The Joe Rogan Experience - #1028 - Adam Greentree

Episode Date: October 25, 2017

Adam Greentree is a bowhunter and photographer from Australia. He also hosts his own podcast called "Bowhunter's Life."

I'm scared to ask you too many questions until we get live. We're good? And we're live! Adam Green Tree! Fresh from Australia! Fresh from the bush! Straight from the bush. Yeah.

It's been crazy. So I was thinking about it, and not even the LA part, I was just thinking I went from the snowy tops of Montana, got home, pretty much hugged the family to death, went straight to Arnhem Land in the Northern Territory of Australia. Complete opposite, like just first thing in the morning, just sweating, covered in mosquitoes, flat, barren ground. And then, but no humans, like a small indigenous population out there and that's it. Then straight from there. So straight from Arnhem Land to Sydney.

Met Kim in Sydney and then straight here to la and flying in and it's just like i don't know how many people live here too many too many there's more people here than in the entire country of australia that's crazy and i remember last time i was here and you're like you know this is the safest place on earth or the safest place in the u.s and there was that uh armed robbery or whatever there was in calabasas there today when we flew in i went into like a cell provider to get a sim card a dude walks in look full dodgy i knew something was about to go on the the dude that was serving me knew something was going on i kept seeing him looking over my shoulder at this guy he grabs a bluetooth speaker and it's like pretending like he's going to go to the checkout

and i'm just being polite and thinking there's something going on so let's just get him done and out of the store then he goes to a full runner for it dude straight out the door with this bluetooth speaker but old mate like had his runners on and chased him down and got it off him really yeah yeah and um i'm like every time come here, there's something crazy going on. Well, if you're in the wrong place the wrong time, there's plenty of crazy going on. Yeah, for sure. There's just so many people. There's so many people.

That's what it is, yeah. Yeah, there's no way around it. But, you know, fairly safe. Fairly. Fairly. I mean, you're out there fucking shooting water buffaloes and shit. Which is safer than fucking people. That's just not bullshit.

That's just not true. That's crazy. It's heaps safer than people. No, when you're Adam Greentree, maybe it's safer because you know what you're doing. You know how to hunt them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you were telling a story on whose podcast? Was it Jay Scott's?

I forget whose podcast it was. You were telling a story about one of your friends that got gored by a scrub bull. Pedro Lever that got gored by a scrub bull, yeah. Yeah, see, that's not good. That doesn't happen out here. That's definitely not good. Did I tell you that story? No.

So what happened? He shot a scrub bull. Well, tell people what a scrub bull is. Yeah, so a scrub bull is just like domestic cattle, but it's been out in the wilderness. Many, many generations. Exactly. Wild. And they've changed the way they look.

Yeah, they're like a real feral inbred looking. They're crazy looking. They're crazy looking. And they're crazy dangerous too. Here's a photo of them. I mean, that looks amazing. That is such a cool looking animal. That looks so much different.

And that's pretty much a purebred Brahman, that one. Look at that one. Whoa. Yeah, that's looks like... So when you say it's a purebred Brahma, that means... That's a pretty good looking bull. If you go up the top, Jamie, there's a couple more at the top.

That red one that you were just under? That one there? Yeah. That's a pretty typical scrub bull there. That's a fellow that I know actually in Australia. Is that a stick bow he's got? Yeah, he's got a a trad bow that's all he hunts with is a trad bow oh jesus why do people do that to themselves so the problem with these animals obviously they don't respect fences and they'll go and breed and interbreed with like a farmer's stock and things like that um is that is that bad for the farmer's stock definitely yeah they'll they'll just go

straight through fences. But I mean, as far as the breeding? Yeah, he'll have a heap of calves and they won't be purebred anymore. So they're not good for rebreeding or they won't fetch the same value at the markets either. What is the difference in the genetics? Do they look different? They look a fair bit different. So that first bull that Jamie showed was like a Brahman bull. different? They look a fair bit different. So that first bull that Jamie showed was like a Brahman bull. Then one of those scrub bulls, which is just bits of frigging every sort of bull over a lot of

generations will come in and interbreed with it and then sort of wrecks the herd. And when did they get released or when did they escape? Well, it would have been with the first cattle that come into Australia. 1800s? 1800s, yeah. Wow. So they've just sort of morphed and become wild animals now. And wild bulls, very dangerous, right? Very dangerous, yeah. So what happened was Pedro shot this bull and it dropped, like, you know, dropped unconscious. He thought it was dead, walked up to it. It jumped up.

Like, he literally got up to it and it jumped up. And anyway, it ended up getting him against a tree. Like, he ran to get up a tree. He felt it hit him and it sort of lifted him up the tree like he ran to get up a tree he felt it hit him and it sort of lifted him up the tree he climbed up the tree this is the gross bit then he felt something warm on his legs and looked down and his guts and everything were hanging down over his legs but he was a tough bastard he gathered his stomach back up and sort of held it in place then the bull actually died he climbed down out of the tree and ended up dying two times, I think.

Once in the air because the Royal Flying Doctors come in and grabbed him because he was a long way out in the middle of nowhere. And then once on the operating table as well. Wow. He survived all that and ended up dying of a bloody mass heart attack. No way. Yeah. When?

I think he was only 36 or 37. Do you think it had anything to do with the accident? I don't reckon it was related at all. Really? Yeah. When? I think it was only 36 or 37. Do you think it had anything to do with the accident? I don't reckon it was related at all. Really? Yeah. You would think that a guy could get past getting gored by a bull, push his guts back into him. Like, that guy's not going to get a heart attack.

Life's not fair, eh? Don't give a shit. Wow, that's crazy. Oh, thank you, Jamie. Jamie's adjusting. My shoelace is untied as as well if you want to fix that. Those don't have shoelaces. You got those under our fat tires with a little click in the wheel.

I like those. Everyone asks me about my boots. I'll get a glimpse of whatever shoes that I'm wearing. I'll shoot some awesome animal and they're like, what shoes are you wearing? People are gearheads, man. I know. That's a big thing about hunting is how many people are like crazy gearheads. They're like, what do you want to know?

What kind of bow you have? What kind of, what side are you running? Like what kind of shoes you wear? It's really uninteresting to me maybe because I've done it for so long, but I sort of don't care about the gear as long as it works as good as it should, you know? And that's because everyone asks me to keep doing these tip things as well and i hate doing that i hate listening to them but if you're a new guy coming into bow hunting then obviously you want to know some people love that stuff man

like john dudley's uh tips that he does like he does these live instagram and youtube but facebook feeds where he'll like take a bow apart put it back together again explain the cam systems extreme with it too. He's extreme. So he's my go-to guy. If I don't know something that I'm doing, I'll go straight to Dudley every time. Yeah, Dudley's podcast, if you're into archery, is called Knock On. And the Knock On podcast is, without a doubt, the most in-depth archery podcast

from not just hunting, from a hunting hunting standpoint but from just target archery how you know how important technique is i mean he's a real master yeah loves it yeah yeah and he's a super gear head too he is how's your um how's your sober october going crazy it's going good the sober part's easy the uh the hot yoga we're in the home stretch today was uh number 13 so i got two more i'm banging them out this week. I'm going to do tomorrow and Friday and be done with it. Yeah, right. Awesome.

Because I want to get back to doing other stuff. And when you do a 90-minute yoga class, it's hard to lift weights or run or do anything else. You don't really want to do anything else, you know? So I'm just going to bang it out

and get it over with. Yeah, Kim's done it once and she reckons it was like hell on earth. Just the yoga? She's just done it once? Yeah, just the yoga. I think she had a big drinking session before it. She was in Bali.

And she just made some stupid promises to this Balinese woman. And then this Balinese woman's ringing her up the next morning like, where are you for yoga? Kim just thought it was yoga, though. So she's like, oh, I can do yoga in my sleep. And she gets here and it's like in this hot room and stuff. And it was killing us. Well, Bali, too, I would imagine is very humid.

Oh, humid. It'd be muggy as hell. Yeah. Ari was talking about that today because Ari does yoga in New York, which is way more humid than it is in California. California is dry. Yeah. So he was probably loving today. Oh, yeah.

We went to a different place today. Today we went to a place that was more mild. Yeah, okay. Not as hot. But it's not, your body gets used to it. It's interesting. Yeah. It's like, there's a lot like, you know, I do that cryotherapy stuff.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I did it yesterday for the first time in about three weeks, I guess. And it was hard. Yeah. Whereas when I do it every day, it's nothing. You're conditioned to it. You're used to it. I just get in there, but it's quick how that conditioning goes away. Hey, did you see the pig tusks that I brought you?

Yeah, I did. It's pretty badass. Do you have a set of them yet? These are cutters. No, I've never killed a boar. I've only killed sows. You need to come to Australia, my friend. I do, but I'm scared.

I've got to be honest with you. Every time I look at your Instagram feed and I see a brown snake that can kill you or a spider that can kill you Or fucking saltwater crocodiles What are you doing playing with crocodiles the other day man They were coming in the camp dude There was a couple of I wish I captured it on video There was one that she

I think it was a female anyway She must have been coming around the back of camp Unnoticed so when she was heading back to the water She was literally coming straight through Camp to get back to the water, she was literally coming straight through camp to get back to the water. And there it is. That thing, that photo doesn't do that thing justice. That photo scares the shit out of me. That's a real, that's a real live monster right there. How big was that fucker? He's about five and a half meters. Whoa. He's giant. He's old. You can even see it in the texture of his body. He's just a

real old croc. Five and a half meters to Americans. I want you to think about 15 feet. America. So a few people have been taken at this spot. Mostly indigenous have been grabbed at that spot over the years. And when you see an ancient beast like that, there's a chance he's a man eater. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. They're just ruthless. Like how old do you think a 15 and a half foot crocodile is? I don't know. I don't want to comment because I don't know and I'll probably get it wrong. I would like to know, like how long does it take them to grow 15 and a half feet? See if you could find that, Jamie.

Saltwater crocodile. I'm pretty sure they live over a hundred years. Yeah. They live a long time. Yeah. Yeah. They're ruthless too. Yeah.

Like people who live in Florida, don't get those confused with alligators. They're a different animal. Yeah, completely different animal. So we've got the freshwater crocodile, which just lives in freshwater. Then we've got the saltwater crocodile, but he lives in both. And so a lot of people get that confused, like, oh, it's freshwater. It'll be right to go for a swim. No.

So the freshwater crocodiles are not as aggressive? They're not as aggressive. They might get a bit territorial, but they're not going to grab you to eat you. Whereas the salty will grab you to eat you. You just look like another. They keep growing throughout their lifespan, require more and more food.

When the amount of food is unavailable, they die from starvation. The reason why you don't see a thousand-year-old crocodiles that are 50 feet long. Wow, that's the only reason? Holy shit. Holy shit. The way they die is out of starvation or if they contract a disease. a thousand-year-old crocodiles that are 50 feet long. Wow, that's the only reason? Holy shit. Holy shit.

The way they die is out of starvation or if they contract a disease. Oh, my God, they just keep growing. So that's why they... That's crazy. That's why these ones in captivity, because they're getting hand-fed, probably get the biggest. Like, that's where you'll see your biggest crocs. The Guinness Book of World Records, the saltwater crocodile caught in Australia

as the largest crocodile in captivity measures 17 feet, 11.75 inches. So basically 18 feet. Yeah, that's huge. So my buddy Andrew Uckels. That's so big. Have you heard of Andrew Uckels? No, haven't. He's like a YouTube sensation.

He's been capturing just about everything in Australia for the last millennium. And he's seen a six-meter crocodile before. And he's one of these guys, you don't bullshit. Like if he says he's seen a six-meter crocodile, he's seen a six-meter crocodile. Yeah, well, that's just the biggest one in captivity, right? That's right, yeah. And Australia has a ton of food. A ton of food, yeah.

So it's not like they're going to starve to death. This river system, we went down there fishing, and we probably traveled an hour down the river in a little tinny, a little boat. I reckon we've seen 200 to 250 saltwater crocodiles in that time. Jeez. Because they can't harvest them, or they don't cull them out, or anything like that. Is there laws protecting them? There is.

There's laws protecting them. So that's why the place is just riddled with them at the moment. Why are there laws protecting them? It sounds like they're infested. Well, anything that's a native in Australia is protected. So like you guys, you know how you can hunt your white-tailed deer and everything like that. Australia, you can't hunt kangaroos. You can't hunt any natives.

So everything we're hunting is an introduced species. That sounds crazy. Crocodiles are natives, so you can't hunt kangaroos you can't hunt any native so everything we're hunting is an introduced species that sounds crazy the natives so you can't hunt them there's been talk about bringing in like a program but i don't know if it'll happen but that's that's so weird yeah it seems to me to be very strange like completely different system yeah but well it makes sense that you guys hunt all the non-native species because they're invasive and devastate the land and the other wildlife. You guys have crazy problems with feral cats. We talked about that before. And, you know, you have pigs everywhere. Name it.

Donkeys, wild horses, even the funny ones that people don't think about, like donkeys, wild horses, camels. I think camels probably get a little bit of exposure. Then we've got all your typical stuff, you know, pigs, goats. We've got the six deer species. So if we didn't have any of those introduced species, there would be no hunting in Australia. But what do they do? That sounds nuts.

So they're only hunting just to get rid of the invasive species? Yeah, that's correct. But how do they control the populations of the kangaroos? Kangaroo, you can get like a permit. I couldn't as a bow hunter or just a hunter couldn't get a permit. But if you're a professional shooter, like you're shooting for human consumption or pet meat or something like that, or if you're a big landowner, you can get like a tag or permits to shoot kangaroos. Then every now and then there'd be an organized cull because they let them get so far out of control that they eat the ground down to dust pretty much.

Then they lay around and die a slow death of a couple of months because they lose nutrition. They're weak and they don't move, and obviously it's a very painful way for them to go. Once it gets to that point, it seems like they're like, oh, we need to do a cull now. And all it is is we've spoken about these people before, the greenies, you know, these people that really don't have a good picture on it

and see that a cull or a hunting program is actually better welfare for the animals because they stay healthier and in check. Well, yeah, they don't have any predators, essentially. Exactly, yeah. Some places have got wild dogs or dingoes, but that's about it. Yeah, and how many dingoes can take out a kangaroo? Those kangaroos get pretty goddamn big. Yeah, they do.

They take them out. They try and take down buffalo and stuff. Do they really? Yeah, I don't think they're very successful. They'd pick off a pig or a piglet or something like that instead. Man, you know, it's just, I just don't understand why they would not try to keep the crocodiles in check if you've seen hundreds and hundreds of crocodiles like that because what are those things going to eat?

What's going on here, Jamie? Oh, this is in Malaysia. A croc showed up in front of somebody's shop, and they were trying to get rid of it, and they apparently don't know how. These people have helmets on. Why the hell? Why do they have helmets on? Maybe they're going to hate about it.

This guy's got a gaff. Why do they have helmets on? Maybe they're going to headbutt it. Take this. This guy's got a gaff. What is he going to do here? He's trying to throw a tarp on it so they can get it out of there. Oh, Jesus Christ. It's like a bad idea. This is hilarious. They're all wearing camo.

But why are they wearing red camo? There might be the firemen, I think, it looks like. Come on. There's a fire truck right there. But why do firemen wear camo? What are they blending into that's got red in it? That's a uniform, you think? Probably a fire uniform.

That's why they got their helmets on. But that helmet looks like a motorcycle helmet. Hey, it's a different country. It's a different stuff. Captain Diversity over here. Jamie Vernon. Look how big that is. That's a good-sized croc, yeah.

He's a big fucker, and he's got his mouth open too. He's like, bitch, I'll kill you all. They're scary, eh? Oh, they're so different. Like I grew up when I was, not when I grew up actually, but I lived there for three years. I lived in Gainesville, Florida. And when I lived there, alligators were protected. They used to be protected.

And we used to go to this place called Lake Alice and we would throw marshmallows into the water and the alligators would come up and eat the marshmallows. But then they started snatching people's dogs. I remember this one lady freaked out and wanted to snatch her dog, just pull it right off her leash, and she was freaked out. And that started happening more and more. And then the population got denser and denser. At one point in time, they were endangered. Now they're infested.

Now there's so many alligators that they have that. You ever see that show Swamp People? Yeah, yeah. That show where they go hunting for alligators, which, you know, people make purses and shoes and shit out of them they get 500 tags yeah 500 so they can chew 500 fucking alligators yeah just to keep the population healthy and the food is apparently very good like the tail meat is apparently delicious i think benny o'brien was um just down there somewhere maybe a month back oh yeah and they're down there there, and they must set a line and hook them and harvest them,

and they'll take a heap of meat. Obviously, the leather off the skins and things like that. The leather off the skins, the meat is very good. Dudley hunts them. He bow hunts them. Yeah. Every year, he goes to Orlando, outside of Orlando. I'd like to.

