The Joe Rogan Experience - #1071 - Steven Crowder & NotGay Jared

Episode Date: January 30, 2018

Steven Crowder is an actor, comedian and former contributor for the Fox News Channel. He currently runs his own website and also a podcast along with producer NotGay Jared called “Louder With Crowder” available on Spotify.

The dragon's mouth and his thing. Five, four, three, two, one. Yes, and we're live. Oh, okay. Gentlemen. Hello. You still have the ability to go live. That's nice.

Oh, yeah. You guys got fucked. Who'd you get fucked by? Mr. Rogers fucked you? Yeah, Mr. Rogers. It's funny. The people who go after us, the Bob Ross estate. Every woman over the age of 90s dream.

Yeah. But this is what's confusing. Most of what you guys do in terms of the Bob Ross thing in particular, first of all, that took a lot of balls. Because you had Bob Ross painting Muhammad, which is in period blood, the second one, because the BuzzFeed women were doing the painting. It was YouTube.

This was actually after meeting with YouTube. Never ask him how you can top something, because we'll pull the sucker right up to you. There you go. It's almost like a... You should know. You're on SM7 in our studio. I don't know.

But yeah, we were... So the Bob Ross estate got after you. But that's parody. How can they mock you or how can they get you in trouble for mocking something or doing parody? Here's why. You have a system with YouTube, right,

where they just strike. They just strike you and you lose your privileges whether you win or not. We've never lost. So the Bob Ross estate a system with YouTube, right, where they just strike. They just strike you, and you lose your privileges whether you win or not. We've never lost. So the Bob Ross estate sent us a message, right? And it was saying, like, first off, have you no decency? You know this isn't in accordance with Islamic law.

We're sort of like laughing our asses off. Accordance with Islamic law? Like you're supposed to be in accordance with Islamic law when you're doing parody? They thought that we didn't know that it was offensive. Yeah, they thought we didn't know. Like we stumbled across this. And so then we responded to the lawyers as bob ross uh well let's uh welcome back to the joy of painting we're gonna draw our lawyer friends eating from a nice big pile of shit

and we painted them eating from a pile of corn infested shit and then at the end of the video we're like and it looks like they need a friend and put muhammad right next to them in the pile and it hangs above our bathroom and we've never heard from them again they need a friend and put Muhammad right next to them in the pile. And it hangs above our bathroom. And we've never heard from them again. They sent us cease and desist. And we ran it past our lawyers. We think the shock may have killed them. Yeah. And now we have Mr. Rogers.

Now, what is Mr. Rogers mad about? We did a parody. We did a few parodies of, you know, Won't You Be My Neighbor intros. That was it. Like a year ago. But again, how could someone put a strike on you for a parody? I mean, I thought that is protected. Well, you know, you get into the realm of parody and satire, but even then it depends on who looks at it.

That's the problem with YouTube, right? Last time we got our privileges back. This time we didn't. We're like, listen, we've never lost a case. We've counter-filed. We've always won. This is clearly parody. Mr. Rogers was actually your brother doing it on a keyboard.

So we didn't even borrow any of their logos, their nothing. Nothing. 100% original. Now, here's what's fucked up. You were telling me about a meeting that you guys had when you went to New York for YouTube. And they were comparing what is demonetized and what's not demonetized. And they had something. Just explain what happened.

We don't exactly know because it's boilerplate answers, right? We get brought out. A bunch of conservatives get brought out to New York. Like who was with you? With you. Well, us, you know, the Daily Wire people, the Prager, who were really cool, you know, Ben Shapiro's guys, those guys there at Forward Publishing. And then a bunch of think tanks.

A bunch of think tanks, mostly. And everyone sat there and played nice. And they bring out this whole spread. They bring you into the Google offices. Give you a tour of the place. They give you a tour. This is in New York. This is in New York.

Do they fly you out or do they ask you to fly out? No, they fly out. They pay for the whole thing. They pay for the whole thing. Put you up. Yeah. How long ago is this? Summer.

Was it summer? Yeah, I think it was summer. I don't know. Six months ago. Our half Asian lawyer, Bill, came with us and they didn't know. We just were like, he's our producer. So he came out and we were just sitting down there. Sat there right next to us, the whole thing.

Voted like number one lawyer in the state and hilarious, really funny guy. So we go out there and we're just sitting there kind of listening. And they're just saying nothing. And finally I said, well, you know, what's happening with demonetization? What's happening with, obviously, we're all conservatives here. We've had our videos put in restricted mode. What are the guidelines? We don't know.

And they wouldn't, they're like, well, that's a very good question. And they looked to the back of the room. We'll be talking about that later in the day. Elephant in the room as if it wasn't obvious. That's why everyone's there. That's what happened. That was the period blood. They're like,

well, you know, things that are hate speech, things that could be offensive, things like current events, it can be controversial. And so everyone's sitting there. Yeah.

But I just said, I said, what about, what about Buzzfeed women painting in period blood in the trending feed painting last week in viscousy, chunky period blood on the home feed that's on YouTube trending. What about that? Is that considered child-friendly? And conservatives were in there looking back.

I was like, we were ruining the movie. I'm saying, why are we here? That's a big problem. People don't say anything. Well, that is a very valid discussion. That's valid. If you can paint in period blood, and I don't think you should be restricted.

I think if you want to paint in period blood, as long as I know what you're doing, it says painting in period blood. Well, I'm going to avoid that one. They were proud of the title. It was in the title. Don't put that in my suggested feed. Well, I might actually watch it, but here's the thing. Not these women.

I might. I might just for the hell of it. This is the Boldly channel. But the point is, like, I don't want to take that right away from them. But I'm confused by what is okay, what's not okay. They embolden the right

if you silence them. You embolden the left if you silence them. You embolden people when you give them power. You make the whole thing bigger than it has to be. People are allowed

to have differences of opinions and they're allowed to have different ideologies. But when you have a platform where you radically restrict one ideology and you openly support another one, you're picking a side.

It's kind of like Dinesh D'Souza talks about. It's not about the laws. It's is it applied equally. Right. YouTube doesn't even respect the laws. Here's something that can happen with YouTube. Just to give you an example. A lot of people don't know this. So there's a single-party consent state, two-party consent state. California's one of the few states where both people have to know they're on camera. Now, even sometimes in a two-party consent state, there's no reasonable expectation of privacy if you're at a public event.

If you're at a public protest, you can't say, hey, you can't take my picture. You're there publicly protesting. So these are legal layers, right? We had someone in a single party consent state, in Michigan, on camera, at a public protest, sign a release to give an interview, and then complain to YouTube and said, I don't want to be on that video.

It didn't matter that we presented the law, the paperwork to YouTube. It was taken down. We had to blur the face. But did they... Was it under false pretenses? Like, did they think that you were doing one thing and then you were really doing something else? No, the crazy thing is this actually was a guy. Who agreed with us on almost everything.

Yeah, he was talking about divestment. He was really smart. Maybe that's what he's pissed about. Well, you know what? He probably just got a lot of feedback and was like, well, this is freaking me out. I want to get out of this. Yeah, but as a content creator, you can't be like, well, sorry, I didn't like it. Right.

Yeah, we don't. I mean. Right, but you can understand like his perspective perspective like him trying to get it taken down If you're a general public person, and you don't know what the fuck you're doing you say something you don't put a line it on him He realized later. He was raped it was much later. Yeah Now I feel like I say when you when you put pointed out the whole period blood thing, painting in period blood? What?

Dead silence. No one said anything? They didn't respond to you? That's a good question. We'll get to that later in the day. So later in the day was when they came out with this next-gen news. And it got to a point where next-gen news. We're just hissing ourselves laughing.

So explain this because you explained it to me earlier. Well, I was like, the problem is, right, we have to be careful because otherwise they'll take it out of context. So this is the news portion of the day. This whole YouTube conference, bringing out conservatives and, you know, the salmon pate plate, which I don't think there's anything grosser. He was eating pasted fish in the car on the way here. It was quick and delicious. So I think it was a next-gen news or evolution. I always get it wrong.

Whatever I think it is, it's the opposite. So I think it's next-gen. We'll call it next-gen. Our lawyers would completely advocate against what we're doing. We're giving such specificity. So this is the exact channel. It's like hip hop and sneakers, you know, like a sneaker hall with whatever the guy from the show Black-ish Anthony, whatever, that kind of stuff.

So it's a lot of hip hop news. They come out to teach us how to do news. And they go, so before we show, you know, so-and-so from next gen news, a sizzle reel. And every other word is the N-word, M-effer. And you could see them looking back and they'd turn it down. Because this is what the whole channel is. They didn't screen that. No, they didn't screen it.

And she comes out and she's talking about news and how to create content and the algorithms. And knowing your audience. Knowing your audience. And she is the content creator? She's like the person on YouTube. She's one of the founders of it, I guess. Oh, okay. And so she's explaining. You're filming someone

going, I like these sneakers. I don't know what content it is. And then I just said, yeah, you know, at this point they've been saying we're going to get to news all day. This is the first time someone's come out. I said, yeah, question. We just heard about the new guidelines and now it's supposed to be advertiser friendly. It's supposed to be family friendly.

Considering that you deal with hip hop and a lot of pretty adult, pretty profane content, have you been hit by, at the time it was called the adpocalypse. I said, have you been hit by this? And she said, no, not at all. I said, okay, no further questions. That's amazing. So all of that stuff's fine.

It's fine. It's just about the wrong opinion. That's really what it comes down to. But is it fine because they're black? She wasn't black? She wasn't black. No, she wasn't black. She was a white girl. I think she was black. Really? Yeah.

Well, that's like me saying that I'm Irish. I've been talking about this. I am more Irish than a lot of people that call themselves black. I'm one quarter Irish, three quarters Italian. But if you look at me, I look mostly Italian. But if I said, I'm an Irish man, people would be like, wait a minute. Yeah. Are you really?

She was like Amber Crombie and Fitch Black. Yeah. Yeah. Amber Crombie and Fitch Black. She's generically ethnic. Okay. Like if I were a guy, you know, you'd have no problems with them dating your daughter if you were kind of a racist.

They knew that I was pretty bad. I'll let it slide. They don't want to intimidate everybody. But if she went to like a really fucking heavy duty hip hop place and started throwing that word around, they would look at her like, hey, is she even allowed? Are you allowed to say that? Can you go blurting out the N word when you're that white? I didn't know that she could do it with her sizzle reel. Well, that seems like a bit of a problem, right?

That's like one of those weird double standard rules in terms of like the language. Like if you are in that community, you're allowed to use what is otherwise extremely offensive language. Yeah, sure. It's like you have to have a hood pass to use it, but you need like the platinum version.

Yeah. To really go all the way. You need your hood pass black. But especially on YouTube. I mean, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with using that language. I had a conversation, I told you about this, that I had a conversation with this woman from YouTube, and one of the things that we were talking about

was demonetization, and we were talking about, like, why things get flagged, and I was talking about a conversation that got flagged on something. Jamie, what is it called when someone recommends something and they have it in their feed, like their preferred playlist, like a regular person, not a content creator. But if they have it on their, you know, you could do that.

You can have it in your channel. I think it's just like suggested playlists. It's their algorithms. Is that what it's called? You would call it a, but not their algorithms. Like you would pick it. Like say if I watch one of your videos, a video on Bob Ross and I liked it. You put it in your queue?

Is that what it is? Oh, the queue. Yes. Okay. So this guy got flagged. Gosh, I feel really stupid right now. Like none of us just got that one film. We're all on YouTube too.

Stupid asses. But so this guy got flagged and it was just a conversation between Sam Harris and some other guy. I forget who he was. It was an intellectual. And it was about left-wing culture. And it was about left-wing radical ideology. And they were criticizing it.

And this got his channel flagged. And I was like, well, how is this possible? And she's like, well, he's advocating that people watch this and it must promote hate speech. I'm like, I fucking guarantee you that doesn't promote hate speech. Right. Did you guys even watch it or does somebody else complain about it and flag it? And then I brought up Jordan Peterson, who, by the way, was just here, just left.

Yeah, he's going to be on our show there next week, too. I smell Canada. You smell maple syrup. And she said, like, he's a problem. He's a bit of a problem. He's a troublemaker. I'm like, he's a troublemaker. Because he has his own opinions on things?

What is going on? Are you guys promoting a very specific ideology and anyone who differs from that is hate speech? Because we're getting crazy if that's the case. I think a lot of them don't know. Here it is. Oh, is this it? Yeah, Douglas Murray.

Hey, look, I can see it over there now. Community guidelines strike for just listening to an honest intellectual conversation between Sam Harris and Douglas Murray. Who's the guy who got it dinking down? Yeah, the man's P-T-R-K-C-C-X. He's very bold. Yeah, so this is a Community Guideline Strike. By the way, I listened to that conversation between Sam Harris and Doug Murray Douglas sorry Douglas

there's nothing offensive about it it's just they're discussing things well here's the thing is now we've scaled it backwards there's nothing even if there were something offensive about it see if you can find the actual video what that is and find out what the title of it is and if maybe there's some sort of a description does it say this thing here is the title what does it say there

just says Sam Harris and Douglas Murray? Yeah. I forget who Douglas Murray is, but click on him. See if you can click on him. Author of the Strange Death of Europe. Okay. Immigration Identity Islam. That's what it is. So Douglas Murray is

critical of the open border policy that you're seeing become very problematic in some parts of Europe. And by the way... Which is funny because Sam Harris is against the wall, against Donald Trump's wall. So it's like that's just two people probably with differing opinions on that issue to some degree. Well, Sam Harris is a pretty noted critic of Islam, but I think... Yeah, but I mean the immigration thing here.

He's more open borders in the States than a guy like that probably. Yes, yeah. the immigration thing here. He's more open borders in the States than a guy like that, probably. Yeah. Well, I think what he's

essentially saying is they're talking about the very real issues that they're dealing with in Europe. It sucks. And in YouTube's eyes, yeah.

We played a video the other day of Paris, of some parts of Paris that immigrants have moved into and just fucking completely wrecked. I'm not anti-immigration. My grandparents were immigrants.

But I'm just saying that there's a real issue. And this guy, Douglas Murray, was discussing this real issue with Sam Harris. That got flagged and it got labeled as hate speech. Well, I had a... It's fucking crazy, man. It's weird. I had a friend, Lee Doran. So he actually, he's graduated

like a University of Michigan law, really just a brilliant, brilliant guy. He's like a Shapiro kind of guy. And he was one of the early, early YouTubers, early adopters, first other conservative on YouTube, very analytical, very dry, very smart. And he did a video that was, it was just called something like the Japanese were not the victims in World War II.

And it was a video about the atrocities, I think, the Japanese committed against the Chinese. That's all it was. Like the rape of Nam King. But he didn't get, yes, but he didn't get super graphic. But he was basically talking about like, people just look back and they look at Hiroshima, but let's actually. Like the rape of Nam King. Yes, but he didn't get super graphic. But he was basically talking about, people just look back and they look at Hiroshima, but let's actually look at the aspirations

of the Japanese Empire. Historical, it was removed as hate speech. And here's the thing, he came to me, and because we had those contacts directly at YouTube, they immediately apologized and fixed it. But what worries me is, well, what if you don't have a million plus subscribers? Right.

You know, what if I weren't there for him? And that's the one thing that I always get worried about with comedy and with a lot of entertainers is they kind of pave a path. And sometimes you see these guys like close the door behind them. Like, well, it was okay for me to say it, but now this is, that's really, I've learned better. We shouldn't say it. It's like, well, hold on a second. We're in the boat where you were, you know? Yeah.

Well, and there's a lot of famine thinking going on in that regard where people automatically want to protect what they have and get nervous about it. And they forget what got them there in the first place. What makes any of us popular is the ability to express yourself online in a way that resonates with other people that are listening. Now, as soon as you restrict that, as soon as you change that and say, well, I just want to do real good and I'm making a lot of money now. I'm going to change who I am. You're fucked. You're fucked. You're just fucked. I would take it a step further and say, well, I just want to do real good and I'm making a lot of money now. I'm going to change who I am. You're fucked. You're fucked. You're just fucked.

I would take it a step further and say authenticity. I think people like you because you're authentic. Yeah. I think we're pretty authentic with what we do with the show. I mean, we're pretty straightforward. People come up and they meet us at shows and they're like, wow, it feels like you're on your show. You can't be authentic and play by YouTube's rules

unless you completely agree with them. You have to agree with them. You have to agree with them. You have to be authentically willing to abide by their rules. Exactly. So that's the whole thing. There's no authenticity. It's like regardless of the rules that they claim, which are so ambiguous, in practice, there's no way to make it work. is indicative of the ideology that radiates throughout Silicon Valley, which is radical left, progressive, neo-Marxist sort of ideology. And there's so much of that going on throughout

Silicon Valley, so much in the tech community, so much uber progressive thinking, which, you know, look, I think all of it comes from the right place. I think they all want no racism. They want no hate speech. They all want wonderful things. But you can't just decide arbitrarily what is and isn't based on your perspective. You have to look at it honestly. And I don't think they're doing that. I think when you look at that Douglas Murray, Sam Harris thing, and the guy getting a community strike for just liking it. I mean, this is crazy.

They take an authoritarian approach to solving the whole thing, and then refuse to accept the results, which is the Donald Trump presidency and the things they've created. Well, in their defense, one of the things that they did say to me, that the problem they're dealing with- Yes, the YouTube people. The problem what they're dealing with is blunt tools. They're saying these tools that demonetize things, they're not good yet. And she said within the next six to eight months, they're going to get better.

Bullshit. And they're working on them. I don't know. Okay, hold on a second. But let me just express her perspective. She was saying that they have made significant strides since they first started doing it, and they're getting better at it. They're getting better at isolating. And one of the things we discussed is those fucking creepy cartoons.

I'm sure you've seen those. Oh, yeah, the child molestation stuff? Well, the violent stuff. A lot of it, like babies getting hit in the head by bottles. Have you seen those? Yeah, those things have been up for years. No, I watch good things. But you know what we're talking about.

I watch nice things. You know what we're talking about. I've heard all of it, but I've never seen it at all. Well, it's a weird thing where these things get put on a kid's playlist. You know, it's like Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse getting drunk. And then, like, someone throws a bottle up in the air and it hits a baby in the head and there's blood everywhere. And these same patterns are repeated over and over again in hundreds of these videos, maybe thousands. A lot of them have been removed from YouTube, right?

They've been pretty proactive about chasing. Sounds like Quentin Tarantino making cartoons. Dude, it's fucked up. See if you can find them. See if you can find one. This is the Eli Roth playlist. I found a weirder playlist of this guy dissecting candy and making weird voices over it. And then there was a whole list of videos of people saying, like, what the fuck is this channel?

What's going on here? And it just got bigger and bigger and bigger. And I don't think anything's happening. It's just weird shit. Is this religion? The YouTube kids thing? What. Is it different than the YouTube kids thing? No, I think it's similar. The kid thing, though, is more fucked up because it's always the same pattern.

It's like these kids get together with a parent. The parents give the kids booze. The kids get drunk. They throw bottles. The baby gets hit in the head with a bottle. There's blood everywhere. It's like the same thing over and over and over again. There's been all these videos exposing these videos, like people that are analyzing it saying, what the fuck is this?

