The James Donald Forbes McCann Catamaran Plan - Luke Kidgell in an IKEA food court

Episode Date: December 4, 2022

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now wherever you get your podcasts a cast helps creators launch grow and monetize their podcasts everywhere a cast.com Acast helps creators launch, grow, and monetize their podcasts everywhere. Acast.com What you are about to hear is an episode I recorded a few days ago with Luke Kijal. Luke Kijal is the top comedian in terms of sheer numbers. I think he's also the top comedian in terms of handsomeness, boyish, good-natured optimism and crowd work. How's that? Obviously I'm the best comedian in general because if I didn't think I was the best comedian I wouldn't do it anymore. But Luke Kedgel has a real positive energy and he's built a big, big following.

And he's very, very funny and I really enjoy watching him work. And so I interviewed him for the podcast. He came to town and I opened for him and he agreed to let me interview him for the podcast. And well, I interviewed him in an Ikea food court. That's where we went for the first part of the interview. People get sick of me saying it came to me in a dream. But I have wanted to, for a long time, do a podcast visually. You know, when people put up the clips of their podcast, they're just sitting about on their couch or in their little studio.

And they all sort of look the same to me so i wanted to do something visually more interesting and set it up sort of like a pokemon battle where you can see the outline of the back of one person's head and then the other person's in the distance but then it flips and it's the other way around so visually it's great if you'd like the visual episode uh currently i'm just going to pop that up on the Patreon and that will last for about a week before it is publicly available on YouTube and you can listen to the audio here I'm sorry about the clattering in the IKEA food court

well I'm not sorry I think that adds to the charm but if you'd like the video version which is the superior version you can go over to the James Donald Forbes McCann catamaran Plan Patreon. Or just wait a single week and have it for free on YouTube.

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is the James Donald Forbes McCann Christmas special. Christmas special. Christmas special. Here, for your listening pleasure, is the Luke Kijal interview. And, of course, if you'd like that visual pleasure, please go over to the Patreon. God bless. Much love.

Thank you very much. So as a child, what's your youngest and most pressing memory? That's a bold question to ask in an IKEA food court. But I think it's important that we get back to the beginning, for the opening, to think about who we are. I'll tell you mine. My first memory is it was my first birthday party, and I walked into a screen door that closed on my face.

It was closing in, and it hit me right in the noggin. And that's your first memory? It's my first memory. What jumps out at you? I remember stuff from kindergarten. Like I remember that we used to put these rings on our arms and you'd be more powerful in kindergarten. I guess in hindsight they were just coits rings.

But at the time we'd all put them over our arms and it was a fight to get the most rings. And we'd all run to like the shed where the equipment was and try and get the most rings and that's probably three year old kinder oh i have memory you know you have memories that you think you remember but you someone's really just told you later in life it happened yes or i've seen a family video i had a memory where I went to Puffing Billy once as a child, which is the steam train in Belgrave in Melbourne. And I had pebbles in my shoe the entire time. And I was crying all day,

and mum and dad couldn't work out why I was crying because I couldn't communicate yet. And at the end of the day, mum felt awful because she took off my shoes and they were just full of rocks. And she's... Wait, but that really happened? That really happened, but they couldn't figure out why I was crying all day long.

They just thought I was being a sook. They thought I hated trains, but it's just because I couldn't walk all day because I had rocks in my shoes. But I didn't have the vocabulary yet to explain my predicament. I think it's interesting you've got two rock-based memories to begin with, but also both about power. One about accruing power and the other about the power

other people have over you and not being believed. Yeah. Do you feel that that's a struggle for you? Go on, I didn't mean to cut you off. No, sorry, I just meant I think I look back on that as a traumatic memory, but I think i only remember it because it's been told to me later in life i have no memory of that but i know it happened intriguing me and my brother we once climbed a mountain in new zealand and became lost

and uh it's not it doesn't figure largely in my memory but my parents thought we were going to die and we actually thought we were going to die at the time we recorded a video on the family camcorder saying goodbye if we died on this new zealand mountain and my brother and i are quite happy to leave that in the past and not reflect on it but you know because they have that video and have held on to it every time a girlfriend would come over to my parents house or a friend or whatever they would insist on putting this video on over and over again yeah That it was, to me, traumatic. You know, to you, the rock thing, not even important. But reiterated over and over again like a character-defining thing.

