The Joe Rogan Experience - #1088 - Bryan Callen

Episode Date: March 6, 2018

Bryan Callen is an actor and stand-up comedian, and together with Brendan Schaub he also hosts “The Fighter & The Kid” podcast available on Spotify.

Thin nose. Not anymore. It behooved me. Yeah, have you ever looked at like Abe Vigoda's ears? Yeah, they were big. The ears and the nose grow. They keep growing. Yeah, age is a very annoying thing.

Well, that's a weird one. It's almost like to let someone know, like, hey, look at these guys' proportions are all fucked up. He's got bad juice. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. So how do I reduce?

I wanted to get an ear reduction and a nose sharpening. I'm sure people have done that. I could only imagine. Well, Bruce Jenner. Well, girl, that's a different one. You know what I'm saying? Look at the big ass crazy ears. Look at the hair in his ears.

Abe. Hey, he's not 12. Shave those ears. Yeah, I've got hair growing out of my ears. I have to put a trimmer. Well, I'm vain. I pluck my, yeah. If I see hair that doesn't belong somewhere, I'll take it out. Go wax it. My father lets his nose hair grow, his eyebrows.

Savage. I'm looking into your nose. It's a nest. Do you really call your father bro? Yeah, sometimes. I get so mad at him because the way he eats sometimes. Like we were in Mexico and he would just show up. He'd go to breakfast. He has this belly and he's got like, he's got four French toasts and a waffle and a banana.

And I'm just sitting there and I get so mad. And then I started texting him. I text him. I go, listen, man, you got to start changing the way you eat. And I go, and I'm angry as I'm texting this. I'm getting more angry, more angry. So stop the bullshit and start eating. I was so angry.

I had to tell him that I'm getting, my heart was beating. I was furious. I couldn't have text faster. I go, get it together. Get it together and stop eating bullshit. And would it kill you to fucking move a little bit? Bang. And I just sent that.

Whoa. Yeah. Strong. I don't want him to die. Does he exercise at all? Fuck no. And I'll tell you why. When he was young, he was poor and he had to do manual labor.

He had to work construction. He had to do everything with his hands. So now that he has money, it reminds him of when – you ask him to do shit. If you ask him to help you with a table, it reminds him of when he was poor and how awful it was. I was reading a book once on powerlifting, and one of the things they suggested is getting a manual labor job. That's – when you have to move furniture? Yeah. Okay, when you've got to carry couches upstairs yeah yeah that i never saw that i never saw anybody actually recommend that someone do that

in order to get stronger well when you um my friend who wrestled and played football on a high level they used to work the farm and they would there was a thing where you would take hay and you would you'd run after the truck and truck stop you take the hay and you throw it off i guess you'd just doing that oh yeah i mean you know you get crazy strong i work construction one summer in uh in washington dc in the 95 degree heat and i had to dig a foundation for a building for a house just dig into the ground all day and then we had And I had to dig a foundation for a building, for a house, just dig into the ground all day. And then we had to, we had to demolish a house and take that debris, put it into a truck

and then drive it to a landfill called Lawton, I think. And then we would, we'd take it off the truck. So that movement of digging and then like demolition and digging and piling it in a truck and then piling it off a truck, you're too exhausted to do a goddamn thing. You're not working out after that. Your body is done. If you do work out and you get used to it, though, I think that's the idea is that your body becomes way more resilient. That's what he was saying. If you could get a job like as a mason or some sort of manual labor on a construction site where you're carrying lumber, you'd just be lifting things up, carrying around all the time.

Your body would just naturally get stronger. The strongest guy I've ever felt in my life in jiu-jitsu was a Mexican guy who was a mason. Oh, yeah, man. I couldn't move bricks. I couldn't believe how his – nothing worked on him. Just imagine picking up bricks all day long, carrying bricks. Everything would just get stronger. Yeah.

I worked with a guy named Boo Jack in D.C. Boo Jack. Whoa. Giant black guy who was amazing. Is that two words or one word? Just called himself Boo Jack. I called him Boo. And he'd go, Boo Jack!

That was probably his one name, right? Yep. Do you think it was his last name or his first name? I think it was his whole name, Boo Jack. Really? Great name. So a superhero or something? He should be a superhero.

Just a giant, very, very friendly, jolly black man with the biggest, strongest hands I've ever seen. He was a mason. Speaking of big, jolly black man

with one name, I met Sinbad the other day. I never met Sinbad before. Good guy, right? Met him in a parking lot. Our cars were right next to each other. Fully random. Just fully random.

I'm like, what's up, man? Was he wearing a dangly earring? I didn't check. Was he dressed in a colorful manner? No, he was very understated. He seemed completely normal. I don't remember what he was wearing.

He might be wearing what you're wearing right now. He always struck me as a nice dude. Very, very nice guy. Very nice guy. Sweetheart. What's he doing now? Doing stand-up still. Touring.

Yeah. You know? Still got an audience. Oh, yeah. What's he doing now? Doing stand-up still. Touring. Yeah. You know. Still got an audience. Oh, yeah. He's a funny dude, man. Apparently he was really funny on Kill Tony. They did a Kill Tony episode and Sinbad sat in as one of the guest judges. Yeah.

You know, they have a new guest judge every week. And they said he was killer. Yeah, dudes have been doing it for that long. They've got some tricks up their sleeve. Don't be surprised. He's a real comic. He's been around forever. Been communicating been doing it for that long. They've got some tricks up their sleeve. And he's a real comic. He's a real comic. He's been around forever. Been communicating with an audience for a long time.

But it was just nice to meet him and see that he's a nice guy. You know? That was nice. You ever met anybody who was not so nice? If I did... That's the wrong way to actually phrase it. Maybe five years ago I would have told you. Yeah.

But now I'm like, why? Why bring heat on someone from some weird moment that I probably could have done myself if I was. So true. If you run into someone, you're in the wrong head space. Maybe you just got done. Someone yelled at you. Maybe you have a business deal that went bad. Maybe you got cut off on the highway.

You never know when you're running into people. It's just we vary so much. We would like to encourage each other to be on a good track all the time, but I think we need a little bit more forgiveness when someone does something stupid. I'm going to call my next special, I think, Bipolar Ape, because that is what we are. We are, man. And if you stop and you freeze frame on somebody when they're having a moment, you can catch them in any like that whole spectrum the human spectrum sinner and saint and anything in between yeah

you can catch them in a terrible moment or a great moment but you can't decide that that's what they are all the time and that's what we're doing now let's be funny too that we quantify certain things that are just dumb like there's certain things you just never you're just not gonna bounce back from the Rachel Dolezal thing when she pretended she black, but she really isn't black. That's a little too much. You know what I'm saying? But there's like those things where it becomes a nationwide thing.

And I bet she's a lovely lady. I don't know. I have no idea. That might be empathy gone wild, or that might be sort of this, I think a lot of times everybody wants to be an individual. That's always been a problem with the human condition, right? You want to be unique. We all do, right? Yeah. Even though we all believe in, right? You want to be unique. We all do, right?

Even though we all believe in equality, we all want to be not equal. We want to be a little better than the next guy or at least unique. And that's maybe where competition comes from and stuff. But I think sometimes people negotiate that issue and that problem with a very clumsy apparatus, with a really weird way of doing it. with a very clumsy apparatus with a really weird way of doing it i'm gonna be transracial or i'm gonna i'm gonna wear dishes in my ears and and and literally cover my whole face with tattoos that's fine super common there might yeah there might be a better way to negotiate that that problem you're having because it's a it's still pretty surface you ever look at the hashtag face tattoo on instagram no holy shit there's a lot of people

getting their face tattooed yeah like it's like what slow down yeah slow down it goes back to wanting to be seen well i think what you're saying makes a lot of sense in terms of like people wanting to belong to a group that seems cool and like black people seem like overall a cool group right like you have good music behind it. They have a funny way of talking. They have all these amazing pro athletes. They have a totally different kind of culture. And you identify with that culture, but you can't get in because you're a white girl.

You're like, shit, what do I do? It's also something, I think also there's a romance to when you're on the outside looking in. It's struggle. Oh, yeah. And having been oppressed and all those things, and yet yet you triumph yet you find a way to be funny yet you find a way to be colorful yet you find a way to be uh artistic um you know yes i mean rap came from from from the south bronx while it was literally on fire yeah and rap is just one aspect of it right i mean think about it some of the very best stand-up comedians, some of the very best musicians.

Jazz, dude. Yeah. And you think of the percentage of the population that's black. 12%. The percentage that become elite professional athletes. I mean, what is the percentage of NBA players that are black? It's something crazy. A lot of it's also just...

What is it, you think? I don't know, but it's pretty high. I mean, there's... 69%? Probably. Probably something like that. I don't know, but it's pretty high. I mean, there's... 69%? Probably. Probably something like that. I don't know why I said that number. Jamie, what are you...

A lot of it might be just also that there are two avenues open to you in a lot of black communities. At least it's changing, but it was sports and music, right? Yeah, for sure. That probably plays a part in it. No doubt about it. But it's also... There's an extraordinary number of professional athletes, like elite athletes, that just happen to be black.

And what is that, though? Is it genetic? Is it the environment they're coming from? I mean, it's a fascinating thing to be explored because for all this talk of racism, if you just want to be really honest, there's a lot of African Americans that have some pretty phenomenal genetic traits, like fit, like Carl, like think of like,

who's like Jamie, who's like the biggest freak all time, uh, athlete basketball player. Would it be probably LeBron James, LeBron James? Probably. Right.

Yeah. And then you have like Michael Jordan is another freakBron James. LeBron James, probably, right? Yeah. And then you have, like, Michael Jordan who's another freak athlete, right? I mean, how many of those are white guys? Vince Carter. How many white guys are like that? It's tough because people would argue, like, Larry Bird. Larry Bird was a phenomenal shooter,

but he wasn't the kind of freak athlete LeBron is. Or Dr. J. Or Jordan when Jordan used to literally fly through the air. There are a couple guys that can do things like that, but they don't have the overall skill package or whatever. Well, so if you look at – there's a book called The Sports Gene that talks about this. And if you look at Africa, it's probably the most genetically – is the most genetically diverse part of the world, right? I mean, the Africans from the Biafra coast are totally different than the Africans from, say, the highlands of Kenya or Ethiopia. The Africans from the Sudan, the Dinka, and the Nua tend to be almost seven, six sometimes.

Certainly seven feet is not that uncommon. And many people don't realize Egypt's a part of Africa. Very much so. I mean, the Tunisia, Moroccoco that's more arabic right um uh then you've got i mean it's fascinating this is really it was fascinating let's go to ethiopia ethiopia they grow to an average height uh beautiful people there's a lot of trade in that side of the world the eritrea they're they've been renowned for their beauty if you just step over the border just just go right to just one south or one north, you are going into Sudan or the South Sudan, tallest people in the world, tallest people in the world.

I mean, some of them can be like a fist off of eight feet. That's where like Manute Bol and those people came from, okay? If you go just another country, just one more country east, now you're in the Congo, and that's home to the pygmy. So you got the shortest people in the world in one country, and then just cross the border and you have the tallest in the Congo and that's home to the pygmy. So you got the shortest people in the world in one country and then just cross the border and you have the tallest in the world in that country. So Africa is insanely diverse.

But if you look at the athletes with the most explosive power, and if you like that, that includes the fastest people in the world who are in Jamaica and who are in the United States. Genetically, you can trace them back to a very, primarily you can trace them back to a very small part of Africa, according to this book, the sports gene, which is the Biafra coast. And so that is where that's where you'll see the fastest, most explosive people.

However, having said that, you can hear Deion Sanders talking, watching this white running back, 215 pounds. He ran a 43540. And he was like, I can't say this on TV, but he can run, run. He can run, run. And it was true. It was like you haven't seen a white guy run a 4'3", 5' in forever. Yeah, it's pretty rare. I mean, there's got to be some Viking genes floating around.

Sure, but there's no, I don't think there's any black cornerbacks in the NFL. I mean, white cornerbacks. It's just fascinating when you stop and think about just the sheer number of people involved in professional athletics. The sheer number of people that make a living playing a game with

their body. Yeah, but I don't know if that kind of athleticism helps you become a champion in tennis. You know, it depends on the sport. It's sport-specific, right? Well, I mean, first of all, black people historically have not been in tennis. It depends on the sport. It's sport-specific, right? Well, I mean, first of all, black people historically have not been into tennis. Because they didn't have money. It's a rich man's sport.

Arthur Ashe was obviously a tennis champion. Phoenix Williams, Serena Williams. Yeah, but Arthur Ashe was way before their time, right? So he was the groundbreaker. But now I'm sure a lot of kids are growing up in nice communities. They have tennis clubs and stuff like that, African-American kids. But it's less a lot of kids are growing up in nice communities. They have tennis clubs and stuff like that, African-American kids. But it's less a thing of that culture than a thing like there's not a lot of

Italian-American tennis players either. You know what I'm saying? Like my people don't play tennis. They don't get into tennis. It's not an economic thing. It's just a cultural thing. Golf is the same way. Yeah, so when you see all these like world-class tennis players,

it just happened to be of the rich upper crust. Well, you need need a coach you need a lot of stuff with tennis you know it's a lot going on in tennis yeah plus nobody gives a shit until you're really good you know like if you're kind of like if you have a chance oh he plays a you know semi-pro ball right for oh maybe he'll get into the big leagues you know but you don't if you're like i'm a semi-pro tennis player get a fucking job bitch right what are you doing you're like, I'm a semi-pro tennis player, get a fucking job, bitch. Right. What are you doing? You're playing tennis?

It takes a long time. I used to know this dude who was a professional racquetball player, and that was the grindiest of all grinds. Because when I was 19, I recognized, like, oh, no, this dude done painted himself into a corner. He's like a world champion. It's something nobody gives a fuck about. I know, nobody cares.

Dude, nobody cared. And people would, like, treat him like, oh, poor guy. That was part of it. It was like, he's awesome, but poor guy. I feel that way when I watch the biathlon in the Olympics and shit, or curling, or any of those sports. Well, curling is, don't talk shit about curling in Newfoundland. If you go up there in Canada, they get fucking angry at you. I don't give a fuck.

They get mad. Also, I don't care that you replayed the curling move in slow motion. I didn't miss it in regular motion. You know? There's just certain sports I don't... I think their skills are not sports. How do racists

deal with the fact that there's so many elite black athletes? What is a racist look at it? How do you see white superiority in that many i know i know how i've heard i've heard guys in new york white guys would always say this about about i'd hear white dudes in new york talk about black and white athletes like this they'd be like well he's a brother so obviously he's going to be faster and stronger but this kid over here has got heart

and he's got smarts. So the white guy's apparently got heart, he had brain, whereas the black guy only has muscle. It was a clear indication that you're just, it was such a racist kind of way of delineating, you know? Well, it's also delusional because people want to assume that because someone has physical attributes, they don't have mental attributes. They always want to say that.

And sometimes it's true because sometimes when you have physical attributes Life is easier for you and you get soft Yeah You don't have to work as hard like one of the more impressive guys in the UFC for me has always been Frankie Edgar Because that guy's just a product of hard work. He's never been a knockout puncher He's not the biggest guy's always in small for whatever division He's in and if you're small 55 and he's pretty small at 45 in comparison to some guys like Ortega we fought this weekend. Brian's much bigger than him, taller, longer.

He's just all heart and will and toughness, and I love that. And I think that's an admirable thing, and I think you can get a lot out of watching a guy like that. But it doesn't mean that a guy can't have that mindset and also have some fucking Ray Lewis body. Well, Michael Jordan was the example of that. Nobody, and Kobe Bryant was the same way. Nobody works harder. That's why they love to win in an almost psychotic way. Yeah, extreme winners are that way.

Yeah, that whole thing, that extreme winners, is why we're here, folks. It's why it's so compelling. I mean, you had to have some ungodly resolve to get through the Mongol era and the fucking caveman era, and think about

all the different shit that's happened in between. Just think about the people that colonized this country. We were so far removed from people who lived here and rode wagons across the country just 200 years ago. That's nothing that just happened. They did this study. Camille Paglia was talking about this.

Why were most of the people that revolutionized the human condition male? Like, so in other words, the printing press and Einstein and Copernicus and Galileo and Kepler and you know all these people that kind of like you know and and why why so few women and so a lot of academic circles will the only single variable answer is that women were kept down by the patriarchy or whatever it might be very condescending though if you think about it because that would suggest that women didn't find their way through the cracks some of them did but for the most part and there's some truth to that but for the most part, and there's some truth to that, but for the most part,

there's another really interesting theory that men and women tend to have two different kinds of brains. We've evolved to have two different brains because women have to watch out for children and pay attention to the minutiae and keep them away from death, whereas men have the kind of brain that can obsess over just one thing,

even if it doesn't really bear any relation to the material world. So they can think about whether time bends or whether the relationship between time and matter and space, you know. And they'll just zero in on that problem and obsess over that problem. And you have those extreme winners

that literally, to the exclusion of everything else, including their family, including, you know, other people, focused on just one thing. But in a lot of ways, thank God we had that aberration because that is what revolutionizes. That is what changes a lot about how we live. There are little explosions that make this thing move quicker. Yeah. They're the combustion inside the engine that is human civilization.

Every now and then you get someone that just is an outlier. Some Elon Musk character is drilling holes under Los Angeles and building fucking power stations for solar power for people's houses. Making fucking cars and shooting rockets into space. And everybody goes, it's never going to work. It's never going to work. It's never going to work. He's like, shut up. He's just so much smarter.

We let him drill under the city. We're like, go ahead. You know what you're doing. Everybody just lets him do it. Can you imagine if a regular person wanted to drill underneath the cities and make tubes and put to the really that's the dumbest idea ever you're gonna drop down a car is going to go on a train and the train is going to go really fast with the car underground shut the fuck up you should have this guy andrew keen on your podcast i interviewed him

he wrote a book called how to fix the future and uh also a book called the internet's not the answer and and another book called the call to the amateur and uh kind of book called the internet's not the answer and and another book called the call to the amateur and uh kind of likens in the call to the amateur he likens uh you know the infinite monkey metaphor you ever heard that yes yeah it's great so if you had an infinite number of monkeys just banging away at a typewriter eventually one of them would would type out a masterpiece like a shakespearean play or something just randomly just randomly yeah imagine if that was real yeah the and it would and mathematically you can prove it. I get it mathematically, but I still call bullshit, right? It doesn't make any sense. Yeah, like what are the odds that just randomly this monkey?

On just accident put the periods in the right place and the spaces in the right place and the commas in the right place No, yeah, no, it's impossible. No, it is part of the law of chance. I think that law of chance can suck a fat dick. I don't buy it. I don't buy it. I've heard it before by people far smarter than me. And I'm like, no, no, there's zero chance.

But you know, this raises an amazing question, right? What's amazing is it's like human beings can actually reach beyond that which they can measure human beings so it's not just what you can see and measure it's actually what you can imagine and what you can imagine actually is real it's a part of reality right so infinity and all that shit yeah yeah but he said that these infinite monkeys that's basically what youtube and what the internet has ushered in right right? But long story short, when you're talking about Elon Musk, he was talking about how in his book, How to Fix the Future, the nine tech billionaires, of the nine tech billionaires, they own more wealth than 1.8 billion people on

this planet. We've actually never seen this kind of concentration of wealth. Luckily, guys like Jeff Bezos, who he knows really well, and these other guys like Mark Zuckerberg, are kind of aware, they have some historical perspective of where they stand. And for the most part, they're doing their best to try to figure out a way to be responsible with this wealth. There's also the fact that they're coming from a tech background, which has historically been really fucking smart people. Right? Those are the innovators.

So because of that, they're more left-leaning. Yeah. Which is probably better for everybody. Because they're more cooperative or what? It's just the whole tech community is more left-leaning. Yeah. I mean, that's why anything that deviates from that is kind of punished. Well, the problem, though, is that now you have the four riders of the apocalypse, Google,

Facebook, Amazon, and Apple. There's so much. I mean, the amount of, they have access to all your data and to the maps. So it does kind of go, you kind of go, okay, you're left leaning, but there has never been this kind of concentration of power. Well, yeah, but they're not doing anything with the power that we know of. What they do have is tremendous wealth, like off the charts tremendous wealth at Apple, at Google. I mean, they just have tremendous amount of influence.

And I think when you have that kind of money, like idealistic hippie left-wing dreamers are way better off like throwing that money around than really gangster globalists that are pro-war, really enthusiastic about right-wing politics. That would be way scarier. If all that money, the billions of dollars, was in a Christian cult that thought that the second coming was going to happen in Jerusalem, so it was very important to protect Israel, which is real. There's a lot of people in this country that want to protect Israel because they think that's where Jesus is.

