The Jamie Kern Lima Show - Teddi Mellencamp (Pt 3) How to Keep Your Faith Bigger Than Your Fear + What’s Really Real on Your Fav Reality TV Shows! The Inside Scoop She’s Never Shared Before!

Episode Date: August 12, 2025

How to keep your faith bigger than your fear, no matter what life throws your way! Plus get the inside scoop on what really happens behind the scenes of your favorite reality TV shows, and so much more. Welcome to the INCREDIBLE Part 3 conversation with Teddi Mellencamp sharing stories she’s never shared before on life’s hardest set-backs, marriage, infidelity, cancer, parenting during hardship, reconciling faith and summoning strength, hope and courage during bad-breaks and life’s setbacks!   You might know Teddi as a TV personality who rose to fame on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, she’s also co-host of the wildly popular podcasts called Two T’s in a Pod with Tamra Judge & Diamonds in the Rough with Erika Jayne, she’s daughter of musician John Mellencamp, a mom to her beloved little ones, Slate, Cruz, and Dove. She is also stepmother to Isabella and I’m so grateful to call her, friend. As her impact and following continues to explode, She’s also going through the unimaginable and the fight of her life, in this very moment, right now. Teddi was recently diagnosed with stage 4 melanoma, which she shared has metastasized to her brain and lungs.    How do you choose love over fear when you’re in a season of setbacks, and what feels like one bad break after another? Plus some never before shared behind-the-scenes insights into TVs top reality shows! I’m so honored to share this incredible conversation with Teddi, you and me together today!  Are You Ready to believe in YOU?🙌⁠⁠⁠jamiekernlima.com⁠👈 Sign up for my FREE Inspirational Newsletter and get ready for your self-worth to soar!🩷  ✨ Want to learn more about Teddi’s work? Check out her coaching program: https://allinbyteddi.com/ 🎧 Don’t miss her hit podcast with Tamra Judge, Two Ts in a Pod: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-two-ts-in-a-pod-with-tedd-49447273/ The American Academy of Dermatology offers a simple guide on what to look for and how to do a self-exam of your skin: ⁠aad.org/public/diseases/skin-cancer/find/know-how⁠. If you notice anything suspicious or just want a professional check, you can find a board-certified dermatologist near you at ⁠find-a-derm.aad.org⁠. Chapters: 0:00 Welcome to The Jamie Kern Lima Show 10:30 Their Cruelty Isn’t About You 13:25 How Teddi & Tamra Make Reality TV Even Juicier 23:00 The “3 Types” of Reality TV Housewives 25:50 Housewives Unfiltered: Truth Behind Cameras 30:35 Dating Apps and Code Names  Also, please make sure to take 2 seconds and click the “Follow” button right here on this page to follow me and the podcast, I’m so grateful and thank you SO much! ____  It’s such an honor to share this podcast together with you. And please note: I am not a licensed therapist, and this podcast is NOT intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional.   Click ⁠⁠Here⁠⁠⁠ to Subscribe to the YouTube Channel Follow me here:  ⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠ —  Sign up for my inspirational newsletter for YOU at:⁠⁠⁠ jamiekernlima.com⁠⁠⁠  —  Looking for my books on Amazon? Here they are!  ⁠⁠⁠WORTHY⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Believe IT⁠

Coming up in this incredible part three conversation with Teddy Mellencamp. This is a high class podcast right here, so I'm not sharing what we go by, our names. Oh, you can share. Oh, I can share. Oh, yeah. Okay. I'm so excited to ask you all the scoop on for everyone who watches all these shows. As a viewer, I feel like I get this sense that there must be some pressure on cast members to be, to have drama or to, to, you know,

to stay relevant to keep their job. Do you feel like people like manufacture drama? I think there's three types of housewives. And are they doing that to stay relevant and stay on the show? No, they're doing that because they want to stay clean. Ah. They want to stay not being hated. So as long as they're not caught creating it.

Not being, not be hated by the other cast members or by the public? The public. or the other cast members, but mainly by the public. People, I mean, the last couple seasons, there's a couple housewives that you could tell, like, pandered to the public. And it never ends up well. Do cast members ever get addicted to the fame that starts

and the attention that starts? And then, like, it just takes over their life and becomes their biggest priority to the point where they might air dirty laundry, they never would have before, or they might lose a friendship or lose a marriage or lose a job or whatever it might be. All of us can say there's a small addiction to making money. So the longer that you're on, the housewives, the more money you're going to make.

Is everyone paid the same based on years or is it different? Is that the only app you're on dating? I tried to get on Raya, but I really didn't get in. Neither did Erica. What? Yes. We did not get into Raya. We don't know why.

