The Jamie Kern Lima Show - Melinda French Gates Reveals All (Pt 2): Life-Changing Lessons on Igniting Your Courage, Hearing Your Intuition & Taking Your Power Back

Starting point is 00:00:00 You describe how your inner voice has had faded. You say, in the decade or so before my marriage fell apart, therapy made it possible for you to respond to betrayals in your marriage without betraying yourself in return. It is hard, right? Really hard. And it's hard for everyone involved, including the kids. I felt like we had agreed on our values as a couple going into the marriage, but I got to a point

Starting point is 00:00:31 where I didn't feel like I could be fully integrated and live those values in the marriage because there comes a point at which to be true to yourself, you have to do what's right, even though you may not want to. ["Denny's Theme Song"] Melinda, Melinda French Gates, how are you? Can I hug you? Of course.

Starting point is 00:01:01 I've been to Denny's many times with my kids. Have you been to Denny's? Yes, been a long time, but when they were little, they loved Denny's many times with my kids. Have you been to Denny's? Yes, for a long time. Yeah. But when they were little, they loved Denny's. Did they really? Oh yeah, the pancakes. The pancakes?

Starting point is 00:01:10 Yeah. Coming up in this incredible part two episode with Melinda French Gates, she's opening up like never before. You started having dreams of a crumbling foundation. I had this dream that I was on a cliff and my ex-husband Bill and the kids were also on the edge of the cliff, but my part of the cliff crumbled away

Starting point is 00:01:31 and I was dropping down into a pit and they were still on the edge of this cliff together. And I knew, oh, this means I need to separate and do something else. I need to figure this out and I'm gonna be alone in figuring this out. And sharing life-changing lessons on igniting your courage.

Starting point is 00:01:52 Panic attacks. So many of us have them, and a lot of us think we're alone in them, or we don't share them. I think more people have them than we realize. I had read about them, and I remember being skeptical, like like is that a real thing like what is that you know I've been anxious before but but when you

Starting point is 00:02:11 have one. It is it's so terrifying yeah, just terrifying at least for me the whole world falls away and you are just by yourself and just literally that like deer in the headlights like you can't sweaty palms can't think your heart is racing. And so I think they're really important to talk about because we can also help one another coach one another through them find your body just stops you dead in your tracks as this is

Starting point is 00:02:39 not right and you know it. Yeah, do you have them now trusting your face. and you know it. Yeah. Do you have them now? Trusting your faith. There were times I sort of moved away from faith. There's a beautiful, at the end of the musical Les Miserables, they say to love another person is to see the face of God. How do you reconcile that and practice faith

Starting point is 00:03:04 and also be so passionate about some of the things you believe so strongly in that maybe some people in a particular religion don't? And so talk about it in congruency, right? And I had to really then reckon with my faith. And I just realized, wow, I need to actually unlearn some of these things because I can't square the circle. Do you know for sure God exists? Hearing your intuition. So you have to trust.

Starting point is 00:03:33 Trust yourself. You have to trust that something's moving through you. And taking your power back. I certainly have had times in my life where I didn't think I was worthy. I would sit at the front of the table and think, am I worthy to be here and worthy to be the one at the head of the table asking the questions, making the decisions about resources?

Starting point is 00:03:57 I know there were times where people were rolling their eyes, like, you know, okay, that question she asked, that one wasn't a very good one, right? And I had to learn that no my voice mattered and sometimes the question I asked turned out to be exactly the right question. I am so excited for you for me for women everywhere right now because this conversation is just that incredible I'm literally jumping out of my chair right now. Melinda French Gates is a philanthropist, businesswoman, and global advocate for women and girls. She's the founder of Pivotal Ventures, focused on accelerating social progress by

Starting point is 00:04:40 removing barriers that hold people back. She also co-founded the Gates Foundation alongside her former husband, Bill Gates. Melinda's brand new book, The Next Day, Transitions, Change, and Moving Forward is out now. Make sure you pick up your copy right now. It is so good. And whether today you're listening for yourself or because someone that you love shared this episode with you

Starting point is 00:05:07 I want to welcome you to the Jamie Kermema show podcast family Thank you so much for being here. And can you take two seconds and do me a favor? Please hit the subscribe or follow button on the app that you're listening or watching on Thank you so much It truly means so much to me and the team that works so hard to bring you this show. Also, this episode, it's not just for you and me. Please share this with every single person that you know,

Starting point is 00:05:34 because what you're about to hear can truly impact and change your life and theirs. Jamie Kern Lima is her name. Everybody needs Jamie Kern Lima in their life. Jamie Kern Lima is her name. Everybody needs Jamie Kern Lima in their life. Jamie Kern Lima. Jamie, you're so inspiring. Jamie Kern Lima. One of my favorite parts of the next day was I felt like I was right by your side in some ways in your childhood, even seeing how you were raised.