Yes. Yes. What was the choice to open with First Memory? Is that a common guest question? Where else should we begin? Where else should we begin here on the James Donald Forbes McCann catamaran plan IKEA special? We're speaking with Luke Kijal, the most successful.

Can we now say, I think of a generation of comedians, you're now the most successful? No. Well, financially in Australia, yes. No. Wait, what do you mean generation? Like, dude, Dave Hughes would be loaded. Dave Hughes is not in our generation. Dave Hughes belongs to another time.

Tommy Little? I think our generation should potentially be defined as people who have come to some sort of prominence or done their work at a time after television had the ability to make anyone a star. So Tommy Little was there right at the end, right? Tommy Little, right at the end, bam. Everybody knows Tommy Little. But even if someone was in Tommy Little's position now, they couldn't make him Tommy Little the way they used to.

I think that's a defining transition. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I don't think it's up to, it's not my place to say where I stand. I'm not going to sit here on this, on your beautiful podcast in an IKEA food court and rank Australian comedians financially. You don't have to.

But I think within two parameters, you're an exceptional talent and worth speaking to here on the show today. Within all of the comedians who are respectable and good at doing comedy that the comedians go oh that guy's pretty good at comedy you are you are doing the best financially but then within all the internet people you know when people whenever comedians are shit-talking internet comedians and which they might not do in front of you right because that might be considered poor i know it happens and they actually do do it in front of me sometimes well i do it all the time.

But people will always say, and whenever someone starts off, I will always say, you know, they go, this guy sucks, this guy sucks. They're just internet people. And I'll say, but what about Luke Kijal? And they'll go, Luke Kijal is the one who crosses, you know, in this, it's the singular point where the two circles meet of these two worlds of people with some sort of indie comedy club credibility and then also people who can actually make a living doing comedy i mean that's a very

unusual position to be in and a lot of people must really hate you for it um i'm not sure i hope that's not the case but potentially i think there's a few others like i think neil kohaka has i'm being unkind almost being unkind of course yeah i think there's a few others because neil kohaka has also done mainstream stuff and online stuff. And he's been on like the Sydney Gala and whatnot. You know, there's a few people that have transcended what I've done even. So, look, I appreciate you're all very kind. The fact that you've come up with one name, I think, drives home the rarity of this situation.

Oh, fuck. Because we could also say there are a great number of excellent comedians. I'm not even saying talent. I'm saying, you know, people who decide to go out to the clubs night after night after night. This is a rarity. This is an unusual thing. Lewis does it, who I did a podcast with many years.

Lewis Spears, he gigs. I don't want this podcast to become, look at my friends and they're all excellent. Yeah, exactly. You know, I'm sure they're great. But I think you're in a fairly, people seem to favor one or the other oh well i appreciate it um now i'm not even saying it's a good thing i mean the work ethic it means you must be driven by some preternatural unpleasantness you're like can you stop taking things i say as a

compliment yeah i didn't mean it like well well done, congratulations. It's like, what is this coming at the expense of? Where in your personal life are you being hollowed out? Like, for one thing, you're in this... Now, we will concede that this is an unusual position. Your girlfriend works with you creatively and professionally. Yes. And, I assume, intimately. Now, this is a...

That must be a very close relationship. Yeah, especially the intimate one. That's the side. That part of it is extremely close. Thank goodness for that. We don't have a HR department at our workplace for that reason. Because that would be bad news if we did. Actually, I think she is head of HR, but she allows it, so that's fine.

