The James Donald Forbes McCann Catamaran Plan - S2 Ep12: hlywoo

Episode Date: May 7, 2026

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Oh, baby, I can't even look at you. I can't even look at you right now, baby. I'm sorry. I'm too tired to look at you. I've been on the road. I'm in the United States of America. I'm in Los Angeles. I'll be more specific.

I'm in Hollywood, baby. I walked down Sunset Boulevard last night. It was late at night, and I was walking down the Sunset Boulevard. And I think there were men. cruising. I think that several men tried to cruise me. I don't know if that's a cruise spot, but a couple times people circled around to have a look. They weren't, they didn't know a comedy. But I had a couple of fellas drive by, window down, looking at me. I don't know if my long hair and my bulky frame, I look like a sort of person Eddie Murphy might have given a ride

home to many, many years ago. I'm done. Trouble looking at you. I can barely look at anybody. let alone set up a camera in a room, talking to it. I did the Hollywood Bowl last night. It was a real joy. This is a bit scattershot. This is the first pod back. I've been so tight.

Listen, baby. I've been so tight. Here's, I've thought about just... I mean, maybe that's... Maybe I should start before. Maybe the audience I shouldn't call you baby. Other people have a collective noun for their audience, and baby... Baby, baby, say, hey, baby!

It feels right, feels good, but I'm not going to do that. Baby is reserved for my wife. I won't call you Oh, I've hit my foot on a couch Anyway I go out and I perform And I did, well, it started out at the mother ship And it was wonderful being back at the ship

With all those wonderful people The comedians and audience members Are liking the stuff And I had a, I didn't know if I had the hour I was doing an hour I was doing a weekend, I was doing an hour Twice a night And I didn't know if I had the hour

And the hour came together But the mental work of like you know not knowing it's going to work and really on your feet and listening to the crowd and eventually you get to settle into the act but i was figuring out on the fly what i was going to be saying up there and it was so exhausting that by the end of some of the shows i couldn't i found myself telling my jokes looking at the floor and i realized i'd reached a point of mental exhaustion that i don't you know trauma would be too much of a word but i couldn't look people in the eye and i thought this is where celebrities get

to. This is where celebrities get to where they have to start, you know, the celebrities, they wear the sunglasses indoors because it's just, they've been looked at so much and looking at people so much. And I started to think about divish behavior and behaviors that, oh, it's very divish, but maybe those are learned behaviors that help people survive in a sick and broken world. Oh, yes, there's no justification I won't make for my blossoming divish nature. It's great to be here. here with you. I just could not be bothered. I couldn't, I cannot be bothered. I think it's better if Sam Clark does a visual element anyway. You know, Sam Clark's better at doing the visual element. Even if I'm not in it, it'll be so much nicer than just me sitting up a camera in the room.

So we may as well. And what a room it is. I'll tell you everything that happened to me. Since I flew out here to the United States of America. I think I did a Patreon with some of it. Well, we'll skip some of it. I'll tell you what happened. I flew out of Austin and I went to Albuquerque. Loved Albuquerque. Didn't go to the downtown of Albuquerque because everybody told me, hey, it's a war zone. And they were serious about it in a way that they're, you know, there's a little tongue in cheek when people talk about even Los Angeles or Austin.

People go, wow. But in Albuquerque, they said, don't go. It's a war zone. So I said, okay. Woki dokey then. Albuquerque was great. CJ and Fuzzy. They were my openers at that time.

We drove on past Hotel Arancho. Long-time listeners of the podcast will know my long-time appreciation for Hotel El Rancho. The convenience. What is it? Oh, man, I'm going to forget it. Something of today. Something of tomorrow.

Convenience of tomorrow? The charm. I think the word charm gets used. Oh, I wish I had that programmed in me so that I could never forget it. And yet here I am. Having forgot it, having to look it up, the convenience of, the charm of yesterday and the convenience of tomorrow, that's what I think it is, unable though I am to get any Wi-Fi. That's odd.

Then I'll go back through the telephone. If I can't go back through the Instagram. The charm of yesterday? Is it the charm of yesterday? I think it was the charm of yesterday. I think I have a big reaction. The charm of yesterday. convenience of tomorrow.

We got it right. There is no convenience like the convenience of tomorrow. There is no charm like yesterday's charm. And we drove on and we got to Phoenix and the hour came together in Phoenix. Sorry to everybody who saw it before then. It's together now. I got the order. It was really lovely.

It was really lovely. The people of Phoenix, wonderful people. wonderful people in Phoenix as my career did rise from the ashes in Phoenix and the hour did come together. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Oh, ladies and gentlemen. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I'd never be able to talk to this way if you could see me right now. It's only being invisible. I've put on sunglasses.

I'm walking around barefoot in a living room. In a house where I'm completely alone. Uberitz boxes. Ah, ha. Ha! I played the Hollywood Bowl last night for the great, opening for the great Shane Gillis. Oh, everybody.

It was wonderful. Shane was fantastic. Ron White, fantastic. Sam J. Fantastic. Dan Sona Fantastic. Jim. Jeffries. Fantastic.

What a night of stars. I never really, I didn't know. about the Hollywood Bowl. And also to my eyes, I mean, they've already got the Greek theater. I don't understand why they have, I guess you can when you're a city of this many people. You can have two, you know, forum style Greek theaters built into the rocks amphitheater. Anyway, it was really lovely. It was really, it was classy, it was a dignified, at a great time.

And, oh man. yeah I had to go on first and I'm glad I did it was look it was great it was really great but I was oh we've never had we've never had we've never had liquid in the guts like that before we've had some pretty liquid guts in our time but that was something special and beyond

we won't know about it and every day you know I wanted to do the podcast thank you to Darcy for stepping in on that last one I don't remember if I organised that or said that that was okay, but I was happy to see it. I think I gave a thumbs up to that. I don't think the show was being stolen away from me. Gee, Darcy's for a gizny.

