The James Donald Forbes McCann Catamaran Plan - S2 Ep14: Zeitgeist Street Talk with Darcy

Episode Date: May 27, 2026

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Start your free trial today. All right. Live from Bacetta Hotel. Good evening, everyone. Here we are at the Exeter Hotel. Now, the Exeter Hotel, quite recently, has gathered notoriety because of a fortunate figure that entered my life not too long ago. Around here is a chair, a table set and dined in by one James Donald Forbes-McCain.

And this man is a podcast of... a comedian. And here he sat on the 8th of February, 2026, in this very chair. I don't think it was this chair specifically, but one of these chairs like it. Well, the story he told, the story that unfolded at the moment, the moment, is that he had a steak sandwich, had a prayer, and about it in front of a live audience. And this was a was broadcast live on television. The television within our homes, right around here. He sat, he stayed, he talked, and he performed. And this man is the reason why I'm doing this

today. And I'm happy. Breaking out a character. Are you kidding? This ash here. Who smoked he and put that ashes? It's everywhere. You are listening to the Darcy Fox Mutton James Plan for Tatum Reland. I don't know if those fellas are still here. For those viewers, over there there was a couple of, I don't know, hoodlums wearing those target shirts. They were filming something about the statue over there. Am I coming in clear? Because I can't hear anything. I'm deaf in one ear and deaf in the other.

And all this traffic are coming around. Well, it was actually quite a lovely day today. They said it was going to be like, what, top of 18, low of 9, 18 low of 9, cloudy and I mean besides the clouds it's a perfect day, perfect day. And they're going to have all these people over here sitting in their cars with a frown on their face. Like that don't know what's to be grateful for. Oh here we go. Come, come my flock.

If you look right up towards the angel, you can see a nice big pair of, oh they're not that big, but you can see at least one testicle up there and a bit of pubic hair. And that's a fun fact you would never really know unless you, well, had a little tour guide. I'm not going to be that tour guide, but you wish you were. Come here, bird. Come on, my first guest, I'm not going to sit at the statue. It's a bit disrespectful, but I'm going to stand here and talk. Welcome everyone to the Das Karst, James Catamaran Forbes, Catamaran, something.

And here we are today. It's the 21st of May. It's on a lovely transitional weather today. I would like to extend my gratitude before we get started with anything. To the lovely cameraman, his assistant, the cameraman's wife, the assistant's wife, to James himself, and to everyone. Hello. How are you? I'm going to be a smash here, aren't I?

Can you hear me, Darcy? I can absolutely hear you. This is awesome. What a good little thing. I think I'm going to reframe here. There's not enough light in my background. Oh, yeah. I'm walking over.

some directed like a little attack dog I am. Where do you want me to be? That's good. That's good, Das. This is good? Well, oh, come here, man. Stay there, stay there, Dars. All right, we're gonna get right into the frame. Hello, man. Yeah, hello. Hello. What's your name? Eddie. Hello, Eddie. Yeah. Well, are you from here ready? What's that? Are you from here ready? Oh no, my black ass is from Africa. Well, what part of Africa? I'm from Liberia, West Africa. Liberia?

Yeah. Hello, man. I know nothing about Liberia, but tell me about Liberia. Liberia is, you know, a poor country. There's not much there. We have diamonds, we have gold, but we don't really know the value. So we just walk over diamond and gold, and we just keep going. And we stay broke.

We stay poor. I'm sorry to hear about that. It's all. We're just dumbed, that's all. Oh, I don't think you're a dumb man. But is the country poor just because you're not in it right now? No. Oh.

Oh, I don't know, this is my first interview. Tell me more about yourself. I'm Eddie. My black bat is homeless. I'm on the street. So, yeah, I'm just trying to survive. Yeah. Surviving is something we can all do.

Now, I would like to ask you some questions, only about two, and it's related to all about the political and social zeitgeist of society. How do you feel of modernity, as in modern life? Do you feel is it entering a period of stagnation, or that the people are entering a period of stagnation in their development? I think life is all right. We're taking one step at a time. I think life is fine.

I don't think anything is going out of whack. I think at the end of the day, God is in control. It's not our creation. It's God's creation. So I think life is balanced. I don't think that there's... I don't think anything is going out of whack. I think everything is a part of life, and that's how life is.

Well, I can agree with you right there. God is in control of everything. Yeah. Yeah. It's not our creation, so, you know, it's his. So, I mean, he knows what to do with what he has. All right. Do you believe that...

Oh sorry, the truck is getting into it is all right. Sorry. Hey, you're a good man Eddie. I like talking to you. Thank you man. And that isn't just, you know, oh, I'm going to plug myself saying you. Like, I like you, man. I like you.

