The Joe Rogan Experience - #1069 - Ben Greenfield

Episode Date: January 29, 2018

Ben Greenfield is a Coach, Author, Speaker, ex-Bodybuilder and Ironman Triathlete. In 2008 he was voted as the Personal Trainer of the Year by the National Strength and Conditioning Association (NSCA) and recognized as the top 100 Most Influential People in Health in 2013.

Packoats are supposed to be amazing, they hang out with you. Yeah. 5, 4, 3, 2... Ben Greenfield, ladies and gentlemen. And we're live. Hey. Yo. So, it's been a lot of fun hanging out with you for the last 44 minutes.

That's a sick game you have out there. Yeah, it's pretty fun, right? I need to build a really, really big, like, 67-yard long living room to put my big screen in now. Yeah, that thing is crazy. We're talking about this game called Techno Hunt that we were just playing. So, dude, you are an interesting fucking guy. You do a lot of weird shit. No, thank you, I think.

Yeah. No, it's good. Yes. It's a compliment. I'll take it. Yeah, interesting is a good thing. But your background, you were just telling me, this is very fascinating. You live way the fuck out in the middle of nowhere.

Well, it's Spokane. Right. Spokane, I mean, we have a theater. But you're off the grid. And we have restaurants. We have a theater. There are actual people there. Two restaurants.

Yeah, there's a theater. There's a little five and dime store and a general store. Spokane's a normal place. It's pretty normal. But you're totally off the grid. Well, up at our house, we are. We're solar panels and well. store uh spokane's a normal place it's pretty normal you're you're totally off the grid well up at our house we are you know we're solar panels and well and the way i have it set up is we eased in power from the local municipal power but if that goes out then it hits the solar inverters

and we're full solar so then there's there's like a battery panel in the garage that stores the solar because we're on like a north facing slope so you get sun from 10 to 2 right so we can't collect a lot of solar but you store it in the battery so it's it's there so you got to be very judicious with yeah your laptop use yeah well we uh if you want to go off the grid totally it's a stupid home so there's there's no wi-fi there's no bluetooth so everything's like it's it's hardwired metal shielded ethernet cable that's through the whole house because i don't like to have like wi-Fi signals bouncing around. Really?

I don't feel good. I've always wondered about that. What is that doing to us? Well, I actually just read. There's a really good new book that came out. It's called The Non-Tinfoil Hat Guide to EMF. I think it's the full title of the book. But it goes into this idea of what are called voltage-gated calcium channels on your cell membrane,

and those actually get affected by Wi-Fi. And apparently you see like a change in the electrochemical balance across the actual membrane in response to things like Wi-Fi. Apparently Bluetooth affects red blood cells. And I haven't seen a lot of like actual, you know, in vivo research on that. But I know that I feel better when I don't have, like, the Wi-Fi router going or, you know, I turn off everything at night. There's kill switches in all the bedrooms. So you walk into the house and it's just super clean.

You know, everything's HEPA air filters, negative ion generators, no Wi-Fi, no Bluetooth. We structure all the water that comes in from the well, so it's the same. It's got like that, have you heard of structured water before? Yeah, I've just heard about it because Eddie Bravo just got that installed in his gym. Yeah, it's kind of cool. I mean, the idea behind it, there's this cat up at University of Washington named Dr. Gerald Pollack, and he has done this research that shows like in plants or vessels, like blood vessels, for example, there's an exclusion zone of water.

I mean, there's like a positive charge on the inside and a negative charge on the outside. And that might be backwards. It might be positive on the outside, negative on the inside. But either way, it causes fluid to move through vessels in a way that allows it to move more easily, like the water is actually charged. So apparently when you drink structured water, it hydrates the cell a little bit better. Huh.

Yeah. Sounds like it might be. That's apparently how water moves through plants. That's one of those things that you hear, and then you talk to a scientist, and they go, no, and they get mad. So I don't know. Well, I interviewed that guy, Gerald Pollack, and basically what he's compared to how it moves in glass tubes

and how if you structure it and you watch it, the water moves up through the glass tube way, way better. And then I interviewed this guy, Thomas Cowan, and he talks about how the heart is not really a pump or doesn't act as much like a pump as we're led to believe. And so if you, if you drink structured water, apparently the blood moves better through the vessels. So I haven't seen a ton of research on it, but I structure my water just because it's cheap. It's like a, it's like

this tiny little like plastic piece that you put on, on your, on your water. What exactly is it doing? So the water passes through a series of glass beads like it vortexes it so after it so it comes out of my well and i've got i tested my water and i've got like a bacteria-based iron and high levels of manganese like i thought well water was just all like pristine clear like you know like if you drink out of a spring on top of a mountain right but uh apparently there's there's crap in the well water so i filter it and then after it all filters, it passes through the structured water filter. I would imagine that

you would get some stuff in the water because if somewhere along the line there's a dead animal or beaver fever. Yeah, there's dead animals all over my house. Just piled everywhere. Carcasses. I'm very careful. Outside the woods. Well, then the other thing is what I get concerned about is

You see glyphosate and herbicides and pesticides They get sprayed all over the crops And I live in farmland territory So I'm on this north facing slope And there's all these farms above me So I figure if that's dropping down Through the ground into that water I might be getting some of it

So I filter Yeah that totally makes sense I know a guy who got bone cancer because he lived off of a golf course. And the golf course is constantly spraying stuff on the golf course, and it got into the water supply. And a bunch of people in this neighborhood got cancer. Oh, really? Like it happened to more people?

Yeah, a ton of people in the neighborhood got cancer. Wow. Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy. No, what I tell people is, like people who don't have a well and who just live off the municipal water supply,, you use a reverse osmosis water filter because it's a really, really fine filtration. But it takes everything out. Like, it takes the bad stuff and the good stuff out.

So you want to add minerals back in after you filter the water. So you get a reverse. And you can buy these on, like, Amazon. So, like, a reverse osmosis filter with what's called remineralization. So like a reverse osmosis filter with what's called remineralization. Or you can just use reverse osmosis and then use like trace liquid minerals or sea salt or anything else to add electrolytes back in your diet. I know a lot of people put like a pinch of Himalayan salt in the water. Yeah, I go through so much salt. I use this stuff called Mexican salt, Kalima salt.

I was actually at a steakhouse last night. People make fun of me because I pull out my big white bag of salt and I just sprinkle it on everything. But I'm a fiend for salt. love salt it's very good for you and unfortunately there's been a terrible myth that's been perpetrated a long time ago that salt gives you high blood pressure and it kills you and yeah that's a that's a real tragedy because that's one of those ones that it was it was spread in like probably what was it the 60s or the 70s when they started telling people that salt causes high blood pressure? I have no clue.

People still repeat it today, and they don't understand it. It's an essential mineral. Well, there's a new book out about this. I forget the name of the book about salt. Have you heard of this book? Yeah, I've heard of the book, but I don't know the name of it either. But it depends, too, because I used to do racing for Team Timex. I used to do these Ironman triathlons, and they'd bring people in to test us. And they would do sweat-sodium analyses, where you actually get a patch put on your skin and it measures the

amount of sodium released over X surface area of skin. And then there's an algorithm that determines like how much total sweat you lose, say per hour during exercise. And some people lose a copious amount of sodium in their sweat and some lose barely any at all. So you have like a sodium conservation mechanism that differs from person to person. So there might be some people who store salt really well who might actually get higher blood pressure if they consume a lot of salt. So if you have a massive excess of salt in your time. Yeah. My numbers were off the charts though in terms of how much sodium I was losing, which is probably why I feel so good.

Well, that makes sense. You're sweating so much, right? I mean, it's just going right through your body. Yeah. Plus it tastes amazing. I'm happy to die of high blood pressure just because I feel so good. Well, that makes sense. You're sweating so much, right? I mean, it's just going right through your body. Yeah now It tastes amazing. Yeah, I'm happy to die of high blood pressure just because the salt just I know I'm a big fan I love kosher sauce to these two paid and they pay like Roman soldiers and sure in salt Oh, yeah, they went to war for salt. Yeah. Yeah, they scary. I take salt I mean, it's really kind of amazing that it was just less than a 200 years ago that they figured out how to Like make refrigerators and I mean there's a frigerator from the 1930s

I think it was when when did they first invent those things and then before that they had ice boxes you'd have to get a chunk of ice from somewhere right have to get a store stuff before that they just use salt yeah and I've heard I don't know if this is true but I heard that if you come from an area like if your ancestry is from an area where they did a lot of that fermenting, pickling, curing, salting, that you have more robust sodium loss mechanisms. Like, which would make sense for me. Like, I'm Northern European heritage. I did a lot of, like, pickling, salting, curing. So I would lose more salt than somebody who might have come from, let say like a sub-saharan African or Southeast Asian or somewhere they might

not have been using so much salt yeah that totally makes sense yeah so with this Wi-Fi thing I want to go back to that because I've always wondered there's there's not a long history of use of human use of Wi-Fi and one of the things sounds so it's done so we're talking right there's a lot of a lot of studies on that either 90 year old dudes running around that have been doing stem cells for 60 years. Yeah. But the Wi-Fi, it sounds hippy-dippy, but if you go somewhere like Prince of Wales, Alaska, and you're on a mountaintop, it feels different. Oh, it totally does.

There's no radio. There's no Wi-Fi. There's no direct TVs getting to you. There's nothing. And it feels different up there. Well, you're also, I mean, like you're grounding and earthing, right? And you're breathing a lot more negative ions because you're outside in the fresh air. Really, for sure.

And you don't have all the emails jumping out from your inbox. There's a lot of confounding variables. But, I mean, all I know, and I test, you ever tested heart rate variability? No. Do you know what that is,, you ever tested heart rate variability? No. Like it's the, do you know what that is? HRV? A lot of athletes use it. I've heard it, but I don't know much about it.

What does it mean? It's the interbeat individuality, like the variation in the amount of time in between each beat of your heart. So it's not like how fast your heart is beating. It's how much time is in between each heartbeat. So you can measure that and you're supposed to have like slight beat to beat variation in how much time is between each heartbeat. And if you have that, that's high heart rate variability. So you can use that to track your readiness to train your recovery.

Right. So I use you know, I use like a ring like this or I'll do like a heart rate in the morning. So aura or a ring. Actually, have you heard of this thing? No, but just go out going on your website is such a mindfuck. I got it out of a Cracker Jack box. It's a power ring. It's a mood ring. I have seen one of those. Someone sent me something.

They don't just use rings, right? There's like other methods of measuring it as well? Oh, yeah. Like you can use a Bluetooth-enabled heart rate monitor strap. That's what I used to do is you wake up in the morning, you put on the strap, and you test your heart rate variability. And it tells you, you know, if it's low, you might say, okay, well, today is going to be like a yoga day or an easy swim or a walk in the sunshine. And if it's high, then that would be a day where you'll do like kettlebell training or a WOD or whatever it is that you're going to do.

And then the other thing you could use it for is if you'll sometimes purposefully get it low, like have some athletes that I train where we'll work them into a state where they've got really low heart rate variability. And then what happens is you taper, right? Like you recover, you rest, you super compensate. So you see a bounce back of nervous system recovery. And you can use that to purposefully adjust the training. Huh. Yeah. And if you train through a low HRV for too long, you can predict illness. You can predict injury. So it's a cool way to track training. Huh. Yeah. And if you train through a low HRV for too long, you can predict illness, you can predict

injury. So it's a cool way to track training. And you can even, you can look at, there's a high frequency and a low frequency component. When you're saying you can predict illness and injury, like how so? Meaning like my HRV is low, but screw it, I'm going to go train anyways. And you do that day after day, you get injured. And the weird thing is that you can have no musculoskeletal soreness, right? Because a lot of time that subsides, you know, delayed onset muscle soreness,

you see that disappear after like 48 hours. And if you've crushed yourself, like we can talk about this later if you want, but I've been doing single set to failure, right? Single set to failure exercises where it's just like a 15 minute long workout, but it's just full on isometrics as hard as you can go for 60 seconds to two minutes. Isometrics. Isometrics. So you're pushing against, it's like this force plate machine that you push against and you just generate as much force as you can. And it ties to your iPhone and it alerts you when you've dropped off 60% of what you're originally producing at the beginning of the set. And then that's it. Set's done, game game over so you might do deadlift squat press overhead press pull down and that's the whole workout and then you're just recovering in between each of

those sets so this plate i mean how are you doing a deadlift with a plate it's a force plate so for example you're standing you'll have like a bar okay that you're holding on to and the bar is attached to the force plate via two stands on either like two pillars on either side of the bar. And you pull the bar, and then the force plate detects how much force you're pulling. And what position are you in in the deadlift? You're standing on top of the force plate. You're supposed to choose the hardest position of each exercise. So like halfway in?

So if I'm bench pressing, it's like my elbows are slightly bent just near the top. Or squatting, it's like the knees are bent at about 30, 40 degrees. So you get into that position, then you generate as much force as possible for 60 seconds or not. When I first did it, I was at 30 seconds. Now I can go a little bit over a minute where I can continue to generate as much force as possible before it drops off to just 60% of what I was originally producing. It's a cool, efficient way to train, but you don't get that sore afterwards. So musculoskeletal soreness is not a good indicator of recovery in many cases, and that's where this HRV thing comes in is your nervous system,

your central nervous system, your neuromuscular system can be really beat up after a workout even if the soreness has subsided. So that's where you use something like HRV, and you can say, okay, well, I'm not sore, but my HRV is still low. So this is going to be an easy day for me. I'm sorry to act like a moron, but explain that one more time. So if your body is not sore, but your HRV is low, what is it showing? What's an indication of?

So if your body is not sore, but your HRV is low, HRV is measuring your nervous system recovery. So you might not be fully recovered. So what I'm saying is like musculoskeletal soreness or discomfort is not necessarily the best indicator of whether you're fully recovered. You have to test the nervous system too. That's so weird. I've never even heard of someone doing that before. Like an HRV measurement comes in and coming full circle, I've noticed when I do those morning measurements and I'm traveling or I've got the wifi enabled at my house, my HRV is low. So it's affecting my nervous system somehow.

Do you think the Wi-Fi is a mind fuck? Do you think it's really doing something to you? I think it's doing something, but then there's the placebo effect. I feel it. Do you feel it in this room? I feel really, that's. I'm trying to feel it. That's why you're a moron right now.

You've got the Wi-Fi going. What's going on, Jamie? What do you got there? This is my HRV off of my iPhone. Oh, you just... What did you use? Did you use the fingertip? I have my Apple Watch.

What? The Apple Watch tests your HRV? Yeah, so it's been doing it the whole time I've had it on. But it's paradoxical because the Apple Watch is making Wi-Fi. Jesus Christ, you can't win. It's so confusing. God damn it, Dan Greenfield. No, that's what I was talking about, this ring.

I bought this in Finland like three years ago because I wanted like a body tracking device I want to track my HRV and I want to track my sleep cycles But I don't like sleeping all night cuz like I sleep with my kind of like my hand tucked down by my dick You know like him in by my cry. I don't want something just like sleep I kind of sleep on my side dream my hands tucked, like, underneath me. And literally, like, my right hand is right down around my balls, basically, while I'm sleeping. And I didn't want something just, like, blasting me while I'm sleeping. Yeah. Because if it was on my wrist or on my finger or wherever.

So this has, like, a built-in computer, and you can put it in airplane mode. And it will still collect all the HRV data and everything else. computer and you can put it in airplane mode and it'll still collect all the HRV data and everything else then when you want to take it out of airplane mode and sync it to your phone and upload all your sleep data or your HRV data or anything else you can do it so but that's that's why I wear this ring instead of like a Fitbit or a jawbone or or Jamie's stupid Apple watch I never know whether or not I'm being ridiculous with this stuff like with worrying about phones being I mean like if you have butt cancer.

Because some dude told me that once, that he got cancer. I think it was testicle cancer on his right side. And the guy was saying, do you keep your phone in your right pocket? He's like, yes, I do. And the doctor was telling him that. I was like, how the fuck does the doctor know? This is not proven stuff. This is all real speculation, right?

I mean, it's tricky because you could say about the bone cancer on the golf course, right? It's tricky because you can say about the bone cancer on the golf course, right? But a lot of people got it. I think there was a class action lawsuit there because I think they tested the water and it was whatever the fuck the stuff that they used for fertilizer or pesticides. That's what I was telling you. I was concerned about the dick

cancer thing because of the stem cells. Right. Well, you shot stem cells into your dick. Well, for the past three months. Please explain. So Men's Health Magazine just had me write this article called New Year, New Dick. I'm serious. It's the issue with Marky Mark Wahlberg on the cover.

How appropriate. Yeah. Like how to make a small dick bigger, right? And you put Marky Mark on the cover. And now he can beat me with his four-foot-tall fisticuffs. Anyways, though, so they had me go around doing everything that a guy could do to enhance sexual performance or increase the size of your dick or increase blood flow or increase orgasm quality.

