The Jamie Kern Lima Show - Kelsey Grammer Reveals All (Pt 2): Lessons on Love, Loss, Healing & Remembering

Episode Date: May 13, 2025

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Coming up, an incredible part two episode with Kelsey Grammer, where he shares things he's never shared before and reveals stories that have changed his life for the first time ever. These inspiring stories and incredible life-changing lessons just might change your life today too. Kelsey is a Golden Globe award-winning, Emmy Award-winning, Tony Award-winning, Screen Actors Guild Award-winning, People's Choice Award-winning actor, comedian and producer. He first gained fame for his role as Dr. Frasier Crane on the hit TV show Cheers, and later

as spin-off Frasier, making primetime television history, playing one of the longest-running roles for more than 20 years by a single actor. He is the founder of Faith American Brewing Company, a husband to his wife Kate, and the father of seven children. It was recently announced he'll be playing Beast in the much-anticipated Avengers Doomsday, and today we're actually seeing a deeply personal and intimate part of Kelsey in perhaps one of the most important and meaningful works of his life, Kelsey's brand new book where he explores love, loss, healing, and celebrating the memory of a life filled with joy.

And whether today you're listening for yourself or because someone that you love shared this episode with you, I want to welcome you to the Jamie Kern Lima Show podcast family. And if you're here right now, can you do me a quick favor? If you like the show and the guests that I bring you, if you could please hit the subscribe or follow button on the app that you're listening or watching on. It truly means the world to me. Thank you so much. And I want to remind you that this episode is not just for you and me.

Please share this with every single person you know because what you're about to hear could change your life and there's two. Also, every episode of the Jamie Kernley Mishow features a wide range of guests. I believe that you can't help heal humanity through love unless you understand the humans that make it up. I have friends who vote differently, love differently, and believe completely differently than me. I've gotten hate for giving them love, but I'll never stop doing that because I know why I'm here and it's to be a force for love. This world now more than ever desperately needs the force for love inside each of us. You can't help heal humanity through love if you only love the people who are just like

you and aren't truly open and curious about the humans who make up the collective humanity that I believe is possible for all of us to heal together. And with that, let's get this episode started. Welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima show. Oprah how have you defied the odds? Her show is unlike any I've ever done. A revelation. When you listen it feels like a hug, but your brain and your spirit and your heart is like wow.

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Jamie Kern Lima. Jamie, you're so inspiring. Jamie Kern Lima. On the topic of success leaves clues, right? Your perspective on the people that are maybe your opposition or don't believe in you or come against you. Some people would take that as like, oh, I'm never going to make it or they would take it as, you know, whatever, whatever. But do you think those things happen for you? Yes.

This is that radical forgiveness thing that I think plays into it. Kate turned me on more than I'd been aware of it. But I was always aware that I might get hanged all at once in a while, I get some bad advice from somebody and go, oh, God, I'm never going to do this, it's never going to happen. I'd sort of shoot myself down, but there was always that thing in me that goes like, get up, cut it out, get up and get on with it. And so wherever that comes from, maybe that's, but that's the kind of hairpin I am as well.

It's just the guy that says, OK, I'm going to show you something then. So God bless you. Thank you for messing with me. I also feel like so many of the things that the opposition that comes against us like at least I think in my journey so many rejections, so many no's, so many closed doors. I know in acting that's like a Tuesday. In entrepreneurship oh my gosh the number of no's and I feel like I, through all of them, got strong enough to carry the weight

of success because that also comes with a whole lot of stuff that, you know, it comes with a whole lot of other worries or problems or whatever. But I've always thought that like, okay, you know, it's happening for me. And I used to pray, I used to thank God for the open doors and for the closed doors and just trust, like trust that he'll block my value from people who aren't assigned to my destiny, you know? And like, anytime someone would just like, not believe in the company or think I don't have what it takes or whatever, I'd be like, okay, instead of being like, Oh, this is never going to happen for me. I'd be like, okay,

God's blocking my value from them because they're not supposed to be my investor. They're not supposed to be my partner. They're not supposed to go in that store right now, or whatever it might be. And I feel like that perspective, almost like the meaning we assign to it, can change. I like that expression. Can change everything.

Blocking my value. Yeah. So you praise your kids and profess your pride for each of them in this book, and you also say in case they don't know this, which is quite possible, they can read it here. Yeah. Tell me more. Well, that came from specific conversation. I had with one of my kids about you know what it's like to be my daughter and She actually had said at one point she said You know, I just always wanted to be known as something other than just your daughter and I said well you are you are known for that but and and I

your daughter and I said well you are you are known for that but and and I recognized in that a sort of a plea about one's own identity you know like I'm I'm this person and yes I bear your name but I want to be known for what I am and I get that that's that's okay I even applaud it. It's an interesting mix to be involved in a relationship with one who was gone before, who happens to be your father, who has a reputation. And a reputation can cut in several ways. But it doesn't need to eclipse the person. And maybe I didn't know what to say to her, but if she does know I'm proud of her then she can at least read it here.

It was really quite a specific say, you know, you'll be able to say, you'll be able to look at this in the writing go, oh, oh he does understand this was difficult, oh he does know that that's a challenge, oh and he is saying thank you for wanting to be in this business and doing the things that following in your footsteps came out of that idea that it can't be easy. It was just a nod to saying, I get it. I'm still your dad. I love you. And off you go.

