The Joe Rogan Experience - #1047 - Andy Stumpf

Episode Date: December 4, 2017

Andy Stumpf is a retired Navy SEAL and is also currently a wingsuit world record holder. He hosts his own podcast called "Cleared Hot" available on Spotify. https://www.andystumpf.com/

Yee-haw! Andy Stump! We're here, ladies and gentlemen. The party's already started. We're drinking something that my friend Ben O'Brien invented. It's called a rye brain. It's a whiskey and alpha brain. And it's delicious. And a Yeti tumbler. Cheers. Cheers, my brother. Good to see you, buddy. Yeah, man. It's been a while.

You're living the good life. Hey, I'm still kicking, you know? It's another good day. I'm still vertical. Yeah, but you're living the good life, man. I'm still kicking. It's another good day. I'm still vertical. Yeah, but you're living the good life, man. You're out doing what I want to do. You're out there in the fucking great state of Montana. You escaped. I landed on Saturday. I lived in San Diego for, I think, almost 10 years.

Love San Diego. I do, too. No complaints about California. It's beautiful. The beaches, there's mountains, all that stuff. I love it. Landed San Diego, got in the rental car, was going out to skydive and couldn't even see the mountains out by where I'm going to go jump because it was all hazy and smoggy. And it took me longer

to get out of the parking lot than it does to like get back to my house, go shoot the bow in the backyard, go do a workout. I was still in the San diego international parking lot so i can't wait to go back yeah there's good and bad you know there's good things about the big city life you know you get a lot of great restaurants a lot of cool shit but you've already done that you know we moved to a town that has 22 000 people wow from a subdivision of san diego that had 260 000 people and i honestly my only regret is that it took us so long to pull the trigger on doing it. It is unbelievable. And have you done the winter yet?

Winter's coming. It's coming. So you haven't done it yet. Yeah. I visited the winter last year. We were there for the whole month of December. There was a few days. It was negative 10.

Okay. Which I found if you stand close enough to the fire, it feels just fine. Yeah, man. Just wear a nice thick, like a real good jacket. You know, wear good wool undergarments. You could be all right. I know some people who work in the industry to make the cold weather gear just from my old job. And they send me some stuff. So it's really not that bad bad and there's some things in life that i will spend good money on

cold weather gear rain gear just pony up and pay the extra money because it's gonna pay off for you in the end yeah i get some real shit my friend tony lives in columbus ohio and he he the way he put it he goes like look he's like here's the He goes, you can't really dress for hot weather. He goes, but you could dress for cold weather. He goes, you wear warm clothes in cold weather, you're fine. He goes, but when it's hot out, it's just fucking hot out. You got to go indoors. He's right.

Or you can nude up, but then once you get to that level, you're done. Yeah, but even when you nude up, it's that hot. But it's like LA has no weather. It gets hot and that's it. It rarely rains. If it rains 20 days a year, it's like LA has no weather. It gets hot and that's it. It rarely rains. If it rains 20 days a year, it's crazy. Nobody knows what to do. Inside, I'm not going to lie, I was laughing and very happy when you were posting about it was like 105, 106.

And up where we live is like 60 beautiful bluebird skies, a little bit of a breeze. Yeah, I bet you get sick nighttime, starver looking too, right? What's the stargazing up there? I mean, it's not hard to get out of that light pollution. You drive, you know, we're fortunate we have, probably the reason we moved up there is we bought an investment property in 2016. And it's in the middle of nowhere, like probably 15 miles out. And you want to talk about no light pollution, the ability just to look up and it doesn't look anything. Unless you've experienced that, you can't describe how much you're missing out if you live in a city looking up. It's unbelievable.

Yeah. It's weird, right? It's one of the weirdest things about civilization that we've chosen to do that. I know that a lot of, um, there's, there's a lot of talk about people having like, um, nights or like one time of the year where everybody shuts their lights off. And they have just a viewing of the stars, like a no light night. Who's talking about doing this? I've heard that before online. I've heard people organizing light pollution observance day or some shit. Yeah, I've heard some crazy things online.

I try to avoid most of the things that I hear about online. Gatherings that start online. I'm like, I'm, no. The picture that I put of you with your flying squirrel suit flying over the fucking earth, I purposely chose it because you can see the curvature of the earth in the background. Or can you, based on the comments. Or can you, bro? It's a fucking fisheye lens, bro.

Was that shot with a fisheye lens? Whatever the GoPro comes with. Yeah? It's a fucking fisheye lens, bro. Was that shot with a fisheye lens? Whatever the GoPro comes with. Yeah, it's probably a fisheye lens. It's got a little bit of a curvature to it. There it is. Look at that. There you go. I love that suit.

I was jumping that suit on Saturday. There's some interesting comments in there. The internet is a very interesting environment that has no consequences and allows people to interact in a way they never would if they were sitting across like we are right now. Yeah. And it also requires discipline in that regard, like the way people communicate with people. It just there's no discipline in terms of like conserve.

Like, just think about what you're going to say. Think about if a person was in front of you, think about how it's going to affect that person and then proceed nobody does that there's none of that there's it's i would not i wouldn't say nobody does that but it's few and far between there's no consequences especially if you're an anonymous person just regular joe blow the egg yeah and you got an egg and it's like dick fuck six nine five two whatever your name is you just feel like talking shit i mean i understand it if you if you put a quarter inch piece of glass in between me and another driver on the road i've

been known to say some interesting things that i wouldn't say to somebody in like a line at starbucks if they bumped into me do you know what that's from though what they say um the scientists have kind of studied the human response to critical situations where you have to make split-second maneuvers, like high-stress situations. You don't think of a car as being a high-stress situation. But when you're going 70 miles an hour and every little thing is like you're way more tuned in than you think you are. So anything that happens is like, this motherfucker. Like you're way more ramped up. That's where road

rage comes from it comes from the fact that your brain is very aware that you're going to have to make split second decisions so even though you don't realize it you're at seven all the time you're just ready to flip to 11 when a guy ready to get crazy you motherfucker yeah i mean i've seen people just lose their shit and and by the way here's the really crazy thing I've seen people just lose their shit. And by the way, here's the really crazy thing. I've seen people lose their shit, and if it ever physically escalated, like they did pull over, they got out of their car. I've seen that. They'd be helpless. They'd be helpless.

They don't know how. I've been with people. I'm like, listen, man, you don't know how to fight at all. Like, what are you doing? You're starting a fight? That's crazy. Don't do that. You're starting a fight, and you're praying to God or whatever you believe in that this person doesn't do that you're starting a fight and you're praying to god or

whatever you believe in that this person doesn't actually follow you or pull over yeah they're in a car version of the egg on twitter they just assume like fuck you you're never gonna see me again and this isn't real you piece of shit but sometimes it is real you know i've seen people duking it out on the side of the road oh yeah yeah and it's it's pretty ugly it doesn't go well for both parties generally a buddy of mine from jiu-jitsu pulled out on the side of the road? Oh, yeah. Yeah. And it's pretty ugly. It doesn't go well for both parties generally. A buddy of mine from jiu-jitsu pulled over to the side of the road with a guy once, and they started duking it out, and they both knew how to fight. It was crazy.

They were hitting doubles and sprawling. The other guy goes for a darts. He reverses him. He gets side control, knees him in the body. The guy fucking hits him at a triangle. He passes the guard. The whole thing go back and forth and back and forth. On the fucking grass. They were on the grass on the side of the road and then when it's they're

both exhausted they high-fived each other and then got back in their car they were laughing they're like you know how to fight man like they're both actually they both were like i'm gonna fuck this dude up i'm gonna fuck this dude up and then they both were not just not just did they both know how to fight they were both at like a purple belt level. A little impromptu grappling session in the car. And punches and kicks and the whole deal. But they both actually knew how to fight. It was pretty funny.

The way he was telling it was pretty hilarious. I mean, I can't lie. I get excited when I see people upset in their cars. If I cut them off accidentally and I see them getting pissed, like the foot just slowly rolls off the gas. Yeah. And they get really close and I'm doing 40 on the freeway and I don't know. I mean, I don't know what my problem is.

I'm probably just an asshole. But the more upset they get, the more warmth I feel in my soul as I'm going down the road watching them lose their shit in their car. Well, don't you think that a guy like you who's been through so much actual real combat probably relishes a little elevation of the normal day-to-day life? Just a little, turn that bitch up a little bit. Let's feel a little heat. Come on, just crank it up a little bit.

I'm probably the last person that would ever fight. I bet you it's the same with the UFC guys, right, who make their living in that insane octagon. You think some of the things I do are a little bit atypical. I think people who live in the octagon are absolutely out of their mind. Dude, you flew 18 miles in a

squirrel suit. The suit did most of the work, man. I just laid in that thing. Yeah, but it doesn't matter. All this shit that can go wrong. What did you say the temperature was when you jumped out 50 below zero 50 below with the windchill and i was rocking a t-shirt because i'm not smart how cold did that get i couldn't feel my hands uh i had hand warmers the chemical you know the ones that you crack open just for like skiing but i didn't i didn't open the bag until 20,000 feet. You know, I didn't really think that through.

It needs oxygen. How do you open the bag while you're flying like that? No, up on the way up. It was an hour flight to altitude. And I knew it was going to be cold. So I opened up the things and I put them on my hands and put my gloves on. So I'm like, why am I not feeling these heat up? And then I realized that they need oxygen for the chemical reaction.

So I jumped out and I, by probably halfway down, I couldn't feel my hands. So I just had them like tucked up behind the wing. And I know where the little small parachute is that you have to pull to deploy your parachute. And I'm like, all right, it'll be all right. I know where this is. I've done this before. Pulled the parachute and I get on the ground and then my hands started burning because the chemicals started reacting. Oh, wow.

So it went from freezing cold hand to feeling like I had my hands dipped into lava, so I couldn't get the gloves off. Also, probably a little hypothermia, right? Probably. That's what they say. They found a guy recently in, I want to say Oregon or Idaho. I don't know. One of them cold places. And he went elk hunting, and they couldn't find him.

He got lost. And when they found him, he was dead. And he was only like a couple hundred yards from his truck. And they think he got snowed out and couldn't see where he was going. And he had taken his jacket off and he had taken his gloves and his hat off. And they say that's one of the signs of hypothermia. You find people naked a lot of the time. They take all of it. Well, you're euphoric. Yeah. Theyothermia is you start- You find people naked a lot of the time. They take all the-

Well, you're euphoric. Yeah. They just start, you know- You get hot, too, apparently. It's not just euphoria. I don't know if you get hot or you- There he is. Yeah.

Washington State. That's what it is. Yeah. Missing elk hunter recovered in Washington. I had heard about another guy who died in Oregon who was a tech guy. He used to be on this tech show that I used to watch, and he would review gadgets. This was like early 2000s.

And he went up with his family, and they didn't have a car that could handle serious snow, and they got stuck, and they were there for nine days with no food. And he went walking off to get help and froze to death, and his family was eventually rescued. How far did he make it? I don't think he made it very far. I mean, he wasn't wearing the right clothes.

Oh, you're done. He was wearing regular clothes, you know. And he was just desperate and he was trying to save his family. And it's just so sad because I'd seen that guy on TV. It was so weird because you see a guy on TV reviewing gadgets like here's the latest laptop like look at the here's the Ethernet port and what we've got here is a you know the bubble bubble but and all this different stuff he'd review like the most technical of technical things and in terms of like the highest level of electronic achievement so far right

like the newest gadgets that people love like like the highest level of electronic achievement so far right like the newest gadgets that people love like like the when you think about society and civilization you think about those things and meanwhile the guy froze to death in the forest like the real life all the tech in the world isn't going to save you if you get out into the wild if you rely on something that has batteries for your sustainment of your life you're going to be in trouble at some point. Yeah. You got to have baseline skills. Yeah.

They say that like when people go into the forest, people are afraid of grizzly bears and all sorts of different things. But hypothermia kills more people than anything. Yeah. It doesn't surprise me. It's slow, too. I mean, that's the insidious onset of, you know, your feet get a little bit cold. me it's slow too i mean that's the insidious onset of you know your feet get a little bit cold and from what i've uh i've talked to some guys who work like up in alaska right where's mckinley i think mckinley's in alaska wherever mckinley is and it's not uncommon for them to find people

basically missing but they're naked because it's that slow the thought process degrades i'm sweating and take my jacket off and then they just lay down and go to sleep. Like it's just like 1% of the time until you're basically a popsicle. And doesn't your brain pump morphine or some equivalent to morphine through your body when you're like near death? I think when you're in like severe pain or near death, I don't think it does make something. I think you just go into shock. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't know the, the physical process of what happens when you go into shock yeah yeah i don't know the the physical process of what happens when you go into shock but i've seen some people that are in a lot of pain and they would have liked to have their brain pumping some morphine yeah wasn't happening maybe they weren't pumping enough perhaps yeah just i'd read something about that that there were there was someone who was trying to explain um near-death experiences and like why when people have near-death experiences they have all these freaky visions and some of it they think could be connected to psychedelic chemicals that your brain produces which are that they definitely know that's true but i think there was also some talk about some morphine like

substance that your brain makes it wouldn't surprise me if your body recognized it was on the downhill slide that would be a little yeah just like this dude doesn't need to keep screaming yeah probably just a protection mechanism if anything yeah well when you're out there man i think one of the cool things about being in the wilderness is that most people most people just never experience that for long stretches. And when you do get to experience it, it gives you sort of a, like, oh, I always thought the world was this. I always thought the world was Phoenix, Arizona, where you drive down the street and you go to see your friend. And you get in the car and you go to the movies and there's a restaurant.

And then you go to Montana, you go wandering through the forest and you see deer and bears. And you see the mountains and the quiet and your cell phone doesn't work. And you're like, Oh yeah, this is the actual world. I have found that it's that, and that people and including myself think that I am this. And then you go out into that environment where you're detached and then you have to rely upon yourself and your knowledge and your grit or your fortitude.

And you kind of figure out more of who you are as well too i don't think people really you don't figure out who you are if you live in the greater los angeles area do you know who you are in los angeles correct but i don't think who you are in los angeles is who you really are i don't think so either i think you gotta go out and outside of that and either rely on yourself or maybe even more importantly rely on somebody else and have that dynamic outside of a – I mean you couldn't – I guess you could starve to death obviously or not have enough water. But the places to get those things in L.A. you could solve in a block in either direction. Yeah. Go far enough out in the woods and you're on your own. And to me that's where you find out who you are.

I do – I like being out there because I get to think about me a lot. Yeah, I think that's a real good point that you're not like you think you are who you are. You think you know yourself, but you know yourself in the environments that you know. Correct. The way you really find out who you are is to experience a lot of different environments and a lot of different difficult things. Like you don't really know someone until you see them tired, until you see them exhausted. Hungry. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, the John Dudley's always said that about hunting. Like you think you know a guy, take him hunting. His litmus test is hunting camp. Yeah. I believe he says, you'll either be friends for life or I'm never going to want to spend another moment with you.

Yeah. It's pretty accurate. Yeah. So you come off the rails. People are like, I going to want to spend another moment with you. Yeah. It's pretty accurate. Yeah. So you come off the rails. People, I don't want to get up at five in the morning. I just went to bed at 11. All right. Well, you're not on the invite list for next year.

You're missing out on this thing we're doing. Yeah. You can go hunt that PB&J in the refrigerator. There's a line where you got to learn though. Like there is a line where like, okay, we could die today. This is not, we should, we should like, okay, we could die today. This is not. We should really be careful if we go out today. You know, this is not the right.

Like, my friend Adam Greentree. Do you know Adam? You got to meet him. If you don't know him. Well, first off, I don't know him, but I definitely follow him. Yeah. Yeah. That motherfucker skirts the line.

That's his water buffalo up there, by the way. Right above Old Glory. That's awesome. Is that your elk from? Yeah. That one is from Tohon Ranch. God, look at the rack on that thing. But Adam, he crosses that line. He gets to the edge of that line. He pushes that line is how I would describe it. He goes out by himself a month at a time, nothing but a tent, runs out of water all the time, drinks

funky water coming out. He's got that weird Australian gut, though, where he could just drink water and like- Get some microbes going on in there? Whatever he's eaten in his life, it's like it's festering inside of his body. It kills off everything else. He doesn't get sick. The fucking guy drinks out of creeks all the time. Because he's probably always just sick, and that's his normal.

Maybe. He is sick. He's happy, though. Yeah. But he gets close. Like, he gets close to that edge. Did you ever see that? Would you watch the Instagram story when the grizzly bear kept charging him?

And he's fucking filming it all for Instagram? Yeah, but he's also got an unloaded gun. I was very upset with him. No, it was loaded, but he had never shot it. The bolt was out of battery. No, the bullets were the wrong an unloaded gun. I was very upset with him. No, it was loaded, but he had never shot it. The bolt was out of battery. No, the bullets were the wrong size for the gun. You can barely see the top of the gun I'm looking at, and you can see the barrel at the angle, so the slide is back. You can tell.

Oh, yeah. You're pointing your finger at a bear. You're going to pull on that as it eats your face. He said the bear ran to 10 yards. No, thank you. Full clip, 10 yards. Pass. False charge, 10 yards.

He said when you see it running and you see the muscles rippling under the hair and the hair and the snow and the moisture is flying. And imagine the breath and the noise of that claw ripping through the ground. No, thank you. And it's huge. You know, he said it was like a nine-foot bear just running at him. And if so, if he, I mean, obviously he's got a ton of interactions with animals in the wild. But if he had run instead of standing his ground.

He'd have been fucked. It would have attacked him, right? 100%. Oh, my God. Yeah, he would have been fucked. You can't, because they just have an instinct. It would just take him, right? 100%. Oh, my God. Yeah, he would have been fucked. You can't because they just have an instinct. It would just take you out. It's like you're weak.

You're moving away. Not only are you not a threat now, now the bear has the opportunity to close the distance. And the bears don't exactly know what the fuck you are. They don't exactly know what the fuck a person is. They might have seen a person a few times before, but they don't eat a person and they don't fuck a person. The problem is when a bear does eat a person. Once a bear eats a person, like, before, but they don't eat a person and they don't fuck a person. The problem is when a bear does eat a person. Once a bear eats a person, like, oh, I could just fucking eat people. Delicious.

They can't run at all. Like, a bear chases an elk. Like, it's kind of a hustle. It's a lot of running. I can't imagine a bear catching an elk. Oh, they catch them. Do they really? There's a crazy video of a bear eating a moose.