They just wanted to find out what everything from, like, freaking gas station dick pills to, which, by the way, those things do not have in them what they say they have in them. What do you think they have in them? So they say like epimedium and urochima long jack and horny goat meat extract. Yeah, it's basically freaking sildenafil, right, the active ingredient in Cialis or Viagra, and then ephedra and copious amounts of caffeine. So I would take these things and just literally feel like my head was going to explode.

I mean, it's like drinking 10 cups of coffee. Yeah, we have a friend of ours who predicted accurately that John Jones was taking those things when he pissed hot because he was like, those things have everything in them. And he's like, if John Jones does coke, he goes, I guarantee you he's taking dick pills. They're actually pretty entertaining to read because it's like reading a Chinese fortune cookie. It's like maximum potency, vigora, and everything's spelled wrong. But the, so they had me doing that. Did you do an analysis of the ingredients?

Did you actually get it tested? No, no. We went to all these labs. They wouldn't let us actually test, but apparently the FDA has tested them. And if you go to the FDA.gov website, they have, like, these warnings out about the actual ingredients. We took the five that they had warnings about and tested them. The dangerous ones. Yeah.

And they, yeah, you don't feel well. You feel like your head's going to explode and your hands get all cold and clammy. And some of them say, I don't know why, but they say to take them in the morning, right, which doesn't, to me, make sense. But you take them in the morning, so you just feel completely screwed up. All day. The whole morning. It's like you're just mainlining coffee so they did that they did um have you heard of this like acoustic sound wave therapy for your dick i'm serious i'm sure you are okay so i'm not even gonna answer no no i have not so this this is a clinic in florida it's called gains wave and

you go down there you go down there and uh and walk in, and the first thing they do is they hand me this, like, syringe full of numbing cream. And I'm supposed to just, like, put it everywhere. And so I smeared it, you know, my balls. Like, I just went everywhere because I didn't really know what they were going to do. And I wanted all shields activated going into this thing. So I walk into the room, and my dick's all numb. They had me lay down, and so my legs are splayed. I'm on this exam room table, and this gal comes in,

and she's got, like, this giant wand attached to a machine. And they do this for women, too, by the way. They put, like, a condom on the end of it. And she just basically goes to town for, like, 20 minutes, like a jackhammer. It was, like, brrrr, like, everywhere. Just around your dick? For 20 minutes. Are your balls?

Supposedly, yeah. Everywhere. Supposedly, it breaks open old blood vessels and builds new blood vessels and once the numbing cream wears off you're supposed to to perform a lot better and then they combine this you know we were talking about like with your shoulder if you inject it you should do like electro stam or vibration or something to to get the injection deeper into the tissue. Same thing with this. They do the PRP. So they do PRP into your dick, and then they follow it up.

And you get a nerve block first. I thought, I don't know why, I thought they put the needle just like right in the pee hole, which to me made sense, but it doesn't really. I mean, you want it in the actual tissue. So they actually go like up where the dick attaches, like the tissue at the top. They do two nerve blocks on either side and then the PRP. And later on, like a couple months later, they had me do stem cells. They actually extracted fat from my back and we did a stem cell injection.

But this acoustic sound wave therapy with the PRP, like it wears off and you literally just like get boners all the time. Like all night long for like a month. so the acoustic sound therapy is supposed to be breaking up blood vessels breaks open old boy vessels Jamie found it yeah gains wave procedure breaks a plaque formation in blood vessels and stimulates the growth of new blood vessels in the penis low-intensity extracorporeal shockwave therapy hmm That's going to sell a lot of procedures. I like the drawing. Before and after.

Before your veins are all tired and skinny. Yeah, before it looks like an old hunched over man. Then all of a sudden, vigor. It looks like a bodybuilder vein. Yeah, I used to do bodybuilding. So is that... It's a horrible sport. Do you think it's real?

Do you think that's really doing something? It worked for me. Okay. It worked for me. Okay. It worked for me. So, yeah, they did the gas station dick pills. They did the acoustic sound wave therapy. But the acoustic sound wave therapy was the best. The PRP injections.

They had me do like the, no, the stem cells were the best. Stem cells were the best. Stem cells, but not everybody's going to be able to do that. But that was the best, bar none. So I went down to Florida. Of course, again, Floridaida i don't know what i think it's because all the old people live in florida florida's just crazy it's like all the people like hunched over the steering wheel but all the guys have great dicks they

can't drive they have their blinker on for like two miles before they turn but their dicks are are primed so the um the stem cell thing was at the u.S. Stem Cell Clinic in Florida. And I went in there and they extract all the fat. For me, they took the fat out of my back. And what they do is they have, it's called an enzymatic process where they use something that breaks down the collagen in the fat. And then they have the stem cells that get separated from the fat. And apparently it's very, very high in these angiogenic,

like vascular vessel building compounds. And so then you get that re-injected. It's high in the mesenchymal, the MSC, the MSC cells, which are supposedly the very good ones to inject in. So I injected those, or I had a doctor in Spokane. So they shipped them to Spokane on ice, and they show up at my house at like 7 a.m., right, because you've got to get them delivered same day. And then I had my appointment at the doctor at 9 a.m., and I went to the doctor,

and it was like deja vu from Florida, right? Like I go in, do the numbing. Does the doctor know you're going to do this? Oh, yeah. The doctor in Spokane? Are you friends with Like I go in, do the numbing. Does the doctor know you're going to do this? Oh, yeah. The doctor spoke in? Are you friends with the doctor? Yeah. Yeah, there's a picture. I think there's a picture of him in the magazine.

Because they put all sorts of crazy pictures in the magazine. Because they had me doing like infrared light on my balls. And I have this big thing called a juve light that they had me standing in front of every day. A juve light? I'll tell you about the stem cells. I'll tell you about this juve light. Yeah, let's go one step at a time. Because it's crazy. So juve light. I'll tell you about the stem cells. Okay, yeah, let's go one step at a time. Because it's crazy.

So the stem cells, I went to this doctor in Spokane, and he injected these stem cells from my fat after they'd grown for like several, in this case, I think they were down there for like eight weeks. But, I mean, they can do same day injections, but for me, I didn't have enough fat. Because for me, it was't have enough fat. Because for me, it was right in the middle of I race professionally in obstacle course racing. So I'm just like, lean as hell as I go in there. So they could they could barely get enough fat. So they had to grow them for a longer period of time. A lot of times they can inject same day. So I went into Spokane at this clinic in Spokane, Lanoue integrative clinic. It's like this osteopathic medical clinic with all these, you know, nice receptionist when you walk in the door

and this, this this doctor who he's done stem cell injections before, but he never actually injected them into someone's dick. So I was kind of like the guinea pig for this. So do you have to explain to him what areas you're supposed to inject into? No, he researched it. And I think he actually talked to the folks at the stem cell clinic beforehand to make sure that they were on the same page. He said, I'm going to fly all the way back down to Florida. That's super inconvenient. And it's just a dick. They'll make more someday.

They're growing kidneys and ears. Yeah. I'm sure they'll grow dicks someday. So I got it injected, and that was, first of all, it looked like it got run over by a semi-truck for like two days. It was like all black and blue where the injection site was. Yeah. Yeah. I'd be super nervous. the injection was. Were you nervous? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I'd be super nervous. Like what if it got infected? It could have gotten infected. Oh, what if you got MRSA in your dick? I could still get dick cancer. I've had MRSA and I would not wish MRSA on your dick.

How'd you get MRSA? Uh, a triathlon. Whoa. I got it. This was at the, at the wildflower triathlon, like coming back,

my flight got delayed and I was covered in all these, cause like an-road triathlon, and I had all these scrapes and wounds. And I think my layover was in Vegas. I don't remember where, but I had to check in a hotel. Flight got delayed, and I slept in this hotel room that I swear, like, there must have been something on the bed. Because within a few days, like, it was all, you know, it gets all nasty and cakey, and then it was eating a hole. I wrote a whole blog post about this on my website. You can find that. I need to see this.

Yeah, pull up the hole in the back of my leg. It's nasty. Marcia scares the shit out of me. Just search for, like, Ben Greenfield staff, and you'll see the pictures. But it was eating a hole in the back of my leg. And my kids roll now once a week, and I get the defense soap from on it. As soon as they come back in the door, I'd have them go into the shower upstairs and rinse down.

They have a bunch of different wipes and stuff for people that train in a place that doesn't have a shower. You've got to be careful. That and Thieves essential oil. It's like a whole bunch of companies make this version of essential oil called Thieves. It's like clove.

It's named after these thieves. Clove, yeah, clove, cinnamon, eucalyptus, which is really good for staff and rosemary. It's actually named, there's like this story of like these four thieves that apparently traveled around the world and they would rob homes and they never got sick. Like that's basically the story. I'm sure this was some board table at a multi-level marketing essential oils company. Somebody that's basically the story. I'm sure this was, this was some board table at a, at a multi-level marketing essential oils company. Somebody came up with this story or it could be true. I don't know. But the, um, yeah, the, the stem cells into the dick, that, that was an

interesting one, but it did. Um, I think from what I can tell looking in the mirror, it got bigger. I'm pretty sure. How much? Half inch? Oh, like maybe that much. Quarter inch? Like enough to tell. And my erections got bigger and my orgasms got a lot better. For how long? They're still like that.

Still? Yeah. So it made your dick better. So I think the stem cells kind of like stick with you. Whoa. Well, last week I got them. I told you I'm training for the RKC kettlebell cert. And I was doing the 100 reps in five minutes snatch test with the one and a half boot.

And I felt something just go. I was at 84 reps and I felt something go in my back. And I got stem cells injected all up and down my QL, my multifidus, my erector spinae into my psoas. But then they also sent them to my house. And I did that same fat cell, the stuff that's rich in the mesenchymal stem cells, into the bloodstream. So I did a push IV into the bloodstream. That's the one that you would have to go out of the country to do normally.

You're not supposed to do that. It's technically not legal for someone to inject you with your own stem cells into your bloodstream, but if you get your stem cells extracted and they're stored and they send them to you, you can technically inject them if you do it yourself or you have a friend who's a nurse or whatever. And it's literally just like a push IV. It's like 30 seconds. We caught it all on video for Men's Health Films. So they'll publish a video at some point.

But I was super nervous because it's like a few thousand dollars worth of stem cells that I you know, I'm trying to hit the vein and make sure that they go in the right way and then inject. It's a very, very small amount. Well, you had to be the most nervous getting them shot into your dick though, no? I was kind of nervous. Yeah. Yeah. That seems to me like super experimental. I do a lot of that though. I mean like that, that's kind of my shtick, right? Like I do a lot of immersive journalism, a lot of self-experimentation, a lot of guinea pig type stuff. Yeah. And I'm not dead yet, and I still have my dick, so. Oh, you look great.

I'm happy. Yeah, thank you. You look very healthy. Thank you. I'm 22. Oh, there's a hole. But I'm actually, oh, yeah, that's, is that, yeah. Is that him?

That's one of them. Yeah, that's an image from my website. That's not as deep as it got. I don't think that's the worst photo. The worst one I've ever seen is Kevin Ramlin. Kevin Ramsey stuff it with iodine like they have you had it before no they have like these long iodine strips when you get the MRSA and it's like it's flesh-eating bacteria yeah there's that's me too and they stuff see that hole in the middle yeah they stuff like iodine it's like a

stick in there like a strip that has but they literally stuff it in there and you can feel it. You got, you were telling me you got dry needling done, you know, like that weird pressure. It's not like pain, but it's like a weird pressure from dry needling. This is like that except pain, right? Like it's both the pain and the pressure. It was horrible, horrible. Like, yeah, I've had some friends that have got staff in their leg where they have like a small golf ball-sized hole in their leg, and they literally had a packet full of that kind of gauze covered in medicine.

I don't like how you say small golf. Golf ball is a big hole for the back of the leg. That's a golf ball, but it's like smaller than a golf ball, like a large marble. Any hole in the back of the leg, in my opinion, is too big. The worst I've ever seen is Kevin Randleman. See if you can find Kevin Randleman's staff. He had open holes where you could see his muscle structure under his armpit. It was horrific.

Oh, my gosh. He never really recovered. He wound up dying young. He died? He died young. From that? Who knows what he died from, but look at the hole. I think I still have it.

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. That's his muscle tissue. That's Kevin Randleman. What body part is that? That's his underarm. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, look at that.

Oh, my goodness. Yeah, that's how bad it was. That looks like he got shot. He does. Yeah, he was rotting away. And I don't know if he didn't treat it quick enough, or I don't know if it was just really aggressive, but it's a real common thing in gyms.

And once you get it, it stays with you. It stays in your bloodstream. I still have an essential oil diffuser on my desk and I put thieves in it every day and I just diffuse essential oils. In the air. While I'm working. Into the air. Yeah, it's like a nebulizing essential oil diffuser. And I just, just to play it safe, right?

I just want to be breathing that in every day just in case. Fuck. That's, and that's the other thing is I stand in front of this light, this infrared light. And this is that. What's this, dick light again? It's a dick light. What's it called? It's called a juve.

And so they've done these studies on testicular and sperm production. And they found that there's a wavelength. It's like 600 to 800 nanometers wavelength of light that if you expose the testicles to that for 5 to 20 minutes a day. It's based on this concept of photobiomodulation. So I originally got into this whole photobiomodulation thing when this company, because I blog and people just send me these weird things to my doorstep to try. And they sent me this like nasal probe that you put up your nose and it's got like a helmet on it. You could look it up, Jamie, if you want. It's called a violite. helmet on it. You could look it up, Jamie, if you want. It's called a violite. And it produces this light that supposedly activates a part of your mitochondria. So you have like your electron

transport chain in your mitochondria, and there's a part of that called the cytochrome C oxidase. And it apparently activates more activity in the cytochrome C oxidase to produce more ATP, in this case in neural tissue, because you have it on your head. And they were using this in dementia and in Alzheimer's patients, but it turns out it's almost like because you have it on your head and they were using this in dementia and in Alzheimer's patients, but it turns out it's almost like a like a nootropic for you. Yes. That's me at my desk Whoa, I was a young Chinese woman I like how that guy's just like looking pensively off this cause reading a book. She's reading a book. She's reading Twilight See, that's what I originally did

They sent me just the nose one and I felt shorted because I they had the full head, so I asked them for the full head one. This is so fucking weird. I know, and you can feel it pulsing. I think it was NPR. It was either Radiolab or what's the other science one? I think it might be Radiolab. They did a study or a story on this 10 to 40 hertz frequency. Nine volt nirvana.

Yeah, we talked about it. No, that's TDCS. Oh, that's right. That's transdermal stimulation. I have one of those, too, the transdirect cranial stimulation, that halo device that you wear before a workout. Do you use that thing? No. Well, it's one at a time.

We'll get to the halo thing. One at a time. So this photobiomodulation, I'm putting this thing, the know, the probe in my ear. Right. And you're not even supposed to use it too much because it produces so much ATP that if you amp up cellular activity in neural tissue too much, you produce too many reactive oxygen species. Like that's a byproduct of cellular metabolism. It's just like if you eat too much, you produce a lot of byproduct of making energy. And that's why it's one of the reasons why fasting is good for you. It cleans up the system and you don't make as many free radicals the same reason like ketosis is good for you right you're not burning as much glucose you

don't produce as many free radicals same concept with this you don't want to use it all the time because you get too much activity you produce too many free radicals or too many reactive oxygen species but every other day use it so new year new new dick how often did you use it? Well, this was from my head. And this was like a couple years ago. But it's the same thing? This was a couple years. And it was like a cup of coffee for my brain.

Like every time I'd wake up, I'd put this thing on while I'm working at my desk. So then this company that makes these lights that are very similar activates cytochrome C oxidase, activates release of nitric oxide. But if you do it on your testicles, specifically the cell that it works on is the latex cells in the testes, which are responsible for producing testosterone. So you're basically stimulating the latex cells in the testes the same way that you'd stimulate like neural tissue using this one for your head. So I'd had success with the thing for my head. So I tried this one for the balls and the dick. And what I did was I would just jack my pants down for five to 20 minutes a day while I'm saying that I'm diffusing my essential oils and I got the thing on my head and um and it works

like you actually get more blood flow I mean I I didn't do a control study just pulling my pants down and standing there for five to 20 minutes without the light on I should I should do that at some point because maybe it's just like the whole you know it's like supposedly going combat style supposed to be good for your dick too just going combat style so there's you with yeah that's me balls out yeah i'm standing i'm standing on my wobble board i got my ball light and um that's actually not my office i was at one of my friend's houses because he had one and uh anyways uh and i'm obviously i'm not naked, but normally I would be nude. And, yeah.

And you just nuke your balls. And you just basically nuke your balls, yeah. And what was the effect? It's like a warm teddy bear. Increased vascularity, better size, better orgasms. I mean, like all this stuff seemed to have a great effect. So all this stuff seems to make your dick bigger and work better. It had some kind of an effect, yeah. So PRP injections, acoustic sound wave therapy, stem cells, the infrared light,

the gas station dick pills, and that's the one I would not repeat. And then they had me do some Ayurvedic stuff, like the no ejaculation thing. It was horrible. Tantric. You have sex, but you pull out. And you squeeze it. It's a book. It's called The Multi-Orgasmic Men.