Yeah. You are? Yeah. Oh, what shade? Um, chocolate. Chocolate. Well, we're all the fan of chocolate. Come on, smile at the camera, man.

Thank you, guys. Thank you, Eddie. Yeah. Eddie, I wish you well. Thank you so much. some greatness to match as great as you are. See you, man. See you, Eddie.

I like Eddie. Well done. Boy, what a start. Well done. So what did James exactly tell you to come out here and do? What was the... Pardon? So James set you a task.

What was James' task that he asked you to do to come out here? Well, to find to... I've already forgotten it. But we're just going to try and find out what everyone's about. Find out what life is about. Find out what society is about right now. Because in this modern climate, there are fears, there are perhaps theories,

that things are becoming fractured, disorganized, people are being splintered, and that wholeness is not necessarily a part of... Would you like to be in the pot? Would you like to be in the pot? Come on. Oh, yeah, yes, do it. Do you know who James Donald Forbes-McChan is?

No clue. No clue. Should we? Should we know him? I didn't even know him when I first met him. Sorry, you're all right. All right. We go with this? I'm a novice to this stuff.

How do you feel society is at the moment? Society in Adelaide? Or in general? Society, human society in it. It doesn't have to be, it can be broader than Adelaide. It can just be Australian society or global Western society. How do you feel about that? expensive expensive well what part of is it is it monetary expensive or

sort of spiritually expensive taxing both both yeah well could you elaborate a bit more about that it doesn't affect you personally we don't know much because we're very young it doesn't affect us I wouldn't say it affects me it affects you for monetary wise I try to buy groceries one time and I to spend 200 for like a little amount And my car declined. Ooh! I can feel that.

Oh, living off two mena-nurtles and whatnot. Yeah, yeah. What's in his hand? The guy in the glasses. What's in his hand? Anything else? What's that you got in the hand? Protein milk.

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$3.70. Are you a repeat customer for the type of milk? Yeah, they actually recently up the price by like 20 cents. Oh, whatever scam. Would you steal it off the shelves? I actually work for calls, so I don't really want to get fired from them. Okay, if you steal a lot of voucher for you, personally. First thing, what's your names?

Daniel. Hasim. Hazem. Hazem. Hazem. Hazem. Hazem. Hazem.

Hazard, Hazam and Daniel. Yeah, yeah. Pleasure to meet you both. Pleasure to meet you both. Did they have their own pod? What? So these guys have their own pod? Do you have your own podcast, you two?

Or on what? Own podcast. Nah. Should we start one? Yeah, we should start one. And then we can rival your podcast and then get more viewers than you. Oh, that's good.

I'm actually glad you got a better idea. Stop buddying it, please. All right, don't worry about them. Yeah, I know, he's talking to me. I've got these voices in my head. That's why I go to church. Carry on. Carry on.

So, you two, good dynamic. set up your own podcast correct yes good well what would that be the first thing you want to talk about in your podcast everything we'll try everything yeah everything why limited to one subject when you can talk about everything okay would you talk about our societies at the moment like things that ground grand is granted issues to you know not just humanity but like to a whole generation young generation I think we were more focused on a go fund me so we can buy a ninja 500 yeah a bike where we're we're gonna ride a bike

Two Ninja 500s and if we can, a third one for our friend Alvin. A third one for your friend Alvin? Yeah, different colours as well. So we're going to have to get... Go, go, go, go, go, go. What, you've got like, Charlie's Angels? Yeah, but male. Male version.

All right, good, good, good. I'm the blonde one. Because she's bad at me. True, true, honestly, true. Oh! I don't want to get off of this, but like, oh. No, I can't, I can't. I really want to talk about women, but, you know, they have to hear about that.

Girls. Girls. Girls. We don't know much about girls. Yeah. You kidding. We don't know much. We just focus. Focus on school. Focus on school. Focus on buying a bike and getting money and getting money. That's what we want and getting rich and training and that's your mindset. Yeah. Focus on what's what's important. What actually matters. Yeah. What's important to you and your plan? Your life story. We're gonna start a business move to Miami and buy Penthouse lipe. Lipe. Lipe. Lipe. Until we make it until we make it. I agree with that. Thank you. Hey, both of you. I Daniel? Hasing? Hasim. Hasim. Thank you so, thank you boys so much. I know you're probably older than me but thank you boys.

No it's okay. Alright, we like to spread kindness to the youth. That's good. Hopefully I'm not the youth. Hey, you too. Bye bye. So what's when you hosted the pod last time, what's been the kind of the fallout for you? What's sort of happened?

Fallout? Yeah. Well there's no one egging my house yet. I haven't been firebombed, unlike certain media. No, well, life, it's been all right. My view is, my, how I view myself, sort of mellowing, changing. Is this good? All right.