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I had to. I had to. I just had to. And I couldn't keep going. I had to. it's not my gift man it's not my commercial reading is not my gift i'm playing chess on my phone i was playing chess and i listened back to the podcast and i think that i thought that's not as bad as i thought it was but those commercials i am i'm uneasy and if there's a job for darcy going forward if darcy doesn't have a moral problem if darcy doesn't have a moral problem doing commercials

and that doesn't make him better or worse than me i'm just saying if he if he doesn't I would be open to paying Darcy a small amount of money to read the commercials. Darcy's a volunteer at the moment. Yes, we've got to figure something out for that. It's just happened so quickly that the world fell in love with Darcy and we haven't updated the financial situation yet. Just keeping you abreast of that.

Commercials to keep food on Darcy's table. Darcy's waiting to get married, but he won't do it until he can, you know, to he can look his father-in-law of the future in the eye and say, I'm going to be able to look after your little girl. Me, Darcy. Oh, baby, baby, baby. Baby, baby. I don't know.

Do you know? Do any of us? In the privacy of our love, there is nothing outside of our love. I've been working on music again. I don't think any of it is very good. That's what happens when I'm on the road. When I'm alone, I just sit on the garage band and I make bad music and then I put big loud drums behind it to cover up how bad it is.

Drums can go quite a long way into disguising how bad the thing you've done is. drums are the concealer understand that's some real deep ish I'm dropping on you fam I've been working on my poems I don't know if they yes I just finished a chess game

and I checkmated that my do you want to hear some poems I'll give you some poems I'll give you some poems I'll give you some poems I had a wonderful Uber driver last night he used to be a butler he's Ethiopian we spoke about Ethiopia a great deal and I must say I was very jazzed Ethiopia in 1960-70s jazzed to have him compliment me on my Ethiopian knowledge, much of which was about jazz.

Somewhere. All right, here's some, what's this one? Oh no, that's dreadful. It's a bit of a mostly making love with a horse. Everybody always used to crawl around the ventilation. I liked the way that one sounded. You know what I mean? Everybody always used to crawl around the ventilation.

You know what I'm saying? I did, when I grew up, I thought that's the end of the poem. Everybody always used to crawl around the ventilation. Man, is that the only poem I've written? Isn't it odd that bees live in a monarchy? Well, that was a bit that never really took off. Yeah, there's a lot of bits that didn't really take off. Helmets should be banned.

The ends never justify the means. Housing is not a human right, but sheltering your neighbour is an obligation. Human rights is just a fancy way of saying, I have a strong opinion. Women have become more beautiful and less sexy. Chinese is not one of the top five world cuisines. By the way, it's Vietnamese, Italian, French, text mix, and Indian. Old people are too closed-minded. Paul McCartney has still got it.

Everybody wants to own real estate. Not nearly as valuable as how you really feel estate. Have I already read these on the box? A man needs about seven other men to be a man. House guests are nice, but it's good, because it's good to have an audience. I don't know if I've read, I don't think I've read these. You can't make a star, you can only let it shine. The New York Times doesn't often use good photos.

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and compose choral music I'm gonna fuck around man baby that's what I'm That's who I am That is who I am now Be Dangerous Hello I'm big dangerous And I record coral I record and compose.

A record and compose. A record and compose. Carole music. Big Dangerous. Yeah, hello. My name's Big Dan. Yeah, I'm leading choral musician Big Dangerous. Keep it tuned to K-Rock.

107.76. I'm doing all new cans of choral music. Other people can only dream of my choral music. Compositioned all abilities in a new direction. Yeah, so I'm leaving that. that behind. Hey, Ruby. Hi. Can you say, be louder so I can check it works?

Checking, checking. Go really big one. Big one. Oh, no, that works. You're just quite a person. Yeah, Ruby's come over and we've, you know, we'll run down another 15, just 15. If we run down 15. Okay.

Appreciate it. Thanks for coming over. You're welcome. What were you talking about before I got here? I couldn't even tell you. Yeah, you could. I was playing my new choral music. What's choral music?

I think just voices. like a chorus. Oh. Yeah. I thought you meant like from the sea. What? It's all bleached now that the climate change has come along. I don't know.

Like, because coral, maybe because it has the same root, but it's parts of a whole. Maybe call it choral music. Oh, I'd never thought of it. Is it a community? Because coral is like a bunch of living, is that right or is it a porous, hard, dead thing? Coral.

Coral. What did you say? My favorite. Hor. Horror. Are you saying horror? Horror. Horror.

The way that Australians say horror is they say horror for longer. They say horror. They say horror. H-O-R-A-H-H-H-H-H-H-H. Horror. What did you say today? Oh, shower. Shour.

Shire. Shire. You don't have a shower. Talk really silly. I got to see Jim Jeffries last night. I got to, I was on the show, Jim Jeffries is on it. I mean, I got to have a nice conversation. Can I tell you something?

Yeah, I wish you would. I don't, I don't really, I don't really. Like, I know that I know that I. I know that I should know. Ah, you're a bit younger. Yeah. And I know the name and I know that if I, what?

All right, cut it out then. I'm not cutting it. I saw the face you make. Well, it's just it can't be nice for anyone to have. I remember one time I didn't know who Nate Baguette was until recently. I had found out who he was. By the time I met him, I knew who he was. I said, I recently found out about you.

Oh, but it was too recent. It was too recent and he was annoyed. So I can't imagine what that will do for you with Jim Jeffries into not. yet putting a face to a name. If he's made it through the choral music, I'll be shocked. Is he British or is his name just really stupid? He's an Aussie. Stupid, gosh, you are just on all.

You're in a bad mood today. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I just mean that his first name is indistinguishable from his last name. Jim Jim Jim Jim. Jim, Jim, Jimson, Jim. You've just gotten off a plane and that's difficult and you traveled all the way across to him. When you get off a plane, do you feel dizzy and anxious in a plane? really specific way that doesn't quite wear off till the next day. No, I find going into the airport to be very unpleasant.

