The Jamie Kern Lima Show - Monica Lewinsky Reveals All: Life-Changing Lessons on Reclaiming Your Story, Your Power & Your Life! It’s Never Too Late!

Episode Date: March 10, 2026

You have the power to reclaim your story, to reclaim the narrative of who you truly are and to reclaim your life! And today we’re talking about RECLAIMING with my guest and friend, Monica Lewinsky. If you’ve ever felt like your past, maybe a past mistake, a bad decision, an embarrassing failure or something painful that’s happened to you in your past is holding you back, or defining who you are…maybe that past version of yourself that others knew you for has been lingering over you and keeping you stuck from stepping into the next most beautiful, powerful version of yourself, today’s episode is for you, and I am SO excited for this! We can learn so much from each others stories, and when we share powerful conversations like the one we’re having today, together, it can help us feel less alone and more enough, in this one miraculous life! Monica Lewinsky is the host of the wildly successful podcast called RECLAIMING, make sure you check that out right away, it’s SO good! She’s also a producer, social and anti-bullying activist, global public speaker, and a contributing editor to Vanity Fair. Her focus is on storytelling that moves the conversation forward – around shame, reclaiming identities, and justice for women. She’s also the Executive Producer of The Twisted Tale of Amanda Knox out now on Hulu. Monica authored the legendary essay “Shame and Survival” for Vanity Fair in which she re-examined her personal experiences at the center of a political, legal and global media firestorm connected to the impeachment of President Clinton and challenged the often-misogynistic culture of shame that continues to cannibalize the powerless. Monica’s TED talk on “The Price of Shame,” has been viewed over 22 million times. Monica holds a Master’s degree from the London School of Economics. She’s also smart, incredibly witty, maybe the best curator of Instagram content that will make you laugh out loud daily…she’s a loving aunt, competitive Mahjong player, and I’m so honored to say a loving friend. I’m so excited to share this amazing conversation with you! Are You Ready to believe in YOU?🙌 jamiekernlima.com 👈 Sign up for my FREE Inspirational Newsletter and get ready for your self-worth to soar!🩷 Also, please make sure to take 2 seconds and click the “Follow” button right here on this page to follow me and the podcast, I’m so grateful and thank you SO much! ___ And whether you're joining me today for yourself or because someone that you love shared this episode with you, I want to welcome you to the Jamie Kern Lima Show podcast family. And remember this episode is not just for you and me. Please share it with every single person that you know because it can change their life too. Follow Monica here: https://www.instagram.com/monica_lewinsky/ Watch Reclaiming With Monica Lewinsky here: https://www.youtube.com/@ReclaimingMonicaLewinsky ____ Chapters: 0:00 Welcome to The Jamie Kern Lima Show 13:50 You Can Reclaim Your Power, Your Story & Your Life! 25:35 It’s Never Too Late To Reclaim Your Life 50:20 You Are Worthy & Stronger Than Shame! 1:03:00 Healing Your Life It’s such an honor to share this podcast together with you. And please note: I am not a licensed therapist, and this podcast is NOT intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional. Click ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to Subscribe to the YouTube Channel Follow me here:  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ —  Sign up for my inspirational newsletter for YOU at:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ jamiekernlima.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  —  Looking for my books on Amazon? Here they are!  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WORTHY⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Believe IT⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

You fell in love with your boss. Yours just happened to be the president of the United States and the most powerful man in the world. And married. And married. So I think you need to own that. That became one of the most public vilifications and collected public shamings of just about any woman in our history. Yeah. I mean, the scale, the scale of the press, you instantly became a household name.

I remember waking up and I lived in the Watergate apartment complex. newspapers down the entire hallway and seeing my name there for something that was awful and destructive to so many people personally watching myself be torn apart. And I already had self-esteem issues. Like I wouldn't have been in this situation if I didn't have self-esteem issues. I think that it was also reflective of women, how we feel about women. You know, the same way that there were women tied to a post and burned at a stake and called a witch. Yes. And so those things have always been in our collective history.

Mm-hmm. You know, it was not a physical burning, but a public burning, but an emotional burning. It wasn't called the Clinton scandal. Yeah. It was called the Lewinsky scandal. It's your name everywhere. And my family's name. Your family's name.

You know, it's not even just me, but everybody who had my last name suffered. When someone has gone through so much, you've made it through to the point where you're helping others make it through. And that's what's so powerful. And that's what I'm most excited about today. You're in 40 rap songs or whatever the number is up to now. Over 125 rap songs. Don't get residuals. Oh, my gosh.

