The Joe Rogan Experience - #1098 - Eddie Bravo

Episode Date: April 2, 2018

Eddie Bravo is an American Jiu-Jitsu instructor, musician, former UFC analyst, and is the founder of 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu.

No headphones? I'd rather not have headphones. You're going crazy. No because I learned that I learned that hearing my own voice in my head makes makes me focus on it and I don't want to focus on the sound of my voice. I want to focus on the thoughts. I'm focusing on ooh it's like blowing out in my head and all this shit's going on. That's smart. Tell what's up oh we're talking about whether or not you should have headphones on or not have headphones on don't are we up no if you're hearing the audio recording this what's happening is we switch to a new TriCaster we were having problems with our old one the TriCaster is the machine

that allows Jamie to switch cameras and put everything up on the internet and hopefully include Skype so we could get some people from like... It's getting signal but there's no video showing. Hmm. Are we going to restart? I don't know. I'm trying to

make sure that that's actually true. Sorry. It's okay. We might have to restart folks. We're trying live while we're going live with some new shit. But I want people on YouTube. Is it? Audio works. Audio but no video. I don't know why.

I'll figure that out in a second. Ladies and gentlemen, if you are just staring at a blank screen, would you have to shut this show down to get the video back up? I shouldn't have to. It should work. All right. Just do a double camera, a two-shot. I think it's going to be okay now.

Is it live now? Tech motherfuckingology. It would suck if we did like a half an hour, and it turns out none of it got picked up, or we did a whole show. Well, we're recording it, and it's going on YouTube right now for sure. It's just they don't see us right now. He's trying to fix that.

Tech motherfucking ology. We were having problems with our old TriCaster crashing a lot, so we got a new TriCaster. But it turns out that... What is it that doesn't match up? What part is wrong? The control panel?

There it goes. It should be okay. Oh shit. What were we just talking about we're talking about material headphones headphones oh listening to yourself in the headphones what i think of is though it makes me like i close out the outside world totally and i just lock in on the conversation yeah it's always psychological yeah but if you were watching if he puts up a video it'd be nice to to hear it. Then you put your headphones on. Then you have to put the headphones on.

Yeah. I just feel like when that's on, it's just like I pay more attention to not talking over people too. I can't stand the sound of my voice. So hearing it in my- It's a beautiful voice, bro. Thank you. Thank you.

But I can't stand the sound of it. And I hear it enough. I don't need it blasting in my ears as I talk. Then I focus on it and then- I think that's a good quality. I get depressed. It's a good need it blasting in my ears. As I talk, then I focus on it. I think that's a good quality. It's a good quality to hate your own voice. Dude. Oh, my God. Because if you love your own voice, you would listen to it all the time.

You know how hard it is to listen to my stand-up? That's very hard. For everybody. It's death. It kills me. But I always hear your voice. You've got to listen to your shit. You've got to go back and edit.

You've got to edit your shit. I'm like, I don't want to listen to myself i just i want to put every uh every time i go up on stage behind me i don't want to go back but i know that's not the right thing to do you you get a you take a lot of time out of the development of a joke process if you just listen to yeah the previous versions of it yeah because like I have this new bit that I'm doing right now. Um, and I have like three different versions of it and it's not right now. It's very shaky. It's very shaky. It goes one way,

it goes the other way. Sometimes it gets big laughs. Sometimes it's just, it's just clunky and I've got to figure out which one's the right formula. So the only way to do that really is to listen to how I did it right and then play it back and then write it out. I'll listen to how I said it and then I'll write it out. And then I'll think about what I would be thinking

if I was sitting there listening to this or someone was saying this. Would I anticipate what they're saying, what the punchlines are going to be beforehand? Because if you do, that takes a lot out of it. You've got to find a way to sneak it in. You've got to find a way to make it where it really relates. Do you ever have an old bit that you, like an old one from like 10, 15 years ago that you think like, damn, I should have added that.

You know, you're adding shit to it today. Oh, yeah, man. If you kept going, that's like the argument. Like Ari had a good point about that. He was like, if you just keep adding to your bits and making them better and that's why you don't want to release a special you could have used that same creativity to come up with new bits instead of doing the same old bits for 10 years yeah you could have used that you know because there's some guys that think that like if you got those old old old bits they're samurai swords man

they've just been hammered down and polished tight. Yeah. There's certain bits they have this rhythm to them. You're like, Jesus Christ. Like, I remember I did a special once, and I didn't have, like, hardly any new material. And so this is, like, 2009-ish or something like that. So I did some of my old, old shit from, like, 1999. Tiger bit? No, no, no. It was some other stuff.

I didn't do that bit. When I retired that bit, I retired that bit. You could always bring that back. You could always bring that back. It's over. But I remember thinking, damn, these 10-year-old bits that I had for like literally 10 years before I did my first recording. I started in 88 and I recorded in like 99. So almost 11 years before I actually recorded anything.

They were so tight because I'd never done them on anything. So I could do them all the time. I'd do them on the road. It's like jujitsu. Yep. You learn that path. Yeah, your go-to's. You're like a fucking ninja.

It's unconscious. Yeah. I love your description of it. You were talking about're goat shoes. You got like a fucking ninja. It's unconscious. Yeah, yeah. I love your description of it. You were talking about tying your shoes. Like, you know how you tie your shoes? You don't think this loop's going in here and this is going here and then I'm gonna bring it here.

You just do like that. You wouldn't even be able to, you couldn't even teach it to someone over the phone. I couldn't explain. Teach me over the phone and be like, I gotta do it a few times first and figure out what the hell I'm doing because I don't even know what I'm doing.

I have no idea what I'm doing when I tie my shoes and I do it every day. Yeah. My son, when he learned to tie his shoes like maybe six months ago, he never wanted to.

He's like, he wants to do everything. He wants to decide where we eat every day but he doesn't want to tie his own shoelaces. So we finally made him, you know,

and he was struggling with it. And I use that as an opportunity to show him how you can master anything, anything that you're having trouble with. Look, right now you're having trouble that you could do it. He could do it, but he struggles. So one day you're going to do it like daddy. Look how daddy does it. I'm not even looking at my shoes. Look. And I do it and go, boom. And he's like, I go, look at that. Isn't that crazy? Isn't that crazy?

I'll do it again. Look, my other shoe. And I do it and he's like, whoa, how did you do that, Daddy? That's like magic. And I go, you can do it too. Watch, one day you're going to do it and you're not even going to look. So like the next day he's trying not to look. He's like, Daddy, I'm not looking.

Look. He's struggling, but now he's got it. So now I could use that, that whole story that he won't forget. I go, remember when you had trouble tying your shoes? And remember how good you get? Look how you are now. This is the same thing. Whether it's gymnastics or break dancing or jujitsu or karate, whatever we do.

It's the same exact thing. Your body is magic. You just got to tell it a thousand times and then it finally listens and will do it itself. I thought about that today. Not today, but like now, like if someone if I had to learn today how to do like a 360 roundhouse kick. Yeah. At 50 years old, I'd be like, what? What am I going to do?

Yeah. Hold on. I'd be like, what are you doing? But when I do it, it's just like whoosh. It's just something I've done my whole life. Yeah. It's just whoosh. You know?

It's like a dance. And your bits, like you were talking about, like bits that you've been, like your Noah's Ark bit was so goddamn tight because we were on the you know back back in the day we were on the you know if you went on the road i hung out with you i went on the road and you know if you weren't on the road we were at the comedy store every weekend you weren't on the road so i saw your your act over and over and over to the point where i wasn't listening to the jokes no more i was listening to the audience reaction that was what was entertaining

I got to sit through another hour of your shit so for me I I started being entertained by the audience like which jokes worked and and it's very fascinating when you know there's women out there that go out there and they had to drag their husband out. He didn't want to go out. He wanted to stay. She goes, you never take me out. And she dragged him out. He spent a lot of money.

They're buying money. They're buying drinks. She wants to make sure that they have a great time. So there's always like 10 of those wives that drag their husbands out and they just want to laugh. So they're laughing at stuff that isn't the punchline. there's always like 10 of those wives that drag their husbands out and they just want to laugh. So it's, they're,

they're laughing at, at stuff that isn't the punchline. And you, you, you, uh, there were so many things that you would say that just, just the way you set them,

it wasn't, it wasn't the joke at all, but there'd be like four chicks for just laugh. And they're like ready to laugh, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Well,

people that love standup comedy, you definitely can get into like certain rhythms, but then you can, it's like everything love stand-up comedy you definitely could like get into like certain rhythms but then you get it's like everything else right like you you like one level of comedy like one kind of comedy but then you see a bunch of comedians and then the original stuff that you liked you think sucks oh yeah i used to think comic view was the funniest shit i was obsessed with my whole life was all about music, but my two side things were fighting. I loved boxing ever since I was a kid. I was a huge, gigantic boxing fan.

Then I got into the UFC. And then comedy. All I taped at home on my VCR was comedy specials and Tuesday night fights, any kind of boxing. It was just comedy and fights. Comedy and fights were kind of boxing and it was just comedy and fights comedy and fights were my hobby and music was the goal that that was my life I taped calm anytime comic view was on that's have which one's comic view it was all black is that BET yes yes is that the one that deal Hugh Lee used to host yeah okay and you know uh you know live at the apollo yeah the deaf comedy

jams oh yeah i was the biggest fan of black comedy the biggest fan i mean you know right away you know and then you look back at like some of those those stand-ups after hanging out with you though it all i started going oh shit okay that's low level A lot of those guys are low level. Well, it's just there's premises that just get, you know, there's guys out there like Bill Burr or Dave Chappelle or the real high level guys that are seeing things and then they're commenting on things and they're pointing things out that maybe other people didn't notice. And then there's other people that are doing bits because they know other people have done bits on that subject successfully. So it's not totally stealing, but they're not really being creative. They're just trying to recreate some – there's a few guys that do that. You hear them and you go, man, you know that Bill Hicks did a bit about that. You know that this guy did a bit about that.

I see what you're doing. You're trying to – you don't have your own original point a lot of those shows were like that they were just trying to make it because it was the comedy boom man what you're talking about was like there was a comedy tv boom that included evening at the improv mtv half hour comedy hour spotlight fly spotlight live on vh1 some friday night thing they had on fox that uh used to be at the laugh factory they used to have a weekly show yeah it was crazy there was so much comedy man it was out of control but there was a lot of guys that just didn't belong in the business yet i mean i couldn't say that they couldn't eventually have broke but they were

basically like did you ever notice? Hey, like there's a lot of those fucking guys where they would like, hey, and there's a goddamn wild kingdom playing out my living room. Like they had this like comedy rhythm that they would do, but they didn't have shit to say, but it still worked. A lot of those guys were doing comedy to get a sitcom. They weren't, they didn't really want to do comedy. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. They thought it really want to do comedy. Exactly, exactly, exactly. They thought it'd be easier if they did it that way. Well, there was a lot of actors that I talked to about it. They're like, hey, man, for me, it's real hard to get auditions.

And he goes, and for the longest time, I'd sit around and watch you guys get development deals, and I'd be like, fuck that. These guys don't even act. And then I realized, like, why am I complaining? Why don't I just do what they do? How hard can it be? Yeah.

It's hard. It looks easy. it looks so easy hey dude uh sam tripoli did a special last week at the viper room in hollywood man we've known sam forever i don't know i've known him for 15 years or something like that maybe longer god damn dude god damn sam special. It was his first special. It took him 10 years to get his shit together, but holy fuck, that hour slammed. Beautiful. He crushes. He did it at the Viper Room, too. He crushes. That's a great place to film a special.

Yeah, man. I stayed for both shows. He did, when you film, you do two, just in case something goes wrong. Yeah. And he would do some stuff, too. It was weird. I've never seen a comic before. Fuck up a bit and wait a minute let's do that one again and then start again he did that like three times he just wanted to make sure it was perfect you know what i mean because the response was so great that he was just on

stage he couldn't even believe it he couldn't everybody was dying edwards was there beautiful yeah it was he it was it was really good to see him blossom. I think that based on the Netflix specials that I see on average three minutes at a time, I mean, there's a lot of bad ones, huh? Dude, they're just putting out comedy specials left

and right by random dudes you never heard of and a lot of super vanilla Netflix comedy specials. Vanilla. Like, they're not going deep. Deep. There's a little bit of that going on.

And there's also, I think people need to film more shows. I think they're just filming one show sometimes. Sometimes two. I really think if you can afford it, you should do four. Ricky Gervais, his new one, I was never a giant fan of his. Never really paid attention to him. I'm like, Ricky Gervais. Didn't I was never a giant fan of his never really paid attention to him like Ricky Gervais didn't he do like cartoons

or something like that his new special on Netflix that one is a grand slam he's fucking good really that's awesome oh yeah

that's awesome did you see Chappelle's oh yeah those were great yeah how about the one in the belly room crazy how about

I mean I was there for that one do you remember how he ended that shit basically telling people exactly why he went to yeah africa that's pretty crazy that took balls yeah that's dangerous shit oh he's rich as fuck i mean cat williams special is pretty good too i didn't like that one as much man i didn't like it as much as i liked his other one he spent like the first 20 minutes on Jacksonville, because that's where he filmed it, and I thought, you know, okay.

I see what he's doing. I thought he had some pretty good stuff. Considering that, you know, all the crazy stuff he went through, I thought maybe he'll never be back, and he's just going to be insane or whatever. Right, right, right. But he did come back, and he is... I'm a big fan of his. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it.

But his old stuff Is some of the best ever Oh my god The Pip Chronicles Oh my god I mean come on Yes Cat Williams

Cat Williams was One of the guys That if I'm just I don't have shit to listen to In my car I just put YouTube And just Cat Williams Just some random bit

If I don't have anything to go He's like He's a go to Yeah he's a go to for sure It's a good time man Good time for comedy man Yeah now the comedy store Is un-to for sure. It's a good time, man. It's a good time for comedy, man. Yeah, and now the comedy store is un-fucking-believable. It's nothing like, we used to hang out there every day in the early 2000s.

2000, 2001, before 10th Planet was even a thought. Yeah. My life consisted of DJing at strip clubs for money, at home trying to make it in music, and hanging out with you doing comedy. Dude. It's crazy. It's crazy when you think about it.

That place was always half empty. Yes. It was like a dying dinosaur. It was ready to go. That shit was ready to go. And then when you had that, man, see a shit, and you left. Man, the place was, it was like, how is it surviving? Right there on Sunset, it's such prime,

it's a prime spot, you could put a giant hotel there. How is that place not gonna get knocked down? And then when you came back, I remember asking you a couple times in that seven year absence or whatever it was, going, dude, you ever gonna go back to the comedy store? Because I wanted you to go back. And you were like, fuck that. I ain't going back.

You were like really like, you know, you felt like you got really screwed by them and you did. Those motherfuckers turned their back on you at the comedy store and took that dude's side. And now looking back, they know they made a big mistake. So you were like, you're standing your goddamn ground. Like, fuck that. I'll go to the ice house. I'll go to improv.

Fuck the comedy store. And then you came back, man. And it's like a different world literally a different world like it's fucking booming it's selling out every goddamn night both rooms are packed it's like it's like it's unbelievable like you couldn't nobody would believe that shit it's so alive at the Comedy Store yeah people just go there like during the week like it's a big event night's Tuesday night sometimes they have to sold-out shows main room and the original the comedy store. People just go there during the week. It's a big event. Tuesday nights, sometimes they have two sold out shows. Main Room and the original.

The Comedy Chaos Tuesday nights. Yeah. It's crazy. What the fuck? Yeah, it's never been like that before. They opened up all those old decrepit rooms and made a bar. They're opening up and everything's... There's all these...

That back bar that used to be a video room. That back bar is the best. You can get away from people and chill out back there. Yeah. That shit wasn't around back in the 2000s. They have that whole smoking corridor in the back now, too. Yeah. Everybody goes out back to smoke.

And outside, the outside bar is booming. There's always people there drinking. It's crazy. It's weird, right? The front bar is always mobbed. It's nuts, man. And then across the street, House of Blues, they knock that shit down. Like, what?

Dude, when you walk outside and you go up that ramp, you know where that ramp is in the parking lot next door Mm-hmm that views insane. Yeah, the view is incredible like they have the best view in the world comedy stores like It's like Guns N' Roses man big in the fucking 80s Disappeared for 20 fucking years 25 years and now Guns N' Roses not only made a comeback but they're bigger than ever

they're bigger than ever Guns N' Roses is unbelievable everywhere they play they just sell it out I saw them in Mexico City and got completely blown away were you there for seminar? I was there for combat jiu jitsu Tony's fight wow that's crazy Blown away. I was like Mexico City. We there for seminar. I was there for combat Tony's fight

That's crazy you suck. Yeah, that brings it on. Yeah. Oh, it was incredible and I was never a giant Guns N' Roses fan I respected them. I like their songs and shit But you know as a kid once one of your friends claims them as their favorite now, they can't be your favorite So it's like some stupid shit. It's some stupid like my friend matt he claimed guns and roses i'm like okay because we wouldn't if he bought a guns and roses record i would just tape it i wouldn't buy it too right so whoever actually owned the master you know what i mean that was their band you know what i mean fuck you that's my band it's like a sport it really is yeah but you have a bunch of teams at yours my band was kiss because uh even sport. It really is. But you have a bunch of teams at yours. My band was Kiss.

Because even when everyone made fun of them, I'm the only one who admitted they still liked them for a while. Did you get like that with boxers too? No, boxing was different. Boxing is all racist. It's completely racist and it's okay. Boxing is the only sport. It's the only sport that could be racist.

My guy was a black guy well not really my biggest bummer was Donald Curry getting knocked out by Mike McCallum of a Mike Tyson

Mike Tyson fought when Mike Tyson fought Jerry Cooney oh yeah every white guy was praying no it wasn't Mike Tyson it was Larry Holmes

oh whatever yeah I was what white guy Mike Tyson Mike Tyson ever fought? Mike Tyson fought a bunch of white guys. But not anybody famous? No, not really.