And it seems to be foreign. They seem to be done in other countries. And essentially what they're doing is they're tapping into this. They have like a pattern that they use. They're tapping into whatever algorithm that creates your know, creates your coming up next feed. Yes, suggested videos. So a little kid could be watching like a real Donald Duck cartoon, and then it leads into this.

Yeah, but I don't think that's what anyone's really complaining about. I think we can all find common ground like, let's get rid of the Minnie Mouse being raped on YouTube, you know? But the problem is, I understand her perspective, and that's what they told us too almost a year ago. But I even asked them, I said, hold on a second. You just told us, too, almost a year ago. But I even asked them. I said, hold on a second. You just wined and dined us, and you showed us your whole virtual reality set.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're the most advanced. That's why YouTube wants to be at the forefront of policy. They're really aggressively on this net neutrality thing, everything. Google, really big policy wonks, really big lobbyists if you look at them. But they go, so, okay, you're're super advanced most technologically advanced company in the world But on our channel is a real-life one There's kind of the same same kind of shit

But these aren't as offensive to me as the cartoon ones get this gets real It's like a 15 minute weird video just weird stuff happening that kids are supposed to watch this to their stumble across it because the algorithm You know if they're watching a cartoon with spider-man in it this shows next. Oh, does she get drunk and he rapes her or something? I mean, I don't know. She was getting tied up a second ago. That's a really shitty Spider-Man. I wouldn't be fooled. Yes.

That wouldn't make it past our wardrobe. Anyway. All right. But the point is, you can't claim you're the most advanced tech company in the world. And then on our channel, you're getting ads for Muslim singles and gay cruises. Hold on a second. Your algorithm can't figure out. It is pretty funny.

Don't get me wrong. But we're not getting any money from those ads. You can't find. That means that if our videos are controversial, our videos are not a violation of guidelines. There are sponsors out there. I mean, we see it with Walther. A firearm company came to sponsor. They seek us out because it's worth octuple to them because they want to reach our audience.

Whereas YouTube says, well, no, it's not advertiser friendly. No, no. It's not advertiser friendly. No, no. It's not advertiser friendly for the people you have on there. It's not gay cruise advertiser friendly, but you're telling me you have the most advanced algorithms in the world and you're running ads for young Turks on my video. Like, I don't buy it. Do they really? Yeah, I think so.

I mean, I've seen a bunch of leftist ads on my channel. They might do that on purpose. It would be hysterical. After your jank impression. Yeah. When you went to that one conference and you went as him. He just goes on, oh, Tarzan, that's so bad. It's very disappointing.

I would have thought that was hilarious if I was him. I mean, first of all, it was disappointing there was only 20 people in there. I wouldn't have even gone. I would have been like, look, let's take this to a smaller place because if a video gets out of this, this is fucking embarrassing. There's 20 people in this one room. And then you walked in as him. I didn't want to do it. Right.

Like, he had called me out. And we've had people even on this show. Wait a minute. Of course you wanted to do it. That's why you did it. No, no. He knows I didn't want to do it. I was like, but I feel like I have to.

Because he called me out. And I said, I accept. You know, basically. Like, okay, let's have. And then nothing. He called you out. How so? He was constantly talking trash.

I mean, oh, Steven Crowder, self-styled comedian. Oh, he sucks. Bullshit. You know, that whole thing. So it's like, okay, let's have, and then nothing. He called you out, how so? He was constantly talking trash. I mean, oh, Stephen Crowder, self-styled comedian. Oh, he sucks, bullshit. You know, that whole thing. So it's like, okay, I responded. I'm like, let's hash this out. He will mention, he will rebut every Tom, Dick, and Harry on YouTube, not named Stephen Crowder. So at this point, I was just trying to get an interview with him. Oh, you see, we've had people on our show we disagree with.

We do it. An hour long changed my mind where I sit down and listen to someone scream at me. I'm more than willing. The video you did though, where you're drinking the bacon grease and you did Anna. It was pretty mean. You did him. No, it was funny. Come on, man. It's fucking funny. It made me laugh. But the point is he forced my hand.

I had to do it. It's like that guy in Diner has to punch all the people who ganged up on a baseball diamond throughout the I was like, well, now I have to do this with Cenk because there's no other recourse. And he kept going to the audience. The only reason now I have to do this with Cenk because there's no other recourse. And he kept going to the audience. The only reason we showed the audience... It's like YouTube.

There's no other recourse. You have to go to Trini Bain. Right. It has to escalate. He goes, listen, you're dying. You're dying. The audience doesn't like you. So it's like at this point,

you brought up the audience. Let's do a pan. You know, there's 20 people. I don't want to go up and embarrass the guy, but he's such, just such an asshole. There's just no way around it. So we kind of retired that character. That character was funny when you're drinking the bacon grease.

That's not true. We brought him back this week. Oh, that's right. I've had nothing but pleasant dealings with Cenk. I don't have any hate for the guy, but I laughed because it was funny. I had a wonderful handshake with him. It was a wonderful moment. Was it?

Yeah. Did you feel good? Yeah. I just think, like most people, they get embroiled in conflict and then they lose perspective and then it builds up and then it becomes something stupid.

And I think, you know, his thing with Alex Jones is handled very poorly and they start screaming at each other and Anna called him a fat fuck. I'm like, funny though. God damn, you can't do that. Like, this is against everything you guys stand for. You're calling him a fat fuck.

You can't fat shame him. You just body shamed him. Meanwhile, Cenk's fatter. This is fucking crazy. Yeah. Like, what are you doing? Yeah. Well, Cenk's put him on.

I don't think he realizes that yet. I don't think he's at the point where he realizes that he's bigger than Alex. Oh. Really? Maybe he's lying to himself. I don't know. I don't want to speculate on how he looks himself in the mirror and what he tells himself in the morning to get through the day. Like I said, my dealings with Cenk have been nothing but pleasant.

I like talking to him. I had him on the podcast. I like talking to him. I just think people lose their place. They lose their view of the world. Well, I think when your identity is entirely tied up in the numbers, right? When it's entirely tied up, his only defense was, look at the audience. It's like, hold on a second, that

ebbs and flows. I mean, you know, even, I mean, you guys have been, obviously, a crazy successful show, but some shows are more popular than others. Of course. And for them, they, you know, this far left sort of, I guess, progressive viewpoint, and they've gotten increasingly worse, is not popular. And when that's your only

argument, when that's your whole identity... It's a very short time between that and when the pendulum swings. Even when you debated Ben. Ben Shapiro. Yeah, that was pretty... It was the audience swung. The year before was him and Dinesh D'Souza.

And his whole argument was like, you went to prison, Dinesh! And people were clapping for him. And then when he was sitting there with Ben, it didn't work. Well, the Dinesh one, he had that ace in the hole. Like, that card,

like you went to prison, is a fucking tough card to get by. It's pretty funny. It is funny. It's funny to picture Dinesh in prison. I'm friends with Dinesh. But it is funny. You know? Well, I felt like the Sam Harris one was a big downfall for him.

Because of Ben Affleck and all that stuff. Sam just handled it better. You know, when they had that long three-hour conversation. In a three-hour conversation with someone, you know, it's hard to hide. It's like your ideas get exposed. Your lack of knowledge gets exposed. Well, that's why the left doesn't do it. And I know people say, well, okay, we do a segment where the biggest success for us this

year that we're really grateful for is the Change My Mind segment. And that's just where I literally sit down, we put up a booth that says, I'm pro-gun, change my mind, or I'm pro-life, change my mind, or there are only two genders. That's your shirt? I'm pro-gun, change my mind segment. And that's just where I literally sit down, we put up a booth that says I'm pro-gun change my mind or I'm pro-life change my mind or there are only two genders. That's your shirt? I'm pro-gun change my mind. It's wildly unpopular here in LA. Yeah, it's wildly unpopular here in LA. You're going to the wrong spots. I can't tell you where to go. Yeah. We had one that was like an hour long thing

on abortion. One that was just at SMU, five people just lined up and I just listened to them. And out of the five people, two of them changed their mind. And then some of them we didn't find. It's completely unedited. And everyone, and I just listened to them. And out of the five people, two of them changed their mind. And then some of them we didn't find. It's completely unedited. And when I worked at Fox News, everyone in cable news would have told you this would not work, and no one's going to watch an hour-long discussion.

But there's no one on the left who does that. Well, they can't do it in their format. They can't do it when they have an 8 to 10 slot or an 8 to 9 slot, and every 15 minutes you have to sandwich in a commercial and then you have all these segments that you have to play. They can't do it. But that's just because their format sucks. It's an antiquated form of entertainment.

It just doesn't work anymore. But even the left on YouTube, like the Young Turks, they don't do that. The unedited, just long form thing, they're afraid of it. What other good left shows are there on YouTube? What are the really popular ones? I don't know. I don't know. They're really...

Well, Sam Seder's show, right? The Majority Report. I fucked that up. I called it the Minority Report once. It's easy to do. Yeah. They think I did it on purpose. Were they mad?

I don't know. They thought you were doing the conservative talk show thing where you're like, No, the Democrats. I don't know. Maybe. I don't do that. No. I think they also called me right wing, too, which is like, all right, pick up.

One of the things they were saying was that people just decide like that these people that we decide to help each other out, that the right supports themselves and they support like other right wing people. But the left needs to figure out how to do that. I'm like, I'll fucking have anybody on. I have left wing people on all the time. I have libertarians and all of that. I'm like, I'll fucking have anybody on. I have left-wing people on all the time. I have libertarians on all the time. I have people that are completely neutral to politics on all the time.

I just think when you box yourself into these ideologies, when you're only pro-left and you can't see any perspective outside of that, it becomes an issue. It's going to be an issue for you today after a double feature of Jordan Peterson and us. It's probably going to come fast and heavy. I don't give a fuck. I really don't. And Jordan Peterson of all people. I knew it when I was doing this. First of all,

Jordan Peterson, I'll have that guy on anytime. He's one of my favorite people to talk to. He's just a fascinating guy. But I knew having you two back to back, it's like, oh, it's the fucking alt-right sandwich. Oh, look at Logan. He's just embracing it. What are you, a Nazi now? You're definitely on the

care watch list after this. They're not listed up here. The facets of all the variables. What I wanted to talk to you guys about is some of my favorite stuff that you've done. And some of my favorite stuff that you've done

is the undercover shit. And one of the things that I found the most disturbing was when you two posed as a gay couple and you went to that place where they were advocating transgender children and transitioning children as young as three years old. Right. I don't know if it was three years old, but puberty blockers they were talking about.

Yeah. But I think it was really fucking, you know, no, no, you know what actually three years old was Owen Benjamin got in an argument on Twitter and lost his manager because he was saying that someone is fucking insane for giving puberty blockers to a three-year-old kid, for giving hormone blockers to a baby. Which I am, fuck yeah, that's not even a strong enough word. I mean, it's insanity, fucking insanity. I mean, your body's not even developed. You're not even close. We're not talking about 18.

We're not even talking about 21 which is arguable still crazy Like you really should probably wait until your fucking frontal cortex fully develops You figure out who you are but the idea that you're gonna know at 3 who you're gonna be when you're 30 It's well they present the other side banana. They act as though you're crazy No, so they were like well, you know the thing is with the puberty remember that person looked like Smee with a look like Smee from Hook well, let's play you. Let's play some of it because it's fucking nuts. When I watched it,

I was like, oh my God, what are these people saying? It's been taken down since you asked me about that too. Really? Yeah.

We have to sit to blurt the guy, well, I'm not afraid, Rex Butt. Rex Butt. Dr. Rex Butt who shows up in Pride Parade.

That's his name? His name is Rex Butt. That is hilarious. Kid you not. We're not in a real world. We're in a goddamn simulation. It was a town hall. This was a town hall. We're in a simulation. This can't be real.

His name is Rex Butt? And he got YouTube to take it down. What do you do for a living? You know. And YouTube actually asked Rex Butt. Okay, let's play some of this and if there's... Most of the people are listening rather than watching. So, Nakay Jared, do you know what this is?

Because you gave them the. No, I don't. Well, hold on. Let's set this up. So, what was this? Okay. It was, well, Nakay Jared and I. So, here's the one.

Let me, can I preface this with something? Yes. We don't, like, we're not undercover journalists. Right. So, we do a late night show. That's what we do. We do comedy, we do the monologue, we do jokes, sketches, and we do interviews. And then, every now and and then we stumble across something.

And when you're doing, for example, like Antifa, and they hand you a knife and they talk about shooting Ben Shapiro. We'll talk about that too. But the point is, and then when the media just lies about it, like we feel compelled to. This isn't our thing. Right. It just is one of many things. In fact, this particular one was kind of a throwaway. It was a throwaway.

We were joking. It was a goof. We didn't even bother with costumes. We just walked in cyberqueer. It was what the health care transgender town hall. It was like, oh my God. It was a throat! We were joking! It was a goof! We didn't even bother with costumes, we just walked in cyberqueer. It was What the Health Care Transgender Town Hall. We were like, oh my god. It was a Transgender Town Hall. Transgender Town Hall. Where was it at?

Vermont. Burlington, Vermont. Oh, that place is crazy. Oh, I was in a plane with Bernie Sanders on the way there, too. It was- Give me your money. I'm gonna give it to the blacks. Okay, give your money to the blacks. It's a human right. Let's play. Alright.

He has said that feels like a girl, prefers playing with dolls, and of course we don't want to discourage it. We spoke with our primary care physician. He said wait until the boy is fully developed. That's Rex Blunt! That's me. And I would say a little inaccurate from the research. A little inaccurate from the research I've done. It's so late. 18's too late.

Then it's just like, okay, get rid of the puberty blockers. They just go through late puberty. That's it. Everything's still lined up. There's no indication there's any damage. That's not true. No, not at all. Puberty blockers are not reversible.

That's the entire point. That's not the point. It's the opposite. The young adult, someone at the pre-adolescent age going into those adolescent... It's going to change the way your body develops.

No question at all. Of course. I mean, there's no way giving a kid a puberty blocker, letting them go through life with a puberty blocker, and then at 17 or whatever the fuck it is, decide to take that shit off. You're going to be the exact same human being you would have been without that. Yeah, these are the same people worried about a little estrogen in milk cartons.

I mean, this guy's saying- Is it BPA-free plastic? Because I don't want it to alter my hormones. By the way, I'm going to chop off my balls and do puberty blockers at eight. Well, this is, I mean, you can't let a kid make those decisions. You can't make those decisions for a kid. They're too young. He just remembered he had a wiener five minutes ago.

Yeah. He's not thinking about these things. No. No, he's just picking his nose and wiping his booger off on the couch three minutes ago, and now you're letting him decide his hormonal profile. Yeah, the idea that a child who's six years old or whatever would know the consequences, profile? Yeah, the idea that a child who's six years old or whatever would know the consequences, but them saying that 18 is too late and that it's not that they would disagree with your primary care physician, that it's too young based on the research that I've done. What fucking research have you done where you, you can clearly point

that it's a good idea to transition a six-year-old? Well, that's a problem. Here's another problem. We don't know if YouTube is gonna ban this video because of what you just said and what I just said. Well, I guarantee you this video is going to get marked for demonetization. Well, yeah. The Jordan Peterson one just got flagged. And we talked about this book.

We talked about the 12 rules for life. We talked about guidelines for living a healthy... Just started reading it. It's a great book. Let's keep going. Opters. Put a little more of to understand themselves and they written a test goal reach a particular dink the diameter and the penis is developed enough then there'll be enough

if if if you're gonna check if you're gonna transition anyway oh that's a problem I'd like you know jazz be a little material to create a vagina if the testicles and the penis are developed enough. Did you know this? Did you know that unless your penis gets big enough, you can't get a fake vagina because there's not enough tissue to invert. So he's like, this is him. He's like, now, if you decide to transition the other way, meaning if you decide to not transition. Remember how everyone made fun of this beauty pageant girl when she was asked about gay marriage?

She's like, and then gay marriage or opposite marriage, and everyone laughed. And it was silly. You know what I mean? She was conservative, but it was silly. But he's doing that right here. Like, should you choose to transition or transition the other way? You mean, should you choose to not cut off your penis? That's transition the other way now?

Well, not only that, there's a lot of people in the transgender community that think it's offensive to assume that you have to get an operation to get your penis removed in order to be transgender. I most of the time don't. So this guy is making this big assumption that this is what you have to do in order to transition. I know a lot of people that are transgender that do not have the operation. I don't know a lot of people. I should just say that. I'm in a

community focus group with transgender people. By the way, let me say this too. I'm 100% in favor of grown adults deciding to transition. I think you should be able to tattoo your face, get nose rings. I don't give a fuck what you do. I really don't. Yeah, but you're also not asking the government to pay for your face tattoo. Yes, that's true.

Well, and there was another thing. Here, I'll send this to you, Jamie. That was some research today that someone put out. Let's play this, and I'll forward this to you, Jamie. I'll text this to you. Keep playing. That's it? That's that clip.

Okay. I don't know. But yeah, the thing is, that's a good example. It's a public town hall, which we attend. And it gets removed from YouTube because someone who handed us his business card wrecked butt. Business card. Hilarious, by the way. YouTube because someone who handed us his business card, Rex Butt.

Business card. Hilarious, by the way. The rest of us, we weren't nearly as mad about this as we were just in doubled over and laughter at the guy's name, Rex Butt. Do you think he had trouble securing the URL rights to his own agency? That's a completely different website. He had to run a search to get his URL. I just sent this to you, Jamie, if you follow the tweet. Yeah, I just sent this to you, Jamie, if you follow the tweet.

It is by Dr. Deborah So. And it is an article from the National Institute of Health Study. Dr. Zero Van Meter, a pediatric. Oh, okay. Oh, no. And she's Asian. Pediatric endocrinologist. Well, she's anti all this stupid shit. Well, I'm saying they don't give any leeway to Asians.

It's the minority group that they actually get more crap. It's like, well, you have to be better than everyone to get into a good college because there are too many Asians. Because there are so many really good ones. Okay. Dr. Q. Van Meter, a pediatric endocrinologist with extensive experience in gender dysphoria, which, by the way, is hate speech, says there is 0.0 evidence that the concepts of gender fluidity and gender identity have any scientific basis yeah so this is why she includes 0.00 that's the second zero there she's money she's thinking about cash yeah she's thinking about cash money well I guess you could have 0.01 percent you could have one

hundred she wanted to make sure there was no doubt. Yeah. She's burning those extra characters you just got. She's like Zeros, bro. Yeah, she's burning the extra 240 characters. What's funny though is that you say like

hate speech, gender dysphoria is still in the DSM-5. What does that mean? That's the actual like the psychiatric journal that they use, the reference book.