That's his pit stop when he comes back. Yeah. Okay. I do worry about. Yeah, you should worry. I do worry about very religious people with a Messianic mission. Yeah, and that's a real thing today. So I think like secular, techno freaks, who I might disagree with them on some of the most ridiculous asks

uh the the ridiculous aspects of uh progressivism like they just go so far off the charts and it's so common now everyone is getting so hysterical about things you know christina hoff summers is i love her she's great she's got her she got literally shouted down off stage they interrupted her speech they put up signs They wouldn't let her talk. They were calling her a fascist. Boy, they sound really confident in their point of view, huh? It's just so crazy. But they don't engage somebody in ideas.

Shout them down because you're terrified. Well, what they're doing also is they're getting on YouTube. So there's all these videos of them, you know, being woke, hashtag woke, expressing their wokeness. I have heard that expression. Yeah, I know you have. Yeah. Just talking about it. Yeah. It's a gross word. I think heard that expression. Yeah, I know you have. Yeah, we were just talking about it.

Yeah. It's a gross word. I think it comes down to, what I'm amazed at is, I've talked to some of these far-left ideologues, you know, and especially the people that would shout down Christina Summers, who's such a reasoned voice and such an important voice. She's a sweet woman, too.

And smart and thought through. You've got to let her talk, and then if you disagree with her, have a conversation with her. They typically do a Q and a at the end of these speeches. That's just rude. Try to beat her with your ideas. And she's a feminist.

Her fucking podcast is called progressive factual feminist. That's what her, her thing is her video series that she does. Now she's an important voice. Very nice person, man. She's not an anti womanwoman in any way shape or form she's not the female uncle tom to say i've listened to her and she's she wrote that book the

war on boys she's excellent she's excellent but i think a lot of this is like one of the things i notice is that a lot of the left wing ideologues like that first of all are fairly young a lot of times they don't have a whole lot of experience in the world. Or, you know, they are people who are like, if you just take the average journalist, and I've met a lot of them now and talked to a lot of them, the average journalist, even the average academic in colleges or in the people that are kind of controlling this conversation in certain aspects, they have just not really ever met anybody or worked with anybody that worked with their hands, that spends a lot of time that had to be in the military, that they tend to be pretty cloistered. You know, I mean, even Sam Harris, by his own admission, said that in his Rolodex of

1100 people, he only had one friend who smoked, and that was Christopher Hitchens. That's significant. It's significant when you are exposed to one element of society. And one of the advantages that I think a comic has when you travel so much is that you're around real people, people that work with their hands, people that do other things that are in the military, People that are cops. People that are essentially a huge part of the fabric of this society. Who are on the right and certainly on the left. And what you start to realize is that the world is way more complicated. It's always the way it is, right? It's just way more complicated.

People are way less easy to pigeonhole. Just because you supported Trump doesn't necessarily mean you're a right winger across the board. Doesn't mean you're about the patriarchy and stuff. And I find that a lot of young people and I find a lot of people who are trying to be woke and stuff, and we do this as Americans. It's not just the left, it's also the right. We do this as Americans. We want to find a bad guy and we want to put a label on that bad guy. We want a single variable answer answer we want a single variable solution right so in other words you are a racist you are a sexist you are a homophobe so you got to be sanctioned and we

got to get rid of you and if we can get rid of racism as if racism has anything to do with it actually it's about tribalism because people don't need a difference in skin color to hate each other have you heard of the middle east or africa or even this country it's not about the melanin in your skin it's just we're tribal but we tend to want to find that one label you're a racist

you're a homophobe by the way you're having a moment most certainly racist of course there are we don't think racism is the problem that we're facing you think it's more of a tribalism issue oh I think that if everybody was the same color

we'd have no problem joining groups and hating each other no problem again please see the middle east that's for sure look look

in Yuval Harari's amazing book so racism is just a symptom of that fucking Yuval Harari's great book Sapiens

everybody should read it read it thank you on your recommendation. The Dinka and the Nua in the Sudan. Let's just take them. They look exactly the same. Just Google it.

Maybe you're just racist. Right. Maybe it's like saying all black people look exactly the same. Well, they do look. They are basically, the only way to tell the difference is the tribal markings. But for the most part, they look exactly the same. Very similar cultures, a herding culture. Dinka in the Dinka language means people.

Nua in the Nua language means original people. Whoa. And they're sworn enemies. They fucking hate each other. Talk to Justin Wren about, yeah. Talk to Justin Wren about how the pygmies are treated in the country right next door they're brutally discriminated they can't even go to hospitals or schools because they're short and they're magic apparently so go fuck yourself it ain't about color

we don't need color to hate each other we definitely don't we would find something it would be neighborhoods or lines in the dirt or sports teams. Fuck yes. We hate each other from neighboring high schools in the same town. Yes, or we compete with each other. Maybe it's a good natured competition. There's nothing wrong with that either. There's a natural need that we have to compete against each other and conquer each other,

and that's because we used to do that exclusively. That's how people move that's what this like viking show is all about people coming into people's villages fucking them up and taking all their gold and right just that's what people did forever fuck yes and but here's the other thing it's really taboo this is so fucking taboo even say this now what are you gonna risk something so so the narrative is those people aren't doing well let's just take any group of people right they're not doing well right because they've been there's only one answer to that they've been put down they've been oppressed

they've been suppressed yes sometimes that's true right nobody can tell me you don't understand the history of this country unless you studied the the black experience, at least a little bit. Because that is such a huge part of the history of this country. Sure. And to be a black person in this country is something I have no idea about. But it hasn't been easy, granted. Let's just take any ethnic group. If you were to ever, like Thomas Sowell, who's a black scholar, if you were ever to bring up the idea that maybe part of the problem in certain groups, okay, that aren't doing well, could be internal, could be of their own making, could be that there are certain aspects of that person's culture, whether they're Inuit, whether they're Mexican, whether they're black or whether they're a hillbilly white guy.

If you start talking about the fact that their culture and the way they, their beliefs, their practices could have something to do with why they're not getting ahead, you better be goddamn careful because now you're blaming the victim. It is true that, well, you're not really necessarily blaming the victim, right? Because a victim in this case is a person who's a part of a culture. And we're all influenced by our environment. And if you're involved in a culture that has very specific ways of behaving and you're supposed to engage in these,

and whether it's female genital mutilation that they do to children on a regular basis in some parts of the world, like why do they do that? Well, they've just been doing that. do to children on a regular basis in some parts of the world. Like, why do they do that? Well, they've just been doing that. That's what they've been doing. That's they just keep doing that. Like there's a lot of weird things that people just get sucked into. And then you don't even realize what you're doing. You're 18, you're living that life. Then it becomes a part of your pattern of behavior. And then on you're 35 and everyone around you is behaving the same way and the world's filled with violence and no one can hit the pause button and go, Hey, why are we macheting each other? Hootsies and the world's filled with violence and no one can hit the pause button and go

hey why are we macheting each other hootsies and tootsies like what are we doing like no one's like stop settle the fuck down it's like you get locked up in the momentum of your past of the past of your family your ancestors your community

your environment very few people have complete autonomy. So the idea that we're supposed to ask somebody to just figure it out or get their shit together or pull themselves up by their bootstraps, it's pretty preposterous. Fuck yeah. And it's usually coming from people that got a nice, juicy hand. Like life gave you a couple of aces, and you got a seven over there and a two,

and you try to figure out if you can get a flush. Yeah. Like you got a good hand. You got lucky. So if you say you made it with a good hand, like, oh, congratulations. You won the pot. You got dealt three aces, you cunt. You got lucky.

Exactly. I'll be the first to admit that. You should. You should be the first. I mean, that, you know, some people are born with more advantage than others. Just a better family. Well, just stop for a moment and I don't want to get too... I'm already too social justice warrior-y in this podcast, but this is one of the things that

pisses me off is that I agree with so many of those twats on so many important issues. And then they get so crazy that they want to interrupt people like Christina Hoff Summers and yell that she's a fascist and we just... We just... There's just too

much conflict. It doesn't make any sense today. They're not reasonable. How about that? They're not civil or reasonable. So I don't know where else to go. Like what, if you're not going to be reasonable and you're going to,

uh, decide that you're that right, that you are, that your side is rooted in truth and love and that, and my side is rooted in falsehood and evil and so all these progressive issues are all it's no no one is ever like super into women's rights but racist like they're all like yeah there's a pattern of behavior that you're supposed to follow yeah well you know like progressivism is like really it's a really interesting predetermined

pattern that everybody locks into because it's support gay marriage it's like all these things well you can yeah it's like it's like if you're if you're in favor, if you believe that global warming is caused by human beings, you've got to be in the right. You're on the left. You're on the left. You know where you stand on gay marriage, on everything else like that. That's unfortunate. You can't be sort of responsive to evidence. Right.

So is that being affiliated with a party or a candidate? Be affiliated with the problem. What's the problem? We all agree we don't like spree shooters right that sucks yes so there's got to be a way if we could put our ideas together create a little idea sex there's got to be a way right there's got to be a way to deal with this problem talk well can we talk about the fact that we all agree that the problem sucks now you're saying we need more guns and this other side saying we need less guns is there is there something is there something we can can we at least start talking instead because you know brendan on the podcast said can we agree there's a gun problem the

fucking number of hate emails we got you do not want to give up those guns and and yeah and and jim jeffries was so funny because he goes, and his pot, did you hear that stand-up? He goes, here's the argument, because I like them, so fuck off. And it's like, that's good enough. The Constitution says that guns, we have a right to bear arms so we can protect ourselves against a tyrannical government, right? I mean, that's with the Second Amendment.

Well, you know, he's like, the government has drones, right? They got tanks. They got cruise missiles. Your AR-15 ain't doing shit. Here's another problem. People need to understand this. The government is us, okay? Everybody that you just described

is someone who works in the military. Everyone you just described is someone who's a soldier. Those soldiers are civilians. They're the same people. They're people. They're us. We're not talking about

some global elites that's going to take over. They're not taking over with us right we are not going to take over ourselves yeah we're not this is not a stupid fucking country like the idea that somehow or another the military will start taking it what we have to be careful is people that have extreme power and shit judgment like that cop that shot that kid in the hallway in arizona and that that horrible video that's bad white guy shooting a white guy, too, by the way. I don't even know if that has anything to do with racism with a lot of what cops are doing.

I think some of it most certainly does, but I think a lot of it has to do with people who are just incompetent and they're police officers and they shouldn't be police officers. And on top of that, I think the stress of the job just breaks people's brains. I think sometimes people are just so out of their fucking mind with worrying about being shot

and dealing with trauma and dealing with violence and dealing with domestic abuse and fucking murdered kids and all the fucked up things they see every day. Their brains are frazzled, man, and they're stepping out into the street and then they confront somebody and they just want to fucking shoot.

They just want to shoot before they get shot. They're on a hair trigger, man. That shit happens in a couple seconds too, right? Sometimes and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes they plant a gun on the guy. I mean, sometimes it's absolutely a dirty cop. Right. You know, sometimes the guy's reaching for his wallet and they shoot him in the car with

his baby in the backseat. There's been a bunch of these things, man. And I think it boils down to more than anything, people that are fucking completely incompetent at being a police officer. What's amazing is the number of interactions where you never hear shit about. What's amazing is how many people get pulled over every day, how many people deal with a cop, how many people get questioned by a cop, how many people are in a situation where a cop has to talk to them about something that happened and nothing happens and nobody gets shot? It's overwhelming. The numbers of actual interactions where everything goes okay far outweigh the dirty cop that shoots the kid in the hallway. Of course. And the cop that plants the taser on the guy after he shoots him. All

these different things where there's a dirty guy There's that's just people the number of honorable police officers is actually pretty fucking stunningly positive Absolutely, if you really think about it that way And the number of cops that save lives or stop crimes from happening and all those things Protect people But you know human beings have this crazy brain right with this negativity bias where something like violence and stuff has such an effect on our brain Yeah, we're really good at seeing problems, but really bad at coming up with the solutions negativity bias where something like violence and stuff has such an effect on our brain. Yeah. Like we're, we're really good at seeing problems, but really bad at, at coming up with the solutions.

Like we tend to jump to, so if you, if there's a problem, if it's a very, if it's a very, like think about terrorism, right? It's, if people die and it's a very scary situation, far more people die of diabetes. Yeah. Far more people die of heart disease. Yeah. Far more people die of the way you're eating. Far more.

I mean, not even close. Far more people die from all the various pharmaceutical opiates that's exactly right i mean i can't how many people die of of aspirin some crazy number i think it's 10 000 it's crazy yeah but but those things are not as sexy but we we tend to react to the things that really scare us right yeah well violence yeah violence is what gets us, not disease. Dude, I know two people who have lost loved ones to the flu this year. Really? Yep. One of them was a 14-year-old girl.

Oh, my God. Yeah. The flu killed her. Jesus. Yeah. Dude, this flu is no fucking joke. I was down for two weeks. Dude, it's no joke.

I got it. I was down for a couple days because I caught it really early on. I knew it was happening, and I did nothing. I stayed home, and I ate real good, and I just slept all day. See, I didn't sleep, but I worked out. You can't. Those, the working out ones are the worst. Killed me.

I've had that happen before where I was thinking I was a little bit sick, and then I worked out, and it just gripped me. Got me. Two weeks. I've never been sick like that. I haven't been sick like that since college. I was real proud of sick, and then I worked out, and it just gripped me. Got me. Two weeks. I've never been sick like that. I haven't been sick since college. I was real proud of myself that I recognized it. I was like, something's going on here. I'm pretty in tune with when I'm feeling like a pussy, when I'm just lazy, and when my body

just feels off. And I'm like, my body feels off. And then I was like, oh my God, and then I was sweating. And I'd be sitting there. It was chilly, and then I'd be sweating. And I was like, okay, I'm just going to get under the covers and Netflix the fuck out of these couple of days. That's so good. Because I did that two days ago where everybody

in my family was sick. Everybody's getting cold. Everybody around was getting cold. It was eight hours. I'd been sleeping eight hours and I couldn't get out of bed. And I was like, I'm tired. I slept. I fucking slept for 11 hours. Felt tip-top. My body fought it. I was like, I'm not moving until I have to get out.

It's the move. And you got to have a healthy body, folks. This is the one thing that I got from this year. And it was only, like I said, I was really only fucked up for like two days. But one thing I got is how wonderful it is to be healthy. Yeah. I mean, we take this fucking thing for granted, this vitality. You take just feeling good like right now right now right

now i feel great yeah i feel great yeah me too i ate breakfast it worked out yeah i'm healthy hanging out with my friend yeah there are two things podcast there are two things they talk about like when you do aid to a country number one is this this fucking behavioral scientist named um he wrote a book called scarcity and his his name is L.R. Shafir and I did a podcast with him. And he studies like how humans behave when they don't have enough food in their stomach. Like most economists wrote their treatises

from a full stomach. Adam Smith, the father of capitalism, was also living with his mother when he wrote The Moral Sentiments of Man and The Wealth of Nations, okay? Whoa. So he was, what you don't hear is this funny economist. So he was like one of those internet marketing gurus that has like Ferraris that he rented.

Yes. In his mom's driveway. Well, you know, this woman, I was talking about the free market and I'm a free market guy and, you know, I'm a capitalist. And she said, that's great. And I've been inundated in the sort of the extreme Milton Friedman, F.A. Hayek kind of school of economics. But she was was like she wrote a thing called donut economics and she's out of oxford and i can't uh kate rayburn and she she said well you know what they don't tell you is

when adam smith was writing the wealth of nations the fucking handbook for all capitalists and free market guys like yourself is that his mother was like, Adam, dinner's almost ready. And I folded your laundry. What's that worth? What the fuck is that worth, dude? You know what I mean? So you got to take those things into account. It's so funny. My perspective on capitalism, I think, has always come from a full belly. Never been hungry. I was a wrestler, guys. I did have to suck a lot of weight. The point is, never been hungry. Never had to worry about where my next meal was coming from certainly never had to worry about a roof over my head that's a that's a big difference between even a guy like me and you like this you got it your your perspective is going to be different it's going to be dull has to be there's a level of

compassion i think that as a civilization we haven't hit we haven't hit the right number we're in this number where we don't give a fuck about each other enough. And I think that one of the ways that that could be solved is I've been thinking a lot about universal basic income. That if that was a possibility where you could give everybody just a small amount of money, like $12,000 a year, which is like $1, dollars a month. It's basically enough to get by But you wouldn't have to think about that then You wouldn't have to think about that aspect like you would always have food Like if we could make sure that everybody always had food and everybody always had a place to sleep What would that cost? What would it cost to eradicate homelessness to a point where if you were homeless? It was a total voluntary situation.

Either you're just a nomad who likes camping or you're mentally ill and you just need to sleep in a box because you think that's the only way that the aliens can't get you. There's those people like Skid Row. It's filled with those people, right? Crazy, crazy, yeah. What percentage of our cities have homeless people in them? Is it 3% of the cities homeless homeless one percent of the city in the warmer Climates it's higher right how would how how much of an impact would it be if you could just bring that down to zero?

I mean wouldn't that be Just great for the way people feel about other people well there are societies that do that right Singapore and certain Scandinavian I'm very hippie this podcast. This is strong weed. Well, no, I mean, but you're asking a really good question because they have done these experiments. $20 billion. That's it? The U.S. could end homelessness, sorry, with money used to buy Christmas decorations.

It would cost about $20 billion for the government to effectively eliminate homeless lists in the United States, a housing and urban development official told the New York Times Monday, December 11, 2012. So for what we spend, it's kind of the wrong question because like give a man a fish or feed a man and teach a man to fish, right? Yeah, it's a really tricky stat. You have to be careful with that. It's a weird question, but it's also one that no one's addressing. It's like you look at people who are homeless, you go, oh, you fucking bum. Get your shit together.

Oh, you lazy fuck. Or oh, you crazy person. Oh, he must be a junkie. Yeah, but so can I tell you, so my friend does this, works with homeless youth. And pretty extensively has done it for 20 years. And actually, what he'll tell you, and he's a very compassionate person, but he'll tell you that the system in this city of Los Angeles, there are a lot of resources for people on the street from places to get a computer, places to sleep, places to take a shower.

And what happens is there are a lot of people that get this network. They figure out where to go. And one of the things that they are talking about in this community and trying to get kids and homeless people off the street, it's one thing. It's a complicated issue. But what has been said, and it was shocking to me, was was they were like problem is the system is so easy to game it's so easy to you can live on the street and live you can you can and when you're a youth you can actually if you understand how to how to work the system there are so many resources that a lot of times it doesn't

lend itself to really needing to get out of a situation right yeah but how many of these kids are planning this out like this with a game in the system a lot of them it doesn't lend itself to really needing to get out of a situation right yeah but how many of these kids are planning this out like this with a game in the system a lot of really because you're a human being so you figure out where you can get your breakfast where you can get your shower where you can get your computer where you can get your hangout where you can get all these things somehow no that's hurting look i'm not saying look i'm not saying we shouldn't have these resources right i thought it was fascinating that a lot of the people that are really in the front lines and evolving in this are saying that the ironic and frustrating thing sometimes can be that it does create not complacency, but certainly there are

way more resources than you think. There are people that have worked very hard to address this problem. And people do, when they know where to go they do know where to get food they do know where to get a shower they do know where to do all right so they can live on the street there's there's many levels to this right first of all one of the big levels the inescapable is mental illness yeah those people there's a lot of people that are wandering around the street that really should probably be in some sort of an institution yes getting health care. Yes.

And medicated. Yes. But how do you force someone to do that? And is that the issue? Or is it a funding issue? You know, that was an issue apparently when Reagan was in office. They lowered the standard of what's cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs, and they just let a bunch of dudes just wander through the streets.

That actually wasn't, it was a little bit more complicated than that. I'm sure it was. it was at the state. The state doesn't have a right to keep you against your will if you don't want to be right. So, so there had to be very specific criteria for that. So, you know, this whole thing with gun control, like we need it to help mental health issue. Well, there's, if you talk to the psychiatrist, I'll be like, look, dude, the criteria for getting to, for saying, saying, and getting somebody essentially classified as a danger to society and like a real threat is very steep. It's hard to do.

You can't do that because somebody talks to themselves. You can't do it because they're hearing voices. Well, the FBI went to visit that kid two years ago. Right. The kid who shot up the school in Florida, and they decided he wasn't a threat. But he might not have been a threat two years ago. Right. The kid who shot up the school in Florida, and they decided he wasn't a threat. But he might not have been a threat two years ago. Right. People saying, oh, you know, they visited him two years ago.

They're incompetent. No, he might be a different person now. You have to realize that, like, people get way worse. Like, we've all known people that we knew at one point in time in our life, and then you don't see them for six years, and then you see them, and you're like, whoa. Well, that's because people evolve, and sometimes they evolve, and sometimes they don't see him for six years, and then you see him and you're like, whoa. Well, that's because people evolve, and sometimes they evolve, and sometimes they don't. Sometimes they recede.