Starting point is 00:06:06 I used to type on a typewriter, and you talk about the 15-pound typewriter that you were gifted. You talk about your parents. You talk about being raised Catholic. And so I'm curious now today, how would you say the role of faith? What's that role of faith in your life right now? How has it evolved? It's fundamental in my life still. And I will certainly say there were times I sort of moved away from faith,

Starting point is 00:06:36 but then I always thank goodness came back to it. Like one of them was in college, right? I actually tried several different faith traditions. I remember calling my mom and she was just like, oh, you're doing what, you know? But then I came back to my roots. I'm less now about a structured religion because I realized that religions all have manmade rules

Starting point is 00:06:58 that are part of them, right? But they're all pointing to the same thing, which is a belief in spirituality or a goodness in the universe or maybe a God in some cases. And so for me, the spiritual piece is just absolutely grounding in my life. And I still, I go to church some, I'm still Catholic. I go to church some, not, not nearly as often as when I was growing up. But I'm also, maybe even more importantly in these two spiritual groups that are both non-denominational.

Starting point is 00:07:31 One I've been with for 20 years, another one's kind of the last five years. And we are reading the same things by spiritual teachers who taught for centuries sometimes, or somebody who's more current, and then we're sharing ideas about what we're learning through our faith and spirituality. I still go on a silent retreat once a year. In fact, I'll go in May with my group that I've been with for 20 years. We'll go on silent retreat. We met

Starting point is 00:08:00 yesterday to prepare for that, because it's a journey to go on silent retreat. I would say it's fundamental. And then the other thing I would say and you alluded to this in your own life, which is again, when you have doubt in those times, you need to lean in or lean forward. Just remembering there's something much bigger than you and there must be some reason you're here. You have no idea how you got placed in this position, right? I have no idea how I, you know, the sequence of events that led up

Starting point is 00:08:30 to other things in my life, it's just, it's hard to put it together. But when you can remember there's something much bigger and you can trust that, at least for me, I know I just, I sink into it and I just, I calm down. Yeah. Yeah. Do you ever, do you know for sure God exists? Yes, absolutely.

Starting point is 00:08:49 Absolutely. And there's a beautiful, at the end of the musical Les Miserables, they say to love another person is to see the face of God. And so I've also come to learn that God is also amongst us and in our relations and in our relationships too. And that I can look for that and you see where you make some of those connections.

Starting point is 00:09:19 But what I encourage people to do who've grown up, if you're lucky enough to have grown up in a faith tradition, because I do think that's lucky, it means you had some values and moral structure. It may not have all been right. It may have put some things on you you wish you didn't have. But I really encourage people to go back

Starting point is 00:09:35 and look at that faith and learn about it. Where did it come from? What are the origins? How did it come into being? Where did it change over time? Like I grew up in the Roman Catholic Church, but there's a Celtic version of the Catholic Church that is actually even closer to what I believe it turns out. And so just learning your own history so you can decide what you believe now, but practicing your faith is also really important. And so this is why I have these two groups there,

Starting point is 00:10:05 almost like accountability measures we are for one another. And then I also believe in faith in action. So part of the work I do in the world is putting what I believe to be true in my faith and all the things that I've learned through this unusual path I've had in life that, you know, I couldn't have added it all up. I put that faith into action and hopefully I'm creating positive change in the world. When you talk about organized religion, you know, for me, like my journey, I'm curious your thoughts on this is because you're very, you're very active with women's rights and politically all the things, all the things. I think some people are scared to even consider faith because they feel they might be judged

Starting point is 00:10:52 or they feel like, oh, well, you know, I believe these things, but then I don't know if I can practice a faith because I've always, as you said, the manmade rules. How do you sort of in your own spirit and soul go, okay, I feel this about my faith and there might be parts of it, whether they're in writing or not, that doesn't feel true to me. How do you navigate that?