Anybody? Well, Gulotta, the Polish guy, Andrew Gulotta. That's right. That's right. But does he count as white? Yeah. Okay. He's from Poland.

He's pretty white. Sometimes European whites. Yeah, we don't think of them as American whites. They're different. They're animals. They grew up like. them as American whites they're different they're animals we want American whites yeah yeah we definitely

yeah yeah we want like well Russians are always gonna go for the Russian guy so boxing is the only like I didn't give a fuck who the Mexican was fighting

I'm going for the Mexican even if I didn't know the Mexican I already had love for him if he wasn't Mexican and he was Panamanian that's good enough right if he was Argentinian, that's good enough.

If he was Argentinian, you know, Juan Roldan, remember him? Right. Argentina. I was like, that guy's, if he's fighting a Mexican, I'm going for the Mexican. But if he's fighting a white guy or a black guy, I'm always going for the Latin guy. That was the only sport where you could be totally racist. My best friend was black growing up and we both watched boxing together and he always went for the black guy. I always went for the Latin guy and it was like, it was okay.

There was nothing wrong with that. There was another Argentinian champion that was champion before Marvin Hagler. God damn it, it's at the tip of my tongue. I cannot remember his name. I was into Pepino Cuevas, Alexis Arguello.

As long as they were Latin, they were Mexican to me. He was right before Marvin Hagler. God damn it. I see him. I see his curly hair. He's a handsome looking fellow. Carlos Monzon. Thank God I got it.

I was ready to scare Jamie. He's going to pull it up. Jamie's going to pull it up before I can remember. Manzon was a bad motherfucker. Wasn't he from Argentina? He was. Beautiful. Yeah.

He was a tough guy, man. Those were the blood and guts days of boxing. You know, Roberto Duran, Ken Buchanan at lightweight. 135-pound killers. It was a different world back then, man. Those guys were tough as shit. 15-round fights. Comedy's different, though. It was a different world back then, man. Those guys were tough as shit. 15 round fights. Comedy is different though.

I always, I was always there. I, there was a point where I thought generally overall, just black people are way funnier than white people based on standup comedy. I'm like, this is like a Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy,

you know, I really believe that. And like Mexican comedians, I wasn't like rooting for Paul Rodriguez I was like fuck you I didn't root some people do

yeah I know some people do but I didn't I was I was racist against white comedians that fuckman see him more than anything

when people found out he wasn't really Mexican they were like what he's Honduran right Honduran and German or something

yeah did he ever say Mexican yes yeah he was like he was like an end and rudyce clay he was raised by Mexican people though he should he should have said that he said listen this is all this is like it's my character I'm gonna change your name Carlos I'm Carlos Macias can we change and redice clay yeah but you that's first of all that's like a character name but I'm saying Macias you can only change your name Andrew Dice Clay yeah but that's first of all that's like a character name

but I'm saying like you change your ethnicity maybe Carlos Macias like if I decided to put tape on my eyes and change my name to Joe Chan people would be like

what? right? you can't do that yeah but if you try to claim if I try to claim German right?

just out of nowhere you don't know any better you never see my 23 in me or maybe you did like a Borat character where you're can you do German, not Arnold Schwarzenegger? That's Austrian. Oh, okay.

Yeah. No, I don't think I could. I could probably do one if I listened to some German. You'd have to hear it. But Arnold's so easy. Yeah. He's so, like, I can only do, I can't do Trump, man. You can't do Trump?

No, I can't do that. At all. My voice doesn't make those sounds. Like, I'm not a good impressionist. I'm just good at the ones that I can't do Trump, man. You can't do Trump? No, I can't do it. At all. My voice doesn't make those sounds. Like, I'm not a good impressionist. I'm just good at the ones that I can do. What does Arnold think of Trump? Basically, we've had this conversation before. He's not a bad guy.

He's just a guy. Oh, that's right. We already did this. Listen, he's doing what everybody wants. He's making billions. He's fucking porn stars. And you're mad at him? This is the fucking American dream.

Who looks like, for real though, who looks like him and fucks like he does? I'm a little bit more impressed with Donald after all these scandals. It backfired. You guys are trying to go Clinton on him. You can't go Clinton on this guy. He's not trying to fuck kids. So that's, hey, you know. Well, here's the thing about like Roseanne Barr. They were saying that Roseanne Barr was talking about some conspiracy theories that have been disproven.

This was something because she was talking about Trump breaking up child sex rings. But he really did spend a lot of time concentrating on that and having people go out and try to break up these sex rings and sex trafficking like this is not something that is a conspiracy theory this is something that he's discussed many times it's also not a conspiracy that there's sex trafficking so as much as you want to discount trump here's a problem that i have with people that are on the left right now they're not looking at everything they're only looking at what they want to look at. He's bad for the environment. He's always lying.

He cheats on his wife. He does this. He does that. They say all these things he does bad. But when something comes up, like Roseanne says, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt because he's going after sex trafficking. And then it turns out all these other people say, that's a conspiracy theory. That's a bullshit online.

No, he said it. No, he's said it. He's put effort into it. Like you've got to give the guy credit because if you don't give him credit for things that he does that are important, nobody's going to listen to you when you're criticizing him either because all you're trying to do is win. You're not trying to look at the thing for what it really is. Yeah, this guy ain't a perfect person,

but he did make note on many times about wanting to break up sex trafficking rings. Do you know that your kid is 20,000 times more likely to get kidnapped than to get shot at a school? That makes sense. Yeah. And 20,000 is conservative. Yeah. It's probably really like 70,000 because if you go by the numbers, 800,000 to a million kids go missing every year in the United States. I looked that up, though.

I never found a source for that. You said that before, and I looked that up, and I couldn't find that. It wasn't nearly as much. You know what? I read it online, so it could be wrong. It could be wrong. The problem with these things, like when we say them, especially when we say them, like right now, 2 million people are going to listen to this or whatever the fuck it is. Even if it's 100,000 kids. Even if it's 100. Even 100 000 kids even if it's 100 yeah 100 kids that's more than school

shootings one of you that's my point it's more than school shootings right like what would you rather have your you know what's worse i don't know what's worse get having your kid get shot at school right look at this according to the national center for missing exploited children citing u.s department of justice report nearly 800 000 children are reported missing each year that's more than 2 000 a day the ncmec says 203 000 children are kidnapped each year by family members oh family well okay now take that's a little different that leaves 600 000 yeah that leaves 600 000 so what's worse having crazy's crazy. Having your kid, because the conspiracy theory is that there's this giant international child sex trafficking network going on that is being covered up. That's what's going on. And if you look at Jimmy Savile in the UK, that brought a lot of light to what's going on.

Savile, right? Is that how you say his name? Savile. Savile? Yeah. Jimmy Savile. That was a terrifying story. Yeah, so the story with him is Jimmy Saville, he's dead now.

He died in his 80s in 2011. He was a super famous, like Dick Clark kind of guy. He was the host of Top of the Pops. If your band got on that show, you're going to be mega. He was huge He was friends with the royal family with the Prime Minister's Margaret Thatcher Tony Blair a picture of him Jamie He looks disgusting pull up Jimmy Savile this he looks like a child. Look at this guy. Look at this guy That guy was super getting fucked by that guy check this out, but he was when he's 12 Super super famous and you know what he would do he would raise money for hospitals and specifically

psychiatric hospitals and he would bring the queen of england and he had all this power to raise millions for these hospitals these mental institutions he that's what he prayed on for kids so he would what he would do is he would he would do so much for these hospitals that he would put himself on the board and give himself a job there in a position

and he would hang out at these hospitals there's all there's at least five there's at least 500 people that have come forward to say they've been were raped by him

when they're at a is it 500 people now? at least it's in the thousands what's that sign say that he's holding up on his neck what does that say BBC fix it for me oh that was his show yeah he worked he worked for the BBC 500 people at least it's it's in the thousands that he's holding up on his neck. What does that say?

Oh, yeah, he would show yeah, he would fix it. He worked, you know, he worked for the BBC super famous super He would he had Christmas dinner with Margaret Thatcher multiple times What is that red hat? He's got that looks like a MAGA hat right above that Yeah hat right above that yeah just a hat crazy guy who it turns out he was a child rapist yeah and um that's the same thing with sandusky and they're covering it up they're covering it up the question is still they're coming this oh dude this yes because people knew they're complicit and they'd be in trouble the mystery The mystery is how is he so tight with the prime ministers, the royal family, all these politicians. All this shit comes out when he died.

Because every time there would be an allegation while he was alive, he would just sit them down and go, what are you going to do? I'm going to ruin your life. You better drop this shit. What are you going to do? You think they're going to come after me? You know how many millions I've given this hospital? So he would just shut everything down. and there was all these underground covered up allegations It getting knighthood was a relief because it got me off the hook

What does that mean? He was knighted right so got him off the hook What is that? He got knighted when you get knighted could they can they not arrest you anymore? Is that what happens? Is it like being the president? Yeah. There's a documentary on YouTube called The Ninth Circle. Jimmy Savile, The Ninth Circle. You find out why they covered it up.

Why did they cover it up? Why didn't this agent DJ? It's like Dick Clark. They should have just mashed him up. Why was it all being covered up? It's fucking insane when you find out why. He had enthusiasm for dead bodies in general. Dude, he fucked dead people.

What? He loved fucking dead people. Where'd you hear this? The Ninth Circle. Is it a documentary? The Ninth Circle on YouTube. Watch that. Jesus Christ. It's insane.

It's insane. When you find out, when you watch that shit, dude. It is crazy that you, like you're saying this and it sounds like, like it could never be possible. It sounds like it never could be possible that some giant television star that worked with children and was always helping out children could have actually been fucking them the whole time. And a bunch of them, hundreds of them. of raping them and then people must have known there's no way everybody he was killing

them too he was killing him he was killing them dude they got they found all these bodies it's a it's a big scandal in the uk right now look up look up uh dude jesus christ there's an island called jersey island that's owned by the queen. And look into that shit. I don't even want to get that. I don't even want to get that deep into it. Cause I don't have a rape children as young as nine while working at BBC leaked report unveils.

And this is in the independent. Yeah. How come we're not, how come there's not the same kind of effort for this kind of stuff like there is with the um um the gun shooting the florida school shooting why isn't there that's not a big event where it's one thing where all the deaths happen in one it's deaths or deaths well i understand i'm with you i understand but i mean this is also why people don't freak out about 500 000 people dying every year because of obesity like what would you what's worse what's worse? Having your kid get shot at a school shooting

or having that motherfucker rape your daughter multiple times and then kill her? I don't think you want to quantify them. They're both horrible. Yeah, yeah, exactly. They're both horrible. It's just, what's scary is that that is being protected. Yes.

That there's someone that either knew about it and now is trying to cover their ass because they knew about it. A lot of people. That's the thing about Sandusky. Sandusky did the same thing. He was raping all these kids, and the whole time he was running these programs for underprivileged children and helping all these orphaned kids.

You got to watch your kids, man. He allegedly got away with abusing 500 children and sex with dead bodies. Whoa. Hanging out with the queen, dude. This guy's tight with the queen. Look at him too. God. And all these little kids around him.

You know what? You want me to tell you why he got, why they left him alone? You do know? According to the Ninth Circle. What is the Ninth Circle? It's a documentary about the whole thing. Why they left him alone?

Because everybody's doing it? They're all doing it? He was supplying everybody with kids. That's what he used the hospitals for. Well, this is not a new theory. This is not a new theory when it comes to groups of freaks. He was the pimp, dude. Yeah.

He was supplying everybody with kids. This is something that people have talked about, like very intelligent people that I know that have talked about in terms of like – there's been stories about people that have taken politicians to like islands and shit because that's where they keep like young girls. I don't know why I'm looking at you, Jamie. Dude, and you have extreme desire for extreme sexual scenarios, whips and you can't whatever the fuck it is. You can't young girls. You can't let anybody know about this. So people come into these people's lives that can facilitate these things.

And then they develop this sort of bond of silence. And this is how, when this shit gets out of hand, you can get a Jimmy Savile or you can get a Jerry Sandusky. That was the other thing about Sandusky. There was like – this guy was not on his own. Like he was supplying children. Tip of the iceberg. Wasn't that one of the things? That doesn't come up.

Sandusky – Google Sandusky was supplying children to other pedophiles because that was something that was also speculated about some of the donors that were donors to his charities were also somehow involved in molesting those kids. You know what a death ride is? Death ride? Death ride. No. Jimmy Savile would supply 10 10 15 boys to a certain politician

He'd have a boat you take him out on the boat He could he couldn't afford to have any witnesses. So those were always the last rides those kids would take they're called death rides Jesus, they couldn't have this is from that same documentary ninth circle see but how do they know that for a fact? you got you just got to watch it and make the... Conclusion. Yeah. Well, I'm not ruling it out. He's already a shit bag, so you got to look at him like a prosecuting attorney, not a

defense lawyer. He's already a shit bag. He's already confirmed... He's already raping kids. What's to stop him from killing kids? Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, I mean, that's a good point, because if you're the type of person that could rape a child, what can't you do? Yeah, and that's what Iing kids. What's to stop him from killing kids? Exactly. Yeah, I mean, that's a good point because if you're the type of person

that could rape a child, what can't you do? Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. In the UK, the numbers could be wrong, but I heard that every three seconds a child is reported missing in the UK. That's 175,000 kids a year get reported missing in just the UK.

It's a big business, man. It's just gotta be more than that amount of seconds in a year, reported missing in just the UK. It's a big business, man. It's got to be more than that amount of seconds in a year, isn't it? Every three seconds at 175,000? That seems low. Every three minutes. I'm sorry. Oh, every three. Not every three seconds.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That's crazy. How many seconds are in a day? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Every three minutes. Every three minutes.

This is according to something I saw. It's 31 million seconds in a day? 31,500,000. I'm sorry. Every three minutes. Every three minutes. This is according to something I saw. 31 million seconds in a day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure the numbers are probably. Yeah. A hundred and seventy five thousand isn't as big as eight hundred thousand a year.

But damn, that's that should be. Think about all this, all what we're doing for the Florida shooting and for the shootings and with that David Hogg guy. Come on, man. That's what's scary is that people are buying all that stuff. Buying all what stuff? The whole gun control propaganda. You know, it's so obvious.

It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. What do you think the gun control propaganda is? It's really simple, man. It's like they've been trying. You have to disarm the population. And that's what they're doing inch by inch, trying to disarm. They used to say they used to say, oh, no, we just want some restrictions and some background checks. Now they're just saying it.

You know, they some people are saying revoke the Second Amendment. Yeah, they're tearing the Constitution. They're tearing the Constitution. Those four kids, those four kids. There's a Constitution. No, no, no, they weren't. They weren't. That's not true.

No? No, that's Photoshopped. Oh, it is? Okay. Yeah, there's an original image that that girl was tearing. It was like a target. She was saying we're not a target. Okay.

And someone replaced that image with the Constitution. Okay. But they're essentially doing the same thing. Yeah, no, I know what you're saying. Look, first of all, they're 17. They were at a school that got shot up. Their friends died. I get it from their point of view.

If I was 17, I would think, and also they got cameras in their face, and everybody's paying attention to them, and the New York Times is interviewing them, the Washington Post, everyone's calling them up. If I was them, I'd probably be doing the same thing. You would probably too. If you were in high school with those kids and all that shit went down, I don't blame them by any stretch of the imagination. I don't even blame people that are trying to revoke the Second Amendment.

The thing that infuriates me the most is that all people want to look at is the guns. That's all they want to look at. You need to look at the mental health of individuals that are willing to fucking shoot up a group of kids. Like, why? Why the fuck would someone do that psychiatric medications are a big one that if you bring up people roll their eyes like oh this again they're massive changes to the fucking chemical composition of your brain when you take these things what you're capable of doing what bothers you what freaks you out what you don't give a shit about when you got all these people that are on SSRIs and antidepressants and anti-anxiety medication and over and over and over again.

When they test these shooters, they all test positive for something. The pharmaceutical companies do not want to fucking hear about this. They don't want to talk about this. Phil Hartman, my friend who got shot by his wife, she was on Zoloft. They got a settlement from Zoloft. The family got a settlement from Zoloft the family got a settlement from zoloft after she fucking shot him in the head while he was sleeping this is there's a lot going on it's not just guns it is crazy that that fucked up kid could get guns it is crazy it's crazy the fbi went

to his house two years before but what can you do do you hear about that kid that they just stopped in china the chinese immigrant kid they're sending back that his roommates in college were saying this fucking guy's stockpiling guns. The cops went to visit him. He went out, bought another gun and he's talking all kinds of crazy shit and everybody's nervous about him. Like he's a fucking shooter. Ready to happen.

Stop going to class. And that's how they sent him back because he's on a student visa. You can't not be in class. This kid was like gearing up. He was gearing up. And maybe they caught it before it happened. And maybe they wouldn't have like two years ago when they interviewed the kid from Parkland.

Now, the strangest thing about that Parkland shooting is the interview one of the teachers did on ABC. This doesn't make any sense to me at all. It's like she said, I have the video. I could send it to you, Jared. It's less than a minute. She says, I opened up. I heard shots.

I opened up the door. All the kids ran in. They hid behind their desk. And there I saw the shooter 20 feet away from me. But at first, I thought he was a policeman. I'm like, what is the police doing here? He had full body armor,

a mask on a helmet on and was shooting. I was like, what is the cop? What are the cops doing here? That is the strangest, uh, video I've seen. Was it possibly someone shooting at the kid?