You've still got to get pushed out of the nest and say, you're on your own anyway, and you've done a good job. Are you proud of all of your kids? Absolutely. pushed out of the nest and say, you're on your own anyway, and you've done a good job. Are you proud of all of your kids? Absolutely. Absolutely. I've had moments when I've thought, well, we all can shine a light on a few things

and say maybe you're going to empower yourself more if you don't allow this thing to keep giving you hiccups. Because we all stub our toes, and I've stubbed mine several times. But it's nice if you have a relationship with someone who has actually gathered some wisdom beforehand, to trust it. I used to say to another one of my children, I used to say all the time, I'd say, you don't always have to learn by experience.

You can learn by example Hmm. I said just think about it So I don't know if that's ever worked out, but I still think there's value in that Is so many people I think if they haven't maybe been exposed to this before they just think like oh if you're the kid of someone famous You just have it easy. Yeah, it's not the truth. Not the truth. No, no. I mean, some things might be easy. Maybe you grew up, you know, well cared for. Maybe it didn't. Maybe they're, you know, maybe they're self-absolved, you know, this self-involved, I was going to so and so's,

I was going to say a nastier word, but it was like, and that wasn't an easy ride. Maybe it was really a nightmare. You know, there's a lot of kids have been through stuff with big egos, people have been through a lot. I mean, because, you know, no matter how much success a certain person has had, there's going to be moments when that slides, I mean, unless you're maybe Paul McCartney. I just think everyone just adores him, because there's a reason.

But in so many cases, the bloom leaves the rose, whatever, and people are not so enchanted with what they do anymore. And that's a hard thing to slam into one day. And if they don't have real character, they can take it out on the people around them. And I've been tempted to do that. I mean, there have been moments when I thought why isn't this working out? And I do my best not to you know, visit my children with it, but

It may be that I'm not available a little bit sometimes when things aren't going so well. I'm not really sure I try I try to be but I think we It's foolish for us to judge what we think is privilege or someone's good fortune and not realize that maybe they deserve a little bit of good fortune in their lives. And I'm sure it came at quite a price sometimes. I think everybody gets there with their own nuance of damage. And that should be just respected. Everybody got here for a reason. Everybody has done well. Deserves it. What kind of dad would you say that they would say you are? Well I think

I think I think most of my kids would say you know that I gave it a good try. I think that's what they'd say. I think my of my kids would say, you know, I gave it a good try. I think that's what they'd say. I think my latest batch would probably say, my latest batch, my children with Kate. We have three. Faith, Gabe, and James. I think they would say, Dad's in it. Dad's in it with his whole heart.

And I'm mostly fun. They are scared of me, which is interesting. I'll blow my top once in a while, and that's pretty interesting to see a young person just go. But that's usually kind of what you need them to do in that moment. Something has to be suspended. I was given the gift of a great voice.

I don't have to go slam a door too hard or do anything else to get attention. I've got a voice that is arresting and that can usually stop people in their tracks and a young person sometimes needs to be. My older kids, my eldest, Spencer, when she was born, I remember looking at her, looking at her little best, and thinking, oh, she's her own person already. She kind of has something in mind.

So I'm not sure what Spence would say about that. I know we've been in and out of one another's lives, but there's a profound love there, and that's what I can rely on. There's a profound love there and that's what I can rely on. There's a profound love in the book. That's what I did it for. That's what I've done all this for. And so hopefully it will bear some fruit. There's a, you know, with parenting, it's interesting. I grew up with parents that worked so much

that I always thought, oh, I'm going to be there all the time for my kids. And now I work so much. Kelsey, there's days I would rather work than do anything else. And I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm like repeating this. And recently my daughter said to me, like, are you working again? And she's six. And I'm like, oh my gosh.

And so I feel like I feel like every one of us is on this journey of how do I grow and how do I become, you know, I guess the highest, Oprah would say the highest truest expression of ourselves. Right. And when we, you know, I think I bet you there's not a single parent listening that can ever be like, oh, I did it all perfect. No. You know what I mean? Delusional if you did. And I think too, if we do it all perfect, then we raise kids that, you know, can't handle anything. Well, that's a really interesting thing, yeah.

And now it's, I'm, this is as recent as, I flew home from Texas after the first time I actually celebrated the book with a group of other people Two nights ago and on the flight back. I thought I wonder what I wonder what it would be like to throw it all away now and And choose the most courageous life I've ever lived and just be with my children So that's it's still ongoing still there because I mean yeah, they say. Because I'm starting to be a beer company, I gotta go away a lot for that. And I don't like going away. But I feel I'm drawn to do this, I'm supposed to do that and make that happen.

But to live in true courage, I don't know, maybe it would just be, we're leaving L.A., we're gonna go do something else. I don't know what that might be, but it would be to experience this life with them as a constant. I don't know if it's the right life example though, either. I don't know if that would be the right thing to show them. So dad gave it all up for us, and then six years later they're gonna go, I'm out. But that's what I want them to do. They need to do that.

They need to find their thing. And they're already working on it. We shepherd them some, but also we're kind of just, we're there to help them have as safe a launch as possible. And also, what if, yeah, maybe they're out in however many years, but also what if, yeah maybe they're out in however many years, but also what if it's for you? And what if it's for you and Kate doing that? Yeah. Yeah. It's so wild you just said that because I have the same thoughts. You know, I do. I think

sometimes like I'll tell my husband like what if we just, you know, we'll just move here and like I'll just like be home and and and, and not miss any chuckle. Yeah, exactly. And I have those thoughts. He would be so happy if I did that because, you know, we both did like a hundred hour weeks forever. Now I'm still the one working this hard and he's, he's good. He, you know, runs our family office. He does, you know, he works and he does all the things, but he would be, I think his fear is that I work too much. So I think like he would actually be so happy, but I actually have the same

thoughts. I'm like, am I getting it wrong? Because also, I don't know if you ever struggle with this, but I struggle with this like, because I know if you have creativity in you and it's unexpressed, it can express itself in other things, in other ways that are not good. All the like it can. So it's like if, you know, if God put this in me and I'm supposed to be offering creatively, you're supposed to be right. But at the same time, but at the same time, I'm like, am I missing out on the things that actually matter, because also when is it enough? Which is actually a question I have for you too is, do you ever struggle with that?

