The Joe Rogan Experience - #1100 - Liz Phair

Episode Date: April 4, 2018

Liz Phair is a singer, songwriter, and guitarist. The 25th Anniversary box set celebrating her 7 LP's "Girly Sound to Guyville" releases on May 4 and she will also be touring this summer.

I could keep joints in it, but it's not quite big enough. The hole's not quite the joint height. Oh yeah, because they come out all bent and sad. Oh, we're live. Yeah. I tried to keep joints in there, but it didn't. What did you put in there? They all kind of were like, it was like half on, half smushed.

You need like one of those bubblegum brains. You're just sticking it in there. Yeah. I didn't want to fanboy out when I met you, but I'm a huge fan. Thank you very much. Just to let you know. I really love your music. Thank you very much. I really love your music. Thank you very much.

I think Dave Cross is the first guy who turned me on to you. Really? Yeah. I don't remember how. I just remember him telling me about Exile and Guyville. Do you mean Mr. Show? Yeah. David Cross?

Yeah, he's the one. He was a big, Mr. Show was in my happiest touring iteration. That was what we watched every night after the show. We'd hit the bus and everyone would watch Mr. Show until we passed out. That's a genius show. I think it's like for Bob, I mean, Bob did great on Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad

and he's done a lot of other stuff that's awesome too, but there's something about the two of those guys together. Very unusual combination. And their writing is just so bizarre and weird, but they did a Netflix thing for a while. I don't know if they're still doing that. Do you know?

I think he's doing those other shows now. I don't think so. Too bad. Anyway, Dave Cross introduced me to Liz Phair. Well, that's a nice touchstone since it was part of my touring life. There you go. I feel very good about that. So you got, what do you have now?

You have a box set out coming out? A compilation? Is that what it is? Yeah, it's kind of like a, it's a reissue of my first record, Exile in Guyville, with the original girly sound tapes that I made on a four track in, God, late 80s, early 90s. Was that when you were living at home? Yeah, that was when I was recalled back from San Francisco having not gotten a job and run out of money and grifted my way across the Bay Area. I mean, I had a place.

I was rooming. Everyone from my college class moved out to San Francisco, basically, from Oberlin. So I went, too. And I made these little cassettes that I forwarded to two friends. And one of them got super busy making copies of these cassettes and sent them to every fanzine in America with this like glowing recommendation. And all of a sudden, I was getting, I was living at home, still didn't have a job. And I would get these envelopes coming to me saying like, please make me a cassette copy.

Here's $10. And can you imagine what happened to the $10? How awful is that? I truly just like, I was like, great, thanks. Thanks for $10. Yeah. Yeah. Like there's about like 100 people that didn't get their cassette, but I wasn't making it yeah yeah like there's about like a hundred

people that didn't get their cassette but I wasn't making the cassette but anyway that's sort of Taewon Yoo is actually the person who made lots of cassettes and sent them around so I have him to thank did you have a thought that you were going to eventually make it or be a big singer? Was that even an idea? Not a clue. I hated being in front of people. Like I would not want to, I loved being in the studio. I loved recording, but I didn't, I was super stage frightened and I couldn't think of anything I'd rather do less than get up in front of people and play music or do anything. Really? Yeah, absolutely.

Wow. It was hard. But you obviously have a love of music. I love playing music. I just, I get very self-conscious with a crowd. You got to pull this sucker up to you. Otherwise, we're not going to. I get very self-conscious in front of a crowd.

Still? Not so much anymore. I do about two weeks before I hit the stage, I will stop sleeping. And then really, yeah, and I work myself into this kind of cold sweat when I think about it. I'll be like, can I leave the country? And then, like, I get on the stage, and it all comes back to me. And I'm like, I've done this a million times. This is the best job in the world. And it just, it, I can't psych myself into that feeling until I'm actually on stage. Maybe that's just cause you care about it so much. Probably. I'm too alert. We should be smoking those joints that are not in that head. I have some over here. No, can't even imagine where

we'd go with that. We do it all the time. If you want to do that, let me know. We're about 10 minutes in and you change your mind. Anytime. If it it all the time. If you want to, let me know. We're about 10 minutes in and you change your mind. Okay. If it gets really rough, if it gets really personal, maybe I'll... Yeah, sometimes you have to.

I'm a very awake person. Well, that's a good thing. The more sensitive you are, though, the more you have to consider all the possibilities. And that's what could keep you up. Right. Or send you down the UFO wormhole. Right? could keep you up right or send you down

the ufo wormhole right we talked about that right before the podcast yeah there's this guy that's coming on his name is dr robert shock and he's a geologist from boston university and he's worked on there's uh some real scientists that believe it's entirely possible that the sphinx and a lot of the construction in egypt is far older than they think that. I know all about, do you know all this? I know all about the rain runoff and how much erosion has occurred around the base or around the pit that the, and it absolutely couldn't have been done depending on like the way the Sphinx

is built, where it's located, the sighting, yeah, where it's level is, is far older. So yes, where its level is is far older. Yes. They think it was somewhere

in the neighborhood of 9,000 plus BC because that's the... Back then, the Nile Valley was a rainforest and somehow or another it became a desert.

And this guy's legit Boston University professor, geologist. He's traveling all over the place but he's here for some UFO conference. And the UFO people wanted him to mention the UFO conference. And I'm like, fucking Christ with UFO conferences.

You guys don't have anything. If you had something, what are you going to get together in a fucking Marriott somewhere and show some blurry picture of some fucking hubcap that someone chucked up into the air? Like, there's nothing. Everything that they look at falls apart under scrutiny. There's like a few videos. Okay. I'm going to push back on this.

Please do. Please do. Let's just say, what about, do you know the Discovery Disclosure? Yes. Disclosure Project. Okay. There was their first press conference when they got all the, I tend to be impressed by the military, you know, ranking members.

I'm sort of like, if you were guarding missile silos and you say you saw something hover above it and deactivate, you know, I'm probably going to check that out a little harder. And there were just so many people that stood up, you know, in that press conference and said that they absolutely had seen evidence, met extraterrestrials, seen the crafts, like in hangars, et cetera. Yep.

And to me, like I, they didn't look like they had that much imagination there. The kind of people that I didn't think could really, I mean, did you find that convincing at all? No. Here's why. No. They're just like a whole bunch of liars, a whole line of liars.

That's Stephen Greer, right? The Disclosure Project is Stephen Greer's thing. It's not so much about him. He doesn't appeal to me as much as the people that he brought on who were mostly military guys. Yeah. Here's the thing about military. Anybody who's in the military is a person. If you get 100 people together, one of them is out of their fucking mind.

if you get a hundred people together, one of them's out of their fucking mind. If you get a million people, you've got a shit ton of people that are out of their fucking mind that are running around that want extra attention. One of the best ways to say you're you are one of the best ways to get extra attention is to say you've had some extraordinary experience that separates you from the pack. It's one of the main points of delusion that people that are really out of

their fucking mind will want to point to, I see things in people. I can read auras. I can tell. I'm a psychic healer. I'm an intuitive person. They all have this thing that separates them from the herd without any work whatsoever. I feel like a lot of these people are that. They want attention.

And so they tell these extraordinary stories. Now, when you said they're not creative, that's a very astute point, because they all have the same fucking story. Because it's the same story that's been going on forever. They just repeat shit they've already heard. Most of these people, I think, are full of shit. I think it is entirely possible that UFOs have been here.

Entirely possible that people have seen UFOs. Entirely possible. But a lot of those people, my fucking bullshit radar just goes off. Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing. Really? Yeah. I've talked to too many of them. When I did that television show, Joe Rogan questions everything and I met with UFO people and Bigfoot people.

I was telling you before the podcast, it cured me. Because I got to be around those people for hours and just talk to them with no cameras on. I'm like, oh, you're fucking crazy or you're delusional or your way of looking at things is not objective or you're talking to me because you want to convince me of something. You're not just communicating the ideas that are actually in your head. You're pitching me some sort of a speech.

You're like you've got some sort of a performance you're doing for me. I smell it. And as a performer, I smell it. I'm like, this is nonsense. You're telling me nonsense. You know, they would tell you, well, you want evidence? I'll back a truck up and show you the evidence. I'm like, where's your fucking evidence?

You don't have any evidence. You should have brought it today. I mean, like. Yeah, exactly. Well, here's the thing. Did they seem as off kilter in everything else they talked about? Yes. So they did.

Everything. That would be convincing. Relationships, jobs, they're all screwballs. They're almost all screwballs. The people that are most convincing are the people that see these orbs flying around. The pilots. Yeah. Well, the reason why they see these things is there's a real phenomenon called ball lightning. It's absolutely real. And it's caused by various weather conditions. And they

think that it can even be caused sometimes by the right weather conditions and the shifting of tectonic plates that somehow or another the friction yes and that these ball lightning if you've ever seen videos of it it's phenomenal it just flies around they've even had it inside airplanes somehow another ball lightning has shot down the aisle of an airplane while i was in flight i've actually seen it have you really i've actually seen ball lightning on a flight that was struck by lightning. Whoa. It was pink. And it sounded like a giant BB gun hit a tin can. Oh, yeah. Whoa.

You were in a plane that was hit by lightning? Yes. Holy shit. That's intense. It was very intense. I was coming off a tour, and I wanted to get back to my very young son. I told him I'd be there in the morning when he woke up. So I ended up going on this odyssey, like planes, trains, and automobiles, you know, trying to get to my son. I was like, I will be there in the morning. And it was terrible weather. It was just like the worst on the East Coast. And we kept taking, I think twice we took

off and had to land before we could get to our destination and get in the plane and go off again. And me being a crazy mom, I'm like, I'm going to get there. So I get in this plane and it's very bad. We're flying right through a thunderstorm. But I've flown so many times. My parents took me a million places. We traveled a lot when I was young. So I've just been flying forever. And we were on this plane and the lightning's going off and thunder and we're rattling around and it's not a very big plane. And my seatmate, I think, I didn't know who he was, but he seemed like a decent, nice young man. And like the lightning just hit the plane. You get this big tang of the shock of the electricity just hitting it.

We drop about, I don't know what. I don't know what makes a big stomach drop, but we drop far. It's like 25 feet, I don't know, just like bam. And this pink ball of electricity just goes like whoosh down the aisle in the center of the aisle. He pukes. I grab him. And I did not let go of the stranger who just puked. Like until we were,

you know, like I just, it took about, you know, 10 minutes. And then I was like, but that was intense. And I made it.

I was there in the morning when my son woke up. Well, that's not, that's awesome. Yeah, but it was incredible. The pinkness of it is still really vivid to my mind. And the ball lightning, it was a sphere that just came whooshing down the aisle.

Wow. That's awesome. Yeah. That's a real thing. I've got lots of crazy plane almost crash stories. Yeah? What else? There was a time that the engine was on fire and i could see it

that sucked you could see it on fire yeah yeah where were you please don't say over the ocean yeah but not far we were just off outside of boston we took off nighttime again after a show trying to get home to my kid i mean this is like the saddest mom story ever like trying to get home to my kid. I mean, this is like the saddest mom story ever, like trying to get home to my kid. And it was night and I was looking at the lights, the sort of, I forget what they call those orange lights, you know, and it was over the bay. I could see the water

and we just weren't rising quickly enough. You know, just, I was like, why aren't we gaining altitude? What's going on? It just doesn't seem right. And someone on my left, I was in the last row and someone on my left said something like. The engine's on fire, whatever. Right as the captain comes on and says, ladies and gentlemen, we have a problem with one of the engines.

We are going to have to make an emergency landing. Please remain in your seat. make an emergency landing please remain in your seat and i look over and you can literally see flames shooting out of the like it because the the engine was about 10 rows ahead of me but the sparks were visible behind you know because you're do you understand like the physics yeah so like it's a long trail of sparks coming out of that thing. And so we get to the point where we're going to make our landing. And to see the flight attendants scared shitless was not a fun experience. I think that frightened me the most, seeing their faces.

And we had to get into the crouch position you know that position the brace yourself position and the captain came on i think the last thing he said which was not reassuring was please brace for a very rough landing and i'm i'm thinking if you're crashing it doesn't you can't say anything more than that right ladies and gentlemen i mean like that's it please prepare for a very rough landing and what happened i know i'm like no no no but like what happened to my body at that moment was i went into this only happened twice in my life full uh tremors like full body do you know have you ever had that it's different than like nervous shaking or cold shaking it's like full and your body is just like completely vibrating like at another frequency.

And I realized for the first time in my life that I didn't care if I was dead like in two seconds and I felt nothing. It really upset me that my body, my soft, squishy body was going to be like pinned into metal. It bugged me. Like, I really thought like, we're never doing this again. Like this, it just became very, very real that my, that I cared about this arm and I cared about this leg and I didn't want like it to be completely mangled and like stuck in metal. And we hit the, we got the ground. It was a very rough landing. And there were fire trucks going like 110 miles an hour on either side of us spraying us with the dexcelerant or whatever that is and suddenly like

foam on the windows and are you ready for this so it was not a fun thing but we survived and no one was harmed and then we had to get back on another plane because I had to go home to see my kids. So we literally sat there and waited and got right back on another plane. Wow. And flew home. Well, you'd probably be like, what are the odds? No, I just, I wanted to see my kid.