He's chasing this moose, and it's a big fucking bear, and he's chasing him around in a circle, and it looks like they're filming it from a helicopter, and the bear is just, this moose is hauling ass. See if you can find that, Jamie. The fucked up thing is, when bears catch you, they just eat you. They don't kill you first. Oh, they just start? They just start eating.

Just like they do a salmon. How they grab a salmon and just bite into it and pull it apart. They do that to your guts. See, that's where I'm really hoping that morphine thing from your brain is true. Yeah, me too. Can you imagine looking up and seeing your lower torso inside of the mouth

of a massive grizzly bear? I can imagine it. That's what's so scary. Did you ever see the movie Grizzly Man? No. How dare you? How dare you miss out on the greatest unintentional comedy in the history of the world? I'll watch it tonight. It's fucking great.

We were talking about this before the show, but people who are gay, who don't want to admit they're gay. Run. That's this guy. And he decided to go live with the grizzly bears to protect them in the forest. Oh, he got eaten. I am. I think I know this story.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's a Werner Herzog film. Okay. And I don't know if Werner Herzog was trying to make it funny. But, and, I mean, maybe it's just funny. No, it's funny. But it's funny to me because I have this crazy appreciation for wildlife and respect for it. There's part of me that, like Steve Rinell had a funny way of talking about this guy.

He goes, hey, say all you want about that guy. He goes, that guy was a hard camper. He goes, that guy did some hard fucking camping. He was out there for six months at a time. I'm like, yeah, got to give him respect. He really did live with the bears for six months at a time. But Werner Herzog, the way he filmed it, he filmed like the way he would have people talking about the guy. Like they go to a sheriff and the sheriff's like, I thought he was retarded.

Just really digging into that character and plot development. Yeah. I mean, it's just he shows you this guy's ex-girlfriend who's crazy, and they're talking about his life, and they interview one of his past roommates or some guy who knew him in L.A., and he's talking about how crazy he is and how he kind of made up a past for himself. And he was just like this really, he had like fake accents that he would use sometimes. He was just a really bizarre character who found his identity in taking care, air quotes, taking care of these bears that didn't need taking care of.

And he was going to protect these bears. And, you know, these bears just, they didn't give a fuck about him. Yeah, I don't think they wanted his protection. Oh, it was amazing. It's amazing. But anyway, the film of him getting eaten, he was filming bears, had the cover on the camera, but the audio ran.

And the audio ran for seven minutes. By the way, if you try to find that audio online, it's not there, but there's some fake audio online that people attribute to it. But if you listen to it with a discerning ear, you can tell those people

aren't really screaming. It's fake screaming. But it was seven minutes long of the bear eating him and his girlfriend. His girlfriend hit the bear. Oh, he ate his girlfriend too? Oh yeah long of the bear eating him and his girlfriend his girlfriend hit the bear ate his girlfriend Oh, yeah The bear was eating him and the girlfriend hit the bear in the head with a frying pan didn't do jack shit the bear

Tears her apart. You know I'm not gonna lie. I'm more surprised that he had a girlfriend wasn't really a girlfriend It was a girl. It was a friend thought she was a friend two worlds two words I've had friends that are gay that have wives and these poor wives they walk around looking like this all day long like this like like what the fuck's wrong how come this guy doesn't fuck me like oh man there's a lot of poor bastards out there that are just deep in the closet and they don't that's not cool i mean aren't we at that point now where you can just kind of do and be? I wish we were. I wish we were.

I know a couple guys that are deep, deep in. They don't even say it. When I talk to them, I talk to them in brief, brief chunks. Because I get this feeling from them where I'm talking to them where they just want to end the conversation before I go, hey, man, are you gay? So every conversation is like this really quick, really quick, really quick. Hey, good to see you. All right. Hey, take it easy, man.

See you next time. Hold on. Hey, before you go. Are you gay? Are you gay? It's just, it's a bummer, man. It's a bummer. Yeah. yeah i i mean to get to get to 2017 and not have that worked out seems to me to be a travesty the

the fact that people give a shit yeah why does anybody care what other choices that they make in their life well my theory has been there's two types of people that care about gay marriage and that is people who are really dumb or people that are secretly worried that dicks are delicious i can get behind that campaign that's my theory that was one of my old bits and i think that when you know there's a lot of it that people are afraid that other people are going to think they're gay a lot of it is people that grew up where they hear terrible things about gay people or prejudice people around them tell them crazy things about gay people they don't realize that gay people are just people that like guys that's it and there's other guys that like guys too and if everything was open they wouldn't feel so creepy they feel creepy because they have

to hide it and be secretive and always be yeah like it's forbidden or they're yeah so that's where the weirdness comes from but if you go to to Santa Monica Boulevard, there's this area of like three blocks in West Hollywood and Santa Monica Boulevard that I don't get out of my car. It's not worth it. You're just loading this scenario up. I'm already thinking in my head like I'm never going here. You ever go to one of those wild animal parks where you stay in your car and the monkeys jump on your car and rip your fucking windshield wipers off?

No. Yeah. They have those in New Jersey. What? I went. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The monkeys jump on your car and rip your fucking windshield wipers off? No. Yeah. They have those in New Jersey. What? I went. Yeah. Yeah, the monkeys jump on your car. I don't know if they have them anymore, but they used to.

We used to be there, and you'd have to agree that the monkey might fuck your car up. You could sign a waiver when you go in. Yeah, like don't go there with a Ferrari. Don't go there with a car that could get jacked because these monkeys might jack your car. But you would be around these animals, and you'd stay in your vehicle the entire time. They have come in with a car that could get jacked because these monkeys might jack your car, but you would be around these animals and you'd stay in your vehicle the entire time. They have one in China and it's a great story. Uh, about a year ago, this lady was in an argument with her boyfriend. She's like, fuck you. And she got out of the car and she went around the car and she was yelling at him and a fucking tiger came. You posted that video. I saw that. Yeah.

And just yanked her away and then the tiger and then someone else chased after her and apparently she lived but her mom died her mom was going out trying to save her yeah save her from the tiger and the tiger killed her mom this dumb bitch just thought she was she's like i have it in my head i'm gonna fucking say what i want and i'm gonna get out of this Fuck you. And she gets out of her car and she does it in a wild animal park filled with 800 pound tigers.

If you do stupid things you're going to win stupid prizes. It's amazing how quick the tiger seizes the opportunity though. I remember from that video she was only on the driver's side of the car for a few seconds so then it was lights out. Pull that up. Pull that up. It's a great video to watch.

It's one of my favorite videos of all time. It's just like, I don't want anybody to get killed by a tiger. I really don't. But I do want, if someone gets killed by a tiger doing something really fucking stupid, I do want everybody to watch that and go, hey. Don't do that. This ain't the Lion King, motherfucker. This shit's real.

Look it, here it is. Oh, God. She gets out of the car in the wildlife zoo. She gets out. Watch. Passenger side, backseat. Fuck you.

Just imagine the argument going on. Oh, it's front seat. I'm out of here. Yeah. She's like, I'm so tired of your bullshit. She runs around

on the other side. She's got to make one more point. And the guy's like, hey, will you just fucking relax, bitch? Just don't hit me. Don't hit me.

God damn it. Get back in your car. Get back. Jesus. God damn it. Just drags her car. Get back. Jesus. God damn it. Just drags her away. He runs out of the car. Oh, God.

And then the mom runs out, and that lady's dead. The third lady's dead. And as the rangers come out, they're going to try to save her. See, I think the move is close all doors, roll up windows. I think grabs are so quick. It's like, this is what I've wanted. I'm so tired of eating cold meat served on an aluminum tray. Fuck you.

Fuck you for keeping me here. I think, here's the thing, man. I think if they fed those tigers wild animals, they probably wouldn't do that. They probably wouldn't give a shit about that lady. But what they do is they give the tigers no animal reward. They have an animal reward system, right? The tiger's job is to clean up the population

Oh, there's one, there's a tiger flying through the fucking air Oh, are you kidding me? Yeah, ripped this guy's hand apart Just flew up to the top of an elephant Is he missing some fingers? Oh, yeah, yeah That's what I'm talking about Ripped his hand apart

Yeah, tigers don't play But if you let that tiger kill things Like if they let a bunch of axis deer lose, which is what tigers like to eat. It'll satiate that demand. Yeah. That would be what they look for. They would chase down the deer, eat them. They'd live like natural.

But so they have this overwhelming desire. It's like, here's a way to put it. If you, yeah, like if you were a guy, that's not a good way to put it if you yeah if like if you were a guy that's not a good way to put it i was gonna say if you're a guy and they extracted all the cum from your balls but they kept you horny but that one doesn't make sense that makes absolutely no sense i bailed on it right when i was like that's a bad analogy dude don't run with that one. But these animals, they get their appetite satisfied, but not their appetite to kill. They're born. You roll a yarn, roll a ball of yarn in front of a kitten, fucking cat dives on it.

Because that's what they're supposed to do. They're supposed to attack things. Even little fluffy little kittens, they have a built-in desire to attack things. I think that's why people are the way they are on social media. They don't have the release that the human body, soul, spirit, however you want to describe it, is designed to get somewhere else. And if all you get it from is a device through other people's pictures or selective posts, I think you go crazy inside. I think that is why I don't trust nearly every human being on the face of the planet.

It's just they're not – I don't think they get the chance to express who they want to be. I agree 100%. I agree 100%. And I think – I've been thinking a lot about this whole boss-employee sexual assault, sexual harassment thing that's been going on. Yeah, every day. And something else comes out of that. And it's always the same thing. It's always a man in power

and a woman who works for him and something goes down. And it's never the opposite. It's never chicks getting their pussy eaten by some dude who works in the office. It's never. There's a lot of women that are CEOs. Or it hasn't been reported yet.

Those guys can keep their mouth shut, right? Or the guy doesn't consider that to be harassment. It's not. Yeah, she lets you fuck her and she buys you a car? Damn, you got a Mustang. The fuck are you going to the New York Post for? Oh my God, that almost came out of my nose. But I think this is what I think.

I think that a lot of males, right right in a male in a position of power like the chief of the the village like that guy would probably have his choice he's the warlord he'd have this choice of women and the women would respond to him in a favorable way which would let him know it would indicate to him that it's time to fuck, right? This girl wants it. I'm going to give it to her. So when a guy is like some Harvey Weinstein guy or someone who's at the front of some giant company and everyone in the office kisses his ass when he's there and everyone's so happy to talk to him and people are angling for raises and they're angling for promotions and they're always nice to him and they treat him like royalty.

I think the guys start thinking that these girls are attracted to him, that he's going to fuck them. It's a power thing, but it's also like a trick on the reward system that the brain has. Then it's a scumbag thing too. There's like a lot of factors in there. I think it's a lot tied to the power side. I think it's a lot tied to the power side. I cannot think of an example of any occupation that doesn't have that problem somewhere near the apex. Right.

When a man gets in power. I think power, I think that as humans, we're only capable of dealing with so much fill in the blank when it comes to that, whether it's the money or the fame or people throwing themselves at you. I think at some point, depending on the moral compass that you have and how it's calibrated, it ends up swinging in the wrong direction because you can look at physicians, you could look at religion, you could look at people in the military, generals, and the number of sexual assault cases in the generals, like one to four-star generals in the U.S. in 2017 was insanely high.

To comedy, Bill Cosby, to, you know, just fill in the blank. You can find an example everywhere once you start getting to the apex. I think there's just a disconnect on how much, depending on who you are going into that position, I think there's a disconnect on how much you can handle. But Cosby was a really weird one because I've had this theory for a while that I think that during Cosby's era, the 1960s, I think it was not just common to drug women, but it was almost like a joke. fairly new and the consequences of Sexual assault weren't talked about and it wasn't thought about the same way And I think that though during that day like he used to joke around about it in his act I remember you saying that before yeah, he had Joe. Did they call the Spanish fly again? Yeah, and

He even had a sex Segment or a scene on the Cosby show where someone would give something to someone and would make them have sex with them. Or he would put them to sleep with something. Like he would joke around about it. And he joked around about it on talk shows and stuff. But I think that when you talk to someone who was around during the 1960s, they used to call it slipping someone a Mickey. Yeah, I've heard that term before. Yeah. I think they just, once like

quaaludes and shit started coming out, they started giving them to people, just slipping them to them. That's so fucked up. So fucked up. But it still happens, man. To this day, it still happens. You know, I had these girls on the podcast the other day, Corinne and Christina from the podcast Guys

We Fucked, and one of them was saying that she was hanging out with this guy and uh she had a drink and then all of a sudden she just couldn't fucking control herself and her friends like got her into a cab or something like that right yeah and rescued her you had your hands full with those two that was like they were crazy it seemed to me like you had like two wet cats in a paper bag when she was talking about a hat an anal uh and yeah an anal orgasm with a vibrator. I'm like, well, okay. Yes, yes.

Tell me more. No, I was listening to that at my house. I think folding laundry. I was in my head. I'm like, damn, you've got your hands full with those two. Those girls are crazy. But they're fun. It was an entertaining podcast for sure.

They're girls that talk publicly the way girls talk privately when they have a couple drinks in them. 100%. Yeah, and that's what's so attractive about their podcast. I wish I had their, I don't know what the term to use, bravery or whatever it is, to be that open and honest and like, just fuck it. Here I am, blank slate. Here's what I like. Here's what I don't like. Here's what I might like.

I don't know. Well, it's appealing, though, when someone does do it. You can tell. You're like, okay, this person is actually, they're being completely balls out honest. Yeah, with no repercussions or worries. 100%. So, like, say if they were an actress. Like, let's find some famous.

Who's a famous current actress? Give me, like, a hot. Who's a hot? Jennifer Lawrence. Yeah, but she's already had that scandal. She had that scandal where people got a hold of her pictures and, you know, was without her permission and shit like that.

Yeah, I'm out of my league on this one. Scarlett Johansson. Okay, let's say Scarlett Johansson. If Scarlett Johansson, if somebody like filmed her talking about how she had had an anal orgasm with a vibrator and how she likes having her boyfriend get his dick sucked in front of her. That would, and she didn't know that people were going to talk, like, it would be horrific.

She'd be like, oh my God. She'd like have to stay home for days. She'd have to pop Advils and sleep on the couch with a fucking blanket over her head. Like, you know what I mean? She'd be horrified. I can't believe that got out. This is so awful. Or she could go on and be like, yeah, you're goddamn right.

Yeah, but these girls just like blurt it out and then move on to the next thing. I like tacos. You know what I mean? It's like, it's just one thing after the other, but they're free, you know? And that's what people like. That's what people liked about Charlie Sheen until they found out he had AIDS. Yeah, that was an interesting development in that particular story. Yeah, everybody's like, oh, this story takes a fucking terrible turn.

Yeah, now I got to change the lenses out on the glasses that I view you through. Yeah, I thought you were winning. Yeah. I thought you had tiger blood. Just freaking winning at every turn. Yeah, I didn't realize you had the high five in the old tiger blood. Yeah, the high five that he got apparently is what started that whole thing off. What is insanity?

Yeah. I'm sure it is. Yeah. Well, it turns out that when he was diagnosed with HIV was right when he started going wild and talking about snorting and smoking eight grams of crack and that's how I roll and all that shit. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. And I'm sure when you start off bat shit crazy, it doesn't help. And that's your baseline. But you remember how people reacted to that though? They were like, yes, tell us what you're doing, Charlie. I mean, he did a goddamn tour of theaters and he didn't have anything to talk about. He would sit down and just be like, all right, so just got done smoking an eight ball. Well, he would tell stories, but they had to craft what the thing would be. See, what started out was he was just going to go on this theater tour,

and he's probably on coke. Yeah, we'll fucking talk to the people. They're going to love us. And he didn't know really what to do. So the first couple of shows were a total disaster. And then he started bringing comics in there with him. So, like, my friend Russell Peters did a bunch of them with him. So he would go up for a little bit, then they would go up?

No, the comic would kind of host the thing. Oh. So it was comic, and then Charlie, and they were sitting down talking. And this way you get to hear Charlie's wild stories and talking crazy shit. But the comic would frame it all with some actual comedy and a comedic reaction to this maniac. So they keep it on the rails. Yeah. And Russell's a great comic,

and he's particularly great at talking shit and ad-libbing. Russell's a great... He does a lot of crowd work in his act, so he's super fast and smooth. Did you say Russell Brand? Russell Peters. Okay, I think you said Russell Brand, who was another guy you had your absolute hands full with

on the podcast. Yeah, he's a character. Don't give that guy coffee. Yeah, he had a lot of coffee. Well, he's a drug-free character. Drug-free, sort of. Yeah. Now, now drug-free.

That guy did enough drugs to kill all three of us in this room. Probably. Yeah. But he lived. Yeah, God bless him. Now he's got a story to tell. Yeah, but he's another guy. He's pretty free, you know, even like with who he is now. Probably. Yeah. But he lived. Yeah, God bless him. Now he's got a story to tell. Yeah, but he's another guy.

He's pretty free, you know, even like with who he is now. He's free. And he's, I cannot believe the transparency. Like I said, I don't have, I don't have the,

the courage to just be like, boom, here it is. Let's just unzip the fly and lay it out and here we are, people. You might though. You just don't try. I bet you did.

I try. I try. My rule, like so for the podcast't try. I bet you did. I try. I try. Like so for the podcast, my rule is I just try to be honest. That's all I try to do is just be honest and portray myself as I am and say the things that I actually believe and not try to add 1% to it. But there's still some people who were to ask me some questions, I'd be like, yeah, that's for another day. I'm not going to answer every single question. Well, also, especially if it comes to like military shit, there's stuff you can answer.

Well, then you just make stuff up. Oh, is that what you do? Pretty much. There's a lot of that going on, right? There's a ton of it going on, which is why I, most of the time I try to dispel misconceptions. The reality is, no, there's really nothing that I've ever done that you can't talk about. Is there any books or anything that's ever come out where you knew one story and then you saw it come out and you're like, hmm. I have gone to the bookstore and read books written by an individual who said they were on a combat operation that I was on and don't remember seeing them there.