We're like, are we controversial? Like, why didn't we get in? Are we too old? Is it because I'm not an Insta model? Why didn't I get in? And nobody from Rai has ever responded. Do you worry if you say something on your podcast and then someone gets their feelings hurt?

No. No, you don't worry at all. No. No. And there's people that all unfollow me. People, occasionally. We'll try to give you their point of view and why they did what they did. Ah, I tend not to respond.

Oh, do they try to see, do they try to see the narrative on your show? Yes. If they ask you to go back on to a season of Housewives of Beverly Hills, at this exact moment in time, with everything that you're carrying in your life, would you do it? Think about what's going on in their life. That they're choosing a stranger. that they've never met to say those things to. The more I share, the more I'm like, people are going to think I'm so nuts.

What are you most certain of in your life right now? I would say that I'm most certain that I'm strong enough that I can do this. My greatest purpose now is sharing this. Yeah. I mean, I think there'll be times that people are listening to what we just talked about and there's going to be some heat that I'll get, but I think there's also going to be some times where we're talking and people are going to go. wow, this moment just changed my life

or I'm going to the doctors or I wonder if this feeling I'm having is the same feeling she had and goes and gets checked. Our incredible guest today, Teddy Mellencamp, is a television personality who rose to fame on the Real Housewives at Beverly Hills.

She's also the co-host of the wildly popular podcast called Two T's in a Pod, daughter of musician John Mellencamp, a mom to her beloved little ones, Slate, Cruise, and Dove, She's also the stepmother to Isabella, and I'm so grateful to call her friend. As her impact and following continues to explode, she's also going through the unimaginable

and the fight of her life in this very moment right now. Teddy was recently diagnosed with stage four melanoma, which she shared has metastasized to her brain and lungs, and today's episode of the podcast is unlike any before. So get your tissues out and get ready to feel. feel overwhelming gratitude and perspective for the blessings in your life right now that can be so easy for us to take for granted when we have them. And of course, we have a little fun too and get the inside scoop on what really happens behind the scenes of your favorite reality TV shows and so much more. Welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima show.

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Everybody needs Jamie Curn-Lima in their life. Jamie Kern-Lima. Jamie, you're so inspiring. Jamie Kern-Lima. You mentioned you barely even read criticism online. I remember you and I had lunch. This was a number of years ago. It was your first season on Housewives, and we were talking at lunch about

just online criticism handling it, just this whole world we're in now. Now I feel like 2025, it's wild. I feel like you can't do anything. Anybody can't do anything without, you know, vitriol and this and that and opinions and, you know, and it's just wild. So, and for most people listening, maybe for them, their platform is the people at work and who they were raised around and you know or the you know people at church or the people in their peer group or or they never wanted to be online ever and they are in a profession that's like a doctor or a lawyer or whatever and now they have yelp reviews online and it's just such a new world we're in do you feel now and and i'm talking about even before before the diagnosis before everything you're going

through did you get to a place where you were able to not let criticism online affect you you. I don't think I got to that place until I started doing two T's in a pod. It would have been impossible. This is a high class podcast right here, so I'm not sharing what we go by our names. Oh, you can share. I could share. Oh, yeah. Okay, so everybody calls us the twats. Yeah. So the fact that people call us the twats and like we're getting ourselves into trouble all the time. I had to just go, if I'm going to go in and be myself and have fun on this show and say ridiculous things, I have to stop looking. I have to stop looking. I have to stop trying to monitor what people think of me. I mean, anybody that I'm close to in my life knows this is how I

am. And that's what I have to consider. And if I say something I regret, I can always say, hey guys last week I said this I wish I didn't I thought I took it too far I didn't mean it sorry and if people want to accept that apology they can or they can go know what we hate her neither's going to make a difference to me yeah you know I spent so many years just sort of um showing up pouring into people however I could going to events you know with a cosmetics we millions of women. I feel so blessed to have built that community. And it wasn't until this podcast, it wasn't until this podcast where I've had so many different people on, different people that vote different, love different, believe different, bring with them a whole thing. Like a whole

history they bring with them. And I have to say this last year has been wild. You know, because I've had some guests on where I've never seen anything like it, you know, in terms of I had one guest on where the number of hate groups and chatbot attacks on this person every day is enormous. And it's like, whoa. And just the online vitriol that I know is just out there every day for most people. And I think for everybody in 2025 learning how to not let it get to you is like so important. Because otherwise, you get tempted to just hide or not be yourself or not put yourself out there

or cancel yourself out of your own calling. Yeah, there's no winning everybody over. That doesn't exist. Yeah. There's no making every person in the world happy. Yeah. And I think that's what I just have to keep remembering when it comes to the world of social media, especially. Not everyone in the world is going to think that I look a certain way or I do this or I do

that or I'm I mean the things that could be wrong with me that people will find I'm like well this is a new one let's go you know like you have to kind of just laugh at it at some point and then what I've been trying to do a little bit which helps when somebody really gets mean and I've accidentally seen it I'll be like think about what's going on in their life that they're choosing a stranger that they've never met to say those things to you know and And that gives me a little bit of, like, would I ever say those things to a complete stranger that I don't know? No. No.