Sometimes it gets ugly. Sometimes they go crazy. Weren't you talking about how, because 20% of boys in this fucking country are diagnosed with ADHD? Yes. 20%? Misdiagnosed.

Of course, because you have a doctor who spends 10 minutes with you who's not an expert on ADHD. It could be a thousand other things. I retweeted it. It could just be a boy. It was on Rhonda Patrick posted up the study. And then we're drugging them.

And did you know that ADHD was something that, wasn't that the one that was created? See, Google this too. Sorry. ADHD was the one that was created by the advertising agency. What a surprise. No way. There's been several conditions that were literally invented by advertising agencies in order to promote a cure. So it's attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.

Yeah. Look, I don't know how much of that is a real disease. Maybe some of it is. Maybe, I'm obviously not an expert, maybe some of it is a kid whose brain works different. Let me tell you something, man. My dog might have ADHD or whatever the fuck it is. I go to see him and he goes crazy.

He's out of his fucking mind because he thinks we're going running. He's running around in circles. He's hopping up and down. He bolts back and forth into the backyard. He's like a maniac. I can't control him. You know what the solution for that is? I take him running. He's hopping up and down. He bolts back and forth into the backyard. He's like a maniac. I can't control him. You know what the solution for that is?

I take him running. I don't lock him in a room and then drug him. That's what you're doing with little kids. You know when I was really focused? You know when I wasn't focused? Algebra. You know when I was really focused? If somebody started talking about fighting and how to throw a right hand.

Just think about what I'm saying with my dog. There's really something to that. That dog wanted to go run. If I forced him to sit into a room, he would go crazy. He would bark, and he wouldn't want to do that. That's how kids are. Exactly. It's the same goddamn thing.

There it is. The drugging of the American boy. But what was the tweet, Jamie? Is this an Esquire article? What did the tweet say? One in five boys will be diagnosed with ADHD by the time they make it to high school. To date, only one significant study has looked at ADHD misdiagnosis and found 20 to 25% of boys were misdiagnosed. And this was before ADHD was as common as it is now. So they're saying it's a real issue.

I know quite a few people that are drugging their kids. I think it's outrageous. My next-door neighbor, they put their fucking kid on Ritalin. There was nothing wrong with this kid. I talk to that kid all the next door neighbor, they put their fucking kid on Ritalin. There was nothing wrong with this kid. I talked to that kid all the time. It's fucked up.

It does some bad things to him. The kid just had too much energy and they didn't want to deal with it and they weren't paying attention to him. They worked all day and then the kid's

bouncing off the walls and no one wants to take care of the kid and so they put him on Ritalin. Awful. Dude, it's happening everywhere. It's happening all across America.

It has very bad side effects some of these drugs. Look at this. 6.4 million children between the ages of 4 and 17 have been diagnosed with ADHD. By high school, nearly 20% of all boys will have been diagnosed with ADHD, a 37% increase since 2003. My son is a classic example of a kid who doesn't like to sit still in rough houses. He's a boy. Google the origin of ADHD.

Schools have no time for it. Of course. They have no time for boy energy. No. You're condemned because it's aggressive. You're asking a boy to not be a boy. He's being told that his hands are hot lava and he can't use his hands. That's healthy.

Oh, my God. What kind of liberal school are you taking your fucking kid to? Public school. Public school. That's what happens. That's awful. This is what we're dealing with. Yeah. 1900, ADHD was first mentioned in 1902.

British pediatrician, so it must be a wrong one, a different one, described an abnormal defect of moral control in children. He found that some affected children could not control behavior the way a typical child would, but they were still intelligent. Maybe it was restless leg syndrome. Was that it? Didn't you tell me? I feel like that one might have been, but I don't know.

Damn it. Who was the guest? Do you remember the guest? It was a woman who was telling us all about this. Some medical expert. Was it Kelly Brogan? It might have been. Might have been Kelly Brogan.

Dr. Kelly Brogan? It might have been. Might have been Kelly Brogan. Dr. Kelly Brogan. But didn't you say, aren't there studies about school shooters and a lot of them were on SSRIs and stuff? Yes. Mass shooters. Not just school shooters. But like people shoot up. Even the Vegas guy. The Vegas guy was on anti-anxiety medication.

Wow. Yeah. That stuff and that's also Chris Cornell was on anti-anxiety medication yeah that stuff and that's also Chris Cornell's on anti-anxiety medication there's a lot of people who are on psych drugs who lose their fucking minds because psych drugs are not universal right like there's no thing like here's a perfect example say if you have there's a solution that makes alcohol 91 octane. Right? And you add something to that. And you can add some additives and it'll spike it up.

And you could try to find the right mixture. But that's just fucking gasoline. Right. You're throwing things in there and you're trying to mix it up. You don't know exactly what the right thing is. That's how they're doing your brain. Correct. When they're giving you these things. That's why they're doing your brain. Correct. When they're giving you these things. That's why they say,

try this one. There's not like, okay, you have one cup of flour, you need two eggs and one tablespoon of sugar. No, no, no, no, no. There's no specific recipe

and what the fuck does feel good mean? The other thing that they're not taking into account is that you might be depressed for a good reason. In other words, if you made me do a job I hated and I wasn't allowed to work out or I didn't know how to eat or a thousand things that make me feel good because I have to self-regulate. Yes. I'm 51 and I still have to self-regulate because otherwise, you know, I'll go crazy. If I didn't know how to do those things, I would probably be depressed.

Now, now you're going to give me drugs. Well, that's not going to help me because what I'm doing, my behavior is what it is. For sure. But here's what I think. You got to recognize that that kid, your son who has that energy, that's a gift. And what you're doing is you're making him squander that gift by sitting him down in a fucking chair and he wants to go crazy. That kid is supposed to be like my dog running around all day. Okay. My dog is a year old. That's seven. He's a seven year old dog, basically, you know, in dog years. And he's like a seven year old kid. He's running around. He's going fucking crazy, you know, but that's because he wants to run. Exactly. But once he runs, he's fine. Dog is the best. Yes. And your kid will be too. If your kid was involved in something where they emphasized physical movement

and then taught things in between workouts, taught things in between class, play a game outside, play a little dodgeball, play a little soccer, play a little basketball. Then after you wear yourself out a little, come sit down. We're going to teach you about math. Teach them about math. And then you're going to show them this is leverage. We're all going to pick things up.

Can you think of picking it up? Like, let them now pick it up with leverage. Oh, you see? You understand? You could teach kids in a very physical way instead of forcing them to sit down. Who the fuck wants to sit in that hard-ass chair where you feel other people's gum on the top of your leg? You know, it sucks. Yeah.

It sucks. You're sitting there waiting for the fucking class to be over. Stuck in some room. Let them get their energies out. Let them move around. Did I ever tell you that my acting teacher who looked at me one time is the greatest, and he goes, I don't have seen. He goes, you know what we got with you?

Got a little self-esteem problem. You think of yourself as a second banana. And I was like, what? He goes, yeah, you got to start believing in yourself more It's a nice coach. I'm sure you he goes you gotta start thinking yourself as a first banana Did he say this when he was in his underwear? He did he was I was wearing I was wearing I was wearing black Lace on it. He was put these black lace on these on there you go, and I'm gonna pierce your nipples now What's that? Why?

Why do you smell like a leopard seal? This is weird, so he says that to me, and I'm a young actor, and I'm fucked up over it. I'm like, I got to get better. I got to get higher self-esteem. So I say to my buddies, kind of a group of guys, one of my buddies older and wiser, and I said, man, I was told I have low self-esteem, you know?

And I heard a voice in the back over there goes, thank God. And I go, huh? And they go, you really think you'd be this funny if you fucking liked yourself, bro? And you think you'd be a fucking actor if you liked yourself? Go fuck yourself. That guy's an asshole. Keep hating yourself.

It's the best part of you. Maybe that's how that guy tanks men. Fuck, I know. I was like, you're right. I like that. The whole point, the whole thing that drives me is the fact that I've never been satisfied with myself and I'm never going to lose that. If you make me really happy with myself, I'm not so sure it's a good thing.

You know what you got to figure out how to do, I think, not you, but I think humans, to somehow or another disconnect you from the result. If you could figure out a way to disconnect you from the result, you could look at out a way to disconnect you from the result, you could look at it more objectively. You're going to feel a sting of failure. It's a fact, but you have to recognize what that is and intellectualize it. You got to put it in this little box.

Okay, this is good because now I'm going to be fucking pumped up to improve. I'm going to recognize the urgency and failure because it's so extremely uncomfortable, but that's not me. What me is, is the person who's doing this and I'm eventually going to be a finished product. I'm going to figure this out.

But right now, that little thing that happened that sucks, like, okay, don't freak out. Everybody fucks up. Maybe you fucked up this way, but you didn't run into someone's car. Maybe you did run into someone's car, but you didn't do this. Everybody's got their own little fuck up. Failure is a huge part of success. It's a giant part of being a human. You've got to understand

the consequences of doing something incorrectly. And especially the humiliation feeling of being put in your place. You might think you're good at something and then you fail at it. You go, oh my god. I got this elevated sense of how good I was at this thing. Now I have to look at it more objectively and I have to get to that place where I thought I was. Yeah. Just people don't want to work. Well, I had Andy Galpin. Have you had Andy Galpin? Yeah, he's great. Very smart guy.

Brilliant guy. I said, what's best for recovery? And he goes, why do you want to recover? I said, what do you mean? He goes, well, why don't you let your body adapt and figure it out? Just eat some food, see how it feels, but maybe suffer a little bit and see what that does because your body might have to compensate and get stronger as a result. Sure.

Kind of an interesting way of looking at it i was like i think there's definitely something to that i mean i think that's why people push right that's what pushing is it's forcing adaptation your body's going oh my god this asshole wants to deadlift now right okay i've got a i've got to adapt now that's also what the sauna is you got your body's trying to adapt okay this asshole wants to live at 170 degrees i have to figure out how to keep everything from shutting down. Let's mass produce these heat shock proteins and try to figure out how to get more epinephrine. It's also what being honest with somebody is, right? So it's also kind of like sitting and hearing things you don't want to hear about yourself, maybe shortcomings, right?

Sure, sure. maybe shortcomings right so when somebody says some somebody something to you like uh you're not taking yourself you're not working hard enough or you're not working correctly or you did this wrong or your ideas are a bit bankrupt let me tell you why yeah that shit is not fun at all to hear but it's exactly like working out if you could just sit and listen and take it in not argue it listen Take it in feel bad for a while. I promise you I promise you that that's probably the best way to change Listening and hearing it because it'll bother you let it bother you and then let that Spurn you to action But if you if you if you want to get if you want to shout Christina

Summers down or you want to get into your safe space and not hear those things because they hurt you, this is why they're categorizing. Yeah, but that's the only part of the problem. The real problem is a control power problem. There's control and power problems because these are 18-year-old kids and they've just gotten away from home for the first time and they want to exercise their power. They want to change the world. And they're fucking babies. They have half-baked brains and they want to yell shit out and they think that they're doing the right thing. They really do.

And they were yelling outside, we won't have fascists in our school. You see Jordan Peterson was doing a speech and they were literally at the windows. They climbed the walls and got to the windows and were banging on the windows from the outside while the speech went on. Dude, it's disturbing.

And everyone inside is super calm and there's people that keep an eye on the window because you hear it cracking like they're just smashing this fucking window just banging up against it the entire time he's talking you just hear bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang and they're yelling shit outside about fascism or it's like they don't even know what the fuck that means no they don't like they literally are just saying it for anybody who disagrees with them. When a real fascist comes along, they're going to be so duped.

They'll be shot. They'll be lined up against a wall and shot. That's what fascists do, real fascists. But they seem to think that disagreeing with people who are out of their fucking mind equates fascism. They have no confidence, right? So if you're having... Why is there that? Well, because if you're having an argument with somebody

and you end up hitting them because they're saying things you don't like, it means you don't have the ideas to compete with their ideas. You don't have a rebuttal. Well, I don't think it's that, dude. I think they're just young and they don't understand

what the fuck they're doing. They're enjoying this ability to scream out. It's like a tantrum. Yeah. They've got way too much power. They're children Yeah, they're essentially children. Yeah. Yeah, they could go to war some of them and yeah, they can but that's not right Anyway, they probably shouldn't be able to probably like 21 before you make that decision The whole thing's fucking crazy

It's crazy that they don't have enough security to keep the fucking kids from banging on the windows Right like what kind of nonsense facility do you run you just didn't see that coming you guys do you have the internet you guys have the internet it's kind of new it's kind of new though american culture is always it's been a few years no i'm saying american culture has always given like you know their kids recently too i mean jonathan and i talked about this like helicopter parenting and sort of the idea that your kid has his own autonomy and it's very important i i've i've seen all the new science on this i mean for sure your kid is your kid has to is allowed to exercise their point of view and have a tantrum and then you have to

show them that that that there are consequences for that you you know that's a new way of looking at you know a lot of cultures are like hey if you fucking talk to me like that again, I'm going to hit you in the fucking, I'm going to take this riding crop and whack your fucking legs or whatever it might be. So I don't know. Well, we've got it real soft right now. It's a real easy time to be alive. And I think ultimately the ship's going to bounce out. I really do. And I think ultimately a lot of these kids that are super radical now will probably stabilize as they get older and more experienced and be more embarrassed with some of the things

they've done to, especially to disrupt free speech. They should really be embarrassed by that because it's so foolish. Like you, all you have to do is formulate a really good argument to what that idea is. And then you play those ideas out in the court of public opinion. You do it in some sort of a way where you have one person representing one side, one person representing the other side, and you beat that idea with better ideas. And that's what you're supposed to do. That's the whole exercise. And these people that oppose your ideas, you should use that to challenge you to improve your ideas, to make your ideas undeniable. So that when you present that argument, you've looked at it from both sides. There's far too many people, including

these people that are interrupting people, that are only looking at an argument from the point of view that they would like to be correct. And they're only looking at it like, she's a fascist, she's a Nazi. They're not looking at it and going, hey, maybe that's just a lady. And maybe she's a nice lady. And maybe she's got some points. Maybe I agree with her. Maybe I don't. But you got to let her talk. This is all nonsense. Holding signs up and trying to get attention.

This is not the time for that. It doesn't persuade anybody over to your side, I'll tell you that much. They're not even trying to do that. They're just trying to recruit the troops. And then also they're trying

to send out a flag that they care and they're out here doing the right goddamn thing. Using my voice. I'm out here using my voice. Like, it's like, no, you're being a little kid that's interrupting another person's speech. Well, they're being tribal.

They're in their tribe. And it's way easier to be against something than to define what they're for. If you ever ask them what they're for, like, I had this conversation with this woman. Equality, bro. What's that? Equality. Well. With everything.

They don't know what that means. Including comedians. I want an equal number. Yeah. Do you see what happened with Burt? Yeah. Yeah. Someone wants an equal number. Yeah. Do you see what happened with Burt? Yeah. Yeah. Someone wants an equal number of comedians, men and women.

It's the dumbest shit I've ever heard in my life. Are you funny enough to be on the stage? Okay, then I don't give a fuck what you look like. I don't care if you're... Nobody wants to hear that. Yeah. Fuck you. Remember when Jerry Seinfeld got in trouble?

Because they were like, why is comedian Kars having coffee all white guys? Well, I don't know. But, you know, there are a lot of funny white guys, so fuck off. A lot of funny black guys, too. Well, that's what Jerry Seinfeld said. He said, essentially, I don't care what color they are. I speak the language of comedy. I care if they're funny.

Exactly. And they were like, that sounds racist. They're so dumb. They're so dumb. They're like, I'm so sorry, but that sounds racist. And you're dumb. And you're fucking dumb. What would you say, but that sounds racist. And you're dumb. And you're fucking dumb. What would you say if you were there and that lady said that?

Because there was a woman. Two guys are sitting, a guy and a girl are sitting there talking, and they play the Jerry Seinfeld clip. And then the woman, who is African-American, was like, I'm sorry, but that's racist. And I was sitting at home watching it going, how is it? He's the biggest comic in the world, and most of his audiences, most of his ticket payers are white. He's undeniable.

Most of the people that go to his movies are white. And he's earned it because he's fucking hilarious. Right, but that doesn't have anything to do with what she's saying is that he's racist because he's not having black people on his show. I don't know how to

argue with that. And he's saying, no, I don't even care. I just care, are they funny? I don't know how to argue with that. And he's saying, no, I don't even care. I just care, are they funny? I don't care. Diversity doesn't mean anything to me. I don't care. And she's like, that's so racist.

But I feel like when you say something's racist today, you don't have to back it up anymore. I agree. People just back off, especially if you're saying a white person's racist. If you say a white person's racist,

everybody pulls out the microphone, the magnifying glass. Wait a minute. What have we got here? Are we looking at a racist? But they'll also say this. You're racist and you don't even know it. Yeah, you're racist and you don't know it. You don't even know it. The white supremacy is everywhere.

Well, they teach that at schools now. They teach that also at some jobs. You have to go to bias training. Yeah, bias training. Anti-bias training. What do they call it? I to bias training. Yeah, bias training. Anti-bias training. What do they call it? I think it's anti-bias training. Subconscious bias training.

You might even realize you're racist and you are racist. How many black guys have gotten laid because of all this though? Hopefully a lot. A lot. A lot of hippie white chicks just want to show they're not racist. I love it. Just get your dick down. I mean, it's just... And I'm in the corner jerking off.

What? And crying. No! It's just weird, man. I've never seen us so divided. And part of it has to do with Trump, for sure. There's this reaction that they feel really obligated to act. People feel obligated to act and try to make things change, which I think is ultimately good.

All this thing, all of what's going on right now does not concern me nearly as much as it does a lot of other people. Because I feel like people are already reacting to it and already going, what in the fuck? And the ship is already starting to right itself. Well, the Oscars was the lowest rated, I think, in the history of know and and the the ship is already starting to right itself well the oscars was the lowest rated i think in the history of the oscars i heard that but it's also 26 million people watched that's a lot of fucking people that's a lot don't shit on someone who got 26 million no but i think i think people are we're afraid to be people get very kind of like whoa we're getting political here that's true but. But when they looked at the numbers, the numbers were they were comparing it to like 2013.

Yeah. They were down 5 million from 2013, I think it was. Guess what wasn't around 2013? Netflix! True. There's a lot more shit to watch. True. What's it down from last year?

There's definitely people that are bored with Hollywood, though. Like, enough. Well, Hollywood's overreach. I think Hollywood tends to be, what bothers me about Hollywood is their virtual virtue signaling like they're gonna set an example you fucking guys like you want to be liked okay and you're as fickle as it gets they were the same people that were standing up and clapping for Roman Polanski yeah I'm sorry man well some of them were some of them were really saying some ridiculous shit I mean come

on guys it's a long time ago. He drugged and sodomized a 13-year-old. I think he fucked more than one, too. Yeah. Yeah. So guess what? I can't have that guy. You're not getting.

They want to sign a petition and bring him back in the country. I can't forgive that. No. Stay in France. Well, they want to bring him back to the country to arrest him. And they're really trying hard to do that and there's people that resist that i think he's an amazing artist and you know artists are just different just be consistent though you know you can't insist

that's where i draw the line you can't drug kids and them in the ass i mean asia argento who was one of the one of the people that came out against harvey weinstein she had been raped by him apparently and then she had a sexual relationship for 10 years afterwards, which by the way, people like, ah, I actually forgive that because people go back to the trauma, right? They want to relive it on their own terms. But she signed the petition to, for, for Roman Polanski to, you know, to be freed when he was, uh, put under arrest in, I believe it was Switzerland. Now that's not consistent. I'm sorry, man. I'm sorry. But if that guy's just as bad as, yeah, you can see the petition online. What was her perspective?

She was somebody who thought Roman Polanski should not be prosecuted for something that happened a long time ago. She signed that petition. I would never sign that petition. So there's a lot of disconnect. So I have a big problem with that sort of disconnect. That's a problem. I don't know this woman. I don't know her. I believe what she says about Harvey Weinstein. And again, people are like, well, she went back to the scene of the crime.

That's very common. But don't sign a petition and then now be this leading voice in this whole anti-harassment. I think it's very inconsistent. I think you have to at least answer to that. Did she comment on why she signed it? I think there was a mea culpa there, but it's very inconsistent, and there's a lot of that out there. There's a lot of that out there.

We should make sure that she definitely did that. You'll see it. Just see if you can Google that, young Jamie. You'll see it. It feels like something that you have to. I looked it up. I actually looked it up. I wanted to see who had signed that petition i came across her name and i was like whoa

that doesn't make any sense to me you know it just doesn't make any sense man i don't get it i don't know enough about what happened i know that he drugged and and sodomized some young girl she was-year-old. She was 13. And her mom dropped her off, I believe. Why was she there? You know, it was the 70s, man. People were just free. Apparently she looked every bit of 20, all that shit in here.