Hmm. It's problematic. Yeah, that seems like seeing them there. It's problematic. Yeah, that seems like a real issue. It's a huge issue. I would say 99.9% of books that have a trident on them should be purchased and then put next to your toilet paper roll. So when you run out of toilet paper, you can just start ripping pages out of the books and wipe your ass with that. Is that just showing that symbol? It's the symbol that is associated with being a SEAL. It's, you know, you get, when you get that symbol, they change your designator inside

of the Navy system and it registers as a 5326. Right. But why do you think you think like them using that trident? Because it's recognizable. So they're doing it because they're bullshit artists. They're doing it. Um, I can't say exactly why they're doing it. I know some people are doing it. I can't say exactly why they're doing it. I know some people

are doing it purely to make money. Some people got out a little bit early and have used the recognizability of that mark to further their own motives down the road and are purely 100% profit seeking. Other people are, they're trying to tell, I guess would be their story or their version of a story and that would be the people in the middle and then i guess on the other end the best example i put uh point people out is generally jaco's book it's not a book about hey no shit there i was which is the number one indicator of a story that's completely false as oh hey there there we were like no you're done why is that people want to romanticize and embellish the reality of of what actually happened and i don't know if it's the desire to make it seem

like it's more than it was i don't know if it's because most of the time when you're coming from a military background you don't you're not you're not used to any level of people really i don't i would call it fanship, I guess. You know what I mean? Right. The military and being in the military is not about money. You can pull up online and see exactly how much every individual in the military is making based off what rank they are and how many years they've been in. So people will be approached and like, look, this is how much money you could make if you wrote a book.

And they're like, holy shit. And so they will. And they'll make millions of dollars. The problem is, is if you start embellishing those stories, in my mind, at least, it starts tarnishing the reality of what the occupation actually is and the good and sometimes amazing things that happen lose a lot of their value in my mind. And I just think it's an enticement that guys are not used to inside of the military. It's very, when I was in the military, I mean, I feel like I was talking to Jamie before we started. I feel like I'm late to everything. I'm late to social media. I'm late to, I had never listened to a podcast before I sat down and met you with Tate. Really? I had never listened to one. I had no idea. I had no idea the diversity of information that is out there and you can go and and i mean

you can almost get like a uh an advanced degree and whatever it is you want to get by just going i had no idea i'd never listened to one because i was so focused on something else and then you lift your head up from that world and you're like what the fuck is going on around here and you you know if you post the right pictures on social media of you and your outfit with your thousand yard stare off to the distance, then you get more followers. And then people are like, Oh, come and speak. And it's like, and it just, it's an enticing thing to individuals, in my opinion, that are just not used to that. And it can really, it can really, I think it can take you down a path that I would recommend most people don't take,

which is why I like the way Jocko when as he has experiences but he's trying to take those experiences and portray them in a way that people can make use of them it's not about the story it's about what he learned during the story and how you can implement that in your life yeah so there's a broad spectrum of everything from literally rip off pages and wipe your ass to recommend to anybody that I encounter that asks about it. I think Jocko's new book is fantastic. And it's so short.

It's like it's an easy read. That's what makes it so fantastic. That book could change your life. Yeah. Because those quotes are from a real inspirational guy. Yep. He's really doing it. He's not trying to really be – I would say he's not trying to be inspirational.

He wrote down and committed to paper the principles that he uses to live his life. Yeah. His passion and his enthusiasm for getting up at 4.30 in the morning and working out are unprecedented. For like a week, I was getting up a few minutes before him and I would just post on Twitter, like, up before Jocko, hashtag don't be lazy. And then I got fucking tired and I had to stop doing it. Don't do that. He'll get up earlier. He will.

But of course he was liking him. I was like, God damn it. I'm trying to elicit a response out of you, Jocko. He thinks it's funny. He absolutely. I mean, because people, I mean, ask, they will still ask me, or I think I'll still ask him if we know each other. And I've known him forever. And they're like, don't, you can't, you can't call out Jocko like that.

I'm like, I think it's okay. I think it's's gonna be all right if I make fun of Jocko on Twitter it's gonna be all right yeah he's got a good sense of humor yeah well especially if you know the guy yeah you know he's not gonna get pissed about it but his followers like there's no funny man just because you're a little intense just because you're up at 429 like hey man if you want to be a lazy bitch go ahead and then I have to stop myself that's as far as I can go on Twitter because I will lose my mind and I don't want to be that person. Yeah, you can't respond to too many people. You have like a minimum or a maximum requirement per day.

Just give yourself like a threshold. I've looked at three different comments. I'm out. I don't understand how you could possibly keep track or even tabs. I mean, your numbers are astronomical. No, I don't keep track or even tabs i mean your numbers are astronomical no i don't keep track occasionally i'll dip my toe into the water of social media but for the most part i don't it's got to be like an abstract painting rolling by at like 60 miles an hour you can probably just catch one or two things that comes by well also between working out writing comedy doing stand-up being with my

family archery anything else i'm doing at the time i don't have the fucking time podcasts yeah ufc duties whatever i have to do with the ufc i don't have the time it doesn't exist so yeah you're tapped out yeah so i i do what i can i post stuff and then i get out of there and plus i don't the the turmoil that i don't want to like you can't engage like what's that? That if you what's that if you respond to every barking dog you never get where you're going Maybe that you ever heard that it sounds good. I'm with you I think I paraphrased it, but that's the idea behind this like there's no way you don't have the time and I have friends

That have less followers who will go like my friend Owen Benjamin, he's fucking crazy. He'll have Twitter fights all day long. And I told him the other day, I'm like, bro, you've got to stop engaging. You've got to stop doing this. This is not healthy. It seems like it would entice people. Once they recognize that you engage, it would entice them to hit you up more. Exactly.

And then your time is, you're done. Yeah. And then they'll try to piss you off. And then you go back and forth with them. Oh, well, fuck you. And the next thing you know, you're up at 3 o'clock in the morning checking your Twitter. It's just exhausted the rest of the day. Just compliment people.

When they say mean things, just write back, I think you're an amazing human being. Heart emoticon send. Thanks, sweetie. Because they don't know how to take that. How long do you think you're going to last in the winter? To be honest. Do you think you're going to wind up keeping a place in San Diego and just coming back here in November? No, I have really not thought about San Diego since the day that we left Wait until you get snowed in

I have good cold weather stuff Do you have a truck? I do have a truck What kind? I have an F-150 Nice Slightly modified though Jacked?

It jacked up a little lift it's it came lifted 35s big tires 750 horsepower mud and snow tires probably 750 horsepower yeah jesus christ what the fuck do you have in the hood uh shelby supercharger oh you went you went deep it came that way my wife was so pissed at me because I went in with my other F-150 to get an oil change, and I technically did get an oil change because I came home with this truck, and she walked outside, and she was just like, God damn it. But a lot of those, like, super sport performance trucks, they have street tires on them. Mine have massive knobby tires.

Yeah. I literally went in. I got very fortunate, and I got a great deal on a Ford on like a pseudo endorsement sponsorship thing earlier. So I had a bunch of equity in my truck. I literally went in to get an oil change, and right next to me in the spot was this Ford F-150 Black Ops model by Tuscany. black ops model like the tuscan by tuscany so i park and i get out of my truck which i usually feel good and i'm looking up at this other truck and now i immediately feel like a bitch and i'm just and i so i climbed up on the wheel and i'm just reading the sticker because i couldn't read it from the ground i'm just looking at it like all right well that price is totally outside of my range and i go inside and of, a salesman happened to see me.

And he comes over to the service side. And I'm giving the guy my keys. And he's like, what do you think about that truck? I think that thing's awesome, man. He's like, well, let's just run the numbers. I'm like, okay. Four hours later, I'm going home in the new truck. Four hours?

It took you four hours in the dealership? Your wife's calling up. Where the fuck are you? Well, she does that because it's not the first time it's happened. Oh, you've done that before? I tried to buy her a car one time. I told her I was taking her minivan in. Honda Odyssey, best urban assault vehicle ever.

Dual open doors. You could just take down a compound in that thing. Yeah, as long as you have blacked out windows, they don't see you coming, right? Get some rocket launchers on top of that bitch and just roll. So I was like, hey, honey, I'm going to take your car in and get get an oil change i was getting her a tahoe and like three hours in she starts calling what are you doing like oh they found a leak in your flux capacitor it's gonna be a few more minutes shit about cars but the future yeah and uh so i come home and she's like oh i like that car it's the wrong color in the different seats and i'm like god damn it so she went back and picked out

her own so after a couple hours the dealership i think she realized something was up and yeah i got in trouble for that yeah i saw a video where they were comparing that shelby supercharged f-150 to the raptor they were trying to figure out which one was better i don't know but i think that truck is ready to go for the winter time it's got some big old tires uh and entirely too much torque and power for me yeah it's probably break a little bit loose yeah i'll break loose locking differentials and all that jazz i don't even know what that means um locking differentials means you can like you have an arb locking differential and what you can do is you set it so that all wheels will always spin together no matter what so it locks together so if you're if you're in a place where one wheel is spinning,

it doesn't work that way. All wheels spin together. And it's not good for driving down the road, but it's good for getting you out of places and for traversing very difficult terrain. It might have that. I might have fucked that up. But locking differentials, it's a must on any sort of off-road vehicle.

I never plan to take it off-road. Even though I think it's designed for the zombie apocalypse, I try to baby that thing and just park it in the garage. Yeah, but what if you have to? What if you have to go into the forest to get your elk? What if you're packing out? Call somebody else. Get to a trail, some sort of a logging trail. Call somebody else. Bring their a trail, some sort of a logging trail. Call somebody else.

Come bring their truck. Come on, man. I don't think you can use the roads in Montana. No, I was actually thinking about that. You've got to get a winch. I know. I don't even know what I'd use it for, but I feel like I would be more prepared for life in general with a winch on my truck. That Bronco has a winch.

That Bronco doesn't suck. That thing's badass. I'm just never going to use that winch. They were telling me how the winch works. yeah i'm fucking never but you think of the confidence that you have get climbing into it you're like yeah i got a winch i got a winch nothing can stop me what the fuck's gonna stop me nothing winch yeah you could pull something out of a ditch that's like a man thing like men want equipment they're never gonna use like i should always have a chainsaw just in case 100 you%. You live in a fucking apartment in New York City.

Why do you have a chainsaw? Never know. Might have to cut down the door. Shit goes wrong. Shit goes sideways. Yeah. Trees start growing everywhere. But we're ready for winter, man.

We got the ski passes ready to go. I can see world-class skiing from my son's bedroom. What mountain? We live just south of Whitefish. So in Whitefish, the mountain is called Big Mountain. It's not Big Sky. Most people confuse it too. Big Sky is in Bozeman. I think you said you had been to Big Sky

before. I've been to Bozeman. So Bozeman has Big Sky. Big Sky is like right outside of Bozeman. Just south of it. Correct. And Whitefish is just north of where we live in Kalispell and Big Mountain is, it should be open in four days. We went to Bozeman and we were there when they have this this grizzly sanctuary We took a ride to Yellowstone and we stopped at the grizzly sanctuary and they have this fucking bears. They're so big

They don't even look like they're real and they throw them frozen watermelons And that's what they're eating. Yeah a whole frozen watermelon So they throw this frozen because it was hot out. Yeah, a whole frozen watermelon. So they throw this frozen, because it was hot out when we went in the summer. Okay. And the bear just, this giant block of ice, you know, that's what it is. It's a huge beach ball of ice.

That's like a 20 pounder. Yeah, and the bear just opens his mouth and crushes it with one bite. It cuts through the frozen watermelon like it's nothing. It's so sobering when you watch a bear lying on the water right he was in the water like lying on his back holding this frozen watermelon in his paws and just chomping on it and eating it it's not a disney movie no it ain't a disney movie bitch my my brother-in-law, who has never hunted before, has purchased a Redworks one. Nice.

Already has. Hoyt. He already has got the Hoyt. He's already got a silverback sitting in his house. He's already got an Elevate Rest, and his bow comes in in like two weeks, and he was trying to explain. I had dinner with him last night, and he's trying to explain to his son and his daughter, like, it's not Bambi that I'm going to go hunting with. And they're just like, no, daddy. It's Bambi's cunty uncle.

No, daddy, you can't get, but it's funny. Even my kids were like, why would you kill a bear, dad? Or why would you kill a deer? Why would you kill an elk? Well. To eat it. 100%. Yeah.

Well. To eat it. A hundred percent. Yeah. It's, it's interesting though, how people in my limited, super limited experience into the hunting world are very entrenched and dug in. It's either no, these animals, like these, this is Bambi. How could you do that? Or they have an understanding of what's going on and like, oh, okay.

I have a friend who's a hardcore vegan and he's kind of an asshole about it, but he's got dogs and he feeds them dog food and he buys dog food from the dog food store and it's got animals chopped up ground up stuffed into these bags and he's good with that and i'm like you're a hypocrite i'm like you're a fucking hypocrite you really are he's like well the dogs are carnivores we're not i go no you choose to not be a carnivore you choose to be an herbivore okay but most humans are omnivores. I was going to say. That's how we evolved. We evolved to eat a wide variety of foods. And this thing that you're doing is just, you're standing out. And he's

an asshole. He's a nice guy. But he's an asshole. And he's always been like a really negative guy. Like he's nice to me. But he's nice to his friends. But he's always had this propensity for negativity. Pessimistic attitude towards the world. He's shitty to people. Successful as a humanistic attitude towards shitty to people yeah be successful as a human being but shitty to people like for whatever weird reason just has this

aggressive attitude and now he uses it against against people that are involved in hunting and he gets off on it he thinks it's fun you know it's just it's a weird thing that you can sort of justify the torturing and killing of these animals to feed your dogs. But when someone wants to go out and hunt an animal to eat it, like, I get all the people that are pissed off that people go out and hunt lions and don't eat them and hunt elephants and don't eat them. Giraffes and stuff, yeah. I'm with you 100%. But here's the thing. That's not eating deer. That's not hunting buffalo or bison and

eating bison. That's not hunting and eating things. We're talking about two totally different things. And then when you get to like the lions and the elephants, there's a real problem. And the real problem is that there's not enough money in conservation to ensure the safety of these animals unless these animals are valuable. And the most valuable way that you can present these animals, this is fucked up, but it is as hunting targets. And I'm not saying this is the only way to do it, and I think it's not. But Africa is a crazy place, and the best documentary about it is Louis Theroux, who's a British documentarian, did this trip where he went to one of those high-fence hunting camps in Africa. You know those things?

I've never – I've been to Africa. I was in Kenya, but I've never been around any of them. But you weren't hunting people, were you? I was actually there building schools. Oh. Well, look at you. I'm a humanitarian, Joe. You're a sweetie.

At heart. I am a sweetie. But Louis Theroux's documentary, Louis Theroux, his documentary is amazing. Because you kind of get the sense of what it's all about. Like these animals, a lot of them were going extinct just a couple of decades ago. Because there's massive poverty all throughout Africa. Yeah. And there's no money.

And they figured out that if you take these animals, protect them, put them inside a fenced area. And you're talking about these enormous like 10,000 acre reserves, preserves. And then people fly in to hunt them on a daily basis. They get a tremendous amount of money. So then these animals, their populations are booming. They're higher than they've ever been. And the animals are protected. They're higher than they've ever been. And the animals are protected. They're no longer in any danger of being extinct.

But a lot of people are super uncomfortable with the circumstances. I get that too. I'm in the same boat as you. Like to me, I don't like hunting a giraffe, not into it personally. I'm not going to make a character judgment against somebody who is or the the elephant or whatever animal you may go to call it trophy hunting like i i don't know enough about it i would assume and hope that the situation is exactly like you described where the people who live in the area are managing and monitoring the species and making sure it's good to go and if they're doing that i have no issue

with it and in the same breath i totally understand why it's uh very off off-putting individual who sees a picture of that and just loses their shit. Yeah, I completely get the elephant thing in particular. Elephants, to me, are this kind of majestic, sweet animal. But the reality of people living in Africa is different. People that live in Africa, elephants destroy their crops, trample them. I mean, it really becomes a big issue if elephants move into areas where they're farming yeah and they have to do something about it and sometimes they'll they'll have to hire hunters or have someone come in and do it and then once someone does shoot one

of those elephants the amount of people that come in have you ever seen what i think you posted a picture yeah or it was either you or cam posted a picture of i think it was an elephant and it was a line of people outside of the border of the picture. I'm assuming they were waiting to come and get their share of the meat or whatever it was from that animal. Yeah, I mean, these are people that have a really hard time getting meat, and elephant meat, as gross as it sounds to people listening to this, is supposed to be unbelievably delicious. If you were raised on it, I mean, yeah. It's supposed to taste really good.

I'm not saying you should go out and get an elephant burger folks but i'm just saying please don't actually this whole thing is it's very complicated and you could say well these people shouldn't be uh raising crops where the elephants live the problem is this is not like any other thing like it's not like an encroachment issue like these people are living in a fucking village in africa i mean this is like literally where humans evolved so this is this is a real situation of humans in a very small tribal situation encountering elephants that just decide that hey i'm an elephant i'm fucking 10 000 pounds i'm just gonna eat your food bitch and you're gonna do shit and these people don't know what to do about it there's a lot of that.

And that's the other thing. People say, well, elephants are going extinct. Yes and no. In some places of the world. You go to Iowa, there's no elephants, right? Montana as well. They're extinct. No elephants.

But there's parts of Africa that have a lot of elephants, and they actually have to control the populations. And it's the same thing with deer. People in California will tell you, hey, you shouldn't shoot a deer. You talk to people in Iowa and you're like, please, you got to shoot these deer. My wife wrecked her fucking car. She's in the hospital. Same thing in Montana. There's deer on the side of the road.

Everywhere. Everywhere. Everywhere. And you can see fur on the bumper. Bumper is in. Windshield smashed. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to put two and two together yeah it's a very advanced degree i love how people in montana have those fucking

road warrior grills oh i got one you got bring it come on deer apparently if you hit a deer in montana you can call the fish and game let them know it happened throw it in the trunk yeah i like that that's good because then you you get to keep the meat the meat doesn't just go to waste i like that as long as you're not driving around looking for a deer well that's what someone said but the problem with that is the odds of you hitting a deer on purpose are like fucking zero i know but if you try to avoid them it's a pretty high percentage i've almost hit a few like i don't want to hit a deer in this truck oh my god yeah i remember i was coming home once i I had a gig in upstate New York and I was driving down to where I lived in New Rochelle and I hit this one patch that had so many deer. I had to drive

like 20 miles an hour on the highway. It was fucking insane. They probably wouldn't even get out of the way. They were just darting in front of the road, like left and right, left and right. And I'm talking like an infestation. It was crazy. And this is what happens when there's no predators and no hunters. And, you know, you don't want wolves in your backyard, people, once you live in Montana. Kind of cool. I would still take a strong pass on wolves in the backyard. Yeah.

