The James Donald Forbes McCann Catamaran Plan - pre-comeback w/ jez watts

Episode Date: January 21, 2026

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Welcome, welcome to this episode of the James Donald Forbes, McCamaran Plan podcast. This is not as sort of an in-betweeny episode because we've, um, we've, um, we've, I've got to special, anyway, big, wow, shocking, whiz-bang, excellence coming very soon. And this is just an audio one where I'm talking to my friend, Jez. So I'll be talking to Jez shortly. I was pretty hung over when I did the podcast. I'm not hung over at all now. Neither am I drunk.

I'm in that third state sobriety. Well, not long-term sobriety. I'm just taking it anyway. Look, we don't have to go any way. I haven't given up the drink. thought it would be good to have one day off. Do I have to talk about it? No, sir. That it'd be weak and gauche. Lots of stuff is going on. I'll give you an update on all of that. Anyway, I'm back in Australia. It's the first thing I'll say. I'd done a show the night before.

I've talked to jazz and I was pretty hung over in the morning, but it was the only time we had to speak, so we had them on the podcast. And all other questions to be answered and resolved in the near future. Big podcast changes coming soon. I'm sure the visual people, you know, people, you know, people, who experience this podcast largely on a visual level, the YouTube algorithm will take care of them. But as for the rest of us, audio people, keep your ears peeled. Big things coming soon. All right.

I love you and miss you. I want you to need you. Here's the rest of the pod with jazz. Here's why jazz is on the podcast. Hello. Number one, he asked. Knock and the door shall be open. Number two, jazz is as much as anyone responsible.

for me having a comedy career. That's very nice to say. Not necessarily for giving me a big opportunity in hindsight. No, but in believing in me when no one else was, like really no one else was, the extent to which I never got any, I don't know, I think I'd do it for like nine years. It's the point where we met. And I'd done it all. I'd been and done festivals, but I'd never like gone out the road for club dates.

That's true. Yeah, yeah. And you said, I'll get you club dates in. Perth. I'd never been to Perth. Well, I had seen you at an open mic in Adelaide. I think I'd been left over from the festival or whatever. Yeah. And we had not met, but you were the funniest person at the open mic. And it was not a big... Damning was the faintest of praise. It's not a big statement. But then, yeah, when I was opening for Brian Per Seine, they needed an open for Adelaide. And so I reached out to you having met you met you, being like, well, that's the funniest person I know

in Adelaide. And that went okay. Well, I don't know how the show went. That's how we met. But then you um and then you brought me to perth and you line me up with you stay you stay on my count and i abused that trust by getting very drunk with uh an ex con oh is that true i don't know the full circumstances of that no i say ex con only to be uh we went to an um was sean conway not an ex con no he looks like he could be but he's a lovely man he's really the looks come together on Sean he's been on the pod people can go back and see that

yeah everybody goes and makes good extra hair now right more hair less weight love that he's transformed his fat into hair no it's a good riff a riffing machine anyway you brought me over to Perth and it meant a lot to me and um

I was really I mean I get I always look back and I go I was ready to quit but it's like man I never quit but it's like a lot of I'll say this nothing was going and well. Yeah, I think a lot of comedy as a career or whatever is saying

I'm just about to quit a lot. They're all the time. I think you have to be saying that. Even if you're massively successful, I think you're probably full of insecurity. You should be ready to quit. You're a thumbnail on Netflix and you're worried you're going to discipline. You know? Disciplia. Disciplia. It's early.

It's early in the day. That's a black ballet coach. I was trying to say that's a pleia that's a pleia that's a pleia that's a plea excuse me

that's a big mirror on the ball that's a pleia I don't really know what a pleia is I just don't think that's a word they is no it's it's it's that's a vomiting in the toilet stay skin again in them shoes I really like that you go

see this is what you don't see in Melbourne comedy no you don't see the ethnic accents anymore. Have they purged the ethnic accents from comedy? Gosh, because I've been to

open mics in comedy and it sounds like there's a lot of ethnic accents. I mean, open mics are they're open mics anywhere. They got the Chinese, they got the South Sudanese, they got the Vietnamese.