But once I've made it through security, I have an incredible wave of relief. I think I just get altitude sick or something. Oh, that might be. Something haunts me after the plane for a while, like physical. Because there's ghosts up in the air. There's ghosts on that plane. I was telling you about my pro noia, my Delta prognia. Optimism.

Not optimism. Optimism. Not optimism. I was doing that before there was this podcast earlier on. I did the ad read and I couldn't say the word percent. And it was then I knew I was in deep shit. When did you arrive in L.A.? I've been here for about three days.

I met Kanye. I saw Kanye across the room. Did you meet him? I did not have the heart to go up to him and go, oh. Hello? My friend Dan tried to take your now wife on a date once. Yeah. And people do it to you and then you think you won't do it, but that's what you do.

Oh, no. I saw Quentin Tarantino once. And I said, thank you for everything. He went, hey, man, yeah, all right. And just kept moving. When I met Sarah Silverman, I said, I loved Jesus's magic. It inspired me to become a comedian. And she said, that's my special that didn't really age that well. And I said, it inspired me to become a comedian. I have to go. And then he went to sat in the car and I cried and I called my mom. Yeah. You've got to have people you can call. I would not call my mom.

I love mom. Yeah, you don't have that. I don't. I'm sorry. No, we just don't have a relationship where I would go to her with my crime. Yeah, a motherly relationship. No, no, no, no. I stand by, I'm sorry.

I have, I think a man should cry to his wife. a man should go to his wife I see I understand that I have a man I would I would sometimes it's probably kept me safe

you know because I would think about like if I got into a car accident and I was lying in the hospital and I would my fear would be that if I was crippled you know my mum would come in and rather than going oh my poor boy

he's sweet boy she'd go you were driving fast at night I told you to get those tires checked. You didn't. And it would be the coupling of the crippling and the disappointment that I believe has actually kept me safe and healthy throughout my life.

Her technique paid dividends. I don't think with my personality type, if I was a marijuana person, I would have gotten a damn thing done. I've never smoked a joint because my mother kind of lied and said I was extremely disposed to schizophrenia because of brain trauma and history in the family. Now, as it turns out,

well, I was dropped on my head as a child. It doesn't seem as though there was necessarily brain trauma. But I fractured my skull, and baby skulls apparently just fracture it real easy. So I've got a huge scar on the side of my head. That one is closer to being possible. That one is closer to being possible. And really explaining some shit. There wasn't necessarily brain trauma.

Could a man with brain trauma. say not necessarily brain trauma and and the other one was uh it's questionable there was a member of the family who was put into a sanatorium sanitarium sanitaria it's it's unclear if that was just a little postnatal depression or fully fledged crazy town was it a woman yeah yeah no way to ever know sanatorium sanatorium sanatorium one of them's a breadpin auditorium auditorium the the delulu shop we say delulu over here is that in Australia yeah we talked about this you you thought it was uniquely Australian but it's from black teenagers just like

everything fuck what about calling each other the N-word in a smiling and friendly fashion we make that up to damn what about throwing dice on the corner with my shorty drinking a 40 I'm gonna tell you right now it's all black teenagers damn

boomerangs no we don't do that We don't actually do that. We, um, far out. No, it's so much nicer doing the podcast with a person. I was very, man, there was some delulu type activities on the, I've started saying delusional instead of psychotic because a delusion is a form of psychosis. Is it? Yeah.

Which form? I think to be psychotic is just to have lost touch with reality. Okay. In an observable capacity. Okay. And then the delusion. is like the new reality that you've created? I think a delusion is a, yes, it's a strand.

It's a kind of psychosis. It's, or it's one of the realities that you've created, that it is different. Schizophrenia. It's when there's a proper definition, I'm going to get it wrong, but it's something like, even when presented with good evidence,

you won't take it on board. That's a delusion. Oh. Yeah. Well, then you could call lots of people delusional, I guess. Oh, yeah, there's a very low bar. Yeah. And I guess one is, I mean, it's really in the eye of behold.

But what's the difference between obstinence and dilution? I think one's got a lot more points on Scrabble. I think, I don't, I think, maybe it's how one is viewed in oneself to be obstinate, you know, not to take no for an ounce, to be stubborn. I mean, some of it can only be proven in hindsight. If I hadn't made it to America and started doing comedy in a serious way, you know, three years ago I'd run around telling people, I'm going to be, I'm going to be on the Hollywood Bowl.

Yeah. People would have said, he's delusional. And it was true, but it still would have been delusional for me to have believed that. Because you would have been at that point presented with a lot of evidence that that probably wouldn't be the case. But you were never presented with evidence that it definitely wouldn't be. So I don't think you would have been delusional. I think you would have been proenoid.

I fear, pro-noid, a term I love. I, I seem to remember being told I wouldn't make it by like my peers at various times. They just have a conversation in someone like, and I, but I, I don't know any time that it actually happened. Or if I have through just watching lots of movies and reading lots of books, like no one ever sat me down and went, kid, you're never going to make it in this town. It never happened. But I have the incredible sense. That's the mom. I have a, that's my deluxe.

is that I think that happened. That you think that people were out to get you and didn't believe in you? No, people were out to get me. But the delusion is that they told me about. People were 100% out to get me. Yeah. And also just had no, oh my goodness, the lady who run the comedy festival that never got around me. I never met her.

She may never have even known about my comedy. I might have been so insignificant as to not register. She finally resigned. She's been there for years and years and years. No, she didn't get fired because of what I said about her. She decided to walk away. Because you said she was a whore who didn't believe in you. That's not true.

To Joe Rogan. That's, I never said. And then he pressed a button and she was fired out of a cannon. It's the secret power that Trump has given him. When he was in the office. He can fire women out of cannons. That's what you're fired has meant this whole time. That's a few trauma joke.