Right. But like, that was an intense, I mean, that thing you don't ever get to experience unless you're like a combat person. Like, even if you're not conscious, I don't want this like all screwed up. I don't want to be like mangled. No one does. And the reality of it was like right there.

Right there. And I don't feel it anymore. I'm just as stupid and reckless as I ever was. But like in that moment, it was very real to me. You know, like. Fuck. I haven't had anything like that. That's intense.

I don't know what's more intense, getting hit by lightning or the fire. They're both pretty fucked up. What about the Cessna that lost power over the Bermuda Triangle? Is that good? You know what that is? They think it's nitrogen escaping from the sea floor. They think there's trapped nitrogen in massive amounts, you know, because there's a lot of, like, dead things and decaying things like vegetation, things like that. And they trap nitrogen pockets.

And those nitrogen pockets, when they lift up, they can go through the surface of the water and up into the air. And if a plane is flying into that, it's methane. Is it methane? Methane. Am I saying it wrong yeah because nitrogen is everywhere yeah it's like 84 of the air but i think there's something about it being a giant pocket that you fly through i might be wrong you're talking about the gas bubbles that escape in the tectonic it's methane yeah and it can like make a ship go down

because suddenly there's no right there's no buoyancy for the ships and also for planes. It could be. Yeah. Okay. This is awesome. Gas explosions explain Bermuda Triangle. Yeah. We can Google.

Oh, my God. This is how we roll it. I'm never leaving. Come stay. You can come anytime you want. This is incredible. We can come and just talk about UFOs every week. Oh, my God.

This is incredible. Explosions of trapped methane gas are thought to account for the mysterious craters in Siberia, including this one. Yeah, and so they think that it has to do something with the Bermuda Triangle as well. So when biological tissue creates methane and when they have like massive amounts of die-off, whether it's fish or whether it's plants or things like that. They think that some of that stuff gets trapped in the bottom of the seafloor and then escapes, goes up to the surface, makes boats sink, and even can bring down planes. But how would it make a plane

lose electricity? Because of a plane flight. Oh, I don't know. It really lost electricity. Would you hear that? You hear a plane lost electricity and that's what it thought of? No, I was in it.

Oh, you were in it. We had to start it again. Oh, that could have just been a shitty plane. It's a Bermuda Tri I'm sure the pilot absolutely told us that You know what I mean He's like the stuff gets a little fritzy Up here over the Bermuda Tri And we're buying it

It's just a shitty plane And he didn't like the service Oh my god Joe you just killed my story I might be naive I've been believing that this whole time now. It's just a shitty plane. It could be. Those planes are shitty.

Yeah, that's what they think. That's the most prevalent theory. I would think you'd die if that bubble hit you just from poison. A lot of it, right? Yeah, maybe. Have you ever seen those underwater lakes of methane? Yeah, it's creepy. That's beautiful, right?

It's like water underwater. Right, yeah. I love that no it's the ocean is amazing it's pretty bizarre that it's just right there that it's essentially an alien world like i've always said like the ocean is really like space like space is like above us all the time but the ocean is kind of just like space if it's right there you can go in and that's a whole nother world. It's like a whole other world that's on our earth, but we're just so used to it. It's like, oh, yeah, let's go surfing. Hey, let's get in a boat. You're like floating around some fucking alien world that's right there. It's filled with life.

All sorts of life that actually breathes water. Like, what? Yeah. It's bizarre. That we came from. Yeah. Well, I was talking about it with my, oh, is that the lakes of methane underwater? That's nuts.

I think so. Is that cool? God damn, that is crazy. They're like, I'm going to go by the lake. I just took a run around the shore. That doesn't even look real. It's like they're going around Silver Lake. That eel is just like cruising around Silver Lake.

But it's a methane lake. What was that movie? Silver Lake is probably a methane lake too. In other ways, yeah. What was that movie where there was aliens underwater? The Abyss? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Was that it?

She has to drown to survive, and he has to resuscitate her. Yeah. Beautiful. Right, and there were, like, aliens that would assume the shape of water. What was it called? Aliens in the deep? I think it's probably the abyss, though. I think it's the abyss.

And they were sort of pink, too. They were the same color as my ball of lightning. Dude. Remember that pink from the... Yeah. The only guy that I ever talked to when I was talking to those UFO people that I believed about UFOs was a guy who was at Skinwalker Ranch. That whole area out there has a shitload of UFO sightings. What's Skinwalker

Ranch? It's some place that this guy, Robert Bigelow, owns, and he's a... What makes it compelling is he actually is an aerospace investor, and he's got a company that makes all these parts and shit for different

spaceships and different pods and things. Why? Why does he do them? It's his business. But he also owns this gigantic ranch in Utah. And we went out to visit him, visit the ranch, and visit some of the people around there.

And one guy that we talked to that lived around there was just a regular dude. I think he worked in a factory. He's a regular guy. Not crazy. But super normal. I talked to him. Not a bullshit artist at all, and he's telling me about this glowing orb that came through the walls of his house

and floated around inside of his living room and kitchen and then took off through the wall. And I said, like the way he described it, I absolutely believe that he was telling me the truth. And I think that was ball lightning. I think they have it a lot in that area. and so i think whatever the atmospheric conditions in that area it's it's a frequent occurrence and because of that a lot of these people see things and then they start talking and people start looking for them and then they start talking crazy and then

people start talking about like they were talking about a bulletproof wolf that appeared out of mist and like for real that was like you've got that out front oh that's your greeter yeah that's the bulletproof yeah this this guy was the only guy that made sense and i think he saw ball lightning just like you did but how could it be on the ground like that could just happen you know if there's a storm conditions but it does it occurs not just up in the sky it occurs at low altitude as well you know they say ball they don't know why apparently i talked to a scientist about this he was telling me that lightning shouldn't be possible like there's there shouldn't be enough power to create lightning there's like if you do the calculations

he's like but clearly we know it's true so what do we do about that we don't really know we don't know enough about lightning so when you describe ball lightning he's like well good fucking luck who knows who what are the atmosphere we don't know enough about it yeah we don't really know. We don't know enough about lightning. So when you describe ball lightning, he's like, well, good fucking luck. Who knows? What are the atmospheric conditions? We don't know enough about it. Yeah, we don't know what the conditions are. Like, what causes it? What does that mean there's not enough energy for lightning?

You can't marshal that much electricity in the atmosphere? I'm too stupid to repeat what he said and have it make any sense. But when he was describing it to me, the way he was explaining it, and I think I read it as well. it to me the way he was explaining and i think i read it as well he was he was explaining and what i read was that they don't really understand how that much energy is produced in the sky like that and that if you calculated like what it would take to produce a boom that that shouldn't be possible again i'm a moron so talk no i wish the expert were here because that's fascinating. So what this guy was describing, he was talking about ball lightning. They were saying they don't know how to recreate ball lightning. They have no idea what causes it, but they're

sure it's a real thing. Wait, we can't recreate ball lightning in a lab environment? No. I don't believe so. I don't believe so. That's crazy. Yeah. But I don't think they can recreate it. You know, you're right, because we can't generate that amount of power. Yeah. We literally can't generate, I mean, maybe with a bomb, but we can't generate that.

I don't know. I have no idea. I think we can't. But I think that's what a lot of people are seeing. I think these people that see things, and then also the human imagination is so fantastic. Your memory's all fucked up. Memory's terrible. You know, so you decided something different and then you

see it. I talked to another lady who told me she saw Bigfoot. She didn't seem like a bullshit artist. She seemed like she was being 100% honest. She didn't seem like she needed a ton of attention. She didn't seem crazy. And I think she saw a bear. I just think she saw a bear way in the distance and she saw it

very briefly because it was the Pacific Northwest and trees are very dense. She saw a big ant. It might have even been on two legs because bears do do that all the time. They do do that. And I think she saw that. And in her mind, she saw a gorilla. It was, why am I looking at a gorilla? And then she had this story that just got concocted in her head, and she saw a Sasquatch.

That happens. I mean, I'm convinced of certain things, and then I find out I'm completely wrong. You know, it does happen. You believe in ghosts? I told you to, you better back off the ghosts. You believe in ghosts? I used to believe a great deal. I still pretty much believe.

Pretty much. I think basically this is my entire philosophy on all weirdnesses. Okay. If you look back 500 years to what they knew scientifically then, it's superstitious, it's magic, it's ridiculous, it's ignorant,

et cetera, et cetera. I believe that that's exactly what we are now to 500 years in the future. So I don't consider it paranormal. I consider it future science. Ghosts are future science. Ghosts are future science. Aliens are future science.

It's all future science, and I'm down for that. I'm ready to party with the future science ghosts are future science aliens are future science it's all future science and i'm down for that i'm ready to party with the future science i'm ready for that i accept that um my problem is the people that tell ghost stories or those fucking ghost shows those are so bad they're so faked they're so painfully faked i really believed it for a while like i really absolutely bought into it hook hook, line, and sinker. I was like there watching the little, there's all different kinds of ghosts. Like the ones that look like Ewoks, not Ewoks, which are the ones that are the jet, the first movie, Star Wars. And they like wore their little robes and they were busy.

They were like, oh, you know, the first ones. They're like, were those things yeah i don't know they didn't really have faces they just had like cloaks they were the robot sellers well apparently there are ghosts that are little cloak creatures and they scare the crap out of me the cloak ones do they move fast and i don't understand what they're doing here like but i mean you can explain demons you can explain demons if you think about like dog ghosts or wolf ghosts or lion ghosts. That's a demon? Could be.

They growl. They have like weird eyes. They're hostile. They scratch you. Animal. So you have a real belief in ghosts. It's real. Kind of.

Kind of. Like not 100%, but you have an open mind. I bump into them sometimes, I think. For real? And I don't see them, but I feel them and hear them and like,

I know, go ahead. The little smile, that little smile, that's why I don't, we're talking about it because we're on the weirdness podcast,

but like, I don't talk about it because it just doesn't get a good response. Well, I'm trying to be open-minded. So when you bump, I believe you, you don't talk about it because it just doesn't get a good response well i'm trying to be open-minded so when you i believe you you don't seem like a liar by any stretch of the imagination but but i have a huge imagination i'm sure you do i could very easily be a creative person tricking myself into something what do you feel like what happens um i just bump into them like they just if you walk into a room i mean it happens maybe once a year yeah

and you walk into a room or you walk somewhere or something's going on and you just feel it and it's very very strong and you i just i talk to them i just say like mostly hotel rooms let's just say if i'm in a hotel room on tour and i'll either move if I don't like it or I'll just say alone in that room. I'll be like, hi, I'm playing a show. I'm only here for two days, but I really need to get some sleep. You can come to this. I tell them they can come to the show if they want. Oh, that's hilarious.

I'm like, this is what I do for a living. And I try to like hear and think what they do for a living. I would be psyched if I was a ghost and I found you. I'm like, this chick's cool. She's going to invite us to a show. I don't even want to scare her. Let her sleep, man. Let her sleep.

Fuck that. I got the pots and pans ready. I'm ready to make a racket. Let's wake this chick up. Nah, man. Let her sleep. She's cool. Let's go to the show.

I put them on my guest list. That's nice. You've got a plus one. That's nice. You don't have to reserve a seat for them. They could be everywhere. He's got a plus one. That's nice.

You don't have to reserve a seat for them. They could be everywhere. Obviously, you have an active imagination. And do you think that maybe you're mind-fucking yourself at the time? Like when you're saying, when you're talking out loud, are you doing it because it's comforting? Because you enjoy it? Probably. But if you asked me on a lie detector test whether I think I really encountered something, I'd say yes.

Whoa. For sure. I mean, there's been enough experiences in my life that it just seems like just part of future science. There's a guy named Rupert Sheldrick. He's a scientist, and he believes that things have memory. He thinks that everything has memory. He thinks that's why people don't want to live in haunted houses, don't want to live in a house where someone died. He thinks that objects have memory. He thinks that's why people don't want to live in haunted houses, don't want to live in a house where someone died.

He thinks that objects have memory. I agree with that. They can't express it, but that they have it. I agree with that. It might be. I think it's less the object retaining it. I mean, it must be retaining something. I think it's more our psychic ability to perceive the past.

That's what I think. I think it's more like you see the chair and then you can psychically feel what happened in that chair. I'm not really sure how to, like you're not seeing the chair imbued with some aura. You're actually looking into the past. Yeah. That's what I think.

Because I've had dreams that were like prefiguring. Prefiguring. I think you can dream. If something's impactful enough, I think you can dream. Okay, let's say something really bad happens to you. Imagine something horrible. Okay. I don't know.

