The Jamie Kern Lima Show - How to Raise Your Vibration, Get What You Want & Live Your Best Life w/Bumble Founder Whitney Wolfe Herd Pt 3

Episode Date: April 8, 2025

Full Video Available on YouTube @JamieKernLimaOfficial. Are You Ready to believe in YOU?🙌 jamiekernlima.com 👈 Sign up for my FREE Inspirational Newsletter here and you’ll ALSO get special prompt questions to help you grow in your self-worth-building that pair with each episode!🩷  Make sure to click the “Follow” button for the show on your favorite podcast app, so you’ll be the first to get each episode!  ____ I’m so glad you’re here for this incredible part 3 episode with Founder and CEO of Bumble, Whitney Wolfe Herd, who shares stories and insights she’s never shared before, and she’s sharing them today, right here with you! If you’re ready feel more connected and alive and get tips, tools and insights on how to raise your vibration to get what you want and truly create your best life, this episode is going to change your life today! And whether you're joining me today for yourself or because someone that you love shared this episode with you, I want to welcome you to the Jamie Kern Lima Show podcast family. And remember this episode is not just for you and me. Please share it with every single person that you know because it can change their life too. Whitney Wolfe Herd is the founder and CEO of Bumble, a platform for dating, friendship, business, mentoring, and connection, launched in 2014. She’s also a co-founder of Tinder and has been named to nearly every major success list—from Forbes’ Richest Self-Made Women to the Time 100. Whitney is a profoundly deep, fascinating, and brilliant woman, a wife, a mama to two beautiful boys—and my dear friend. I’m so excited for you, me, and Whitney to experience this life-changing episode together! Episode Reflection Questions for YOU: Jamie writes prompt questions each episode to spark revelations in your self-worth journey and help you apply the tools and lessons from each episode into your real life right now. Please make sure you’re signed up for Jamie’s free inspirational newsletter jamiekernlima.com 👈 Get my new book WORTHY plus FREE Bonus gifts including a 95+ page Worthy Workbook and more at WorthyBook.com  For more resources related to today’s episode, click here https://jamiekernlima.com/show/ for the podcast episode page. Chapters: 0:00 Welcome to The Jamie Kern Lima Show  05:15 How to Make the First Move, in Love, Friendship & Mentorship 8:45 D*ck Pics and Unsolicited Lewd Pics 13:00 Keys to Making Friends as an Adult 17:07 What People Most Get Wrong, When Looking For Love Online 19:54 Keys to Finding a Mentor & What People Get Wrong About Mentorship 22:40 “I’m not a big executive coach gal; it’s not for me.” Whitney Shares Modalities of Therapy and Healing that Work For Her 23:30 Whitneys Exact Meditation Practice and How to Do It 29:55 What Whitney is Manifesting in her Life Right Now 34:40 Whitney Reveals her Vision for the Future of Bumble “we need to learn to love, love, again.” 37:00 Self-Love and Believing You Are Enough & Why We’re Attracted to People Who Hurt Us 40:15 When You think Something is the End, It Just Might Be the Beginning! It’s such an honor to share this podcast together with you. And please note: I am not a licensed therapist, and this podcast is NOT intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional. Click Here to Subscribe to the YouTube Channel Follow me here:  Instagram TikTok Facebook Website —  Sign up for my inspirational newsletter for YOU at: jamiekernlima.com  —  Looking for my books on Amazon? Here they are!  WORTHY Believe IT

If you're ready to feel more connected and alive and get tips, tools, and insights on how to raise your vibration and get what you want and truly create your best life, this episode is going to change your life today. I am so glad you're here for this incredible part three episode with my dear friend and now yours too, founder and CEO of Bumble, Whitney Wolf-Hird, who shares stories and insights she's never shared before. And she's sharing them with you today right here. Coming up in this episode. What are you afraid of?

What are you afraid of? I think when you actually look fear in the face and say, who are you afraid of? What are you afraid of? I think when you actually look fear in the face and say, who are you? Like, who are you, fear? What's your name? Why are you here? What are you up to? I think it will help people really understand

what's holding them back. You have gone out of your way, collectively, to help make the online world a safer place. So I want to talk about dick pics. Let's talk about dick pics because- Very classy. This is a real online issue.