Man. But I believe he knew she was 13. Then he knew he was going to go away to jail. And he left the country. Jesus Christ. Yeah. he knew he was going to go away to jail and he left the country jesus christ yeah and say and then apparently there's another woman that he had done that too yeah imagine being um on the scene back then how weird that must have been like there there had been like think about roman polanski

making movies in like what the 1970s right yeah i mean god chinatown it's only amazing yeah amazing they'd only been making movies for like a few decades it was a real new thing she signed the petition but i found a tweet she just put she put out a couple months ago where she said she regretted doing it i already regretted the signing the petition years ago she said uh it's a mistake robin polanski's a filmmaker whose work i admire greatly but if i ever see him i'll spit in his face if he's lucky. Yeah, but you signed the petition. I already regretted signing the petition years ago.

I already felt it was a mistake. No excuses. It was stupid, but this indicates a pattern of behavior that if true, and I believe it to be true, is beyond unforgivable. Well, I think you got a good point, though, about she made a mistake, and there is something that happens to people that have been violated. Sometimes they blame themselves. That's what I said. I forgive that.

And there could be a little of that in her decision-making process, too. I can't forgive that. There could be a little bit of wanting to be in with Hollywood. That's not ethically or morally consistent, though. And she fucked up, and she realized she fucked up. But you're also coming after people now. You know, if we're going to if we're going to and a lot of these people, you know, deserve to be come after. But, you know, we have to be consistent here.

Right. But isn't she being consistent by just saying that she fucked up and she realized that she fucked up? Well, there are a lot of people are saying that once they get caught. Well, that petition, that petition doesn't mean jack shit they ain't letting them doesn't matter you signed it and and it was a yes i don't know anybody that would sign that like i would never sign that petition that's all i'm trying to say be consistent if um so if the guy came to america and got arrested and uh went through the trial and then got convicted, how much time would you do? I don't know. I don't know.

What's interesting is, like, would it be better karmically to go to jail for what he did, come back, go to jail, and then no one, everyone would always know when you got out that you were convicted and you were punished for child molestation. Like you did it and they got you. Everyone would know. Whereas now he's living in France and he has to deal with it floating over his head. Everyone who meets me knows that I drugged and raped a kid. Everywhere I go, everyone knows I drugged and raped a kid.

And it just keeps playing out in his head all day long public shaming is powerful shit well I mean that's the highest level yes this is drugging and raping a kid I'm a forgiving guy I can't forgive that one I can't like I'm a forgiving dude man I can't I don't stay mad and I think it's good to be forgiving about things there are certain things that to me when you and he's a great filmmaker and a great artist for me that kind of stuff it's very difficult man it I'm just it's very difficult I had an argument with a bunch of older actors about this and they were all saying it was a long time ago she looked up and I was like if it was your daughter and she was 13 how would you feel you just got to keep going back

to that and well especially if you actually have a daughter. If you actually have a daughter, you're not conceptualizing that. You've got it actually locked into your brain. You're actually thinking about your daughter, and it becomes a completely different thing. I remember thinking when I was young, yeah, if someone did that to my daughter, but that was like before I had a kid.

It was just a weird concept. It didn't seem real. but now you think about this 13 year old girl and you're like whoa but what a court would do and what what a trial would do is you might hear something like i don't know but you might hear i don't know she said she said she was 20 when we talk about drugging hold on she smoked a little weed that that guy gave her over there let's be careful right then then you start hearing all the extenuating circumstances and maybe you would go you got to do the time but at least i get how that happened because you thought it was something different right what was your intention what did you see but we don't know that so what happens is we start and we're doing this too and

i'm doing it i don't know i don't know all. So what happens is we start, and we're doing this too, and I'm doing it. I don't know all the details of the case. And all I'm saying is that he drugged and sodomized a 13-year-old girl. Do you think it's possible that everyone was drugged, him included? Well, this is what I'm saying. So we all have to be careful, and I have to too, because I'm kind of breaking my own rule here. I'm drawing these very strong, hard and fast, like there's no context in what I'm saying, right? There's no nuance in what I'm saying.

There's no context. Right. And you got to be careful because everything is nuanced in context. In a way. Otherwise, you're taking me at just the words I'm saying. What I'm seeing from this is like she's upset and you're upset. Like she's upset she signed it and you're upset she signed it. Yeah.

But that doesn't mean nearly as much to me. Like people making a mistake, like her making that mistake doesn't mean much to me. It's just a mistake. I forgive it. I'm not saying. But here's the thing. There's no consequences. No one got hurt because of that mistake.

You know what I'm saying? Like it was a mistake she fucked up up but it didn't ultimately hurt anyone like it doesn't i don't like the fact that someone would at least temporarily have that thought in their mind like that guy should be free like like leave him alone what's bygone to be bygone i'm actually talking about something different what are you talking about so i'm talking about the idea that hollywood tends to do i was just using her as an example hollywood tends to do that which is popular, that which is going to make them liked, rather than something that's morally or ethically consistent.

That's what I mean, right? Well, we've talked about this before, that it all comes down to the whole process of being chosen to do things. Whether being chosen to direct or chosen to act. Everybody's constantly working to be chosen. You're all trying to audition for things or trying to angle to get a certain role. It's a constant process of like me, like me, like me.

And these are people that go into this job with this yearning desire to be loved. And then on top of that, they're playing this weird political game. I mean, acting is all political. I mean, it doesn't make any sense that every other occupation, except maybe tech, tech's probably like mostly liberal.

But Hollywood's almost exclusively liberal. And if you step out of those lines, nobody wants to work with you anymore. Well, Hollywood on the surface is liberal, but actually nobody who's conservative or whatever will speak out. Right, like Tim Allen lost his show because he's conservative. Yeah. He's an old white guy. What do you expect? Old white guys?

Yeah, that's a very real thing nowadays. Start hanging out with Dennis Miller? Yeah, Dennis Miller, same thing. He went fucking straight Republican. James Woods is crazy. James Woods is arguing with people on Twitter. Like, James, you're 70 years old. How many days you got left?

How many moments in your life do you really have left? Do have a thousand like what are you gonna do you're gonna waste 400 of them on Twitter yeah that's not wise that's not a wise thing he said he was blackballed for his conservative views was he really I don't know yeah I don't know I don't know man I don't want to be again I don't want to be, I don't know if I'm being helpful. How so? Well, so, you know, you call out certain people or you talk about the inconsistencies. Most people are doing the best they can at trying to make the world a better place, right? Are they? I think most people are just, like, rolling downhill in a hamster wheel.

You think so? Trying to figure out how to stop this fucking thing. Yeah, most people are just on full-on momentum. Most people are definitely not thinking about how to make the world a better place. Occasionally, people think of that. What they try to think is, how do I get by, number one? Then how do I get better? How do I get ahead, number two?

Those are the things they think of. And occasionally, what's going on? What's happening over there? Fucking Trump. And then they go back to work. Yeah. Well, that's going on? What's happening over there? Fucking Trump. And then they go back to work. Yeah. Well, that's all you can do sometimes. Yeah.

Most people. That's most people. But a guy like James Woods, it's like, Jesus, James, I get it. But you're not changing hearts and minds on Twitter. It says funny shit, though, sometimes. I was going to say, the biggest thing is, it's really hard to persuade anybody. It's fucking basically. Like, I was thinking about the times I've changed my mind.

Hard to change my mind. I never change it in an argument. Yeah, right. I change it in a conversation. I don't mind changing my mind. I think that's important, too. Yeah. You know, and I've changed my mind before, and people got mad at me.

Bro, you fucking changed your mind. Like, yeah, I changed my mind. I people got mad at me bro you fucking changed your mind like yeah i changed my mind i learned some new stuff and i went oh okay i can't defend this old idea and i'm not an idea stupid the first what's the what's the first rule in being a scientist doubt uh ignorance you don't know anything and then you you make sure that you're responsive to the evidence and then if you even if you build up a whole reputation on your conclusion, you have to be willing to change your conclusion based upon new evidence. You have to be responsive. What are you, a finished product?

Yeah, exactly. You're a finished product? Oh, it's amazing. You're a verb. Yeah. I'm definitely smarter than I was three months ago. Different person, too. How about the difference between you when you were 28 and now?

It's totally different human.? I was a different person. Yeah, totally different human. Yeah. But that raises an interesting question, too. So, okay, you're a very different person now. But what if you did something awful then, like committed murder? When should they let you go? Right, and now at 51, I'm so different than when I was 21.

I don't remember that. I was such a moron. I was a moron at 30. I remember feeling that awkward lack I was such a moron. I was a moron at 30. I remember feeling that awkward lack of control I had for myself, like feeling how awkward it was and wishing I had more composure. I remember like actively feeling that at 21, that it was so impulsive and so crazy and I wished I was more composed.

And I would see people that had their shit together and I would really admire them. Like, look at that guy, all composed and shit. Dressed nice. Knows what to say and not to say it. Meanwhile, I'd blurt things out that I should never say. How about the way you look? Like, I was thinking about the way I looked at certain things, like women and their capabilities. When I was a young man, you know what changed me in looking at women in a different light? The UFC and having children with a woman.

And watching how good she was at raising kids and all the things that that takes. That's a certain type of strength. And then watching women like Paige Van Zandt fight three rounds with a broken arm. That was all something that I didn't think belonged. That was an arena I was not aware of, that kind of feminine strength or fortitude

or whatever you want to call it it causes me to look at that gender differently than i did before so in a lot of ways i'm a different person and as you get older that's what happens you see the world differently as you are exposed to more data and exposed to more and different paradigms and examples and i think that's a good thing it is a good thing thing. And it's also, it's ridiculous. The female-male debate back and forth is ridiculous because people vary so much inside those groups that for someone to say, all women do this,

women are all thinking this, women are... No, no, that doesn't make any sense. That's just as stupid as saying men do this, men all do this, all men do this. No, no, that's not, that doesn't make any sense. We're fucking human beings. There's a great number of men all do this all men do this no no that's not that doesn't make any sense we're fucking human beings there's a great number of men that do this stupid thing and a great number of women that say this annoying thing there's a great number of people that are just looking to skate by in this life men and women yep there's a great number of dummies there's a great number of

really inspirational fantastic people that also have vaginas yeah there's a lot of them what a surprise a lot of fucking really smart ones that'll blow your mind in a conversation and they just happen to be female. And there's a lot of them that just happen to be male. And that male who happens to be fucking brilliant and articulate and mind-blowing has

almost no fucking relation to some idiot, shithead, ditch-digger asshole. Yeah. Which, nothing wrong with digging ditches, folks. Just don't dig ditchithead ditch digger asshole. Yeah. Which is nothing wrong with digging ditches, folks. Just don't dig ditches if you're an asshole. I'm trying to be. No, but it's also like one of the things I noticed is you have a lot of people from different

backgrounds. You got Nigeria in this corner, you got Pakistan in that corner, you got China in that corner, you got fucking America, you got a white guy from Iowa. When they all have to get food out to a group of people in a restaurant, or they gotta figure out a way to run a business together, all that shit, nobody has time for that shit.

Everybody's kind of working toward a common goal. Nobody has time if you actually have something important to do. It's when you don't have something important to do, you start looking at weird shit, like, I fucking hate gingers. Gingers are all the devil. You start looking at things that makes people different. You start looking at the differences and getting annoyed with stupid shit.

Yeah. Yeah, I think all human beings, just like your son, have a physical requirement. There's a bond requirement that we all have with each other. There's a love requirement that we all have with each other. We have to get a certain amount of love. You've got to have a certain amount of bonding and camaraderie with the people around you and these needs should be just like they give you like a vitamin C chart you know USDA recommended daily allowance of vitamin C is this recommended daily allowance of you know

iron is that like all that stuff is important for your body I think you have an equally important requirement for your your mind yes and for just your physical being like not necessarily your body in terms of like nutrition but just love and warmth like the human touch you know the babies will die if you don't touch them right yeah it's called failure to thrive so in hospitals when they have babies that don't have parents they have people that come around and hold the babies jesus christ he's not held you can feed hold the babies. If the baby's not held, you can feed the baby and everything. If the baby's not held, the baby will die. Fuck.

They have to be touched by another human being. A baby has to be. Yeah. It's like water or food. Yeah. There's a fucking requirement. Yeah. And I think that this is being violated in schools when you're teaching little kids with

tons of energy. And the way they cope with that violation is give those kids medication that makes them conform and we just accept that and then people get on anti-anxiety medication and people get on all this medication that medication how many of these medications are clearly described because your life sucks or prescribed rather because your life sucks how many of them is it half right is it 30 like what number of people actually have something wrong with their brain? And what number of people have something wrong with their brain because their life sucks? Right.

God damn it. I hate going over the same subject over and over again because it's just so drilled into my brain. It's hard to come up with fucking answers because it all depends. It's drilled into my brain. Like I was talking to Andy Galpin about that. I was like, well, is this vitamin good for you or is this supplement good for you or is this? I was showing him stuff I take. And he goes, it depends.

It just depends on your body. It depends on what are you doing with your body? What is your routine like on a daily, on a weekly basis? What kind of stresses are you putting your body on? Some things work. Some things don't. There's no clear-cut single variable answer it's just so fascinating that all of our bodies have different requirements because we literally developed in different parts of the world i know and scooted

over here in a boat yeah start fucking each other yeah and oh look at you allergic to cats all these weird things that stuck with us i do do better with goat dairy. Me too. Than I do with Mediterranean. Than I do with Holstein cow dairy. Dude, my daughter, when she was little, she would throw up if she drank cow's milk, but she would drink goat's milk and she'd have no problem with it at all. Yeah.

It's weird, man. Like human dairy. Well, do you fuck with raw milk at all? Yeah, I used to, but not anymore. I'll fuck with raw goat milk. I can't do raw milk. Yeah, I would rather get raw not anymore. I'll fuck with raw goat milk. I can't do raw milk. Yeah, I would rather get raw goat milk because, first of all, do they treat goats the way they treat cows? I figure if you're running goats, you probably like a little bit more animal friendly.

I get the best goat milk in the world from the Amish. That sounds like they're down to the best shit. It's thick and creamy and delicious. Would you imagine, let's go on a limb here and guess. Would you imagine there's factory farming of goats? Like milking, commercial, large-scale milking? I'm sure there is. I get there's certain ultra-pasteurized goat milk called Myers that I get sometimes.

It's really good, but it's ultra-pasteurized. But I'm sure that the problem is when you talk about factory farming, here's the problem, right? So we want consistency in our food. So you want to buy eggs, and when you go to buy a carton of eggs, you know they're going to cost $1.50 or $2.50 or $3.50, whatever. You know that they're going to cost a certain amount. You don't go to the egg store, and one day they're $3.50, and the next day they're $12. $12. And the reason for that is this, that we figured out a way to create enough eggs so that there is enough of a glut so that we can keep the price at a certain level. The problem with, if you had all these family farms, okay, which I've always been a fan as I always talk about

family farms versus factory farms. Awesome, Brian. Never done a day of farming in my fucking life. Don't know anything about it, but I've done my reading. So here's Brian again with his point of view because he's read some stuff and he likes eating at Arowana Whole Foods. Okay. Because I can afford it. So I like family. I like family farming. You like the idea of family farming. Factory farming is bad. Okay.

The problem is that if you look at the way farming works is that some family farms aren't as good as other family farms for a thousand reasons. Not as productive, not as proficient. So what would happen is that family would say, hey, bro, I know you're a chicken farmer, too, but you're not doing it right. Let me buy your farm. I'll buy your farm for 15 times what it's worth right now.

You need the money. But I'm going to, you know, secretly secretly I know I'm going to make my money back because I know how to do it better than that guy. And then I do that. Now I get, I go and buy a machine that's actually faster

and I go to the next farm and I say, hey bro, you're not going to compete with me on the market anyway and you're not as good. Sell me your farm. And what happens is,

The guy's going to go, fuck you. Not really. City slicking douche bag trying to buy up my farm. No, because you're not a city fuck you not really like a douchebag trying to buy up my farm because you're not a city slicker he's a farmer himself you're talking is city slicker is that how i'm doing i like your attitude hey bro come to me my fucking farm i could give you a deal come over here i could i i know how to make eggs i know what you're saying what people

the real problem with factory farm is the lack of moral standards like when they shove these chickens these little tiny boxes. And the other thing is we've adapted to the ecosystem that we operate under. And the ecosystem that we operate under, we get free food, basically. And not free food, but free access to food.

It's how you feed a lot of people, protein. Yeah, but it's everywhere. The food is just coming in and the eggs are everywhere. Yeah. So someone's got to be able to make all those eggs. So we've sort of enveloped these areas and stacked them up with people based on the idea that it's easy to be able to make all those eggs. So we've sort of enveloped these areas

and stacked them up with people based on the idea that it's easy to get food here. If it was really hard to get food here in the 1800s, it'd be 1,500 people here, right? It would be like the Sonora Desert. You go through the Sonora Desert, people live there. Some people live, there's a little ranch here, ranch there. Why?

Because there's no fucking food, man. Or water. Yeah, there's not a lot there. It's a desert, right? So because of the fact that we figured out how to be able to feed all these millions and millions and millions of people yeah well in this one little spot like la in particular where no one's growing shit right everything's shoved in there in terms of humans and they're just pumping eggs in there left and right yeah they've sort of populated that place based on this ridiculous idea of the access to meat.

It's not a ridiculous idea. It's actually a reality, right? Right. But then people come along and they see a PETA video. And then they go, hey, but you still want to live here. So, well, you're going to have to go vegan then. Well, guess what? If you do that, they're going to have to chop down a lot of fucking trees and start growing food everywhere.

They're going to have to put it everywhere. All these people are going to be vegan? All 2 million in this town and 6 million in the neighborhood town and then 20 million in LA. That's a lot of agricultural runoff. That's a lot of pollution. You're going to have a lot of fucking shit going to the ground. You're going to have a lot of combines

chewing up rabbits and rats. Ground nesting birds. Everything's going to get buzzed up. When you're gathering up all that grain, you're going to need to feed all those two million people that don't have access to animal protein anymore that's not good either right we're fucked is what i'm saying you're giving up that easy i gave up dude i think technology is allowing us to grow more food on on less land so that's true i think i'm very hopeful for that um uh artificial, that meat that they're growing.

Yeah, I know. Very hopeful for that because if we could figure out a way to make it healthy to get that kind of meat, you would still have population control problems, and I think I would never stop hunting because of that. But it's meat without a central nervous system. It's meat without a central nervous system, and we could probably, if it's done and it really works, I mean, there's a lot of ifs there, but we could probably if it's done and it really works I mean there's a lot of ifs there but we could probably eliminate most of the factory farming the real problem would be like

what would you do with all those cows what do you do with the cows now they would die off and then you wouldn't have a breeding but you don't want them to go extinct you'd always have some cows because there'd be people who'd there'd be a whole marketplace of eating meat with the central nervous system just watch oh they were definitely our meat is natural yeah we go back to the there's always going to be a marketplace for eating food as it quote-unquote occurred naturally which of course Holstein cows are not natural that's the other thing I was going to get to the problem with letting them go if we ever let them go they morph morph. Sort of like the same way pigs morph.

They become this thing called scrub bulls. You ever heard of scrub bulls? Uh-uh. It's a really, it's really popular especially in Australia. They're wild cattle.

Really? They've broken through fences and lived many, many generations in the wild. The males are super aggressive. Really? Very dangerous. Let me see, Jamie, let me see.

Yeah, they're dangerous as fuck. Enormous. Enormous bulls. In Africa, they're not Let me see. Yeah, they're dangerous as fuck. Enormous. Enormous bulls. In Africa, they're not afraid of lions. They're afraid of water buffaloes. They say climb a tree when you see a water buffalo. Well, my friend Adam Greentree

who shot that buffalo above the flag in the north lands. That's a scrub bull. So you see how weird that thing looks? It looks weird because it's probably lived in the wild for many, many, many generations. Wow. a scrub bull. So you see how weird that thing looks? It looks weird because it's

probably lived in the wild for many, many, many generations. They're huge. Look at the size of the sack on him, dude. Look at his sack and look at his hog. Holy shit. That thing's no joke, huh? That thing is laying pipe all day. Just, just banging all these cows. They're enormous wild cows and they're very aggressive. The males in particular will fuck you up because they're not steers, right? They're bulls. When we're getting steak, you're getting steak most of the time from a steer. A steer is an animal that cut the balls off of it when it's young. These are full-ass bulls.

Look at the muscles on that thing. That's a badass animal. Look at the size of that. That thing's huge. Jesus. Yeah, these are big fucking wild bulls. You know, what does that weigh? 1,800 pounds or some shit? I don't know, man.

Fuck. So that would happen in America. You gotta recognize that if people stopped having domestic cattle and they just let those cattle roam through, you would have a devastating impact on the ecosystem, just like you have with wild pigs.