Actually, she's been doing some serial abusing and not reporting it upstairs. Yeah, it's true, actually. No, it's cool working with her. I mean, it kind of just happened naturally. During COVID, she was a remedial masseuse, and then obviously that all shut down. And then she started doing some bits and pieces for me, kind of enjoyed it, and then just never went back. And she also had some health problems

that didn't permit her to be on her feet all day. She has a heart condition. She has POTS and a bunch of other health issues. So it kind of just works. This is not even to mention the eye condition that has struck her down today. No, that was just a bad... She went to a dodgy lash bar,

and she is now taking steroids because they chemically burned her eyes. No, but she does have an actual chronic illness other than her current eye... temporary eye hindrance. Should we explain to your listeners... Sorry, it sounds like I can't hear James properly that's because that is the case we're in

I think we don't mention what's happening and we don't try and explain it I think the best ideas come on some sort of subconscious level and what see and here's as long as people just know that I literally can hear every second word you're saying

so you know you can oh i'll slow it down it's the airpods they don't actually work as a communication device no would you like me to bring my phone up to my ear i mean that might be a clearer way of doing it i'll join you on your terms a few people are staring but no one has the i guess it's so wild what you can get away with. I won't be able to hear you for a moment. Now, how's that? Is that any better? Is that better there? All right.

But let me ask you this. Now, you might want to lift that screen back up so people can see my beautiful face. You have this... Now, you basically have a road dog lifestyle i mean you're touring how many days a year i don't know you've got four shows in adelaide at the moment we still aren't we're still four shows in adelaide over two days which is a lot by anybody's book you know and the fact that you're traveling together with your partner that your brother i think is taking care of you know how much i get paid for the opening spots, which I appreciate. You know, there's a family element to all of this.

Yeah, and you know my mum works for me as well. She fulfills the merge. I was unaware of this. Is this true? No, this is 100% true. And what is funny, we have about eight people working for us now. Four of them, one of them is my best friend from high school. It's a real family affair.

And dad has just retired for he was a primary school teacher and there is there's big chat of hiring him as security just to get a hundred percent the immediate family in the business and what's funny is uh everyone gets to invite their partners to our christmas party and because my mom works for me it means my dad is now at the christmas party this is this is again i like whenever unusual things happen in pairs i like to wonder if they dovetail that you have this community mindedness and that also you're competing in all these fields creatively professionally top of the game i mean your personal relationships seem to be in sync there's a lot of people like a

lot of comedians who would do one thing right would sit in their room and bang out the computer all day or would just go to stage after stage after stage getting the comedy right and tight but basically as an excuse to have sex meaningless sex with many women in many different cities or many men some of the gay comedians some of the woman comedians fine but that really can't be your motivation because you have your girlfriend up the back of the room making a videotape of you and possibly mum in the corner doing the merch and dad working the security.

I mean... Are you asking me what is the motivation? Well, I'm saying, is there... Breaking news happens anywhere, anytime. Police have warned the protesters repeatedly, get back. CBC News brings the story to you as it happens. Hundreds of wildfires are burning. Be the first to know what's going on and what that means for you and for Canadians.

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It's out now wherever you get your podcasts. Acast helps creators launch, grow, and monetize their podcasts everywhere. Acast.com. Is not what is the motivation. I want to get to the motivation. We'll come back to the childhood memory. But I want to say, do you think these things work in synthesis? That these are non-tortured personal relationships that might allow you to achieve at a very high level?

I think so. Because I think I've been with other management and stuff before and it was fine but it just didn't work out or whatever. And I now prefer it because ultimately the reason why I did my brother, I know some people say you shouldn't work with family. And it may, by the way, this is early stages. We record another episode in perhaps like a McDonald's food court or something like that in a few years.