But they literally call it hate speech now. Yeah, I know. But it's the actual medical condition. Right. What's crazy is that undercover,

God bless my wife, she went with us because we need other people to have hidden cameras, and so she posed as a lesbian, a movie kind of lesbian. They're like, really, you exist? They weren't even hardly fooled. They couldn't say anything. Well, she, remember, said, like, I identify as someone with bigger breasts. And she was asking how to get this covered under Medicare, Medicaid,

because they were talking about getting all these operations. And Mr. Rex, God bless him, Dr. Rex Butt, was like, I think you should mention that, talk about that gender dysphoria. So for her, they used gender dysphoria to try and file it medically to get new tits on the taxpayer dime, but it was considered hate speech

to say it to the transgenders in the room. It's just crazy. You can't make sense of it. And I don't need to make sense of it. I just need to not be banned for talking about it. She just wanted to be the woman she was meant to be. Right. Well, I mean, anything that you can't make sense of it and I don't need to make sense of it I just need to not be banned for talking about it. She just wanted to be the woman she was meant to be. Right well I mean anything that you can mock is bullshit I mean if you can mock it that openly if that's that obvious like getting bigger tits

because you identify as someone with bigger tits I mean that's bullshit that's why it's so funny. I don't think I've ever been more in love with my wife than when she did that. We didn't expect it. She just looked at me. She kind of nodded. She's like, I'm more than identified as someone who has bigger breasts. Well, did you see that guy that got busted molesting children and said he identifies with being a 60-year-old boy? That was a really recent case. I mean, people are trying this out when they get caught doing things.

And I'm not saying that there's not people out there that identify with being a man when they're actually a woman or vice versa. That's not what I'm saying. But what I'm saying is there's a lot of fucking crazy people out there that identify with being a man when they're actually a woman or vice versa. That's not what I'm saying. But what I'm saying is there's a lot of fucking crazy people out there. A lot. And to deny that just because it's dealing with gender. We're in Narnia now.

We're in La La Land. You're not being real. No. Well, let me ask you this. Because like you said, you're not right wing. I'm pretty open about the fact that I'm right wing. I remember watching your show a while back and you had a little, little guy. Little guy. Jamie Kilstein?

Buck Angel. Yeah. Little guy that used to be a gal. Yes, exactly. And then I don't remember what I said, but it was the same kind of conversation we have here. Like, I don't just go out and be like, screw you, you're a tranny. I said, well, I just don't buy it. And he wanted to get into a fight with me.

He wanted to have a fight. Let's fight about it. When did this happen? This was years ago when he had him on the show. Probably just had a fresh shot of test. Jacked. He was huge at one time. Oh, was he?

Oh, yeah. Got up to like 185, like super jacked because just banging test in there and fucking lifting. But he was saying that his joints hurt really bad when he was doing that. It's almost like it's unnatural. Crazy. But back then, when you got doing that. It's almost like it's unnatural. Crazy. But back then, when you got him on, jacked, jacked. If I had a role with that guy, I'd be like, fuck. All right, here we go.

No, come on. You wouldn't have promised that. Try to be kind. Yes, exactly. But the point is, back then, let me ask you this. Did you realize it was going to get as insane? Or did you just think this was kind of, this is an interesting guest? Well, he's a nice guy.

Right. And I'm more than willing to call him a man. And that was one of the things that I said. I said, look, man, you're a person. Whatever your name is, whether it's Buck or Fred or Wilma, I don't care. I just, whatever you want to be called, I'll call you whatever noise that you connect with you as a being. I'm fine with that. And if you can explain to me where you feel happier being a man, I'm 100% in support of you doing that. What drives me crazy is people making decisions for six-year-olds, people pushing six-year-olds in certain directions.

And I know that this does happen. And I can't get too personal about this. But I have a friend who has an ex-wife that turned his child into a girl. Yeah. And like tried this and was pushing this. And kids are very fucking pliable, man. Oh, yeah. This is not, I mean, maybe some boys would have rejected it.

Maybe he was leaning that way anyway. But she was excited about it. And this is, this is something that a lot of people are excited. And we're talking about a 14 year old. I mean, I just don't think you know who the fuck you are. You know, what is that girl's name? Ruby Rose. Is that her name?

The attractive lesbian with the tattoos. She said that when she was young, she wanted to transition and she's very happy that she didn't. She wanted to become a man and she's very happy that she didn't. She wanted to become a man, and she's very happy that she didn't, and she's a lesbian, and she's happy, and she's open and super successful. But she's advocating sort of the same thing that I'm saying. It's like, let people become a goddamn adult and then make these inalterable, life-changing decisions. This guy's saying that hormone blockers can be turned off and then you could go through a normal puberty, you're out of your fucking mind.

I'm not a doctor, but I have enough understanding of biology to know that that's crazy. That's just not true. No, it's absolutely not true. And that's one of those things. Listen, anyone can get lost in the weeds and make someone look stupid with something specific. You know, whether it's, I mean, you were showing me that compound out there. It's fasting. I don't know anything about it.

I'm going to be a moron. you know, less than room temperature IQ. Some doctor can come in who's pro-transgender and explain something and make it sound like we don't know what we're talking about. So when it comes to that. See, I don't agree with you there. Well, I don't agree with you on that. You can use some terms we wouldn't know, right? It doesn't matter.

What terms are there that you don't know about a child's biological development? Well, what they point to is, well, actually, there are these studies that show that the brain alterations occur before across hormone sexual replacement therapy. biological development. Well, what they point to is, well, actually, there are these studies that show that the brain alterations occur before across hormone sex replacement therapy. And it's actually, it's not true. So we had a few transgender people on our show. But the point is, whether it's a conspiracy or this, you say, okay, I'm not a doctor. And I can't just appeal to authority.

I can't just say, this doctor says X. So I do have to, at this point, accepting that I'm not a doctor, accept the preponderance of evidence from the overall medical community and combine that with the anecdotal and combine that with is there a motive here? Is there an agenda here? Like a lot of conspiracy theories, it just doesn't add up. Who benefits from telling you, you know, the world is flat? Who benefits from it? Now, I can understand how someone might benefit from a conspiracy. It's like, oh, they make a lot of money off of this.

Or was it Tim Kennedy's hunting Hitler thing? I'm not saying it, but it's like, okay, I understand after war, they thought maybe they had Hitler and they needed the healing for the country. Okay, I can understand that. But with this, it just doesn't add up. None of the arguments they present add up. There's no way for millennial parents to whack off. Turning each of their children into social experiments. It's disgusting.

Medical experiments. That was disgusting. Medical experiments. That was Owen Benjamin's take. Owen Benjamin's take was that this guy in Hollywood, I don't remember who it is, who was talking about transitioning his three-year-old. And he was like, you're a fucking monster. And he was getting in trouble for this. He lost his manager for this. It started on our show because he writes for our show now. We bring him in on Skype and we just sit and we kind of brainstorm.

And he wasn't really out of the closet. Remember at that point? And I said, Owen, I don't think you want this because I had lost my manager and my agent. I'm like, I don't think you want this kind of heat. No, man, out of the closet as a conservative? Yeah, out of the closet as a conservative in the industry. It's a real thing. That's hilarious.

He was like, yeah, man, I think it's going to be. I'm like, I don't think you want this kind of heat. And he talked about it on our show first. And it was almost like he was spitballing because then he tweeted something that was really funny from the show. And then this just all hell broke loose. And I was like, I mean, I told you that's what was going to happen. And so now he's just full bore because you can't, you know, you can't put that back in the bottle.

And that's the crazy thing. Owen was the quintessential nonpolitical, just sort of happy-go-lucky comedian. It's totally changed him now. If you see his act, it's hysterical. Listen, I know. Owen kind of did that on this show. That's one of the things that happened. On this show, we were just talking about all the

various things. Also, he was talking about his dad being flamboyant and his mom being kind of masculine. He grew up in this weird environment. He's just a great guy. This is his take on things. He loves to talk shit on Twitter. He loves to stir things up. He does it great guy. Yeah, I mean he's just this is his take on things, you know And he loves to talk shit on Twitter. He loves to stir things up. Yeah, and he does it too much Yeah, I've sent him a text the other day I'm like you go first of all why are your texts coming to me green I

Go just switch to us. Yeah I go, first of all, why are your texts coming to me green? I go, just flitch to a flip phone. He goes, yeah, I go, are you addicted to your phone? He goes, yes. I go, dude, you're fucking crazy, which is great, which most comedians are in some way crazy. But I'm like, you're tweeting too much. He's like, you're right. I've got to walk away from it.

Well, he'll tweet me. He'll tweet me this whole thing about transgenders or something. He'll be tweeting about reality from the left. And then I'll respond, and then I don't hear anything back. And I'm like, oh, sorry, I was out chopping trees. Yeah. Like literally. Yeah.

No, no. Yeah. Yeah. His brother's an arborist and he helps his brother. I mean, he's literally on fucking 20 feet up with the ropes and shit. He shipped me maple syrup for Christmas. Did he? Yeah.

Owen's a great guy. The problem is with Owen, when we get in the same room, Jared, someone else has to manage us because like, bing, bing, bing, you know, we're both crazy. But I love him. And I, but I hate that that happened to him too. We remember when you and I had that conversation, I was like, I just feel that what Owen needs to do is do a podcast and get his, you know, just get his stuff out there more and he'll find his own audience.

He doesn't need all this other shit. You know, there's a, there's an illusion in Hollywood that you need to be cast in things. You need to be castable. And this castable thing, and I've said this, one of the reasons why I have no actor friends is because I have a couple that I'm friendly with, but as my inner circle of people I hang around with on a regular basis, comics and fighters and just people that I know. They deal in reality. The actors are always trying to get cast

in things and there's a dynamic that occurs when you're always trying to get cast in things where you never want to say anything that's controversial. You don't want to have any opinions that don't fit into the standard, acceptable, digestible Hollywood dogma, whatever it is. And it's always left wing.

Oh, yeah. Look at what happened with Tim Allen. He came out as right wing and they canceled his fucking show. They're like, fuck you and fuck your show. He was a John Kasich guy. Yeah. You don't have to be alt-right. John Kasich.

Yeah. As big of a pussy as the Republican Party has ever known. A moderate Republican, but still right wing enough where they're like, fuck you. I'm just a wiener. saying you just like to touch little boys. It just ruins your career. It's disappointing. You would think so. You would not have made a YouTube video about it.

Show them your suggested feed. What are you talking about? House of Cards. Kevin Spacey. Oh, he's never. It's crazy. He's a different animal. That's a different animal.

I guess I never met him, but I guess that has been the thing about him forever. But here's the thing. This is like what Milo talked about. And this is all very taboo stuff. But in the gay community, it's far more acceptable for a man to be dating a 15, 16, 17-year-old boy that's openly gay than it is in a straight community. gay than it is in a straight community. If a straight community, if you find out that a 40-year-old man is dating a 14-year-old girl, that guy is a piece of shit and he should be locked in a fucking cage. Right.

But if you find out that in the gay community, it's not thought of the same. It's different strokes. I mean, I can name you several people when we worked in Canadian TV, particularly like makeup artists who were like, no, be careful, Michelle likes them young. It was a common thing. Right. And I'm not at all saying that it's acceptable. No.

With Kevin Spacey. But what I am saying is what bothers me, the same with the Me Too campaign. Like Meryl Streep coming out, everyone coming out with a Harvey Weinstein thing. Germ, right? Germ, piece of crap, get it, we all know. Right. But not one person, they all come out like, yeah, he tried to do that with me too. Not one person came out and said, yeah, I got three Oscars.

I did it, bitch. No one. No one admitted. No one. Just like no one else is saying, yeah, you know, it's a well-known secret. This happens a lot in Hollywood. There are a lot of guys with young 15-year-old boys. It's super common.

You go to the right bar here in Los Angeles. Well, the Bryan Singer thing, right? Right. Bryan Singer, there's photos of his party. There's a pool filled with boys. Like, literally. And what's fucked up about it is there's red lights in the pool, and we had a field day with it. You could imagine where we imagined the blood came from.

But there's literally a red pool filled with young, hairless boys. They weren't hiding it. No. That's the thing. They didn't have to. No. It's fully accepted. That's why the fake outrage bothers me.

I don't think it's a fake outrage. I think... Selective. Yes. From the left in Hollywood, not America. Yes. And America's outraged that Kevin Spacey's stupid 14-year-old boys. Well, I think it wasn't just that.

I think what really got Kevin in trouble was not just the initial story, but then that he was grabbing dicks on the set. And he was just, he would get, there's the red pool. I mean, come on, son. Oh, geez. I mean, if that was a bunch of gals and you were a free spirit. That's just the X-Men 4 casting party. That'd be a boldly painting video for YouTube.

This is all Wolverine's next victims. Let's see what you guys look like. in the pool. It was a casting party for the first class. What Milo was saying when he was on the podcast, which ultimately got him in a lot of trouble and lost his... And then also he was saying it on that other podcast that he did with

the Amazing Atheist. I forget what they call their podcast. Do you know their podcast? I just know he got in trouble. Scoundrels or something? Something like that, yeah. Jamie will find it when he comes back from the bathroom. Oh, he's gone? He just bolted to the bathroom.

But what he was saying essentially was that when you're a young boy and you're gay, you can have a very positive relationship with an older man who acts as a mentor. And that was extremely controversial and that ultimately cost him. And he was also saying that he had that done to him. On my podcast, that's what he said, that he was young, he was molested.

But he said, he goes, please, he goes, I was the predator. Believe me, I was the predator. Well, you know what? It's the difference of someone who hasn't done stand-up. They don't know where that line is. Yes. You know what I mean? Like, you know that if you try working that out in the club, you're like, believe me,

I was a predator. The crowd is going to go from laughing to, uh, what? Oh, that's the line. Now I scale it back. But he's 14, right? If you're 14 and you're saying that you were the predator and you're the guy on stage, you're not the man who's talking about a 14-year-old boy that you want to fuck. You're talking about you being 14 and loving the fact that a priest molested you and that you went after him.

I was a predator. You know, when he was saying that, it was... Don't do that. It's very off-putting. Don't do that. It's amazing.

Don Nicolta. She's beautiful. She's wise. She has an amazing smile. What he does is, a lot of it is shtick. And it's sort of like a gonzo journalism type thing, right?

You don't know when, where's the shtick? like it's sort of like a gonzo journalism type thing right like you don't know when where's the shtick where's your real feelings on these things and then where is the distinction between how some heterosexual people look at this and some gay people look at this because i think the the spectrum is different like the spectrum of heterosexual people that think it's acceptable for a grown man to have sex with a 14-year-old is fucking very small. Like, insanely small, backwoods. Yeah, there's no straight NAMBLA with political clout. Exactly.

Yeah. You know. No one has a NAMBLA bumper sticker, but for straight people. Is NAMBLA real anymore? Is that still real? It is a real thing. Fuck. Yeah, someone tried to say I was a member of NAMBLA at one point on YouTube and suggested feeding.

I was like, okay, all right. I don't think that one's going real thing. Fuck. Someone tried to say I was a member of NAMBLA at one point on YouTube and suggested feeding. I was like, okay, all right. I don't think that one's going to stick. I mean, it's so hard to pick something and scale it back. Now it is. Now they're going to reignite it. We got to them. We got to them.

That was the one. The NAMBLA thing. What is that? Don't you know? That's Jehovah. That's Jay-Z. Yeah, Illuminati. We meet on Tuesdays.

Oh, Illuminati. I always forget. Every now and then. Jay-Z, he's in the Illuminati, I heard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he missed something with Farland. Did let him in. Did let him on.

Wanting to dine in every Tuesday. Yeah, Elon Musk meets him, but he has to show up. Secret. Yeah, it is. Here's one thing I will say. So, like, this is why people say you're right-wing, okay? And this is, I'm not saying you are. So, let me preface it.

Okay. But the reason they are, there is no leftist show out there. You say, which leftist shows? They're not having this discussion. It doesn't exist. There is the wild progressive left and the people who get in line. There is not enough of a contingency today. Put it this way. James Damore let go for what he wrote on Google. Not a single person we asked at the YouTube conference had ever owned a gun or knew someone who owned a gun? YouTube, Google, Facebook, NBC, ABC, CNN, CBS, all of them, none of them are standing up and having this conversation saying even the highly controversial issue of puberty blockers with which most people disagree.

They just go, puberty blockers, a new topic of discussion. They go, the left cannot have this conversation because you have to draw the line before puberty blockers. You have to draw the line at how far do we have to play along with your delusion doesn't mean I don't like Buck Angel doesn't mean we don't have Blair White in our YouTube Carol video and are very nice with her he's very against actual what if she blockers yeah very and also on untransformed in the nether regions Blair White yeah see that's what we were wanting to ask.

Her boyfriend discussed it. Super cool dude, by the way. Seems like a nice guy. Seems like a nice guy, but you're always asking questions. You're asking questions! You're not allowed to. You're not allowed to. Why can't you ask questions? As soon as they leave the room, you're like,

so who's that? Well, why can't you just ask? Well, what the fuck, man? I mean, as open as possible, you're saying you used to be a man and now you're a woman. It's all on the table now, baby. What could possibly be offensive after that? Or more interesting, we're talking about that. Sure.

Well, the reason is because my mom, who did wardrobe for the Just for Laughs and a lot of Canadian sitcoms, so she does wardrobe for us now as we've grown into these sketches. And so Blair White was the ghost of Christmas Past in this parody that we did. And so my mom had to go in and do wardrobe and fitting. So she had some questions. And my mom's first Canadian sitcoms back to me. She's like, no, I

think she had the, I don't think she has that anymore. I'm like, well, why? Because she said, you know, I did all this work. I'm like, but mom, that could just mean, you know, she clearly has breasts and lips, you know, she's like, no, I don't, I don't know. But I, you know, I don't know what the pants when we fit I need.

This is not a conversation you want to have with your mom. That's another hilarious character you do is that socialist French guy. Oh, yeah. You know, Bernie's like we've had interviews with people. Did you meet Bernie? You said he was on the flight with you?

He was on a flight with me. Did you take a selfie with him? I put on my Socialisms for Figs shirt in the bathroom. Here's what's so funny about Bernie Sanders. Socialism for fakes? Figs. It says figs because it got banned from Instagram. So it has a little fig leaf.

It's the Che Guevara thing, anyway. You'll see it. You'll see it if you go to the store. Point is, Bernie gets on a plane. This is right after the debate with Ted Cruz, the healthcare debate, which did not go well for him. And he doesn't even have a briefcase. So you know he's not doing work.

He's going from D.C. to Burlington, Vermont. And he is, I swear to you, I took a picture on the absolute last row of Economy++ where that first class curtain goes by. Probably asked for that seat. Because you know he can claim it. Like, I don't fly first class. Like, you're worth $5 million. No entitlements.

You're sitting there with your 128 gigabyte iPad Pro. I could see because I had the new bezel. The new bevel. Yeah, the new bevel. So I could see. They're saving all the money to deal with his wife's lawsuit for tanking that college in Vermont. I know that college, too. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That story is fucking crazy that it was a wild purchasing scheme that tanked the college. They decided to expand the land and buy, and they tanked the college because of that. Picture that, but America. But what the fuck are you doing? You're overspending? Yeah. What do you mean? Why do you sound surprised?

The Sanders are overspending. What we need to do is get the rich people to pay for this. Well, it's funny. So I put on the shirt, and they're like, you have to take a picture. At this point, it was. What we need to do is get the rich people to pay for this. Well, it's funny. So I put on the shirt, and they're like, you have to take a picture. At this point, it was, what? It was like 1230 in the morning. I was on the way to the Burlington Trinity Town Hall. And so I get off the plane.

And Verena gets off the plane first. Priority, plus, plus, plus. But first class. Didn't get the free cocktail, mind you. How does he get off the plane first, then? After first class. First class, then him. He gets off the plane second.