You're going to get up and do, yeah, this is not bad. You're going to, you're going to do the, you're going to do my show? Yeah. And you're going to, we're going to go and see Louie tonight. That's very exciting. Yeah, that's really exciting. Adam's going to take us. Sweet Adam.

We're actually going to get an Uber, but he's going to come here and park the car. Oh, great. Because he didn't want to park there. I get it. And some very exciting people. Some very exciting people get to come over there. Finally, you, me, Adam, and an Australian band all together in L.A.

Well, have you ever, do you know, I think Foea are coming. That's very exciting for me. Yeah, that's exciting. Friends of the show. You'll have to play some of that Uber. Alex Cameron, who has some of my favorite ever song lyrics by anybody ever. Yeah. Karen J. Callan and Sally's in Chicago, but he's coming back in a few days.

But these are the cool, these are the coolest musicians ever to me, who are alive. Tell me a lyric. Um, I feel like Marlon Brando circa 1999. Do you know that one? He goes, um, come on little darling, you don't know, I ain't fine. You tell that little faggot, call me faggot one more time. Anyway, that's a good one of his. He's got great ones.

I like that last one because it could be pro or anti. Eating your ass like an oyster. That's one of his. Really? Then he sold little oyster badges. The song that you showed me, Conturi Hungaku. The lyrics in that song that goes so hard. Do they?

Have you heard the lyrics yet? Not really. So good. Getting too late. I just... What's it about? What's Devandra saying? What's heterosexual Devandra saying?

He's doing like a, I don't know. I looked up. thing because he's doing like an homage to a guy. Gokuri-ungaku means country music. Yes, but not really. But not really. It's a Japanese, it's like Google translated, but that's not the term, they say cantary music.

Contrary music, but he said, now there's a hair on that. Is that one of my beard hairs on the microphone? It's killing me. It's killing me. I'm sorry. There you go. Might have been one of your hairs. Oh, it's really in there.

Yeah. Ask no questions. I shall tell no lies. Everybody wants to hear my choral music. The future is getting made. Future is getting made. Right here in this room. Does you have a thing about Wi-Fi flowing in that song?

Yeah, yeah. That's my favorite. That's what I was trying to get to is that there's so much, he's like, the Wi-Fi flows like wine. He's like talking about how there's a much Wi-Fi there is in his house. And then he's talking about how, like, so many people have died recently that it's really easy to just order stuff to my house, which like has all these interesting implications. That's all the love. There's some of us. No. That's all the love we know.

I listen to songs and I get none. It takes me about 30 listens to understand what the words are. That's crazy to me because I thought that that's something that you understand because for me, that's what I understand like second. And I don't get any of the, I know that you can like hear the little individual flute track like you have like schizophrenia and you can like. ears. We call them ears. Vague cello. Yeah, I don't have that. That is maybe one of my, it's one of my least pleasant driving in the car attributes, as well as the speeding, honking, and the threatening to kill strangers.

And the changing songs all the time is they're going, listen to the flute. You hear the flute? Go back. Listen to it again. You can hear the flute. And I can't, and I don't know what you're talking about. Give me one moment. Give me one moment. Excuse me. I've taken the call now. Adam will be here at seven, by the way. So we can. actually have a nice walk before then. Great.

And we can order some dinner. Yes. Wouldn't that be nice? What would you like to eat? I'm eating like a pig. You've been eating like a pig? Is that what you said? I'm back on gluten.

But then I'm back off gluten again. It made my, going back on gluten wasn't so bad, but it did make me feel like my hands had swollen up. Do you know what I'm talking about? Well, I feel like maybe your whole body is swollen up, but you could just feel it in your hands. No, no, no. I'm sorry.

Not that I've noticed that, but if your hands are swollen, probably the rest of you is too. Okay, all right. Not that I'm a doctor or anything. I'll go for my walk. If I'm all swollen, I'm going to notice it in my hands first. Sure. Are you saying inflammation? Yeah.

There was an album by a band that I never heard of before or since, but I listened to that album because I saw them on Letterman, and the album was called Mama, I'm Swollen. and they had a great song called From Our Hips, I think it was And they did a great show on Letterman And Letterman loved that the album was called Mama I'm Swollen Nothing happened after that

But it's like an incredible Like a great Letterman performance And the band plays a lot I love it when like a rock band Has the horn section do something Because there's a whole fucking band there on Letterman You know Have you ever read transcripts of Letterman

Without watching the actual video? No, what must that be like? Insane gibberish just non-sequent what is it do you have an example that's spider-man yeah he'll be like having a normal conversation with someone and then just whoa mama that's what i call taking it easy and then she's gone like where'd she go you know i he the man by the end you know like michael jackson would he would say t he and Shemona.

Was there a T? Does he? Whatever he would do. I was trying to avoid, I was trying to describe it without doing it. But then I did it by accident. It was too powerful. Yeah.

But by the end, you hear some of the songs at the end, and it's like, oh, it's just the tricks. There's a lot of the tricks in here. That was watching Letterman by the tricks. You know, early on, he's not going,

he and Shemona and, you know, no, you can't be doing that out of the gate. But towards the end, Letterman, it was a lot of the bass guitar going up and down. A lot of him going, I'll take all of that, your guard. How about that? Or repetitions were the favorite.

He wore a hat. A hat. Paul, did you ever wear a hat? Yeah, I did, Dave. I did wear a hat. Do you think that Michael Jackson, if he was, everybody was saying you're a pedophile

when he was alive, if it would have stuck, but because he's dead, it was too much for people. What are he saying? For him to be dead. You're so young. You're so young. I remember when he died.

I was sitting in front of the television. When he was alive, people were calling him a pedophile. It was like... Oh, I guess they wouldn't have told you that. 15 to 20 straight year. Every cover of every magazine was Wacko Jacko, sleeps in the bed with kids. Ruby, he was on trial.