Because you look at everything you've accomplished. And I've had people say that to me. They're like, oh, you've built this huge business. You've done this, you do that. These awards, that this, that. And then I ask myself, am I thinking I have to keep achieving to feel worthy? And so how do you reconcile that? It's interesting.

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The gifts are going away, but they're all free right now on WorthyBook.com. And now more of this incredible conversation together. Question I have for you too is, do you ever struggle with that? Because you look at everything you've accomplished I mean You know and and and and and I've had people say that to me. They're like, oh, you know, you've built this huge business You've been if you do that that these awards that this that and then I asked myself Am I like am I thinking I have to keep achieving to feel worthy?

Hmm. And so how do you reconcile that? It's interesting. The same battle is for me is, did you leave anything sort of in the background? Did you skip something? As we got just this set of time, whatever it is. And that was the only question that came with it. But why haven't we had the balls to go out and start a

music career? You know, because I love music, and that's the first thing that got me into this. Why did you step away from it? Why did you not just say, oh, I'm going to go be a composer now? So I've still got the still dancing in there, and I don't want to leave anything undone. So there is that other thing. But maybe that's when I started thinking, so why don't I write a song

with my kids? Why don't I do music with them? So I don't know. And would that be the courageous thing to do? I mean, maybe I should chuck all this and then go do, spend my life in the studio with the kids. I don't know. These things just crop up because it's, the do what is given unto you is just like, well, I've got something there that's, I still think, oh, maybe I should be doing that. I've written a bunch of songs

and maybe somebody should hear them. I don't know. I should have the true courage know, I don't know. I should have the true courage. But I've always talked myself out of it thinking it wasn't quite good enough. And there's that old bugaboo. With your music?

Yeah. Yeah. You know, maybe it's supposed to be sort of just a hobby. Yeah, I don't know. But it was the first thing it called to me when I was a kid. So that was the first thing. called to me when I was a kid. So that was the first thing. That was that surprises me because you it feels like on the outside that you've gone for everything else. Pretty much I have. Yeah, there's the one thing that maybe it's just too personal. I don't

know. There's still that part that doesn't like to be told it wasn't good enough. Yeah, I don't know. So we'll see. So that's the one thing. And then also the, do I go all in, scrap everything, and just be fully immersed in family? And then, yeah. That's so wild. I think our, well, yeah, it'd be neat to find that sort of family mission. That'd be kind of fun.

But I'm OK. I feel like I'm doing all right. There's still more to try, more to explore, and to cherish your children. I do cherish them. They're quite wonderful, even in moments when I think, how can I help them? I'm at a loss a lot of the time. How can I actually help them without doing damage or,

but I think of the, I'm thinking of the movie Patton now. George C. Scott standing in the middle of a, there's a battle scene and he says, war. Compared to all other human endeavors, shrinks to insignificance. All other human endeavors shrink to insignificance in the face of war. I thought, boy, that's certainly war is where we're looking at things. But there's something to be said about it, something to be said for that. And of course, war is Satan's invention. And we're born here.

We're born into, I mean I've learned this lately, we are born into a kind of warfare. And we have to fight for the good. It's a realm in which we are assigned to come here and fight for our identity, fight for our freedoms, fight for our faith. It's not supposed to be for the faint of heart, even though, you know, Jesus tells us, you know, the meek shall inherit the earth. It's a hostile environment sometimes. And just another one of those sermons I heard

where it said, you know, Jesus doesn't promise us an easy journey, just a safe landing. Yeah, I get it. Because it's, you know, you got to do your part too. Do you ever struggle with how much of your real life to share publicly when in your professional life you most often play different characters or you have a celebrity persona. Do you ever feel like you have to hide anything? Or do you feel more like this is who I am? Yeah.

And we should all be who we are? I don't tend to hide a lot, but there are certain things I won't just share with people because it's like too much information. But if I'm trying to impart like something that's honest, it has to be from me. It has to be the truth. You know, what I've observed, what I've thought about. I love the idea that if, and this took years to finally figure out, but lying is so uncomfortable. And once you start to lie, you have to remember it.

And I don't like having to be, what did I say exactly? So now I know that if I tell the truth in the moment, if anybody ever wants to call me up again, well, it was the truth, so it's going to be the same story. And so it's a great way of sort of discarding the misery of trying to cover your tracks. Yeah, and then you don't have to. So that somebody's like, oh, yeah, yeah, that's what you said 10 years ago.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because I'm honest. Writing truth in the book was very important to me, to make sure that every bit was true. And as I, as do people, you know, people do offer, you know, interrogatories to me about the book or a certain section or something. I'll say, oh, that reminds me of something that's a little bit different.

But then they'll say, yeah, that's what she said. Yeah. So I like, I like not having to cover up. Yeah. It's okay. It's freeing. Yeah. And the acting question is, it was always a great gift to know it was the place where

you didn't have to lie at all. Acting is, you know, the misconception being that actors are good liars. They aren't actually. They're only good if it sounds like they're telling the truth, which means they are telling the truth. Right. It's just with somebody else's mask. Right.

