The Joe Rogan Experience - #1042 - Krystyna Hutchinson & Corinne Fisher

Episode Date: November 21, 2017

Krystyna Hutchinson & Corinne Fisher are both stand up comedians, also known by the comedy duo name of Sorry About Last Night, and they also host a podcast called "Guys We Fucked" available on Spotify....

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Yeah, they're great. We got two of them. I love that you could pick the front or the back. That's an interesting way to start the podcast. Oh, wait, you can squirt it? We're talking about these toilets that have built in. It's not really a bidet. It's more like a butt cleaner, right? Bidets are kind of crude. You ever use a bidet? Is a bidet not a butt cleaner? I thought that's what it was.
Starting point is 00:00:20 It is, but it's not good at it. You know what I mean? This was good at it. Clayman's butt cleaner. The stream of water was the perfect size and pressure. And warmth. And I have had, I mean, if you want to get into it right off the bat, I've had an anal orgasm before with a vibrator and only once in my life. And that thing, I was like, if I stayed on here like 10 more minutes.
Starting point is 00:00:40 It could get you. I think it could. A lot of gals out there taking notes. I was like, I think I just use like diaper wipes in my butt. Yeah. That's good too. But I like think about it like, you know, like if my beard, if I had like shit smeared all over my beard, would that be cool with a diaper wipe and just going out in public?
Starting point is 00:00:57 I don't think so. Well, I mean, so the idea is to power wash it? Yeah. That's what that thing does. It power washes it. If I had shit in my face, though, I'd scrub it with my hands. I would just take a full shower.
Starting point is 00:01:09 I'd put my head in a tub of water for a little bit. They're very smart with the bidet and the bidet never caught on here in America. They just went with paper. Which gets caught in your butt and it gets caught if you're a girl with not a neatly tucked vagina like most women. It gets caught in there.
Starting point is 00:01:25 Yeah. And little pieces break off because it's soft. Yeah. That's why I use Scott brand toilet paper instead of Charmin. Everyone thinks I'm being cheap. And I'm like, no, I just don't want toilet paper stuck in my vagina. Do you ever wipe your dick with toilet paper or not? It's just your butthole.
Starting point is 00:01:38 No. I don't worry about that. Even the drip. What do you do with the drip? Just drop it right back in the underwear. Don't worry about it. Right back in the chamber. Yeah, it's not a concern.
Starting point is 00:01:48 Nice. I've always wondered that. Yeah, it's different. I mean, girls, you know, it's obviously not as efficient a delivery method. I know. Well, you really got to be careful about the wiping front to back. What do you got? Oh, no, right?
Starting point is 00:02:00 You wipe back to front once? My young daughter got sick from that. Oh. You have to learn the hard way. Yeah. She didn't understand. And we were on vacation, right. You went back to front once? My young daughter got sick from that. Oh. You have to learn the hard way. Yeah. She didn't understand. And we were on vacation, actually. And she got sick from it.
Starting point is 00:02:11 She was a little like. Did she get a fever? Yeah. She was only like, I want to say she was three or four. Oh, wow. Oh, no. Yeah. It was really young.
Starting point is 00:02:18 Yeah. It's like, you know, you want to like, even if you tell them, it doesn't make sense to them. Right. You know, back to front is the way you normally would go. But then you gotta do it in your head. You go that way. Until your arms get longer, yeah. Yeah, and then you gotta lift your leg up.
Starting point is 00:02:31 I can reach all the way around now. Do you wipe your ass with your leg up on the toilet? No, I stand up to wipe my ass. Me too. I do leg up. I like to get in there. But if you squat, though, you could get in the butthole area better. Mm-hmm. It's true. I always do a Captain Morgan stance to clean out the area when I stand up and wait in stance what's that he when he has oh and the leg up on the barrel because when you
Starting point is 00:02:53 stand up you got a wipe and wipe and lime and when you're like what is this gonna end yeah well that's why I think every toilet should really I mean it would it be hard to have one of those jet things and every toilet doesn't seem but that I think that's a big ask. Yeah. But my concern is, so, like, if you're squirting and then, like, poop crumbles are coming out and they're going back down, like, could it ever then hit the thing that's squirting on me and then could poop squirt back up at me?
Starting point is 00:03:16 Whoa. That's my main concern. Well, there's bigger concerns in life, but that is one. I mean, we're just specifically talking about toilet concerns, though. That major one. I don't think, because of the water pressure, I don't think the, you would have to have like a log. Like a chit.
Starting point is 00:03:34 I mean, it would have to just. You'd have to be prairie dogging. Right? Yeah, it would have to be like a cow patty. I have a high fiber diet. Who's horny? That's good. Anyway. We're sexperts.
Starting point is 00:03:48 Well, you're human. Every human that has sex is in some way a sexpert. Yeah, that's our platform because we don't know shit. We're not sexperts at all. I said the other day to Corinne, what's the name of the hole that hugs the tampon? She was like, wow. Okay, Christina. We did look it up.
Starting point is 00:04:04 Well, because people call the whole thing the vagina and that's inaccurate. Vaginas are so complicated. The whole thing is not a vagina. No, that's inaccurate. Just the sex hole is the vagina. People call the whole thing the vagina
Starting point is 00:04:20 but that's not technically accurate. So if the doors are closed and you look at it on the outside and you go, hey, that's a vagina. Like, nope. That's not technically correct. That's my labia. That's labia you're looking at there. There's the church.
Starting point is 00:04:31 Here's the staple. Open the doors and there's the clip. Well, let me tell you how I feel about it. I think it's fucking gross. The operation where they remove labia lips, that seems so goddamn crazy. Labioplasty, yeah. Somebody actually, because that doesn't do,
Starting point is 00:04:43 your vagina is fully functioning and it works fine. It's just aesthetic. And then if you get that surgery and it goes awry, that's not good. Somebody had emailed us once about, Dane Cook had a bit about like meaty pussy lips a while ago and she got labioplasty because of that bit. I was like, no!
Starting point is 00:05:00 Well, I liked Dane Cook a lot, but I had talked about that because I was watching his special and I just put my hands over my face and I was like, this is not what we need at all. But I was like, surely no one's going to do it because he said that it's a joke. He's a comic. But he's a cute comic. So then you're like, should I do it?
Starting point is 00:05:20 Not me personally, I mean, but it also desensitizes the area a lot. Oh, I imagine. You're cutting meat and stitching things back up and things get numb. Oh, God. I had knee surgery and there's a slice down my knee that I had this knee operated on in 1994 and it's still numb. Oh, whoa. Yeah, the skin, they did what's called a patella tendon graft, where they cut a long slice.
Starting point is 00:05:46 They took a piece of your patella. They pull that out and then they stitch it inside the knee. And that area in the front where they took the scar, like where the scar is, it's numb. So there's just no nerves, nerve endings there. I don't feel it. Whoa. It feels noticeably different than the sides. Like that one strip where the scar is.
Starting point is 00:06:04 Damn. Very different. So imagine that's your pussy. Yeah. I was like, imagine your pussy is your knee. And that one strip where the scar is. Damn. It's very different. So imagine that's your pussy. Yeah, I was like, imagine your pussy is your knee and that just, so what's the point of life? What's the point of living? Now I'm always just going to envision your knees as my pussy whenever I see you. It's got the pussy knee.
Starting point is 00:06:15 It would be a big pussy too because it's quite a large opening. Yeah. And that's why babies come out. Otherwise you have to get C-sections and then the baby doesn't get the proper vagina juices on the baby, and then they don't get the right amount of healthy bacteria. Right, yeah, okay. Now I know why there's a notepad here. I'm taking notes on this.
Starting point is 00:06:35 Vagina juices. Underline this. They say that a baby born by cesarean section, especially elective cesarean section, it's actually unhealthy for the baby's immune system. I thought you were going to say hotter. Because your pussy stays the same. Well, no, because they don't... Also, your face doesn't get smushed.
Starting point is 00:06:52 Exactly. They're not mashed when they come out. They don't look like they got a facelift. Photo ready. Face tuned. We've heard... What? We didn't know what face tuning was.
Starting point is 00:07:01 We've been in LA for like three days. We've heard face tuning five times. I've never heard it until you just said it. You know you can auto-tune Britney Spears' voice so it sounds listenable to the general public. You can also do that to your fucking face. What? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:14 So it's like it's an app and then beyond filters, you actually can like take your finger and if I think my face looks too fat, I can smudge it in so that it's thinner. But then you meet somebody in person. They're like, oh, fatty. All the celebrities do it, apparently. Oh, come on. Not all of them. Well, not you.
Starting point is 00:07:32 Well, the weird ones do. But see, the thing is, if you're doing that and then someone meets you in person, that was the issue with the Kim Kardashian Mexico pictures. You know, that's the whole thing. Kim Kardashian. I can imagine. I love that you're up on this though. I am.
Starting point is 00:07:46 I'm such a bitch. Kim Kardashian brings photographers with her and they pretend that she's getting paparazzi'd. Oh. But it's really she hires these people, then they take the photos, and then they doctor the photos. They Photoshop them, and then they release them as candid photos. Well, she went down to Mexico and some real paparazzi were there. Some real unpaid
Starting point is 00:08:06 ones and they got un-retouched ass shots and it is a monster. Oh, this cellulite one? Really? Well, it's not cellulite. Here's the thing. It's fat taken out of her body and stuffed into her ass to give her this diaper look. So it looks like she's wearing a diaper? It's a meat diaper and you don't
Starting point is 00:08:22 realize how gross it looks until you see it in real life. I've seen one of those in real life, and it's chaotic. I've only seen them with pants on. I haven't seen them naked. But I saw one, and I was like, what in the fuck are you doing to your body? It's chaos. Because you're sucking fat out of your sides and your inner thigh and all this. Like, look at that.
Starting point is 00:08:39 Whoa. What in the fuck is that? What the fuck is that? That's a diaper. And here's the thing. I've got to say, I don't think it looks that bad. Oh, you're crazy. Would you still?
Starting point is 00:08:46 Go find the Mexico pictures because there was paparazzi pictures of her walking on the beach. Okay. Ooh. See, that's not even the bad ones. This makes me like her more. Why? Because she's not perfect.
Starting point is 00:08:59 This humanizes her. Okay, but wait a minute. She's projecting a fake perfection. As if she is. Yeah. And that's her business. And people want, anyone who thinks
Starting point is 00:09:08 Kim Kardashian is actually perfect is ridiculous. Or young. I mean, have, and impressionable. Yeah. Yeah, but I think,
Starting point is 00:09:15 And people are held up to way higher standards. Yeah, but it's, You look at that and you go, oh my God, how can I be like that? It's not celebrity's job
Starting point is 00:09:20 to be role models, though. I mean, especially, it's a parent's job or guardian's job to step in and be like, maybe Ruth Bader Ginsburg, you ever heard of her? Well, that's true. But the reality is, if you're a little kid and you're paying attention to online stuff without supervision and you're hanging out with friends at school, you're going to be affected by this. Because this woman makes hundreds of millions of dollars. She's super glamorous.
Starting point is 00:09:42 She's on television. And you find out that she got fat stuffed into her ass to make that thing. It's annoying because she cheated, kind of. That's what it feels like. It's like, well, if you're projecting this image of perfection, and then it's like, well, that's not really, that's a lot of work to get the paparazzi that you hire to then edit it and then put it out like, ah, she's casually on the beach. In her defense, it's a business.
Starting point is 00:10:04 It is. Her business is this, you know, looking, I mean, I don't even know what her voice sounds like, right? I do. Oh, I was just casually on the beach. In her defense, it's a business. I mean, her business is this, you know, looking, I mean, I don't even know what her voice sounds like, right? I do. And I mean, I just play a clip of her saying a sentence to my child and be like, you know, it doesn't matter. It does, though. So you could say that.
Starting point is 00:10:18 You could say that, but if you're a 16-year-old girl and, you know, you see her on television, you see her being popular. I was a 16-year-old girl at one time see her on television, you see her being popular. I was a 16-year-old girl at one time, and there certainly were people who looked hotter, but I still turned out okay. I don't by any means have a perfect 10 body.
Starting point is 00:10:33 But she has confidence. I truly love myself and my unbothered body. I don't have any problems with it. And I still ingested a lot of this kind of fluffy pop culture. I actually love pop culture. It's one of my favorite things, which is just inane information about celebrities. Right, but this is a different kind of pop culture. I actually love pop culture. It's one of my favorite things, which is just inane information about celebrities. Right, but this is a different kind of pop culture
Starting point is 00:10:49 because this is pop culture that is famous for just being famous. Being hot. Yeah. This is what I would call Instagram culture, like these Instagram models and everything. You do have to be careful about that because even I find myself at 32
Starting point is 00:11:01 flipping through Instagram and going like, wow, there's a lot of work to do. You know? There's some dude. I don't know who he was. Some black guy. That's good.
Starting point is 00:11:11 I don't know who he was. He just was some funny dude who had this video post about Instagram girls saying, I want to thank all my fans. He goes, yo, listen, you don't have fans. I'm just a pervert. I'm not your fan. Yeah. And he goes, and if you keep showing pictures of your ass,'ll keep looking yeah because i like that shit so stop pretending that you've
Starting point is 00:11:28 got some talent yeah you got a bunch of people who love you that's uncomfortable that's so uncomfortable you don't need talent to have fans though sadly you just gotta be hot i sometimes i there are people who i'm just fans of their ass i don't have a problem are you not fans of their ass. I don't have a problem. Are you not fans of anyone's ass? Or bodies? Yeah, I guess. I'm a fan of looking at Kim Kardashian, and I have no problem saying that. I enjoy looking at her.
Starting point is 00:11:52 Yeah, but what he said was funny. That's one of my points. Yeah. He was pointing it out. You're like, well, let's go break it down specifically. Yeah, don't put me on this hierarchy of a fan. I'm down here jerking off to you in my bedroom. Yeah, I'm a fan of certain musicians.
Starting point is 00:12:04 Right, exactly. I don't follow you around. Although some people do. But yeah, no, Corinne was always very naturally confident. She's the only person I know that's a woman that is actually confident. We must know someone else. Do we?
Starting point is 00:12:17 That's so sad. No, just like the way you are confident is very unique. Because she truly doesn't give a shit. That's my only talent. And everyone comes up to me and they're like, Corininne corinne's like really insecure right i'm like she's honestly not thank you that's very nice are you confident are you insecure what's your insecurities um i'm pretty confident i guess but everyone's insecure a little a little bit being a human you worry about your own mortality you worry about all sorts of things i like that
Starting point is 00:12:44 we're gonna die i'm constantly worried about that human. You're worried about your own mortality. You worry about all sorts of things. I like that we're going to die. I'm constantly worried about that. Yeah. Constantly. People are worried about everything. You're worried about your health. You're worried about social status, your position in society, your friends. Worrying about your health isn't insecurity, though.
Starting point is 00:12:57 That's just, I mean, neuroses. You're so insecurity, Cale. Security. Like, it's a broad definition, isn't it? If you think of insecurity, what do you think of? Just like how people perceive you that don't know you? I think it's constantly trying to make up for something that you feel like you're lacking in, like an area you're lacking in.
Starting point is 00:13:15 So a lot of people aren't confident in their intelligence, their health. Whatever occupation you are, that you're not the best in it. I mean, I constantly think I have things to work on. I'll never be satisfied until I'm the best, which will never happen. So it's just a constant loop. The best at? Anything. Existing. Existing.
Starting point is 00:13:36 Anything I want to do, I want to try to do. And I don't, I tend not to do things if I don't think that I can excel in them. Which is why I don't have fun. It's so true. It's very true. You don't have that I can excel in them. Which is why I don't have fun. It's so true. It's very true. You don't have any fun? We did go to Universal Studios yesterday. That was fun. What do you mean by you don't have any fun?
Starting point is 00:13:51 I don't like fun. What? I have a bit about how I don't like fun. I like working as opposed to fun. Just frivolous fun. If I feel like it's a waste of, like just hanging out. I have a hard time just like hanging out.
Starting point is 00:14:07 Yeah, like a hard time relaxing. If we're not doing something. That's why I like hanging out with Christina because she's my friend but we're also getting work done at the same time. Like when we were in Universal, we were in line, we were creating the intro for the show last night.
Starting point is 00:14:17 We were always working. Oh, that's cool. But then I discovered psychedelics and I feel like that's the only kind of like, that's the release that I need. Hmm. So you don't enjoy like recreational activities activities like you don't want to go fishing or whitewater rafting that's athletic so i feel like that is productive because i'm uh making my body stronger so i do like stuff like that but it's very analytical there has to be a purpose to it yeah
Starting point is 00:14:37 i'm not fun i mean i like skiing but it's because i was like, I'm doing something. I'm learning a new skill. I'm getting exercise. Yeah, no one's ever like, oh, Corinne, I want to party with that girl. No, yeah, no one. I mean, gosh, I mean, unless I'm drinking. Or, yeah, like DMT or some shit. Yeah, then that's super fun. She's so sweet when she's drunk.
Starting point is 00:14:57 It's so weird because she gives you compliments and you never hear a compliment from her. And she's like, you look really good tonight, Christina. I'm like, bitch, you wasted. You always look good, though. I think it's important to space out compliments so that they're really powerful. Space them out. Yeah, when you give them it. Ration them. Yes, yes, yes, exactly.
Starting point is 00:15:17 Interesting. You seem interesting. What is going on in your head right now? Nothing. Just trying to figure out why you would eschew fun. I mean, it's not a bad thing. It's great that you're going to get more work done. But has it served you well?
Starting point is 00:15:35 Yes. What's good then? You're sitting here. Absolutely. You guys have a great name for a podcast, by the way. Thank you. Thank you. I use you guys as an example all the time.