I might not speak to any of my family at that point that's true you know what i mean like this is early days people say it's like uh but a lot of people warn me like shouldn't go in business with your family but we've always been a pretty close family and even if it doesn't work out i don't think we'll all cut off ties but i just just trust my brother in the sense that like he has all my best interests at heart you know not only for like himself because obviously he takes a cut but also like he he doesn't want to see me homeless and fail like what he wants to see you come up and his suffering is your suffering he doesn't want to be responsible

exactly for his brother's suffering i mean sometimes i think of that elvis movie you know where elvis's daddy doesn't look out for elvis yeah elvis you gotta go back to vegas you gotta do it again i'm sorry we did start calling him the snowman for about two months after the film came out I'm not gonna lie like whenever he like he like there was one

where we'd all we're already doing you know for merch we're doing stubby coolers we're doing t-shirts caps jumpers posters

you name it and then my brother goes what about coasters and we were like snowman strikes again and can I can I tell you the coasters? And we were like, snowman strikes again. And can I tell you, the coasters were not a hit. Because we were selling stickers

and then some people saw round stickers on the table and said, oh, they said, hey, are these coasters? And then they were like, no, no, no, they're actually stickers. And they mistook people's curiosity as demand and it was there was no demand there was people just curious to see what we were

selling but and then we jack's like dude why are you saying that the idea came out of him just there being something circular on the table and people wondering what it was and he's gone people and then jack was like dude people keep asking for coasters i'm like no no they were asking about coasters they were clarifying what the round object was i don't think anyone does do merch coast i signed some last night after the show and i and because because we don't sell them very often so then when someone does buy them i always go oh, we have coasters. You get... Well, they'd be easy to travel with. And these are reusable coasters, right?

I don't think we'll be doing coasters again next year. We're going to stick to stubby coolers. They are a popular item. The stubby coolers hit in regional Queensland. People are more excited to have something they can carry around with their beer rather than what they leave their beer on. Exactly. There's something about it. But do you see... I mean, do you see just to just to turn to my point i think it's a very important so i just lean around this

way i'll leave it over this way it's so dumb it's so dumb um like that's i just mean that that's two unique things in the business about you and the way you're conducting yourself and if i may say a third thing the ease with which you carry yourself. We were talking yesterday about, I was speaking mostly about Kanye and his Adolf Hitler obsession. Yeah. I don't go on Twitter that much. You're off the discourse. Yeah.

You're not living in the, and there's a real negativity and an unseemliness to the online culture and discussion. And there's a real negativity and an unseemliness to the online culture. When you're pretty much a traveling coaster salesman, the day eats away. You don't really have time to... I always know the base level thing. I'm like, oh yeah, Kanye has said some anti-Semitic comments and I might say one or two examples online. And I know enough that if I have to engage in a discussion about it, I'm not going to be like, yeah, Kanye's crushing it right now.

I always just stay across things enough where I'm like, I'm not going to feel left out in a social circumstance. But I also, in a way, I think it's wrong these days to say I do not care. Really, it's very selfish about other things. Is all your care and attention on the self and on the coasters and on the family? Friends. Where is the care? Friends and family and myself.

And that's quite insular. And I know that's a somewhat problem. Well, you're also... I mean, for many people in the comedy scene, you'll be dispirited. You know, the old Morrissey song, we hate it when our friends become successful. You know, someone gets the gala, someone does it, someone's up, someone's down. But you really move with a click.

Your business structure is much more like a black rapper mentality of where we go one, we go all, we're all here together. We all roll. I got my crew. I got my man. I'm helping him make his TikTok videos. Go Robert Irwin in a brothel. Do it, man.

Make it happen. Right. Yeah, yeah. I mean, kind of. I mean, Blake was just a good fit for opening. But you're right. Now we're doing his tour next year with our business. You're running his tour?

My brother. It's not me. I didn't... This thing, it makes me feel uncomfortable getting involved with other comedians because I don't want to take their money. I don't care. I just want... I want him to do well. But then we're like... He's like, I want a tour. I'm like, oh, who's doing it? getting involved with other comedians because i don't want to take their money i don't care i just want i want him to do well but then we're like he's like i want a tour i'm like oh who's doing

it and he was like i don't know i don't know how to do it and he's like should i just email venues and we're like oh my god and then we need to get you a tour manager sure but listen my brother's going to talk to you about coasters yeah and you need to tell him no that was literally day one i was like look this snowman will strike again, but do not let him strike while the iron's cold because the coaster market is not good. He's got a lot of cold irons in the refrigerator. Are we being moved on?