He faced trial. He was on trial. He was on trial and weird shit came out about his house. Like there were rooms that you could only lock from one side. But the black community stayed with him. Steve Harvest. stayed with him. Eddie Griffin stayed with him, but he was also doing weird shit at the trial. And you can watch Eddie Griffin talking about it going, I went to the trial with Michael.

I said, Michael, why are you wearing pajamas at your Texabuse trial? Michael. Michael got up on the roof of a car and started dancing for the crowd on his way into court. Michael, you can't be in the bed with these white kids. No, it's great. Well, I am young. The defenses that people will run on Michael are unbelievable. No, they're literally, I like him. Don't talk about him.

I love him. They're like, yeah, I get what you're saying, that he slept with kids and that they all say that they molested him and all that. And he has a house with secret sex dungeons. But I like the way he dance. Chappelle was doing a bit about it. They drew his penis. These kids drew it. while he was asleep

Michael was asleep how could he stop them drawing his penis I was like what are we walking about there's no way for a strange child to draw my penis the opportunity would never arise

I think Michael was asexual I think of calling it an opportunity was an interesting slip no it wasn't a slip I said it on purpose big opportunity all the kids looking for the golden ticket to draw my penis

We're all having a bit of fun. We're all having a fun time. Yeah, opportunity. All right. Opportunity wasn't the best. Opportunity wasn't my best. Thank goodness it's buried at minute 40 of the podcast. Tell the listeners what's, what's, you.

So you quit comedy. I think last time you were on, you had quit. Last time I was on, I was on quit. I had quit. I was off camera. Is there a camera on me? There's not a camera on you. Sam Clark is maybe going to do some sort of visual.

I've asked, and he hasn't responded, but some sort of like, I thought he could just film an empty chair or something. That'd be cool. Perhaps for this part of the podcast, there could be a second empty chair. That'd be awesome. And there's two chairs.

Going back and forth. He doesn't have a lot of time to do it, so he'd have to pivot with the lens from one to the other. Sam, if you're listening, those are my feelings. Those are my parameters. That's, I insist. That's what I believe in. And then you got back into comedy and you were a success immediately again.

So, well done. Thanks. Proud of you. Thank you. I'm worse. You're worse at comedy? I'm worse. Oh, you're mentally worse now.

You're mentally worse now. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's the... It's the wheel you break yourself on. It's the thing you choose. All magic comes with the price. Nothing is easy. Some things are very easy.

Nothing is easy. Nothing good is also easy. What about eating an ice cream? No. It makes you swollen. Make something? Yes, it does. I get very excited about it.

Ice creams, we are going to go for a beautiful walk. 7 p.m. until traffic. We're going to order Uber Eats. We're going to have a nice meal. We're going to go for a walk. We'll walk to the meal. This neighborhood that we're in. Impossible to walk to any meal.

Impossible to walk to any meal. No matter what. Oh, no. Really? No, no, no. This is near where. Big edit. Big edit point, strong edit point.

Bold edit point. Yeah. Yeah, you know. well you're back you're back doing comedy you probably there I know all about that I've already said

I think it's odd that we're both doing this we're both sort of we both took some time off and we're both coming back and you're getting so many things you don't have to worry about the things it's nice to be done well how good is it to come back

it's good to come back and it's good to go away to go away to come back you got to go away and it's always sad no matter what you do you know I wonder if that's not a good ideology for us.

You think that I'm sorry. No, I like to force optimism on myself. I shouldn't be the one deciding the ideology for us. I like to force optimism and this is a problem. It works when people don't know me well. And then after they've known me a little bit, they go, James, you just loudly say things like, it's going to be all right or this is great.

You do, you do say that a lot. I think it's a compulsion that I have. It's going to be okay. Everything's going to be all right, Ruby. I'm proud of you. And I mean it. I mean it when I say it. And I mean it when I say it.

I know you do. If you didn't mean it and you were yelling, that'd be crazy. A guy, Sam Campbell, who's in town as well. No, well, he goes, he said, when I first met you, you said, it moved me. What did I say that about it? No, sorry, Sam Campbell said this about me. He said, when we were first hanging out, I saw something. I said, oh, that moved me.

I'm moved by that. And then he's like, then we hung out for a few days. You must have said, eight or nine. things moved you the sunset moved you the breeze the dinner we ate moved you the softness of a pillow the new way that i think of the the personality is that that it's an open window that goes that it so stuff gets in and stuff gets out and there's no way no possible way to ever close it you can put up a big fight what do you mean you can try to close There's no possible way.

No, we have free will. No, we do, but I just mean that, like, that's the temperament, though, is that, like, all external stimuli is absorbed? Everything gets in, and everything you feel about what God in gets out. Like, everybody can see everything you feel at any given moment. It's awful. I mean, it's also beautiful. Some people aren't like that. I know.

You think you have a sanguine disposition? No, I don't, no, I didn't mean that type of temperament. I see. whatever, yeah. You said you're... We're similar in ways. Oh, no. I know.

I don't think I'm saying, Gwen, I think I'm caloric and I feel really bad about it. I think it's the worst one. By far. And you look at all the descriptions of all of them. They're like, you have, you're this, you, you're, you're kind to people. Like, when you look at all the pros of all of them. And then you get to caloric and it's like, you, you destroy everybody in business.

You're the biggest businessman. You destroy worlds. If you replaced business with comedy, you'd be like, yeah. No. I am. No. I'm getting it done out there. And then other clerics, I don't like them.

Clerics also get everything done. I don't get everything done. And are wealth creators. You get so much done. You're a doer. I am a doer. But so are you. I'm agentic.

You're what? Agentic. That's a word my friend Madeline told me. Agentic. I thought you said, I'm an aging dick. Is your optimism gone? It's odd. The content of what he's saying has drastically changed, but the tone has remained the same.