The studio explodes. Okay. A couple months maybe before then, you might have a dream. Or let's just say something goes really, really wrong or bad. Nothing traumatic. You might be able to have a dream ahead of time that would be how you would synthesize that traumatic experience. Just as if it had happened before and you were dreaming after the fact before. You've had that happen?

I have. What'd you have it happen with? I'm saving that for my book. Really? Is it okay? Yeah, it's okay. But it was a very powerful, very... Will you tell me after the show's over?

Absolutely. I won't tell any of you. Fuck off. Absolutely. Okay, good. But it was very convincing to me. Absolutely. I won't tell any of you. Fuck off. Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay, good. But it was very convincing to me. Really?

And hard to explain any other way. Have you ever had any other sort of psychic premonition? Yes. Really? Yes. Do you remember the last big fire we had in LA when it was like encroaching? Really recently? Yeah.

That one? The night before that fire, I was out walking with my son. Again, my son. He's like all over this podcast. I don't know why because he barely speaks to me at the moment. He's like, yeah, yeah, fine, good. Talk to you later. And I just felt incredibly uneasy.

And he suffered from asthma when he was young and really badly. So when it would be, when there was a lot of particulate matter in the air, or it was just bad air conditions, I would tend to be very worried about him and keep him home or, you know, inform the teachers or whatever it was, just he'd get really bad asthma attacks. And so I have a predisposition to be on the alert. But this was the night before no fire had started yet. And I just was very anxious, very anxious. And I couldn't settle down. And I couldn't think for months. I hadn't been like that. I mean, and I said to him, I'm like, I don't know what it is, but I feel kind of unsafe. If something happens tomorrow, you have to like, you have to be my witness that I sensed something

was coming. Now, you probably think I'm this that I sensed something was coming. Now, you probably think I'm this horrible mother. I never do this. It happens like I think I've like said that to him twice in our entire life. And I forgot about it. The next day, I forgot about it. I didn't think about it at all until, you know, we were socked in, in this sort of brown muck as we are. And like the sun became the eye of Sauron.

And, you know, everyone's like freaking out and we're looking at all these images. And I was so distracted by all these images that I completely forgot my sense the night before. And what I think that was until I remembered it. Then I called up and I'm like, ah. remembered it then i called up and i'm like ah and i think it's more like i don't know something's coming but i have maybe time maybe the envelope of time is a little bit more mushy than we think maybe we perceive time is very orderly and very linear but maybe it's really not and it could be pushing back like the experience maybe i had the experience before i perceived the experience or i don't know what that is but that happens to me a lot i've heard

people describe nobody likes hearing about it by the way i never talk about this stuff in my real life because nobody likes it what do you mean it makes people uncomfortable and they look at you funny so i just never talk about it except for on the podcast. Why would it make them uncomfortable? It just does. I'm fascinated by that because I don't experience it. I've never had a premonition that came true.

But I do have a really good ability to know if someone's crazy. I'm really good at that. Apparently I'm not. No, you're not crazy. No, I mean, I don't know if someone's crazy you don't you've known a lot of crazy people blind spot there you know like that's weird you can pick

out fires in the distance but you can't pick out nuts yeah not so not so much i don't have any psychic ability though i'm just how do you know though i don't if you can tell if someone's crazy or not you might have some i mean you might have some. I mean, you might have some perception. I think it's pattern recognition and data chunking. I've met so many people that when I see things that are off, little things that are off, and you probe, like you're talking, little things are off more, and you're like, you're looking into the eyes, you see calculations, you're like, okay, something's going on here.

This is not a, this is not a normal person. This is a person putting on a normal mask. Like there's something off here. It just smells, smells fishy. You know, I just think it's that. Do you ever have them as guests? I mean, are they ever sitting across from you? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Being batshit crazy? What do you do? I've had people on when I was sure they were pilled up. For sure. I'm like talking to them like this motherfucker's Adderall to the gills what do they look like when they're Adderall

they just have a way of talking there's just something about the way they talk they're not really Liz Phair is not it's not what it's about it's not about me it's about the future

it's about children it's about the society what I'm trying to do is be an entrepreneur I want to build businesses I want to they just start info wars

no no Alex Jones we got him high and drunk and he was talking about interdimensional. Here on the show? Live on the show? Is that what goes down here?

Am I like, oh, look at this. I am in a den of inequity. Look at this. We've got some like, that's some something. What is that? Do you want some? We could find some. No, God.

I don't know what will come out of my mouth. Good stuff. Don't be scared. But those are like Snoop Dogg type things, right? Those are like, what do they call them? They're joints. They're backwoods. No, they just have brown paper.

You don't have to have any. Oh, my God. We're literally getting high right here. Jamie does. We do it all the time. Seriously? Yeah, this is a podcast. You can do anything.

It's illegal. I'll take a tiny hit. Take a tiny hit. There we go. That's what I'm talking about. It's definitely not crazy. It's marijuana. It's legal. It's good for you. It's a. I'll take a tiny hit. Take a tiny hit. There we go. That's what I'm talking about. It's definitely not crazy. It's marijuana. It's legal.

It's good for you. It's a staple of civilization. Yes, but what will happen? Nothing. I don't know. You'll say cool shit. Does it have cigarette stuff in it? No.

That's a cigar leaf, though. No, no. It's not. It's just brown paper. No? Good? I'm going to try this. I'll settle.

Settle. You good? I'll settle and see what goes down. Jamie's going deep. Yeah, we smoke pot. It's okay. I smoke pot sometimes. I'm sure you do.

You just did. I just did? There's proof. There's evidence. People are worried. I mean, if we had a casual drink, if we had a glass of whiskey or something, no one would care.

But marijuana, you're like, oh my God. It is weird. It's like now it's okay. Like now it's fine. Finally. Finally it's okay. I agree. 30 years of watching people drink really sucked. Yeah. I was never much into alcohol. No? I prefer marijuana. Yes.

Well, you're a sensitive person. It makes you more sensitive. Marijuana does? Sure. Really? I think so, for sure. Makes you more aware, more considerate, thinking about more possibilities. I mean, that's what people call paranoia. Really, it's like a lot of times people live with blinders on. And marijuana just comes along and goes, hey, let's just take those over. And puts a spotlight and like, look at the back of your brain.

Look at this shit you're hiding. That's exactly right. It is. It's like shining a flashlight into your unconscious like you've been hiding this let's get a look at it let's talk to it that is what the paranoia is i agree with that it's like people suddenly are like self-conscious they see themselves in a new way and they're like i can't handle this this. Yeah. That's like 40 years of. Denial. Denial. Yeah.

And, and all these different mechanisms that you've kind of like psychological mechanisms that you've utilized, try to hide these thoughts from yourself or try to skip past them really quickly. Oh, I've got that under control and just get past it and move on to some new thing.

It's a common thing. People love to do it. it oh that's crazy I do I feel I feel like mellow yeah it's good I like that it's good stuff knocked my energy down just a nice nice amount puts you in a kind of what I need like about 10 energy knockdown right maybe 15 yeah like a half a hit. That's what you need. Like just a little, just where you're like, okay. Yeah. Fine. Pause. Beat.

Pause. Everything's fine. Beat. Fine. I like that salt lamp. That's the biggest one I've ever seen. It's the biggest one I could find. But it's too big.

They don't look as cool as the small ones because the small ones, there's not as much salt, so the light comes through more. Oh, yeah. It's looks cool on paper and then you get it you're like i don't think it's cool you got the awesome skull there of the longhorn that is actually an asian water buffalo is it my friend adam green tree shot in australia that's really cool yeah he brought it from australia for me when he was a guest on the podcast. How did he fly that? He just put it in the carry-on. No. Can you imagine?

And it wasn't even boiled down yet. No, it was boiled down. It was just the head. You know what I mean? Like blood flies. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Put it overhead, Mike.

No, he checked it. It'll fit. It'll fit. I don't know if he wrapped it up. He must have because he wouldn't want the bones to crack or break and get knocked around. That's beautiful. But he wrapped it up. Yeah, it's pretty dope.

Yeah, he's a wild man bow hunter. And he goes up to the northern area of Australia. Australia, all the animals, essentially the large mammals, are all invasive species. So they have to hunt them because they don't have predators. So he goes up there and shoots water buffalo with a bow and arrow. That's cool. Brought one back for me. That's extremely, I respect that as opposed to other types of hunting.

I really respect the idea of like mano y mano going out there and being like. What don't you respect like? Just don't go kill the big, yeah, trophy hunting can fuck off entirely. It's a weird thing. It's weird that it's, it's almost like people hunted entirely for food and then they got enough food and they go, I want to shoot that thing too.

You know, it's like they got into shooting things and it became a thing of not just shooting stuff for food, but shooting stuff. Even if you can't justify it, like there's some animals, like there's certain hunts that they put on

where they kind of have to control populations of these things, like grizzly bears and stuff like that when they start encroaching. Even wolves, there's certain populations of wolves they have to control in the Northwest. But you get to like elephants

and tigers and lions and like, what are you doing? What are you shooting at? What are they doing? You're a man. Explain that to me. What is, what is, what, why does that make you feel important since you had a gun? I mean, a gun, you stand back, you, you sit in the bushes for, I don't know, eight, 12 hours and then you pull a trigger.

So it doesn't even necessarily make them feel important. It's just cause they can do it and it's exciting. Like, have you ever shot a rifle? Yeah. Yeah, when you go to a rifle range, it's exciting. It's fun to just shoot paper. Put paper targets out there and shoot them. It's fun.

It feels good. There's something about, like, aiming, boom, and hitting where you want it to go. It's exciting. And so once then there was a real problem is in africa it becomes incredibly profitable for the people that live there and then those animals are thriving because they protect them and have hunters come in and pay shit loads of money to hunt them so their numbers are really healthy which is really crazy because like for the longest time most of the animals in africa that are hunted now in in plentiful numbers were on the verge of extinction.

Well, I think a lot of them still are. I mean, maybe not extinction, but I don't think that they have an abundance of the big five over there anymore. Yeah, well, it depends on where you are. But Africa, obviously, is fucking huge. Have you ever seen what it looks like when you put America inside of Africa? Yes, it's like sits over in the Sahara. It's like it just sits in the Sahara. It's a tiny little bitch-ass country we have.

But in Africa, there's many animals that were 20 years ago on the verge of extinction that are thriving. And it's because of hunting. But thriving in a tiny little zone. I mean, they're not thriving worldwide. They're overall numbers. There's the other problem that I have with people calling a lot of the people that hunt over there poachers. They call it like poachers, the poachers poach. I mean, that's just people who are poor.

That's all it is. It's just like incredibly poor people that are trapping these animals. And some of them, like if they're shooting rhinos and stuff like that, they're not doing it because they're evil. They're doing it because they're fucking desperate. I mean, they. And those are, That is their game. I mean, it belongs to them. It's their country.

It's their game. If you believe people and animals, yeah. But I think as everything, like depending on your perspective, how much of... Just like we were talking about when you get high and suddenly your territory expands

of what your awareness is, same difference. Like this is their country. These are their native population of animals. So it's theirs. But like taking in a broader scope, that should be utterly protected and expanding territory rather than like a little theme park for rich Westerners to come in and shoot shit. Yeah, it's weird.

Have you ever seen, do you know who Louis Theroux is? Sounds familiar. He's a documentarian from the UK. He's got a great special that he did where he went over to one of those wild game parks and stayed with these weirdos and these rich American people that go over there and shoot shit.

And he was over there for like weeks and finally just drove the guy crazy. The guy was just like breaking it down to him what's really going on. He was basically just saying in this crazy accent, Africa is fucked. This is what you have to understand. Africa is fucked. This African guy is explaining it to him. Like this is the only way these things are going to survive.

If you think that you're going to remove these fences and remove the profit, these people are going to come in and slaughter these things. And they're not going to think at all about the future. They're not going to think at all about preserving the populations or them going extinct. They don't think about it at all. They're just going to wipe them out. Just like they're doing with rhino horn. They know rhinos are worth thousands and thousands of dollars a horn. So they just shoot those fucking things.

They don't care. Their children are starving. If they find out that they could sell this rhino horn and get X amount of $100 or whatever they give them for it, they'll just shoot it. Like, their concern is not for rhinos. Their concern is for their family. They're in extreme poverty. I mean, the poverty that they have over there is spooky, you know,

and mass, mass. I have a buddy of mine who makes wells for the pygmies in the Congo, and he goes over there all the time. And he's actually a fighter. He fights for Bellator. He's one of their top heavyweights. And he spends like three to six months a year in the Congo. Guy caught malaria three times.

He's an animal. His name is Justin Wren. He's a beast. Such a sweet, amazing person. But he goes over there and he says, you, you can't believe the kind of poverty. He sleeps in a grass hat, a grass house when he's there, just like they do with these, you know, they sleep on the, they have, you know, no floors. This is him over there. That's him with the people. I mean, he's just a cool, what are the leaves that they put on the roof? I don't know.