Starting point is 00:15:44 And when you do, people email us, they tweet us, and we go up like 10 positions in the podcast charts. I'm like, God damn. I know. My manager was like the Rogan bump. I was like, yeah, we thank you. Well, I use you guys as a great example of people that didn't have like a big social media profile or a big, you weren't on big TV shows, but your podcast shot up because
Starting point is 00:16:04 it's good. Because it's fun. I like how you guys banter with each other too You almost finish each other's sentences And you almost talk over each other But you don't It's like you have a thought And you'll interject with your thought While you're having a thought
Starting point is 00:16:16 And then you pick up your thought Right after her It's like you guys have a weird It's a dance Yes We've been working together for many years Before the podcast So I think
Starting point is 00:16:24 And there was A lot of episodes Of Guys We Fuck That I would have to go back And listen to And be very embarrassed By how many times I interrupted the fucking guest Or her
Starting point is 00:16:32 And so Yeah It's hard right When you're enthusiastic And you're It is hard And someone's talking And you don't know
Starting point is 00:16:37 When to do it Yeah We have a secret Twin language We do We've said like The same sentence A long sentence
Starting point is 00:16:44 At the same time And it's very creepy We'll talk We've said like the same sentence, a long sentence at the same time. It's very creepy. We'll talk with our eyes when we're doing like a live show and know exactly what the next thing we need to do is. Yeah. Now, when you say you guys worked together before you did the podcast, what did you do? Our comedy deal was called Sorry About Last Night. So we did stand-up shows we would produce.
Starting point is 00:17:02 We did a two-woman show at UCB. We would do sketches, video sketches, just shit, anything we thought was funny. And this was one of the impetus for the podcast was a breakup. Corinne got dumped in a Panera Bread. And it was like the worst I've ever seen anybody handle a breakup meeting.
Starting point is 00:17:18 It really took a toll on her. It was not good. She doesn't show a lot of emotion, so to see her cry, I was like, oh, shit. And then one day she texted me. She's like, we should just interview every guy we've ever fucked. We'll do it on not good. She doesn't show a lot of emotion. So like to see her cry, I was like, oh shit. And then one day she texts me. She's like, we should just interview every guy we've ever fucked. We'll do it on a podcast. We'll just call guys we fucked. And I was like, yeah, actually that's yeah, that's good.
Starting point is 00:17:34 I like how you call it an anti slut shaming podcast too. That was a, yeah, that's what I, that was my addition. That needs to stop. Yeah. It's a ridiculous thing. I'm glad you agree. It's ridiculous. And also you need to stop slut shaming yourself. I think a lot of people That needs to stop. Yeah. It's a ridiculous thing. I'm glad you agree. It's ridiculous. And also, you need to stop slut shaming yourself.
Starting point is 00:17:48 I think a lot of people do that to themselves. Yeah. And I feel like Guys We Fucked is the female Viagra because it gets women have written us like, I want to go out and have sex because now I know how to communicate what I want. I know it's not weird to say what I want. I'm not a slut if I sleep with somebody on the first date or have a one-night stand. It's like, that's really cool. Well, I think this country, we still have the echoes of the Puritans that landed here.
Starting point is 00:18:11 I mean, there's some weird sexual politics that go on in this country. There's some weird way that we have of viewing sex that I think is directly connected to the original way this country was founded. There's some serious prudishness that exists in America that doesn't exist in other places. And some people think it's a good thing because they think that we get more work done because of it. That our society is more geared towards productivity and getting ahead as opposed to some societies that don't. But if you stifle a part of yourself, though, that's going to come out somehow. And that's why people sexually assault. I was going to say the repression, I think, is why people act out sexually.
Starting point is 00:18:50 Because any religion that represses people, it's like you're going to explode one day. Catholicism. I mean, it's the classic example. There was as many people in NASCAR that fucked kids as Catholic priests. How quick would they shut down NASCAR? Yes, very quickly. Like, religion is so controlling. But you can watch documentary after documentary.
Starting point is 00:19:11 Do you know the whole story about Ratzinger, who was the last pope? He was wanted for crimes against humanity. I mean, this guy literally cannot leave Rome. If he goes to certain places, he could be tried for crimes against humanity. What he did when he was a bishop or whatever the fuck the position they call,
Starting point is 00:19:30 he was taking priests that were molesting kids and covering it up and moving them to another parish. He moved one priest to a place where he molested
Starting point is 00:19:38 100 deaf kids. Oh, God damn. Yeah. And this was 100% factual, proven, non-speculative i mean he's he's responsible for moving these people and the number of catholic priests i mean first of all there's got to be some catholic priests out there who are wonderful people and i'm sorry you get lumped into this but the sheer number of catholic priests that have been involved in molesting kids, it's fucking stunning.
Starting point is 00:20:07 It's terrifying. Yeah, we had a guy email us that was in Boston and was molested by one of the priests. And he got interviewed by that breaking piece about them. One thing I've learned from doing Guys We Fuck, though, that really surprised me, I feel like 85% of the population has either been molested as children or raped or sexually assaulted in some way, like some big way, not just like groping. And it's, I had no idea it was that common. And then I thought back, I'm like, shit. Like I had one time I went to this doctor because I had to get blood work.
Starting point is 00:20:36 So I picked a general doctor and he was like, it was this old man. He's like, I'm gonna give you a breast exam. I was like, huh? Okay. And then I, and he went real slow with it. And then I left, I put my shirt back on and I left the doctor's office and I was walking home and I was like, wait a second. Oh, God damn it.
Starting point is 00:20:53 I was so, I was like, how did I let that slide? Fuck. And then I turned into a bit, I was like, you ever been sexually assaulted, but you didn't realize until afterwards. And then you're like, fuck. Well, there's been a series of doctors that have been arrested for drugging their patients and then molesting while they're under cameras like some patients had suspected it and so they had done the investigation and put hidden cameras and caught the
Starting point is 00:21:15 doctors feeling them I even caught doctors having sex with patients oh why they were under these are things that I maybe just didn't need to know no there's some fucking creeps out there people are I mean I maybe just didn't need to know no there's some fucking creeps out there people are I mean I know because you're you're from Jersey
Starting point is 00:21:28 as well right I was born there but I only lived there until I was seven oh okay because I was like my grandfather was in the hospital
Starting point is 00:21:33 for cancer when that angel of death I don't know if you heard about this doctor that was coming around like killing people and we're pretty we're pretty sure
Starting point is 00:21:41 that's what happened to your grandpa? he died like pretty abruptly. And it's like, I don't know. It's like, my mom's going to kill me. I'm revealing it here. But she had said something to me privately.
Starting point is 00:21:53 And I guess it was just too upsetting. You can't trust anybody is the main thing. Damn. It's not that you can't trust anybody. It's like, you're going to run into so many people. We were talking before the podcast started about social media about like one out of ten if you have nine people that are awesome and then one out of ten is just a fucking creep you get upset yeah god damn it it makes you want to stay off now think
Starting point is 00:22:14 about running into people how many hundreds of people you run into all it takes is one creep and so it's not that you can't trust people it's just like you're gonna run into a certain amount of creeps just based on the numbers. Yeah. Yeah. Because the majority of people are not sexual predators, are not giant pieces of shit. But the ones that are really stick out. I think what you're talking about, too, is big, too, about the suppression.
Starting point is 00:22:36 I think the suppression, any sort of suppression of desires, it fosters that sort of creepy behavior. Yep. of desires it it it fosters that sort of creepy behavior yep it builds up and it looks for some sort of an outlet and that outlet comes out in really weird ways like i have a friend well jim norton he's pretty open about it but he loves dominatrixes and he gets he goes to them and all that kind of shit and one of the things that he tells me is that these ladies say that a giant percentage of their business is like really powerful CEOs, button down men who have to like be in control all the time, have to, you know, have a very rigid profile that they're projecting to their company and that these guys love to get shit on, kicked in the balls and, you know, they love to be told what to do.
Starting point is 00:23:24 Work hard, play hard what's am i right it's there's a there's a thing that's happening to people when you have to pretend to be something that you're not oh yeah that's why you find a lot of uh i'm jewish and so like a lot of orthodox jewish men are that really there's a there's a lot of you know hiring sex workers on the down low and a lot of i mean this is a very broad statement to make but you know a lot of, you know, hiring sex workers on the down low. And a lot of I mean, this is a very broad statement to make. But, you know, a lot of touching on the subway kind of behavior. You just see it more. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:53 Did you see the that they're making sex robots that look really they look like actual women? I mean, you could tell it's a robot, but it looks very close. And I was thinking, like, because women have, I think with women, they oppress themselves a lot with their own sexuality. And I'm like, man, women are the ones that should be getting the sex dolls, because then we could feel what it's like to have sex without giving a shit what the person we're having sex with thinks, because it's a fucking doll. Right.
Starting point is 00:24:18 And you could really go buck wild and let loose and be vulnerable. Right. And if you could use a vibrator, you could use a robot. Yeah. Oh, I would love a sex robot. Would you let a robot take you in the butt? Nah, in the butt. I mean, that sounds dangerous. Could the robot do foreplay? I'd have to get one of those toilet seats and then maybe, yeah, I would. These are dolls, though.
Starting point is 00:24:36 These are guys who choose dolls as their life partners. I did an article about this once. Oh, my. Whatever you want to do. When I wrote this article, this guy contacted me and he told me he had severe acne when he was young and that he's disfigured and he's never had
Starting point is 00:24:51 sex with a woman and this is why. And he said if you want to ask me some questions I'd be happy to answer you. It was all anonymously through email. So he and I started going back and forth about this. Because he was upset at the article that I was mocking these guys that think that this is their girlfriend. I mean, I see where you're coming from.
Starting point is 00:25:10 Yeah. I see his point, too, though. Imagine if you were just. He has an insecurity and he didn't want to be vulnerable with a person because you're risking the rejection and that rejection hurts. But I feel like in addition to the repression thing, though, I think masculinity. I watched this documentary called The Mask I Live In on Netflix. It's so good.
Starting point is 00:25:27 And it points out these little things that little boys pick up. Like, you know, I was at a pool with my friend one summer and this dad was trying to get his son to jump in the pool. And he was like, come on, don't be a girl. Jump in the pool. And then he jumped in. But those little tiny things get in your head. in. But those little tiny things get in your head and it gets to the point where when you're a grown man, you feel like you deserve
Starting point is 00:25:46 pussy or the getting pussy or getting girls is going to make you up you know, raise in status and that's fucked up. Yeah, it's also like a kind of a perpetuating cycle because if you're an idiot and you raise kids that are idiots, you know what I mean? It's like if your parents were dumb
Starting point is 00:26:02 and they raised you, you might have some really shitty ideas in your head that you've got to iron out. And sometimes it takes a lot of life experience to figure out what those are and how to get them out. If you ever are self-aware of it. I feel like people go through their whole lives. They never know. 100%. I mean, there's a lot of people you run into that are 70.
Starting point is 00:26:18 Like I was watching this video on YouTube. This guy, he looked like he was in his late 60s. And he was giving some Asian guy a hard time on the bus. He was saying all this racist stuff. Oh, I watched that. I watched that too. I was like, Jesus Christ, this is an old guy. Yeah. This old guy. He also seemed a little not
Starting point is 00:26:36 off. Yeah, he was a little mentally unstable. Yeah. Off. The night I saw that video, actually, there was a guy doing the same thing to a black I there was a guy doing the same thing to a black I was at a Panera Bread and there's this black guy
Starting point is 00:26:48 who's working there what happens at a Panera Bread it's always at a Panera Bread we're trying to get them to sponsor our tour I know honestly so we just buy gift cards
Starting point is 00:26:57 instead and give them out as prizes at the show break up some racism at Panera Bread no but this guy he wasn't old but he was saying the n-word
Starting point is 00:27:04 like very I was like I want to intervene but he might stab me was he saying it about someone to the to the employee and the employee was trying to brush i'm like oh god damn it that sucks and he was obviously i don't know what the hell was up with him mentally but he had some some issues and he was talking to himself and smacking himself and pushing his chair over and picking it back up and i was like you need to get the fuck out of here, man. And then I kind of like ran away. I'm like, don't hit me. But then he eventually left.
Starting point is 00:27:31 Yeah, there's that fine line. Like, when do you intervene if someone's mentally unstable? You can't fix them. You're not going to shame them. They're talking to voices that aren't even talking to them. I know. So if you say, hey, you need to get the fuck out of here and then they decide to shoot you. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:46 And then you're dead. And hopefully that employee, like, yeah, he realized that the guy wasn't there, like, all there, hopefully,
Starting point is 00:27:51 and was like, this doesn't matter. I feel like the Asian guy on the subway figured that out too, right? he was so chill. Yeah, he was realizing it.
Starting point is 00:27:59 I've seen that a lot in New York City though. People that seem disturbed and then just going off on racist rants to people, to their faces. I'm like, damn. A lot of homophobic rants I've seen, too. Like straight up to gay people? Yeah. But I mean, again, people who are, as you say, off.
Starting point is 00:28:17 I mean, there was a guy not too long ago who just went up to the man sitting next to me and he was like, yo, I saw you looking at me. You're looking at me. I'm not like that. I'm not going to fuck you. And this young woman, this young woman did step in. You're not. Very much like Christina.
Starting point is 00:28:32 And I'm kind of just thinking in my head, I love to step in. But that was not when someone is mentally unstable. We just all realized, like, okay, we're not going to take anything this person is saying to heart. Subways are so weird because you're jamming that little thing with people and they know you can't get out. And that feeling of vulnerability is always in the air. And because of that, people that are fucked up will take advantage of that feeling. Oh, yeah. It's also a great place for sexual assault.
Starting point is 00:28:57 Most of the sexual assaults I've experienced have been on the subway. Just hard cocks, elbowing them away, stop by stop. The worst is when you're on the subway late at night and there's not many people in the car and then you look up across from you and there's this guy with his hand down his pants and he's going to town on his dick and you're like i want to die and you make eye contact with them and you're like fuck or when someone sits right next to you when there's absolutely no reason to do that yeah yeah yeah yeah man yeah a lot of shit happens on the subway i've seen people take a shit.
Starting point is 00:29:25 You saw someone take a shit on the subway? Yeah, multiple times. What happens? Once on the platform. Yeah, they just take a shit. Early in the morning is bathroom usage time if you don't have a bathroom to go to on the subway. So do they do it on the floor or do they do it over the edge? On the floor. They don't have that guy courtesy.
Starting point is 00:29:42 Come on. Yeah, they don't want to get hurt. Are you talking about homeless people? I think so. I would say yes, but maybe one or two of them haven't been. I don't have that guy courtesy. Come on. Yeah, they don't want to get hurt. Are you talking about homeless people? I think so. I would say yes, but maybe one or two of them haven't been. I don't know. We're just in a hurry. Or they drank Caveman Nitro and they had to go. I'm going to shit on the floor. How many people have you seen shit on the floor?
Starting point is 00:29:56 Four. Wow, you have more than me. I think I only saw two. How many masturbators have you seen? Ugh, endless. I ruined my favorite McDonald's for me one time I ruined an audition this guy had like an elephant
Starting point is 00:30:07 he had like elephantitis of the dick and his dick he had sweatpants on but it it was like a it was like the size of that that wooden box in his pants
Starting point is 00:30:17 and I'm like no way and then he was like I'm like oh no totally fucked up the audition in the pants or out of the pants in the pants but his hands were outside of the pants. So it might not have been real.
Starting point is 00:30:27 I don't know. He was cradling it. He was cradling it. He didn't like those Hulk fists that people put on. Was it real? He was just doing a little jokey joke. So everyone thought he had a hard big cock. Maybe he's one of those YouTube pranksters.
Starting point is 00:30:37 Like, that was his thing. Hey, if he was, great prankster. Really thought. Fucked you up for a couple years. Fucked me up for a while. It was just Sal from Impractical Jokers. Oh, yeah. In prosthetics.
Starting point is 00:30:48 Do you know that San Francisco, they have such a problem with people shitting on the streets, they have an app. They have an app where you can find out where the human shit is and report it so you can avoid it. Yeah, they have like piles of human shit. Oh, my God. San Francisco is super duper liberal, almost to the point where they've created an issue. They're like, let it be there. They want to shit. Oh my god. San Francisco is super duper liberal. Almost to the point where they're like they've created an issue. They're like let it be there. They want to shit. Well it's like they're just super open
Starting point is 00:31:09 minded lefties. That's where we invited the homeless man in San Francisco to do karaoke with us. Oh but it was the best night ever. My brother lives there and he was like stop doing that. Is that where all the poop is? Why is the rent so expensive there then? Well I think they're trying to combat that by shitting on the streets.
Starting point is 00:31:26 That's a good tactic. Get the elites to shit on the streets. But that's all poo areas that have been documented. Oh my God. See, there's like a... Human wasteland. I'm sure it's got to be near the Tenderloin, right? That's probably where a lot of people do their shitting.
Starting point is 00:31:38 Oh my God. I love San Francisco, by the way, but one of the things about them is that they're so progressive. by the way, but one of the things about them is that they're so progressive. They're so left, hard left that they just tolerate homeless people in like a really weird way. Yeah, we
Starting point is 00:31:51 didn't know that the homeless people in San Francisco tend to have a reputation of being aggressive and we were at karaoke. That was the night before I took the wee cookie of doom, right? The wee cookie of doom? Did you get it from Joey Diaz? No, I got it from a fan.
Starting point is 00:32:07 Why? Did you do that? I know, we've since learned. Yeah. But we were having karaoke. It was after our show. We were with her brother and the friends and we were singing
Starting point is 00:32:15 and it was just like a fun, really fun night. And there was this homeless guy who comes up outside and he's just like looking in like he wants to partake. He was dancing on the street. Yeah, he was like dancing to the music and it was like those scenes where, you know,
Starting point is 00:32:27 everyone's having a fun, warm Christmas inside and then little Tommy's outside going, and I was like, Corinne, we should, and then Corinne like goes up and is like, come in, you want to dance? We bought him beers. Oh, no. No, it went so well.
Starting point is 00:32:40 It was. My brother reacted like you and then. As did everybody else. And then the magic of the guys we fucked out brought him in. We did buy him a couple beers and then later found out he was an alcoholic. But he was already drunk. So I was like, this is not the day that he's going to get back on the wagon. And I asked him about him and his life.
Starting point is 00:33:02 And when was the last time you hung out like i was just asking him about himself and he seemed to really like the way he was answering and it was like no one ever asked me about me i'm like whoa he said it was like the best night of his life and then he did mildly grope christina oh he did yeah but you know the weed cookie made you black out i wasn't on the weed cookie at that point. Shit, I really get groped a lot. But in that situation, it's like, you know, a grope for your service. Where did he grope me? I love how I'm asking Corinne where and when I got groped.
Starting point is 00:33:37 Just like a slow release from the hug. You know, sometimes like normally when you hug, you release out. You don't have to slide to release. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, though. He was drunk, right? So, who knows if he even knew what he was... You know what? I was like, you're gonna dig your own grave there. I didn't care. But are you sure that that was what he did?