Yeah, open mics are... But they've got his ethnics, they've stopped white people doing the accents. Oh, you know what? At the open mics, you still get the whites doing it. Nice.

Yeah, but no one's getting paid. No, no, you've got to do it. You've got to absolutely. do that for the love of the game. In Australia? Here's what I'd like to say to the current head of the ABC, our state-run television network. You ready? Can that praise have a job?

Mr. Ole Miss has ABC. You know what I'm saying? Like, the time for that is over. Here's why I think doing the Asian accent's fine, and I'll fight and die on this hill. Cheers. Before we get to promoting your work. Let me guess. Is this bad for you?

No, I think it's fine. No, no, I'm sorry. Can I guess your angle? No, well, you can guess my angle, but let me ask, professionally in Australia. Is you being here with me bad for you in the scene? I don't think I could be lower. Okay. I think it's fine.

Nice. My guess is that what you're going to say is that there's an ascendancy of Asian power. No, but there's an ascendancy of Asian-A-Para in the world. world. Yeah. Therefore, they, it's punching up. Yeah. Is that what you're going to say?

Absolutely. Bam, got it. Have you already had that thought? No, I just knew. I know you. You knew where I'm at. I also think it's relatively true. You're engaged or you got married?

They're still engaged. We've been engaged for eight or nine years to an Asian lady. We kept postponing because I wanted to pay my half of the wedding. That's nuts. That's crazy. And so we kept postponing it. And now we have decided to elope so that we just get it done. Good.

Good. Good. Good. Good. So that's going to be done soon. Get your tubes untied and go. Well, no, my tube will remain tied. Go on me.

We're both. Let's say we're not shocked, but we're like surprised and concerned that you're having a fourth child. Really? It's so good. It's too many. Too many. We've got zero. We've got rabbits and it's good for us.

The next generation's going to Lula me to DMX song. He's got 100,000. It's all those little mccats. Yeah, no. Look, you've all, you've got to find your meaning where you can. That's true. And I choose to find that in living in the truth, baby. And the truth is I'm dog tired.

I, I, you know, people go like, you've got to get your life together. You've got to get responsible. It's not a bad riff. The thing that's just come to me, not a bad riff. It's like, you got to get responsible. You know, like stop drinking, stop partying, so hard to settle down with the lights are going. But my experience is I never did any of that wild stuff. but since I got kids

you know you got a couple hours for it one night you're like I gotta get on it now I mean honestly I just hung out your kids do seem lovely there's a lot of energy I hung out with them for we don't say their names 15 minutes yeah

are you tired and I'm exhausted yeah my sweet wife is done we veer now we veer towards the private no of course no there's no names is no what's your podcast though is about you got a new podcast we'll plug that we'll plug all your stuff

yeah all right new podcast what's your damage that you've refused to be on. Yes. Because it's about personal trauma. I don't. And it's, you know,

it's all secret now. It's all pay for play. You know what I say about better help? I say worse than nothing. No, no, it's not pay for pay for it. I just don't believe in the therapeutic society.

Oh man, I love it. Therapy help me a lot. But yeah, it's about, it's about all the, you know, the sad,

depressing things. Got you all the way here to my car. We're sitting in a car. hiding from your family there's a man coming out of his house being like this is suspicious I'm going to drive on because if I doesn't like this

sorry oh huh sorry sorry man I just drive down the road to get away from my family oh so for you you separate thing sorry mate love of the Lord he was just on

all right jiz look at a move yeah you have to put your belt on pick up a microphone and tell the people Oh, you do have to put your belt. Sorry, it's an audio only medium.