It's a rosy cheek. It's like the coyote running off the cliff. Is that what you saw at night when you were walking in LA? I actually did see a coyote last night. My Uber driver, an Ethiopian butler. Why do you say Butler? Because he was driving you around. He told me all about how he had been a butler,

but that his family had had a change in this situation in life. Oh. And they said, oh, he said, they just got older. I thought they'd lost all their money. Yeah. But they'd just gotten older, but he was the butler to this family. Wow. And now he drives Uber.

But he was like, he came around and opened the door for me. We spoke about Ethiopian jazz and Alal Salasi. And he was a hell of a guy. Now you can answer that and put that on the... It's not a phone call. What is it? It's my alarm for 5.30. What happened?

Oh. Every day of 5.30, I get really sad, so I have an alarm to remind me that it's just 530. Are you being serious? Do you think if you went to a different time zone that would happen there? It's the sun going down. Really? Yeah. I get it in the mid-afternoon.

That's where I usually have my most desperate. There's a word for it. The noonday devil is a better word. Aphasia. Yeah, I'm going to get it wrong. So one will not. But yeah, that's my sad hour. But your sun going down is bad for you.

That transition. I wonder if it's, and I've wondered about this because I've only noticed it in recent years, so it's impossible. I cannot tell you how long it's been happening. And I wonder, because I've been doing stand-up since I was a kid. And I wonder if it's show-dread. It happens whether or not I have a show. When did you start?

18, 17 or 18. I started at 17 as well. 18, yeah, I wonder if the body keeps score. The body keeps the score. Yeah, I'm bad from about lunchtime on that For a show you don't even doing a show tonight It doesn't that's the point that I'm making Yeah

It doesn't matter Yeah, because I started doing stand-up so young That my body when the sun goes down It's like, you're gonna have fail In front of, you're gonna, or not that you're gonna fail But you have to, it's your job now to impress Fight and flight Yeah

Well, I mean How good though How good that the body has You know like you watch male tennis players. The body has kept the score. The body's kept the score. Thank God the body keeps score

because we're running up the numbers. That's not bad. My body keeps score and I'm running up the numbers. If you watch it, so male tennis players, the big way that I find them to be different to the lady tennis players is not only the genital,

but their arm, like if they're a one hand, like Roger Federer, had one Frankenstein arm, huge, Popeye forearm and one normal arm because he was head of one, hand at backhand.

So it was all on that arm, you know, and it's like, on the one hand, you go, that's a deformity. Yeah. That motherfucker's deformed. You're a lopsided. But also, it allows him to do all the stuff that he does. And you have this thing where you're broken and you start to panic at five. And it means that probably more shows are good for having that panic state. I mean, what a terrible thing to live with for having a 10, 15% chance of being better on the night with the drama.

10.50. I know. I know. Sam J. took me aside last night and gave me a... This is how you talk about being a lesbian. Hey, I heard you've been talking about being a lesbian, and I wasn't happy with the way you're doing it.

You're doing it wrong. She said, James, your black lesbian material is stepping on me. I said, don't trip. No, she gave me a tequila, and she said, that's all you can do now. And that's also when I got a text from you. What did I say? Just like, well, you sent back nice things that I had sent to you about. Oh, yeah.

And by nice things from me. And my favorite nice things from you. But it was really, it was a nice moment. And it brought me the two minutes of calm I needed to go out and be okay. Also, easy. The tequila and the nice messages. And also the years of practice, but mostly the tequila and the nice messages. And also it was nice going out first because I had the added bonus of being able to go.

Enjoy the show. The rest of the show is more enjoyable. But when you're on first, you get to come out and you get to do something that if anyone else does it they seem psychotic you get to go Los Angeles California the Hollywood Bowl yeah pretty good I think pretty good for a pod oh is that doing both of us can you say something? Hello

hello yeah that's great well well we should you should order that food get a rig a rig a one because we've almost that's almost an hour you almost an hour my mom knit me a hat and she wanted to give it to me before I left for Alpharetta a few weeks ago. And she called me in the morning at 5 a.m. before my flight. She said, I knit your hat.

Do you want me to come bring it to you before you fly away? I said, no, it's too late. And then, but thank you. And then she hung up. And then I, and then she called me and we were on the highway. And she was like, I'm at your house with the hat. Have you left already? And I said, yeah, I'm on the highway.

She's like, should I meet you at the airport? and I said no. This is a great hat. This is the opposite of me trying to give you that shirt, my wife bought you. I know. You refused to give me the shirt. I said, it's very soon. That's not what you said, actually, because the second time I said, did you get the shirt?

And you said, the shirt. And I said, yeah, did you get me the shirt? And he said, and you said, did I get you a shirt? And I said, yeah, James, did you remember to bring me the shirt? And he were like, oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think this is something we... Oh, get you a shirt.

Well, it slips sometimes. Sometimes I am to you. You have it as well. You have divish. Fuck you get out of my way behavior as well. And I think we... I bring you a shirt. I think we're better...

I think because we both have that in us. We are better at not eliciting it out of the other person. But I will say, I do it to Eve all the time. And I know you do it to evil. I don't want to make Eva our punching better. I do it to Eve. Well, Eve says you do it to her, and I definitely have time to go, Eve, enough.

And she laughs, she has a good time. I get very sensitive when people are nasty to me like that. And yet I am myself. Extraordinarily. There is a bit. Sensitive and insensitive. Yes. Yeah.

I'm a real dish-in-out, can't take it. It's really, it's awful. I am so unpleasant at this. I'm going to leave it in, but I go into a maniacal place, and I hope people think it's a character. Oh, about what? Just, I did a read. Okay.

So I hit this table with my nails. Yeah. I did a read for a commercial and I want the code to be catamaran, but they made it JDFM and I was angry that they were commercializing my name rather than my show, which is an art piece about commercialization. And I got really upset on my own in this house. It's very good that you've come because we were in, wow, once we got to the choral music stage of the podcast, we were in real trouble.