And I would imagine the majority of you listening to this wouldn't either. Right. Right. And so if somebody's coming after you, and think about all of the stuff our kids are going to have to go through with bullying and all those types of things. But that's what I try to say to them. Like, even my kids, because you never know as they're starting to get to the teenage years. I'm like if anybody says things to you and it's hurting your feelings or you think it's inappropriate one you know tell your teacher tell me but two like remember it has nothing

to do with you mm-hmm mm-hmm okay real housewives oh gosh two T's in a pod I remember Teddy literally season one a big brother so that for me was 27 years ago, 27 years ago, I went on to season one, a Big Brother. And I remember having no clue what it was. Reality TV was not like a huge genre yet. There was real world on MTV, but that was it. And all of a sudden. Those were the greats.

Yeah, the Great. All of a sudden, Survivor One and Big Brother one were coming to the U.S. And nobody knew what it was. And I remember sending my tape in with a bunch of girlfriends in school, like, oh, that sounds fun, whatever that is, you know, kind of a thing. Went through the whole casting process. It was the craziest experience, got cast on the first season, was in this, I was locked in this house for three months, and at the time, it was such a different day and age because

it aired, season one aired six nights a week on CBS primetime, right? So it was, and, you know, a lot of people watched the regular channels at that point. There wasn't a million social media. Yeah, there wasn't streaming. There wasn't, there was AOL that was streaming it, but there weren't, there wasn't social channels. So there was like blogs. I'll never forget. And I, and the whole American public would call in once a week and kick you off.

And I got kicked off the last day. So the last day, sorry, the night before the last day. So I was there for three months locked in this house. And I came out of it and none of us knew what to expect. Because every person on the show had a million fan sites, a million. and hate sites, because people were rude against different. You didn't know if you were going to be liked or hated. You didn't know anything. You didn't know how it was edited. Like, I didn't realize there. So there's something like 70 cameras filming all day. And then it got edited to one hour

that night or probably 40 minutes that night. And the whole experience was wild. And people just didn't know what to make of it. And now, you know, now you look at the just massive popularity of reality TV. And it's funny, my husband, Paolo loves scripted, just, you know, drop. and all the great Netflix shows. Oh, you're going to say Love Island. I was like, me too. Oh, no, I love, I, I, I love a great reality show. I love a great reality show.

Because, you know, sometimes I just, I just want to either escape in other people's lives or I want to be entertained and I don't want to think about everything that I'm stressed out about. And I just want to just like, you know. And so, um, it's such a thing for so many people. And, you know, I have just one data point, one experience behind the scenes. of one season a long time ago. It's so different now, and people's lives are impacted in so many different ways now.

And so I am so excited to ask you all the scoop on for everyone who watches all these shows, or one show. Everyone watches Housewives and loves it or any of these shows. And your podcast, Two T's in a Pod, I know you watch all the shows. We watch all of them. And then we watch some additional shows that aren't even on Bravo. Like, we watch Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Anything that seems like it's going to be really juicy, we do it.

I do another podcast with Erica Jane called Diamonds in the Rough. But right now we're recapping Real Housewives of Orange County. We take a little break from doing our other, which is just us kind of talking about our lives. Yes. We're like, oh, no, this is now a priority. O.C.'s on, because I can't recap O.C. with Tamara because Tamara is on O. He's on it. So that breaks those rules.

Yeah. So I can recap with another housewife as long as that housewife isn't on the show that. Right. Right. And to do a full recap with Erica or do a full recap with Tamara to do a full episode, you're watching all the shows. You're staying up to date on who's doing what, what's going on. So not only are you watching the shows.

So you're taking notes on the shows. Then you've got a team of producers that are watching the show. So you have their opinions. And then you also have. you also have to keep track of everybody's names even if they just popped in once even if they're there because they may be back they may be back as housewives they like sometimes if somebody talks for a second or like says something funny I'm like oh are we going to see them back again is that a new friend of is that a blah blah blah you know so you got to keep track of that also you have to remember more than just the dialogue because you have to make it entertaining yes so oftentimes I have to watch a show twice the first time is just so i can like all right this is what the show's about today and the second time okay this is what i'm going to riff on or discuss yes but some shows are easier to recap than others like if somebody's having we call it like filler filler shows those are hard to recap because

not a lot happened so that's where i always joke with tamer will be like oh this is going to be this is a tamer and teddy show we're just going to recap each other this whole episode because we didn't like what we watched. When you see any reality show now, having been on one of the biggest reality shows in the country for multiple seasons, having so many friends that are on all the different shows now, when you watch any show, do you see it so differently than maybe someone at home sees it? Like, no.

