all of you for listening keep it real everybody and i'll talk to you soon oh the microphone's very hot too oh it's literally i'm so sorry it's literally... I'm so sorry. It's quite warm. And you'll have to shove it in my face. Oh, my God. This is... This is f***ing... This is chaos.

No, it's great. Hey, welcome to this episode of the James Donald Forbes McCann Canterbury Airplane. I'm joined by Scout Boxall. How are you, Scout? Hello. Sorry. We are handing a single microphone between the two of us as James drives me to the airport. No, it's not the first time.

We did this with Daniel Muggleton. He hated it. I thrive on the chaos. I think it's good. I think it's fun. Now, what's your show? And the point of it, correct me if I'm wrong, but a lot of it seemed to be about things that you like

so that you don't commit suicide. Examples. Now, when you went, the Kingston biscuit, it was also nice because I feel very strongly about some of those things too. Kingston biscuit, I shouted out. When someone was like, Monte Carlo, I went hard. I don't want to ruin the show. You're not doing it again for a while.

It's obviously the best biscuit, and I don't know what's wrong with people for preferring any other kind of biscuit. Well, the Monte Carlo got, honestly, the Monte Carlo got a honestly the Monte Carlo got a lot of shouts from the Adelaide crowd. The Kingston biscuit was everyone's favourite in Melbourne. And in

Darwin, everyone loves the shortbread. They love the shortbread? Sick. It's f***ed up. Sick and wrong. Sick and twisted Darwin. So the show is, yeah, that's a pretty, that's actually a pretty good elevator pitch for it. I also watched that Formula One documentary and got into Formula One.

I only got into it for a year because we then had a second child. Boy, if you're going to watch the practice, if you're going to watch all the interviews, and you've got to be in it in Formula One if you're going to be in it. Yeah, you've got to be in it in Formula One, if you're going to be in it. Yeah, you got to be on the ball. Like I, I am feeling very behind the ball for this season because I am. I didn't watch the pre-testing and so.

Shame. So now I've got to like read some recaps and I've got two practices waiting for me when I get home today, which I'm very excited about. I'm genuinely so stoked. It starts this weekend. It started last night. Is it Melbourne the first one again? Are they back to being Melbourne at the start of the season? No, Bahrain is the first one.

Take that. That's what Dan Andrews gets. That's the punishment. That's the real thing you all have to live with now as a result of those lockdowns. Well, the other thing is that now, I don't know if it used to always clash with Comedy Festival, but now it clashes with Comedy Festival consistently every year. So I can never actually probably go to a Grand Prix

unless I'm doing a show that starts at like 10pm. Take that day off. You don't have to do the full run. People will respect you. Do you genuinely think I can do that? Because I was thinking about asking last night. No, no, no. Just do it.

Honestly, take the day. Take the day. Say, and also, you've just done a show about the importance of mental health and how much this means to you to live. Be like, no one should do a full run in the Melbourne Comedy Festival. It's awful. By the end, you're doing the same show every day. Everyone's got a weird dark show that they're doing.

Take a day off and go and watch the beautiful Grand Prix. And the other one was the theme song to, I'm sorry, I'm going to have that up. It's going to get hot real fast, but we're on a main road. The theme song to Brokeback Mountain, which I had not seen or heard the theme song for. You've not seen Brokeback Mountain? No. Oh, it's an incredible film. It's one of my favorite films.

It's like, it was one of the few, when I was in high school, I wasn't really able to be out at all. And so I just found like ways of being covertly out. And so one of those ways was by studying like queer texts in English. Yep. Is that an option at school? There was a class that they taught in a high school? You would just take the queer option?

No, I would just take the queer option. So they'd be the queer option so they'd be like you have to study this text and also an elective text and all my elective texts it was like a single man in virginia wolf um brokeback mountain virginia wolf she was in love with her husband she sure was and she was and rita sackville West on the side. Which Virginia Woolf did you do in high school? I did Mrs. Dalloway. It's a fine book, but to the lighthouse for me. Wowee.

Number one. So good. It's pretty cracker. This correctly guesses the weather. I think we've all been there. Oh my god. Let's do it. Also, if I just hold it here, we'll all been there. Oh my god. Let's get these back windows down at least. Let's do it. Also, if I just hold it here, will it pick up both of us? No. Okay.