So I read that and learned how know pull back like like not actually Orgasm right and you like pull it inside and then you finish up and you're just like pissed off the rest of the day Kelly can't sleep at night cuz you're all you're just like what so you could see how it would work But for me, it's like I got kids and my wife and I sneak away to get it on like I want to get it I want the full meal deal like so so I didn't like that, the no ejaculation reverse orgasm thing. What's it supposed to do? Like when you internalize the orgasm, when you keep it inside. So this is all based on Chinese medicine principles.

I think it's called your jing or something like that. But you have this energy, your chi, your prana, your chakra, your life force. And apparently orgasming is and coming, like ejaculating, is supposedly one of the ways that you give some of that life force away. Like you release some of your vitality. having sex, but then not coming, you're actually creating that same hormonal response of oxytocin and testosterone and all these things that we release when we're having sex or when we ejaculate, but without actually giving up that, that vitality, that life force. There was even like, I found, I found like a tables where like, based on your age, there's a certain frequency with which you're supposed to ejaculate. Like, like the younger you are, it's like every two days,

every three days and the older you get like it Gets to a certain point where you're like 70 years old It's like every every month or something like that and so it's it's it's kind of interesting But again, I don't I don't like that like I want I want to own a finish. Yeah, I wonder if I get preconceived Prejudice that you have though like I wonder if you just went into it like completely objectively it would have some sort of a benefit Or maybe you just get like mineral depleted and you lose all your zinc and everything else you need to make sperm and you start to cramp up I don't know to me you'd have to be

ejaculating a lot I think so when you were doing all these different things how much of a time like how much of a buffer did you give yourself in between each thing so it was not a well controlled experiment at all it was like three months just like hey do that hey why don't we try this let's say hey the articles coming out soon we should toss this in there too so they probably pounded it was not a well-controlled experiment and I did a lot over three months like it would have been a lot better just try one thing at a time but I but I would be so nervous I am well hung and very vascular now I'm

graduating experiment so so there's that um so that's called new year so new year new dick and it really did make you dig bigger So do you think there's any help out hope out there asking for a friend guys who have micro dicks micro? What's a micro dick guys are really small penises. I would imagine there's a picture. They could be like great politicians or Influential it says there's got to be some kind of trade-off right It's like if you if you have sickle cell anemia apparently it protects you from malaria so maybe if you have a small dick it protects you from some kind of horrible accident later on in life so i don't know i

don't think so i just wonder like if there's a way to fix that and people if maybe this is the way because i've always felt like that's got to be one of the saddest things it um again like you never know there could be a bunch of 90 year old man walking around with dick cancer 60 years from now who you know heard this and all went and got injected so I will not attest to the safety of it but I can attest the efficacy of it um so that's crazy some of those things would work for look for all those people walking around there all of your listeners with small dicks hmm gave them salvation there's no fellows there's

hope so so yeah that's all. What scares me, though, is that, you know, like, you're saying it still works. Like, it's still. How long ago did you do this experiment? Oh, I mean, like, the magazine is still on the shelves. Like, it just came out. Okay. So, but how long.

This was, like. Several months ago. This was, like, starting. I got the stem cells extracted in August. Okay. Of 2017. So, this is. And then it's, like, the end cells extracted in August of 2017. So this is like the end of January. And then eight weeks later, you got them shot into your dick?

Yeah, eight weeks later, I got those shot into the dick. So we're only dealing with a couple months. And then like six months later, after they'd really grown a lot of these mesenchymal stem cells, I got them injected into my bloodstream and into like that injury that I'm fighting in my back right now. And I'd done some other things before that for, for the back and for tissue, like peptides, like this, uh, uh, BPC one 57 that we were just talking about before. Yeah. Yeah. Which is really interesting stuff. I mean, it's not, it's not intended for human consumption, but it's also not banned by water. I mean, it's, it's actually, it's legal to use and it's a peptide. It's called body protection compound, BPC-157.

And the 157 refers to like the sequence of amino acids that makes up the actual compound. But you can buy it and reconstitute it. And then if you inject it into an area, and it doesn't even have to be like a painful intramuscular injection. It can be like a subcutaneous injection. BPC supposedly stimulates angiogenesis, and it's a natural compound. You find it in the human gut. So they took this same thing that helps to heal the human gut, which is why if you were to consume this in drinking water, it supposedly, and this is in rodent models, it apparently works to like heal up an inflamed gut, you know, colitis, IBD, IBS, stuff like that. But you can inject it into a joint or subcutaneously into an area around a joint.

And it supposedly stimulates the, I feel like this is a repetitive phrase on this show, the growth of new blood vessels. So angiogenesis. And then there's another one called TB500 that they use in racehorses. Thymus and beta. That one is banned by WADA. But similar principle except that one acts on the actin and myosin fibers and actually causes regeneration of those. So you could do both and you get angiogenesis and then also fiber regrowth.

And that's a strategy that would be like pennies on the dollar compared to stem cells and also a far less intensive procedure in terms of collecting your stem cells and also, you know, a far less, um, a far less intensive procedure in terms of like collecting your stem cells. Right. Yeah. And then there's, um, so there's, there's a fat for the stem cells. And from what I understand, if you're going after the anti-aging effects, like the bone is better, like the marrow, like a bone marrow. So I had mine, I had my bone marrow extracted at this place called Forever Labs in Berkeley, California, and they store that. And then what I can do is I can just inject the 35 year old me into my body every year or every five years or whenever I want to put that back in. So I've got bone marrow and

fat marrow stored. Let me stop you there real quick. So they take the bone marrow and how do they have enough to just keep going? Do they somehow replicate it? I don't know the protocol that used to grow the stem. Like I know the fat one, they use like a collagenase procedure that enzymatically breaks down the collagen from the fat and somehow concentrates the stem cells, and you can actually grow them. Like you can actually multiply them. I'm assuming it's something similar for bone. Huh.

them i'm assuming it's something similar for bone huh and the bone would be more for like longevity and anti-aging and then the fat would be more for for joints i know a lot of people got the bone marrow done for injuries yeah yeah yeah and it's supposed to be very painful was it painful for you when they extracted the bone not compared to the dick injections no it's all relative but i'm i've been i've been obstacle course course racing, and I was triathlete before that and did bodybuilding, so I've always done all this masochistic shit. So, again, I think my pain tolerance is high. I'm sure. But the bone marrow didn't hurt that much, no.

It was like they numb it, they go in. The dick one was where there was like that weird pressure, a little bit of pain. I would say that the iodine packing into the staph infection that we were talking about, that was up there. Well, Daniel Cormier, UFC light heavyweight champion, had it done with the bone marrow. And he was telling me it was painful as hell. And he's about as tough a human being as I get. You mean getting it injected or getting it taken out? No, just getting it extracted.

I mean, it's a big needle. He was limping around. He's had it for a while. When I did the stem cell injections, that was cool because they used a digital thermography. It's like an ultrasound. It's like what you would use to look at a baby. But you can see the tissue. You can see the areas where there's swelling or there's like a black area where the tissue is torn up or where there's edema or inflammation.

And you can. And he showed me the video after he did all the injections. You can see the needle like going into the – you can can micro target exactly exactly where you want to put the cells yeah I've done it's very very cool procedure they use that cool yeah thermography yeah yeah it's a cool procedure have you ever done regeneke no you aware of it you know it is it's uh it's one of the things that a lot of pro athletes are going to Germany to get done it's a it's a form of platelet-rich plasma where they heat it up and by heating up the uh the plasma it produces this radical anti-inflammatory property

it's like they extract into this yellow serum they spin in a centrifuge so if you're going to get it done i've had it done on how is that different than just normal prp more powerful more early because it's heated up yeah because i'm PRP before yeah I have as well yeah it's I mean obviously not doctor but according to these doctors that do it and there's a place in Santa Monica that does it called lifespan medicine I've had it done really yeah that for the longest time you had to go to Germany like Dana White flew to Germany to get it done yeah but yeah I'm Why? Because it was illegal in the U.S.? Yes, they hadn't. Interesting. I'm going over to Venice Beach. I'm going to be down by there.

I'm going to these cats at that place I was talking about, the Human Garage. That's an interesting place. If you really want to talk to the guy who does it, my friend Dr. Ben Ruhi is the guy who performs the procedures down there. He's a great guy. He would love to talk to you, too. Yeah, sure. Cool. You'd get a kick out of it. It's pretty interesting.

I'm sure someday I'll run out of stuff to inject into joints, but for now. For me, it really helped me heal a bulging disc in my neck. Really? They go right into the spinal cord. It's great for people that have pretty serious neck injuries and back injuries. Have you tried this thing? I think it's, it's Petticon is the

company that makes it, but it's like a neck traction device. I have one hanging. I have one. So I have that and a yoga trapeze and so I'll hang by the neck that I do this when I get up I get up and I put like a bunch of magnesium on my neck and my back to relax all the tissue and once you get really relaxed and I have this this this vibrator it's a it's like a car buffer for your body so you can vibrate your neck and your back and and you get really, really relaxed. And it's perfect for, you know, for like doing your own deep tissue therapy.

But it vibrates. So I'll do that on my body, and I go hang from this neck thing. And you get all these pops up and down your neck. And it apparently realigns the atlas and the axis and some of the cervical vertebrae. And there's probably a bunch of chiropractic docs who are really pissed off right now because I'm describing this incorrectly, but it feels amazing. Like it just adjusts everything. And then I hang from the yoga trapeze.

Well, what it definitely does is decompress. It definitely decompresses your, I don't know about all that other nonsense, but it definitely, it's stretching out those muscles and alleviating some of the stress that comes from bad posture. And for me, it was a lot of grappling, getting your neck cranked and squished and resisting things. It's kind of similar to traction, and I've really been getting into that. Have you heard of LDOA, E-L-D-O-A? No.

It's like a form of stretching where I actually had a guy come to my house for two days, and he stayed in my basement and we wake up. I've done this a few times. I'll have people come over to me and just like teach. There's another guy who mashes or like use a walker and just like mash up and down your body. But this is LDOA. So LDOA, you'll like push a joint out this way and then out this way and then your feet will be splayed in both directions. There's like 20 different poses that you do, but it's a form of self-traction right so it's like um it's similar

to like if you were to use a monster band to traction a joint have you ever done that like traction your hip with a where you'll tie a monster band around your hip and then attach it to i have not no i've seen people do it like kind of pulls's LDOA. Is that Adam from Mind Pump? Is that the Mind Pump video? I think that's my buddy Adam from Mind Pump. Spinal Health LDOA, E-L-O-D-O-A. Yeah, so that's one of the ones I do in the morning. That's L5-S1.

So they all work on a specific part of the back or part of the body. Let me say it again. E-L-D-O-A. LDOA, L5 or L5 or l five i forget what it stands for it was invented by this guy named guy voyet uh french guy and uh dude you feel amazing you hold these poses for like a minute and it introduces a bunch of new blood flow to the joint they see how he's doing that he'll like put his hand up and traction the fascia and so he's getting this intense pull if you're to do this you get this intense pull on your back i do this one so i get i could show it

to you after but you feel amazing i do this when i wake up now and uh who invented all this stuff this goes back this is like some some french guy invented it and uh i don't remember how i heard about it but i invent or i uh i interviewed this guy named Jacob Schoen on my podcast, and he taught me all these moves and came to my house. And it's another one of those really cool forms of stretching. How often do you do yoga? I have a sauna. Do you do, like, an infrared sauna?

No, we have a regular sauna. I use, like, a near-far infrared sauna. And I go in there because your tissue is very pliable and hot. So I had a crane drop a 19-foot endless pool out in the forest back behind my house in Spokane. And I keep this thing just like super-duper cold. So it's like 45, 50 degrees. So that's like my cryotherapy cold water immersion. How do you keep it that cold?

Well, during the winter and the fall, it just stays that cold. I just keep the lid off. And then during the summer when I'm coming back home and I'm going by the gas station up the hill before my house, I stop and I buy ice bags and I just dump them in there. Wow. So it stays relatively cold. And what I do in the mornings when I'm home is I do this sauna. And you asked about yoga.

I go in there and this is when I do a lot of this stuff, right? Like I'll do some of my yoga moves, some of my Aldoa. There's another really good form of stretching called core foundation, a doc named Eric Goodman. And it's like a form of decompression for the spine. He works with a lot of athletes. It kind of like turns on your glutes, decompresses your spine. So I just use a mashup of all these little moves, and I'll be in my sauna for like 30 minutes.

So I'm producing all the heat shock proteins. I'm getting the nitric oxide, getting the blood flow, and you just feel good when you're in a sauna. So I get all sweaty, and I get kind of woo-woo. I'll sprinkle essential oils in there, and I'll burn like Palo Santo incense and put on – You burn incense inside the sauna? Yeah, it smells really nice.

And you put on beets? Like binaural beets? Yeah, like binaural beets. So there's this guy named Michael Tyrell, and he makes these CDs and these tracks that – Even when you said his name, you lowered your voice. Michael Tyrell. You lowered your voice. Michael Tyrell.

He makes these amazing tracks. And they vibrate at specific hertz frequencies, right? There's this whole idea that like your root chakra, like your fourth chakra, your heart chakra vibrates at 528 hertz. And there's different hertz frequencies associated with different positive aspects of your, you know, it's like a chakra it's like a uh a chakra like right but is that bullshit i mean have you tried to debunk any of that i feel really good i'm just good if i feel good i'm gonna try to debunk it i just do it yeah why not are you doing this with headsets on no that sauna has like surround speakers and so i just i play that through the speakers no bluetooth and no wi-fi jamie just like it's just like my little shitty little iPod shuffle that I plug in and play.

And so I play that while I'm in the sauna and I'm doing all my moves. And then I walk out of my house, go through my office, walk through the forest, and I go and jump in the pool. How far is the walk? And I'll just swim in there for like 50 yards. So you just jump one to the other? Yeah, so you jump one to the other. And no, it's too much to go back and forth. I've tried to just, I got to keep things somewhat, because this is getting kind of complex between like the light on the balls

and the essential oils. Like you got to draw the line somewhere. Stem cells. Sometimes I'll have friends over and we'll vape or we'll smoke in the sauna and then we'll go out to the pool and then go roll around in the snow, then get back in the pool, then go back in the sauna. And I do this and my wife is inside making dinner and we just feel amazing. We got the hot, we got the cold, and then we go in and

we eat dinner. It's amazing. It's my favorite thing to do with my friends. But in the morning, I do the sauna and then the ice and then, or the cold pool. And then I finished with a quick dip in the hot tub out in the trees. Cause I put a hot tub next to the cold pool and everything's like super clean you know it's clean with ozone and minerals instead of chlorine and so you just feel really really clean and I walk in and start my day I feel like nine bucks so I do yoga yeah but it's in the sauna well it sounds like you're just stretching you're not doing like the strengthening poses I do actual like you know what do you mean like standing like warrior one warrior two warrior three like like standing

bow pose head to knee pose like very strenuous i'm not doing like old person yoga no i'm just i do the legit shit listen i know you're a fit guy i'm not questioning your fitness i do a head stand i'm just wondering what you're doing actually in the sauna yeah i make it up as i go i don't know like um i was just based on how you feel. I was speaking in, that's why I'm down here. I was speaking in Costa Mesa a couple of days ago and there was like this,

this banquet dinner as part of the event. I was sitting next to this guy. I'm like, well, what do you do for your fitness routine, et cetera? He does Bikram yoga every day, but like the Bikram yoga,

like all of the poses that are part of Bikram yoga because it's a set series of routines. You've done Bikram before. Yeah. Yeah. It's like 90 minutes. He does that every single day. I did it nine days in a row.

Yeah. No, he's been doing it for like eight years every day. I'm impressed because we did Sober October and we had to do 15 of them in a month, me and a bunch of my friends. Yeah. I wanted to burn it out. So the last nine days, well, I had a few days to go, but for nine days I just said, let me just get these out of the way. And every day I did 90 minutes and it was like wow but it's interesting

because you realize your body can do that it is you just force it I don't like to overdo it though because it's static stretching and we know that can decrease force potential like it can decrease power production if you become too pliable too flexible isn't that the case though, pre-workout? Well, it's the case pre-workout, but chronically, if you elongate tissue, and I don't know if they've actually done any studies on people who have done yoga for a really long time and compared like their vertical jump right before and after, but I just feel almost too stretchy if I get too into it. Like I feel like when I run, it's a little bit more like Gumby running versus limiting the amount of yoga that I do.

That's interesting. That's weird. And definitely, definitely static stretching prior to force production is not a good idea. Right. Like prior to things like squats or something like that. It was like when the lights went out during the Super Bowl a few years ago. You remember that? And you could see on TV both teams were just, like,

standing on the sidelines or sitting on the sidelines doing these long hamstring static stretches. And I wondered why they were doing that, because they were about to get back in and engage in a very powerful, explosive sport. So, yeah, it's dynamic stretching, definitely, prior to force production activities. Yeah, I wonder why they're doing it. Maybe they just have really old-school trainers or something like that are not aware.