It's going up and down. We all have erupts and downs. Are they circling us like sharks, aren't they? No, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no, Ms. Would you like to be?

Oh, that's fine. Thank you. I don't know how James does this. He's really retooled his brain. Not as in to make it seem like he's supernatural, but it just comes naturally to him. He can go up to people. And he just sort of,

he doesn't pass judgment, he just talks to people as they are. It doesn't put a face on. He doesn't see them as having a face on. It's just a simple exchange of words, perhaps to start or to end a conversation. And he carries it. He carries it well. Hello. You want to be in this? That's fine. Ooh, we are sort of stalling here. Should I get closer or further away from the camera?

I haven't it lately. I look a bit ugly. You're looking sharp, Dars. Sure, aren't I don't. This is the same suit from when you hosted the pod? It is. I was going to wear something better, but it's not cold enough. in fact I was going to drench my hair so it'd make it look like I was rained on which is a gag I'll say for another day

so when James asked you to come and do the man on the street because obviously we found you doing our like street doing this exact thing yeah what did you feel when he asked you to post one well

I mean it's a little daunting actually it's being as candid as I can it's daunting because there's no it's not applying for a job. It's not being asked in the line of duty to charge a front line. This is sort of out of the blue.

You get a little bit of taste of it by being interviewed. And then all of a sudden you're pulled, you're elevated upwards that you may be able to do this sort of thing. You can just be canonized as someone good enough to do it. It takes something that either you know your true self and you overlook what your own inhibitions are. You overlook what stops you. And you go on to just roll with it. Because either you can go into this being as polished and sharp and as clear-headed and focused as James is, as I believe he is,

or you can play a character. if you play a character you're sort of blocking everything else because you're stepping over who you are you're not longer playing as yourself you're playing as someone who has this

confidence this moxie to do whatever to take a challenge to walk up to people when they were if they were just playing themselves they'd stop they'd freeze they'd have anxiety

but if you're not playing yourself you don't see that You see a simple connection. You play a tough guy, all of a sudden become tough, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's going to transcribe onto who you are. And I guess that's kind of what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to import a little bit of the magic behind playing someone else onto me so I can get better at this.

And with any luck I may. Now, can you hear me, Darcy? I can certainly hear you. Hello. You two gentlemen, would you like to be on the pod? Would you like to be filmed here on the podcast? No, thanks. That's all right.

I'm trying. Oh. Is Stan Michael, this little thing? Please, too, gentlemen. Hello. Hello. Sorry. That's all right.

Do you want to be in? What is it? Well, we're going to ask. James Donald Forbes McCann Catamaran plan. The James Donald Forbes McCann Catamaran plan. And we're not going to be talking about catamaranes today. We're going to be talking about issues involving society. How do you view, like, if I may, with your blessing, how do you view modern society?

Do you believe it's stagnating or believe there is a slow forward march to progress? I'm not sure. I'm actually here on a work trip. You're on a work trip? I'm not from Adelaide. You're not from Adelaide. Where are you from? Melbourne.

Melbourne? Farewell. How are you going, man? Hey, yeah. Darsie, I'm just going to clean up your earpiece. Fair enough. We'll take a 10 minute break, or five minute break. God, this is like school again.

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of fame and knowing several other celebrities that also makes them more famous has asked me in good faith they come out here and talk to people to talk to people about the political

I keep on talking the political doesn't have to be political the zeitgeist the zeitgeist can be political. It can be social the smell on the air. It's a lot of the air. It's a lot of better than it is in Rundle Mall. No, but the trees. The trees, the trees. The trees.

Yeah? It smells. I don't know what it is. Like that maple rotten smell of old urine. It's bad. Here it's fine. I'm fine. Everyone's fine. Now, geez, that's a peck bus. They look like they've got a zeitgeist about them. They got something to say. Hello, gentlemen.

Would you like to be on the podcast? What's the podcast about? Oh, the podcast is about, well, it's the James Donald Forbes' Catamaran plan. I fumble that every time. Oh, here. Come this way. From this way. No right.

Well, all right. Put your big smile on. This will be fine. We'll all be fine. May I, first thing, may I get your names? Ryan. Ryan? Yeah, I'm cut.

Brian and cut. What? Kurt. Kurt, Brian and Kurt. Yeah. Like Kirk Cobain, Brian and Kurt. Yeah, exactly. That famous architect, you know, Brian, Kirk Cabain, whatever his name was.

Now, Brian and Kurt, may I ask you some questions around what the, what zeitgeist is? Do you know what sideguise is? No. Can you get a body position to camera for them? Can you come ahead? Kurt? Is this good? Beautiful.