That's not what she said. She said she saw the shooter. Right, but I mean, how long was she watching for? Right, if you're like looking out the window and you see someone that's shooting someone or shooting a gun or even holding a gun. First of all, you have to realize that people in those traumatic situations,

their memory is very fucked up. It's very shaky. Your brain's flooded with adrenaline. You remember, you're open to suggestion. People can put things in your head and you all of a sudden think that that was a real memory that you saw. There's been like scientific studies on that and about suggestive memory and about someone can literally, especially during periods of great duress, they can introduce ideas into your head. And you will tell those ideas hours later, days later as your own own and you don't even realize that they put them in your head it's real weird memory in traumatic situations like gun shootouts and

shit like that is haywire because you're on you're working on that reptilian part of your brain you're down to the lowest level like my friend steve ranella got attacked by a grizzly bear he was in a fognac Island it's a crazy podcast him and these other guys they had killed an elk and they were packing this elk out and they left the elk by the tree while they were uh at their camp then they went to go back and a bear had claimed the elk and this bear rushed him and he was like one of the ways he described to me is like you have an idea in your head of like what like an animal instinct is like and he goes i'm telling you this goes way deeper than that this goes wait when you really think

your life is in danger you really think it's over you don't even exist anymore you're moving you have no idea what you're doing you're you're you have to piece together what happened afterwards and you were barely there in the first place you're just gone you're gone you see somebody else like you have no fucking idea who you even are right there and then all these people are like i would have run in the building kick that fucking guy's ass you barely even know who you are you got this video oh i sent you the video the video of that uh yeah people have to understand memory. Well, let's listen to her.

Let's see if she sounds like she's full of shit. Okay, let's hear what she says. I actually sent you the actual clip. That's not it? I sent you one, right? On your phone. This is not it, though. That's the lady, but I don't know when she's going to say.

Let's just play it because we don't hear it. We're not hearing it, Jamie. Oh, okay. Writing love letters when the fire alarm went off. As students filed into the hallway, she heard gunfire. There you go. This is it. The killing had begun.

I was about two feet away from my door. All of a sudden, I heard gunshots in the stairwell, which is about 20 feet away from my door, all of a sudden I heard gunshots in the stairwell, which is about 20 feet away from my room. And then kids were screaming and then running back towards me and towards the end of the hallway. So I just went in this very strange autopilot mode where I pivoted on my feet. I unlocked my door and the kids just started pouring in my room. I don't know how many kids were in there, but I was pulling them and getting them in and shouting at them to get in the room. And then I suddenly saw the shooter about 20 feet from me standing at the end of the hallway, actively shooting down the hallway, just a barrage of bullets. And I'm staring at him thinking, why is the police here? This is strange because he's in full metal garb, helmet, face mask,

bulletproof armor, shooting this rifle that I've never seen before. Huh. I don't know. That sounds like someone who saw something. Yeah. That sounds like she got a very good look at it. And yeah, there's another video of a girl saying, yeah, we heard shots and we're running through the hallway.

And then I run into Nicholas Cruz and I looked at him and I told him, Mike, isn't it weird that everyone thought this was going to be you? And then he just stood there and then we ran off because we heard more shots. What? That's, it doesn't make any sense. Doesn't make any sense.

And that stuff, those videos get taken down. Those videos get taken down. But that video is not taken down. They've been taken down. When they find them, they take, there's people actively taken down witness testimony that doesn't go with

the official narrative, man. So you think that this is like a false flag? Like someone went in there and shot up the school? They do it all the time. That's what they do. And then they focus on it.

They got this Nicholas Cruz guy and they go, oh, we got a perfect guy. So they come in. They have a professional team. They drag a Nicholas Cruz. They do what they got to do. They throw him in there, a professional team they drag a nicholas cruz they do what they got to do they throw them in there arrest them and go we got them and then everyone buys it that's what's going on right in my opinion in my opinion but this is a this is a crazy

opinion right because you weren't there i'm not the only one on the other side of the country i'm sure but every time there's any sort of mass event, some horrible event, there's always conspiracies. You know? Because most, these, they're like, they have a, what was going on right before this was the release of the FISA document. And conspiracy, you know, and the media was bearing that. The FISA document was a document that Trump released and got zero zero uh play from mainstream media and it was a document that that showed that a lot of really important people in government from all the agencies were all colluding together to take down trump. And there's text messages and emails.

They're going back and forth. They all work together with Hollywood, using Hollywood. So FISA document was about to get dropped and everyone was saying, wait, they're backed into a corner. They're going to pull something off. Watch, here it comes.

They're going to pull out. There's going to be a shooting or something. Wait for it. Here it comes. And then boom. So as soon as it happened, the reason why conspiracy theorists are going that's it and look at all the mistakes look at look at all the testimony that doesn't make any sense that they're ignoring like that the thing that the thing that gets me is it there's so many fuck-ups in that shooting as a false flag or like all these these witness test the witness testimony that doesn't make any sense that to me i think they did it on purpose to keep all the conspiracy theorists

busy because there's so much shit that's clear so keep to keep everyone away that doesn't make any sense to keep everybody away from the fisa document but you know what it's also possible the people that were at that shooting their memories all fucked up because there was somebody shooting people that's a real thing like that's a hundred percent she sounded like she didn't know what she was talking about didn't sound like it then but that wasn't when the shooting was going down yeah you gotta you see people when you see people like right when they've seen some shit their brains scrambled yeah that's something to have to take into consideration especially some nice lady probably never saw anybody get shot in their life

Probably never saw much violence. Yeah, maybe maybe I don't know. There's two sides of it There's right. There's people that believe the official story and then there's people that see it as oh This was the false flag to distract from the FISA document. Listen. I'm not saying that false flags don't exist I mean you and I was discussed on this podcast in great detail They're the most important false flag, which is Operation Northwoods. Yeah, if they're willing to do that,

they're willing to do anything. Well, it's not, this is also the problem. When we say they, Operation Northwoods was 1962. The question is, if that's how they did business back then,

which is what they did, I mean, Operation Northwoods, they were planning on attacking Guantanamo Bay with Cuban, going to arm Cuban friendlies, have them attack Guantanamo Bay. They were going to sacrifice American lives. They were going to blow up a drone jetliner, blame it on the Cubans. All this was to get us enthusiastic about going to war with Cuba. Yeah.

They were going to sacrifice American lives. This is 100%. They were going to lie and fake shit. Which is normal. Which is normal. It has to be. For empires, for all countries. This is just a normal. Which is normal. It has to be. For empires, for all countries. This is just a normal, false flags are,

it's nothing new. It's been going on since the dawn of time. Right. False flags, it's old school shit. The question is, and this is for the rational person who's like, this is ridiculous. You have to wonder, is that evolved?

Right? Everything evolves. The way we use technology evolves. The way we use literature evolves. The way we use TV evolves. Everything evolves. The way we use technology evolves. The way we use literature evolves. The way we use TV evolves. Everything evolves. Does that evil corruption in government evolve too? Or does it just somehow or another get snuffed out because of the light?

I don't buy that. I don't buy that. If you look at all the different things that we've shown that there's collusion in, just look at the fact that someone like Hillary Clinton can run for president while she was making hundreds of thousands of dollars giving speeches to banks. Like when she was in that debate with Bernie Sanders and Bernie Sanders was like, release his transcripts. Tell us what you said. Tell us what you said to those nice banker people that gave you a half a million dollars or whatever the fuck they gave you. Like that's insane to

think that someone was like, listen, dude, she is so fucking entertaining. We're going to give her $250,000 for an hour. It's worth it. Trust me. I know we're in the banking business and I know we make money with money. You know what I mean? We're all about money. We know the value of money. We're in the banking business.

This lady talking is worth a quarter million dollars. It's the best. She's going to go up there. She's going to knock your socks off. She's so good. She's amazing. And she's funny. She's gonna go up there She's gonna knock your socks off She's so good She's amazing And she's funny She's hilarious

Oh my she's amazing Her speech is super well prepared And she stands up there on the podium And just knocks your fucking dick into the dirt What is this? Hillary Clinton gets humiliating $7,000 less than Snooki For a speech at Rutgers As her story grows old.

Oh, wow. So she got her price slashed to $25,000. I think they're going to throw her under the bus. Her standard fee was $200,000 per speech, but some folks suggest that it may be her broken record that set the recent slash price of $25,000. She made so much money off the Clinton Foundation. She's fine. Just stop and think about that. She's like, I'll do it of $25,000. She made so much money off the Clinton Foundation. She's fine. Just stop and think about that.

She's like, I'll do it for $1,000. Dude, I got fucking $100 million from that Haiti earthquake. Are you kidding me? Yeah, but those people, people like her, I think one of the things in the back of their head is always the potential litigation. I think they always want to stockpile legal funds because someone could always come after them.

Yeah, and plus they get used to it. They're like, damn. They're like, you know, if you had a hundred million and now you have, you know, 75 million, you're like, oh my God. We're fucking down to 50. Yeah. I got to take some odd jobs and shit. Do some speeches in Saudi Arabia.

Listen, it should be illegal for someone to run for president. If someone who they could influence in a positive way with passing things and signing legislature, pushing things forward, using their influence, if someone is in a position that they could do that for a company and that company wants them giving you $200,000 to talk, that's just fucking insane. That's insane. That's bribery. Are you saying that it's worth $200,000? If she sucked every dick in the room, it wouldn't be worth $200,000, right?

There's no way. Who's going to pay $1,000 for a Hillary Clinton blowjob other than for the story? I think she can get a lot of money for blowjobs. Do you think so? Dude, I think fucking alt-right guys would just be fucking throwing down, dude. Busting, having bukkakis. You know what I mean? Do a bukkake.

This feels like a disrespectful turn we're taking with Hillary Clinton. Yeah, I'm sorry. As a person. Forget about it as a woman. Just as a politician. No one should be. It should just be impossible. There's a conspiracy theory that Hillary Clinton's father, Hugh Rodham, I'm assuming he's not alive anymore. Oh, good old Hugh. Hugh Rodham, I'm assuming he's not alive anymore, but was a huge Jewish mob boss who was responsible for opium going into Chicago.

I don't know if that's real, but it makes sense to me. Look, we know for a fact that some politicians have run drugs before. The Bushes? Here's the biggest one. The fucking Kennedys. Open. Open. Flat out. I mean, it was moonshine at the time. But guess what? before the bushes the biggest one the fucking Kennedy's open open flat out I mean it was moonshine at the time but guess what that's drugs yeah that's as

much of a drug worse than we it's worse way worse I mean that is how the Kennedy family made their money we needed a president to run marijuana how cool without a president Jimmy Carter was like he was just doing he just stuck to marijuana talking for president Tommy Scott Carter was like, he was just doing, he just stuck to marijuana. Tommy Chong for president. Tommy's got, he's got diversity on his side. Cheech could be the running mate. Cheech and Chong, 2020.

Guys, get on it. I'll have you on the podcast. I support you 100%. If you think about all the stuff the government was willing to do over time, like Operation Northwood, for instance. They were willing to kill their own people. like Operation Northwood, for instance, they were willing to kill their own people. There's a lot of corruption, bribery,

a lot of shit in the government, right? If you had to equate that to one person, you could say the U.S. government is kind of like John Gotti. Right. Right? Kind of, right? Yeah, a little bit. A little bit.

Killed some people. Yeah, for sure. Killed some people if they cross him. Definitely mob bossy. Yeah, a lot of scamming going they cross a lot of yeah a lot of scamming going on a lot of stealing he's kind of he's kind of like a politician he's kind of like the overall you know how could anybody trust anything he would say right yeah and anytime someone would say hey dude like a some john gaudy nerd came up he goes dude you know he killed 15

people one night in miami you wouldn't go, dude, where's the proof? Where's the proof? Show me. You wouldn't say that. You would go, you believe it. And even if it wasn't true, he's like, it's, he's still a douchebag. He's still a criminal. He's still killing people.

So yeah, you were wrong about that. I was actually, you know, traffic Conte and it wasn't, you know, but still, you know what I mean? People just naturally, when it comes to the government, they know how corrupt they are. They know that they're willing to kill their own people. They know that the politicians aren't waking up going, how am I going to make everyone's lives better? So all those speeches you hear, you know, them trying to like help. They're not thinking about helping.

They're thinking about keeping their power. They're criminals. That's what's going on. Well, they're in a business and this business has criminal rules Yeah, they've allowed them to have the animals. It's all about how can every politician? They're all trying to get a hold of that that tax money. Oh, that's the that's the Endgame right there you get that tax money You're never it you could steal tax money and people were never gonna come after you you steal corporation money. You're gonna die Yeah, they don't even get mad if it steal tax money and people were never going to come after you. You steal corporation money, you're going to die.

Yeah, they don't even get mad if you steal tax money. Yeah, the tax money. It's like, just come up with a bill. Come up with something, anything. Just anything. Okay, this bill is to build churches and we're going to help children around the world and we're going to find a cure for leukemia. Fuck yeah.

Cool. Boom. It's really easy. You just got to make up some shit. You got to pretend that you're going to find a cure for leukemia. Fuck yeah. Cool. Boom. It's really easy. You just got to make up some shit. You got to pretend that you're going to help people. Oh, this one's the Affordable Housing Act. You know, we're going to help out poor people. Like that politician's really trying to help.

What they're trying to do is rip off tax money. That's it. It's all. Well, they allocate it. Move it to the people that they want to have it to. Yeah. It's a dirty business. I'm hoping that that changes.

It's genius. I, I think the way we are being programmed and indoctrinated, I think it's genius. It's working so goddamn well because it works on really smart people. There's intelligent people all over the goddamn world. Invested in the system. Everybody's invested in the indoctrination, the school system, man.

You know, school really is designed to take the kids from the family. The kids believe their teachers more than their own parents. And the state takes your kids. They're raising their kids. It's ridiculous, man. I think most of what's going on in schools is not that. I think most of it is people that are just totally apathetic about teaching people. They don't give a fuck.

Most of these people that are teaching, they're doing it as a job. There's a lot of terrible fucking teachers out there, and they don't get paid anything. That's the big conspiracy that it's not. They're taught and told how to teach and what to teach. They're not like, okay, just give us your own version of English together with educators They get together to try to figure out a way to get people to learn these things, but it's uninspired That's more more than anything because there's no money to the conspiracy theory is that the Rockefeller John Rockefeller and Carnegie? Designed the school system to create slaves and to separate the family.

Well, the conspiracy theory is they designed to create workers, right? Yeah. People that are slaves to the conspiracy theories. They openly said, we don't, we don't need any more, uh, philosophers or geniuses. We got enough of that. We got that. And we got science right here. We got Jenny sites.

You need come to us. What was the last great scientific discovery in the last 40 years that wasn't government funded? I don't know who's funding these studies. Why do you think that they're government funded? Some new shit they come out with. I don't know. See, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

No one can name anything. Well, I don't know. I mean, we'd have to go over some of the studies but i'm sure a lot of them are not government i'm assuming that most scientists are getting paychecks from the government i'm just assuming that i'm just i'm i'm assuming that most scientific data is not it's coming from a bunch of scientists who uh uh, yeah, they're getting grants and they, they, they can't say crazy shit. They got it.

And they're, you know, I sent you that one email. That one guy was telling me that there, uh, he worked for a team of scientists and they're working for a pesticide company and they're told to, they go,

we're going to do some studies here and we want it to look like this. And let's keep doing it. Let's keep doing the studies until boom. We got, Oh, that's legal. They can do that. Yeah. That is a terrible thing that's insane they keep doing a study until they get the results they want and then they don't publish the bad studies they only

publish the good studies and this is what they've done it seems like there's basically in a nutshell like three kinds of science there's there's the science like pseudoscience it's like it's pretend science but for sure it's not real it's false science pseudoscience, it's like pretend science, but for sure it's not real. It's false science. Pseudoscience. And then there's the scientific facts. Like for sure. It's a scientific fact that I can get on the internet with my iPhone. I don't need to read a study about it and say, oh, I actually can.

I know it. My friends know it. That's a scientific fact. Another scientific fact is my car will take me to point A, to point B, to point C over and over, and it may break down every now and then. That's a fact. That's the science of my car. I believe that science.

That's scientific fact. And then there's a science that you have to take the scientist's word for it because there's no way that you can verify. If you have to have faith in science, that's like a religion. That's scientism. Hold on a second. What are you talking about? Like what particular any kind of any kind of science whether it's medical science if you are you have you have a choice to believe in science that you can't verify yourself you could believe it you but you don't have to believe it right but the experts in the field verify it all the people that understand with all the with all the we all the science that

we know that have been has been corrupted just the big ones uh sugar science tobacco science marijuana science vaccine science we know for sure all just those four that there's been a lot of corruption and so it's hard to trust so when someone comes out and especially the government and goes yeah our scientists scientists say that it's safe and effective you got to be be like, damn, I don't know about that. I'm not going to just take your fucking word for it. You know what I mean? You guys are criminals. You're John Gotti.

And you guys are saying that this is safe and effective. I don't know about that. Maybe it is. I hope it is. But I don't know. I don't know because I can't prove it for myself. Oftentimes drugs that get passed as being safe and they turn out to not be safe. Exactly.

That's what I'm talking about. This is one of the problem with these studies. Exactly. This is like what we were talking about earlier with that. Nobody wants to discuss the idea that psychotropic drugs have played a part in school shootings. This is all a very recent thing with human beings. If they're talking about the recent spike, but they're talking about the recent spike in shootings, even by people they know were mass shooters. Those people are almost all on these pills. But this these pills are very recent. They leave Big Pharma alone. So when you're talking about the recent spike in shootings, even by people they know were mass shooters. Those people are almost all on these pills. But these pills are very recent.

They leave Big Pharma alone. Yeah. So when you're talking about just the history of human beings involved in mass killings, it's really recent. They're crazy. It's just ramping up. It's going crazy. Yeah. Well, you know what also is ramping up?

People taking pills. Yeah. These things are somehow, they might not be the cause of it 100%. It might be society. it might be suppression it might be terrible childhood rearing it might be childhood abuse it might be all sorts of like mental health issues that are inherited all sorts of crazy diseases that people inherit mental diseases in the vaccine pamphlets there's i think the hpv vaccine that like girls are taking it at 10 11 and 12 man the shit that it says in the pamphlet there's a dangerous one there's one possible side

effect is suicidal thoughts wanting to it's called in one it's called impending doom what's i watched uh take your pills last night that documentary on netflix that's been going around how is it it's pretty good it does not there's not a lot a lot that's not the adderall one is it it is yeah it is yeah so There's not a lot of information. That's not the Adderall one, is it? No, it is. It is, yeah. So there's not a lot of information we don't already know, I feel like. They just kind of compile it and make it look really good. But one interesting thing that you just brought up, a doctor says in it, there's no

side effects to pills. There's just unintended benefits or non-benefits that you want. They're all effects. There's no side effect of diarrhea, for instance. It's an effect of the pill. It just wasn't what you wanted. I see what you're saying. So don't call it side effect. Call it an effect.