Thank goodness we're both putting our belts on. Yes. Let me put my belt on as well. And now it's time to drive. Jez, tell people about your comedy special. Oh, yes. It's out as of a few weeks ago. White Rice Supreme is its name,

which is after what has become my legal name. jazz white rice supreme as of being married in Las Vegas when it's 24 with an Elvis impersonator while tripping an LSD but yeah marriage is binding

we ended up submitting the paperwork back in Australia so it was so we stayed married for maybe a year year and a half terrible marriage they're very Jewish female to the way

sorry that's the red skin podcast that I've been listening to. I found that I really like, even though I've never seen a film with Dasha in it that I've liked, I really like the Red Scare podcast. The only film I've seen Dasha in is The Materialists, which I did not care for, and that was not her fault. But anyway, do you ever listen to the Red Scare podcast?

I've never heard of it. Oh, it's two ladies. And I don't know who Dach is. She's a lady. She used to date Adam Friedland. I'm sure there's other things about her as well. She's an actress. She's now regarded as a virulent anti-Semite,

just because they had Nick Fuentes on the show, who is, his anti-Semitism, he is virulent. Virulent is an adjective that I feel is only used to describe someone's anti-Semitism. You never like... I think you can describe a disease. Yeah, but you would never say like... Oh, he's meant to be like passionate or intense

or like especially bad. He's a virulent football fan. It never happens. He's a virulent baker. virulent hopscotch enthusiast doesn't happen so you got the special out yes and you recorded that in Melbourne yeah I spent 15 grand on it

which I had a couple of people asked oh you think it was worth it did you get the value from it which I doubt you I doubt there is value other than making it I like making at the end of the day it's all we have to show for our work

we like doing it No, but I like to come out. It's the best of my first 12 years, you know, and it's nice to get it recorded, and I'm proud of the stuff. I think it's funny, I think it's good, it looks good. What else I would say about recording? Tin Witt, who is... Yeah, did my sound last night.

Yes, who you introduced me to, did an excellent job mixing it. It sounds good. Yeah, I like it. But I don't think it's worth 15 grand. I don't think that's the way to think about it. No. I think, and I, you know, what I know, but I think the way to think about it is, uh, but people have been nice about that.

It's part of the life. I think of how much money we lose doing comedy for so long anyway. It's just another, it's another cost. Yeah. Um, I was on my way to being a doctor of neuroscience when I started comedy. Now, you ended up, four degrees. I owe 50 grand of the government. Yeah, you, but you ended up, I want to emphasize with a masters of neuroscience.

That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Which is not a degree that I don't think a lot of people have. have. That's probably true. I know you're saying at the sign. It's not relevant.

Who? Either you do neuroscience or you don't. You were very like up and down about it at the time. Yeah. I mean, I loved it. But I love jokes more. What was it about neuroscience that tickled your... Well, I was trying to...

Brain, if you will. Yeah, I was trying to fix... Find a way to regenerate the central nervous system. So like fix spinal cord injury. Wow. Which would have been pretty cool if I'd done it. It would be sick. But it turns out that's very hard to do.

When did you run into a wall there? Probably the whole thing was pretty hard, I think. But yeah, like my doctoral thesis was trying to use RNA regulation to switch it on. So I was looking at zebra fishing to do it. It's reasonable avenue, but it was really challenging. Is anyone else pursuing that line of thought? There was, I mean, it's part of the angles that are pursued. but it's really tough to do

and maybe it was flawed So how You know we say it's tough to do But what does it actually look like To go Well we know that zebrafish can do this We've We've we've

We've wrought havoc With enough spines on a zebrafish To know that they can recover I had to do some really mean shit to zebra fish Is that true? Yeah I had to like God I'd leave

I had to like scoop out Their eyeballs when it was still attached And then crush their optic nerve And then put the eyeball back in Yeah and put them back in to swim around for like a couple of weeks. And then go back and check it again. Then, you know, murder the zebrafish.

Yeah. And then... See if its eye had gotten better. Yeah. See, okay, how much... Like, when we switched on this gene or turned off this gene, like, okay, how much of regrowth and I felt really mean. I'm really glad.