You're here. You have the power to reclaim your story, to reclaim the narrative of who you truly are, and to reclaim your life. And today we are talking about reclaiming with my guest and friend, Monica Lewinsky. If you've ever felt like your past, maybe a past mistake, a bad decision, an embarrassing failure,

or something painful that's happened to you in your past is holding you back or defining who you are. Maybe that past version of yourself that others knew you for has been lingering over you and keeping you stuck from stepping into the next most beautiful, powerful version of yourself. Today's episode is for you, and I am so excited for this. We can learn so much from each other's stories,

and when we share powerful conversations like the one we're having today, together, it can help us feel less alone and more enough in this one miraculous life. There were a number of moments where it just felt unbearable. I just did not think I could take another breath. The difficulty that I experienced in those first few years, in some ways paled in comparison to what happened later when I really felt confronted with no future. I had a real, I was naive. in thinking that I still sort of had this naive side to me that was like, oh, well, when people

get to know me, they get to really know me, then they'll like me, they'll understand. And that's not at all what happened. One aspect of a collective story is that the collective has to be ready to. Right. And you're up against this, yeah, just machine. Right. She called me and she was like, I. I had this, you know, like, realization that because you're in the collective consciousness,

you know, that when you shift your consciousness, you're shifting the consciousness of everybody whose mind you have been in. Shame, guilt, publicly, public humiliation, you know, it's an amazing trifecta, Jamie. What does that healing look like and what's worked? It was really when I started doing the energetic work and the resonance work. that started to shift everything. Really? And you've shared, you voted for her.

Yes, I did. Yes. I did. Monica Lewinsky is the host of the wildly successful podcast called Reclaiming. So make sure you check that out right away. It's so good. She's also a producer, social and anti-bullying activist, global public speaker, and a contributing editor to Vanity Fair.

Her focus is on storytelling that moves the conversation forward, around shame, reclaiming identities, and justice for women. She's also the executive producer of The Twisted Tale of Amanda Knox, out now on Hulu. Monica authored the legendary essay, Shame and Survival for Vanity Fair in which she reexamined her personal experiences at the center of a political, legal, and global media firestorm connected to the impeachment of President Clinton and challenged the often misogynistic culture of shame that continues to cannibalize the powerless. Monica's TED talk on the price of shame has been viewed by over 22 million people. Monica holds a master's degree from the London School

of Economics. She's also smart, incredibly witty, maybe the best curator of Instagram content that will make you literally laugh out loud daily. She's a loving aunt, competitive mahjong player, and I'm so honored to say a loving friend. And whether today you're listening for yourself or because someone that you love shared this episode with you. I want to welcome you to the Jamie Kern-Lemma show, podcast family. And if you're here right now, can you do me a favor?

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Jamie, you're so inspiring. Jamie Kern-Lima. Monica Lewinsky. Welcome to the Jamie Kern-Lima show. Oh, thanks, Jamie. I'm so excited you're here. I'm so happy to be here. Thank you for having me.

I've had the gift through mutual friends of us meeting and getting to know you. And my daughter's obsessed with making you. Dracutery boards. They are the best charcutory boards. I know. She could have her own store. Little Chef Wonder. Exactly.

And it was so fun when we went to the viewing party of Shark Tank. I'll never forget this moment because I've never seen her do this before. We're all in a group of friends watching the Shark Tank premiere that I did. And I look up and wonder sitting on your laugh. She's sitting on your laugh watching the whole show. I'm like, oh. So you are a magnet for love because she's discerning. She's discerning.

So I'm excited to just talk about. all things reclaiming because I think it's a universal experience if we're blessed enough to do it. And I want to say also off the top, congratulations on your show that is exploding. That is so successful, like right out of the gate. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you.

I'm grateful. Very grateful. Yeah. I actually, what was really nice was I got, for me, what could have been the highest from one of the young, I call her producer, even though that's probably not her technical title on a show I'm working on right now who sent me an email. And she said, I don't know how you've done it, but when I finish listening, I feel less alone. And so that is just, you know, I could not ask for anything more than for people to feel connected

to the conversation. I know, I'm sure you feel this way too because you have that in your conversations, that there's just, there's something I think when people show up and it's an authentic space and you have good intentions that people can feel it and they can plug in. Yeah. Well, it's how I feel when I have conversations with you, just off camera, which is why I was so excited when you shared, you're going to be launching your podcast. I'm like, oh, that's going to be good. That's going to be good. And I know it's like for every person, scary to launch something new and to put yourself out there, but I already knew. I already knew from what happened, like just from meeting you off camera and just having normal friend

talks. I was like, oh, this is going to be good. This is going to be good. So everyone listening, if you haven't checked out reclaiming, go check it out right now. Make sure, let me just do this for a friend right now. Make sure you follow it, subscribe, and leave a review and share it. Those are the most important things for a show. Okay. A lot of people don't know that. No, I didn't know that. I do that. Yes. I knew the subscribe one. So follow. Is follow and subscribe the same thing, though, basically? Depending. Yeah, you can subscribe on YouTube, follow on like Google, Spotify, all the apps. Yeah, yeah. And then half the time they change what they use as their word to do. So just, yeah, no, it's so good. And just congratulations. I know how much work it is. And you can feel it, you know, there's, there's, you feel when someone's just opening their heart and when their intention, their intention is there. And so I think you sharing that people are saying, I feel less alone. Yeah.

That's so beautiful because I feel like that's, you know. I mean, it is. I think one of the things, one of the reasons I thought it would be interesting to do a podcast was since I was a kid, I've kind of been someone for whatever reason that people felt like they could unburden themselves to, you know. And so whether it was before we even, you know, as kids would have language of like, I'm going to tell you a secret. I haven't told anybody. Or when I was the teenager of somebody saying some version of like, I don't know why I'm telling you this. But, you know, and I've had that throughout my life.