It'd be pretty cool. It'd be pretty cool. Well, they taste good, too. And it's a conservation thing, too, because it's like you really do need to control their populations. Yeah, Australia needs to get to that point. What's happening now is they're pushing into domestic waters, you know, like Darwin, the cities, like build around, you know, a big river inlet or a big water system. And guys will go swimming there and get taken all the time you know or

people's dogs jump in they get taken i think i've seen a video i don't know if it was in darwin or where it was but um some ladies filming and then you just see the back of a croc go under like a jetty and then the face of the croc comes out and it's got a full-size domestic dog in its jaws have you seen that. Imagine seeing that. How creepy is that? It was swimming in like a river system. It seems like some sort of aqueduct or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Crazy own. Big dog, dude. And they're just, everyone's like, you know, everyone talks about if there's a big foot. Oh, this is the one. That's it. Yeah. Oh, Jesus Christ. Look at the collar on it. God, that thing is so big. Like fluffy. this is the one. That's it. Yeah. Oh, Jesus Christ. Look at the color on it.

God, that thing is so big. Like fluffy. That is a monster. Just straight up. I mean, what are they like? I think they're more than 30 million years old. Yeah. I don't think they've changed in 30 plus million years.

I think they just look at everything as potentially food. Yeah. And that's where the risk is. And it's the same with a big grizzly bear, you know. They just look at everything as either danger, so they feel threatened and want to attack it, or it's food. Have you ever seen Jim Shockey's show? You know, that show Uncharted that he does? Yeah, I have, yeah.

Jim Shockey's Uncharted, one of the ones, he went to Africa. And I think it was the Congo. I think it was the Congo River. Is that the Congo River? I don't know. Anyway, it was a river. And this native population that lived there, these villagers, they lived right on the riverbanks. And they were just getting taken left and right by crocodiles.

Everyone in the village had, like, an arm missing or a chunk cut out of their head. Is this it right here? Jim Shockey? It's over in Mozambique. Mozambique. There we go. Thank you. And Jim Shockey is just amazing.

Yeah. But these things, look at what they got here. One of them was feasting on some sort of an animal. Look at these guys. They all have like a stump where their arm is and there's Jim. And so they wanted to bring in professional hunters to try to help control the population because they were actively targeting the people that live there and these people I mean they live in a very

small very primitive village and all they have is the water I mean that's that's where they're getting their water from which turn it off is about to fucking make the kill shot. The YouTube glitch was fucking with me. Oh, really? It kept flashing. What is that? I needed to refresh it. It was just a thing that happens on YouTube from time to time. On the computer or normal? Just normal? Yeah, just the browser. It's just the poor

people that live there. You've just got to imagine if this is your only place. These people aren't traveling. They don't have cars. They're not flying anywhere. This is where they live. They have to build these sort of fences around these little tiny bays. They build these small makeshift fences to try to protect themselves from the crocodiles when they clean their food or gather water or wash their clothes. Who wants that risk every day?

This is one of the reasons why I do these radical hunts, because it makes you realize how good we've got it, right? Yeah. Like we just go to the tap and turn the tap on, we get water. Or if you want to shower or a bath, it's in the comfort of your own house. These people are just trying to get water to drink, and they could get snatched, or people have been snatched. Isn't that ridiculous?

Oh, yeah. And that's their life, and there's no other life they know. Their ancestors have been there, their grandparents have they know. Their ancestors have been there. Their grandparents have been there. Their fathers have been there. Their mothers. And now them. And this is life.

Yeah. That's why anytime someone complains about Australia or living in the U.S. or whatever, it's like, dude, fucking take a look at what you've got. So easy. Isn't it crazy? It's so crazy. I mean, I was watching your Instagram feed when you were taking water out of this buffalo wallow and throwing it through a filter yeah and put it in now i was a bit concerned about that because i like when i looked into the filter just see if

you can find that video is that on your instagram it might be still live on the instagram oh no it's on normal it's on normal instagram oh it's on's on normal. Go to see if that way we could see it. So to start, as I moved probably 200 buffalo off that water hole and like a couple of mobs of pigs that were all like, they go right out into the water and try and cool off. There was at least one big saltwater crocodile in there as well. But I'm walking out there with that bag to collect water. Are you by yourself?

Yeah, I'm by myself here, yeah. Jesus Christ. Sleeping in a little cloth house? Yeah, there was other guys back in camp, but I was? Yeah, I'm by myself. Jesus Christ. Sleeping in a little cloth house. Yeah, I was having guys back in camp, but I was just out on the hunt by myself. Is that it? Is this it? This is pretty new. I don't know if it was ordered. Yes. I think it's it.

Yeah, here I am. Barefoot, walking up to the water with this pump. I mean, look at this water. There's a big freaking buffalo turd sitting right there in the water that's all through the water yeah so this is what you do do you not drink and then freaking dehydrate and die out there but you're drinking turd water yeah but that's why i hope the filter works now how do these filters work? How does that? Well, they claim to filter out 99.99999% of all the germs and bacteria.

It's that.00001 that's going to fuck you up, though. Yeah, or something on the edge of the bag that runs down, you know, that's probably going to get you. How often do you get beaver fever when you do this? I've never been sick from drinking water out in the bush or eating what's any of the meat or anything like that everybody i've ever talked to that spends time in the bush get sick how have you not gotten sick i don't know same with my buddy andrew eucles and he seems like a pretty hearty dude and he's like oh so have you had this and i'm like no have you had this i'm like no have you had this i'm like no he's like i nearly died from this i'm like what I've had none of those.

And I've drank, there was one time I was so desperate for water, this is going back to when I was like 18 or 19. Actually looks all right. It looks pretty good. Just the taste after filtering the water tastes. Like piss? Like piss. And I'm like, shouldn't the filter. Take the taste out?

Yeah, shouldn't it? Because the taste is obviously from something. But it's still piss. It's still piss. But it's probably actually really good for you. Drinking piss is good for you? Drinking that water piss is good for you. Do you put like...

I see you got a Mountain Ops bottle. Do you put like some like flavoring in there? Yeah, just to mask it a bit. I think I'd run out at this point. That was like 27 kilometer hike that day. So you just deal with the taste. You deal with it and you know what you're that thirsty that it doesn't nearly bother you at the time well when you did that epic hunt up here in cal in um we were you started in colorado right and then you went to idaho idaho but i didn't actually hunt idaho i crossed through idaho into the back

of montana yeah trying to find a spot with limited hunters and more elk. And we were all following you on Instagram story. That was a tough hunt. There was heaps that I left out of it. And I'm like, I'll just save this for Joe. Like what? Well, I got really sick. Like, there was just liquid coming out of frigging every spot I could.

Do you think you got sick from water or something? I don't want to admit that. Yeah, you just said you never got anything. Because a couple of people wrote me messages and like, that's a good way to get sick. And I'm like, oh, I've done this heaps. It's fine. What did you do?

Did you drink right out of the ground? I actually ate some jerky that had been, I left it in the tent and the tent got really hot. Like the start of the hunt, the heat was soaring, you know, and the jerky went a bit sweaty and that in the bag. But I was starving, so I'm like, I'm just going to eat it. And then it was nearly like two hours later that I was like, yeah, I don't feel real good.

But I've never been tent bound in my life and I'm just like, no, just keep hunting, don't worry about it. So this is bad. I probably shouldn't say it, but I literally hunt for five minutes and have to pull my strides down, you know, and then go number twos and then walk for another five minutes

and be like, oh, fuck, you know, and pull my strides down again. So you just shit your brains out for a couple of days? Oh, dude. How many days? Two days. I think that's because I lost 17 kilos. I reckon I lost 10 of them in them couple of days.

Wow. Yeah. What's that in pounds? 17 kilos. That's a lot of pounds. 35-ish. You lost that much weight? Yeah.

My pants were falling off me, dude. Wow. Like literally falling off me from being tight on my waist to falling off me. So this is because you were hiking every day? Yeah, just hiking every day. I hiked over 400 miles all up. 414 miles i think it was all up 22 days that's so crazy that's limited food and um you know maybe that bad

jerky helped as well but i'm like so i'm gonna start a weight loss program burt kreischer my friend burt i did a yoga with today he's obsessed with you he's like adam cringe he's gonna be on the podcast i heard him well kim sent me a link and He's like, Adam Crenshaw's going to be on the podcast. I heard him. Well, Kim sent me a link and she's like, you should listen to this podcast. And I listened to it. And he's like, I feel like I could be friends with that dude. And I'm like, yeah, we can be friends. Then he put frigging on Instagram

some dude trying to milk his nipples. We can't be fucking friends. But he's won me back over because he's done that hilarious video of you dancing the dial oh yeah yeah we did our uh 13th he and i did our 13th yoga class today and ari and tom are on number 14 two more to go for me one for those those two guys that's awesome we're at the home stretch that's a good effort yeah nothing compared to 28 days in the bush yeah it was good i loved it i missed a lot of things like it makes you realize you know like i said how lucky we are just to have a life

and and i've always been the person that doesn't take anything for granted anyway but it's just that you know it really rings home you know the simple things so you just just went out there like you didn't necessarily have a good area that had been scouted out? No, I definitely didn't have a good area, but I met a real nice young dude. He actually messaged me through Instagram, and at the time I could hardly get to any messages. But anyway, it was one that I read, and he's like, look, while you're in this unit, he picked what unit I was in. He's like, come over to this area. I've hunted it for pretty much my whole life, and there's a few good bulls there.

He's like, come over to this area. I've hunted it for, you know, pretty much my whole life. And there's a few good bulls there. And the first day or the second day that I was in there, I seen three really good bulls. And that's what kept me there because I kept thinking I'm going to find them bulls again. And they just cleared off. They just moved out of the area. The whole idea of hunting Colorado was because last year I had a couple of issues with grizzlies in Montana.

And doing it solo, I'm like, you're a dickhead if you do that again because you've got three young kids and a beautiful wife. Like, it's a big risk to take. Like, I take risks, but that's one that's out of my control, you know, a grizzly going, yeah? Yeah. And so I kept trying to avoid that area. And then when I wasn't finding bulls, so I ended up moving out of Colorado, went to Idaho and walked into the back of Montana

where there's supposed to be less grizzlies, and that's where I got charged by a grizzly. There's a lot of grizzlies in Montana. Man, it's crazy. They're out of control, too. They're just friggin' like the crocs on dry land. You saw grizzlies in Colorado, though. I did, yeah. This is a disputed thing.

I've copped so much flack over that. Now, you're positive that these were grizzlies? 100%. Now, why would... There's black bear in the same area. Right. And I nearly could do the comparison because there was a black bear there and there was a grizzly there. I'd seen the black bear first and I'm like, oh, there's...

And you'll see the video, like, oh, there's a black bear over there. That's pretty cool. She's got cubs, so I just want to try and avoid her. Then looking at this other bear, and i've seen grizzlies before this thing's a completely different beast there's no mistake in the two it's not like uh that's just a uh that's a young looking grizzly that might so now it looks like a big black bear no it's a friggin massive grizzly and compare it to a massive black bear there's still a massive height difference and everything.

The big raked up shoulders, the big square head. Did you have a spotting scope with you? No, I didn't. I just had my binoculars. And 10-42s? 10 by 42s, the Mavens, yeah. Yeah, so... The same ones you all got.

You got a good look at it? Oh, awesome look. But at that point, I just figured, oh, shit, there is grizzlies in Colorado. Just a couple of people that told me, oh, you won't see grizzlies there, just didn't know the area right. So I didn't think much of it. So I did the little film through the binos and stuff like that.

I'm like, there's a big mama grizzly up there. She's got cubs. I definitely want to stay away from her. Then I wanted to haul my ass out of that because that's in a basin. I wanted to haul my ass out of that basin and not sleep in that basin for the night. So I moved on pretty quick, got to the top of the ridge, looked at her again. She was feeding along.

I'm like, cool. Then slept on the other side of the ridge, then come back through there in the morning, spotted her again in the morning, kept walking out of there. Then I got reception again, and then I had a heap of messages. There's not supposed to be any grizzlies in Colorado.

I'm like, fuck. I just blew it off as in, oh, there is grizzlies here. Shit, these guys got it wrong. Not that it's a massive big deal and that there's not supposed to be at all. No one wants to admit that they are there. Is it that no one wants to admit it, or is it you are deep into the backcountry? Yeah, that as well. There's a limited

amount of people there's been multiple sightings in the area i don't want to say the area because next year i'm going to go back and document it with a decent camera and everything like that to try to get it some video yeah try and get some real good evidence and stuff like that so i haven't really spoken about it a lot since then because i just got pounded with messages going there's no grizzlies in Colorado, you idiot. Well, don't you want to tell like wildlife biologists or someone? They apparently, they already know and they don't want to admit it because of the whole protected species act and everything like that.

Well, what does that mean though? Why wouldn't they want to admit that there's bears there? I think it might be a pain in the ass. I don't know. I don't understand. I don't know, but I'm keen to get to the bottom of it. You know what sort of person I am. I ain't giving up on person i am giving up on this next year i'm hiking back in there again and uh i'm gonna try and get some yeah good evidence but it seems to me that they would

want i mean i don't understand why they would want to deny the existence why no even though i but a lot of people are saying there's actually um i think there's a website where it takes in um people's sightings and stuff like that and all the sightings and the last grizzlies known in colorado are all in this mountain range that probably gives a lot of it away was it san jose san jose mountain range it is yeah yeah oh it's out there now but no it's massive like it's a huge mountain range i'm not too worried all the last sightings were there worried. All the last sightings were there. I think the last sightings were in the 80s, maybe the early 90s. There was grizzlies there.

And when you look at a map and you look at the range, it'd be nothing for them to be there still. Or new ones walk in there. There's grizzlies in Wyoming, right? Yeah. And that's connected. Yeah. So of course they're probably there.

Why do they think they're not there? I don't know. You get up there and you have a look at this mountain range and it's just 100% grizzly country. Oh, look at that. That one there, I'm not. The last credible sighting occurred in 2006 near an independent pass. Officials investigated but found nothing. The 1979 bear had cubs that are likely dead.

Hmm. Is that a bear right there that they got on camera? That's obviously a grizzly. Yeah, you could tell the difference. I saw one in Alberta. I've only seen one. See that grizzly there, if that is a grizzly? Yeah.

This thing that I've seen towers over that. Like, we're talking about a fully mature mother grizzly bear. So you're talking about, like, a 10-foot bear? Yeah, just a huge bear. Like, there's no mistake in it. This thing would, when she was walking, you could see, like, she's out here it this thing would when she was walking you could see like she's out here like this you know like she had when they get big and mature you'll see they've got like a silver back on them like a like a gorilla you know they've got this silver back on them like

this it's like the last part of the hair goes silver she's that she's the right color the right shape the right size and everything so so you only saw her and her cubs, or you saw more? Her and her cubs. And then the other one, there's a photo of another one. That's just a cinnamon black bear, and I think a few people got confused, and that's probably on my end from, I just posted a story about a grizzly, and then I had these other bear shots. That's a grizzly.

From 2011, it says, actually. Steamboat Springs. Yeah. Okay. That's Colorado, right? I nearly look at that as a cinnamon phase black bear. I might be wrong. Can you make that larger, Jamie?

It's as big as it gets. Hmm. That might be a grizzly bear. Yeah, it could be. But yeah, you might be right, though. That could be a color phase brown bear, or a black bear, rather. It could be. Just looking at it.

If it's a younger grizzly then maybe not but you know she just had this freaking massive head dude like flared out like this you know the big ridge on the back and it'd be interesting if adam green tree was the one who proved that they're from australia yeah grizzly bears in colorado but the the point is there's very few people that are going deep into these mountain ranges. Like how far back were you from the trailhead? Well, so I rode a really rough trailhead on a mountain bike for so far. Then that trail pretty much disappeared out to nothing. Then I hiked a full, must have been seven hours because she was like just before you know sundown so it would have

been a good seven hours in the back then and that's because there was no elk that's going non-stop you know and if you watch the video i run a lot of it because it was just what i call dead country you know there was not not really good looking hunting country so you'll see me sort of trotting along most of it so it was a long way back there was no human footprints up there there was nothing like that 10 miles 15 miles probably yeah 16 miles i think it was so the odds of people going back there on a regular basis are probably pretty slim very slim yeah so they probably just don't know and that's right that's one of the issues that apparently they're dealing with in BC. In BC, when you talk to the people that live there versus the people that are – you know how BC has banned grizzly hunting? Yeah.