I would like to see them. When I was up there, this lady who lived up there was talking to us and she said, she lives in this canyon and they had wolves come through a couple nights before and I said,

what is that like? She goes, well, it's two things. She's like, it's beautiful and you also, you have to be cautious. She's also,

it's this thing where you're like, I really love that they're there and I love looking at them but I want them to go away. I love looking at them from the safety and security of the inside of my house. Yeah. She's like, well, people get a little nervous about their livestock and definitely their pets.

I go, their pets? She's like, yes, that's number one. They will kill dogs real quick. I bet it sounds amazing, though, to hear a pack of wolves in the wild. I have no experience with that. It's got to be, I had never heard an elk bugle until September. Oh wow. And I also thought that they, after I heard them bugling, I assumed that they did that all year round. I just thought, okay, elk communicate by bugling. I had no idea that for basically a month you can hear them communicating like that. And then they zip

it and start working together as a little, probably a herd yeah i had no idea and i was in a valley when i was in the middle of my other than optimal hunting experience and just surrounded by view it was we couldn't have had this conversation at this volume because it was so i'm like you got to be shitting me. There's a film that's coming out Friday. Me and Cam went to Utah and we're hunting elk in Utah. And there's one scene in it where we just, every now and then if you go elk hunting, especially this one place in Utah is this enormous ranch. It's a private ranch and it's 240,000 acres. Where were you in relationship to Salt Lake City?

Couple hours. In which direction? A couple hours drive. I wasn't paying attention. Jed was driving. You don't know nor southeast west. I was looking at my phone. So it was in Utah.

Got it. I wasn't even looking. There you go. We're in Utah. Get off Twitter, Joe. God damn it. I had to do email. I was behind.

So anyway, there's this one part of the film where we're in there, and you literally, you might hear a hundred bugles around us. It's like, screaming left and right. And you know the audio, even if you were in an IMAX theater, would not do it justice. No. I couldn't believe it.

The one thing I know I don't have enough of is interactions around animals to understand behavior and patterns and what to expect. But I mean, and that day was a reinforcement of that. I was sitting there. My jaw was on the floor. I could not believe what it sounded like. It's like a like a mystical animal. Like the sound it makes.

It's almost like a Lord of the Rings character. And when you watch him do it, too, just like, ah. We watched this one elk fuck this cow elk. And it's crazy the way they do it. The way they do it is like a Brock Lesnar double leg takedown. Like he got on top of her from behind and then boom, he hits her one time and just shoves her forward. And she collapses on her front legs and he kind of like wobbles off of her. But he's a one pump chump maybe that's what they're

into that's what they're into yeah one bang get it done move on to the next and he's doing it all day long and for a month yeah draining himself they lose like 30 40 pounds oh do they really probably more yeah i bet them well i'm saying 30 40 pounds pounds, but they're, you know, seven, 800 pound animal. I bet they lose a lot more than that. They get real skinny. They stop eating. They just fuck like crazy for two months. Unbelievable animal, but probably the most majestic animal that I've ever been around. I cannot wait until next September. Yeah. There's a real controversy in Montana about wolves because the wolves that are in Montana right now have been reintroduced from Canada. They captured them from Canada and then reintroduced them to the Yellowstone area. And

there's a really interesting video about it called the wolves change and the wolves changing rivers. I think it's called, it's like a short film. It's a short film. I think it's called How Wolves Change the River. And it all just talks about how the introduction of the wolves changed the way the river flowed because, is this it? You got it right. How wolves change rivers. Yeah. It's pretty badass because it shows the need for predators. for predators. It shows that you can't just have this overabundance of wildlife

like undulates, cows and elk and things because they eat all the grass. And when they eat all the grass, the trees never grow a strong root system. So there's a lot of things happen like erosion. It turns the ecosystem on its head. Yeah. And some birds don't survive. And

there's like songbirds have been spotted in like really high numbers in in yellowstone now there's a bunch of stuff they documented a lot of it is because the wolves chased down the elk and made the elk and it decimated the elk population like knocked it down to like half but in the process made those elk like just a little bit more wary a little smarter still a healthy population. But that's kind of how it's supposed to be. It's not supposed to be – like these hunters that lived there, they got super spoiled because they were used to seeing hundreds of elk.

Yeah, they'd roll out of bed like – Yeah. Slide open the door and get the laser range finder out and – Yeah. Well, especially if you're a rifle hunter, which a lot of them are. There's way more rifle hunters than bow hunters. I can't get behind that i can't get behind rifle i mean no i can't you need meat it's the way i get it i'm saying meat myself personally it has no draw or interest whatsoever yeah bow hunting on the other hand now now we're talking what's

the difference to you one i absolutely suck at and the other one i generally can hit what i'm aiming at and it's easier with the rifle like wind is the perfect example you take a shot with a rifle in high wind the wind when you're thinking of rifle is from the ballistic effect of the round you know left or right and the temperature and all that stuff wind with a bow you're crawling on your belly and you're being a ninja and then it's like animals gone like god yeah completely different ball game you could sit with a rifle with a cooler and a bowl of chili and get an elk well you know another thing that gets me with rifles and i don't think you should make it any more difficult.

That's not my point. I think the most effective and efficient and ethical way you should kill an animal should be the way you do it. But there's these pods that people have, these tripods that they set up. It's a tripod with a bench. It's essentially got like a mobile rifle bench sitting there. So it's got a sled, you know, like a lead sled attached to the top of the bench. You can just bring your finger in from the outside and just bring it back. And it doesn't move at all.

No. You don't even have to have it in your shoulder. You lock it in place. You screw it down so you have it at the perfect angle. You set it on the vitals and you just squeeze it off and boom. And the bullet goes exactly where you want it. In that setup, you could actually not even have it shouldered. You could go sit in a chair to the side of it and just...

Oh, yeah. People do it all the time. Yeah. To be clear, I support hunting whether you want it... However you want to do it. I'm a full fan. For me personally, I just can't get into rifle hunting. It's too easy.

If you put an elk anywhere from 0 to 1,500 yards in front of me, it's game over, son. Right. Well, you're an expert marksman though i mean i would say i'm a marksman i don't know if i would add expert to it but i can sometimes hit things at distance humble i miss sometimes i got some good miss stories but when you see an animal and you're hunting with a bow so the thing is the difficulty and the challenge and the connection to the animal is way more intense because you're trying to get inside of 40 yards. The whole thing to me is it's not a matter of how much I feel like I can do right.

It's a matter of how few things I can mess up. And I love fighting against the odds like that. of having to worry about not only cover and concealment and you know high ground versus low ground but shadows and light and moving and noise inside of that moving and monitoring the wind and then the fact that the animal might just want to go take a piss and you're screwed you get the best stock in the woods i gotta take a whiz i love i love the challenge of it and i suck at it so i i just it is a draw to me that and my wife is already shaking her head at me. She's like, God damn it, you're going hunting again? I'm like, yeah.

So I think for some people, the issue that they have is that they think that killing an animal should not be this pleasurable challenge. That it should be, if you are going to eat animals, you should be shooting them in the head with a high-powered rifle where you can't miss, and they die instantaneously, and there's no suffering. If only that situation actually existed. Well, it can. If you shoot them from five yards. Well, you know. I've missed some big targets with a rifle from pretty damn close.

How close? Seven feet. Hey, man, when you're running through a hallway, it's tough sometimes. Well, that's a different animal. It's a different animal both figuratively and literally. I missed. You know, there is no 100% solution. That's true.

I get it. Right, but if an animal doesn't know you're there and you're setting up and it's a 100-yard shot and you have a 300 wind mag or something like that. And you don't even need to get to 100 yards, realistically. You can be at 300 or 500 or whatever you feel comfortable shooting at. If you want meat, though, it's the way to go. But also, why not enjoy the experience? I don't think there's anything wrong with... To me, it's a challenge.

And more than a challenge, whatever, it sounds gay, but it's a journey. I enjoy... Why does that sound gay? I don't know, just... Journeys are gay it depends i guess on the type of journey how do you feel about the lord of the rings that was a journey it was a that was a journey i watched all those movies what about the books i don't didn't read the books i want to go to new zealand and jump off the cliffs in that movie oh

my god uh but the the journey is like why not enjoy it? Enjoy. I enjoy the struggle. I enjoy that it's hard to hit what you're aiming at with a bow and exponentially more so that every time you add a yard to the distance, I enjoy that the animals are, they have instincts that are amazing and that you cannot defeat their nose and that you can't control the, I enjoy all of that. That to me is, I think, and I'm enjoying that experience. And then I, again, this is my first bow hunting season. I started bow hunting in late August. So I have almost no experience under my belt, but I, I do enjoy that the final aspect of that as well too, and getting into position and being able to perform in that moment. I don't think there's anything wrong with enjoying killing an animal

that you're doing so respectfully. And like my freezer right now, my house, my goal is to never go to the grocery store and buy meat again for the entire year. And I think our freezer is full enough to do that. My kids love it. I've made, I got maple elk sausage. I got Italian elk sausage. I got bratwurst.

I got steaks. I got roast. Like we're not going to the grocery store. That to me, like so why not enjoy that whole process, that whole story arc, doing it ethically and enjoying the journey along the way. No, I agree with you, but I just wanted to hear you spell it out because that's the issue that a lot of people that are sort of in the animal rights activist side of things, one of the things that they would have an issue with is the enjoyment part of it. I can't help it if some people are pussies. It's just the challenge of doing things that are hard is enjoyable. And succeeding at things that are difficult to do is also enjoyable.

Yeah, why can't you be happy about winning? Why can't you be happy about accepting a challenge willingly and nobody's forcing you into it? And when you're successful, you're not only happy with that success, but you're happy with every step along the way. I don't see any problem with that. Well, because they're Bernie Sanders supporters. I'm not qualified to talk on that topic. I'm just kidding.

People are like, oh, this is fucking with you right up until that point, Sam. I fucking love Bernie. All right, relax. We're joking around here, that point, Sam. I fucking love Bernie. Relax. We're joking around here, folks. Yeah. I love it, man. Even if you're not a hunter, I mean, if someone doesn't want to hunt, I think take prolonged trips to the wilderness. I think it's fucking great for you.

I think I started doing it in 2012, and it's changed my life. It really has. I wholeheartedly agree. I'm dead serious when I say I don't think you figure out who you are until you get into those environments. Wholeheartedly agree. I was dead serious when I say I don't think you figure out who you are until you get into those environments. I have taken a sounding on the depth of who I am as a human being in the worst, most physically arduous moments of my life. And I and I wish that more people would willingly go to that point. would it changes my perspective for sure it changes my appreciation for things nothing will make you appreciate the little things in your life more than nearly dying and having you know and like oh wow like i have all of these things that i wasn't paying attention to well people don't know people who didn't listen to your earlier podcast don't know your story so tell tell people

what happened when you almost died on the jumping side? No, let's go to the military first and then we'll go to the jumping side. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if I necessarily... Because it seems like to me you might be supplementing your need for danger with this jumping thing. We need to talk about how you describe me as a psychopath every time you ever...

I know this fucking crazy dude. Dude, you're crazy. I am the sanest person that I know. And I texted you that once and you responded. You think I'm crazier than you? No, I said I think I'm the, yeah. What? Yeah, because.

How? Like, well, for one, you willingly used to enter into fights and you have said before that you would have gone into the octagon at an earlier age. To me, that's insane. It's just for whatever reason, like going in there and just willingly going and just getting into a fist fight with somebody. How much martial arts experience do you have exactly zero yeah that's martial arts a lot like bow hunting how much you got into base jumping experience do you have fucking zero exactly i want to take a dirt nap with zero on the ledger look at that fucking

look at that suit god damn that earth looks round weird suit. Damn, that Earth looks round. Weird. Fish eye lens, Joe. Fish eye lens. What I've been able to determine from my jumping is that, yes, people, the world is round. You saw it from the sky? You could tell? Are you sure? When I jump from pretty high, you can see a little curve. Here's something that someone pointed out that's a really good point.

I want to reiterate it. I retweeted it. You could look at the moon with the telescope i was going to go to the same place because i read that yeah clearly right folks okay try to look and find mount everest with a telescope and then explain why you can't yeah you can't because it's on the other side of the fucking planet you dummies crazy people it's so sad to me it is people love mysteries though they love things that are hidden like hidden hidden information anyway that's why

the seal books right there you answered why people will buy because of that goddamn symbol they look at they're like oh i want to know the secret of course yeah it's yeah and there is no secret that's what i and that's the point i want make. I want to get to that, definitely. How did I almost die? The martial art thing, I think, is a lot like the bow hunting thing in that it's very, very difficult. And once you start doing it, you get better at it, and then you get addicted to it.

And it's not crazy people. I'm not even talking about actual competing and fighting, but just training. Because when you're training, you're competing. When you go onto the mats, you train, you're trying to improve yourself, but you're also trying to tap someone who's trying to tap you, and you're both going at it. And when you do it and you get better at it and you get better at it,

you develop this kind of understanding of what it is, and it becomes this very addictive thing. Guys are addicted hard to jujitsu. Well, is it possible to master? Or is it a never-ending evolution? Well, you'd be a master in comparison to someone who doesn't know what the fuck they're doing. But you will definitely. Physically, the only problem is your body starts to break down.

As you get into your older ages, like most guys that I know that are in their 40s and for sure in their 50s. Like I was in Hawaii recently with Ed O'Neill, who's a black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. A lot of people don't know. Big Ed O'Neill from Married with Children and Modern Family. That guy, he's a beast. Seriously? Yes. The dad? Uh-huh.

Legit black belt in Jiu-Jitsu. Under the Gracies. Yeah. Would have never guessed that in a million years. Would have never guessed it. So many fucks with him. They're getting thrown in their head and choked unconscious. But he was telling me.

I would like to see this. He was telling me. There he is right there. Ed O'Neill. Black belt. Training with Horry and Gracie. Look at that. What's the average journey to a black belt years-wise?

I'd say 10. 10 is average. And that's grinding? Like getting after it? Yeah. Not Thursday every other week. Yeah. But some people get there quicker than 10.

You know, BJ Penn got his in three. I was a brown belt for eight years. Eight years as a brown belt. I like your style, Joe. I was fucking off. You and I could train together. I was training like twice a week and, you know, trying to have a career. like twice a week and you know trying to have a career but you know um for for the people that really get into it they really get obsessed with it it becomes just as addictive as archery bow

hunting anything else it's i and i think what we're talking about earlier when we're talking about people being um angry and like on social media because they're not getting those natural rewards and the natural struggle of life and their life is very muted in that regard. Or no struggle. Yeah, or no struggle. I think that's one of the reasons why jujitsu is so appealing to people. And even though you get injured in jujitsu, but most of the injuries like I tweaked my back or I fucked up my elbow or my knee got screwed up. It's not like brain injuries.

The brain injuries were the ones that were the most disturbing to me because i was i was recognizing at like 21 that i was having some issues you were talking about this recently about just the headaches laying in bed i have and i know a lot of guys from previous career who are suffering from or discovering or the the military is doing research into the causes of the the injury issue, it's not awesome to read your future when you get diagnosed with that. And like, okay, so what does it look like when I'm 60? What does it look like when I'm 70? Like, that's not good at all.

Those aren't good tarot cards to read. My good friend, Dr. Mark Gordon, who is an expert in traumatic brain injury and does a lot of work with soldiers. And Andrew Mars Foundation, he has a Warrior Angel Foundation, and Dr. Gordon does a lot of work with him. And they have developed some really good protocols for helping guys. And he's helped a shit ton of guys, and he does a lot of the work for like nothing. Just trying to help as many people as he can because you know he's he's he's doing well financially you know he doesn't he's not desperate for money so he does a lot of

charity works my point yeah he's dedicated a significant amount of his professional time to trying to find solutions for soldiers and also he's done a lot of work with football players and boxers and fighters. Anybody who's going to get that enclosed brain trauma, at the end of the day, I think on the chart, it ends up looking the same. It doesn't matter how you necessarily got it. The UFC is involved in some new protocols now, too. They've developed some stuff in San Diego.

In fact, I forget what the medical institution that's doing it, but they've got something they're doing with some sort of electromagnetic therapy. Magnetic resonation. You know what it is? Have you heard it? It may well be the same clinic. There's a couple of buddies that I have who came to San Diego, La Jolla area. They would go in once a day or twice a day for a quick session. I'm pretty sure it was magnets placed either across from each other, whatever it was, a protocol.

I think it was for a month and to a person. They all actually said that they had significant benefit, whether that be most of them were saying they were sleeping better. And I don't know the causality or correlation there, but they had improvement. It could have been their mood function, whatever it may be. So how do the fighters, what do they think about, if you get knocked out in the UFC, like you're just flatlined, do you have a minimum amount of time before you can go back? I think most of the time they give them a 90-day suspension,

which in my opinion is way too short. I was going to, yeah. Because first of all, they say like 90 days no contact, but those guys are going to be sparring before then so that is the issue that i've heard with some of the active duty guys now they'll go in and from a perspective if they kind of want to preempt and get an idea of where their head is at currently they'll go in and they'll get a scan or however they they couldn't give me the scans because I have retained metal in my body, but I think a lot of it is based off of MRIs and the magnets and stuff. And they'll recognize that they have the precursors or they'll have damage to their head.

And the guys, they don't want to take any time off. They just want to get back into it. It's a struggle. They're like, hey, listen, this could be what it could look like for you in the coming years. And the guy's like, yeah, I get it, but put me back in, coach. It's a struggle to get them to take time off, which doesn't surprise me that the UFC guys are the same way. No, that's absolutely the way they are, especially the real savages, the ones who are the winners. Like Michael Bisping, you know, he lost to George St. Pierre and then three weeks later fought against Calvin Gaslam and got stopped.

And a lot of people criticized that, me included, saying they shouldn't let him in there. You know, I mean, he needs time to recover. He got battered in that fight, got choked unconscious, then you got him fighting again three weeks later. It's just not smart. But he would have probably, not knowing a thing about it, fought tooth and nail

to get into that ring, would be my guess. And he'll probably fight two weeks later. He's a fucking animal. Yeah, until you're done. 60 and then you're drooling on yourself and you think you're the Easter Bunny. I mean, that's not a good look. No, and it's possible.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, you have to almost protect people from themselves or maybe there could be an argument that there should be sort of a comprehensive education for fighters at least because this is an elective thing, right, and which you're definitely going to get hit. For soldiers, it might be a good argument as well, but that there should be some sort of elective or some sort of an education thing. That's the word I was going to say. At least educate to the – just go into whatever situation you're going to go into, whether it's the UFC or the NFL or the military, whatever. Just go in with an educated perspective instead of going in blank and at the end of it not understanding where you're at and why it happened.