I think I just heard a gasp in the studio. This is a real online issue. Women were just getting spammed on the internet by these unsolicited lewd images. If you took your clothes off in the streets, you're going to jail. You cannot do that, it's against the law. But for some reason, we're letting everybody do that online and send it to teenagers.

And so we started this kind of crusade to create a law. Wasn't there even like one senator or something that was like in trouble for it? Yeah. And it still passed unanimously? Yes. Yes, yes. Yeah.

What do people most get wrong when they're looking for romantic relationships? I think where people go wrong looking for love online is, I think what you just said is the most important thing for all of us. I think we have fallen out of love with falling in love. I think we've fallen out of love with ourselves. Yes, we have.

We are totally online, but we are so offline. We're so online. Technically online. So spiritually offline. We're so online, technically online, so spiritually offline, totally offline. Like we are unplugged while we are the most plugged in ever. I just see the love company being a force for helping people learn to love, love again. Like how do we love again?

Love ourselves, love our friends, like you said, you wanna manifest beautiful friendships. Like what is a friendship rooted in love? I believe we can only attract the kind of love that reflects the amount we love ourselves. We only attract the kind of friends we feel worthy of, we only attract, you know, that reflect the level that we love ourselves.

We are all interconnected. Yeah. We are all so much more connected and so much more loved than we realize. There are these secret languages of the universe that we can tap into. When you think it's the end, it might really just be at the beginning.

So never, never think something's over. It's just the beginning of a new thing. Thank you for having this beautiful forum for women to come together and learn and enhance and elevate. You really are the embodiment of worthiness. And I do have to give Jamie a big shout out. For those of you that don't know Jamie personally,

but feel like you know her, Jamie is the kindest person I've ever met. You are always sincerely, so genuinely kind to everyone and all around you, deeply, deeply authentic and kind and compassionate. And you want the best for people. Whether you're listening for yourself or because someone that you love shared this episode with you, I want to welcome you to to the Jamie Kern Lima Show podcast family. Remember, this episode is not just for you and me. Please share this with every single person you know, because it can change their life too.

Jamie Kern Lima is her name. Everybody needs Jamie Kern Lima in their life. Jamie Kern Lima. Jamie, you're so inspiring. Jamie Kern Lima. Whitney Wolf-Herd, welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima show. Thank you. I'm so happy to be here. We think of Bumble and this idea of make the first move, right? Make the first move. You have made so many first moves in your life, in so many areas of your life, whether it's going for an idea or putting your voice out there or with your companies. And, you know, how... What do you say to people listening right now

who are like, oh, I've never made the first move, whether it's like, to use the example of Bumble, going on and saying, I wanna make friends as an adult, or I think I want to find a romantic relationship, or I wanna ask someone to be my mentor for the first time, or I'm gonna go mentor someone else. Like, how can I use all the things I've gone through to help someone else make it through those things, right?

So what do you say to the person, though, who's like, oh, Whitney, I don't even know how to make the first move or to be confident enough to do that? I would ask the following question. What are you afraid of? What are you afraid of? And what's fascinating is most people will tell you they don't know what they're afraid of.

They're just afraid of whatever they're afraid of and they don't know what they are afraid of. They're just afraid. And I think when you actually look fear in the face and say, who are you? Like, who are you, fear? What's your name? Why are you here?

What are you up to? I think it will help people really understand what's holding them back. Because we should get to know the things we're afraid of. They are there for a reason, to teach us something. And they're there for us to communicate and to say, okay, well, I'm really afraid of getting rejected. I'm really afraid of getting rejected. Why? Have a conversation with it. Why? Why are you afraid of getting rejected? What's

going to happen? Well, if I get rejected, then I'm going to feel unloved the way I felt when I was a kid. I don't know, making this up. Okay, interesting. Well, next step, next step, next step. So I think it's like, instead of just going out there and me preaching to a bunch of people saying like, make the first move, just do it, just do it, just dive, dive, dive, dive, maybe get self, go inward, get a bit self-reflective. Yeah. And understand like, why don't you make the first move?