And so I hope it's because people feel, even from before 98, but after 98, just a level of compassion that I have for people. And I try to not be judgmental, even though I am sometimes secretly, but not, you know, not with people in the moment. I'm just out in the world. You're human. Like, oh, she shouldn't wear that. Yeah.

You get that sense on the show, too, that people will just like, ha, just exhale. But I feel like that is the biggest compliment when someone tells you, you know, Monica, I feel less alone listening to your show. Because at the end of the day, I feel like so many of us do feel alone. Or we feel like our setbacks or our failures or somehow means something is wrong with us and it must not happen to anyone else. Or our, you know, stories or, you know, in my case, I have so many people who maybe. are launching a business or an idea or something and they've had like, you know, all these setbacks and they've thought it or they're trying to write a book and no publisher will take it yet.

And then they think that they're alone in their experience because when they look online and social, everyone's highlight reels out there and they think it's just them. And so that's what fills my heart the most when people say that. They're like, oh my gosh, you got rejected that many times building it cosmetics and you still made it. I feel like I could do it to you, you know, or where they have these. sort of like revelations. And I think, you know, it's so funny. You know, you and I were talking so much off camera that I'm like, okay, we got to start recording. We're talking about reclaiming

and how many versions of that that we can take on. And so just off the top, today's conversation is all about reclaiming your own story and reclaiming who you are. And that is something every single one of us and our own hero's journey in this one beautiful life can connect with. And, you know, because our listeners of the show span all ages, Monica, just to give anyone who maybe might not know this piece of your story, I want to give them some context. And I want to touch on a season in your past when you lost your narrative and the shame that came with that. And then we're going to dive into how you're reclaiming it and how we all can do that in our own lives. In 1998, you were 22. I think about when I was 22. Oh my goodness. You're 22. You graduated college. You headed to Washington,

in D.C. for an internship where you fell in love with your boss, which I'll just say, that's easy to do, whether it's your professor, whether it's, I mean, yep. So you fell in love with your boss. Yours just happened to be the president of the United States and the most powerful man in the world. And married. And married. I think I need to own that. But. And the two of you began a romantic relationship that lasted two years. And the public revelation of that relationship, that turned. turned into the largest legal investigation and political and media firestorm and became one of the most public vilifications and collected public shamings of just about any woman in our history. Yeah.

I mean, the scale, the scale of the press, you instantly became a household name. Your life was completely turned upside down in a way that lasted decades and changed everything. You say you lost your anonymity, your future, your sense of self, your ability to trust yourself, and you almost lost your life. And you say that at 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. The fact that I've reclaimed my narrative and my voice is a miracle and still mind-boggling to me, because there were many moments where I wasn't really sure that I would survive. Yep. Can you share a little about that

from the person that's considering what you may have went through outside of just what they saw on the news? Yeah. Well, I think, you know, for me, I had the ironic luck of this story exploding at a at a point in time in our media history, right? So we had traditional news, traditional news on the radio, newspapers. We now also had, we'd had 24-hour news for 20 years with CNN, but in 1996 and 7 was when the competition started with Fox and MSNBC. And so what that meant was the 24-hour news was changing with competition, right? And then on top of that was the internet. And was this sort of new kind of Wild Wild West of, you know, we didn't have social media yet.

But everyday people were starting to find their voices through making comments. Yes. And every outlet had their own website. So it started to mean, you know, that sort of old adage of, you know, yesterday's news is tomorrow's fish paper. It was no longer true, right? it was going to be everywhere accessible to everybody forever. And it meant the story kind of ballooned and exploded faster to, so something that might have taken longer to reach people.

So those are sort of the unemotional pieces of the landscape. But for me personally, you know, I just, I remember, I knew the investigation was going to become public before most of the world did because there had been this FBI staying several days before. And I was threatened with 27 years in jail for having, it was like crimes. One of them I had never even heard of, suborning perjury. So I didn't even know what that was. You were 24. I was 24, right.

Yeah. And so. But in that. moment of I remember waking up and we need to pause for a super brief break and while we do take a moment to share this episode with every single person that you know who this could inspire because this conversation can truly be the words and inspiration they need to hear today to keep going to remember that they matter and to feel less alone and more enough more connected and more worthy in life you don't soar to the level

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to take charge of your narrative, build unwavering confidence and empower yourself to persevere on the path to your dreams, you can grab your free guide to stop overthinking and learn to trust yourself at jamie kurnlema.com slash resources or click the link in the show notes below. And now more of this incredible conversation together. I remember waking up and I lived in the Watergate apartment complex with my mom and opening the apartment door and because it was D.C., everybody, and this was the day of, you know, newspapers were still a thing. So it's like newspapers down the entire hallway and looking at the newspaper. and seeing my name there was not something I had ever contemplated at such a young age

and certainly not for something that was awful and destructive to so many people personally to how the country was being run to everybody in our country. I think that, you know, the impact was. was enormous. And to just, to watch myself, the person that I knew myself to be that I thought of how I was in the world to sort of watch maybe, it almost like, if you think of a bird with feathers, and you imagine pulling a feather off the bird. And each feather was like a piece of me. And instead, what was being replaced in those feathers were different feathers. that other people, how other people wanted to see me and to define me.