So what do you think it is that makes you want to jump out of planes? Perfectly good airplane. You put a squirrel suit on. Yeah. Do you think, this is what I asked you before, do you think that this is like you're fulfilling some sort of a desire for excitement, some need for extreme situations? desire for excitement, some need for extreme situations.

Well, so skydiving, jumping out of an airplane is, to me, if you follow some very basic principles, you know, being current and maintaining your gear and taking your time to pack your parachute, the most difficult, or not the most difficult, the most dangerous portion of a day skydiving will be your drive to the drop zone and your drive home. So what happens to those people that fuck up and die? Well, there's two. So you got to separate two categories. There's jumping out of an airplane with a main parachute and a reserve parachute and a lot of altitude and a lot of time. And then there's base jumping, which is off of a static object with one parachute generally closer to the ground. And that lack of altitude and separation from the ground gives you less time, less options. You've got to be really tight on your A game.

In both of those worlds, what I think and what my opinion is that kills the most people is complacency. There has not been a gear-related fatality as far back as I can really find it, at least in the last 10 to 15 years. It's people killing themselves, not the gear killing them. How does that work? What do you mean? How do they kill themselves? Getting in over your head, attempting a maneuver that you have no ability to recover from if it were to go wrong in the skydiving world. To use the wingsuit as an example, if you keep the suit flying straight,

it feels incredibly stable. It feels like you're laying in an air mattress. It's not hard at all. You literally get out of the aircraft and you spread your arms and legs out. There's ram air inlets that inflate the suit and you can lay on it. You can literally just relax and lay in the suit and you'd fly at 60% of your performance to make up a number that's probably somewhat accurate. But then, you know, maybe you want to fly it on your back. Oh, Jesus. Then maybe you want to fly it next to people. Then maybe you want to do an intricate formation that's both vertically and horizontally separated.

I've heard of people colliding while skydiving. Yes. And it has catastrophic results. Like limbs get ripped off. Yeah, there was a pair of Golden Knights. The guy decapitated. They didn't decapitate the guy. From the pelvis down, cut off both legs.

But you can get yourself going, you know, 100 miles an hour forward speed. Cut off both legs. Yep. What hit what? His head. Or shoulder hit his, I believe, the lower portion of his legs. And what happened to the guy's shoulder? He had a vacation in the hospital for a little bit, and the other guy died.

Whoa. Yeah. Actually, you know what? I think I might be wrong on that. I think the dude with no legs is the one who lived because he jumped again. The guy who hit him is the one that died. Fuck. He jumped again after that?

Yeah. Yeah, of course. Of course he did. It's like when you text me, like, would you do this shit in France into the plane? I'm like, don't ask me rhetorical questions. I saw one that I was going to ask you. A guy was trying to get into the plane. He was doing the squirrel suit into the plane, but he missed. Yeah. Sometimes you miss. And he bounced off the plane and it didn't look good. So that was, uh, the same Red Bull dudes. And that is probably the worst situation you could get into because you could see he was spinning

in the suit and that is how you can kill yourself in a into because you could see he was spinning in the suit. Yes. And that is how you can kill yourself in a wingsuit. If you try some crazy maneuver that you're not capable of doing, you essentially stall the suit. And then you end up on your back spinning out of control. You'll black out. And, you know, whatever happens, happens. What happened to that guy that bounced off the plane?

He pulled it out. He did? He did. Because, you know, later in that video, yeah. I mean, but those, so that guy, that is Fred and Vince. They're Red Bull dudes. They're at the absolute apex of what's possible. And yeah, I mean, he hit it.

He was able to recover because later in that video, they were both able to successfully get in. But that guy has been jumping for decades and tens of thousands of jumps so of course he can recover from that if you got 10 jumps you're dead but the problem is people see that video they're like i know what i'm doing on thursday and they die they do stupid shit and they're not they're not aware of their ability or their skill or they're just not looking in the mirror being honest with themselves they attempt something crazy. The most common in skydiving thing is somebody to die under perfectly functioning equipment. They'll have a really small main canopy.

Like most main canopies, the canopy you're suspended under in your harness when you're learning is about 300 to 360 square feet. It's like driving a school bus. It really slow turns. It doesn't dive. And a lot of people try to get to these little postage stamp parachutes. They're 71 square feet, 69 square feet. And in those canopies, if you initiate a turn, regardless of what you do after that turn, you cannot pull the canopy out of the dive until it goes through its natural recovery arc. So if you initiate that turn 300 feet low, you're done. You'd be lucky to walk away with a set of powdered femurs, which is exciting to watch from the ground. It's a very interesting noise to

hear happen. That's best case scenario. Middle of the ground would be wheelchair with a colostomy bag for the rest of your life. Worst case scenario, you're getting carted off in an ambulance and you're dead. And it's just a rush to get to that super small canopy or you just started jumping. So this is like a status thing. Guys want to show you that they're jumping with a super small canopy. You ever see people in the mixed martial arts world who just started and they think they're ready for the cage? Yes. It's the exact same thing.

I bet you it happens in motocross, surfing. Like, you know, a guy learns to surf. He's like, North Shore, let's go. I'm like, excuse me, sir. You're using a foam surfboard that's 12 feet long. If you go to the North Shore, you're going to die. But nothing you say to them. Is it easier to use a foam one that's 12 feet long?

I don't know. I don't know where it came from. But probably on a smaller wave. Maybe I should get a foam surfboard that's 12 feet long. But I think either way, though, on the North Shore, you're going to die but till you try to tell that to that person they don't want to hear it they're ready and not only they're ready i need to go to best buy and get about four gopros and then we're going to send this thing and you're dead and it presents this and creates this that's why i like uh i don't like to talk about the risk necessarily because

there are there is in my opinion a community of People that really romanticize that risk and they define themselves by that risk where that's not for me That's not what I'm looking for at all, but when it comes to skydiving. It's just fun man. I cannot not smile When I'm flying that wingsuit you're doing 120 miles an hour forward face first giving it a bug in the mug Oh, yeah. You'll come down speckled, all sorts. I've almost hit a bird base jumping in Switzerland. Like it's just, oh yeah. But again, there's a difference between skydiving and base jumping. Skydiving is if you have enough experience and you learn that you can handle with most likely

what's going to come up, you can just focus on having fun. Base jumping is a different activity for sure. it looks the same it's a different sport different act i don't even call it a sport it's an activity how many guys have you seen die base jumping and skydiving in a squirrel suit actually not that many i have seen more people die under the super small canopies turning too low and just impacting the ground. I mean, it's a sight to be seen where the canopy – it's in such a steep dive. Like as you're – the canopy is up top. As you pitch over, your body is actually above the canopy.

So it hits and they pendulum into the ground. It's like wet meat on concrete. You know exactly – and you can hear it coming because the canopies whistle. The lines that suspend you underneath the canopy, they're cutting through the air. And you just hear it. You look up and then wham. As far as actually physically watching people go in, May 2, I think. But, you know, my last trip to Switzerland in 2016, last year, I was in a, in the Valley with

my buddy Alex, and we were there for two weeks and 15 people went in. 15. Yep. Now, how many people were there? That it's hard to say. And that's why, again, I think you have to be careful talking about the stats and the risk, because I don't really know how many people partake in that activity, but I can tell you this of those 15, zero were gear related. Not a single one was because their gear failed. It was, in my opinion, somebody attempting or just living, they're walking on a razor blade. And sometimes when I go over there, I will do that as well.

I'll fly close to the ground or I'll fly in between trees or I'll fly through a crack and mess around with that. But I, I try to do it on a very limited time period. I try to have outs and I try to work my way into that position. And what I have seen personally, which doesn't mean that this is the norm. What I have personally seen with my own eyes is people that don't take that route and they want to go straight to just, Hey, hold my beer. And there's just no room

for error and yeah that's a lot of people though like what what percentage of the people died like how many people were there i don't know probably a couple hundred as far as jesus well that's just a couple 115 people croaked yeah that's a lot i that's a lot again i, I try to, again, I try to be honest. I accept the activity. Here's my thing. I don't ever want to gamble, but I am willing to take risk. And I know that that activity has some risk associated with it. But for me personally, the benefit outweighs the risk. And I also spend most of my year trying to put in place things that can mitigate that risk, like jumping all the time and being current in my suit. And I'll walk away.

I've been at plenty of exit points where the weather wasn't good or the wind wasn't good or I just wasn't feeling it. And I think a lot of other people probably had the same feelings and they're zipping up their suit, getting ready to go. And I'm like, peace out, man. I'll see you later. I'm going to go drink a bottle of red wine and have a glass. Yeah, I would love to be the base jumper that has walked away from more exits than anybody else on earth more than i would like to be the base jumper that's done more extreme shit than anybody else on earth like how many times you think you've

walked away how many times have you gotten to a situation where you're at the starting line you're like this doesn't feel right 15 20 wow and some of those things will give you a two-hour hike on the way down you know and she's like, I don't want to hike down. That's what gets a lot of people, too, is they'll get – there's a lot of hiking involved. Like the YouTube videos, that's about 5% of what it actually takes. My favorite jump in Switzerland is about a two-and-a-half to a three-hour walk for a 90-second flight. So the ratio of busting your ass to smiling is very askew. It's like Disneyland.

Pretty much, except it's actually fun and it's not full of pedophiles. Disneyland's full of pedophiles? Of course. Really? That's where all the kids are. Where would you go if you were a pedophile? I didn't think of it that way. Come on now. It's like being a freak and going to the strip club.

Come on. There you go. You know what kills me about Disneyland? My kids love Disneyland, so we go there quite often. There's these gangs, Disneyland gangs gangs have you ever seen them before what are you talking they wear vests like they're in Hells Angels and their vests are covered with Disneyland buttons and patches these are Disneyland employees you're talking about no no these are gangs of Disneyland fans and they used

to have entry Admission things To get in there See the Disneyland gangs A second ago about the pedophiles Hitchhikers, Disneyland Waltz, Misfits SoCal

With a skull with a Disneyland hat on And these people go They have things that would They would have to have little things that they would have to have, like little things that they would have to accomplish to get entry into these gangs. And one of the things was they would have to have one of the rides go down. So they'd have to make a ride go down

in order to get entry into this stupid fucking gang. How does one do that? Throw something into the gears. Oh, that's good. Thank you for that that when we were there this one dumb lady this is this is how fucking genius this dummy was um california screaming is the roller coaster where you do that loop where you go upside down okay on the top of the loop this dummy threw her purse and wanted to catch it on the way down. She had this idea.

How'd that work? It didn't work. It hit the ground. It hit first. The roller coaster ran over it, stopped the roller coaster, and they got stuck like three quarters of the way up the loop. And everybody's like, shit. They stopped the roller coaster.

She went to jail. Another, you want to hear something really gross? One couple, they had a two-year-old kid, and they caught them on security cam after the fact. They hung back, and they put their kid near a Disneyland employee, and they went away and stepped away. So the kid was confused, didn't know what to do. So this Disneyland employee kept an eye on the kid and then called security and the security took care of the kid. And then they went to dinner and they had drinks and they went out and then they went

and retrieved their kid afterwards security. Not everybody should have kids. But just imagine the monster you have to be to take your two year old kid. You're like, I'm tired of having this kid. Hey, I've got a great idea. Oh, I'm sure their home life is amazing. Very nourishing. Monsters, man. this kid hey i've got a great idea oh i'm sure their home life is amazing very nourishing monsters man fucking and you wonder like when you see a school shooting or something crazy like what happened this kind of shit does you're raising a potential human being this kind of shit happens

you have some fucking morons that are allowed to have kids yeah and they basically shit shit on an innocent victim which is my biggest issue with it yeah i cannot i don't like the victimization of innocent people it drives me nuts yeah man especially little two-year-olds i mean it's crazy it's crazy that someone has that in them that they could be that fucking stupid that they have that in them and you know i wish that this was an isolated instance i'm sure there's like quite a few of those yeah I'm sure there probably is

I can't believe you're drinking that kombucha stuff it's good love it doesn't the rye brain do the same thing for your gut no

no that's a nootropic and the rye brain is alcohol it's probably bad for your gut I'm trying to counteract the effects I had uh you don't fuck with kimchi either

absolutely not gotta eat it buddy I've seen that thing from... Spent some time in Korea and watched those guys pulling that stuff out of the ground and they would offer it. It's like, I'm... No, I don't want a kimchi. I'm more convinced now than ever

that... Plus, having a bunch of really good podcast guests that explain the benefits of probiotics and about how probiotics literally affect your gut ecosystem that affects your personality and your immune system and just all sorts of different aspects of your life. But I've been eating kimchi almost when I'm at home daily, pretty much daily.

Either by itself or you pair it with a meal. I pair it with a meal usually, but sometimes I'll just open up a jar and just eat a whole jar of the shit. That's disgusting. I don't give a fuck, son. Today I had kimchi with elk and jalapenos and there's some stuff called No Bread. No is a company that makes K-N-O-W. They make these gluten-free breads that are made with nuts and almonds.

How does it taste? It tastes good. Does it actually taste like bread? It tastes good. No. Not totally. Not like a good piece of San Francisco sourdough bread. It does not taste like that.

But that's what it tastes like. But it tastes good enough. It's good for me. And most importantly, it doesn't jack up your glycemic index. You don't have an insulin spike. You feel good after you eat it. You still ride in the keto train? Most of the time.

I will fuck off on occasion. I will fuck off. I fucked off last week. I was in Hawaii, and I fucked off hard, son. Thanksgiving was an interesting adventure in diet for me, too. I drank every night. I ate dessert every day. I ate whatever I wanted.

I said, I'm on vacation. I'm going to treat this like a vacation. I'm going to have no restraint. And I'm only going to eat, I gained four pounds. And I worked out every day. I worked out every day. Why does it only take one week to unravel what seems like a lifetime of work? And then you start climbing back into the saddle.

You're like, okay, cool. I guess I'll just move an inch at a time here. You lost two miles along the way. Well, the good news is I kept working out. So it wasn't like I came back home terribly out of shape, feeling terrible, and having gotten drunk every night. I bet if I didn't work out every day, I probably would have gained like seven or eight pounds. Oh, 100%. Yeah.

You probably at least still kept your metabolism up and high. Yeah. But I was like, this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to treat it like this. I'm going to work out every day so that I don't have to think about it, so I could just go crazy. You're managing guilt. Yeah.

Yeah. I ate breakfast one day, and we stayed at this place that had a buffet, and they had chocolate croissants. I had four chocolate croissants, and then I had two pieces of banana bread and I had two sticky buns, these sticky buns. And then, then I had all sorts of other food on top of that. I just ate like, like a glutton. Isn't it amazing?

I don't usually do that. So it's nice to do it for a vacation. It feels amazing for a day or two. Yeah, but I felt so weak. Like when I would go to the gym, I literally felt like I was working out underwater. Like my body was just combating all the booze and all the shitty food. With Adderall

I'll find my gas tank is just done. Like you start, you normally like, okay I'm going to warm up and you're just like, oh. Yeah. I think I'm done here. This place had a heavy bag and I knew they had a heavy bag so I brought boxing gloves and hand wraps and everything and I have a timer on my phone so I set the timer up and I just wailed away it's fucking great because you know those apple ear pods yeah I have a set probably the best apple not to make

an ad for apple probably the best thing I've ever bought from apples they're fucking great airpods are great and here's the thing when you have a um this timer it would play me music but then the timer like the noise of the timer would also go through the AirPods. So you're getting both. Yeah. So when it was getting to like 10 seconds, it would alert me through the, but I would think like, oh man, punching the bag and even kicking the bag, those AirPods are going to

fall out. Nope. Yeah. They didn't. I've actually yet to have them fall out. Yeah. Regardless. The only time I've had them fall is when I was doing chin-ups because my shoulders are

so fucking massive. They touch my ears. So they didn't fall out. They were ripped out by your massive shoulders. Yeah, my ears bumped up against my shoulders. But that's it. It's the only time they've ever accidentally fallen out. But what's interesting is you take one out,

and it knows that you have it out, so the sound stops. How the fuck did they figure that out? Wizardry? You just pull one out. I don't know. People have no problem talking to you while you have headphones on. They just start talking.

Like, they see the headphones and they just start talking to you. To pretend like you can't hear them. And you point to the headphones and they're like, no, no, no, you have to talk to me. They talk louder. Yeah, I don't give a fuck

if you're on the phone. I don't give a fuck if you're on the phone. I don't give a fuck if you're in the middle of the most important audio book ever. Yeah. Getting the secrets of the universe right now. People won't talk to you, man. Yeah. I think that might be more of a problem that you deal with as opposed to others. I think girls get it more than me.

I know. You done with those words? I know women who have put headphones into their ears and not even attached it to a device. It's a good move. Just so people will leave them alone. Just stick it right in their pussy. I don't know if you can hear. Yeah, I don't know if that would necessarily work. What island do you go to in Hawaii?

My favorite is Lanai. Is that where you guys went for Thanksgiving? No, we went to the Big Island this time. Nice. But I think Lanai is the way to go because there ain't nobody there. And you got to take two flights. From what, LA? You got to go two flights uh from what la yeah you got to go to honolulu and then you take a little puddle jumper a little one of them little buddy holly killing planes there you go hey man i got some i got some magic backpacks you can borrow they ask you how much your packs were like oh no don't say that how much do you weigh sir weigh, sir? And don't lie. Please don't lie.

Actually padded by about 10%. You're going to be okay. Yeah. I wonder if they do if they get like a really overweight person who they know might be full of shit. Like, I don't want to throw it. I know what happens. Ladies. I know what happens. They jack up a couple of pounds. When I was super young, like I just I remember that I went on a cruise with my grandparents to Alaska. I don't know where we started, but we went up to Alaska. When we were flying back from Alaska, puddle jumper to probably Juneau to get on the big plane. And they looked at my grandfather like a little up and down like, sir, you're on the next flight. Really?

Yep. They bumped him. Grandpa had a gut. Grandpa, he was built. Big boy? He was built from the belly button up to the chest like a beach ball. Yeah, man. I wouldn't want to be on a puddle jumper with a really big guy that was full of shit.