It was given you by a writer or given you by a great playwright or whatever. So you've got this veneer that allows you to tell the truth, the absolute truth to be completely uncovered because if you aren't, then it's going to feel like you're not doing a very good job. You know, with all this stuff about like who you are and being out there in the public and all this stuff you're really You've been maybe more so lately. I don't know but you've been sharing a lot of your views publicly you know like about faith and about Politics and everything else I saw at Mar-a-Lago like there's pictures everywhere. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we went down and there was it was a

fundraiser for dogs a fundraiser for dogs. A fundraiser for dogs. Yeah. Kimberly Guilfoyle was there, though, and she's, you know, she's sort of the the chair of it for this particular event. So we took the kids and we had a nice time. It was it was lovely. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I've been a conservative. I've been a conservative for a long time in in Hollywood. Yeah. You know, it's just my core values are basically been a conservative for a long time in Hollywood. Yeah.

You know, it's just my core values are basically, are live and let live. And I think that's what the conservative message is. And some people might disagree with me. But the other guys, lately, it tends to be, you will live as you're told. And that just closes out a town for me. Well, you're like you, maybe I have this wrong.

I'm just talking as a regular person on the outside. I don't know if it's just more lately, but yeah, I see you in the kind of in the press and online and stuff more active with politics. Yeah, there was a part of me that thought, maybe I'm supposed to do something in that world. Maybe that's coming up. Maybe, I mean, maybe I'm old enough now to kind of maybe

handle that and do it without too much ego and really try to do the world some good. Maybe that's the place that I'm being polled. I don't know. Do you feel that? I have in my past, but it's a big commitment. But you want to do the world some good, and you want to save people. And this is all about saving people in the end. And I think that might be a direction. I don't know. But, um. Do you think you'll run for office?

I don't know. It's circling back. I rejected it 20 years ago, and then I, maybe. Maybe. Maybe. We'll see. Maybe. So when you're at Mar-a-Lago, I think Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. We'll see. Maybe.

So when you're at Mar-a-Lago, I think you spoke out about your support of Donald Trump in his first election. Yeah, I did. Yeah. A lot of what Donald Trump was saying just aligned more with what I think about the direction a government should take, that it should be for the people. I do believe he means that. And so that's in demonstration, I've seen that that's what a lot of politicians say, but the people yell and scream about money and stuff like that tend to be politicians.

And I'm thinking, why are you so upset? What is it you're losing? Why are you a rich person in Congress? I have real issues about that. I think if you go to Washington rich, fine. But if you got rich being in Washington, you should be out. Adios. It was designed to be you go for one term as a congressman. One, some guy from the neighborhood goes for two years and comes back and some other guy goes. Or gal, whatever, whomever. And you don't stay there. And you go be a senator, great, go for six years. Maybe you're a little wiser, maybe a little bit older. The energy of Congress, of the House of Representatives is immediate immediate, in the moment,

and what people need right then. And the senators are meant to say, well, let's slow down a little bit, let's think about it. And maybe that's a good idea, maybe it isn't. Maybe we need to balance it with this. Okay, that made sense to me. You get to stay for one term. And George Washington stayed for two.

That was it, Executive Branch, a little guidance. Yeah, you can appoint judges for a lifetime, because that's what they're good at. OK, and they balance it in terms of squaring things with the originalist vision of what it is, and that's all for the people. And if you're there, but yeah, I walked into Washington DC recently for the dedication of the World War I monument.

And it's a beautiful, beautiful piece. It took them over a hundred years to do it, to get one there. And they've done other monuments for other wars that I was celebrating the sacrifice. But when I walked it, I took five minutes to walk from the hotel I was in to go over to where the presentation was being made. Three people in five minutes walked up to me and handed me a card and said, hi, I'm a lobbyist. I just thought, you do not belong here. I have some real issues about it.

I don't like it. I don't, whenever the car turns off and I'm standing still at a red light, I'm thinking, what congressman got this passed? What guy is making money on this? Because somebody got paid to do this. Because when I grew up, they said if your car stops and restarts all the time, you're just spending more fuel. So I thought, who conned them into thinking this is saving money? Why do we have 10% corn fuel in our gasoline? Who from the Corn Belt made some money on that?

So I look on big government as with a real jaunt as to why. Do you feel like if you went to Washington having already had success, you would be less likely to be swayed by anything? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think there's definitely an older man's game in Washington, DC that I think needs to be played well. Wisdom being the important asset that you would bring.

But if you're worried about, yeah, if there's something on the table, if there's a kickback coming, I mean, I just, we are finding out, of course, now, through a lot of people that there's some, there's some stuff been going on that isn't good. And I'm very glad that Donald Trump is there at this point Sort of engineering at least an uncovering of that

Whether or not we're gonna cover it all back up and go back to it. I Fear that that might happen, but I do I do fear that that's The end of the US I Don't want that to happen. In what way? We can't afford what we're doing. Nobody can be that corrupt and continue. We are not meant to.

If that's what we're doing with the money we're making, if that's what we're doing, and it's actually coming back to the government, it's actually feeding those guys, now, it's supposed coming back to the government. It's actually feeding those guys. Now, it's supposed to be selfless. Selfless and to volunteer to make sure we're saving the people.