But he's in the back. No, no, no, no. First class, and him. But he's in the back. No, no, no. First class, and then he's economy plus plus plus. So he's right on that quarter. His foot sits in first class. He is first class in everything but name only, and you know he says that every debate. Oh, I don't like my opponent. I don't sit in first class. All right, Bernie. So he gets out first, and I walk

behind him, and it was like gosh, what's his name? Brooks in Shawshank Redemption. He was so old, and everyone's walking down this path and he walks down this one hall by himself with his iPad pro. And I remember calling Jared. I said, I can't do it. I said, I can't get right. It's 1230 in the morning.

The guy looks like he's at death's door. And I didn't want to be that jerk who cornered him. I just wanted to talk with him. I wasn't going to, you know, sandbag him, but he looked so, it was so sad. Well, his posture is so awful. His neck sits in the middle of his sternum. It's like Mr. Burns. Like a turtle. It's crazy. It's like, man,

you gotta sit up straight. Like, that's not healthy. You gotta be in pain all the time. If your head is like that low, well, what are we gonna do? The economy. You gotta give the money to the blacks so they can pay for my physical therapy. And bail my wife out.

Income inequality. His head is down here. Yeah, but it's... What I liked about him was that he seemed like a uniting force with white people and black people. It seemed like he was doing interviews with

Killer Mike, even though he's anti-gun. And Mike is super pro-gun. But I'm like, I like the fact that people are embracing this crazy old guy. And they push him off the stage, though. They push him off the stage. A lot of people took him off the stage and took his mic. He let them. He let them.

So you mean he was a United Forces officer? He let them. Come on. That was a pussy move. That was a pussy move. That was not the platform. I mean, if they wanted to have a meeting, they should have had a meeting. You can't just jump up and scream.

You'd have to kill our mics in the White House and the Oval Office right now. That'd be fine. If he was president. I president now. I don't. You know, I think the problem is, like, you know, even if you had people who were economic socialists who were on board with him, we have a lot of people who are pro-Bernie who then changed because they just said, well, then he went full SJW and the Black Lives

Matter and feminism. And that's why I say, even if you find a leftist- Nobody believes that. Like, here's the thing, when you're in these town halls and they don't know that you're, they all agree. It really is a monolith. And like, that's why they say you're right wing because the truth is you could be considered right wing

just like he could, just like I could, just like Jordan Peterson could, just like Milo could, just like Benjamin. And all of us have wildly differing views. If you were to check the box off with Cenk, Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, take your pick, they would check the same boxes because they have to. And I think that's why they're losing so much ground culturally. And the boxes are shifting too. So where the right side is expanding all the different boxes you could possibly check, the left is shrinking.

You have to get in line with these things right down the line. What we need is a real center. And this country does not have a real center. And I think that drives people to the left and to the right. I think it's a big issue. There's just too much toxic tribal thinking here. I just think we need truth. To me,

I don't care if you're left or right, just don't lie to me. And the left has been able to lie to everyone because they've controlled the information delivery for a right and I know that sounds Conspiratorial and it's right. It's like what we're talking about with Tim Allen. I mean that is right Yeah, I mean, it's what we're talking about with actors. So you you talk to most actors when it comes to anything political They're almost all left-wing. That doesn't even make sense Exactly. Yeah, they're there are a few people like we've had, you know, like Gary Sinise in the show

and we've had some bigger name actors where they have screw you money where it doesn't matter. Right. But he's just the nicest guy ever where he doesn't even talk about politics. He just, you know, builds these smart homes for veterans just because he's like a saint. Right. But there are other actors we can't even necessarily name who are like I'd really like to do the show, but you know, I can't yet

when I get to this stage in my career. I'm sure you've probably heard from those people too. Yeah. They're afraid. Yeah. I've had people like that that say, I want to go hunting. And I'm like, yeah, well, let's film it. No.

No. I'm like, you don't want people to know that that's how you get your food? I mean, do you know 97% of the country eats meat? They're like, really? Is it that high? I'm like, yeah, it's that high. You're paying for it, right? So you're paying for the murder you're cool with that but you're not cool with doing it yourself right he goes no i'm totally cool with it i just don't want anybody else to

know like okay well that's part of the problem because people don't want anybody else to know that's why it becomes so scary and taboo right and very few people come out you know it's just it's it's a lot of the same thing because Because it's like you're not willing to express your authentic self. Well, and that's why universities, like we're going to be at Virginia Tech, is it the 6th? A week from today. A week from today. And already people getting ready on Facebook to protest. And they're like, you haven't even seen the show.

You don't even know what it is. This is the first time we're going to take the show on the road and broadcast live. I mean, it's just a powder keg because no one's allowed to think differently. Picture collegiate campuses. That's what the left, that's their utopia. Listen, you brought us something that I think changed the way people look at social justice warriors. That lady that was in the audience in Amherst. Oh, Trigley Puff.

That was like a gift from the heavens. That poor gal. It was like somebody created the caricature. Did you just assume her gender? I did. Dude, even that's a gamble. That's a roll of the dice. You shouldn't even be that confident. I'm a pig. But when she was screaming at you,

I'm like, this is not real. This is like butt Rex. This is not real. This is like butt Rex. This is not real. Rex butt. It's even worse. Same shit. This is not real. This can't be real.

This woman's not real. This is like a caricature. This is a Michael J. Fox movie from the 80s where you're like, there's no way that's a real person. Well, you remember how stressed I was about that? Yeah. Because here's the deal. This was my first time. I was there.

It was Milo and Christine Hoff Summers. Now, at this point, I'd only, remember you used to do like the NACA or COCA, when you would do college stuff, you know, back when you, so that was my experience with colleges and I hated it. But for the first time, I know now that people are going to be protesting to a significant degree. And I just wanted to go out and do some. It kind of is their degree.

Yeah. Do some, like I was telling him, like, oh, I don't know what I do here because like, they're just going to speak and lecture. And I want to do just, you know, a 20 minute set. Right. And I, you know, it's really tough because if I don't, you know, if you don't know what I do here because they're just going to speak and lecture, and I want to do just a 20-minute set. It's really tough because if you don't acknowledge a heckler, if you don't acknowledge the person, but then when you come out, and it's just Trigley Puff who doesn't have enough middle fingers to give. I've never given anyone the finger from the stage.

I've never gone, but I realized immediately I'm not going to be able to do stand-up, and that was the rant that went viral, which I didn't expect. I'm just going to do my set, and then afterwards we'll do a Q&A. They wouldn't allow it. And I just saw her, and I just couldn't. She looked like the broad from Monsters Inc. at the front desk. I was just laughing. She really did. Yeah. Poor gal. And everyone wants to, here's the thing.

You know, I think it was my parents who maybe said this to me when I was young. And I got cocky about something at one point. And they said, don't ever brag because it keeps us from being able to brag for you. Let someone else do it. That's interesting. Wise words.

That's a good way of putting it. Same thing with Trigley. Did they say it with an accent? Yes, we don't get to brag for you. Does she have a thin ass? I don't know. She had the work done. Well, think about this.

If Trigley Puff didn't come out there and keep it in speech office, Kevin, fuck you! For about eight seconds. She tuckered out pretty quick. She tuckered out. She didn't have the stamina. She needs carbs. If she didn't do that, we would all be sitting there talking about how, if we just saw her, how we feel bad for her.

Yes. Like, oh man, that girl, I hope she gets it. You know what? I would be sympathetic. But you prevent, you preclude us from being empathetic when you act like an absolute piece of shit your whole life. Like all of a sudden we've shut off this empathy for people because of the way they behave. We would all be like, oh man, poor girl. You know, I hope she finds a guy.

I'm sure she'll find a guy who likes him, you know, bigger and you know, she'll, she can get it together. And I've, you know, I've seen some people turn it around, but when she does that, you're just like, oh, I can't stand her. Must be Boldy's hiring. See, I thought it was so ridiculous that I didn't even think that way. Obviously, I wasn't in the room while she was screaming at me while I was on the stage. I probably would have been furious.

But sitting back, watching it from the comfort of my house, watching it on YouTube, I was like, what the fuck happened? This poor kid. I'm just like, this used to be someone, you know, as a person who has daughters. This is someone's baby. And and then became this like someone didn't pay attention to her they fed her bad food and and she's there by herself like the whole thing was crazy keep your hate speech off my care meanwhile Christina Hoff Summers by the way couldn't be a nicer person oh yeah like it was so funny watching her with you and Milo and And she's like, well, I wouldn't say that.

Well, I'm not necessarily saying that. Yeah, the Islam stuff, she got uncomfortable because of on there. She couldn't be a nicer lady. I really love her. She's really sweet. Well, think about that. We're on there. She's basically kind of a lifelong Democrat.

She's branded right wing now, probably. She's branded right wing. She's branded alt-right. Yeah. She is a super feminist, but she calls herself the factual feminist. And her idea is that when you distort reality, when you distort biology, when you distort facts, you are doing

your cause a disservice, which is her cause, being an actual feminist. She's a real feminist, and she doesn't think there's anything wrong with being a woman. She doesn't think there's anything wrong with wearing dresses, putting on makeup or lipstick. You're a woman. There's probably two boxes she didn't check in the left column, therefore.

Yeah, right. And by the way, she doesn't think there's anything wrong with not doing that either. Right. She's very open-minded, but she calls bullshit. And because she calls bullshit on that group, she's shoved into this fucking Nazi category, which is so crazy to me. Well, and the danger with that is, let's say, 10 years down the line, right? You refer to me as a Nazi. You refer to Joe Rogan as a Nazi.

Nat Geo Jared is a Nazi. Christine Hoff Summers. You know what happens is when you refer to someone as a Nazi for reasonable use for just long enough, they start saying, OK, you know what? Let's go with Nazi. And people actually go for the pendulum swings further the other way. That's what you're seeing with Europe. That's what you're seeing with this far right rise.

Because like, you know, Sven Computer, who works for us, we brought him over from Germany. He said, you know, there's a certain point where young people don't want to go to every museum and go, yeah, we suck because we've had nothing to do with it. Do you realize in Germany, you pay 65% income tax if you're under the age of 30? But school is free. Think about that for a second. 65%?

It's 50, but Sven was telling us there's some additional, it's basically 65% and it's entirely based on your age bracket. You're under 30, you pay 65%. That's your effective tax rate. Whoa. That's a lot of money, man. I know. That hurts.

Yeah, but that's what you see. You see this far right rise in Europe. Because if you call someone a Nazi for so long, you're like, well, hold on a second, I'm not a Nazi. I just don't want Paris to become a rape then. a Nazi for so long. I'm like, well, hold on a second. I'm not a Nazi. I just don't want Paris to become a rape then. Yeah, well, when you go from calling someone a Nazi and then you see Charlottesville, when you see guys

with Nazi tattoos, you go, oh, well, that's a Nazi. Exactly. This is a real Nazi. This is a moron with a swastika tattooed on his chest. A Dodge Challenger. Yeah. All this craziness, left and right, I just I'm just hoping it settles.

And what you said, truth. That's what I like. I like truth. I don't think – that's where I always – I know people get upset. I don't think truth is necessarily in the middle. I think truth is truth. And sometimes it's really far to the right and sometimes it's in the middle. I don't think that there's much truth in today's progressive left.

No, I think there's an ideological war going on. And I think especially with Trump in office, they feel like the gloves are off and all rules are out the window and anything goes. I think people are flabbergasted. And I was telling Jamie before the show, like, I'm not without my criticisms for Trump. But I got to admit, every time stuff just rolls off his back, like water on a duck, I start fucking laughing. Like, they were like, this Stormy Daniels thing is gonna sink him. I have a friend of mine who's gay, and he's the nicest guy in the world, but he's so ridiculous.

He's like, that's Armonica Lewinsky. She's Armonica Lewinsky. I go, dude, it's not gonna work. I go, no one's gonna care. It's gonna disappear in a couple weeks. I go, we're in a 10-hour news cycle. Do you understand this? I go, in 10 hours, some new shit comes along,

and nobody gives a fuck about Brett Ratner anymore. And nobody gives a fuck about this guy. And there's a new guy. And there's a new thing. And there's a new problem. And there's a new thing. And you're saying that this porn star thing, this is not 1994. This porn star thing is not going to sink him.

He's going to deny it. Fake news. Fake news. And he's going to keep moving. And there's going to be nothing. Yeah.. Fake news. And he's going to keep moving and there's going to be nothing. I don't even know what happened with that exactly, but to me, I just was like, I've got to disconnect for a bit because I've been

just going, going, going. So I disconnected and I kind of popped my head in for half a day just because we're moving to a new studio, kind of like you've been doing. And I popped my head in and was like, what's the news? What's this outrage right now? Do I need to know about Donald Trump? And they said, no, yeah, he called Haiti a shithole. And I just popped my head back. I'm like, of course it is. That's it.

No one cares anymore. It's like, of course Haiti is a shithole. It doesn't mean you hate Haitians. He said, why do these people from these shithole countries want to come here? That's what he supposedly said. He says he didn't say it. Some people say he did. Other people say he didn't. Who cares? So we're in a weird quagmire.

If he says that... Let's say he did. It's not the appropriate we're in a weird quagmire. Yeah. And if he says that. Let's say he did. Let's say he did. Yeah. It's not the appropriate thing for a president of the United States to say. But does it make sense that Donald Trump would say that? Yes. Well, no, no, no, no, no.

You want to know how you know it's a shithole? Because French Canadians are some of the most racist people you will find. Love you, mom. But they create these French laws. I've talked about this before. Pure land. It means pure wool. Because they want to get rid of all the Anglophones.

Right? And so then they had a huge Haitian immigration. Because there's a lot of French. I've talked about this before. Pure land, it means pure wool, because they want to get rid of all the Anglophones, right? And so then they had a huge Haitian immigration, because there's a lot of French and people from Cameroon. And they were furious. So they tried to create laws to keep the Haitians out, because it was just a clash of cultures. Here's the thing. Haiti is, whether Donald Trump said it or not, as a country, a shitty place. And I don't think anyone cares anymore. It doesn't mean I hate Haitians. It doesn't mean I'm not empathetic to them. But how is it racist? They're very unfortunate that they're in a shitty place and i don't think anyone cares anymore if you say it doesn't mean i hate haitians doesn't mean i'm not empathetic to them but how is it very fortunate that they're in a bad place yeah but how is it racist if especially you're criticizing a government which comprises

of black people who are screwing a black citizenry they've been doing it for decades they've never gotten it right rayden wilson took a picture from sandals so he took a picture from Club Med. Sandals. Most people don't even know what that is. The resort. Is that still a thing? That's so funny. Yeah, that's a thing. It's in the Bahamas, I think. Jamaica, a few of those places.

I think it's one of those places. Sandals. No locale in Haiti. A couple of the other shitholes. I mean, it's one of those things where I think, if nothing else, Donald Trump has allowed people, and we weren't Trump, we got so much flack from the alt-right because we didn't support Donald Trump. Right, I remember that. And you were more in support of Ted Cruz, right?

I liked Carly Fiorina. And Ben Shapiro. I mean, Ben Carson. A little bit, right? I just thought he was hysterical. Well, he's a smart guy. He's adorable. He's adorable.

Also crazy. Yeah, he's like a Jim Henson character. My favorite thing was him with Jesus, the painting. Jesus on his shoulder. He was hanging on to him. I'm like, whoa on a shoulder Whoa Ben so you can be a neurosurgeon You're an absolute genius in that but you don't have the sense like maybe I shouldn't put Jesus on my shoulder And it well like I'm a claw well Jordan Peterson said something that's very brilliant He said there is absolutely no correlation with being smart and being wise. It's true. It's true

correlation with being smart and being wise. It's true. It's true. There's a lot of people that are really fucking smart at things, but they are not wise in terms of how they behave and how they think and how they conduct their life and whether or not they pay for a Jesus painting where he's holding their shoulder. It doesn't even look like Jesus. It looks like a Puerto Rican. It looks like some dude is slinging tacos.

It's a crazy painting. It's so bad. Is this new, the sky up here? Yeah. That's a crazy painting. It's so bad. Is this new, the sky up here? Yeah. That's nice. Well, everything's new. We used to have stars, but the panels were too dark in this room because the lighting is different here, so we changed them to clouds.

Got the American flag in there. That's why people also think you're right wing. Think about it. When do you ever see a leftist? America, fuck yeah. When do you ever see a current progressive leftist with patriotic symbolism? They can. I usually have an American flag case, but I ordered one from my iPhone X, and I didn't get it yet.

Look, I love America. I think America represents a beautiful place of opportunity, and it's not perfect, but I think it's the best place. I've been to a lot of different places. If you think there's something wrong with being patriotic, I think you're fucking crazy. I don't think America represents the worst aspects of us. I think it represents possibility and promise and that you have this ability to do whatever the fuck you want to do.

There's not a class structure. You can literally go from the bottom to the top. You can do whatever the fuck you want to do in this country. There's some restrictions. People say it's not a free country. Hey, man, go to Canada. It's a lot more fucking free than Canada. In Canada, you can go to jail for not using someone's preferred gender pronouns. There's a case that just was out a couple of days ago where some woman had a sign and they boiled it down to like one word. But her sign said that a transgender woman is a man.

And just because you feel something like that, it does not overtake biology. And it was just like a long thing. This transgender person wanted to file a human rights violation case against her and get her arrested. rights violation case against her and get her arrested and said that the only way this person would be willing to not do that would be to sit down with this woman and have coffee with her, explain to her why she's wrong. Well, she doesn't think she's wrong. So that's why you can't just decide that this person has to acquiesce. They have to give in to your particular ideology and your line of thinking.

Otherwise, it's hate speech. That's not the answer. ideology and your line of thinking. Otherwise, it's hate speech. That's not the answer. Like the answer to if you think someone's wrong, the answer is proving them wrong and having a conversation about it. Like someone deciding that not only is it wrong, but they're going to lock you up for it.

They're going to sue you. Like that's crazy. And I think especially with that Trudeau guy up there. Woo. Well, that guy's over the deep end. Remove a couple of fucks and you could have just run for office with that speech.au guy up there. Woo! That guy's over the deep end. Remove a couple of fucks, and you could have just run for office with that speech. It was very inspiring just there. Look, I could probably get up there, and if I could be a Canadian, I'm a big fan of Canada.

I'm a big fan, but they've got a few problems. Well, here, you know, the first person they ever voted for was Stephen Harper, right? So here's the deal. Back then, yeah, I'm that guy. I'm open about it. Christian conservative. Explain who Harper is. Stephen Harper was the prime minister before Trudeau.

So Stephen Harper is the Canadian equivalent of a conservative. So that would be like a little left of John Kasich here in the States. He was their Reagan. They kind of referred him that way. Yeah. I mean, they didn't have the housing bubble because they didn't do the subprime loans. Canada was doing really well for the first time, was higher in the economic freedom index in the United States.