The next step, had it worked and had I stuck with the doctor, it would have been to do it to rats. And they're also very cute, and I really like the rats. So you put that gene in the rat? Well, they have the gene already. It's like a matter of, it's, because the zebrafish are vertebrates as well, right? So that's the whole thing. It's like, okay, it's these genes that, can we identify genes that are shared that are maybe switched off in humans?

Wow, we just got magic genes ready to turn on. And we could have found out about that. So, so, hold on, those zebrafish were just were killed in vain. Like, when you go at the end, you're like, can anyone use that research you did to take it to the next level? Yeah, I mean, I published the Masters, so, but it wasn't like a thing of like, hey, and this is, definitely going to work. It was like, oh, I did all this stuff and it ultimately didn't work. How long?

A lot of science is that, though. A lot of science is negative. Oh, it didn't work? No. So what was it that was making the zebrafish recover? Well, it would have been some different gene, maybe. Okay. Right.

The ones we were looking at. But you just save somebody some time in the future. That's good. Hopefully. Was how one else might have that thought. Yeah. Could be. But what if you did it wrong?

And that is the way forward. And you were sloppy with your work. Well, I was definitely sloppy with my work. Yeah, that's also true. Because I was doing open mics. I was doing open mics during the doctorate. I would be like writing jokes in the lab and then go to the open mic and I would be smoking weed every night. And I was definitely not a good doctoral student, I would say.

Just eyes blurring in and now. Yeah. Just all the zebrafish blurring into one. Yeah. There were a lot of very serious scientists around me who maybe didn't improve as much. you know I mean at least you had something to walk away from that's boring

I had a we were telling my the person who's going to be my mother-in-law once we finally get married we were telling her for a good couple of years after I left that doctorate updates on the doctorate oh yes it's going great

but you right now as a producer in comedy you've had good success yeah yeah I'm well I'm good at admin I think being autistic coming from a scientific background, I'm good at being organized. Do we believe that autism exists? Yeah, we do.

Well, I do. I'll say an eye. But yeah, of course it does. But, and it's genetic. Isn't it just a word that scientists have come up with to try and explain that which they do not understand? Listen, isn't that science? Yeah. We come up with words and definitions.

It doesn't make it real. It's not the same as having soul power. Reality. Well, all right. It's not the same as like love. it's not the same as figure if I can quote my fiance

who sent me this message an hour ago who said why has James had four children I said he has beliefs and she said has he heard of reality that's crazy but we can just fundamentally

disagree and still be friends reality I think but yeah I think I'm good at it I think reality is I think I think people hmm

It's becoming fragmented what people agree. It is, but as to what reality exists as in the landscape of the mind, I think all too often reality is merely for people the lowest common, what they believe to be the lowest common denominator, and anything on top of that is a fanciful motion. But actually, I think the world is much stranger and more interesting. Have you done many hallucinogens? I know you say you don't.

I've never done one hallucinators. Not one? No, no, no, I don't believe it. I think I'm already tapped into that. Nick's son, who is... Yeah, I don't need to be running around the back of a Melbourne comedy festival and then you hurling chairs at people. Well, yeah, Nick certainly did that.

By the way, Nick's son, one of the great... One of the great Australian... Lost Australian committees. But he's back now. No, get out. He's back to comedy. I didn't know that. He's... Only, let me just say, when I said that thing about him hurling chairs at people,

I thought he was gone. And that is a story that I heard. Well, he... Is that corroborated by the reality? I think I told you that story. Someone did that at a show that I booked him for many years ago. Ah, that would be how I... You can until it stayed with me.

He's back. He's back to comedy. He became a full-time shaman for five years. Right. he has done enough hallucinogens and ayahuasca to kill his demons. And so he's back now in a way

that he's not self-sabotaging anymore. Man, that's great. Which was very fundamental to who he is. And that only took 18 years. Yeah. That's 18 for me. Because he started, he ended.

I think the year that I started. Oh, wow. Yeah, okay. Am I right? No. I think probably there was an overlap, a couple years. I started two. No, you would be right.

There would be an overlap. He was like, he was ending. Yeah, I started 2008. He was on his way out. I think 2013 is when I met him. Okay. He was still doing it. I remember he was like, he was a fringe, confusing.