And so it was alongside all the shock and the fear of legal, the legal ramifications was just watching myself be torn apart. And I already had self-esteem issues. Like I wouldn't have been in this situation if I didn't have self-esteem issues. And so it was just very much. If it hadn't been for my friends and my family, I think over the course of that year, who continued to kind of remind me of my true self. I just, I would have been so lost, lost into the sea and the abyss of just the anger and the hate and the vitriol for me.

But also I think because of the story, I think because of the nature of the story and it being a collective story, I think that it was also reflective of women, how we feel about women, you know, the same way that there were women tied to a post and burned at a stake and called a witch. Yes. And so those things have always been in our collective history. You know, it was not a physical burning, but a public burning, but an emotional burning. I'm imagining what you're describing of like plucking out one feather at a time. It's like of who you are, like your identity or your, and then they're being replaced by all of this.

I feel like so many of us can relate to this if we've had something happen, you know, in elementary school that just almost, or as an adult where we did something. And then all of a sudden someone else is making a judgment on us and telling us who we are. And it's like, how do you? And I'm just imagining you at 24. Yeah. I'm like, I'm right there with you. I'm feeling you walk out.

of the door and seeing papers lined up with you on them. And you went from, you know, my mom always used to call me bright eye, bushy-tailed. I'm thinking that you went to this bright eye, like, you know, going to Washington, D.C., loving it, the whole thing. And you're now 24, and your name is everywhere. And in ways that you don't want. Yes. You know, I'm going to your cancer. Yes. Yes. And I think what something you just said that's really important. And I wish we've

made more progress than we have on this. But a lot of people don't realize this. It wasn't called the Clinton scandal. It was called the Lewinsky scandal. Right? And I just, I think about like, oh my gosh, in 2026, if you have a 22-year-old instance, turn, right, and having a relationship with the most powerful, not even that, any boss, let alone a boss twice their age, but it doesn't even, it's any boss, you know, it's so easy for people to think, oh yeah, of course, he would be fired or he would, you look back on what happened. And the public perception and what you went through, it was the Lewinsky scandal. It's your name everywhere.

And my family's name. Your family's name. You know, it's not even just me, but everybody who. who had my last name suffered in that way. And also, I think one of the things that I'm sure was an unintentional, what's the word I'm looking for? Fucking perimenopause. But I think that it was an unintentional consequence of having it called the Lewinsky

scandal also meant it wasn't going to go away for me because it cemented my name in people's memories more. And in that sense, that was as my main therapist is a trauma psychiatrist, and as she'll say, is this sort of the long echo of trauma, that this, you know, the long wake of the shadow of this scandal and how long it, like, I was carrying that mantle. And I still do in some ways, although it's changed. It's had it in large part to do with because it was called that,

because my name was then seared in people's minds or images, and it contributed to what I lost for so long. And I think, you know, one thing I want to ask everyone listening and watching us right now is just to take a moment and think about maybe a few things that have happened to in your past that maybe have chipped away at your own identity, whether you're even aware of it or not, because in our conversation, what I'm so excited to do, through what you have done and what you've gone through, and the woman that you continue to become and you're offering out into the world

is so powerful. And I think that's part of why I'm so excited for today, because there's many people that don't actually know or maybe haven't considered everything you've shouldered and everything almost like the way a phoenix rises from the ashes the impact you're having now in the world the impact you've had on so many others who have gone through bullying or gone through shaming the impact you're having now with your show and the thing I'm most excited about is every person at home actually going wait a minute i want to consider what parts of my own story have i maybe they're still stuck in that part where someone plucked their feathers out and put in their own and somebody told them something about who they are, put a label on them, or they've put, so often we put labels on

ourselves. We're like, oh, you know, I hear from so many women that are like, you know, I realize it wasn't just that I failed in my business or I failed in my, I thought I failed in my marriage or I thought I fell, but I actually think I'm a failure. And there's going to be so many people listening to this right now that through our conversation are going to realize, oh, wow, I plucked my own feathers out, put in new ones that are called failure or called not enough or called not lovable. And through our conversation, why I'm so excited about this, is because when someone has gone through so much and then they've, and I know it's a journey forever, I know all of us will continue to go through our stuff forever, but you've made it through

to the point where you're helping others make it through. And that's what's so powerful. And that's what I'm like most excited about today. And I feel like at this point, everyone can relate to being called something on the internet or having somebody from high school see their thing they posted on Facebook and not like it or make a side comment

or they get bad reviews on Yelp for their, you know, lawyer practice. We can all relate to just this like. Yeah, so many people are also, I think, about the divorce rate. And we think about how divorce is structured and just that the, um, what gets written in, in the divorce files,

you know, or the papers, the submissions, um, you know, that it's, vilifying character. Exactly.

Exactly. So I mean, it's, um, and that you are, you know, I've seen from both my own parents having gotten divorced and having lots of friends who've gotten divorced that it's,

you know, you're, you are losing an identity. And so I think it's when you are vulnerable to those kinds of things that you're more vulnerable, you're more vulnerable to having other people stick the feathers in. In the year after and then the year after that, can you take us through what that look like? Yeah. Because you're in 40 rap songs or whatever the number is up to now.