I voted for him. And everyone hated him. Why? Because he was a practicing Christian conservative who believed in some form of limited government. Well, now they have Trudeau. It's like, surprise. I remember Stephen Boisson was a pastor. And I talked about this a lot. And this is one slippery slope thing. Everyone said, no, no, you're just you're just crazy. He's religious nutbag. This guy, Stephen Boisson was a pastor who I think was jailed. He certainly was fined just because he

said, I don't care what the law is in the land. I'm not going to marry two men in my congregation. I'm not going to recognize that as marriage. That's what he said. Whether you agree with him or not, this was years ago. And people on the left back then supported it because like, well, it only affects the Christian pastor who doesn't want to marry dudes back then.

Well, now it doesn't. Now it affects the person who says, if you're born a man, you're a man. And now it affects Mike Ward, the comedian who was put before a human rights tribunal for making fun of the Make-A-Wish Kid Foundation. At a certain point, you have to draw the line. And do we want to decide that we're going to draw the line when it comes to, for example, puberty blockers?

Or do we draw the line when someone tries to strangle Ben Shapiro on the Dr. Drew show because he implies that the guy with the penis is still a man? That was rough. That was a rough one because the guy was literally threatening violence and it was OK because Ben had misgendered him. And they went after Ben like, well, Ben, Ben, to be fair, you knew that was going to not only that, but touched him. It was like putting his hands on him, which is very threatening. If someone's threatening me and they're putting their hands on me, I'm on DEFCON 9. I'm ready to go. Like, where's this going, bitch? Why are you holding on to me? Are we fighting?

Yeah. Because you're holding me. You're gripping me and holding me, and you're way bigger than me. That guy was way, girl, shit, way bigger than Ben. But Ben was fucking strong there. That seems mildly inappropriate for political discussion. That was funny the way he said it. Yeah, we're sitting there like, oh, my gosh.

But, yeah, he said, if you don't be careful, you sound like the Joker. You're going to wind up in the hospital. If you don't be careful, you're going to go home in an ambulance, young man. It's like, are you going to beat me up because I say the wrong word? Really? Can you imagine? That's what I'm saying. But you were a man, right?

He was like the Clubber Lang of trainees. Well, you know, that was one of the things that I got into with someone online about Fallon Fox. I said, someone said said she was always a woman. I go, okay, but you know she got a man. She had a penis. She used to be a man. She got a woman pregnant and had a kid

with that woman. I go, was she a woman then? She goes, even then. I'm like, we're done. We're done. We're in Narnia again. And now that woman is CEO of YouTube. Because I didn't expect that. I felt like I could say, hey. I don't know how you can talk about that. And now that woman is CEO of YouTube. Because I didn't expect that. I felt like I could say, hey, I don't think it's cool if you get your penis removed and beat the fuck out of women.

I just felt like that's a safe thing to say. I didn't know it was going to be a controversy. And people were like, you're a bigot. And I was like, wow. Wow. Okay. Hmm. Maybe you should at least tell them that you used to be a man? No.

It's a medical procedure and it has no basis whatsoever on your physical performance. Well, that's not even structurally true. That doesn't even make any sense. The physical body's built differently. You know, can you imagine if Brock Lesnar decided to be a woman? Just not enough hormone blockers in the world to keep that fucking Viking off you.

Didn't have to tell anybody. No, it's a medical procedure. Well, they don't want you, the law doesn't want you to tell people you have AIDS. I mean, a penis is way down there. That's a California law now. Yeah. Chad with AIDS.

Isn't that wonderful? It used to be a felony. And now it's like- It should be. Yes. If you know you have a fatal disease and you fuck someone in the butt without a condom, that's-

Or at a Red Bull party. You mean it can't just be transferred by playing spin the bottle? Did you ever see the guy who authored that? Yes. Yeah, the Folsom Street Fair with the little leather X. Looks like a Bryan Singer pool party. It's hilarious. It's hysterical.

That that guy passed that through. It's because people weren't paying attention. That's crazy. I don't care if it's AIDS or if you could give someone cancer. Right. If you have cancer and you know you have cancer, I mean,

if it was a communicable disease and you decided to make out with someone who doesn't have cancer and you gave it to them, like, fuck, man, you just killed somebody. You just smoked a pipe and kissed me

and now I have esophageal cancer. You know, the bigger conversation on that, too, is they're like, obviously it's not fatal anymore because of protease inhibitors and all this stuff. But the reality is. You just compared AIDS to cancer. There was once a day where you could just compare AIDS to AIDS.

And it was pretty bad. Well, they used to call AIDS the gay cancer. You know, that's when AIDS first came out. They called it the gay cancer. Oh, we did a thing on that where we did. That's offensive. You remember that show Wishbone? We did a parody with our dog, Hopper.

We did the AIDS epidemic. And now the AIDS epidemic was always a hoax. There was never an epidemic. Basically, if you were not doing heroin with dirty needles or having gay unprotected sex with George Michael, you were pretty much safe. People got so mad. You said you knew it. Yeah. People knew it.

Do you remember the Kinnison bit? Yeah, I remember the Kinnison bit. Hysterical. Yeah. So we had a guy who came on. It was actually very civil who disagreed. By the end of it, he just said, well, I guess I just disagreed because the way you said it was so incendiary. And I said, well, hold on a second.

Why is it incendiary? I am the one actually trying to prevent people from getting AIDS. There are very specific patterns of behavior that you avoid. Don't have gay unprotected sex in a truck stop. Don't do heroin in the East Village. Like Rent. Have you ever watched the movie Rent? Have you ever seen that movie?

No. Oh, because I'm straight. I went to go see it and people were, like Rent. Have you ever watched the movie Rent? Have you ever seen that movie? No. Oh, because I'm straight. I went to go see it and people were crying at Rent. And like every single person was doing heroin in the East Village and having unprotected sex with each other. If you make it past noon without getting AIDS, you're on borrowed time. Like, I don't feel bad for you at this point. But we had people that gave us so much flack over the AIDS epidemic and none of them disagreed with the statistics. You're just not supposed to say it.

Think about that for a second, though. The issue with that Folsom Street Fair senator or congressman, you know who I'm talking about. Yes. The guy with the beautiful leather vest

with no shirt on underneath it wandering through the streets with a tie around his neck that looks suspiciously like a leash. It was a Hot Topic discount item. Think about if Donald Trump had done that.

It was on sale with the Hello Kitty backpacks. So his argument, I remember, was, well, these laws, these disclosure laws, and by the way, for people who don't know, it means you have to disclose that you have AIDS if you're having sex with somebody. Right. These disclosure laws only serve to stigmatize people. Hold on a second. Does it mean that we can't stigmatize anyone or anything ever?

We can't stigmatize anyone or anything ever? We can't stigmatize AIDS? Right. It doesn't mean we hate you. And consciously delivering it into someone. I mean, that's the problem, like being aware. At what point are we okay stigmatizing? I mean, what does it take to say like, well, you know what? Okay, maybe we should stigmatize.

If I were to use an absurd example in a bit, it would be like, okay, maybe we should stigmatize. If I were to use an absurd example in a bit, it would be like, okay, maybe we should stigmatize knowingly transferring AIDS to somebody through unprotected butt sex as a goof. But instead, we don't want to stigmatize that. You're not even supposed to say AIDS, right? Because it's HIV and then HIV gives AIDS. You know, you get AIDS because your immune system is compromised. And what AIDS is, is a syndrome, acquired immune deficiency syndrome.

I never got more hate in all the years I did this podcast than one of the early, early, early episodes. What was that doctor's name? The doctor from the University of California, Berkeley. He is ostracized from the medical community, but he's a- Duesberg. Yes, Dr. Peter Duesberg. He wrote an article in Spin Magazine way, way, way back in the day.

And his assertion was that HIV is a very weak virus and that HIV is appearing in the systems of these people because they have compromised immune systems. It's not AIDS. It's not HIV that's giving these people compromised immune systems. They already have compromised immune systems. They already have compromised immune systems. And he was saying the reason why they're having these compromised immune systems is because of amyl nitrate and crystal meth and party drugs. And he showed overwhelming, like in his mind, overwhelming evidence that all these people that got AIDS were getting, their immune system was compromised because of partying. They were saying this is why it's so prevalent in the gay party community.

He's like you. And he was talking about how you destroy your immune system with amyl nitrate. You destroy your immune system with crystal meth. And if you check the immune systems of these people, of course, it's going to be devastated. They're doing hardcore party drugs and they're doing them all the time. He said this, and he published a bunch of stuff on it. People went crazy. I mean, it was not a scientific debate.

It was more of a social issue. How dare you stigmatize crystal meth? But if it wasn't a gay thing, here's the thing. If AIDS was just something you found truck stop people who were just doing meth and shooting heroin, and they're all, for whatever reason, they're getting this disease, you would go, oh, I bet a disease probably maybe has something to do with the fact they're all doing meth. No, no, no, unrelated. But meth's bad, right?

Oh, it's terrible. But amyl nitrate's devastating. Oh, instant, no. Unrelated. Okay. But meth's bad, right? Oh, it's terrible. But amyl nitrate's devastating. Oh, instant brain damage. Amyl nitrate causes instant brain damage. You pop one of those things, it... Was that like ammonia? It's poppers. Poppers.

Yeah, they do them. It apparently opens your... Well, a lot of power lifters would do those before setting records. Some smelling salts. Yeah. Different stuff. Amyl nitrate is a potent drug. All right.

Yeah. Actually, somebody talked about that yesterday is a potent drug. All right. Yeah. Actually, somebody talked about that yesterday. Ben Greenfield talked about it yesterday. Some insanely disgusting smelling salt that you barely hold up to your nose and you do lifts like right after that. Yeah. It excites your central nervous system. It's fired up.

I like lavender. Cinnamon. I'm into cinnamon. Yeah. But anyway, I don't know what the facts are. I'm not a cinnamon. Cinnamon. I'm in the cinnamon. Yeah. But anyway, I don't know what the facts are. I'm not a fucking biologist. This guy is a tenured professor at the University of California, Berkeley. Can't get funding for anything.

He's done rock solid research on cancer. He's a really interesting guy. Yeah. But all the other AIDS researchers denounce him. Everyone else that's involved in HIV, and they might be right. They very well could be right. I don't know if he's right or he's wrong. It seems to me more likely that he's wrong because no one has come forward legitimately on his side in terms of scientific research.

Based on what you're saying, from what I hear, my inclination is it sounds like he may be wrong. But here's the thing. I'm not offended that you brought it up. He's a fucking biologist. But that's what's crazy about it. up he's a fucking biologist yeah you know but that's what's crazy about it that that's why i can't think of any shows on the other let's say center right other side of the political spectrum where they wouldn't be offended by that like you said you get so much crap i maybe he's wrong from everything i know about hiv and aids seems as though he's wrong i don't know enough to say he's

wrong but i i've heard enough people that know enough that say he's wrong that i believe them but people are sending me messages bloods on your hands and this and that. I'm like, if you went out and had unprotected butt sex after listening to the Joe Rogan experience, you deserve what's coming. Yeah. Okay? If you listen to me and you're like, that's it. Peter Duesberg is right.

Send it in. Rex Butt is going. Come on, man. Jackpot. Come on. You can't demonize conversations. And I don't know enough about the subject, but I listened to that guy's take on it. And it's fuel for thought.

You know, I don't think he's right. But I've talked to a lot of people that I don't think are right. I've talked to some crazy fucking people on this show. And I think we've got to be able to have conversations. You have to. Well, I mean, we might agree on 60% of things, maybe 50, maybe it's somewhere between 40 and 70. I don't know. It doesn't matter. It should be okay. It should be totally fine. And that's the thing when we do, you know, the change my mind segments, most time people, it's pretty amicable. And then you just get someone who comes up and wants to commit assault to Trigley Puffs. And it's like, I think

a big skill, we've kind of had to learn this because not gay Jared knows, when we first had guests, if it was a guest who I disagreed with, I was like, listen, I will not edit you. It will not be taken out of context, but I would sit down for three hours with them because they would be like, don't cut me off, don't cut me off.

And you realize they're just repeating themselves. So finding the balance of seeing there are a lot of people out there now who are open to hearing these points, who are open to hearing these ideas, being able to identify them and then being able to identify the people who are so bought in they won't even listen. You need to make an example of them for the people you can convince. Right. And understanding the two different kinds of people, the Trigley Puffs versus, you know, I don't know, Jordan Peterson, who probably never saw himself as even political at all until he came out and said something that would seem to be so benign and cause an uproar. I think being able to identify those two, it's not so much just about left and right, who can hear, who won't, and how to handle them. Right.

And why? Why can't you hear? Can you not hear because it interferes with your ideology? Or can you not hear because what they're saying is illogical? Like, which one is it? Are you not hear because what they're saying is illogical? Like, which one is it? Are you honestly listening to what they're saying? And can you give factual refute? Can you give some sort of a factual refute of this?

Or is it just, it just doesn't jive with your view of the world? You have some rock solid view of the world that you're not willing to look at in any other perspective. Well, because that's the undercover thing. By the way, Balls of Steel doing this. Yeah, let's talk about that one. We got video of that one, too. You went undercover with Antifa.

And that fucking, that one was disturbing to me. Because, first of all, you look like you slide right in like a glove, buddy. I was almost matching the guy when I got there. Guy, gal, we don't know um and i thought our costume wardrobe lady had actually just just stolen his clothes because it was almost identical yeah to what he was wearing isn't it funny though that when you're a slender man like people assume immediately your left wing oh yeah i can get away so much crap that weird yeah well like what is it about slender people? There's something there, right?

What is it about slender people that are almost always left wing? Weakness. Whoa. You think so? Sorry. Could be. Here's the thing. The same reason they see the American flag is right wing.

They see this. You might as well be the Third Reich. Did I say Third Reich? I don't even know what it is. Yeah, you said it. Yeah. That's right. I don't know.

Iron Mountain Designs. Check them out on Instagram. That is really, I was going to say, that's actually really nice. Veteran owned. Is that steel? Yeah, that's pretty cool. Guy makes them. That's it. I can usually tell when someone's approaching us if they're friendly or foe by their posture

and their body size. The guy walks in, your body size, I'm like, oh, that's probably a friendly. A friendly. A friendly. A queer looking 140 pound man like myself approaches. I'm like, ah, that's probably a friendly. A friendly? A friendly? A queer-looking 140-pound man like myself approaches. I'm like, ah, we've got to get out of Dodge. He has a shank or a screwdriver. The thing is, I had done so many of these other cover things.

I saw shotguns an hour ago. You didn't want to go. I know I didn't. You didn't want to go because I was like, I had done too many. And now I get made every time I go out. After you dress as a tranny and you interview Wendy Davis, my wig flies off. She still goes along with it. I'm on every message for her now.

I'm like, Jared, you've got to go in there. On a technical level, I also didn't want to pull up a Steel Team 6 mission between a Wednesday and Friday show. It's true. But what happened is then when you were in, you wanted to go back. It's true. I was juiced. How did it get explained to me how it got set up, how you did it?

What was the meeting? Balls of Steel. These things are much different than the Burlington, Vermont kind of gigs. I mean, that was a throwaway. This one took months of planning. It was Reg, too. Yeah, to Reg especially, to infiltrating the back end of Antifa. Reg? And Reg, we call him Reg.

We have a guy who does research for us. Don't make him mad. I won't get into anything specific, but he is like a high, high level professor. Okay. He has a 650 something pound squat He's like Bane in real life And brilliant He was the one who found the salon pedophile That's why we broke that

All that article We were the first ones to write about how he was currently actively a pedophile He sent it to me within 10 minutes He's the man in the chair You say currently wasn't a practicing pedophile, right? No, he was. He talked about grooming and all that stuff. And we wrote about it.

Really? They doubled down on it too, didn't they? They came out and defended the guy. Three more articles. Yeah. Anyway, the point is Reg does brilliant. Didn't they remove those articles? I don't know.

Maybe they did. But they did like two or three. But Reg is a brilliant researcher. And so at this point. Explain that though, because we're glossing over this for people that are just listening please explain like what that was like those articles uh sorry yeah we're starting off with that so salon.com what was their first articles i'm a pedophile but i'm not a monster yeah and it was talking about how you know the way to deal with us is again not to stigmatize

us i'm like listen i'm sorry at a certain point i'm empathetic but we send you to therapy you still want to have sex with kids we take you out of the village. We shoot you we can't take that risk Sorry, that's it So he was like I'm not a monster and talked about how you know his struggles was his family Okay, you can kind of understand it, but then Reg did some research we found all of his online Message board his pseudonyms his usernames and coded language about grooming his usernames and coded language about grooming. Grooming meaning like you're grooming kids.

Online. So we found all of it and we released an article on it. And then Salon released another article where he responded and didn't call us up by name, but was like, my week in the right wing hate sphere. And they ran it on Salon. Like, we're the bad guys because we found out that you're grooming children. And they released a few. And we just realized, okay, this is the thing.

Kind of like hormone blockers for kids. Salon's cool with an active pedophile. Let's move on now. We're not going to do it. There's no more convincing to be done here. So Reg was the one who found that. And Reg was the one who infiltrated a lot of the Antifa groups. You know, that's not his real name, but he has so many, this guy's just brilliant.

So he'd been doing research on the backend upon request and was so good. So we had all this research. We knew who these people were. We kind of knew what they were planning with Ben Shapiro going into Utah. As a matter of fact, we were going to go to Berkeley right before that. But then last minute we found out that they weren't going to do it because we know where they meet. We were on their cryptic apps where they would text you. So it was these apps that you would download. Like, I don't know if we're allowed, are we allowed to say that? I don't know. I think, yeah. The FBI came to us for information afterwards.

Like, oh yeah, we're tracking these people. There were arrests made. Because of your undercover thing. Well, arrests made on the people who were seen undercover. The same people. So they committed crimes again later that day and were arrested. So the same person who handed him a shank later that day assaulted someone was arrested so so reg gets you the information and then you how do you make contact with these people we well we were part of their facebook grouping so we found out where they wanted to meet

when um when and where and we showed up to campus and i walk in as jason antifa person new to the organization say I want to be involved. Blue contacts and a beanie. That's all it takes. You put blue contacts on? Yeah, blue contacts. Why blue contacts? Just Because we're on a budget.

We need a disguise. But why do you need a disguise? You didn't think you could slip You thought people would recognize you from the show? We could have been on their radar. We don't know.

Well, they tried to find us in Austin. Antifa did. Yeah, they were handing out posters. We taped an interview with Tim Kennedy and and they were passing out flyers. Was that when you got waterboarded? No, no, that was another time. And I would much rather be waterboarded.

Yeah, he did. He did. That was no joke, and I'd rather do that than the CNN 16-hour livestream. That's not a joke. I'd rather be waterboarded. But anyway, sorry, I'm getting off topic. But go ahead. Yeah, so we show up at this coffee house.

They're meeting at Starbucks on campus. Where he... Antifa meets at Starbucks. So I found him, met up, he gives me the cryptic messaging app. Was it a he or she? Did you find out? We don't know. I was sure it was a he

because there was a wedding band and a chick showed up. Zer. Zer sitting there with his wedding band, iPhone 7, and is brought on the side, gives me the app, and says, we'll see you tomorrow. So I say, okay, see you then. It gives me full communication. They did roll call.

They did roll call. And it's, okay, everyone roll call. We've got Jason in the group. Sound off. Yeah, it's like Firebird. What was the funny one? Firebird. Well, it went down to all these Firebird and Rogue Two and Flamethrower Nine.