It just leaves from some local plants that they use to make their houses. But he, you know, when he tells you what it's like over there and the extreme poverty, and most of these people were dying because of waterborne diseases. So he created this charity called Fight for the Forgotten, and he goes over there and they build wells, and they've built a ton of wells. We actually contribute to it, and there's one of our sponsors, the Cash app. Every time you sign up for it, they give $5 to these people.

That's so awesome. Yeah, it's amazing. I mean, clean water is the most essential. Yeah. What a brilliant. Well, there's a company called Water4, water4.org, water in the number 4. Those people are also connected with him, and they just do this everywhere. They do this all over impoverished countries.

Go there and just dig wells. You can change the whole thing because all these people, they have distended bellies because they're filled with parasites, and they have all these waterborne diseases, and they're just dying. The girls don't go to school because they spend all day walking to the water source. Well, nobody goes to school. The pygmies, they're incredibly uneducated. And then unrepresented and not respected or appreciated and discriminated against.

And this is why this guy who's just a big hulk of a man says, this is what I'm going to concentrate on. These small, forgotten people. It's really pretty amazing. That must be so rewarding, just to see the difference he's making. Yeah, I always feel like such a loser whenever I hang around with him.

I'm worried about what I'm going to eat for lunch. He's flying to the fucking Congo to catch malaria for the fourth time. Fourth time. Yeah. He's had it three times. That's crazy. That's fucking nuts. That shit kills people.

Doesn't he just get the shots? What's the deal? Well, you can't really totally stop it. The problem is when you get it once, it stays in your system. He's gotten it again when he got a cold. Like herpes. Like he got it again when he got a cold. Is that true? Malaria stays in your cells

forever? According to him. Yeah, he got it when he wasn't even over there. God. Yeah, and I think... You're changing my idea about my Nile trip that I want to take. My bucket list Nile trip. I want to take my bucket list Nile trip. I want to get one of those big houseboat things with like, have you ever seen them? They're like double deckers and then they have the top thing and it's just like a bunch of sort of like game zones. Like it's just like, you know, cool lounge chairs with like covering.

It's all very open air. It just feels like you'd be having cocktails up there at sunset, walking around, talking your family and friends you do it like one of those european you know what i do here's what else i'd do i'd make sure i had like a security boat behind me ah for the kidnappers and shit i'd have my little security boat that was like a really zippy fast one you know just that would be good you would definitely need that for sure yeah fuck that place though crocodiles alone i have a friend who went over there um he has a show called uh uncharted where he just travels all over the world and goes on these adventures and they they flew him into this i think it was the congo because this local village was having a problem with the people

there getting eaten by crocodiles. And everyone in the village is like missing an arm. They have bites taken out of their legs. Oh yeah, these poor people. I mean, they live, this is the only place where the water is. They have to go there. They even create these little fences where they try to fence

in the area so the crocodiles can't get to that spot. They still get in there somehow and fuck these people up because they've gotten accustomed to eating them. Oh, no. Oh, no. I thought it was just territorial. Oh, no. I thought it was just like a waterhole tension. Well, animals are like, they're opportunists.

And once they decide that you're food, that's when it becomes a real problem. So there's really like man-eating crocodiles in this place? There's definitely man-eating crocodiles in this place? There's definitely man-eating crocodiles. Is this Jim Shockey? Yeah, this is my friend Jim and this guy is missing. Yeah, it's in Mozambique.

This guy is missing a hand. This guy is missing his whole arm. That's the fence? Well, no wonder they can get in. That's my friend Jim.

He's a lovely Canadian fellow who travels everywhere. So he's a hunter and they flew him in to kill these crocodiles for them. Nice. It's crazy I mean look at that fucking thing you imagine you're living right there, and there's just goddamn dinosaurs everywhere

No, and furthermore if you can if you can get rid of the I don't know It must be a learned behavior because most crocodiles aren't doing that it's just that they're near people They'll they their brains are so small and they're so so reptilian that what they're just trying to do is eat. And if it's moving, they're going to try to eat it. And if it's a person, it's not like they're targeting people. But they found out that they can get people. I don't think that's totally true. Crocodiles?

I don't think they're just going to eat any old thing. I think they eat everything they can eat. They're giant. You're talking about an 1,800-pound lizard that's been in exactly the same form for 60-plus million years? I don't know. You could say the same about sharks, and they don't just go eat you. They would if they could. If they just decided to start eating people.

No, I've been with sharks, and they don't eat you. But sharks, people get eaten by sharks. No, they don't. They don't ever. No one's ever been eaten by sharks. Occasionally, they're eaten. Like, very occasionally. No.

Very occasionally. They are not eaten by sharks generally. We're not on their menu. Sharks don't have a taste for our blood is what you're saying. Yeah. We're not on the menu. We're not on the menu. But they will eat us.

They will bite you to get you out of their zone or they might mistake you and bite you. They eat you because they think you're something else. You're saying eat, which means like you sit down and you finish the meal, right? Right. I think that rarely happens. Usually they just bite you in half and just go, fuck, this tastes like shit. Probably. They're like, get the fuck out of my

zone, you know? I know there's some animals that actively target people and it becomes a giant problem, like in India. In India, there's this river, there's this place called the Sundarbans. Oh, the bull sharks. No, no, These are tigers. Tiger sharks?

Yeah, bull sharks are very aggressive, and they do kill people. But these aren't tiger sharks. They're tigers, just the cat. They kill a lot of people. They'll eat you. Yeah, they eat the shit out of you. They'll sit down and put the napkin in their collar and get like their... Yeah.

Yeah. Well, they actively hunt people in this one place, and they've been doing it for hundreds of years. They said over the last 200 years, 300,000 people have been killed by tigers in the Sundarbans. What? Yeah. Over the last 200 years, 300,000 people have been killed by tigers. I don't know what to do with that number.

It's implausible. It's insane. Well, that's just so common. First of all, India has a billion people, right? And a lot of them are really poor and they're living by these rivers and these cats are everywhere and it's tall grass have you ever seen that video of the cat the giant tiger leaping up and attacking the guy when he's on an elephant no dude this is just shows yeah we'll show you pull it up jamie it shows you how crazy India is. This guy's on top of an elephant, and he's walking this elephant through this grass,

and this tiger runs through the grass and leaps up into the air and fucks him up while he's on this elephant. I shouldn't laugh, but it's kind of funny. It's kind of funny. What a hell of a tiger. They're insane. I mean, if a tiger was in a movie as a monster, it would be one of the scariest monsters ever. I can't play this on YouTube, by the way. Oh, yeah.

We can't play it on YouTube. Everyone knows what it is. Yeah. Wait, why can't you play it on YouTube? They'll pull it down because somebody owns this. They have a copyright. So here's the guy. So he's on top of this elephant.

Now look at the grass. And they spot it. And then the thing starts running. Look at this. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Yep, it is on. Oh, my God. The fart jumps. What a jump. And it's going after him.

It knows that he's up there. Look at it. It's like, bitch! Well, if I were the elephant, I'd just mess that tiger up. Tore the guy's arm apart. The elephant didn't really give a fuck. It's just hanging out. The elephant's like, whatever, bitch. Tigers can't kill me. Can an elephant even that size just stomp on it?

Pretty sure. Tigers don't kill elephants, but lions do. And when lions do, they're really hungry, and they get a bunch of them, and they gang up on an elephant. Okay, don't talk about it, because you're going to talk about the baby elephants that get ganged up on first. Oh, it's not even necessarily babies. They'll take out a real elephant. Well, not if it's with the herd. Right.

What is this? Trying to save a goat, woman fights off tiger with the herd. Right. What is this? Trying to save a goat. Woman fights off tiger with a stick. Jesus. Let the goat go. Christ, lady. It's a fucking goat. I like the kangaroo punching ones.

That's my favorite. That dude. I want to marry that dude. Oh, that dude that took and punched the kangaroo? He's squaring off. He's trying to figure it out. Pop some rice. People were mad at figure it out. Pop some rings.

People were mad at that guy. It was so cute. But if you're an animal lover, the kangaroo was fucking up his dog. Those male kangaroos fight all the time. They're always punching. That was just a really fun. Well, they choke each other. Yeah, and he's going to get his dog.

So I would do the same thing. I would run right out there. It's because it's got the dog and it's gripped. This guy's so awesome. Look at that. Kangaroos are so weird. They don't even seem real. They seem too human.

Yeah, look at that. Here we go. Squaring off. Thinking about it. Bam! It's like, yeah, bitch. I just love that Kangaroo does not know what to do.

He's like, am I supposed to fight you? He doesn't know what to do. He is so cute. He's like, fuck this. What a you? He doesn't know what to do. He is so cute. He's like, fuck this. What a weird animal that it bounces off like that on two legs. Great guy though, right? Oh, yeah.

For sure. And also that he didn't follow up. What do you think they were, what was it doing? Like just fighting it or playing with it? The dog was barking. The kangaroo decided to grab a hold of the dog and get him in a headlock. And that's what they do. Which is really nice, right?

Like that's like generally giving you time to react a different way. That's giving you a moment to not escalate. Yes. Sure. Because the dog's, if you see the beginning of the video, he's running around this kangaroo. He thinks he's hunting. He thinks he's, like, alerting his company in the car to the target, right?

They don't even seem like a real animal. They seem like something from an Avatar movie, right? I want to cuddle with them all. When I see like wild animals, all I want is to take them all home and just cuddle with them. Guy punched it right in the face, too. I mean, look at the fur on its belly.

You know that fur on the belly is really like soft. Do you think that's a mama? Do you think that's a pouch? No, I think that's a dude. That's a dude? I don't see any apparatus. Well, he's not as big as... I think that's a woman. That's a dude? I don't see any apparatus. Well, he's not as big as...

I think that's a woman. It might be, because she's not very big. Well, that also makes sense, too, that that's what that pouch is, where the tummy... What's that? I think there's a little thing right there. It says something? No, what's that? What?

That little thing hanging down there. You see that? Like a penis thing? No, the tail's back here. No, that can't be the penis. No, the tail's huge. Right. Oh, wait. Move it a second. No, that can't be the penis. Brother tail's huge. Right. Oh, wait.

Move it a second. No, that is a penis. Come on. Where's the balls? Bouncing around. There it is. Maybe that's just like the curtain for the vag. But he isn't a very developed kangaroo.

He's not going to win many fights. Yeah. He's sort of a beta there. Right. There's some giant kangaroos. Those big, scary ones. Look at this one knocking on the door. Hey, man.

Hey, man. Let me in. Look at the claws on on the door Hey man Hey man Let me in Look at the claws On those fuckers Oh yeah that's scary Jesus That's what I'm saying When he put the dog

In the headlock He could easily Have taken care of that dog But he didn't He like Yeah He kept the head He was like

I'm shutting this down I really think We're misgendering I think we're misgendering That kangaroo I think it's a girl So that one looks like a dude See look

The difference You see his cock No I think they're the same Look at that one That's a dude That one. So that one looks like a dude. See, look. The difference. You see his cock. No, I think they're the same. Look at that one. That's a dude. I think they're the same. That one's super jacked. That is a dude.

What? Maybe. Kangaroo chases people. It's because it has muscles. Is it really chasing people? Yeah, because it has muscles. Maybe it's a female that does a lot of crossfit. It's a golfer.

Whoa. The secret life of golfers. There's crocodiles on the golf courses. There's kangaroos. What else is going on for those golfers? Lightning. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Golfers. There's crocodiles on the golf courses. There's kangaroos. What else is going on for those golfers? Lightning. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Golfers die. Yeah, golfers. They're holding on to a piece of metal. Yeah. How many golfers die every year from lightning strikes? I say three. A lot. It happened to somebody I know or my parents knew.

I was there when it happened. He died? You were there? Yeah, they were all in the clubhouse, and he must have stepped outside because he thought nothing would happen. And yeah, lightning struck. Wow. We used to hear about that all the time, right? Like people would have to come home and...

How many people do you think, Liz Fair, take a guess? What, every year? How many number every year? Well, I'm going to go with strikes over deaths. Okay, strikes. Because I'm going to say strikes, I'm going to say there's about... Struck by lightning? at least a couple hundred. Couple hundred?

Golfers or regular folk? Oh, golfers. Just golfers. Just golfers. Ooh, ooh, ooh. I'm going to go with worldwide? United States. Just United States?

Yeah. That seems unfair. Okay, worldwide. Worldwide, I'm going to go with 25. I like it. I was going to say 23. Worldwide, I'm going to go with 25. I like it. I was going to say 23 worldwide. I say three deaths in the United States per year. These are just strikes.

These are not deaths. The United States averaged 51 annual lightning strike fatalities over the last 20 years. We underestimated. We low-balled that. Placing it in second position. 51 a year? That's just the United States. Okay, but how many of those guys are golfers?