That's so good. Look at those people. Yeah. That'll be fine. These people are brick wall, don't worry about them. No. Sorry, I'm about to get used to that. Do you know, how does it make you feel society in the way that it's currently headed? How do you think it's headed and how does it feel to you?

Do you believe that there's a forward momentum in society's pace at the moment? I feel like it's kind of stopped. You feel like there's stagnation? Yeah. And what do you think is... Do you think there's a cause for this stagnation? Probably. I mean I feel like the whole world is kind of stopping. Or like everything's happening with all the wars and stuff and all the conflict everywhere.

Anything you're sorry about that, Ted? I agree with everything he says. All right. So it's not just an economic slowdown, is it like a spiritual, a soulful slowdown? Like if I just think of it? just think about it like as me. As you? Oh yeah, I reckon a little bit.

Like thinking about, thinking about, thinking about everything. Thinking about everything, is there a heavy toll when it comes to thinking about economics, when it comes to thinking about other people, does that weigh upon you heavily enough that causes you stress or anxiety?

Probably not anxiety, not that much stress, but like it's just something because we can be affected but luckily nothing's happened yet or you know this is something to think about in the back of the mind yeah I reckon and do you think there would be a sort of principal call uh not a cause a solution what do you think there is missing a modern society if there is something missing what do you think it is something missing I wouldn't know Nothing about anything that's sort of connection to the people or a sort of disarray of organisation between people or to general groups in society. That makes sense.

Sorry if I feel like I'm putting a bit of stress on you guys. No, no, it gets me thinking. No, it's good. It gets me thinking, yeah. You regularly think about sort of situations or not not situations, but this topic. a lot? Maybe if it's like on my TikTok. Oh, do you use TikTok? Like how often do you use TikTok? Actually, I used to use it quite a lot, but I know anymore. Okay, so you're reducing it. Do you believe social media plays a part in this stagnation? Yeah, I mean, I feel like that's where I learn a lot about everything that's happening around the world. Is it the same to you could? Oh, definitely, definitely. Okay. Well, I don't use social media myself. Is it really

is do you think there's a filter between information on TikTok or social medias that can affect how you've received this information? A filter that... I mean, I know they've got the guidelines, but I don't think... There's a news guy I follow. I think he's pretty open about everything that happens.

Oh, I think that's what I see, but not too sure about that one. And who is this nose guy? I don't know what I was saying. All right. All right, I reckon that wrap them up. Thank you, Kurt. And thank you, Brian.

Ryan. Ryan? Ryan. Thank you, Ryan. Thank you, Kurt. I hope you too stay safe and have a lovely date as well. You too, yeah. See around.

Nice one, Das. Oh. I guess you can sort of flow into this more naturally. Were my questions good there? I don't know. Yeah, they were. They were. I just think there was a confusion by participants.

Yeah. I mean I did write down a list of questions here. Let's see if I can read them out. Hopefully no one has HD footage so they can read these things. What the f... Today, my self, no. Here we go. These are some of the questions that I'll attempt to ask.

Hello, sir. Would you like to be a part of this? All right. Vegetarian. Vegetarian? See around. well I'm just confused about how we thought vegetarian do you get that often does James get this often people say vegetarian as they will pass yeah like like something

happened once before like just oh I know how you doing what huh huh I don't happen just stumbling in not not that they stumble often but they just well what happened what happened when you were discovered Darcy. I kind of stumbled in. I stumbled in. I had a vibe. Some people have a vibe. Mr. Vegetarian had a vibe. Yeah, well that's the thing. I think we need to find someone with a vibe. A vibe. Well, and we're looking for vibes. We either go to a place which is full of vibes or a place which is boring enough to have someone shine enough, shine bright enough, that we can see their vibe purely. So either down University away near the art gallery,

or that place, Rundle, or we can sit here. Maybe you get them a bit more down, maybe around Rundle Street. I don't want to sort of drag you around, but... We could go Rundle Street. You know what we could do? We could do the Rundle Mall, Rundle Street intersection. Now there's a place where people would buy. I reckon that's a place. All right. We'll see...

I'm gonna stay rolling and let's go there now. While we're rolling, you can... you come behind me Darcy and you talk into the camera while I'm holding it about the characters of Adelaide. So you hold it towards me and I'm following you? I'm fine by that that's pretty good. Alright. We've got to be avant-garde. Well I've seen plenty of characters of characters in Adelaide. You know what I've seen? I've seen people that have... There was just one guy, highly straight. He soonged off his head and he was talking to a traffic cone.

Fall on conversation like, oh, I did this on the other day, you know, but he's in the mumbling because he had no teeth. Real good conversation. I don't know if I'm bit too close. You're good. You're good. It's wonderful lighting. Can you hear me? I can hear you.