Save the people of the United States, not Washington, DC. That's my two cents. When you talk about senators and you talk about how long people are in Washington, there's so much talk about, like, should a president ever be able to do more than two terms? Well, only FDR thought it was worth it. And everybody else just voluntarily just said no. Which too?

Because Washington set the precedent. George Washington was pretty much the greatest American who ever lived. There's still no question about it. And it was always about when he gave up his sword, when he resigned his commission in the military, when he said, no, the leader of the country should not be a member of the military, that's inappropriate.

These things that came from his sense of conviction were passed on to us as a country, and that was a great, great gift. When George Washington too, like having such absolute power, but then saying, oh, I'm actually going to, this is what's best for the country for someone else to step in, not for someone to... Absolutely. Yeah. Fresh blood. Do you if... I have to ask you this because if I didn't ask you... This will be the thing everyone's thinking right now, so I'm just going to ask it to you.

It's just all over the news right now. But if Trump says that he wants a third term, would you support that? No. No. No. It's not what we do. Yeah. I was in shock.

I mean, I'm still in shock that Franklin Roosevelt was elected for a third term I guess it was a wartime thing. I don't know I thought that was really irresponsible Yeah, I still look at it. It's like what were you doing? What did you think about yourself that you thought that was something you should do? I still have questions for him I'd like to ask him one day. Maybe I will So when you say to you that you think that you support Donald Trump, obviously over half the country agrees with you. And do you feel like he's doing a good job in his? Yeah, actually I do.

I think what's so fascinating to me is when you walk into Washington or you're driving your car and it shuts off and starts or you're in Mar-a-Lago that you have the, I guess what you call them, whispers that you could do a good job in that role. Honestly, I don't know. When I was a little boy, I wanted to be the president. When I was a kid, I used to say to my mom, I want to grow up to be president. So I was taught, that's the kind of country we live in. Any kid can become president if they believe in it. And I still believe that's basically true. Like when we were talking earlier, I was talking about the American dream. The American dream is a given.

It's just there. What I don't like hearing from my politicians is it's over. The American dream's over. I said, well, how did we get to that place? How would you want to, why would you want to lower our expectations that much that you're now saying to me, well, we can't give you that, but what we can give you is we can make sure that somebody else's dream is smaller. I don't care for that.

You know, you're so convicted in, um, your beliefs and your values. You talk about this in Karen, which is out now. I love understanding also the humans that make up humanity. I think people are so scared right now to share how they feel or what they believe. I think for the past, I would say at least five to 10 years, teachers have been scared to share how they feel in the classroom. People have been scared that they're going to say the wrong thing or get something wrong or be accused of something that they totally didn't intend to do. And I think everyone's just walking around on eggshells.

And in the book, I really feel like we're with you and we're, and we understand you and understand your thoughts and what you believe. And you talk a lot about your values in there too. You know, you talk about, I think it was six months before Karen passed when you were with a girlfriend. Yeah. And you had an abortion. You had an abortion.

Yeah. And... Broke my heart. My heart is broken about it to this day. At the time, has your... has its impact on you changed over time or the meaning you see it as changed over time versus when you were 18? When I was 18, I just didn't think I had any rights.

I didn't think I had any right to say anything. And that was, you know, that's concurrent with a lot of the way people think a lot today. But if two people are involved in creating a child, then I think maybe two people should be involved in whether or not they're going to make that choice to take the life, to end it. Or to embrace it and say, okay, we're going to do this, we made this together. I think all things, the most important thing about connecting sexually with someone is to understand that you have consequences that you can either avoid or not avoid, but you need to know going in that you're making a decision that might actually have life-changing

consequences. And I think we should teaser. There was a great special on years ago that I saw. It was a documentary about three boys were sat in a room and they played recordings of the same thing that eight girls were seeing. And they just listened to them.

And the question was, who's the most attractive girl? And the three boys identified almost all. And there were, I think, two girls that were the most attractive girls to them. Those two girls were ovulating. No one could quite figure that out. But that's a very powerful thing about life and the way

this whole thing was designed. So a girl who was ready to be impregnated was to them sounded like the most attractive person. That's a power that a young man needs to be advised about to understand that you are you are in the dance as this energy that's responding to the imperative to procreate. That's saying, you want to procreate. If you don't want to, do not have sex. Now we've gone against that. We've gone against that a lot in terms of, you know, the society as we've played it out

these days, kids should have sex, you go out and have it. But there's a consequence there. And so I just think we should teach our boys that, well, maybe you should be responsible about it. You know, we don't, but it has changed a bit. Now it's, well, you know, let's just go take care of it. After the fact, rather than be a gentleman before the fact, which is either you don't

do certain things, you experiment with other things, you put on a condom, you behave like a gentleman, and you don't put yourself in that position. A lot of people don't seem to think that's worth teaching anymore, and I don't know why. Look, everybody's entitled to their way of thinking about it, but I just think, why would you make a series of choices that it has to end that way, when you know you can actually make better choices? I guess my advice would be to make better choices. Who wants to have to have that on their head?

Who actually goes through life thinking, oh, that's what I want to do? Do you still think about it, about when you were 18? Yeah, I wrote about it Yeah, you chose I would never ask you but you just it's in the book. Yeah. No, I wrote about I mean it's it's it's I'm sitting there and that it came from Karen. It was we were sitting there and I was I was writing about being in Gordon's hospital room and then Can't convince that you have to take you have to take care of something. You need to clean something up, purge something. She said, leave us together with Gordon for now, and go back to New York with Jill.

Wow. It's all in there. So you revisited it for that reason. Yeah. Yeah. And you're very clear how you feel about it in the book. It's been on my mind. It's been on my heart. It's been on my heart.