That's what I typed in, actually. And how many of them are assholes with a kite with a key hanging off of it? I typed in how many golfers die each year from lightning, but how many people are... How many people are chalo? There you go. 5% of the annual ones happen on golf courses, so

5% of 51 is like... We overestimated. 10. 2? 2.5? Something like that that not a lot 2 yeah I said 3 you missed how bad I am at math

if you can't be as bad as me 5% of 51 is 10 there's no way you're as bad as me that's pretty bad yeah I'm bad

I'm very bad I think that's inherited too my kids suck at math too I figure if you don't have to like if you can look it up easily, like names, dates, math. Yeah. I don't think you have to remember that. Well, that's what I'm

saying to my kids. I'm like, look, see the phone calculator. Learn how to do that. I'm delegating. I'm delegating that to Google. Yeah. Let Google figure it out. Trust in Google. Trust in your overlords. I'm going to do that heavy lifting. I'm going to do like the big picture. Yeah. Trust in your overlords. I'm going to do that heavy lifting. I'm going to do the big picture. Trust in your overlords. What are all these little gizmos? That is

a clock made by TGT Studios. It's a guy who's an artist and he makes these things all out of, it's all handmade out of wood and walnut and he gets these Russian what are those things called?

Those things that are inside of it. A little doll? A Nixie tube. Nixie tube. And that's how he gets it to read the numbers and shit. But what is it saying? What does it mean? Is it a... Just 147. It's the time. 147 and 46 seconds. Yeah.

He's badass. He does a lot of really cool shit. He's a craftsman. He does a lot of really fascinating stuff he's a craftsman he does a lot of really fascinating stuff you got his Instagram page? TGT Studios do you ever check Daily Mail for the hideous side of life? I check the internet for the hideous side of life

what do you check? I do check Daily Mail it's like my horrible and I despise myself every time I do. There's a dude's website. Oh, nice. Pretty dope, right? Yeah, it is really cool.

Yeah, he makes cool stuff. So what are you looking for? I really just want the gossip. I'm just there to find out. It's like going to the well in the village. I want to know what's going on with everybody. That's exactly what it is. The well in the village.

I want to know what's going on with everybody. That's exactly what it is. But then they always sneak in something utterly devastatingly just shocking and awful. They'd have Kim Kardashian next to the ISIS beheadings, and it would be side by side. So you couldn't miss it. And I know that that's part of your friend the hunter, the adrenaline rush. I know it's part of why I go there because my system might be shocked a little bit yeah but it's it's a revolting impulse like that's the worst of me you get it's like a big tub of ice cream that's in your fridge every day and you know you shouldn't eat it and you do you just eat it you know it's bad for you

and you're like what the fuck is wrong with me? Why did I do that? Every time I watch one of those videos after it's over, I'm like, why the fuck did I watch that? Yeah. Do you think that stuff like adds up in your brain? Like how much of our stress and unhappiness and all that kind of stuff that culturally everybody feels is because you expose yourself to things you just shouldn't know about. I think for sure. For sure it has an effect. just shouldn't know about in the moment. I think for sure. For sure it has an effect.

It's a matter of does it have an effect as far as raising awareness of consequences of devious actions or does it have an effect in that you're always worried about it and so it sort of manifests itself more often because it's constantly in your head. The latter. Probably. Makes sense. And then we need a cup of coffee, a drink, and a joint. Yeah.

Just to try to unwind and find a group of people that you can hang out with that you trust, that are cool, to protect you from all those fuckers coming over the fence. Right? That's what everybody's worried. Full circle! That's what everybody's worried about. I mean, that's what everybody's worried about Russia, right? Everybody's worried about Russia, right?

I'm pissed. I'm not worried. I'm pissed. Did you see that thing that they're parking submarines over the internet lines? I was wondering about that. What the fuck is that? I don't know. Like, probably to let us know.

Hey, fucker, we could cut line with no problem. If that happened, how fast do you think it would take before we got something back up again? Or how fast and how long? Isn't it crazy that there's a line that goes across the fucking ocean and that's how the internet works? Yes. There are times when I will sit and dream about those lines. And I'll just sit there thinking, I'll see this sort of greenish murk. And then I'll hear the silence and that clicking sound that you hear under, you know, with all the fishes eating stuff.

That like clicking stuff. And I'll picture these lonely ass cables just draped down the side of a cliff, like in the great abyss. And like, I'll just picture their loneliness for a while. Wow. Yeah. That's intense.

Whoa. They're everywhere. Yeah. Can you imagine if aliens came here and saw that they'd be like, what in the fuck are these crazy assholes doing? Wires. I asked my son what he thinks we're gonna look back on in the future and think was like the craziest thing we lived with.

And he said wires. And I thought that's kind of brilliant. That's what a kid would say, right? That lives in this world today. That is brilliant. Wireless charging. If I didn't have wires, I could just play live

and move anywhere around on the stage. I didn't have to stand in front. I mean, the fact that we stand in front of a mic, I know there's a great tradition and it's really cool and rock and roll. But I personally feel very hemmed in by this mic stand.

Have you ever thought about going straight Bobby Brown? I did. My prerogative. All my friends just took me aside and they were like, no. Can't do it? Can't do it. But it works for Anthony Robbins. He does it Everybody come on

Clap your hands Feel the energy He does it Right doesn't he go Bobby Brown He runs all over the arena though Whenever it's Anybody wears those It's Bobby Brown

Period Like he did it He did it for my prerogative That's it For the rest of everyone's life Yeah That's a Bobby Brown He's got a Bobby Brown. I know a comic

who does that. Really? Yeah. He does his act with one of those things. Wait, why? Exactly. I fucking don't get it. There's Anthony Robbins. Look at him. Big, beautiful son of a bitch. Hey, at one point I bought the box set. Hey. You know, at one point I was like trying in my car

to listen to my positivity. I like the guy. Look, he's got some very good points. He says some things that really can work. You know, it's like, here's the thing. Anthony Robbins is like any delicious meal. You do not want to eat it all fucking day, every day. And if you hear too much Anthony Robbins, you're like, okay, E-fucking-nuff. I get it.

Be positive. Put out the energy. Like, yes, we're going to walk on coals. Yes. It's weird, too, right? Is that what he's doing? Is he walking on coals? He does do that.

Why is he wet? He does do that. But here's what's interesting about today. Do we know why he's wet there? Because he's fucking jacked and he's just running and sweating up a storm and getting these people pumped. Maybe it's raining out. It's got to be raining.

It's like rain, yeah. Yeah, it could be. They do this fire walk thing, which is essentially Maybe it's raining out. It's gotta be raining. It's like rain, yeah. Yeah, it could be. They do this fire walk thing, which is essentially, here's the thing. Oh my God, look at him. I'm gonna try all this on stage. He's throwing his arm back.

I'm gonna get wet. I'm gonna throw my arm back and be like. Yeah. Go for it. With my Bobby Brown. Yeah. This is all gonna happen

with my Bobby Brown. If you have one of those, you could be totally wireless. Right? Just hook it up into a backpack. Wireless action. One of them little things. Free fare. Yeah.

Free fare. Whoa. She's tired of these. That should be a t-shirt that just says free fare and it's just the bobby brown thing like a silhouette of your head with just the dark bobby brown thing over your face someone's gonna make it by the end of this podcast but that's not even what i want we're gonna put it up on instagram i don't want the bobby brown i want a parabolic um parachute thing over my whole stage anywhere i go don't they have that for sports now?

They have this like parabolic microphone thing where they can like zoom in on the coach talking or zoom in on, I think so. They've got this thing where like it's very directional. It's like a laser of a microphone. So it can be up in the ceiling of the arena and then they just point it at somebody and they can go right in and hear their conversation. That's like probably some CIA shit, right? I don't know.

Not yet. Have they? right in and hear their conversation. That's like probably some CIA shit, right? I don't know. Do you know that they can listen to what you say in a room by monitoring the window and the vibrations of normal human conversation has enough of an effect on the window that they can translate that into speech. That's insane. Whoa. That's insane. They know the noises you're making based on the effect it has on a window in a room.

You don't even have to be screaming. Just talking. That's crazy. That's crazy. Yeah. That's real. Well, don't you kind of just assume that we're being listened to all the time? Everywhere.

Now, after Edward Snowden and all that stuff, after, you know, the releases of. I feel like I've got at least two fans listening in to me at all times. At least? In your house? Just in... Probably. No, in like the NSA. Like there's two Liz Phair fans that are like...

I'm sure there's more. Yeah, they're probably bored. They're like, I'm going to find a terrorist. Exactly. But first I'm going to see if Liz Phair has mastermind. Yeah. There's probably a lot of that. I actually thought about that the other day because I screwed up my knees and I've been

doing this thing where I like put my elbows into my legs as I'm sitting watching TV or something and kind of give myself a massage. But if you were listening through the audio of my phone or anything, you'd just think I was constantly masturbating. This kind of like rubbing motion on my leg all the time. Right there. And you're like, right there. They're like, she's never getting off.

She keeps stopping. What's the problem? What's there. They're like, she's never getting off. She keeps stopping. What's the problem? What's the blockage? Yeah, she's frantic. It's weird. It's like she's obsessed. Like what are those, like the primates that are constantly- Bonobos.

Yeah, bonobos. Bonobos. Bonobos. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we're going to get to a point where everybody can listen in on everybody. That's what I think. I think we're only a couple decades away from that.

I think right now it's like service providers have the possibility to tap it into you. Maybe all these different government groups knows how to tap into your phones and tap into your TV and tap into the camera that's on your laptop. But I think it's going to come a matter of time where the intrusion and privacy is going to be the bottleneck to future technology and we're going to get to some virtual reality environment where it is so titanically bizarre and so incredibly realistic that whatever the fuck happens in the regular world is going to lose its significance it's going to slowly lose significance to the point where we're going to accept that one of the ways to overcome some of these technological hurdles is to completely dissolve all boundaries between all people and information. Meaning you're going to be able to look at anybody doing anything, anytime, and they're going to be able to look

at you. And that's going to be the new reality of human beings. And this will be after we've accepted virtual reality. So once we accept virtual reality, regular life is going to be so mundane because you're going to be able to create artificial environments like Avatar World, like you're flying through 2001 and Space Odyssey. You're hanging out with the chimps. You're going to have haptic suits on that give you feedback. It's going to be tied into your central nervous system. It's going to recreate smells and feels. And that's all going to happen. It's not a matter of whether it's going to happen. It's going to recreate smells and feels. And that's all going to happen. It's not a matter of whether it's going to happen. It's a matter of when is it going to happen.

I think when that does happen, the big bottleneck is going to be privacy. And I think people are going to, just like they're doing now with constantly putting up things on social media, constantly showing pictures of their kids and constantly giving updates on everywhere you go and tagging all these things with geotags. I think that in the future, we are going to just accept that no one has any privacy. And kids today are more likely to accept it than we were. And our kids are going to be more likely to accept it than their kids. And it's going to keep going on and on and on.

And three, four generations, it's going to be life. Life is going to be no privacy. Like if we were all living in like a big brother type house it's fucking no privacy right there's cameras everywhere those people willingly do it how long before everybody willingly does it it's a matter of time right now it's it sounds impossible because we grew up valuing privacy I need my alone time I don't anybody paying attention when I, I mean, human beings are so incredibly malleable that once life changes around us and we know for a fact this is inexorable, this is not going back unless Yellowstone blows, we get hit by an asteroid.

This is life now. We're just going to accept it. It's going to go into the next thing and you're going to deal with people looking at you naked all the time, LOL, because you don't care because you're in the avatar dimension, riding a fucking dragon over a volcano. You're going to be living in a world that's so much more fantastic than the real world that someone looking at your asshole in the real world you're like go ahead look who cares you're basically saying that we're putting ourselves in those little pods in the matrix yes you're saying that we're willingly climbing in eventually to these little pods of goo and powering the whole machine age.

Yes. Because we're just going to plug in and stay there. I think we're going to be symbiotic. I think we're going to become part machine. Or like an ant colony. Yeah. We're already kind of like an ant colony, right? Like one organism with many, many parts.

Yeah. I don't want to live in that. Is that okay? You don't have to. You're alive right now. You're alive in a beautiful time. You're alive in the transition between when you were young and there was no internet to now you being an adult where there's internet.

This is the most amazing time ever. We're lucky. We're lucky. We're the most lucky because we've experienced both. We've experienced, I mean mean when i was a kid we didn't have fucking answering machines no i know right you just called and hoped they were home yeah and if they weren't home you never found them you you opened that door to your house you were a ghost you just got they had to trust you you were where you said you were you just went

places you do whatever you want you know. We're the last wild ones. That's what we are. We are the last. We're the last of the disconnected. We were disconnected, and then we became connected in the 1990s. That's a totally new experience for human beings, and we experienced both parts. We were the last humans to experience no internet, internet. No one else will ever experience that the only way

they'll experience that is if they don't have internet but the world has internet you know what i want to get back to what you said how long is the electricity down if we're attacked on the infrastructure that's what i want to know well we were talking about the internet but i'm with the internet but same thing but yeah like that's another issue, too. Oh, that's all they're going to blow is the internet? No, I mean, they could, but it would be. That was like the saddest attack. Like, wow. Well, EMP could take us out, too, which is just as scary and probably easier to accomplish.