And then there was Will. There was Will. Will. Will. That was his real name. Big Will Ferrell thing. Yeah, we found him immediately. No, no.

We found him so swiftly. Will was so easy to find. How could you figure out who Will was? Well, because the phone numbers are all still listed. It's a cryptic messaging app that doesn't allow you to take screenshots, but it turns out if you have another phone, you could take a photo of your screen. Just use a physical camera. They didn't seem to work

out this kink in the plans. Well, that was like the Snapchat thing where people were sending dick pics like, hey, no one's going to see it. No one's going to see it. Well, you can take screenshots. It just informs the person, which is so much worse to know someone actually took it. That just makes it worse for everybody to know. I'd rather not know.

Take a photo of it with another camera, like you said. So anyway, I'm sorry. So go ahead. So all these people are role playing. They're in Dungeons and Dragons. Exactly. So we go back to our hotel, get ready for the next day, and show up on campus where they're supposed to meet up and get together.

And you were nervous as hell at this point. Oh, I was. Because he's like, I don't want to do this. When should we play some of this? I was more nervous the day before because I didn't know what I was walking into in Starbucks. Do you want to play? How short is the clip? Do you want to play it first?

They're all like 30 seconds. Okay. Do you have them? It's from Antifa. From Antifa. Which one do you want me to start with? I'll just find one. Order your producer around.

So these people. Makes a difference to me. They were openly advocating violence and they were openly, they were, they were offering to give you a gun. Not at first. No, not at first. That's what I say. Because you actually said the funny part before you said we got into a fight and you said,

this is not in my job description. And I said, it is exactly in your job description. You have to go do this right now. And we had security and everything, but I remember you were really, and then, after the clips you'll see, after they gave you the knife and we were filing out reports with the cops, at that point he goes, I'm going to go back in. I think I can really mess with them.

They just handed you a prison shank and told you they had a sawed-off shotgun. You can't go back in there. So once he was in it, we had to rein him back. It was like a little war shotgun. You can't go back in there. So once he was in it, we had to rein him back. It was like a little luring. He popped a collar a couple times. He popped a collar. He got a little crazy.

He got a little crazy. Okay, so let's play this. This is my meeting at Starbucks. You can tell us if that's a guy. It's almost like product placement there. You think it's a guy? This is a guy. I think.

All right, play it. This is telling you how to show up. Alright, play it. Yeah, I thought so when I showed up for this one, but you know. On the board, regular rifle, sawed off style shotgun. That's a girl. Yeah, I thought so when I showed up for this one, but you know. Man, maybe the hands. She likes to play the field. Jamie is the one where they handed Jared, was it an ice pick you said, or what was it? No, no, it was an ice pick. No, it was a sharp pointy end, but it was like a screwdriver handle.

It said two AKs coming. Okay, so here it is. I think they were lying though. So the QVAR is arrested. Yeah. And tell me how I can procure my own KVARs. There we go. It's just a combat knife. It's a fixed blade.

Five inches or so. But it's just, you strap it on your leg and... KVAR, sponsor of Antifa now, by the way. Yeah, yeah. Really stab a lot of shit is a fan. Okay, so what they were doing is, first of all, that person never stabbed anybody in their fucking life, right? So these are dorks. And what they're doing is they're deciding now they're going to take action.

And they're going to enlist the aid of a bunch of other people. Did you think at that point in time, like, maybe these people are looking for suckers that are willing to do fucked up shit for them? She ain't stabbing anybody. I absolutely think so. When I showed up I met, there was like four of them when I got there. They were all running late. The socialists were all running late. Yeah, they all showed up late.

Not a single one. And one of them actually said, a sweetheart there, Honeybee, was like, yeah, that's the beauty of being unemployed I can just show up on time anywhere I want I'm like there is a silver lining I guess she was just eating and she was still late

yeah she was still late so I get there and first I'm thinking okay this is a bust this is a really sad group of people because I don't know about the weapons at this point I just see okay I'm expecting like 40s guys in what they call black block, all black goggles, everything. And it just looks like a really sad social club.

So I get there, sit down for a bit, and like three minutes in, they start telling me, they start passing me stuff, telling me everything you just saw. And I'm thinking, oh my Lord, this is not, I need to get out. I need to get out. I need to get out. Meanwhile, I'm on the other side of the school because Ben Shapiro is speaking. So I'm on the other side of the school and Ben Shapiro is there. So there are a lot of fans.

I'm kind of taking pictures and I got spotted. So I'm taking pictures. My phone's vibrating. Hold on a second. Let me just shut off my phone. Taking pictures. And I see it and Jared's like, they're handing me knives. What do I do?

What do I do? Oh my God, I gotta go. You're like, quick, get out. I'm like, okay, I need to like, they're handing me knives. What do I do? What do I do? Like, oh, my God, I gotta go. You're like, quick, get out. I'm like, okay, I need to fast. I need to think quick. Yeah, so I told him I had to take a dump, and I just left. That was hilarious. It's out.

That was hilarious. It was. Well, the crazy thing about that is that you bring us the footage. So there are cops right there. So we tell the cops, because I'm like, we've got to get him through this, whatever it is, quad or whatever it is there. Because they're talking about luring people. Oh, this is the guy right here. Yeah, this is the guy right here. I think. Oh, yeah.

It's not playing. Corrupted the file. Oh, here it goes. President Circle and they were handing out sharp objects to stab people with so they had someone come over. This guy works for local news. Why did it take two late-night hosts, comedians, to find this out? You know what? I wish you guys luck. Yes, you just saw correctly. Even being shown the footage in the presence of police officers to confirm authenticity,

they walked away. Also, I should note, this is Dan Harris from Nightline. He was on my podcast. Dan Harris? He knew about the footage and the whole story, too. I offered it to him and asked for his card. He gave us a brief spot when they actually put together weeks later, after our video came out, so he had to acknowledge it.

But he put together a small little brief montage of our video that took place on his little profile. It was a mostly peaceful event, though not without some controversy. So what happens is, to me, what's so crazy is, again, I offered it to the local guy. People who do news, you know, April O'Neil, they want the exclusive. I said, hey, man, do you want this, like to run this? Because he worked for ABC or local guy. Right. People who do news, you know, April O'Neil, they're not, they want the exclusive. I said, hey man, do you want this? Like to run this?

Because he worked for ABC or local Fox or something. And he's doing Instagram videos with five followers. And he's like, oh, a heart go up on his screen. So I'm looking at him like,

I'm like, listen man, do you want this? And he goes, what is it? So I go, well, hold on,

this is, we tell him exactly what we had and we show him the cryptic app and I'm like, hold on a second, we're not, here are the police. So we're showing it to him and he walks away. I'm like, he's like, well, I got to do app. And I'm like, hold on a second. We're not here. The police. So we're showing it to him.

And he walks away. He's like, well, I got to do my job. I'm like, this isn't a part of your job. This isn't a part. He didn't think it was. And that to me was insane. We weren't looking for necessarily a scoop. We just wanted to get this as wide as possible.

They had a rhyme going down the street with our protests. So he had to get to better things. That's what he did. He was on Instagram. Oh, you'll see people peacefully protesting. And like hold up his Instagram. Hey, hey, ho, ho. That's what he did. He was on Instagram. Oh, you'll see people peacefully protesting and hold up his Instagram. Hey, hey, ho, ho, Donald Trump sucks. Do you think that he just didn't have authority that he was trying to-

Didn't fit the narrative. Same thing with the guy from Nightline. Didn't fit. So the narrative was the anti-Trump protesters, which is what people were tuning into the news for. It wasn't- It was peaceful. It was peaceful.

Right. There were snipers on the rooftops for that little Jew, Ben Shapiro. Think about this. This was what, a week? Dangerous little guy. Two weeks after Berkeley? He's a smarmy little bastard. I love him.

But he's like, I could see how he pisses people off, but he's brilliant. He's a very, very smart guy. He was my first lawyer. He negotiated my contracts. He wasn't even an entertainment lawyer. He said, Ben, you got a lot of vowels in your last name, and I have a contract with money at play. Can you help me?

And he said, I think I can do it. That's how we became friends. was 18 that's hilarious but this is this I mean this is the heat of the Antifa fight last summer right after Berkeley they were really specifically about Antifa trying to downplay the violence and the the undercurrent they've seen they picked up given that up they seem to have accepted the fact that there's a lot of some of them some of them some of them but I think this I mean I hate not to toot our own horn, but I think things like this, I mean, that got, what, 15 million plays on Facebook and a few million on YouTube. And the reason we got more mileage is because the news refused to cover it. And then, was it the dean?

Someone there, some student activities advisor released an official statement saying nothing happened. And so we called him. So that was a follow-up video. Oh, yeah. I remember listening to that. We started with the Washington, we made up something,

Washington Herald or something. It was a really stupid name. I can't remember what it was. And we asked who made the statement that this was entirely peaceful because Honeybee... He said he was speaking on behalf of the police

but never actually quoted a name. So we figured out pretty quickly he was speaking on behalf of himself and his opinion. We found out he was actually a delegate or he was actually officially involved with the state Democratic Party. Yeah, ties to Clinton. He was a opinion we found out he was actually a delegate or something he was actually officially involved with ties to Clinton stuff yeah ties

to Clinton he was he was a Clinton staffer yeah the support of Antifa this like open support of it it's very confusing it's like do you know this you got like professors hitting

people in the head with bike locks like this is not sounds absurd but it's true it's not a wise group this is not this is not a smartly organized refutal of some crazy power structure.

This is chaos. Right. And to your question earlier, yeah, I do think they prey on losers of society to become part of. I mean, they were so quick to welcome me in because they need the numbers and they're willing to accept anybody. There was no filtration system. I gotta say that if

that was a real faction of Antiques, that's the saddest fucking faction that they have. It doesn't matter. A couple of AKs and you're as bad as anybody. Tell him later that, so Honeybee got arrested. For tasing a guy. Tasing a guy. The same tase as Smith.

She tased somebody? She tased somebody. Because I think. Who'd she tase? No, the guy sucker punched a different guy. Something happened. There was a dust up, but she called her a guy now. She used a taser. Are you misgendered? No, no, no, no. No, God, I would never do that. Something happened. There was a dust up, but she used a taser. Well, you call her a guy now? Are you misgendered?

No, no, no, no. No, God, I would never do that. Sorry, it's very confusing. I would never. No, Honeybee was actually there. It's not my character. Honeybee was a late socialist. Got arrested.

For tasing a dude. And then, after jail, was texting you. Remember that? Yeah, she wanted her knife back. Oh my God. Did she know? Because I texted her a picture. Because I texted her a picture of me sitting next to Shapiro, full getup, flipping them

the bird. You texted them a picture? Yeah, in the encryption app. Oh, my God. I should have brought the phone. I should have brought the whole thing. You bastard, give me the knife back. I'm going to go to the cops.

We were like, you bastard, give me the knife back. Sit next to Fenn and just. I was giving thumbs up. Oh, my God. That's hilarious. And we told them when it was going up on YouTube. Like, keep an eye out. Tomorrow at 6 o'clock on YouTube. So, my God. That's hilarious. And we told them when it was going up on YouTube, like, keep an eye out. Tomorrow at 6 o'clock on YouTube.

So she gets arrested for tasing somebody. Yeah. And then what happens? Now, no heat for her for all this video of her saying she's got a handgun and AKs? We don't know. I mean, can we say now? I was in a lot of phone calls with the FBI. I was on the premise with the FBI. with the FBI.

I was on the premise with the FBI and they knew that my footage was not, um, uh, and terribly surprising to any of them because they were all already on their radar. But they did ask how you got in the cryptic app. They did add, they were, they were picking my brain for how they function because they're,

they are organized to a certain extent. I mean, if there is ignored organized as the Berkeley faction or as any other faction that's, that's caused trouble, who knows, but to some level they are. And that's, that's where trouble. Who knows? But to some level, they are. And that's where the FBI used us to kind of help them.

What's what we were talking about earlier that my take on it is that if you're trying to suppress people that hardcore and it's just a guy who's talking and that guy turns out to be Ben Shapiro and you're calling him a Nazi, like do you see the fucking – The most dangerous man they call him. Do you see the yarmulke on his head? Yeah. Ben Shapiro's a Nazi. Are you out of your mind?

Like, this is, you're so far gone that you're, like, with every single one of these things, it diminishes the credibility of this whole movement. Like, the whole thing just seems preposterous. Like, you're calling everybody a Nazi. Even a Jewish guy with a yarmulke on, he's a Nazi. Because he's a white supremacist. How the fuck is he a white, you listen to, he's a Nazi. He's a white supremacist. How the fuck is he a white? You listen to what he's saying? He's not a white supremacist.

He's a conservative. And if you don't think that he's correct, go debate him. Well, it's probably because racist wasn't good enough. Calling him a bigot wasn't good enough. They just escalated to, okay, well, not to get your attention, and it escalates that way. It's like what happened to Jordan Peterson and that woman who had recorded the conversation

between the professors that were chastising her for showing, just showing a clip of Jordan Peterson discussing gender pronouns. The professors equated her, or equated him, to Hitler. They literally equated Jordan Peterson to Hitler. And Milo Yiannopoulos, which is a big spectrum. Milo Yiannopoulos, Hitler. Well, not only that, Milo Yiannopoulos, Ben Shapiro. There are no two people who hated each other more.

Yeah. You know what I mean? And there's like alt-righters, Milo Yiannopoulos and Ben Shapiro. I'm like, do you realize how much they despise each other? 2016, Ben Shapiro was the number one recipient of anti-Semitic hate online. Number one. Doesn't surprise me. I mean, that's how crazy it is to call him a Nazi.

I mean, he's super Jewish too. I mean, he's how crazy it is to call him a Nazi. I mean, he's super Jewish, too. I mean, he's as Jewish as it gets. He's as Jewish as it gets. I don't even send him texts if we're getting near Saturday. I'm serious. He's like, you know how they do the shaving thing where you can use an electric trimmer on one port and a straight razor? I'm like, okay.

He's so logical in every other way. He's so hardcore with that. It's so strange. I'd love to talk to him about that. About his Jewishness? Yeah. Just so hardcore with it. Juosity.

Juosity. Juosity? Is that the thing? I don't know. But, you know, Ben and I have been friends for a long, long time. And I think even when I was on the show, I was like, you know, listen, I've never planned to be a debater. It just kind of was thrust upon me sometimes with people on the show. I think I'm a marginally intelligent person.

Ben Shapiro is brilliant. It just kind of took a while for people to find him. I think on the show, it's like, yeah, Ben is the kind of guy, if you want to talk about this, and really have someone who goes in the lion's den, and he just doesn't care. He just does not care. He wasn't afraid of Milo during that time. Listen, you have to take into consideration Ben Shapiro during this time.

Ben Shapiro leaves Breitbart. There's Sme smearing his name. He doesn't like Steve Bannon. This is well known. Breitbart is really powerful. Steve Bannon is getting cozy with Donald Trump. Ben Shapiro can't stand Donald Trump. Milo Yiannopoulos is the most popular right-wing sort of commentator, and he's going after Ben.

There was a period where I'm sure it was pretty rough for him, and he still stuck to his guns. You've got to respect that with a guy. No, and I like him. He's a very nice guy. I had him on the show, had a great time talking to him. I think he's a very nice guy, a very smart guy. I feel like there's something happening right now culturally. There's so many people that are freaking out because Donald Trump is the president

that everything is ramped up, and no one can be left-wing enough. And I think this is probably one of the reasons why someone would justify having an article like that pedophile thing on salon.com and why people just, it seems to be that like you can't be progressive enough. Like everything is getting so over the top and so ridiculous that people are calling other progressives out for not being progressive enough and it's, they're eating their own. The pussy hat thing. Have you heard about that? Yes. The transgender community is very upset

that you are a white woman wearing a pussy hat. You are mocking people that are women that don't have pussies. Specifically black women because they're not always pink. And black women because black women's maybe you've seen a couple

but don't say always. Because that is just wrong. Internally. Yeah. You don't know. Who knows? Okay, I'll give you that. You're just taking guesses.

I spoke out of turn. Some of them are dark. But the point is, like, that's how crazy the left wing has gotten. Like, that wearing a pink pussy hat is offensive because it's offensive to people who are women who have penises. Yeah. Literally. That's what they said.

And people of color who also don't have pink pussies. Like, fuck you. Like, pink is obviously a universal color for women. You're wearing a hat. It's got cat ears. Get it? Get it? It's not a vagina, you fuck.

It's not like you have a goddamn vagina on your head. It kind of is. Some people did. Some people did. There was a lot. Yeah, they had some serious vaginas. We actually, we just didn't have the budget, because Lansing was really, they were actually, I think it was Lansing, Michigan.

One of the places had like a ban on the pussy hat. So we just wanted to show up with 50. Wait a minute. What? Yeah, there was one, I don't want to speak out of turn, I don't know if it was Lansing. Some place had a ban. Some place was like, we just actively discourage it. And we just wanted to show up with 50 guys who are like hardcore feminists. Well, I'm against that. I'm against that.

Now I'm on their side. We just wanted to show up with 50 people in pussy hats and be like, what? We didn't know. But wait a minute, why? They just bought them last year. Right, and these hats are just cat hats. It's not like a vagina. It's a cat. It's a double entendre.

It is, but you can't have a double entendre publicly? You can't explain that to your kid? What's going on there, dad? Oh, little fella. They like cats. That's it. How hard is that? But why are they screaming? You can't touch my pussy. Eat your puberty blockers and shut up.

Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, when that happened, it was right after the Women's March. And you and I were talking about it. At that point, we were sort of analyzing the idea of pussyhead economics and the wage gap. And we're talking about this and why that wasn't necessarily true. Now, we're so beyond that. I just go, look, they're mad at their own hats. You know what I mean?

And that's a joke for the night of the show. That's it. That really is it. That's a joke for the night of the show. That's it. That really is it. They're so crazy, left-wing, progressive, over-the-top, attacking each other that you can't wear a pussy hat anymore. But who defends it is my point.

Let's say like Anna Kasparian or Cenk or whoever. I'm just using them as an example. It would behoove them to go on air and say, this is why the left loses, right? Because now you're upset about the pussy hats. Instead, they go along with it. We really should have caught that earlier. They got a point. Yeah, we should have caught that.

I understand that. It's a cat and a vagina. But you can't make fun of anything. They're in this weird position where if it's a left-wing thing, you can't make fun of it. Even if it's obviously ridiculous, you just ignore it. Ignore it and avoid it because to mock it would be to attack your own team. And that's what it feels like to me.

Their own shrinking team. Doesn't it feel—this is totally just me kind of asking—throwing this to the room. Maybe to YouTube if there's a fan. I'm just asking questions. Black Lives Matter, Antifa, the pussy, it's kind of all disappeared a little bit.

If you think about it, think about the news. They're really not very active. It's been like a couple of months. You think of how exponentially volatile everything was. Right. Doesn't it seem like it's kind of faded? I think it's faded because it's proof that it's not this huge

grassroot movement. I think they ran out of budget. I think they spent it all. Well, that was, I hate to say it, but we were talking about the Women's March and it was like, at that point, they were saying the biggest march of all time. I said, watch. Watch. Watch the next one. The next one we went to Denton, Texas. You couldn't find 40 people because they were paid to show up.