Yeah. Or maybe they're just doing it on their own. Before I do that isometric training for power production, I've got two things. I bought this stuff called nose torque on Amazon. You heard of this stuff? Nose torque. It's like smelling salts on steroids. No.

Really? Yeah, a power lifter told me about it. And he would sniff it before he'll go like, you know, rip a 700-pound bar off the ground. And you snort that you open up the cap on this stuff, and it's just like releasing a wild animal into the room. So you release the cap. It's like smelling salt on steroids. And you just want to go kill somebody or find somebody. What is it called?

It's called nose torque or nose turk. Torque. It's something like that, like nose torque. TORK. TORK, yeah, there you go. And so I do that, and then the other one that I just made, you can buy this for like pennies on the dollar on Amazon. You can get these essential oil inhalers.

So here's some guy just smelled it. Here we go. He can't even get it near his face. He's got it way out. It's hard. Like it packs a bunch. But what is it supposed to do? Did he just do it, or is he getting ready to do it? He just opened it face. He's got it. It's hard. Like it packs a bunch. What is it supposed to do? Did he just do it or is he getting ready to do it?

Just open it up. It's like smelling. It's ammonia. So it, uh, I don't know. Chemically, like I would imagine it just puts your sympathetic nervous system into overdrive when, when you sniff all that ammonia. Like he's, he's been really ginger. He's like, Oh, I've done it with some of my friends at restaurants.

I carry it around sometimes. Oh Jesus. You bring I carried around sometimes Jesus I have some out my bow case actually smell it go get it right now you want to sniff it right now on there all right nose torque it's out in the car oh it's in the car it's in you know what we'll do okay it would be boring podcasting plus if people really want to try it they can just buy it on Amazon. So it jacks your system up and excites you and allows you to. So they should be on the field doing that before they. I don't know if I would recommend that.

There are probably some guys like nosebleeds and heart attacks. That fucking smell. The other one is peppermint. Have you ever used like peppermint oil? And they've done studies on this, on peppermint. Have you ever used peppermint oil? And they've done studies on this, on peppermint oil and athletic performance. And what I have is this little, it looks like a little tampon. You can buy these on Amazon. They're called aromatherapy inhalers.

And it's like this little cotton wick. And you put essential oil on the cotton wick, right? So it absorbs into the wick. And then you put the cap on, and you can carry this around in the gym in your pocket. Or I play tennis on Wednesday nights, so I bring it to my tennis matches. And while I'm playing tennis,

I'll stop sometimes and sniff this thing. Kind of say like a wake and alert. And dude, like it's just peppermint. It's just peppermint, but it has this amazing effect. It's like this wakefulness promoting effect. Wow, peppermint. Yeah, peppermint's amazing. I put like, if you get bloating or gas,

you can smear that around your stomach, and it makes it go away. It goes through your skin? It's one of my favorite oils to use, yeah. How does that work? It gets absorbed through the skin. I mean, you know this. The skin is a mouth. Yeah, but, I mean, it gets all the way

into your internal organs? I don't know if it actually goes into the actual stomach, like, through the epithelial lining and into the actual intestine. But it has an effect for sure. You know what I just started using recently is topical CBD. I got some topical CBD and like a roll-on, almost like a deodorant roll-on kind of a thing.

It's amazing. Yeah, CBD. There's one, I use this stuff called bio-CBD and it's turmeric or curcumin with CBD. And, and yeah, it's same thing. It's like a topical. They also do a THC, like THC roll-ons. Yeah, they do that. Another thing, speaking of the, of the sexual performance thing, you can actually buy like

THC sex lube. And I mean, it's like a high for your crotch. Literally you apply it locally and it's like your crotch gets a high. I believe it. You can do the same thing with these little coconut oil, THC suppository. Well, they're not suppository. They're meant for swallowing in the mouth. That's the normal route of delivery.

But you can shove them up your butt like 30 or 40 minutes before you have sex, and you actually get like this amazing high for your crotch. That's just like these THC coconut oil capsules. How'd you find out about that? Just shoved it up your butt and take notes. I just did it. Just put it up there. They have actual bath salts. Not bath salts like the drug but stuff that you put in the bath now that's THC. Really? Yeah they're doing everything out here now it's crazy they've gone hog wild. Out here you mean like California? Well Colorado, Washington. Washington's legal. But the guy that I get my stuff from in hog wild because it's out here you mean like california oh same thing washington's washington's legal but um what the guy that i get my stuff from in california just started giving me this

stuff to put in the bath yeah and you just he's like you got to be careful though because you can get way too high in your bath i believe it your skin with skin absorption yeah you're literally like just like bathing in it like people bathe in in wine in these fancy spas yeah what they bathe in wine they have wine baths. They what? They bathe in wine? They have wine baths, yeah. There's this place I go to in New York City. It's called Aare, spa, A-A-R-E, and they have, like, one of the options to go there is you can just take, like, a bath and wine.

That sounds so, like, Caligula. I know. It's like, bring me the wine and a few virgins and some feed me grapes. Oh, look at this lady. She's taking a drip of it. There we go. This bath is full of wine. Oh, that's this lady. She's taking a drip of it. There we go. This bath is full of wine. Oh, that's so strange.

That's kind of cheesy, though. She looks like a news anchor. Yeah, she does. Yeah, this is like for, yeah. Oh, my gosh. She's eating grapes. There we go. I called it the grapes.

Yeah, it's actually a cool spa. I've never done the wine bath. That sounds wild. I don't know if you'd get drunk from the wine. I don't know if it would actually wind up in your sip. But they use antioxidant-rich Tempranillo grapes. Well, how could you not get some sort of absorption? I'm sure you would get something.

One of the things about the sensory deprivation tank is that through the Epsom salts, your body absorbs a lot of magnesium. Right. I like the magnesium chloride, like using actual magnesium. And I like that because you can get it for... I mean, that's what they use to melt ice.

Like you can just buy this stuff. Oh, like rock salt? Yeah, I know you guys don't melt a lot of ice in California, but like in Washington State, you can buy magnesium chloride by like a freaking like concrete-sized bag, a concrete mix-sized bag of it. And it's the same stuff

that they sell on these expensive websites as like magnesium salts. It's just magnesium chloride. Really? And you can dump that in your, you get way more magnesium than you get from Epsom salts oh well that's really what you want is magnesium like that that's displacing the calcium that's producing the

relaxing effect that's you know it's it's maybe I should add that's my tank magnesium yeah cuz I've already got first to make sure it's not gonna mess up the is there like a filtration mechanism on the tank yeah there's some pretty heavy filtration system but it filters out the epsom salts. I have an idea for float tanks. You want to hear my idea? Oh, of course. Because I just get really bored in float tanks.

Do you? Yeah. Do you ever go in with edibles? No. That's the move. Go in with edibles. You will not be bored. I've only done it three times, every time in Austin, Texas Texas and it's always been like I've been with my wife.

Yeah. I try a lot of people do it with ketamine, don't they? Yeah, that's the guy who invented it, John Lilly's method. Yeah, I have an edible that I make at home

with kratom, which is an opioid-like painkiller. That's freaking amazing. It induces this euphoria like high. And then I add CBD, THC, copaiba oil. Have you ever heard of this? No. Copaiba oil acts on the endocannabinoid receptors very similarly to THC and CBD, but it has what's called like an entourage effect, meaning it enhances the effects of CBD and THC.

So like if you're vaping, you can add like a couple of drops of oil over the top of the herb. Um, or you can mix it into like an edible sleep cakes that you make. Yeah. Yeah. I saw that. Wow. My sister accidentally took one last week and said she had the best night of sleep of her life. Really? And, uh, I don't travel with them cause they, they just smell like you just open up a whip ass can full of weed. you don't you know what you want those in the bow case when you're traveling dogs yeah yeah exactly every day like just a whole line of dogs follow me through the airport run like oj simpson anyways though the um the the uh mix i use is coconut oil and ghee and dark chocolate and a little bit of stevia like i have this butterscotch toffee stevia. It's amazing. I travel everywhere.

I put it in sparkling water. I put it in coffee. It's like an organic butterscotch toffee stevia. Where are you getting that? I'm addicted to it. It's a company called Omica Organics. I actually get it. I get a three-pack.

O-M-I-C-A. I get it off Amazon. It's a vanilla, butterscotch toffee, and plain. If you want to sweeten something, but you don't want those extra flavors best best stevia ever so I put all this in the edible and I have this countertop immersion blender called a magical butter machine and you blend this and it blends on top of your counter for like eight hours and all this stuff mixes together and then you

pour it into molds and you can just put it in the in the freezer and then I keep it in these like little mirror on glass jars so it doesn't into molds and you can just put it in the, in the freezer. And then I keep it in these like little Miran glass jars. So it doesn't degrade. And it's just like the best, best edible ever. So I should try something before a float tank sometime. Oh yeah. Yeah. But return to my float tank idea.

Okay. So I get these ideas when I'm in the float tank and I want to, and usually it's like five or 10 minutes in. So I spend the next 50 minutes trying to remember, like, don't forget this. Don't forget. And I try like these little mnemonic techniques where you imagine like, you know, like an image of what you remembered is waiting for you outside the door as soon as you open the float tank. So it might work for you to remember. But basically it just kind of screws up my whole ability to be able to just like let thoughts come and go and relax so my idea

is this why not have some kind of a recorder yeah like a digital recorder you thought voice activated recording you can get those shit i thought i was the first one to the wall no screw it i've been doing that okay so so like a voice activated recorder yeah do you have one like no i never did because and then you walk out and you just get an MP3 playback of whatever you thought of. I've been trying to figure out what a good one would be and how to set it up in there with all the salt and not have it degrade.

But I think what you could do... You could just figure it out. This is my thought. My thought is a Velcro, like a Velcro patch, slap it in when you go in there and then activate it. You ever see those voice-activated ones with the red light kicks on? I've seen voice-activated recorders, yeah.

I don't want the red light, though. That's why I'm thinking it'd be super easy. Yeah. Well, they make these LED, you know, they're like, you know, because when I travel, I don't like to get all the blue light in the hotel rooms and I'll unplug things and try to make the hotel room dark, right, because when you flip off the lights in a hotel room, it's just like freaking Vegas, right? There's blue lights on the TV and stuff flashing, you know, all place so they make these and I had it for a while I don't

travel with it anymore but it's like a black tape you can put over over things that light up in a room well you can do something like that yeah it's like it's like uh you can uh they're like led light blockers it's like tape basically but you just put it over the cover of anything that lights up you can do something like that on the digital recorder Wow could sell this for millions of dollars well I think the digital recorded thing is a really good idea and someone needs to I need to thank you and I have my idea there's not your idea I'm sure I thought at first when did you first start doing it oh I thought it was like two years ago I got

you dude I've had one of them I've of this like two years ago. I started in 2002. I got you, dude. I've had a tank since 2002. Really? Yeah. I raced Ironman triathlon for eight years and just got tons of sensory depth in the water, just staring at that black line at the bottom of the pool. It's hard for me to just get in water and relax and not feel like I have to swim. I've never been able to get that relaxed.

Oh, that's interesting. So you associate water with the movement because of Ironman? I associate water with swimming. I get in water and I want it. And I love water. I free dive and I spearfish. I read this book, Deep, by James Nestor. Amazing book about all these cool things.

When you go down deep, and he talks about how Olympic athletes are using this now to enhance their performance because your spleen compresses and you produce more erythropoietin, more red blood cells. Same thing that you produce, actually, if you sauna, like if you do a workout and you get really hot and then you go in the sauna after, they've done studies on this and they found that 30 minutes of heat therapy after you've already gotten the body hot, you produce EPO, the same as if you were to use the performance enhancing drug. Yeah, that's interesting. There was a study that just came out about cryotherapy, and this echoes something that Rhonda Patrick was saying,

that if you do cryo, her advice was you should wait at least an hour after a workout before you do it and allow your body to have some sort of effect from the exercise. But sauna, they're saying you should do almost immediately afterwards. So the idea with this, and there was a brand new study that just came out like three days ago where they showed that heat post-exercise enhanced the effects of exercise, whereas cold blunted the hormetic response to exercise, which makes sense. It's the same thing. Inside of a window, though.

It's a window of time. So the deal is you don't want to blunt the hormetic response to exercise high dose antioxidants cryotherapy cold immersion all of that can do this that's a problem with with fighters because a lot of fighters are getting into cold immersion like immediately after workouts exactly so they should wait so you'd want to wait till later on in the day there's no research on the amount of time for For me, what I do, same thing when I do like a hard afternoon workout, I wait a couple hours afterwards because you get a bigger testosterone and growth hormone response when you wait after workout to eat. Actually, Mark Sisson was the first guy who told me about this. And it turns out that there actually is a better hormonal response

when you fast post-exercise. Same thing with antioxidants. There are a couple exceptions I can tell you about. Same thing with cryotherapy. Now, at the same time, if you finish up a hard afternoon or especially like an early evening workout, you have a very high body temperature. So my theory is that a brief dose of cold, like I'll jump in the cold pool and get out, not a full cold, just enough to decrease the core body temperature,

which is one of the ways that you enhance deep sleep cycles. So I also sleep on this thing called a chili pad that circulates like cold water underneath my body while I'm asleep. Kelly Starrett sent me one of those things. Yeah, and the cool thing is like your partner can put their temperature on and I can put my temperature on and you can sleep at whatever

temp you want. So I sleep with this thing. Doesn't it make noise though? At 55 degrees. Yeah's not it's like background noise i sleep with all these you know binaural beats and everything anyway i use this thing called called sleep stream it's like a dj for sleep so i put my phone in airplane mode and then i have these these noise blocking headphones and if you're a side sleeper you can use these things called sleep phones which is like a headband that goes around your head. Anyways, though, back to the not doing the cold after exercise. So you wait a little while, but I think decreasing the body's core temperature is good. So like a cold shower. Cold water immersion also beats out cryotherapy because it's actually more, and there was a study they did last

month on this, that cold water immersion was very effective in reducing post-workout muscle soreness and that inflammatory response to exercise compared to cryotherapy. But again, you should wait a little bit before you do it. You should wait a little bit before you do it. But I think part of that is due to you get like this hydrostatic pressure of water against the skin, right? So it kind of pushes the cold against the skin a little bit better. And then the other reason is that when your head gets wet, when your head goes under, you know, same thing as you would get with a cold shower, you get like this mammalian dive reflex, right? Like that sharp intake of breath. And that activates your vagus nerve.

So we talked about HRV and heart rate variability tracking. Anytime you do something like that, that improves the tone of the vagus nerve, you would actually improve your ability to recover and improve the strength of your nervous system. And they sell like vagal nerve stimulators, and they've looked into like chanting, humming, singing, jaw, they call it jaw realignment therapy, apparently removes the pressure that the trigeminal nerve can place on the vagus nerve. There's all these things you can do to enhance the health of your vagus nerve. And that's one of the things that improves your HRV or your heart rate variability. It allows your sympathetic and your parasympathetic nervous system to be more balanced. But when you're saying tone, like what do you mean by that?

The tone of the nerve, it would basically be synonymous with like the health of the nerve. I don't know what's actually, I don't know if it's changing like the, you know, what do you call them? The myelin sheaths of the nerve or something like that when you're increasing the tone of the nerve. I don't know what, what's actually, I don't know if it's, if it's changing like the, uh, you know, what do you, what do you call them? The myelin sheaths of the nerve or something like that when, when you're increasing the tone of the nerve, but more or less it's healthy for the vagus nerve when you get, when you get your head wet or underwater. So when I go in my cold pool after workout, I put my head under and then come up like five or 10 times just to go up and down and up and down. Then I get out. And if I'm going to do a longer cold soak, it's not right after a workout. The two studies I found on antioxidant use after workout, right? High dose antioxidant like vitamin C, vitamin E, et cetera, that supposedly blunts the hormetic response to exercise. But there was one study that shows that

green tea polyphenols don't do that. So green tea would allow you to fight off the inflammatory effects of exercise without blunting, for example, satellite cell proliferation or building of new mitochondria or all of the things that you want to happen in response to a workout. And the other one was, and this is a new thing, like not a lot of people are talking about this now, but it's like hydrogen-rich compounds. Like they call it hydrogen-rich water. And there's these companies now, there's like four or five of them. They sell like these tablets that you can dissolve in water. And there's the Molecular Hydrogen Foundation.