Because he started out, he was actually, he was going to be the annoying. One raw comedy. Yes, he was going to be the anointed next big thing in the industry. He was the John the Baptist of Ronnie Chang and Aaron Chan. You know, this like Oka, very passes for Ozzie. Ronnie Chang ended up not being that. No. Ronnie Chang, the patina of Australian.

That's gone. God, it's full. And I think to his benefit. Full Li Kuan Yew. He's come the full L-K-Y, Ronnie Chang. I always want to challenge him on that because he was like, America's so stupid. So, why are you so stupid? And it's like,

I don't know, Ron. Let's have a look at some of Leequan-U's policies. I mean, Singapore is so great. Singapore's great. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Although he's Malaysian. Is he? Yeah, he's not Singapore.

I thought he was Singapore-Az. He's Malaysian. That's even worse. Lequan-Hugh was a great man. I mean, honestly, I think Singapore's way better. I think Leukon-U is... Malaysian. I thought it was Singapore-E's.

Leis-Cuan-U is excellent. He wasn't... No, Lequine-U... Complicated legacy. He, yeah, sure. but he built it from a fishing village into a powerhouse. I think our friend air conditioning might have helped them along the way. I think having a massive base of Chinese people might have helped them along the way.

I think that helps everybody. I think air-conditioned Chinese people, nothing can hold them back. That was what Mao should have had for the Great Leap Forward. He was all about, let's smelt some iron in her backyard. It's incorrect, Mao. Air conditioning. Make Chinese people comfortable. That's the hat.

That's my goal. Make Chinese people comfortable again. I'm marrying a Chinese person. I'm trying to make it comfortable. My brother married a Chinese person. I am excited to have Chinese in the gene pool. If we can please get an athlete up in here. No, I don't believe in that sort of thing.

I think we all are a complete blank slate. No, you don't think hybrid vigor is to anyone's benefit? Oh, hybrid vigor? Is that their name for it? Well, it's more dog breeding, I think. Oh, my goodness. That's gracious. I don't like this.

A mixed race to anyone. That seems as bad as the pure blood stuff. What we got to do again some harbored villa. A mixed race, anyone is better. That's what I say. As a one-quarter Indian person, that's what I say. I am.

Yeah, there's something there. In the same way that I see Charlie X, CX. You know, she's a slightly Indian. Is that true? It is. Yeah, cool. I'm saying cool. Is that not what you're saying?

No, I'm going to say. Spicy type. Cool. I love. I love the Indian. people. I didn't know you were one-quarter

Indian. My mother and her whole family emigrated from India. I won't go to the detail

but my children are 1-8th Samoan. Oh, cool. Yeah. Yeah. Got that hybrid Vigga.

Vigor. Vigar. Vigar with a hard eye. I don't say the art. Vigar. It's with the we get here's a fun fact I've learned about America

because I have to go so we're getting close to the half hour have you plugged everything yeah all right listen to what's your damage podcast first episode with Her Huang second with Aiden Jones

late from Adelaideon Taco Jones now in the UK Have you noticed that the move is on of the Aussies I mean I'm really cutting against the grain here because the move You've come back

Oh you've been You're gonna be in America Who knows Have you got shows on sale Maybe I'll go to Japan. All right? Maybe I'll go. Maybe I'll relocate to Luxembourg.

Maybe I'll relocate. I mean, which of these small European countries is going to let me be on Eurovision? My life's ambition. Because Australia is not going to let me do it. Is Mr. Very Good rapper coming back? No, this would be, yeah. I loved it. I was a big fan of Mr. Very Good Rap.

That's a strong personal matter. I think you probably find him on SoundCloud. Personal matter. What else have we got to plug? So you're in Melbourne. Yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, I've got to show.

I'm touring a bunch of places. You're going to the Perth. Australia, New Zealand. Festival? What are you doing in New Zealand? South East Asia, UK. What? Are you really?