The crazy part? No. Because there are parts that felt so real doing it. that like you're so invested in the moment so when that drama is happening that drama it may be slightly different or you know with lack of a better word it might have been edited to to look a certain way yes but those emotions that you're seeing those are real emotions those are real and something happened that somebody said that got that person to that kind of way so like when I'm watching any of the shows I mean it's like I'm right there and then I'm trying to

figure out what really happened. Like, what did I miss? Why is this person so upset? I think it's interesting because as you watch all of the different franchises and you see how comfortably some people get right into go zone. Yeah. And how some people are a slow burn, you realize how much of the show is actually true.

A lot of people wonder, they're like, is this show real? Is this show real? Is it scripted? Is it, you know, encouraged by producers? Is it any of that? as real as you are in your real life. So like if you walked around and you like I mean there are some women that come out and they're like in gowns every day. I'm like what is going on? But then I would see them out of filming and they would still be in that outfit. So it's like they're as real as they are

willing to show. Right. Right. As a viewer, I feel like I get this sense that there must be some pressure on cast members to be, to have drama or to, to stay relevant to keep their job. Do you feel like people like manufacture drama? I think there's three types of housewives. We need to pause for a super brief break. And while we do, take a moment and share this episode with every single person that you know who this could inspire. Because this conversation can truly be the words and inspiration that they need to hear.

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As a viewer, I feel like I get this sense that there must be some pressure on cast members. members to be to have drama or to to stay relevant to keep their job. Do you feel like people like manufacture drama? I think there's three types of housewives. I think there's like just some housewives that are just funny and it just flows off of them and it's just excellent and it comes off pretty well for them in general. Yeah. Then I think there's the people that they can't help themselves like they see their worker bees they see an opportunity to make things happen and they're going to make things happen regardless of how it may bite them in the butt later they're like hold on nobody nobody clocked this i'm going to go in i'm going to take control i'm going to make this

and that makes create storylines and that so then it creates it but i don't think they necessarily go in thinking i created a storyline i think they just like that's them by nature you know they're going to they're going to search. And then I think there's people that are just really forward thinkers, like are three steps ahead of the game. So they're creating storyline that we're not even realized. We're blaming somebody else for. Like a game of chess. Yeah. And are they doing that to stay relevant and stay on the show? No, they're doing that because they want to stay clean. Ah. They want to stay not being hated. So as long as they're not caught. creating it not being not be hated by the other cast members or by the public the public or the

other cast members but mainly by the public people i mean that's the last couple seasons there's a couple housewives that you could tell like pandered to the to the public and it never ends up well and it's like you get like two seasons of being able to do that and then it's like okay we got it we see what you're doing here and we're bored. When you're a cast member on one of these shows, does everyone just understand the assignment that they have to be, you know, whatever, dramatic, interesting, like, accusatory, whatever it might be. People understand the assignment, but it still doesn't change what your sensitivity level is.

Something that hurts my feelings may devastate you or something that doesn't hurt her feelings made up you know like we don't really know yeah um and everybody has different moral compasses or different rules yes yes so you can say it's all planned but I would say I mean I don't know everything about all those girls like I could maybe step into something and not particularly have meant it because it wouldn't have been a big deal to me and then all of a sudden you're in the biggest deal of your life like my most annoying storyline was just some flippic conversation that was unnecessary. Because you don't know how everyone else is going to react for what they're going to feel about

it. Do you feel, when you look at the progression of the show, do cast members ever get addicted to the fame that starts and the attention that starts? And then, like, it just takes over their life and becomes their biggest priority to the point where they might air dirty laundry, they never would have before, or they might like lose a friendship or lose a marriage or lose a job or whatever it might be. I think people get to the point where, you know, if they're in the show, they're wanting the show to be good, the longer that they're on, the more they're probably going to be

willing to be like, all right, I'll do this. Like, we got to make a good show. But it also could go the other way. I've been on long enough. I shouldn't have to do this anymore. mm-hmm mm-hmm so you can't really it's really based on the person it's like in each individual i mean yes i think there's all of us can say there's a small addiction to making money so the longer that you're on the housewives the more money you're going to make and you know that

there's like a standard you hit five years you hit six years you hit you know like whatever it may be and so I think there's there's that aspect to it too is everyone paid the same based on years or are they is it different i'm not allowed to say does everyone know who's a cast member that answer we most of us know ishish but i can say that all first season housewives are paid the same so the people that say oh i got offered 10 million dollars to be on season one of the real housewives of i'm like no you didn't you didn't no one did season one housewives we were all paid the same it's interesting that there's a lot of people who are famous before that go on to it and i think there's a lot of people that see the success that some of you have had with your businesses yeah right with all in or a lot

of people will talk about um bethany frankle with uh her company and they think like oh if i get on the show my businesses are going to explode do you think that that is true? I think the businesses only explode if they were businesses prior. Or like they were naturally built. I think what you see oftentimes happening is just randomly you'll be watching a housewife show and then so and so will be like, and this is my candle I'm launching tomorrow.