Starting point is 00:33:55 That he grabbed her tits? Yeah, I'm pretty fluent in groping. But she didn't note it. She never knows. She's been sexually assaulted like millions of times, and she doesn't realize it. Are you sure you have the same definitions as her? Touching someone's breast without them wanting you to touch it is groping.
Starting point is 00:34:11 But it's tricky. But if you have someone you're holding them on the side and you release your hands. No, I'm talking. Did he touch your tits? Listen, I'm not trying to have this guy lose his cameo on House of Cards. It's fine. You know. I'm just trying to figure out what he did. I think I remember.
Starting point is 00:34:28 I didn't even say anything. And then you're like, no, not the pussy. Oh, he tried to grab your pussy. See, I thought it was a breast, but you know, it was an area, one of the no-no areas. He got feely. I do remember going, no, no, no, don't ruin yourself for me,
Starting point is 00:34:44 please. He got feely. You guys were hanging out. You had a few drinks and he got feely. Yeah, but I didn't care. I was happy that he had a good time and he was smiling. He wasn't smiling because of that, hopefully. So there's like a spectrum for sexual assault, right? Yes, there is.
Starting point is 00:34:59 There is, yeah. There's like the casual, like not quite touch your breasts, but hey, you went too far. Well, weird. You grabbed me right here. This is getting a little weird. This isn't a hug. Right. This is weird.
Starting point is 00:35:09 I mean, that's you using your hands as underwire, right? Yeah, exactly. Have you ever gone to someone and said, hey? Like under tit on your hands is not good. Good to see you. But a hug, you could feel breasts on a hug. You can. That's normal.
Starting point is 00:35:20 Chest to chest hugs are good because hands move too good. And then even though you can feel it With your chest Are you a hugger? Everybody's a hugger You're not a hugger? She ain't a hugger You're an odd girl
Starting point is 00:35:32 She is in a good way If I know them I think it's strange I think it's strange to hug someone The first time you meet them Without knowing anything about them Like I We shook hands when I first met you
Starting point is 00:35:44 And I will now hug you on the way out if I'm allowed with your consent. I would love to hug you. What? But it's like, I want- Let's not get too consent-y here. I want my- See, I was going for the hug, and I was like, I don't know what he's thinking.
Starting point is 00:35:56 I was comfortable until you just used your hands as underwire, so now I'm scared. Or did this. Well, I should tell you that I have very sensitive breasts, so my breasts are lucky. So if you hug me, I don't really have sensitive breasts. I'm just going to lick your face. Andy Dick style? Oh, yeah. I worked with Andy for five years.
Starting point is 00:36:15 We love Andy. He's the only man that's ever jerked off in front of me. Continue. Everyone has an Andy Dick story. I just opened the door once. My trailer, and he was jerking off. Knocked on the door. In your trailer? Let me in. door once in my trailer and he was jerking off. Knocked on the door. In your trailer?
Starting point is 00:36:26 Let me in. I opened the door and he was jerking off. Oh, he was trying to get into your trailer. He was, I don't know what he was doing. He was either being silly, which is Andy, or he was high as fuck, which is Andy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or he was looking to fuck me, which is also Andy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:39 It could have been a number of different things. He's always said to me, Stephen and I, like, Steven's my boyfriend, and we've met Andy. We've hung out with Andy a bunch. And he'll say in front of Steven, like, when are you going to leave your boyfriend and come fuck with something, like, really funny in front of Steven? And I fucking love it. He's a funny dude. Yeah, he is. But he has no filter, and he has no control.
Starting point is 00:36:59 And he wants to sometimes, and, like, he'll go on, like, he did my my podcast once and he was talking about being sober he's like i'm sober now i'm really happy i go so you're gonna stay sober he goes i don't know we'll just have to see how it plays out it was but it was also one of those things where you understand his mindset is not like he he's embraced his lack of control in some sort of strange way instead of like trying to reformulate the way he views the parameters that he establishes for him to have a healthy, happy life.
Starting point is 00:37:31 Because he was living in his ex-wife's shed. He had a podcast called Shed Life or something like that. Hey, turn it into a comedy thing, you know? The Shed Show, that's what he called it. The Shed Show. His programming is great. Did you also remember he had that the shed show that's what he called it the shed show his programming is great did you also remember he had that reality tv show called the ass
Starting point is 00:37:48 assistant which is to this day one of the funniest things i've ever seen oh that's right we like abuse potential assistance yeah just funny physical what back in the days when people could you know just appreciate physical assault for what it was yeah Yeah. Well, let's go back to that time. It's not the same with him because he's so crazy and you know it going in. Yeah. But still, if you're standing next to him and then he just reaches over and grabs your tit, it's still wrong. Of course. But I have a love for him in my heart that part of who he is is kind of like you never
Starting point is 00:38:23 know what he's going to do kind of thing. To me, I don't have it in my head when I hang out with him. I'm like, is he going to assault me? I don't never think that, but that's what I love about him is he's very unpredictable. He's struggling. He really is a sweet guy. And he's super talented.
Starting point is 00:38:37 When we would do scenes together, I would have to redo the scene over and over again because I'd crack up. It'd be a real problem. He's really talented. Well, the thing with him is when we met him, he was sober.
Starting point is 00:38:48 So we kind of went into it knowing sober Andy Dick. And we actually met him at, I mean, I think it's supposed to be called these days rehab facility. It was a halfway house. And we met him
Starting point is 00:38:57 and he had just, I reached out to his agent's assistant and he randomly agreed to do our podcast. We met him in the music room of his rehab facility assistant and he randomly agreed to do our podcast we met him in the music room of his uh rehab facility and he told us the only reason that he agreed to do the podcast was because he learned uh in a a that as a as an alcoholic he's been really selfish wasted people's
Starting point is 00:39:19 time hurt people and so he said yes to doing Guys We Fucked because he was trying to make amends for all the bad he had done. And I just thought that was really nice. Like, what a nice reason to do something. Right. But he didn't do any bad to you guys. It sounds more like he wanted to be on your podcast because it's popular. No, he didn't know.
Starting point is 00:39:38 He had no fucking idea what it was. This was a couple of years ago. I know. I promise you. No, he was. It was. It was a karma thing. I mean, yes, we aren't the people he hurt,
Starting point is 00:39:46 but I think he was just trying to put good out into the universe. And I really believed him. And that's not something I would normally believe. Well, it was like a year and a half, two years ago when we interviewed him. It was a while ago, yeah. That makes sense. Yeah, I mean, he's definitely had these moments of clarity. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:00 Yeah. It was funny when he got fired from this movie recently for licking somebody. And he said said misconduct is my middle name I agree that's Andy yeah he's such a
Starting point is 00:40:13 fucking character sometimes I think about like I have a monthly show that I run in New York City where my friend and I open it up
Starting point is 00:40:19 as characters Nina and Simone were like prostitutes and we have a guy this guy Will comes up and he intros us every month and I'll smack his ass and I've been thinking lately, I'm like
Starting point is 00:40:31 shit, probably shouldn't do that, huh? Did you ask him if it's okay? No, I didn't. He didn't mind or if he did, he didn't tell me. I mean, we're friends. Here's my take on it. There's a difference between a girl doing it to a guy because a girl can't rape a guy. You don't have a physical advantage over it.
Starting point is 00:40:48 A girl can rape a guy. Well, if you drug them, you could do anything to them. Sure, if you drug them. But like smacking a guy in the ass is very different. There are some women who are bigger than some men. Sure. Yeah. It's very rare.
Starting point is 00:40:58 It is rare. Those are outliers. There's absolutely a physical. For the most part, there's a difference between a girl doing something like that to a guy and that's the difference. Yeah, because you're that to a guy. And that's the difference. Yeah. Because you're no fear for your life. It's the physical threat.
Starting point is 00:41:08 Yeah. Like I had a buddy of mine who was sexually harassed by his boss, who was a woman. And he said it was super fucking disturbing because he's kind of introverted. And his boss would grab his ass when he was like getting coffee. He would go to the coffee machine and she'd grab his ass. He'd jolt. And he was like really stunned and worried about being around her and she would tease him about him being a prude and he said it made it really
Starting point is 00:41:30 uncomfortable and he said now i know what it's like to be a woman he was joking around about it but yeah did he ever address it with her no i think he quit he wound up quitting yeah it was a situation where it was like you know he was he was below her in the social food chain of the office. Yeah, she was taking advantage of that. She was his boss. She could fire him and, you know, he wouldn't have any money and nobody would ever believe that she had done that to him. There was no proof. It was a weird sort of reversal of the dynamic.
Starting point is 00:41:59 And then that anxiety got created in his work environment. I feel like women, with women, it's like little things happen throughout your life when you're a chick that just they're not they don't make you feel unsafe it's just like i just want to go to the goddamn grocery store can you not go to me i just don't and then that all adds up whether it's big things little things and usually it's a combination of both and then that adds up to the feeling unsafe and then you hear stories and then you're like oh fuck it's well the cosby thing freaked so many fucking people out but i know a bunch of girls who've been drugged i know a bunch of girls who have been at a bar and then had a drink that someone gave them and then all of a sudden their legs start giving out oh i've been roofied as far as roofie yeah yes this part i
Starting point is 00:42:43 mean it ended there though but yeah yeah because I was somehow got my friends were with me it was at a my own birthday party a couple maybe when I was like 25 in that area 24 25 and uh I was pushed in my my friends pushed me in a cab because they just thought I was like blackout drunk but I really had been roofied that person since committed suicide yeah so I'm not the person who roofied you? Yeah, I'm not mad. I knew who it was. I'm not mad about it. People are like, aren't you angry? I'm like, no, that person had demons
Starting point is 00:43:11 so much bigger than me getting roofied. I'm so thankful that nothing happened to me. I feel, honestly, that's what being a woman, when you get roofied and you don't get raped, I feel lucky, and that's being a woman. It's weird to feel lucky that I've never been raped. It is.
Starting point is 00:43:28 But we both feel really lucky. Because we hear about it. I mean, now the public is hearing about it, how often it happens in Hollywood, which a lot of us already knew. But it happens in every economic status, every class of people, every age. It happens so much. I mean, it's to the point where a couple times on our podcast, I've said statistically there has to be rapists listening to us. Somebody listening to us has raped somebody.
Starting point is 00:43:51 For sure. And I'm so fucking sick of hearing it. I hear it from the victims all goddamn day, and it doesn't help me get to the bottom of why this is happening. And so I'm like, if you're a rapist, make a fake email and email us. Because help me understand this this because i think about it all the time because we are constantly getting really horrible heartbreaking emails about it and we've had a couple guys email us one guy uh was uh he said he was really sick and tired of
Starting point is 00:44:16 seeing other men be douchebags to women lie to women and then they get laid and by the time he turned 30 he said he broke and he started putting ads out on craigslist and then would rape the women and he still does it but i'm like the problem there is you felt entitled to a woman okay because he was acting like an asshole that has nothing to do with you so i think that entitlement thing is is an important building block in what why people do this well people start the one thing that does happen that I've seen with men as they get older is they start to associate women with pain because they get rejected. And because they try to hit on girls and they get shit on and they get rejected and they get angry. And then there's this antagonistic relationship between women and them.
Starting point is 00:44:59 They look at women as the enemy. And then they look at women as the cause of emotional pain. And then they start to insult them the cause of emotional pain and then they start to insult them and say nasty shit to them I've seen it I've seen it happen with guys where they you know they start off kind of like carefree and then as they get into their 30s and then they start getting more shitty and then they get lost in the ark I've seen the ark yeah a couple guys are they your friends no if you've ever talked to them about that cuz one thing I think would help is if dudes were like, hey, don't do that.
Starting point is 00:45:28 Well, one of the reasons why I'm not friends with one guy in particular is because of an extreme lack of awareness that became more and more apparent as he got older. You couldn't talk to him about things. If you can't talk to someone about things, if they're doing something wrong, then they're not going to ever learn. And if they're not going to ever learn and grow, you're always going to have this weird blockade whenever you talk to them. I hate that. Yeah. You can't talk to those people. So it's then they're not going to ever learn. And if they're not going to ever learn and grow, you're always going to have this weird blockade whenever you talk to them. I hate that.
Starting point is 00:45:46 Yeah. You can't talk to those people. So it's good you're not friends with them. Because that's what he should learn. Like, hopefully if his friends continue to do that and he's like, wait, why the fuck? Where did everybody go? Some people have deep-seated trenches, these defense mechanisms that they just fall right into every time. And it's almost like they can't stay on the edges.
Starting point is 00:46:05 Yeah. And for whatever psychological reason. I mean, I'm not a psychologist. I don't know what's causing it. But there's a lot of men that I think, as time goes on, and they get, maybe they're not attractive, maybe they're not successful, maybe it's both. But as time goes on, they get more and more resentful and angry about women. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:23 Sometimes, man, we meet men that are, you know, and it's not often, but you meet them and more resentful and angry about women yeah sometimes man we meet men that are you know and it's not often but you meet them and you're like you hate women dude you hate women and a lot of times i've been doing this lately when we get like shitty things said to us on twitter uh i'll respond back with like you know with a really nice thing to say like a compliment and then he'll it'll like break them down and be like oh that's pretty funny and i'm like okay you know and it's because to me when i see a man do that when they do it to me personally it's hard not to take it personal but that's it's not a personal thing they're projecting yeah but they feel too they do that to me all the time and they're doing it because they just want to get a reaction out of you one of the best ways to get a reaction out of
Starting point is 00:47:00 you is to make you feel bad yeah that's true's true. If they say something nice to you, you don't respond. Oh, I just retweeted some narcissists. I wanted to be honest. Maybe they tried. Oh, I respond, Joe. Thank you. Can't respond to everybody, right? But when guys do that to you, what are the flags?
Starting point is 00:47:21 Just try to say mean things. Negging. Call you a loser or whatever. There's always someone who's trying to say mean things. Negging. Call you a loser or whatever. There's always someone who's trying to push a button. Yes. But why do they do that? This is the only reason
Starting point is 00:47:32 because they're losers. There's no one who's like a happy, fulfilled person who hates on Twitter. So true. Just who has the time to do that?
Starting point is 00:47:39 Exactly. You're not doing anything with your life. Go outside. I mean maybe you have like, I'm going to dedicate five minutes a day to being a cunt. I'm just going to go online.
Starting point is 00:47:46 I'm going to shit on people. It's cunt time. And then after cunt time's over, I'm going to just go water the garden and be nice to everybody. That might be very cathartic. Pet puppies. You wouldn't do it. Cunt time.
Starting point is 00:47:56 I like it. People need to squeeze in some cunt time in their day. I really think. I like that idea. Or like the social media version of a rage room where it's not really hurting anybody and no
Starting point is 00:48:07 it's no one's actual dishes you're breaking someone just bought it in a thrift store and then you can let it out and then you can let your punching bag because god
Starting point is 00:48:14 John Ronson is one of the smartest people we've ever had the honor of talking to he's my super crush and he's like when are we going to stop making people
Starting point is 00:48:22 our play thing what was the quote weak people our play things our play toys the quote? Weak people are play things? Are play toys? That's another quote that I don't know about. It's an evolutionary instinct. Yeah. It's an evolutionary instinct that exists in chickens.
Starting point is 00:48:33 You know, like I have chickens, and one of the things you always hear about chickens is the thing called the pecking order. That shit is real as fuck. We have a big chicken coop. We have 22 chickens. And one of the things that happens is the chickens will find the smallest chicken. They fuck that chicken up. Oh, my gosh.
Starting point is 00:48:48 And the other chickens will pile on and they'll chase the chicken around and peck it for no reason. I mean, it's not like the chickens said anything. It's just the smallest chicken. Does the chicken die? Sometimes. Sometimes chickens die and the other ones will peck at the hole and try to eat it. Yo, bitches be crazy. They're crazy.
Starting point is 00:49:06 I'm terrified of birds. Exists in dogs. In dogs it exists. There's the alpha and then there's the betas. Yeah. In wolf packs it exists. I mean, it's just a normal thing about nature where when humans see someone who's weak, you have to work very hard to resist the urge to go, get the fuck out of here.
Starting point is 00:49:24 You're right. Get your shit together, pussy. Stop fucking crying. Like that instinct to be cruel to someone who's weak is like genetically predisposed in people. It's a part of what made the genes of the stronger people keep moving. Yeah. And the ones that were weak and they couldn't handle emotional stress
Starting point is 00:49:42 and then they were shunned. I mean, they were pushed out of the community. But we're finding now with this new society that we live in, we live in where people are able to gather information and communicate and do things that don't even involve like person to person contact is that these people who are introverts and these people that are shy and maybe even like socially awkward or have a huge problem with confrontation and you would consider them weak they have a type of creativity that doesn't exist in the alphas they have a type of creativity and
Starting point is 00:50:11 they have a perspective and maybe uh in an introspective way of approaching things that is super valuable to like computer coding oh yeah to a lot of other things that you would normally think of as being, well, not even normally think of, but as, they're alternative methods of thinking. And you would perceive that, an outgoing person would perceive that as like, what are you, an idiot or something? Well, they don't exist in the normal paradigm. Like if you look at human societies up until like the last couple hundred years, you're dealing with people that have these hardworking jobs.
Starting point is 00:50:45 There's a few artists, musicians, and painters and things along those lines. But most of what you're doing, if you're not a craftsperson, hard labor, very difficult jobs, there's no computer coding. There's so many of these alternative positions as far as like the way the human mind works
Starting point is 00:51:02 that were never available to someone who lived three, four, 500 years ago. So we're finding value. We're finding value in different kinds of thinking in people with different people that are on the spectrum, Asperger's and autism. They're the smartest. Well, they have a different sort of intelligence.
Starting point is 00:51:20 And we're looking at them as if there's something wrong with them because they don't they don't interact with people in the same way as most people do emotionally and sometimes they have like a real difficult finding difficult time finding emotional and social bonds with people but when it comes to numbers when it comes to a lot of other things some of these people not all of them but some of them excel at those things in a way that a lot of people can't aren't even capable of yeah that's one of the things they say about people in silicon valley that work in a way that a lot of people can't. Aren't even capable of. Yeah, that's one of the things they say about people in Silicon Valley that work in a lot of these jobs that involve computer coding and programming and things along those lines. You have a giant percentage of the people that are on the spectrum.
Starting point is 00:51:56 Giant. It might be like 90. My brother works there, but he is much, much more social than me. You're not interacting with people a lot in that job. Yeah. So that makes sense. Some people excel at that. They want that.