This audio is going to be so thoroughly compromised. No, no, it's people love it. And the third thing about the show that twigged me was that you had, now correct me if I'm wrong if you were just saying this to be polite, you took MIDI files and inserted them into GarageBand

and ran them through arpeggiators. Is there a bit in the show where that happened? I don't know anyone else who's ever done that. I don't think... Well, hang on. So the way that I made all the songs was that I had GarageBand because it was the only software I knew how to use. Correct.

Yes. It's very easy. It's very easy and intuitive to use. And so I used Garage to use. Correct. Yes. It's very easy. It's very easy and intuitive to use. And so I used GarageBand. And then I ran, you can pretty, and then I just used a synth that I ran through a USB through the Scarlett Lite Pro, the little red box thing, which is a massive red flag if you ever go to someone's house. You have to play them.

You played all the notes. Oh, see, I did the lazy thing. box thing, which is a massive red flag if you ever go to someone's house. You'd have to play them. You played all the notes. Oh, see, I did the lazy thing. I downloaded the songs and just dragged and dropped them in and changed them enough that I thought it wouldn't break copyright on midis if that existed. That's so funny. That's so much more effort, though, I feel. Can you play piano? Yeah, but I sent my keyboard into the shop to get fixed a

year ago and they never gave it back to me and i just forget to call them okay that seems like an executive function oh let's not misfire let's not go down all right okay okay but yeah because an idea because the whole i i was i was in that uh that was my ethos for a long time this like you just you have to have enough things. I'm going to put that right up to the face. You've got to have enough things to keep you going through the hard times. I was watching Neighbours for a while there. There's a bus next to us.

I'm going to get us onto a quieter road. All right, we've got the windows up. But I think there really is something to this shows and movies and songs and whatever that can sustain you. And I thought it would be good to have a compendium for very depressed people just being like, no ephemera, nothing particularly interesting, but if you need to, you know, get through to tomorrow and you've got to have some sort of, if you're in a real low ebb, just here's something to try.

Watch this. This is good. I'm promising you this is good. So I thought if you would just rattle off, you know, all of them. Absolutely. That'd be great. Yeah, 100%. I think that, like, I heard someone recently talk about a...

A little bit. A little bit down. Just a tiny bit. To your mouth. We can have them all the way down. Hang on. There we go. Beautiful.

I heard someone talk recently about a study in rats where they had two types of cages. One of the cages, the rats had water with cocaine in it. And in the other cage, the rats had water with cocaine in it. And also, they had a bunch of enrichment toys. So in the cage with no enrichment toys, the rats were like, yum, yum, cocaine. And in the cage with enrichment toys, the rats were like, oh, this cocaine is nice. But I'm mostly hanging out on this wheel. So I think a key to being depressed is to just having a lot of enrichment around you.

And I think that's what, like like all that kind of stuff is like when i'm really low i tether my week around some of the worst television yeah what are you watching i'm watching below deck us and mediterranean i'm watching alone actually a pretty good series i'm watching drive to survive comes out all at once but i'm watching the grand prix's as they evolve and it gives you structure to your week. Like you just have... Are you watching Australian Survivor? No, but I watched American Survivor with my family when I was growing up.

And it was... And I loved it so much that I did like a school presentation on it. I think I have just... I think I have a real in-depth history of just like finding things and hyper fixating on them but like i think if you if you keep just tethering your week together with with things so for me like that list would be definitely like absolute dog shit tv um larp larp happens once a week so that's like every friday hey you've had an absolutely terrible week and you feel like you can't make it through well you're lop and i think yeah what else i think um really intense dubstep

from like 2010 i love that you know what i'm getting into hard style at the moment and i'm loving that i just have an idea i'm trying to make a i'm making a did you ever watch the beatrix potter television show as a young person on the abc i can't i can't wait to see how this relates you know that show the new day everything is you know that show no all right well i'm just taking i'm making a hard style remix of that but also susan boyle i'm making a susan boyle edm album that rules i think um yeah i love i love that shit oh i love like irish irish folk like jigs and reels i have a tin whistle at home that i'm slowly learning more and more jigs and reels on which is fun um and yeah the form the formula i highly recommend if you are depressed,

like exercise has proven to be like one of the best prophylactics and treatments for depression. But if you can't exercise, I highly recommend getting into a sport. Yeah. Because. Did you have a sport before Formula One? Was Formula One the first big sport for you? Yes. I played hockey in high school and I played role.