And then it's like, no one's going to smell it. Yeah. Because it doesn't feel authentic. But if you've seen somebody go through the motions of a business, Like it's like watching Lisa Renna go to an acting studio. Of course she would be going, like that's something that she would do. You know, it's not something that's just made up for television. Anything made up just for television, I don't think.

It doesn't do well. People can sense it. Yeah, you can sense it. And then it's not. Are people, are cast members allowed to do that, like product placement of their stuff? Mm-hmm. Uh-huh. You can, but it doesn't mean that the editors are going to show it.

Right. so if you start to be too much of that person you start to see that there's less of it right and there's some people that just you know they wear it all over their clothes all the time it's this constant and you're just like is any does any cast member across any season or any any city have any input on editing no zero zero so the people that say that it's so not true know who does the best product placement for for themselves. Who? Jacks Taylor. Ah. So he's just gotten out of rehab, allegedly. Yeah.

And he wears every single day of filming from rehab or wherever he has, Jacks's, which is a bar. Yes. On his hat. Yeah. So it's like, no matter what, you know that name of that bar. Yes. And now he's tied it to partying this, that he, you know.

Yeah. But, I mean, I don't know how much. And there was the big drama of Brittany, of them changing the name to Britney's the night before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you think that was intentional on her part? Because maybe it's like 50-50 or something. I don't think that she got any money for.

I think they just knew it would piss them off. Ah, okay. Yeah. But, I mean, it's just how they kind of, they all kind of put it through their head. And then sometimes it sticks. Sometimes it doesn't. For Jacks's, I think it's stuck because people are like,

this is so ridiculous that he would wear this hat right now. And he's wearing it. Every day. Is the bar open right now? Probably. I don't know. I don't got many bars. I mean, maybe I will now that my hinge is up on. Right? Because it's going to blow up. I am. No, I just, I don't know what I would think. I would think maybe you would have like a code name or a code photo. What would I do as a code? Well, I did at first not have my bald photo up and then I was like, now I'm having to explain somebody to everybody. not like there's a now i'm having to display to the thousands and thousands of people but no but once they ask you out then i'm like so do you want the code reds or do you want to just most of them are like yes we want the code reds but i mean no one's going to turn down once you say but like

you just kind of peter off if you're like i know pretty i know probably i know probably within five messages if this is going to peter off or not how often do you check hinge I would say like once every couple days. Okay. I mean, for a while, I wasn't checking it at all. But most of the time you just get a rose or something, which means then I would have to write the thing, and I'm not going to do it. You had to be reaching out to me and you have to have something funny.

That's it. Mm-hmm. That's all I got. Something funny. Something funny. Is that the only app you're on for dating? I can't really keep track of that one a couple days a week, let alone. multiple. I tried to get on Raya, but I really didn't get in. Neither did Erica.

What? Yes. We did not get into Raya. We don't know why. We're like, are we controversial? Like, why didn't we get in? Are we too old? Is it because I'm not an Insta model? Why didn't I get in? And nobody from Raya has ever responded. Other people that have been accepted on Raya have messaged me and they're like, how is this possible? Yeah. I'm like, I don't, don't know. I'm like, but everybody tells me that Raya is not as good as Hinge because Raya it's got the celebrity aspect, which that's what I'm going to go with, not that I got rejected from Raya, so I chose Hinge. And if it has that aspect, do you think it sort of like attracts a certain type of person? Also, somebody I know that's on Raya said they know a lot of people

when they go online. I've never looked at Hinge and been like, oh, I know him. Never once. There's no crossover. Would you rather date a celebrity? or would you rather date someone that's, like, not in this world at all? I would rather date probably not somebody in this world at all. Or Colin Farrell. I'm just kidding. I don't even have you single. That's funny.

Yeah, you know, it's funny. My husband's not on social at all. Paulo, he's not on social. He could care less about anything. And it's so nice. It's so nice. You know what I mean? Because you're not, like, yeah.

Yeah. He doesn't get impressed by, anything less someone's kind. Yeah, no, he's just a cool guy too. He's just like a cool, fun, nice guy. Into sports. Yeah, yeah. And I love it.

But I was curious for you, especially because you are probably around so many people that are in the industry, right? And so I would imagine. It would take a lot. Like, I would need like a really, I'm not really probably going to be at this stage where I'm going to be told what to do much. Yeah. So good.