So if you take something and on some people it gives suicidal thoughts, it's not a side effect. It's just an effect of taking that pill. Yeah, there's people, there's girls wanting to kill themselves for taking the HPV vaccine. Not just that that for taking acne medication Accutane is a home for that on what no do you know Andrew Santino hilarious comedian?

No funny motherfucker he took Accutane when he was saying high school So what he said? Said it was like the best thing that ever happened to him because his face totally cleared up But the worst thing that ever happened to him terms like how it made him feel Like it just it makes you feel a lot of people get it and they get suicidal thoughts. Yeah, for sure. See, so you've got to ask yourself,

even if, whether kids really are shooting up schools or it's a false flag and they're setting up the kids to do it, that's the other side. Whatever the truth is there, there's a gigantic problem with these pills that are making people crazy and no one really this is not a big push to stop it or anything they're being protected they are but all there's a giant business in it

there's billions of dollars for sure but there's also a lot of people that like those pills there's a lot of people that love xanax like this is again this is one of those things where we always want to look at the bad side of it a lot of people love crack too crack you know you guys you could get thrown in jail for that yeah no for sure but i mean people that are functional people just how you like weed i like weed some people like xanax i'm not saying you can't have that. It's not my opinion. That's not how I feel. What I am saying is like, we need to be honest about the consequences

of all these things. And that this is somehow or another left out of the equation when I think it's a major part of the equation. I don't think it's the only reason why people are shooting up schools or any of this shit. But I think it absolutely must be playing a factor. And for whatever reason, people don't want to consider that factor.

And I think some of it is because there's a lot of people out there who like those pills. They like the way they feel on antidepressants. They like the way they feel on anti-anxiety medication. They like taking Ambien before they go to bed. They don't want to hear. They like what it gives them. I know people who can't sleep without Ambien. They can't it gives them. I know people who can't sleep without Ambien. They can't sleep without it.

And if you start telling them that Ambien fucks up your heart rate or does this to that or, you know, make up some things. I don't know if it fucks up your heart rate. I'm just saying that. If you started saying that to people, they would just immediately tune out. Whatever, dude. I'm sleeping like a baby. You know what would be a great false flag is if they set up another shooter and just said he was totally stoned. You know, that way they could reverse

the legalization of weed. Of course, it's a joke. Do you know what I started smoking then to change my mind? They have the power in the media to turn it into that. All of a sudden, these guys are getting really high

in Colorado and California. We need a... It's a joke. Okay. It's not funny. That wouldn't work today. I've been smoking blunts and I was like, I smoked them. I was like, okay, now I understand rap music. Like I was like, these rappers are so aggressive, but they're also high. I'm like, what the fuck's going on? It's the goddamn tobacco. Tobacco mixed in with weed. That is a different thing. That's a different animal. It's a little too potent sometimes. It's a little too, woo. It's like you're like, what are we talking about?

I like it every now and then. Every now and then I like it too. Every now and then I like it. I'm like, you know what? It gives you a different kind of head buzz. Well, tobacco gives you, Donald Cerrone got me on the dip when he was not, I haven't done it since then. But when we were in the podcast, he did it. I swallowed some of it.

But one thing I liked about it, I was like, oh, now I get why you guys do it. It hypes you up. It gets you kind of elevated. Do you ever smoke a cigar? Maybe two. It's a powerful version of a cigarette. You're getting some serious fucking nicotine in your system when you smoke a fat stogie. You got a big old fucking

Hoyo de Monterrey double Corona. And you're... With El Castro style. By the time you get to the end of that thing, you're high as fuck, dude. You're not high like you can't talk or like you can't walk or you can't function.

But you're definitely feeling that tobacco. You're feeling... It's doing something to your system. And they say it actually has a cognitive enhancing function that's similar to nootropics and coffee as well that like it actually can make you perform better in tests if you smoke cigarettes or if you uh smoke a cigar and writers always say that like i know a lot of people who write like writers for sitcoms and stuff like that those guys always smoke cigarettes when they write they say they can't write without smoking Stephen King said that it's like they're

weed yeah well it does have something going on man but it's instead of like it's not it's to me it's more like amped than it is creative weed is super creative weed makes me think of thoughts where I write them down I'm like I can't even claim that. That's not even my thought. That's weed's thought. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like I would have never, just leave me by myself with no drugs and a notebook. I would have never come up with that idea.

But the weed's like, hey, man, listen to this. Bah! Ha, ha, ha. You know, the weed is way more of like an idea steroid. I believe it. Dude, I see people who don't smoke weed and they write I'm like who you're so brave out there out there with no helmet you got no life preserver on and now it's crazy legal everywhere this is amazing this recreational weed in California it's it's insane you just

walk nine states now. Yeah crazy I think 18 states have legal medical and nine states have legal recreational Massachusetts mass. Yeah, it's a wave. It's going across all the whole country It's changing everything and it's good and you know what the next wave is MDMA MDMA therapy for PTSD patients has unprecedented results. Really? MAPS is involved in this. Damn. What is it? Multiple Disciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies

or something like that. MAPS is an amazing, really above-board organization that is at the forefront of legalization of psychedelics and of psychedelic research. And they've been involved in studies with soldiers. And they have amazing results in studies with soldiers. And they have amazing results with this stuff. MDMA just lets you forgive yourself.

It lets you forget everything. It reprograms your brain. It lets you forgive other people in your life. It changes. It could one hit of MDMA. That always confuses me. Molly. It's a lot easier one hit

can change your taste in music forever forever I believe it because before I ever did it the first time I did it

was 1997 and before that I was a DJ at this point and I couldn't stand techno I hated

techno music so much and I was a DJ and anytime a girl went on stage She was a techno girl. I'm like this is because I I play drums for real so when you listen to techno or house, it's like It that's the the most basic dumb shit every song Every fucking drum beats the same I couldn't accept it as a musician and most musicians feel that way about techno and I went to a birthday party at the Key Club in Hollywood and I walk in and upstairs is techno and downstairs in the like Little bottom club is hip-hop and it was a birthday party and everyone was downstairs and me and my buddy Rick we walk in

And we're standing at the edge of the techno floor and there's like all these dudes just like dancing by themselves And there's like mental cases right and i was just standing there looking at him going what the fuck is wrong with these people oh my god so i went downstairs they're playing hip-hop i'm like that's what i want to hear at clubs i want to hear hip-hop at a club i want to dance with a girl not by myself you know so i'm downstairs and then they start passing around some molly and some say, you want to do it? And I'll never forget that. That first one was blue. I'm like, Ooh,

I don't know. I don't know. So I took it. Me and my buddy both took it and it hit us. That, that first hit just hits you like a fucking ton of bricks. We go upstairs and we're on the dance. We're dancing like morons,

dude. And we're looking at each other and go, you get it? He goes, I get looking at each other go you get it because i get it i go you get it i get it and from that point on you got all in the trance yeah from that point it wasn't just like that night it changed my musical taste right in one hit and i had a friend at the club who was a total r&b dude he hated techno and he would talk shit when i played techno one day you're gonna do some mauling and you're gonna be all into techno goes fuck you that'll never happen I can't stand this music

He starts dating the raver chick like six months later at the club some raver chick He ends up at a rave he ends up dropping some molly He starts coming in and bringing all these new techno CDs and he's all Full blown into trans and. Just one hit. This is the real problem. It's illegal. So when you get it from someone, you don't know what the fuck you're getting. That's the real problem with Molly. That's the real problem with MDMA. It's also the dosage.

You don't know what the dosage is supposed to be. Look, you can overdose on alcohol and alcohol is everywhere, but everybody knows what the dose of alcohol is. If you go to a bar and you get a shot of Jack Daniels, you know what that is. It's not like sometimes you get a shot of Jack Daniels, you know what that is. It's not like sometimes you get a shot of Jack Daniels and it's Jack Daniels.

Sometimes you get it and it's super fucking moonshine and it's 17 times stronger and you die. That's the problem with heroin. That's the problem with a lot of things. The real problem with MDMA seems to be that it's illegal. That's the real problem. And what they're finding is that there's great benefits if it's illegal. That's the real problem. And what they're finding is that there's great benefits

if it's used correctly. I mean, anything can be abused, but that doesn't mean we should make it illegal. And what they want to do, I think their timeline is somewhere around 2021, making it legal for therapy.

It's going to change the world. It's going to change everything. It's going to change the way people feel about the past. It's going to change the way people interact with each other. You're going to change the world. It's going to change everything. It's going to change the way people feel about the past. It's going to change the way people interact with each other. You're going to know just by people's behavior whether or not they've ever done it or not. You know where it comes from? Where MDMA comes from?

The part of it, the active ingredient that takes you, that just makes you. It's a plant, right? Where's that plant at? It's in Thailand or. They have crazy wars over it. Either Thailand or. It's like a bark. What's Cambodia? It's a plant, right? Where's that plant at? It's in Thailand. They have crazy wars over it. Either Thailand or- It's like a bark. What's Cambodia?

It's in Cambodia. It's like the bark, like something about the root of a tree trunk or something. Yeah, yeah. It has something to do with a tree. Jamie's pulling it up, but it becomes very dangerous for those people, right? Like all that-

The trafficking becomes crazy. Crazy, yeah. They fuck up forests. Forests are being chopped down just for the- Not only that, people are being murdered. It's like, it's heavy duty stuff. Is it sassafras? I don't know.

Is that what it says? I Googled it and just looked at the images and that's what's popping up. I think it was an ice- MDMA Cambodia trees. Yeah, that's what I- MDMA bark. Is it sassafras? Okay, maybe that is.

Sassafras and safroli. Sassafras, yeah. I guess it's sassafras. Dude, it's a plant. Whatever that plant is, they take the... Just Google Vice, the making of ecstasy. Because I'm pretty sure Vice did this. Could you Google that, please?

I think Vice had a special on that. I wonder what would happen if you just ate it raw. I wonder. Can you do that? Is there a special? What does it say? The truth about ecstasy. Yeah, so is there some sort of a vice episode where they grow this stuff?

Anyway, this should be something that's not distributed by criminals wearing ski masks like you've seen in this video should be something distributed by stores and there should be doctors and if you wanted it you could have a rave where you even have medical centers in the rave where you keep people from overdosing yeah when they're the transitionary period from people going from drugs being totally illegal to some drugs having massive benefits. Like if you go to a club, right, and everyone there is, come on, we're doing shots, we're doing shots. The whole fucking bar is getting wasted and drunk. Everybody's fine with that, but you're not fine with a club where everybody does a small amount of ecstasy.

Well, why can't you do that? Well, that's drugs. Well, the other one's drugs, too. You're just used to those drugs. Once we get past that hurdle, and it might take a whole generation before people get used to places where you can go. One drug gets you violent. One drug makes you want to have sex. But listen, you're not going to stop that drug. Here's my point. It's a powerful, really useful drug. People are going to find out about it. It's an amazing experience. They're going to do it. So what's the best way to handle that? Best way to handle is

make it safe, make it legal, make it regulated. So they know what actually is in each one of these fucking pills. You're not getting it from some pimp or some asshole or some fucking crazy dude who stuffed it in a balloon, put it up his asshole and made it across the border with it. You don't know where the fuck you're getting this stuff. And they cut it with all sorts of shit. All sorts of shit. Amphetamines and all sorts of crazy shit.

And people die from it because they don't know what the fuck is in there. Here it is. Yeah. Okay. It says, oh boy, M-R-E-A-H-P-R-E-W-P-H-N-O-M trees. Marie Prou Pram trees in Cambodia. And they're found in Cambodia's, oh, sassafras. The factory's been set up to distill sassafras oil process by boiling the roots in the trunk of the exceptionally rare plant. Oh,

they're really rare trees too. Wow. How crazy is that? How many of these fucking trees are like in the middle of the rainforest that we don't know about? You know? I mean, there's got to be some shit where they haven't tapped into it yet. They're finding all sorts of different pharmaceutical drugs that they concoct out of stuff they plant. In the Amazon? Yeah. Isn't it something like insects are evolving so fast in the Amazon that they only have names for, I think, 10% of the insects.

90% they have no names. No, it's crazy. Is that true? They have all sorts of bugs in the Amazon for sure That they haven't identified They know that for a fact And they do evolve They're a rare thing Where you can

There's like some Primitive life forms You could find That didn't exist before Like they found this crayfish I think it's in India Or Europe Maybe Europe

Crayfish that Produces by cloning They don't have sex So female They're all female And one crayfish Just makes a bunch of other babies Just makes babies They don't have sex. So female, they're all female. And one crayfish just makes a bunch of other babies. Just makes babies.

She doesn't need sex. She doesn't need sex. And they're like, what the fuck? I mean, obviously there's no genetic diversity, right? Because they obviously would need a male DNA to mix with the female DNA. There it is. Mutant crayfish clones itself and it's taking over Europe.

So this crayfish doesn't fuck. They just reproduce. Like one crayfish could itself and it's taking over Europe. So this crayfish doesn't fuck. They just reproduce. Like one crayfish could just reproduce. It's really bananas. So this is a new thing that didn't exist 25 years ago. This is something that they're very sure wasn't a living organism up until recently. Here's the good thing. Crayfish are delicious.

People are starving to death. Now they got some motherfuckers that all you have to do is just throw some stuff in there You don't have to count on them fucking maybe it's the same stuff that made the frogs gay Could be could be bro. Maybe it's linked could be But if you I mean it could be could be pesticides could be Look, there's another thing about the amount of people that flush pills down the toilet and how much that shit goes through water treatment plants and into aqueducts and into reservoirs and shit. Yeah. There's a lot of pills that get flushed down our toilets and some of them make it into rivers and shit.

Some of them make it into the ocean. You know what's supposed to be particularly bad? I never thought about this until a friend of mine who's a surfer told me. He was a yoga teacher. He was a surfer and said nobody told him, and he got real sick because he went into the ocean right after the rain. You can't go to the ocean after the rain because when it rains in L.A., all that bullshit, all the chemicals and toxins and cleaners and oil

and gasoline and plastic washes into the water, like right at the shore. And that's where it's all just swashing around in there with the waves. And you get in there and you get sick as fuck. You're basically getting poisoned. Is there some kind of filtration system before they just let all the water just run right into the ocean? It runs right in from the streets, from the runoff, just from the streets. I think, where does the toilet water go? Does that separate?

Toilet water goes through a sewage system different system yeah it goes through a sanitation system but sometimes those break i was uh at the charles river in boston once and i was uh it was like right across the street from where i lived and i'd hang out there all the time when i was a kid and i was standing there on the shore and i saw these bubbles and like these chunks of things floating up to the water. I was like, what the fuck is that? And then I saw a condom bloop come up. And I went, oh, that's a sewer pipe. They're flushing condoms and like shit and condom water.

It's coming right through the fucking ground into this river where all these fish live. These fish are probably living off of human shit. What's the water like after the sewage water runs through the filtration system? What is that water like? Perfect. And where does it go? Fiji.

Does it go into Fiji? $2.99 for eight ounces. Based on what I saw online, it seems like Fiji water is the best water out there. It's pretty good. They tested a lot of bottled water, and a lot of bottled water has a lot of bullshit in it. Look at this.

After 50 years, Boston's Charles River just became swimmable again. Took $500 million and nearly two decades of work. Here's how the city did it. That's it, man. That was the river that's connected to over—that river went all the way down near my house. Why was it so polluted people are gross well dude when and people started building shit in the 1800s they didn't give a fuck about the future they took that sewer pipe and went just lay it right there and pump it right into the fucking ocean i'm gonna take a shit right in that water it's gonna go shooting down that

pipe and drop right on a fish's head who cares they didn't give a fuck when they were building things they would have all their industrial runoff just go right into rivers they taught down that pipe and drop right on a fish's head. Who cares? They didn't give a fuck. When they were building things, they would have all their industrial runoff just go right into rivers. They polluted thousands of rivers. Like who the fuck knows how many fish died because people in the early days of the industrial revolution were fucking assholes. They didn't have any consequences. They didn't think about the possibility of completely destroying the environment.

Like that didn't exist before the age of the industrial machines. The only time it existed before that was in dead bodies would pollute river systems and shit after war. Like when people would throw bodies into rivers, that would fuck up people's wells, that would fuck up any drinking water. People got real sick from that. How did kings shit?

What did their toilets look like back in the 1500s, 1600s? It looked like some dude that hates mouth. Yeah, you know exactly, right? They had to have pimp-ass toilets for the kings back in the day. I'm sure they did. Why don't you Google it, Jamie? Google toilet from King Henry VIII. King Henry VIII is the guy who killed all his wives, right?

I got toilets from all the way who killed all his wives, right? I got toilets from all the way back in the BCs, but I'm going to go to more reasonable. King Henry VIII got tired of those ladies, just cut their fucking heads off. Where does a king's loaf go to? Where does it lead to? It's inspected by doctors. They want to make sure he's got enough fiber in his diet

to keep his highness alive. Where did the king's shits go? What did you just find, Jamie? What's that face? Something called a thunder mug. Oh, nice. Pull that up. Make sure it was what it was supposed to be.

Here we go. Hold on. Make sure. Oh, okay. This is from the 1600s. That's what he shit into? No, that's what I was saying. This is a Shakespearean chamber pot,

not the bard's own thunder mug, but it is a typical chamber pot that's what they would call them chamber pots so it's a pot you shit in like literally shit in a pot that looks sturdy so it's really like a toilet bowl it's like a toilet bowl it just doesn't have water in it right do you think

they've left water in it to make it easier to clean probably next to it probably smart to have water in there so you plop in the water yeah yeah otherwise you get a couple slaves to pull it out dump and you're good like if you ever have to have water in there. So you plop it in the water. Yeah. Yeah. Otherwise. You get a couple of slaves to pull it out, dump it and you're good. Like if you ever have to take a shit on a plane and you see how little water there is in that little thing that you're dropping logs into. And then when you flush,

it never gets it all, you know, and you got to think, do I just like play stupid and get out of here? I got to give a courtesy flush. American revolution is a hole in the ground. Nice. Imagine falling into that hole in the ground. Nice. Imagine falling into that hole.