It would be similar. You'd have wild cows. I think those cows would all be euthanized, or they'd be eaten. Maybe. It's breeding the cows. But you'd have to have a certain population of them that we keep alive. You'd need them for milk. Yeah.

You can milk them. What if they come up with artificial milk? God damn it, Joe. The fuck? You're not really supposed to drink milk, though, right? I mean, not really. I don't know. Cheese is good shit.

Is it, though? I drink... I eat cheese and I drink wine. It doesn't make me feel good and I'm never stopping. How about that? Wine does not make me feel good until it goes in my mouth. The problem is if I... Like, I was in that makeup chair.

And you were drinking wine? I was doing, no, I was puffy in the morning and I looked at the makeup woman and I said, why am I so puffy in the morning? And she goes, are you drinking at night?

I go, every night. She goes, well, don't do that. If you have to shoot the next day, you might not want to drink three glasses of fucking wine. Because I get swollen. Just drink it. Yeah.

But I want to look good on the Coburgs. Do you? Do you want to look good? Dairy reinvented. Sustainable, kind, delicious. There you go. Animal free milk. I bet that thing gives you rocket farts.

Like farts that if you were in a chair with wheels on it, you could fart and it would scoot you across a carpet. I mean, how could your body want to digest that? What's that stuff made out of? Give me some ingredients, young Jamie. That's weird. People are weird. Milk. Yeah.

Almond milk. That's my favorite. It's not even. Yeah. There's no almond titties. That's not almond milk. Does someone have a joke like that? That's someone's joke. That's not even... Yeah. There's no almond titties. That's not almond milk. Does someone have a joke like that? That's someone's joke.

That just bites someone's joke. I don't think so. I'm always paranoid. The whole almond milk thing is so weird. You're just soaking nuts and then getting the dirty water. You know what it's like? It's like when you would eat Coco Pops. Cuckoo for Coco Pops.

Don't they... And you would have that chocolate and it would be the chocolate at the bottom No they press them god damn it What are you talking about They take the almonds they soak them they sprout them And then they press them Right but that dirty water is just water that the almonds were soaking around in No because they don't do it that way I don't think I think the way they do it is they crush the almonds

After they've been After the almonds have been soaked they take the skin off And then they crush them And then they and then they crush them and then they. They mix it? They crush them and then they press them and it creates like a milky. It's dirty water, bro. No, sir. I don't know what kind of fucking almond factory you're talking about, bro.

It's dirty almond water. What is this? Jamie! Genetically engineered yeast. What is this? This is, what's in that? Cellular agaric. What?

Vegan milk. It's called Mufi. Oh, my God. The term genetically, wow. The team used genetically engineered yeast to produce six key proteins. Oh, you goddamn motherfucker. Six key proteins that provide the texture

and plants to harvest eight fatty acids that contribute to the flavor. Finally, they add sugars, minerals, and water. Easy peasy. It's sugar. With this straightforward recipe, the composition can be modified to leave potentially harmful components such as cholesterol and hormones out of the equation. Isn't lactose...

Cholesterol is, by the way, the building blocks of all cells. Yeah. Isn't lactose a sugar?esterol is, by the way, the building blocks of all cells. Yeah. Isn't lactose a sugar? Google that. Lactate? Yeah, they're putting sugar in there, man. But they said they put sugars in it, because otherwise it would taste like donkey piss. Yeah.

It's yeast, by the way. Yeast is a life form. Where do you draw the line? Like, if you're a vegan and you're eating yeast you are eating a living thing You're even eating a life form that if you didn't eat it it would replicate. It's not a plant. It's a life form Mm-hmm, like if you're if you're eating probiotics like say if you're a vegan you eating probiotics you're eating little tiny life forms, right? That's what you're eating when you have fermented that yeah You're letting animals grow on your food, and then you're eating your food and the animals.

That's where I get my protein. You're eating animals. You're eating little tiny, tiny little animals. I think 9 out of 10 of your cells are not human. They're bacterial. Every cell of your body is made from it, and all of your steroid hormones are synthesized from cholesterol, including all of the sex and adrenal hormones.

Well, you definitely don't want that in your body, then, do you? Why would you want something that's responsible for every fucking cell in your body? Like, this idea that that diet is better for you is so goddamn cockamamie. They're telling you that they're putting in sugar so that it makes it palatable, and taking you, you don't have to worry about that naughty cholesterol that's responsible for every fucking cell in your body and your hormones we don't want that like i have it they're not even like paying attention to science but it's a belief system it's not but here's what it is though here's where it gets

weird the this is a i also believe in many ways is left-right thing that the left believes in climate change science wholeheartedly 100% but does not believe in gender science. No, that's all bullshit. If you talk about the difference between male and female, just XY chromosomes, they'll shut you down.

Did you see Brett Weinstein's, his wife, Heather Hying? Eric Brett Weinstein's, his wife, Heather Hying. Eric Weinstein? No, his wife, Heather Hying. She was doing a speech with James Damore.

They were talking about gender diversity and she's just talking about the difference between males and females from a scientist point of view. She's a real biologist, right? People get up and screaming.

They're shutting her down they're walking out they knocked over the sound system they called her a fascist they said he's a nazi awesome you're against science dude it's amazing it's amazing so dumb but it's this thing this left right thing too it's right it's like the left wants you to 100 buy into whatever science they accept but also they don't buy into a lot of shit that just doesn't fit with whatever their ideology is. The left is into cultural purity. The far right is into racial purity. Yeah, but it was the denial of science is a new thing.

Yes, it is. Denial of science was just not a part of the left. The left was always— Pro-science. Supposedly pro-science. The idea was that they were more educated, but as I looked into it I felt that was like, that's not really true. But you would think that it would be more educated.

Again, is it left and right or is it just, is it, are we talking about just people who are, I feel like when we talk about these people that are knocking over sound systems and walking out and shouting at Christina Summers, I don't know that they're right or left. I think that these are young, confused people.

Shitheads. Shitheads. Yeah. I think that I really do. I think they're – first of all, I don't think they're very smart. I don't think that they're dealing with – That's absolutely true. I think a lot of them might have some psychological problems. I think a lot of them might have some psychological problems

I think a lot of them want to belong. I think a lot of them just want to Be heard and people do clumsy shit when people want to feel significant They'll do even crazier shit like put a gun in their hand and shoot somebody so sure, you know And it usually belongs it's the realm of young people who don't know what to do with their energy There's a lot of that and again like we talked about before with Christina Hoff Summers, there's just a bunch of people that are free from their parents for the first time. That's right. They've only been free for like 24 months.

Yeah. And they're stretching, they've dyed their hair green. You can't stop me, you fascist. They just want to stop everything and they want attention. But ultimately, I think that this is giving us an opportunity to really fully examine ideas and even though these people are shouting people down all this noise is going on like there'll be a result there'll be some sort of a an ebb and flow to all this that i feel very hopeful about like when i look at the ebb and flow of things like i like it

i like what's going on i like that there's a lot of fucking chaos and definitely some people are taking some unnecessarily bullets. And there's definitely some ideas that are getting shut down that shouldn't be. And there's definitely some overuse of the word Nazi and fascist and all this different stuff. But it seems like overwhelmingly all this crazy energy is being pushed into at least the idea that we're improving the world. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah idea that we're improving the world. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like they want to improve the world.

I had a bunch of women on my podcast. We were talking about like sexism and Hollywood. And, and I, of course I was like, I don't see it that much. I was like, I don't see it.

And, uh, these women were all really intelligent. And I said, you know, I gotta be honest, man, as a white man.

Now I just feel like I, it's just, it's hard for us. I go, I go, I go, I go, you know, I gotta watch what I say. Now I gotta watch like how I talk. And, man as a white man now i just feel like i it's just it's hard for us i go i go i go i go you know i gotta watch what i say now i gotta watch like how i talk and and one of the women goes

katie goes wow i can't imagine what that's like brian what's it like to have to watch it watch what you say and watch you know watch what your impact is like i have no idea meanwhile she's been dealing with that every woman i know has been dealing with that for fucking ever and i guess i didn't take it i didn't look at their perspective it's hard to look at other people's perspective yeah it is it's hard to like i was talking to shop in the last podcast we were talking about uh joey diaz had some crazy shit about some chick's ass and uh and we were all laughing about it and he was like it's joey's fucking diaz he's a comedian i go i totally understand and i'm with you but now imagine if you were

a regular sized guy and you were dealing with like some seven foot tall ogre who was going online talking about how good your asshole smelled and you're like oh Jesus and you knew that that guy wanted to fuck you and then you knew that if he was

alone with you he could probably like hold you down and fuck you yeah like that would be terrifying right yeah that'd be terrifying yeah in this case he's talking about a female fighter probably would fuck joey's ass probably beat joey's ass right she's badass you know joey's yeah not in the best shape he might he might clock her with a punch though if she starts circling his jab she's gonna she's gonna she's gonna pepper his face up a little bit but either way he's being funny that's all it is but i was saying imagine now though that you're a girl who hears someone talk about your asshole like that and we've all done

it we've all done it yeah you'd be like oh no like that's gotta be a terrible feeling yeah it is it's interesting i'd love to be a woman for one day to see what that's would you like to get fucked if you're a woman for one day would you suck a dick no wouldn't you like that's where i draw the line stick it in there i don't even see where it goes i just want to see what it's like like what does it feel like like what if a guy stuck it in your ass like i could have found that out as a guy well first of all what's it like to be attracted to a man like i look at you and and i know women find you attractive. I don't find you attractive.

Beautiful. Right? I dare you. Right. But to have this big kind of— Hold on. Let me give you my good side. That's good.

You got a strong jaw. Smolder. Strong jaw. I'm a smolder. God. You do smolder, dude. Smoldering, bro. You do smolder.

It's hard for you, too. I get lost in your eyes. You have a strong jaw and soft eyes. Well, imagine wanting someone to stick something in you and shoot sperm into you. I can't wait. Get some in me. Imagine that. Jamie just threw up. Yeah. Like my wife was watching Sopranos and she

found Tony Soprano attractive. I said, why? She goes, because he's powerful and he's just bad. And I said, well, you want to be married to him? She goes, I don't want to be married to him. I want to be his mistress. I was like, what the fuck? God, I'd leave the room.

I know. I'd leave the room and make tea. I was like, I got to gain weight. I would make tea and I would think about my life. I got to stop being so shredded. I got to get into crime and gain some weight instead of being so good. Yeah, just eat some pasta. So legit and shredded.

Thick up. But he died young. That was a bummer. Yeah, 55. He was one of those guys that when he died i was like oh man how old was he 55 or 52 or some shit he was in that neighborhood looked every bit of 60 yeah he had it all in his system too baby yeah he did right yeah he had the full ride he liked to do his well i know guys who worked with him i know guys well who worked with him and he

just he could fucking tear it up man what was the movie where he played a um hit man what was that movie true romance no no yeah it was that one but there was a more recent one um god damn it was it with brad pitt was there a movie with him and brad pitt killing me soft yes was he a hit man too they were both hit man well he's also in the drop i don't know if you're thinking about that no i'm thinking of killing me both hitman? Well, he was also in The Drop. I don't know if you're thinking about that too. No, I'm thinking of Killing Me Softly. That's the one, right? He was great in True Romance, man.

Fuck, he's great in everything. He was amazing. I mean, that Tony Soprano's character literally changed what we think of as like a hero in a TV show. Because all of a sudden the hero was a murderer. Like the hero, like when he killed Christopher, like when they had the car accident, he just fucking smothered him. He's like, this is a good excuse to kill this guy.

He just killed him right there. I was like, whoa, holy shit. Holy shit. When he closed his nose. Yeah, man. That was fucked up. Just held his nose closed. That was fucked up.

Yeah. And that's what it was like. That's willing to That was fucked up. Yeah. And that's what it was like. That's willing to do whatever it took. Yeah. But it was also the star of the show, and you liked him. Oh, yeah. That's what was so weird about it. Genius.

There's never been a show like that. He was so bad. Yeah, look. He was so bad. And there hasn't been a show like that since then I mean who else is like that much of a villain and a hero

wrapped up into one who else the only person that you can maybe Breaking Bad but you can see why he was doing it he wasn't a bad guy Tony Soprano was a bad guy. He cheated on his wife constantly. Murdered people constantly.

Yeah. But what was fascinating about him is that it was the dichotomy. It was the guy who loved his family, told his son to do his homework and not to swear at the table, and also would order a hit in the same breath. And that insane contradiction was what you can't take your eyes off because we're bipolar apes, because you can be a very bad guy and also a really good guy. And that's what's fucking crazy and true about human beings. Well, that's just what's brilliant, though, about that writing is that they figured out how to encapsulate that in fiction where it's playing out every week and you're not sick of the guy. Like you want to see if he's going to make it. Is get busted is he going to jail yeah are they gonna crack down on them

who's gonna rat him out yeah you know but that that that show is an interesting like kind of metaphor for life like i guess what i really worry about with our social situation today is the destruction of people and how they're never allowed to come back into the fold that's what i worry about yeah like like public shaming or whatever it might be like there are very few people that deserve eternal damnation and they are out there but for the most part roman polanski it's a tough you know again a great artist and a great filmmaker And it's a tough, you know, again, a great artist and a great filmmaker. I'm reacting to the fact that you, I can't, I can't justify having you come back to the country and be pardoned after that.

If what you did is true, if what I've been, what I've read and been told is true, I don't know how I'm supposed to forgive that. And it's mainly because it's a child. Right. So that falls into the line of unacceptable things. For me. But then there's people that have been shamed like Al Franken. Where you're like, really? No, that was ridiculous.

What happened? That was ridiculous. What did he do? I get that the photo was very inappropriate that he took. But it cheapens. You can't conflate him with Harvey Weinstein. That cheapens. No, you can't. He shouldn't have done it,

but he was trying to be funny. Right. And sometimes people are trying to be funny, especially when people are around each other all the time. They get stupid and they cross lines. Or you just don't read the signals. You cross a line in that you're trying to pick somebody up

or you're putting pressure on them. Don't you think that ultimately what this is going to do, though, is people are going to have to learn to be nicer to each other? Don't you think that? Or they're going to be really careful and afraid. And I worry that if you have, for example, first of all, where do most people meet their wives and their girlfriends? A lot of times it's at work. A lot of times. Okay?

Their husbands and their wives. And I think that don't be surprised if corporations start to have a zero tolerance policy for any kind of romance in the office space. It'll be like the military. Nobody's allowed to date anybody. And if you do, you get fired right away. No questions asked. And now think about the fact that you're eight hours a day in this place, which is most of your waking time. It's not gonna make anybody happy.

It's not gonna make anybody happy. Also, please add the fact that we're also going to have all of the meetings between men and women in rooms videotaped. And in fact, HD. And in fact, men and women aren't allowed to be in the same room without a chaperone. Yes. You're gonna see all the shit because- Chaperone's a robot too.

Because you're talking about major money. You're talking about talking about major fucking yeah it'll be a robot with a camera the robot it says i think you're speaking inappropriately exactly and so you have all these issues so is that going to make all of us happier no we're gonna have to quit is it gonna make us working in offices are we gonna be safer i'm hoping that it makes people quit offices So what happens is there will be no sexual harassment at the workplace because there's no workplace. Fuck, I never thought of that, dude. Dude. Way ahead. You're smart.

No more working together. No more working together. No. That's kind of why. Places can show up and work together all day. Fuck all that. By the way, men and women working together is a pretty new thing in history. Yeah.

40 years. Yeah. Men and women have never worked together yeah so this is this is all kind of like and you know you know listen when men and women get together people are starting to fuck whoa they're just gonna fuck whitney cummings has a funny joke about that about working in a writing room working in uh on a set of a show like she doesn't usually work like at a place yeah and she's oh, this is what people are doing here. I don't want to give away her joke. It's very funny. But there's something that's happening

when men and women get around each other. They're jockeying for sexual position. Yes, and they're attracted to each other. And they work together. And they end up liking each other. Yeah, and then they get to know each other at work. Yeah, and then what happens? So there's no sex. And there's happens? Okay, so you can't.

So there's no sex. And there's no romance. And there's no humor. Humor is dangerous. Humor could be a problem. What if you say something racist and you're trying to be funny? You get in trouble. Don't do it.

And you're not racist, but you were just trying to be funny. Right. Okay. But you could say racist things. I'll give you a free pass to say racist things about white people. Well, that's fine. I'll give you a free pass to say racist things about white people. Well, that's fine. I'll give you a free pass. Do you have any racist white things you could say at work today, Tommy?

Yeah. Can they be hillbillies? Yes, or rednecks. All right, rednecks. Dirty rednecks, dirty hillbillies. Yeah. That's fine. Shit all over those people that were forced. Their whole family worked at a coal mine.

Yeah, ha. Yeah. Ha, you dummies. What, are you fucking your kids? Ha ha. Yeah. Be racist all day for white people. You can.

And there's some white people that do not have a fucking good deal. No. They don't have a good deal. No. They got $400 in the bank. Yeah. If that. There's some incredible amount of money or incredible amount of people rather in this

country that have less than that in their bank. Yeah. It's something like 50%. Yeah, some study they did. People that have $200 or less in their bank account and it's some insane number. Like into the millions and millions of people.

Well, this is what I always say. The people that voted for Trump, a lot of them have been demonized by the left as being racist or homophobic or misogynist and stuff like that. Or they're good people who have $400 in the bank or less, can't send

their kids to baseball, etc. And along comes Hillary Clinton, who's Obama-lite, talking about the same shit. And they're like, I'll try anything but her. Look at this. There you go. That's real. Read that. That's real, man.

Six in ten Americans don't have $500 in savings. There you go. Holy shit. It's way more than I thought it was. Now, when you don't have... Okay, now we're back to that story about scarcity. Isn't that like 150 million people or something like that? Yeah.

Yeah. 60%. It's more than... Yeah. So 150 million people... What is the real number. 60%. It's more than, yeah. What is the real number of people in America? Is it 300 million or is it more? 320 or something? Yeah, 330, I think. 330?

Roughly. So it's more than that. So it's like 170? 170 million people? Half would be 170 and change. Oh, my God. So when you got $500 in the bank, are you thinking about gender-neutral bathrooms? Always.

Are you thinking about how misogynist everybody is? Yes. Everyone's misogynist, bro. It's disgusting. To be a man and see other men, I'm just ashamed of my gender. I'm ashamed. All you're fucking thinking about is getting more money. So you can send your kids to fucking anything.

You know what Brett Weinstein said that was really interesting about this? Is it Brett or Eric? I always think it's Eric. Brett and Eric. They're brothers. They're brothers. They both have been on my podcast. Oh, wow.

Eric is a mathematician who works for Peter Thiel. Yeah, I like that guy. And Brett is the professor from Evergreen College that got the day of absence where they made him quit because they were saying white people need to stay home. Everybody's like, that's so racist. He's also a Jew. Yes. Like the Jews.

He's super, super, super progressive too. It doesn't matter. The Jews didn't exactly have it easy. What he was saying that's interesting, he was saying that this is not just about that. It's also about subordination and that you're seeing this subordination play that's taking place. And that a lot of these men, like the way they're behaving, they're behaving to be subordinate. They're being obedience trained. Yeah.

And they're giving into it to show that you shouldn't punish me because I'm on your side. Because they're terrified of the women that are wielding this power now. Yeah, but I got a theory. And they're wielding it wildly. I got a theory about that, bro. What's that theory, bro? Well, men, historically, when you create a bunch of quiet resentment, it turns into loud violence. Men are really good at, you got to be careful about emasculating men wholesale because I always worry that it's very

easy to whip them up when you got the right circumstances and the right leader. And men like to organize and they like to fight and they like to fight back. And that's what makes them feel significant when they've been emasculated. And I don't think it's, you know, that's the expression punishment doesn't change behavior. It just suppresses it. Well, do you know that in the turn of the century, not this one, but the last, there was a giant bachelor culture in america where men just didn't they had just gotten through like a lot of it was like in the 20s too like and after the depression it was like the burden of having a family was just too much it wasn't attractive

to them and there was a bunch of men that gravitated towards pool halls. And in the early 1900s in New York City, there was more than 900 pool halls in New York City. Damn. Just stop and think of that. Damn. More than 900 pool halls. And there was all these men that would just go there and they would hang out. And they were like, fuck that life. And they just didn't want to have a part of it because it was too brutal.

It was too hard. All this country would need for this thing to flip on its fucking ass, all they would need is legalized prostitution. And guys would be like, wait, hold up. Wait a minute. Hold on. I definitely love you. I definitely love you.

But wait a minute. Wait a minute. What am I signing? What is this? If people found out that they could just get sex anytime they wanted if they had $100. Like if you have $100, you can get sex. You can get sex with a pretty girl and it's clean and you don't have to worry about it. People would be outraged.