That's what I want to know about, like, how long is the recovery time? Because I do feel like Putin's sitting back there, like. Well, I think what they're really worried about, other than Putin, is solar flares. They think solar flares have the real potential to take out the entire power grid. That's entirely possible. And life as we know it. Oh, that too, yeah.

Yeah, for sure. That's only one thing. Yellowstone's the big one. Ooh. That was like a stoner moment. We all just stopped. Do you know about the Caldera volcano in Yellowstone? Do you know about all that?

I do. That's the big one. I do. I'm not as worried about that, although I know it's bulging. Yeah. I think the northwest part is bulging or something. Well, it's just constantly having earthquakes. They've had thousands of earthquakes every year

for like the last five or six years. Thousands. They have thousands in a month sometimes. That, to me, is not worth worrying about because there's nothing we can do. Nothing. That is like, that, you might as well just, the what? I said they want to.

They want to dig a hole. No. They want to drill a hole and let some of the gas out. Well, wow. I applaud their, you know what I mean? Like a zit. Get up and go. They just want to like lance it.

Like where, you know. Yeah. They want to lance a zit and push some of the lava out. What's crazy is that that's happened to human civilization like many times over the course of history. Giant volcanoes blown up and killed everybody. Yeah. a bunch of that shit happened too yeah i'll be loving life because i'm small i think only the small things survive right you think so i think like shrews i don't know that's what they said about the um the what hit the yucatan is that we used to be like a mole like human beings they

if you trace the evolution of the human being, if you believe in that nonsense, today, if you go all the way back, we were like a mole. We were some kind of a mole. That was the only surviving. Yeah. Yeah, literally. 65 million years ago, human beings, our farthest mammal ancestor, is some sort of a mole that survived the Like a little The big hit

Yeah Like shrewish looking thing Yeah Yeah And cause all the Upper predators get wiped out So then they can thrive Because there's nothing

To eat them And they live in the ground So that these things Can live underground And survive Is that our future? Maybe We can end up like underground

See that's true Everyone thinks we're going to Mars But I think we're just Going to go underground We are going to go to Mars too though Some idiots Some poor fucks Are going to die on like underground? Everyone thinks we're going to Mars, but I think we're just going to go underground. We are going to go to Mars too, though. Some idiots. Some poor fucks are going to go to Mars. No, thank you.

No, thank you. Pass. Why do people want to do that? Because we can. Because it's one of those things. Go sit in like Badlands. That's what I'm saying. You're done.

Exactly. And you can come back and have pie. Yeah. It's dumb. Yeah. And then you have to bring water or have to go get it and melt it down. But you're there. Okay.

You're on Mars. Let's just say we're on Mars. What do we do? We're just terraforming? Cry. Cry. Wait for your body to stop working. Rock.

Yeah. What can you do? I mean, I just don't see the life there. Well, I think people want to be pioneers. And I think it's entirely possible that you're going to wind up going with some really crazy people, too. Yeah, right? Who wants to be a pioneer that isolated? Yeah.

Crazy pants, right? Yeah. See, I know a lady who lives in the Arctic Circle. She lives like 200 miles above the Arctic Circle. She's on that show Life Below Zero. You ever see that show? But she can come out when she wants. Of course.

She can come back. She flies back. She was in the studio. Not this one, the old one. But she was sitting right where you're sitting. Like, you know, she's a normal person. I can't even take a cruise. No?

No. But you were going to cruise in the Congo. Well, that's a river. But I can't take a cruise boat because I can't be isolated in the middle of the ocean with people I don't think are really on the ball. Like, I can't do it. I think that's where, like, the next plague starts, I think. Does happen sometimes. Yeah, they get the norovirus or whatever on a cruise ship.

And what if someone's just really into chucking people over the side? Like, that's your move. You just take a cruise and just wait. I like those people that survive that. I like the stories of the people that get— Who the fuck has ever survived getting chucked off the— They fall off a cruise ship and they get found. Who the fuck finds them?

They're in a shipping lane. They get found. Really? I love those stories. I've never heard those stories. I always thought you're fucked. Can you imagine? There's almost nothing that can fuck you worse than to fall off a cruise ship.

But these people, they survive it. You have to think of how long can you swim. Right. I mean, it's like 13 hours or I don't know. How long can you tread water? Well, you can tread water longer than that. I don't know. Sure you can.

I sink like a rock. You'll be hallucinating. Right. But you'll still be treading water. Your tissue will be tearing apart. What I heard one guy talk about was how he saw like he had the illusion of seeing boats come by and talk to him. And he like talked to people that were saying just hang on, hang on longer. It was all imaginary, like none of it was real.

But he was having like a full sort of trippy virtual reality experience with his hallucinations that kept him alive longer. They were like his subconscious. But they would come in his mind in vessels and like stop and talk to him, throw him something, motivate him. That's crazy. I guess you could get that if you go into one of those

sensory deprivation tanks or something. I have one. Oh, you do? I have one right over here. Shut up. Fuck yeah. Wow. Yeah.

Whoa. Do you do that regularly? Yeah. Do you have hallucinations yeah definitely what tell me um the the most extreme one i was in the jungle and um there was some people that were native to this place they were dressed in um western clothes though like t-shirts and shorts but they're barefoot which is often often the case, though, unfortunately. A lot of people that live in these indigenous villages, they wear like Under Armour shirts and shit that someone gets them. Somehow that gets down to them.

Missionaries maybe sometimes bring them. But they were speaking in a language that I understood, but it wasn't English. And I don't speak anything other than English. And when they were talking, i was listening to them i was amongst them and i was listening to them and they were speaking in this very different language and then i realized like holy shit i can understand their language but i realized that in english and then poof i popped out of the the spell like my freaking out about it brought me it was all like no no no don, no, don't go away. Don't go away. Ah, fuck.

It's like it was so extreme. I could smell the rain. I could feel the moisture in the air. I could see the leaves all around me. I could hear the sounds of the forest. And these people in the rainforest just hanging out talking this. It was totally uneventful. Nothing was happening. But they were talking in this language that i absolutely knew what they were saying they were going back and

forth and communicating and i was following the conversation in their language thinking in their language and then i realized it and i woke up how do you interpret that i think first of all i was tripping balls right's that. There's being in that tank. On what? I think it was edible pot. I've done a bunch of different things in the tank, but mostly it's edible pot. Pot edibles has a distinctly hallucinatory effect

at high doses, especially when you close your eyes and you're laying back and just letting visuals take place. Also, I think it's entirely possible that we have genetic memory. And I think it's entirely possible that there's certain things that people pass down to their children.

There's certain traits that my kids have that I watch in them. And I go, do you why are you so into this are you so into this because you just happen to be into this are you into this because you because i'm into this and somehow or another got into my genes and passed on to your little tiny body and now you're developing with this like hunger for certain certain types of activities so it's like literally in their cellular level of knowing. We don't know what's transferred. We don't know how much of like, people have certain instincts, right? People are afraid of spiders, afraid of snakes.

Why? Why is that? It's probably some memory. Probably somewhere along the line, some memory got transferred into your DNA. Well, the question is like how much gets in there? Until I told my nine-year-old daughter i i thought probably very little i was probably just like physical traits and that's it but her mind is so much like my mind like and especially her obsession with things i've never seen a little

kid so obsessed with things like this is me in a nine-year-old girl's body like this is fucking crazy and talking to people that have musical talent or people that have artistic talent and their children seem to have an aptitude for this like an unusual aptitude almost as if they're trying to re-remember it rather than learn it oh i like what you just said i like that switcheroo there i think there's something that gets trans i don't i don't know how much of it is readable data, but I think there's so much information that gets through your cells. And then I think the child is faced

with their own data, right? Their own life experiences, their own genetics, their own hormones, and all these different things that are happening around them. But I think underneath all that, it's entirely possible there remains some very, very distant memories,

which is why people survived as long as they did, because you could transfer some knowledge unto the kids. I think it's probably less today than before because the world's so safe. Everything's nerfed. You don't have to worry about getting eaten by leopards. It's a totally different environment we're living in. So less of it gets in there, but I think there's probably still somewhere in the operating system. If you went into DOS and started sneaking around, you'd find some weird code from different languages that you spoke 10,000 years ago. Or who knows?

Whatever life experience. Why are kids scared of monsters? That was another thing that they were talking about once in one of these things. They're scared of monsters because monsters used to be a real thing that you had to worry about because they ate people. Like cats, like leopards and jaguars and shit. Like that was a real problem. So little kids, they're not scared of bullets or, you know, they're scared of fucking monsters. That's what every little kid's scared of, the dark and monsters.

Because that's, in our genetic memory, probably some leftover shit from when we got eaten a lot. In trees. Yeah, trees, right? So falling and predation. Yeah, both. So is that what you think happened? Like that you kind of accessed a memory? Because I was going more with like the, what do you call it, collective unconscious.

Like you were seeing a present day thing in another part of the world. I doubt it. No. you're going back in your i think it was just imagination more than anything honestly if i had to be really honest i think it was imagination i think i just have a very vivid imagination and it's particularly when i was lit on some okay but there's i i've read a study where um if something really traumatic happens to the parent and i don't know if this is animals or whatever even if the baby animal is born after this thing is over this traumatic event they'll have a fear of that thing this that was very poorly articulated i think the pot's like gone through me no i know what you're saying i'm just like sort of i think i know what you're

talking about there was a study that they did with mice. And what they did with mice is they sprayed a citrus aroma inside the cage and then they electrocuted the feet of the mice. Their children, when they smelled, this is children that had not been electrocuted, when they smelled that citrus aroma, they had a heightened panic state. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it is.

Yeah. But that's, is that how they figured that out? Because that seems... I can explain that with normal science. That's easy, right? Because they'll have this sense. They'll smell that. Well, they never experienced the electrocution thing before.

They smelled the smell. Right, but the smell never gave them a heightened sense of awareness in mice. But the fetus would be shocked. Oh, you're saying they weren't pregnant. No, no, they weren't pregnant. Oh, this the smell never gave them a heightened sense of awareness in mice that weren't. But the fetus would be shocked. Oh, you're saying they weren't pregnant. Yeah. No, no, they weren't pregnant. Oh, this is before they're pregnant, so they're not even there. Right, exactly. Okay, so what explains that? Genetic memory. It's a

piece of evidence that points to genetic memory. But it's one of those things, it's like, if you don't understand, go back to DOS or C+, or something like that, some computer code. I don't understand it. If I read it, it's just gibberish to me. Or like those quantum physics guys that write all that stuff. That's just gibberish.

So we might be just getting that gibberish going. What is, what's going on here? No one knows, right? We don't know. One day maybe we'll be able to read that gibberish. But right now we know there's something getting passed down from these mice. So if the parent gets shocked because they smell that thing, and then the kids who have nothing to do with it,

they get shocked or they smell it and they think they're going to get shocked, something's being transferred to them. That's crazy. That means that we have components of our parents, like right now, we're reacting to stuff in our everyday life, our fears, our worries, our neuroses, possibly things that our parents experience. It's entirely possible that the neuroses of your parents is somehow or another transferred

into your body. Awesome. Whether or not you accept them as your own. Because I'm adopted, that means I have two sets of neuroses going at once. I wonder. I wonder. I'm doubling down on my neuroses. I wonder how much of what your adoptive parents gave you sticks.

What is this yahuda another studies authors uh was an early researcher of trauma trauma and heritability her research on holocaust survivors found that epigenetic changes not the genes themselves but how they are turned on and off by other molecules could be passed down to survivors children and change their stress hormones wow there's a what is that how does that express itself though not genes themselves passed down to survivors' children and changed their stress hormones. Wow. There's a bunch. Wait, what does that, how does that express itself, though? Not genes themselves, but how they are turned on and off. By other molecules.

Could be passed down. So they're going to be heightened, they're going to have a heightened sensitivity to threat, probably. Probably. They're going to have, like, a quicker response neurologically. Well, they say that about um children that are in the womb when their mother is under extreme stress or violence you could think they can sense that for sure there's no but what freaks me out is that the it's not even like a fetal baby that's reacting there's just like complete genetic material transference yeah

who knows i don't think we know enough. Future science. Yeah. That's what you're into. I'm way into future science. I wish we lived in the future. So that's where ghosts fit in? I think, I mean, future science, I think, I just think time, I think time is an illusion.

I think that I'm more, do you ever see Interstellar? Yes. I'm more in that zone. Hmm. That's smacked of good science to me. I was like, yes. So when you say time's an illusion, you mean like the watch is real? Like if it says 4.30, that's when the movie starts, right? That's all real.

No, that's just coordination. It's within our species. We're coordinating together. We're working as an ant colony. We're sending signals, which happen to be time signals. We're using math to coordinate. But if you go underwater and hold your breath for five minutes, that's real five minutes. No, that's just when you run out of oxygen.

So that five minutes, the counting of that time. Doesn't mean anything. Doesn't mean anything. Doesn't mean anything. No, doesn't mean anything. But if someone's five minutes late, you're like, bitch, you're five minutes late. You're like, no, this doesn't mean anything. Well, I'm never mad about that because I'm always late. Okay.