So the characters of Adelaide, there's timeless people as you walk around. They're timeless people in Soresbury in Adelaide. You get those pierced the drum. kind of people, the ones that stumble around in the hat and suit, that they were out of a sort of a program written for TV. There's a guy who wants his face in the news, and you see these people and you don't dare interact with them because that would sort of break the spirit of it all. You just let them, like a, like in a safari, let them be in their own natural environment. You do the same thing when you're on the train, when you sit on the bus,

You see these people. And you can see comedy in that. And that's priceless. Hello, Miss. You can see humor and all. It gives you inspiration. It gives you something that really grounds you down. You don't want to be elevated.

You don't want to float around with an ego. Thinking that you better than people, you just find your place among people. And some of the people we will talk to, hopefully you can do that to me. Who doesn't want to be reminded of life like this? Modern life. I think I said this last time.

But when you meet a stranger, you put it on a face. Sometimes you play it as yourself. Sometimes you play it as someone that's... Someone that isn't you. Because you can self-censor. You can choose to say things that you wouldn't normally say. you choose who you are. Well, there is a bit of trust you have to inherently build up,

not just with strangers. Strangers, you can choose to expose. You can choose to test. But when it comes to perhaps feeling a sense of vulnerability because you've shown yourself and you feel exposed in the way that, I don't know, a fish may latch onto you and start biting you. It's perfectly normal, it's perfectly natural.

It doesn't inherently mean that there is a problem. But what I think it means, it means that there's room for you to get used to it and there's room that you can find out why. You feel that way. You feel like that way maybe because something in the past happened or because it doesn't really feel natural. natural it was raw and rawness is either a good thing because it lays a foundation for change I think we go to the exeter there's no sun here how do you feel about that we go to the

steak sandwich are we going to end it the same way we started that very podcast episode of which I was introduced this recurring character there's a Rochester I think that's smart people here I already kind. You usually don't, when you're meeting with people, there's that sort of iciness. I closed off, walling, insulation between people, before you meet people, and how quickly that breaks when there's something to talk about. When either you or them choose to point out on absurdity, to ask a question that creates an open follow. with everyone. How quickly it all falls, that iciness, that insulation, suddenly everyone's people. And it leads the way that you can start talking as if you were

best friends, since height, since childhood. How great it is to experience that first hand. Because the people that you know you never seen before. People that you really would be unsure about if you ever would meet them over again. but they're there in that moment and they say something and it it sort of it grounds you because it's something to your attention obviously

something that gives you something to focus on but it it recognises that little infancy in you we're going around where you explore talk to people how important a first impressions Darcy

it depends on how long you're going to know that person for. First impressions don't matter. Don't really matter if you're going to become a lifelong friend. It isn't really matter if it's long-term partners. And obviously, if it's years on years and years on end, you know this person, it's all right. First impressions can be a happy memory.

If they're good or bad, if the current conditions are fine, it's all breezy. If things are, then it can feel, like a bit of a pain, sort of, how would I say this? I guess a stench of coldness, of iciness around that moment, around that memory. But that's just for the time being. If someone says, oh, I remember you, mate, you're out of muller, you look like an actual asshole. But you laugh about it, both of you, because you're pointed out in a fun way, maybe not in that example.

Specifically, it's the best great example. I can further entrench a friendship. Yeah. There's a sort of bondiness. There's a sort of lack of fear of judgment. And when there is judgment, it's sort of joyful. Sort of, it comes candidly. But there's a welcoming to it.

And it can make or break. If you put it in the bad way, I'm just eavesdropping. You can make it worse. Yeah, definitely. I hate making it worse. We all do. And when we hear it, when it happens, it can be a gut pain.

Something hard to get over. All right, we'll try not to sit in James' seat. So you stay there, Das. So go in the middle of the alleyway, if you would, Dars. Right down the drainage ditch? Yeah, just down there. That's perfect. So if you can like reporter style talk about how we're here at the exeter where james had his first sandwich like all this sort of

stuff the beginning of meeting you like but reporter style like here we are all right here we are exeter hotel i'm quite i'm quite honestly quite grateful for james because here he he started as like when he was doing this here i didn't know who hamish was i didn't know who sam was simone i didn't know who James was. In fact, I don't even know that Shane Gillis had a name. I was clearly, cluelessly walking up and down Rundle, talking to people, talking to people I know, people that were strangers to me, not long ago either, while there were strangers here that only an hour later came up to me, interviewed me, and sort of helped me. They gave something. Hello, sir. Don't worry about this.