Starting point is 00:11:17 Because I think a lot of people don't have faith in their life anymore, or they feel like there are so many rules that maybe feel incongruent at their soul. How do you reconcile that and practice faith and also be so passionate about some of the things you believe so strongly in that maybe some people in a particular religion don't?

Starting point is 00:11:36 Yeah, I love your word incongruent because we know certain things. Yes. We just, there's an inner knowing about things. And for me, I'll say, as I was traveling the world more and more, I was so lucky on behalf of the foundation, I got to travel. But you know, I was out in low-income countries,

Starting point is 00:11:55 three, sometimes four times a year, all over the world. And I was learning from these men and women in villages about their lives, and they would talk about children. And both the men and the women knew that when they could space the births of those children, they were better off. Or if they could limit, let's say they could limit and decide they were only gonna have three or four

Starting point is 00:12:16 instead of six or seven, they knew they could then feed their kids, their kids could go to school, they had a chance those kids of maybe growing up and living their dreams. And so, but, but if you, I would go in these villages and I would ask people, I literally was in a village. I remember one time and we all gathered under a tree. There were about 150 people. And I said, how many of you know somebody that a woman that has died in childbirth and the number of hands that went up was astounding.

Starting point is 00:12:47 And then I said, how many of you know of a baby that's been lost in childbirth and like even more hands went up? And this was a group where they knew about contraceptives but didn't have access. The world had backed away after the 1970s. We used to make sure that people had access to contraceptives, not for all the right reasons. But the world had backed away.

Starting point is 00:13:09 And as I learned the difference and that child was lost because the mom had them too close together. She didn't mean to. But all of a sudden, the next one came and boom, she lost that baby prematurely because the birth was too quick and her body wasn't ready. I started to realize, I believe in life. I believe in these children's lives,

Starting point is 00:13:32 the worthiness of them, the inherent beauty on the day they're born. But because of a manmade rule in the church that I'm in, the Catholic church, we're not allowing women to have access to contraceptives. And so talk about incongruency, right? And I had to really then reckon with my faith. I brought in some Notre Dame scholars to teach me.

Starting point is 00:13:56 I learned the history, how the Catholic Church had gotten there, why they'd gotten there. I started to learn from a very liberal Jesuit priest, listening to his lectures and his teachings and his books, Richard Rohr. And I just realized, wow, I need to actually unlearn some of these things because I can't square the circle.

Starting point is 00:14:16 I believe in the dignity of life, and yet we're losing more children because of this. We won't allow this tool to be given to women. And it really was almost a crisis of faith, but I was able to eventually reconcile them and say, no, no, no, this is what I believe and I know to be true. And I am going to speak the truth in the world. And that took, again, a lot of courage and a lot of leaning forward. But boy, did it feel right to give voice to what these families and these women were telling me.

Starting point is 00:14:47 Like if they, if I had the privilege of being there and them sharing their lives with me, I felt given my position at the foundation, I had a responsibility to go voice that and do something about it on the world stage. And it became, it animated my life. I love something you just said that we all have a knowing, like we all have a knowing and know the truth.

Starting point is 00:15:12 And, you know, I believe in God, I pray almost every day, all the things. And in my knowing, I just, Melinda, how I feel like how I live my life. And I want to share this because I think something you shared is so powerful. And just for anybody listening or watching us right now, who is maybe in that incongruent place, they're like, well, I kind of feel like I'm want, you know, to explore faith in my life, but I just can't get over that, that rule or that judgment or whatever.

Starting point is 00:15:42 It's that knowing it's asking yourself what feels true, like what feels true to me. And everyone can do that. It's free once we get good at it, right? And I remember, you know, I've gotten, you know, pushed back on my show for having people that, you know, that maybe love differently or vote differently or identify differently. And I just, every time I, how I feel is when I ask my knowing, my soul, I feel like if Jesus were here right now, he would love you no matter what, no matter how you identify, or how you vote, or how you, and that's what I believe, that's what I feel is true. So that's how I try to then live my life. And it's just, I want to share that because when you shared

Starting point is 00:16:20 that so beautifully, I think for me, I think that's the powerful thing for people to do. And a lot of people actually haven't considered that. Well, maybe I can approach faith in a way that I take the parts that feel true and feel right and feel like they're true for me. And every person can do that. Okay, I wanna talk about lessons and trusting yourself and your inner voice, which, you know, I could talk about, I could do, I could talk to you for 24 hours about the next day, which is why everyone needs to go pick it

Starting point is 00:16:51 up right now. It is so good. And I love what you shared earlier that in your life, you've been inspired by other people sharing their stories or saying this is how I got through this or this is what I did there. And you have friends that have shown up for you that way. In the next day, you describe how your inner voice has... had faded, and you say, uh, in the decade or so before my marriage fell apart, you write that therapy made it possible for you to respond to betrayals in your marriage without betraying yourself in return.