That's your death. You choke to death on shit. It's happened. 100% it's happened. It's happened. I read about a dude who fell into a septic tank. He fell into a septic tank and drowned. He had a septic tank in his backyard.

And he was fixing it somehow or another, and it broke. He fell through, and he drowned! In a fucking septic tank. How did they get rid of their shit in the city, just regular peasants? They just threw it out on the streets, or did they have to collect it and drag it out to the woods? That's a good question.

Well, there was a real issue in Rome in the early days of people shitting in the streets. And apparently, there's a lot of people in San Francisco right now that are shitting in the streets. And apparently, there's a lot of people in San Francisco right now that are shitting in the streets. It's a real issue. Jake Shields, my friend, the MMA fighter, jujitsu master, Jake Shields, you know Jake Shields, of course. He put a video up on Instagram

of some dude shitting, like pulling his pants down and like shitting right into the street. Like he said, it's happening everywhere. San Francisco has an amazing amount of bums I think was Jake Shields I don't want to speak out of turn pretty sure that's the best city for homeless people for sure they let people do whatever the fuck they want in that city they're so nice it's so open-minded and they feel so guilty because they made a

billion dollars from like browsers comm or some shit you know they made all that tech money yeah you know like it's a different kind of money they're they're so liberal in comparison to like wall street banker type dudes those dudes are like cutthroat right wing like private jet fuck you minko big watch go go go i'm doing coke whereas the money on the other side like the tech money they're all like well diversity is really important and and women they need to be represented in tech and this is their space this is the space for them to we need to let them know we need to encourage that like they're so left-wing and they're like these homeless people they also are just because they don't have an

address doesn't mean this city is not equally theirs. We have to help them and offer aid. Crackheads just taking diarrhea splatter shits against walls. They just let these people get away. They were fucking mentally ill people. And they just let them wander around through their streets. If they really cared, you know what they would do? They would really put some money into taking care of these people. Instead of just letting them wander around the street shitting all over the place have a place where you can get

them clothes from the salvation army or something like that have a place where you give them regular showers have something that's like appealing they can go to all the time so you keep them from just shitting on the streets in front of everybody like that's crazy bill Corrigan had a residency in San Francisco maybe eight years ago. And it was all about him just writing songs on the spot and then going on stage that night and doing brand new songs, like a weird kind of residency. And he had this one song that he wrote about. He was just hanging out in the park in San Francisco and just wrote about the bums and how disgusting it all was. And called the song Peace and how disgusting it all was and called the song peace and love excellent song one of his greatest songs it's deep it's about the bums

there's so many man we used to run into him all the time we did gigs in san francisco we'd go out to eat and you'd have to do like this bum obstacle course on the way to the restaurant like oh here comes one get across the street oh no no no no no no they're super aggressive too yes yes people are real tolerant there yeah but isn't that better that's better than the opposite it's better i think it's good to live in a place that's as tolerant as possible even if the super lefties get annoying you don't want the opposite see they might fuck up because there's the same sort of mentality that goes on with people on the far left and people in the far right that mentality is my way is the right way i'm right you're wrong fuck you i'm gonna make you change i'm gonna make you do what and that doesn't work that doesn't

work on anybody but i always feel like it's safer and better when that's happening towards like kindness and compassion and income equality and all these things that are, I see like, even though it gets very authoritarian, I see that at least it has like a good heart to it all. Like even if it's misguided, some of it's missed, some socialism is misguided or even if they're pretending. Yeah.

There's always that. That's a good move, right? If you're going to pretend you pretend towards the left. Yeah. If you want to make some money. Yeah. You could steal all sorts of tax money. Just pretend you're going to pretend, you pretend towards the left. Yeah. If you want to make some money. Yeah. You could steal all sorts of tax money.

Just pretend you're helping people. There's definitely a lot of that going on. There's no doubt about that. Dude, we haven't talked about Tony Ferguson. It's two o'clock. Yeah. This is the kind of podcast we do. Is it two o'clock already?

Dude. Holy shit. We ramble. We ramble. God damn. We have to talk about Tony Ferguson, seeing as how you're his jujitsu coach. And I was fucking convinced. I told Jamie.

I told Jimmy Smith. I'm like, I'm not buying it. I'm not buying it. It's April Fool's. This shit's coming out on April Fool's. Fuck you, man. You'll fool me once. Shame on you.

Fool me 50 times or how many times I've been busted by April Fool's. There's no fucking way Tony Ferguson got hurt a week before the fight. There's no way. Yeah. And it's true. That's the first thing I thought. I'm like, oh, my God, everyone's going to think this is April Fool's fight. There's no way. Yeah. And it's true. That's the first thing I thought. I'm like, oh my God, everyone's going to think this is April Fool's. That's what Dana said.

Yeah. No one's going to believe this. You know, I found out late Saturday night. You know, I'm in the studio with Danny Loner just making some music. and you know I knew something might have been wrong because we were supposed to work Saturday afternoon

and he never knows shows he's late a lot but he was late and I'm just hanging out in front of the studio he's got his own gym now and after a while he didn't return his text I'm like something you know he's he's a fucking superstar there's a lot of shit going on so I just said okay fuck it so I left and went on with my day went in the studio and then I get the text like at 11 25 at night saturday night he said i fucked i fucked up my knee i blew my fucking lcl out um

he wants to fight he wants to fight he does not he did not not want to fight but his doctor said you can't fight and he was like i need a second opinion so he went to the ufc doctors they said nope you can't fight his lcls detached from his knee. According to, so it's pulled from the bone. It's pulled off the bone. That's what they said. It's really, it's, it's not like usually you tell Dana described it.

Yeah. Usually you tear your LCL or your MCL usually. Cause I've, I've done my MCL before it repairs on its own. So thick, according to what the doctors tell me, I don't know shit, but there,

uh, you know, but you need to tell your meniscus, you probably need surgery for that. Or you tear your meniscus you probably need surgery for that or you tear your ACL You for sure need surgery for that if it's a physical if it's a complete tear but the LCL and the MCL the only time they're they Again, according to what I hear the only time we need surgery is if it's fucking blown the fuck out like motorcycle X accent right freak things and

When I say Tony wanted to fight he would have fought with that shit. He didn't give a fuck. They wouldn't let him fight. He wanted to fight. Was he walking with sunglasses on indoors? I don't know. I don't know what he was wearing. This is what Dana was saying, I think.

Said he tripped over some wires. You know those thick cables that they lay? Yeah, yeah. Apparently he tripped over one and. Some, you know those thick cables that they lay? Yeah, yeah. Apparently he tripped over one and fell. Fuck. That's insane. It's the craziest thing ever. It's insane.

It's so crazy. It's so sad. That fight is doomed. Dana White said he would never put that fight on again. I'm like, are you crazy? Book that shit again. The thing that sucks is- maybe four is the magic number. Dana said in an interview,

kind of hinted or alluded to the fact, I hope I'm wrong, I hope I'm wrong, but that they're going to strip Tony of his interim belt. Like, you know, Robert Whitaker. Where'd you see that? Someone told me. I didn't hear it,

so that's why I'm saying, I don't know if it's true. Someone said, yeah, Danny just did an interview. He was hinting like, or he said it in such a way that Tony's going to get stripped of his belt. And I thought, that's ridiculous.

Well, here's my question. If someone is the champ, right, and they get injured and they can't defend their title, then they have an interim title, right? But if the interim guy gets injured and can't defend their title. Then they have an interim title, right? Yeah. But if the interim guy gets injured and can't defend... The interim title. Do they strip the... Does that ever happen?

Robert Whitaker, he went through the same thing. Tony Ferguson loses interim lightweight title when Nurmagomedov and Holloway square off. So I guess they're taking the title from him. Yeah, they didn't do that. I mean, they didn't do that to Robert Whitaker. He was the interim champion. Should they have an interim interim? No?

I don't know, man. It doesn't seem right. They let Whitaker take 11 months off to recover. Why would they do that? It was the exact same thing. It was the exact same situation. Robert Whitaker was fighting for the interim, or he had the interim title.

He was going to fight. I forget who it was. It was either Yolo or Merrow. I forget who it was. It was either, was it Yolo Romero? I forget who it was. And then he got injured. They didn't strip him. Right. Why are they stripping Tony?

Do you feel like it's punishment for him getting injured a week out? Like they're pissed and like, fuck it, strip him? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, but that's... You can't do that, right? That's not right. I mean, he got he did tony wanted to fight more than anybody we got it but what do you do like if he happens four weeks ago and it's

an injury in training and he tears it from the bone is that they just reschedule the fight right yeah and it's still for the interim title why is it like a week out the interim is cancelled? Maybe it's because they have to make a big fight with Max Holloway versus Khabib for the world lightweight title. That costs Tony a lot of money because he has the interim belt. This was going to be

by far the biggest payday ever for him. I mean, he was making some good money. It's because of the belt. So if you strip him, his next mean, he's making some good money. It's because of the belt. So if you strip him, his next fight, he doesn't have that belt anymore to get money. So he'll get significantly less money? If you don't have a belt, hell yeah.

What if Max or Khabib wins, right? One of them I assume is going to win. Whoever one it is. And then Tony gets healthy. And then they're going to have Tony fight one of those guys for the title, he would get less than he would have for this fight? If he doesn't have the belt. Really? So that's part of the contract?

If you're going to negotiate for a fight and you have a belt, you have way more power than if you don't have a belt. So by stripping him of the belt, his next fight when he heals up and comes back he's gonna it's gonna cost him you know and it's not fair because again robert whitaker didn't get stripped of his interim belt they should max holloway and khabib should just fight just you know a main event fight doesn't have to be for a belt because that's gonna fuck tony well why would would it fuck Tony if he still gets the interim title? If he kept the interim title, then it wouldn't fuck him. Yes, exactly.

For his next fight when he negotiates for his next fight. And then he would be interim title holder versus world title holder. Why does Max and Khabib have to fight for a belt? It doesn't have to be for a belt. Well, the thing is the UFC holds all the cards. They can make up the rules. They can do whatever they want when it comes to the rankings and stuff, right? They can't do whatever they want when it comes to rules.

So with their position, they're like, look, this is going to cost a shitload of money. How do we recoup that money? You know, how do we, okay, we get Holloway to fight. Oh, that's almost as big. That's a giant fight too. Okay, now we're back. Now we're back in business. And the stripping him him thing i don't know what the policy is on that i don't know if there's a public policy or if it's just they just i think they could do i think they

could do whatever they want to do i don't think they would never give up um that power if they did have it like to some organizing body like why would they right because organizing bodies could even get corrupted but i think you have to be very careful when you make like interim titles that you don't make too many of them and you don't have them around too often you know like once you have them you got to get them resolved pretty quick like they're they they're a way to build up excitement about the fight but I mean, I don't think they would have stripped him if he got injured four weeks ago. But who knows? I might be wrong.

They might just be, maybe they have a new policy. Maybe they're just stripping people. But then Conor hasn't fought in 500 days. He's not stripped yet. Conor's not stripped yet. He hasn't fought in more than 500 days. MMA.

Last time he fought was Eddie Alvarez That was his last MMA fight That was a long time ago man That was a long time ago And then he hasn't been stripped So imagine being a lightweight Just sitting around waiting While he's on boxing TV

Having a boxing match with Floyd Mayweather He doesn't even get stripped of his title Doesn't defend it Makes 100 million bucks They're like when are you fighting again And I was like who fucking. He doesn't even get stripped of his title. Doesn't defend it. Makes a hundred million bucks. They're like, when are you fighting again? And I was like, who fucking knows? He doesn't say shit. It would be a lot clearer as what to do in this situation.

If Conor would have just fought like a regular lightweight champion, there wouldn't be this interim confusion. It's so good for Conor though. All of it just makes him bigger and bigger. It's like they even changed the rules for him. You know? I mean, like, think about that. For him, like, it just makes him bigger.

He hasn't fought in 500 days. Who fucking cares? He's just rolling around in a bathtub full of $100 bills every day. Just diving in there and swimming. He can do whatever the fuck he wants. Yeah. Did you see that documentary on Netflix? No, I didn't.

It's really good. Really good. Yeah. He knew he was documentary on Netflix? No, I didn't. It's really good. Is it? It's really good. Yeah. He knew he was going to be a champion back in the day. It starts when he has just one tattoo, the one down his back. That's it. None of the neck tattoos or anything.

And he already knew. He knew he just had dynamite in his hands. Yeah. Crushing people on the local scene. Crushing them. Yeah. One shot. Boom. Yeah, I saw him fight in 2013 I think

somewhere around there in his first Chance at the UFC. I wouldn't have known if I didn't see this documentary. It's hard to keep track of everything but Was in Sweden. It was a Swedish show. It was like last-minute replacement. They brought a man and He fought what was his name black guy It was a Swedish show. It was like last minute replacement. They brought him in and he fought, what was his name? Black guy. Shit, I forget his name.

Good guy, real good guy. And he lit him up. And that was like, damn. After that one fight, like there's footage of him and Dana and like Dana was already, he already knew. He goes, man, I guess the hype was real. Jesus. My favorite fights with him are the two fights with Nate Diaz though you know why because those are

the fights where he couldn't put someone away just crack him and put him away so you had to see him fight yeah he had a fight yeah and it's a totally different game like if you see what he did to Eddie Alvarez that was a totally different kind of fight. Because he stung Eddie early, had him hurt, and he was his. He owned him. And then he fucked him up and stopped him. That was a beating. What round was that? I think it was the second.

I think it was the second. He barely made it out of the first, right? Yeah, barely made it. I mean, he got fucked up from the get-go. Conor just had his numbers. Way faster, way quicker, and covering distance. Just like laser beams at night. And I don't think Eddie fought right.

I think Eddie was a little bit too caught up in the moment. This is the big hype of the fight, getting to fight Conor McGregor, and he just got fucked up. Conor had his hands behind his back and standing right in front of him, chicken necking him, and then popping him in the face. That was ugly. So that, you know, like what year was that? That was 500 days ago. Like that kind of fight is a great fight for Conor, but that's all hammer.

When he fought Nate, he had to be the nail through a lot of that. The whole fucking second round of the first fight when Nate got him down was the second round submission, right? Wasn't it? I don't know when he submitted him. Did Nate submit him in the second round? What are you looking at me funny?

You got something? These fools pull out more than I do with my dick. That's what Conor said. These fools pull out more than I do with my dick. I like how he had to specify with his dick. So he must have only pulled out four times max. That's not that great. The fights with Nate were fights know he had to dig deep

and he lost the first one he got beat up he got taken down he got his back taken he got choked he tapped i mean he fucking lost that fight and then the second fight he drops nate but he can't put nate away nate gets back up they're going after it there's fucking times where he's got to stand and walk away he's got to walk away because he's too tired. He can't engage right now. So he walked away a couple times in those exchanges. Those were dig, dig fights. What's this, buddy?

Round two. Round two, yeah. Yeah, okay. Submission, re-naked choke. Four minutes and 12 seconds into round two. Yeah, he beat him down, wore him down, and then stopped him. And the fight that Conor won, could that have gone either way? Yes. Right? There was arguments, right?

Yes. Very close fight. I don't remember that much. I think under the new rules, Conor probably would have won because I think, look, I think even just one knockdown's not good enough for a 10-8 round. It's just not, you know, in a five-minute round, like one knockdown.

It depends on how the other exchanges were going. If the exchanges were all the same and then you cracked them once, you definitely won. But did you win 10-8? Like 10-8 is a beatdown, I think, you know. But even then, I think that should be wrong. I don't think it should be that. I think it should be like 100 points.

And I think they should have, like, scores for, like, 1 through 10 in striking, 1 through 10 in wrestling, 1 through 10 or non with it or non applicable if there's no wrestling at all you just attend but you got to look at it this way though if if you could have a fight and in one round it's super close and really nothing happened it's super close and no one really connected anything and that happens all the time that's a 10-9 round right um should uh and then you you compare that to another round where a guy got dropped but it was kind of a flash knock down he pops back up and then they then it's kind of even for the rest of the round that can't be a

10-9 too so either you got to make more uh 10-10 rounds or 9-9 rounds and then you could say okay knock down doesn't necessarily mean 10-8, because then a 10-9 is going to mean one dude clearly won and he landed some good shots. That's a 10-9. Right, right. So it's all how you lay it down. So if you're going to give a dude where the round could have gone either way

and you're going to give someone a 10-9 and it looks just like a dude getting knocked down, that should be different. So it all depends how. just like a dude getting knocked down, that should be different. So it all depends how, add more draws,

or make it so that if you knock a dude down, that's an automatic 10-8 round. You knock a dude down, that's 10-8. You knocked him down. 10-7. What if he's beating your ass? What if he's beating your ass all over the place, and then you catch him with like five seconds to go drop him, and he gets right back up,

and he cracks you with a jab? Do you still get a 10-8 because you dropped him? I think that's a 9-9. Yeah, it's a 9-9 maybe. Right? I guess. But it depends on how much he's beating your ass before that. If the guy's beating your ass down the whole round,

and then you clip him once and he drops, maybe you weren't really beating him down that hard. Maybe you just looked like it because he still cracked you. If weren't really beating him down that hard, maybe it just looked like it because he still cracked you. If you were really beating him down, how was he able to knock you down? So you really- That happens all the time, guys still have power,

especially if you run into something. That's a hard one to score. That's a hard one to score. A knockdown, then a beatdown, you get outclassed the whole match, or the whole round, and then you get knocked down once. Do you remember when- It's a draw.