The people that live in BC are terrified of that now. Yeah. Because they're like, we have to control these goddamn things. What they say, the people that I know that live up there, they say the wildlife biologists are rarely here. They say, the people that I know that live up there, they say the wildlife biologists are rarely here. Yeah. Like they need, and the hunters, the people that live up there, the outfitters, it's like you need to take like some sort of a census from us. They're the people on the ground.

Yeah, that's right. Yeah. And the way they describe it is like, there was a, Gritty Bowman did a podcast about this with one of the guys that lives up there that's an outfitter. And he was saying, we encounter them all the time and they're hyper aggressive. Yeah. Like you're talking about people, these biologists that are rarely there. There's not like any like really involved, intricate census that they're doing

where they're really in-depth accounting of all the bears. It's like, you got to get information from the people that live there. And if you do, they're going to tell you. There's a lot of them. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they're not to tell you. There's a lot of them. Yeah, yeah. Well, they're not smart enough to control themselves, right?

Because a lot of these people just want to sit back and just let these animals do what they want to do. That's the idea they want to do in BC. They think that what they can do is, I mean, this is speculation, but they think that what they can do is let the, instead of let the people control the predators they think let the predators eat all the game that they can and then when they don't have enough food their populations are naturally going to diminish yeah like the idea ain't gonna work what can happen but it could take 50 60 years and the problem is along that you're gonna get a lot of human death get a lot of

get a lot of pets you're gonna get a lot of human death Got a lot of get a lot of pets getting a lot of animals that are gonna invade into farmlands Yeah, it just seems to me that that's not a wise way to handle it No, definitely not and it's also they're gonna have to pay money to kill problem bear. Yeah. Yeah instead of making money But they don't like look this whole Cecil the lion thing I think fucked a lot of people up. You know, people, the idea of some evil person just going over there and shooting some beloved animal, that became the narrative. And everybody sort of has this idea in their head that this is what bear hunting is. It's the same sort of thing.

We don't want that in BC. You know, it really is something that needs to be discussed on both sides. Yeah. And I think both sides have points when it comes to, like, quote-unquote trophy hunting, you know? Yeah. Yeah, I'm definitely not for one or the other. It's not like we want to wipe them off the face of the planet. Of course not.

We just want to see a healthy population. And the people that live around there, a lot of them depend on moose meat and deer meat. And these bear are going to decimate the populations. If they don't control the populations of bear, they will decimate. Something else has got to change. Yeah, they're going to decimate the game population for sure. I actually think the areas that I hunt in Montana aren't overpopulated with grizzlies from what I've seen. They're just populated.

They're just populated. So the place that I end up going into in montana isn't my usual spot you know and there wasn't supposed to be as many grizzlies and that was you would have seen the video where i i walk over the rise and then all of a sudden we locked eyes at the same time and then she in a split second she just comes straight at me and i'll tell the story because heaps of people keep asking but um i'm one of these people that I practice with whatever I'm shooting with. Remember when the 3D leafy suits came out? It was like a camouflaged suit and it had like 3D leaves on it hanging off it.

And I got laughed at because I went to the archery range and shot in it. And the first time I shot in it bow the string of the bow hit the leaves and my shot was off so it's like a ghillie suit yeah ghillie suit like just practice with whatever you're using so my buddy's a sheriff in idaho he's going to lend me a handgun so he lends me a handgun like dude i've never even shot a handgun you just can't get them in australia like that so i want to practice we went out and practice and we practiced with a cheaper bullet you know and it was like a solid solid bullet and it was awesome I picked it up straight away and there was no dramas I was a good shot with it just trying to do a rush shot thinking if a bear ever gets you it's going to be in a rush it's not like this

you know pull it pull the gun out and have a heap of time so I was practicing shooting with one hand and everything like that anyway when it come to going on the hunt he gave me some expensive bullets and they were a hollow point with like a real flat front on it so we never shot those bullets anyway this grizzly charged I pulled the gun out she stopped at 20 meters the first time like I just I stayed stationary I didn't want to do any radical movements but I just yelled at her she stopped at 20 meters she turned back and went to a cub and at this point a cub's just at the base of the tree she got there as soon as she seen that the cub was all right she just come straight back at me again like like massive bear like racing straight at me i had the hand so the handgun's out now because i pulled it out the first time this time she come all the way to 10 meters and i and i'll actually i'll leave this bit out just

for now i'll just tell it how it went and i pulled the gun out i yelled at her again like that she stopped she did a big swipe on the ground spun around went straight back to the cub again so soon as she got back to the cub this time she ran to the side like tried to flank me you know it freaks me out how fast these things can move like like you've seen how fast a deer can get off the mark i reckon a grizzly is faster than a deer and you think of the size of a grizzly and it can still move at the speed of a deer or faster like and she just disappears into this there's all this scrub beside me i can't see so i'm like standing there like like just waiting where's she going gonna pop out because i thought the third time she's gonna she ain't fucking around she's gonna try and kill me the third time right

you know she never showed up and i stayed there for a little while i'm like just start backing up and i that's when i've got the camera out because the other thing i'm fearful of is shooting one and not being able to justify it right because you people go to jail get massive fines so i'm like i want to document this third time that she's coming i'm probably going to pull the trigger i want to document it anyway i back out she sort of stalks along a little bit like watching me and stuff like that then she disappears and i walk away and then i realized the gun's jammed. The gun's been jammed that whole time. And I was like, so if she did come for me, like truly come for me, I was fucked.

Like there was no doubt about that. How was it jammed? What was going on? Those hollow points with the flat face on them wouldn't load up into the chamber of the gun. They hit on the throat of the revolver and won't go up in there. So you never would have gotten off a shot?

I never would have gotten off a shot I would never would have gotten off a shot Oh and then I was thinking when the time that she come to 10 meters because I thought she was gonna jump me it when she Come that time and I was like fuck I'm surprised the gun didn't go off because I'm sure I had the finger on the trigger Like I just remember thinking wait and it happened that fast that I reckon that second time She come at me when she was about the 12 or 11 meter mark, or even when she'd just come past the original mark that she stopped at, 20 meters, I reckon I pulled the trigger and it didn't go off.

And I kept thinking, like, there's a slide lock on the gun, and I kept thinking that was jammed up, and it wasn't at all. So those bullets just didn't fit in that gun? They didn't fit in there. So you never practiced with them at all? So the entire time you were unarmed? Yep, entire time you were unarmed. Yep. Entire time I was unarmed. I bought

bear spray from Cabela's. This is what I mean. It was like the world was fucking out to get me. I bought bear spray from Cabela's and it's the only item the lady didn't put in the bag. And I got it there and I unpacked the bags and I'm like where's the bear spray? Fuck, I don't even have the bear spray. Mate, so I was

either going to, when she was on me, if I even had this chance, I was either going to pull an arrow out of the bow and just try and stab her or, I don't know, or do you lay dead and cop it or what? They say with a female grizzly you just try to lay dead because they're just trying to eliminate a threat to their cubs. I feel like it would be really hard to lay dead when something's scratching you up. Yeah.

I feel like it would just be instinct to try and go back at it you know oh well they're so goddamn powerful so that happened and then i'm like you know what like i've got to hike out of there anyway i'm unarmed so i've got to hike out of there i've got to get bullets from somewhere i might as well go back to the fucking bad grizzly spot you know which at least i know there's elk there, but I've been trying to not do it. What caliber gun is this? .45. Okay, so it's a good gun. Yeah. But the drama started way before then because I'm like,

if I'm going to do this hunt, I want to have someone with me, like a hunting buddy. I'm not going to do that one solo anymore. Because of the grizzlies. Because of the grizzlies. So I invited Shane Dora in, our buddy Shane. He was coming and then the tags in Montana got really hard to get so he couldn't get a tag.

Then I was going to have Under Armour film the hunt, but they found out they couldn't film in a wilderness area so they couldn't be there. And I'm just like, I'm just destined to go there by myself. And it was like I already knew some shit was going to go down. You know, it was like everything kept pushing me in that direction. No, go back to Montana. You'll be right.

You know, you're just going to encounter a grizzly. That's it. Put this thing in front of your face. Don't put it by your neck. There you go. Hello. Much better. There you go.

I think I might have been like this when I started the show. And now I've just come back up. I think you're freaking out. That's what's going on. I think I'm trying to get tall because I'm talking about grizzlies and trying to look big. I'm getting goosebumps just hearing you talk. I'm trying to get tall because I'm talking about grizzlies and trying to look big. I'm fucking getting goosebumps just hearing you talk. I'm getting nervous.

I watched a video probably a week ago, and it was just not of an attack or anything. It was just of a big grizzly, and I had all them feelings rush back to me. Like, I had a full adrenaline rush and everything, dude. Like, my body was full pumping. And to the point I was starting to feel uncomfortable. I'm like, fucking, what's going on? I'm like, fuck. It was just that gri to feel uncomfortable. I'm like, fucking what's going on? I'm like, fuck. It was just that grizzly video.

I'm thinking about that grizzly running at me. I could see her as clear as day still coming at me. I remember seeing her shoulders moving, dude, as she was just racing. I can just remember seeing her shoulders pulsating and all of her hair moving. Yeah. Fuck that... Yeah. Fuck that. Yeah. Did you... Rinella just released a podcast, two podcasts in a row.

They got charged by a big male grizzly on Kodiak. They'd killed an elk, not on Kodiak, a fognak. Yeah. I've seen Remy's videos. Yes. So, yeah. They just did a podcast, two podcasts in a row.

And they shot an elk. And the Fognac Islands, they have Roosevelt elk, which is a very large elk. And they're the biggest Roosevelt elk. So, it's a huge animal, like 1,400 pound animal. And it's crazy thick brush.

And they're packing this thing out. It took forever, right? So, they shot it. When they left some of it there they went back to go get the the elk and a grizzly bear had obviously claimed they didn't know and they were hanging around eating sandwiches they didn't have their guns out nothing and the bear just came running in just charged into all of them um one of the guys uh dirt myth wound up riding on the back of the bear it is a fucking crazy story and they're talking about just a giant bear 10 11 foot grizzly bear this you know when people are like oh do you believe in big food and stuff like that we don't fucking

have to there's a real live monster yeah but we're just used to seeing it we call it a grizzly bear yeah okay it fucking can eat you oh it eats everything it eats everything they're just savage dude they're so big yeah i don't think people understand how big they are i i haven't seen a big one in the u.s in the wild but i saw a small one in alberta in the wild and it scared the shit out of me oh the one that was on my elk carcass last year and we spoke about it on last year's podcast i remember thinking its face is bigger than my whole torso dude yeah and and i'm just like like that should be mythical but it's fucking not it's it's living here right now and and there's states that are protecting them yeah like holy shit.

Yeah, they want to help the populations grow. I think your vote would change really quickly about protecting them if it fucking ate your dog or one of your kids or tried to eat you. Yeah. I think people, it would be very hard to get people to vote if it killed a dog. Yeah. Because people go, well, you know, they were here first. It's when they start getting into, you know, our friends up in Alberta, John and Jen Rivett,

they sent me some pictures recently of some bears that had moved into the area. Yeah, because they've been pushed out of their good area by grizzlies, right? Yeah, there's a lot of grizzlies. A lot of grizzlies up there. And apparently they're talking about having some sort of a season on them because people are encountering them

on a more frequent basis. But again, that area where they live up in Alberta is just so dense. The woods, it's so dense. Trying to figure out how many bears are there, where the bears are. So that's a good system when they put that time and effort into finding the numbers. Like this is why the American system is the best hunting system I've ever come across. like this why the American system is the best hunting system I've ever come across because we so you do a numbers check and then you release the tags for what can be taken out of the population to keep the population healthy still

it's all done by wildlife exactly yeah there's a heap of revenue there it's an awesome system you know well billions of dollars a year you come from hunting revenue in this country that go to wildlife preservation, that go to conservation of habitat. Backcountry Hunters and Anglers has a great website where all this stuff is detailed. Rocky Mountain Elk Federation does a similar thing. They have just the detailed numbers on how much money goes into conserving these areas and even repopulating these animals into other areas. Yeah, yeah. It's a brilliant system.

So, you know, but there has to be that two sides because you can't go fully one way or fully the other. Because if it goes fully one way and we try and frigging wipe them out, no one wants that. Right. So there's got to be that middle ground there where I think what we say the greenies fight for as well, you know, what we say the greenies fight for as well you know and then it's like well we you know we can afford to shoot you know 200 of those grizzly bears out of the 10 000 that live there or whatever it is crazy numbers then that's the system we want so it's healthy populations of game every every single year for generations to come healthy populations of game and making sure that these giant predators don't encroach on civilization. Yeah, that's the thing.

It's like keeping them out. Once they start wiping out all the moose and all the deer and all the elk, they're going to move towards people. People need to understand that this is not a game. You don't encounter them in Santa Monica, right? So people are like, you know, you assholes, you're just trying to kill animals. That's not what these people are doing. You don't understand. Not exactly, yeah.

Like you could tell them i mean maybe if they maybe they've heard you like be around them and understand what the fuck this is this is a giant 1500 pound monster yeah that doesn't think like oh that dude that i'm gonna eat might have kids they're just thinking food yeah but i've got a hole in my stomach and i want to fill it the greenies would say well that elk you kill those kids too man why aren't these greenies out there petitioning against fucking lions killing shit why aren't they yeah right why aren't they like lions are killing shit we were just talking we're just part of the food chain as well dude we're part of this whole system courtney DeWalter on the podcast, I was talking to her about, you know,

people occasionally when they're running these trails, they're running the mountain lions. We were talking about this lady who lives in Malibu, has an alpaca farm. A mountain lion got into alpacas, killed 11 of them, and a goat just wiped them out. Just fucking decimated the population. That was frill killing. And so this lady

got a depredation permit to kill the mountain lion, and she got all these death threats from people. Yeah, right. But it's always like, do you understand that this mountain lion is killing animals too? Too, yeah, yeah, yeah. Way more animals than this lady wants to kill. I can't understand it. Well, it's not logical.

It's just emotional. I think a big part of the problem with –, there's two, two parts of the problem. One, a lack of real wilderness exposure, like real time in the woods, understanding what this whole ecosystem is really all about, because it's just a predator prey ecosystem. And when a hunter goes into that, you're really just dipping your toes into the wild world for a little bit. Yeah, exactly. And the other part of it is movies.

All these fucking bear movies where the bears are your friends they talk to each other and all these anthropomorph yeah anthropomorphization movies you know whether it's bambi or whether you know yeah there's no realism in there whereas if you go out into the woods and see yourself you know it's a much better understanding and a much better experience for the way more people get exposed to these movies where the bears talk yeah and they're your buddy then get exposed to an actual charge from a fucking mama grizzly bear like you did yeah yeah it's crazy nobody wants to kill those bears i mean that's not what we're saying i didn't even i didn't look at that

mother grizzly and be like i want to shoot you if you look at the video you'll actually hear me going i really don't want to shoot this bear like she's just doing what her instinct tells her yeah i'm not even cranky at her but i don't want to fucking die right so that's a terrible way to die too that'd be a horrible way to die a jaw the size of this table closing down on you wouldn't be good yeah well they're gonna open up a season apparently on them near Yellowstone. Yeah, okay. Because we're having too many situations. Yeah.

More and more bears. Yeah, that's roughly the area that I'm near, and that's where they release a lot of the problem bears. Oh, they do? That's where they do, yeah. They release problem bears there? But then so I went to an area that they didn't release problem bears, because I never see a female grizzly where I usually hunt in Montana.

They're all males or lone animals at least and i can't tell and the males are less likely to charge well it seems like it yeah it seems like the males well if a male charges you is to eat you yeah because you know i yelled at that one on my carcass last year and he wanted to go the other way and he did he ran off and freaking disappeared and it's's interesting because Montana does not have a bear season. So these are not animals like Alaska bears avoid people like the plague. Exactly, yeah.

Because they're afraid of being shot. Yeah, so he like ran off. I think I only yelled out, oy to him, you know, that one last year and he disappeared. This female grizzly that was running at me, I was calling her a fucking mole

and everything, mate. A mole? What's a mole? I knew that was an Australian word. What does that mean? Like a bitch? So me and my buddy Andrew Ookles, I've just spent the last week with him in the Arnhem Land in the Northern Territory.