It's like the SEAU, the Fight for 15. Yeah, but that Denton, Texas in LA was giant like the SEAU, the Fight for 15. They are these leftist organizations. Yeah, but that's Denton, Texas. And L.A. was giant. No, no. The Women's March was huge everywhere. But the point is they did a follow-up march and there was no one. When you don't pay people to show up and you're not knitting the hats and giving them out, no one shows up.

But where, though? In Denton, Texas, maybe? No, everywhere. But in L.A., they weren't paying people. Oh, yeah. Oh, come on, man. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.

You think they were paying, was something like 900,000 people? 500,000 people downtown. There were a lot of people. To give them a dollar and have them spend all day? I think what's a half a million dollar budget. Everyone who works for a leftist think tank, everyone who works for a leftist nonprofit, everyone who works for the SEIU or is a part of the union, this now becomes a part of your job description to show up in solidarity and support them.

It's the same reason they support Antifa, even though it's silly, and they support Black Lives Matter. I don't think you're right about that. I think there's a lot of people that love to march. They love some sort of a cause. They think they're doing the right thing. They think they're out there protesting. They get excited about it. It's on a Saturday.

I don't think any of these people are getting paid. These people are excited about it. They're out there. They're chanting and cheering. And this is what they want to stand proud and be Solidified and two weeks later none of them show up What do you mean there were many women's marches after that the follow-up nothing like you look at the tea party when it started There's to do one you don't have to keep going all of course. This is January 20th. That's ten days ago

This is oh, this is the recent one. Yeah It's like every they do it once a year, they can gather their troops. I think you're crazy. No. I don't think they pay people. Well, we signed up for the Fight for 15. What's that? The SEIU.

We're on all the mailing lists. So we're on all the mailing lists as to where these things meet and when. Fight for 15? What does that mean? Yeah, hashtag Fight for 15. What does that mean? That's the Fight for 15 minimum wage. Oh.

Yeah, that's all union sponsored minimum wage thing. Yeah. Okay. Same thing with the women's marches. Remember when we showed up and we asked them, the ones outside of the big, the only people who were there were paid. I hate speakers. Okay.

Well, that's different. Okay. That's a different march, but I think the women's march is pretty legit. I think these people are doing it because they don't like having this guy in power. They wanted a woman. There's two things going on. One, they wanted a woman to be president. They thought a woman was going to be president

and then it was snatched from them. Snatched. Snatched away. Start selling a hat. He's just a fucking crazy guy. Donald Trump's a crazy guy. But he's going to be a crazy guy the next month when you're doing another

march or protest, but no one shows up. They think somehow or another that it's going to have an impact. It doesn't. It does culturally, like people are aware of it, but it doesn't have any impact on him. I don't think Muslims even know what they want to impact on. Find his tweet, because it was goddamn hilarious. About the women's march?

About what a wonderful day it is for you to be out there marching. Those are the moments where I think maybe he is self-aware. He is, but the point is you look at pro-life marches and things, hundreds of thousands of people all the time. All the time. Here it is. Trump tweets in support of women's march.

That's also protesting him. Go to the tweet. What was it? I'm trying to remember. Here's his tweet. Beautiful weather all over the great country. That's a good impression. Go ahead. Get out there now

To celebrate the historic milestones And unprecedented economic success And wealth creation That has taken place Over the last 12 months Lowest female unemployment In 18 years Come on

That's fucking funny man I don't give a shit What you say 209,000 I don't care if you're a supporter If you're a person Who appreciates comedy That's fucking strong trolling

right there. You know how many what's her name? Trolley Puff? What's her name? Trolley Puff. You know how many of them were sitting in front of

the computer just fucking screaming. How many holes got punched into laptops? People were angry at that. That's hilarious. Well, we went to the, think about the march

or the protest we went to in Grand Rapids, the socialist march. Yeah, that was really marketed as being really big. Could you imagine the balls? But to your point that they were pissed off that these students who were like a lot of people just there for the movement were pissed off that the union people didn't show up and they're supposed to come in in the busloads, the union workers. They didn't show up.

The only people who showed up were the people paid by the organization. And that's one thing we found. So like the Utah Antifa. And the reason we say this is every time we show up, we found it actually from a leftist activist group. It's about, what did we average? A twelfth of the people who say they're interested in going. Oh, yeah. Something like a twelfth.

Like Reg came up with a number. They like Facebook. They don't really like to show up. Yeah. If 120 people say attending, it'll be like eight. where they like to show up. Yeah. If 120 people say attending,

it'll be like eight. And it is consistent to the point where we have to determine what events we go to or what is funny enough to cover because even if it'll say a few thousand people

are going to a march, inevitably, it's far, far less. You have to run through the bullshit algorithms to determine how many actually. Yeah, we've had so many where you're just like,

does this depend on where you're talking about? Like if you're in Lansing, Michigan maybe, but if you're in LA, these marches are giant. Well, you're in LA. No, but there are some, but for every one that you see that the media says, okay, we're going to, you know, this in Lansing, Michigan, maybe. But if you're in L.A., these marches are giant. Well, you're in L.A. No, but there are some.

But for every one that you see that the media says, okay, this is all hands on deck, there are 40, no one shows up. We had that even in New York City with the fight for 15. That makes sense, though. I mean, how many times can you get people to march? Well, not even march. Show up for any protest. Right.

How many times can you get people to protest? I mean, you can only get a few of those out of a person in a year. I disagree. You think people are just down to do it all the time? The Tea Party thing was hundreds of thousands, like every other month, like clockwork. And then they won an election. That's different, though. The Hawaii G20 group.

Oh, yeah. That was another thing we got kicked out of. The Hawaii G20 group. What's that? J20. J20. I don't know. It was an undercover thing.

We got kicked out. Not much. Hawaii J20? Was it J20? It's called J20. I don't know why. I don't know. What was an undercover thing. We got kicked out. Not much. Hawaii? J-20? Was it J-20? It's called J-20. I don't know why. I don't know. What's it about?

I don't know what it's for. What was it? It was about socialist immigration. It resists Trump movement and hashtags. Do you imagine the balls it takes to beat Trump? You got literally a million people out there protesting and you make a tweet like that? It's pretty funny. It's pretty funny.

It's fucking balls. Oh, yeah. You got to give him that. You got to give him that. You got to set on him for that. Whether you agree with him or not, just take that away. Take all that sound away and just look at what he just did there. And you got to wonder, like, if Churchill had Twitter.

Oh, yeah. You know? Oh, yeah. Would it be this? Is it just that he has the tools now? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, this is unprecedented.

There's never been, I mean, not only that, like, he's got a style. Like, sad. Like, this style got a style. Like, sad. Like, this style of saying things and then writing sad. And then attacking people. Like, who the fuck has ever been the president and has personally attacked, Lion Ted, Crooked Hillary. Yeah. I mean, he's, what does he call, Sloppy Steve Bannon?

Is that what he calls him now? Yeah, he calls him Sloppy Steve. Same with political people, either. I mean, just a couple days ago, he went after somebody, some rapper or something. Jay-Z. Was it Jay-Z? Yeah, Jay-Z was talking about it. He goes, Jay-Z apparently doesn't understand that the lowest unemployment rate for blacks

ever is going on right now. Because that really affects Jay-Z a lot. He knows a lot of poor black people. Why hasn't he responded to Eminem? He responds to Jay-Z, but not Eminem. Eminem's too vicious vicious and he's white. I think he's... That was the worst...

That's another moment where I think he might be... ...since I've ever seen him in my life. Self-aware enough. That was like so prefab when we were like, oh man, you just got burned. We actually did a sketch with Owen Benjamin doing the Eminem thing. It was like a Jewish executive writing and stuff. Like, it's gonna kill, kid. Call the president a bitch.

Yeah, I felt like it could have been better. But it pissed Eminem off more that he didn't respond. Right. Which is another moment you got to think, maybe he is self-aware. Maybe he knows what's... Because he said he had the next... Lights maybe are on. He was like Macaulay Culkin when the criminals were coming to his house.

He was like, if Donald Trump responds, I'll be ready. And Donald Trump was like, okay. Yeah, good luck. That was it. I don't care. And you know Eminem had already had his next cipher written. Come on. I don't know. The you know Eminem had already had his next cypher written. Come on. I don't know.

The pauses and everything were fake. It's like, hold up. Wait a minute. Come on. Come on. It's like a comic who, I'm going to take suggestions from the audience. Oh, it's McDonald's. And you're a nerd.

It's like, well, you know you've done this act 50 times. Yeah. It was like I say in the back when you don't mic the audience. You ever watch one of those? You're like, this doesn't work. There's a big, long pause. But this was intentional. He had time to post production.

My favorite part was how he's got a bunch of black people sitting around watching him. Yeah. That's my favorite part. I know. They're all sitting around watching. And he's doing all the talking. And he's not buddies with all of them. He wants you to think that.

They came straight out of central casting. You think? Some of them. I think some of them. Were they paid by the same people that paid the women to march? Yeah, I think they were paid by the SEIU. Soros. I'm not fine for 15. I'm sitting through a shitty cipher? Okay. It was one of the best moments ever

when Alex Jones got high on the podcast and then it came up during his divorce hearing. He goes, I only smoke marijuana once a year to find out if George Soros is making it stronger. They're doing something to the weed. I gotta test it for potency. Soros. Imagine Soros sitting there

in his fucking castle somewhere. Jack up the potency in the weed. He makes the call. I can't see. These kids aren't getting high enough. Did he actually say that? As if he makes the call. THC. That is funny. These kids aren't getting high enough. Did he actually say that? Call Murdoch.

Tell him to check me. He not only said that, he couldn't remember his kids' teachers' names. So he said, well, I had a big bowl of chili today. I can't remember. He said, I have a big bowl of chili. I can't remember. Has he been on the show since then? No.

It's too much of a liability with the court proceedings. I'd have him on. I just wonder for him if his lawyers would be careful. He just hasn't been in LA. He asked me to do his show in Austin, and I'm sorry, Alex, I couldn't do it. I was in and out. I was in like two hours before my shows. I had two shows that night, and I had to fly out at 7 a.m. the next day.

Well, he's a very hospitable guy. He's aggressively hospitable, because he left me a voicemail when we were in Austin. We were like, hey, Jared, come on. Come on, don left me a voicemail when we were all sitting and we were like, hey Jared, come on, come on, don't be a pussy, just right down the street,

come on. Antifa was just chasing us around and they were like, if you find this guy, punch him and let us know and we had people snapping pictures of us and so we got to go. This is when we did,

we were undercover at South by Southwest and we get a voicemail like, I just don't understand why we have studios here and we can protect you and we're just like,

you don't understand, we are halfway to Waco, we're out of town. He's like, I just don't understand why we have studios here and we can protect you. And we're just like, you don't understand. We are halfway to Waco. We're out of town. He's like, talk louder and I'll be a pussy. He was really trying to be very hospitable. But we were just trying to get out of town. I got more hate from that episode, too. But also, I was like, look, don't you see why I love him?

Like, you see him when he's drunk and stoned and we're having a great time. He's talking about interdimensional child molesters. He was crazy. That's great television. He he was crazy That's great television He's crazy That's great television Like Alex Jones is a fun guy You know and look I'm not

I don't believe everything he believes I mean he believed Sandy Hook was fake Yeah it's a rough one It's a rough one I think he's dropped that since then And he tries to come up with some caveats or something like that Or some things when we're not shown that we're real New evidence has come to my attention Yeah I don't know what the fuck that was all about or something like that or some things when we're not shown that we're real or new evidence

has come to mind. Yeah, I don't know what the fuck that was all about. I've heard that one from a few careless people. I'm like, man, you can't say that.

Well, then there was the Vegas thing was a conspiracy. That's a lot of people think that one. That's a weird one. But this is where nothing's come up since then.

That is weird. Here's the Vegas one. Here's what's weird about the Vegas one. It seems like there's differing opinions on timelines. There's the Vegas one. Here's what's weird about the Vegas one. It seems like there's differing opinions on timelines. There's differing stories, rather, on timelines. There's a possibility that someone may have aided him.

Right. And the guy was a fucking evil cunt. He covered his tracks. I mean, it's almost like he wanted people to go crazy. Search warrant, document shows, second person of interest after Las Vegas shooting. What was this? This is the last couple of hours. Really? Unsealed documents and

a guy's name Douglas Haig or something popped up. Okay, well there you go. That's interesting. But that's Las Vegas review. I mean, who else is reporting this? It makes me... Everywhere, everywhere. Is it everywhere? Okay. Yeah, so I would imagine that what's going on is there's probably somebody that helped him get the guns and helped him move them up into the room

or something along those lines. Sure. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. No, I mean, there were people saying, like, the bodies were fake and that kind of stuff. They're out of their mind. I know somebody who got shot there. Yeah. I know somebody who got shot there. And one of the girls who was a ring card girl was there while it happened.

And she escaped narrowly with her life while people were dropping right in front of her as she was running. Her name's Ashley. As she was running, people were getting shot right in front of her. Dan Bilzerian was there. Oh, really? Dan told me he saw a lady's head get blown off that's right he said a lady's head exploded right in front of him yeah that's where that's where let's say there's a conspiracy right let's say okay there's let's say this is a second person helped him let's even say there's a second shooter could have been could have been it doesn't undo the horror it doesn't mean there was some conspiracy necessarily to cover up a second shooter. Maybe there's new information that's come to light.

And there's often a grain of truth sometimes. And then people go, therefore, ba-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Right. Someone was trying to tell me what they reported shooters at all these other casinos, but then the news never covered it. I go, no, you don't understand. When there's 50 people that get murdered by a guy who's shooting out of a fucking Mandalay Bay window, you're going to have chaos. And when you have chaos, people run into casinos.

There's a shooter. There's a shooter. They'll run into Circus Circus. They'll run into MGM. They'll scream, there's a shooter. People get on the phone. They call. They call security.

There's a shooter at the MGM. It doesn't mean there's a shooter at the MGM. It means there's chaos. Right. And you get a lot of bad information. Placed with a lot of echo, I'm sure, too. So in the middle of chaos, you don't know where it's coming from. Ref means there's chaos. And you get a lot of bad information. It's a lot of echo, I'm sure, too. In the middle of chaos, you don't know where it's coming from. Reflections, lights, and echo.

One of the girls that was at the UFC, she got her leg blown out because someone got shot and killed right in front of her, and the guy fell on her leg, and it blew her ACL out. One of the fighters from the UFC? No, no, no. One of the girls who was at the event. And then Dana White got a bunch of people that got shot and everything.

And Dana White's the best. And he brought these people to the event. And it was like, we did an event that week, man. I did a comedy show that week. I did a comedy show at the Mirage that Friday. I donated all the money to the Vegas Victims Fund. But it was just like, it was weird. The whole thing was weird. Yeah, that is. And it is weird, too, that it was just like, it was weird. The whole thing was

weird. Yeah, that is. And it is weird too that, you know, saying, okay, a country music festival. Yeah, exactly. Those are right-wing people. I mean, so I'm not saying this as a left-wing extremist, but it is weird that we didn't really hear a whole lot after that. This guy didn't give a fuck who he was killing. He wasn't trying to kill country music people. He did this at other music events too, where he showed up and it right and got hotel rooms and overlooked the exact same sort of a scenario he was plotting this he just wanted to kill a bunch of people and then kill himself he said and by the way here's another guy that was on some sort of psych medication yeah this is a constant in these mass shooters and this is one of

the things that gets ignored and it should be fucking front and center and everybody's mind they should be thinking front and center in everybody's mind. They should be thinking, what are we doing to people by giving them these pills? What the fuck are we doing? It was just like Xanax or something. He was on anti, um,

anxiety medication, which, which has, by the way, it's the same kind of shit that Chris Cornell was on when he hung himself. That anti anxiety medication is no joke. And who knows what kind of a weird adverse reaction you're going to have to that stuff. Oh yeah.

People react. They do the genetic testing now. And I've done that for, I don't know if you've done that. Like now they do it as a consumer thing, 23andMe, I think. But actually my doctor actually did genetic testing where we did it in the office to check, you know, for predispositions towards diseases. And also you can check to see which medications you might have negative interactions with. And they found out for me there were certain painkillers that would be really bad that I wouldn't process super effectively and then some that would work.

Same thing as far as even like I think it was Celebrex would have been worse for me to take than Advil. So things like that, like this actually works better with your body chemistry. Oh, wow. And then when you get to psychotropic medication, I mean, think about it. Like I had negative interactions with a list of whatever antidepressants were on there. Like do not take. There was a green column, yellow column, red column.

And most people don't know. And it's not entirely accurate. But they're saying that it's increasing the efficacy of medication by like 50% using this as a guideline. That's fascinating. Yeah. And, you know, and by the way, that guy's whole family is fucking crazy. That guy's dad was a serial bank robber. The guy's brother got busted for child pornography.

That's what Whitney Cummings brought up the other day. She thought it was the shooter. It was actually his brother. I remember it after the fact. They found some on his computer, too, apparently. Did they? Yeah. Damn.

The whole family's fucking kids. The shooter? Yes. Child pornography? Yeah. One of the laptops that was in the room, one of the five laptops had apparently something. Maybe he borrowed it from his brother. That's his excuse.

Yeah. Guarantee you that's what he told the cops. Right before he shot himself. Well, apparently someone fired a gun in the room besides him, too. Who the fuck knows? Well, that was holding the room service bill. That was something that there were a lot of conspiracies. And that's like an example where I think people said no one had been to the room for a long time.

And then there was a room service bill that said someone had been to the room. Room service. And then it looked like, I think by the amount of food, that there were possibly two people in the room. I've known fat people who go to the drive-thru and order two Diet Cokes because it makes them feel less guilty. Check to see how much I eat. Your room service bill? Dude, I'll go to the gym and then I'll order room service. And people are like, how many people?

I'm like, one. They're like, are you sure? I'm like, bring it up, bitch. I order two entrees all the time. Yeah. Well, because usually especially if you're getting like you want two times the meat or you want two times the protein. Yeah, if I'm lifting, I fucking get hungry, man.

I just go crazy. Mark Ripito ordering double meat that one time we went out with him. Oh my gosh. He was just an animal. Double meat? Double meat. Just double the meat. It's like, we don't do that. Like, figure it out. Yeah, he's a strength trainer, and he's also a scientist, and he wrote Starting Strengths,

and we were somewhere, and he just asked the server, he goes, please, double the meat. She goes, so you want a dollar more? You want two dollars more? He's, figure it out. That's not a good thing to say to someone who's handling your food. No, probably not? Figure it out. That's not a good thing to say to someone who's handling your food. No, probably not. Figure this out, bitch. But the room service bill, that was something where I read it and I was going, oh, that's curious, right?

The room service bill. That's my point is what's the kernel of truth of some of these conspiracies. But people, they go, hold on a second. The room service bill has two tuna fish sandwiches and one steak tartare, therefore the Jews. You know, it's like, well, hold on a second. You're making a huge leap. And it makes it hard. There's a plus side to new media, which we talk about this all the time.

We feel a lot of responsibility, especially being more of an entertainment show, where it's great because you can do this show, and you don't have the same kind of time constraints, and you can talk about things authentically as long as, you know, for the YouTube stuff they allow us to. But on the flip side is anyone can get information out there, and there are people willing to capitalize on that and proactively lie. Right.