Is it because you were told culturally that you shouldn't make the first move? But why? Yes. And I think that is a really interesting moment for people in their lives. When they say, I'm stuck. I can't get anything to work. I'm not going to go move to that city I kind of want to move to.

Why not? Like, I think people need to really have conversations with themselves and understand what limitations they're putting on themselves that are holding them back. That's so good from, oh, I'm afraid of rejection, or, you know, afraid of what people might think, or, oh, my self-doubt or whatever. And then you're saying, like, inquire about that.

Yes. Wait, well, what is this rejection? or whatever. And then you're saying, like, inquire about that. Yes. Wait, well, what is this rejection? What does that mean to you? Work through that. And work through it, because then it probably shrinks right after. Exactly.

So good. And you get to know yourself better. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's what this is all about. All of us are just on a lifelong journey of knowing ourselves, right? And it's so funny.

I'm in the business of helping people know other people. And I do think our next horizon is really about love in three ways, self-love, romantic love, and love of community and friends. You know, with, I want to make sure I don't miss this part because I have a couple questions I'm definitely going to ask you, especially about making adult friends and about building connection and things like that.

But this, we talk about the greater good. You have gone out of your way collectively to help make the online world a safer place. So I want to talk about dick pics. Let's talk about dick pics because- Very classy. This is a real online issue. I think I just heard a gasp in the studio. This is a real online issue.

And I mean, it's wild in the sense of, well, first of all, I don't really understand it. But some people just think people just want this unsolicited. I understand the people that want them. Okay, I get that. But like all the unsolicited ones where people just think this is a good idea, don't get that. But it is a real thing. And it's a thing in schools right now.

It's a thing where kids' brains aren't even developed and they don't realize some of this stuff could be permanent. But anyhow, at the adult level, it's also a real issue. And you've done a lot of work. You've done a lot of work. You've gotten laws passed. You've really, I want to commend you for everything you've done to help reduce the harassment

of people getting unsolicited, unsolicited. But that's been a passion I think. Yeah. Well, and listen, it all stemmed from, again, we come back to intention. Yeah. The intention was just to create a kinder, safer space. Right?

You created like an AI tool that can detect them, right? We did, yeah. So our team built something called Private Detector. It was an AI tool. This was like, by the way, we've been using AI for so long. It's, you know, obviously it's progressed monumentally called Private Detector. It was an AI tool. This was like, by the way, we've been using AI for so long. Obviously, it's progressed monumentally in the last couple of years.

But we built a tool that essentially, when someone sends an image to someone, it essentially scans it for anything that could be unsolicited or lewd. So body parts, it is very sophisticated. So with like 99% accuracy, it will give you a heads up not to open the photo and it comes blurred so that we kind of deter you from looking at whatever that is. And what I realized was we can build all the tools in the world, but it still wasn't solving the fact that there was no

consequences here. Like I can block and report these people, but they're going to go to another platform. They're going to go to another app. And I'm not here to just make Bumble great. Like I want connecting to be healthier and safer and kinder across the board. And so we kept hearing in droves, just negative, negative feedback about how women were just getting spammed on the internet by these unsolicited lewd images.

So I called up a local legal, someone in my network that I'm very close to, that's very close to the legal kind of state of the world in Texas. And I said, is there a law for online indecent exposure? So indecent exposure is a law where you cannot go in the street right now on Coast Village Road and expose yourself. If you took your clothes off in the streets, you're going to jail.

You cannot do that, it's against the law. But for some reason, we're letting everybody do that online and send it to teenagers and en masse. Like, this does not feel right. Like, how are we not, you know, everybody is online all day long. How are we not creating more accountable spaces? And I'm not saying I don't believe in free speech. I'm not saying I don't believe in using your phone to navigate life the way you want. But come on, there's like decent behavior that we uphold people to in the real world. And that should be mirrored on the internet. And that's all.

And so we started this kind of crusade to create a law. And we got it passed, 100% unanimous yes vote in Texas. So it became a law. I signed it in with the governor. And then we passed it passed, 100% unanimous yes vote in Texas. So it became a law. I signed it in with the governor. Then we passed it in California. We've passed it in several other states. And then, you know, this year is big for a lot of policy work we're going to be putting out there into the world to create safer relationships, both on and offline.