Like, well, how am I going to have power over this man if I can't control his sex? I only have him locked. Otherwise, we're just friends. See, if we're just friends I can't have half his money. I can't tell him what to do I can't tell him when to be home, but let me ask you a question We have to live together Yeah

And I have to control his sex if we live together and then I control his sex then I have all this power But if they were in a situation where legalized prostitution was just like grocery stores or is just everywhere What what would the First of all, the amount of hoes would probably be the same. It's like... They'd just be a lot richer? Now they're just doing it

like under the table. It's hard to get away with it. They can get raided. There's sneakiness. There's all this, you know, they have gold diggers instead of hoes. Some girls would just go

straight into hoeing. Yeah, but here's my question. Do you think men are more interested in sex or admiration? There's both. They want to be admired, right? But they get fake admiration from the hoes. Yeah, but they also know- I say hoes with all due respect.

They know it's fake, though. Like, I think men- Some of them don't care, dude. I think men want to be admired more than anything else. They do. They do. They want their dick to be the biggest, even if it's a mushroom cap. Just make all the noise, please, and let me know I'm King Kong.

And that's why, and you stick to the woman. A lot of times you'll stick to that one woman who you know has got your back no matter what. She just loves your ass. Sure, but you're talking about a guy who finds that. There's a lot of people out there that don't find that. And for them, legalized prostitution. Right next to Bolero. Hop on in.

Get your dick sucked. Right next to Panera Bread. Panera Bread. Sandwich and a dick suck. Get a grilled cheese and tomato soup. Get your dick sucked. Right next to Panera Bread. Sandwich and a dick suck. Get a grilled cheese and tomato soup. Get your dick sucked. Like, it would change, like, what people need. Like, why are you dating?

Are you dating specifically for sex? Or are you dating because you want companionship? Like, are you too consumed with work? And are you busy all day and you just like to hang out with your friends, but you get horny? Yeah. Because we have a solution for you. Yeah. And if that was the case, I'm not saying that relationships wouldn't be the same.

What I'm saying is there's a lot of relationships that wouldn't be the same. Dude, I think you're onto something. My buddy, you know Stevie Blue Eyes? Sure. He was like, he would have stayed in jail if he had access to women. Because he was hanging out with all his friends. He was like, it was the fucking best. That's hilarious.

It was the best. He goes, all we do is fuck around, laugh all day, lift weights. And, you know, the food kind of sucks, but you're all laughing and you're all in a shitty situation. Everybody gets along. He goes, if I had girls, if I had access to women, I would not have left. That's hilarious. This is in Fort Dix, too, like, you know,

the biggest federal penitentiary in the world. I'm obviously torn on prostitution because I don't want anybody that I know's kids or my kids to go into prostitution. But I also don't think anybody should tell people that something that's completely legal to do for free is illegal to charge money for. Like, there was some gay male escort that came out today. There was, I put it on my Twitter about, like, just let these fucking people

have sex. Like, some gay male escort was talking about the priests at the Vatican and he's, like, naming names. I fucked that guy. I fucked him.

I fucked him. He wants to suck my dick. I fucked him. And, you know, it was talking about them being hypocritical. Like, yeah, they're definitely hypocritical.

Let these fucking people have sex. This is crazy. Like, your system doesn't work. Yeah. If they just let them have sex and let them have male escorts, just leave them alone. Satan, that's fine. Just as long as you believe in Jesus still, yeah. Just like dick.

I believe in Jesus, but I love dick. Okay, well, Jesus must have put that love for dick in you. Jesus put that love for dick in your heart. Well, that is the truth. Sure. Right? Must have. I mean, the truth is... It's a complicated thing, right? Because then where do you... So, like...

We have these urges, and a lot of them are not very productive. Uh-huh. Right? So, you want to have sex with all... You want to have sex with everybody you can, or whatever it might be, but you know that that's not viable because there are just certain trade-offs to that. Well, you know, the viable alternative is ex machina. You have these AI robot fuck dolls that live in your house, but the problem is they probably get too smart and then they kill your real wife, you know? The algorithm. Yeah, and they figure out a way to convert your sperm into babies.

They figured out a way to create an actual digital womb. That's a good idea for a movie, dude. Well, it's Ex Machina. That movie. Did you see that? No. Oh my God. It's one of my all-time favorite movies. Yeah, one of my top 20 all-time favorite movies. I'm obsessed with Black Mirror. It's basically an

hour and 45 minute Black Mirror. Wow machina is amazing yeah I do love Black Mirror it's awesome but ex machina is actually even more intense it's a really well done movie about AI and it's it has very few cut the shit scenes like when you're when you're watching it you're like whoa like all of this could be possible 100% yeah yeah it's really good i want to tell you any more it's really good i'll watch it yeah it's it's the shit and it's also yeah that would be the move what do you think of it i mean it's terrified it's gonna eat us you think what do i think how about this um boston dynamic makes those fucking robots that you can't kick over do you know you know those

things yeah and they are they're funded by DARPA. And DARPA makes a robot called the Eater Robot. E-A-T-R Robot. And the Eater Robot literally eats biological material. I'll spell that out for you. It's fucking people. It eats dead people on the battlefield to fuel itself. What? It is an actual working concept of a fucking robot that eats dead people for fuel.

Yes. E-A-T-O. Well, it can eat hay and maybe sticks and rabbits. Maybe it'll eat a rabbit. It's going to eat people, you fuck. Wait, wait, wait. That's so scary. Autonomous Tactical Robot Eater Project. It's from a DARPA. It's going to eat people, you fuck. Wait, wait, wait. Autonomous Tactical Robot Eater Project.

It's from DARPA. Yeah. What's DARPA? What are you highlighting there? What's DARPA? It's in a video. Oh, it's a video. I'm looking at the cursor doing that.

I'm like, why are you highlighting DARPA? What's DARPA? Yeah, DARPA is, I forget the something research. It's all military shit. DARPA is- Eater robot? Yes. Come on, man.

Yeah, it's a real thing. Yeah, it's a real thing that the same people that are making those boston dynamic robots you know you see the one recently that it bounces it pulls up to the side of a wall and then bounces over the wall like 13 feet in the air no lands on top of a building it could land on the roof of a building come on man from the bottom and hop all the way up to the video of that yeah second story building two-story building it leaps literally from the ground all the way to the top this shit writes itself it's all on wheels so it writes itself perfectly every time that's so scary dude it's so bananas and all this stuff is happening like while people are paying attention to kim kardashian's ass even jamie. Jamie's like, oh, Kim Kardashian called out

the Yeezy Mafia today. Dude, you like your Kim Kardashian, huh? He is, he loves celebrity gossip. I did an episode of How I Met Your Mother, and she was there, and we were, like, her dressing room was right next to mine, and she was on set, and she didn't look like what I thought she was. She didn't have

any makeup. She's pretty and all, but it was just like, I didn't even know that it was her. I was like, I think that's Kim Kardashian. I'm not sure. She's a person. She's a person. We've made a bizarre choice to spend a tremendous, and me included, spend a tremendous amount of time thinking about a person that really doesn't do a thing.

Like they just live. That's what's weird. They've tapped into this extreme desire for gossip in some weird crazy way where they do all these wacky things in life where you can't take your eyes off of them and they always have something new going on but they don't do anything so now she got wise though and married a guy who does a thing yeah she married kanye west right he's a giant cultural thing yeah so then now it becomes more legit. Now the whole empire is really solidified. They've added some fucking sand to the cement.

It's ambition, right? It's ambition. It's just like this strange. It's definitely that. There's ambition, but there's also this, they've figured out how to juke the system. They've figured out how to shuck and jive and make their way in with no singing,

no dancing, no art, no comedy. Well, you have lots of money. I think I have money, you know, but do you do anything different than you did, like, besides not worry so much about what a car's going to cost, but what do you do that's luxurious? I don't really do much, man. I dress. This is how I dress. I know.

I dress normal. I work. I work out. I go running. What do you do? Is there any vice you like? You like bow hunting? It's not a vice, though. That's where I get my meat. No, but I mean, this work out, I go running. What do you, do you, is there any vice you like? You like bow hunting? It's not a vice though.

That's where I get my meat. No, but I mean, this is what I mean. It's like, I don't spend, right. I have my stand up. I like to box. I like to, uh, you know, the things I do don't take that much money. They take a lot of time and energy. I think if you wanted to travel and you wanted to go on some big time adventures, which I

have decided I'm really interested in doing some adventures some year especially like hunting adventures i like to go to new zealand dude you got my buddy's got a farm in new zealand we should go to his farm i would love to i'd love to go to i want to bow hunt in alaska in the yukon he kills wild goats on his property they're wild huh what kind of goats i don't know but they're wild he's got new zealand's insane new zealand is really like an experimentation in invasive species because everything is invasive. They have red stag that are from Europe. And they have all these axis deer. Huge red stag.

Actually, I don't know if they have axis deer. He's got huge red stag on his property that he shoots. They're insane. Yeah. They have some immense animals there. And they don't have any predators. So they have these crazy seasons where you can just shoot things all the time oh there's a wild goat look at her cool horns on that

thing man yeah that's what he shoots fuck that's amazing look at that thing i know it's like uh the ripples of a jellyfish when it's in the water if you want to go we can go look at that fucking horns on that thing that's a new zealand wild goat huh wow those those horns are beautiful look at the coat on that thing too what an amazing animal i know they're smart i was watching a thing online about these guys that were uh hunting for bighorn sheep you know and they were uh in the rocky mountains hunting for rocky mountain bighorn sheep with a bow and arrow yeah, and I was looking at these things I'm like what a crazy animal remember we saw them when we're in Montana and Rinella was pointing out the size of their balls Yes, cuz they have like church bell balls. Dude. They have they're so athletic to kick each other in the balls

They do they kick each other in the balls when they were learning they're like be like jockeying for attention They headbutt each other which is why they have those antlers in the first place And then they walk up behind each other and lift their feet up and kick each other in the balls. Damn, I didn't see that. Constantly. They crash into each other, though. It's incredible.

Oh, dude. And they're so athletic. I was up in Big Whiskey Mountain in Wyoming, me and my buddy hiking. And he just goes, he just points me. And there were just seven of them, a row of them. And they are fucking huge. Huge. 300 pounds. Yeah, giant animals.

Yeah, look at these fuckers. What a cool animal, too. Like, when you look at the... Thing's got some balls on it. The horns on their head. Boom! Whoa. And look at the sack once they collide. Look at the sack on the right. Just swinging. How crazy that they don't have any head trauma.

Well, they're probably dumb as fuck. I mean, seriously. What do they have to do? I smell mountain lion. Run. They're not doing algorithms. Yeah, I mean, their food is right in front of their fucking stupid face all the time. Here it goes. Boom! Wow. And they snap into it, too.

It's not like they're running with their head down. They're putting all this extra emphasis in. They're trying to make it uncomfortable for the other dude. The crazy thing is when you see two bucks like they're running with their head down. No, they snap. They're putting all this extra emphasis in. They're trying to make it uncomfortable for the other dude. The crazy thing is when you see two bucks and their horns get tied up together. That's crazy, but what's crazy about this is that they pause afterwards, so they must get their bell rung. I would imagine, right? They crack, but look, they just stand there and they back up.

No one is like, bitch, I'll hit you again. And then I'll hit you again. You're right. Right. Watch what they do. They get dazed. They're like, it must be. Watch this. Boom.

And then they're both like, what is happening here? Oh, Jesus. They turn to sideways. Almost like they want to ignore the fact that the guy's there. Wow. Look at the sky. Dude, I wonder if they see cool shit. Like, look. Oh, I see angels. You see anything? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why don't I wonder if they see cool shit. Like, look.

Oh, I see angels. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why don't I see butterflies? They hallucinate. Fairies. See the fairies? His feet came up off the ground. Dude, they hit each other so hard.

But they just stop. Look, they hit each other and then they just chill. How weird is that? It's like they're getting off on it. It's like they're getting some kind of a high. I wonder if anybody's ever observed, like I wonder if there'd be a way to measure like certain neurotransmitters on them, like in action, like let them collide with each other and then figure out like what happens to the brain.

Like is there some burst of happiness that comes out of that? Didn't they talk about this in Concussion? Where they don't suffer from brain trauma or CTE actually. They don't get, you'd think that they would but male, the male rams don't have signs of CTE. Yeah, their brain is designed different than ours. Same as a woodpecker. Woodpecker's brain, they're fucking

They were in my yard. Is it their brain or the physiology of their skull? Well, it's both. But the way their brain is attached to the inside of the skull is different, it's the both, but the way their brain is attached to the inside of the skull is different. Yeah. Our brain's like barely attached. Our brain's like someone who's like not worried about anything bad going wrong. Well, it's all gelatinous. Like our spinal cord goes up in our brain and it's all one big sort of gelatinous mass, right? Yes. Well, we're just not sturdy. No. You know, we're just so weak in comparison to other animals. You know what it's like?

You remember when you shot your deer in Montana and we were cleaning it and dressing it and we're pulling on the skin. Yeah. You're grabbing that, which a lot of people

turn into jackets and pants and shit. That's what the Native Americans used to make clothes out of. And you're grabbing that hide and you're thinking, oh, this is so thick. Like, this shit is strong. Yeah. And you're grabbing that hide and you're thinking, oh, this is so thick. Like this shit is strong.

Yeah. And you're pulling on it. And then grab your bitch ass skin. We have toilet paper skin. I know. We got shitty skin. So nothing. You can nick it and it's a problem.

You got to put a bandaid on it. While we were cleaning that animal, when you were doing the ravine comer, I remember I sliced my finger open, just touched my finger with the blade and my finger squirting all over the place meanwhile I gotta really dig in to get to this meat

I gotta really cut through all this skin it's so hard yeah and then you get an infection like if you get a blister on your foot

and you're in the wilderness you know ooh you're fucked yeah you're fucked you know a lot of guys get you can die

because they wear new boots they go oh i got these new boots i'm going hiking this is awesome and then your feet just get fucked but also what bitches we are in the cold too we can't handle the cold oh yeah i got a some negative messages i remember on twitter when uh the episode of um meat eater came out when you and i were uh in montana and i was like don't plan on being comfortable. It's the cold. Oh, you fucking pussies. This is poor woodsmanship.

Like, hey, poor woodsmanship? Hey, I'm not a good woodsman. I'm a pussy. It's nine degrees outside. You just want me to suck it up? Oh, does that make you feel better if I just suck it up? How about if I say it sucks and then I suck it up? Hunting.

I remember just hearing you going, camping blows. I can hear you shaking. I can hear you shivering in the morning. I can hear you putting on your socks, hearing you going, camping blows. I could hear you shaking. I could hear you shivering in the morning. I could hear you putting on your socks and you go, almost to yourself, camping blows. But do you know what doesn't blow? When the camping's over. It's the best. Like, you have the best showers ever.

We have the greatest time, too, though. It's fun. It's all so much fun. We make each other laugh so hard. I think Rinella wants to go to Mexico with us. I want to go. You guys don't invite me anymore. I want to come. I told them. I told them the next one. Tell them to come. Because we did one

where we struck out. We went bow hunting for deer in Arizona last, not Arizona excuse me, Nevada last I think it was August. Nothing? Struck out. Was it cold or was it super hot? Very hot. Very hot.

100 degrees. Really? Yeah, yeah. So hot that if you shot an animal, there's a real concern about getting the meat back to camp as quickly as possible. Before it rots? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's fucking hot.

TJ Dillashaw told me he was up in the mountains of Nevada, and it was super cold. Oh, yeah. That was like, I don't know what time of year. Yeah, he was probably in a different season, and maybe for elk. Yeah, I think he was looking for deer. Well, there's always a bunch of seasons, too, right? There's early archery, which is what we were doing, which is where the animals are in velvet. So they've just finished growing their horns, and they're starting to scrape the velvet,

which is the outer skin, off of the bone. I didn't even know until really recently that antlers are literally bone. And an elk's antler, like those antlers right there, that's the fastest growing bone in the wild kingdom. Wow. The fastest growing thing in nature. Those antlers fall off every year. Really?

Yep. Every year. They weigh 30 pounds. Wow. Holy shit. Yeah, they're like 15 pounds each side of bone and it grows in a couple of months. What? Yep. That's nuts. Yeah. Like see if you can find a video. Did you see any, um, uh. The growth of, uh, um, elk antlers. When you were in Nevada, like in that 100 degree heat, did you see any other animals out there? Yeah, someone saw an elk. We saw a lot of like jackrabbits and stuff like that. They have a lot of rabbits. You have to be really careful with the rabbits too.

If you kill one and skin one, they have little mites and shit that will give you infections that you can die from. What? Like legitimately. See antlers? little mites and shit that will give you infections that you can die from like legitimately see antlers while antlers are growing they're covered in fuzzy skin called velvet yeah that's what they look like and they're in velvet is that what you so look at that real quick look how quick it doesn't have human growth hormone in it or i mean like yes yes the velvet from the antlers uh a lot of football players were taking it because it actually uh lets you grow growth hormone so look you can see it april 8th then april 15th, and then April 22nd.

Look how quick that shit's growing. That's crazy. That's fucking nuts. That's crazy. Seven days later, it's longer. What? Look at that, May 6th. It's fucking gigantic now.

That's nuts. Look at that, May 13th, May 20th, a week later. It's like a mushroom. A week later. It grows as fast as a fucking mushroom. Dude, that is crazy. A week later after that. And it's all, that's as a fucking mushroom. That is crazy. A week later after that. And it's all, that's nuts.

Nuts. That is nuts. July 1st. Look at that. Just a couple of months. July 8th. July 15th. Look at the size of that thing.

Okay. This must be a commercial elk farm that we're looking at because these elk are so big, like their antlers are so big, that that seems like, it seems like they're feeding in something. It's going to be hard to get that many pictures of the same one too. Yeah. That many times. Yeah, that must be a commercial. Let me pause right there.

Pause right there. Yeah, it is. If you saw that elk in the wild, you would shit your fucking pants. That would be the bull of all bulls. Why? Because of its antlers? Look at the size of the antlers on that thing. That thing has like 1, 2, 3, 4,

5, 6, 7, 8, 9 points on one side. And 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 points. It's a 9 by 9. That's crazy. Do females not have antlers? No, they don't have antlers. But every now and then a deer

female has antlers. Some freak bitch just likes to fight. Fucking some bull dyke, sort of dykey doe, just grows some antlers. Yeah, some guy shot one recently. Dykey doe. And they were all confused. It was white. It was a female, rather, and it had antlers.

And they're like, what is this? Yeah, but that shit grows every year. People go shed hunting. What would we hunt in Mexico? I don't know. Maybe deer. There's a lot of deer in Mexico. Sonora.

Sonora has a lot of mule deer. Isn't it kind of dangerous, though? Aren't there a bunch of... Don't be scared, homie.com. They're not going to fuck with you. What you got to worry about is, I mean, if you would go to their towns and cause problems. You went to their towns and were like, just say no to drugs. They're busy making drug money.

They don't have time to go looking for some asshole shooting a deer. Yeah, you're right. And there's ranches that you go to out there where they're normally hunting ranches. That's why people go there in the first place. And that would probably be like where you park your stuff and you drive in from Arizona. I went to Cancun and one of the guys who was there, a well-to-do guy, and I said, what about the cartels?

He goes, they own a lot of these resorts, dude. You're money for them. Don't worry about the cartels. Then I talked to a guy who had this amazing restaurant, and I said, what about the cartels? And he said, they come here. I said, what do you mean? He goes, they'll show up in a bunch of suvs they come they tip they say thanks i go they don't like extort money no the only time that happens is if you're selling drugs out of your

restaurant and if you're selling drugs out of your restaurant they want a piece otherwise you're fine it's all ingrained it's all like a whole it's it's a business yeah it's a business. Yeah, it's a business. Yeah. I was in Punta Mita and we took these golf carts. They let us take these golf carts to town. We're staying at this resort and you could leave the resort. And when you leave the resort, there is a stark contrast. Yes, sir. From safety and beautifully manicured lawns and landscaped grounds to we get out, we are maybe 100, 200 yards from the outside,

and we see a military base. It's a very small military base with two guys with bulletproof vests and helmets on holding, I don't know what kind of fucking high-powered rifle, are behind a metal plate that's attached to the top of a Jeep. So they literally are in like riot war type vehicles, fully armed, ready to go. So if anything went wrong, right over there, they drive in. So they're protecting this resort. Oh, they're protecting the resort?

That's what it's for. Fuck. They're protecting this resort. Oh, they're protecting the resort? That's what it's for. Fuck. They're there to protect all these wealthy people from Europe and America and wherever they fly in to stay at this resort. And I was like, whoa, this is crazy.