No, you'd kill everybody. Yeah. At some point, the plane's like, hey, I know you're pulling back on the yoke, but I actually can't take off, so you're all going to die now. And that's not the way to go either. Right, because someone has an ego, and they can't tell you they're 400 pounds, not 350. Yeah. So I think they actually took his luggage off, and he had to come back, like, I think it was the next day. Well, the real problem is for someone who's 400 pounds, they have to find a scale that goes up to 400 pounds.

Or you've got to time it as it goes around. Well, Joey Diaz was telling me that, that when he was 400 pounds he didn't know how much he weighed. Because the scale at his doctor's office only went to 300 pounds. I can't even imagine that. It was like pegged. Bang! And then, you know, he'd lose 50 pounds

and it would still be pegged. I think that's not a good sign. Nope. I mean, I'm not a doctor, obviously. I think that all this stuff, when you see all these people that are morbidly obese, I think this is all – there's a lot of things, right? There's shitty food. There's bad gut flora, addiction to refined carbohydrates and sugars, alcohol, a lot of things that make people

that fat. But on top of that, I think a lot of it is that they don't have like real physical challenges in their life on a daily basis, especially physical challenges that they enjoy that forces them to be disciplined about their health and to understand that their body is a, it's not just your body. Okay. It's like you have this variable vehicle and the more time you put into it and the more you pay attention to it and the more discipline you use to keep this thing running, the better it's going to work for you.

And if you use it all the time, you're going to appreciate it. But if you just use it to walk over the couch and crack a beer and start fucking filling your face with chips and cookies You don't think about what it is and you don't have to rely on it to survive You don't have to chop wood you have to you have to carry anything you know You don't do anything you got to go you got to look on your phone for the right app to have uber deliver your food So you don't even have to get off of your ass. That's a new thing It's a new thing, but I bet you it's pretty popular. I bet it doesn't come to your neck of the woods. I bet I wouldn't order it even if it did.

Do you have restaurants in your town? Well, yes. We also have electricity and running water. No. We do. I thought you had a well. I do at the house we have in the woods. It's an amazing well.

You should come visit sometime. I like wells. I like the idea of a well. The water is, god damn, it's good. Oh, yeah. It's unbelievably. Crystal clear spring water. It just tastes different.

Yeah. It tastes different, too. Yeah, I like the small town. We have everything we need. Probably a couple things that we probably still need. And not much of what we don't. Is there any crime? I'm sure.

I actually, yeah, I bet you there's some a little bit off the rails crime. I think any place, so we don't live in Whitefish. Whitefish is like 15 miles north of us. I'm pretty sure there's a large white nationalist, white supremacist flavor. I've read some stuff about it. I haven't really looked into it too much, but I knew that they were getting ready to do a little bit of a March-type action rally. You should walk around everywhere in blackface.

I don't think that's the call. Get yourself an Afro. God, I was thinking of just driving my truck through the white nationalist rally because my truck is black. Right. Yeah, that would be metaphorically. Get yourself one of them tiki torches and see if you fit in. Fuck me, man. Jesus.

Those fucking dickheads. All those dickheads in Charlotte walking down the street with Home Depot torches. I still can't figure out if they're serious. Oh, they're serious. They're really, really fucking stupid. But like really with a Home Depot tiki torch in your hand, you're serious? Yeah, they're serious. They just want a torch and they're so fucking stupid.? Yeah. You're serious? Yeah, they're serious.

They just want a torch, and they're so fucking stupid. They don't realize how that's going to be mocked. I don't know if they even care. I think they're just glad they're getting coverage so that they feel that their message is getting out to everybody who needs to hear it. Well, everybody did need to hear it, because most people didn't know that there was a group that's that fucking stupid that's willing to go into the streets like that and do it in this day and age when you're on the internet and people are going to realize, oh, you're a Nazi.

You have a swastika on your chest. You dumb cunt. Oh, okay. Yeah. All right. There you go, buddy. I don't know if it's that bad up in Whitefish, but I do know that there is, I have found this like you get to the remote areas.

It seems like a drug related crime might be a tad higher. Gets a little meth-y. Yeah, I was going to say meth, but I'm not sure. I mean, anecdotally, I think from my perspective, that's what it seems to be like. But I haven't, I mean, I feel super comfortable. I don't feel, yeah, I mean, I don't know. It feels smaller is the only way that I can describe it. And that feeling feels awesome.

Yeah, it's peaceful, right? It's like more relaxed. Yeah, it's another great word for sure it's it's slower too yeah it is like i said the only regret is that i wish we had i wish we had been able to do it well we would we were able to do it we just didn't do it i wish we had done it a couple years ago yeah i felt that way about boulder boulder feels like that to me boulder feels to me like you know it, it's only 100,000 people, which is way bigger than your town. Yeah, 22,000. That's crazy.

But just everything's like, oh, it's just calmer. Boulder's an interesting town. It reminded me a lot of where I grew up in Santa Cruz. Very left. It's a great place if you're selling tofu. Santa Cruz is a great place to grow up. The problem is that a lot of people don't leave Santa Cruz. It's so far left that it ends up on the right somehow there it's insane and i you know the guys and

girls that i went to high school with a couple of them have never left and not that i haven't really maintained contact with them but even if i did i don't know if i'd have anything to talk to them about it's such a insulated and they like so the small town that we live in like i want my kids when they grow up and they get to that age, they got to leave. They got to go and experience something else. I don't want them to think that that 22,000 people is, this is how the world is. It's not the best thing I did in Santa Cruz was leaving at some point. A friend of mine has been on the podcast before used to be on this podcast called citizens radio. And he was a, um, like a real heavy-duty, lefty,

social justice warrior-type character. And somewhere along the line, he ran afoul of them because he dates girls and girls are calling him a predator or something like that. He really didn't do anything wrong. If you look at it on paper, like, okay, what did he do wrong? It was nothing. There was no rape.

There was no assault. There was no assault. There was no harassing. It was him trying to get laid, which I thought is normal. But I guess not in that world. It's problematic. In the social justice world? It's problematic. To be an aggressive sexual predator, what you did is actually predatory and really not cool at all.

and really not cool at all. But what he said was that when he was in that world, he wasn't even aware of dissenting viewpoints because he was so insulated because everybody in that world thought a certain way. Yeah. And so you just get accustomed to these very rigid sort of channels of thinking and everybody sort of follows these channels.

And he literally wasn't even aware of the possibility of there being a dissenting point of view that was rational how do people not realize that that's inherently dangerous they get caught up in it people are super tribal you know i don't have to tell you that i mean yeah i agree but it's at the same point like i try to recognize myself like if i'm whatever consuming anything information information, if I'm like, okay, I need to go and figure something else out or hear another viewpoint or at least try to balance it. To me, like, the spidey senses start going up if too many people are saying the same thing. If everybody's all chanting the same, it's like, what's going on? Like, we might be down the rabbit hole here and we need to take a few steps back.

Yeah, but that's because you are a winner, sir. And some people are just not. I don't have tiger blood, but I'm trying. There's some things that people have that are like unfortunate. And one of the things that people have is this like deep desire to have other people like them and to fit in and to cause zero friction and to be to be, uh, amenable to the, the group think, you know, it's like, it's a real, it's a common issue with folks. Like you see them like just slotting into group think ideology and whether it's group think on the right side or group

thing. I mean, there's a lot of fucking really dumb people that I follow on Twitter that are, uh, make America great again. People like I'll go to hashtag MAGA every now and then, fucking really dumb people that I follow on Twitter that are Make America Great Again people. I'll go to hashtag MAGA every now and then and just start reading tweets and just fucking Macaulay Culkin from Home Alone with my hand on my head going, Oh my God, these people are serious. Drain the swamp. Hashtag drain the swamp. And I'll go and I'll read these people's tweets. I'm like, these people are just apes that are in a tribe.

They are really, really, not all of them, folks. Don't get me wrong. There's a lot of people that are Make America Great Again people that really do feel like it's a good thing to have this guy in office. Stock market's up. I'm not talking about you. But I'm talking about people that have this tiny little brain. And this tiny little brain and this tiny little brain just needs to slot into a place and this is where they found this is their spot and

then you go on to their twitter page and these motherfuckers are on all day arguing with people about trump all day accomplishing nothing no but they feel like they are they got a huge microphone and they're getting absolutely nowhere. Yeah. And they just, every day, they're just constantly checking their responses, checking their tweets, checking their thing, back and forth, back and forth. You know what scares me about that is, again, I feel like I'm late to the game to everything. And social media, late to the game.

Podcasting, late to the game. Like I was telling you, like I'm trying to play catch up. And I used to look at the news and largely accept, you know, what I could corroborate on each side. And now I can't look at any of that. And so I just have to use my own eyes. But I see with my own eyes, people arguing with their head down so much about what they believe that they're actually not seeing what's happening around them. And because nobody trusts anything and they only repeat what they say, it provides the seams for people to do shit that as a country, I don't think we want to go in that direction. In that distraction, moves are being made that people aren't paying attention to.

Yeah, I feel like with all this thing about Trump and Russia and everybody thinking that Flynn is going to turn on Trump and this is it. We're going to Trump's going down. Trump's going down like, hey, guys, North Korea's got nuclear capability and they've just launched some new fucking missile. Yes. My CBM. Yeah. High into orbit that's capable of reaching America.

Do you understand what's happening? Like, and we're sending stealth bombers over to South Korea. Like, we are literally a few steps away from the brink of a nuclear war. Do you understand what's happening? And we're sending stealth bombers over to South Korea. We are literally a few steps away from the brink of a nuclear war. We're not there yet, but we're where everybody should be going, hey, hey, hey, hey, what the fuck is going on over here? What is this? Why are we even battling them? What the fuck is the issue other than the fact that I mean if you want to talk about going somewhere where you have a real communist dictatorship that is a Ruth Ruth iron fist military dictatorship that has an entire country

of people enslaved North Korea's a spot I mean it really is a video of that defector yeah holy shit might pull that up my man got swiss cheesed and just kept the foot on the gas pedal kept going they're shooting at his truck holy crap oh yeah shot five or six five or six times riddled with like parasites yeah big parasites like two feet long my man i mean there you go i wonder what motivates somebody to run that hard and that fast and he made it and he made it He must be sleeping so good right now Yeah, we're probably getting fed for the head on the pillow. I Mean just imagine. Oh, okay. Look at this, dude

Get I'll get some me. I'll fall down buddy. Nice. Like I probably played it off though He's like, yeah, I wanted to shoot some is that all they have? No, they have the full thing. Yeah, you get the nightline version of it. See if you can get the full actual video of it. The full actual video of it is pretty interesting. He was getting shot at in the car. Yeah. You could see the trace around.

And they're really close to him. Yeah, that doesn't necessarily mean anything. I miss my close shots. Panicking. This fucking people. So here it is. This guy is just hauling ass. Here's my question. You think he was playing the radio like yeah metallica and kickstart my heart yeah like he's just got

metallica rip i'm going for it north korea soldiers pursue the man while he flees in a military vehicle what kind of cars you got there it looked like a jeep it looks like a land rover so he stops the car he gets out and he's running. And they're shooting at him from like feet away. Fortunately, the guy on the far right's got a pistol. He's not hitting shit. He's tripping over his buddy. Ooh, that guy's got a rifle though.

Oh my God. The Korean soldier accidentally crosses into South Korea during the pursuit. So that's the line right there? I do not know. So that's all line right there. I do not know. So that's all you have to do. He's like, oh, I'm out. Quickly turns around. Whoa.

So there's not a fence? I don't know. You just have to get to that spot and that's it? I don't know about the DMZ. Shot and injured defector is pulled to safety by the South Korean military. Whoa. That's amazing. Who are these people crawling?

That looks like the South Korean people. Yeah, they're dragging him. Holy cow. I didn't know about this oh my god see the blood trail oh that's what that is yeah more than likely on a thermal whoa that's intense that's intense but you want to talk about an iron fist dictator that's happening right now and people all they can think of is just look at that guy go look at him go He's out Fifth gear Yeah, I don't I don't know the rules on the DMZ or where the actual line is this video on like South Korea's side Is that how they someone saw this taking place? Well, it looks yeah, so it looks like he's driving from north to south

Yeah, does he just have to get across that gate? So this is just like a DMZ. This is almost like an unedited, just like a 10-minute version of it. Wow. I guess they just constantly monitor everything. How weird must that tension be between the north and the south

just staring at each other on the opposite side of the line, and they both look exactly the same. Yeah. They're both Korean. You know? It's like the u.s wall with mexico people who go it's racist it's racist because one people are brown and one people are white they can't even say it's racist over there they're both the same race they just look at each other and then they're at war they hate each other and one's the enemy and one's not one One has no money. One is under the iron rule of a communist military

dictatorship where they kill everybody. The other one, they're making the best cell phones in the world. The chicks are all getting plastic surgery. The boys are all fucking hip-hop break dancers and shit. They have MMA over there. They have everything. South Korea's

their Taekwondo is pretty fucking awesome seoul is an awesome town i've been here yeah i've been there i spent my 20th birthday in uh seoul korea in a bar people that think that socialism and communism is the answer to the woes that capitalism creates do not understand you're just missing the point that is that is it's so contrary to human nature. And it is, by the way, never been pulled off successfully in human history. Yeah. I would love an example. And that's what I always ask people. Just give me the example of what you want to use as the foundation for those principles, where it's been executed properly,

where it's thrived, where it's survived. And I'll just sit here and wait. And another part of the problem is that the people that are really like the people that are in the left that are like really progressive and support marxism the idea of marxism and socialism those people are in general very supportive of gay rights very supportive of women's rights those are the first things that get trampled in these communist dictatorships that is the first thing that goes like every single one of these communist marxist rules homosexuality is treated as the devil like these people they live in hell that you don't understand it is very difficult for me after a long period of time the the majority of my adult life, to pick my head up and look around.

And most of the interaction, like I said, is social media. I sit back and I watch and I see the things that people say and I see the complaints that they have and oppressed this, this, that, or the other. And I'll be the first person to say that there's inequality in the U.S.,

just like there is in every nation on the face of the planet. For sure. But to hear how people think how bad we have it and then to have seen with my own eyes places where people would claw their way across the border to have the opportunities that people in this country have just waking up the sun rises over the united states and they wake up and they have so much opportunity that they don't appreciate it's very difficult for me to make sense of what's going on it's a bizarre place to be in because it's just like who who are you people and where do you get these ideas i think they're they're idealistic and they think that we can do better and i think that we can do better. And I think that we can do better too. But I think where people go afoul is where they start saying that they want equality of outcome.

And equality of outcome is contrary to equality. Because when you have equality, equality, real equality, meaning you can do whatever you want to do, that breeds inequality. Yes. Because some people are going to work harder. And competition is what pushes things. And some people think that competition is bad. And the reason why they think it's bad is because it makes them feel bad. Like, I put something on Twitter today where they were saying that Fitbits,

that people using Fitbits is fat- shaming and ableist and it's problematic and it causes all sorts of issues. And these educators were looking at Fitbits as being, it's a real problem with the emotions of people. You know, they find out like, and they start comparing and it can cause all sorts of issues with people. So they were literally saying that Fitbits, they're just devices that give you data that these things can be a problem. How about competition's a good thing? It's a good thing. Yeah. How about it's okay to finish last because it'll motivate you to get off your ass and climb up the leaderboard? Exactly. Yeah. Go again. You don't win every time,

stupid. It scares me that people are in positions. I'm looking at my oldest son is 14. And I mean, I realize that at some point in time in the very near future, he's going to go off and, you know, he's going to want to pursue a higher education. And I almost would rather send him to a trade school where he learned something with his hands. Or I would hope that he would I to go down that route instead of going into an environment that is completely artificial where people portray this world of, you know, rounded corners and nerfed everything. And your feelings and words hurt. And you talk about it all the time, actually. I don't want my son to go into that environment.

He's already experiencing that a little bit in the school system that he's in. Like, he uses the word triggered. And his teachers will uses the word triggered and he'll, his teachers will use that word triggered. I'm like, listen, it's okay to have somebody say something to you that invokes a reaction or emotion in you that causes conflict. That's okay. Don't run away from that conflict. Why don't you go directly at that conflict and figure out what your problem is with it or figure out why you have an issue with that and then work through that and you'll be a better person on the other side of the house.

I feel like we're in a place now where people are creating – it's an artificial environment that as soon as you leave that environment, you're going to get your teeth just kicked in. And I don't – I see it trending more and more and more in the U.S. And I almost think we're getting ready to fall flat on our face. U.S. and I almost think we're getting ready to fall flat on our face and I almost think we need to to figure out who the fuck we are and to pick ourself back up and to realize that those artificial environments that people are trying to force onto the world, it just doesn't work. In campus cities and small towns that have campuses. Yeah, it's just really heavy-duty left-wing people that are just committed to this ideology, and they don't have – I mean, it's good to have both sides. I think it's good to have people that lean left and people that lean right, and you try to figure out which way works. And by the way, it's going to work better for some people to be left, and it's going to work better for some people to be right.

But this lack of tolerance for other people's ideas is one of the most shocking things about the left these days yeah is this this need and desire to shut down speech you know um there was aren't they also the people who are on the forefront of saying you know freedom of speech but not that not anymore you know they used to be the the new left is more stifling of free speech than the right by far. The new left would, you know, you'd call neo-Marxism or post-modernism. I guess I look at it differently. Like freedom of speech to me, in my mind, is not about what I can say to you. It's not about me saying I'm going to say something, you know, messed up and try to offend you. To me, freedom of speech is how much can I tolerate from somebody else? How much am I willing to listen to an opinion that I absolutely hate, but I'm going to allow it to exist because I'm grateful that we have an environment that that can exist in, and you're not going to get pulled into a public square and get your head cut off.

Well, there's certainly that, but there's also the only way you find out which idea is correct is you have to have debate. You have to have open debate. You have to have the ability to communicate your ideas freely. And if you don't have the ability to communicate your ideas freely and the other person just bulldozes you with their ideas because they think they're right, and I'm going to shut down everyone else's opinion because I'm right, that's not how you handle free speech. The way you handle bad speech.