Wasn't there even like one senator or something that was like in trouble for it? Yeah. And it still passed unanimously? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I mean, are we in a simulation perhaps?

Right? Progress. What are the best tips for making friends as an adult? I would say really embracing your true passions and your quirks. So if you're like super into making sourdough bread or like you've taken up knitting or you're like a super fanatic on mahjong or, you know, you've got like some obsession with reading fantasy books, like own those things.

Like those are your passions. Those are your hobbies. And there are other people out there that love the same things as you. You just have to like find them. But how can you find someone if you don't put a signal out? Like you can't be found if you don't put a flag up or use a flashlight or like put a beacon out there. And so I would say like shine your light bright and make a bumble for friends profile and like put your whole self out there. Like what are you into? What are you looking for? Like what kind of like random buddies are you looking for to do? Like you know do you want to go like to crystal shops together? Are you

obsessed with astrology? Like just own it. Like be authentically you and like your vibe, this is going to sound cheesy, but like it attracts your tribe. Like it really does. So like operate on your true frequency and like you will be met where you are. Like what you said earlier. For the person, actually, what do people most get wrong when they're looking for romantic relationships? I think where people go wrong looking for love online is... There's so much more coming up in this episode.

You are not going to want to miss it. But first, I wanted to share this with you. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams. You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life. And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy, How to Believe You Are Enough and Transform Your Life for You. If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you.

In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life-changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self-love, unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt, and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness, overcome limiting beliefs and imposter syndrome, achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them and so much more. Are you ready to unleash your greatness and step into the person you were born to be?

Imagine a life with zero self-doubt and unshakable self-worth. Get your copy of Worthy plus some amazing thank you bonus gifts for you at WorthyBook.com or the link in the show notes below. Imagine what you'd do if you fully believed in you. It's time to find out with Worthy. Imagine what would you do if you fully believed in you. My weekly free inspirational newsletter is packed with tips and tools to help you find out. It's called One on One with Jamie and it's delivered right to your inbox each Tuesday morning.

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And now more of this incredible conversation together. What do people most get wrong when they're looking for romantic relationships? I think where people go wrong looking for love online is they put out a version of them they think other people want to see. But they're so busy trying to like impress somebody else or do right for someone else that they're actually not being authentic to what they are. So it's this like outward validation that they're seeking

when in reality they should just build a profile that is deeply authentic to who they are. Because just like I said with friends, you never know what that special unique trait about you is. You might call it a quirk. You might consider it like your own unique weirdness, whatever someone says about themselves. But like that is what you're looking for in a match.

You want someone that gets you, understands you, and appreciates you. So I think how can you expect people to have success online if they're showing up not as themselves? Like you have to be you to attract what's good for you. It's so hard, I think, in this world where there's filters, and there's this, and there's that, and we want to get a bunch of people that like all the things, and then you're just wasting your

time because someone's gonna There's like a barrier of disconnection between you and the other person if it's not fully you then someone's interested But then it's not who you are and then it's a whole just like cycle cycle. That's right Mm-hmm, but you know what I'm talking about and this is this predates online Like did you ever get into a relationship where you felt like you needed to impress the person? And then you get into it movies Yeah, and you're like wait a second that TV show you're like and then you're three months into it You're like I am miserable yes, but that's because you were you weren't true to yourself yes again intention is everything

Authenticity so full real picture all the things Authenticity. So full real picture, all the things. Speak you. Like no filter. The right person will love you. All the quirks. And that's like. That's it, the right person will come.

The secret recipe. That's it. The shortcut. As like predictable as it sounds and as like cheesy as it sounds, like be yourself. Yeah, yeah. Be you.

It sounds that way but no, you know, most people are not. Yeah. Yeah. Be you. It sounds that way, but no, you know, most people are not. That's right. Right? So that's like, that's the big thing. What are the keys to finding a mentor? Oh, goodness. I mean, you know what I think is such a great spirit of like mentorship is Godmothers here in our community.