Because it makes sense. I mean, why else would that be there? It's there and they're like waiting outside the gate. waiting outside the gate. There's a great deal to be said about having institutions you can trust, like courts that can enforce contracts that are not corruptible. So in this country, if you buy a house, that piece of paper actually means something. Most countries, not so much. It's your private property, but somebody with a bigger gun can come and take it from you. Yeah, they can decide you did something wrong and they have to take it. Yeah, and that is the fundamental difference between our country still and a lot of other countries, including Mexico in some places. Well, that's what happened to that McAfee guy.

And where was it that he was at? Was it Costa Rica? Where was he? No, somewhere else. Remember that guy, the McAfee guy that came up with that virus software and then he went bananas and moved to some other country some tropical country What happened to me? Well, they accused him of murder Was it? Belize they accused him of murder and he had to flee the country and they took his land

Yeah, and he was like hey there they're railroading me. I gotta get the fuck out of here We actually talked to him on the podcast when he was on the lam He called me up on the phone Wow, and I did an interview with him on the podcast when he was on the lam. He called me up on the phone. Wow. And I did an interview with him on the lam. But that's what happens. Yeah. He was a, I mean, I guess he's living in America now, but he's like a bona fide wild man. Like there were, he denied these reports, but there's a forum where someone was taking photos of meth that they were making and explaining how they're re-engineering meth and making it better.

And they were saying that it was him. Damn. That he was the one who was doing that. So he's in Belize, got some fucking lab in his backyard. He denied the whole thing. So I don't know if it's true or not true. I think he said he was trolling. I'm like, okay.

Maybe. Right? Remember that, Jamie? It was something connected to, like, bath salts. Like, he figured out how to re-engineer bath salts and make them better. I don't know how people can... You know what's going to happen if you take... Nobody had a lot of problems, then took some meth, and they got better.

Here's my question, though. How many people are doing meth right, and we just don't hear about it? Yeah, meth labs and dead dogs. So the founder of McAfee Antivirus went on the run in Belize. Yeah. Meth. Meth labs. And what was it about the dogs? What did it say? So the founder of McAfee Antivirus went on the run in Belize. Meth. Meth labs. And what was it about the dogs?

What did it say? I don't know. What scroll back? And dead dogs. Oh, okay. Dead dogs. I don't know the story. He says he was trolling about the meth labs.

But it's entirely possible that dude was just partying his ass off in Belize. Somebody wind up accusing somebody of murder, and I think they wanted to question him. And he was like, fuck you. See ya. I think I'm going to move back to America. I tried this out. It's not fun, guys. It ain't happening. Yeah, I'll just blog about you for a couple of years.

What's he do for money? I don't know. He's got a lot of money, probably. Oh, he started McAfee Antivirus. I'm sure he's got millions of dollars. They took a lot of his cash, though. That's a huge problem. That's the problem with Russia and a lot of countries,

when the ruling elite has the power to do whatever they want, including kill you. Just take your house. This double agent in England today, London, he and his daughter are gravely ill, been poisoned. Yeah, they were a secret agent against Russia, right? Yeah, double agents, I guess. Don't do that. Well, you're gonna die.

Yeah. That seems like a bad job. Secret agent against Russia. That's a risky fucking job. Did you see Icarus? Have you seen that? Yes, I have. Your boy won an Oscar for that, didn't he? He did. And well-deserved. Do we know where that Russian scientist is?

I love that guy. That guy is under protection. He is right now under protective custody somewhere where they're worried about him being assassinated. Not only did they take all of his money, they took away his wife's house. They did in Russia? They're trying to turn

his family homeless. I think they're trying to pressure him into going back to Russia and giving himself up by making his family family homeless. I think they're trying to pressure him into going back to Russia and giving himself up by making his family essentially homeless. That's so awful. They're putting tremendous pressure on him. So they can't get his wife out or anything? Gregory

what is his last name? Gagero? He doesn't deserve that man. But I would have gotten my wife out. He couldn't apparently. She didn't want to listen. He was already couldn't, apparently. She didn't want to listen. He was already out of the country, and she didn't want to listen to him. And she didn't understand.

They were listening to his phone calls and his emails, and she didn't have a way. He didn't have a way of expressing to her. Like, hey, you've got to get the fuck out now. If he did that, they would have just come and scooped her up. There you go. No due process. Rodchan Gregory watching off the head of the Russian anti-doping laboratory it's an amazing documentary folks if you haven't seen it it's on

Netflix man but it just shows you like what it could be like in other countries like they don't play by the rules there's no rules he who has the power makes the rules that's right You're dealing with mafia, basically, organized badasses. Yeah, and there's a lot of people that would love it to be like that here. Oh, they would love it. I know. Because they have no idea of what history is about. Here's the thing.

If you want to use – if you want to be – if you don't want to believe in things like due process, integrity of courts and all those things, if you don't want to believe that you should have a right to criticize your government, I know it works for you right now because the person in power is on your side. But you're next. You're next as soon as the tables flip, and the tables always flip. So you are historically ignorant. There is a reason that the Founding Fathers thought through these things. They came from tyranny. And the genius of the Founding Fathers was those checks and balances and representative government. And it's such a radical idea that our leaders basically serve at our whim.

Now, that's all changing. Lawrence Lessig, you need to have on the podcast, who wrote Republic Lost. I talk about him all the time. Lawrence Lessig will tell you right now. He's at Harvard University. He's a law professor. And he said, your government does not represent you. Of the gerrymandered districts, all these districts are gerrymandered.

You know what that means? So the congressional districts are essentially, they're redrawn so that they favor one party or another. Do you understand? In terms of demographics? Sure. So a million Republicans in Massachusetts may as well not vote. They're never going to win. They're just not represented because the districts are so gerrymandered that it's always going to be typically a Democrat. That's one example. Okay. Of the 435 seats in Congress, the ones that aren't gerrymandered, the ones that actually where your vote actually counts, there are about 35 of those seats.

About 35 of the 435. I think that's the number. Just keep this in mind, too. Every fucking congressman that you know spends 30 to 70% of his or her time calling for money. Raising funds. 30%? 30 to 70% of their time. That's insane.

And they do it, and this has been well documented, in Republic Lost, in So Damn Much Money. There are some very good books that I've read on this. I've had Lessig on my podcast twice. You've got to have him on because he's fucking important. I'd be happy to. He's so important to listen to. How do you spell his name?

Lawrence and then Lessig. S-L-E-S-S-I-G. And he does an amazing job. He's got a great TED Talk. You can listen to it for 20 minutes. That's all it is. And just listen to him talk about how democracy doesn't work the way it does with money and politics now. And he talks about campaign.

When you even say campaign finance reform, everybody zones out. Those words are exhausting. I'm like, oh, Jesus. But he opens the book with this fucking amazing Thoreau quote. And he talks about, if you want to talk about the problems in this country, in our democracy. And this Thoreau quote is, I see men everywhere hacking at the branches of evil while none are striking at the root. It's a great fucking quote, right? Damn, Thoreau had some good ones.

Yes, he had some good ones. Because some of those, that and my other favorite mark twain quote uh loyalty to my country always to my government only when it deserves it it's two really cool quotes but you know he does a really good job of saying that 35 seats really matter and those the only the ones that matter were those the only districts worth voting you know where it makes sense to vote where if you're if you're a republican or a Democrat, wear that to contested seat. But then those congressional candidates or those ones who are in the seats already, they have to raise money to stay in power. So they're talking to their donors. And their fundraisers are the ones that are telling them what kind of issues they better hit on if they want the big donors.

That's so crazy. Yeah, man. What a goofy system. It's a crazy. Yeah, man. So if he system it's a crazy system You know what's interesting though? The system has affected the place where we came from like what if the United States didn't take off from Europe? What if we didn't bail and start this thing up over here? What would it be like over there? Yeah, because what it was like over there was a bunch of kings and queens and shit That's right and had been like that forever. That's right. And now it's kind of they have a queen, but it's bullshit.

You know, there's one prince who's getting married that people seem to give a fuck about. I don't get it. You know what George Washington said, right, when they wanted to make him king? He said, I didn't fight this revolutionary war to become George II. And George, King George, was the king over there. And when King George found out that George Washington refused the kingship and said, no, I'm a president and I will serve a term. And, you know, I'll go back to Monticello or wherever he's from. Was that Jefferson or whatever? Either way, he said, or Mount Vernon.

He said, King George said, if he said that, he's the greatest man to ever live. In fact, he rejected power, but that's what George Washington said. I fought, I fought against. What's amazing is that it's affected there. Like they go, Oh,

this works better. Like, but, but how did it set in over there? That's what's fascinating. Like, how did it eventually, like they gave up power to sort of emulate the West.

Well, the British always had a tradition of this. So way before the Revolutionary War, way before the American experiment, there was always, in fact, I think it started with Henry VIII, there was always a contentious debate about how much power the king should have versus parliament, how much power the king should have versus the land of gentry, versus the aristocracy. It was always that issue.

But it's kind of hilarious that the king doesn't have to show any merit. They didn't rise through the ranks by hacking their way through a river of enemy. They didn't just figure out a way to bring prosperity to the land and some people voted them as king. Well, actually, it's actually fascinating that this small island of pale people basically controlled almost the entire world.

And one of the things that's given credit is that the British had this sort of religious idea almost. It was called the great chain of being. And the great chain of being was you have God at the top. King is second place. Then you have the aristocracy, then you have the nobility, the land of gentry, and then the serfs. And for you to aspire out of your place, your God-given place, for you to say, I may be an aristocrat or a noble or a land of gentry, but someday I'm going to be the king.

That would be considered fucking heresy. That would be the equivalent of you saying, I think white people are better than black people today. I mean, you just didn't do it. Someone's going to take that and use it as a quote. Yeah, exactly. You're going to get in trouble. I know. I know.

They're going to isolate it. You can't even say that. You have to pause in between each one, say other words. Yeah, God. You have to speak in code. No! You're right. I worry about that stuff.

But you would not. Yeah, you couldn You have to speak in code. You're right. I worry about that stuff. But you would not... Yeah, you couldn't do it. But that created an incredible order. And it created a very, very good system to get shit done. When people all were in their place doing their duty, it was very easy to organize. Right. But not to innovate. Not to take big, giant changes like America has done.

No, but the Brits were great innovators because they- They did fine. But what I'm saying is they don't have the freedom that they had over here. If you don't have a caste system, you have the ability to rise from the bottom to the top. Now we're here. That's right. Like that is what is most attractive about America. Yes. Potential. Potential. That's why we haven't had revolutions. That's why we don't have the poor confiscating the wealth of the rich because the poor have to

believe they're going to be rich yeah that's a huge that's a huge issue now i have a lot of friends that have come over from england man and they just talk about that like how you could actually do something here and people are supportive yeah they don't shoot you down like he said there's a thing that happens over there where they, they don't want to see anybody succeed. They try to put you in your place and they try to downplay the possibility of your success. Right.

Right to your face. It's very gauche to try to aspire to something. And yeah, Scandinavia has the same issue. It's, it's old Europe thinking, right? It's,

it's, it's, um, that's gotta be exhausting. It's why when a lot of France started talking about taxing the rich 75% of their income, it was met with a great deal of support because it wasn't workable, but it was, you know, there's always been a real suspicion in Europe of people with too much money because they become aristocracy and they become oppressive.

Well, that's echoed by what you're hearing today about the elite, the one percenters, you know? Yeah. The problem with wealth inequality in this country. It's called Marxism. Wealth inequality, man. It's called a march. We're dealing with cultural Marxism and, you know, that's always going to be there. That's always going to be there. It's a very easy good guy, bad guy thing.

What people don't realize is that wealth is always changing. So you don't start wealthy. A lot of people started poor. Then they got wealthy. Then they lost their money. They got wealthy again. There is, however, a concentration of a great deal of wealth in very few hands. of a great deal of wealth in very few hands.

You know, if you look at Google, Amazon, and Apple, and Facebook, I think they only employ about 500,000 people total, and they have so much wealth. So, you know, the question is, what do we do about universal income? Yeah, it's crazy. And I think this is all going to come to a head with AI. I really do. I think things are going to be automated in a way that... So nobody has a job?

Yeah, I think it's going to eliminate all driving jobs. I think things are going to be automated in a way that... So nobody has a job? Yeah. I think it's going to eliminate all driving jobs. I think that's within 20 years of our life. We're going to be looking back at driving your own car the way we look back at drum brakes. I know. So now what? What do we do with human beings? That's a good question. Very good question. With an outdated piece of machinery. Very good question. Like,

is it manufacturing that we need robots for? And maybe there's other things other than driving. Manufacturing and driving. Maybe there's other things that people would be cashiers. You're not going to have cashiers. Yeah, you're right. You put your tray into a, you know, thing.

Burger flipping robot. Flippy starts shift at Cali Burger. There you go. They've got a burger flipping robot. That's fucking great. So who's going to get a perfect burger? You're not going to have some kid talking about pussy, forgetting about your burger.

You get an overcooked burger. Yeah. Right? There you go. So if that's the case, then it seems to me that we are, we have to figure out what to do with all this leisure time, but we have to pay people. It could be real weird, man. I think it's one of those things that's creeping up on us, sort of like the internet creeped up on us. Like the internet came and out of nowhere, all of a sudden sudden everyone had access to any answer to any question

you ever wanted you could watch videos on anything you could learn how to do anything online i mean there's a youtube video where you can learn basically how to crochet you could learn how to tan your own leather you could learn how to build a bomb you can fucking do anything you could just constantly be taking in information that That's just the beginning. I think one day within the next 10, 20 years, they're going to have everything automated. Before it's artificial intelligence, it's just going to be a super efficient robot that can do whatever task you program it to do. It's going to be way better at it than people. It would be pointless to have a person do that thing. And then we've got to decide what to do with all these people.

And there's going to be a lot of us. A lot. There's going to be a lot of us. It's be pointless to have a person do that thing. And then we've got to decide what to do with all these people. And there's going to be a lot of us. It's called the jobocalypse. So what do we do? Is that what they're calling it? Yeah. Because 47% of... What is it? Humility is the new smart? There's this book about this. 47% of all

jobs that we know of now, at least in this country, are going to be obsolete in the next 20 years do you think we adapt yes human beings are yeah we'll adaptable i hope we just get more creative i hope people start doing things more with their hands already are yeah we already are i mean there's there's more access to expressing yourself the problem is it becomes like the cult of the amateur where you just got a lot of bullshit out there. But I do think that we will be in a place. Well, like, you know, if you look at where philosophy. So what was it?

The rise of European Western civilization. What the fuck was it? Oh, anyway, if you look at like how the Greeks were able to export timber, wine, and olive oil, it gave their economy some money and they had leisure time. They didn't have to live on subsistence. They could trade for things that they needed as opposed to making them themselves. Ancient Greece was fairly wealthy in comparison, and it gave a large sector of their population, at least the richer population, time to do things like not be in the fields all day, but rather time to sit around, eat, and think and talk. Right.

Write books. Sure, which is probably where a lot of, like, Socrates and Plato and Aristotle benefited from, right? Sure. So you wonder, like, as we get to a point where we don't have to do so much, it becomes very easy to keep our bodies in homeostasis, right? Keep our bodies at the right temperature. And we just need a certain amount of food and shelter. And then look at how cheap entertainment is.

I mean, look at Netflix. I mean, it's $10 a month. You can watch anything you want. All day, forever. Sure. So then, like, what do we do man what do we do with our time well we we didn't have to think about what we're going to do from 1820 to 2020 we didn't have to think about it it just sort of happened yeah and i think that's going to

happen as well but i think we're going to have to adjust obviously the advice we give to children as far as what's necessary and what's not necessary i don't know what what to tell my kids. I don't know what to tell your kids either. That's the thing. They're going to have to figure it out as they go along, but they've got to be flexible. You know? You've got to be flexible. I also think, and this is why I've been thinking this a lot lately, I think we have to move. I think California is over fucking populated, and I think it's going to get to a point in

our lifetime where it's not a smart place to be. Really? Yeah. There's way too many people i mean you know you go to the airport all the time yeah you know that drive i had to do it the other day at eight o'clock in the morning i was like this is hilarious or you'll get to a point where you don't have to fly you won't have to fly you'll get to a point where that's true but there's the sheer number of people if anything goes wrong yeah all in this one spot it's just not

wise it doesn't feel good yeah i know what spot it's just not wise it doesn't feel good yeah i know what you mean i always feel unsafe it doesn't feel good it feels like people aren't that valuable they're everywhere they're we're infested we're supposed to go to a place with less i think that's who it was the futurist who said you got to learn how to learn unlearn and relearn and that's how we're going to survive in the fucking 21st century well i'm not really worried about people to survive and i think we're we're gonna be okay in that regard as long as we don't get hit by anything like we don't get Putin or we don't get hit by an asteroid or we don't get hit by a super volcano which

are all all those things are actually really possible I mean no one wants to think that we could get attacked by Russia but frickin for sure we can all sorts of weird scenarios can present themselves in this wacky life with a bunch of things falling into place in the wrong way. All of a sudden you've got World War II. It's happened. I mean, that's just the nature of humans. And if we deny the past, yeah, that was then. We're different now.

If we don't look at this rationally, we can realize, like, how precarious we are. Now, that is just one thing that we can kind of control. Hopefully human beings can control their impulses to fucking hit the button yeah but there's that thing that uh nalim taseb and what's his name nassim taleb yeah who talks about the black swan so know that there's always a black swan know that the aberration know that history is full of things you never saw coming. Hitler. Hitler, the financial crisis, the housing crisis. It goes on and on, and history is full of that. Most wars start as a weekend skirmish,

and people kind of leave for the weekend, leave all their stuff, and it's going to be over. And before you know it, it's a 30-year civil war that's happened in Lebanon. That's where Taleb's from. So you've got to at least know that you're not gonna be able to predict the future but know that they're the unpredictable always be present and will always take what you took to be reality and flip it on its fucking head and i think robotics and i think ai are certainly you know that tidal wave do you worry at all about superpower

struggles between like the United States and China, the United States and Russia? Way less only because I think that there's less, there's less profit in violent warfare. It just doesn't profit anybody. There's way more profit in trade and dealing with, you know, you're going to have issues like this tariff issue, but for the most part,

so the biggest advantage is that there isn't a whole lot of advantage for a country to take over territory because that's not what makes you wealthier so if Russia came in and took over Silicon Valley there's nothing to take over doing that I think but I was typically what you're dropping a bomb somewhere what they're saying is essentially that they're not talking about invading the United States. That's ridiculous. Yeah. They would never do that.

The real question is would, unless they nuked us first. But why would they drop a bomb? Well, there might be some reason why they feel backed into a corner. They have a lot of financial interest in the United States. Sure. Yeah. It's not likely unless they feel like there was some way where they would benefit extremely well from having us debilitated.

It's not likely because we would attack back and that's mutually assured destruction, right? Yeah. But the fact that a person could make the decision whether or not to do that or whether or not that's logical, and you're relying on a person who's essentially a murderous dictator running this fucking crazy half-assed government over there. I mean, what is he doing over there? I mean, just from what you know about Russia's state-sponsored doping program, what that guy did, went straight up to Putin. Everybody knew what the fuck they were doing.

They were doing it on purpose. I mean, that's a crazy country, man. It's crazy. And it's 2018, and it's still crazy. Well, it's run by one idea, which is might makes right. That the male with the biggest club is the male that calls all the shots. That's a big concern with me. But my real big concern are natural things.

Yeah, me too. Pandemics, pandemic virus. Nuclear accidents. Nuclear accidents. And earthquakes. Earthquakes, the big one for me, super volcano. That is an inevitable reality

that we're going to have to face one day, whether it's 100 years from now or it's 10 years from now. Yellowstone is going to blow. They don't know when, but it could be any time. And it could take out the entire continent. The whole continent, yeah.

If the Yellowstone blows, they say every 6,000 to 800,000 years, it's a continent killer. It just blows and everybody's fucked. And the last time it happened was 600,000 years ago. So it might be 200,000 years before it happens again. And who knows? We might figure out how to drill a hole in there and pop it like Dr. Pimple Popper.

You ever see that Instagram page? Sure have. She drills a hole in there like a pimple and squirts all that lava out. And maybe it's okay. Get out of here, yeah. Maybe that'll keep it from blowing up. But if it blows, dude,

they have thousands of earthquakes there a year. Thousands. Thousands. Just constantly moving and rumbling. There's just loose crust and underneath

is this gigantic reservoir of melting rock. Melted rock. Really? Melted rock that shoots into the fucking sky. It's giant, too. The very blood of the earth. Oh oh it's so big they didn't even know it was a volcano until like i think it was 20 maybe 20 years ago they started doing overhead uh satellite photos and they're like oh jesus and they they

thought it was just like a hotbed of you know geosolar activity or what it would be not geosolar um geothermal geothermal activity you know they had old faithful would spray water up in the sky and they realized oh there's something going on underneath the surface and then they got these satellite photos and they realized holy shit this is a this is a crater this thing is a crater that used to be a mountain that exploded and I want to say it's something like how wide is the called I don't want to mess this up I think you want to say it's like 600 kilometers wide yeah it's an enormous for the earth that we know is molten lava there's a bunch of shit down there and it's not good. What is it? Okay, no, it's 35

miles, 50 mile long. The thing is weird that you can, that there are so many different kinds of realities, so the reality that if you go up into the stars, it's a different reality. And if you go way in the microscopic level, it's a totally different reality. Then you can go to the subatomic level.