Drago, Pete Sell fought Scott Smith? From Rocky IV? No. No, I'm kidding. I thought that's what you were saying. Do you remember when

Drago in the second round against Rocky? We met him a long time ago at Matt Serra's place. Remember Pete Sell? Do you remember Pete Sell?

Yes, I know exactly who he is. Pete dropped, he hurt Scott Smith real bad with a left hook to the body. Like Scott doubled over and winced. And Pete moved in for the kill. Yes. And Scott Smith just landed the perfect picture point.

But he was like, wasn't he faking it? No. He was faking it? No. He dropped in agony after he knocked him out. Yeah. Pete hooked him to the body, hurt him real bad. And when Pete moved in for the kill

scott smith hit him with a picture project i do remember i remember that just knocked him out he falls back and then scott smith drops to the ground if they stop to fight and he's in agony holding on to his side it was crazy it was crazy see that can't happen like even if you're beating a guy down they're still moving if they still just plant and just uncork one Pat Barry check Congo Remember that shit Pat Barry had check Congo on Co we're Street He was wobbling and dude all over the place. It looked like the fight was over and Pat moves in for the kill and boom Check Congo hits him with a haymaker as he's running in flat lines Pat Barry for the first time in his career As he's running in, flatlines Pat Barry for the first time in his career.

Shit can happen. If you're not knocked out, you're still moving, you still can knock someone out. It can happen. Especially if they get careless. There it is. Hits him with the left. Look at this. Boom.

I mean, that's a picture perfect left hook to the body. But watch this. He's in agony. If Pete moves in, bam. I mean, that is a crazy right hand. That's like round nine of Lang versus Balboa look at my ground and agony afterwards Pete so couldn't even believe it happened yeah you should always faint before you move in always always even if you think you got a guy hurt yeah him one of those yeah just check just see what's up just give him a piece like this like oh okay

okay give me something show me what you got going on I mean the best guys they never just charge like Max Holloway we finished off Aldo it's just constant pressure

constant pressure but when he feels Aldo firing back he's like oh I'll step back for a second right back on you baby who's the best fainter Max Holloway's pretty god damn good at it it seems like I just saw someone

fight in the UFC or maybe Bellator that was like always just fainting. That's always pretty goddamn good at it. It seems like I just saw someone fight in the UFC or maybe Bellator that was like, I'm always just fainting. Wonderboy. Wonderboy might get my vote for the best fainter. Because Wonderboy also has, it's like what style fainting is most effective? Wonderboy has an extra advantage of having that right leg forward or left leg forward, whichever he chooses. Sideway stance with that long body of his. That a weird thing i've dealt with that man in the old

martial arts days and taekwondo days it's the hardest thing to deal with those long guys that can have a that have a powerful front leg he just keeps you away you don't know what the fuck he's doing so he faints and then bam he comes in with the left hand or he faints and boom there's a roundhouse kick in your face. I think he's the most – because he doesn't – also, he doesn't move like everybody else. Everybody else has like sort of a modified Taekwondo style or Muay Thai style rather except for the Taekwondo guys. There's a few guys like – even Conor. Conor has more of a karate style a lot of the times.

He'll stand like – like when you see him fight Aldo, he stood totally sideways. I mean, he was bouncing back and forth, back and forth like a karate fighter. Remember how Don the Dragon Wilson used to fight? He used to just get up on one leg and just keep his left leg up and kind of flip it. And just be on one leg and just keep the left leg all the way up. Dude, I sparred with that guy once. It's annoying, right? He's very good at that.

He's very good at that. He's very good at that. He was real nice to me. How come more people don't do that? Too much energy? Well, he was... You could tie kick him. You could tie kick him, right? Dude, he's good at that, too.

If you watch Don Wilson's fight with Dennis Alexio, Don Wilson fucked Dennis Alexio up back when Dennis Alexio didn't know about leg kicks. Dennis Alexio wound up becoming one of the very best guys

at leg kicks. He was also one of the first guys I ever saw get his leg broken in a fight. He fought Stan the Man Longinidis, and he had a grass skirt on. From Australia. Yes. Eddie Promo's got the fucking knowledge. I remember that shit. And Stan Longinidis, he used to work with my friend Shooky.

Remember Shooky? The Jewish guy. Yeah. Israeli guy. Yeah. Who was teaching me kickboxing back in the day. His leg was all fucked up because he would hold pads for Stan Longinidis. He had that big old Thai leg pad.

Like if you think some people, like if you see a guy who kicks real hard, right? The heavyweight world champion Muay Thai guys or Thai boxer, kickboxer guys like a Stan Longinidis, the power they have in their kick is unfathomable remember I brought this up with you but you say it wasn't you I was at Beverly Hills Jiu-Jitsu once and we were watching Pedro Hizzo kick the bag and I was like what like you just think of one of those slamming into your thigh and you're like there's no way there's no way Shuki's whole leg was fucked up from holding the pad on one side. He was going to need a hip replacement.

Damn. Dude, imagine a guy kicks your leg while you're holding pads for him so hard you need a hip replacement. What? It was not worth it. Don and Dragon Wilson beat Dennis Alexio with leg kicks, is my point. But Don had that weird style. Like, he would stand totally sideways. And he didn't take any chances.

He fought super intelligent. He fought deep into his 40s, too, man. He's an OG. Yeah, yeah. Don Wilson's a real OG. I did commentary with him. He was my partner in King of the Cage for maybe five or six shows. Man, talk about the worst commentary ever.

Me and Don the Driving Wilson. Really bad? Oh, yeah. Can you imagine? Oh, no. Commentary is just not, that's not my gig, man. I could do color, but being the play-by-play guy, that's just a whole different animal.

I did that once. With Phil Barone. Phil Barone was fucking hilarious. It was the Miami show. Yep, yep. Was that the only UFC in Miami? I think that was the only one ever right? Um

I don't know about that Is this Don the Dragon? Is this Don Wilson? Who's he fighting here? There he is Look at him in these red pants man Dennis Lexio Oh it's him fighting Dennis Lexio

Yeah See how he would just flip that thing out Everything was like light and flippy And they couldn't Yeah they didn't know what to do with it They couldn't kick to the legs, right? Oh, they could. Oh, they could?

Yeah. Oh, look at that side kick. Yeah, no, they could. See? He just kicked him in the leg right there. Don Wilson fucked him up with leg kicks in this fight. See, Dennis Alexio was trying to kick him in the legs. This is after what had happened was a lot of these guys like Don Wilson that had a traditional karate background, learned how to kickbox,

they realized how potent leg kicks were. A big factor was Rick the Jet Rufus, Duke Rufus's brother, who was one of the all-time best PKA style above the waist kickboxers. Rick Rufus, when I was a kid, man, I wanted to be like Rick Rufus he would fight dudes sideways stance and just fucked him up fucked him up with hook kicks and roundhouse kicks and and dive in with punches like blitz karate style punches I mean Rick Rufus was doing shit that nobody was doing and he fought this Thai dude I do not remember the gentleman's name but Duke Rufus brought it up on a podcast as being like a big transformation in his life because that tie guy he just chopped rick down just chopped those legs they were like a mixed rules a little bit of muay thai a little

bit of american kickboxing they allowed the leg kicks but they didn't allow elbows or something like that exactly mixed it up and and like k1 yes here it is what is the what is the guy's name yeah the fight that okay pause that real quick chang. Chang Puek Kiat Songgrit. Kiat Songgrit. Chang Puek. Chang Puek Kiat Songgrit. And he had an okay record. Duke was here.

Oh, well. He had more than 100 professional fights. I mean, he was a world champion. He wasn't an okay guy. He was really good. Oh, okay. He was a beast. Okay, let's see what his...

He was fucking him up with his hands, though. Rick Rufus was fucking him up with his hands. Had him hurt. Had him almost knocked out a couple times, but he kept landing those leg kicks. He didn't know about the leg kicks back then. And he had to be carried off in a stretcher. He couldn't fight because he couldn't walk.

His legs were gone. Well, he didn't know what it was there. So, I mean, this is like a long time ago. He didn't understand, but he tagged him with some punches. Oh, yeah, he couldn't know what it was there. So, I mean, this is like a long time ago. He didn't understand. But he tagged him with some punches, man. Oh, yeah. He couldn't hang with his hands. No.

Look at that. Spinning back fist and the punch behind it. Yeah, he was fucking him up. He really was fucking him up. But little by little, he was landing them leg kicks. Look how tough that Thai guy is, though. To take those shots and to bounce back. One of the greatest fights ever in kickboxing history.

Just the fact that this is how Rick Rufus learned the power of- Look at that fucking- Go back there real quick. Go back there. That guy's almost out. Go back. At the end of the round. Go back.

Watch this. Look at this move that he does. He does that touch, jumping side kick, spinning wheel kick. Hit him in the head. Dude's out on his feet. At the end of the bell, they sit him down in the corner. Out on his feet. Just keep playing this.

This is one of the greatest matches ever. One of the end of the bell they sit him down in the corner out on his feet just keep playing this this is one of the greatest matches ever it's so historically significant in martial arts I mean this is where this is where they learned yes this is where those

American kickboxers this is this was an eye opener this is like UFC 1 for kickboxing dude I remember the first time someone ever kicked me

in the leg they didn't even do it hard they did it to show me like how hard it is when you get kicked in the leg. It was like a light bulb went off. I went, oh, no. The first time I've ever heard of a leg kick, I was working at the strip club as a DJ, and one of the managers was all into karate. He always said, I've done tournament karate for 12 years. Oh, shit.

Look at this. Dude, he's lighting them up with these leg kicks. Look at that. He took me in the back one day, and he goes, dude, stand there. Let me kick you. He's lighting them up with these leg kicks and then uh, oh that oh he took me in the back One day he goes dude Stand there. Let me kick you and he kicked me with the shin. He goes people are doing this now How does that feel does he wasn't she was experimenting on my leg does this hurt? They're landing with their shin and I'm like damn it fuck that hurts with their shins. That's weird

Well, the crazy thing is when you feel it from someone who's just like tapping your leg how much it hurts. Now think of this dude whose name I can't pronounce again. Boom! So Rick would try

to throw his own kick but his low kicks were like foot kicks. I mean, he was a foot kicker. He wasn't like a shin kicker back then. Like most karate guys

were instep kickers. You would hit a guy with a roundhouse kick but you would hit him in the body with your instep. You'd hit him in the head guys were instep kickers. You would hit a guy with a roundhouse kick, but you would hit him in the body with your instep, you'd hit him in the head with your instep. Almost everything I ever did up until I started doing Muay Thai was with my insteps. Or your heel.

You know, like heel kicks, wheel kicks, stuff like that. It was incredible that Americans didn't figure that out, you know, isn't that insane? Nobody had kicked him in the leg yet. I mean, this is crazy shit. Did he hit him with a punch on the way down?

Back that up again real quick. Just a hair. Look at this. He goes down. Yeah, he elbowed him in the back of the head. Holy shit. Dude, show that again. Dude, watch this again.

Watch what happens. He goes down and on the way down watch this boom see that elbow yeah yo dude no doubt dirty elbow to the back of the dome one more time please one more time please look at this down on his way down watch his left boom yeah he fucking cracked the back of his head with an elbow referee didn't even know what an elbow was that's an invalid technique continue he totally gentlemen. He totally missed the punch. Landed with his elbow. Yeah, he tried to land a punch, but I'm not going to take any points away because you didn't land.

Dude, he's fucking that right leg up. Southpaw to southpaw. Boom. Look at that. Made him switch stances. Look at that. He's chopping him down. Dude, you can't even imagine how bad this must hurt for Rick Rufus in the middle of this fight.

He doesn't know how to block these things. He's taking one on the front leg, one on the back leg. He's just getting crushed. I mean, this is crazy. He's going across the front where the dick is. Dude, he's flat-footed now. He can't take it. Boom!

See, he can't spin. He can't spin. Look at this. Accompanied by a stomp. He stomped him. Oh, that stomp to. He stopped him. Oh That's stopped the body was legit. Oh my god Damn they need to make a movie out of this. This is crazy. They should make a move They should make a documentary from his point of view from the boy a poor Thai fighter

Right fight Rufus and make him evil like like make rick rufus the evil white guy he can't he wants to blow up the world he can't even move this is like these guys are so important it's so important to our understanding because rick rufus was so good he was so good and he was doing movie shit on people those jump roundhouse kick spinning hook kicks look at this round two i mean he was doing some really wild shit. And even landing it on this guy. Like, he was fucking good. He was a legit champion.

No doubt about it. But he just did not understand the low kick game yet. And this was, it was so important for a guy. Look at that. He lands that high kick. It was so important that a guy as good as him fought this guy. So we know for sure. It wasn't just that the Rick Rufus wasn't any good.

No, Rick Rufus was fucking real good. Real good then, too. He's getting crushed with those. And this Thai guy, look at his open hands, too. Look how he's moving forward. Just open hands. He's all about protecting himself, pushing off, and low kicking. Look at his hands. See his hand placement? I mean, that's crazy shit. Look at that. Boom,

pushing off. He's barely even trying to punch with them. He's basically just using his hands to create space and distance and give Rick Rufus something to think about and to block the punches and the kick that Rufus throws. And then boom, leg kicks. He just leg kicks him to death. Look at that. He's not punching. He's just leg kick, leg kick, hands up, hands up, leg kick. Boom. That is crazy. As soon as he stopped exchanging punches, he just started dominating the space and then

slamming those leg kicks in. Look at that. Boom. Fakes with the hand and across both thighs. That's one of the most painful ones, man. The ones across both thighs. Ah. Ah! Ah! Dude. Rob came in back when I was getting coaching from him. He tapped me across the front of my

thighs with his shin. Just dunk. Just tapped me. My legs hurt all day. This guy, wow, look at that throw. Holy shit. Those thighs can chuck each other around too, man. I posted a little clip oh shit look at that of a fight where they didn't have they just wrapped up their hands they didn't

have gloves and head butts were legal it's kickboxing where you could throw people and you could headbutt did you see that clip no i didn't see it dude it's evil a guy headbutts his opponent standing up he just just spears his head right into it and knocks the guy down just from a headbutt. And Rufus, he only stands that one way most of the time, too. So that front right leg is so vulnerable to that left outside kick because they're both southpaw. If Rook, Rick, see now he's trying to switch up and he's putting his left leg forward because he's in so much pain. Look when he walks back to his corner. Dude, he could barely walk at the end of the third round. Barely

walk. Was this in Thailand or was it in the States? I don't know where it was. It looks, it says Coors Beer on the canvas. I want to think it's in America. And plus the way they're making him, he's wearing those pants. I gotta think it's America. Those pants look so stupid in comparison. And also

Rick Rufus was also wearing pads on his feet. Oh, shit. How did he go down there? Leg kick. Another leg kick. Oh, can you rewind that, Jamie? Look at the pads. Look at the pads on his feet. Look at this. How did he go down? Boom. That was just a leg kick. Yeah. Slow kick. Caught him in the spin

and just totally took his leg out. And he's wearing those booties on the tops of his feet to protect the bones of his feet. Because he's a foot kicker. See what I'm saying? That's extra weight. You're wearing extra four ounces or whatever the fuck it is on your feet. It slows your kicks down.

And the Thai guy just has taped up ankles and shorts on. It's really interesting because this really is like kickboxing versus Muay Thai. Boom, he chops the leg again. Boom, he chops the leg again. Look at this. Rick Rufus is in so much danger here. I mean, he's basically just totally helpless. And this Thai guy is going across the shins.

He's going across the, if he's blocking with his knee, he doesn't give a fuck. He's just kicking through him, everything. Boom, look at that. Boom, look at that. He's just walking him down. Imagine how terrifying. Dude, boom, and then another one. You know how terrifying that must be

to have that guy walk you down like that? Hands out like this. They called the fight. Is that JT Will, the referee? He's a famous referee. Look at that. He was in all those karate. That's Duke right there.

No, that's not JT Will. That's Duke right there telling everybody that he didn't think that it took a lot of skill to kick someone's legs. The big historical. I mean, Duke became like the man. Look at this. Bam. crumbles tonight. Let's take a look at the monitor down here, Jeff, and see if you can show what you talk about these leg kicks. Dude became like the man. Look at this. Bam! Right there, you know, it's his buck on his knees. It's the same type of injury that ends a football player's career. You know,

I don't think it takes much talent to kick somebody in the legs. As you saw those jumping... What's crazy now? ...that Rick was throwing and all the defensive... Because he's all about legs. Yeah. Well, what's crazy is, I mean, Duke, I think, was only 19 at the time. And he's changed. He's learned.

And one of the reasons why he's so good is because he's open-minded. But he became a world champion Muay Thai fighter himself, which is crazy. It's just like jujitsu and leg locks. You know what I mean? It's just like that. Like, ah, that doesn't take any talent. You're just jumping on a guy's leg. Dude, all martial arts techniques that are effective.

There's still people that don't believe in certain techniques. And the big, another big moment for Muay Thai in the history of that martial art was Paul Varlins versus Marco Huas. Oh, yeah. That's when we saw, it was UFC 7. That's when we saw the damn,

because before UFC 7, everybody was thinking, okay, you can't really do any kind of striking. You have to learn jiu-jitsu or you will lose. It's going to be, people were just losing faith in striking altogether. Like, just work on, it was almost like jabs didn't even work back then. Like, who throws a jab in MMA? You're going to get taken down and get choked out. And UFC 7,

that's when we learned, okay, leg kicks work. You've got to learn leg kicks. Paul Varlins was 300 pounds. Yeah, that changed everything. Varlins was huge. The polar bear, they'd call him. That guy was gigantic. Marco Huas just took his legs out. And then Marco Huas, he also beat

Remco Pardew, that judo champion. You remember? He mounted him, and then Remco tapped. He goes, it's over. Once you get the mount, it's over.

Isn't that crazy? That's what he thought. That is what he thought. Isn't that crazy? Look at this. Marco Huas would get heel hooks on people and shit. Who's he fighting here?