Over 125. 125 rap songs. Don't get residuals. Oh, my gosh. I wish. I mean, you talk about your family and how your parents showed up for you. And you say that they wouldn't let you even shower with the door closed because you, I think, shared that you. Those first few nights.

Didn't want to wake up the next morning. Can you take us through that? Yeah, I, you know, there were a number of moments throughout the investigation where it just felt unbearable. I just did not think I could take another breath. And when my parents saw those signs or felt their, you know, parental intuition of wanting to protect me, you know, It was really that the first night when, so the night of the FBI sting, I was in this hotel room and eventually waiting for my mom to come from New York. And by the time we finally got to leave, I had been there for, I think, 12, 13 hours.

And my mom didn't think we were going to be able to leave. And so she, but when we go. got home and a whole bunch of other things, but it was probably around 4 a.m. And I finally took a shower. And, you know, she just, I remember her sort of coming and saying, you know, Monka, you have to leave the door open. And I understood, and I understood why. And it was, you know, it was really painful for everybody in my family in different ways.

Because I think both, you know, to remember that even though Bill's family was also going through pain, they were in a very different world and a very different and had different experiences. And we're in a place that was very protected with a lot of support that was paid for. And they understood this world. Whereas we didn't. And so I come from a very smart family. But that doesn't mean you can understand how to navigate a different universe, you know, of politics, of media. And so it was, you know, I think for all of us, there was just a lot of fear, a lot of not knowing how to move forward. And I think for them of knowing how to protect me.

So, but it's interesting because I think, I think, I. think, you know, in the process of, you know, setting up the podcast, I think that there was this really looking back and seeing the kind of gestalt of my whole story in these last 27 years. And the difficulty that I experienced in those first few years, in some ways paled in comparison to what happened later when I really felt confronted with no future and no purpose. And so, you know, those first few years after 98, I leaned into trying to be a public person because I didn't know what else to do. And...

If you did the authorized... I didn't authorize. Well, that I did in part, you know, to... to pay legal fees. Pay your legal bills, right? And you didn't want to begin with. Right, exactly. And which no one offered to cover.

So, and, and, but I think it was also, you know, there were ways I had a real, I was naive in thinking that I still sort of had this naive side to me that was like, oh, well, when people get to know me. And they get to really know me. Then they'll like me. They'll understand. And that's not at all what happened. I think, you know, people did get to know me over time.

I did try to put my version of the story out there. But one aspect of, one aspect of a collective story is that the collective has to be ready to. Right. And you're up against. this just machine. Right. But it was interesting because after I went to graduate, so I went to graduate school in 2005 and on a couple, one of my trips back to London after I had coffee with a professor who had been my tutor there also, so what they call tutor. It's not the same, tutor in the UK is not the same as tutor in the U.S. But she was an amazing, Dr. Sandra Javlovich

and we had coffee. And she had taught the class. class on power and communities that I had taken. And she had said to me, she said, I can't do her Brazilian accent well, but she's resilient. And she had just said that there's no competing narrative that the people with power had written the narrative for me. And that there has to be a competing narrative for that to change. And I wasn't ready to hear that when she said it. but it lodged in my brain.

In the same way, I had another friend who had been, my friend Anne had been meditating on a pyramid in Mexico. And she called me and she was like, I had this, you know, like realization that because you're in the collective consciousness, you know, that when you shift your consciousness, you're shifting the consciousness of everybody whose mind you have been in. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no. that I'm like, you're crazy.

That's like, can't be the case. And, you know, and she told me, you know, something about the hundred monkey, I don't know, something or another. And it just, but I think those things sometimes, I think sometimes in our journeys, we hear things that are really important seeds that are planted. I was going to say that, yeah. Long before, long before they start to germinate. Yes.

So in that, in the first few years, then I'm going to get to when you're 39 and some of those moments, because I think our journey to healing, our journey to reclaiming is almost never linear. No. Those first few years, I mean, I feel like, again, every one of us has had different experiences where we're like, oh gosh, everyone at work knows this happened, or everyone at school, or my friend group, this, or this is so painful and all the things. Yours is on such a profound scale. In the first few years, could you leave the house and go to a restaurant?

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what it became was sort of in these larger moments of the story. So the Star Report coming out, and I came to know or to learn, okay, if this thing is going to happen, there are going to be people outside my apartment. So I started to try to. Yes. And started to try to plan. for things like that. And then there were moments where I didn't know something had happened, and then I'd get followed in the car in L.A. And separate from paparazzi, just how were regular

people, just regular people when you'd go to a restaurant or go to a coffee shop? You know, I was, I was, I consider myself lucky in the sense that maybe I could count on one or two hands, like the number of times somebody was actually really rude directly to my face. Did I notice tittering in restaurants and, you know, things like that? Sure. Did people, my friends and some of my family have to experience more of that in ways of people taking liberties of saying things to them? Yeah.

How did it impact your family when their name is, public. I'm just really lucky. I have an amazing family. I really do. I'm so grateful. I think that for the most part, everybody understood that no matter what they experienced, it wasn't going to be as bad as what I went through and what it felt like for me. And so I imagine there are a lot of conversations that have happened without me because they've tried to protect me and I appreciate that because something you know, and we've all felt this way in different circumstances is when people you love are impacted by something negative that you did or caused, you feel guilt. You feel a lot of guilt. And so it's like, ooh, shame, guilt, publicly, public humiliation. You know, it's an amazing

trifecta, Jamie. It's just, I was able to go to restaurants, but I had to be careful about which restaurants I went to because sometimes they would call the paparazzi or, you know, if I would read about what I ate in one restaurant, I never went back to that restaurant. But then there were places. There's a, I don't know if you've ever been to the Grey Dog Cafe in New York. Oh, it's great. Next time you're there, you should go. The best coffee in the city.