Look at this, the region's most recent caldera forming eruption was 640 000 years ago creating the 35 mile wide 50 mile long yellowstone caldera okay i fucked up the distance but still that's pretty goddamn big so a 50 mile long 35 mile wide volcano that just blows up to the point where the top's not there anymore and just shoots off shit a mile into the sky and then you get nuclear winter all over the globe and anything even remotely near it gets cooked instantly.

Is that right? Oh yeah, you're fucked. So we're all dead. Oh, we're dead as fuck. We're dead as fuck. If Yellowstone blows, we don't have a chance. We'll be dead in a couple of weeks. The people I've talked to that kind of like they'll lose a leg to a shark or something, and they end up dying, they pass out. They all said that it was super peaceful.

They just got this overwhelming sense of peace, and they were like, oh, I'm going to die now. Oh. Yeah. Yeah, that's the brain the brain's pumping out that dopamine and dimethyltryptamine and all these different things to try to transition you yeah but like existence is a weird thing what do you think happens i don't know man well when you go my feeling is that talking to this quantum physicist this badass dude um i feel like there must be this idea that existence is a question of he was talking about existence is a question of the question what

question you're asking and where are you standing so there there are different forms of existence right so there are different forms of reality like uh there's the subatomic reality there's the newtonian reality that you can measure and see. We're here. If I was looking at Los Angeles from a plane, that's a different perspective. It might be a different kind of reality. He kind of like said most physicists, he was trying to explain what existence is, right, and how it's meaningless. And I was like, what the fuck are you talking about?

He was talking about mathematics. He said, well, this is a reality to us because of where we are standing and the space-time continuum that we are occupying right now. So we are here and all that you are experiencing may very well not even be a reality right over in this direction. So I said, what the fuck do you mean? That's what dudes say when they sit around with legal papers all day and they write a bunch of shit and nobody fucks them. Well, that's what I mean. And I go, what the fuck are you talking about? And he said, he's going to win a Nobel Prize.

And he said, okay, I guess the best way to put it is, think of you having uh virtual reality goggles on and you know people are splashing water on you as you're in the water and you're getting rocked back and forth i guess that's the best way to describe what you what you consider to be your reality i was like all right all right maybe i don't know. Maybe. Maybe. But they seem to be able to prove a lot of this. Like what's fascinating to me is, I didn't know how to get into this, but like he was talking about how electrons can communicate with each other like on a sheet of metal and they don't see each other.

Like in terms of the electrons, they're light years away, but they completely all work together. And he was talking about how there's a mathematical way of proving. Hall's theorem is a mathematical sort of algorithm that proves that they are. The answer to that is that there's an invisible conductor. Like something, a higher intelligence, an emergent intelligence, is dictating that communication. An intelligence or an order?

An order. Right, but not intelligence as we would think about. So intelligence is the wrong way to say it, and he said that to me too, because I said intelligence and he said order. And you're right. So there's an order, right? So there's an order to the chaos. Right. Right?

So the way schools of fish, but, you know, schools of fish and birds. Birds, foxes, birds. Guess what else behaves that way? Inner matter. Yeah. Electrons. Why? Well, that's one of the things that they think is going on with birds.

It's one of the reasons why birds have some sort of internal compass and that they literally react. Hive mentality? They react to the poles of the earth. Like they know when migrating birds, they know which way to go. Yeah. Like they really do somehow or another, but they also know not to fly into each other. Like when you see them all flying together and they move in tandem.

Yes. It's insane. It's gorgeous. It's insane. It's gorgeous. But you know, your brain is the same way. So the neurons, there's no reason, it makes no sense that the neurons, so each neuron is just essentially an on off switch or a, you know, it's a, whatever it is.

But for whatever reason, all of those neurons have self-organized who organized them they self-organized okay that's what's fascinating and the way your brain has self-organized so has this sheet of metal and he kind of proved he sat around and i think he's 38 or 39 and he and he solved this this theorem called hall's It took them three years to make sure he was right. Don't you think that happens when there's like a big mass event, like mob mentality? Don't you think that's part of what is going on with mob mentality? That things happen and things can get chaotic and people just go with it. They go with it in mob.

And I think the origin of that is probably survival instincts in war. That in war, you have to accept unbelievably barbaric reality. And so you have to be able to slide into that. We're killing everybody with axes. Let's go. And then everybody else

is doing it. I guess I'm in. And then you start hacking people up. Well, you would never do it by yourself if it was just totally up to you but you find yourself getting caught up in the wave where the the human hive is moving but all these people are moving towards violence or moving towards chaos like people get wrapped up in these mob mentality moments in a very very big well you can also go you can actually you can step back from that and actually uh you can explain that actually when you look at bacteria certain bacteria and certain insect colonies and let me explain so somebody like antonio demasi who is a behavioral

scientist who wrote a fucking great book but but very dense, called The Strange Order of Things. And he talks about how human beings behave in a certain way, like their feelings are directly related to their biology. Because their feelings are essentially the voices or the mechanism by which you know whether or not to bring your body back into homeostasis when it's out of homeostasis, when it's out of this homeodynamic actually state, right? So in other words, that mob is probably going in there with axes because they perceive, the feelings are they perceive a threat from that other group because that other group is going to take something from them okay it's going to either take their resources their children whatever it might be and take over their

territory so so watch bacteria actually behave the exact same way and you can put bacteria into certain like um and there's a scientist who does this a lot you can put them into certain conditions where the bacteria will behave like that they'll do some fascinating things. Not only will they fucking take over the other bacteria and go out into an all-out war and kill mercilessly the other bacteria, but sometimes when they find they can't kill that bacteria, they'll actually cooperate with that bacteria. Now, how about this? Within the ranks of their own bacteria, the bacteria that are not pulling their weight, that tend to be lazier than the other bacteria, even though they're the same species,

those bacteria will be fucking shunned. They'll be pushed out. Like people. Like people. They're the weak link. Insects, if you look at insect colonies, they behave very much like human cultures do you got uh an ant that's protecting the queen ant or a bee that's protecting the queen bee you have soldiers that do the the fighting you have workers that do the working and they self-organize in this

incredible way and nobody's really no it's not like it's somebody, it's not a top-down thing. It's sort of a genetically programmed thing. But their behavior is very similar. Their behavior, so even with bacteria, when they can't beat this bacteria, they'll join forces with that bacteria to defeat the other bacteria that's weaker. And it's fascinating. So even on the unicellular level, you see striking similarities between humans and even bacteria. Now, add to that the fact that only one in ten of your cells as a human being is actually human, and the rest is bacteria. In fact, you as a human might be the patina. You're just the patina on a background of bacteria.

So maybe bacteria is dictating how the fuck you behave. Well, the bacteria is also on the outside. Inside and outside. Skin floor is incredibly important. Yes. That's why I always recommend people eat probiotics. It's one of the things that helps you with diseases. And then natural oil soaps, non-antibacterial soaps.

That's very important. So that's right. So keeping your, your biodome in order, which is the new science might also be dictating your very behavior. I think it does. I think when I eat healthier and I eat a lot of probiotics, I feel like more at ease.

I feel more comfortable. I heard you have to be careful with probiotics because you can throw off your gut level too. Well, what are you eating though? I'm eating it in food. I've decided a long time ago that you can take some probiotic pills and stuff like that. And I definitely take some when I'm on the road. I bring that on at Total Gut Health because when I'm on the road, I don't know what the fuck I'm eating.

I want to make sure I'm getting good food. But when I'm at home, I eat a lot of fermented vegetables. I've been to a lot of that. I eat kimchi like almost every day. Well, because you're an extremist and I know you do. I eat a lot of fermented vegetables. That's good. I've been to a lot of that. I eat kimchi like almost every day. Well, because you're an extremist and I know you do. But it is good. If you feel good, then you feel good. I drink a lot of that shit.

That kombucha is fucking phenomenal. That GT's kombucha. I heard somebody in my family got endometrial cancer and the doctor said, the surgeon who deals with this exclusively said do me a favor just don't drink these for a while whoa and she goes why and he said I can't prove this yet but I see a direct link between this type of cancer and women who drink a lot of probiotic drinks like this no shit yes see if you can find anything on that women drink probiotic drinks Cause cancer

And then women drinks martinis blowjobs Put that all together Hey man come on dude That's too much Just kidding That would be terrifying man if that was the case Well I would think maybe There's a certain level

Like if you were a nutty person who drank Like really powerful kombucha all day like all you drank is kombucha yeah like your body might be overwhelmed an extremist of anything right i mean you gotta have balance the question is this too what's the metric for how many vitamins you need right and then on top of that if if you have enough, what is adding more to that do? Does it help you or does it do nothing? Does it do harm? Right. Is it the same for you as it is for Brendan?

Is it the same for me? How is there a USDA when everybody's body is so radically different sized? How come 1,000 milligrams is good for this guy and it's not good for him? I think that there's a lot of people, too, that are probably just not getting the right fucking combinations of food too. You know, like you just need to experiment, figure out what's the right combinations of things for you. Like that was what the whole Gracie diet was based on. The Gracie diet was based on, um, you shouldn't eat certain foods in combination because the enzymes that are to break down fruit are not good to mix with the enzymes that break down meat. And you should eat them separate from each other.

And, like, they had a bunch of whole theories about that stuff. What do you think if there were certain truths about diet after all this time? Like certain truths, right? There's giant variations between human requirements. That's what I found to be truth. I've stopped saying for a long time ago that you should do this. One thing you should definitely do

is eat healthy, right? So what's eating healthy? I don't think there's anything wrong unless you have some sort of a disease. I don't think there's anything wrong with eating a bunch of green leafy vegetables. I think that shit's very important for you. I do it.

I feel better when I do it. My body feels like, when I eat like a big ass salad, like a spinach salad, my body always feels like this, like, you got it in there. You know, like you got it in there. That's what I was looking for. I was looking for some of that green leafy stuff, all those phytonutrients. That to me, that just, it feels like my body jives with that. Elk. Wild game meat. Tastes better. Feels different. It's how we've evolved. It's different.

It's just different. I know it is. Everybody's been saying it forever. And then when I eat it, I go, oh, ooh. Like it gives you that salad thing times five. Right. It's like, whoa. Like when I eat a nice steak, it feels good.

I like a nice steak. But it's a lazy nice. It's a lazy meat. If I cut into nice American corn-fed steak, tastes delicious. But it's a lazy nice. It's a lazy meat. If I cut into a nice American corn fed steak, tastes delicious, but it's a lazy meat. I cut into a piece of elk, I go like, oh. It just rumbles somewhere

deep in your DNA. You eat a deer, there's something about eating a deer, your body's like, this motherfucker was sprinting all day. I know, I know. There's something in there that's different. You're eating an animal that has this vitality to it, a wild vitality. I think Charles Poliquin, the strength coach, talks about

he goes, for me, I have to eat my favorite meat is the longhorn antelope in the north of Canada. They spend a lot of time running away from wolves. So, you know, the glycogen in the meat is always they always have a high level of glycogen. It's like a meat fudge. And of course, you have to kill them from helicopter.

You can't. You're not allowed to kill them anywhere else. So you shoot them from helicopter. And there's only one meat store in Toronto that I go to. I'm like, all right, dude. What? Take it easy. But it does sound fucking delicious.

Canada has antelopes? Maybe it's a type of antelope. Yeah. You're sure it's not caribou? No, it's a type of antelope, I think. Wow. Yeah. And maybe it's caribou, but I think it's antelope.

Maybe. I don't know. But either way, they run away from wolves all day, and the glycogen is really high. Well, we're going axis deer hunting. Maybe that's what it is. In Hawaii? It's probably not. But axis deer, they evolved in India, running away from tigers.

They're an Asian deer, and their natural enemy is tigers. You have never seen an animal. I shot at a deer that was 40 yards away. It looked at me. I let the arrow go. By the time the arrow got to it, it was nowhere near where it was. What? My arrow goes 280 feet per second.

The arrow, once it left the string, was headed towards that thing at 280 feet per second, and that deer was nowhere near it. Wow. He was six, seven feet away. Like gone. The arrow went right into the bushes and he was over there. Damn. See ya. You didn't see nothing like it. They're like from the Matrix. Let me see an Axis deer. Big?

It's about 130 to 150 pounds for a big one. Not quite as big as a whitetail. Like a northern whitetail like we hunted in. That looks a lot bigger than it really is. See if you can find the picture of the one that I shot. It's online on Cameron Haynes' Instagram page. I try to keep all the dead animals off my Instagram page.

People get mad. I send them to my hunter friends and they post them. They get so mad, right? They definitely get mad. Yeah, people get mad. Meanwhile, they have a burger on their page. People are just goofy. That's my axis deer that I shot. That's amazing. That's in Hawaii. Yep. That's in Hawaii. How is Hawaii? A lot of bugs? No, no. Little tiny ones, a little bit, but no, what it really is is a giant, that's a pronghorn antelope. That's a different antelope.

Is that an antelope in Canada? Yeah. Okay, because I know they're in like Montana and Wyoming and shit. Okay, oh, they're on a coin. Yeah. Oh, what coin is that? You're a hundred down the south? No, I don't think so. I don't think I've been.

No. Nope. Just Texas. I'm going Alabama. Texas is not the south, though. So if we can organize something for Mexico, you're in? I'm down. I think we'll use rifles. So it'll be easier.

Let me know. You brought me that bow. I've yet to shoot it. I know, but you can't go bow hunting without. I gotta practice. Especially if we go after deer. Like I said with that thing. You can injure one if you don't do it the right way.

Yeah. Well, it's just something if you want to really do it you got to get obsessed with it yeah and it's something the first time you do it it should be in a controlled environment like one of the first way would really be the a good way would be wild pigs over bait because there's a lot of places where they try to eradicate these wild pigs so they have feeders and the feeders will go off and the wild pigs are almost like conditioned to go near the feeder and then when they go near the feeder you know exactly the distance because they're right underneath the feeder the feeder is 20 yards away from you and you have a controlled shot and it's easy and it's an animal that they must kill so there's not like a number of them that you can

hunt i can't believe how many there are there's so so many. If you're in Texas, they shoot them out of helicopters. They fly around in helicopters and gun them out. They still say you can't shoot your way out of the problem. Well, they're doing their best to at least do something about it. They're not going to shoot their way out of the problem to the point of extinction. They move so quick. There's so many of them. They're smart.

Tough as shit. And they have litters three or four times a year. God damn. Yeah. They're smart. Tough as shit. And they have litters three or four times a year. God damn. Yeah. They just constantly fuck. And they're rough looking, man. And they run around. Oh, they're monsters.

One of the ones that I saw, there's one eating out of a garbage can in Asia. Those gotta be, those are not wild pigs. Those are wild boars. Well, a boar just means a male. A female's a sow. Well, some of those ones you see, they have got a razor back. They're just like those, you know, they look like, ones you see they have got a razor back they're just like those you know they look like they're not as big as pigs but they're just fierce looking

well it's just because of supply of food if they had as much pigs as as much that's it yeah that's a real wild boar right that's yep oh yeah that's a real wild boar man that's a big ass pig that doesn't look like a real pig honestly that almost looks like a warthog. Yeah, it does. It's so big. But here's the thing about wild pigs, man. This is something I learned from our pal Steve Rinella. They are literally all the same animal. Wild pigs and domestic pigs,

they're the same animal. It's called suescrafa. They're all part of one gigantic species. Look at the size of that thing! Look at the size of that thing! Look at the size of that thing! That looks like a power lifter. Yeah, that thing is, that'll kill you. That looks like it's like 400 pounds.

Look at how long his snout is, man. Look at his tiny little bitch-ass feet. Yeah, those are tiny feet. That doesn't even seem real. That seems like an animal in like a Beatles cartoon, like the Nowhere Man. You know, his proportions were all off. I think about Johnones and how skinny

his legs are and what a fucking beast he is like if you look at his legs you're like you got some pencil legs hey strong as shit too he's strong as shit with those pencil legs yeah chill son said he cradled him said it was he did didn't he cradle ryan bader yeah he smoked ryan bader he smoked he choked out ryan bader He smokes everybody. He's ridiculously strong. He's ridiculously strong, too, when it comes to deadlifting and shit, too. He does a lot of powerlifting now. So strong. I wonder what's going to happen with him.

I don't know. I want to see him fight Stipe. I want to see him fight Brock. That's what I'm saying. That's what Brendan and I were just saying. This is the card. Stipe, DC, Jon Jones, Brock, Floyd Mayweather, CM Punk, Rafael Dos Anjos, Tyron Woodley.

There's your pay-per-view. There's your pay-per-view. You're welcome. That's kind of crazy. You're welcome. I want to see Khabib, Tony Ferguson. I'm very excited about that. Why don't you come to Brooklyn?

What are you doing April 7th? If I'm not, actually actually I should plug some dates. Come see me this weekend. Okay, well then we're not talking about that. I'm at Stand Up Live in Huntsville, Alabama. Wait, April, I'm around April 7th. I'll be at the West Palm Improv April 12th, 13th, 14th. So come see me. But wait, April 7th? Yeah, I can come to that.

I can come to that, I think. Brennan's going to be in town too. I think he's doing something for Showtime. Maybe we can do stand-up, and then we'll do... I'll do it. I would come. All right, we're coming. For real.

Ari's going to be there, too, although I'm not supposed to say. What's that? Don't want to forget about that. Oh, yeah. We'll leave with this. This is... We have this thing we're doing. Our friend, Polytoon, is a guy that is now taking,

we've hired him to take sections of the podcasts that are funny and turn them into these animated clips, and they're fucking amazing. He's really talented. And you can get them on the powerful JRE YouTube channel. I think there's like a whole group of them, right? There's a playlist for them. And he's made a ton of them, and they're awesome. So here's one. It's a bad breath moment this is with uh from a fight companion with callan jimmy smith eddie and you boom all right and then we're gonna wrap this up

folks so uh that's it for now my next gigs are the only thing that i have where there's some tickets available is New Orleans. New Orleans, which is March 15th, I think. Is that it? Yes. Thursday night, March 15th, there's some tickets available for the second show. Everything else is, I think it's down to like single tickets. Oh, the Ice House in Pasadena. I still haven't put this on Twitter. I'm going to eventually.

But the 23rd and the 24th, two shows each night, 23rd and the 24th. It's a Friday and a Saturday. It's a rare weekend at the Ice House. But Nashville, or New Orleans. Yeah, I'm doing Nashville too. But New Orleans on the 15th. Did I say Nashville early on the 15th or did I say New Orleans? I said New Orleans, right?

New Orleans. New Orleans on the 15th of March, which is a little over a week from now. And then the 15th of March, which is a little over a week from now. And then the 30th of March, Nashville. Two shows at the Ryman. I think they're sold out. And then two shows in Charlotte. I don't know how many tickets left to that either. Come see me at Stand Up New York this week. I mean, Stand Up Live in Huntsville, Alabama.

What are you doing? You're going to the wrong place. Stand Up Live in Huntsville, Alabama is so different. This Thursday, Friday, Saturday and then West Palm Beach Improv April 12, 13, 14 Maybe they should go to BrianCallen.com They can make plans

Or TFATK.com Alright, this is a bad breath moment from JRE Tunes Thank you everybody and we'll be back tomorrow with the great and powerful John Dudley. Maybe Brian could come. We'll teach him how to shoot a bow. I'll do it. Later. Bye, everybody. Dude, I had a cracked filling, and they

took the filling out, and the fucking smell that came out of my mouth, I was like, holy shit! Because there was an infection, and I wound up getting a root canal. You could hear it pop through, and then just this fucking Shit breath that my father's friend my father's friend

He was sleeping his wife said you have to go to the dentist so why does your breath is so out of control? so apparently He had an abscess a sack of bacteria in the back of his mouth he had an abscess, a sack of bacteria in the back of his mouth. Well, when they took the filling out and they popped by accident the sack, the nurse threw up and the fucking dentist, the dentist walked into the room at that moment and pulled his mask off and threw the fuck up as well. Yes.

No way. It was a double vomit fest. Can you imagine? And Dan had that. So did she puke on him or what? She puked. She didn't puke on him. She just puked.

She went. Like that. It was that bad. I never have the balls to tell someone their breath stinks. I don't either. If you work with them, you have to. I would tell friends, and I would want them to tell me. Like, if your breath stinks, I'm going to tell you.

It's the worst. It's one cool thing about black people. They'll tell you if your breath stinks. They will tell you. Black people have no problem with that. Jesus Christ. That's great.