They sort of threaded themselves into my life. Not invasively, but I have a connection now. Not to be parasitic. But it's a line I use to communicate with these people, these people I know well. And it's weird that in only two months, I think. One, two. something along those lines, number of months.

It's about that. Thank you. Did you search it up on a calculator? Yeah, very quickly. Your words better than mine. But not the long ago, and how long it's been since, I'm now doing exactly what he was done. I'm not devouring a steak sandwich with a beard and glasses,

and not trying to... All right, I won't go there. I think I'm going to change seats. There's too many weird stains here. It's better than be mainline. Well, it's better not to be mainline. got to be avant-garde sometimes is just good

I only hope that you get a better screen grab of my face next time you put it in a thumbnail no no no I have friends I have friends nowadays they just like they take that that one whatever I was doing and then they make it their profile picture oh no does I'm sorry like I know they're doing it endearingly

which is what friends should do what you should be doing to strangers once you better know them be endearing you know, front poking or whatnot. But still being nerd of this, it hits weird differently. Like what you said, that you feel a sort of a raw nakedness. Okay, that's a bit. Some of along those words, we all feel that every now and again.

When we try something, no. When we put something to the table that's sort of untested, unfinished, unpolished. And we see if it, not that if it sticks, but if it feels homely. If you feel homely with someone, we've got a connection, we've got a, perhaps a partner for life, a friend that will never judge, never wane. You never move. Sorry, you don't have to move. No, it's right. It's perfect that you're in the way.

No, it's right. It's perfect that you're in the way. Do you want to be there? If you want to be there. Are you right with this? Okay. I don't know. No, I don't care. Would you like to be?

Would you like to be on the pod? This is Darses' first straight pot. Oh. I'm an amateur for this. Is it right if I take one of these seats? Yeah. All right. All right, this feels a bit.

You don't believe how weird this is. For me at least, not for... Oh, cigarette bats. Hello. There's a lot of them. Oh. Did you have a crowd of friends that were just... Yeah, they were here, but they were all heading off at the same time that I got here anyway.

Oh, that's a pity, isn't it? All right. You want me to ask questions? What's their name, yeah? A name? My name is Charlie. Charlie? With an I.E or an I?

I.E., yeah. You hear? You can hear? I can hear you. I forget, it's not like... We're close to enough distance that I can just hear you. Oh, right. I feel like... Zike guys.

This is weird going because it's heavy. No, that's okay. If it's annoying for you. You can hold it in. All right. Like I say, we can take turns. It is heavy, isn't it? So Charlie with a, why?

What's it? I.E. I. Charlie with an I.E. Shortened for Charlotte as well, so. Charlotte? Yeah. I forget that that's how Charlie's spelled.

Yeah. Oh, Charlie with an I.e. Yes. Is this a place you come too often? Yeah. I try and come here. I'm here a few times a week. Oh, is it always, what is it?

Oh, sparkling ale. Sparkling ale. Yeah. I don't know, and that's a... You common? Yeah. Ooh. I'm like a dark out kind of guy.

I've had dark ale before, but I used to get them because they were like, um, cheaper. Cheaper? Yeah. How much? They were like 750, this is like 13. That's when the old puppet cranker that was open. That's when that was open. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I don't really go up there anymore. So it's just kind of here. Yeah. Sorry. Microphones, yeah. It is. It's a very rough habit, but that's okay. You'll get you to it. Do you mind if I ask you some questions around what today's topic is?

Yeah, that's fine. Go for it. Okay. Well, I've forgotten. I had them written down, but it's more like a grocery list. How do you view society at the moment? Do you feel it as if it's... Some of our previous interviewees have thought it's sort of

stagnating, sort of slow crawl of progress, but not necessarily being triumphant in a field that's trying to cross over. I don't know, because I'm not the smartest person in the world, but from what I see through the news and being out in society, I think the world's gone a little crazy at the moment, but I don't think Australia is affected as heavy as some places, but I feel like, I know. I don't follow it too much, but I do try and keep my, kind of keep up to tabs as much as I can. But, yeah, I don't know. Society here in Australia, in Adelaide, at least, I haven't really had any issues personally with, like, discrimination kind of stuff. I guess I found

the right crowd. But, yeah, I guess just the world in general is just kind of crazy for now. Well, I would like to talk about discrimination. I want to hear something about that. But I would like to talk about it. Do you feel it's a political or a spiritual sort of branch around society and its faults, pros and cons, and how it's progressing? I think at the moment it's a lot more political. It's in my opinion.

Yeah, I try not to think about it too much. I guess all the issues on the world. I try and just kind of keep to myself at my own circle and just try and go day by day with, I guess, knowing what's going on, but also there's not much, like, we can try to do what we can to help people and to help things, but there's also not much you can do about it in a way. I guess, in my personal opinion, I'm not too sure. Again, I don't follow too much about it, is.