I believe you. Having met you, I believe I've also played hockey in high school. What position were you? I was a goalkeeper. Oh, that's hardcore. I was a fullback. I wasn't that hardcore. They couldn't find anyone in year 12 to be the goalkeeper.

And I needed a sport for year 12 because in the IB, you've got to have like 50 hours of activity so I did that and uh did you ever get really badly injured I did not try hard enough I didn't ever put myself that rules I um I played hockey until uni where I played one game and I was I was always a fullback and I had a really good long hit. Like I could get the ball easily from one end of the pitch to the other in one single hit. Unfortunately, one time I did that, but I slightly like hesitated before the hit. And so the ball came up off the ground

and it smacked an opposing player in the knee and shattered her kneecap. And then after... It's like a martial artist who accidentally killed someone and then like no more literally i'm like i gotta put this these these hands are lethal weapons i can never use them again you watch the ball go right into the knee oh it was so it was so awful she i've never heard someone i don't think i've ever heard someone in that much pain in my life it was really or it was so bad i apologize i apologize that's pretty great though some people that would be the moment they started loving hockey no at that point i was like i'm too strong for my i'm too powerful so i stopped hockey but also i started skating in roller derby i think that genuinely was a massive, like, tether

and antidepressant enrichment for a couple of years because roller derby, any derby fans of the podcast will know that... It's possible that there is one. There might be. Adelaide has a lot of roller derby leagues. And you have the biggest... The airport's right there. It's so close to the airport, but I'm parking in the shade

because it's too hot. Yeah, Gorge. Adelaide has the largest roller derby event in the Southern Hemisphere. I believe it. The Great Southern Slam. It's huge. It's like hundreds of teams. It's so many fucking derby people.

Do people do the whip? You can do whips. people people do the whip they do there's you can you can do whips your flight is at two is that right boarding is 135 and i do have but i do have check luggage you're so fine yeah great you're gonna be great amazing i'll hold that for a while okay Okay. So sports are a big one. Absolutely. Because, like, so for example, like, Formula One, 23 Grand Prixs in a year. So that's, like, 23 races to look forward to. Outside of that, you've got all the in-between-the-race thing. You've got the gossip.

You've got the trading. You've got the qualies. You've got the free practice. You've got, like, all the different machinations within the teams. Like, ooh, Red Bull went over the spending cap. Ooh, f***ing Haas is having issues with their Russian driver. You got like all the different machinations within the teams. Like, oh, Red Bull went over the spending cap. Oh, f***ing Haas is having issues with their Russian driver. Always having issues of some kind or another.

These Haas people, they can't get it together. They're the best of the little teams, I do believe. But this is also, that's, I know a couple of people who over COVID got into it because of that documentary. All people who didn't already have a big other sport. So like footy, presumably, was not a big... Were you in Brisbane, Victoria, Sydney? Where were you growing up? Well, grew up in Canberra, so up the milk. So you had the option of rejecting both codes of football.

Yes. But then in Sydney, like, also my parents aren't into sport at all. Like, so... Yeah, I just never, like, had a code or anything that I followed. But then when I like found Formula One, that fucking ruled. And then I was like, maybe I'm a jock now. Maybe I'm in my jock era. And then my best mate Jono loves NFL.

And so I was like, I want to be able to relate to you on this NFL shit because I don't know how it works. So he assigned me a team. Who? The Broncos. Oh. The, the, the. What year? who the broncos oh the the the what year the denver broncos oh the denver oh sorry the american football yeah yeah um which turned out to be a horrific decision this year because last year no sorry so basically when he assigned me the team he was like it's orange your favorite color they're very exciting they're a very strong

defense but also they are one good quarterback away from being really great and then they got a good quarterback and then what did he do to himself oh he just was so and the entire team like anyway it was really it was quite sad so i'd be like on the treadmill at the gym just watching this team that i have an an overcommitted attachment. from SideNote Podcast, and I'm here to tell you about the new Google Pixel 9 powered by Gemini. Anyone who knows me knows the Pixel has always been my favorite out of all the phones I've ever had. Now with Gemini built in, it's basically my personal AI assistant. Since I'm truly terrible at keeping up with emails, I use Gemini to give me summaries of my inbox, which is a lifesaver. And if I'm feeling stuck creatively, I just ask Gemini for help and bam, instant inspiration. You can learn more about Google Pixel 9 at store.google.com. Nothing? Not really. I mean, I guess I should canonically be a Sydney Swan. You're in Victoria though, right?