And they, you know, were little restaurant owned by two brothers. They say little. It's not little anymore. There are numerous ones, but it was a real safe haven for me in New York. And so I would go there and have breakfast. And in fact, one of my best friends still to today, I met there. So, you know, that's the magic of creating a safe space for people is, you know, it's not just good food. It's the connections that can happen there and last a lifetime.

When you went, you got your master's degree. You got your master's degree. London School of Economics. This is a big deal. You come out of school and you say no one would hire you. Yeah. Can you take us through that? Sure.

These are the things nobody thinks about. Right. Right. And then they go through stuff like that in their own version and they think that they're alone. Well, I think also too, what's important to note is not only what are the ways that people may connect from their own lives to that story, but we're also all participants. in these public stories that happen. And I think we often, once the headlines go away, we rarely think about that person again

and sort of what the long tale of their experience has been, how that can impact moving forward or not being able to move forward. But, you know, I went to graduate school. It had just, it became clear trying to be a public person was not working on so many different levels. And I was so unhappy. And so the thinking was, okay, why don't I try to go back. You know, my therapist at the time was always talking about getting back on a normal developmental path. Like how do I do that in every step of the way,

whether it's, you know, I dated then still or, you know, how was I trying to support myself in the same way that a 25-year-old would be trying to support themselves and, you know, all different ways. But going to graduate school was really about trying to build a new bridge to a future and a future where my name might be less known for certain things. And I'm able to start having the life that I was supposed to have. And it was just a process where it was timing. It just didn't work. It didn't work.

Did you go on job interviews? Yeah. I mean, I interviewed it. I mean, maybe this doesn't sound like a lot, but over 50 places. That's not. Yeah. And so, and each time for me was anxious. making, you know, I would, I had one experience where I went in and the person who was

interviewing me was more nervous than I was. And they had certain ticks that came out. And so trying to manage someone else's anxiety when I myself was anxious because it was so important to me to come across a certain way and to get hired and to try to have this future. You know, it's, I don't know why this is what's coming up. But I don't know why this is what's coming up. I'm thinking about Gilligan's Island. And like every episode of Gilligan, they almost got rescued, you know? And there's that thing where you just, it's like they almost got rescued, but then of course it doesn't happen.

And so that was how it would feel of this, okay, by getting a job, I would be rescued from what happened to me. And that would open up a new future and sort of trying to find this future that I had so desperately wanted and people who loved me. wanted for me too. You know, it eventually became impossible. I think it was impacted, certainly by the financial crisis we went through in 2008. It was impacted by the politics that, of course, like obviously she had every right to run, but Hillary running for office impacted my ability to get a job. And the Clinton's still being very much in power,

very much the leaders of the party. And you shared, you voted for her. Yes, I did. I did. I want to put this in perspective because I feel like I have the blessing now of knowing you as a friend and how freaking smart you are. And I'm imagining how smart you are. And then you get your master's from London School of Economics. You go on 50 interviews and no one will hire you. Yeah. So I know you've had so many people ask you this question. And I think your answer is so profound that I have to ask it is. you know, so many people have asked you, well, why didn't you just change your name? Yeah. And I, it's, I thought about it. I mean, we, we discussed it many times in my family. Um, and when I was sitting to write a resume, I, you know, thought about it again. But ultimately, I think I came to two very different things. One was more a fact of life and the, and the other was, um, something stronger in my soul.

And the first being, I don't know that that actually would have been able to work. I don't know that it, I think that at the level of name recognition and especially at that time still, I, it just, by the time that the paperwork like was coming out of, you know, a lawyer would be coming out of, taking paperwork in to be, you know, legally verified and having a name change, it would have been all over the newspaper. Right. So there was that piece to it. But I think the other piece that that took me time to find in myself and took me time to stand behind was that I shouldn't have to change my name. And so I shouldn't have to be, I regretted and felt a lot of shame about many choices I'd made in my life, both ones that led to 98 and earlier and other times that I've

I think all of us have done things. They don't all become public. But I wasn't ashamed of who I was as a person. Someone asked you, well, why didn't you change your name? And you also said, no one's ever asked for Clinton to change his name. And that's the stand in in many ways for the man. I don't think I've ever heard a man who's been through a scandal being asked, you know. And that is part of the cloak of shame that women are expected to wear.

And so that was also, I think that's an important thing for all of us women, especially young women, to remember of. And so often that cloak of shame women are expected to wear is actually put on you and reinforce by other women. When we realize that, we're like, wait a minute. wait a minute. I remember Chelsea Handler on this show saying that in her early career, and she's so pro-women. And in her career, she's like, it was women that didn't want me to succeed in the early parts of her career. And I feel like over so many generations, you know, the roles we've been

taught to play in these sort of like misogynistic views that we don't even realize are just sort of like part of culture that so often we're doing the thing to others that we would never want done on to us. And having that realization is so big. It's so big. I remember the first time realizing, wait, why was it called the Lewinsky scandal? Wait a minute. No, no one would ever ask Bill to change as me. Like just all of these realizations. And yes, we have come far, but not so much. No, I get asked a lot if I think that things would be different today. Yes. And I, while I, I do think some things would be different. Yeah.