And so I get it. That's a problem. But the solution is not to have a bunch of people in Silicon Valley determining what's right. Well, I mean, it's just like those flat earth fucks. You can make a video on anything. I mean, if you want to make a video. And if it's compelling, the same flat earth guy, he's got a video on dinosaurs not being real, nuclear bombs being fake, satellites being fake. Really? Jiu-jitsu doesn't work wing chung is the

shit well right away yeah fucking mind this guy and people people ignore that they ignore that and just like yeah but it's flat earth things pretty compelling man gotta look into it yeah yeah no but akito i wouldn't be there yeah if you came at me i would yeah i would not be there i'd sidestep you. Oh, my God. Yeah, that's one of my favorite things to do, just watch those on YouTube. Oh, I post those on Instagram left and right. Yeah, the hashtag, if you just look at hashtag legit as fuck, that's my hashtag.

I put up with all fake martial arts videos. I'm like, I don't know how many of them I posted. Just throw an Illuminati frame somewhere in there I'm not stop posting them man because now when you repost them I'm my fucking Instagram getting flagged like people are claiming them you know what martial arts video even if they didn't make them they can claim them and say it's theirs and they can get it taken down from Facebook or Instagram I'm shaking down for a few bucks they didn't necessarily film them but they get if they say it's theirs, you have to prove it's

not theirs. There's a lot of squirrely people out there when it comes to videos online. Especially the people who are flat earth video claimers. Well, one person tried to argue that with me. And you know the whole Mandela effect? That's another thing they're into. He's like, it's Baron Steinbears, not Baron Steenbears. He thought that was going to convince me.

I'm going, what? Because it was Kazam, not Shazam, the genie movie with Shack. Like that's a big thing for them. This is the hill they die on. But the same person was a flat earther and said something like, okay, it's an easy test. The earth is spinning, right?

If it's spinning a thousand miles an hour, okay. You go up in a helicopter, don't move, go back down. If you're in the same place, it's a lie. You know it. And I said, hold on a second. Like I'm not a scientist, but I know if I throw a baseball from the back of the bus, it's going to the front of the bus because we're starting at the same velocity

I mean this is basic physics that you would learn in high school, so that's where for me I might mountside Helens doesn't volcano this way They just don't understand science they don't understand physics, and they're just they say things and it's compelling to people There's photos of the fucking glaciers in Antarctica. And they're like, look, it's the ice wall. Like, they really believe there's an ice wall. It would be cool if there was. Pretty badass.

Save Donald Trump some money. But imagine anybody keeping that secret. Imagine someone like somebody. Why? Well, Jamie's got round earth shell t-shirts for sale at youngjamie.com. Sold out right now. Oh, do you? Sold out, bitch.

That's the question though, why? Right? Yeah, exactly. Like, we're not scientists, do you? Sold out, bitch. That's the question though, why? Right? Yeah, exactly. We're not scientists and there's a bunch that you could probably, someone could come on and talk about the Earth's core

and talk about the gravitational pull that we'd be like, oh wow, that's really, I didn't know that. I feel like an idiot. But I can't ask, why would anyone want to convince me

there's a flat Earth? Yeah, or why would anyone want to convince you that it's round when it's actually flat? Yeah, I don't understand. Big round Earth is profiting too much people just love bullshit they get off on it there's an audience for it yeah but they enjoy it i think they they really enjoy bullshit like i think people get excited about things that they can try to uncover i think it's like some

human thing like of like like i think they're gonna attack us you know like there's like a secret sort of like not a secret but like a thing in your head about uncovering secrets yeah yeah you know i think i think it appeals to the contrarians too because they just like to piss people off they like to do right and a lot of them are just really uneducated i mean super uneducated like they just don't understand basic physics like just a few things the martial arts thing is a good example with that because nagajira is starting to do starting to do jujitsu and and where are you training and that's where we're from actually the guy who does my security is a black belt okay and so he's just starting we're gonna come into this studio do kind of some privates with them um this guy's talking he's a crazy insanely insanely strong dude just one of

those guys you look at and you go oh it doesn't matter if I trained my whole life. I wouldn't be that strong. He walked in in high school to a gym. Mark Ripto's gym. Got to get some of that Buck Angel. No, no, no, no. This guy walked in at 16, 16. And I found this because it was corroborated by Mark Ripto in Wichita Falls, Texas.

When he found this guy's name. Good old Mark. Well, he just said, he said, wait, are you talking about so-and-so who was a friend of mine? Totally accidental. wait, are you talking about so-and-so who was a friend of mine? Totally accidental. And he goes, that man came into my gym at 16 years old and accidentally snatched 270 pounds. Jesus.

So this guy is, anyways, but he's a super nice guy. He's a super nice guy. Like, church-going Christian, we always kind of joke about him. He's like, you know, I know. Like, you can see there's something burning beneath the surface. He's like, you know, I know it's not good, but I wanted to kill him. At one point he was doing security at SMU, and he was like, I could see him walking up to him. I'm like, no, no, no, hold on, stop.

You can see just that little bit. Nice guy with the shortest fuse. But it's always amazing to me that people just deny it. And it's like, hold on a second. Show me, what are you talking about, the Flat Earth thing? Aikido. Show me one video ever in the history of mankind of Aikido winning a fight against

a mixed martial arts guy. Or I had someone who believed that Steven Seagal was a legitimate fighter. I said, okay, that's a claim. One video ever in the history of Steven Seagal fighting an unwilling opponent. You never got more crap than our Bruce Lee video. No, we didn't. I said

he was a good theorist and he was one of the early sort of mixed martial arts adopters, but the fact is Bruce Lee video. Oh, you shit on Bruce Lee. No, we didn't. I said he was a good theorist and he was one of the early sort of mixed martial arts adopters. But the fact is, Bruce Lee would get killed by a decent flyweight in the UFC. And people are like, how dare you?

Well, that's true. And also, the reality is the martial arts from 1970 versus the martial arts from 2018, there's been more radical change in martial arts, the understanding of technique since 1993 from 2018. There's been more radical change in martial arts, the understanding of technique since 1993 to 2018 than there's ever been in the history of martial arts. And Bruce Lee was responsible for a big shift from 1970 to the UFC.

It's very hard to find a single UFC fighter that wasn't a Bruce Lee fan or isn't currently a Bruce Lee fan, including me. And I think that what he did was introduce this open-minded approach to martial arts. Right. Taking what's useful from boxing, from wrestling. I mean, look, he entered the dragon. He's doing an armbar. You know, he killed somebody.

He killed Chuck Norris with a guillotine. Armbar. It wasn't the best. But I understand what you're saying. But he's doing weird stuff. He obviously wasn't a black belt in jiu-jitsu. No. Mean ping-pong player. see, that's what we talked about

and what people got really mad at is they were saying he would cream anybody, like Brock Lesnar. And so I said, well, hold on, he's two inches shorter and 25 pounds lighter than Nakia Jared. And so we had Nakia Jared in the Bruce Lee pants just going, and people were furious. Like, he's 25 pounds heavier and two inches taller. That's an idea

as to how small of a man this is. It's just not dealing, like, doesn't mean that he didn't write a good Tao, didn't write a good book. The book's great, but it's also plagiarized. He took passages in full without any accreditation at all and took and I don't want to say in a bad way because I think what he was

trying to do was just like his whole style. He just took big chunks of books on boxing and other different martial arts and took verbatim passages from that. Maybe plagiarizing is not the right word because what he did was like a collection of martial arts technique. And so one of the things he did – see if you could find that. He just forgot the hat tip. Yeah, he just forgot the hat tip.

Well, I mean he wasn't an author. He was a martial artist and he was collecting different writings on different styles. See, Bruce Lee, the Tao of Jeet Kune Do, plagiarized passages. Again, I'm a giant Bruce Lee fan. I'm not shitting on him. But I think it's also very important. I own the Tao of Jeet Kune Do. I think it's very important that he did collect these important works on different martial arts.

And he was the first. Dude, when I first started out doing martial arts, when I was doing Taekwondo, you had to just do Taekwondo. When I branched out and started doing Muay Thai and started kickboxing, they were very against it. A lot of the traditionalists were very against it, very against trying out other techniques. They just didn't think it was necessary. And I was like, that is crazy. I've sparred with these guys. Getting kicked in the legs is fucking awful.

I'm going to learn how to do this. Yeah. I'm not going to not learn this. Somebody kicked my leg once. I was like, oh, okay. That's what I feel like. Okay, we got a new thing here. Got to change this.

I'm like, I got to learn that. Same thing with jujitsu. As soon as I did jujitsu, I was like, I know how to fight. I got fucking raped. I mean, literally like ragdolled by some guy who was exactly

the same size as me. Like, oh, okay, now I gotta learn this because there's no fucking way I can go through life thinking I know how to fight

while this guy's out there. That guy was a purple belt too. He wasn't even like, you know, he wasn't bigger than me. He was like close to my age. He killed me. And then even,

I mean, you're a black belt, you're accomplished and then you roll with someone. Like, I rolled with, I'm fortunate enough to have rolled with some good guys because I travel. And you'll be like, oh, okay, here's a black belt. This guy's kicking my ass. And then I rolled with the worst I've ever had in my life.

Nice guy. So please don't mistake this. It was Lucas Leche. He was not flow. Like, I've rolled with Marcelo Garcia. We've had Boucher come in, Gabriel Vela, Cyborg, like all these different seminars. Nice guys. But Lucas Leche, I think, was just, like, if've had Boucher come in, Gabriel Vela, Cyborg, like all these different seminars. Nice guys. But Lucas Leche, I think, was just like, if you're a bigger guy and you go and you roll with him,

and he actually accidentally, he just, he did a collar pull, it was so hard, I put my hand out to post, and I popped my shoulder out of the socket. Oh, Jesus. In the first ten seconds. And so then he gets my back, and I was able, but you can see, and the tape, I don't know if I still have it, I'm doing this, trying to pop my shoulder back in, and it was so fast, and I was able, but you can see, and the tape, I don't know if I still have it, I'm doing this, trying to pop my shoulder back in.

And it was so fast. And I was like, oh, so that's what that's like. Because Marcelo was so nice. He was like, you can give more pressure, more pressure. He was like, because I was always, you never want to hurt the black belt. Even though there's no chance, I mean, you could hurt him, but you're not going to beat him. But you don't want to go aggro on him.

Yeah, because these guys, people want to take their head off. Yeah. You know what I mean? And so you don't want to be that, but Lecce was just super nice, but popped my shoulder out in 12 seconds just posting. There's a lot of guys that are like that. They roll hard, or they don't roll at all, you know? I don't even know that it was hard.

I think it was so swift from, you know, the timer went off. Right. And it was the basic. He was sitting, and he just grabbed the collar, and just boom, just pulled. That's it. And I guess you're kind of expecting maybe he'll go Toriondo, maybe he'll go leg drag and we'll no. Boom. Old school

collar yank and I just posted and felt it. Did you find anything on Bruce Lee? I started looking it up. It's a bunch of like forum posts and whatnot. I found one blog post that has like the annotated thing and it sort of shows a quote from it and then says where the quote was from. Oh, okay.

Yeah, it's not like the best. All right. Well, I hope I'm not wrong because this is what somebody who I know and respect very well told me and then I remember reading it somewhere. But again, it doesn't take anything away from how I feel about Bruce Lee. I think he's very important in the history of martial arts, maybe one of the most important figures ever outside of Hoist Gracie and Elio Gracie. It's one of those things where the truth is enough, and you wonder why

people feel like the truth isn't enough about Bruce. You don't even embellish it. Hero worship. That means that it was a slightly racist caricature of you as Bruce Lee. In hindsight, I can see how people might take it wrong. Did you put tape on your eyes? No, we did do that once, though, because we did him doing the Mickey Rooney Breakfast at Tiffany's.

People were like, this is so racist. We're like, he's literally just doing Mickey Rooney Breakfast at Tiffany's. And so people were like, this is so racist. We're like, he's literally just doing Mickey Rooney Breakfast at Tiffany's. What do you think? Mickey Rooney's a white guy. What the fuck's wrong with you? You never saw that, though? No, I have seen it. Oh, my God.

So racist. It's hilarious, though. Yeah. Well, how about when they used to have the guy play Charlie Chan? He was the whitest motherfucker that's ever lived. He's playing a six-foot-three white guy playing a Chinese detective. They wouldn't let Chinese people act back then. If you were in a major role,

like the star of a movie, you had to be a white guy. Have you seen the new Spider-Man, though? Yeah. No. I wonder if that's something we should... Can you ask questions? Can we address the elephant in the room? It's pretty clear that often Asians are not the best actors. Oh, you son of a bitch!

Come on. I don't care. I'll stand by it a bitch. Come on. Son of a bitch. I don't care. I'll stand by it. Yeah, well, you never watched any Asia Carrera's movies. That's why back in the 90s, they just said, put Dean Cain in there, call it a day. He's got enough. What about Lucy Tai?

She did some great work. She's a porno star. Oh, okay. Son of a bitch. See, now, I don't know who that's more embarrassing to. Me or you? Yeah. Definitely you. I don't know who that's more embarrassing to. Me or you? Yeah, definitely you. It doesn't bother me at all.

It's only embarrassing if it embarrasses you. Have you ever had Dean Cain on the show, by the way? No, no, I'd love to have him on the show. Oh, my God. Have you ever watched his Princeton highlight? He set three, like, All-American records. Really? Yeah, in football.

He's only, like, 5'11". Ton of Princeton records. Yeah, ton of Princeton records. I met him once. I met him once at something super smart dude he did something with Joey Diaz

he did a series he did those movies like the dog who saves Christmas oh yeah all the Hallmark movies love those fucking movies yeah

Joey says he's a great guy super nice guy very smart good looking to the point of being aggravated uncomfortable right look at that fucking face look at that

handsome look at him look at his Princeton highlight if you YouTube Dean Cain highlight He's got an advantage in some of these photos Be next to Joey Only guy that played Superman that didn't get like something really wrong happened to him right there was like a Superman curse and George Reeves It was the Reeves

Just turned out to suck. Yeah, just turned out he's George Reeves and Christopher Reeves maybe it was the Reeves what was the curse with Brandon Routh just turned out to suck yeah it just turned out he stuck me into Brandon Routh when did that happen that was the one with Kevin Spacey

it's Lex Luthor remember that was the reboot no I was gone by then I left the franchise yeah I wasn't paying attention was it Henry Cavill now

like when you get to the third different Spider-Man I'm out yeah I'm kind of done with superhero films now for a while. There's something

really interesting. I'll still go see anything with the Hulk. Oh, really? They haven't done one in a while. It's been a long time. I love when he fucking

freaks out, but now Mark Ruffalo, who's like super social justice warrior is the Hulk. I can't do it. You separate the art from the artist,

but I'm like, that's just that Bernie prick. I can't do this. He's also a conspiracy theorist too, which is weird. He's like a socialist and he's like a conspiracy like you know

well Mark Ruffalo I don't want to speak out of school but I think he has a brain tumor doesn't jerk I might be making just a man with a brain tumor all of us Mark Ruffalo has brain cancer we've all got a lot of Mark I'm sorry I love you as well as your eyes true you know what he talks about his, he talks about his brother's murder and his brain tumor. Oh, see? There you go. He's got a brain tumor. You asshole.

No, not me. I didn't know. You knew when you started it. You knew when you went there anyway. Mark Leoflow opens up about, yeah, he's got a brain tumor. So maybe that's where the conspiracy theories are all coming from. What conspiracy theories? I don't know.

I remember him, he was somewhere and it was like, you know, I couldn't tell you. I wouldn't want to speak out of turn, but I remember being surprised because I knew he was far left. It was kind of like big brother government. That's weird for you to think big brother's watching but want a bigger big brother. Alright. Right. Right. Yeah. That's the problem, right? They think... 9-11 truth or...

Oh, is it truth? Is that one of them? Oh, Mark. Marky Mark. Yeah. It's another one of them oh mark marky mark yeah it's another one of those things it's like you look at it after the fact and you go look at all these connections like okay maybe maybe just chaos and two guys flew planes into or a bunch of guys flew planes into buildings well the problem is i think they're capitalizing what we were talking about right which is real no one wanted to cover the antifa issue no one wants to no one wants to talk about the puberty blockers to kids and this being considered hate speech. It's true.

There is a media cover-up of a lot of information. Certainly, I would say, instead of a cover-up, there is a monopoly on informational distribution, right? That's real. That's real. And people, when you find that out, it kind of opens your eyes. You're going, okay, what else don't I know? So people take that and then try and capitalize on it with lies.

Which is, you didn't know Jay-Z's in the Illuminati, 9-11's an inside job, and it just goes on because there's some truth to it, but the problem is you want to get people searching, but truth has to be at the center. Some people who run your post office orchestrated the biggest terror attack on America's soil.

I think there's unquestionably, there was some taking advantage of the events in order to pass policy that wasn't passable before. The Patriot Act. Yeah, the Patriot Act was drafted long before 9-11. They pushed it through. And then there's a lot that I think you could attribute to them taking advantage of this tragedy.

But the idea that they orchestrated it, man, that's just, it doesn't, it doesn't jive. The burden of proof is on them, too, to say that. Well, I think they did. You see loose change? You know, there's a lot of people that believe. What I find crazy about that is that, you know, this crazy corrupt government, the 9-11 Commission report, okay, George Bush, like a Mark Ruffalo. But then you look at the drone strikes with Barack Obama.

It's like, all of a sudden, where's code? All of this goes away? There's one that's consistent. Now, I don't hate George Bush. I know I'm probably in the minority here. I don't think he was a great president. I don't think he's as bad as a lot of people, you know, Green Day thinks he was. I don't think he was a great president.

But the point is, I don't want George Bush to have unfettered power, nor Barack Obama, nor Donald Trump. It's not selective. I don't trust any of them. Yeah, Mike Baker, who used to be in the CIA, told me that those drone strikes, those are designed or rather dictated by lawyers. Like what gets passed and what gets passed through, it's lawyers. Lawyers make the final decision.

Yeah, I was like, really? He's like, yeah, it's lawyers. They decide, like, hey, how many people are in this building that are friendlies? So a bunch of Jews and Asians decide who's living and dying over there. like, really? He's like, yeah, it's lawyers. They decide, like, hey, you know, how many people are in this building that are friendlies? So a bunch of Jews and Asians decide who's living and dying over there. Wait, what? What? Son of a bitch. First it was Bruce Lee, now it's the Asians and the Jews together.

Well, you know, they do cooperate. Statistically speaking. Boys, I've got to end this. We've got to end this. It's a little bit past 12. I've got to get out of here. Or a little bit past 4, rather. I've got to get out of here. Can I get out past 4, rather. I've got to get out of here.

Thank you so much, man. Thank you. And listen, thanks for these videos you guys do. They're funny. They're informative. And I think especially that transgender one, that really freaked me out. I think a lot of stuff you guys do is very important. Glad we could help.

And a lot of it is just ridiculous. But keep that up, too. That's what we do. Thanks, Jared. All right. Not Gay Jared on Twitter. And, of course, you're S. Crowder on Twitter, right? All right.

Bye, everybody. Thanks. Thank you.