Yeah. So freeing. I just, it's not going to happen for me. And I think that if I switch the power dynamic, then all of a sudden I could be the one told what to do. Mm. Mm-hmm. Right now, me just living my life, trying to be as happy, as healthy as I can, and make as much money as I can is, you know. You're podcasting five or six days a week right now.

and I do one show a week. I do one show a week. And it is so much work. It is over a full-time job for me. Way over 40 hours a week I put into one show week. But you're editing it. Yeah, doing all of that. That's true, that's true.

You're editing it. You're a very small team. That's small, tiny and mighty. You guys are crushing it though. Yeah. But it's because you're editing it. I finish. So even though we have, we have additional pods that me and Tamar are producers,

on that are on like um emily has like a really good true crime pod that's under two t's and a pod so we have a bunch um we listen and then that's it like we have a whole production team over at iHeart that does all of our editing of our podcast so it's like yes we have to do a lot of research leading up but the second we're done we're done occasionally one of us will be like hey i don't like the way this came out or blah blah blah but like not rarely yeah yeah so you're putting in a lot of time because that takes a lot of time yeah you know i don't have a booker anything yet yeah yeah so literally every person that's come on is either pitch themselves or as a friend so far so i'm both you're both you're both and we were talking about this earlier you know it it's just wild when you

have a small team because when you're getting thousands of pitches yeah you know every week and then you're trying to have someone at the time to go through it. Yeah, it's been an interesting first year journey, but I know how much work it is. And it's such a talent for you because I just want to call this out and highlight this and honor this. Yes, you're watching all the shows. But then other people are watching the shows, but your podcast is doing so great because you guys are creating really insightful content around what's happening on the shows, plus your own take on it, plus your, you know what I mean? Plus all the stuff that you have to add that's interesting and dynamic. And that just takes a lot of energy.

So I admire it. Do you have fun with it? I would say depends on the show. Depends on the show. Depends on the show and depends what they're giving. Like if somebody's giving a lot and you feel like the show is authentic, yeah, I love it. Like there's sometimes I can't wait to watch a show. Yeah.

Do you worry if you, do you worry if you say something on your podcast and then someone gets their feelings hurt? No. No. No. No. No. I would say none of us necessarily care about that because that's why that's what we're being

paid to do. It would be like if you are somebody's assistant and then you're not going and doing the assistant work, you're probably not going to keep that job. Yes. Right. So you know the job that you have. Yeah. Like I know the job that I have. That's to go on and, you know, be a little shady, be a little funny, say some, you know, ridiculous things and kind of move on from it. If I didn't move on from it, then I'd have to be, like, obsessing over it. Right. When you guys talk about somebody, do they love that because they're getting more air time? Depends on the person.

Do you ever hear from people that are just upset or whatever? I mean, there's people that will unfollow me as if, but I won't even notice that'll be written up in, like, one of the blogs or something like, so-and-so unfollowed Teddy after her recent podcast where she said, da-da-da-da-da, but I don't know. But, no, people occasionally will try. try to give you their point of view and why they did what they did, I tend not to respond. Oh, do they try to seed, do they try to see the narrative on your show? Yes. And I tend to just feel like, love watching. You know, like, I don't want to get involved in like that whole mess because there's a whole big mess on OC this year because there's like

a blogger that's involved with one of the housewives and they were messaging and now it's coming out. But that's not how I want to watch a show. I don't want to watch a show about somebody that blogged about the like now right now kind of like inside baseball yeah yeah yeah yeah this I would find fascinating when you did you find that people treated you differently once you got on housewives in the sense of like did more people want to be your friend and then when you were no longer on housewives did that change and then now that you host this big podcast then that now are, you know what I'm saying? Like, how has, how have people treated you?

The shift, I would say the shift really depends on the cast that you're on and how close your friendships are. Yeah. Like, one thing that both me and Tamara have been very open about was everybody on Beverly Hills that I was friends with kept that friendship, like, really worked hard on maintaining it and being like, we love you, you know, we miss you, you know, like, and the girls that I was close with, I'm still close with. Yeah.

Tamara did not have that. experienced the year that she was let go from OC and her friends all kind of just wow but that's to me that's how you know like is this a show friend or a real friend and like Tamara's one of my real friends like I I love her I care about her and I can't imagine you guys meet in church we met at church we met at church in Orange County I was walking out and Edwin goes do we know her and I'm like yes we do hi Tamara judge and And then everybody said, then I booked the podcast and I said, I want to do it with a co-host, though, because for me, it's not as fun to just recap by myself. Yeah.