I don't think it would be as different as we'd like to think it would be. Right. You know, we've made strides, but not enough. And sometimes the strides we make, we get, you know, blown back by a big gust. Yes. So interesting, even to this day when you look at, no matter what political party people are part of or how they vote, it's really every party is this way that when you have, you know, a woman running versus a man, just the press cover, just so fundamentally different.

The way their appearance is attacked, the way different parts of them is vilified. It's still wild to see how different it is. And I know you mentioned earlier that the first few years after 98 were hard. You talk about not wanting to wake up. You talk about the things that your family has gone through that you've experienced and then getting your master's, not being able to get hired. And you said a few minutes ago that you hit a point where you're like, what is my future and my purpose?

Yeah, I think it, you know, this was a large part of, I call it my dark decade. And, you know, this process of trying to move forward and yet feeling like I was both frozen in amber and stuck in molasses and in quicksand, you know. What decade was this? What age was? So this was coming out of graduate school, so in my early 30s. And I kind of, I feel like it was this tail, you know, to me, the tail end, it's 30 to 40 was that decade. And even though I was still a public person, like I was still trying to find my way as a

public person in my early 30s and then I went to graduate school. And those weren't as dark as what came in the years that followed. They were all part of the same thing of me struggling to to find my way and to find this, to find what my purpose was, to find how how was the life, how was, a life going to blossom? Even though I've always had friends, I'm so lucky that way and lucky for a lot of different reasons, there is something about having purpose. And it's actually, you know, we don't have to go into this whole long thing, but it's actually what I worry about with AI a lot is people being displaced from their jobs and even with universal basic income. Yes.

It doesn't mean you have purpose. Yes. You know, and so is 39 you talk about age 39? Yeah. It was a bad year. I think it is so valuable for people to hear that so often coming out of these enormous painful storms can be the rainbow. It doesn't always happen.

And sometimes you think, okay, fine, I'm almost through the storm. and then it turns out, oh, guess what? There's another fucking storm coming. Like, you have several storms. And then, but I do think we end up somewhere, we end up somewhere better. 39 for me was I had been trying so hard to move forward. And after I had done all the job hunting, then I was, you know, trying to be an entrepreneur with zero business experience, except I was good at spending money, you know.

And it was like I had creative ideas, but I'm not because I'm Libra rising. I can always see two sides to something. So trying to make a big decision about something on my own was really hard because I kept being able to go against it. So it was that. And then I came to a point where I thought I would, okay, I might step back into things and into a public world and maybe there's, you know, now social media exists. And so this kind of public shaming is happening to people who are, you know, who are public and private, you know, who've done something wrong and who've done nothing wrong.

So it, and I thought, okay, well, maybe I can be a poster child for having, you know, survived public shaming, even if surviving wasn't really thriving yet. I was still here. And so I tried so hard to. learn from my mistakes and to make decisions in a way that I thought, okay, it'll be different this time. And pretty much everything that I built in the few years leading up to 39 fell apart in my 39th year. And I turned 40. Obviously, that's what happens after 39. So it was a year I was turning 40. And, you know, really facing having to confront so many of the things that I had hoped I would have had at that that point that I watched many of my friends have. And like what? I'm like getting married,

having children, having a career, something that was fulfilling to them. And I think those were, I'd always wanted to have kids, you know, and and doing it on my own was not an option for me. So I froze my eggs at 37. I froze embryos at 37. But it just, you know, it just wasn't an option. Why? Because I didn't have any financial stability. And so it was, and I think for me, if you can help, you know,

it's one thing, an unplanned pregnancy is one thing, and whatever decisions people make around that, that's, in my mind, that's their own decision to make. I feel and felt a responsibility around if I was going to bring a child into this world that I'd be able to provide for it at a standard and a level that I felt would help them thrive. And I just, I didn't think I had the emotional makeup to be a good single parent either. so without a lot of resources, you know. And so I think there were a lot of tears shed in 39. And I had, in this period, I think from 35, 36, I started to do a lot of deep personal work.

And it was more non-traditional therapies. I had done some more traditional therapies. I did EMDR, which is a really powerful therapy to help with trauma and moving trauma out of the body and repatterning our brains in certain ways. But probably the main piece of work that I did based on string theory and it is around our energy bodies and the patterns of energy and blockages

and the kinds of things that we bring into our life, but also can hold on to. And so a lot of that work was having to heal my energy fields from the damage that had been done in 98 and after. And once we sort of got to a certain point, I was able to really repattern some of my relationships, my energetic relationships. I know it sounds like kind of cuckoo, but, and it's all underpinned by compassion. you know, in both compassion for myself and trying to set my lens to how I moved through the

world and took things in with compassion, which I try to do. I am not always successful. For your healing journey, is something you said earlier. You said long before you were able to receive it, your friend calls you and says she has this huge aha moment where if you shift your perception of yourself, everyone who has you and their consciousness will shift their perception. And I'm just thinking of how powerful that is because I think about every single one of us when we learn to unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt and we learn to believe we're worthy. Like I think about that when we shift our own identity, does that collectively shift? And for some of us, our circle might be, you know, the moms at school or the, you know, people at work or our family or whatever. But it's fascinating that concept.