He'd just be sitting in the vehicle driving along and it's all quiet and peaceful. And then he would just come up with something weird like, you know, if you had to bring any actor back from the dead to hunt with you for a week who would it be i'm like fuck i need some time to think about that but um then i come up with one because i'm like he's coming up with all this shit i'm gonna come on one i'm like over this trip we just need to come up with real australian things sayings that aren't getting used anymore and mine was like tada like do you have that one like if you say bye to someone instead of saying bye you just

say tada oh i'm fucking getting blanks is like a magician would say tada no no it's like tada like as in see you later no tata for now what about hooray hooray hooray no just as in hooray bye no oh no hooray is like victory okay well mole is like um calling someone a bitch or a skank a mole you got skank yes yeah got a lot of skanks yeah so she's running at me i'm like fucking ease up your fucking mole you know and she's like where the fuck is this guy from that's probably why she didn't eat you yeah she was from here she didn't even say this but i imagine she was thinking i don't speak english she's probably like he's probably like he doesn't even know what a bear is this is a dummy he's just living around kangaroos and shit no i've never heard of a mole before yeah right is it mall like a mall of america m-o-l-e mole. I get it. Yeah, but I think it's more of like mole on your face.

He's brought it up. M-O-L-L. Slang. Slang term. Two different. Okay, only Australia. Australia and New Zealand. Oh, and the United States.

Usually a pejorative or self-deprecating for a woman of loose sexual morals. Oh, shit. A bitch. I said bitch. Slut or a prostitute. Damn, no wonder she was pissed off. Wow. Mole. Damn, no wonder she was pissed off. Wow. Mole.

Mole, yeah. That's probably like some old shit from America that we gave to you a long time ago and we abandoned it. Then you guys picked it up. Probably. Probably. So when you went and got bullets. So you went and got bullets for the 45. So then I went and bought bullets, jumped straight back into Montana, but me old spot in Montana.

And then I only had three days at that point to try and, because, you know, I was after a bull elk. And I'd passed up a lot of younger animals and, like, immature animals over that time. But I went from the hot heat to got to my usual spot in Montana and just whited out with snow. Explain that to people too. For people that aren't hunters, it is very important if you want to consider the overall health of the herd. You always want to shoot the older, mature animals because those are the ones that are bred. And they've passed on their genetics. And it also improves the health of the herd because then the younger males would's right would probably get killed by the bigger

males or have the potential of getting killed in combat when they clash and that's the whole reason if people don't know why they have antlers to fight yeah exactly yeah i think my my biggest thought in that is i just want to shoot an animal that's lived its life you know like like look if i'm desperate for meat don't get me wrong I'll shoot a spike or a cow or whatever, but I'm not desperate for meat in that point of survival, you know. So I just feel a lot better if I shoot an animal that I'm like, it's lived its life, you know. And then the byproduct of that is you get a bigger animal, so more meat.

You know, you get a set of antlers, which is, to me, a memory. It's not like about, I don't cut the head off and just walk out of the antlers. Of course. I've got a trophy, and I think a lot of people think that. For me, it's a way of respect. Just ignorant people. Yeah, it's a way of respecting the animal to me. So it's a funny thing, but yeah, just shooting a big old, and that's why I passed a lot of younger animals.

I had opportunities. There was one day I was right on the edge of this, like, it was like a cliff, but there was a rock that went out over the cliff, like a bit of a pinnacle. And I was actually on the pinnacle and I had this bull straight below me. And he was like, I think he was, he was 30 something meters, but because you're shooting down, it's like, you know, the range finders say and shoot at that 16 or 17 meters. And he was just laying there, had no idea I was there um but just a younger bull you could see it in his face and his body and just his antlers so but it felt good to be there and then be like no i'm back out and then it was that afternoon i think that that

grizzly went me so you know i had opportunities to shoot bulls but i pretty much went 21 days without an opportunity where i'm like this is the ball that i'm going to shoot you know and i'm getting into the zone yeah that's the thing that people i think on the outside don't understand or appreciate is that it's not just about getting meat it's also about getting a mature animal and it's also about getting a mature animal because they're way more difficult exactly yeah they're way smarter they've been through seasons you know they're just heaps more switched on you know they're they're a lot smarter so you want to it's like going into a fight like you don't want to go into a fight with someone that's never done kickboxing you're the champion kickboxer

like that's ridiculous like where's the challenge in that how are you gonna be better at doing what you're doing if you're just fighting the fight that you know you're always gonna win yeah and then i say it very early in that trip i'm happy to go home without a bull but i'm not happy to give up on day three or four or sit around camp and then go home without a bull i want to bust my ass you know i want to get to the point where i say to myself and i did it multiple times on this trip, what the fuck are you doing? Like, give up. This is too hard, you know.

I want to get to that point, wear myself right down, because I feel like that's the most you ever grow, you know, in any sort of hardship. But, you know, it's like freaking Cam Haynes running this. Like, you know he's just going to find a longer marathon next time. Well, that's what Courtney was saying, that they're considering a 500-mile run. 500 miles. I can't even fathom that, dude. Yeah, I mean, how many days would that take? I can't even fathom going without sleep.

That's like six, seven days. That's probably like a week. It's probably going to be a week of running. Yeah. So it's just you're always upping it, you know. Like, I've got to pull back a little bit now. Like that's about the maximum that I'll do. How many did you do?

28 days? I did 22. 22. Yeah. But it was a lot longer without the family because, you know, the flight's here and the flight's back. Right. And I was with Yeti and I went, well, I did the whole Yeti thing

and went to the Innovation Center and hung out with Yeti for like a couple of days. Me and Benny O'Brien went down to West Texas, hunted some axis deer. I went bass fishing. So there was like, there was like a week and a half on that trip that probably a lot of people didn't realize that I'm without my kids and family, you know. That's the hard bit. I could go and live out there like a freaking hermit, but I've got family and I freaking love them and I miss them, dude.

You know what I mean? I'm saying to Kim, I'm like, you fuck this for me because I'm sitting on the mountain like, you know, this is, I'm in my element up there. Like it's out in the middle of nowhere. There's no people. There's no lights. You know, there's just wild animals running around

and I'm sitting on that mountain. I'm like, fuck, I miss Kim. But don't you think that that's one of the reasons why you appreciate them even more? I mean, obviously you appreciate your family so much as it is. But, you know, I said once to Steve Rinella, we did this crazy hunt in Prince of Wales and it rained every day. And we were just drenched where you're inside your tent and the tent, like I turned on my headlamp and there was just water vapor everywhere in the tent like nothing ever dried out your sleeping bags wet your clothes are wet just miserable but when i got home i called him up and i said man i have never felt this good i'm so happy the sun is out and i'm driving and i just feel amazing i feel

like i'm on a drug yeah and i called him up and I go, dude, I've never been happier. Yeah, crazy. Because I was miserable. The more miserable it is, the better. You have to experience some difficulty and some hardship in order to appreciate the good times. Yeah, exactly. I feel like freaking with Kim, it's like we're newlyweds all the time. It's probably because I'm away so much.

But every time I come home, every time I'm away, I thinking about them flat out you know i actually just renewed my vows with kim 15 15 years married 18 years together yeah i think that there's something to that man i mean people you know absence makes the heart grow fonder it's a common expression i think it's totally true and i think that i i don't think life is supposed to be easy i just know it's not i think you're supposed to do some difficult shit but i think the sooner you realize that then it does seem easy like does that make sense it's like the sooner you realize that life's supposed to be fucking tough and if it's not put yourself through some tough shit then the better dude yeah then it's just it right now I feel like I've found the recipe just to be happy as hell.

I've been saying it the last frigging month. Like, I don't want this to happen, but I've been saying to Kim and she sort of gets teared up. Fucking just know I'm happy to die right now. Like, and I really mean that. I'm happy to fucking die right now. I want to see my kids grow and I want to see my kids have kids and i want to spend eternity with that woman but i'm fucking happy to die right now i'm that happy now why do you see why do you think like that because i feel like i've just lived a thorough life already and i've but you still enjoy it i regret yeah i still enjoy it be happy to die

because i'm fucking happy because you're crazy. I ain't doing anything out of the ordinary to fucking die. Right. A little bit, you are. A little bit, but that's just normal. Bears with a fucked up gun. That's just the fucked up gun bit. That's probably not good. Jesus Christ.

Did you get back and tell that dude who gave you the 45? Hey, fuck face. Yeah, yeah. He was freaking. They're the most nicest people. It was Kay and Ed that were in. face yeah yeah he was freaking they're the most nicest people it was k and ed that were in oh really yeah they're the nicest people and i think ed was freaking more than me i'm like it's all good but fuck yeah fuck indeed jesus christ to know that you had the gun you had it out and there was nothing and it wouldn't yeah yeah and then so i had to sleep there that, because I wasn't walking out in the dark.

And the worst thing is, I'm sleeping at the elevation that she's at, and she's only about 400 meters in a direct line from my camp. Oh, Jesus Christ, dude. How did you sleep? Well, so I manually put a shell in the chamber, so I had one shell, and I just fucking, I actually slept really good that night. I don't know if it was adrenaline wearing off and it wore me out more were you convinced that it was going to fire

even with that one shell in the chamber yeah it would have it would have it just wouldn't have loaded up so I couldn't have the magazine in there because it would jam on the bullet but I could drop a shell in there manually and that'd be good to go so you had one I had one bullet yeah rush roulette with bars

not fucking good. I had my knife out that night as well, like sleeping with me and shit like that. How long is your knife? No. Fuck all of it. Three inches? Yeah. Oh, God, dude.

She's probably thinking it's a mosquito bite if it came to her. She's not even going to notice. Nah. They're fucking thick. Their skin is so thick. Yeah. Because they bite each other. Yeah. I watched that Grizzly Man documentary, and one of each other yeah i watched that uh grizzly

man documentary one of the craziest things was watching the two grizzlies fight they were just tearing each other apart biting each other's heads and when it was over it didn't look like anything happened to either one of them would have tore us to shreds a buddy that's had really good experience in northwest territories where you know there's there's black bears and grizzlies living in the same area he's experienced the two fighting and it's never like the black bear going to the grizzly it's always the grizzly running down the black bear he said one swipe from a grizzly bear you know how big a black bear is yeah one swipe from a grizzly bear and the black bear it might be dead but it's fucking disabled mate one swipe so imagine what one swipe from a grizzly would do to us you know there's a picture of cam

haynes and a grizzly that he shot in alaska and he's holding up its paw it's yeah and i think the bear that he shot was like 11 feet tall and he's holding up its paw and the paw is like a fucking dinner plate scary it's like this big yep maybe bigger than a dinner imagine that bitch slap followed by claws dude there it is straight after it yeah look at the size of that thing fuck the paw look at the teeth on that bloke the claws yeah oh no cam's teeth but not again you're obsessed with cam's white teeth. I want them. You could just get that charcoal toothpaste, polish them away. I've got it. It ain't fucking working.

Do you drink coffee? Yeah, I do. I wonder if he drinks coffee too, though. He drinks coffee. Yeah, but his coffee must have bleach in it instead of milk. They are fucking enormous, enormous animals. But like you said, I mean, that really is a real live living monster. Yeah, crazy, eh?

I love that dude there. I'm just having a joke about his teeth. He's a fucking legend. He's the best. Yeah. But, I mean, he, no, John Dudley saw a grizzly bear take out a moose with one swipe. He saw it through a spotting scope. He saw a grizzly bear hit a moose in the back and break its spine.

Break its spine. They just, they hit things. Insane, yeah. They're probably one of the few animals that like hits. Yeah, so what chance have we got? You might, you're a bit meatier than me. No, I'm fucked. You're fucked, dude.

Oh, come on, man. If it fuck a moose, if it breaks the back of a moose, I'll just keep my skull in. Yeah. They're just so big. They're so goddamn big. Frigging living Bigfoot, dude. Fuck Bigfoot.

Right there. Bigfoot's not, Bigfoot's only supposed to be like an eight foot tall monkey. They probably fucking wiped Bigfoot out. Yeah. They probably fucked Bigfoot. Fucked him all to death. This fucking werewolf fucking this gorilla over here on your table. Well, what's crazy is that that's a small bear compared to the short-faced bear

short-nosed bear what was it was that bear that lived in the um i've seen the photo short-faced bear they think they call it yeah which is bigger even than a polar bear bigger than a kodiak bear there's a picture of these guys standing next to a um yeah that's it that's the one holy shit that's scary and that thing had long legs yeah and that thing apparently was so fast and so ferocious that it kept people from crossing the Bering land bridge like that's one of the reasons why they think that people it took so long for human beings to make it to North America it's paws as big as that dude's chest there the bigger dude that is look how much bigger they are as big as that dude's chest there. The bigger dude. Look how much bigger they are than anything else.

There's a grizzly, polar, and then the polar's big daddy. So how long have they been extinct for? I think 10,000 years. Yeah, okay. Find out if that's the case, Jamie. But there's a picture of seven facts about the extinct giant bear. 11,000 years. Go back to that last page you were at, please, and look at that one image.

It's really not that long. The guy up in the right-hand corner, the guy touching the face. Oh, yeah. That's what they used to look like. That's awesome. I mean, god damn it. I mean, that is a monster. That's a monster from Avatar or from Star Wars.

And that's a real animal. They lived alongside people for a long ass time. But see what I mean? If they were just running around in the wild still, we'd just have a normal name for them and it wouldn't be any different because we're used to seeing them, dude. It's like the galaxy. Like you're used to looking out at, say, the Milky Way.

So it's like, oh, cool. Fuck off. Have a think about that. Yeah. That is freaky, dude. Oh, yeah. I've always said that if space wasn't real, like if there was a roof over the world,

but there was one place where you could go, you could see space, everybody would want to take a trip to that spot. Oh, yeah, 100%, yeah. And it's out there for all of us to look at. You just got to get away from some of these shitty lights. Well, you have some amazing pictures. I just put one up.

First man image. Go to first.man.image on Instagram. Adam is not just an amazing bow hunter, but an amazing photographer. I just added one today. Because when you're out there in Arnhem Land, there's no artificial, there's no light pollution for a long long way yeah look at that so if you look closely at that picture so the the orange lights the fire but see the clouds in the background there's a fun just a campfire that we had but if you look behind that

that's lightning in those clouds there so i end up getting the fire the lightning and then the milky way blazing through there god that is an amazing picture man that is amazing isn't it i'm just dude i can't like i'm there and i don't go to sleep till one or two o'clock in the morning because i'm just laying there looking up or taking photos and i'm just like what's out there like how crazy is that that picture is incredible yeah that's incredible beautiful so that's over our heads every night. That's another thing that you just sort of take for granted, you know? Yeah.

And like you said, the light pollution. I mean, we just, we love cities. They're nice. They give you, you know, supermarkets and restaurants and shit, but they also ruin your view of the universe. Totally. It's not worth it. It's not worth it.

Like the trade-off is almost not worth it. Yeah. It's not worth it. Like the trade-off is almost not worth it. Yeah. I feel like we're just all fucking pigs now because we're so, there's so many options out there in food. And I reckon our taste buds have changed and everything. Well, no doubt our taste buds have changed. For sure. Because stuff back then wouldn't be bland.

But if you just ate those real simple items now, it'd be bland as hell. You know, I need sauce on it. I need to i need to put salt i need to do this and yeah you know and then yeah i just feel like we're turning in the frigging pigs because there's so many options for food out there that we just keep shoveling and we just take it all for granted as well 100 but i like it yeah i like it too like we're talking about getting dinner after this like we're gonna go to a restaurant sit down yeah exactly yeah not think about it at all how good is that yeah it's amazing but when i come back from this 22 days dude i was fantasizing over foods i put the 17 kilos straight back on

what were you thinking of just fucking anything like what was but what was the one is there one thing you like as soon as any burger any burger but like a full works burger like a jet burger that's just packed yeah and there's a couple of places that me and kim usually go home and i was just dying like i'm about to salivate sorry like food is so good right both the time spent away and the time in civilization that's the thing is achieving balance yeah it gets getting the balance yeah exactly yeah's the thing is achieving balance. Yeah, just getting the balance. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Because the civilization is awesome. It's great to be able to go to a doctor.

Yeah. And when you get away from all that and you are out in the wilds, then that's you fully realize like, fuck, how good do we have it? Yeah. Like you hop in a car with air conditioning, you drive from point A to point B. B, like, you know, and I always think about how life must have been back in the day. Like, it wasn't driving from point A to point B because that might have taken fucking a week, dude. Yeah. Now you just jump in a car and go.

It's all temperature controlled. You stop at a service station. You get fuel. Fucking, I'm thirsty. I'm going to get a drink while I'm in there. You know, like, that's just one example how crazy it is. Yeah. Now, when you are in the bush, especially when you're in Arden land, you find a lot of pictographs and a lot of these.