Starting point is 00:52:08 And, you know, I think we have to realize that this society, like if it was for you, the three of us, there would be no fucking cell phones. If we were on a deserted island. That's for sure. We could live forever. The three of us, we'd live forever. We're on a deserted island. We'd eat our own shit.
Starting point is 00:52:22 We'd kill all the animals. Yeah. I'd show you guys how to start a fire. Yeah. And I'd show you how to kill animals and maybe you guys
Starting point is 00:52:29 could show me some emotional intelligence. Yeah, yeah. We could talk about working on feelings. I could make you a beautiful like a mask for your face. You'd have great skin.
Starting point is 00:52:36 Oh yeah. Thank you. The urge to be cruel to someone who's weaker than you has to be resisted in any sort of comfortable society. And that's not reinforced enough. That should be on a bumper sticker.
Starting point is 00:52:48 That is very true. That's not at all where I thought you were going with this. I thought you were going to be like people who call people out in articles in Jezebel and broadly are really meek when you meet them in person. That's what I thought that was going to be. That's a good point. That's how I was – and then I was following and I was like that's not at all where he's going with this. No. That's what I thought that was going to. That's a good point. And then I was following and I was like, that's not at all where he's going with this. That's also true though, my experience.
Starting point is 00:53:10 It is kind of true in a lot of ways, but I think even what they're doing, I don't want to mention anybody in particular, but there's one particular feminist writer that I know who will attack and go after women. She's severely depressed and sad and I know her. She's all fucked up.
Starting point is 00:53:26 She's overweight and she's unhappy and unhealthy. Is she aware of that? Of course. She's got a mirror. That's what I always... You know what? Thank you for saying that. Whether or not she revels in that awareness.
Starting point is 00:53:39 Right. That's more I guess what it is. But a lot of these people that are calling people out... Look, there's people that are calling people out that are doing a world of service because they're exposing real problematic behavior that I don't – like what I was talking about, my friend who got sexually harassed by a woman. I don't experience that. I don't have a job where I have a boss who's a woman. But if I was a woman and I had a boss who was a man who was trying to fuck me all the time, it would be hell. me all the time it would be hell yeah you know what if you you know you're worried you have to be a certain amount of flirtatious with this guy a certain level so that you can maintain your
Starting point is 00:54:08 position or maybe even like get a job you know a better job or promotion i mean there's that's some real shit yeah i mean it's also plays though too into like even in comedy like when critter and i started comedy i'm like okay i'm gonna i first made friends with older male comics because it was easier because i hadn't it's not that we wanted to fuck each other but i at least had some uh currency in the flirting like there was currency in that like no you can be friendly with them and they would enjoy that and they would talk to you yeah you just need to find people who are willing to give you the time of day and a lot of times like it's because they want to look at you so you're just like but it's in a way that's not creepy they don't cross a line it's just it's just
Starting point is 00:54:49 like we got our little 40 and that's okay you're just using each other they're using you to feel good and young and sexual and you're using them to get comedy pro tips yeah and none of us are being assholes to each other i mean obviously we're talking about a bunch of different exchanges but it doesn't always have to be negative either. You can just be friendly with each other. Yeah. You know, like I, the last time I dated a female comedian, we were both 21, you know, and it was when I was in Boston. I was like, this is a terrible idea.
Starting point is 00:55:15 Yeah. I was going to say, sounds like a. We're both fucking crazy. Sounds like the beginning of a bad rom-com. Yeah. It doesn't. Yeah. It doesn't work.
Starting point is 00:55:21 But I think. Oh. One of the things that happens. It can work. I dated a comedian. Well, Tom Segura and Christina Brzezinski are super happy. Yeah. They're both really funny.
Starting point is 00:55:29 Bonnie and Rich. Rich, yeah. I love them. Oh, my God. Natasha and Moshe. They are a great couple. We found three. Thousands and thousands of failed interactions.
Starting point is 00:55:39 Corinne Fisher and James Myers. Yeah, that's a good one as well. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it works. I mean, look, I hate absolutes, right? I hate never do this or never do that unless you're saying, like, never eat babies. That's a good absolute to have. That's a good one.
Starting point is 00:55:54 Wait, no time. But, like, also, too, with the flirting thing, I'm more comfortable. There was a time where I look back, I'm like, I'm not friends with any big female comedians. It's only male because I feel more comfortable going up to the male because I feel like there's something of, like, I'm not friends with any big female comedians. It's only male because I feel more comfortable going up to the male because I feel like there's something of like, I have something to offer. It's only flirting. That's it.
Starting point is 00:56:13 I've never been in a relationship as long as I've been doing stand-up. But if not, I would have probably fucked a lot of comics. But better this way, you know? Probably now, for sure. But when I think of going up to anybody anything i know it's great well i just going up to a woman though bad at comedy not my boyfriend my boyfriend's good but you know in the past my pussy could uh book a great open mic yeah good but going up to a female comic i'm like what do i have to why would she want to talk
Starting point is 00:56:42 to me because you're human why would why would would she want to talk to me because you're human why would why would men talk to me well you're looking at yourself yeah but you're like the shit yeah but i mean i i've been doing stand-up for a long time i've always had men friends that are comedians and and men and women friends that are comedians yeah i have friends that are female friends that are comedians a lot that are on our same level that started in the same time as us but like you know i remember when i asked bonnie mcfarland to the podcast i was really nervous to approach her she was super sweet and she was like yeah she's so supportive of other women constantly retweeting just really champion champion i fucking love her did you like women aren't funny her documentary yeah yeah i liked it a lot it's so funny it's really and really like raw like yeah
Starting point is 00:57:21 opened up about a lot of shit yeah i'm surprised no i've known bonnie forever we used to have the same manager oh really she's like 1990 oh i was like was it mine four or some shit like that a long ass time ago she's wonderful she's awesome but it's um it's a different animal when when you're a woman you know and i think that's one of the things that um eliza brought up when she was talking about this whole Louis CK thing. She was talking about how some men, especially when she first started, would treat her because she was just starting out. She wasn't very good yet. And someone who is established and is better and really has their career is cooking. They will look at you like you are a lesser thing than them.
Starting point is 00:58:04 They don't look at you like a peer. And I try to tell this to as many young comics as I can. That it is incredibly important that we look at all of us. All of us that are doing this thing as the same thing. Somebody might be doing it for three days and someone might be doing it for 30 years. But we're all doing the same thing. We're all in it together. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:22 So like doormen. I'm super friendly with everybody who works. The Comedy Store is a great example of that because everybody who works there is a comic. Like the people who are the security are comics. A lot of people that were managers were comics. People, bartenders are comics. I know like a lot of the people like Josh Martin and Punky,
Starting point is 00:58:40 they're fucking comics. They even paid regulars and they still work the bar. Oh, wow, That's cool. So there's like an intense community there. I love the comedy store. It's amazing. And you never get a place where you have a pro shows every night and an indie show upstairs. Like that never.
Starting point is 00:58:57 There's no place in New York that has one multiple rooms like that. A couple do. But the quality of the spectrum of comedians in terms of experience is so vast any night of the week there, and it's so cool. And it's really supportive. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:11 That is a super support. And people that are not supportive, they get pushed out. And I love that. I think the comedy community in New York, too, is very supportive. That's awesome. We give each other tags
Starting point is 00:59:21 when we think of good, and we just, we talk about comedy. We live and breathe it. And we nerd out on it in the green rooms. And we really are supportive. And yeah, I like it. It's awesome.
Starting point is 00:59:33 Don't you guys think that now it's easier to do that too? Because it's not like everyone's competing for a very small amount of spots. It used to be like there was only so many spots on a sitcom. There was only so many spots to host a late night show. And everybody was like hyper competitive. Yeah. Now you can make your own opportunity. You can create your own thing.
Starting point is 00:59:50 I mean, there's some examples of it. Guys, we fucked one of them. I'm Broad City. I love the story of Broad City. Abby and Alana couldn't get on house teams. They just kept getting rejected from house teams at UCB. They were they started working on this web series together. It blew up.
Starting point is 01:00:04 I mean, the quality of the web series before it made it to air is phenomenal. They just put a lot of hard work into it. And they said, we're not going to take no for an answer. And if this community that we've worked in so long is saying no, we're going to do it on our own. And they did. You can do that. And also, one of the things is that podcasters and people that do things online, they support other people that do things online. You never see someone from a show on CBS getting promoted from a show on NBC.
Starting point is 01:00:28 Right. It's super rare. Yeah. But in the world of podcasting, it's super common. Yeah. Like everybody has everybody on their shows
Starting point is 01:00:33 and we always talk everybody up and hey, go see, she's playing here and he's playing there and you promote their dates and it's a way more egalitarian, way more like supportive community. And it's a win-win for everybody.
Starting point is 01:00:47 Because it feels good to be supportive of people you respect and admire and who are talented. And, you know, and, too, that's why I love stand-up, because you're the only one who's going to do your act. Yes. So don't worry about the company. Hopefully. True.
Starting point is 01:01:01 Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, there's only one you. And the people that are shitty to other comedians they get I mean if you're a comic and you don't have any comedian friends that's a problem that's a giant problem I just started thinking of one famous person
Starting point is 01:01:15 oh you can think of a lot of famous ones I know some famous ones that come to the store and the door people get super bummed out because they just look past them they don't say hi to them they'll go straight to Bill Burr or straight to someone famous
Starting point is 01:01:28 and only talk to them and they don't talk to regular folks I feel like too but I've had interactions with famous comics like the first one the person was being a dick
Starting point is 01:01:36 and just like looking down and I was being introduced by his friend and he was like hey how you doing and had sunglasses and doors I'm like you're a dick
Starting point is 01:01:43 yeah but then it was so LA I was so LA I was like, hey, how you doing? And had sunglasses and doors. I'm like, you're a dick. Yeah, but then inside. It was so LA. I was so LA. I was like barf all over you. Can you give me a name they rhyme with? You're going to absolutely know who it is. But then the second time we met him, couldn't have been nicer. So sweet.
Starting point is 01:01:58 He was going through some weird shit. Exactly. You could run into someone at the wrong time. Yeah, and I labeled him an asshole, though. But he was going through some shit while showing pictures of himself to fans. Is that how you act out sometimes if you're having a bad day? You're like, look at this picture of me. I just go right to naked photos.
Starting point is 01:02:18 Yeah, get those nudes in, baby. Yeah, only of my ass. I just show them my ass. That's what I do to fans. Do you take nudes? No. Why not? I'm thinking of doing it now. That's what I do. Do you take nudes? No. Why not? I'm thinking of doing it now.
Starting point is 01:02:26 Really? Just from two seconds ago when she recommended it? Yeah. But just as a close-up of your butthole. No dick pics? Let's redefine the nude. I don't have any that I need to show anybody. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:37 Good. No, but have you ever taken one? I don't need to see it. I'm sure I've taken pictures of it. Okay. Really? Just because? Well, it's because you have a camera. It's good lighting. If you're a dude and you have a camera, you should be taken pictures of it Okay Really? Just because? It's because you have a camera
Starting point is 01:02:46 It's good lighting If you're a dude And you have a camera You start taking pictures of everything I never take pictures of my pussy I've never taken a picture of my pussy I've never taken a Sometimes I just need to check
Starting point is 01:02:54 If you have a weird feeling down there And just make sure everything's okay It's your own doctor If I was a girl I would definitely take pictures So I would really know what it looks like Because otherwise You can't really see it
Starting point is 01:03:02 You just squat over a mirror Yeah Or you're super flexible. You'd have to like get one of them wraparound grips. Yeah. You got to be a contortionist to see your own pussy. I don't know what you're saying. I can see my own pussy from here.
Starting point is 01:03:14 Yeah. But you can't because we already discussed that. You're seeing the labia. You're not really seeing the vagina. Actually, pussy is the whole thing, right? The vagina is the inside. That's the vagina. The pussy would be the whole thing i would say that vagina
Starting point is 01:03:26 is just the the hole that we're most concerned about like the pussy is the house but the vagina is like the living room okay i think so okay yeah you could be wrong you could be right and i honestly don't know which one it is but you know that's why we're relatable were you when you started like being sexually active when you're younger were you like a vagina how do i what do i even what do i do i because i kind of feel like men going into straightened by men that are going to be having sex with women like that's gotta be confusing because a dick it's like you have to do with the dick yeah you already have one but also like a woman as a woman who doesn't have a dick, I know what to do with it a little. Well, guys share information with each other.
Starting point is 01:04:07 Do girls share information about what to do with dicks? Yeah. I didn't know guys shared information. Oh, yeah, for sure. Oh, because we've heard a lot of guys don't talk about it. I'm like, why not? What? You're missing out on some tips.
Starting point is 01:04:18 What's some information you've gotten? Well, you just start talking about, like, what do you do? That's the first question. You feel like you're 14 or 15 the first time you make it out with a girl like did she let your finger yeah yeah you gotta keep your fingernails clean being fingered at 14 is the fucking worst it's just like jackhammer like someone's ringing a doorbell inside you yeah they're not clean yeah and there is no doorbell but they don't know that you gotta pretend to yeah yeah it sucked well jackhammer fingers man it's got to pretend to, you know. Yeah. It sucked. Well. Jackhammer fingers, man.
Starting point is 01:04:46 It's got to be better now than when we were young. And it's got to be better when we were young than when our parents were young. That is very true. It's all. And don't you think that's the same thing? I mean, I think that's with everything. I think one of the things that's going on right now and one of the things with all this sexual assault stuff that's making the news is that
Starting point is 01:05:07 we're in the middle of a giant social change. I feel that too. And it's like a hurricane around us and fucking bathtubs and cows are flying
Starting point is 01:05:17 through the air. The trucks up there. We're in the middle of it and I think a lot of times you don't realize how much change is actually taking place. But if you just try to look at comedy from the 1980s and look at comedy from now, what
Starting point is 01:05:30 you can get away with then, go watch Eddie Murphy raw. Oh, yeah. And you would never do that today. Prior. Carlin, a lot of them had a lot of homophobic shit. Well, Andrew Jace Clay would never fly today. Maybe, because he was a character. I don't know that that would work.
Starting point is 01:05:49 Yeah. He used to be Andrew Silverstein. Andrew Silverstein, he would do straight stand-up, and then he had a bunch of characters he would do. And one of the characters he would do was the Dice Man. And the Dice Man, he'd put the jacket on. That's what stuck. And he would do these nursery rhymes
Starting point is 01:06:06 Mary had a little lamb fuck yourself he would just light a cigarette and then he became the Dice Man it's like more comfortable to be that guy all the time
Starting point is 01:06:16 yeah that's true that makes sense it is comfortable being a character I'm not my stage my bits are very well there's a lot of people
Starting point is 01:06:22 that have done that and they got trapped like Emo Phillips got trapped. I, yes, I just watched a documentary, Dying Laughing, I think it was called, and he was on it. It's a good one, yeah. And I'm like, wait, is he like that or not? I can't tell. No, he's not like that.
Starting point is 01:06:35 Because I saw him when he stopped doing that. He stopped doing that for a while and then he went back to it. Bobcat Goldthwait talked to me about it. Like, he talked about it on the podcast. It was really hard for him to stop doing it because everybody's like hey man do the Bobcat thing
Starting point is 01:06:47 he's like hey fuck you I'm just a person just gonna do my stand up and he's like for a long time it was like really hard oh that would piss me off yeah because everybody
Starting point is 01:06:54 wanted him to go yeah yeah that was his thing you know for the longest time and he just got older and was like what the fuck am I doing
Starting point is 01:07:03 and it was really funny when he was younger yeah it worked for him then he just didn't and was like, what the fuck am I doing? Oops. And it was really funny when he was younger. Yeah, it worked for him then. He just didn't want to do it anymore. But if you have that character, like if you're in a character all the time, you get stuck. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:15 It must be hard to perform and never feel like yourself. Yeah. That's what I like about it. And that's why the rejection stings that much more because you're rejecting my soul. Yeah, you're rejecting you soul. Yeah. Yeah. They're rejecting you. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:26 What you're presenting. Yeah. They really got to take a second and think. I think for sure this is a tumultuous time of change. And I think ultimately it's going to be very good. But I think I got some weird ideas on it, though. I really think that one of the things that holds us up is the ability to lie. And I think that is not forever.
Starting point is 01:07:46 I think the ability to lie, like I think, I believe that we are, I don't know how many years away, whether it's 10 or 20, we're 20, whatever it is, years away of some Rosetta Stone of human interaction that takes place electronically. I think they're going to figure out some way where we can teach children a language that's a universal language that's transmitted through computers or through some sort of a human internet interface,
Starting point is 01:08:14 some sort of a neural interface that they're working on hundreds of different versions of this right now. Where they can already send thoughts back and forth to people from the internet. They can send images to other people's minds. One person can send an image of a triangle to your mind through the internet. They can currently do that? Currently.
Starting point is 01:08:30 How? They do it through some sort of electrical stimulation of various parts of the brain where you send a signal, and that signal through your thoughts of this object. That's great. You have this idea. Say if you think of a bottle of water, something really, a triangle. Let's go back to that shape. It's a very obvious symbol.
Starting point is 01:08:49 You know what it looks like. I know what it looks like. And if I can think of that, there is a pattern in my brain that I can transmit to you through this very rudimentary technology. So I liken it to a Morse code machine. That's what they used to be able to communicate with. That was as good as you get. Now, obviously you take a video on your phone, you send it to someone in New Zealand, right?
Starting point is 01:09:09 We're in a different world and it's not that far away. I mean, you're talking about just a couple of hundred years. We've gone from the Morse code to sending a video to New Zealand in real time. Well, have you ever heard of a Fisher Wallace stimulator? I've heard of that. Yeah. So my mom has had depression most of her life and she has been on 25 different meds. It made her worse. And a doctor prescribed a Fisher-Wallace stimulator. It's just a little tiny machine with two pads.
Starting point is 01:09:35 They're sponges. You wet the sponges a little bit, and you put them on your temples. And she did it twice a day for about 20 minutes, and her fucking depression went away. And I felt like i got my mom like you know because she it just it the meds would just make her so numb and like emotionless and that would depress her and she and like i just like my whole life i've been seeing her do these peaks and valleys and that fisher wallace, there's no side effects. If anything, she gets a headache, but there's no mental side effects.
Starting point is 01:10:07 And it's insane. How often does she have to do it? She does it twice a day. The only thing that I've noticed, I guess this is a side effect, it makes her a little bit hyper and not hungry. She gets shit done. Those are both bonuses.