It's out of my heart for a long time. Yeah. For you to talk about your own experience with it, how it's impacted you emotionally, how you feel now today. I have friends that are very pro-choice and friends that are very pro-life. And they have, many of them have had abortions. And I watch now, I'm 47, and I've been in conversations where they've been in therapy about it and dealing with it in very different ways.

And sometimes the way you might feel about it in one phase of life changes into another phase of life. And why I wanted to bring it up is, this isn't something people talk about. So when I think about the number of people that are gonna be listening or watching right now that have had this experience as well, another phase of life and, and why I wanted to bring it up is this isn't something people talk about. So when I think about the number of people that are going to be listening or watching right now that have had this experience as well, and maybe they've never told anybody, not even their partner, nobody, but they're dealing with it internally.

I just want to call this out because I think that the journey that the reader is going to go on in your book, I think yes, it's this honoring of a joy and light that is your sister Karen. It's your own journey to where you're at now with it and with your relationship with her in your life. But it's also the reader's journey and their own personal life. It is my hope that when people read what I've written and exposed and uncovered about my own life, I wanted to actually comfort any woman, any mother who's lost a child, anyone who's lost a child. Everybody that's been through what we're talking about here has experienced a loss.

Whether or not they want to acknowledge it or fight it or they're angry about it or angry that someone would say, you know, I don't look down my nose at anybody that's had an abortion. I don't. I feel sad about it for people. Where before I used to think, well, yeah, of course you have the right to do whatever you want to do with your body. I do believe that. The consequences of another body being stopped from living is always, you know, consequence of war, warfare, abortion. They all ask the same question. Was that, did I do the right thing?

And I think a lot of people struggle with it, and my heart goes out to them. I mean, this is not a condemnation book either. It's not a grief book. It's also not a condemnation book. We are left with it sometimes. We wrestle with it as a society. And I wouldn't give as much of a chance at all if we weren't wrestling with it. I haven't talked about this.

The moment I went with Jill, this was some time ago, of course, there were four guys sitting in there. Nobody was happy. No guy was happy there. And then one of the girls came out who had just finished her procedure, and she sort of hopped out and said, well, that's taken care of. And it was just, there was like a collective moment of what seemed like deep sadness

between these four young men who were all on a journey that they didn't mean to be on. You know, and nobody feels good about ending a life. I don't think they do. That's where I come from. The consequence of what we do to ourselves, we haunt ourselves with these ideas that maybe my action took my sister's life, that was horrible. I did go through that for a while, and I dismissed it.

Because like I said in the book, I said, God doesn't do it tit for tat that way. It doesn't actually work that way. Only man would think of that. And that's the enemy. Always out there, too. And you've got to remember that the enemy is present to invade our thoughts, to invade our lives,

to kill our minds with doubt and fear. And you mentioned so much fear going on. I'm reading a book right now, Power of Positive Thinking, Norman Vincent Peale, published in 51, 52, something like that. And there's a whole, I just came upon a section where it said, the primary thing right now is to keep people in fear. 1950 whatever. It's been going on for a long time.

This is the warfare that we're born into, fear. And fear is the mind killer. Fear is the soul killer. That's how you get in there. That's how I go again. I wanna call something out you just said too, because I wondered this when I read the book and I wasn't gonna ask you this, you know, but I wondered.

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And so you sharing that a little bit about this and I guess you talk a little bit about it, but our humanness wants to think that if something bad happened to us in our life, it's our fault, or it's because we did something and now this is karma, or we did something and now God's punishing us. And when you just mentioned that, that having an abortion at age 18 and six months later, this tragedy happens with the loss of your sister's life. And so when did you have those thoughts like, Oh, is this because of what

I did? Was that like, was that instantly? Yeah. You said God is not tit for tat. No, no, that's the other guy is. This is the way way life goes for me I see these things that that Twilight Zone thing where the guy is walking along he's died he goes to the pearly gates and he's got his dog with him and He says uh, is this it? You know and st. Peter's just yeah. Yeah, come on in. It's my dog and come he says St. Peter says, yeah, yeah, come on in. Said, my dog can come. He says, no. Oh, well then.

Oh, that's okay then. I think I'll just keep walking a bit. So he keeps walking. He just takes his dog with him and comes along another set of gates. He says, what's this? He says, St. Peter says, welcome. Really, I can come on in and run a dog too? He says, yeah, of course. He. Really, I can come in and run dog, too?

And he says, yeah, of course. He said, well, a fellow down the road. So he was St. Peter's. He said, I couldn't bring my dog. And he said, oh, that's the other place. Yeah, that's the other guy, doesn't that? Isn't it wild that it's everywhere now, whether you're a politician or, I mean,

I have friends call me all the time or people reaching out online for advice because, you know, they're a lawyer, they didn't want a public profile ever, they're a doctor, they didn't want a public profile, but now they're, they, everything's online and then they get reviews on these sites and they don't even know who's writing those reviews. And then it's just like everything now. I almost feel like you and I feel like you can barely like if you do anything at all It's gonna come with so much criticism in 2025 and I feel like you know I think about growing up when someone was mad about something they wrote a letter and maybe someone saw that letter

It's like, you know Do you remember like even um, you know, there would be food critics and they had you know built trust for decades with their craft to write a review of a restaurant and now it's sort of like Everyone is you know, it's different. There's a there's a guy there was a There was a critic John Simon was his name He wrote he began writing maybe in the mid-70s and through maybe 2000, and he was so mean, personally mean to people, actors that he didn't like. He'd just call them fat or, you know, you're disgusting.