That's interesting. Well, the only time supposedly is now. And everything else is just our pathetic attempts at measuring it and trying to put it into a box. That's just coordination on like, you know, people. Like that's all we're doing. Like how old are you? You know, and then that just means how crispy you are from going around the sun. That's not like really anything.

Like a rotisserie. Yeah, you're like, sorry. Right, right. Skin crackling, you know, like it's just kind of that. And to me, like time like, sorry. Right, right. Skin crackling. It's just kind of that. And to me, time is just space. It's like how far are you away from this gravitational pull? I think gravity is way more interesting.

I think time is just us coordinating with math. Well, we definitely are, but it's also like when the sun's coming up. Like check your watch, 615, sun's coming up. That's a real thing. We're just clocking a spin of an earth. That's the same thing with the lungs underwater. The earth spins. I agree with you and disagree with you at the same time. Yeah, that's fine.

I think you're right, but I also think the fucking movie starts at 4.30. But that's another human putting on a movie. It's true. So you're just coordinating with, give me an example of time that is a manifest thing outside of human coordination. Well, you could. The oldest star...

And I don't mean like things happening. Right. I mean time. Just time itself. Like is that helpful in any way other than for us? I don't think it exists in the universe really. Well, if the universe had a Big Bang and that was a point where it started sorry what do you think i think we're looking at okay black holes you know say there's a train right we're at a We're at a depot. Okay. I love that word. Train depot. We're at a depot.

Like Home Depot or? A train depot. Okay. Okay. And there's like a giant butt of a train, right? Huge. I don't know. 20 feet tall, 18 feet wide.

Filled with that like, that feeling of like, oh my God, there's great mechanical power. And then it leaves the depot, but you're still there. You didn't get on it. Right. And it just travels in the distance into a tinier, tinier, tinier, tinier speck until it's just a little point until you can't see it anymore. Did the train shrink? No.

Okay. So when you see all this matter going into a black hole, is it really hitting a singularity? Are we really condensing matter to that extent? Or is it just condensing to a certain extent and traveling in the distance? Is it going somewhere? And that's why we perceive it as gone. Have you ever run this by an astrophysicist?

Then they break out the wormhole, but that's not the same thing. That's not what I'm saying. And I think the Big Bangs are the other end of that process. The under end of the process of coming out. That's a real thought. They think that, well, every galaxy has a supermassive black hole that's one half of 1% of the mass of the entire galaxy. So the larger the galaxy, the larger the supermassive black hole that's one half of 1% of the mass of the entire galaxy. So the larger the galaxy, the larger the supermassive black hole. The prevailing theory is that, or one of the prevailing theories, I should say,

inside every black hole may be another universe. It's entirely possible that there's another universe of hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with supermassive black holes in the center of them, and you go through that one, you go into, it's fractal. It just goes on forever and ever and ever. That's entirely possible. That's my philosophy. And I think the whole universe is spinning.

I think the whole thing is a spiral deal. I think they think that, don't they? And then within the spiral, you get the eddies, right, which are the galaxies and the irregularities and stuff. But the whole shebang is also spinning that multiverse idea is like legit scientists talk about that now that there might be infinite numbers of universes yes i agree with that that makes so much more sense well it makes some kind of look the people that go oh that's crazy but the universe is crazy it's crazy it's crazy that

you look out and you see forever. It's crazy. That's pretty fucking crazy. And when you look up, you're looking out. You're sitting on the side of a planet looking out. You're in the middle of the whole thing. You're in the middle of the soup of reality. But to think that that's crazy, but that's as crazy as it gets, like says who? Why wouldn't you think there's fucking infinite numbers of these things out there? That we're just a part of something that's so big. Like if you looked at all the zeros on that number, you wouldn't even be able to wrap your head around it you'd be like what what's a billion how many how many zeros is that how many billions is this how many

trillions is in a billion what there's no way that thing it's too much there's this enigma thing i love it so much and it's talking about it it has to do with why we haven't seen aliens yet the fermi paradox yes yeah i think that's it yeah the fermi paradox is like questioning why because there's so many different life i mean so many different planets that could potentially support life like if there's a hundred billion galaxies or hundreds of billion each one has hundreds of billions of stars how many of those have habitable planets and if if so why haven't they contacted us yeah and like the math is overwhelming that either we're the first or they kill all the comers or or that we're like or we turn inward

and go into the hyper world what's the turn inward and go into the hyper world. I need more pop for that. What's the turn inward? Wait, what's the turn inward? Turn inward is the idea that we all go virtual and that we become some sort of a symbiotic thing connected to this hive mind, this real electronic reality. I can't handle self-driving cars. I can't do that. You're going to have to.

I can't. No, I'm not. Am I? Yes, I am. God damn it. How could you not? Self-driving cars are real. They're here. And they suck right now. They'll kill a couple of people. That's insane. There's like five of them on the road and they've already killed someone. There's a lot of them on the road. Yeah, no. I feel extremely unsafe about that. I reject that with every fiber of my being. I drive my own car. Good for you. What kind of car do you drive?

Mercedes. Look at you, rich chick. Mm-mm. Down here partying. Hardly. No, we're getting deep. We're going deep. I think they'll get it down.

They'll get the autonomous car down. The real problem is going to be the thrill and the excitement of freedom. Just getting in your car, turning the key, and just going. I'm good, dude. You can't do that anymore. That's going to be a real thing. That's going to be one day. No.

I mean, that feels extremely threatening as an American. I feel like America, to me, is about about big long roads and freedom. Go where I want, when I want kind of thing. Yeah. And if you've got the goods, you can start a business there or whatever it is. That to me is America. I don't want to be locked into little channels going all 20 miles an hour. You know, like I need.

You want to be able to accelerate. I consider driving kind of an art form. It's kind of an art thing. It's kind of an art thing. It's like a sport. You need an activity. And I don't want to relinquish that to be like a thing on a factory line. Well, you might get lucky and die before it becomes mandatory. No, no, no.

No, no, no, no, no. That doesn't dovetail nicely with my idea that they're going to discover something that lets me live 500 years because I've decided that's the exact perfect lifespan for me. 500? For me, personally. Not for everyone. Would you think that you'll still be getting after it when you're like 450 years old? They'll have hormones for that.

They'll have things. Everything. Yeah, they'll have everything for that. Have you juiced up, locked down? Your physical envelope will be okay. It's the psychology. Can you not go mad? You might go mad.

Well. It depends on if. Can you not go mad? You might go mad. It depends on if everyone else is living 500 years. We've had this conversation before we were talking about if you found out that you were going to live this life over again every time,

like infinitely, would you be able to handle it? No. But why? You handle it now. You're living right now. It's just going to be the same thing.

Would you know? Would you be conscious that this was your 15th time? You take someone's word for it back to the matrix neo's come back like five times he still can't get it right right but if someone came up to you right now and said liz i'm going to give you the reality of existence the reality of existence is you will do this life an infinite number of times until you get it right. And you're never going to get it right. So you're just going to keep living this life over and over again, hopefully fucking up less and less each time. But most likely you're going to still fuck up and you're just going to keep doing the

same thing. You'd be like, no fucking way. But if someone says, do you want to end your life right now? You'd be like, no, I love my life. When you were on that plane and your whole body was shaking, you're like, I want to stay alive. I don't want to die. So why don't you want to stay alive

and just keep doing it over and over and over and over? Well, is there transcendence? Is there a goal? If there's a goal, I can get with it. So transcendence meaning we evolve. Groundhog's Day. You know that wonderful movie? Yes.

Love that movie. Great movie. Stop it. I love that movie. It's like top 10 for me. Okay. You got to watch some other movies then. I love dumb

90s, 80s movies. I like a lot of them too. It's a genre that I really like. I mean, like Blues Brothers might be top five easily for me.

Christmas Vacation is a good movie. I haven't seen that one, but yes, you're feeling me. Okay, so if there's something that you evolve into,

I can live my life over many times and strive to be better at it, but if there's no point to it into, I can live my life over many times and strive to be better at it. But if there's no point to it all and I just have to keep living over and over and going to high school again and again and again, no. Well, don't you think that human beings overall are evolving? Yes. I think so. I think even besides, I think even our trials and tribulations and the things that go sideways, they reveal sideways as an option to us and gets us back on track. I have an expression that my mother loves onward and sideways.

That's good. That's good. Kind of gets you up in the morning when you're like, I can't do it anymore. Um, I like that. And I like the idea of I'm very into, as we sort of evolve.

Speaking of UFO conferences, I was driven in the back of Rick Rubin's Bentley. When I first moved to L.A., my friend Nora was friends with him and he drove us to a UFO conference. And I just remember sitting in the back of this huge Bentley and he wouldn't talk to me at all. Bentley and he wouldn't talk to me at all. Like I was like not of interest enough to, I kept sort of poking my head up to the front seat to like try to contribute to the conversation. And he just didn't want to talk? No, he just like ignored everything I said.

And they were talking about the evolution of human consciousness at this crazy UFO conference. It was pretty funny. It was very organized. It was just like any like NAMM or something. It was like anything. Yeah. They have some good was just like any, like, NAMM or something. It was like anything. Yeah. They have some good ones.

You know, there's a business in it, though. The real issue with all the UFO stuff is that there's a business, is that you get to a point where people realize you could make a lot of profit if you just start talking about UFOs or talking about extraterrestrial invaders that are inevitably coming and when. And then everything gets murky, you know? It gets real murky. It's like, who's being-

You mean when science and- Yeah. When you need to prove something? The bullshit artists. It's just, it's not always pure, you know? Like, there's some people that look at it and that are, like, real researchers. Like, there's a bunch of them that try to figure out what the fuck is going on. And they make a lot of sense, you know, and they're trying to figure it out.

But they don't they don't point to anything in particular and say this, this little fetus, this is an alien baby. And we're going to use genes to prove it. Like, you know, they found that little baby with the big head, just a baby, just a deformed baby. But what they're really looking for is aerial phenomenon, right? That's aerial phenomenon is one. one, but the problem is phenomena. Phenomena. Phenomena. The problem is we don't know whose stuff that is, right?

If it's ours that's flying around, they don't tell you about it. If it's some drones that the government's working on. But if they've got that kind of maneuverability, why aren't't they using it what kind of maneuverability are you convinced they have uh they can move great speeds at odd angles is what i understand yeah i don't see i've i mean they couldn't get well here's the thing they couldn't get here unless they were able to actually like tesseract what is that word tesseract from Wrinkle in Time you would have read it it was like a girl book

it's out now right it's a movie right I haven't seen the movie but nice plug get my box set so they fold they fold time did you see Event Horizon no but I'm sure I'm familiar with that great fucking movie scary space So they fold. They fold time. Did you see Event Horizon? Did you see that movie? No, but I'm sure I'm familiar with that.

Great fucking movie. Scary space movie with, who's in that movie? Lawrence Fishburne and a bunch of other people. Sam, the guy from Jurassic Park, the English gentleman. Damn it. I want to say Harris, but that's not his name. Wait, the older guy? The grandfather?

No, the one who was... Sam Neill. Sam Neill. He was like one of the scientists, one of the top scientists that went there with Laura Dern. He was like Laura Dern's boyfriend. He's English? Yes. Pretty sure.

There he is. There's the gentleman. That's the event horizon. He has an English accent? Yeah, doesn't he? Maybe he's just so proper. I think he's English. I think he's English. That's the Event Horizon. He has an English accent? Yeah, doesn't he? Maybe he's just so proper. I think he's English. I think he's English. That'll blow my mind. That movie's

badass, though. It's one of the best horror slash science fiction movies ever. They combined, like, a demonic movie with space. It was demons in space. Okay, I like this. So the aliens are actually demons? Sort of.

They punch through a wormhole in order to travel this far. And when they did, they opened up a passage to hell. Don't penetrate the dimensions. Dum, dum, dum. Don't paint. Well, hell being what we would do to extraterrestrials. I mean, think about who we are to an alien civilization. Let's just say they're peaceful.

I mean, imagine us, although we'd probably be, like, so evolutionarily backward. Right. It would probably be like if we had a giant hamster wheel and we visited a crazy group of armed chimps. We'd be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, slow the fuck down. Right. You know? They probably would be really aware that we're super violent. We would shoot at them and shit.

They probably would do something to slow that down. Okay, now I'm officially high. I can feel it. It just happened to me. No, there's no doubt, right? So, okay. Have you ever been to one of my concerts? No.

Does that bum you out? No, not at all. I was going to ask you because I was assuming it was pretty early on. I'm going out. I'm plugging myself now, but I'm going out and I'm playing all these songs that I haven't played ever really live that I wrote. Grab that microphone. Sorry.

That's all right. People at home are screaming at me right now. Stay with me. I'm going to whisper. When are you performing out here? Soon? I will be. Like eight shows.