They do research on this hydrogen. And they don't have a financial affiliation with any of these companies, so I respect some of the research that they do. And they've found that it actually blunts or it allows for anti-inflammatory and antioxidant effects to shut down like the inflammatory response to exercise without blunting the hormetic response. It would be like green tea and molecular hydrogen would be the two things that I know of that you could do post-workout to blunt that inflammatory response without actually blunting the hormetic response to exercise so it'll enhance without the right exactly exactly have your cake and eat it too one of the things I think

that's probably really good about cold immersion therapy also I think there's a meditative aspect of getting into that incredible cold and just relaxing and calming and I think it does something for your mind. It does. And it's the nervous system, right? Like what I tell people is you have a strong, and I take my kids out there, right? And I've trained them since a very early age. They go out there, they jump in the cold pool, but they'll stand in front of the cold pool and calm their nervous system, calm their heart rate. I'll have them, like one of them visualizes a sea otter, right? And the other one does a polar bear. So they'll visualize these animals that are just like

impervious to cold, right? And then they get in the water and they know there's no sharp intake of breath. There's no like people do when they take a cold shower a lot of the time. If you can get your body to that point, I think that it probably has a pretty, it's a good indicator that you're building that nervous system resilience. Like if you can just get in cold and not freak out. Right. So that's what I think people who do cold should train themselves to be able to do. I've heard that argument about the sauna as well, that it also builds like a mental toughness to be able to just sit in there and calm yourself and get used to the adverse.

Get to the point where you want to bang down the door and climb out. And yeah, that's what I like to get myself to in the song. Because obviously you get a bigger expression of heat shock protein and more blood flow when you get really hot. But yeah, there's a mental effect too. Same thing with the water. I was talking about that book, the book Deep, and how I got into like free diving and spearfishing.

How deep are you going? Which I think you would love. I would love, I'm sure. As a bow hunter, dude, I told you I'm going to go hunt. Well, Aubrey was telling me that it's like hunting underwater. Yeah. Actually, yeah, Aubrey and I spearfished in Kona last year. He and Whitney and I went down there, and we were just using, like, the little three-prong guns.

It wasn't full on, like, 80 feet deep, you know, big-ass guns after tuna. After tuna? Jesus Christ. People go out there, like, I've guns after tuna. After tuna? Jesus Christ. People go out there like, I've never done deep. I'm not good enough. I would not want to be underwater attached to a tuna. Well, what you do is you have a reel, and the reel is attached to a float. Right.

And so after you shoot and you spear a big fish like a tuna, it's not dragging you. It's dragging the float. Oh, I see. So all you have to do is wait for that float to pop back up wherever it's going to pop up and that's how but i haven't done that but that's like on my bucket list big time i'm going back to kona i'm going back to kona in april and that's going to be more shallow water spearfishing we're going to hunt for scrub cattle sheep goat you know the pig there's a major they have scrub cattle in kona yeah and the pig feed on like macadamia nuts

and avocado explain to people what scrub cattle is i don't They have scrub cattle in Kona? Yeah, and the pig feed on macadamia nuts and avocado and mango. Explain to people what scrub cattle is. I don't know what scrub cattle is, but apparently it tastes amazing. What scrub bulls are, they're essentially domestic cattle that have gone feral. So some time in the past, whether it's 10, 20 generations back, whatever it was, they busted through some fences, and now they're wild. And in Australia, they hunt them and they they're very dangerous apparently they are the most aggressive bulls bring it on i can't wait gotta be real careful

one of adam green tree's buddies got gored real bad and he had to uh be medevaced out of there he was in the the northern country i'm just gonna play a shitload of techno hunt i'll be ready so so so the book i read this book by j James Nestor, and I had him on my podcast. I'm like, dude, I want to learn how to do this. I want to learn how to, like, compress the spleen and go under and learn how to hold my breath and get all these nervous system benefits. You learn how to compress the spleen? The spleen just gets compressed because of the depth. I want to learn how to get deep enough because I couldn't, even as an Ironman triathlete, I couldn't go deeper than 15 feet without freaking out because like my, my ears would get the pressure in them and I could do the, what do you call it? The, um,

when you equalize, not the Frenzel technique, but the, it's the, uh, you know, when you, when you go, yeah, I'm forgetting the name of it. Yeah. The pop your ears technique that most people do when they get into the water. But there's another technique called the Frenzel technique where you'll, you'll pull the, it's like, and you see like your nose go, see how my nose goes out like that? If you do that, you can equalize it like 20 feet, 30 feet, 40 feet.

So I said, who can I go learn from? He's like, you got to go see this cat down in Fort Lauderdale, Ted Hardy. Of course, Florida. You got to go back to cat down in Fort Lauderdale named Ted hardy course Florida absolutely spleen dick shots do the stem cells go learn how to do the splint thing so I go to fortunately my grandmother lives in Florida so I I have a place to stay when I go there so there's that at least and I take this freediving course and he gets me from holding my breath for about a minute and 45 seconds.

He got me up to 445 on a breath hold. Four minutes and 45 seconds. Took me from 15 feet over five days down to 80 feet, where you're like – you actually – they put a rope in the water, and you go vertical, and you have, like, you know, the big fins? Like, you have the big fins, and you have the mask. How long are those? I've seen those on people but they're they're like half as long as that flag what's that like like three or four feet but yeah they're like

these big carbon fins and i said dude just tell me all the best things to buy and i contacted the editor of spearing carbon so they're stiff they're carbon they're stiff and you just swim so fast in them and i contacted the editor of spearing magazine and asked me what's the best gun to buy what are the best fins so i i got outfitted with all this stuff. And then I went down there, learned how to hold my breath, learned how to equalize. And now when I spearfish, and I still, again, I haven't gotten to the point where I've gone. Like I go after the grouper and the parrotfish, like the little ones. I haven't gotten to the point now where I'm hunting the big fish.

Groupers can get pretty fucking big. Very similar to, I know the first time I went after them, I got two at once, two groupers at once. And apparently it wasn't grouper season. So they had me put them back. Put them back? It's not as big of a deal as like if you shoot an elk and, you know, a tag. I mean, like, but. They have a grouper season?

I mean, not put them back. I didn't like take them down to their little grouper nest and tuck them away. But they're dead. So you can't. Leave them alone? Yeah, you just leave them. That seems ridiculous. Well, I mean. They just didn't want take them down to their little grouper nest and look dead, but they're dead so you can't yeah You can't keep them. Yeah, just leave them. That's it. Well. I mean it just didn't want to get fine They didn't want you in trouble all right, so so anyways though spearfishing Amazing and this whole like freediving you know we got on this topic from the float tanks similar experience

Like you're just at peace under the water You're not wearing all the scuba equipment so fish swim up to you And you can kind of like lay on the bottom of the water and, you know, shoot something as it comes. And I go with my kids and they like sit on the shore with like buckets and knives and, you know, they'll help brain the fish. And then we take it back and you have like fish cook offs. Oh, wow. It's amazing. It's very similar field to bow hunting, except it's like that peaceful setting in the water. It's probably intensely physical too, right?

Well, it's a great workout because not only are you cold, so you're getting all the benefits of cold thermogenesis, like the white adipose to brown fat conversion and the shivering and the calorie burning and the angiogenesis and all the stuff you get from cold. But then you're also, you're freaking hunting, right? You're not sitting on the edge like with a fishing pole over a boat which i find intensely boring you're actually in there and you're doing it all while you're holding your breath doing it all while you're holding your breath no scuba equipment and people will do like like i do breath hold walks all right well i'll go on a walk and every time i pass a telephone pole i'll just like take a breath i'll hold my breath as long as possible when i pass the telephone when i pass the telephone

pole and i'll breathe through my nose to recover and then when i get to the next telephone pole. I'll just like take a breath. I'll hold my breath as long as possible when I pass the telephone, when I pass the telephone pole and I'll breathe through my nose to recover. And then when I get to the next telephone pole, I'll hold my breath. I'm probably going to die someday, like passed out next to a bus stop by a car, blue in the face, but yeah, spearfish, like you'd like it. I'm sure I would. I think you'd dig it. Yeah. It seems like an interesting mental exercise too, because you have to keep your shit together while you're out in the water and you want to take a breath. You do. And people die. People do shallow water blackout.

And this is what I learned. That's why this guy sent me down to Fort Lauderdale because this guy, he teaches safety, right? You don't do like the Wim Hof breathing and blow off all the carbon dioxide so you can hold your breath longer, which is great for holding your breath longer. But carbon dioxide is your body's signal to take a breath. Right. So if you breathe a whole lot of carbon then you're you're so you have to have specific techniques so for example you're floating on the water before you're going to take a dive down so you're kind of like watching the water you're watching the fish and you might do like

a two count breath in one two two count hold and then 10 count breath out two count hold and you're just like getting the heart rate down you're getting the nervous system calm you're not even supposed to do like a lot of caffeine which jacks up the nervous system and causes you to not be able to hold your breath as long dairy makes the mucus more thick and so you can't hold your breath as long as you do a lot of dairy so you don't do a lot of dairy you don't do a lot of caffeine and then you just dive down and i did uh i brought ketones down because a lot of like like Dominique D'Agostino has, you know, he's done research on like divers and reducing a lot of the effects of like reduced flow of oxygen to the brain that apparently these

Navy SEAL divers get. And he does research on the use of ketosis and ketones. And one of the days that we were out there, I actually took ketones and they increased my breath hold time just using like these, these exogenous ketones. Really? So apparently they have an effect as well. I don't know if it's because the brain is using more, more of the ketones and the glucose, but they increase breath hold time. That, yeah, they, they came up with that for rebreathers, right? Like that's when they started getting people, yeah, Navy SEAL divers when they're using rebreathers, apparently a certain percentage of them are susceptible to seizures.

Yeah, and they use, well, two things. Ketosis and CBD are two things that are used for epilepsy and seizures. Yeah, ketosis supposedly has an amazing effect with kids. Kids that have seizures. I did 12 months of strict ketosis. Really? How'd you like it? for a lab study in Florida.

No, I'm just kidding. I was at a University of Connecticut. This guy named Jeff Volek. He does a lot of like ketone research. And he had one group of athletes follow just a normal endurance athlete diet for 12 months. follow just a normal endurance athlete diet for 12 months. And another group follow like a high-fat, low-carb, ketogenic diet for 12 months because he wanted to see if you would maintain your glycogen levels and if your performance would be synonymous to the group that did not eat the high-fat, low-carb diet,

what would happen to inflammatory markers, what would happen to the gut microbiome. But he wanted like a lot of these studies on high fat low carb diets they'll follow people for like two weeks or three days and have meat like high fat low carb and then see what happens when they go jam on a bike for 30 minutes or exercise but they want to do like a long-term study to see if the body can adapt to burning fats as a fuel with long-term utilization of a high-fat diet, which I don't do anymore, by the way. I save all my carbohydrates for the evening. Then I eat a bunch of carbohydrates in the evening. What kind of carbs do you eat?

Oh, like red wine, dark chocolate, tubers, starches, yams, sweet potatoes. My wife's a cook, so she does this amazing slow-fermented sourdough bread, which pre-digests all the gluten and lowers the glycemic index. And it's like pretty much quinoa, amaranth, milk. I don't follow a specific diet in terms of like restricting certain food groups. My philosophy is you just make them digestible. I've read that about eating carbs at night, that it's a good thing to relax you as well. Well, technically, you're more insulin sensitive in the morning, but you

can make yourself more insulin sensitive in the evening. And the advantage of that is if you consume a bunch of your carbohydrates in the morning, when you're in an insulin sensitive state, what are you going to rely upon as your primary fuel during the rest of the day? Carbohydrates, right? Instead of teaching your body how to be a fat burning machine and tap into fats and generate ketones. So you save your carbohydrate intake for the end of the day, but I also save my hard workout for the end of the day, which is when your body temperature peaks and your grip strength peaks, and you can do a hard workout. Anybody who rolls out of bed and tries to do a CrossFit WOD versus doing it, you know, 5 p.m. in the afternoon knows this.

Like, you can do a pretty good hard workout, like, in the later afternoon or the evening when you're warmed up. But that also upregulates insulin sensitivity and the activity of these GLUT4 transporters that can, you know, shove glucose into muscle tissue, for example. And so then you can have your cake and eat it too, right? You create your own insulin sensitive state and then you go off. And typically I'll finish that workout around like 6, 6.30, right? And like I mentioned, I don't eat dinner for a couple hours after the workout. It's like 8, 8.30, we sit down to a family dinner and I'll just eat as many carbohydrates as

I want because I'm in an insulin sensitive state by the next morning. And I tested this for a while. I did like the blood ketone and the breath ketone testing. I'm back in a fat burning state by the next morning. That's interesting, even with the bread. I've also replenished my glycogen stores in my liver and my muscle to be able to do the next day's hard workout. So I like this strategy for athletes because they can get all the benefits of a fat burning state, the reduced free radical production from excess glucose intake, the reduced glycemic variability, which is honestly, it's a pretty big marker for, in my opinion, like your risk factor for a host of chronic diseases,

like spiking your blood glucose multiple times during the day. So instead, you just don't eat carbohydrates all day, do a hard workout at the end of the day, and then have your carbohydrates to replenish all your energy levels. Then you go into the next day. And then what's your primary food source during the day? Like, do you have, like, standard foods that you choose? We have a lot of, like, really good wild plants that grow up on our land. So I have 10 acres up there in Washington State, and we've got, like, wild nettle and mint and plantain

and organ grape root and comfrey and all these amazing plants. So we also have eight raised garden beds where we grow kale and bok choy and Swiss chard. Do you raise them so they're not as susceptible to ground frost? Well, when you raise a garden bed, you can just add whatever type of soil that you want to versus digging down because my wife does a lot of composting.

So we have chickens and goats, so she uses a lot of the dung from the chickens and the goats and the leftover food from inside and does composting. And so we use a lot of this in the raised garden beds. I started gardening this year indoors. I'm growing something called splilanthes, which I can tell you about later. It's amazing. I found it in Kauai.

But what I do during the day is eat a lot of wild plants. So I'll come in. When I'm coming in from that cold pool in the morning, I'll gather some plants. And I throw those in a blender with some fats like coconut milk or coconut oil. I'll do like some bone broth and some lemon because when you mix the vitamin C with collagen, you make the collagen a lot more absorbable. So I'll mix the vitamin C with bone broth. I'll put that into the blender. A whole bunch of superfoods.

I'll blend it for like two minutes. So if you blend it for a long time It gets like a texture like a Wendy's frosty So it's like and you can like eat it with with you know one of those long you've had a Wendy's for sure All right. Yeah, you look confused. No. No, I said Wendy's fried Mike. It's strange that what kind of horrible life Have you led what did your parents do to you? You never had a Wendy's? Frosty so so it gets like this Wendy's frosty like consistency It's just a bunch of wild plants and fats.

And I put like that stevia in there. I put a little bit of cacao in there. Sometimes I'll do like a little bit of whey protein, like a good like grass fed whey or some kind of protein source. And then I put like crunchy things in. So I put it all in a bowl with a spatula. Crunchy. Yeah, like coconut flakes and cacao nibs. And I use these little spirulina and chlorella tablets.

And so it's like eating a—it's like when you go to a yogurt store and you get the yogurt and you get the toppings on top of it. But it's like this amazing ketogenic, superfood-rich meal. And by blending it all together and blending the fats with all the ingredients, you're actually enhancing the absorption. Wow. And so that's what I have for breakfast. Dude, you should open a cafe. That sounds good. I want to order one right now.

Well, I'm trying to make it into like a drinkable form. Something that will stay in that form? Yeah, I'm going over to see Rick Rubin after this over in Malibu, and he does the same thing for breakfast. And that's actually one of the things we're talking about over there. Did you teach him how to do this? How we can make this. No, so random. Like, we go sauna together over there in Malibu, and we both do the same thing.

Like, his is a little bit different. Like, he puts some different things in it, but the same thing. And it's an amazing breakfast because you can sit there and, like, I do a lot of dictation on my computer. So I'll sit there and I'll dictate emails, but while I'm eating my smoothie with a spoon, it's amazing. And then I do a salad for breakfast or for lunch, a big ass salad, again, a whole bunch of wild plants. And I'll put like sardines, seeds, nuts, you know, just good fats on there. And then I have like these nori wraps, right, which is like a seaweed wrap, really good in iodine, really nutrient dense. And then I use Miracle Noodles.

Have you had Miracle Noodles before? So they're made out of Japanese yam. They call them shirataki noodles. My kids make pad thai out of this. They have like a cooking podcast where they do all these crazy, crazy meals. And one of the things they use a lot of are these shirataki noodles. So I make these Japanese yam noodles, I put them on top of the salad, and then I roll that up in like a nori burrito wrap, and I eat that like a burrito for

lunch. And then dinner, like I mentioned, is just, you know, whatever my wife happens, because dinner is like my free meal, right? It's just whatever I want to have. But for this study, for Jeff Volick's lab, it's 12 months, strict ketosis. And they brought us into the lab. They had me and the group of ketogenic athletes and also the whole group of endurance athletes following a traditional carbohydrate-rich diet, do a VO2 max test the night that we got there. And then the next morning, they punched a bunch of holes in our thighs with needles and did a biopsy of the muscle to see how much glycogen was in the muscle. And then with these big holes in our muscles, we had to go run on a treadmill for three hours. So I ran. 22 miles on this treadmill.

So when you're saying punch a hole, like a thin tube? They wanted to see how much glycogen. So they pull out tissue? It's like a muscle biopsy. It's like a little guillotine. But it's a big needle. It gets hard. Especially when you go pound on the treadmill after you've had these needle biopsies in your thighs.