Starting point is 01:10:21 It is a miracle. I'm trying to tell as many people about but I'm wondering if that's a similar type of technology what does it do to people that are already happy
Starting point is 01:10:29 what if it'll make you fucking ecstatic I don't know but that's what I was wondering like Macabre what if you slap that bitch on
Starting point is 01:10:34 when you get on that Japanese toilet and get that hot water pumping up your clam like a molly machine whoa put those babies on
Starting point is 01:10:43 I gotta go to the bathroom now. That's great. You gotta get an edible right before. You just gotta go light. 20 milligrams. I had a fan gave us a cookie in San Fran and it was labeled but I didn't know how much he ate and we had to go on a plane so I'm like I'm gonna throw this out.
Starting point is 01:11:00 It was like at the end of a two week tour. We were doing two shows and I was so tired. I'm like I don't want to get held up on the plane. So I took a little chunk. I ate it and then it kicked in when we were at the end of a two week tour. We were doing two shows and I was so tired. I'm like, I don't want to get held up on the plane. So I took a little chunk. I ate it. And then it kicked in when we were at the gate and Krim was like, I'm going to go get Starbucks. You want anything?
Starting point is 01:11:12 I'm like, nah, fine. And then all of a sudden I'm like, no, I'm not fine. And I texted Krim. I'm like,
Starting point is 01:11:17 you're going to hate me, but I'm going to die soon. And this is not okay. And then I just started having a panic attack. This is already someone who's not good at flying. No. Yeah. I would have panic attacks all the time.
Starting point is 01:11:29 And then there's like, I was bawling my eyes out and this little girl came up like two feet in front of me. And she was like, and she just tilted her head and stared at me. I'm like, Korea, why is she doing that? That's weird.
Starting point is 01:11:40 Yeah. I thought I was going to die. I, I, that's the only time in my life I ever remember having the feeling of like, you're about to die. I gotta say. In 10, 9. Little girl just came over like a normal little girl.
Starting point is 01:11:51 And then when Christina said, why is this little girl looking at me? I said, probably because she's never seen a grown woman have a tantrum in an airport. It was an anxiety tantrum. And then, oh, getting on that plane, man. I thought I was going to get kicked off that plane. She almost did. She almost did. I think in 2017, I was like, she's not good at flying. That doesn't fly anymore.
Starting point is 01:12:15 And the lady was like, does she need to get off? And I was like, no, she's fine. She's going to be fine. We're going to get through this. We're going to get back home. How far was the flight? Oh, it's from san fran to new york right yeah that was all cross country when did you sober up um uh an hour after
Starting point is 01:12:31 i got home to my apartment she just put a blanket over her and i was like that's the way we're gonna handle that it was good it was well you rode the road the storm i did and i survived god damn but yeah the edibles fucked me up well they're just too goddamn strong especially if you just try to eat a whole cookie that could have been hundreds of milligrams well i just took a little chunk of it it was a big ass cookie and i took a quarter of it but then also yeah yeah i mean drugs are a quarter but that's why i'm scared like corinda psychedelics i i feel like if you have anxiety i have a a lot of anxiety, probably not for me. It's a different thing because the anxiety that you get from edible marijuana is very peculiar. It's intensely introspective.
Starting point is 01:13:13 I don't love edibles either. I much prefer mushrooms acid. I did DMT recently. I studied partially using your documentary, so thank you. Wow. Congratulations. Thank you. It was very important.
Starting point is 01:13:24 I mean, because that's scary shit. You need you need to study yeah it's definitely not something you should take frivolously no absolutely not i studied for i had it sitting on my table and i studied for like a good two months uh watched a lot of stuff on the internet read a lot about it talked to people who had done it what's crazy is the natural part of human neurochemistry that that exists that your brain's making that stuff all the time, and then you can just extract it from a thousand different plants, and then you take it, smoke it,
Starting point is 01:13:50 and then you meet Jesus and aliens and everything. Have you met Jesus? You meet everything. You meet things that are changing, so whatever the fuck they were a second ago, they're not the same thing
Starting point is 01:14:00 a second later. It's pretty fucking intense. Is that why you're such a curious person and you really try has has psychedelics made you because some people it really makes a positive shift in their consciousness and their curiosity i've seen it happen and sometimes it goes the other way but i'm is that or were you always that kind of person i was always curious but it made my curiosity it confirmed the need for it.
Starting point is 01:14:31 Like that if you do, when you do something like DMT, it is so profoundly bizarre that after it's over, you are so stunned at how few people know about this and how you didn't know about it until that happened and how you'll never be the same again. Oh, you'll never be the same again. No. Wait, are you? Do you feel that? You're never going to be the same again because you know that's real. You know that you could go through this chemical portal to what's essentially another dimension.
Starting point is 01:14:52 I mean, it sounds like it. Another dimension where you're interacting with ideas that seem to be sentient. They seem to be alive. You're being inundated with thoughts and words that come at you without like a physical presence like no one's saying a word but you like if i said to you hey let's get a cup of coffee like that signal goes into your brain because you're hearing my words you interpret them you get the same thing from these dmt states but you don't actually hear the words, but you know what the words are. It's fucking titanically bizarre.
Starting point is 01:15:28 Have you ever seen a healer, like a psychic healer? Have you ever heard of psychic surgery? I don't believe them. So I, okay, I don't like, I never really talk about this because I don't need people, I'm not trying to convert anybody to believe in this shit, but I've had psychic surgery once, and my mom
Starting point is 01:15:44 and I had. How's that work? So he, this guy, his name was Dr. V. I don't know. Dr. V. He did, I did have my shirt off.
Starting point is 01:15:55 Did you wake up? No. Oh God, is this another revelation of another sexual assault? No, no. I was conscious the whole time
Starting point is 01:16:02 but I, like my mom had breast tissue that was really hard in her breast because she had all these surgeries to get little tumors removed. They weren't cancerous. And it really hurt her. If you touched her boob, it would hurt. And he, okay, so this doctor, he used to work for NASA. And he's Russian and he's very mysterious.
Starting point is 01:16:21 Did you look into his background? I tried to Google him, but I didn't have, I didn't have, it didn't seem legit. We're going into a tiny little apartment and this old lady was answering and she was like, come in.
Starting point is 01:16:31 I'm like, but, but he, he didn't touch her and he just, he kept moving his hands like this and he would, he would do this
Starting point is 01:16:39 like he was trying to get warm and then he would flick it and then he would, he would circle around her boob and then pull out like an and then he would he would circle around her boob and then pull out like an imaginary thing and it was gone the heart tissue was gone it's the weirdest fucking thing and he did it to me with my knee it was the weirdest thing and i mean it's like seeing a ghost like you you don't you're like i mean that just happened that's undeniable well if you believe
Starting point is 01:17:02 in it your body can produce some pretty incredible results and that's what the power of suggestion is and that's what placebo effect is placebo effects 100 real totally but i didn't even know that psychic surgery was a thing before he actually did it i had no he's not doing anything he's just getting you convinced that he's doing something and by him being convincing you that he's doing something you feel some sort of a positive response because your body reacts as if he's done
Starting point is 01:17:28 something to you. That's a service in and of itself. I mean I'll take it. It is. It is a service in and of itself but it's also deceptive.
Starting point is 01:17:34 There's a weird thing that people do like where they you know there's a lot of weird healers where they do like Reiki and all this different shit. I am.
Starting point is 01:17:42 There's no science behind it. It's not real but if you think that it's doing something to you, you can feel better. What are your feelings on acupuncture? I don't know anything. You've never had it? I've had it, but the guy was a quack.
Starting point is 01:17:53 Okay. It doesn't mean that it's not real. I'm very skeptical, but I was working in a, that was my, like a receptionist at a spa was my day job while pursuing comedy. And there was an acupuncturist there, and I was like, let me try it.
Starting point is 01:18:08 I was in a really deep depression. And like the mind-body connection, I got to say, and she's an MD. She's not just a person off the street. This woman's an MD, young woman, and it changed my life. And I hate to even say that. I'm embarrassed to even be like, I have an acupuncturist. It seems so hippy dippy. The mind body connection is a misnomer, right?
Starting point is 01:18:27 Because your mind is a part of your body. I mean, it's all one thing. That's why one of the things with people who don't have healthy bodies, but if you don't have a healthy body, your mind's not going to function at its best. You could be a brilliant person with an unhealthy body, but you will be better if your body functions well. It's not giving you problems. It's not giving you problems. It's not causing you issues.
Starting point is 01:18:47 Yeah. It's not like a source of stress and concern. And I think that what these people can do, there's a lot of different things that are not supported whatsoever by science. And a lot of people that are very scientifically minded, they shun those things and they think those things have zero benefit. And they also put religion in that group as well. And I think they're very similar in that if you believe in certain things, like there was a thing that, an article recently by Robert Sapolsky, who is a, he's a professor at Stanford University and we had him on the podcast.
Starting point is 01:19:23 We talked about primates and he's a really, really fascinating guy. He's got some amazing studies that he's done on baboons and primate behavior. But one of the things he was talking about is the stress-relieving aspect of an actual religious belief. So you could say that if you really do believe that everything is going to be fine because God's looking out for you, You could say that if you really do believe that everything is going to be fine because God's looking out for you, that just that alone, whether or not it's real or scientifically verifiable, that proof is not necessary for you to feel good. Yeah. I mean, I choose to be a positive person because that's my survival mechanism. I wouldn't have made it through life without being positive. Positive is one thing, but an actual belief that something is happening to your body that's not scientifically possible.
Starting point is 01:20:07 Like that someone can rub their hands and pull the bad juju out of your body. But if you believe that though, just the belief in that can trigger a lot of human neurochemistry that literally will make you feel better. That's true. I can now, after that experience, that was a couple years ago,
Starting point is 01:20:21 I can, if I like lay on my bed and meditate, I don't really do that because I don't have time, i can if i think really hard i can make certain parts of my body like have those pins and needle feeling which i'm like that's cool you should make the time you probably do it's kind of cool yeah but it's weird like people worry about like the discipline of doing something like that but it gets them concerned like i don't have time for that and they pushed it off because there's something there's a weird way that human beings are programmed, that we avoid certain types of strenuous activity, avoid getting up early when you know you should.
Starting point is 01:20:56 There's a lot of things that we do where we go towards comfort and away from these uncomfortable feelings. And some of those uncomfortable feelings are just sitting alone, just sitting alone concentrating on your breath for 20 minutes a day yeah yeah big benefits to that but yeah and then you get down on yourself and then that's stress and then you're like well i'm just a piece of shit and then you're in your room all day and you're like well fuck that then you go on the internet and then you stay in your room for another week and then you read some bad comments and then you just masturbate with your tears you know comments that's the key to life.
Starting point is 01:21:25 Do you give a shit about the comments? I don't read them. I mean, I very rarely will glance through really quickly, but if I do it once a day, it's rare. Oh, yeah. Sometimes I want to get pissed off, and then sometimes we just make fun of it because it's hilarious. We've had men's rights activists
Starting point is 01:21:42 write articles about us, like calling us cum dumpsters. I love that because I didn't know the phrase cum dumpster before. How did you make it to this part of life? I don't know. How did you get this far? I have it. Cum dumpster? The first sentence in our book is, are you a degenerate cum dumpster, unworthy of love
Starting point is 01:21:59 and affection? Is that what somebody called you? Unworthy of love and affection? No, we said that. Oh. We sanded his cum dumpster. If he said it, that's hilarious. If he said that, that would have made it even better because then you would know how broken a person is
Starting point is 01:22:13 to say something like that to you. We had an inkling that he was not doing well. We read the whole article and laughed. Yeah, it was fun. But that's how, to me, that's the best feeling of taking control of the situation by reading it and then roasting them. Because humor and intelligence is far greater than insulting people.
Starting point is 01:22:29 You guys don't say mean shit about men. I mean, you're pretty honest. Yeah. No meaner than anyone else. You're not negative. You're not anti-men women. I mean, you rightly call people out for shit that they've done that's fucked up. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:22:44 But you guys aren't men haters. We love men. The show is called Guys We Fucked. Yeah, it's not like Guys We Spit On. No, we love them. Guys We Kicked In The Dick. I love having sex with men. I like how you guys say it too.
Starting point is 01:22:54 Guys We Fucked. Yeah, it's fun to say it that way. It's a fun podcast. It's powerful. But our definition of feminism is women can be pieces of shit too. Yeah, it is. And I think that for men i think it's a good thing to be able to listen to women talk unfiltered and i don't think and guys avoid that
Starting point is 01:23:11 like i don't want to hear what these bitches have to say like you should listen you should listen you know and i'm not saying that you should listen because you have to agree with them yeah you will gain a more of an understanding of how someone who is very different than you views maybe the exact same interaction and just that one look at another perspective might make you sit back and go, okay, maybe I need to look at it
Starting point is 01:23:34 from their point of view. Oh, it's the best. My favorite email is when a guy emails us and he's like, I gotta be honest, I listen to your podcast and I was expecting
Starting point is 01:23:40 to jerk off and shit, but I actually learned something. I'm like, bless you. I love you. I was expecting to jerk off and shit. Sorry to disappoint you. shit, but I actually learned something. I'm like, bless you. I love you. I was expecting to jerk off and shit. Sorry to disappoint you. No, but I love that we like, that's the best when you surprise somebody, I think. And the name of the podcast is people are going to either go, that's hilarious or that's
Starting point is 01:23:58 disgusting or what, or whatever the reaction is, they're going to check it out. They're going to remember it. And when they're surprised by what they hear, because it's not what they expected, it sticks. It's stronger. Do you guys feel like the podcast has helped you understand yourselves and grow better? Yes. Yeah. I mean, we had no choice but to grow.
Starting point is 01:24:17 When you're sitting down with people who you've had these intimate relationships, both emotional and sexual, with it's just like holding a mirror up to yourself. And that was the concept. The concept was kind of to do this podcast, much like John Cusack and High Fidelity, and just learn about yourself through these people kind of like human Yelp reviews. Well, don't you think you also learn about yourself from conversations where you're not looking at your phone, you're not checking the internet, you're not watching television, just sitting there for hours
Starting point is 01:24:45 communicating with each other and that's a lost art. It is and we forget that the microphones are on. We forget that we're talking all the time. One of the things that's changed for me is I said on a podcast and that was the first time I ever said it out loud, I was like, I really want to see my boyfriend
Starting point is 01:24:59 fuck another woman and I just want to like masturbate to it. And then Steven edits. He must have been like, yes! Well, he edits the podcast and he's like, hey, you want to tell masturbate to it and then steven must have been like yes well he edits the podcast and he's like hey you want to uh tell me something i was like what the three-way thing you want to see me i'm like oh yeah and then we've had three ways and it it's brought us closer and it's so hot so i have a cuckolding fetish that i didn't even realize i had it's not cuckolding if you're a
Starting point is 01:25:21 girl queen but that sounds stupid so we don't call it? It sounds dumb. Who says that? No one because it sucks. That's what you type into Pornhub but it's like ugh. Really? Just because it's a chick but it's queen. Q-U-E-A-N. It's just like cuckween. It just sounds like. Q-U-E-A-N. C-U-C-K
Starting point is 01:25:40 Q-U-E-A-N is cuckween. Don't Google it. Cuckween. No come on it'll be fun. IA-N is Kukween. Don't Google it. Kukween. No, come on. It'll be fun. I believe you. I believe you. Yes, Kukween. Well, because I was looking up Kukold, and I'm like, why the fuck can't I get shit? And I'm like, this is all for men.
Starting point is 01:25:53 And then a dude emailed me. He's like, just type in Kukween, and it's fine. I'm like, oh, okay, thanks. Well, I think the Kukold thing, though, is like guys that are like emasculated, like some big black dude comes in with a giant hole. Yeah, yeah. And sends it to your wife, and you cry in a corner. And you jerk. That's your lube yeah your tears
Starting point is 01:26:08 and then one of them was like at the end of it the guy came in the other guy's mouth and I was like whoa did that take you out of it that took another that's another category it wasn't in it in the first place it was all strictly for research right and at the end of it I was like who wrote this
Starting point is 01:26:23 that poor guy that just sits there and pretends. I mean, I guess it's a guy who wanted to suck a dick. And they brought him in. They gave him a script. And he's like, okay. Who wrote this? I need to see these IMDb credits immediately. But I was like, Jesus.
Starting point is 01:26:34 But I mean, the thing that they're projecting, like this vision of this poor guy who's with this hot girl and he can't control her and he can't satisfy her. But they're together. And then the big black guy comes over and says, sit the fuck in the corner and watch me fuck your woman. And he's like, okay. How many of these have you watched? Just a couple of them. Okay.
Starting point is 01:26:54 What were you researching? I don't like. People that aren't like me. That's what you typed into Google and it brought up Pornhub cuckold. Yeah, I don't even know how I got there. I think somebody probably Googled it for me and then made me look at it. Orgasm diversity is mature. I don't even understand.
Starting point is 01:27:13 Why are my pants off? It doesn't make any sense. Do you watch a lot of porn? Not a lot. What's that to you? What's not a lot? Like once or twice a week. Oh, yeah, that's not a lot at all.
Starting point is 01:27:23 I think porn's like anything else. You can get obsessed with it. I think people get obsessed with all sorts of things. And porn gives you a stimulation, right? And that stimulation is you're watching two people sexually interact with each other. And you can pretend you're there. You can pretend you're doing it. Whatever weird stimulation it is.