Yeah, because there was such a huge indigenous population up there. Well, there still is. But, you know, you're looking at, I put one up the other day. It's a video. It's just in the Insta stories. Jamie won't find it. But me and Eucles are looking at some paintings. And then I look down.

I'm like, there's a whole human remains tucked in the rocks there, wrapped in paper bark, which is a paper bark in America type of tree. Oh, thanks. They call it paper bark because it's like the bark literally rips off it like a soft tissue paper. And so some mobs, like indigenous people, would wrap their dead in that is what the indigenous people call like a group of them well you'd say tribe here yeah you were talking a mob of hogs earlier yeah you said that so mobs a group of um indigenous that's what they call themselves right yeah that's correct yeah yeah and so i don't like the term like tribe or anything right because that's very american for your indians and things like so they they would say say like wouldn't they and they here i wanted to really get into this because

this is some stuff we talked about at my house after we did the podcast last time oh wow look at those pictures that's amazing yeah so they're real beautiful race and they're very i don't know if i'd call them artistic because this just seemed to be what they did you know whether it's their dream time you would have heard about their dream time so whether it's recording their dream time you know um the indigenous would do these these rock arts and uh sometimes they'd be carvings so if you go to like the dampy archipelago in western australia which is in the pilbara region they're all carvings in rock like literally scribed in the rock. And the detail that you'd get, like it's so hard to scribe in a rock,

they'd get this detail in this rock that was just amazing. These are paintings where they'd grind up different stones and get different texture and colours. And see those handprints? Those handprints have been put up, their hands go on the wall and then they spray it out of their mouth. So they make like a liquid form. And essentially it's like uh spray painting you know but they're using their mouth those other ones would be painted on and you see some really crazy things like i reckon that's an emu that white thing if you have a good look at it there's so many

paintings on there that's a picture that i took a couple of years ago now but there's so many paintings on there now that you have to stare at it for a while and then pick a different one out you know and like are these documented so these ones aren't so um i'm one of about two white fellas that have been to this area and uh traditional elder took us there like a traditional owner took us up there she couldn't go up there and the only reason we're allowed in there was because this mob of people, they don't exist anymore. The last of them has passed away, so it was okay to go in there. So to take you into the full story, we had beaten down this bush track for hours and hours.

And we pull up at a little creek system, and she just sort of pointed it out. She said, look, if you go up to the escarpment there and into a cave or whatever, you'll see the artifacts and everything that's up there and this so this is untouched like crazily untouched this spot you know you go in there and it's like a friggin lost city but all natural like rocks just pushed up out of the ground and then you see the mouth of the cave and a couple of paintings on it then you walk into the cave and this cave is 60 70 meters long it's probably 30 centimeters 30 meters wide and the roof's probably uh let's say 10 meters tall and the whole way through this cave systems those paintings like you can't even how'd they even reach the top of

the cave like there's no big rocks or anything sitting around anymore there's still the grinding stones there joe where they're grinding up the different paints you know because that's what they do they they'd grind it up and work it into a paste to paint with that's all still sitting there and there's 30 human remains just sitting in the cave in a like in a pile there as well and uh so the indigenous story goes you know and this might be a part of the dream time i don't want to get this bit wrong but it might be a part of the like a dream time story and how it happened but the dream time story is the kids descended off the from the cave down onto from the escarpment

down onto the flats and the kids were told not to kill any serpents, like don't kill a snake. You know, they were off limits. And the kids go down there and they can't find anything to eat. And they find a serpent, like a young snake. So they grab the snake and they cut its head off and it doesn't die. It keeps squiggling and moving around. And then, so they keep chopping it up. They chop it into little bits and it keeps squiggling around and won't die. They bash it with a rock and it won't die it keeps squiggling around then they throw it in a fire and the fire still doesn't kill it it's just in pain and it's squirming and squiggling around then the

mother serpent you know heard this commotion the kids go back up to the escarpment and into the cave but the mother serpent comes up and there never used to be a creek there and she come up with such a rage that she carved the creek through the land so this is how a lot of their dreamtime stories go and uh so she carved that creek in that were actually camped on she went up she found the people in the cave after finding her her young dead and she lit a fire all the way around them she raced them into the cave and she burned them out and she burned them to death so that you know that's that's the indigenous story the the whitefella story is the indigenous and i'm not saying one's true or one's not true but i'll tell you how the story goes the whitefella story is

that was one of the first cattle stations in the northern territory of australia and the indigenous were picking off cattle to eat you know that and they wouldn't have known any different right it's one of the first cattle stations in the northern territory of australia and the indigenous were picking off cattle to eat you know that and they wouldn't have known any different right it's an animal um and uh the station owners found this out they found out where the indigenous were living and they took them food as a gift but it was all laced with poison and they end up all dying in the cave so you know there's's two versions of the story. Obviously. Yeah.

It's the second one. Yeah, I don't want to say because who freaking knows. Well, I definitely know that a snake isn't going around lighting fires. Probably not. I know what you're saying. You're being respectful. Yeah, if you listen to enough Dreamtime stories, you know, and like they were there for a long time, you know. Yeah. They were so good at hunting because, you know, and that, like, they were there for a long time, you know.

Yeah. Yeah, well, here, they were so good at hunting because, you know, a lot of people say, oh, the Indigenous didn't come up with the bow and arrow. They didn't need to. Like, why invent something you didn't need? They were so good with boomerangs and spears and, you know, the way that they hunted that they didn't need a bow and arrow, you know. It was insane.

So they're a beautiful race, but they're still very young to western society you know um i think we spoke about this last time jamie can you find out how old well when was like the northern territory of australia really pioneered because that's the population of indigenous that we're talking about they've been thrown into this western society you know that we've talking about. They've been thrown into this Western society, you know, that we've come through slowly with, you know, that essentially they're still in the Stone Age because, you know, that's all they needed. Northern Territory in 1825, the area occupied today in the Northern Territory

is part of the colony of New South Wales. It was first settled by Europeans in 1824 at Fort Dundas, Port Essington in 1863. Control of the area was given to South Australia. So isn't that crazy? It's not even 200 years old, dude. That's crazy. Yeah.

And so these people have been there for how many thousands of years before that? Let's look that up too because I don't want to get it wrong. Yeah. And one of the things that you were telling me that I thought was really fascinating, we were just hanging out at my house house was how many different languages they have. Yeah, yeah. There's like, I think there's over 700 dialects. And you could literally have a mob of indigenous

on this part of the mainland and just a little bit further down another mob of indigenous and they wouldn't speak the same language. It says the Northern Territory provides evidence of settlement around 60,000 years ago. I think it's just been blown right out of the water and it's a lot longer than that now. Really? Yep.

Recently? Yep, just recently. Yeah, I remember reading something about that. That's right. What's the date on that? It was like super recently, like a week ago or something. Yeah, so there's now findings to suggest that Egyptians come over at some point, especially these two brothers. And one of the brothers, there's a story that goes, one of the brothers was really sick and, you know, he had to look after him.

And I can't remember how it ends, but, you know, that Egyptians had come here just because of some of the signs that they found. And like, there was like a story noted down on some rocks and things like that so it's really crazy the history behind australia when you think of it like that and when you think of how young it is here it goes aboriginal architectural discovery in how do you say that word kakadu kakadu yep kakadu rewrites the history of australia northern territory aboriginal people have lived in australia a minimum of 65,000 years a team of archaeologists has established 18,000 years longer than it had been proved previously and at least 5,000 years longer than had been speculated by the most optimistic researchers wow crazy huh yeah pretty crazy yeah that's a long fucking time man 65 000 years there's a story about the dampy archipelago

area in the pilbara that's what i mentioned earlier that's right near where i have my business and there's over 70 000 rock arts on the archipelago itself they still don't know the significance of it 70 000 but there's a story that goes the indigenous that lived on the mainland um were so much different than the people that lived on the islands they called them the canoe people or the boat people that if those canoe or boat people ever come near the mainland the indigenous mob that lived on the mainland would clear out of their mate they'd get out of there because they that was so different the way they lived the they spoke, the way they looked was so different that it was like a foreign person to them and they were scared of them. Jesus Christ.

Yeah. It's just amazing how many different dialects. It's insane, isn't it? You were saying that you could just go a couple kilometers away and they spoke a totally different way. Yep, that's correct. And they couldn't understand each other. Nope, they couldn't understand each other. way yep that's correct and they couldn't understand each other nope they couldn't understand each other so so with my business like i've been very fortunate to work closely with a lot of indigenous

people whether it's arnhem land um where i go hunting a lot or it's with my business because in my business i've got a joint venture with an indigenous business owner which is um she's a lovely woman she's awesome and i also have a thing where i employ at least 25 indigenous local indigenous people and i actually usually blow that out to 50 percent at some times which is awesome you know is this a deal that's mandated by a treaty or the government not really the the mining the mining companies that i work for would prefer an indigenous joint venture owner of 25 then what i've taken on is my through myself is just i want the 25 or more indigenous employees as well local indigenous people so i've been i've been close to a lot of them and you hear a lot of their different stories but one of the things is um where my business is the man the sorry the woman

has the say in the relationship everything financial everything like that but just two hours away the man has it's the complete opposite and the man has the say in everything so and like that's just two hours away but anyway some of these indigenous you know have married into you know someone from two hours away like the pilbara region and uh they're always like oh can we move back to like onslow where the where the man gets to say it's really really funny but i'm just like but in my relationship it's whoever's the most fucking pissed off in the day gets to say you're both a little bit of both then so that's interesting

so if they moved then they would switch roles switches and that happens all the time so they just accept it yeah they just accept it wow and the whole tribe agrees yeah that's the whole that never exists in like america it doesn't it probably doesn't run so smoothly there either who knows the other real and it's really hard for a lot of westerners to understand is uh so i'll tell you one story about uh old old kevin traditional owner that i go hunting out on his land he's he's been out on camp with me for, you know, a couple of weeks and he hasn't had anything but water and, like, a bit of red meat that I've shot him and stuff like that

and fish that he's been catching for himself. Anyway, he's got family coming out and he says, you know, gives them a little grocery list that they could bring from town for him. Anyway, they bring out the groceries and, like, and I'm thinking like he hasn't you know he hasn't added anything to really drink or you know he's just had the real basic stuff for a fair while they get there nothing's been taken out of the bags but once they hand it to him they just start reaching whatever he's grabbed out they reach and like

so he got a couple of bottles of coke and all the kids and relatives are drinking the coke and like they leave him with about this much coke he gets a pack of cigarettes all these hands go in they grab cigarettes he doesn't look at them once like he doesn't go to say no like i haven't had a smoke for a couple of weeks or a drink for a couple of weeks doesn't even blink dude or anything just everyone takes and they just leave him with a little bit and i was thinking fuck if that was me i'd be like oi i haven't had freaking'd be like, oi, I haven't had a frigging cigarette for, I don't smoke, but I haven't had a cigarette for a couple of weeks.

Like, ease up. And it didn't bother him one bit because that's how they are. But when one of them has something that he doesn't have, he's quite welcome to reach in and grab whatever he wants as well. They say that was an issue with Native Americans as well, that they didn't understand property. Yeah, yeah, don't understand property and just sharing is what they do.

Yeah, it's just normal. This property thing came out of the Europeans and they didn't understand, so they would do the same thing. They would take the animals or take the food and it was normal then. Or if someone had left something. Some of the accounts of European settlers

would talk about that, how Native Americans seemed to have no understanding at all of why people would be upset that someone would take their property. Yeah, and you see that in a few of the movies as well. They've kept that dialect. But the other thing that I was going to say, it's something to be, like, I envy it. You know, like, we used to talk about going on walkabout and things like that. Like, a lot of the guys that I would get would get their first pay

and then not show up to work the next morning and like come back two months later and just walk straight into the depot like, like, hey boss. And I'd be like, I haven't seen you for a couple of months, mate. Like, what are you doing? I'm here for work. What? No, I haven't seen you.

Because they'd get their pay, their paycheck, and they'd just be happy and go off with it for those couple of months or whatever. And they're not all like that, but a lot of them would do that. And it took me a long time to understand, especially being a business owner and just wanting everything to run nice and smooth, that that's just how a lot of them are, you know, and it is something to be envious about. Because the other thing that would happen is, and the mine sites were pushing for Indigenous employees at this time, and I'd load them up with Indigenous employees. Then there'd be a death, you know, in the family and a funeral. They won't bury their dead until everyone from the mob's there.

bury their dead until everyone from the mob's there. And because some of them live so far out in bush, it could take a week for a funeral, or some funerals go for weeks and weeks, months, dude, and these guys wouldn't show up, and I'd have the client ringing me up saying, like, what's going on? You guys aren't here today.

Well, if you want Indigenous employees and Indigenous business, this is what happens. You need to understand their culture. Now, there's been a lot of um cultural awareness um a lot of cultural awareness has gone out there to the mine sites that now they're all understanding that as well so they know if there's a funeral on that they're not going to have their indigenous people there anymore so the indigenous people haven't adjusted no they haven't no they have to a certain degree on some things but not a lot and they shouldn't have to either right yeah but when they take off they don't get paid

you gotta get work but you gotta work to get paid goes off on a walkabout and comes back two months later do you just take them back in i i am now yeah we usually do if we've got so now you just because it's's cultural awareness. I'm aware of how their culture is. Wow. Yeah. That's interesting because whenever an invasive culture moves into an indigenous culture, there's this battle, right?

Yeah. They try to figure out whose lifestyle wins out. Yeah. And that's decimated the Native Americans. I think in all of the cities and more populated places in australia it definitely has you know but i've just been lucky enough to go into some of these remote areas where that's not the case still yeah and like i said you look in on them and you're just like i wish i could live my life like that yeah it's like they don't

want they don't want some of the things that we want, you know? Right. I mean, I guess they probably, well, I don't know. I mean, maybe they envy some of the ways that we live as well. I don't fucking think so. I think some of them do, obviously. Some of them do, yeah. Yeah. But I look at them out there, out bush, you know, like when they're right out and it's just like, this is the way life should be lived.

It's like there's no rush to do anything or get anywhere and just yeah they're just living life dude well that's how you like to live too i mean you like to like just be out like when you're at your cabin you know you spend a tremendous amount of time at your cabin just out hunting pretty pretty much chilling out that's the thing about where you live i mean you have so many invasive species so much so many deer and pigs you could just go there's no season or anything like that yeah it's amazing yeah so i do get to hunt a lot so you just eat wild game constantly yeah pretty much like your wedding mouth drool oh dude the food that you guys had laid out yeah just wild pork and venison i ate those I ate those like meatballs, which were like a deer pig mix for like three days, dude.

God. Breakfast, lunch, and dinner. It was so good. All that wild pork. It was awesome. And it was an awesome experience to go out, harvest that meat myself, then put it on for like 60, 70 people at the wedding. Wow.

Yeah. It was cool. And I'm like like this is from right here like right here off the farm that's crazy yeah yeah no you're living man you so need to come over dude you gotta kill all those bugs first did you see that scorpion that bit me no ah that so because i've always been like i've actually never been bitten i got bitten by like an orb spider on the arm once. What's an orb spider?

They're not too bad, but like this side went numb. All this side here. Okay, that's bad, dude. Yeah, but it's not like bad, like it's going to kill you or make you real sick. You just don't feel it for a while. Just jerk off with the left hand. The day before the wedding. Yeah, that's a garden orb.

That's the fella there that bit me. So they're not too bad, but I've never looked up scorpions before because I've never been bitten by them. And I've just heard a few rumors that you can get really sick from the little ones. And I picked up a bit of timber while I was building the barn that I was doing. And originally I thought it was just a splinter that cracked me and then dude this hand felt like it was about 10 times the size like in 20 seconds this hand just felt like it was just swelling up it wasn't it looked fine but then you could see my veins popping out you could feel the like the

poison running up my arm it come all the way up this arm sort of disappeared once it got into my chest and like i ran over to the cabin i had my buddy antonio there i'm like fucking look up scorpion bites right now like one just cracked me and it's excruciating and uh he looked it up and he's like worst case scenario have a cardiac arrest but it's in very limited cases so i'm like well what's the normal case and it's just excruciating pain for up to two or three days. Two or three days? Yeah. Anyway, once it got into my chest, it sort of disappeared.

I did feel a bit nauseous and stuff like that. But then 2 a.m. in the morning, it drifted down into this leg on the opposite side, like woke me up, like was just killing me. Like, you little fucker. They're only this fucking big, too. So like an inch long? Pick a punch. Yeah, about an inch long. a tiny little thing like that that didn't happen to me thank christ that's what necrosis yeah but spider stings you can like it yeah it's not not freaking good

but the day of the wedding while we're all getting ready me me good friend ben chambers i was there i was over freaking building something still or whatever i was doing and i hear a bit of commotion i look over he's freaking wrestling uh it's a spotted blue belly black snake which we've actually never had on the property before and they're really aggressive like um he sort of tried to hold it out of a stick so i couldn't lash back and get him like i've got all these people showing up for a wedding, and there's a frigging venomous snake running around. How venomous is a black snake?