And then they did fat biopsy because they wanted to look at fat content up on either side of the hips. And then I ran for three hours on this treadmill. And it was horrible. There was, like, no TV. There was no kids. Three hours? It was a white wall on the treadmill. And I was hooked up to, like, a blood collection device because I didn't see what was happening with the bloods.

A Walkman. What am I, in the 90s? Yeah, I had a Walkman. because I wanted to see what was happening with the bloods. A walkman. What am I in the 90s? Yeah, I had a walkman and I had my aerobic socks on. Like Jane Fonda back in the day. Exactly. Yeah, and my running sink.

So you just ran for three hours staring at the wall? Yeah, I just ran for three hours staring at the wall. That's got to be the worst part of it.

It's horrible. Yeah, I didn't know going in. I walked in the room and I'm like, oh shit because I would have brought something to wash, but I ran and they were testing fat oxidation rates at rest and at exercise. So I'm wearing this, this mask. It's, it does what's called indirect calorimetry where based on the carbon dioxide that you breathe out

and the oxygen that you consume, it approximates your carbohydrate and your fat burning rates. It's kind of like the gold standard of metabolic testing and laboratory testing situations, like in an exercise physiology lab. And so you're testing how much fat you're burning during exercise, how much carbohydrate you're burning during exercise, something called your respiratory exchange ratio is what it's called. And the prevailing research and the literature suggests that you can burn about 1.0 grams of fat per minute during exercise. Like that would be about how much fat you would burn, 1.0 grams of fat per minute. When they tested, this is called the FASTER study, F-A-S-T-E-R. They found that the folks who followed a high-fat diet, like me and these other people who are eating a high-fat diet,

we were burning 1.5 to 1.7 grams of fat per minute during exercise during this three hour treadmill run. We had no deficit in performance, our VO2 maxes were just as high. And we we maintain our levels of muscle glycogen. And so basically, there was no we didn't go any faster. I'm not saying like, like ketogenic diet is gonna make you better at endurance sports, because I've never seen any evidence that that's going to happen. But we did go just as fast. And actually burned, we turned our bodies into fat burning machines over the course of 12 months. It was actually a really cool study. So the benefits would not be necessarily performance, but the benefits are more health wise, cancer prevention.

A lot of people, they get gut rot and fermentation from eating a lot of fermentable carbohydrates. Some people get small intestine bacterial overgrowth. Some people get blood glucose fluctuations. You see a drop in what's called the first phase insulin response. Like normally you're supposed to produce a lot of insulin when you eat a meal or at least enough to be able to shove that substrate into storage tissue. And normally you'd be able to produce this. And by getting a lot of glycemic variability during the day, you eventually produce insulin insensitivity, right?

Like you don't have that normal first phase insulin response. And you can restore it. You can use things like bitters and chew your food a lot and, you know, strength train before you eat a carbohydrate-rich meal, you know, things like that. But ultimately, yeah, it's more of like a health and longevity thing. It's not like eating low carbohydrate makes you faster. It's just that you avoid a lot of the potential issues, the potential health issues that would come with a large amount of glucose fluctuations.

But there's exceptions to that rule, right? Like you could go get your genetics tested and you might find out you have, let's say, familial hypercholesterolemia. find out you have, let's say, familial hypercholesterolemia, in which case if you eat like a ketotic diet, you'll produce a lot of like oxidized cholesterol. You'll see people with cholesterol like 400, 500, and really high LP little a and all these issues with a high amount of fat consumption because their bodies are unable to deal with that amount of cholesterol.

That's a big point. That's a big point. Customizing. I can't stress that enough is that human beings vary so widely huge yeah huge amount like there's a great book that Brian Callan turned me on to that I'm reading right now called Sapiens the origins of human beings it's completely fascinating it's it's crazy there's another book called biochemical individuality it's like an old book but I was looking through it's fascinating

like it like there's like 12 different shapes of the stomach and like seven different ways that the heart is shaped and certain people will excrete copious amounts of vitamin D and need a lot more vitamin D intake. And other people develop vitamin D toxicity in response, like the 2000 or 4,000 international units that a lot of people are popping these days. Certain people develop high cholesterol and high triglycerides and high inflammation in response to a ketogenic diet, and some people don't. And so, like, we live in an era where it's like it's cheap to get your genes tested, and it's only going to get cheaper. Well, it's also there's – you would have to really find a good expert that really understands what the difference in the genetic variabilities are. Yeah, I mean, like –

Otherwise, you're just testing. Like, you're trying a ketogenic diet, testing out your blood work and trying to figure it out. It's very complicated for the layperson. It is, but I mean, like, in very simplistic terms, I've told some people this, right? You could at least test your genetics. And there's actually a really good book about this

called The Jungle Effect by Dr. Daphne Miller. And she goes into how, like'll put like her her hispanic clients on like a traditional mexican diet comprised of like you know uh soaked and sprouted legumes and low glycemic index you know tortillas and non-gmo corn and take them back to what their ancestors would have eaten like she'll literally take like what the tarahumara indian tribe is eating in south america and put her hispanic clients on that or she'll literally take like what the Tarahumara Indian tribe is eating in South America and put her Hispanic clients on that. Or she'll put like her African American clients on a fiber rich fermented like Cambodian diet. Right. And, and you could easily do like, it's not rocket science, right? You go get your genetics tested. You see where your

ancestors came from and you try to approximate what, and obviously we're a genetic melting pot in America. And there's going to be some people who are just like, oh crap, I came from, I come from Japan and Europe and Ethiopia. You know, like there's some people who come from all over the place, in which case you would have to take a deeper dive, right? You can get blood work. You can get, what I tell people is get your genes tested, get like a comprehensive blood analysis, get your gut tested, right? So you could look at your bacterial balance, presence of parasites, yeast, fungus, all those kind of little things that affect gut health and personality

and everything else that the microbiome affects. And then like a urine test for hormones, which is more accurate than a blood test. And that's a lot of testing. But, I mean, if you really, really, truly want to dial things in, it's genetic testing, it's genetic testing. It's blood testing. Urinary testing for hormones. There's a test called the Dutch test.

It tests, like, your testosterone all throughout the day, the metabolites of testosterone, your cortisol all throughout the day, the metabolites of cortisol. So you could actually see, like, you know, do I really have high cortisol or am I just not breaking it down quickly enough, for example. do I really have high cortisol or am I just not breaking it down quickly enough, for example? I just wish there was a place you could go that was very comprehensive that the average person could go to where they could do all this stuff for you and break it down for you. It seems like there's more and more of a market of that every day. It's going to cost $10,000. Actually, there is a place. It's like the human. There's some of these guys who are trying to live forever.

I think one of them is Peter Diamandis. Craig Venter, I think, is another guy. Where are like the human human longevity Institute I think it's called yeah like some of these some of these rich dudes right like a lot of these billionaires they're going to this places and getting like the comprehensive blood testing done I'd I do a lot of that myself just by ordering it you know from like direct labs or these well you have a deep understanding and knowledge all this stuff it's different than yeah plus I'm injecting stem cells in the yeah but I think for the average person that's listening to this it's a it's a little confusing and maybe a little frustrating

because it would be nice if there was a place you go that's like the dentist you know you go to the dentist hey Bob you've got a cavity right so it's straight exactly that that will there's companies working on that right now like like an actual dashboard where you get a home test kit done and and they're like there are actually like micro needles now that you can attach to the skin that you patch it on yourself you send off a tiny tiny amount of blood and you get a host of blood values back and then you would be able to see like what you have deficits in and I could

totally see them pairing that with like food delivery companies or like you know values back. And then you would be able to see like what you have deficits in. And I could totally see them pairing that with like food delivery companies or like, you know, even just like printouts. So like, here's your protein, carb, fat ratio. So yeah, it'll happen. Now, when you were on the strict ketogenic diet for 12 months, what was your diet? Like, what did you basically eat? No Italian. Is that the first thing you ate when you got off? Just order a pizza? I don't remember. I don't remember. I remember what I ate. Yeah. It was like my bodybuilding days where like you go

weigh in like in the morning before the show. And then the rest of the day you eat like freaking ice cream and bread and you look like just like an Olympic God when you get up on stage because everything's popping, right? Like all that glycogen gets restored after about eight hours. How does that work? I don't remember what my first meal was. Well, when you don't eat many carbohydrates, you upregulate levels with something called glycogen synthase, which is an enzyme responsible for helping to get glycogen into muscle tissue. So this would be a process that you would do before a show?

Glycogen depletion followed by glycogen restoration causes this big surge in glycogen. by glycogen restoration causes this big surge in glycogen. Plus, going into a show, you're restricting carbohydrates anyways because it's hard to get very, very low body fat. That's why you see bodybuilders eating freaking like chicken and broccoli. So the same thing is something I did when I did triathlon, right? You'll like carbohydrate deplete the weekend before a race. And then I used to do this. You'd eat like no carbohydrates on Saturday anday for a race that follows the next sunday

and then monday you'd start to eat more carbohydrates tuesday even more and by like saturday before the race you're eating like 90 carbohydrate this is what i did before i kind of trained my body to like you know ketosis and function well on a low carb diet but you're just i mean you're jacked up chock full of glycogen because you up regulate that enzyme it's it's called a what's it called carbohydrate let's just basically carbohydrate depletion carbohydrate loading so now was there any benefit of that performance-wise versus what you're doing now mmm there's there's, there's not necessarily a benefit in that you, uh, you go faster if you've trained your body how to operate well on a low carbohydrate diet. I've never, like I said,

seen any evidence that like a low carbohydrate ketogenic diet makes you go faster than if you're eating like a regular, like carbohydrate rich diet. But I also haven't seen than if you were eating like a regular like carbohydrate rich diet but i also haven't seen that if you do like i did and follow it strict for a long time there's not a lot of evidence that makes you go slower either so it's kind of like it's like even so the before right so it's just a health longevity it's more of like hey if i can live a longer time and feel better and produce less reactive oxygen species by doing this versus the high carbohydrate intake, then why not do it? And I mean, when you look at like the Nike project and how they were trying to break the marathon record in Italy, they were using like these crazy engineered forms of carbohydrate where they went way above like these maltodextrin fructose blends that a lot of companies like Gatorade use, and they were using these super engineered carbs.

It's possible that some of these newer carbohydrates that are engineered for extremely high absorption could beat out. Like if we were to study those in like a high-fat, low-carb athlete who'd followed that diet for a long period of time versus like a traditionally fueled athlete who was eating these newfangled engineered carbohydrates, it's possible the newfangled engineered carbohydrates could make you go faster. But unless your paycheck is on the line and you're a pro, I still say, you know, why not get that balance between health and longevity and speed? My thyroid, though, did not like that high-fat ketogenic diet. Thyroid didn't like it.

It was paired with high levels of physical activity. My testosterone went down. Like there were some issues. That's fascinating because usually you hear the opposite. People with thyroid disease, they recommend a ketogenic diet to those people. Yeah, but look at it this way. And I explain this to a lot of athletes who I work with who want to do the ketogenic diet thing. You read a book like there's some fantastic ketogenic diets out there that are plant rich, which a lot of ketogenic diets aren't, right? Like, there'll be like coconut oil and butter.

And that actually creates a lot of gastric inflammation in the absence of like, you know, high amount of polyphenols and flavonoids and high fiber and plant intake, like you want both. I wrote an article about this called the dark side of coconut oil, that gets into the fact that if you're going to do like a high fat, low carb, ketogenic type of diet, you would want to include a lot of plants. And like Dr. Terry Walls has a book called The Walls Protocol that's got a plant rich ketogenic version in it. Stephen Gundry has his book, The Plant Paradox, and he has like a he has like a ketogenic version in that book that's like very plant rich. So if you're eating like a plant-rich ketogenic diet and you're following what a lot of these people have written, you'd generally be advised to eat like 30 to 50 grams of carbohydrates per day, which is fine if you have thyroid disease or you have some other issue, you know, prediabetes, whatever, and you're trying to control it with a ketogenic diet. But then once you throw copious amounts of physical activity into the mix, right, you're a CrossFitter, you're an Ironman triathlete, and you go read one of these books, and you read there's supposed to be 50 grams of carbohydrates.

Well, you know, the authors of those books, to my knowledge, are not out racing Ironman triathlons and, you know, doing marathons and copious amounts of physical activity. So you have to up the carbohydrate intake. So it's all about, you know, so for me personally, I'll eat like 100 to 200 grams of carbohydrates. And still maintain ketosis. Carbohydrate feed at the end of the day, I'll still maintain ketosis. And so, again, you have your cake and eat it too.

That's a radical physical output though you're talking about. Exactly. So if you have like a thyroid issue and you're highly active and you want to follow a ketogenic diet, then you need to include more carbohydrate than would be recommended in, let's say, like a more sedentary type of keto giant diet. Right. But that makes sense because you're always reading these diets based on just the average person and the average person is just not going to put out that kind of output.

And you want to include a lot of the things that you tend to build up deficits in like potassium and magnesium are two biggies. And you dump a lot of glycogen and glycogen stores a bunch of water and it stores a bunch of electrolytes. So you have to figure out how to replace that. And now people are using these exogenous ketones, like the ketone salts or the ketone esters. And the danger with those is now you can like get into ketosis but still also have high blood glucose. And that's something that we haven't really studied.

Like that's not like our ancestors out hunting, right? Like that's not like our ancestors out hunting, right? For that. Like, it's not like they were in ketosis because they were burning a lot of their own body fat and generating ketones as a by-product. And they were, they were in just like a natural state. Cause they weren't eating a lot of food sometimes just, you know, not stuffing their face with carbohydrates and glucose. But now people are able to eat a normal Western diet and then like buy one of these ketone supplements and also be in ketosis. So you're hyperglycemic and hyperketotic. And I've like I did that before a race and I felt like I was on steroids.

Like it was like rocket fuel because my blood glucose was jacked through the roof. But so I did a bunch of like fructose, maltodextrin, energy based gels. And then I drank a bottle of these ketone esters, which basically, I mean, they have, if you measure your ketones, you'll know that this is high. But within 10 minutes, my values were above seven millimolar, which is just off the charts for ketones. But my blood glucose was also off the charts. And I felt like my cells had like both forms of fuel they'd ever need, both ketones and and I felt amazing but all bet I mean that's similar like diabetic ketoacidosis like if you're in that state all the time and you're using all these ketone supplements and just eating your diet and using these because you're quote in ketosis unquote I don't

think it's healthy I wonder if it would be great though performance wise like for a fight it's amazing it's amazing you feel unstoppable I would think that I wonder if athletes have tried that. And as long as you use that, it's like you use it as a, you know, it's like I heard somebody say once, like sugar is a sometimes drug. Right. Because it does, like you can feel it, and it can give you, especially if you're not fat adapted, I mean,

carbohydrates give you a pretty big boost in performance and energy versus not having them on board when you're exercising, and especially when you're exercising hard. And this would be like that, right? Like if you were to use that as a sometimes drug and be careful with it, I could see that being a huge, huge performance boost. Like what kind of a bump were you getting? I didn't quantify it.

If you try to get 10%, 10%? It was a tough mudder in Vegas. And all I know is I felt way, way more doubt. Like I had the cognitive high that you get from ketones, which was the original reason that I started doing this ketosis thing like seven years ago when I was getting ready to race Ironman Canada. And I wanted to see what it would feel like to have those readily available fuel sources for the liver and the diaphragm and the heart and kind of the focus that comes with high levels of ketones

when you're on a bike for five hours. And i had that when i took these exogenous ketones but then i also had all the energy that you get when you you know like after you've had like a like a candy bar right so so yeah your high blood sugar and high blood ketones so you so you just feel focused but you also have high levels of energy that sounds amazing that's scary that's not amazing i just like the stem cells in the deck right like it's amazing I hope it's good for you. Just like the stem cells in the dick, right? It's amazing. I hope it's good. I hope I don't die.

That sounds like, though, if you were doing a big event, and if you didn't do it up to the, I like what you're doing in terms of diet-wise. It seems like it makes sense. You've got a really good balance. But for a big event, that sounds like it'd be a really good thing to do. Right. Load up on carbohydrates. Load up on the ketone esters.

Right. Exactly. That sounds wild. Yeah, ketone esters are expensive. Like a lot of these ketone salts. The thing I like about the ketone salts too is I haven't seen a lot of research that the ketone esters are necessarily that much better than the ketone salts. You get electrolytes with them too. Right.

And that's one of the things that you get depleted on on like a ketogenic diet. Do you know what brand you're using for your ketone supplements? Dude, I told you, I'm like, as a blogger, I get these packages sent to my house every day. You probably get the same thing. It's like cardboard boxes full of... And like the occasional little paper bag of something that somebody made in their kitchen that they sent

to you. I don't touch that stuff. Somebody gave me when I was... I think it was in Asheville, doing a race in Asheville. Of course, North Carolina. North Carolina. People don't know about Asheville. Freaking great food in Asheville.

Asheville is a crazy little spot. One of my clients took me to this place called Karate. It's like a charcuterie, like a fine charcuterie restaurant. Amazing meat. Asheville's amazing. Apparently, like, President Obama's, like, favorite restaurant was in Asheville, and he'd go there. And, like, you go up and down the street. I went there during the yoga festival, and there's, like, people sitting up in trees playing banjos.