Like what Jennifer and Victoria have built with godmothers is so beautiful. This like, this spirit of like the fairy godmother that is there to have your back. So I think with mentors, you know, it's interesting. I would say don't be scared to put yourself out there. Who cares if the person doesn't respond to the email? Email twice, email three times.

And maybe they never respond, but you know what? You know what that mentor would have told you to do? That. So like by putting yourself out there and pushing yourself, like you actually kind of inadvertently mentor yourself by trying to find a mentor, you know? And I think mentorship is so important, but I also, here's the most important thing

I feel about mentors. I think people have mentorship wrong. I think people assume you can only learn from someone who has achieved more than you. My greatest mentors in my life have been the taxi cab driver that picked me up at the airport, the person that dropped off a package. I try to learn something from every single person I interact with. I'm telling you, it is one of the most profound changes you'll ever have happen to you in your life.

I'm sure you do the same, but if I could give one piece of advice to someone out there just getting started, learn from everyone, because they're the real people. They are humanity in the works. Now are they going to be able to teach you how to do a P&L? Maybe not, but that's not what life is about. Like we should be mentored on every level, humanity, kindness, graciousness, respect. Like that deserves mentorship as well, not just how to build a company. So I would say reframing mentorship is really important.

Today, this is a master class. Like, this is that so profound in terms of what you just said. And also, I want to highlight one thing, because this was so good, I almost jumped out of my seat, because so often, you know, we'll go, we'll email someone, oh, you know, hoping they might mentor us, or hoping there might be a connection. And then we feel like we don't hear back, and then we give up or we quit.

And what's so good about what you just said, this is so good, you guys, because then you email even if you email again, if you email a third time and you feel like, you know, ashamed of it or whatever, you're still not hearing back. I love what Whitney just said, which is, yeah, but email them again. And even again, because that's actually what they would tell you to do. If they were mentoring you, that would be their advice. Just keep going, you know, keep going for it. And I think that's so brilliant.

I want to ask you in your life, you just shared a little bit about how you, you know, learn from everybody, right? Because there's so many areas of our life where we can learn from and be inspired. And what role do mentors, but also executive coaches, therapists, all of it play in your life right now? Because everyone's listening, wanting some of what you got.

So what is your secret? I'm not a big executive coach, gal. Not for me. No shame if someone loves it. It's just not for me. I am completely on board the therapy train. I think it's, even if it's just an outlet to share your thoughts and just to have somewhere a safe space, I think it's great.

Journaling, I think, is also therapy. My most profound therapist, if you will, which is not a therapist, and I'm sorry for calling you this, Bob, but the person that taught me TM, Transcendental Meditation, Bob Roth, he has totally changed my life because he just taught me how to go in. How is that a practice you have now? Every day. Every day.

Can you describe that for the person hearing about TM or Transcendental Meditation? Will you describe what that is and how right now, what part of your day is that? It is probably the top five most important parts of my entire life. Wow. It's just 20 minutes in the morning

and 20 minutes in the afternoon. It's free. You don't need to do anything. You don't need your phone. You don't need an app. You don't need headphones. You don't need anything. You sit silently with your feet on the ground. Imagine that. You close your eyes and you repeat your mantra, which anybody can get a mantra.

It's free on the internet. You just get a meditation teacher for free online. And you sit silently and you essentially just calm your mind It's free on the internet. You just get a meditation teacher for free online. And you sit silently, and you essentially just calm your mind and go inward for 20 minutes. It's like the way I would explain it is, you know, I'm also big on all sorts of fitness, like physical fitness, mental fitness, right?

That's reading, lots of reading, lots of learning. It's spiritual fitness, and it's inner fitness. Like you have to work your insides the same way you work your outsides. And I think you have to work in, not just only work out. And I think that, you know, you've got to create space, that beautiful space to think and have clarity and just remember that whatever's going on in the day, it's okay.

Like you still can retreat to calm and to peace. How many times a day do you meditate? Twice. Twice every day? Yeah, 20 minutes. And do you ever miss it? Yeah, all the time. Yeah, you just get back on track.

You just get back on track. It's like someone that says they work out a lot. Yeah. How many days a week do you work out? Someone will say, oh, four to five. Well, is there ever a time where you don't work it at all? Yeah, of course. And then what do you do?