And you mentioned something about discrimination. I'd like you to talk about that, because, Well, I'm interested. What is this discrimination about? Well, I am in an interracial relationship. So my partner is Malaysian. And for us as a couple being queer as well, when we're together, I haven't actually experienced too much personally about, I guess, the queerness side of it. Racism with her has been quite heavy, and it's actually been quite eye-opening to go from not being around someone, like being around people who haven't experienced, like, there's a discrimination

in a heavy way, I guess, and then meeting someone and being around it and seeing, like, how some people in our state can actually be not the nicest people in the world, but then it's also been less than, I assume, like, other states, I guess, at the moment, like Melbourne and everything have been a bit more heavy with the kind of discrimination and violence against, like, interracial people and stuff like that. Yeah. So do you feel that this discrimination, this personal discrimination, of course, do you think it's sort of a sort of symptom or a direct cause of what may be occurring in society and perhaps its problems? Maybe. I think, again, I think it's still like back on the politics. I think a lot of

discrimination comes from politics and I also still think it stems from America in a way. I also just want to interrupt in a way, I don't know if I'm on the right track of topic. Am I? Because I am not smart with this kind of stuff and I hear words of like politics and discrimination and my things just go to like, I really do think the way that, you know, things have come out with how Donald Trump, I guess, runs America. I think Australia is getting really influenced. I think a lot of countries are becoming very influenced by the way he's doing things.

then also people are trying not to be influenced by him. And it's just quite confusing because, you know, you see a lot of people being like Donald Trump is terrible, but then he's also inviting a lot of these world leaders over and interacting with countries he really wouldn't usually interact with. And it's just like not knowing what's actually going to kind of come of it. And I think, yeah, I think people in society are getting a little bit influenced by that. And I think things have kind of peaked in a really odd.

way since a few things have come more since Donald Trump's kind of lost the plot a bit and he's just started wars and done all that kind of stuff people are getting quite influenced yeah I think that's my opinion and this Western sphere that is perhaps being incorporated by as you would say a rot

would it be a moral soul rot that people are perhaps going out and discriminating people are going out and acting untowards towards people that are disliked and unlike them. My brain don't work. Sorry. I was going to say, in the most simplified times, how would you explain that in like a very simplified time for me to understand? In what my life?

Sorry. It's all right. All right, I'm a bit slow too. So we are here in this episode of the James Donald, Donald Forbes, McCann, Catamaran Plan, hosted by me, we are here to talk about the zeitgeist of modern society. Yeah. Are you familiar with what a zeitgeist is?

No, very much not. Never heard of that word in my life. Fair enough, it's seldom used. And the meaning of it is, perhaps the feeling, the vibe, not to interrupt. So if that's important, you can answer it clearly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was going to say my friends were going to meet up with me in just a second.

Oh, I don't want to get in the way of it. No, if you want them to join then, why aren't we interested? Okay, I'm around the camera. Wait, let me go around there if y'all want to stay here and watch my beer. All right. That's right. I won't touch that. So we are here at the Exeter because

why are we here again well it's it's kind of this it's the spiritual home of of the street talk it's the it's the um originating landscape of this format is this where it was born yeah this is where it's it's it's home it's it's birthplace where it was conceived not it was conceived in the minds many people and of course some of those responsible are here and we're here I guess we're here I guess I'm here to I mean I'm here to trip to sort of pay a undetted tribute because I'm here because of James I'm here and I'm grateful of James and I'm sort of I don't want to say carry the torch because that makes me feel more important but I'm just I'm shipping in

and I'm giving back, and I'm here to talk with people because that's what he did, and talking to people opens up pathways. It opened up mine, but mainly we're here because we're talking about how society feels. It's earned, it's aches,

it's troubles, what it prides itself one and what it sort of... Sorry, I'm actually going to have to go around there because I'm going to have to finish this on the telephone really quick. Hey, that's all right. That's alright. But thank you for interviewing. Thank you, Charlie, i.e. Yes, nice to meet you. Sorry, I'm not the smartest told on the show.

Hey, there's no need to apologise for that. Thank you for talking with us. Yeah, of course. It was really nice to meet you guys as well. All right, good luck. See around, Charlie. Bye. She was nice. Yeah, she was nice. Now I can be more absurd.