It'll come and go. Kind of like a shooting star through the sky. Will you let out here soon? I will be. Like eight shows. It'll come and go. Kind of like a shooting star through the sky. Will you let me know when? When are you going to be here? It's happening now. Joe, get down here. Sure. June.

Okay. I'm in. But it's kind of an interesting thing if you play stuff that is from from a really long time ago and it was pretty rudimentary on stage can you trick it out with a bass

can you trick it out with drums can you go back and like reinvent your early work do you think that that would be like would that upset

an old fan you mean if an old fan wanted to hear it the way it was? Uh-huh. Right. Like if you had an acoustic version.

Do they want me to just exactly hit exactly how I played it? Probably, right? Hmm. I don't think that you can leave that up to vote. Because I was thinking it would help my voice to be a stoner since I was a stoner back then. It would help? So you're thinking about getting into being a stoner now? I might.

You make a good stoner. Sitting around talking about black holes and shit. Yeah, I do. It's perfect. Ghosts, you believe in ghosts? I like all that shit sober, though. Yeah. That's the scary part.

Well, I think most people do. I don't think most people that are watching those ghost shows are high. No, yeah. The internet is like the paranormal. Yeah. Library. Things that people are curious about and they're fun. Like if ghosts were real, it'd be fun.

It'd be awesome. You know? It wouldn't be fun if they weren't real. It'd be like, oh, you mean all those shows were bullshit? Have you never been scared? You've never been scared by ghosts. You've never actually like even thought. I've definitely been scared.

I never thought. But by humans or animals? No, I've been through the comedy store, which has been apparently a bunch of people got murdered there. When Bugsy Siegel owned it, it used to be Ciro's nightclub. And a lot of people that worked there apparently have seen ghosts. Like even my friends

told me they've seen ghosts. You don't believe them? I don't know. What did they say? They said they saw ghosts. Maybe they were telling the truth. Like a human look? I've never seen an actual human apparition. Some have told me they saw ghosts. I mean, maybe they were telling the truth. Like a human look? I've never seen an actual human apparition. Some have told me they were grabbed. Carl LeBeau said he was grabbed and dragged. He was in a dark room.

No. And something grabbed him and dragged him on the ground. And then ran through the place and slammed the door outside. You're kidding. That's what he said. Could it have been a person? Could have been, for sure. People are real.

You know, it's more likely a person. He's in a pitch black room. It might have been one person? Could have been, for sure. People are real. It's more likely a person. He's in a pitch black room. It might have been one of his asshole friends. Decided to grab him because he's probably drunk off his ass. Yeah. Laying down there like, I think he got in a fight with his wife or something like that. Went to the comedy store. He's like, fuck this.

I'm going to lie here. I'm going to make it. I'm going to be a big man. And then something came into the room. He tells the whole story on stage. It's really kind of interesting the way he tells it because he's very dramatic and goes through the whole detail of it. But I've talked to several waitstaff, waitresses, managers that have seen Ghost there,

comics that have seen Ghost there. But again, people are full of shit, right? You get 100 people, one of them is a fucking moron, and that one out of 100 might tell you some goofy-ass fucking story because they want to be special. But what happened to you that made you scared? Oh, normal stuff.

Just being in the dark. You just freaked out to be there. I'm more scared of animals than I am anything else. The real things, you know, I'm scared of real shit. You ever seen a moose? Oh yeah.

Those things are huge. They're giant. I've shot a moose. I stumbled. You shot a moose i stumbled you shot a moose yeah did you kill him the first time yeah good for you i ate it good for you yeah that's true hunting yeah well it's the way to do it they're fucking huge they're like um they don't even look like a real animal the first time i saw one in uh british columbia it looked like it was like a scene from jurassic park we pulled this we pulled the car over and we rolled the windows down.

We're like, what the fuck? Look at that thing. They're so big. I think I could walk under it and clear. You might be able to. I really think like their legs are, you know. A little duck maybe at the worst. They're so big, it doesn't even make sense.

Like you feel like you could drive a car under them. Yeah. Yeah. They're enormous. They're the redwood car under them. Yeah. Yeah. They're enormous. They're the redwoods of deer. Yeah. Crazy animal. Grows giant doors on its head every year, and then they fall off after they're done breeding.

The horns fall off, and then they regrow again. Did you have to wait for a long time to get it? Yeah. We were there for like five days. We got it on the fifth day, the fourth or the fifth day. Yeah. Same animal? You saw it? No, no. there for like five days. We got it on the fifth day, the fourth or the fifth day. Yeah. Same animal? You saw it? No, no, we didn't see one. There's a lot of wolves up there. Are you allowed

to shoot the wolves? Yeah, they try to get you to kill as many as you can. I don't want to. But if you're up there, they give you an unlimited tag for wolves. You can shoot 30 wolves, but you won't. You'll never get 30 of them. They're smart as shit. But we did come across a baby moose that got eaten by a wolf it's crazy a pack of wolves there's hair everywhere that was the most surprising thing it's just fucking hair i didn't think there would be

hair everywhere but i'm like of course they're gonna kill this thing they have to chew off the hair oh yeah spit it out like every meal every meal an animal eats has like all this crap like there's no one preparing it. There are no knives and forks. You see that in their shit too. See ropes of hair in their shit. Dude, gross. Yeah.

They don't just eat the meat like nice and clean, like a bowl and chopped up meat. No, they're eating the hair, everything. Yeah. I used to look at those like wild horse videos where they would show that pack of wild horses and I would try to think like, is it better, maybe it's better to be like stabled and in a clean with nice, you know,

sawdust or whatever in your pen. Like maybe it's not so bad to be a kept animal. I'm not sure I'd like to be a wild horse. I mean, it seems really romantic, but would it really be fun? It's a great Rolling Stone song. I think what it is

is they're not the same thing that they used to be. They're not the same thing. You're right. They've been domesticated for so long that it's not even the same animal, really. Especially with that genetic memory thing you're talking about. Do you know what a scrub bull is? Ever heard of that expression? Scrub bull.

Scrub bulls are wild domestic cattle. Domestic cattle that's broken down barriers and gone wild and has lived in the wild for several generations. It changes their form. They look different. They're much more muscular. They're freaky looking, multicolored sometimes. They've grown giant antlers or giant horns, rather.

And Australia has a real issue with them. And they're super, super aggressive. When you think about bull riding, people ride bulls and bulls go fucking crazy. That's what a bull does. Bulls are ruthless motherfuckers. They're just out there trying to have sex with cows, and anything that gets anywhere near them, they'll fuck up because they're giant. So these things just roam wild, and they're a different animal now, and people hunt them.

It's very strange. That's a different animal now and people hunt them it's very strange that is a that's a wild animal these horses are still the same form as when people domesticated them they just got loose and so they're just running around trying to find something to eat they're not real wild wild their wild horses are not native to north america oh wild horses yeah they were brought into north america the native Native Americans did not have horses. We brought them in from Europe. I did not know that. Yeah.

Well, what's crazy is horses originated in North America many, many eons ago, but then died off in North America but prospered overseas in different places, like possibly went across the Bay of China, landmash, and all these different places where horses evolved and became zebras and all these other different animals. And then the Europeans brought the horse back to North America. But the horse originated in North America, but

then died off. So these wild horses, they're just domestic horses that got free. So it is kind of shitty for them. Yeah, it's kind of shitty. They don't really, they probably, if you see a really well taken care of horse, they don't seem to mind it. Like if there's a place up here that has a stable and people ride their horses, people come by and pet the horses, the horses seem so chill. They don't seem to mind it at all. Like if it's a loved horse and they're taken care of and, you know, they're just treated well and fed well. It doesn't seem to mind.

How do they not mind that hugely heavy saddle and that hugely heavy human being? It's only hugely heavy to you. Those things are so heavy. The amount of power that a horse has. What does a big horse weigh? A lot. 1,000 pounds? 2,000 pounds?

It's like, you remember when your son was really little, you put him on your shoulders, didn't really bother you. I think that's what it's like. And then think of the mass that a horse carries around, just the bone structure and the muscle, this fucking thing that can jump over huge stacks of logs with a person on its back. That is pretty incredible.

They're insane. So what we are, if we had to carry a person around, yeah, that would fucking suck. Yeah, because we got squishy discs in our back and our muscles give out and we cramp up and, you know, we're wearing stupid fucking shoes and like a horse can carry a person for a long time. I just, I feel a little bad for them. Yeah.

They probably shouldn't do it when they're tired. Have you ever saddled a horse? I don't ride horses. No. You have to pull this strap like really tightly around their barrel chest, right?

Yeah. Because they do this thing where they, when they can tell that you're saddling them, they like stick their bellies out. Oh, to try to get themselves

some space? Yeah. So that when you let go, they can go like this and they're more comfortable. So you literally have to like yank this thing and you're like on them. Otherwise, you'll start to slip when you're riding. You'll just start to fall like slowly to the side. That sounds smart.

Well, I mean, it sucks. That's why they're always farting when you're on the trail. Oh, do they? I thought they just fart all the time anyway. I think they probably do do I just made that up I don't want it to sound like I didn't want to start off You're squeezing them down with the straps But they spook like if they saw a wolf they'd go nuts

Oh yeah They spook at a garbage can Do you know that's why cowboy boots are made that way? No Where your feet go in them loose and then they have the heel All that is so that the heel slides on that thing that your foot sticks in What's that thing called? Stirrup Stirrup Your foot slides in and locks on that stirrup with the heel, all that is so that the heel slides on that thing that your foot sticks in. What's that thing called? Stirrup. Stirrup. Your foot slides in and locks on that stirrup with the heel

and then if you get knocked off, the shoe just comes off. You don't get dragged. If you have hiking boots on with 17 eye holes and you get that bitch tied down and laced in and you shove them

into those stirrups if that fucking horse starts bucking and you get knocked loose you're gonna get dragged and kicked to death. You're gonna be hanging on by your foot

it's gonna be stomping on your head as you're running around you're gonna bounce you off rocks and shit but if you're in one of them cowboy boots your feet just come right out.

I am now only gonna wear cowboy boots. If you're riding a horse you should only wear cowboy boots. If you're riding a horse, you should only wear cowboy boots. I haven't been. But that's why they're so slippery. That's why they come right off, too. They're goofy. It's smart. It is for horse riding.

But people that don't get that and try to wear big-ass fucking mountaineering boots and ride a horse, you're fucked, man. I don't think anyone can fit a big-ass mountaineering boots and ride a horse. Like you're fucked, man. I don't think anyone can fit a big ass mountaineering boot in his truck. They try. This is a real issue with people that go mountain hunting. I always thought cowboy boots were for snakes.

That's why they were like so thick. I bet that that's it too. I bet that's a factor too. That they had to go up high enough so that a strike wouldn't get you. Yeah. That makes sense. That's probably a factor too. But there's definitely a factor

like the way the heel is constructed is that your stirrup sits right in the heel and the way your foot just comes right off. And the way the toe goes up, it would just stay in the stirrup. Yeah, exactly. Like you'd go flying. Exactly.

What? Exactly. It's really smart, right? With the pointy tips. It is really smart. The tips, you get stuck up there, your foot goes flying out and you're done.

I know. That was very vivid now that I'm high like to imagine my head bouncing along the trail behind the horse. Bang. No. Back your head, cracking off rocks. Trying to stay conscious, grabbing your head. Your hand gets smashed on the rocks next.

You can't grab anything. You're just a rag doll. Fuck. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You're awfully silent over there. Does he ever? He talks. Fuck Yeah Exactly Exactly You're awfully silent over there Does he ever He talks

All the time He's a good talker Really? Yeah Jamie's a smart guy But we can wrap this up If you'd like She had to be out of here I thought

Yeah 2.45 Oh shit She should probably get out of here That did Just whiz by Did you drive no

no someone getting you okay um when can people find out where you're playing and when you're playing live what's the best way

is it your website yes lizfair.com okay I think I don't actually know people find it Go look for it

And your collection is I think they're sold out Is it really? The show The show is yeah Damn look at you That went exceedingly fast And I was terrified by it

I had like a complete breakdown And couldn't be on Twitter For three days Because I was so shocked Why? At how fast they went Did you get nervous? I don't know.

It just, it became very real very fast. Whoa. When the box set's coming out, I think it's May 4th, which may the 4th

be with you. Okay. And also with you. I'm very excited about that. Awesome. I'm going to buy it. It's like a compendium.

It's like, it's my origin story, basically. Right. You wrap going to buy it. It's like a compendium. It's my origin story, basically. Right. You wrap this up, and if I kick the bucket, we're good. We know where I came from. It's all collected in beautiful packaging. Super cool. Liz Fair, this was a lot of fun. I really appreciate it. This was a really lot of fun.

I really enjoyed it. This is the best. Let's make all interviews like this. I wish you could. Alright, thank you very much. Liz Fair, ladies and gentlemen. Bye, everybody. I really enjoyed it. This is the best. Let's make all interviews like this. I wish you could. All right. Thank you very much. Liz Fair, ladies and gentlemen. Bye, everybody. I love. That's fine.

It really does. That's great.