Starting point is 00:17:24 First of all, the only reason I even include a chapter about that time in my life in the book is because... We need to pause for a super brief break. And while we do, take a moment and share this episode with every single person that you know. Maybe they're going through a transition in their life in some way who this episode could inspire. Because this conversation can truly not just impact our lives, but theirs too.

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Starting point is 00:20:02 It's the place to be, and I sure hope you'll join me there. So if you're not on the list yet, you can sign up for free at JamieKernLima.com or click the link in the show notes below. And here's to becoming unstoppable together. And now more of this incredible conversation together. You say in the decade or so before my marriage fell apart, you write that therapy made it possible for you to respond to betrayals in your marriage without betraying yourself in return. First of all, the only reason I even include a chapter

Starting point is 00:20:42 about that time in my life in the book is because people know I went through a divorce and it would be incongruous if I didn't put it in and it would be disingenuous. And as you said, so many people unfortunately go through it and it is hard, right? Really hard and it's hard for everyone involved, including the kids, including and for sure the kids. So I included it for that reason. I again, to use your word

Starting point is 00:21:12 does or to use a different word, I didn't feel like I could. I got to a point in my marriage where I felt like I absolutely knew what my values were, I felt like we had agreed on our values as a couple going into the marriage. But I got to a point where I didn't feel like I could be fully integrated and live those values in the marriage because of some things going on around me that I had previously not been aware of. And there comes a point at which to be true to yourself, you have to do what's right, even though you may not want to, right?

Starting point is 00:21:49 Like, and I talk in the book that I was afraid to call my parents, like, you know, what are they gonna think? I feel terrible. You know, it's not what I dreamt of on the day I got married. But in the end of the day, like, I do think often about about I have for a long time, I write about in the book, my friend, John Nielsen, who died in his 30s. It's got me from a young age in my 30s, because that's how old I was when he

Starting point is 00:22:14 passed away to, to think about what do you want the last day to look like and work backwards in your life from there? Yeah. And for me, the last day is, you know, was I loved by my family and friends? Did they know I love them? Do I know that they love me? Did I do meaningful work in the world? And was I true to myself? Right? I mean, only we're going to answer for ourselves on the last day, not your children, not your spouse, not your mother, not your father. We are responsible for ourselves. And so if I couldn't be true to myself and be an integrated whole person, then I need to look at that relationship I was in

Starting point is 00:22:54 and say, it's not working anymore. I've done my best, I've given everything, I've done a lot of work on it, I've done a lot of forgiveness, but at some point only I answer for myself. With transitions that happen in our lives and especially the ones we weren't planning on, a lot of times we, you know, sometimes our default

Starting point is 00:23:16 will go to like, is something wrong with me? Or, you know, maybe someone just lost their job or the friendship group didn't invite them to the thing or just like things are changing, right? Over half of us will experience divorce. There's so many transitions. And I love the book where you talk about, you know, how many different transitions you've gone through. I'm going through one right now where my kids are now in school. And so like that's a like, wait, I haven't had a schedule. I haven't had to answer to anyone

Starting point is 00:23:44 else in the line, like just things like that, right? So we are all go through these different transitions. And sometimes when there are ones that we didn't foresee, we can feel like is something wrong with us or are we unworthy or, you know, did you ever experience that? I certainly have had times in my life where I didn't think I was worthy.

Starting point is 00:24:03 When I transitioned into being a co-founder of the foundation and but then I talk about in the book you know all of a sudden it was unbelievable that Warren Buffett was going to take the assets from Berkshire Hathaway and put them into our foundation like what an amazing gift. What an amazing gift. But it catapulted the foundation where we were growing it like this, but all of a sudden the growth in the foundation and the public exposure was exponential.

Starting point is 00:24:35 And so to sit then at the head of the table at the foundation where you're having a meeting with 30 people around the table, and there's some of the top scientists in tuberculosis, and the top scientists in malaria, and the top scientists in maternal mortality. I don't have a background in medicine. I don't have a background in global health.