Yeah. That's all this year. All this year. We've got people all over the place. Perth Fringe. I'll be the whole festival. And then I'm going to Auckland and Wellington in February. And then Melbourne Comedy Festival.

And I'm also doing Deniedon Fringe. No. I've always wanted my, my sweet wife. I don't want to be too personal. I know some people who've been in Dennyden. If you know anyone I can stay with it, it would be nice. Daniden listeners, nah, I don't know. Jez is good.

We actually might. That's crazy. That's crazy. I always wanted to do Daniden French, but it clashed with a different festival. Maybe Adelaide fringe or something. Yeah, I think Adelaide. I'm doing New Zealand instead of Adelaide.

Wow. Yeah. I do like, it's nice. You can see why that's not been an option for me. No, of course. It's nice to visit Adelaide. But the festival is a very easy place. to lose money.

Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I think I can... And then, yeah, I'll be in Singapore, I think Malaysia, Thailand. There's a Singapore fringe? What's going on? No, I'll just be doing an independent show. Okay, so a serious plan that I had, I wanted to talk to Ronnie about Singapore.

Oh, I can tell you about Singapore. But now you're to... Have you done gigs in Singapore before? I was there like a couple months ago. This is huge because I did this, we did this travel dock around like region. We went to Wogga Wagga, basically. It was like to and from and after. I've only been to Waka Moga Moga when I was on leave from the army.

Man, we have not scratched the surface. That's why Joe... No, no, no. Well, I've got to do this effing meeting. Hold on. But we did that, and then we went to the UK, and I was... I think the next one is Singapore. Yeah, cool.

I was thinking of calling it, the Lion of Asia. It's nice. The scene there is growing up. Yeah, there's a nice local scene. It's a direct flight from Adelaide. Here was my thinking. Because these things, the travel thing, and I like write comedy while I'm there. But I could like go for like four days, fly me and my camera operator.

And I just, I was like, I do a run of gigs and walk around Singapore. Come back, you know, it's probably $2,000. Flyers both over there, direct flight, get a nice, you know, whatever, okay hotel. Everything's got air conditioning. You need it there. I'm told. But we, you know, and then we could really get something out of that. I think so.

I didn't know you were going to Singapore. The audiences are fun. I really enjoyed it. This is big. Yes. And so then I'll do, um, Edinburgh Fringe, which is the first time going back since 2019.

The Singapore of the North things. The Singapore of the North. That's right. Singer Rich is what I hear. Yeah. I'm going to do some other UK things, I think. That's a lot. Yeah.

First half of the year. It's all first. It's half the year? That's up to August. yeah. Jaze. I'm not doing nothing. Yeah, but I've got no kids.

Yeah, yeah. That's true. I got no dependence. I'm essentially a dependent. I wish that was not true. That's an illusion. That's an illusion. Independence is an illusion.

We're all about another person. Your butt's not the word I'm looking for. I've got snod in my nose. I think you... So, hung out. I think you've rallied quite well. I got on the red Cooper's. Ooh, Cooper's red.

Red means stop. Beer in America is not as alcoholic as it is in Australia. Yeah. And I'm going like, at some point I'm going like, I've only had three. I'll be alright. But it's like... I miss drinking so much. There's the equivalent of two beers in it.

And so like within like two hours, six beers. Oh, I love booze. Yeah, booze. Sorry, I forgot you quit drinking. No, I know. I have five drinks a year. You get to ration it out? Yeah.

Do you ever go no drinks all year and then a big New Year's Eve? I did have a couple of drinks at New Year's Eve. But yeah, I told my therapist that was my plan. He says, it's a bad plan. I said, well, it's your problem to fix. So. These therapists, man. I got families therapists.

I like them. They're good people. Yeah. I don't need none of these. I think everyone benefits from the right therapist. We got a priest. I got friends. There's a priest of the show last night.

That's, yes. Your priest, is that correct? He's a buddy of mine. Oh, okay. He's not officially your priest. Well, he's not. He doesn't head up my parish, but I think it definitely gives you guidance. Spiritual direction has been received from Father Oleg and will be in the future.