And they said, okay, and they named a couple people. And I was like, nope, the only way I'm doing it is if it's a Tamerjadge. Wow. And they're like, well, she's not going to do it. She just got fired from the show. I'm like, she'll do it. And I called her and I just was like, I think we'll have so much fun and we can make such a big difference, like, in the world of, you know, Housewives podcasting. And your chemistry is so good.

did you just have a gut feeling like she's the person like i was like i need somebody that's not going to also overthink everything i already overthink everything else in my life but in this area i don't so yeah yeah and how long have you guys done the show now i think it's three or four years yeah yeah and then me and erika i think two years so you and erika did it start as a segment then turn into its own show yeah yeah then we loved it so much and then our numbers were so high we're like okay we got a combo it up yeah so it's it's really fun i love it and it's you know it's kind of like family at this point you know we'll go to bravo con and there and everybody will be like a twattscon there and everybody will bring shirts t-shirts um if if they ask you to go back on to a season of

housewives of beverly hills at this exact moment in time with everything that you're carrying in your life. Would you do it? No. No. You'd say no. No. So for all those people that think they saw me in Sedona this week, you didn't. Yeah, no, I don't have the bandwidth for it right now. And I'm not somebody that likes to do something when I can't be good at it. I guess that's bad to say. Go all in. Yeah, unless I feel like my words are a little stuttery sometimes and it doesn't mean that I'm telling a lie or any of this type it just that's how I am ever since some people have to relearn to talk after having these surgeries that I had so the fact that I can or walk or do any of these things the fact that I can do as much as I can do I'm so blessed for but it still happens to me and

some days are very bad like some days I'm like just stumbling word over word and I would hate to be done a show like that and have somebody think that I was not being honest and really I was just struggling and then them get the heat for it because how could you do that to someone that has cancer? There's just too, there's too many, I don't think it would be the best for the cast and it wouldn't be the best for me right now. Do you think you'd be open to it in the future? I don't know. I like the idea of being on another television show, but I don't know that Housewives, I have, I enjoy it so much now that I recap it. I don't know that I need to be on that particular show again, but I would love to be on TV in some capacity.

With all of the stuff going on on that show when you're a cast member and the drama and that, oh my gosh, do you feel, is it feel good to not have that kind of drama? Or do you still feel like you have it hosting a podcast? I don't feel like I have it hosting a podcast. I don't feel like. And also when I can see one of my friends that are hurting. Yes. And I remember that time. I am like, ugh.

I mean, it's hard for me to even recap people. Like I'll stay on my show. I'll be like, hey, guys, I'm recapping this episode. You guys are going to say I'm biased, and that's fine. Tell me a best friend that isn't a little biased. And it's not a friend I want. So be mad at me all you want. This is my opinion.

This is my show, and I'm going to say what I want. You're welcome to write your responses here, but I'm not going to change my opinion. Like, this is one of my best friends, and this is how I feel. Yeah. Yeah. So not that long ago, I remember walking off stage from getting the Gracie Award for this podcast, which, by the way, biggest full circle moment, because I used to be in television news thinking, one day, and I'd always see who win the Gracie Awards. And anyway, so for this show, for this podcast, and when it was like, I was in shock and it felt so grateful. And I was like in a day's being in that room. And I remember giving the speech for winning the award for this podcast, walking backstage, and I see you and Kyle.

And I didn't know you were there. I didn't know you were there. And I was so excited. And why I'm bringing this up is because as I just like hung out there for a little bit and then you guys were on stage and you went back to your table, feeling the energy of how great of a friend it felt she was to you. You know what I mean? Like I just, I watched.

I always noticed just the most, like the most granular details. And sometimes that's great and sometimes that makes me miserable. But that's another story. but anyways I just noticed these like granular details and it was just so many little things that I was watching how great um of a friend she's been such an incredible friend the amount of things that she has you know just been there for me and oftentimes I say you know you need laughter she's giving me laughter she's given me true friendship she's been there for my kids she was there in the hospital on the days that I was wretched

and the days that I was lovely. You know, like, just so much kindness has come from her. And, like, she is just the person that, like, you know, it's the small things that I could be like, gosh, I'm really craving these tacos that you make. And she'll be like, be her in 20. You know, like, she's just that type of person.

And she'll, like, have your favorite tacos made with, like, the special little thing on the side that, like, you like. Like, she just, her attention to detail is really incredible. and she's been such a good friend to me. But also calls me out when I need it. Like when I got out of the hospital the day after I thought I solved a Scott Peterson case. It's a rough day at the hospital when you're trying to tell the entire stat. I solved the Scott Peterson case.