Starting point is 00:24:58 My background is in computer science. And so I would sit at the front of the table and think, am I worthy to be here, and worthy to be would sit at the front of the table and think, am I worthy to be here and worthy to be the one at the head of the table, asking the questions, making the decisions about resources. And I had to really grow into that role. And I feel like there were time I don't feel I know there were times where people were rolling their eyes like, you know, okay, that question she asked that one wasn't a very good one, right. And I had to learn

Starting point is 00:25:29 that no, my voice mattered. And sometimes the question I asked turned out to be exactly the right question. And, and that would give me courage then the next time. I'll give you an example. We were out in Southeast Asia. My ex-husband and I were traveling with a group of scientists. We were going around and learning about tuberculosis in a village, in several villages. And we'd done these site visits.

Starting point is 00:25:58 They'd lasted more than half the day. We're kind of all about ready to go. But the woman, one of the women we talked to earlier was there, but no one was talking to her. And so I just went over and talked to her. The scientists were still talking. And then, and then they kind of started to come in. And then I said to her, you know, everybody's kind of ready to go. And I said to her, well, could you show me, we've talked to you about your experience with tuberculosis in your family and what's happened, but could you show me the actual pill packet?"

Starting point is 00:26:26 And you could see all the scientists just like kind of rolling their eyes, like what a, you know, why would you ask that question? Who cares what the pill packet looks like? She brought it out and everybody was shocked, including me, the number of pills in this pill packet. And we started looking at it and realizing that the manufacturer was putting all these placebo pills in the packaging in this particular country. And there really was only one pill in there per day that made a difference, not the other eight in the packet for that day too. So here's this poor

Starting point is 00:26:57 woman and her family. These are hard pills to take. You need food. And it literally got us advocating to the government saying, you've got the wrong manufacturer for this thing. Like, do you know what they're doing with your government money? So even while all the scientists sort of thought it was a not very great question, and I felt unworthy actually in the moment, it turned out to be exactly the right question.

Starting point is 00:27:19 So you have to trust. You have to trust that something's moving through you. Yeah, yeah. Which I think for so many people, maybe they're at the infancy of that journey or it'll be, you know, a lifelong journey. But that's beautiful. And that's why I say to people, you actually have to practice these transitions, right? Like when you're in them, I talk about in the book, don't rush from one thing if you can help it to the next, like stop and learn the lessons in between because that's where the beauty happens and the growth and eventually the resilience. And the more you go through one transition, the easier the next one will be and the next one and the next one. And you just, you have to trust.

Starting point is 00:28:06 There's a parable called the parable of the trapeze, where you know a trapeze artist is swinging on a trapeze and they've got both hands, but then they're gonna go and get the next bar. Well, as that other bar is coming towards them, and they're let going of this one, they have to trust that they've got the timing right to grab the next bar, right?

Starting point is 00:28:25 There's a huge piece of trust there as they're flying through the air. And it could be terrifying, it could be exhilarating, but the more they practice that, the more they're gonna land that move and the better off they're gonna be at it. I love that, I love that in the book. That was actually a big takeaway for me

Starting point is 00:28:42 because I will rush through things. And sometimes, you know, when something doesn't go our way, we do not want to feel that for long. You know what I mean? So we're like, oh, do the next thing. And you talk about that, the power of making sure you create enough space to learn the lesson or to heal or to process all of it. In the book, one thing that you share in the next day,

Starting point is 00:29:06 which I just have to say this, Melinda, I have written two books, and anytime I am on someone's show and they actually read the book, and they actually, like, I'm so grateful, and I just wanna say this, because it's so important, you know, that the book is out right now,

Starting point is 00:29:23 and everyone can go get their copy. Thank you. And on both audio and also I love doing both at the same time, reading the physical copy and listening. You know, I love both because I feel like I'm able to just take everything in. One of the things that you share in the book so vulnerably is about panic attacks. And so many of us have them,

Starting point is 00:29:46 and a lot of us think we're alone in them, or we don't share them. You talk about, I think, first in 2006 with the hot air balloon ride, and then I think it was your 20th wedding anniversary. I think more people have them than we realize. I had read about them, and I remember being skeptical, like, is that a real thing?