The next week I go back to the gym. You just make it part of your life. It's part of your ritual. It is free. You don't need a gym. You don't need running shoes. You don't need sweat bands. You don't need heart rate monitors.

You just sit there silently. You need something to sit on. That's it. That's it. That's it. Can you do it wrong? Nope. Nope. This is big because a lot of people are like,

I tried it and I just do it wrong. Okay, so this is my advice to the person that tried it and did it wrong. You didn't do it wrong. Just sit quietly for 20 minutes in your own thoughts. There's no right or wrong. It's not like you're supposed to start hearing like Elton John singing.

Like, you know, you don't like nothing happens. You just you hit, you know, actually a lot does happen. So because I've been so consistent with it, now when I meditate, I do go somewhere different. Like, I don't really feel my hands anymore. I like kind of leave my body a little bit, which is great because you kind of go to a different part of your brain. You kind of sink into a different like wave length.

But if you just stay exactly where you are thinking about whatever you're thinking, just let the thoughts carry on. It's like clouds in the sky, clouds in the sky. You just let them pass and just sit there. Give yourself space. Do you find when you're in Hawaii or you're in Aspen, does your meditations shift at all? Are they different or you're just, you're in Hawaii or you're in Aspen? Does your meditations shift at all?

Are they different or you're just, you're in and you transcend what's around you? Yeah, I don't think it matters where you are. Yeah. I think you just go to your inner place. Yeah. And that's it. This is so, okay, can I just tell you

this is so freaking great? Is it? I don't know what this is supposed to be. Oh my gosh, no. I don't know what we're supposed to be doing. It is already, okay, so a few more questions. I don't know what this is supposed to be. Oh my gosh. No. I don't know what we're supposed to be doing. It is already. Okay, so a few more questions. I don't want to take up time saying this.

I'll text you all about this later. Okay. What are three things you're manifesting right now? Hmm. I am manifesting. There's so much more coming up in this episode. You are not going to want to miss it, but first I wanted to share this with you. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams, you stay stuck at the

level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life. And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy, How to Believe You Are Enough and Transform Your Life for You. If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you. In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life-changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self-love, unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt, and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness, overcome limiting

beliefs and imposter syndrome, achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them and so much more. Are you ready to unleash your greatness and step into the person you were born to be? Imagine a life with zero self-doubt and unshakable self-worth. Get your copy of Worthy plus some amazing thank you bonus gifts for you at WorthyBook.com or the link in the show notes below. Imagine what you'd do if you fully believed in you. It's time to find out with Worthy. Imagine what would you do if you fully believed in you?

My weekly free inspirational newsletter is packed with tips and tools to help you find out. It's called One on One with Jamie and it's delivered right to your inbox each Tuesday morning. It's a love letter from me to you, from my soul to yours, and I hope it brings you the words and messages you need at just the right moment. Plus, when you're a part of my free inspirational newsletter community, you'll be the first to get behind-the-scenes content, inspirational messages, and be the first to learn about

upcoming events and more. It's the place to be, and I sure hope you'll join me there. So if you're not on the list yet, you can sign up for free at jamiekernlema.com or click the link in the show notes below. And here's to becoming unstoppable together. And now more of this incredible conversation together. What are three things you're manifesting right now?

Hmm, I am manifesting the love company, which is Bumble, but it's the next iteration of it. I am manifesting inner peace, like inner equanimity, just feeling at peace with whatever happens. And I don't mean like, oh, everything is great. Bad things are going to happen. All of us are going to have rough patches. Our kids are going to get boo-boos,

and, you know, pipes are going to break. Whatever is going to happen. But I really want to manifest just making sure that my attitude is everything and carrying that through with the team at Bumble and being like a steady, a steady, you know, a steady captain. And then the other thing I'm manifesting is, hmm, what else am I manifesting?

I'll think about that, I'll tell you at the end. else am I manifesting? Think about that. I'll tell you at the end. What are you manifesting? I need to know what you're manifesting. I am manifesting another baby. I love that. I am manifesting really, really, really great friendships. I love that.