I've heard that they give you a real bad migraine, but they can do the same. You know, you can have cardiac arrest. You can have a bad reaction to it. So there's a lot of shit that can go on there. But, mate, it grabs this stick, and a red-bellied black snake will whack you and then usually let go. These things are notorious for grabbing you and just pumping you with venom. That's what makes them the worst of the black snakes.

They'll just grab onto you and keep pumping you with venom, and they won't do a dry bite. A lot of snakes do a dry bite. But anyway, this is like an hour away from the wedding starting, dude, and he's tangling this snake up around the stick. Then lets it go like further away from the cabin and when he lets it go it spews up a bloody brown snake and i sent you a video once before of a snake spewing up another snake yeah this thing spewed up a full brown snake and then and brown snakes are super poisonous exactly yes i probably should have left it alive because it's taking care of the brown snake population.

It has a taste for what kills you. Yeah. Should have left it right at the cabin. Yeah, I mean, if it only gives you a headache. Yeah. But most of the time, like in Australia, and I've walked thousands of miles, dude, and I've never, ever had a problem. That's why you need to come out.

Boy, that's not a convincing argument come come visit the farm i'll take you up to the cabin sounds good can i get an armored suit you got like some kevlar underwear i can put on it seems like a terrible idea i brought you that buffalo skull because i'm like you're fucking never coming so i might as well bring you one of my buffaloes well i would come to australia i just I'm not going buffalo hunting. You guys are out of your fucking mind. You're pretty safe up there. You're wrestling with crocodiles. Oh, yeah, pretty safe.

There's no crocodiles up there at all. Saltwater crocodile. Is that the snake? Holy safe. That's a red-bellied there. Ooh, that thing's beautiful. He is pissed off. See, he's flattening his neck out like that.

God, it's so beautiful. Yeah. That's a red-bellied black snake? Yeah. They're pretty harmless. They're so pretty. I've actually had my head back on a stick before, and it was curled right up behind my head, That's a red-bellied black stank? Yeah. They're pretty harmless. They're so pretty. I've actually had my head back on a stick before,

and it was curled right up behind my head, and they'll lift up and have a look in the grass, and he lifted right up beside me. I'm like, I won't move. I don't want to get bit. And then he just relaxed and chilled out. So you just lay there? That second from the left, Jamie, that looks like a spotted. What is that?

This says blue-bellied here, but you can't see much of it. Look at that one, that bright, shiny black one above it to the right. Yeah, that's why I click on these. God, that's gorgeous. That is a gorgeous creature. It's not uncommon to see

a few of them through the summer while you're hunting, but like I said, they're really placid. So those are... But how the fuck do you remember them all do me a favor while you're looking at snakes look up andrew eucles i saw this thing on your instagram yeah and and then you'll find him on youtube then he's got this video where he catches i think it's two brown snakes and a red belly black snake and he puts them down in rabbit holes, and then they chase the rabbits out. They're trying to get shelter. They chase these rabbits out, and he ends up catching the rabbits.

It's frigging hilarious. These are his older videos. I've just seen it. That one there, Jamie, the top one. Is this the one or the one above it? This one here, he's doing something. He's catching wild rabbits with snakes. Not it? No one here, he's doing something. Catching wild rabbits with snakes. Not it?

No. All right. That one there. This dude's a freak. That's him? Barefoot? Holy shit, that was a few years ago. He looks pretty Australian.

He's very Australian. I keep saying to him, if you keep doing this shit, your fucking number's coming up, brother. So these snakes are what kind of snakes? They're two red-bellied black snakes. So those will kill you? Nah, they won't kill you unless you have a bad reaction. Yeah, they're headache snakes. And they're not attacking him?

Well, one of them's trying to now. It's getting a bit revved up. Yeah, I mean, he's just walking around carrying them. He's got some serious control. So when they lift up the strike, he drops them down a little bit, you know, because they can't fight against their own weight like that. Uh-huh. See how he just fucking grabbed it?

He just saw one on the ground and grabbed it. He's got three of them in his hand. What the fuck is wrong with this dude? This is your buddy? Yeah, this is my buddy. He's a bow hunter? No, he doesn't hunt, no. Why should he hunt?

He just cracks snakes with his fucking hands while he's wearing gym shorts. Dude, he's just done Africa maybe a couple of years ago. He chases a pride of lions off a fucking kill. What? Chases a pride of lions, bluffs them out. Come on. He has elephants chase him down, dude, and he outruns elephants. What?

What is wrong with this dude? He's fucking insane. Does he have a death wish? He must have. Do you think he does? I don't know. Talk to him about it. He's got some screws loose at least.

Can he identify the taste of a gun? Oh, I've been there before. So he drops these snakes down the holes. The rabbits just run out. Yeah, he drops them down the hole. And then what he does? He grabs the rabbits with his hands? He grabs the rabbit, yeah.

So he hunts with his hands. Or they run into a net. I'm not sure one or the other. Yeah. You're hanging around with some weird dudes. Dude, I just watched him wrestle a full-size bull buffalo. What? Yeah, he pretty much, he lassoed this bull and i'm filming this is on

this what kind of buffalo a water buffalo like the one that you have the invasive ones yeah a giant fucker yeah he lassoes one of those but because the how the horns are you can only get a lasso around one horn so it comes off made it i've got it on on video. It misses him by, I reckon it's a couple of feet. This thing is on his ass. But he can run. But I'm like, dude, one trip and you are fucked up. How fast is a water buffalo? Fast.

Off the mark. They're huge. Mate, just the head, like just the weight in the head could squish your body in half if it got you against the ground or a tree. So imagine the rest of its whole body weight grinding you. It would turn you into frigging pepper. What's the end game for this guy? What's he doing this for?

A fuck. For a thrill? I think so. He's done some stuff. Look at him out there with a backpack. He's done some stuff. Look at this monkey having a root in the background. So this is Africa?

This must be Africa. Sample clip. I thought it was a sample clip. What is he doing? He's going to chase one of these. I'll approach wild baboons. Baboons? Holy fuck.

Oh, Jesus Christ. Why is he chasing baboons? Baboons will fuck you up. He nearly dies on this trip. Something bites him or something. Oh, my God. So he just chased off all these baboons by running at them. This does not seem wise.

What concerns me more than anything is that other people are going to copy this guy. Oh, 100%. Yeah, because he obviously is very skilled. I mean, if you can call it skilled, knowledgeable. What's the word? He's done it before. He's experienced. Oh, shit.

Here comes this Prada line bit. Oh, fucking Christ. Look, he turns his back on him. Choo-choo. He's got no shirt on, folks. He's wearing gym shorts. And he's... Give me some volume so I can hear this crazy fuck talk. around this dam here. Now, in that last bit of footage, you can see me rolling on the ground. I was trying to act

like a dead animal so they could come in close. But even then, these animals understand that I'm a predator. They understand. One look at me with my two legs, my two arms standing upright, my vision forward. These animals understand that I'm a potential threat to them. I'm not food. I'm a fret.

A fret? Fuck. It's crazy. They understand he's fucking crazy one of those lines just to go just needs to go no you're fucking not yeah and you're in some trouble i'm ready to put this down yeah i mean that tissue paper skin that we have covering this fucking water balloon of blood that we call a body they're used to tearing open like frigging buffalo and shit like that. Things are thick hide. We ain't nothing. We're nothing, man.

Yeah. Oh, Jesus. What is he doing? Why does he have a crocodile? Why is he putting a lasso around a fucking crocodile? This guy's crazy. He fed it a coconut. He fed it a coconut?

Yeah. Why did he feed it a coconut? Why not? Like to put it in its mouth so it can't bite? Okay, give me some volume of this crazy fuck. He must be in Africa because you can't. Oh, shit. Stay, he says.

Stay. This is what? I do the same thing. I start talking to animals and I'm like, fucking, they don't understand English. There's no use telling them to calm down or not fucking eat you. This dude doesn't even have shoes on.

The closing pressure of a crocodile is around 3,500 pounds per square inch. Compare this to us humans, and it's only 200 pounds per square inch. And you'll soon realize why this guy deserves the title as nature's vice. You gotta crack my coconut. Oh, my God. This crazy fucker Has a coconut in the crocodile's mouth And he's trying to get the crocodile

To crack a coconut for him Oh my god He's a stud dude He's awesome So what does this guy do for a living? Fucking YouTube and stuff I don't know Some network

Tickle tickle tickle he's actually a real nomad to tell you the truth really yeah just lives out in the bush yeah jesus but i mean doesn't he have to feed himself like yeah he's he's he does some crazy shit he's about to do some massive trek dude with nothing and just walk through some wild country and uh so one of the reasons why he was in arnhem land with me up north was he's trying to learn off the indigenous about a lot of the bush tucker like a lot of the food that he can find out in the bush like yams and different like fruits and stuff like that he knows all the wildlife stuff that he can eat but the indigenous has spent you know a long time trying to work out what they can and can't eat

and there's heaps of things that you can eat but they've got to be boiled for a certain amount of period you can only eat to this far into it and things like that i've watched the fucking karkat dude there's a there's a i don't know if it's a root or a type of fruit and you definitely can't eat it they crush it up and they put it in the water and it takes all the oxygen out of the water and all the fish float oh i've seen that in south america yeah okay yeah so imagine how long it took to work out that actually worked like that's crazy isn't it that's another thing that they uh eat in bolivia uh cassava yeah You ever heard of that? No, I haven't, no. It's a root that if you eat it

raw, it's super toxic. There's a whole really involved process where you have to soak it, and then you have to drain it, and they have to cook it, and then it turns it into,

there's actually cyanide that comes out of it yeah see if you can find uh a video jamie on preparation of cassava and but this cassava is apparently um ranella was telling me about it that's what it was uh ranella i've read about it before but ranella was telling me how poisonous it is. That the stuff that they... Fuck, it looks like Bert. It does. Bert wishes he looked that good.

That's like Bert's gay lover. That's what it looks like. So they have these buckets around the camp. Jamie, you've got to find a better video than this. This guy's so gay. All the rest of it was just recipes. I mean, someone was preparing it at the start. Yeah.

Well, there's a really involved process in order to cook it. Yeah, so you either get it right and... Or you're dead. You're dead, yeah. Yeah. Just amazing that they figured this out. So you have to do all the stuff to it and prepare it, and the actual buckets of liquid

they were saying ronella was talking about how they just leave them around the camp and he was like what if what if a kid drinks that it's like they don't so she's uh cooking it up just got some way to anyway anyway but yeah i mean how long did it take them to figure out that if they can grind that plant up throw it in the water, the fish will suffocate? How many people died eating it themselves because it looks like a fruit? And there's so many in the Australian outback that look and smell and even taste good, but, man, they'll kill you. Isn't that crazy when you think about the trial and error involved in figuring out what you can and can't eat? Yeah.

Motherfucker. Yeah. Now we've got all these books. At least it takes the mystery out of stuff like that. But even then, people screw it up. Oh, for sure. All the time with mushrooms. Yeah.

I nearly did it the other day. There's one that it sort of tastes similar to an apple, but a little bit like on the sour side, if it was an unripe apple. It's completely edible. There's another one that looks nearly exactly the same of it it drops the same pink flare out of the bottom of it's got this little spike that comes off it and so i'd been walking around eating these other ones because i didn't have hardly any food and then i'm like oh there's a freaking whole heap of me and i grabbed them and just threw them in the backpack got to this water hole cracked it open and just thought shit is it the

same type and then i smelled it and straight away it's not the same type it didn't have the same seeds or anything but how quick of a mistake to make and that one that second one that i grabbed is really freaking poisonous dude so it's like oh yeah i need to carry a bush tucker book with me but at least there's those books out there now fugu the fish more yeah i seen those. Why even fuck around with it? Yeah, they use them for sushi. Apparently, like the really skillful sushi chefs, they slice through this thing and fillet it.

But what the fuck? The smallest mistake in preparation could be fatal, but Tokyo City's government is planning to ease restrictions that allow only highly trained and licensed chefs to serve the dish. Fuck all that. Well, just how about fucking eat some normal fish? Yeah, eat some tuna, you crazy assholes. But I think it's for people, they like a thrill of knowing that they're eating something that could kill you. Yeah.

If prepared incorrectly. This sounds like a fucking elk hunt in Montana. So how good did that elk taste, though knowing what all you went through it well because i was starving by the end like you can you can only have limited food with you and then even though i come out of the wild you know for like i come in the town and bought the bullets i didn't go to a store and be like i'm gonna load up on a heap of other food and shit that for me that was gonna wreck the trip you know so i just go in into town grab the bullets yeah fucking wood it was a challenge so you wanted to live off the land i did yeah i wanted to live off the land you must have brought some food with you right

yeah like so the first probably the first 11 days i ate pretty good what did you bring with you uh dehydration meals you know little energy bars just because everything's got to be light you know um so most everything was dehydrated or just like a light type of food as simple you know as simple as it is and then heaps of chocolate bars actually they're not that light but fuck you need them when you're out there you need to pack that energy back on and keep going so heaps of chocolate bars and then any specific ones do you use or just anyone you can get just whatever i can get just regular chocolate or snickers shit like that right yeah calories yeah just calories half the chocolate bars in america i don't even know what they are

and then i open them up and i'm like ah that's shit you know because i it's so different back in australia but we do have snickers but like we've got a mars bar you don't have a mars bar here it's called different back in Australia, but we do have Snickers, but we've got a Mars bar. You don't have a Mars bar here. It's called a Milky Way. No, we have Mars. Oh, do you?

I couldn't find them anywhere, and they're my favorite. Oh, they have Mars bars here. Oh, do they? I must have went to the wrong store. I was fucking dirty, but I bought some Milky Ways, which are different back in Australia as well,

and they're more similar to a Mars bar. But yeah, so the first 11 days, I ate pretty well, but I'd still, if I could spare food, like if i could shoot a grouse i'd eat that if i come across berries i'd eat those um and i sort of had contact with um april vokey who's like right into the outdoors and fly fishing and stuff she knows a lot of her out in australia yeah i did yeah yeah and she's she's hunted with us a few times. And Kim and her get along like a house on fire, so it works out good. Is a house on fire good?

A house? You don't have that saying either? Get along like a house on fire. That seems like a terrible way to get along. If your house is on fire, you're fucking furious and sad. If you're the fire. That's a fuck saying, eh? That's a weird one.

There's a few of those weird ones. And I'm like, how'd they even come up with that? That one right there. Yeah, House on Fire. Or, you know, like Jump the Gun. Did they actually jump the gun? Yeah, well, that's jumping the starting block. You know, ready, set, bang. Why don't they just say Jump the Noise?

No, Jump the Gun makes sense. Makes more sense than get along like a house on fire. Unless you're the fire, because you're fucking burning up. You're going blazing. So, you could look at it like that as well. the fire, because you're fucking burning up. You're going blazing. So you could look at it like that as well. I see where you're going with that. Yeah. So April was sort of my go-to person.

Like if I had reception, I'd take a photo and be like, can I eat this? The worst thing is, because sometimes she'd be busy, I'd be collecting heaps of them. Like I'd need them. She'd be like, definitely not. And I'd be like, fuck. But most things just from taste and a few things I already knew.

But there'd be some areas, especially up high, where those bears were, where I seen that grizzly in Colorado. There was berries everywhere. And that's obviously why the bears were there. Okay. You ate those berries? Yeah. What kind?

Like frigging raspberries, blueberries. There's those rose nips. Do you know those? They don't look edible and they're pretty hard, but they're really good for you. But if you eat too many of them, they'll make you feel itchy. Itchy? Yeah. Which I never felt itchy, but I didn't want to get to that point, like walking around

hunting. Really? They make you itchy? Yeah. When's They make you itchy? Yeah. When's the 230 crack giveaway? What was the word that you used? Bush something? Bush Tucker.

Bush Tucker. What does that mean? Tucker. Fuck, you Americans need to come up with a scratch, eh? Oh, shut up, you mole. Yeah, good one. You fucking mole. You fucking mole.