And it became entertaining to see what nastiness he would conjure up in his next review. But it became stylish to write that way. He set a new kind of style that maybe was born out of the 70s, maybe was born out of what was going on in the 80s, I don't really know what happened. But it became the norm, it became the norm to be mean to people. And I thought that's, it was such a wrong turn, I think.

And I do sort of put it at his feet. I mean, you know, theater critics are known for being sort of, you know, no turn unstoned. You know, that was sort of one of their things. Right. Right. No turn unstoned. But to do it charmingly, the British are a little bit better about doing it charmingly. This guy was directly personal and nasty.

And I thought, boy boy that really changed things to dial back on one thing About a year and a half ago. Somebody said if you were president, what would you do differently? What would you want to do? That's a I said I would ask that we become a nation of good manners again Hmm. I just think we need to treat each other better speak better to one another honorifically respect each other whether we speak better to one another, honorifically, respect each other, whether we come from different sides, and just reinstate mannerly behavior, even in our kids, you know, shoes off the couch, you know.

My wife always points out, she says, she watches Disney shows where the kids jump up and down on a bed with their shoes on. I'm thinking, yeah, you're right. That's awful. How did we let that happen? But it's like there was a whole generation. It was sort of broken into this idea that you just treat everything you have with disrespect. But if you respect nothing, you certainly won't respect

yourself. Somehow this thing has happened, and I feel like even more so in the past couple years now that so much is online, where you're vilified if you're around someone who believes different than you do or votes different or loves different or I, you know, identifies different, whatever it might be. And it's like, people just get and I just feel like what makes me and, and, and now I have, you know, I have five families I've adopted. It's a whole long story, but you know,

there's times where people can't talk about politics or Thanksgiving will end. And it's interesting that, you know, I just feel like if we have a shot at healing humanity through love, you can't do that if you don't understand the humans that make it up. And if you only spend time around people who believe what you believe, how can you ever help heal humanity? And one of the things I'm most proud of just in my life, in my family, on this show is just really extending not only the good manners, but just love, actual love. Whether someone believes what you believe or don't or any of that, because it's's like how else are we gonna ever?

Love them for the opposition. Yeah Yeah, it's it. Well, I'll circle back to the book I talk about that thing there was a restaurant nearby where one of the places I live that said hate is not welcome here I thought well You just you just said people you don't welcome hate, but you've written it all over your restaurant. How about love is invited? Love is welcome here instead of this hate thing. And I thought, well, okay, whatever your reason is.

But if you're in the thrall of hatred, if you are in its charming way, you will never do anything but pave yourself the road to destruction Hate will kill you all the data proves this it's like if you go around looking for what's wrong and everyone else You're also so much more likely to only see what's wrong in yourself and that is not very fun because I'll speak for myself There's a lot wrong with me So like it's so but but it's so contagious where you can sit with somebody, even if, whether you totally agree on everything or you don't, whatever, and you just see the beauty in them,

it's like you're so much more likely to see the beauty in yourself. And when you see God in them, just all of it, it's sort of like the secret to, it's a secret to success in many ways, or at least to a lot more happiness in life, you know? It's not very fun to, and like, I just feel so bad for people right now that spend all their time, like, attacking everyone online, because it's like, that's just such a, you know, energies can be so contagious.

Can't be a nice way to live. Yeah, not a very nice way to live. Today, what brings you the most joy? Kids. Kate. That's kind of it. That's it. Maybe that's why I said living in true courage would be just

to live my life with them. I have to live my life, too, though. You've got to do one or the other. Put the mask on yourself first before you put it on the kid. Yeah. Seeing you both walk in, though, both you and Kate, you and I are meeting for the first time. I'm off on another track all of a sudden.

Kirsty Alley, when I was going to do my first appearance on The Tonight Show, Kirsty Alley said, oh, just go on and play a character. Just go, just make up something and just have fun And I and I thought Okay, I get and she was kind of like that. She was like she was always sort of entertaining Kirsty was You know that keep a lot of hats in the air and says you can't can't spot you, you know She was such a wonderful person. That's so funny. But when she said I thought myself

I don't think I have the energy to be able to do that I think I just have to be able to be honest. So that's what I've always been. I've been as honest as I can be. Once in a while I watch an appearance and think, oh well, did I do that right? It doesn't really matter because I didn't do it, I didn't disassemble at least. You know, I didn't have to cover myself in any way. So it's easier. If there's some specific question I'm not comfortable with, I won't answer it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then you're okay. Okay, that was it.

I'm sorry. It feels like freedom when you're yourself and so many people wonder. This is just my theory on this and there is data that backs this up. But there's so many people that wonder why they feel lonely or why they feel disconnected or why they feel all these things. But yet, so many of, we're people pleasers or we show up as our representative or the person we think we need to be to ace this thing

or sit in the boardroom or wear the lab coat or whatever it might be. And it's like all the data says when we show up as our representative, it's not who you fully, truly are. It's impossible to have a true connection, you know, with another person in real life versus when you're just like this, you know, because how can you be loved if you're your representative?

Like how can you feel that true, I guess back to the quantum entanglement, you know, like the essence exchange, right? Like the exchange of essence and then you have that connection. What are they falling in love with if you're misrepresenting who you are? If you're playing out something you think is more attractive. We all try to be attractive, I get that, but what are you offering? Is it a sham? So you don't really want it to be.