No, I think they want to join the podcast. Oh, we're just having a chat. Did you want to join in? These were the people who were in the IKEA bed before. Were you in the bed before? Yeah. Okay, hold on. Grab a chair, come on over.

And do you want to go over to Luke? And we'll just have a quick chat now. You're great. We're just on a podcast. Do you want to talk to each other? In the IKEA food court. Here you go. It's somewhat amusing. We're surprised that no podcast. Do you want to talk to each other? In the IKEA food court. Here you go. Here we just talk.

It's somewhat amusing. We're surprised that no one's moved us on. Hi. So what was your name? Natalia. Hi. Sammy over here. Sammy and Natalia. Sammy.

Yeah. What a pleasure. And what brings you to IKEA today? An apple and some festive chocolate. An apple and some festive chocolate. Yeah. This is what we'll discuss in the car. It's not the furniture that brings people to Ikea.

It's the general vibe. It was the meatballs, but they're a bit expensive, so I can't afford them. We actually came for the quilt covers and the beds. You hung up on me. There's been a difficulty in the podcast. We'll now continue in two islands together. Hold on. Oh, I got a text and the podcast will now continue in two islands together. Hold on. Oh, I got a text.

Oh, it's Luke calling back again. Sorry, I accidentally hung up the phone call. Can I talk to the person you've got over there as well? Hey. Hello, what's your name? Oh, I was too late. I'm sorry. Talia?

Talia, what are you up to today in Ikea? Look, honestly, we're driving past. There's not much to do anywhere else but Ikea. Well, it was such a hot day. You know, we were going to record this in the parklands, but I said, I think an Ikea food court's the only place I want to go. Do you know what I was very disgusted with? What?

Was the absence of the big cans of apple and pear drink that they used to have here. Do you know what I'm referring to? No, now I want to know. I'm going to have to Google that. They used to have like 600ml cans of a carbonated apple drink. Oh, yes, I know exactly what you're talking about. I do. Yeah.

It's delicious. They've stopped it. They don't do it anymore. Have you asked them why? You know, at the moment I'm trying to have as few interactions with the staff at IKEA as possible because I think what I'm doing is probably not on. Now, do you want to talk to your friend for a moment on the podcast?

Sure. Okay, here we go. Hi, man. How are you? How are you going with your apple? Yeah, I'm halfway through, but I was scared that they could hear me crunch, so I didn't do it.

All right. This is really cool. All right. Love being normal. All right. Love you. I'll see you soon. All right?

Okay. Love you too. Bye. Thanks so much for joining us. It's been a pleasure having you both on the show. What a pleasure. I hope you have a wonderful day. It's called the James Donald Forbes McCann Catamaran Plan. You know what?

If you've got a phone, if you've got a phone, I'll bang it on the phone. It is on Spotify. Yep. There is truly nothing that is more, like, shameless than a man plugging his podcast in an IPFU court. And it's the podcast that he's currently recording. Mid-record, writing down the name of the poet in their phone. Well, I'll dismiss that.

May I follow? I'll give you a follow. I'll give me a follow. Hey, I'm on Instagram. His name's Luke. I'm James. And we're just... So, Luke, what do you think is the prime motivator in your...

Thank you so much for coming on. God bless you. Have a good one. Would you say that the desire to go forward and dominate, will to power is what's motivating you at this point? What makes you happy about doing these things? I mean, it's so much fun. Like, last night was so much fun. Don't you reckon?

Wasn't it just? Like, that room, like, I was saying this to Meg, and I don't want this to sound like it's, I don't know, coming. Look, it was so much fun. Like, we've been doing quite big venues this year on this tour, and that was probably the most fun I've had all year, and a tiny little room two floors up in Adelaide. Wasn't it just?