Coral music. It's always a sign that the podcast has gone bad. I love Los Angeles. I love it. You said that I shouldn't move here, though. You said I should move if I should move somewhere. Well, I don't. I mean, what the fuck do I know?

You said I should go to New York. It's beautiful here. It's so beautiful. You can do sets and it has the feeling like the coast is around you so you can escape when the water wars come. California. Here we can. California. Okay, yeah, and pro.

Can I give you another pro? Red Hot Chili peppers are unlistenable anywhere else. That's bullshit. Unlistenable. State of Mississippi. Papa was a copper and her mama was a hippie. Yeah, they turned that on in Ohio.

All around the world. A panic attack. All around the world. They can make time rumpin and a stumping because they're in their prime. I love that song so much. That would be one of my top ten songs of all time. around the world by the bread hodge of the purpose i don't know that one

that one pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop it's the one where he goes But ruffin in a stump and feels like that's he was waiting It's the one where he says if I never it ruby is of an age You've never heard the nang non non nong ning nang bit No You have lots of racist bits about Asian people It's a song called All around the world we can make it's he sings the song

And the first two times around he sings the chorus where he goes I know I know it's true you say hello and then I say I do or whatever nonsense that he's saying but the next time he does the chorus he goes I know it's true Ning-n-n-nong-nong-nong-n-nang-nong-ning-nang-nong-ning-nang

It's the album opener It's the opening track on the album And I always want to work it There's a couple of song lyrics I always want to work into the act One of them is Nang, gong, gong, nang, gna gna gna gna gna. One of them is, I'm a dangerous man with some money in my pocket. Keep up.

Which is Bruno Mars. Like that one. Dark news. Someone did it last night. Dog days. Someone did a darkness enveloping me. Oh, darkness. From metallic, darkness. Darkness enveloping me.

Dan Soda did it last night. And I thought, I've always wanted to say darkness enveloping me. No. And Dan Sondon, it's good parallel thinking. He's awesome. You never attempted to reverse engineer a song lyric into your... Into a joke? Yeah.

No. How? I do it. I used to do it in-between jokes a lot. Like you take a song lyric and you try to turn it into a punchline? No. As a non-sequitur for rhythm between unrelated things. I would finish one bit and I go, quote it.

And that's the way the thing went. Mr. Kachatore! Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, it's great to be here with you all my... I'm going to end my next set with... And Mama, I'm moving out. I started coming out to that. It's unbelievably. Yeah, in San Diego.

I just pulled that out of my butt. I said Mr. Cacciatore. Oh, right. I know you thought, I know you thought you had just thought of that randomly. But by saying Mr. Cacchatori, I had implanted Anthony's song. You really had. That's what I'll do for the audience as well. Mr. Cacetori.

There's on him on the street. What street does she live in? I listened to scenes from an Italian restaurant for the first time through. Do you know that song? You've never gotten all the way through. I just thought the whole fucking song was a waiter doing the wine menu. I thought it was, I thought it was eight minutes, and I listened to like a minute, a bottle of red, a bottle of white. That's what, not of that.

Have a rosé, oh, apatif tonight. I was like, that's a slog. Everyone says, this is great. I think I made it to the saxophone. So I was like, nah, sorry. And then I fell asleep in the car while we were driving. Yeah. And Fuzzy loves Billy Joel, I found out.

And I woke up like halfway through the song. And it was that I couldn't, I don't even remember how it goes. I've only heard it like four times because I made them play it over and over again. But I loved it. You made them play it for a dime time. I said, go back to that bit. Which one? Where he's like, um,

ba da da da da da da do da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da. You know this? No. Brendan and someone were going a steady Oh yeah Summer of 75 Pum pao

Da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da that's what you get for a wife Yeah Yeah he's like Oh For life And he goes and it was at that point I woke up and I went

I never knew it was in there I never knew it was in there there's a secret behind the door It's at the restaurant Yeah it's unbelievable I didn't even know that was the same song It's the same song Until you've said it yeah

I said this guy I said this is Bohemian Rhapsody for Long Island And you know it's like when a really good book Has a bad cover man you know what it made me think of what you know the song liquid swords no

it's one of the best post-wutang clan singles and the wu tain clan would always play weird outtakes from chinese kung fu movies beforehand and it's a full 90 seconds of a little girl describing her father being brutally killed and then you hear like a woman weeping

while something fucking awful it's like the most unlistenable 90 seconds ever. The samurai came for my father. Oh! It's all these terrible noises. You ever sort of wish that the gift that God gave you was to be a musician? A musician?

Yeah. That seems easier to me. And you can be artsier and weirder and I think you get called faggot left, which is weirder because it's less theatrical than comedy. And people would be so impressed every time you said something funny. They'd be like, and it's funny. And he's funny. Oh, my God.

I would love to be and she's funny. she's funny. In addition, but it's just, yeah, she's funny. That's about it. That's about it. Not true. Yeah. I think if you started wearing really unusual clothes, you could be a style icon.

I already do kind of wear unusual. I don't know how to dress because I've been dressing like a girl and it's and I don't know how to do it. That is new for you. You're in a better place and so you're feminine up. Yeah. Congratulations. When I get to a good place, actually, I think I got to a better place and I went butch. When?

Oh, yeah, because you were dressing like a nun and then you met your beautiful wife. You told me. Yeah, that's true. Sorry. Not out and about. Oh, I'm just on stage. No, people can look it up. It was a great show.

Nonopoly. I'm sorry. Monopoly. Monopoly. No nun Monopoly two. Monopoly one had to play winning Monopoly and live a fulfilling life in Christ. And boy, did that divide audiences. Yeah.

I had awaiting my mustache, which was a show about hoping. I thought I'd write a whole show about hoping my facial hair would come in. It hadn't come in by that point. I was like 1819. And, but then the show wasn't about that at all. Yeah, never. It was just, it was every bit that I'd written up until that point. What else did?