The way to tell you your opinion isn't allowed. Right. You handle bad speech with more better speech. The way you handle bad speech... Or to tell you your opinion isn't allowed. Right. You handle bad speech with more better speech. You become... You have to have your arguments laid out in a way that's convincing to the people that are paying attention. And you can't do that if your speech

is stifled. And that's what's really a problem with the left these days. And I think a big part of it is these artificial environments you're talking about. They live in these insulated things, like I was saying Jamie Kilstein you're talking about. They live in these insulated things like I was saying Jamie Kilstein used to live in. They live in these insulated environments where they think they're right. They think they're doing the right thing by behaving like this. But it's so short-sighted.

And again, I don't try to make a character judgment on them. But to me, in my mind, again, with what are my own eyes, I think the biggest threat to this country is political correctness and safe spaces. Yeah. I truly think that teaching people in that manner or getting them, not getting them, allowing them to think that that is how the world outside of that environment operates is setting you up for a very long term failure because you're going to just get crushed. Because there are plenty of other entities throughout the world that will look at what you're doing and say, oh, that's awesome. You're just teeing it up for me. That's a complete vulnerability. They're going to leverage that against us and manipulate, not manipulate, just attack the fact that those people feel that way. They'll take it as a weakness and they'll

leverage that for their success. And with them, we're fucked. Yeah. I don't necessarily think we're fucked because I think there's enough people that are paying attention that think it's terrible. And there's a lot of us. But I think that when something like 9-11 happens, one of the things that I thought that was really interesting right after 9-11 was this rallying cry of patriotism. Like everybody had an American flag on their car. I was like, this is interesting to me. Did they have them hanging over the overpasses up here in LA? Oh, yeah.

In San Diego? In San Diego that week. I would say it was about a week after 9-11. I have never in my life felt a level of solidarity of just not only that, but people were nicer. They were nicer. They weren't really worried that you cut them off in traffic. It's, you know what, take the parking spot. Yeah, you know, you can put your cart in front of me in the grocery store.

It's not you against me. It's us against them. How fleeting was that, though? Pretty fleeting. But it was amazing during that time period, too. The overpasses in San Diego, American flags hanging out. Like, not just an American flag covered the entire thing. It was unbelievable.

It lasted longer in New York. New York, it lasted for a long time. Well, they kind of had a daily reminder. Yeah. The feeling there was unbelievable. It lasted longer in New York. New York, it lasted for a long time. They kind of had a daily reminder. Yeah. The feeling there was different. They were just, it just changed the way New York City was. New York City was almost like a village. It's like a friendly village that had been attacked.

And everybody was like super thankful that they were alive and supportive of each other. And also the solidarity. You know, Sebastian Younger is a war journalist. You ever heard of him? I've listened to every podcast you've done with him. Restrepo is one of my favorite documentaries. He's fucking amazing. His book Tribe changed the way I understand that.

I'm like, oh, this is a natural part of being a human. And like we were talking about these reward systems that are built into animals that allow, you know, tigers and like they don't get the natural release. These natural reward systems, for good or for bad, human beings are designed to deal with conflict, real conflict. And when we don't have real conflict, we make up our own bullshit conflict. And when real conflict shows itself, then everything sort of normalizes. And for good or for bad, we haven't evolved past that.

Whatever our DNA is, whatever our programming is, almost at a cellular level, we're designed to have a certain amount of risk. And when we don't have that risk, we don't have that danger, we don't feel good. And you lash out at people with your egg icon. These motherfuckers. I'm going to kill you. It's easy for you to say, bro. Unless you were here in my face, and then I icon these motherfuckers i'm gonna kill you easy for you to say bro unless you were here in my face and then i wouldn't say that i'm gonna kill yeah it's it uh yeah that was a great i mean i remember watching the second airplane go in live

standing in an apartment in san diego thinking this might change some things yeah yeah i remember uh just waking up someone Someone called me. Where were you living at the time? I was here. Yeah. I was getting some phone calls from friends. I was like, what? Turn on the news.

Turn on the news. He turned on the news and just having it all sink in. Like, what the fuck? Yeah. And then me and, man, I used to have a picture of it. Me and Eddie Bravo and Joey Diaz went to get burritos. And there wasn't a fucking plane in the sky and we're hanging out that day because all air travel had been suspended and we were just hanging out thinking how fucking

bizarre it is we're like dude are we at war like what how is this gonna change everything did Eddie feel better because there weren't any contrails up there he wasn't the same guy back then he wasn wasn't that deep into it? No, no. He liked aliens back then. Oh, fuck. He was into, like, Nibiru. He, as he became older, he became way more conspiratorial. I have a hard, I know I've texted you before, like, hey, does he actually think those things, or is he messing around? He loves conspiracies. I think he thinks of them almost like some people like paying attention to sports.

But then there's also like Illuminati stuff that he legitimately worries that like Hillary Clinton is going to off him. Because he talks too much shit about. Like I fucking, I think it's entirely possible that Clintons are murderers. I think it's entirely possible. Themselves or outsourced? Outsourced. Yeah, I don't think they have the Clintons are murderers. I think it's entirely possible. Themselves or outsourced? Outsourced. Yeah, I don't think they have the stones to do it themselves. No, I don't think so.

I don't think so, but I think they've definitely made some calls or at least had some meetings. There's too many bodies. There's too many people attached to them that were in critical positions that either, like one recent guy vanished. There's that Seth Rich guy who's a guy who worked at the DNC that got shot. There's enough of them. And they go away. The stories go away. The one that I pulled up the other day, who did we do on the podcast?

Was it Callan? The guy who had dirt on the Clinton campaign. It was Callan, yeah. He's an academic. And he vanished. The guy vanished. You don't hear about it. This guy was about to give dirt on the fucking Clinton campaign. It was. He's an academic. And he vanished. The guy vanished. You don't hear about it. This guy was about to like give dirt on the fucking Clinton Foundation.

And they're like, whoops, he's just not around anymore. Can't find him. I think their ability to hide, not just theirs. This guy. Yeah. Academic at heart of Clinton dirt campaign vanishes, leaving trail of questions. Is he still missing? Oh, this is a part of the Russia investigation.

That's right. It wasn't the Clinton campaign. It wasn't the Clinton foundation. Yeah, he's gone, man. He's fucking missing. Poof. I just think it's amazing the ability for people to have the public face and then who they are. I have, uh, I have not personally had any interactions with Hillary Clinton, but I have some firsthand friends that have had direct interactions with her from either a security detail perspective or being on the ground and securing an area that she was traveling through. And the public face that she puts on and how she treated those individuals up to and including people that were tasked with her personal security up close detail.

The stories that those people have would melt your hair. But none of those stories come out. There's the person that she portrays herself to be during the election cycle. And this is who I am. And then you talk to all these people who live at a day to day level with these people. And the difference between the two is like sitting there trying to broad jump the Grand Canyon. It absolutely blows my mind. The stories about her in particular and her hatred or what they had told me her hatred for basically and essentially people in military or people who were there to support her doing her job. Just the anger and vitriol that she would attack those people with on a daily level is unbelievable. Anger at the military and anger.

100%. She was literally campaigning to be the commander-in-chief yep of the military yep just because it comes out how did she behave to them uh one of the best stories that i have was i won't say the agency that the person worked for was basically she was exiting the White House and He said good morning, mr. Clinton and he was in a uniform at the time and she stopped and turned around She said hey once you go fuck yourself Don't talk to me when I'm you know in going in between place a to place B Wherever she was going got back in her car fuck yourself

More that I have that version of a story again not personally for me I'm basically saying the things that I've heard other people say to me in confidence directly but they're uniform these stories correct uniformed whether that be it could be a military secret service fill in the blank they wear a uniform also in the way these stories she 100 it's exactly the same behavior when the cameras are not rolling and it's fucking terrifying because, yes, she is. She is campaigning or was campaigning to be the commander in chief of from what I can tell. Again, having no direct relations with this person, a person that despises almost I would I would describe it at that is what the organization stands for. Unbelievable.

I'm not surprised. unbelievable i'm not surprised what stunned me is how the left was willing to just absolve her of her she was against gay marriage until 2013 her obvious belief system the like who she actually is versus like what she you don't know like what she's doing is being a slick politician just like her husband publicly she's the tide she will she'll rise and fall with whatever the trend is but the 2013 thing like the fact that like how could who who the fuck who's educated who the fuck who's a democrat at 2013 still thought that a marriage should be between a man and woman who gives a shit yeah like she did because that's what she does. She licks her fingers.

She finds out where the wind is blowing, and she goes that way. And when you see the difference between what Comey said about the investigation and what the investigation had found on her emails and what the illegal activity that she had participated in versus what she said, with the deleted emails,

the 30,000 deleted emails and all that stuff, there's a video that shows what he said versus what she said, play them back to back with each other. It's like how anybody could support her. The idea that you wanted someone other than Donald Trump, I get it. The idea that you wanted a woman, a historical first for equality. I get that too. But this is not your one. There's got to be a lot of women out there.

The two choices we had out of what? 360 plus million people now yeah, God do insane it just it's proof that the system is broken. Yeah, I agree It's compromised for sure You know the only thing good about having a guy like Trump in is he's not from the system Is that he used all of his money and kind of jumped in and the financial system is still being supported obviously because he's a big Part of it, but the political system is still being supported, obviously, because he's a big part of it. But the political system is in chaos. I mean, he's not a part of that at all and never was. So besides donating money to them. Yeah.

That was the only thing that people thought was a saving grace about him being in office. Like, let's see. But I think he's crazy. I think he might literally have dementia. I just wish that somebody would grab his phone. They do. They try. No, just like real quick and just modify the app so but before he hits tweet it goes to like one or two people who give it just a quick

sanity check and then they're like yes he would check proof he would check twitter to make sure it's up he checks he checks his comments he fucking blocks people i know people are proud about that i've heard you talk about and i've looked at like I'm blocked by the president's like man but again, I look at that as People have their head down not paying attention to what they should be paying attention to because in those seams of people Losing their mind over a tweet What the hell is getting passed through in regulations and bills and I'm like it that's shit that scares me The EPA shit scares me the most because you know and, and what they're doing with the national monuments.

There's people that are, they had a meeting this morning. Let me show you what he did. Yeah, what did he do? Two different parks that, I can't remember them, but he shrunk them by a whole lot. Yeah, pull it up. It was like 1.8 million. Yeah, it's very scary. He's carving out land and national monuments for privatization. And there was one that they were talking about in Alaska.

It's very close to a gigantic salmon fishery. Trump shrinks Utah monuments in historic move. I wonder which one. Make that bigger, please, so I can read it. If only the sandstones could sing imagine the stories they'd tell of dinosaurs mammoth hunters and ancient ones known as the Anasazi.

All roam southern Utah over the eons long before the Native Americans struggled to hold their land against the Mormon settlers. Modern life and now Donald Trump. Scroll. As President Trump arrives in Utah Monday afternoon this rocky corner of the wild West is a battlefield once again. But this time the warriors will carry briefcases and lawsuits.

Trump, by signing two presidential proclamations on Monday, shrunk the size of Bears Ears National Monument by more than 80 percent and the Grand Staircase Escalante National Monument by roughly 45%, fundamentally reshaping the two large national monuments. Man, fuck that guy. I mean, can you give me a why other than – For business. I was going to say there's got to be an economical motivation behind that. It's got to be resources. It's got to be national resources.

It's got to be minerals or oil or something like that so and that's my thing like why so if you go to fox news right every every leading above the break article is hillary this hillary yeah why and why is that not leading because they're not really americans they're little puppets i mean this idea that they're there just for America. No, you're a puppet of the GOP. That's what they are. They're not really American. They're fucking corrupt. They're corrupt as everybody else is.

They're the worst. Like that, the thing that you, if you're, you have blind allegiance towards the president when he does stuff like this. That's crazy. You have to call. And some people do. Like that Shepard, what's his name? Shepard.

Shepard Smith? Yeah, that guy. The perfect eyebrows. He calls the president out. Okay. I don't know if I've ever seen his eyebrows, but I'm going to take it. He seems like he could have been one of those guys

that was upset at Hillary Clinton up until about 2013. Yeah, I think I hear what you're putting down there. But again, you know, so people are losing their mind about tweets. And then the monument got cut by 80% and another one by 45%. And I mean, and that's one example. I don't know.

And I agree through, they are corrupt. And what I have found in myself, and again, what I think is dangerous is that I've stopped paying attention. Yeah. And as soon as that happens, I don't know what the hell is going on. Yeah. That's what happens with a lot of people. And a lot of people just want to, I mean, you feel like you can't do anything other than vote, right?

Vote and protest. And you have a job and a family. How do you have time to protest? And so a lot of people shut out because they just don't feel like they can represent their opinions in a way that's going to be meaningful and impactful. Yeah. It's just, it's a terrible job. The job of having one chief monkey that controls 300 plus million people.

It's a good definition. Yeah, and then here's the thing. If you are the chief monkey, if they show that you're a liar, if they can show, if there's like proof that you're a liar, you should be removed from office. If you get, if you are in court right

and you swear on a bible and you commit perjury you'd go to jail like why is swearing into office for the united states why is that less of a like a situation where you could be charged with perjury? That seems to me to be far more significant. You're literally in control of the country. You can do things like this fucking thing that he signed that shrinks these monuments, these horrible reductions in the power that the EPA has. The fucking Environmental Protection Agency is to protect our very environment. He's like, no, no, no, we don't need that. We don't need

protection. Trust me. We got me. Yeah, you would think that he would be held more accountable because the stakes are so much higher and it affects so many people. Yeah, I mean, the amount of lies that he's told since office, they're stunning. And you could just get away with them. You shouldn't be able to get away with lies as a

president. I think lies as a president and willingly lie is one thing to being misinformed, but willingly lying as a president, if they can show that you had information to the contrary of what you're saying, you should be removed from office. It should be a disqualifying factor for sure. A hundred percent. Yeah. A hundred percent. But we've never had someone that lies this much.

We just don't know about it. Well, no one has been able to be proven to be this much of a liar. we've never had someone that lies this much. We just don't know about it. Well, no one has been able to be proven to be this much of a liar. We've never had that. Where someone lies so much, you're like, why? There's a website that was documenting the number of times Trump lied. It was like they documented all the Trump lies over the past year. And it's crazy. of the Trump lies over the past year.

And it's crazy. It's just so frustrating. As of June 23rd. Oh, my. Every day, here's a different one. Yeah. I mean, what's that? What's the website called?

It's from the New York Times. It just says Trump lies on top. It's an opinion. Yeah. I mean, scroll up and we could make it larger so I could read it here. Yeah. I don't know, man. I don't want to. I don't even want to read them.

I'll just get super depressed. Well, the only issue I have with that is that people are really quick to jump on that bandwagon. And all I would say is you should be prepared to have that level of scrutiny thrown back on yourself. True. Because, I mean, how fucking long would everybody else's list be? You know what I mean? That's the one thing that I haven't... But once you get into office...

For sure. ...would that list be the same? Like, if you knew, like if I say, Andy Stump, do you swear to take the office of the United States President and do the whole thing, handle the Bible? From there on, you've got to know that you have to keep your fucking shit together. 100%. You can't lie. Yeah.

I agree. And like I said, I'm not, I'm just, I wish people would take that level of accountability on themselves as well, too. I think the country would be a better place if people acted as if there was an organization ready to write down a list of their deficiencies at any given time. I think you're totally right. I think you're totally right. I think you're totally right, but I think that what we're seeing is, for the first time, a president that is showing why we have a real flaw with this idea of one person being the chief dog. I think he's scaring the piss out of people.

Usually the topic swings back around to nuclear weapons or nuclear war. Can this one guy really go and just hit the button? Also, the real problem is this guy is very strategic. I mean, he's thinking he thought about reelection. He filed for reelection almost immediately. Oh, did he really? Yeah. There's a strategy for that, too, meaning that, like, I forget exactly what the strategy is, but it's in terms of how people are addressing him and how people are talking against him

because they would be running for president. They would also be, if they're running for president, because he is a presidential candidate. There's like certain rules to behavior. And this is very calculated. Yeah. What a chess move, man. It's a very, it's a big chess move. So this is what disturbs me the most about North Korea, because there's one way to ensure that people want to keep the

same president. And that way is war. Once you are in a war, say if we are three plus years in, he's campaigning for president again, and it escalates with North Korea. The propaganda escalates, the lies, the bullshit, and who knows? Who knows what the fuck happens? And then all of a sudden there's actual military action. That is going to ensure a re-election.

I think. Or it would... I could see that. Or it would flip everybody against him. I could see it swing in both ways. It could. It depends on how scared people are. It depends on if we get attacked.

If we get attacked if we get attacked I guarantee you he wins again Because nobody's gonna want Bernie Sanders. I'm going to go there. I'm gonna promise them equality I think if we got attacked by North Korea Yeah, his escalation might be nuclear in in level and then it's we're all we're glowing in the dark Yeah, if that shit works if his stuff works i don't know that's i tell you what though you want to talk about a war that i would want no part of north korea oh daddy yeah no thank you rugged terrain controlled environments no thank

you very much and they got some big old armies just call on elon musk and send in the drones get those boston dynamic drones that can do backflips. Get those fucking new robots that they have. I tell you what, right now the drones are carrying the lion's share. Are they? Yeah. I don't know if people realize how much, I mean, it's they are carrying probably the lion's share

of the kinetic activity throughout the globe. I mean, they're doing as much as they can with that. Really? Yep. Like how much drone activity do you think is going on that we don't know about? That we don't know about? I have absolutely no idea. Because we don't know about it. I would have to imagine that it is substantial.

It's less risk from a risk-to-force perspective. Because if you're looking at it as you're the person who has the drone, it's less risk because you're not putting a physical human being at risk or launching a force or an asset or a helicopter that could fill in the blank go wrong. And then on the other side of that risk, though, is that how are you really sure the person that you're going after is there? Are you really sure that they're alone? Are you really sure that you can action this target in a way that's not going to have collateral damage? there's two different tides of uh two different sides of the risk and i think that right now the american populace would probably rather not see flag drake coffins and just assume that business is being taken care of it's so disturbing the idea of that getting turned around on us is even more disturbing

i think about it from that perspective if somebody launched a tomahawk missile into downtown or not tomahawk because they're not on hellfire hellfire there you go or jdm or fill in the blank yeah in la china flies a drone over or whatever north korea flies a drone over and they just juice the u.s bank building in downtown la how would we respond to that it's a i mean i sit back and i i freak i kick my i just do mental judo in my head trying to figure out what the hell i did with almost 20 years of my life and did it actually do anything important and where is everything going? And like, what in the fuck was I doing for so long? I struggle with it quite often. How so? I worry that, so my biggest fear is that my children would have to finish something that

I started. But I also think that the success that we had as a military drove the creation of the enemy that we're fighting. We took an organization that was largely geographically co-located and we were so effective at finding them when they met in groups of people that they splintered and they spread apart, which is why now it's more effective to fly a drone over, as an example, Yemen. I have no idea if that's happening, but it's easier to have a drone over Yemen than an aircraft carrier sitting off the coast to do something about it. So now we have an enemy that was in a couple of countries that's now in 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 countries, and you can't really cut the head off of that snake anymore. And I look at, did I do anything that made my kids' lives safer? Did I do anything that made my kids' lives safer? Did I do anything that made your daughter's life safer? And I would say in the moment, I feel like I had a difference in the moment.