Yeah, so I should. I'm in Brunswick. But like I didn't grow up with AFL. Like they don't have AFL in Canberra or really in Sydney. They're trying so hard now. They're doing their very best to make inroads, but it's just not working. I was a very late football. I came to it late.

Surely you are. You are crows. There's a crumb beanie by your feet, which is the... So we're a soulless team that was invented in the 90s. And it's in there somewhere. It's in there somewhere. It might be in the back. But no, we're trying to have some life to it.

Is this a girl roller skating past us? Wow. Okay, so... Correction, that was inline blades. Not allowed in roller derby. Because you go too fast? You'd cut people? Literally, you'd f*** people up.

Although I did once know a referee in roller derby called Gary. That was his ref... Like, everyone in derby gets to choose a derby name, which is, like, their alter ego name. It's very... It's more like wrestling, really, than others. Were you a WWE person? No, but a friend of mine is massively into wrestling.

And so that's become another little tether lately. Like I've been watching, we watched the Japanese women's wrestling championship. Absolutely. It's like insane. Showmanship like no other. These women are just throwing each other around. It's so good. It's so fucking good. fucking i have a long weird history of very intense wrestling that was when mick foley

went away and came back he went away to japan and they were like he's been brutalized in japan the things they taught him in japanese wrestling these some of the great war criminals have taught him what to had a dominate human flesh um but they didn't use the australian accent what's the other have you ever seen the television show the oa yeah that's just a man farting in his home on the other side of the fence i think it was you never saw the oa i did see the oa what do you think of the oa you watch both seasons or one season no i watched the first season yeah honestly like a thing about having bipolar is that sometimes uh you're crying because that man did a big fart no i'm just losing my voice

imagine if that was what made me cry i've been telling a story of suicide survival in a fucking shipping container in an outdoor venue suburban fart has really set you over the end that's what broke me in the end. Everyone has their breaking point. Are you at the end of the tether having done the show a lot? Or do you disconnect from it? You disconnect from it. No, I mostly disconnect from it. But on Tuesday, because I was doing it at 9.15 where it was dark,

and I was like, this is workable. And then from Tuesday to Thursday I had to do during the daylight, and it was dark and I was like, this is workable. And then from Tuesday to Thursday I had to do During the Daylight and it was so rough. The Tuesday show was, I had a full-on spiral, which I've never had after that show. Was I at that one? I think so. No, I was at Wednesday.

Yeah, by Wednesday I was fine. But on Tuesday I was like, it was like the worst vulnerability hangover I'd ever had in front of all these people that were just, and including people that I knew, like mates were in that night. And it was so hard to feel like I was performing or had a sense of distance from this story when it's broad daylight and you can see everyone's faces. Yes, I've decided never to do a show like that again.

That was what I got out of it when I did it last year. It's too, it's too much i just i can't my next show is going to be so dumb it's the new show in melbourne yeah yeah it's gonna be good but it's gonna like i just i can't do it's it it's okay if it feels like far away and like oh this is the thing that happened to me like 10 now nearly 12 years ago but also like some sometimes when you have when you have bipolar sometimes if you're getting a little bit elevated things just feel like there's a really great collection of essays called the collected schizophrenia's by esme wajin wang where she talks about having schizophrenia and how like she can't watch science fiction

because it all feels a bit too real. And when I watched the OA, it felt... Too real. A little bit. I was like, maybe I could bust out of a prison. Did you get to the end of the first season? Yes. Yeah.

But I can't remember what happens at the end. All I remember is that she's like kind of magic and then they're all in a jail together and then she does like really elevated sign language and kind of gets them out. It has one of the better endings to a season that I've, but then the second season really superimposed a lot of stuff back to the first season.