Starting point is 01:27:41 That weird thing that you're doing doing people will numb themselves with that if they have too much stress if there's too much going on in their life and it becomes almost like a drug yep and then after you're done jerking off and you come you're like why was i even doing this what i'm gonna go eat cake and it's just sadness that can happen too i was like you say i feel pretty good after but i don't consume a ton of porn yeah i was getting too much i was like you know what i'm gonna try masturbating to my mind and it's a lot more work but it's more rewarding i love masturbating to my imagination i should i gotta start masturbating to actual people yeah but i know people you know like truck drivers i don't know any truck drivers look at me look at
Starting point is 01:28:18 me got it no see you later what were you using if you weren't using real people were you just creating people creating beings in your mind? The Sims in my head? No, just imagining my boyfriend fucking somebody else. Like a real hot chick. Because I'm like, I always think of other people and normally not my boyfriend. You know, I've never allowed my brain to like,
Starting point is 01:28:36 let's masturbate to that neighbor guy that we had at our Airbnb. God damn. And I did masturbate to him. And it was really fun. Because I'm like, oh. It's like you're playing a new game. I got a new game. Candy Crush. And I did masturbate to him and it was really fun because I'm like Oh. That sounds like you're playing a new game. I got a new game. Candy Crush. It's on my phone. It's really fun. But it's like
Starting point is 01:28:51 you can go there in your head and he doesn't know that. So it's cool. You didn't hurt him. You didn't hurt your boyfriend. Yeah. I didn't hurt anybody. It doesn't seem the same as if you found out that a guy that you know was jerking off to you. I just don't want to find out but if they're doing it, that's okay. Well, because they shouldn't DM you
Starting point is 01:29:06 and tell you like so many men do. It's like, you keep that to yourself. I don't mind if people jerk off to me, but I should never know about it. Right, but we agree there's a difference between a girl saying that she plays with herself to you versus a guy saying that he plays with himself. Or a girl saying it to a guy
Starting point is 01:29:21 is different than a guy saying it to a girl. If a guy came up to me and was like, I jerked off to you once, I'm like, no, I don't know. I mean, it depends. You think so? You get excited? It depends on how much swag he had. If you were attracted to him, probably.
Starting point is 01:29:33 I mean, and that's this thing that we like to pretend that's not true. But look at it. Oh, my God. If he was like this hot, sexy guy and he told me that, I'd be like, duh. Well, like that article that I pulled up before. Go sit on Joe's toilet for a little bit. I'd be like, duh. Well, like that article that I pulled up. Go sit on Joe's toilet for a little bit.
Starting point is 01:29:44 That article that I pulled up before we started the podcast. It was that women and gay men are more attracted to good-looking, muscular men, which shows that we're not making any progress with sexual gender stereotypes. That's just not true, you fucking idiot. And that was like Newsweek. It's the safest space. Go to the safest space, which is my favorite,
Starting point is 01:30:07 one of my favorite Twitter pages because they will retweet the most ridiculous social justice warrior tweets. Oh really? I'm going to follow this. Look at this.
Starting point is 01:30:15 Men with muscles and money are more attractive to straight women and gay men showing gender roles aren't progressing. It's in tech and science. First of all,
Starting point is 01:30:23 it's not tech and it's not science. That's not science. That is goddamn nonsense. Is that by a male Sidney or a female Sidney? I need to know this. I mean, I care. If it's a man, he's a bitch. Right? It matters not.
Starting point is 01:30:36 Showing gender roles aren't progressing. Yeah, neither does hot stays hot, stupid. Yeah. It's like if you use a lighter and you burn your skin, it stays hot. Yeah. We're not progressing in our ability to diffuse fire. No. With your fucking skin.
Starting point is 01:30:51 But the funny thing, like, I don't like, I mean, success to me, I like it because that means you're driven and you don't sit on your ass all day. No one wants to fuck a lazy person. I mean, if you do, that's your own thing. But also muscles, nah, I don't like them. You don't like muscles? I was going to say, I wasn't surveyed for that. Yeah, neither was I.
Starting point is 01:31:09 I mean, I'm not like, ugh. But, you know, I'm more attracted to somebody who truly, like, comedian, like, funny. When you're funny, that is so much hotter to me. You could be overweight. You could be underweight. You could be whatever. When you're funny, that's the hot thing. Funny and hardworking.
Starting point is 01:31:22 Well, isn't that the thing about what is attractive is that everybody's got their own little thing. Yeah. There's some pretty standard things, but then- Nice teeth. Yeah. Oh, I love- Nice eyebrows. People don't smell.
Starting point is 01:31:34 Best plus. You can go left or right in a bunch of different weird ways, and that's kind of one of the cool things about being a person. I know some women that are into really really skinny guys, like super skinny, like ribs. Same. I know a lot of those. That heroin look.
Starting point is 01:31:48 Some girls think that's hot. I can see that being hot. My boyfriend was always like, I want to get skinny like Iggy Pop. I'm like, no. Do you want to stop having sex then? See, I like chunksters. That's my thing. There you go.
Starting point is 01:31:59 Some girls like a gut. Some girls like a guy with like a legit gut. That's like Dave. I mean, the Dave Matthews that people love that. And if Dave Matthews. Dave Matthews has a gut. Some girls like a guy with a legit gut. That's like Dave Matthews. People love that. And if Dave Matthews lost a- Wait a minute. Dave Matthews has a gut?
Starting point is 01:32:09 He has a little belly. Yeah. And if he doesn't have that belly, less hot. Have you ever been attracted to somebody and you feel uncomfortable that you're attracted to them because it's just not your type usually? Poor Joe just takes such great care of his body, working out, and we're like, we like fat people. No, I think it's good.
Starting point is 01:32:25 Come on. Throw that treadmill out and get a donut machine. I don't need everybody to like me. I definitely don't need everybody to be attracted to me. But I'm always weirded out by weird stuff like the skinny one. The skinny one's weird because that's like an unhealthy thing. Yep. If you're looking at someone and they look like that Iggy Pop look, it's like, boy, he
Starting point is 01:32:41 doesn't look healthy. I could break you. I don't know if he's still using drugs and he's still skinny. But it just kind of, I think it may be at the stage. I like a guy that's bigger than me, though. Like physically bigger than me. Because I like that. Because then when you hug me Exactly.
Starting point is 01:32:56 There's Iggy. Well, Iggy looks pretty good. Good right there. I've seen skinnier people. Actually, Stephen, I take that back. He's got some muscles. And he did a song with Kesha. That's it. He is an old man too. I mean,
Starting point is 01:33:08 he might be 60 years old there. Damn, dude. For real. Like, yeah, that's him young. Okay.
Starting point is 01:33:14 He's getting hotter. Men get so much hotter as they get older. We're so weird. I do think though, there are some women though that just are so, we went to the summit
Starting point is 01:33:22 that was like a lot of females. It was just female speakers, but like... Glamour Women of the Year Summit. Yeah, like chicks doing rad shit, right? And this woman, Sheila Nevins, who's the head of documentaries at HBO. I've never heard of her. She is the sexiest woman I've ever seen. Her style and her confidence is...
Starting point is 01:33:40 She's very graceful, but then she's like, just because you're a woman doesn't mean you're good at shit. And she just is very... She has this realisticness to her that I'm like, you are so sexy. Yeah, the I don't give a fuck-ed-ness that only a woman over 50 can have. The I don't give a fuck-ed-ness is a good word. But in a way, because I think sometimes young women use like, I don't give a fuck, but you give so many fucks. And when you truly don't give a fuck, you don't need to announce that you don't give any fucks.
Starting point is 01:34:06 It's like the person who posts the most pictures of their relationship is the one in the worst relationship. Yeah. When you gotta say it. It's sort of like really depressing strippers
Starting point is 01:34:14 always have Instagram pages that have a lot of like inspirational quotes. Oh. Memes. Yeah, a lot of memes. Yeah, a lot of memes. Like, you know.
Starting point is 01:34:22 I get so just depressed at strip clubs. Like, I really can't handle it. I love strip clubs. I love a hot chick dancing on me with her titties in my face. I fucking love it. I just want to cry every time. How did you guys become friends?
Starting point is 01:34:35 You're so polar opposite. We have nothing in common. Except our sense of humor. That's what it is. We like laughing at dark shit. Laughing at something that's real fucked up is the best feeling ever to me that's the same relationship i had with my brother we're we're polar opposites except we share a sense of humor and i love that he's one of my favorite people in the whole world so yeah i mean you don't have to be the same no we are not that all the same
Starting point is 01:34:57 and it's nice to see like i think a lot of people like seeing two women that like just disagree on a lot of shit but it's that doesn't mean i don't like her yeah that's a problem too is that people get so married to ideas that you don't like people who don't think the same way that you do which seems to me to be kind of crazy that is a dumb thing that's a dumb way right now it's really rampant right identity politics and this idea that like you have to be on one team or the other you fucking just dig your heels in and fight the other side with tooth claw and nail yeah we see that strongly in politics right and it's a gigantic issue in politics politics is fucking exhausting but you can't people can't live in the opposites like you can
Starting point is 01:35:35 be both things you can be a great comedian and you could also sexually assault people like you can be kind of shitty in that area but you're still a good that doesn't don't you think that the clue ck thing was extra disturbing because he was doing it to one of us? He wasn't just doing it he wasn't just saying hey girl stay still while I jerk off in front of you which is gross. But he's also doing it to what should be
Starting point is 01:35:55 a peer. Exactly and that's what indicates to me it's a power dynamic and it's you could have had a sex worker. You could have a sex worker would have been thrilled to take your money and you could do a scenario where you block the door and you jerk off and she's like, ah, but that's a consensual thing.
Starting point is 01:36:11 That's why that indicates to me it's a power struggle. Yeah. Because that consensual thing doesn't give you the buzz. The buzz is the forbidden thing. Yeah. But like that also says to me though, that he, Louie is so intelligent that he did think it through a little bit more than
Starting point is 01:36:23 he's letting on because it's like, you know, they're going to have to keep this secret because we're all in this club together. So if you do it to a young comedian. I don't know about that. I'm not saying he was like plotting. There's a certain thing about stand-ups. I think everybody will agree. We're impulsive.
Starting point is 01:36:40 Yeah. Stand-ups are impulsive people. It's one of the reasons why you'll say the funny thing before everybody. Some people might even not even entertain the thought. You open the door and then blurt it out quicker than everybody else. There's an impulsive aspect to that. So you think that could be an impulse? No, I think that he's an impulsive guy. I think most comics are, and there's a wild thrill to that impulse.
Starting point is 01:37:01 The problem is you're also doing it to a person that doesn't want you to do it to them. Yeah. And even if you don't, there's no physical contact, you're making them watch you beat off, which is fucked up.
Starting point is 01:37:14 Yeah. You know the whole Tig Notaro thing where Tig Notaro thinks that he started helping her to show that he was a nice guy because she's like a lesbian and a feminist
Starting point is 01:37:22 and like he's going to promote her thing and this will like take some of the weight off of him. Right. And she said that she felt burdened by her relationship with him because she believes that he did it on purpose, that he made a conscious decision. It could be.
Starting point is 01:37:34 I don't know. Yeah. It could be too. You know, it's a good, it's a good branding move. It's a good, let's try and save the reputation. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:37:43 But with that though it's like when he hosted SNL and the monologue was about pedophilia and he's like he related it to like eating a Snickers bar.
Starting point is 01:37:51 Like you want to touch that little kid so bad and you know how horrible and how many lives it ruins and how fucked up it makes you
Starting point is 01:37:58 you know the kid but you still do it. Like that's what I think that with what he did I'm like you really wanted to do that real bad because comics all knew
Starting point is 01:38:07 we knew about it Corinne and I knew about it five years ago. Yeah. I had heard it wasn't true and I had heard from someone who knows him better than me and I said
Starting point is 01:38:15 well what do you mean? And they gave me like this weird scenario where he was joking around they were all joking around together and then the story got out and you know like he like pulled his dick out as a joke.
Starting point is 01:38:26 And everyone was laughing. And he was being silly. And then the real story came out. But I think, I don't know. We've had people, like Ari Shaffir was on our podcast. He pulled his dick. I mean, he did ask. But that was fine.
Starting point is 01:38:39 I wanted to see his dick. I wanted to see his balls. Well, he had a vasectomy. So we wanted to see the scars. I mean, there was a reason and then also that we had never seen um someone who was not circumcised before uh and then they were he was like do you want to see it and where they said yes how fucked up is that think about that cutting baby dicks is so common that you guys have gone through all your life to adulthood and more than the average person so than the average person. Ari Shafir is the first
Starting point is 01:39:05 dick that you saw that wasn't sliced open as a baby. It wasn't Ari's dick that was uncircumcised. This was another. These are two separate dicks.
Starting point is 01:39:11 I can't believe I've never encountered an uncircumcised penis. Ari's a super Jew. Of course he's circumcised. Also Ari was like I got the longest balls in the
Starting point is 01:39:18 game and I'm like I mean show them to me. Like I want to see them and I'm like damn. They were pretty long. They're pretty gross. You've seen them too? Yeah like grapefruit and an old lady's pantyhose. And I'm like, damn. They were pretty long. They're pretty gross. You've seen them too? Grapefruit and an old lady's pantyhose.
Starting point is 01:39:27 I've seen Ari's dick and balls multiple times. See, that's one thing that male comics do. They're just always showing each other's dicks. I've never showed my pussy to anyone. Christina's seen it, but it wasn't a big reveal. She saw your pussy. She didn't see your vagina. I saw it all. I didn't open the house.
Starting point is 01:39:43 I didn't show you the hole. Here's the couch. Here's my TV set. Here is my kitchen. I overslept for a flight and woke up drunk. That's why she saw my vagina. My pussy. It's a different story. There's no
Starting point is 01:39:58 genital mutilation tradition amongst women. And people say, oh, you're looking at the wrong way. The foreskin's not mutilation. Oh, the fuck it isn't. It is. It is. Yeah, I saw a truck in Union Square a couple months ago that's like circumcision is male genital mutilation. And I was like, oh, it is.
Starting point is 01:40:15 And a lot of kids lose their dicks from it every year. They lose their dicks? Yes. Not only that, there's a famous story. There's a famous story when it comes to, there's a baby that was raised as a woman because they did a botched circumcision on the kid when it was a baby and his penis. Essentially, there was a massive infection. They had to remove his penis. And because of that, they had made the decision to try to transition this person into a woman.
Starting point is 01:40:43 And so they transitioned this person to a woman and they gave him hormones, but he always wanted to be a man. And it was like super confusing to him. Then he eventually wound up committing suicide when he was older. It was a horrible, horrible story. I mean, that's completely wrong and irresponsible. Directly connected. It is.
Starting point is 01:41:00 But what do you do when you cut off a baby's dick? I mean, that's the question. It wasn't a time when you can try to reconstruct? No, they've only started putting new dicks on people within the last year. Last year? Yes. I think there's actually only been one or two successful penis transplants. Whoa.
Starting point is 01:41:18 I mean, it is harder to create a penis than it is with the... It's not to create a penis. You take it from a cadaver. Well- Whoa. It's not the same as like- Mummy dick. When you transition male to female, you're flipping the dick, but they're adding on cadaver
Starting point is 01:41:34 parts when they're going female to male? No. This is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about someone whose dick is like mutilated in an accident or something. That's different. A dog bites your dick off. Like a Lorena Bobbitt. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:41:44 I was going to say, chick cut off her dick. Yeah. Well, they reattached that thing. They found it in the field, didn't you? Like she threw it out the window? Yeah, she chucked it out the window. Bitch, you should have threw that in the river. I mean.
Starting point is 01:41:56 Yeah, there's another story about a woman in Orange County who tied her boyfriend up after she drugged him, tied him up, and then cut his dick off and threw it in the garbage disposal. Badass. She's in jail. Yeah, she should up, and then cut his dick off and threw in the garbage disposal. Badass. She's in jail. Yeah, she should be, though. Apparently so. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:42:10 Badass, but would you say that if a guy did that to a girl? No, I'd be like, that's horrible. I have a bit about like a- Lost his penis during circumcision 17 years ago. Undergoes world's third successful penis transplant. But there's a color discrepancy that surgeons will fix with tattooing. I mean Alright
Starting point is 01:42:25 You got a penis transplant I wouldn't have complained About the color It's crazy It's so goddamn crazy Dead man's dick That people lose their dicks Because of circumcision
Starting point is 01:42:35 And then When It's not Totally common I mean It's rare But it happens When you're a cadaver
Starting point is 01:42:40 Who gets your dick Taken off To put on another person Do you Is that the When you check the box on your driver's license to donate your organs? Like it's all up for grabs? I guess, yeah. Wow.
Starting point is 01:42:53 Yeah, I'll just put that out there. If I die, take my dick. Go ahead. That's really nice of you. The thing is, it's probably really hard to get it to work, right? To get all, I mean, it's such a complicated organ. There's so much going on in there as far as all these different connections. And apparently the operation takes forever.
Starting point is 01:43:13 It's a long, crazy operation. Ticking balls are so mystical to me. Like when the balls, you ever stare at your balls and they just like, it's like there's an alien in it. It's like they just move like an octopus or something they're definitely weird it's so weird the movement the first time i gave a hand job though did surprise me of the balls i know the shaft i didn't realize it was gonna like move with me oh the skin was gonna yeah i was like how cool is this but i didn't say that out loud but i definitely thought it wait the skin moves with you yeah where it's like so i thought i was actually just gonna be like sliding my hand up and down.
Starting point is 01:43:46 But there was a little, like a give there. A little give. I thought that was so fucking cool. Oh, I thought it, okay. I'm going to revisit that later. Does your boyfriend have a dick? He does have a dick. Well, he did say, oh God, our first three-way i this girl gave him a ninja blow job like it was
Starting point is 01:44:06 so impressive he came right away and i've never i've sucked his dick many times still do that doesn't happen and uh i was in the corner going huh okay you were in the corner well i mean of the bed i was voyeurism but uh you know i was like oh word okay which and it was you know i still curious to see what you were doing because we learned this year christina has been giving You know, I was like, oh, word? Okay. And it was, you know, I stole the- I'm so curious to see what you were doing because we learned this year Christina has been giving blowjobs wrong to school. Sucking dick's all wrong. How you been doing it wrong? I didn't know you had to suck, like, suck it when you go up.
Starting point is 01:44:36 Like, a flashlight is pleasurable because of the suction. And when you suck a dick, you're supposed to, like, suck it in as you go up. Create a little airlock. A little suction-y. I was just licking it like a lollipop. And, you know, no one told me because they were probably
Starting point is 01:44:51 just happy I was there. I don't know. See, and that's why I'm like, I don't really love giving blowjobs, but it's like, Christina's like, I love it. I'm like, yeah, because you're not doing it right, and it's so much easier. If I was just licking the dick the whole time, I would also like a blowjob. So you don't like doing it because it's a lot of work? It is a job, Joe.
Starting point is 01:45:07 It depends. You know, a lot of, he's going to hate me. My boyfriend takes a long time to come. And so, I mean, just at a certain point, your mouth is uncomfortable. That's why I don't like hand jobs. I'm like, you do it. You do it better than me. I like watching you do it.