And I am manifesting, I'm manifesting not getting distracted by what I can do. That's like a big shiny star rocket ship taking off. And I'm doing, Oprah said this best, Whitney, and it's just been this thing in my life. I feel like 2025, all year, this is what I'm going to be saying over and over, because my whole life I've told God what my dream is. Like, okay, now I want this. I'm going to make ACOSMETICS the biggest makeup company in the country, and then I'm going to change this many lives.

I'm going to donate this much money. Like, I was always telling him what my dream is. And I'll never forget on the show, she says, the key is not telling God what you want to necessarily manifest or make happen, but the key is asking God, what is the dream you have for me? Right? What is the dream you have for me?

And another way of saying that is, what was I created for? What am I here to do? And so I feel like in 2025, I'm manifesting turning down the volume on the parts of me that want to build more rocket ships because they'll help this many people that do that. And then it did it. And all of a sudden all my time's taken up. And also I'm burnt out, which is like my pattern. And I want to just figure out like how to get still, how to create space, how to ask God, what is the dream you have for me?

And trying to have enough space to actually hear the answer and then live the answer. That's beautiful. So that's so beautiful. I'm manifesting this year. I'll tell you one crazy story as it pertains to that, because I think what you just said is the most important thing for all of us. I promise this is so wild, but a couple days before I was faced with the concept of going back in as CEO, I woke up after my meditation, I was outside in nature, and I literally looked to the sky and I said,

in nature, and I literally looked to the sky and I said, in 2025, universe, God, whatever you want to call it, right? Source, use me for love and light. Use me for my highest good. I'm here to serve. Like, you tell me what I'm here to do, because I'm available. Like, I'm for hire, whatever it is. Not for a job, but you know what I mean. Like I want to be used for love and light as a vessel, as a vehicle. And I literally

looked up and I was like, please use me this year. Like tell me what to do. Just use me for love and light. That's all I ask. And then just a couple of days later, this situation where I was faced with, do I go back? Do I not go back? Unfolded and it's, oh, interesting. And I just immediately knew the answer intuitively. I didn't think that was my answer. I mean, two days prior, I wasn't thinking, oh, maybe I'll be the CEO again. That wasn't on my mind.

But that's that whole notion of don't tell the universe what you want, necessarily. You can. You can set a direction and a tone. And of course, it's great to have dreams and visions. But it's also nice to throw the ball back and say, OK, I've had plenty of manifesting. And I've achieved all sorts of things that I wanted to achieve. I think there's a higher purpose here. You tell me now. Use me.

Let me be of service. So I think what Oprah said is profound, and I love that that's the way you're living your 2025 out. You're saying, use me for love and light, and now you're calling Bumble the Love Company and manifesting its next iteration. What do you imagine that looks like? I think we have fallen out of love with Falling in Love.

I think we've fallen out of love with ourselves. Yes, we have. We are totally online, but we are so offline. We're so online, technically online, so spiritually offline, totally offline. Like we are unplugged while we are the most plugged in ever. It's this crazy, crazy, you know, comparison of two forces, right? And I just see the love company being a force for helping people learn to love, love again.

Like, how do we love again? Love ourselves, love our friends. Like you said, you want to manifest beautiful friendships. Like, what is a friendship rooted in love? Not in, you know, oh, well, this friend makes sense to me because the kids are the same age or whatever. Those are all wonderful things. But what is a love-based relationship?

And then what is the relationship we have with ourselves? Because I don't know how I'm supposed to put millions and millions of people online via a profile as hurt people looking to hurt other people. Hurt people hurting people is not the solution here. Yeah. Yeah. So I think that's my duty. Like I've got to go figure out how to do some version of this. And I don't have all the answers,

but I've got the compass and the direction and I feel like I'm marching in the right direction. Whitney, this is so huge. Why I've been so obsessed for years of studying self-worth because I always got it wrong. I always did all the things that build confidence, but deep down inside, I didn't think I was enough. I didn't actually love myself innately.