It's crazy. It's amazing. I definitely want to go back there. Yeah, the International Yoga Festival in Asheville. But the— Shout out to Asheville. Yeah, shout out to Asheville, baby. Hashtag Asheville.

Somebody gave me, like, wine that they infuse with cannabis. Like this big bottle of, like, Hashtag Asheville. Somebody gave me like wine that they infuse with cannabis. Like this big bottle of like cannabis infused wine. But it was like one of those old school like kombucha bottles. And you're just like, I don't know where this has been sitting. I don't know what's in here. It was a cool idea, but no offense to whoever gave me that. But I didn't actually consume that. But the ketone salts and the ketone esters, honestly, dude, I've tried all of them.

Kegenics and keto. I forget all of them. They're all keto something. Keto prime, ketogenics. Went to school in Asheville, and he said that they started giving the cows a certain diet to kill the psilocybin mushrooms that grow in their shit. a certain diet to kill the psilocybin mushrooms that grow in their shit because too many kids were climbing fences and plucking mushrooms out of the cow shit. You ever do that? You ever do like the psilocybin microdosing thing that people are doing for cognition?

I have psilocybin microdosed. I've taken, and it gives you a nice feeling. I like it. It gives you, I have a friend who is a world champion kickboxer who micro doses every day. And he says it makes him almost telepathic. He says it makes his response time to sparring. He said he sees things before they happen. Your sensory perception improves, especially in nature settings.

Right? Like there's this, there's like the synthetic chemical LSD or PLSD is like the one a lot of people are using now because you get it for a lot less expensive and it has the same effect as LSD, or PLSD is like the one a lot of people are using now because you get it for a lot less expensive. And it has the same effect as LSD. It's just, it's a lot cheaper. And you get both on like these websites where you use cryptocurrency to purchase the compound. The FBI's out on it to you? Exactly. It's very synthetic. And there's like a merging of the left and right hemispheres of the brain,

and you get very creative and focused simultaneously. What doses are you? For LSD, you want to volumetrically dose, which means like if you get a blotter of LSD, it's like 100 micrograms on like a square, and a lot of people cut that into like 10 pieces. So that one piece would be 10 micrograms but you don't know if that piece has like 20 or 5 on it right so you take a hundred uh a hundred microgram tab and you put that in like a little like a like a glass dropper bottle and then you would add like 10 milliliters of everclear or vodka or some kind of alcohol to it. And then you know that for every one milliliter

of alcohol in that little dropper bottle that you consume, you're getting exactly 10 micrograms of LSD and about 10 to 20 micrograms, like one to two dropper bottles full, that would be considered a micro dose for most people. But you don't, like returning to psilocybin, people but you don't like returning to psilocybin psilocybin produces like this sensory perception very natural feeling uh improvement in your in your cognition and in your senses that that it just feels more natural right it's like you you would take it before you go on a hike or you would take it when you're in like a very very, like a nature setting. For something like a day at the office, it seems like LSD is a more natural choice. But psilocybin is really interesting for a nature-based setting, hiking. Well, the thing about it is you feel like you're getting readings from trees and plants.

You get a weird feeling from them that you don't normally get. Like, oh, now I'm tuned into whatever frequency you guys are operating yeah and they feel alive yeah whereas trees just feel like trees normally I walk by like they look beautiful and but I don't feel them right same sense right exactly and I mean you don't want it you don't want to make yourself dependent on finding a tree beautiful by whether or not you have so it's not even a beautiful thing bloodstream like it's communicating with you know I'm saying's like you feel like they're giving you information. You save it for those settings when you want nature to be really special.

Yeah. Because my wife gives me a hard time sometimes. She's like, you know, why do you got to take psilocybin before you got to go on a hike? Like, why don't you just go on a hike? And I tell her, you know, sometimes it's more interesting. Sometimes you see things you wouldn't normally otherwise see. So, you know, I go to bed and I've got like my binaural beats and my sleep mask and you know I've got like that little grounding earthing device under my body and my chili pad and you

know blue light blocking glasses and you know I get in bed with all these wires sticking up out of my head my wife just gets in bed and just like sleeps she's got nothing on her side it's so we're very yin and yang. Yeah, but you're so involved. Like everything you're doing, you're very involved. Does it ever feel overwhelming that you have all this stuff? I mean, obviously it's what you do. No, because you systematize it, right? Like when I walk into my office, it's not like I'm spending 20 minutes

like turning on the Juve light and putting on the essential oil diffuser and, you know, I've got like this device that creates like special water that you breathe. Well, you know, it humidifies the water that you breathe while you're working. And I've got like, you know, blue light generating devices on the ceiling and all this stuff in my office. But when I walk in there, it's just like click, click, click, and I go to work, right, with the thing on my head or whatever. So once you systematize it, it's not exhausting. right, with the thing on my head or whatever. So once you systematize it, it's not exhausting. It's not like you're doing a lot to actually improve your body

or, you know, let's say biohack your body while you're at work. A lot of stuff just becomes systematized, right? It's like putting on your pants in the morning. That biohack word is about done. I'm about done with that word. The biohack word. It's so beaten up, that word. Now what I would consider to be biohacking is, you know, these dudes that these dudes that inject chlorella into their eyes so that they could get night vision.

What? You should pull that out. Or like Kevin Warwick. He was like the original cyborg guy who got a chip implanted underneath his skin. Or the people who will inject magnets in their fingertips to be able to interact with devices. So they would use the human body as what they call wetware and then install hardware and like to me that's a true biohacker for me to blend like curcumin with olive oil and bone broth and vitamin C in my smoothie that's not like a biohack

that's just health just like making a meal right yeah I think there are very trendy through biohackers out there who have actually hacked their biology. But injecting chlorella into your eyes seems super risky. Actually, you know what? I think it's chlorophyll, which is the green active component that you would find in something like chlorella. But his eyes are all black. It's really weird. You should pull it up, Jamie.

They're stuck black forever? I'm assuming. It's really weird. You should pull it up, Jamie. Like the dude who injected. I'm assuming. Oh, fucking Christ. I mean, I don't think you could suck the chlorophyll back out, but he has night vision now. What? Or the guy who is Goatman. Did you hear about Goatman?

No, hold on. Let's one step at a time. You're almost manic. You're just like, I got another one. I got another one. Hold on. So this guy has permanent black in his eyes, and he can see sort of like a deer, like nocturnal?

That guy. Yeah, that's him. Jesus, motherfucker. Making science more available to the public, have been testing a concoction of chemicals that allows humans to see in the dark, and it works. That's a true biohack. That's a correct use of the term biohacking, in my opinion. This guy's out of his mind. There's some other people.

And you can get like a, what's this on Nerdist? Yeah, nerdist.com. There he goes. Straight into the eye. I'm not going to do that. I will stop at the stem cells into my dick. I'm not going to do the things. The speculum holding my eyes open was by far the worst part.

Even the effects themselves were very subtle. It wasn't like, oh my God, I have predator vision. Nothing like that. You don't get superpowers. This wasn't like, oh my god, I have predator vision. Nothing like that. You don't get superpowers. This is a tweak, not an overhaul. It's kind of disappointing that you go through all that for just the tweak. Yeah, well your whole fucking eyes are black like some- If I'm gonna do that shit, I want predator vision. Like, I want the full meal deal. I want to be able to hunt animals in the darkness.

This guy's got hamster eyes. The chemical works by binding to opsin proteins in your retina where it's excited by light. Transformational process to occur in the protein segment. See? There you go. Huh. Yeah. So you could get the blue light blocking glasses or you could just inject everything into your eyes. Allowed him to pick up figures in the dark with 100% accuracy where non-treated test subjects could only make out to about 30%. That's pretty significant. Well, that would be really good for the bow hunters. And I like how the author doesn't know which percentage sign to use, the actual percentage sign or the word percent. Right.

Mixes it up. They've got to work on their editing. That's interesting. You're a writer. We're talking 50 meters. Go back to that, Jamie. We're talking 50 meters over 160 feet apart. Oh, wow.

That's actually really significant. The following morning, his eyes returned to normal. Oh. All right, where does it say that? Right there. His eyes returned to normal. No apparent side effects. Oh, wow.

So he's not like that forever. No, so they're not injecting. They're dropping. They're using drops. So this would be like we're talking about bow hunting, about elk hunting, like when you're in sort of low light. That might be the move. You could pack your speculum into your into your bow case just drop them in there make

sure that you have a hunting buddy who is well versed in the addition of chlorophyll rubber gloves into a speculum yeah bring the rubber gloves you've got all that stuff to fill dress anyways and just go to town on your eyes how did you uh get into bow hunting uh my buddy uh kenton claremont up in washington state he was running these train to hunt competitions which are really bad it's like it's like off-road course racing with a weapon yeah it's ton and you could do it out here and like because you have like you could carry sandbags do like cones and suicide sprints and all sorts of stuff with this techno hunt setup that you have. But the train to hunt, like the first competition that I did, you show up and it starts off with like a four or five hour traditional 3D shoot. And for people who don't know what a 3D shoot is, it's a bunch of targets, you know, like Reinhardt targets or whatever that are set up.

Well, explain that. They look like animals. Yeah, they look like animals. They're going to be a fox or an elk or, you know, whatever, you know, a bedded animal or a standing animal. And they're spread throughout this course that you're walking. You can think of it almost like golfing, you know, for people who don't bow hunt. And you'll, you know, one shot might just be like a simple 25-yard shot at a fox where if you get vitals, you'll get five points. And if you hit a body shot

then it might be three points and if you miss it's zero and if you get like a wound it's actually a negative score right which it should be like it's like a neck because if you wound an animal that's that's really much much worse than missing an animal right so some of the shots are pretty complex it might be you got to get off two shots in 10 seconds which is actually kind of hard to do you know two shots in 10 seconds and one animals at 20 and one animals at 40 right which is why i use like a three pin side on my bow because you don't even have time to adjust the dial after you've taken one shot to the yardage for the second shot

um you might have a shot that's like run up this hill there is a target up there we won't tell you the distance but you have 30 seconds to make it the 25 yards up that up that goalie and then you're going to have a shot at the top and you got to run up the goalie sight and get your shot off in those 30 seconds right so so it's not like a traditional 3d shoot it's very active you know and some shots are are you draw lunging and then you stand and then you got to walk around the tree and then take your shot so it's actually pretty fun it's it's way different than just like standing out of the range shooting at targets and you get a certain score coming out of that right like you might have amassed x number of points or or lost x number

of points and then you go into um they actually they this year they've kind of like changed it because a lot of people are like getting hurt and blowing out their knees with this next part but you do what's called like a meat pack which is 100 pounds in your pack and it's a two to four mile course that you got to boogie across as fast as possible people were running right and the problem with it was people like when you pack out like you you're taking your time you're not running you're not like racing your buddy. But this, and it was like the most painful thing I've really ever done in terms of like how high my heart rate got and the amount of lactic acid. Like just try to go two miles as fast as you can with 100 pounds in your pack.

Sounds very dangerous. Not only do you got to spend, like I would spend copious amounts of time just to make sure the pack was adjusted properly. And I'll put like the bubble wrap in the bottom of the pack so it moves the weight weight that you're using, which are typically sandbags up to the center of the pack. And I worked with this company, uh, called, uh, Kefaru that makes like these packs. Yeah. Yeah. They make a good pack. Yeah. Aaron. Um, exactly. And, and, you know, he did some Skype sessions with me where he taught me exactly. Cause you don't set it up the way that you would, if you were just going to pack out an animal, you have to it super-duper tight up in the shoulder so it's not bouncing around, and then you put the weight down in the hips.

So it works for running two miles really hard, but it's super uncomfortable, and it's not biomechanically favorable, and it sucks. But it's good for running. Yeah, so they call that the meat pack. Do you have to do it that way, or is it just a matter of how much weight you have on your back? Could you use one of those Atlas packs have you seen those Atlas things from outdoorsman's it's essentially it's a pack frame with a traditional Olympic bolt on the end of it where you put the

plates on it what are those things called the end of a weight bar or the weight weight slide on them what would you call that the end of a weight bar with a like you know like the end of a slide? Like the end of a barbell? Yeah, the end of a bar. I don't know. It's called the end of a barbell. Well, they have one of those, a post. I guess you'd call it a post. A cap? Yeah. They have one of those that's hanging out of the back. See if you can find it. It's called the Atlas Trainer, Jamie.

Outdoorsmans.com. And it's a pack? Yeah, it's a pack frame. I hike with it on. This is it. Show me a picture. It's pretty dope. Whoa. Yeah.

Okay, yeah. Game changer. Outdoorsmans.com. That's kind of cool. That's cool. Good people. You could use whatever you want. As long as you have weight in it, you just have to figure out how to – because everybody has to use a standard weight,

so you have to use the sandbag that they issue to you and figure out a way to strap it on. You have to use the same object, so everybody's using a sandbag just so you don't come in with your own weight. But I was just saying if you did that, you'd have a 45-pound plate. That you painted a 45-pound logo on. Anyways, so you do the meat pack, and you get a certain amount of time for that, and then you do the obstacle course, which is the real hoot,

and which they still do because they got rid of the meat pack. But the obstacle course is like your— They got rid of the meat pack. Well, it's not... It doesn't make sense, right? They designed this whole competition to simulate hunting, to prepare a hunter to hunt, and to train a hunter to hunt properly,

and it just flew in the face of everything that is hunting, which is, you know, jacked-up nervous system, you know, rushing through the woods with a giant pack. You just don't pack out an animal like that. Right. And they'd have to figure out a way to put, like, a speed limiter on. Like, oh, hey, you're not allowed to run. Oh, that's stupid.

So, yeah. How many guys got their legs blown out? It makes sense. I don't know. But people were getting hurt, and it just didn't make sense. I'm jacked at my back. It's cool. Like, I get it.

I kind of wish they still had it because I was good at that part. Because, like, I'm an endurance athlete, and I'm kind of strong. So, for me, it worked out pretty well uh and then they have the obstacle course which is like crawling under barbed wire stand shoot and then you're doing like um you know like sandbag over the shoulder 20 reps shoot 30 burpees and and for the obstacle course you have a 50 pound pack or a 40 pound pack on your back they kind of adjust the pack weight based off which division that you're in but so you're using a smaller pack so i use the kefir pack again they just had like a smaller pack same thing you got a sandbag it's a lighter sandbag so you're carrying that through

the whole course but you're stopping and shooting along the way so it's like you're you're learning how to just imagine if you if you're like rushing up a hill and you got to the top of the hill and you got to calm your heart where you calm your nervous system very quickly and get your shot off. And granted, you're not necessarily going to be hauling a sandbag up that hill and doing a bunch of burpees, but it's kind of simulating that idea of shooting with your heart rate elevated. And it's,

it's a hard course. I mean, like there are like legitimate, you know, hardcore CrossFitters and athletes that do this, but it's a combination of being able to shoot well and being able to, to fitness. Well, that's the interesting thing about bow hunting is that bow hunting really does require fitness. Well, when I did that high country. Yeah. I was, I was wearing this, uh, this,

this ring we were talking about when I did that hunt in Hawaii and I did like 46 miles over the course of five days, just like crawling and walking and hiking and sprinting. I mean, that's why I like bow hunting. It's a challenge. And the train to hunt guy, Kenton, he told me about these competitions and I was watching them. And I'm like, I really want to try this. Because at that point I'd firearm hunted for two years. I didn't grow up hunting.

fire-armed hunted for two years. I didn't grow up hunting. I grew up, you know, homeschooled, playing chess and playing the violin, reading books and playing World of Warcraft. Like I was, I was not like a hunter kid growing up and neither were my parents, right? Like we'd occasionally go fishing for trout. That was about it in the, in the stocked pond. So hunting was new for me. I'd been hunting for two years, totally self-taught. Like I failed to address my first animal with the little, you know, YouTube video on the iPhone where I'm following along and I've got my knife and I'm watching the video because that's the way I'm being homeschooled, right? Like I like to teach myself things. I just grew up as a very independent learner. So all of my hunting was self-taught. That's a great benefit. Yeah. There are drawbacks to being very resistant to learning from others or having mentors.

I think that you also don't play well with others, right? Like I grew up as when I got to college, I was very poor at like the team activities. You weren't socialized. I was very good at creating, at leading, at thinking outside the box, at kind of being a lot more independent. That's fascinating because that's what homeschooling did for me. That's what you wound up doing. That's what you do.

It is what I wound up doing. And also I read a copious amount, I wrote a copious amount, and that's still what I do because that's what I kind of grew up doing, homeschooled. And it was really tennis that got me into fitness. Like I played tennis in college and I got big into tennis in high school. And in Idaho where I was at the time, there's a rule that homeschooled kids could play sports at the local public school. So I played tennis and that really got me into sports. And then I studied exercise physiology and biomechanics in college.