Starting point is 01:45:23 Why are we sitting here and i'm trying this you know that's a good point unless you really want me to but i'm like where is this gone where has are you comfortable talking about sex stuff for you yeah sure yeah yeah do you have sex toys you sex toys no no but i used to have the flashlight was one of the sponsors the earliest sponsor of the podcast but you you didn't, did you use it? Yeah, back then. Okay, so that's a sex toy. I don't anymore, but yeah, those are great.
Starting point is 01:45:48 My boyfriend doesn't use them anymore. I, we, he dated a famous porn star right before me and I discovered he held on to her Fleshlight while Hurricane Sandy was flooding my apartment and Crimp was over. Oh my goodness. She is there. Very uncomfortable. Very uncomfortable. He grabbed Sandy, strapped a life preserver to him.
Starting point is 01:46:04 This is not getting away. No. Very uncomfortable. He grabbed Sandy, strapped a life preserver to him. This is not getting away. No. Well, no, I picked it up, and I do a bit about this, but I picked it up, and I thought it was a flashlight, and I thought he'd thrown it away, and I was like, oh, that's a butthole. Okay. We're going to have a little talk when Corinne leaves. The butthole one. It's just crazy that they've molded it.
Starting point is 01:46:21 Yeah. I mean, obviously not the internal parts, but the outside. They literally put rubber oned. Yeah. They're like, I mean, obviously not the internal parts, but the outside, like they literally like put like, like rubber on them. Yeah. We've been to the place where they do stuff. We went to the Doc Johnson factory,
Starting point is 01:46:32 which is in Los Angeles. And we saw the chair that looks like an OBGYN's chair where the porn stars sit. And there was like remnants of like whatever the stuff, the cementy stuff that they're putting in their butt.
Starting point is 01:46:44 I'm like, this is so cool. We're taking pictures. It was great. It's our Disneyland. But when you jerk off with a flashlight, are you closing your eyes? Are you imagining? Because like they make it look like an actual pussy, but is that hot?
Starting point is 01:46:55 You're not looking at it. No, you don't need to look at it. They also made it look like an alien. They made an avatar one at one point in time. Whoa. Yeah, they made a blue one. Like you can fuck that big blue lady that. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Starting point is 01:47:08 But it's just a little bit of her. It's just a tube. It's just the part you need. You know what else they make that I thought was hilarious? They make them that are like, you know, those tall boy, like Pabst blue ribbon cans? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:47:16 They make them out of that, so you unscrew the... It looks like a can, so you'd have it in the freezer. It's like you're hiding your weed from your mom. Yeah, exactly. You're hiding the pussy from your wife. Yeah, it's like if you had a... Have you ever seen those little, it would be like one of
Starting point is 01:47:27 these caveman nitros, but you screw the top and you can stash money inside. Yeah, or weed. I had a fake rock that I used to put my house keys in and then you would put it in there. But then it's like, it does not look like a rock at all. It looks like, oh, this person hid a plastic rock in their garden for their keys. Yeah, it's so obvious. Like, I could leave my key in the door and it would be less obvious than this rock. Yeah, like I went over to a friend of mine's house
Starting point is 01:47:48 and he had fake rock speakers in his backyard. I was like, yeah, they play music, bro, but they're fucking, they look like rocks. It's not really a rock. It's impressing no one. Yeah. It's making people think less of you, probably. You know what it is?
Starting point is 01:47:59 It's those fucking catalogs they leave on planes. Oh, I love those. Remember those? You'd be going through those. The SkyMall. I need one of those. You need stuff to do. I need that six foot Bigfoot statue for my fucking, for my backyard. Yeah, he watches over the garden, man.
Starting point is 01:48:14 Oh. They do make fake, they make torsos. You ever seen one of those? It's just a chick's torso. It looks like you mutilated her. Those sex dolls. Yeah. You know, those real doll things.
Starting point is 01:48:27 You know, they have a brothel in Germany now where it's like a sex doll brothel. That seems less so. I mean, just buy it in your home. Bizarre. Oof. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So bizarre.
Starting point is 01:48:39 That doesn't seem clean. I wouldn't be comfortable with that. Yeah, there it is. Problem at sex doll brothel. The Johns are getting too weird. I mean... You could say that again. Normal people would come in and beat off into the same hole.
Starting point is 01:48:56 Wow. And I mean, would you ever fuck a sex doll? For the story. Really? So I could talk about it on the podcast. Really? I would fuck a sex podcast really I would fuck a sex doll I would fuck a sex doll for myself I'm not stupid
Starting point is 01:49:10 so I wouldn't think it's a real person no there's a big difference between beating off and then like when you're going so far that you're fucking
Starting point is 01:49:16 this rubber thing pretending it's a person you're taking it to a totally different place you are yeah like you're not in a fantasy land where you're masturbating
Starting point is 01:49:24 or watching porn and thinking. When you watch porn, aren't you thinking, aren't guys when they watch porn thinking like she's sucking my dick? Sort of. Like what do you think when you watch porn? You're just thinking that the activity is exciting. Like the activity you're seeing.
Starting point is 01:49:39 Yeah, of someone sucking a dick is exciting. And then you would like it if they were doing it to you but you're not thinking, oh, she's doing it to me, because you're not stupid. You know you're not there. Suspension of disbelief. It's like when you see a movie. You know you're at a theater.
Starting point is 01:49:53 But if you're holding on to some cold rubber, and you got her cold rubber feet in the air, and you're having sex with a cold rubber pussy. Oh, that was the other thing the guy told me. I wrote that article, and I was going back and forth with him. The guy with the relationship with the, he said he puts her in the, her in the tub. She, he fills the tub up with hot water to heat up the temperature of the body. Oh.
Starting point is 01:50:16 Oh, I mean, that's, that makes sense. Yeah. It does seem like a good idea. It's real murdery, but. So weird. It is very strange. I don't want to go over to his house, but he's not hurting anyone. What do you guys think?
Starting point is 01:50:26 If there is, like, this is, do you know what CRISPR is? It's the drawer in the bottom of your fridge where you put your veggies? Probably not, though. Yes and no. It is that, but it's also a new thing that they're allowing. They're starting to experiment with this new method of altering DNA. They're figuring out a way to do it with non-viable human embryos, and they're starting to do it with humans now that are alive.
Starting point is 01:50:56 And a guy was recently one of the first people to be injected with DNA from CRISPR. And as CRISPR gets more and more complex and more and more effective, they think in the future you're not only going to be able to pick what happens to your children, what your children are, what they look like,
Starting point is 01:51:14 what traits they have and don't have. You're literally going to have a laundry list of things that you can pick and choose. But you might be able to do it to yourself. They might be able to accelerate the actual capabilities of this technology to the point where you could take you and you'd say,
Starting point is 01:51:31 I want to be a six foot three black woman and then they shoot this stuff inside of you and then over the course of however long it takes to alter your body, this is all speculative because this guy was just the first guy ever to, this recent guy, see if you can find that just the first guy ever to, this recent guy. See if you can find that.
Starting point is 01:51:49 That's like Rachel Dolezal's dream. I was going to say, Rachel Dolezal would have had a heyday with that. There's a ton of those people out there. But this technology is not going to just change the way you look. It'll literally change who you are. It's going to stretch your legs out. It's going to change your features. And the way your brain works? The way you think?
Starting point is 01:52:03 Then they're going to go knock out Alzheimer's. They're going to stop a lot of the genes that allow people to have Parkinson's and a lot of different ailments that people have. They've isolated those genes and they think they can shut them off. Whoa, that's good. But I also think
Starting point is 01:52:19 I don't want to live to be 150. You might be able to, though. This is what's going to get really weird. You might not want to, and you might say that, but maybe if you're 80 and someone says, hey, you want to be 30 again? You might go, whoa. If I was in good health, I wouldn't mind it. Somebody might be willing. I mean, it might physically be possible for you to not just look 30, but be 30.
Starting point is 01:52:42 Whoa. Like literally change your cellular structure to the point where you're a young person. And that's going to be the destruction of our society. Modifying your own genes is just an injection away if you're feeling lucky because right now it's very experimental. But this is just speculative. There's an article
Starting point is 01:52:59 where the very first guy had it done. Yeah, very first use of CRISPR on a living person. So this is like, you know, there's this body acceptance thing, right? Like, I'm happy with who I am. Be happy, girl. Be happy, boy.
Starting point is 01:53:13 Be happy who you are. You're happy until someone comes along and says, hey, man, you could be Thor. You know, do you want to be Thor? Like, what do I have to do to be Thor? I'm not willing to make any sacrifices. No, you just go to the Thor doctor. It's like Halloween for life.
Starting point is 01:53:26 Yeah, he shoots a Thor shot in your ass, and you look like that Christopher whatever his name is guy. And could you, you think you would be able to change it? So like one day I'm Thor, but the next day I'm Cindy Crawford. You might be able to, well, it's probably going to take a while for your body to shift to whatever form it's going to be. Yeah, you got to wait to morph. And maybe if you keep doing it over and over again, it's like a VHS tape where you keep
Starting point is 01:53:44 copying it over and over again. And it's going to get fucked up. And it's going to get scratchy and over again, it's like a VHS tape where you keep copying it over and over again. And it's going to get fucked up. The quality, okay. Like a CD. You might put some errors in your DNA and grow some extra feet and weird shit. Yeah, that's fun. A little exciting. Who knows?
Starting point is 01:53:53 I mean, listen, there's going to be some early adopters that are very upset and have buyer's remorse. There's no doubt about that. Yeah, and then what do you do when that happens? What do you do? Sorry. Yeah. But it's like plastic surgery you can alter. I mean, you can't, obviously, those,
Starting point is 01:54:07 there's limitations for plastic surgery, but that don't seem to be on this, hypothetically, if it goes as far as it's going to go. But it's like plastic surgery in the sense that there was one way they used to do it, which was awful, and now they're way better at it. Yeah. Yeah, sometimes you can't tell. Yeah, like boob jobs. Like boob jobs now, they make boobs that are soft. They're smushy.
Starting point is 01:54:24 And you couldn't, when people, I've met a couple girls are like yeah these are fake tits i'm like yeah really can i touch them and then when you touch them they feel like a boob yeah yeah it's crazy you ever touch a fake boob that felt like a real boob uh not no but i've touched fake boobs i like that i liked yeah i like fake boobs like fake boobs. I think they're fun. They are fun. What do you think, Joe? Well, real's better, but it's weird. People accept fake girl parts.
Starting point is 01:54:55 They do not accept fake boy parts. It's really interesting. Like calves and shit? Yeah. What is a fake? I know guys that have had pec implants. What? Calf implants, yeah.
Starting point is 01:55:05 Can you tell that they're obviously implants? The guy I know guys that have had pec implants. What? Calf implants. Yeah. Can you tell that they're obviously implants? The guy I knew had it. He's dead. Oh, it's because he had it? He had a lot of issues and he was getting a lot of weird surgery.
Starting point is 01:55:13 Oh my God. One of the things he got was pec implants. Wow. Yeah. That's nice to know that sometimes men can be just as insecure as women.
Starting point is 01:55:20 They can. Oh yeah, absolutely. I think too. Oh, that's not implants. Those are some tiggle bitties. That's thin-thoid. What that guy's doing is he's injecting oil into his muscles to make his muscles larger
Starting point is 01:55:31 and bulge and stuff. I mean, that's not healthy, right? No. Not at all. No. And those guys get massive infections and gangrene. You're shooting. Gangrene.
Starting point is 01:55:40 I didn't even know you still could get gangrene. I thought that was like a 16th century shit. No. Mitch Hedberg had that. Mitch Hedberg, before he died, a couple years before he wound up overdosing, Stanhope and I were hanging out and he got the call that Mitch is in the hospital for gangrene because he's been shooting heroin into the same spot over and over again. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 01:56:01 That makes sense. Yeah, you can get gangrene for sure. People get it today. Shit, now I got nothing to worry about. That makes sense. Yeah, you can get gangrene for sure. People get it today. Shit, now I got nothing to worry about. Yeah. Fuck. But the thing is like, you should be happy with who you are
Starting point is 01:56:13 if you can't change it. What we're getting into is this weird place in the future. Have you found that article while you're out there Googling synthoid? I found the, sorry, I jumped on that. There was an article from 2016 that said someone in China was injected with it.
Starting point is 01:56:29 No, it's really, really recent. Within the last couple of days, it said man becomes the first living patient for CRISPR. They injected CRISPR DNA. It was in the last week or two. That article, I'm typing that in, it says it's from 2016. And the recent one says there's 20 embryos that got injected. Just add to the Google search, really recent.
Starting point is 01:56:49 Really, really recent. Have you ever heard of poop enemas? Yeah. Those are interesting. You found the guy? Okay, here it is. What, Evan? You take other people's poop? Yeah, here it is. Genes altered inside a person for the first time ever. This is it. Exactly. In a bold experiment that has never been done before, a man had his genes altered permanently
Starting point is 01:57:06 in an attempt to cure a disease. So this is one step, and this guy had a disease and decided to take this chance and do this. And so scientists, for the first time, have tried editing the gene inside the body in a bold attempt to permanently change a person's DNA to cure a disease. to permanently change a person's DNA to cure a disease. The experiment was done Monday in California on 44-year-old Brian Maddox. Maddox? Maddox?
Starting point is 01:57:35 Through an IV, he received billions of copies of a corrective gene and genetic tool to cut his DNA in a precise spot. It's kind of humbling to be the first test, said Maddox, who has a metabolic disease called Hunter Syndrome. I'm willing to take the risk. Hopefully it will help me and other people. Well, good for that guy for being the first guy to take that chance because that's one of the things that they need is they need someone who's- People willing.
Starting point is 01:57:55 Yeah. And he, like I said, as an early adopter, they'll learn from him and maybe be able to improve it. But the point is this is happening at an incredible pace. CRISPR was just discovered a few years ago. Damn. That's exciting. There's a great Radiolab podcast improve it. But the point is, this is happening at an incredible pace. CRISPR was just discovered a few years ago. Damn, that's exciting. There's a great
Starting point is 01:58:08 Radiolab podcast on it. It's spelled C-R-I-S-P-R, I think it is. I don't think it has an E in it. But if you look up the Radiolab podcast, it is fucking phenomenal. Damn.
Starting point is 01:58:19 And it's crazy when they explain how they discovered this and what the implications are. I got to tell my mom about that. She's got so many health things. And neurological. And every doctor who's ever encountered her is like, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:58:32 Sorry. And she's like, really? Was she around like any sort of like environmental? No. The only thing she's pretty sure she had Lyme's disease. And she didn't know I have Lyme's disease. Fuck, that stuff's bad. But I got the bullseye right away, and I got the antibiotics.
Starting point is 01:58:49 Now they give you two weeks of antibiotics. I only had 10 days at the time, so I feel like maybe I need to go back. But I don't, I have a very sensitive stomach, and that's all. Lyme disease is a motherfucker. It can fuck you up. Yeah, it doesn't. And it's getting worse and worse and worse. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:59:05 Spreading. Yeah, yeah doesn't. And it's getting worse and worse and worse. Yeah. Spreading. Yeah, yeah, it's not good. I read something like 60% of the ticks in the upper Hudson Valley have Lyme disease. Oh, Jesus. Yeah, something insane like that. Damn. Yeah, it's really high levels. And it's all over the East Coast.
Starting point is 01:59:16 And, you know, for a long time, doctors didn't even know what the fuck it was. Oh, yeah. And that's, I'm pretty sure because it's neurological for her. Yes. All of her shit's neurological. And she has an arachnoid cyst in the base of her stem that they don't know if it was there when she was born. Arachnoid cyst. Arachnoid cyst.
Starting point is 01:59:31 Yeah. It's like a spider cyst. Kind of. It's like a big ball. And then it like wraps around her the base of her skull and the top of her spinal cord. Yeah. And they think she just got diagnosed with dementia. And they think that possibly draining it would do something, but they don't know.
Starting point is 01:59:45 But then she just got half of her intestines taken out. She's one of the 3% of people who gets Bell's palsy and it doesn't go back. Oh, God. A lot of people get Bell's palsy from Lyme disease. Oh, yes. I remember reading that because I didn't know you could get Bell's palsy and then it goes back to normal. And it's more common. It's like 97% chance your face is going to go back to normal or the atrophy that happened.
Starting point is 02:00:08 Wow. A friend of mine's son got it. He was really young. And his son got Lyme disease. And he brought the son to the doctor. And the doctor didn't think it was Lyme disease. And then finally, the kid had Bell's palsy. And that's when they realized.
Starting point is 02:00:20 And then they started giving him the serious antibiotics. And the son was very young, too. I think he was only four at the time. Oh man. Intense. She had a, she had a stroke though. When she gave birth to my brother,
Starting point is 02:00:29 my older brother is her first kid. And, uh, that's then after that was when the Bell's palsy happened. So I'm like, I guess it's connected to that. She's like a walking health. She's a phenomenon.
Starting point is 02:00:40 Yeah, she is. She is. CRISPR. Yeah. I'm saying that shit probably could help, actually. Who knows? I mean, we'll see what happens to this guy with Hunter syndrome, but if this really works.
Starting point is 02:00:50 And this is all, like I said, this discovery of CRISPR is only a couple years old. They're already starting to use it on living humans. That's pretty cool. She's at the end of a rope to the point where she would say, whatever, do it. I don't care. So I feel like she'd be a good candidate for that. See, the thing about Lyme disease, too, is that it has a neurotoxic element to it that causes mental disorders.
Starting point is 02:01:10 Yeah. Yeah. It's connected to something called Morgellons disease. Oh, I've heard of that. I don't know what that is. Morgellons is like people start thinking they have fibers growing out of their skin. They start scratching themselves. Yes.
Starting point is 02:01:22 Yeah. And they hallucinate. I did a TV show about it and one of the things that I found that was fascinating was there was one doctor who was like a legitimate doctor who had Morgellons disease and was explaining the hallucinations that he would have
Starting point is 02:01:36 while he had because he had Lyme disease as well. And he was thinking that when you get bit by a bug and that bug has like Lyme disease and tick diseases, they vary. They vary in intensity and they also vary in how many different pathogens that tick can contain. And so the way he was describing it to me, he's like, you're talking about one symptom, like something that happens to you when you have a host of different pathogens. And he said some of those pathogens he, contain neurotoxic elements that causes people
Starting point is 02:02:07 to hallucinate. And one of those hallucinations is they think that things are growing on their skin and they start scratching themselves. And he was seeing it on his eyeball. He was saying he would look in the mirror and he would see something crawling across his eyeball that he knew wasn't really there. Fuck, man. And because he was so smart and because he was a doctor,
Starting point is 02:02:25 he was recognizing, like, okay, my brain is malfunctioning. I've got a real issue here, and the toxic element of this fucking Lyme disease is spreading through his body. Don't succumb to it. Yeah, and so Morgellons is, like, widely dismissed by a lot of medical practitioners as being a psychosomatic disorder.