And so going along your journey right now, this unimaginable thing happens at 24. And then you spend those years really struggling, of course, getting your master's coming out, that whole journey, now you're 39, and you're saying, I want to have kids. I have frescent my eggs. I've frozen embryos. I want to have a career. I want to have these things. and when did you start healing modalities and therapy?

And what does that journey look like from 24 up through now in terms of like what you've found has really worked or really helped on that healing journey and we'll eventually get into the reclaiming part as well? But what are your favorite or I guess most powerful? Because I believe our body keeps a little. score. I believe that book. I believe all of it. And I think for so many people, while that book is phenomenally popular, for so many people, the concept is brand new. Like, when my body keeps the score, oh, if I haven't healed the thing that happened then, it's still in me and affecting me.

And so from your journey, so far, really starting from 24 to now, you're 51, what has, what does that healing look like? And where are you at now and what's worked? Right. Yeah. Well, I think what's interesting is I feel like even the things that I did that I would say didn't work, they actually worked in some way. And I do think this is, it's really the building blocks of it. And sometimes it just takes a very long time to circle around to understand what something provided you, even if it didn't provide you with the thing that you went in. Instantly.

Right. Right. You know, and so, but I mean, I have tried almost everything. I haven't done psychedelics yet. It's something I really, but that's the now part. But I think from then I went on, you know, I went on traditional sort of psychotherapy medicines early on. I had traditional therapy with someone for, I think, almost 10 years.

And then when I went to London, I had. she was retiring at that point. So it was sort of this natural break. And I saw somebody briefly in London who was not a good fit for me. But it was really when I started doing the energetic work and the resonance work. And that that was, that started to shift everything. Really? Oh, yeah.

I know I would not be where I am. today without having done all of that work. So someone hearing energy and resonance work and they don't know what that means. There'll be people that are so into it. And then the people that they're hearing it for the first time, how would you explain what that is to someone who has never heard of it but is so curious and wants to know? Right. And maybe he wants to look into it.

Yeah, it is something that I'm so passionate about and I want to help people. We have machines that read energy, like an MRI, right? It reads a vibration. It reads a resonance, a sound. And so it's doing work. The work I do is sound-based. So if you didn't know what was happening, you would think you were getting some sort of a sound bath.

But it's really sound that's used to move under other energies. But what can be complicated is you don't know what's behind, you know, the person I'm working, with, I get lucky enough he finds a blockage. What we don't know is, is behind the blockage smooth sailing or a hundred other blocks? And so that's where I think healing can be complicated. Yeah. It's really, and so it is not, as you said before, it is not linear. Yes. You know, I think of it as like a tilted spiral because the times even that we feel we're going backwards, we're actually going down to go up on the next.

you know, on the next ring. Do you lay on a table and have a practitioner, like, tune in sounds to release energy blockage? Is there ever physical contact? Rarely is there physical contact, but sometimes there is. And it's, I've had experiences where I've gone in under a very heavy dark cloud and walked out. a brand new person. I've had experiences where I've walked in with a heavy cloud and walked out with the same fucking cloud or seemingly same cloud. So it's just, but one of the things once my, once we sort of repaired my fields was really about repattering my relationship to fame.

And that was the first thing that we did towards, you know, in my 39th year, not the first thing in my 39th year, but that was the first thing that really started to, I think I felt as if looking back it kind of plucked me up and put me on a different path. And that was through the sound energy work. Yes. Okay. Was that more powerful for you than EMDR or other modalities? Or maybe it was different. Different. Yeah. It's all different because I also, I started doing EFT, the tapping, emotional freedom technique. So tapping, which is which the basis of it is very similar to EMDR. It's a little less scientific, you know, you're not using, but it's around releasing energy that's stored in our body and that energy connected to emotions and experiences and ways that we filter new information

coming in. We filter experiences that are being offered to us. And so I was doing that. I would, I would try anything, you know, I was just, I was so desperate. You say at 39, that you maybe wondered if you'd make it out of 39. Yeah. It was an avalanche of disappointments that happened. And all of those disappointments became blessings. So, you know, everything that fell apart, it was, it really was for my own good.

and it is so hard to see that when you're in it. When you're in it. It is so hard. But I think that I always feel one of the most important parts of sharing our stories as we do in whatever medium, right? Whether it's a podcast or a book or a conversation one-on-one. What is so important about it is the wisdom and the hopeful bits. They get stored somewhere in us. even if we didn't choose to, and they're there.

And they may just come peek out and whisper, you know, in some of the darkest moments. And I feel like that's the benefit. That's the beauty of doing these kinds of stories. This conversation is so powerful and so inspiring that we made it into more than one part. And coming up in this incredible part two of our conversation on reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky, You have the power to reclaim your story, to reclaim the narrative of who you truly are, and reclaim your life. And we are diving into more insights into how you can do that in your life right now today.

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