Starting point is 00:30:06 Like, what is that, you know? I've been anxious before, but when you have one, it is, at least for me, the whole world falls away, and you are just by yourself, and just literally that, like, deer in the headlights. Like, you can't, sweaty palms, can't think, your heart is racing. And so I think they're really important to talk about because we can also help one another and coach one another through them. So one of my, my youngest daughter, one of her friends had one,

Starting point is 00:30:37 we were going to get on a plane situation and I was able to coach her through it. And it felt good for her and for me at the time. And then I had an adult female friend who had one in the last six months and called me. And thank God she called me. Like I could hear it in her voice and she didn't even quite know what was happening, but I could ask her what are the circumstances? What was being asked of you?

Starting point is 00:31:03 What were you thinking you were gonna do? And I could see that the person that was calling her to pull her to do something was doing something for their own interests, not hers. And every single thing in her body was telling her not to do it, but she felt guilt. She felt reasons that she should go. Like that person was quite good at manipulating her, right?

Starting point is 00:31:24 And so I was able to talk her down enough that she could calm herself. We could talk later. She didn't end up going and doing the thing the person asked her to do and thank God she did not. Do you think that when we have a panic attacks, our body telling us like something's not right or something's incongruent?

Starting point is 00:31:43 And I think it's been giving you a lot more signals before it gets to the attack. And we just keep not listening to them. We just keep pushing them down and acting like they're not there or not tuning to them. And finally, your body just stops you dead in your tracks and says, this is not right. And you know it. Yeah. Do you have them now or when's the last one? I have not had one recently, not in the last four years. Mm-hmm, yeah. I haven't, so I had my first one actually on my honeymoon. And I'm like, what is this trying to tell me?

Starting point is 00:32:14 Although what's funny is we wrote the business plan for our company on our honeymoon. So I'm like, maybe I was like about to enter a whole, I don't know what it was, but that was my first time ever. And I couldn't even, I was similar to you, where you. Right. Of course, I knew what they were, but I didn't understand. And then when you have when you have one, oh, my gosh, for me, I felt like I was going to die. Yes. Like, it's so scary. It's so terrifying. Yeah, just terrifying. And I think that's why we need to not only talk about them and give people tools, but we need

Starting point is 00:32:45 to say when it's happened to us, because I think people look out and say, Oh, well, it couldn't have happened to her or him. You know, they're so confident. No, they can happen to anybody. And again, it has to do with are you living that, you know, are you being in touch with your body and the messages it's giving you? Are you living a fully integrated life? Well, you talk about to that we too, that we can have signs coming

Starting point is 00:33:07 from us from all different areas. And page 77 of the next day, page 77, I told you, oh my gosh, I studied every word. It's so good, it's so good. Congratulations. You can probably sense my excitement because when I get excited, it's when I know something's gonna really matter

Starting point is 00:33:24 and when it's gonna impact so many people, but especially women. So page 77 of the next day you share, you talk about the dreams you started having. You say an article had come out suggesting your ex-husband not only went against the marriage, but also your values. And you started having dreams of a crumbling foundation. Can you share about those dreams?

Starting point is 00:33:48 Cause a lot of people wonder, are they seeing a sign or is it just a coincidence or? For me, not for everybody. Cause I know some people that say they don't dream or they dream very little, but for me, I have a very rich dream life and have for a long time and have tried to understand my dream. Some dreams will take me years to understand. But if they're recurring, I know I need to pay

Starting point is 00:34:14 attention to them. Anyway, this dream, as I say in the book, doesn't really take Freud to figure it out. Which was, you know, I after those articles, the thing things had come out publicly, I had this dream that I was on a cliff and my ex-husband Bill and the kids were also on the edge of the cliff, but my part of the cliff crumbled away and I was dropping down into a pit and they were still on the edge of this cliff together and they were safe. So I wasn't worried about my children, but I knew when I woke up oh this means I need to separate and do something else I need to figure this out and I'm gonna be alone in figuring this out. This conversation

Starting point is 00:34:55 is so incredible made it into more than one part and if you are ready to hear your intuition and inner voice and learn how to finally trust it you are not gonna want to miss this incredible final part three of this conversation with Melinda French Gates. Coming up in the next episode of the Jamie Kern Lima show. Remember this episode's not just for you and me. Please share this with every single person that you know because it can impact and change their life too.

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The Jamie Kern Lima Show - Melinda French Gates Reveals All (Pt 2): Life-Changing Lessons on Igniting Your Courage, Hearing Your Intuition & Taking Your Power Back

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