And when I wrote Worthy, when 260,000 women showed up live for the launch event, all the things, you look at the data, 80% of women don't believe they're enough, like right now as we're sitting here. And I am so excited about what you just shared, because I feel like the need for it, right? Cause you can have millions and millions and millions

of people and yes, of course, celebrating romantic relationships and connections and all the things. But also I think the biggest wide open space is us also actually learning to feel worthy ourselves. Learning to love ourselves, self love, not in the narcissistic sense as you shared earlier, as you were talking about earlier, but like actually believing we're enough. Cause I believe we can only attract the kind of love

that reflects the amount we love ourselves, right? For me, most of my life, I was attracted to dudes I knew. I was like, oh, they're a bad boy. I'm gonna try to, they were just gonna hurt me. But that felt familiar to me. You're like, oh, I deserve it though. I deserve it. That's what I need.

No, I'm not. That was what was familiar. I don't deserve the nice guy. Yeah. And so the thing I'm so excited about is like imagining whatever the, all of the offerings Bumble the Love Company is gonna have, but just helping heal humanity through love

and also through learning to love themselves and to build self-worth. That's huge, because we only attract the kind of friends we feel worthy of, we only attract, reflect the level that we love ourselves. And that's so exciting. Okay. Three rapid fire questions and we're done.

Okay. What is your favorite book of all time? Oh goodness, I Actually, honestly genuinely would put worthy up there. It's really important It's really important and when I think about my favorite books, you know, I it's a hard question to answer So I'll answer it in a different way. What's the book I've gifted the most? I'll answer that. I have gifted the book signs the most. I think I've gifted the book signs to hundreds of people. Yeah.

Because what it has taught me is that we are all interconnected. Yeah. We are all so much more connected and so much more loved than we realize. And what meets the eye is not always like the full picture. And there are these, to use her literal tagline on the front of the book, there are these secret languages of the universe

that we can tap into. And the reason why I love the book signs is life's hard. Yeah. Building businesses is not for the faint of heart. Motherhood is not for the faint of heart. Nothing worth doing in life is easy. And you've got to believe in something bigger, right? You've got to feel like the universe has your back.

And so I would say like, that's a book I've gifted a lot. And then one other that I would say has been really transformational as it pertains to business has been unreasonable hospitality. I could never really put my philosophy of how to treat people like onto paper because I always feel like I walked in here today and I said, that's my favorite song.

And you said, I know that's unreasonable hospitality, unreasonable thoughtfulness, unreasonable kindness. Like the quote is more true than anything I've ever heard. It's like people will truly forget what you said and what you did, but they'll never forget how you made them feel. And what more beautiful thing in life than to just leave someone feeling better

than you left them? Mm-hmm. You are leaving so many people feeling better than when they started this episode. Oh God, I hope so. Or they're terrified. What is your greatest life lesson learned so far? When you think it's the end, it might really just be the beginning.

So never think something's over. It's just the beginning of a new thing. I think that is really the best lesson. It's like, if you zoom out, you're looking at this, right? You're looking at this one little thing and you're like, oh gosh, just zoom out. Like zoom out. It's the best lesson. And you'll understand perspective is everything. Someone needs to hear that today. I know that for sure. Whitney, thank you so much. Thank you, Jamie.

I love you. I'm grateful you're here. I love you. And bless so many people today. Thank you for your friendship. Thank you for your leadership. Thank you for your championship of women and of connection. And I am so excited to see everything that is to come

with Bumble the Love Company. Let's go. You're the best, Jamie. Thank you for having this beautiful forum for women to come together and learn and enhance and elevate. You really are the embodiment of worthiness and amazing energy. And I'm just grateful to have you as a friend and as like a champion of all good things in the world.

And I do have to give Jamie a big shout out. For those of you that don't know Jamie personally, but feel like you know her, Jamie is the kindest person I've ever met. You are always sincerely so genuinely kind to everyone and all around you, deeply, deeply authentic and kind and compassionate. And you want the best for people. And I think that is a beautiful thing. That is probably the best life advice is just want the best for everyone around you.

And you do that. You are not a jealous person. You genuinely want to uplift others. And that is a beautiful thing. And it's given you all the success that you deserve. Mm, yes, because like you, meaning the vibration, right? Meet the vibration. Woo, thank you.

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