Starting point is 02:02:44 They think that people are just crazy and they're hallucinating. But he's saying, yes, but if you look into that, they almost all have Lyme disease. He's saying it is connected and people are missing this connection. Yeah, I have. I feel like we've always debated, my mom and I, for mental shit is from that,
Starting point is 02:02:59 from Lyme. I don't have many symptoms of Lyme, but one thing I've been getting lately, like the past maybe five years, it's been anger attacks, like fucking rage
Starting point is 02:03:09 that I can't, I have to do something to get it out of my body. Maybe it's watching that girl suck your boy's dick. No,
Starting point is 02:03:16 I like that though. But that was fun. How come I was jerking off to it? No, but it would just come out of nowhere and I'm like, it feel, it it felt like I felt like the Incredible Hulk.
Starting point is 02:03:28 Like you felt like it's a medical issue, that something was going on. Like there was a problem, like an imbalance. Yeah, because it wasn't attached to hormone. It wasn't PMS. I also have bad PMS, but that's more anxiety. It's not anger. I would get these anger attacks, and I would have to scream. Oh, my poor boyfriend. Like I would scream. I would get these like anger attacks and I would have to scream. Oh, my poor boyfriend.
Starting point is 02:03:45 Like I would scream. I still do. I will scream into a pillow until I can't talk anymore. I have polyps on my vocal cords and I feel like that's not helping. But it's I need to get it out. I don't punch somebody, but I need to break something or I need to hurt myself so I can feel embarrassed and then come down from it. But at least you confirm my suspicions that all funny people are fucked up.
Starting point is 02:04:05 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Well, you don't seem very fucked up. Yeah, what's your fucked up? How are you fucked up? In what? Yeah, I get it out from martial arts, but my whole life I've been involved.
Starting point is 02:04:18 No, no, not. Or been in fights. In competitions. Oh. That's healthy, though, isn't it? Yeah, and maybe not. I got hit in the head a lot when I was young. Well, your brain works well.
Starting point is 02:04:30 You've got a lot of facts stored in there. It works pretty good, but it's also there's a hair trigger there. There's a hair trigger mechanism that always wants to flip off. It always wants to go dark. Oh, wow. What would trigger? An event, like someone doing something bad, something happening. To you or to anybody? To anybody. you do oh wow what could we like what could we what would trigger an event like some something
Starting point is 02:04:45 someone doing something bad something happening where to you or to anybody to anybody to me to anybody there's just a there's a there's the anger switch where i'm not real comfortable that i have a you know like if you have your finger on a gun and the trigger is very light and you you're applying pressure but you're very like oh this could go off any second now. Like there's that if something goes weird. Oh, that sucks. It does, but if you work out a lot, you can keep it in check. Yeah, I lift weights.
Starting point is 02:05:13 I train and I do like deadlifts and squats and shit. And that, I love physical labor. I love using my muscles. That's healthy. And it takes my anxiety away and it makes the rage attacks way less i feel like i have a lot of testosterone in me you probably do i mean that's probably why you like threesomes and a lot of crazy shit that some girls wouldn't be into yeah yeah but there's nothing wrong with
Starting point is 02:05:34 that you know but it's all it's all in like finding what you need to do to kind of balance out whatever biological issues you have that's what it is because right now at this point like i feel like the world doesn't see the anger attacks, but my poor fucking boyfriend, I mean, cause I live with them. So he's the one that gets the brunt of it and he cares about me and he'll go, do you,
Starting point is 02:05:50 when this happens, do you want me to come upstairs? Do you want me to ignore you? I'm like, I don't know. I'm sorry. Have you ever, um,
Starting point is 02:05:56 do you ever like do, uh, like a boxing class or something like hit a, a punching bag? I did kickboxing once and I cried the whole class. Why'd you cry? Because I was like, you piece of shit.
Starting point is 02:06:08 Like anger cry. Yeah. Didn't even, I was in a good mood that day. I just, my friend Melissa like loves kickboxing. She's very athletic
Starting point is 02:06:15 and she's like, you should come with me to a Tiger Schulman's class and I was like, okay. And then I came and oh man, I went to town
Starting point is 02:06:22 on that punching bag. I love punching shit. Did you feel good when it was over? Yeah. Yeah. Sounds yeah yeah but maybe you should do that yeah yeah yeah I mean the thing like I yeah I should take boxing class I just don't like when anybody else is around because it kind of embarrassing well that's why the rage rooms that we were talking about before would be because you're in a rage room by yourself yeah but
Starting point is 02:06:38 I they don't have them in New York City what a rage room is a place they have you I can't believe you don't know about everything you would love this my life is a rage room is a place they have them. I can't believe you don't know about it. You know about everything. I'm a man. You would love this. I don't need a rage room. My life is a rage room. I think men need rage rooms more than anyone. I have a rage garage. Okay. Do you break shit? No. Okay, so these they'll go to a thrift store. They'll
Starting point is 02:06:57 buy all the, you know, plates. And you can go in there with a fucking baseball bat and just destroy it this is a rage room yeah this is my fantasy oh god i mean that's lame i want to break glass super wasteful but yeah this seems wasteful to me nah i love it like this guy's like half assing that well he's not trying hard he's not mad at all he's just trying to fuck these girls. Yeah. Okay, girls, get together. I got rage in me. Afterwards, I'll massage you.
Starting point is 02:07:28 Look at this guy. That guy looks like he's got some deep rage. Let me take a rage out of your pussy. He might have some, like, hidden rage. Oh, hey. I like that guy, huh? Yeah. This guy's, like, examining his work.
Starting point is 02:07:37 That's kind of hot, too. See, he's not even angry. See, that to me... This guy's so fake in it. Yeah. He's not even angry the way he's hitting things. I mean, if I'm in a rage room, I do not want there to be cameras. I like how they put chest protectors on you.
Starting point is 02:07:47 What a bunch of pussies. Yeah. Lame-ass pieces of shit. What if when you're breaking things, something hits you in the chest? Are you going to be okay? There's consequences to rage, you fuck. I know. It's the whole idea.
Starting point is 02:07:57 But I want to destroy some shit and not have there be any consequences. This is what I think you should do. I think you should seriously try to meditate because I think it would help you. Yeah. Sometimes it makes me angry though. Yeah. But then I think you should go to a martial arts class. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:08:10 You should do that and go take the kickboxing class. Go punch a bag. I bet it'll get it out of your system though. Maybe. I bet it will. Maybe. I've screamed, man. And it's alarming.
Starting point is 02:08:20 You ever try yoga? I love yoga. I do yoga a lot. I use the excuse of time. It does help i but i like um like that's why i like weight lifting like i i got up to a point where i was i was squatting 175 pounds and it was oh it felt so good and it felt like i was every cell in my body was working for something and i got energy out and if i hadn't gotten that energy out i would
Starting point is 02:08:41 have just like had a fucking anger attack it excites your whole endocrine system, too. The thing about lifting weights, specifically like squats and deadlifts and these big, giant, complex movements, is that it forces your body to get stronger in a way that it excites your hormonal system. And it makes your bones denser. That's one of the most important things about it. Yeah. It's a great way to combat osteoporosis is to lift weights.
Starting point is 02:09:05 Oh, shit. I just like it because it's the one time, like, I like physical activity because I have to think about the physical activity I'm doing so I can't stress about my career. Yeah. It's like the only time I don't think about,
Starting point is 02:09:17 like, getting ahead. I'm just like, it's the only time I'm in the moment, really. And I love talking to trainers because you're talking about... What about sex? Yeah. Sex is that, too.
Starting point is 02:09:26 You're on the moment? No, she's tired of her jaws hurting. Her jaws hurting. My boyfriend said to me the other day, he's like, you never look me in the eye when we fuck. I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess I don't. Yeah, but it's also like we have a sex podcast. So I think that, I mean, before we had the sex podcast, it was more freeing for me.
Starting point is 02:09:42 Now I do think of work when i think of sex because we have a sex podcast that is paying my rent so yeah well it's an ironic thing about careers is that if especially in a creative endeavor if you think too much about them you paralyze yourself yeah like you paralyze the creativity because you're thinking about advancement and getting ahead and success instead of thinking about creative ideas like you can you could definitely like have too much of one or the other. I mean, you can only think about creative and never get your career online
Starting point is 02:10:11 because you just never figure out how to monetize things. And don't put pressure on the idea. Like when Guys Be Fucked, it just came out of like, let's just do this. And I was nervous to do it because the name was so brash and I knew it was good,
Starting point is 02:10:24 but I'm like, damn, my mom's going to find out. And I was nervous to do it because the name was so brash. And I knew it was good, but I'm like, damn, my mom's going to find out. And I was worried about that. I hid it from her for two years successfully. That's hilarious. It started getting too big, though. But we honestly, both of us were like, no one's going to listen to this shit. No one's going to listen to me talk about my pussy. So I might as well just talk about it and not care.
Starting point is 02:10:40 And then people listen. That's the way podcasts evolve the best. When I first started doing it, me and my friend Brian, we just started fucking around with a laptop. Yeah, Red Band, right? Yeah. We just set up a laptop and we're doing it on Ustream and we didn't even have it uploaded to iTunes.
Starting point is 02:10:55 We're just doing this live streaming thing and then people would ask questions and there was like 200 people watching and it was like, that was the early days. There was no pressure on it at all. Yeah. And then we were like, I'll do this every week. watching and it was like that was the early days there was no pressure on it at all yeah and then it we're like i'll do this every week and then every week started building and building and building and then we started getting some numbers in and it was like hmm yeah people watching this thing and then it got weird you know well it's cool because like doing your podcast you can do
Starting point is 02:11:18 every fucking late night show on television and you get you reach more people because podcasts you can hear anywhere there's internet in the world. You can get access to it. That's so powerful. There's definitely that. And there's also no one's interrupting you. No one's telling you what to talk about. Think about some of the fucked up shit we've said in the last couple hours. Right.
Starting point is 02:11:35 I know. Nobody would ever allow that. And we go into like TV meetings and pitch like dark shit and just see the blood draining from their face. I'm like oh fuck you pussies but then you remember you have to be when you're in there gina's never gonna sign on to that concept yeah hell no different world those people yeah those tv people they live in a world of tricking dummies in the middle of the country yeah that's what they they look for
Starting point is 02:12:01 the next three and a half men like what can i get what can i need a big bang theory to shove down these morons' throats. Right. They were really open about it. A lot of concepts we pitched, they're like, yeah, but the middle of the country. They're not going to like that. Like, fuck them. Why do I want them behind? And there's a lot of great people in the middle of the country now, too.
Starting point is 02:12:16 This is the weird thing about the middle of the country. It doesn't exist anymore. Because the middle of the country has the internet, too. Yeah. So, like, ignorance is, I mean, there's got to be pockets of ignorance no matter what you do and we found that out in charlottesville like that was a big like shocker for a lot of people they didn't know that there's still people with fucking tiki torches walking down the street talking about the the land of our fathers and all this goofy shit but you're you're finding more and more people like if you tour you can go to places like kansas
Starting point is 02:12:43 city you run a fucking shitload of cool people. Dude, we were in Spokane. We had a gig in Spokane. Spokane. Or Spokane. Washington is awesome, though. Washington State's awesome. We've been to
Starting point is 02:12:51 Minneapolis was great. Ohio, Minnesota, Dallas. Indianapolis is great. And Salt Lake City, I really love. That's a city. You say Dallas? Texas?
Starting point is 02:12:59 Texas is awesome. But our live show is very, you're gonna love it or you're gonna hate it. Right. And I would go go to going to like a more conservative state I'm like I don't think they liked it. The people who are coming exactly it's like they found their their podcast in that helped them live in Dallas Texas or wherever it may be. We did a segment called we did a segment called sexting theater we're like who in here sex and then, I'm like, give me your phone. I want to read with theatrical interpretation of their sex. The raunchiest one, I didn't even want to read it.
Starting point is 02:13:28 I was blushing, was in Dallas. This guy talking about sucking a fart out of someone's butt. It was our first gay man. So of course he was much better than any of the women. But I was like, that's impressive and unexpected. You were on board with the fart sucking until you heard it was a man. I wasn't on board.
Starting point is 02:13:43 I was trying to take it all in. And then he hit me with gay man and it won't even further. So much. You never suck a fart out of a butt, Joe? No, I haven't. I've missed that part of my life. Wait, have you licked a butt? It's all just experiences, of course.
Starting point is 02:13:56 Have you ever your butthole licked? Yes. Finger in the butt? No, not that one. Why not? You have a prostate. There's a lot of shit in there. You don't do it after you've eaten a burrito.
Starting point is 02:14:05 I agree with you. Okay, you gotta pick your times. No, okay, wait. I don't wanna lick. I'm gonna give you a homework assignment. I don't wanna lick a straight man's butt. Take it from the girl with a bullet for a ring. That's where bullets belong, on jewelry.
Starting point is 02:14:16 But everyone thinks it's a cocaine vial. I'm like, oh, that's a good point. I never thought of that. It could be. But, and then a P-spot stimulator. So your prostate is your g-spot and you just put it in and then you don't you're it's not ram it you just put it in you have sex or you put it in you jerk off the or when i hear men talk about like they love women when they when
Starting point is 02:14:34 a woman comes it's so hot to them i've never experienced that with men because they're always like but this thing i'm telling you i'm surprised i could reenact that So many times I've seen it Yeah But when they have the When my boyfriend has the Eneros in Is the product that we use The what? Eneros
Starting point is 02:14:51 N-E-R-O-S What is that? It's a prostate simulator Peace bus simulator So it's like a It's a rod You shove in there Yeah it's not as
Starting point is 02:14:59 It's more like Gently glide A robot finger With But wasn't it shaped like this? It's God's thumb Yeah it's shaped like It's not that big It's not intimidatingly big with... But wasn't it shaped like this? It's God's thumb. Yeah, it's shaped like... It's not that big.
Starting point is 02:15:06 It's not intimidatingly big. And you put it in and we have sex. Like a baby dick. The orgasm... Yes. Like a curved baby dick. You ruined that. No.
Starting point is 02:15:17 It's like a mini dildo for your butthole. We were all having a nice time. No, but then you have sex. You do what you gotta do anyway. And the orgasm for the guy is so much more intense to the point where I'm like, that's the hottest thing I've ever seen. The hottest thing I've ever seen. And he likes it.
Starting point is 02:15:33 So you should try it. Okay. Do you have a good orgasm face? Probably not. I'm not looking in the mirror when I cum. No, you never have. My dick is a real problem. You never have.
Starting point is 02:15:41 Do you feel it? Do you jerk off in front of the mirror? Yeah, just look at yourself. Angry or sad? You got to pick right before you come. That would make me dry for ages. Are you a performer or not? The new Trident series.
Starting point is 02:15:52 Yeah. Wow. It looks like sperm. The one we use is black. I don't suggest getting a white one because then you'd pull it out. Ew. It's going to just fall over it. Oh, God.
Starting point is 02:16:01 Not always. Not always. It's like checking the oil. I hate to end this podcast on this note, but I do have to wrap this bitch up. No, it's perfect. Perfect. Leave them wanting more.
Starting point is 02:16:12 And dipsticks. Listen, you guys are really fun. Like I said many times before, I think you guys, you prove to me that you don't have to be like a famous person to have a very successful podcast. And people kept saying that to me.
Starting point is 02:16:23 Like, oh, it's oversaturated. I go like, bullshit. And I always say, what about Guys We Fucked? I go, those girls came out of nowhere. They're always top ten. I go, they're kicking ass. And they're just good. They just, they flow together. They're having fun together. Thank you. It's great. Every time you mention us, man, it's spiking. It's really,
Starting point is 02:16:39 you are powerful. You really got a powerful but you got, you're like, you're the top podcast all the time. One time we were above you in Canada and everyone freaked out and emailed us and they were like holy shit and I just felt like we are not worthy. Oh my God, but we appreciate it. It's nice to earn
Starting point is 02:16:55 somebody's respect that you respect and it's because you have something that's good. I appreciate you guys too and I appreciate the fact that you guys are really good at being yourselves you know, and I think that that I'm a professional yeah that's but that's fucking you have a huge point though because that's i mean that's what half of our book is about is about that just me professionally being me that's it that's all i'm offering isn't it amazing that that in itself is incredibly rare it it makes me sad but yes but it shouldn't make you sad because i think it's
Starting point is 02:17:24 going to be less rare in the future. I hope so. I think human beings and I think our culture is evolving. We were talking about the social climate that's happening and how many things are going on right now and words that people are not supposed to use anymore and things that people used to think of
Starting point is 02:17:40 as being commonplace are now thought of as being problematic. There's a lot going on right now. It's exciting. It does feel like there's a shift. I feel it. I think, and along with things like this CRISPR technology and a bunch of other
Starting point is 02:17:51 probably unforeseen technologies that are being worked on right now as we speak, I think some weird shit is going down. Man, in 40 years, we're all going to be like basketball players and shit. It's going to be fun.
Starting point is 02:18:01 We're going to be aliens. I would do that. I would choose that CRISper. Would you? Would you go with the big gray head and the black eyes and the skinny... That's hack. That's hack? That's a hack alien? Yeah, that's a hack alien. What kind of alien would you like? Big old titties.
Starting point is 02:18:14 I'd be an octopus. And my pussy can kill people. Number one, I would be purple and metallic. Those are aesthetically I would choose that. Your pussy could be like that chest monster from Thing. Oh, you could put your pussy on your chest. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:18:28 You might have more control over your pussy if you could just wham it down on things. Ugh, I wish. Right? Like I could just put it, like I could just like. And on that note. Thank you, ladies. You guys are awesome. Thank you.
Starting point is 02:18:37 Thank you so much for having us. Guys, we fucked. You can get it on iTunes and elsewhere. Twitter's. Philanthropy gal. Christina Hutch with two Y's. That's it. iTunes and elsewhere. Twitters. Philanthropy gal. Christina Hutch with two Ys. That's it. Goodbye, everybody.
Starting point is 02:18:51 That was so much fun.

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