But it's a total like, it becomes a weird lose yourself in it. People went on a hunger strike afterwards when they cancelled it after the second season people in los angeles were starving themselves outside of netflix's studio okay i'm not i'm not shocked that that show got that response but also it reminds me of sean smith do you joke about i don't know the joke okay. I shared a drive back from the Gold Coast with Sian Smith last year, and it was great. And I'll leave this in, but it was very,

it was an intense automobile ride. Yeah. It was a lot, Sian. If you're listening, Sian, because Sian and I did the Raw National Finals together. You're new. You've not been in this for ages. What year?

2018. Who won that year? Beck Melrose. I don't know that person. Hold on. She's from Sydney. She does a lot of improv stuff. She had a show about ibises.

She does a lot of writing work and in a lot of writers. Tell me who else was in that year. I'm trying to place it. Emma Holland came runner-up. Yes. And Gavin Semple also came runner-up. Ah. Little Gavin Semple.

He's around. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Man, this is all... It's frightening that all those people are so new. Yeah. We've all been at it for like...

2018. Hold on. Let me look up the... So... You tell that answer and then I'll... So, but I remember sorry when you were just saying people in los angeles starving themselves that reminds me of sean smith's joke where she's like um was gandhi really going on hunger strike or was he just anorexic

do you just have a mad eating disorder and he's like yeah i'm doing it for the people and it also reminds me of like when all these girls in my high school used to do a 40-hour famine which ostensibly was like raising money for Oxfam or World Vision or whatever but they just want to look great they just want to trim down absolutely yeah I'm trying to do a bit about anorexia at the moment it's not going well have you ever had a lived experience of anorexia I've had a lived experience of eating disorders in that I have very disordered eating. I reckon you can get around it then. I think so.

Well, I mean, what is risk-taking other than finding out what you shouldn't do and trying to do some version of that that is, you know, to stick the landing? Wouldn't that be very impressive? I find that more interesting. I'm trying to think of who to blame for anorexia because people talk about like the fashion industry

ah it's a long bit mainly i want to break it down that it's a great sounding word it sounds like a russian princess anorexia but also that um that there's something egalitarian about it where the current beauty standard that's being enforced on ladies is like really surgery is necessary to get that to happen. It's like a very, very, you've got to have these tits, you've got to have this bottom, you've got the arms, you've got to have a corset on. And you have to inject a type of botulism into your face

and your lips have to be deformed. And in the 90s, it was just you have to be a type of botulism into your face. Your lips have to be deformed. And in the 90s, it was just you have to be very, very thin. You know? There was an achievable beauty standard. Not a good one. Not a healthy one. But it gave every woman the chance, the opportunity to hurt herself until she felt beautiful. And there's an egalitarianism to that.

That we've left. Maybe obviously better if we all just loved our bodies and were good to ourselves. No, but I think there's a point to be made that anorexia is really the closest, you know, that's the comrades. All banding together in solidarity and being like, you know what, we will all starve ourselves because nothing tastes as good as skinny feels. It's such a good line, Kate Moss. Oh, God, it's a good line. Like, that line has done so much damage to young women, but also, God, it's good.

I think, yeah, I think the fact that you... OK, because I saw a comparison picture the other day of Wolverine, Hugh Jackman's Wolverine from early on. I don't want to make it about men's body standards. No, but it's happened. And no one, it's like a frog getting boiled alive slowly. Yeah. And no one has noticed.

And it's like, if you look at Hugh Jackman's first Wolverine appearance, he looks like, by today's standards, it would be like, wow, that's so brave of him to do. But he's meant to be the strongest man in the movie he like that's the example of your super super strong muscly man is just a normal looking guy yes it's very weird and i'm an australian survivor if i make it about that all the flair everyone looks like a pro wrestler at this point it used to be normal people on an island together. Even Ben Law looks. Benjamin Law.

He's put in the work. He's shredded. Yeah. He tried to play too hard. He was obvious. I don't want to do any spoilers for anyone, but he obviously loved Survivor. Yeah. And was like, I'm going to get to do some Survivor.

I'm going to whisper at a tribal council. I'm going to get to do some Survivor. I'm going to whisper at a tribal council. I'm going to be mean. And it's like, it would be so, because there's all these people who don't know anything about Survivor on the Australian one. And they're dopes. And everyone's quite happy to have them just picked off one by one and carry a couple through to the end, and then you win. But then there are people who love it and are exposed by their.