You reckon I have to pay for this if I fall off? Okay. True. the astro. Is the zeitguise, like, fluid? Well, the zeitguise is fluid. There's a plenty of opportunity in the right circumstance for it to be, to have, open transmission. It can be felt, it can be understood, and it can be shared, and it can also be divided. And it feels that way. People can interpret it. Well, that's something that Jimmy talks about a lot, too, is he talks about the fractured media landscape. You know, he'll be doing stand-up and he'll say, do you guys know about,

do you guys know about, and he'll say it, he'll say a topic that maybe in yesteryear, people would have, everyone would know the same kind of cultural touch points as each other. And now with social media and all the different, like literally, this is the right term for it, fractured media landscape. There's like less connect, there's less connection dots between people like do you think that's affecting people speaking to each other openly well definitely there are people in their own bubbles everyone's in the own bubble everyone's on their own planet and everyone has their own social bubbles between one another and there is no unification and what is currently within the mind of everyone nowadays you can definitely say for certainty

that's a person dissimilar to me completely opposite is not going to be a like just visually, is not going to be thinking about what I thought about. And even if someone was cloned looking exactly like me, they still wouldn't be thinking about what I was thinking about.

They would know FDR, they wouldn't care for Shane Gellis. They wouldn't know who the hell James Donald Forbes-McCann is. Some people will do. Some don't. Some people don't even know

what insert whatever delicious topic at the time. Whatever is on the plate. Some people don't know. They wouldn't care. They're focused on their own. I guess they put it in the food analogy, yeah.

People more focus on what's on their plate than looking around and see what the banquet is. They can smell it. They can interpret it. But because they're not seeing it, they don't know what it is. Sure, they may get a little glimpse left and right out of the peripheral vision. what's on their neighbour's plate and try and suss at the flavour of that

but they won't know unless they ask unless they already know what it is but they can pass judgment nonetheless and I guess that's really a way I can put it that really naturally came out into a I can certainly feel that

I can feel that because you can get interpreters an outsider An outsider already has its own distasteful associations because you're not in, you're not in on the know. But you can also be seen as someone who is either direct opposite, someone who is an enemy, someone who doesn't, if they don't know,

then they cannot be trusted. It's an association fallacy, I guess it is. It'd be like, well, if you're not, separate, you separate all these tables, all these chairs, you place a couple of stools in there. They're not going to necessarily be able to know how to fit themselves back together. But then again, what the hell am I saying? Like sure, if I try to look baby-faced, people would still be suspicious of me regardless of their age, of whatever demographic suits them at the moment. And it's something that

that it frosts over. It can easily frost over in interactions. If you attend a party, you don't know anyone. You just view people as who they fit into, who they can be moulded as just by appearance's sake. Then of course you're going to come out as a Bing county. You're not going to know everyone in the party. You'll just know in what your judgments are of them.

And how you associate those judgments with what you know inside. That separates and that is something that I would like people to overcome that. I want people listening to start seeing that, seeing what time they passed a judgment, what time they assumed, what time they thought they knew something about another person that perhaps either they tried to get a drip-feed information to understand what that, or they didn't blatantly ask. I want people to see that and I want them to overcome.

I want them to do something they would normally never think about doing, to get over something. It's a... I just want to say something right now. I noticed this yesterday. And you know what this is? A piece of a Bible. Because yesterday I think someone tore up a Bible down the Rundle Street. This is what it's been on?

Whole Bible just... I'm not even kidding, a huge chunks. And this is a piece of it. And we'll read a quote for, I don't know, you put some, plug this at the end. There's no full quotes in this. Be strong and courageous because you will lead these people to inherit the land. I swore to their forefathers to give them. Be strong and very courageous.

Be careful to obey all the law my servants. Moses gave you. Do not turn away from it to the right or to the left. That you may be successful, wherever you go. Strangely fitting. I won't be able to apply that, not because it's a Bible quote, because it's sage advice. Advice you must take.

Advice you should live by. Don't place it above everything else, but it should be there. An undercurrent, a flow, beneath, between your thoughts. If you want to approach someone, go out and do it. Find out who they are. If you want to do something, but because you had an association that prevented you from doing that, do it anyway. know, you'll find out, be courageous. You're brave. Moxie is not given. It's developed. It's part of

your character. And we're all characters. Close us out, Darcy. Well, once again, I really do, I do want to say how grateful I am. We didn't get to review a lot of people. But the people we did, I'm happy that I actually got to talk to them. I didn't get to find out who they are, their lives, their dreams, their aspirations, but I got to talk to them. I've got a known name and a face. And that's something I'm sort of cursed with knowing a lot of remembering, remembering names and faces, never seen again, or I'll never find them.

Who were they going to be? Who are they going to be now? When I met them and I talked to them, that's good. I'm grateful. I'm grateful for the cameraman, Hamish, Sam. I'm grateful to James. I'm grateful to everyone I talk to. I'm grateful to my parents.

expect everyone else. And one last thing. Good night, Mrs. S, wherever you are.