And you can't say fucking as in ing it's got to be en on the end of it fucking you would say en we would say in and then put an apostrophe yeah right fucking

nah fucking yeah you got to say fucking mole fucking mole yeah there you go see how Australian it sounds straight away I can fit right in

perfect you'd get right in I just have to get used to driving on the wrong side of the road no it's the right side I'm pretty sure but yeah so April was was my go-to bush tucker what does that mean though

bush tucker's food so food bush tucker tucker's food tuck tucker tucker yeah tucker yeah let's go get some tucker yeah let's go and get some tucker like we'll go and get some tuck have you ever heard that young jamie no that. You're acting like this is normal. It is very normal. For who? For Australians. Is this like a dialect you picked up in the Outback? No, it's pretty normal.

Bush tucker. There you fucking go. Thank God for Google. Also called bush food is any food native to Australia and used as sustenance by the original inhabitants, the Aboriginal Australians, but can also describe native flora or fauna. Flora or fauna. So that was something, did you pick up from the indigenous people? No, I think I was just raised like that.

So it's just a phrase. Yeah, obviously I grew up out in the bush. Bush Tucker. So the bush is the woods. Marlou is what you call a kangaroo? Yeah, they're indigenous names there. Marlou, Bardura, what is that? Bird.

That looks like it could be magpie geese. And what is that one? That'd be magpie geese. What is that? How's that word? Yaliberi? Well, that's anemia, yeah. Right, Yaliberi. Yeah's anemia, yeah. Right.

Yali-biri. And so, do the people, the indigenous people, they eat kangaroos? Yeah, yeah, definitely. The aboriginals. Kangaroos, wallabies, goannas. You ever eat kangaroo? Yep, yep, plenty of times. What does it taste like? It's a very rich red meat.

Yeah. Like a really, really rich red meat. Good? It's delicious, yeah. Yeah. And it's super lean. Like, there's no fat content to it at all. And so, do you buy it in Good? It's delicious, yeah. And it's super lean. Like, there's no fat content to it at all. And so do you buy it in a store?

You can. Whoa, what the fuck is that, man? That's bullshit. Really? Yeah, that's not right. It's bullshit? How's it bullshit? The guy's holding it.

That's not fucking a real grub. It's not a real grub? No. No, it's like a wood grub or a witchery grub. They're good eating. Oh, so it's not really that big? No way, no. What's that? They're good grubs there.ub or a witchery grub. They're good eating. Oh, so it's not really that big. No, why not? What's that?

They're good grubs there. They'd be witchery grubs there. Good grubs. Hold on. So you see those, oh, them's good grubs. Like, you go eat those. Yeah, have you seen my videos? That's bush tucker.

We're eating good grubs. When I've been building the cabin and I'm stripping the bark off it, you'll see all those grubs and I get them and I cook them up and eat them. Just like peanut butter, mate, but better. They taste like peanut butter? Yeah, they do, yeah. Really? Yeah, probably even better than peanut butter.

What kind of peanut butter do you guys have in Australia? They're pretty good. What is that, a honey ant? Yeah, honey ants, sugar ants. Those are good? Yeah, they're good. You eat those? Yep, and if you run out of tea or if you want a hot drink and you're out in the bush,

then you'd boil your water and then you'd get a heap of those in a leaf or on a leaf and you'd dip them in your hot water and it makes like a nice tea, but it's like sweetened already from the ant. They carry like a sugary taste on them. Whoa. So that little thing on their butt is actually honey? Yep. They have a little bubble pack of honey?

Well, it's not really honey, but it tastes like honey. Really? It looks like honey, though. Yep. Well, what is it? I'm pretty sure bees are the only things that can produce honey. Wow, that's crazy, though. That's their abdomen, essentially, right?

Yep. So it looks like those black things at the top is like their abdomen is separated, rather? That's weird. It looks like it's sucking on a bottle. Yeah, it's got something photoshopped on rather. That's weird. It looks like it's sucking on a bottle. Yeah. It's got some in Photoshop. Yeah. Wow. That's so strange.

So it's only strange because we don't eat it. But imagine those things were grown on a farm or and harvested for mass production. No different than lamb or I know what insects do we eat? None, which is frigging weird. Why wouldn't we eat insects? They're food, right? Well, crickets. People are starting to eat crickets.

Yeah, and frogs. But crickets meaning bugs. Yeah. A lot of people eat crickets these days. They're eating cricket protein powder. It's very popular in America. Yeah, okay. Not very popular.

I shouldn't say very. Like there's two people in all of America eating that. No, it's becoming more popular. I think they have a nice cricket protein bar that you can buy. I haven't tried them. Yeah, okay. But I've been to Mexico, but I've heard good things about them. But I've been to Mexico, and we went to this resort.

And when you check into your hotel room, they have like a little bowl of fried crickets. Really? Yeah, like with chili powder and stuff. Proudly strange. What is that? The company? Yes. They sell crooked.

Oh, XO? Get out of here. What's this goddamn pop-up ads? So XO, meaning exoskeleton, is crickets. I don't understand why we wouldn't eat insects. Well, we should. Well, not only that, but vegans should eat them because it's a great way to get B12, and most people don't really care that much about bugs.

It's like the thing about vegans seems to be sentient animals and worrying about killing these feeling life forms. Yeah, yeah. And if that's the way they feel, they could be far healthier eating mollusks. Mollusks are a big one. They don't feel shit and they're fucking stupid. Like mollusks, they say, are dumber than plants. Yeah. Like they're more primitive than plants.

The fact that they move is what freaks people out. Yeah. But does a vegan eat a Venus flytrap? Would they eat that? Yeah. Because that thing fucking moves too. Well, plants fucking move. They just take a long time to move and grow.

Exactly. But crickets are a really good source of protein. So if someone wants to get animal or some sort of living proteins, particularly like the nutrients and amino acids that you can get from that kind of protein, just look into insects. Don't die, you fuckers. I'm going to start my own insect farming. Do it, bitch. Fuck, this is how you become a millionaire. Seems like it's a tough sell. I mean, trust me, I used to host Fear Factor.

But why? Why the fuck is it a tough sell? We're eating little lambs. Well, not only that. Cows. Yep, yep. Australia, we're eating kangaroos. And how about crabs and lobsters, which are basically bugs.

Yeah, exactly, yeah. Bugs that live in the water. Yeah, crickets in particular taste good. I'm telling you, man, I was grubbing on those crickets in Mexico. Yeah. They had like a nice chili powder on them. Yeah, right. And they were fried and like. So they're like crunchy it's like yeah they're

kind of salty a little savory they were good like they were like i would buy them yeah that sounds good these grubs that i'm talking about are delicious that's where i draw the line not full delicious it's just a full delicious that's another thing that the Australians say, full. Fully or full. Full amazing. Fully sick. Yeah, fully sick. Yeah. Mad cunt. That's a good one too. Mad cunt is like a good expression.

That's like my favorite one. Like Cameron Hayes is a mad cunt. Yeah. Cameron Hayes is a mad cunt, yeah. I actually, some people, it might have been from me saying that, and they were like, where can I get mad cunt shirt? You're a mad cunt no it would be a nice cunt because you're either a nice cunt or a bad cunt oh and the shirt that everyone wanted i actually got one printed up but it didn't come in time i was gonna wear it here

it just said just be a nice cunt it's as simple as that well you guys are a very different use of the word cunt yeah cunt is like a a good dude well well can be so if you say mad cunt if you say mad cunt that's awesome that's a good compliment bad motherfucker but if you're like you're a fucking cunt right no no that's interesting yeah you have much more range yeah with the word cunt than we do a lot of australians like though you're going to say yes or no, they're always like, yeah. So they start with yeah, and then they're like, nah. Yeah, nah.

Yeah, nah. Yeah, nah. I like that. That's a good one. I like using that one, too. That's a good one. Yeah. Or if you're going to say no, then go no.

You shake your head yes, but you say no. no what is that it means i don't give a fuck you pick what you want so you're nodding yes and saying no yeah like kim will be like you know should i this swimsuit you know and i'll be like no you make your own mind up because whatever the fuck your head and nodding your head whatever the fuck I say doesn't matter anyway she's gonna get what she wants

yeah you know what I've developed I've developed an amazing ability to not listen when someone's talking that's what I've been doing this whole show oh man

I don't mean with you I mean with my wife I can hear they talk about stuff that I especially when my wife gets could i could hear they talk about stuff that i like especially my wife gets together with her friends they can have a conversation i could be right there i don't i don't hear a fucking thing yeah kim's like be in a field just hearing exactly it's like kim's like you're fucking you're anti-social i'm like no i'm not anti-social i just don't have to talk about everything i'm quite happy sitting here. I just think there's a very big biological difference

between the way women like to communicate and the way men. Especially a guy like you who does so much hunting where it's very valuable to be quiet. Yeah. I've actually had some friends say to me that I'm very antisocial and it's like you're not interested in hanging out with us and stuff like that. Do these friends hunt? Yeah, they do.

But I like hunting solo. Like, I just, but it's not like a choice that I'm like, oh, I'm not fucking taking him or I'm not inviting him or whatever. But I'm just happy to do it alone. So if I'm planning the trip, I don't necessarily plan it around someone else's time or something like that. So they think you're antisocial because you don't invite them? Because they wouldn't do it. Well, yeah, and they're a little bit like, they're also like, how can you just go out there by yourself like that?

Like, don't you get bored or don't you miss talking to someone or whatever? And it's taken me years to figure it out. Like, why am I so comfortable being by myself or not saying a word in a crowd of people that are talking? And like, you know, my past growing up, but a lot of it's been from my past growing up. And like, I've nailed it. It's like, I grew up with people

that were supposed to be loved ones that didn't show love at all. In fact, they taught you the complete opposite. Instead of teaching trust, they taught distrust because this is supposed to be a person that's close and treats you well. And they're fucking treating you like shit so you slowly start moving away from sort of mankind in a sense where well you start associating associating people with a negative

feeling exactly and and so the way that i'd get treated you know growing up was i'd be i'm better off by myself you know i'm better off safer kim sort of wrecks that now but that's what i mean how she's wrecked it but um yeah i grew up all those years knowing you know not to trust people and people are fucking actually dangerous and stuff like that so i'm happy being off by myself and doing my own thing and then like i said now it's different i've got my own family and i know the complete opposite. I, you know, trust and love and everything like that. But isn't also the hunting thing for you that when you're hunting, you're just locked in on the task at hand? To a degree, definitely.

So you don't want someone with you that's going to mess it up or making noise? Well, no. No? Because I'm not a self... That sort of sounds a little bit selfish. No, I don't mean it that way. I don't mean it that way. I don't mean it that way. What I mean is that like you're focused.

Definitely focused. You don't need anybody else. But when you're focused, you really don't need anybody else. It's just the task at hand. Yeah, just you against the elements. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's that.

It's pushing myself. I love the fucking wilderness. Like it's just as simple as that. And Joe, like, I always feel like I love the society we live in and this whole system. But it's not the system that I've designed for myself. Right. Like, I'd love to go back fucking 10,000 years, dude.

Jesus. And be living there. You would have a shitty bow, though. Fuck yeah. All your arrows would weigh different amounts. I'd be indigenous to Australia. Would you? And run around with a spear and boom shitty bow, though. Fuck. All your arrows would weigh different amounts. If I could be, I'd be indigenous to Australia. Would you? And run around with a spear and boomerang, dude.

You'd be happy with that? Oh, hell yeah. I wouldn't be happy with that. Not knowing what I know, though. So this is the thing where Kim's fucked it for me. Yeah. Like, I wish she could just be a real bitch and nasty and not good looking. And then, you know, it'd be like, I am going walkabout.

Right. I ain't coming back. That's a funny expression. Going walkabout back that's a funny expression going walkabout that is a funny expression walkabout yeah just yeah well they because they would it'd take them so far to get from wherever they were you know because they'd travel a lot um there's actually there's i think there's some hard evidence now that indigenous australians because there was symbols like right down on the east coast of Australia, the same ZAK symbols go all the way up the coast to the Northern Territory. This is a five-day drive, by the way, that the Indigenous would walk that.

Five-day drive. Yeah, so walkabout. Like Kevin used to walk from community. So that's built by the Australian government to house the Indigenous people. So that's built by the Australian government to house the Indigenous people. Then they also have, we call it on country, but like an out community just for his mob on his land, you know. So Kevin's a traditional owner just for his mob on his land. They would walk that.

It would take them five days to walk it. And then so if they went out on country for a while and hunted and stuff like that, let's say they spend another 20 or 30 days out there, maybe longer, five days walk you can see why they called it walkabout they disappear and that's how the sayings come up when you go away for a long time is you've gone on walkabout because you they'd literally walk that distance they'd be out on country for a certain amount of period and then come back so that that's why i've sort of adopted as well like when i go walk about i go walk about on kim a fair bit the the idea of driving five days that they could walk it and now these are different i mean you were talking about all the different dialects and different tribes of people now what the hell did

they do they encountered well sometimes they'd have, there'd be war and stuff like that between mobs. There'd be war and things like that because I think in most cases they'd try and avoid it and they'd have like their corridor that they walk through. But they all had their own land, what they sort of pretty much called. I can't say they all had their own land because there's so many indigenous mobs that, and there was so many differences between them that some of them were just pure nomadic. Do they have written language? I don't know. I think their written language, frigging don't quote me on this, was like the Dreamtime and the paintings and everything like that.

And everyone tells a story. What's getting lost is it's only the traditional elders that know those stories and they've got to pass it on to the next generation so this is their story this is their paintings this is how the story goes when it gets lost is when the mob essentially dies out you know or or it's not passed on down through the generations that's just so crazy that there's this enormous population of people and their their stories not being told yeah it seems sad when i think about it in one sense it seems really sad but in the other sense it shouldn't matter to anyone else because it's just those people's language and their story so if they die it's gone with them anyway yeah but i mean it's still just

for the historical record i think it'd be great for human just the human race definitely yeah to understand that this is a really a very little understood yeah group of human beings don't you hate that the mystery is getting taken out of everything though um like it's good to have all that information like go on google and find out friggin the age of the the last ice age or something like that and which is awesome but it also cancels out all the mystery like we know that there's no other sort of monster crocodile in the waters anymore because the whole world's like right at our fingertips instead of being a whole i would have that mystery in our mind like i wonder what's out the back there you know and that's why i felt like

there's no more last frontiers i love calling arnhem land the last frontier and places like northwest territory is the last frontier because there's hardly any humans out there but the truth is it's all been discovered it's all pretty much been documented i sort of hate that you got some like real wanderlust dude you got some like lewis and clark type shit that's why i'm like i wish i could go back in like there's nowhere to discover anymore right like uh stewart mcdonald who's he was an alcoholic but he was uh uh he's actually a real famous early explorer that come into australia and australia was convinced or the people of adelaide were convinced that's where the first settlements were that there was an inland ocean in australia

because there's all these rivers running out from the center of australia and it couldn't be the opposite as you know it's all fucking desert but they walk in and out of there so many times and so many men died and uh mcdonald stewart himself nearly died a couple of times from starvation and no water because they were walking into the desert in the end he was successful and uh he ended up walking all the way through to the top of australia dude there's no fucking water until you get to the top of australia how did he get so how did he get through it but but imagine being back then when there was all that mystery like there was that that you were thinking that there was an inland ocean in australia because of these rivers running out but those rivers are ancient

rivers they're millions of years old that and for so many hundreds of thousand years they haven't even ran on top of the surface they run under the sand in the rocks, those rivers. So crazy to think. But some of the stories is he's got an awesome book. Well, he doesn't have an awesome book because he's long gone, but there's an awesome book out on him called Mr. Stewart's Track. And there's one point because Indigenous, like they'd never encountered Indigenous and things like that as well. They're walking into the centre of Australia where it was highly populated with Indigenous people people no white people had ever been in there

no settlers before they were literally cutting the first tracks and drawing the maps dude and uh they they walk into one spot and like they're they've been three days or something without water like they're on the brink of death and it's they think it's like a miracle there's like a little well out there, like a clay-built well out in the middle of nowhere, and it's got this crystal clear water in it. They keep the cattle and horses at bay because cattle and horses would smell the water and just go in there and trash it before the men could get there.

So they keep the cattle and horses at bay. They go in with their own canteens and fill them up and drink, and all the men are just getting as much water as they can. Then they've let the horses and cattle go so they can have a drink. Now, the horses and cattle come in there, and they trample this whole well. It ends up going back to dust because they cave it all in. They drink as much water as they can. They cave it all in, and the water pretty much dissipates.