So he's responsible for these four children. No, no, no, no, no. God. No, no, you know what? I am responsible for these children, but they come from God. this is what we believe that we are not, you know, we are only in the physical sense the parents of these children. Closer to a custodian, and the children belong to God.

We just look after them. They have their own things going on. You don't own your children. You're a very strange man. You don't own your own children. But you must have the right to guard them from the state and all its... Punicious machinations. Ferritably pernicious.

I don't know if I would have... chosen Panishis. Panishis is a little too close. I just love everybody. I'm so full of love. Jez Watts. Where can the people find you? Jezwats.com J-E-Z-W-A-T-T-S has links to everything.

And I will say, the Patreon is a hub of activity. James Donald Ford's McGahn, get him around, playing Patreon. The YouTube, we got that Island Strangers, that came out. More shows will be added at some point in the future. look cut me a little slack

I move country and I'm hung over alright I'm sorry where's the podcast going it's here and it'll be back and I've I'm working with people to make it better it's going to be so people can't people won't believe how good the podcast

it's going to be go over to the Patreon get yourself a foretaste everyone yeah everyone I've spoken to loves it as it is so it's very exciting it's going to be in that's not enough of them if we're really going to get

I think there's lots aren't there no are you wildly successful now wildly. It's again... I mean, to my metrics. Again, when one is a success, it's wildly. When one is anti-Semite, it's virulent. You're a virulent success, James McKeown.

I'm a virulent success and wildly anti-Semite. You know what I'm saying? No, I'm a wild failure. To me, failure has always seemed more wild, ready to lash out. That was Nick Sun's problem. Success. Success, you play a straight bat.

It's a defensive game. I'd say we'd had a good couple of weeks. You know, you'd just try and put the good weeks together one after another. And one day it'll all fall apart, but I love you, I miss you, I want you, I need you, I cannot believe I didn't get less hung over for the whole show. We spoke for 35 minutes and I didn't get less hung over at all. No, I think you got more hung as we went. Yeah, I started doing that.

I'm feeling jake, I'm starting to loosely. feel the experience joy again. It took me about the... Not that you were great. It took 30 minutes of jazz. 30 minutes of jazz. And the podcast, you've got so much on. You've promoted it.

And I'm so sorry we had to kick you off that second show last night. It was to put a crazy lady on instead? I think I don't know what else to do. Are you assured? It's because I'd worked that out with, oh my goodness. I thought that was honestly very fun to work. Yeah, I don't think it's making the video in the end. No, I had a feeling in the moment while you were saying,

oh, and we're going to intercut this and intercut that. I was like, I don't think any of that's happening. And it made me really happy I was there for the live show. I think stand-up is such a live... Yeah, the live shows are wild and crazy. Clips are like everything now, but I just, I love live stand-up. No, there's such a difference between the... There's moments that don't make the clips.

There's a lot of moments that don't make the clips. And so they're no less true for only working in the room. Absolutely. I think they're actually more true to the art form, if that makes sense, right? It's the simulacrum that we have to keep going. But there is like, I just wonder how my plan is to do like a new like 20-minute special every month. I think it's, I think if anyone can do it, you can do it. I know.

But people will say, what's he? Like, I know. It might work. There's a guy doing one every one. week. Josh Wolfel? No, I don't know what's name. It's the guy from the time.

Josh Johnson? Is that it? Daily show guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway. No, I think. He's doing a weekly special. Yeah, I think you've been.

W-E-A-K. I think you've been one of the more prolific Australian comedians. And the fact you were pushing out, the amount you were pushing out from Adelaide. But I'm falling apart. Well, yeah, you have. too many children. They're all lovely. I've got to do a meeting. They're all great. They're all great. I've got to do a business meeting. We love

Jess Watts. Jazz. I'm going to do the meeting now. You do what you've got to do. Thank you, James. You're going to say you say goodbye to people and you wave on your way out of my house. I love you, Jess. Thank you, James. I love you too. Katermaran Ho, everybody.