But I think what's interesting is there's a willingness now to open up to the idea that yeah, you represent who you are and if you have a conservative bent, you're okay. That seems to be circulating more now than ever before. And that's kind of a nice thing. I get so angry about this, but you know, so, so, because I just feel, Kelsey, I feel like the quickest way to dull ourselves down is to not be open and not be so curious

and to not want to understand. And by the way, this is just my opinion, but anyone in Hollywood who wants to make money on their film and wants all the things, I feel like, I'll just, I'll just speak for myself. I feel like by the time speak for myself. I feel like by the time I made it on QVC where I was able to share our products with, I mean, QVC broadcast live to a hundred million homes, I felt like what came with me to that moment was all of

my experience of understanding all different kinds of people because that's who my customer is. That's who's watching. It's every type of person, whether they're Republican or Democrat, whether they're, you know, whatever, their background. And like, I remember, I remember praying before my first airing and I remember thinking like, what's coming with me is my five families. And by the way, they're very divided politically. They have so many different experiences. My days waitressing

tables and I feel like our steps are ordered in life. I felt like by the time I got my one shot on QVC I felt like I knew who was at home because I felt like I had had enough life experience to understand whether she felt this way or that way. Like I felt like I was able to understand to the best of my ability at that point all kinds of women that were gonna buy this product. And so it's like, when I think about Hollywood or any profession, I would want to understand and have a team made up of different kinds of people, even if in the past they don't bring on you know conservative leaning or whatever

It's like if you're gonna understand your audience watching this movie and you're gonna like you want to understand humans You want to like have that insight whether you're a writer a director a producer And I would never I would never close the door on another person's gifts or talents Because I think they might not agree with me on something. That's just, that's pathetic. Yeah, well when you produce and when you do things, do you bring on people no matter their political views, no matter their, yeah. Doesn't even cross my mind.

Yeah, yeah. That's a, if someone, if someone has exposed themselves as being a narrow minded person, I might find that unattractive and say, I'd rather work with somebody else. But that's a whole different thing. That's a very specific thing. OK, something exciting that was just announced,

that you're playing Beast in Avengers Doomsday. Can you tell us just about that? And how long are you in makeup? Oh, well. And just the whole thing? They do it differently now. I mean, when I did Beast 20 years ago. Yeah. I had it there's a three and a half hours to get into it. Yeah. And I'd sit around a long time you know sort of like

this I watched golf whatever and finally I'd get called to set and they were thrown flying you know burning cars across the the set of the scene. It was a lot of fun but I love the character. I love his, he is a stalwart, upright, serious-minded, decent man. And that's what I love about him. I think of him as being the Martin Luther King of the mutants.

He's just got a dignity and a dream, and is willing to fight for it. But slow to action in terms of fighting. He will always find every way he can not to have to fight. And then when it's the last possible response, then it's swift and severe, give no court or expect none. And I like that about him. I feel like it's who I am.

And so when I got the chance to play Beast the first time, I thought, wow, this is really, I love this guy. And so I want to play. I've always wanted to play him again. We did a cameo appearance in the Marvels about, I guess it came out almost two years ago now. And the response was pretty big, pretty positive, and like, oh my god, it's Beast. You know, they had the younger guy come on and play Beast for a couple,

and I was a little crestfallen over that. I thought, oh gee whiz. But I'm really looking forward to it, because I think he's a man of real stature. And that's what I intend to bring to him, of ethical conduct. He's a man who studies good and does his best to live by that. And I like that. You know what's so interesting, just about our conversation to me, is I've watched you tear up talking about your sister, your wife, Kate, your kids,

and then just now about Beast, about how much you care about that role. I was not expecting this. I'm watching your whole eyes change right now. Yeah. I like him. It's always a,'s a it's a great thing to be able to play someone you like. You know, it's cool. I

think he's a he's a standout character. That's probably why fans reacted so exciting that you're doing the role because like it's so clear. Yeah, he's he's he's the guy who's the guy who's the guy who won't working for you. It's the guy you'd want to be in the position he's in. What does it mean to you? You know,

goodness is the key to life. Love is the way. Love is the way. Yeah. For someone listening right now, who's like, oh, is the book, Karen, for me? What would you say to them? Yes, I would say, you will discover yourself again, I think, because I think the things

I learned as a boy are pretty universal, and you will discover a magnificent young woman that you wish you'd known, but now you do. Yeah. And what a journey to discover yourself again. Also. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. I'm glad I came.

I didn't even know if you'd laugh that I got you cocktail onions because of what's in the book. I love cocktail onions. And you opened them and you're already eating them. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely perfect. That is a first on the Jamie Curren Lima show. That is a first.

Very cool. I did read the book aloud. I've recorded it now. Kate actually said, I said, honey, are you going to read the book? And she said, I'm really excited to read it as soon as you record it. I think that's the way she's going to enjoy it. But I realized as I read it that you'll fill in more blanks if you don't listen to me reading it. I don't want to influence people not to, but I'd really like them to read it as well as maybe listen to it, because you're going to have a more personalized journey with me out

of the way than the recording will give you. Oh, interesting. I hate to say that about myself, but I really think the words are, they just are so, so, words are so interesting that they'll work inside your head. And when I say them, I've sort of forced you to think of them a certain way. Interesting. Yeah, so I would recommend doing both. Doing both, yeah. A lot of people love that. They'll have the book and they'll listen to the audio while they're reading it. And they feel like it just like is a whole visceral experience. There's a chemistry that happens with you and the written word. Yeah, it's just deeply personal.

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