Larry Curitan. Larry Curitan. Yeah, he gets him in the heel hook right here. I think this was the first heel hook in the UFC. Might have been. If it wasn't him, it was.

Oh, that's amazing. Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Maybe Ken Shamrock against Patrick Smith. Yes. I don't know if that was a heel hook. It was an ankle lock, wasn't it? Straight ankle lock?

Was that an ankle lock or a heel hook? Yeah, Ken probably had the first ever leg lock. And then I was going to say Oleg Taktarov. Didn't Oleg get some heel hooks? He got a knee bar and a straight ankle lock, I think. Hmm. Old school, son. Old, old school.

Oh, is that like some kind of MMA show reviewing old fights? Man. Oh, there's Marco Huas. King of the streets, baby. Can you find Paul Varland? It's V-A-R Varland. You ever talk to Eric Apple about his old days sparring with Marco? They would spar Brazilian style, which is get ready for concussions.

It's just, it didn't matter if you get your nose broken, get back in there. Like everybody was just going to war. Yeah. That's what, um, you know, everyone was scared to death of back in the early days when I was a white belt. You hear about half gracie school up in it's paul varlins versus uh marco versus this is that's paul varlins fighting it looks like in a pre-ufc fight or maybe after his ufc career he was he was a master of was it trap

fighting i don't know i think it was something It was trap fighting. Yeah. I think you're right. There it is right there at the top. It's the UFC fight. He wore a singlet. Remember? He wore a wrestling singlet. Yeah. Like, look. He's 6'7". This big fella.

Can you wear those singlets anymore? No. You can't, right? No. Why not? It's a good question. Girls can. Well, it actually looks like he's got different color shorts on, or is that the monitor?

So he's a tank top. He has a tank that the monitor? So he's a tank top. He has a tank top on. He's fighting with a tank top on. It's not even a singlet. Right? It looks like a singlet. A little bit, but doesn't it look like different colors? Well, maybe you're right.

Maybe it's just we're seeing his legs in a deer. Yeah, it probably is a singlet. Go to the last minute of the fight. Boom. The last minute of the fight. That's where he chops him down. He just chopped him down there with the first one. Boom.

Yeah. He's so much smaller than him. Look how small Marco is in comparison. Marco's a big guy. Boom. See, Paul Varlance doesn't have any idea what to do here,

so he just keeps kicking back. Oh, he just touched his leg. He just, oh, there it is. Marco's chopping him.

Oh, chopped him down. You're fucked now, son. And Marco just got on top of him and dropped hammers on him. Boom, boom. No gloves. Boom. Oh, chopped him down. You're fucked now, son. And Marco just got on top of him and dropped hammers on him. Boom, boom. No gloves. Yeah.

Damn, dude. Old school. After that, everyone started to train in leg kicks. Firmly believe we need to go back to no gloves. Firmly believe. I can't emphasize it enough.

I think people would get less hurt. I think it'd be more realistic. You gotta have Rogan fighting championships on an Indian reservation. I don't think get less hurt. I think it'd be more realistic. You've got to have Rogan fighting championships on an Indian reservation. I don't think it makes sense. I mean, I'm beating a dead horse. I know. I'm a broken record. I just don't think it makes sense to tape your wrists up.

Your wrists are very vulnerable. You shouldn't be able to just make a cast out of them and slam them into things. I feel the same way about your ankles. Like, imagine if you could tape your wrists up to the point where nobody or your ankle up to the point where nobody could ever get you in a footlock because your ankle was protected. That would be ridiculous, right? Well, essentially when you get someone in a wrist lock, what are you doing? You're pulling against the wrist.

Well, isn't that a valid technique? Okay, a valid technique like a wrist lock like this is very hard to do when someone's wrist is taped the fuck up. When your wrist is really all over here, it goes all over your knuckles, it goes all over your knuckles it goes all around your wrist it goes all around your wrist it makes it much more stable you can really dig into things it feels way better it feels way better to hit things because when you don't

especially like my hand is bigger than my wrist so if i hit things on either side it'll be like more wobbly yeah you want it that you want that bitch taped up you know solid yeah and even if your hand is the exact same size as your wrist man it's just this is a joint that is super articulating look at this wrist i mean look at all the stuff your wrist does your wrist is crazy if you really think about joints it's the only joint like it your knees don't do that shit i guess your shoulders are kind of crazy but your your wrists, when you're punching, you would have to develop some serious strength in your forearms to be able

to be a really effective bare-knuckle fighter. I mean, truly bare-knuckle. No wraps in your hands. No nothing. Just truly bare-knuckle. You would also learn that you must punch things with the top knuckles. You have to. And even then you could break them. But if you start hitting people in the jaw, like right there, with this, crack,

this fucking thing is just going to break. Hit somebody in the forehead right here, crack, it's going to break. You're going to break them. You got elbows, break them for sure. You're going to break them. But with those gloves on, you can get away with that shit. You can get away with that shit and you could pity pack guys. You could do that more and just not even try to find specific spots. Just start hitting them. You can't away with that shit and you could pity pack guys. You could do that more and just not even like try to find like specific spots.

Just start hitting them. You can't do that. You have to make sure you're getting the soft tissue. You got to target soft tissue. You got to look for the jaw. Bang. You got to look for the body. But it appears to the public to be more brutal, right?

If you don't, right? Listen, man, all you need to do is watch anybody kick somebody. Just think the fact that we let someone slam their fucking shin into some dude's face that is watch jeremy stevens when jeremy stevens fought honey j uh what's his name honey jason remember honey jason yeah i remember jeremy stevens honey jason it is like the head kick to end all head kicks Damn I don't remember it You guys aren't allowed to pull up UFC footage I wish we could

I wish we could have a special exemption What about Fight Pass? Promote Fight Pass every time you use it That would be a great way to promote it They sent me a thing one time They reached out and said here's an account But then they never responded It would be a great way to promote it

I'll talk to the UFC. I'll try to see what we can get done. If on your show you could talk about fights and have no issues with pulling up, fight pass, that would be huge for them. That would, and it's free. They don't pay me for this.

And that's how people would do it at home. They'd be hanging out with their friends, going, fuck, remember that one fight? Put it on, find it. Are you coming to New York this weekend anyway? No. Come to New York. No. Because because i gotta be there the next week anyways i gotta go to brooklyn again the following weekend for geo's fighting gordon ryan's brother

oh shit that's gonna be amazing it's gonna be awesome man those guys are awesome i love the level of jujitsu that's available right now it's insane insane right now. It's better than ever. Way better than ever. I mean, the level of, just the purple belts these days would destroy purple belts of like eight years ago. It's amazing. It's crazy. And it keeps going up and up too.

I was watching some videos today online. Instagram's huge. The loop, when you watch a technique and you can just watch it over and over again, that accelerates the learning process so much. I was watching a clip today.

I watched it like 15 times in a row. It was Cyborg doing that tornado guard pass on some big giant dude. Cyborg BJJ, I think is his name. He hit this giant dude with that tornado sweep. You know who he does? He gets under you and spins and rolls over. Very, very interesting.

Very few people can do that. He's so strong. But that's what his post was about. His post is about technique and strength. Is that like your technique is like the steering wheel, but your strength is the engine. Yes, I believe that. I believe that too. I mean, every top pro athlete has a serious strength and conditioning program.

Look at Gordon Ryan's body. Look at that kid's body. That kid's a gorilla. It's not a coincidence that he's jacked as fuck and has awesome technique and taps Cyborg. Think about how good Cyborg is, and then think about tap and cyborg and tapped him pretty handily look at that sweet man boom that was orlando sanchez too that guy weighs 300 pounds exactly that's why it's crazy that's why it's way crazy look how big this is so look at the sweep look at the sweep leg up in the air and a hand too he gets his foot in between the legs and then he pushes the hip

with his hand that's one of the greatest sweeps of all time of all time holy shit Look at this see he goes under his right arm using his foot and he tucks him under and pushes him I'd like to know what amazing I'd like to know where the left hand is at left hands on the hip watch how he rolls when he rolls him watch sees Left hand sees right hands on top the left hand seat on the hip see it pushing where on the hip though Like it looks like it's right there. It's right here. He's probably just getting anything that he can that's flat. If you look at the way his left

hamstring has got to be so strong. Oh, dude, he's a gorilla. That left hamstring. Insane, right? But it's not even just a hamstring because he looks to me like his foot's sideways. Watch when he does it again. Look, his foot is sideways like a sidekick. Look. Yeah. Look at that. I mean, it's like he's going against the inside of the leg.

This is what's even crazier. The strain is like the abductor muscles. Yeah. He's going like this way. That's nuts, man. And then look at his left leg blocking dude's left arm. Yep. Or his right leg.

I'm sorry, the right leg. Right leg. Right leg, yeah. It's amazing. Yeah, and that guy he just swept is an ADCC gold medalist and he's 300 pounds and he's a really good wrestler he's a black belt in jiu-jitsu that right there that you should just leave that on a loop at a school yeah you know what i mean well cyborg's a gorilla he's got an amazing you ever see his strength and conditioning routines uh no that motherfucker doesn't play dude He's a gorilla He's a gorilla

All the top guys Oh yeah You got to I just saw Andrew Galvao doing deadlifts Yes Today He's doing deadlifts in his garage

Let me ask you this Is it better to just let the deadlift I was going to ask you Because of that When he deadlifts He drops it go Is that the best way to do it You tell me

I don't know shit I don't know shit either I would always think That the negatives are important Negatives for me are I don't know shit. I don't know shit either. Yeah. I would always think that the negatives are important. I mean. Negatives for me are very important. Like for chin-ups, I go way slower going down. It seems like every six months there's a whole new philosophy on strength.

And it's totally the opposite of the last one. It's so crazy. It is crazy. Like now the big thing is, you know, with intermittent fasting, it's like, okay, there's all these diets and eat this and gluten that and all this. And then now the new diet is don't eat for 18 hours. I know. Isn't that crazy?

That is crazy. Dude, that shit works. You know what's great about that is it makes you have a time every day where you're going to have the most fabulous meal ever. Because when I eat, I'm starving. And salads taste so good. Like, oh, I want a big can. You have a double salad? Yeah.

Yeah. And when you're not that hungry, now I feel like if I'm not that hungry, I don't want to waste a meal. Because it's so much better when you're starving and you're out of control. Yeah. I eat that way most of the time except on days when I know I have a really brutal workout in the morning, like a weightlifting workout. I'll run fasted.

I'll do yoga fasted. But if I'm going to lift, I want to have something. I need some fruit or something. It's almost three right now. I haven't eaten at all. Dang. Yeah, and I'm fine.

Dang. Fine. You know, it's an interesting diet. I hope it isn't bullshit. No, it's definitely not bullshit I was never a morning person either like I never I never really looked forward to breakfast It was always that I'd have like a protein bar or something just cuz I had to Did you ever listen to my podcast I did with Dom de Augustino? He's a scientist from I think he's University of Florida. But a ketogenic specialist

does a lot of keto research and research on fasting and the benefits of fasting. He goes into the scientific benefits the proven benefits of fasting. Very, very interesting stuff. What were the most... I would really want to direct you to that. I don't want to fuck it up. But it's for

prevention of cancer. Really? Yeah. Ketone bodies in the blood increase. Cognitive improvements. I just think we eat too much. Yeah. I just think we eat too much.

We eat all the time. It's so easy. I like watching TV and snacking. You know? I like to watch a little Netflix and have some snacks. We all do. But if I'm watching Netflix and it's 9 o'clock at night, I really shouldn't be eating anything. Isn't it weird that popcorn became the official food for watching movies?

Isn't that weird? I know. It's loud and chewy and shit. You can't hear a dialogue. No one says, hey, dude, let's go get some popcorn. No one ever looks for popcorn unless they're at the movies. That's a good point. What is it?

It's the only time it's for the movies. And it's not that good. Maybe at Disneyland. Because it's like, yeah, I forgot about popcorn maybe at disneyland because it's like yeah i forgot about popcorn fucking buy that while i'm here too other than that like the circus movies circus circus circus popcorn circus got peanuts into the mix maybe there's something about the popcorn that like it's like genetically modified and it's like it helps with uh with the brainwashing just the popcorn yeah probably opens you up. It's microwave, dude.

That's what it is. They microwave the kernels and it fucks with your head, bro. Dude, you know, basically microwaves just kill everything, right? When you microwave your food, you basically just don't have anything. It's just like, yeah.

Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. Nothing survives on microwave, right? Isn't it crazy that we haven't really improved upon microwaves? Like they mastered that shit 40 years ago and it's still the same goddamn microwave you know what's really bad for you and they're going to take out of microwave popcorn when you get microwave popcorn there's fats in there that your body just doesn't know what the fuck to do with that's why those things can sit on a shelf for so long those little packets yeah i think what is it what is the toxic ingredient in microwave

popcorn that they're eliminating? It's hilarious. They decided, oh, this shit kills you, but we're going to let you sell it for two more years. They didn't just make it illegal. They made a moratorium. I think it's trans fats. I think it just might be vegetable oil fats. There's certain trans fats that your body's just like, what in the fuck is this non-food?

Yeah. You're making me eat. Yeah. We were talking about delicious protein bars before the show that give you the most unbelievable farts. That's how I know I shouldn't be eating something. Yeah. If I'm eating something and I'm just lighting the inside of my car on fire, here it is. car on fire. Here it is. Chemicals used in the lining of microwavable popcorn bags, including

perfluorocanonic acid, or PFOA, are part of a class of compounds that may be linked to infertility in humans, according to a recent study from UCLA. In animal testing, the chemicals cause liver cancer, testicular cancer, and pancreatic cancer. So that's

one thing, but I know that they ban trans fats. I might have conflated the two stories. Because what is the ban of trans fats is the one where they're giving them like all the hostess cakes, those bullshit cakes that sit on the shelf forever. Oh, ding-dongs are my favorite.

Those things, those pie cakes that you get from hostess like the lemon filling those are just trans fats to the gills the whole twinkie myth that they last 20 years or whatever i mean do people eat twinkies still like who's eating twinkies you and i were laying around fucking bored smoked a little weed watching some tv and i'm so hungry what do you got here man Twinkies are like terrible And I opened up your cabinet And you had like ring dings

And Twinkies I might grab a Twinkie Yeah if I'm starving Just laying around Yeah Survival food Chilling I might eat a Twinkie

Twinkies are like the worst Wedding cake It's just Well you know what I had last night I had strawberry shortcake US popcorn makers Could face long Expensive road

To lose trans fats Oh Okay this is why I conflated it Microwave popcorn makers could face long, expensive road to lose trans fats. Oh. Okay, this is why I conflated it. Microwave popcorn makers could face a long and difficult task, ridding their snacks of trans fats, U.S. Food and Drug Administration proposal to ban the additive goes into effect. So the U.S. is banning. So the U.S. ban on trans fats is what I got confused with. Isn't it crazy? The U.S. ban on trans fats is like they i uh what i got confused with isn't it that u.s ban on trans

fats is like a they're giving these people like two years isn't it crazy that they're they're they're making a big deal out of this they're going after the trans fats but they don't go after like like like real shit like alcohol is like killing people all day every day i know right it's like you you say why don't you say hey this is going to kill you if you keep eating it yeah but it's awesome but you're going after trans fats yeah maybe it's like someone someone in the popcorn industry just pissed off an illuminati member you don't want to go after him and this is just like a smear campaign like trans fats people need to know they're bad for you once they know they're bad for you but what about just take them what about the that one um drug that everyone's getting addicted to that's legal?

Adderall? No, it's like heroin. Morphine? Fentanyl? No, no. Methadone. Very popular prescription. Oxycontin?

Oxycontin. Oh. Yeah, Oxycontin for sure fucks your life up. 100%. But if you have serious pain, it also alleviates pain. And the thing is, can you just ride it for a few days? And they're going after trans fats here?

It's crazy. Let them have their popcorn. Fuck it. They're making news articles about it. We're going after trans fat. What about the 800 kids that go missing every year? Why don't you go look for them?

Well, these are different people. Go look for them. Okay, that's true, but these are different people these are food scientists yeah but i think the point is that this stuff that there's other ways to make food but the thing is i don't know what is the benefits of trans fats does it make processing easier like why do they use that as opposed to like other healthy fats i don't know why it probably has something to do with shelf life maybe yes probably that's probably why it fucks you up, too. You got to think about what a preservative is.

Someone was explaining, did you see What's Wrong With Wheat or What's With Wheat? Did you see that documentary? Maybe. They were talking about Roundup and glyphosate. They were talking about how Roundup, the stuff that they spray on some plants, that they said, well, don't worry, this only affects bacteria. Yeah. In the 50s, they said that. Well don't worry, this only affects bacteria. Yeah. In the 50s they said that.

Well, this is when they were creating it. And this is one of the reasons why they allowed it to be used. But what they're explaining in this documentary is just, I don't know if this is true or not, but what they were explaining was, yeah, you have bacteria in your body, dummy. Like you're taking the stuff into your body. They didn't say it that way. You have bacteria in your body. You're taking the stuff into your body that only kills bacteria.

It's going to kill a part of your body. Like your body is partly bacteria. In fact, there's more bacteria cells in your body than there are human cells. That's just a fact of being a person. So this is a crazy thing that they don't know that. And they either know it and they did it anyway, or they didn't know that, in which the case, what you were saying earlier, they should have no business telling people what's the good science and the bad science. If they allowed that to go through.

Yeah, it's another example of bad science. Yeah, well, it's definitely an example of maybe they didn't know when they first came up with the stuff. But as technology has advanced, they haven't eliminated it. Either way, whether they didn't know or they did know and it was a diabolical plan, whatever it is, that science is bogus. Yeah, but should you be allowed? Like, we know Diet Coke's terrible for you. Should you be allowed to sell Diet Coke? But do most people know how bad Diet Coke is for you?

Or diet soda, I should say. Do most people know? Most people don't. Most people don't. They don't know. Most people are hypnotized. I'll have a Diet Coke every now and again, once a month or so. Yeah.

I'll have a Diet Coke. I've been pretty good at keeping sodas out my life. I feel weird. Now that I discovered the Pellegrino. Yeah. Yeah. Pellegrino's great. Yeah.