And here I am. What was that like going from being homeschooled to hanging out with public school kids? Really awkward. Because you're not in class with them. You're not at the prom. You're not doing any of the social things that they're doing. But then you might show up at tennis practice or whatever. And same thing when you get to college.

You're just not used to. I mean, like, dude, I went off the deep end in college because I graduated when I was 15. And I didn't do like a gap year or anything. Like I just started college when I was 16 and I did not have good self-control around sex and alcohol and drugs and all these things that all of a sudden I was immersed in in college. And no one was there to tell you no. Yeah. The way I raise my kids is they, for example, there are really no rules in our house, right? Like they can try rum and scotch and whiskey and they can take a hit off the vape pen. They're nine, but they also have been educated about what

that might do to their liver or to the gray matter in their brain. Or we don't say no gluten. I tell them, you know, gluten is going to affect your test stores, cores, creates neural inflammation, can create some gastric inflammation. You get to choose when you go to the birthday party, whether you're going to have the gluten. And sometimes it comes back to bite me because we'll go out to a restaurant and they'll bring the bread out to the restaurant. My boys will be like, no, no, we don't want the, we don't want the bread. And I'm like, but I kind of wanted little piece of bread here. So that I think that's a better way to raise a child, right? You educate them about the consequences of their decision, and then you let them make the decision themselves. You equip them rather than creating a bunch of forbidden fruit,

which is the way that I was kind of raised, right? So, so yeah, it was a little tricky, the whole college thing. But back to, back to bow hunting, it was this train hunting. And Kenton came over to my house and I asked him about like, kind of like the spearfishing, like what's, what's the bow? What release do I get? what arrows do I get how do I do this I went to the my local bow shop I took some lessons in shooting um and then I my first hunt uh what was my first hunt aside from my property because I'm on 10 acres maybe a copious amount of whitetail so I shot my first animal out there my first major hunt was high country colorado we did like a horseback hunt with a guide there you know and that would you got me hooked if this was uh this was elk came back after seven days with nothing that was my

very first hunt so and then my first actual kill was i hunted axis deer down in texas amazing amazing texas is crazy i mean test i was telling you they have like freaking zebras you can believe me i know they have everything yeah yeah i've hunted there came back and neil guy and african animals and my wife bought us a sausage maker and me and my boys made made axis deer sausage and the back strap and it was amazing and now now they're little they're little chefs dude like they uh that's cool they made like bone broth like made baked donuts out of breadfruit flour and they use bone broth and colostrum and they made like a cream cheese ginger frosting and a dark chocolate cacao frosting and it actually tastes like real donuts what was this from a recipe yeah from a recipe and they had like donut molds and you bake them

bone broth colostrum donut recipe we made it it up. Oh, you made it up. Yeah, yeah. And they use breadfruit flour. Or they do pad thai, but they use those shirataki noodles I was talking about. And they use organic roasted crickets, like instead of shrimp or chicken. And the crickets actually taste really good. They're like nutty and salty. Are they buying these crickets or are they raising them?

I think the company, yeah, they're not raising the crickets. They're not. I think it's called Akeda is the company that they get the crickets. And they're really good. They, like, send you these little bagged crickets. This is a place I go to in Mexico. Resulto. Yeah, crickets are actually really tasty.

Yeah. This is a place I go to in Mexico, and they give them to you. Like, it's a little appetizer they leave in your room when you go to this resort. Yeah, it's like a fried cricket. It's an appetizer to leave in your room when you go to this resort. Really? Yeah, it's like a fried cricket. It's an appetizer. It's like the resort you go to with the apples and the mango covered in the cellophane. They have all those things. But instead, it's crickets.

Well, they have that, too. They have crickets, too. Wow. And it's very tasty. They're dark, and they're somehow or another cooked. I don't know what they're seasoned with. Sustainable, mineral-rich source of protein. Yeah.

Yeah, and I don't— See, the thing about most people that are like they don't want animals to die they don't usually give a shit about bugs yeah not a lot of people find like a june bug super cute and cry when it when it gets killed or a mosquito vegans will slap mosquitoes when they're on their arms yeah i read a study this morning of gene editing mosquitoes now like they're using crisPR technology to make the mosquitoes less likely to bite you. I saw that. Isn't that crazy?

Yeah, it's very bizarre. Yeah. And if you, there was a little cool little anecdote from that study too, where they found that mosquitoes actually have like, like they learn. If you swat at the mosquito, it actually learns to avoid you. And so if, if you, you know, normally I just like put some on my skin, like cinnamon essential oil or something that drives a mosquito away. Does that work?

Yeah, it does. You want to dilute it because it's like a very, it's a burning oil. But cinnamon works amazingly. But have you ever tried it in like Alaska where they have like really aggressive mosquitoes? I don't know why where there's a lot of mosquitoes. It's a different animal. It would work for me. But been to Alaska?

No. Get out of the fucking car and they swarm you like a pack of zombies. Alaska doesn't seem like a place I would envision having these like special snow mosquitoes. No, they just don't live very long so they're incredibly aggressive. I mean, I'm telling you, it's the

weirdest thing I've ever seen. We went salmon fishing there, me and my friend Ari, and we opened up the car door to get out and in the time it took to open the car door, a swarm of mosquitoes was inside the car. And I'm not exaggerating, several hundred mosquitoes. Oh my goodness. Show that video that you pulled up once. We were talking about this with the clouds of mosquitoes in Alaska.

It's fucking crazy. That sounds like when I grew up. I grew up in Lewiston, Idaho, and we would get these grasshopper infestations. Like each year. Yeah, locusts. And apparently they plant their eggs in the ground and then like in the spring of the summer they hatch that yeah that's mosquitoes in Alaska Wow dude I'm telling you it's the craziest fucking that's like a bird by mosquitoes oh birdie getting jacked my goodness

dude I'm telling you I've never seen anything like it. And we were covered with DDT and all that shit, but you feel terrible. Yeah, the DEET. Do you know about thermocels? Cancer sticks. I do now. I think I've been using them because my kids camp outside sometimes in the forest, and I set one of those little thermocel things in front of there.

They're amazing. It was terrible. We were getting jacked by mosquitoes. Wow. Yeah. Is that why the fur is like that? I have no idea. On that caribou?

Yeah, the grasshoppers at our house in Lewiston, we would actually go sell them to pet stores. Like that's how we'd make money in the summers because there'd be so many of them. Me and my brothers would walk around with cages, catch these grasshoppers and bring them to pet stores. We'll use them for like tarantulas and stuff like that. And then this army guy who was in the military came up to our house and he showed us how they these grasshoppers and bring them to pet stores. We'll use them for tarantulas and stuff like that. And then this army guy who was in the military came up to our house and he showed us how they eat grasshoppers.

So we started eating grasshoppers and we would microwave grasshoppers, just figure out every way to kill a grasshopper. And the way that we got rid of them was we introduced praying mantis and chicken to our property. Oh, chickens are motherfuckers, dude. Yeah, so we introduced a bunch of chickens and then we have chickens at our property up in Spokane now, too. I have chickens right here. Eggs, yeah. Icelandic chickens. They're very, very hardy in the winter. Oh, they're different. And then the goats that we have are Nigerian dwarf goats. Nigerian? Nigerian dwarf goats.

They're a very small goat, and they produce a lot of milk for their actual size, and they're very hardy in the winter. Do you milk them? And they're small, and they're very hardy in the winter and they're small and they're cute and we haven't milked them yet because they need to be uh they they have to be pregnant to produce the milk and we've had some issues with like the babies dying and like we're we're we're learning our goat game however we did have to tie rubber bands around a bunch of their testicles recently to to neuter some of the males once you get them in that light machine? Because we're training the males to be pat goats. Yeah, put them in front of the light machine. Oh, so you have to neuter them, so you're killing their balls with rubber bands.

Right, exactly. Yikes. Yeah. I've heard a dude do that. Look at the little cute guys. Oh, they're adorable. Yeah, those are little Nigerian dwarf goats. And we have little tires.

Oh, look at them go. We have little tires that they play on. They're super cute. Guys are hilarious. My kids love them. Jumping over each other. They named them after candy bars, like M&M and Caramel and Milky Way and Toffee. And did you buy them just for pets or did you buy them?

We bought them originally for milk because goat milk, the protein is smaller. It's very thermodynamically compatible with the human body. Apparently, the only one that's better is camel milk. There was a company out of California that was sending me camel's milk to my house for a while. Apparently it's super duper healthy for you and the protein is smaller and more absorbable and it's less

hypoallergenic and friendly to your immune system. Well, when my daughter was young, she could not digest actual cow milk. It just really didn't agree with her, but goat milk was fine. It's one of the things we we found and I started drinking goat milk I just yeah I feel like it tastes better you know what I like is the colostrum your views colostrum Oh Jamie just basically just like playing was this goat yoga yeah

people do yoga with goats they apparently find it relaxing I would get so baby relax you do it down dog and you got like a cloven hoof. They like it though. On your cervical vertebra. It's really popular, man. I think I would get a kick out of that. It distracts you a little bit. This just looks like.

That's white people. Yeah. That's a white people thing. Yeah, this looks like something people who have never been on a farm would do. They're like goats, yoga. Yeah, Seattle. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, they go walk out of starbucks with

their their frappuccino and they go sit with the goats exactly yeah they um you've got a great system out there though it sounds awesome it's a good setup wild animals out there yeah it's a good setup and then i have an obstacle i built an obstacle course because i do all this obstacle course racing right and you know what's cool is you can take all these little little bow targets and you set them up around the obstacle course so you like climb the rope and come down right and then you shoot your bow and then you move on do you practice like standing still though and working on your form and doing that as well where you're not tired yeah exactly it's it's meditative i would like to have john it's very relaxing sit down with you and go over this idea because you

you also trigger shoot you're not you're not using a surprise release i haven't i haven't i took one class at my bow shop on surprise release and i like it and i get it and frankly i feel like there's a lot less strain in the shoulder when you pull back because for a while i was getting like some of the shoulder like some of the brachialis issues from from pulling back why would it be different um you know how when you do a lat pull down and if you grip thumbs off use more of the lats and if you grip thumbs on you use more of the more of the biceps and the forearm muscles right I felt like it was similar to that I felt like with the with the surprise release I was using more of my back and less of my forearm and biceps I don't know if

there's something to that but it doesn't make any sense because the draw is exactly the same way. The only difference is the release. Yeah, it felt a lot different. The thing about archery is it's like martial arts in that if you learn the wrong way, it's very difficult to unlearn. When I was teaching martial arts, it was way better to get someone who was open-minded, who had never had any martial arts experience, versus someone who had many many years

in a shitty martial art because those people had these deeply ingrained pathways that were whenever the shit would get weird or they would get uncomfortable or that gets nervous they would go back to their old technique yeah yeah it makes sense yeah and with archery it's it's very different. There's also a series of instructionals that can show you about surprise releases that John Dudley's done and put online. And there's a guy named Joel Turner that has this whole dedicated thing to avoiding target panic in high-pressure situations. He's got a website. It used to be called Iron Mind Hunting, but now he calls it Shot IQ. I think it's Shot IQ. Isn't Iron Mind the people that sell the Captains of Crush hand grip strengtheners?

I think that's another company, but I love those guys. I have a bunch of those. I have those up 197 pounds. I don't know. I think mine might be like 150, but I have two things. I travel with one of those power lungs that you breathe in and out of to strengthen the expiratory and inspiratory muscles and the diaphragm. And then a captain's of crush.

And so if I'm on like a long road trip and I got to drive a long time, I go back and forth between the hand grip strengthener and then the lung strengthener. I'll just like work out for like two hours while you're driving. That's awesome. It's amazing. You put on a good book and work the grip and work the lungs. Yeah, I'm a big believer in those grip things. I mean, it just makes your hands so much stronger. the captains of crush i mean they don't fuck around those are really hard and you combine that with the apnea so you pass out a few times

super safe safe way to drive your hands are going just like you got a sweat on you're blue in the face you can't even grip the steering wheel because your grip's gone yeah well dude we're short on time here but i feel like we could probably talk for about six days and you would never run out of things to talk about that's fun yeah well how often you around here man we got to do this again I avoid LA yeah I like it up in Spokane oh yeah what I do is when I travel like batch stuff here like I'm just like back to bed like I shot four documentaries yesterday and then you know talk the day before like I batch a lot of meetings right go home

So I'll go I'll go out to Malibu tonight, and then I'm gonna go to That that human garage treatment on on the 31st Because I've been following those guys online the human garage and it seems really fucking interesting weird Yeah, they do that goes back and forth like I've had some people tell me like that it's like cultish right that yeah cuz you go in there and you gotta be like a member of their tribe and and they but I have never I've never experienced anything like that and I I'm not quite sure what people mean when they say that big

profile you're a famous fitness guy it might might be they let you slide on a cult. I don't know, but I enjoy it. They, like, fill you full of, like, high-dose curcumin before you go in so your muscles just, like, melt. And then they have, like, four massage therapists working on you at the same time. And they taught me this, how, like, if one's, like, rubbing your head in a clockwise direction, but the other guy's mashing on your adductor with their elbow. You don't feel the mashing on the adductor as much because like the, the movement on your head is distracting you from that.

And then somebody else is working on your leg and they have like all these essential oils that they, they fill the air with. They're like special oils that, that cause you to relax and be a little bit more open to the deep tissue work. And everybody there like goes through a special trend. I i liked it so much i actually i i flew one of their guys up to my house to work on me at my house they're doing it right that's me what is that that's it is that there yeah that's there that's there yeah exactly that's about the salt gary and he he like put on the first time i was there he was like working on my back, and he worked on my back by putting on a rubber glove.

Hey. And straight up through the, I actually have had that intra-butt massage. Okay. They work on, no, they work on your pelvic floor. It's pelvic floor therapy. Inside your asshole. That gets tight just like anything else. So they go through your asshole to get to there.

Yes, they go into your asshole. That sounds like something that a pervert would tell you. They do it a lot of times for women with incontinence. No, I had a girl down in Kauai do it. It was a Gabby Reese's trainer. Like she actually, she does like dry needling and intra-butt therapy.

Get that rubber glove on there. Yeah. Does it hurt? She also, she had me buy like this glass tool so I could do it myself. So I do this.

I go in through my butt and I do a massage. It sounds weird, but it actually works. The glass tool? Why don't they make it out of metal? That shit gets tight. What if it breaks? Glass is smooth. I don't massage. It sounds weird, but it actually works. The glass tool? Why don't they make it out of metal? That shit gets tight.

What if it breaks? Glass is smooth. I don't know. Hey, polish the metal. The fuck? Putting glass in your asshole. Have you ever seen one of those Faces of Death videos? Isn't that like, what are those?

My roommates in college used to rent those. It seems like that would be a way someone would die. No. There's a video of a guy who stuck a bottle up his ass, and then the bottle breaks. It's one of those. No, I stop at THC suppositories and actual proven deep tissue devices. Yeah, glass rods.

Anyways, yeah, the human guards, they went in through my mouth to work on my back. They went in through your mouth? They go in through your mouth like a big old rubber glove, and they're working on the different areas. You know how if you work on your infraspinatus or your teres minor in your shoulder, it can actually get rid of pain on the front of your shoulder? Really?

There are certain trigger points, yes. And it's very similar. There are certain trigger points on the head that refer to the back or the psoas. It's really interesting, this whole idea behind fascia and trigger points and how when you're working on one area, it actually affects another area. Well, I got rolfing done a few times when I had some pretty bad back injuries, and I found that to be pretty interesting. Yeah. Very painful.

Yeah. I haven't had any rolfing done. I had it from a giant dude, too. I don't think I've ever had rolfing. I use a lot of those vibrating foam rollers and vibrating deep tissue devices, though. Yeah, I'm a big fan of those. But most of the time you're not going somewhere to get deep tissue? Yeah.

Most of the time I do my own, and I just started to begin to have a massage therapist come to my house once a week. Because I think, like, there's a certain amount of relaxation that you get when somebody else is working on you and you're laying down on a table and I have like this you've used like a bio mat a bio mat like produces a bunch of heat so I lay down on the bio mat and I put on my Michael Tyrell beads

and diffuse essential oil and have her work on me for a couple hours usually I'll have her come over after dinner like around 7.30, 8 o'clock and you know like after the family's kind of wrapped up and she'll just work on me at night and then hours. Usually I'll have her come over after dinner, like around, you know, 7.30, 8 o'clock, and, you know, like after the family's kind of wrapped up, and she'll just work on me at night, and then I go to bed. It's amazing. Listen, Ben, you're a fascinating dude. I'm glad we got a chance to talk.

Awesome, dude. Really cool. Chance to talk, chance to shoot. Really appreciate it. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. That's a sick techno hunt setup. Yeah, it was a lot of fun, dude. Thank you very much for doing this.

Awesome. Appreciate it. Thanks, dude. And people can find you on your website. Wherever. Just Google. Instagram, Twitter, all that jazz. All those places. Ben people can find you on your website. Wherever. Just Google. Instagram, Twitter, all that jazz. All those places.

Ben Greenfield, ladies and gentlemen. Later. Later. Later. Later.