Then they ride out for three or four days and they can't find water and they've run out of the water that they collected there they turn back to there and it might have even been longer it might have been a couple of weeks it might have been on the way back after not being able to go any further and they come back there and there's all these aborigines they're dead because the aborigines were the ones that would put the well in it they walk days and days and they would just have a water source at the last point you know so they just go they knew water was there they drink they'd be able to make it the next three or four days the next bit of water they get there it's fully caved in

they can't get to the water there's a whole mob of Indigenous people dead there. They knew they couldn't go on any further. At least all the ones that were dead there knew they couldn't go on any further. And they died right there. And there was no water. There was no well there anymore. Like the cattle had just trampled it. And one thing, like as if that's not crazy enough,

but one thing that I always think about is imagine the Indigenous people coming across these hoof prints like that. Because there's nothing in Australia. You've got to think. The biggest animals running around in Australia were like kangaroos, dude. They'd have these little toed legs. And then they come across these massive prints for the first time that have just devastated their last drinking hole before they move on to the next place. Crazy stories in this book.

So there's no way to dig down deeper to restart the well? I guess not. I guess at that point you're already so dehydrated, but you're walking to a point that you think that there's water because you build a well and then there's not anymore. Not that I very much doubt they would have given up because they're hardy people, but whatever they tried to do obviously wasn't enough fucking white people fucking white i know isn't that a horrible story

white people ruin everything i hate to say it we've done a lot of good don't get me wrong yeah big fan of white people yeah but man but so see the mystery behind fucking just walking into the center even though it's a horrible mystery to go through you know that's what i mean at least a heap of us don't have to die walking in the middle of australia thinking i'm going to go in there fishing there's an inland ocean somewhere and you never come across it you're out in the middle of desert but at the same time it takes away from all the mystery in life you know see you look at things way different than me because you have that wanderlust you got you have that i want to go out and find the hidden things. I don't have any of that shit.

I'm like, okay, where's the water? No, no, no, no. Show me on a map. Where's the water? Okay. What kind of equipment do we need? What are we doing? Do we have a backup gun?

What if we get charged? You and I are very different in that regard. I have no desire to go to uncharted territory and find some new monkey. It's not the risk that's appealing. What is it? Just a wanderlust. It must be. It just must be.

You have legit wanderlust. That cave system that you put a picture up of before that I took photos of, a lot of people have asked, like, where is that? But for me personally, i'd like to keep that undocumented because it seems once a place is known it's no different than a good fishing or a hunting spot it gets fucking ruined and that cave system for starters it's not up to me because you know that'd be up to the traditional owners to want to put that out there for people to go and look at it's not up to me so i can't share that information. But for me personally, I don't want that to be documented

because I know as soon as it's documented, rubbish will show up there. Some dickheads will show up there and spray paint or scribble on it or want to write their own initials, some shit like that. Some places are better off undocumented. Well, the human race has got to evolve past that, and that's a big order, obviously. It's a very tall order, but God, we has got to evolve past that. And that's a big order, obviously.

It's a very tall order. But God, we've got to evolve past that. But it fucking won't, dude. There's been good people and bad people since the dawn of man. Right. But I think there's more good people now than ever before. Oh, definitely. More informed people now than ever before.

We just got to keep progressing along the same lines. And I think that progress is accelerating. And I would just hope that more people in the future would have more appreciation for what that is. It's just like this incredible historical resource. You're seeing these, I mean, we're talking about 65,000 years of people in this area. Who knows how old those paintings are? They could be thousands of years old, right? I mean, has anybody done like a carbon dating on them or anything?

I'm sure there has been. Yeah, I'm sure there has been yeah i'm sure there has been there's a bunch of they find those in texas sometimes from native americans they'll find them in like caves yeah you just find a cave system and then you just encounter these pictographs when i was hunting in new mexico uh we we so i tagged out and then like i didn't want the hunt to end the hunt was done sorry i didn't have any tags left i didn't want the experience to end you know that's why i said it's never ever been about you know just killing an animal it's about the whole adventure the whole package and uh i was with an outfitter and the guide's like oh you tagged out what do you want to do i'm like well let's go exploring and go walking still and just you know i'll take photos of the countryside or whatever

um you put that all up on your blog too right yeah it was in a magazine but it was in a magazine that one i read that actually it might be on bow site.com okay i think i did a live one anyway go up on top of this mesa and uh you can see these rock uh like a yusha rock in yusha which used to be like the anasazi indians that's how they used to have their housing and stuff like that perfect spot right up high looking down onto these big meadows like would have been the perfect place to if other tribes were coming in you'd be able to see them and if any animals were working for moving through there you'd be able to see them just the perfect spot we get up there and as i get to the top the first thing you find is a bunch of pottery. And the Anasazi's had a certain color. I think it was the white with the black writing on the pottery.

And the Navajo's had the orange with the white writing on the pottery. And there's both types sitting in this area. So I don't know if there's a bit of confusion or maybe I'm lacking a bit of information there. But as far as I've looked in, it was the Anasazi Indians. And it's the whole way around there like this must have been some major site dude i found the perfect stone broadhead just sitting right there on a rock and it just rained so everything was clean like everything was clean i picked it up and like my mind boggled straight away. Like, how did this get here? Who held it?

Did they shoot it? Who sharpened it? The history behind it. And then, so we kept walking around. I found a full axe head, dude. Like, obviously, the timber's gone off the axe because it's been there for so long. The timber's just rotted into nothing. The axe head's sitting there perfect.

We ended up finding three axe heads, Indian pendant, with a perfect little hole scribed in it and just like crazy, dude. Did you bring that back with you? Yeah, because it was private land. I was able to take it. Did you take a photo of the broadhead? Yeah, I got all that documented. Those fascinate me. I was nearly going to give you the broadhead,

and I'm like, that's taking it too fucking far. I don't deserve it. You can add the buff skull. I shed a tear just parting with that buffalo skull. How many fucking buffalo skills? It doesn't matter. They all mean something to me. You probably killed 50 last week.

They all mean something to me. That's what Bert was saying today. He killed like nine things this week. I follow his Instagram page. He killed a dog. Oh, fuck. i follow his instagram page he killed a dog the cat thing is what freaks people out about australia the dog freaks people out as well but wild it's no different than shooting a coyote here or a problem animal you know dingoes are one of the first they believe one of the first introduced species into australia and

come with the indigenous population at some point. Oh, so they came with the indigenous people? Yeah. Yeah. So the indigenous people only got there. Wild dogs is, dingoes, sorry, is most of them aren't dingoes anymore because there's been a wild dog population that's sort of peppered through there as well. Dingoes and normal dogs, like a domestic dog that's gone wild,

have now interbred. And I'm pretty sure the only place you can find a purebred dingo now is on Fraser Island in Australia. They've got a policy or regulations that there's not allowed to be any domestic animals taken to the island at all, so the population stayed pure. Oh, wow. So if you live there, you can't have a dog?

I don't think you can live on the island at all. Oh. Yeah. It's one of those things. Yeah. You've got weird rules. I've got weird rules. All right.

The weird rules is that you can't hunt anything native. That's very strange to me. Yeah. That they wouldn't just have to. But you have some deer. Well, kangaroos are on some of our currency. So they're like our icon. So imagine eating your bald eagle, like eating your American icon.

Probably delicious. So that's one way to look at it. Probably like a nice chicken. But we can't eat echidnas or frigging wombats or anything like that. No. Not that I'd probably want to. But people do eat kangaroo, though. That's why I'm confused.

And they're indigenous, Ken. That's a dingo? Yeah. Wow. They're good-looking dogs, though. That looks like a Shibuino. Yeah. Wow. They'd be Fraser Island dogs. Oh, yeah. So That's a dingo? Yeah, they're good-looking dogs. That looks like a Shibuino. Yeah. Wow.

They'd be Fraser Island dogs. Oh, yeah, you've got a dingo. So that's a purebred dingo. Wow. That's a beautiful dog. That feels like you could take that thing as a puppy and raise it. I've got a buddy who had one have a go at his little girl, like try and grab his little girl.

He had it as a puppy or just a wild one? No, just a wild one that come into the tent and tried to grab his little girl. He had it as a puppy? No, just a wild one that come into the tent and tried to grab his little girl. There's one ripping a wallaby down there. So what happened? He ended up killing the dog. He found it the next morning and ended up shooting it with his bow. It was a wild dingo.

A dingo ate my baby. Yeah, and I reckon there's some truth to that. Oh, yeah. I've seen how... For sure. They go fishing? Jesus Christ. A wild dingo eating a shark on a beach. That's a fucking cool photo.

That's a gangster-ass dog. Went and got himself a shark. It's a lot of meat in there. I wonder if someone actually caught the shark. That's another thing that people are freaking out about here in America. It's the most recent freak out. That's another thing that people are freaking out about here in America. It's the most recent freak out is people fishing and catching sharks. It's the same in Australia, dude.

Let it go. Oh, my God. Let it go. You used to be able to buy Mako shark. It was very common. You'd get it in a grocery store. Well, most flake, dude, most flake and the stuff that you buy in shark, like when you buy a battered bit of fish or something like that from one of them quick takeaways it does fish and chips yeah then most of that's actually

flake which is just a shark really yeah yeah no not here no specific australia no probably here too dude do you think they're serving up a lot of shark there's heaps of them and there's a ton of them they get in the next nets that's where they go really yeah hmm tastes good what's i've eaten mako shark before and it's delicious it's like swordfish it's the same as anything as long as we're not freaking killing them out well you know what happens is people find out that a lot of people are killing them for fins okay warning your your fish and chips could actually be shark damn i've been right a few times today you are a bad motherfucker this Oi, this bloke Australian, last name Bogan? This is in the UK.

He could fit right into Australia with a last name like Bogan. Yeah, cashed up Bogans. Did you tell me that? You might have told me that expression when I was there. No, it would have been Kim. Talking smack far out. But I think what happened was over here, the people found out about how many sharks get killed for the fins.

Yeah, I got it. Shark fin soup. And there was a big campaign to alert people about it. And so then the people that have just barely a peripheral awareness of conservation and fishing and animal life, then they started going, don't kill sharks. People are killing sharks. They're assholes. Meanwhile, they're eating a cod fillet.

Exactly, yeah. And having some salmon for lunch on their salad. Would you eat eat this fish a shark called a dogfish makes a tasty taco yeah i'd eat the fuck out of a dogfish it's still me it's still a fish i mean it's not a fish it's a shark but i just don't understand why people would differentiate between that and tuna how about you assholes that really love sushi back the fuck off of the tuna because they're killing all the goddamn tuna yeah there's probably more sharks there are tuna yeah that yeah there's some pretty strict regulations in australia the whole world needs it though like it's like no there's so there's some regulations that have come into the northern territory of australia now because

you can actually shoot a magpie geese with a bow and arrow so there's magpie geese and there's some introduced turkeys like what you guys have here in the States. They're the only birds that you can shoot with a bow and arrow in Australia. Oh, really? So they just brought in a season for magpie geese, which really restricts a lot of the hunters taking too many, which is fine. I think that's probably not a bad thing.

But then these birds fly to other countries where there's no restrictions at all and they just fucking get hammered, dude. So it's like we're doing everything we can on our part, but they just go somewhere else and get slaughtered anyway. Well, I don't understand. No, they don't. Start on Australia.

And the issues with the sharks as well. There's a few species that are highly protected in Australia, but they swim abroad, and they're fair game for anyone. Nobody eats great whites, though, right? Not that I know of. But I guess people would if they were starving.'re fair game for anyone. Nobody eats great whites though, right? Not that I know of. But I guess people would if they were starving. They would, for sure. I mean, it's probably just fish.

It probably tastes pretty good. I don't think they'd give up too fucking easy. That's another monster, living monster, dude. Oh, yeah. You know? Legit monster. Yeah. Yeah, there was an instance in San Diego a few years back where a bunch of these people

were training for a triathlon, and they were swimming in the ocean, and one out of nowhere just came and cut this guy in half right in front of everybody else. Just bit him right at the waist. That's scary, dude. Chopped him right in half. Chomp. Besides conserving their lives, shark meat can be terribly unhealthy. According to a CNN report from nearly 20 years ago, the mercury levels in sharks can cause

coordination loss, blindness, and even death. Scientists think that sharks accumulate mercury in their body because they eat many smaller fish. That's interesting. Why you shouldn't eat shark meat. Yeah. Doesn't marlin have a lot of mercury in it as well? I don't know.

They say a lot of Hawaiians don't like to eat marlin yeah you know but i've heard marlin's good yeah i think a lot of those big fish especially the predator ones are full of mercury makes sense yeah i mean it's like predators in general have a lot of weird things going on with their body if you eat them you know like mountain lions give you trichinosis this is an interesting study like uh it says at the top of the article an estimated 100 million sharks are killed each year to feed consumer demand. And then the study came from a report of 124 sharks that were tested, and one-third of them came in with mercury levels that were over FDA action level of one part per million. So out of 100 million sharks every year, 124 had a third of those were problematic.

So 30 sharks were problematic or so 40 out of how many but they didn't test that many though right yeah i mean they didn't test 100 million they tested 140 were bad oh that's not good that's not good what third it's real bad you think yeah that's terrible doesn't say maybe they were all in one area too they could have came out of one shitty maybe area well i've told know. Well, I've told this story a hundred times, but I'll say it again just quickly. I had arsenic in my body from when I did a blood test. And he said, what are you eating? And I said, I eat a lot of sardines. And the guy said, back off the sardines.

We'll try it again in a couple weeks. And the arsenic was gone. Holy shit. I was eating two cans of sardines a day. I love sardines. I don't know why. I like sardines on toast. I love sardines. I don't know why. I like sardines on toast. I love them.

They're great. It says this too. King mackerel and swordfish. Oh, do not eat shark, swordfish, king mackerel, or tilefish because they contain high levels of mercury. I've heard that about tuna as well. I don't know those fish. In certain areas, some tuna apparently contains high levels of mercury.

Yeah, okay. Yeah, we're assholes. I was reading something about fucking crabs. I put it up on my Twitter that crabs are getting Prozac in the water from human beings. Like, because so many fucking nutbags are on Prozac that it's getting into the oceans through runoff. And it's affecting crab behavior. And it's making crabs reckless. They already seem pretty fucking reckless. know they're bugs right but apparently it's making them reckless

here it goes prozac puts crabs in a mood to take deadly risks shit that is wrong with me and andrew eucles you guys are on prozac yeah i the fuck? I mean, how crazy is the human race where we are giving Prozac inadvertently to fucking crabs? And they're at a risk, apparently. They're worried about their population dying off or at least being affected because these crabs are doing reckless things and it's going to cause them to get preyed upon or die. What the fuck, man? Shit. Crab brains on SSRIs. What is that word?

How do you say that word, Jamie? Fluoxetine. Fluoxetine. Fluoxetine. Fluoxetine is a class of antidepressant called SSRI or selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor, meaning that it indirectly boosts the amount of mood-altering serotonin available to the brain. It's designed to affect people's brains in a way that can alleviate

depressive symptoms, but past research has shown that when a person's fluoxetine-filled waste enters their shit and piss, enters the waterways, it can alter the shore's crab's reproductive, molting, and digestive behaviors and may even cause the crabs to abandon their nocturnal schedule, according to the paper. Wow. Humans are cunts.

Well, we're definitely a mess. We're definitely a mess. Speaking of that, let's get out of here and go get something to eat. Yeah, that sounds awesome. I feel like I need to get you to say that you're coming to Australia. I'll come to Australia eventually.

I'll do some shows. Go hunting. We'll go to a nice restaurant, have dinner. Just come hunting, dude. Just say it. I don't want to get killed by a brown snake. Yes, you won't. I'll fucking protect you.

If I die and everybody who likes this podcast no longer gets a podcast, they'll be fucking mad at you for bringing me to Australia. It'll be worth it. To shoot some leather-skinned animal. It'll be fucking worth it. It takes forever to eat. You need to calm me Me, you and Cam. All right, we'll work something out.

Maybe not. Just say yes. Why don't we just go to Hawaii and shoot axes, dear? No, it's not the same. You need to come. Stay at a nice resort. Come to Arnhem Land.

Hunt buffalo. Sounds terrible. No. You get eaten by... Listen to what you're offering me. We'll drink buff piss together. Very authentic. Oh, why did I get chased by saltwater crocodiles and watch brown snakes Listen to what you're offering me. We'll drink buff piss together. Very authentic.

Get chased by saltwater crocodiles and watch brown snakes slither into our camp. Probably. Thanks for having me on the show again, brother. Always. Thanks, Jamie. Adam Greentree, ladies and gentlemen. Adam.greentree on Instagram. That's correct.

And first.man.image. Adam, get it? First man. Adam and Eve. Kim's wearing an Eve shirt today. She thinks she's fucking cool. That's adorable. That.image. Adam, get it? First man, Adam and Eve. Kim's wearing an Eve shirt today. She thinks she's fucking cool. That's adorable. That's adorable. All right.

Thanks, brother. Appreciate it. Thanks, buddy. It was fun.