But I think in the grand scale of things, looking back, that everything that I was involved with, I almost think that the tide has washed it away. And it's very frustrating. How so? Because I was only able to impact the battle space that I was physically in. Right, but imagine if you weren't there. Well, and so... And imagine if others like you weren't there.

The role that we played, I think, is absolutely essential. And looking back on my career, I think the role of what I did was to create space and a barrier and a boundary so people in this country could be complete cunts and complain about their rights and freedoms and oppression and inequality. So we have to create an environment where those things can thrive and flourish and be in a melting pot and figure out who we are. So we have to have that role. But I just, what frustrates me is seeing what's going on in the country or in seeing what's going on in the world and thinking that I was involved in something that was important.

But just realizing all I was was a point in time of sticking my finger in a dam that had 15 different water spouts coming out of it. Right. So you didn't have a total solution, but you certainly mitigated the problem. We mitigated the problem only but in that moment in time. But if you weren't there to mitigate it in that moment in time, who knows how much it could have escalated. Who knows? But who knows if the time that I was there mitigated the problem or kicked the football down the road and made it worse. And it's a problem that your kids or mine are going to have to solve in the future. And I don't know those answers.

I don't. I really. I was 100% and still am 100% committed and very proud of the actions that I took, because at the end of the day, I made the decisions of my actions. I got to wear, I was super lucky and privileged to wear the American flag on my uniform. And I got to be the example and the beacon of what I wanted the U.S. to be every time that I got, I mean, I would encounter people who didn't know what the U.S. was. They'd never seen an American before.

And how I acted was the U.S. to them. So I think it was important, and I'm proud of those things. But I just hope at the end of the day, I made a difference, you know, instead of trying to run uphill on a soft sand berm and go nowhere. Isn't that part of the problem with military action too, is you don't really know what the result is ultimately going to be. I mean, everybody hopes and you're in, you know, there's two sides, right? Correct. They both hope that they win. You don't really know what the fuck the result's going to be. And it's not a difference in commitment on either one of those sides.

People need to understand that as well, too. It's not that I was more committed than the people that we were engaging with on a battlefield or anywhere in the world. It's a difference of opinion. They believe what they believe just as much as you and I believe what we believe, whatever the issue may be. And I don't know. I'm not – I can't say who's right.

You know, I just did the best that I could do to try to fight for what it is that I believed in. And I don't know. It's tough at the end of the day to sit back and think and be like, God damn it. What did I do with my time? Yeah. It is – it's a daunting feeling to think that there's never going to be a time when we really are at peace worldwide i don't think we ever will be but i also don't think we ever have been no i don't think we ever have been either but do you think we ever would be if we would

were attacked remember that last uh one of the reagan speeches where we talked about uh how quickly we would put our differences aside if we were attacked by an alien force from another world. I think it would change some things. Instead of being local in San Diego and having, or in LA, the flags up, if the entire world was challenged with something that we had to come together with, I bet you there would be that feeling and it would cross probably any and all borders. The UFO dorks, though, they grabbed that. They thought, oh my God, this is proof.

This is proof. is proof reagan knows reagan knows but i i do feel like almost like what we were talking about with 9-11 right like that being attacked made people more more acceptable to each other more they felt more connected to each other you know let people in front of you on the highway that kind of shit hey when you have your mortality in your life thrown in front of you, I think it creates a palette that is much easier to appreciate the little things. And I don't think most people experience that. Is it weird for you when you, you know, you've spent so much time in combat

and spent so much time overseas to come back and see all these people that really don't know the darkest side of the world currently? I mean, people have a view of what the earth is in 2017. And if you live in San Francisco and all you do is, you know, you work at Silicon Valley and you hang out in the tech industry, you think this is the world in 2017 because this is your world. Yeah. This is your insulated world.

Like we were talking about, you don't really know the world until you go into the forest. You go into the forest, you go, oh, this is the world too. The back country is still the world. It's just, oh, this is what it's really like when we don't have these artificial structures. And when you spent so much time in combat and you come over and you see all these people that are fighting over these insignificant things

and squabbling about the use of the preferred gender pronouns and all this crazy shit that people find significant today. It is very challenging for me to listen to the things that people feel are important. And the lack of, I would say it's the lack of what I would consider to be perspective. And it's funny if you do say I did 17 years in the military, let's say a guy does 20 years, you actually don't spend that much time in combat. Let's say you do a six month deployment, you're working even at every night of that six month deployment, which isn't going to be the case. So every other night, so now you're working 90 days

of that time, you might spend 30 minutes in combat in those 90 days. Multiply that by 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 deployments. In 20 years, that's your total time combined in an actual combat environment, not a theater of war, but a combat environment where you're directly involved in it. But that time period, for me, changes the way that I view the world. Not only that time period, but just the time spent in those countries and seeing what's the standard in other countries and what's the standard here. And when I hear, and again, I think we talked about it before, you know, people talk about inequality or oppression here in this country. And I'll be the first to admit that there's inequality, which is fine because there's inequality everywhere. But let's take a little bit of perspective here.

If you are fortunate enough to wake up in the United States of America, the water that you sit down on the toilet over to take a shit is cleaner than most of the water people on Earth are going to have access to. You go to Starbucks and you pay more per ounce for a cup of coffee for the fluid than you do the gas coming out of your pump going into your car that exceeds the annual income of most people on the face of the planet. You living in a first world country where instead of spending your time trying to find

that water, you get to spend your time sleeping in line in front of the Apple store waiting for the new iPhone to come out. And then you have the balls to bitch about how bad you have it. That to me is a super tough pill to swallow. Because you want to talk about oppression, and, you know, suppression of freedom of speech, I've seen street corners, they're still read from lopping dudes heads off because they voiced opinion that was counter to the opinion of the day. That will change your perspective on whether or not words hurt you and, you know, what rights actually mean. And you'll be like, you know what?

What you say is actually really offended. You know, it's offensive to me, but I'm glad we live in a place where you can say those things. Moving on with my day. How much does that change your perspective on human beings when you're in those environments? What you think a human being actually is? I have an inherent distrust of most human beings. If I'm being totally honest, I don't want to say that I'm antisocial.

My wife would say that she probably wishes that I was more social. But I just kind of just take a step back and just try to avoid interactions with just about everybody that I encounter. try to avoid interactions with just about everybody that I encounter. Well, I would imagine that your spectrum is so much wider than the average person's spectrum in terms of the atrocities that people are capable of committing. You've seen, I mean, most of the time, right, you're operating in this one small little sort of village in the spectrum that most people are that are in civilization. You're in this one little tiny area, but you've seen the full thing. I mean, you've seen horrible, horrible shit.

Yep. That's got to, I mean, there's no way that wouldn't have some sort of effect on how you would approach people. Well, like I said, I have to, it puts me in a position where I almost have to sit back and I have to bite my tongue because I don't share the opinions that most people share. Because if the military service that I have gave me anything, I think it gave me a different perspective on the world.

And it's only because I traveled to more of it than I think most people get the chance to do. And I got to see more of it not through my phone and my Instagram screen, but through my own eyes. And that – all it really did is just changed my value perspective of life, of the little things. It just – it makes it it makes it hard sometimes was there like a single or any significant moments that you can recall that really shifted the way you think about things and what perspective just mean knowing that people capable of horrible shit. I think the times that got me the most on that is where you would see adults talking kids into becoming suicide bombers. Just the evil, evil motherfucker who, instead of having the stones to come and face you,

will go and try to talk some innocent kid into strapping on a suicide vest or a suicide belt and walk into a crowd and clack it off. I mean, that, that is to me the most insidious type of evil because they, they're not willing to actually engage in themselves. They want to prey on victims. And I, that's, if I, if there's anything I hate in the world, it's that it's the victimization of innocent people watching that and seeing that that forever throws a different shade on your glasses for sure just knowing that people are capable of doing i i am i am not surprised by any human human behavior that i see which doesn't necessarily make me any more prepared but i also probably in the back of my head have a different thought

process when i enter into situations it's not not like, oh, hey, everything's gonna be great. Like I get my plan to kill everybody first, and then I relax a little bit. Yeah, who said that? Probably Tim Kennedy. Yeah, have a plan to kill everybody in the room. But, and that's the thing, and if you- Yeah, was it McMasters? It might have been.

Yeah, be friendly, be courteous, but have a plan to kill everybody in the room. And if you're around human behavior that would put people on their heels and turn them white in the face long enough, that is going to become your default position, whether or not you want it to be or not. I'm not in a violent person. I'm probably the last person you could draw into violence, but I'm not also surprised by violence and I'll react to it accordingly if I encounter it because it doesn't surprise me. Right.

So. Yeah. I would just think that, I mean, I've just got to believe that a person like you that has experienced that insane level of cruelty and evil, that your view of the world, that you would be really intolerant to people that do have this sort of narrow minded view of the world, that you would be really intolerant to people that do have this sort of narrow minded view of what the United States is and our role in the world and how the rest of the world views us and who the rest of the world is. And I'm incredibly appreciative that they live in a place that provides an environment for them, that they can have that narrow minded

view. I'd rather them be that than have that place not exist. You can be the biggest asshole you want to, and I'm going to sit back and be grateful that that place on earth exists for you to be like that. You know, and I understand the idea of the non-interventionalist foreign policy that if, you know, we never were in these places, we would never have issues. And I just- Which is 100% false. It's just another way to look at yourself as a victim.

Is it? I think so. In my opinion, yes. It's easier to blame. Oh, well, if we didn't do this, then they wouldn't do that. No. How about real evil does exist, and there are always going to be people who want to do something about that, regardless if you're a pacifist, you're a Catholic. Fill in the blank.

You will have your access somewhere on earth, and they're coming for you. Well, it's also those parts of the world in particular are so ancient, and people have been living there for so long. I believe that they have the echoes of the past in them so deeply embedded in their culture and their actions. I mean, you're talking about parts of the world that really they've had people living there for 5,000, 6,000 years. about parts of the world that really they've had people living there for five six thousand years and the the ancient barbaric instincts of those people just have got to be those those echoes have got to be sort of reverberating through those cultures some of them are very interesting i think one of the biggest difference differences um that i saw between ir and Afghanistan and the United States.

And, you know, a couple, I actually know definitely those two countries in the Middle East is that there's just a different appreciation for life. There's less of a value of life because I think they almost find or expect that it's going to just end sooner. It's very, very different culturally. And yeah, I don't know. I don't know if that oil in water will mix or if it ever can mix, or we need to have a third party that acts as something in between that allows us to gel or make, I don't know. It's, I don't have a solution for it. That's for sure. And when you look at like how long there's been conflict in the Middle East, it almost seems like an insurmountable issue. There's been conflict with man since the history of man.

Right. I mean, and so I say I think we're in a forever war right now. We probably were in a forever war before. It's just I think the face of warfare has changed along the way. And the access to information about that has drastically increased, which changes people's perception about it. Right. Like we're always involved in some sort of a conflict, but what we think of as a war is when we have our troops over there, our citizens over there enlisted, then we say, oh, okay, well now

we're actually at war. Yeah. Yeah. And this war, especially what's going on in Afghanistan has been going on for so long. Yeah. Coming up on 17 years. That's so crazy. Yep. And what's happening over there? I mean, what are we accomplishing? I don't have a complete answer for that. In my opinion, I would say that they are trying to do their best to stabilize that region of the world by supporting the government would be my best shot.

Just murderous, murderous in the sense of not being able to describe it properly. Explanation of what's going on. And Iraq is the same way. Don't think for a second that we ever had boots off of the ground in Iraq. It's just talked about a lot less. We still have a presence there, but people don't understand. We still have a presence in Korea.

We still have a presence in Europe. That's how long you have to stay if you're willing to invest the time for stabilization, which the US military, I would argue, is not very good at those type of operations. You can do it. But you could also probably do open heart surgery with a shovel too. It doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be the cleanest. So you should probably have a military and then you should probably have some sort of fix-up crew. I mean, I think they try to do that with all the non-government organizations or other government organizations. I just think it's really difficult.

And, you know, in the Middle East, like you said, you're talking about people who have been there for 5,000 and 6,000 years. The 17 years that we've had a presence there, they're like, talk to me later, son, when it's at 1700. Yeah. I don't know how the solution for it at all. I mean, it's, these are the things I think about. The solution might be moved to a town of 22,000 people. You're goddamn right it is. It might be.

Just disengage. I do better. Try to enjoy your time. I do better with it there. Try to enjoy your time. I'd do better with it there. But, I mean, I'd spend an inordinate amount of time thinking about that stuff, trying to make sense of that amount of time in my life. How could you not?

It's 20 years of your existence on planet Earth. Almost, yeah. That's a lot of time. Yep. And it probably would have been more if you didn't get shot. Well, I actually nursed it out for eight more years after I got shot. I did another deployment after I got shot, which was probably not the best call because I had some residual effects from it. And almost got to the point where I was like, okay, I need to call a helicopter in and come pick me up because I'm inhibiting the other people that I was with. Wow.

I didn't want to be done. I mean, I got shot, I got shot in 2005. So I was 27, super, super young in comparison to where I am now at a place I wanted to be operating at a level that I wanted to be operating at. And then, you know, I'm in an Indy car doing 800 around the track and it's like, oops, just put it in reverse by accident. There goes the tranny down on the track and just to try to rebuild that. And it took a while, but yeah, I ended up strapped it on one more time. And then at the end of that, it was like, okay, I can't do it. Why did you want to go back?

Like what was, what, I mean, this was something that Sebastian Younger talked about a lot in tribe. I think for me, it was more, I needed to, I needed to do it for myself. Uh, when I got shot, it scared the shit out of me. There's a lot of times in the movies there's this just blind heroism and it doesn't matter what's going on. And you're like, I'm just going to run through the hail of bullets. Well, I was flat on my back. And when the round hit me in my hip, by the time I hit the ground, my first thought in my head was that my femur had just been shattered.

And I was going to bleed to death in the space of your hamstring and your quad. You can fit your entire blood volume in there, but I'll be dead in about a minute. That's what I was thinking in my head before I hit the ground. And then what ended up happening that night happened. Eight people ended up getting wounded. I was one of the least wounded people. So they were flying people out on helicopters. I got put into a Bradley fighting vehicle and taken to the green zone in Iraq, but it scared the crap out of me. And not only did it scare the crap out of me, it absolutely crushed my confidence in my ability to do my job, which up until that point, I thought that I was at the very least competent and capable of doing my job. And I had, everything was going great up until that moment. And then it didn't.

And I had nothing but questions and a void that I had to pull myself out of. And it was probably very selfish in my desire to go back and my desire to continue doing what I was doing. But I had to build myself back up to a point where I thought I could operate again. And I remember very distinctly back up to a point where I thought I could operate again. And I remember very distinctly going back to Afghanistan in 2010 and standing outside of a door, getting ready to go into a door on a house, thinking in my head, do you still have it? And then going into the door. And I needed for myself to do that again, to, I guess, regain for me a sense of who I was and to regain my confidence. Wow.

What did you fear would happen if you didn't do that? I feared that I wouldn't know who I was because when I was younger, I'll be the first to admit that I believe I put too much weight into what I did as opposed to who I was. I put too much weight into what I did as opposed to who I was.

I had too much attached to being a SEAL. It was, and I, and I, again, in my opinion, the problem that I see with people that struggle when they get out of the military is if they attach too much of their identity to an occupation that they've walked away from, they really struggle most times, not always, but most times. And those people can end up getting themselves into some pretty bad positions. And when, for guys who get out from that career, when they go off the rails, fuck me, they go off the rails in a big way. Cause we have two speeds. We have fifth gear and hold my beer. That's the only two speeds that we have. And I thought i had lost that and i had i was at a

point in my life where like i said i was where i wanted to be doing what i was wanting to do i thought i was doing it right and i mean it i thought i was going to die and 36 hours after getting shot i got off the stairs of an airplane in virginia. And my wife had my son in a stroller and was pregnant with my second, my middle son. It just was such a bizarre series of events that happened so quickly. And I went from going so fast to nowhere, to having nothing to do, to not understanding why I couldn't train my body to get back to where I was. It was the only job I'd had in my adult life, other than working for my father. I had too much invested in that occupational title. And I think one of the best things that I was able to do in my military career

was to survive it and get out and to move on. That's one of the hardest things for fighters as well. That's a big thing with MMA fighters, boxers too. They just don't know what to do when it's over. They become these incredible winners in this one avenue. And then once that's done, they rarely achieve that same kind of success in anything else. Well, they're probably not thinking about anything else when they're in the middle of fighting, which is very common with people in the military too, because the job does require a very focused myopic sense of drive. This is what you need to do, especially in the SEAL teams. It's the team comes first, team gear, personal gear, then take care of yourself. Worry more

about the person to your left and to the right, and then worry about yourself. You know, consider the impacts of your actions and your words on the people around you and then on yourself. So it's very, it is very driven down into a laser-like focus, but that's also required to survive and thrive in those environments. But if left unchecked, you'll end up at the end of your career, not prepared for the next phase of your life. And say you do 20 years in the military, which is what you need to do to get a retirement. You join when you're 18. So, hey, you're 38. Well, the average lifespan of an American is what, 80, 85? You got a lot of time left. What are you going to do? And if you haven't thought about it,

it's, it's, I see guys who struggle. I see guys, and I struggle myself, but I think I, I think I went through that struggle while I was still in. And I think that struggle allowed me to lift my chin up just a little bit to look around and start thinking about the future. You're a bad motherfucker, Andy Stump. Let's wrap this up.

I don't know about that, but. I do. I do. Let's wrap this up right there. Cool. Thanks, brother. Appreciate you, man. Yeah, thanks for having me.

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