It was just like, there's something about it. I don't know. I like doing jokes. Is that weird? No, I think it's beautiful. I think it happens all too seldom in the business. And, you know, one of the reasons I'm happy to have you on is that each of these levels, you know, the personal, the professional, and also your attitude about it,

you seem to carry yourself with the ease of it one in another circumstance would be a holy man and it's very strange and it's very humbling and it's um it's a lot for me to reflect on because i think of myself as a very small bitter person you know and so rarely do i come i may not project but this is what haunts me we're all haunted by an image of ourself We're all alienated by someone who we think we may be and who we wish to escape from. I think of Ursula Le Guin's seminal classic, The Wizard of Earthsea. I don't know if you've read Ursula Le Guin's The Wizard of Earthsea.

No, I have not. I'm not an avid reader. Oh, man, it's fucking sick. Ah, now that's interesting. You don't read. I say in my show that I read, but I guess I go on to kind of prove that I don't really because at one point I do suggest that I'm more of a Captain Underpants man

than an avid reader. That got a big laugh from Dexter in the front row last night. That was a 13-year-old boy and it really got him back on board. Has any book ever resonated with you in a profound way? Oh, finally. Have there been, now I've got to, has any book ever resonated with you in a profound way? Oh, yeah. I'm a big biography man, more so these days.

I'm a bit of a sucker. Again, I really like comedy, so I read books from comedians. I read Adam Hills' book. I really enjoyed that. I read Kevin Hart's book. I read, I got halfway through,

I didn't finish it, Shane Jacobson's A Road to Overnight Success I remember the cover well A great book But yeah I'm more of like I read about people

But then Growing up You know Staunch Harry Potter man The Basics We're talking Too Cool I don't know if you remember

That franchise The Alex Rider series Teenage Spy I very much enjoyed The Alex Rider series Teenage Spy I very much enjoyed the Alex Rider series Teenage Spy Skullduggery Pleasant we're talking teen classics here

that was more because my mum used to work in a bookshop so I used to get quiet and like you know I just get gifted books every year for Christmas

but then by the end it's one of those things where if it's around you too much were you off by Twilight or was Twilight big enough that you were caught up

into the Twilight world no that was that was definitely more female orientated. Particularly when I was in high school. You wouldn't be caught dead in year nine reading about Edward Cullen and the lads. Ah, no. Yes, I'm thinking about how I'm a little bit older than you. And so it was, the movies hadn't come out yet. And it was a cultural phenomenon.

Yes. And it was, you knew it was mostly for girls. But you could rip through it in an afternoon it's not a challenging read no but also then something like the hunger games would have been too late for you i think i did i just watched the movies but i think i read the first book or something and i was like and then because i'd already seen the movies i think i was like oh it bothers me if you read it in reverse order it then bothers you that the book is not like the movies yeah that's the way you know it but it's the same thing when they make uh movie adaptations of books all the nerds go it's nothing like the book but i'm usually a movie man so i'm like the book's nothing like the film

why doesn't the book say that katniss is so hot katniss is meant to be more hot isn't she supposed to be like 14 i don't know i just think jenn think Jennifer Lawrence is a beautiful woman. She is, yes. Yeah. I was doing an impression of you. I want you to know that wasn't my thought. I was putting in that voice to go, I'm Luke Kijal, noted young pedophile. I want you to know that was the bit. I would appreciate, particularly when we're in an IKEA food court. Dude, what about a little Balenciaga?

If you didn't personify me as an outward pedophile. No, you make a fair point and a good point and a kind point. Look, I think for episode one of this podcast, which maybe it's a new show, maybe it's the old show, I don't know. I'll slap it on YouTube. But I think they've let us get away with this for a long time. And we should definitely move. Do you reckon we should move?

I was just getting comfortable. But we can. I reckon we should. We could maybe move to a new location and finish this interview off. Where do you want to go? Where do you think is the next funniest place? I mean, I didn't mind your idea of just doing it right outside the IKEA.

Because it's a nice day out there. Alright, if we can find a spot in the shade, let's do it out there. Otherwise, we'll go to a park. Alright, let's do it out there. I need some vitamin D. Otherwise, we'll go to a park. All right, let's do it. All right. All right. If you're looking for flexible workouts, Peloton's got you covered. Summer runs or playoff season meditations, whatever your vibe, Peloton has thousands of classes built to push you.

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