And then the Nuffies don't appreciate people who love it and are exposed by their and then like the the nuffies don't appreciate people who love survivor and they're playing hard and they're like why is he being mean why is he lying and people like it's survivor you're meant to lie it's a game about lying but he was i tell you ben i don't know if you're a listener have you met do you know benjamin law no well he looked good. He looks very good. I think in Survivor there is a real risk of overplaying it. And I think also Australian audiences of Survivor versus American audiences of Survivor have very different expectations.

In American Survivor, it is a very legitimate strategy to be absolutely piss weak in physical challenges and just strategize your way to the end. But I feel like if... Okay, full disclosure, i haven't watched a lot of australian survivor although maybe that will be of what you're describing where george got to the end a man named george who's a political operative who's back this year who's really bulked up but not enough because he was very but he would just like quit like when he was losing a challenge you're like right i'm sitting down and at the end they were all like george why didn't you work harder at challenges and he's like how dare you hold that against me i got you voted out

but it was a brains versus braun season and it was a lot of you know what i'm saying the iq yeah i feel like that the the motto for survivor is outwit outplay outlast outwit and outplay both of of those are like, it's meant to be a game of strategy. That's the whole point of the game. And also... Outplay has been now taken amine on that jury. Outplayed people at the challenges for individual immunity that week, which is an incoherent... I've never heard anyone in the America one go,

but you were better at challenges. You were so good at challenges. Your physicality was beautiful. You should win the million dollars. Never happens. I'm sorry. I get very passionate about it. No,

I absolutely, I agree. And it's, I, the, the small fractions of what I've seen of Australian survivor, they're treating it a lot more like this is like a physical challenge with some reality show added extra steps rather

than like this is an intense game of essentially applying game theory and machiavellian strategy in the wilderness also if you think you're about to lose a physical challenge and you know you have a limited calorific intake limited fresh water sit down so you can survive it's called survivor not victor victor this season is the difference this is the first season where it's been they got it right it's great i'm just saying anyone out there i've got a friend who's uh who's currently experiencing some severe mental health crisis and that was my one like get to episode five once you're at episode five, you know, who knows what other things will be going on in life. But if you, you know,

if you've just started taking the antidepressants and you've got to go with that first week of things not being right, cling on to, maybe it's not episode five, maybe it's episode seven. The episodes are too long and there's too many of them before it gets great. But when it gets going, Oh, I won't even, I won't even bother. But I want to, okay, music, albums that do it for you. Real repeat listen stuff. Honestly, I'm a real philistine when it comes to albums. You don't have the big fancy music. Oh, no, you're a single person? Yeah.

Okay, give me the singles. Oh, like, I don't know. I feel like I have nothing constructive to add. Like, I just, I find a Spotify playlist and I plug in. Right. No, music isn't everyone's thing. No. Music for airports.

Brian Eno. Brian Eno. I love ambient music. I love ambient music. I can tell you, like, ASMR people. Okay, I'll take it. Okay. Whispers Red, British.

She's lovely. Her name's Emma. She's lovely. Her name's Emma. She's great. Gentle Whispers, obviously the OG. She's from Russia. And she has this strange, like, Russian intonation that just makes all her spoken ASMR really beautiful. Is there no sexual component to these things?

No. Not in the, like, mainstream ASMR community. But now what has happened is that a lot of, I guess, OnlyFans or cam girls are doing ASMR stuff that is explicit. But it's lodged on OnlyFans websites. So on YouTube, if you find ASMR, even if there's simulated kissing or lip smacking, it can get removed. So it's very pure. Really? Yeah.

But that's, what, so like someone just doing something erotic with their mouth, like a little, that'll get you taken off. I mean, if it's framed as erotic, yes. This is very much like the gray line of like, I don't know what porn is but i know when i see it but like most asmr is incredibly like like pure platonic deeply like intimate but in a very safe way there's often a lot of like caretaking role play like i like you've got a headache and you can't get to sleep and so i i read you a soothing story like it's incredibly child it's incredibly infantilizing if you're listening to it you love it i love it so much i've been on the asmr train for at least 10 years you're early adopter yeah like wait like way before it was like its own hashtag and its own

genre on youtube back when they had an alternative platform called soothe tube where they found asmr that was accidental this was like all the bob ross videos and like this is a tutorial on how to make beaded bracelets and then it was what time do you need to be the airport by the way probably like now we should make a we should make a ways um it's been a pleasure i don't know that i trust myself uh into from uh i'm trying to be straight and narrow with the erotica so i don't i think asmr at least, that sort of intimacy is probably a gateway. Yeah. Yeah.