They're like, you watched the documentary yesterday. You didn't solve it. Isn't she, didn't, am I remembering this right? Didn't Kyle, wasn't Kyle the first person to say go get this checked? Yes, she was the first person to say, go get this checked. Yes, she was the first person. telling me to go get this checked on my arm i still have the picture of us going to her her um dermatologist wow yeah and that day were you just like uh okay i'll do it but you know i didn't think

it was anything i mean i went there in a sports bra that we ran and like that's how worried about the sun i was mm-hmm i was like everyone's driving me nuts about this thing Mm-hmm. Next thing you know, I have a big huge Z. Big huge Z. My huge Z. Mm-hmm. And now with my dad's lyrics, tattooed on the back.

Hmm. How is, what was his reaction to the tattoo? Well, he, we all kind of, we all got, the more I share, the more I'm like, people are going to think I'm so nuts. But first, we all got these little knife tattoos. So because I would get super annoyed about things, I wanted a way to just say something without saying it. So now something's driving me nuts.

I can just go and tap my little knife, which doesn't really mean anything. So we all got our little family. My sister got one. My brother got one. We have these little knife tattoos. But I said, I want to get another one. And he's like, why don't you get life as short even on its longest days? And I like started crying, and then I got on my back.

So yeah. So we picked a good song for you to walk into. you what brings you the most joy in life right now brings me the most joy um i would say what brings me the most joy is of course the answer of like watching my kids mature and to the human beings that they are like in getting to know their little personalities as they get more and more different and have stronger personalities but i would say um other than that it's like really the small things like crews and i started watching a show um that he really likes and so once a week he'll remember the day it comes on and he'll be like it's our show night we're watching it and it'll be

like 540 p.m and we're like yep you know like so it's it's those little things that like my kids remember that are important to them that i get to do that maybe i wouldn't have been there to do before it is pretty amazing i get a lot of joy out of watching Slate Ride. I'm getting a lot of joy out of swimming and also swimming with Dev. I get a lot of joy out of seeing Bella become an adult. Like that's bananas to me. Like she's 16 years old.

I'm half her size heightwise. Like it's banana. It's just the time really flies. And I think you really do have to appreciate the time. time that we do have because no matter where you are in your life it's going by fast and I never I just thought my parents were old and didn't know what else to say when I was younger but it's true time flies what makes you most fearful in your life right now I would say I'm most fearful of um either you know the the most obvious or I would say I'm I'm fearful of feeling alone

I don't ever want to be in this situation and not. I mean, I have so many friends and family. This is like an irrational fear. I have so many friends and family that are there for me where some people, you know, aren't blessed with that. So it's like I need to get this out of my head. But just knowing that I could pick up the phone and talk to somebody at any point in time

or say, like, can you bring me my favorite smoothie? It's huge. So I have fear. being alone. You're my favorite tacos. Yeah. What are you most certain of in your life right now? I would say that I'm most certain that I'm strong enough that I can do this.

That like throughout, like I am well equipped. I have good family. I have a lot of love. And as long as I keep staying strong and as long as I keep believing and staying as positive as I can, I'm going to be okay. Yeah. What do you believe your greatest purpose is? I mean, that changed. I would say my greatest purpose now is sharing this. Yeah. I mean, I think there'll be times that people are listening to what we just talked about and there's going to be some heat that I'll get, but I think there's also going to be some times

where people, where we're talking and people are going to go, wow, this moment just changed my life or I'm going to the doctors, or I wonder if this feeling I'm having is the same feeling she had and goes and gets checked. What's your advice for someone listening right now who's going through a difficult season in their life? One foot in front of the other. Get a little fresh air. Doesn't mean you have to exercise, but just get a little fresh air.

I sometimes will just go out and take a couple deep breaths because everything feels. a lot worse in my bedroom. If I'm in there, it's dark, I start the day, it's, I don't fully get acclimated for the day, then I'll keep saying sad. So I would say, you know, get a little fresh air. If you do that, it still doesn't work. Sometimes I'll hop in the shower and I'll put the cold on, then the hot on, and kind of go back and forth a little, and it wakes my body up, so that helps. And then also knowing you're not alone. No matter what it is that you're going through, I can guarantee there's someone else going through something similar, or even if they're not, they'll still be a good person to talk to about it. So just be vulnerable. I've learned

the more vulnerable I am, the more I've grown from people I didn't know, because I've shared a story that I didn't think I would share. Every single thing in your life, if you open up and you're vulnerable, it's going to get better. Teddy Mellencamp, thank you. Of course. I love you. I'm so grateful you're here.

Thank you for everything that you are doing that is so much greater than you or me or any of us, this whole new mission, in addition to everything else that you're doing. And how many people right now are going to go get checked because they heard this podcast. And while you're getting checked, go subscribe to two T's and a pod. Yes, listen away. You'll have a lot to say. And both of your podcasts are great. I love just how vulnerable you guys are also.

Thank you. I love that. So we'll link to your shows. We'll link to everything here in the show notes. And thank you. Thank you for being here. Of course. Thanks for having me.

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