Just water with a little sparkles in it. I love it. It's delicious. I used to struggle with being at a restaurant and struggling with, should I just drink water or can I get a, fuck it, I'm going to have a Coke. And then I have two Cokes. And then I feel guilty all night. That struggle went on my whole life.

Dude, I've been drinking way too much water lately. The Pellegrino, that Imperie, that satisfies me enough. Yeah, Zevia is a good one too. And there's a couple other flavored waters. They're more mild. Is carbonated water? La Croix. La Croix.

Is Pellegrino and carbonated water, is that bad for you? Is it going to come out that we get cancer from that? Are the bubbles fucking me up? Yeah. They are. What? Shit. The soda's not good for your teeth.

That's all. What do they do? The bubbles are? Just as bad as soda water is. I mean love the soda's not good for your teeth. That's all. What do they do? The bubbles are? Just as bad as soda water is. I mean, it's just not good for your teeth. It is soda water. I mean, it isn't Pellegrino soda water. It's the same thing.

Carbonated water's bad for your teeth? In mass amounts. I mean, like one or two, probably not a bad thing. But what about once it gets in your stomach? Do the bubbles like fuck you up? Gas. Illuminati, bro. They're all ideas.

Those ideas in those bubbles are getting you to buy into bonds. Who knows? Maybe they find out that the bubbles in your system do something bad for you. Right? I mean, I wouldn't be surprised. I hope not. Shit. I hope it's completely benign.

I think we have heard about it. I drink the shit out of it. I do not. Shit. I hope it's completely benign. I think we have heard about it. I drink the shit out of it. I do too. Here, as long as it's plain carbonated water with no added citric acid or sugar, the answer is no. The process of carbonation is a simple addition of pasteurized, pressurized carbon dioxide gas into plain water. Acids, sugars, and salt are not being added. It's the addition of those ingredients that ups your risk for tooth decay. So, no harm at all decay. So it's no,

no harm at all. So it's just carbonated. Uh, water is just carbon dioxide gas. Or maybe that's an Illuminati. Dude, stop freaking me out, man. Did you know that funguses fucking like mushrooms, they breathe in oxygen and breathe out carbon dioxide like we do. Does that make it, make it good? It's like an animal more than it is like a plant. They're closer to animals than they are to plants. Fungus. Yeah. good? It's like an animal more than it is like a plant. They're closer to animals than they are to plants Fungus, yeah fungus are like an animal almost not really because it doesn't move I mean, but it's closer to the animal ringer moves Yeah, fuck that fungus that's the worst man, that's the worst but like mushrooms are There there's some sort of other thing.

They're not a plant. Fungus is a different kind of thing. It's from another fucking planet, man. That's what I think. Mushrooms aren't legal, right? There's not recreational mushrooms, right? That's not the ballot for 2018. California.

Any states already legalize mushrooms? No, but they should. They should do it the same way they do what they're going to eventually do with MDMA look mushrooms are great so remember the first time you and I did mushrooms right remember the first time you and I did mushrooms you were living at your old house we were chilling in the backyard dude we were just talking about life yeah but it wasn't that much it was a small dose yeah but it was enough to go whoa like it just gave me a better perspective it just opened up my my mind to that i was i was relying on all the patterns that had been explained to me about

life to be correct instead of like looking at it with fresh eyes i felt like at 30 years old it was the first time i was able to look at my my with fresh eyes, look at life itself and go, oh, this is just this weird temporary experience. You could see it in your comedy, too. Your comedy just, you know, from the early Joe Rogan, like your first CD, Someday I'm Gonna Be Dead, right? I'm Gonna Be Dead Someday. I'm Gonna Be Dead Someday. From that comedy to once you started getting into psychedelics, big old difference. Yeah, it changes who you are.

Well, it also makes you super humble. Because even if I don't appear humble, when you get hit by the big dose, whatever it is, DMT or whatever you do, when you get hit by that dose, you realize you're just a part. You're not the big thing. It is a part of something that is indescribably big. And the idea that you're important or that you're the most significant thing around you is pretty ridiculous. Like you got to do your best to keep your body alive and do your best to do your part in whatever the fuck you do for a living.

Do your best at that. But you're just a part of something that's infinite. Did your experience with mushrooms and DMT, did that make you think, like, there's got to be a creator to all this? Not that there's a creator like a guy in a lab that's, like, making a person inside of a fucking test tube or some shit.

Not a creator in the sense of an individual, but I think that the idea of an individual became more ridiculous than anything. It's like I understand that like what we are is almost like something filtered through these predetermined, like almost like we're a membrane, like something from another dimension expresses itself through this physical membrane. And then we're almost like the barrier to what comes out on the other side. the barrier to what comes out on the other side that this was the thought that I had when I was on mushrooms, that what we are as, as, as a person is almost like the carrier, like a vehicle for whatever a soul is. And then this thing uses this life to pass that, that thing through onto another experience that happens in the next dimension that'll be so fucking alien that you

can't even imagine it today in this dimension and this dimension would be alien to that dimension that it was just this never-ending infinite process of soul traveling i had this very bizarre like thought about like if you like people will often say like if you had to live your life over again you were born again tomorrow you got to do it life over again, you were born again tomorrow, you got to do it all over again. Could you do it? You'd be like, what? Oh, my God. I got to start over from scratch. I got to be a baby again and rely on those same fucking people again.

Oh, my God. I got to go back to first grade. That was terrible. That's when my parents broke up. And people start freaking out and thinking, but you already did it. You already did it. What if you have to do it forever? Could you do it forever?

Forever and ever and ever. Over and over and over and over and over again. Could you do that? Like reincarnation? You might be doing that. That might be. That is just as possible. What hit me is it's just as possible that you've lived this life an infinite number of times.

And you will continue to live this life an infinite number of times. And when you do, maybe. So you're saying there's a possibility that we have some kind of soul type thing, right? I think there's a possibility that you're on a loop yeah just like those those youtube videos or those instagram videos a cyborg hitting that that sweep yeah we're on a life loop if so if there is a loop and let's say either either it's involuntary or voluntary either you say either when you die you wake up and you're like whoa that was an awesome ride let's do it again or it just happens automatically i don't think you get the choice either way maybe you do maybe you don't uh some spiritual gurus say that yes you some people

choose some souls choose to keep coming back some stay in the infinite heavens forever or whatever and then come back some every now and then who knows what's real but um you're you're talking about there's some kind of soul thing and there's either's real but um you're you're talking about there's some kind of soul thing and there's either uh you're probably you're you're saying that there's probably uh involuntary reincarnation of some sort yeah right so so maybe it's possible maybe either if if you decide to come back for sure if that's the case, you would say, okay, I'm going back into that earth realm. And you for sure don't want to know where you came from. It would seem, I'm guessing, that the beauty of life is after you die and you realize what the hell, oh, that's right.

You don't want to know. It's like watching a movie like um the other day i watched a movie and i'm watching the trailer and 30 seconds into the trailers unsaying the movie 30 seconds i stopped it because i didn't want to watch the rest of the trailer because now okay i got enough i want to see this thing i didn't want to see more of the trailer because i wanted to go to the movie and be fooled i didn't want to know what was going on i wanted to be confused i didn't want to know what was going on. I wanted to be confused. I didn't want to be able to figure something out

from a trailer. So, and most people are like that. I'm not special. Like, if you went to a movie and you already saw it and your buddy didn't

and you told him how it ended, he would sock you right in the chest. What the fuck are you doing? You just ruined the movie for me, you faggot.

You know what I mean? Strong words. But I mean, I don't mean that in a homosexual way. I'm sorry. I'm just trying to be funny and I apologize

to all gay people out there. I apologize. I love gay people. in a homosexual way. I'm sorry. I'm just trying to be funny. And I apologize to all gay people out there. I apologize. I love gay people. I love gay people. That was just me trying to express an emotion. But, and no one's also at the same time going to go to a movie with you if you already saw it and say, dude, before it starts, tell me the whole movie. Well, I think a better analogy is that you never get a chance to see the future. You're not going to get a chance to see the future once you're reborn again.

This life, when you come back, do you want to have a memory of your past you don't you don't get a chance i think it's a part of the system i think yeah i think it's even whether it's voluntary or involuntary it's best to not know where you came from at first it's best to figure it out that's probably what this is all about is figuring it out because when we go to the movie part of it is it's all about the journey it's not about the destination people always use that as you know on Instagram

it's not about the journey or it's not about the destination it's the journey that's one of the most popular sayings ever and it's beautiful you have to say it every now and then to remind you

remind people another thing to remind you don't even think about it as a journey just be in the moment accept the moment and be in the moment live in the moment think about the future plan for the future but exist in the moment yeah

you know don't think of it as a journey or as destination but the people that are the most fucked are the people that are trying to make it one day i'm gonna make it and then when you make there's no making it never happens it doesn't it doesn't change yeah yeah it's a big illusion i fell for it hook line and sinker oh my god the The wanting to be a rock star my whole life, they got me good. I wanted that mansion. Oh, I was going to have that mansion and just filled with chicks. Like a Nickelback song. Oh, that's what I was after my whole life.

They got me good. When I saw Kiss and I saw that shit, I'm like, I want that. I knew right when I saw Kiss Meets the Phantom of the Park, 1978 on NBC, one of the worst movies of all time. I remember that movie. Oh,

it just blew me the fuck away. There was a power outage when I went to see that movie. Oh my God. I was watching it at home and the power went out and I was devastated. And the weird thing about that era

was 1978 and if you followed Kiss, if you were older, I was eight, and if you followed Kiss, if you were older, I was eight, and if you followed Kiss from 73 on, they already had their early cool years and then after Kiss Alive, they had a few more awesome

albums and then they got to the point where they started doing disco and that was 1978. That's when I got into them, when they started doing disco. So I didn't even know what Selling Out was. I just heard I Was Made For Loving You and I loved it. I had no idea i didn't i didn't even know what selling out was i just heard i was made for loving you and i loved it you know what i mean i had no idea but um man i don't even know what my fucking point was what were we talking about i don't remember either the point was you're never going to get to know what the future holds you're just going to be living your life and that's

how it is with everybody i don't remember what the fuck your point was oh the rock star thing oh you wanted to be a rock star Yeah, they get you they get you there's so many different ways they can like well you get yourself You get yourself you get yourself too. I mean you gotta you gotta think about what you're exposed to But look, it's like like music videos what they sell in music videos. They sell that it's like they're offering it Look, I got and and a lot of those rappers that are flashing all the cash. It's not even their money It's not even their money. It's not even their mansion. But it's pushing that.

Like pushing, like you want to do whatever it takes. Whatever it takes to make it. I was so zeroed in on that. You know me up until a few years ago. I was zeroed in on it. Then I began to realize, wow, they got me real goddamn good. You know, I was obsessed with some, some, an illusion. Fame is an illusion.

Well, you're obsessed with the destination instead of the journey, right? Well, I enjoyed the journey, but it was like, you know what I'm saying? You're obsessed with it. It was all about conquering the music business. That's all it was about. And it's not about that anymore. Obviously, thank God, thank God I sucked musically Because if I would've had A record deal

In my 20s Shit I would've did Some crazy Illuminati shit Back then I would've did Whatever Like whatever Just I would've been

To those parties With the crazy mask And been doing I would've whatever I'm like let's do it You think they have parties With the crazy masks Eyes wide shut

They just let you in You don't think Eyes wide shut is real All you have to do Is have a hit album They're like Eddie Bravo Eddie Bravo from Santa Ana.

All I'm saying. Come on, California. Come on down. Thank God my music sucked because I would have went along with all that shit in my 20s. I was so obsessed. I was so obsessed with making it in the music business. I would have did anything. I know, but you wouldn't have done that.

Yeah. You wouldn't have gone party with Jimmy Savile or whatever the fuck his name is. Dude, I would have been hanging out with whoever was famous, you know? That's hilarious. Shit. Well, you know, it's like retirement is a lesser example of that. People are always looking to those golden years. One day I'm going to retire and we're going to be walking with our hands at the sunset.

Like, no, you're thinking about death then. That's what happens. Those people don't do shit anymore. They don't have nothing to do. You know, the only time you should think about retirement is if you have a job that you can retire and they pay you still. And then you can go do whatever the fuck you want. That's when you should be thinking about retirement.

But thinking about is this time where finally we get to relax, put our feet up and then they turn you into soiling green. Yeah. You turn you into fucking, that's what you were really aiming for. Yeah. And you know, and everyone is,

is, uh, working to, to, to get that vacation and some far away beach where they can have a beer and the destination

is that they go far away at least five to eight hours. You gotta, you can't just use, you can't just use the beaches you have here. These beaches don't count. They count for people

on the East Coast. They count because they come here. But you live here so it doesn't count. You gotta get on a flight and go to a goddamn beach that looks just like Malibu.

Just like Malibu. But you gotta travel. Gotta go across the country. You gotta go. You gotta go to Fiji. Go over the ocean it go to a goddamn beach that looks just like malibu just like you gotta travel gotta go across the country you gotta go you gotta go to fiji go to mexico it's an illusion everyone's chasing that beach and then what are you gonna do on that beach the first thing you're gonna do is check to see if there's internet that's the first fucking thing you're gonna do right it's an illusion and then you every time you go to the airport you see that picture of like some dude just laying there on some deserted beach. That's even possible. I thought that was possible. Where's the beach that's deserted?

You have your own deserted beach. That's a poor judge. What you don't see there off camera, out of the frame of the picture, is a bunch of people trying to sell you an inner tube. People trying to rip you off and sell you shit. They don't show that part they just show your feet they show your feet in a beer if you have a perfect beach like that you're gonna sell it to a bunch of people it's not just gonna be this one dude unless you're one of those richard branson guys that's when you go full ball or you got your own

beach what yes yes you have to that those those only exist for jay-z you know what i mean you gotta buy an island well those richard branson type type dudes or Tyler Perry, he's got an island. It just seems like these vacations are all like rip-offs. I remember me and my wife went to Cabo San Lucas and we looked at the package and like, oh shit, let's get this resort. There's five different restaurants.

Amazing. All-inclusive. This is amazing. You get there and it's the same kitchen. Five different restaurants, but only one is open at a time. They just take different shifts and it's the same kitchen, five different restaurants, but only one is open at a time. They just take different shifts, and it's the same waiters, the same food. Oh, you went to a bonk-ass place. Yeah.

I got to send you to good places. There's some good places you can go. There's a good place in Cabo. It's called the One and Only Parmia. I'll never go back there ever again. Cabo's amazing. I love it. Oh, man. When you land there, everyone's trying to rip you off. Cabo's amazing. I love it. Oh, man.

When you land there, everyone's trying to rip you off. They're throwing up. Yeah. Yeah, that happens. What about Hawaii? Do you like Hawaii? Someone gave me a nonstop first class ticket to Hawaii and a five star hotel for two weeks. I wouldn't go.

Why not? I've traveled so much, it's an illusion to me. Oh, I see what you're saying. All my shit is at home. You travel so much. Right, I want to say all my shit is at home so much. Right. I want to sit in my house and look out the window and go, fuck. Yeah.

You know, that's what I want. I want to chill. I want to be with my family. I want to be with my son. That's an illusion. They, you know,

I'm going to travel with my family for them, but I've traveled so much to me. It's an illusion. I've never been to a place where I was pissed that I was leaving. I was always ready to go. Like, dude, you want to change our flights

and leave early? Shit, when we went to Cabo, we changed our flights and left early. It sucked. Wow. Like,

what are you going to sit on a beach? We got that right here. We go to Santa Monica. You got a vacation. Me and my family get hotels because my son loves hotels. We just get a hotel in Burbank. Like a VIP hotel in Burbank

where you got like this gigantic room and we stay there for a day. You gotta just do, we'll talk after the podcast. Do vacations the right way. This way you could do, go ziplining in Costa Rica.

Dude, I got tricked into going to Costa Rica. I told you that story. I'll never go to Costa Rica ever again. Unless it's for a seminar. I'll go for a seminar, like a jujitsu seminar, but I ain't trying to go to the jungle Fuck that shit. We got to wrap this up because I'm gonna piss my pants. I've been drinking too much

Can I throw a plug? Yes, fuck Yeah, me and Sam Tripoli are doing tinfoil hat comedy in San Francisco at Cobb's June 1st and June 2nd at the punchline in Sacramento Thanks for the shirt. Oh shit combat and June 2nd at the Punchline in Sacramento. Thanks for the shirt. Oh, shit. Combat Jiu-Jitsu, baby. Combat Jiu-Jitsu Worlds, Eddie Bravo's birth child, along with EBI, the EBI Invitational Best Fucking Jiu-Jitsu Tournament in the World.

But this, this is the shit. Combat Jiu-Jitsu, we talked about it a million times. This is going to change Jiu-Jitsu, make it much more applicable to MMA. Positions on the ground where dudes are allowed to bitch slap you, it's strong. Yeah, it's crazy. People love it. It's great. It's super exciting.

It's the fastest rising video ever on my YouTube channel. It got to 300,000 views in a month. It's next level. None of my other videos get that kind of views. It was crazy. It's next level, and it shows these positions, where the vulnerabilities are. So it's like a real good first step into MMA. I like it a lot.

Boogie is fighting Wagner Rocha for the Combat Jiu-Jitsu World Championship at EBI. The next EBI, which is in San Diego, June 24th. It's a 16-woman tournament plus the Combat Jiu-Jitsu World Championship of Boogie against Wagner Rocha. And we got amazing women. We got all ADCC, IBJJF

champions. Bia Basilio, she's the best chick out there. Bia Mosquita, she's right there at the top. So one more time, the date and what's the website? You can watch it on UFC Fight Pass. It's going to be at or pay-per-view inchbyinch.tv

June 24th, Sunday, June 24th in San Diego. Tickets go on sale in a couple of weeks. And it's going to be it's going to be amazing. All right. That's it. Thank you, buddy. See you tomorrow. See you.

Cool. Thank you. And three hours.