So I'm going to be careful with that. But I'm going to give you the microphone and anything else you can. That soundtrack was so good, that Brokeback Mountain soundtrack. That really helped me. Anything that you could quickly throw out as we drive there, I'm going to give you the microphone and you just go for it. final quick throw out first of all thanks for having me on this pod this is the most chaotic recording i've ever done this is not top five most chaotic podcasts for me that's crazy all right that's insane um uh other things that are that i that i hold on to overwatch

to the video game yep i'm a gold Mercy main, which sounds impressive from the outside, and if you are worth your salt in Overwatch, you know it's actually quite impressive because the Mercy reboot was very cruel to her mobility. What else? The Brokeback Mountain soundtrack, very good. Traditional Irish reels, as I've already mentioned. Reels?

Reels, jigs. I thought reels like Instagram. Oh, no I've already mentioned. Reels. Reels, jigs. I thought Reels like Instagram. Oh, no, no, no. No, I'm really off Instagram and TikTok as a rule. But what else? Oh, Great British Bake Off. Perfect escapism. I've never really watched it.

I'm told the James Acaster one is great. Is that true? I've actually not seen the James Acaster one because they have celebrity ones, which he was on. Oh, non-celebrity. Yeah, the non-celebrity ones are heaps better. No, no, no. The base version is a non-celebrity version.

So watching Bake Off was like my comfort viewing for this entire Fringe Festival. I would go home and watch another episode of Bake Off. Best season? Best episode? I would say best season is probably the one with Giuseppe and Gunter, although hashtag justice for Gunter. No spoilers, but that man got eliminated way too early.

And it was like they were holding him to a higher standard. Anyway, whatever. Did you watch Project Runway? I love Project Runway. That was a big thing. I love Project Runway. I love Project Runway. And then also there's a season where, yeah,

there are just some bad choices where tim knows it's a bad choice and tim is furious uh but did you ever watch them on do you watch them on netflix where they had like 10 year old seasons on netflix no i missed those so i only got to see i've only seen two or three seasons and they're in the new reboot with Christian Siriano and what's her name? Carly Kloss. Carly Kloss. No offense to Carly, but the worst, most superfluous fucking host I've ever seen on television. Oh, Drag Race.

Heidi Klum is excellent, by the way. Oh, Glow Up. Very good. It's about makeup. Oh, Blown Away, which is a glass blown. I was so fucking infuriated by Blown Away because every episode it's the same drama. I watched the first season, loved it.

That lovely old New York lesbian one, she was terrific. But then by the second season it's like, what, just someone will drop it and then they'll go home? You drop it with a half an hour to go and you can't make anything good and it's like, all right, you've got to go. I mean, that doesn't seem fair. Man man i don't know what to tell you about glass blowing but that's the game that's the game i always think of people breathing in and then the hot hot air destroying the lung it is it is kind of horrifying the heat with which they're working

but i love uh deborah zarenko who was the winner of season one of that. And I love how... I'm not just for calling her the New York lesbian. No, that's a... She'd probably be stoked with that moniker. But I loved how... I love any kind of, like, autistic coded reality TV character. And they're just trying to make their way through this crazy, crazy world. You are going to love season two of Making the Cut.

Like, supreme. No one comes out and says, that man is very autistic, but he's just so good, so good at it. I find that craft show, I watched a couple of seasons of that, the Amy Poehler craft show with Nick Offerman, but it didn't quite do it for me at any point. I was upset with who was winning. I don't think I could watch that.

I left Amy Poehler and Nick Offerman combo well alone after Parks and Rec. I was like, you had a good thing going back in 2014. Did you watch all of Parks and Rec? No, I didn't watch all of Parks and Rec. I watched a lot of it. That was Chris Pratt before he got like weirdly, horrifically Christian and shredded. And he was just a f***ing guy.

Before he got great, you mean. He's doing better than ever. Hashtag go Chris Pratt. All right, we're done. We're done, man. Thank you for coming on the podcast. Thank you so much for having me. Let's get you into this airport.

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