McAndle in the wind. I did that one. I did. You write one called McCandemond. McAndment? Mm-hmm. I don't remember what all the shows were called because they were ridiculous, pointless names of just what I, what I had that year.

It was stand-up. It was stand-up, with a little story. But I was writing new hours. I wrote like five hours. I wouldn't remember one of those jokes. now. Is it recorded somewhere? I did Ozzy and Proud. I got a recording of Ozzy and Proud, which was meant to be a bad.

I would always like come up with the title and then write a different show. Yeah. And then I wrote, I tried to fix that show. I wrote a show about, oh, man, it's all shit. I didn't record any of them. It's probably for the best. You don't record anything? I got like bad recordings.

No, I got really bad recordings. I used to sit and make yourself sit. I would sit with you and listen to them to find the stuff that you're leaving behind. It's so hard With a showy show To pull bits out And have them work independent of the showy showy show Yeah, it was all Edinburghy shows

Adelaide, Adelaide I'm going to make Adelaide What people say instead of Edinburgh It was very Adelaide Yeah, it was very Adelaide That's what I was going to say I don't know why Just came to me

Still go a city And the song of seven and a five And that's what you get at war wife What did he mean by that? I don't know that that's even the lyric It is It's the one that stayed with you. Sometimes what you get for a wife.

I don't think he says that's what you get for a wife. It is. It's because you chose wrong. You chose wrong, so that's what you get. I don't even think they chose wrong in that song. I think they... What kind of fun, wife. I don't think they were...

Wife. I think they spent all their fucking money on a waterbed. There's a waterbed reference in that song. And all I could think was that... Since an Italian restaurant. Where have all the waterbeds gone? It's showing me all Billy Joel's wife. Has he had multiple wives?

No, it's just showing me women. Has he had one wife? I bet Billy Joel. I wonder. And that's what you get for a wife. What is the name of that song, Italian restaurant? Something about an Italian restaurant. I realized I met Oliver Tree last night.

I don't know if you know Oliver Tree. No. It goes on and on and on and on. Do you know that? Oh, no, no, no. Yeah. And Jim T. I bet.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But I also realized that I met someone from a song that I liked. I met Andy Milanakis, who I know several songs by. And I would have said, thank you if I'd known it was that person. But I didn't know. You know what I mean? I just didn't know.

I think Andy Milanakis might have come up with pussy, pussy, pussy marijuana, which I say all the time. But I think that might be a direct quote. Anyway, they were nice people. But again, Oliver Tree, great musician, is so funny, but people go, wow, funny. Wow, funny. No one goes, wow, funny with me. That's your fucking job.

Yeah, you better be. And it doesn't work the other way, sadly, because people also do not go, wow, the music's great. They go, keep it to yourself. Okay, it doesn't say wife in the song in the way that I thought, but to my point, he does rhyme the word life with life four times. His rhymes do frustrate me. And I mentioned that in the car and I could tell Fuzzy turned a little bit. But I was like, he's very like cry, die, goodbye, why.

His rhymes are kind of. Fuzzy's cold end on you. I felt the freeze coming to the honor of you. That's his alter ego, freezey. It's something like his one of the lines in that song is like, someone's a song when you're crazy Eddie you're much too lazy It's like why they can't get married

And the line is like because you're too lazy It's like no one's ever said don't get married You're too lazy No one's ever said that No one ever would It's like when people rhyme like health Like people like got to look after your health In a song so they can have a wealth rhyme or stealth

Does you do is pick up the beep Sorry see what you said again Can you see what the crazy line is Because it's lazy It's where he says lazy Yeah. But what's the full? It just struck me as I was listening to was like, I love this song.

I'm having a beautiful experience. I'm pretty sure that's not a good lyric. Everyone said they were crazy. Brenda, you know that you're much too lazy. And Eddie could never afford to live that kind of life. Could never afford to live that kind of life is great. Yeah. But does that rhyme with life?

No, wife, surely. Brenda, you know that you're much too lazy. And Eddie, well, in addition, with the additional context, Eddie, you could never afford to live that kind of life. There is the implication that Brenda is meant to be a hardworking housewife and that Eddie is supposed to pay for it. And so her being lazy would get in the way of that. It would get in the way. It just, it's not how I imagine that information being conveyed. I will say a great lyric in Anthony's song, Moving Out, which if I can remember, oh, I'm going to get it wrong.

But he's medical center. He says medical center in a way that I found very evocative. Catcher Tori. Mr. Catcher Torre. I love saying it. Mr. Catcher Torres. I wish that you would read Steinbeck so that I could talk about Steinbeck with you because I think you'd love it if he gave it.

Well, you'll have to talk about it with Shane because I was meant to read it two years ago and I haven't got around to it. Sajun O'Leary is. He goes, Mr. Cacciatore reminded me of Steinbeck. Did it? Yeah, because Steinbeck always has an Asian man who owns a shop in all of his books. It's just a...

I've got to read it. I can't make a joke about it because I haven't read it. I just want to say this... It's Sullivan Street, and I looked it up and it's not a real place, Mr. Cacchatoris. Sergeant O'Leary is walking the beat. At night, he becomes a bartender. He works at Mr. Cacchatories down on Sullivan Street across from the medical center. and I could so see in America a sad medical center opposite a bar.

Yeah. Medical center. Not a hospital. Yeah. Medical center. It really stayed with me. It's something. And then, of course, I think he dark, he breaks his back or something.

Yeah. If he can't drive with a broken back, it comes out of nowhere. When does he break his back? Does it say how he breaks his back? No, he's across from the medical center. He's trading in his Chevy for a Cadillacaca. You ought to know by now. And if he can't drive with a broken back,

it just skips the breaking the back. He was working as a bartender at Mr. Cajitori's. And now he's got a broken back. Does he just mean that he's got, he's old? Or does he mean that he's a, just breaking your back kills you?